Metza Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
11	The “Nice guy” is a loser to most men. Literally what people mean by "fragile masculinity." Not all masculinity is fragile, but if you're constantly on high alert because you are threatened by the mere existence of other men... masculinity is pretty fragile	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 04:53 AM
11	The “Nice guy” is a loser to most men. It's sad how narrow you see your value to be, if what you expect of "protection" is just physically warding off atrackers. Maybe I can't fight some big angry gorilla of a man, and maybe I'm not always sizing people up and trying to be the alpha in conversations, but that doesn't make me incapable of protecting people I care about. I worked bars for years. I've had all kinds of crazies get in my face. Never once let things get out of hand. Never once even thought about throwing a punch. Never onc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 04:51 AM
9	The “Nice guy” is a loser to most men. Yea, the dude just has social anxiety but is making it out to be some super special MAN ANXIETY AKA SURVIVAL MODE because... what? Is he afraid of getting murdered in the street? Living is constant fear isn't alpha. It's pathetic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 04:41 AM
48	A failure of this, and similar subs is that the majority of people attempting to provide advice are women I'm a guy. And you're 100% wrong here. But I understand where you're coming from. I actually do think that there are things that lots of women don't understand about being a man. But that's totally fine and doesn't invalidate this as a potentially helpful space. If the trp is about centering a male experience, then going extrp means learning to accept a non-male perspective on things as being equally valid. There are also things you might not realize about being a man, e.g., how you affect the s…	/r/ExRedPill	24/04/24 06:18 AM
8	Where have all the good men gone? High crime area = place where poor people live who can't afford luxury apartments	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 01:45 AM
2	Online dating for women is just f*cking ridiculous Even if all men did oral and foreplay their selection criteria would still be exactly the same. I doubt it. If men were, as a whole, more respectful of women's pleasure (which also means less likely to be creepy/violent) then women wouldn't need to be as choosy about their criteria. They could compromise more and still have a great time. But let's just accept your framing for sake of argument. You have selection criteria as well, and probably no less restrictive. But you are willing to compromis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/22 10:22 PM
2	Online dating for women is just f*cking ridiculous You're trying to create a standard of equivalence that doesn't work. There is no preloaded "genetic" standard for sexual satisfaction where men and women can be objectively compared. The problem is that because women were sexual property for thousands of years we have defined sexual intercourse in such a way that it creates a differential in sexual satisfaction. In other words, when sexual contact is defined primarily in terms of penatrative genital intercourse and everything else is "extra" the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/22 09:41 PM
2	Online dating for women is just f*cking ridiculous I don't understand your obstinace. The standard is the same: sexual satisfaction. Women are pickier ecause experience has shown them that many men are not able to meet that standard, in large part because lots of men prioritize their own sexual satisfaction. Women don't require "more," they require different. You are judging women by your own standards and then acting indignant when that doesn't cut it. If you define the baseline of sexual satisfaction as being "orgasm from penetrative intercour…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/22 09:07 PM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Nobody is saying they aren't athletic and fit. The statues of goddesses were, incidentally, quite fit. But nobody was denying that. And Obviously today bodies that are healthy and well proportioned are seen as more attractive than sickly bodies. As I've said repeatedly, the point is not about fitness but that the Greek beauty ideal was not at all about bulk and muscle. It's about grace and proportion and self-posession. The most common epithet of Achilles, best of the Greeks, is "swift footed'. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/22 05:26 AM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Ehhh it very much depends. Zeus of Smyrna is not super muscular. Nor is the Dorypharos of Polykleitos which is one of the more important classical sculptures (Dorypharos is a spear-thrower). And the famous athletic sculpture of the Discus Thrower is relatively lean. Power was way less important that you'd think, and never emphasized above proportion. If you read Greek works on aesthetics, you will find its all about ratio, harmony, and balance. Generally there will be muscles (although often not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 09:35 PM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline You do realize the comment you were originally responding to was talking about body-building as a perversion of masculine beauty. You then brought up that classical sculptures contradicted this PoV because they were muscular. My response to you was that the ancient Greeks valued balance and proportion, not muscle mass like bodybuilders do. Most Greek sculptures are relatively lean, with well defined muscles. They had runner's bodies, not body builder bodies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 07:37 PM
2	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Ehh this is actually not quite true of Greek male beauty. Of course muscular was preferred, but it was all about balance and proportion. They also valued youthfulness and even burly Heracles statues have youthful features. But they absolutely found bulging muscles to be grotesque.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/22 11:54 PM
