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Yes, unfortunately most comments appear to be produced by robots that automatically promote one opinion/theme/position regardless of what the original post is. The post may not be the best in terms of being clear, concise or persuasive, but the responses are mostly irrelevant, extremely simplistic or don't address the central issues in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:40 AM
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Good response.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:55 AM
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I don't know that the 'happy relationship' qualifier would matter all that much. I've had numerous good LTRs and have been happily married a long time. I think the point of the string above is that plenty of people have realized that some of the 'red pill' interpretations are valid as a result of experience (personal and observed). Even the men and women that I know who are in relatively good situations regarding relationships are significantly more cynical and realistic than they were when they…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:53 AM
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Outstanding response, unlike virtually everything I read on here. My experience, and that of many people I know, is somewhat different but similar in that we were brought up in 'blue pill' environments and then realized through experience (either our own or what we saw) that much of what we had been taught or led to believe was incorrect. Most people who would meet me in real life would likely assume that I'm entirely 'blue pill' in nature, but in reality I believe in SOME of the concepts/ideas …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:45 AM
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Your general theme is entirely correct. As you can see from many of the responses, some people are incapable of dealing with complexity and nuance. In an environment like OLD or bars, the best looking 10-20% men are dramatically more successful than other men, and that creates a number of often undesirable byproducts (unless you're a 10%er guy). In a social network environment, like a school or workplace, the situation is very different, and a more average looking (with average wealth, charisma,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:25 AM
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Please, stop using facts. You'll anger the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:21 AM
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Agree in general - not just her but many famous/rich/beautiful/etc. women as revealed in innumerable biographies and documentaries. Also what I've seen over decades of observing/knowing many people. Not that anyone would care what I think, but outside of very religious communities, I'd guess maybe a quarter of men and a third of women are hardwired for LTRs/marriage/etc. and are concerned with finding someone with a comparable number of past sexual partners and types of experiences. For the rest…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:53 AM
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Lots of men have the don't ask don't tell policy, because they don't care, because they're naive, or because they create a fictional Disney type story in their mind about the woman they're infatuated with. There seem to be a growing number of guys who have a 'hotpast' fetish that want a woman with an interesting past. And of course a lot of men know but don't really care all that much. Lots of men (and women) still care and that creates a lot of friction in the dating/LTR/marriage markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:37 AM
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You bring up a critical point. In the past, most promiscuous men were also successful, charismatic, wealthy, good-looking men who got respect from many or most men and women, whereas many - but not all - promiscuous women faced various types of social disapproval. Now it looks to me like promiscuous women are equally able to get away with it in North America and Europe, except perhaps in the most religious groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:32 AM
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I agree with the comments on feedback loops and circular arguments. I'd put it another way. It's people with a given ideology simply repeating the same thing over and over, usually attacking those with a different ideology as a form of entertainment or as a way to vent. There is a minority that want to hear new insights, different opinions, additional information, intriguing arguments, etc. but we're a minority. I think it's unfortunate because there are a lot of important and fascinating issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 06:42 AM
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Which studies show estimates of % of female bisexuals versus male bisexuals? In the past I've seen references to studies that purportedly show men being largely either hetero or homo whereas many women are more fluid/flexible.
/r/BlackPillScience31/07/25 06:30 AM
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There appear to be at least two major themes here, and although interesting, I'm not sure how they fit in with any debates/discussions involving blue pill or red pill or any pill philosophies/positions. First, you've got the macro theme of some professions like medicine being structured in such a way that those who work in the field have to put in ridiculous amounts of hours - to the point where its sometimes impossible for those people to have regular, balanced lives. Some, like me, would argue…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:37 AM
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Largely correct given how things have evolved. However, there was once the dream that the interweb and the dating aps would facilitate efficient, effective introductions between highly compatible people for all forms of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 05:40 AM
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At least here is one opinion purportedly based on actual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:54 AM
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I agree entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:17 AM
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Pointed out in a similar thread in PurplePillDebate long ago that the dynamics of people meeting in bars/clubs/etc. or meeting online are completely different from meeting in environments like school, work, hobbies, through friends & family, and was attacked without mercy. Not sure about men settling for less ideal traits more easily than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:16 AM
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Hence the need to find a good man or woman that eats Indian food.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:58 AM
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Indian food is truly excellent. And not all of it is spicy. The korma dishes are moderate but taste phenomenal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:57 AM
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I disagree, but maybe you'd win with some kind of 50 or 55% outcome. Personally, I'd much rather jerk off on my own rather than be sucked off by someone that isn't into at all. Maybe I could get off on it if I had a deal with my wife (or girlfriends previously) that I'd go down on her whenever she wanted if she'd give me oral when I was horny, and it seemed like a fairly equal tradeoff. Maybe. I think that your perception might exist because there are a large number of attractive, aggressive guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:13 AM
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People in the BDSM subs talk about it. It appears as though some people (usually women posting but sometimes men) really get off on it sexually while others do it more for emotional reasons. My suspicion is that there is a huge spectrum of what it means, ranging from hypersexual couples both enjoying it to some situations where a person is being obviously abused. However, I have no first hand knowledge of this; my interactions have always been entirely voluntary on both sides, and being boring, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:54 AM
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Good comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:43 AM
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That should have been specified. I was quite confused; others may have also been.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:43 AM
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Bravo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:41 AM
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Lots of men lose interest in sex over time, and of course there are many situations where the woman has a much stronger sex drive, particularly among those over 30. This is not unusual. There are a million and one reasons for it, from falling hormone levels to focus on work to lack of attraction/interest. We're talking about LTRs here, not pickups or early relationship situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:40 AM
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On this I will disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:35 AM
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I don't think that it isn't as rare as you imply. Almost every sexual encounter that I've had with women over the past four decades has included oral sex (both ways) and when I've discussed it with friends (usually when everyone is very drunk), some will even admit to giving women oral being their top preference/kink. Obviously some men are not into it and I suspect that a large proportion of very good looking, aggressive (and maybe arrogant) men doing hookups won't be into it. Also, men with ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:25 AM
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In some cases I'm considered red pilled because I call it as I see it, but in situations like yours, I have tremendous sympathy (or is it empathy) for you. It's extremely difficult for women in our society when it comes to appearance at work. It also varies dramatically by industry/sector, because what works for people in large accounting consultancies might be very different from makeup manufacturers or hospitals. It's not only men that have weird judgments about women's appearances, either - s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:10 AM
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True, this is only conjecture on my part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:02 AM
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True to some extent. However, some women have commented to me that they'd like porn more except that the men tend to be not terribly good looking. Some of that might be preference for different body types and so on, but part of it is that porn tends to be made for men and the requirements are different for porn actors and porn actresses; the men have to be able to get it up and keep it up in front of a crew of cameramen and other people on the set.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:56 AM
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They do, but presumably the question is: should they be more obvious about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:50 AM
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This is an issue that is always out there, unfortunately. Some fraction of men (1-5%?) will use violence to force women to do what they want and some larger fraction of men (10-20%) will be relentless, crude, and obnoxious, and aside from the obvious impacts on victims, it wrecks dating mechanisms and makes life hard for almost all women and most men. One example that I've seen is women complaining that they can't mention kinks or specific sexual desires in dating aps even when they say that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:49 AM
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Perhaps, but I suspect that he had a good time in his earlier years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:33 AM
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Interesting point. However, from everything that I've seen and read, it's clear that attractive, fit, tall men can rise to any level (and may be helped by it), whereas women have to be very careful about not appearing too sexy, slutty, attractive, or whatever. It's a tight rope act for women, though, because if they're perceived as being too ugly or dumpy or whatever, they may not be promoted or hired.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:30 AM