7	Most of what women here consider "unrealistic porn sex" is just passionate sex, they just aren't passionate about their boyfriends Bro what. Passion has nothing to do with how many holes are available. Kind of seems like you are absolutely porn sick. My partner and I have passionate sex sometimes in missionary and sometimes in other positions. The passion has nothing to do with the quantity of holes. It's usually only the one. She has a firm lack of interest in anal. Blowjobs are an occasional treat but never expected. Sex is not about scoring passion points by "sacrificing holes" but a conversation between desires.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/22 06:03 AM
16	What is so bad about Female Dating Strategy's teachings? As a guy whose parents divorced quite amicably, it was and, 15 years, still is not a neutral thing. It literally sucked for everyone. Giving your life to someone and then needing to start over is shitty pretty much no matter how you slice it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/21 03:51 AM
1	Men Mistake Being A Passive Doormat As Being Nice Then Claim Women Don’t Want Nice Guys. I think you're fundamentally missing the point of what I'm saying. Bad men aren't more successful than good men, you are just defining good and bad men in such a way that confirms your own biases. If bad men are successful with women, then anyone who is not successful with women must be a good man. Thus men who consistently get rejected get rejected for their virtue. You are defining your terms in such a way that make your conclusion a tautology. Bravo for them. Guess what? It doesn't matter how…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/21 11:20 PM
1	Men Mistake Being A Passive Doormat As Being Nice Then Claim Women Don’t Want Nice Guys. So in other words, bad men "doing better" is absolutely true to the point where it can't even be challenged but neither can you defend it? It's really not that self-evident. Maybe when you're young (like under 25) it seems that way, and maybe bad men get laid more because it's the kind of thing that matters more to them. But I think the real bias here is that people compensate for rejection by turning it into a virtue. Thus "good" or "nice" men are that category of men that can't get dates, wher…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/21 09:18 PM
4	Men Mistake Being A Passive Doormat As Being Nice Then Claim Women Don’t Want Nice Guys. I mean, when women says "you're a nice guy but I don't want to date you" they're not saying "I don't want to date you because you're too nice." They're just trying to soften the blow of rejection	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/21 03:26 PM
2	When is "put out or get out" appropriate? Ah sorry. A category error means that your analysis is more or less correct, but that you apply it to the wrong object. So in this case, the issue in these relationships is not sex per se, but a breakdown of intimacy becuase of the refusal to even acknowledge your desires. I think the issue in the second example is not actually about sex, it's about how you felt taken advantage of. You are right in wanting a sexually satisfying relationship, but it's becuase a sexually satisfying relationship is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/21 07:25 PM
5	When is "put out or get out" appropriate? I wouldn't consider myself on a radfem/fds "side" in part because I think that radical feminism is far more diverse than what is represented by stuff like FDS, and in part because I'm a man and to me feminism is something I read and learn about and not something that I am. Sorry this is really long. You wanted a perspective, so I am giving you mine, but as applied to the examples and situations you described. I think that the emotional undercurrents of your argument are completely valid and touc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/21 05:23 AM
1	Most men here find this average woman attractive and would date her, most women here do not find this average man attractive and would not date him This same OP has posted this same thing multiple times today with slight variation and different pictures and has been shot down in every thread. It's like he only believes what his own prejudice wants him to see, and then wonders why nobody likes him	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/21 12:12 AM
1	Dear females, you're not entitled to anything Please enlighten me. I'm trying to understand how the fact that rights only exist if they are enforced at all refutes women's right to safety from abuse. You challenge the argument from precisely the same position of safety you claim behind your computer screen. And what's your endgame? Safety from the harm that women have caused? And aren't I, in having this discussion, enforcing precisely the right to safety by asserting and defending it? Overt physical violence is only one part of enforcement…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 08:03 PM
11	Guy on the left will help with household chores, comfort you, listen, nurse you when sick, and is loyal and loving...guy on the right will cheat, gaslight, abuse you but is really exciting and the best sex you'll ever have, who do you pick? It's not the person, it's the photo. The level of stylization and editing, the pose/energy, etc. There are definitely some more normal photos of this guy, and he would likely be attractive irl, but the whole setup here is strange and homoerotic and somewhat uncanny. It's like a man thought about what kind of man women would like to fuck, and created this fantasy of the perfect sexy man. Except that it's his fantasy and his perfect sexy man, and the uncanny bit is that nobody can tell, even op, i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 07:13 PM
23	Guy on the left will help with household chores, comfort you, listen, nurse you when sick, and is loyal and loving...guy on the right will cheat, gaslight, abuse you but is really exciting and the best sex you'll ever have, who do you pick? Yes. The same OP made both of them. My point is that his idea of a "really sexy man" is really homoerotic and a male fantasy of men, and not actually what women want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 05:39 PM
3	Dear females, you're not entitled to anything The problem is that the point is completely incoherent and doesn't stand to even the slightest scrutiny. Just because your rights can be violated does not mean you don't have rights. Just because you might be attacked in the street doesn't mean you are not entitled to safety. If I steal your car, is it therefore my car? Are you no longer entitled to it? From a social constructionist perspective like the one you were espousing, it is the legal apparatus that entitles you. If someone attacks you o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 04:47 PM