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Yes, I don't understand what is being suggested. More emphasis on looks, height, etc. And by who? Media? Media focused on women? Social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:26 AM
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Interesting post OP, especially because it resulted in so many responses that revealed an immediate emotional reaction from commenters that revealed the tremendous diversity of standards/conduct out there. If it had been a different sub, there would be an even greater diversity of opinions. The majority of people on this string think that casual sex is a normal phase that everyone goes through and then grows up, is a healthy compliment to LTRs throughout life, or is not great but a normal reacti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:13 AM
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Thanks for the response. Refreshing to see someone commenting that is doing so based on own experience and/or actually observing others and/or reading widely instead of following some ideology. While I might generally agree with many opinions/themes commonly associated with blue pill land, one that I find absurd is that there isn't a 80/20 (or 70/30 or 10/90) rule and that a relatively small minority of men isn't having most of the promiscuous sex with most of the women. Had to laugh when you me…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:18 AM
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I enjoyed the main body of your post and many of your comments, but wish that you had used a different title. I think that the topic of demisexuality is interesting and have always wondered (and guestimated) what the actual proportions of men and women who are demisexual are (understanding its a spectrum and depends on definition). Anyway, only very misinformed people would think that most women are demisexual - but it's a fascinating question as to what proportion would be demisexual leaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:02 AM
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Interesting perspectives. Couple of questions. First, wouldn't your opinions fall more into 'red pill' territory (saw that your label was purple). Just curious. Second, while not challenging your observations (or OP's themes), what do you think about the suggestion that a larger proportion (say 35% versus 25%) of women are more demi-sexual than men? One of the reasons that I think that this kind of debate rages on endlessly is that while many people misrepresent how many women actually operate (…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:46 AM
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I like your comparison about women deriving similar experiences from casual sex with more attractive men (who are only in it for a short-term adventure) to men who go to prostitutes. It's largely a physical interaction with (potentially) some fantasizing by one of the parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:45 AM
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Interesting perspective. Perhaps what differentiates you is that you are perceptive enough to understand that the good-looking bullshit artist only wants to use you as a temporary fun toy, and that's a turn-off. I've known numerous otherwise intelligent women that seemed to lose all self-awareness when approached by an appealing salesman - they desperately wanted to believe that they were in the same league or that the pursuer actually wanted them for more than what was on the on the table or wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:43 AM
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Thank you for acknowledging something that I see repeatedly in comments and responses, which is that that those posting and commenting are assuming that their preference/personal experience/history are similar or identical to that of most people. The reality of course is that sexuality and associated interactions are astoundingly complicated and based on a mess of cultural, biological and other factors. I tend to most enjoy the comments and observations of those who are unusual (and know they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:20 AM
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Understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:27 AM
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Interesting thesis, and a good starting point for a lot of different debates. Since this string is probably dead now, I'll throw out only a few things in the unlikely event that anyone is reading anymore. I like how you differentiate between stranger dating and developing relationships through social networks (my words). The very different dynamics are often underestimated, in part because for some people there is overlap and confusion. A key issue is how limited one's social network is for meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:32 AM
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At first I thought that OP was writing a comedic post. Then I thought that he was writing while under the influence of a significant amount of alcohol. After completing it, I came to the conclusion that he was writing under the influence of a significant amount of a hallucinogenic drug like magic mushrooms or LSD. However, this is only speculation. If nothing else, it is extremely original. I've never before read anything that suggested that the way to find a soulmate is to demand sex on a first…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:42 AM
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Not that you'd ever consider something like this or care what I or anyone says, but this is often a situation of 'all is revealed' after the fact. Both men and women often conceal all sorts of interesting shit and its only later that you find out. In one instance, I was actually starting to have sex with a woman and she nonchalantly mentioned that if her boyfriend showed up, 'it was going to be a bad scene'. Thankfully she was good enough to tell me so I evacuate quickly. Also had a few LTRs whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:37 AM
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Probably true; especially OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:24 AM
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We are amused. Good response. Would like to challenge your assumption that only an insignificant number are still with their boyfriend or husband. I have numerous amusing examples of that (personal) from the 1980s and 1990s, but I won't bore everyone with ancient war stories. I also encounter instances of friends/family dealing with this now (ages 20 to 70) and many subreddits are filled with examples of infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:23 AM
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I found this post and associated strings to be particularly useless and irritating but thought I'd say that I found the exchange between you and Leosandlattes to at least be entertaining and somewhat coherent. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:36 AM
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I found this post and associated strings to be particularly useless and irritating but thought I'd say that I found the exchange between you and JustGemini to at least be entertaining and somewhat coherent. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:34 AM
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Included a comment on what streamconscious-ness said in case you're still seeking input.
/r/RedPillWomen27/12/24 02:48 AM
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This is excellent advice. I also have a child in a different branch, and I know many people that have been in or are still in each of the branches. It sounds like you are setting yourself up for a huge change in culture and a major shock, so it will be useful to learn as much as possible about the environment you will be in. Also make sure that you are entering the service that is most likely to meet your needs/expectations. Having helped a young person do a lot of research before choosing a bra…
/r/RedPillWomen27/12/24 02:46 AM
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And you appear to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:07 AM
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All true but you're leaving out one of the most critical issues for women in LTRs. Most people begin to lose interest in their spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends/etc. after the bunny phase begins to wear out in 6 to 24 months, and for many women the impact of this is far strong than for the men. From what I've experienced, seen and read about, some women can power through this transition rather easily through some mix of growing affection, increased kinkiness and exploration, and sheer physical/emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:01 AM
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One of the few interesting comments in this thread. A large minority (30%? 40%) of women have very strong sex drives - stronger than the average men for sure. I had a few LTRs with women like that. However, something that many if not most people get confused about is that women with strong sex drives are not necessarily promiscuous, and that promiscuous women don't necessarily have strong sex drives. Also, promiscuous women are not necessarily kinky, imaginative, sexually adventurous (as in diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:43 AM
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Almost certainly true that at an early age - say 18 or 20 - men on average will have higher sex drive than women and on average will be more aggressive/determined to get sex (or jerk off) than women. By the 30s this will have changed dramatically, with men's sex drives falling off and women's increasing. Men are more steady state and women have more powerful cycles that vary by day, month, year, etc. depending on age, hormones, social setting, behavior of friends/peers, and stage of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:36 AM
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Agree entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 05:25 AM
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Love this statement and had a good laugh. This is why all young women should be given a class that involves - among other things - reading Pride and Prejudice and being taught that at least one in ten men are predators that will lie, cheat, steal and intimidate to obtain short-term sex from a variety of ladies. Among their many tricks is to impersonate more boring men that are seeking LTRs. Of course, a significant portion of women will also get up to some amazing shit when it comes to sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 05:01 AM
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Agree that the women's magazines are often filled with advice on how to lose weight, improve figures, get better hair and hairstyles, be in fashion, be sexy, on so on, and men's magazines are only catching up in those themes. Not arguing for or against, simply stating reality. Now the material on the interweb directed at men that is often included under the umbrella of red pill content is simply a regurgitation of that - bulk up at the gym, wear good clothes, appear confident, looks max your fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:40 AM
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I don't agree that men's egos are more fragile than women's - in general I would argue that starting out at least both have fragile egos. Then, over time, perhaps one in ten or one in five men develop thick skins and build tremendous confidence by repeatedly approaching lots of women and succeeding in seducing many or some women. It's like any other kind of marketing or sales. Nothing succeeds like success. However, I think that you really nailed it when you said that many women don't understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:30 AM
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Luck always plays a role, but how much is difficult to determine, especially when people can make their own luck. For example, someone living in a man camp in a North Dakota oil area can overcome the misfortune of being located in a place with almost no women by moving to a small city that has a huge surplus of women due to the presence of liberal arts colleges and health care facilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:50 AM
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This is one good answer to a very complicated question. Some people are left in a vacuum when it comes to practical information about the behavior of the opposite sex. And others are fed completely crappy information about dating, sex, social interaction, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:46 AM
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Reading your comments on historical figures, it made me think about the prior exchange's allusion to how people like us (men who prefer LTRs even though casual sex is possible) don't exist in the eyes of a lot of people who comment here, and how many powerful or desired men chose not to be promiscuous. All you have to do is compare the US presidents, rock stars, or titans of industry to see that some make use of their positions to engage routinely in casual sex while others are far more selectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:04 AM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:50 AM
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Not sure what you mean about keeping up with you sexually. One of the most conservative of my past girlfriends in terms of number of lovers was also the most horny and sexually adventurous women I've ever been with. If you mean keeping up in terms of going to sex clubs, swinging, etc. that might be true. Generally, however, I don't think that promiscuity and sexual energy/perversions/etc. are highly correlated. In fact, many people that lack imagination and stamina often rely on a continuous flo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:50 AM
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I don't think that what you are describing is what OP is referring to. While I am a distant cousin of Ghostrider and wouldn't be compatible with you because of your philosophy, my guess is that you're a more honest and straightforward person than the kind of woman alluded to by OP. The quick sex option that you're citing sounds like an occasional or even rare occurrence that supplements your regular routine which might be similar to the routine that I used to have when pursuing LTRs that eventua…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:37 AM