3	Dear females, you're not entitled to anything Okay? And we live in a society and therefore have rights and entitlements. What's your point again?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 04:36 PM
6	Dear females, you're not entitled to anything I don't think you understand how rights or entitlements work, either legally or philosophically. Under your interpretation, what exactly ARE our rights or entitlements? Becuase your definition right now seems to suggest that we have no rights outside of enforcement. But if that's true then the idea of rights collapses into enforcement and, because safety is enforced, we one again are entitled to it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 04:31 PM
6	Dear females, you're not entitled to anything Isn't that precisely because they are entitled to it? The government enforces safety because it believes its citizens are entitled to it. Entitled doesn't mean "actually have" but "have the right to"	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 04:23 PM
91	Guy on the left will help with household chores, comfort you, listen, nurse you when sick, and is loyal and loving...guy on the right will cheat, gaslight, abuse you but is really exciting and the best sex you'll ever have, who do you pick? This is some next level homoerotic shit. This reeks of a man who has no idea what women find attractive and just indulging in his own gay fantasy. Left is a totally normal guy. I literally know lots of guys who look like this who are in fulfilling relationships, probably becuase they aren't erotically fixated in 'hot guys' and just live their lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/21 04:19 PM
1	Important question: how is guy supposed to be like to be considered GOOD ENOUGH to date? You'd have to be blind not to see it.	/r/ExRedPill	24/09/21 03:05 PM
1	Important question: how is guy supposed to be like to be considered GOOD ENOUGH to date? You can recognize that people don't find you attractive without resenting that fact. I don't know why you are still construing this as a sufficient condition. OP expressed a degree of resentment that caused him to give up on even trying. He was so convinced he wouldn't get a date, he decided to self-isolate in order to preempt what he thought was an inevitable conclusion. My point was that this kind of resentment ensures exactly the kind of isolation; the attitude predicts and then actualizes it…	/r/ExRedPill	24/09/21 05:27 AM
0	Important question: how is guy supposed to be like to be considered GOOD ENOUGH to date? This is like blaming the dentist because he didn't fix your vision. My statement was that resigning oneself to an echo chamber of resentment, then isolation becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you hate yourself and are resentful of everyone around you, then that's not going to generally make you an attractive partner. It's a generally necessary but not sufficient condition. It's not a porn ad promising horny singles. But getting out of the punishing cycle of resentment is a pretty damn good s…	/r/ExRedPill	24/09/21 05:08 AM
7	Important question: how is guy supposed to be like to be considered GOOD ENOUGH to date? Me self isolating at home socially is just a preemptive strike to save my non existing self esteem from dying compeletely. This becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don't find yourself worthy of dating, nobody is going to find that worth for you. Otherwise what value are you bringing to the table? But value isn't just money and sex. You are the value and you have to find it in yourself. I'm not going to say that what you're seeing is a myth, but it does have a context. Dating culture fucki…	/r/ExRedPill	23/09/21 04:46 AM
0	Either die a virgin or live long enough to be labeled a predator If anything, I'd say my argument is more of an ad hominem. If you're going to skirt anyone challenging your point of view by yelling out logical fallacies, you should at least get them right. Let's get this straight: You think that only "career SJWs" couch arguments in terms of cultural context. But then think that women are a "passive gender" who have everything easy and that it's what... some giant conspiracy against men? And you think you can prove this with a pithy remark about how the equiv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/21 05:25 AM
0	Either die a virgin or live long enough to be labeled a predator You struggle with reading. Becuase my response was precisely that the only reason he is put in blast is for clout, and that the real conversation is not about how Norm hit on someone a little aggressively. But I shouldn't be surprised at your response since the rest of the comment is just uncritical claptrap about how women only like bad boys or whatever. Yes aggressive people get laid more becuase they are aggressive. But they also risk putting people in uncomfortable or traumatic situations. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/21 02:47 AM
1	Either die a virgin or live long enough to be labeled a predator I don't get this. If he was sexually predatory then yes, we should talk about it. There's plenty of need for conversation about the casual misogyny of comedy culture. Talking about how he hit on someone in a way that the recipient felt uncomfortable is a conversation that can be had. But we need nuance. The sorts of structural feminism from which the discourse on rape culture comes is at odds with this application in which it is individuals are made the sole responsible actors. The problem is th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/21 08:50 PM
4	An Ex-MGTOW, and I wish you all the best. A quick sharing of what I've been through. I think the recognition that women are people that also have real deep issues is really where a lot of TRP folks go wrong. They create this dramatic persona of Woman as the enemy to be hated and conquered, when really it's just an inverted projection of one's own fears (it's not that I am inadequate/lacking, it's that SHE is trying to castrate me and I have to prove I still have the biggest dick/am man enough). It's really the small things that can break that down. The little moments of fragilit…	/r/ExRedPill	25/06/21 04:35 AM