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You can call it 'red flag' (and it is) but its really a significant incompatibility. She's built differently if she's capable of looking at someone and thinking 'well, he's vacuous and a bit of a moron but I think I'll fuck him anyway' and that will trigger a desire in you to move on immediately. It's similar to meeting a woman that you find out has just come back from Vegas where she gambled away $40K and had to sell her car as a result. It's her right to do it, but it's the kind of behavior th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:23 AM
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I find it absurd that many men and women claim that people like Ghostrider and I don't exist. Although not identical to him, I have almost always had a girlfriend (numerous) or wife from my late teens through to my late fifties - I'm not like this because I couldn't get women or casual sex. I have always been focused on LTRs, even though I'm somewhat perverted and haven't been one of the lonely guys so often ridiculed in this sub. I've always found it odd that some on this sub consider me a frea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:03 AM
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Possibly. Depends on how long you've known him and the general context. Obviously if you've known someone 15 minutes and you're gearing up for sex, everything is focused on sex and other issues are irrelevant (e.g. you've just met someone at a swinger's or sex club). If you're talking about hours, days, weeks much more depends on the basic personality of the person, something that is often ignored in these discussions. About a quarter of men and a third of women are geared towards seeking LTRs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:51 AM
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Yes, OP is referring to a proportion of women that act a certain way - we don't know if that's 20% or 70% and it will vary by subculture - and everybody is responding with their own perspectives on what they do. At least you're honest and say that it is out of your realm of experience and you're speculating. I believe that a large group of women (30% of total?) are determined to have a LTR and will never or rarely engage in casual sex with virtual strangers. I believe that a large group of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:30 AM
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Strange thread. A lot of these debates are especially confusing because as far as I can see there is no standardized definition of 'blue pill' and 'red pill'. My interpretation is that 'red pill' people are extremely or partially unorthodox in that they don't follow commonly-accepted or promoted theories, dogmas, etc., whereas those who do are considered 'blue pill' people. For whatever reason, many in these purple pill debates argue that women don't go for older men, and these are considered 'b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:15 AM
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Interesting thoughts, especially compared to most of the other stuff I've read in the past twenty minutes. I agree that marriage is a bad idea for almost everyone today. Although your concepts might be generally correct, there are of course many more nuances and complexities. For example, some lower class people will benefit from tax advantages if there are certain types of income-sharing going on (many credits & so on), but the transaction costs/hassles associated with divorces can be high. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:02 AM
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In my experience observing both male and female friends, acquaintances and relatives over the years, shorter men tend to end up with even shorter or same height women, while shorter women have a tremendous range of options and can end up with almost anyone. I suspect that your rule is quite common - taller by a hand. Many women also seem to look for someone at least same height.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:19 AM
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Interesting comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:15 AM
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Good suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:14 AM
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Interesting leads.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:47 AM
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I agree with your basic sentiments but I don't know if it should be left to the mods to go after OP. I would simply not respond or I'd begin to pontificate with my own interpretation or analysis of what's leading to this kind of situation. I think the post was good but missed a critical piece at the end that people could comment on, challenge, agree with, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:08 AM
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It would be fine if he were to even state why this is occurring (in his opinion) and then that could be debated. Or as you say, some sort of proposal could be discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:05 AM
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Outstanding response to a questionable comment. I found the Pew numbers interesting. Just the other day I was thinking to myself 'what are the actual proportions of men and women that are primarily interested in LTRs' while reading one of these debates/comment strings in PurplePillDebate. I estimated 25% for men and one third for women. I think that the 41% in the Pew survey is too high - too many women acting like they want LTRs because that's what they're suppose to want (its the safe response…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:57 AM
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I have a question. On which planet do you live? Most guys would prefer a relationship? This is totally incorrect. As the lady below indicates, perhaps a quarter of men are built to pursue LTRs almost exclusively. My guess is that perhaps twenty-five percent of men will always go for promiscuous sex, even if they're married or in a LTR. The remaining half are hybrids that will go back and forth, or will be focused on casual sex while young and then eventually try to do LTRs as they get worn down …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:51 AM
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Sorry for the huge lag effect but sadly real life gets in the way and I often can't back to Reddit for a while. Life tends to be easier when you're in a LTR with a person with a similar body count and sexual history. For one thing, you can talk about your sex life openly without triggering jealousy, envy, disgust, morality or values type issues, and there are many advantages to being able to converse about anything and everything. These include: avoiding getting blindsided when something gets re…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:39 AM
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Thank you for providing my first good real laugh of the day. Conspiracy theories about women? LOL. Sometimes when I've spent most of my occasional Reddit visits elsewhere and then go to this sub, I'll forget how naturally combative everyone is. What I was referring to was that the theme in the thread was about how many women will follow the dual dating/sex strategy AND NOT about how some women will inevitably change over time. Of course women, and men, will change over time as experiences, aging…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:07 AM
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The fact that you don't have any strict or explicit rules implies that you're not going to be following the kind of dual dating/sexual strategy that is pissing off so many men. As you point out, someone complaining about your random timing/selection process is wasting his time and should be dismissed as a fool. But if you were following a strategy of acting one way with one class of people and another with a different group of people, a reasonable person could have a valid reason for being angry…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:56 AM
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If your sexual conduct is a purely random function and you're totally honest about it, the kind of problem being cited here wouldn't exist - at least in your specific case. I don't think that's what is being discussed here. It's people that have duplicitous strategies to do con jobs on particular kinds of victims - in this case dual dating/sex strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:43 AM
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The problem is that there are large groups of men and women that are built differently in that they need to know someone relatively well before they can have enjoyable sex (and sex that's worth the various risks associated with it), and it makes the lives of those people much more difficult when others are impersonating them. Take a look at the postings in r/dating and r/datingoverthirty and so on and see the tremendous amount of frustration and anger about men acting like they want LTRs and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:30 AM
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Excellent strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:09 AM
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Yeah, but why do you want to be with someone who is incompatible with you? Find someone with similar kinks and similar number of past sexual partners, if you actually want a LTR. If you're honest and really luck out, you'll find someone that can be a long-term partner and let you have sex with other people (if that's what you want). There are all sorts of people that would like a woman that's into swinging, hotwifing, polyamory, open relationships, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:07 AM
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It's totally ridiculous and so common.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:04 AM
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It's not about some sort of psychological evolution over time, it's about a dual strategy that lots of women use. That's what a lot of men find irritating. It's similar to many LTR-oriented women getting pissed off by men that impersonate LTR-oriented men so that they can pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:56 AM
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Yes. It's obviously best to find a compatible partner but it's far more difficult to do when huge numbers of people are duplicitous liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:39 AM
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Maybe your views are not acceptable to many right now, but I think that they are entirely reasonable and relevant. Had to laugh about the anal sex reference because if that's true, it's so ridiculous on so many levels. I remember seeing interviews of women in Bali (mostly Australian, US, Canadian and British tourists) and several said that they would have sex immediately with a guy if he was hot but not boyfriend material but not with someone that they could get serious with. Given that they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:21 AM
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Rarely see such excellent advice on Reddit. The great advantage of meeting someone with potential at work is that you have lots of time to observe in an environment where someone isn't putting on an act and you're in a no pressure situation. One of the major disadvantages is of course that you don't want to poison your work environment by initiating something that turns into a disaster that can't easily be escaped, so only initiate something physical if and when you have a lot of confidence in s…
/r/RedPillWomen10/06/24 10:39 PM
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Sad but true. I don't understand why some people try to deny this...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:54 PM
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Sorry, disagree. There are huge tensions going on between groups of men and between groups of women that often are ignored, especially in the PurplePillDebate. It is often subtle, but it is critically important. If I get the energy, in the coming months I will write a post about this, and of course it will be attacked ferociously by some Redditors who seem incapable of understanding that there are different groups of people interacting and competing that have extremely different views on what co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:40 PM
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Good analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:53 AM
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Interesting perspective. Numerous people have told me this. Depending on location, the ratio of men to women on OLD will often lead to men receiving connections with women with looks, backgrounds, personalities far inferior to what they might find in real life. Definitely points to a need for arbitrage for many if not most men... However, some guys do seem to excel at OLD and love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:50 AM
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As you correctly point out, some people will do much better using specific approaches (OLD, social networks, cold approach, etc.). However, I would argue that for many if not most, social networks like work, school, friends, hobbies, churches, etc. will be much more useful for obtaining LTRs. OLD will likely be much better for hookups for most people. A lot depends on person and environment, though. Work is a great place to meet women if you're a guy working in a hospital with 70% female employe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:38 AM
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Sadly this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:25 AM
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You are correct, especially about b). Social networks (work, school, friends, etc.) are by far the best environment to meet people for successful LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:24 AM
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It's not the same thing. You are entirely correct that the accountability is a huge benefit to the social network approach. However, EulenWatcher has pointed out an even more important benefit of the social network approach. Meeting someone through school, work, friends, etc. will provide a tremendous amount of information in a very easy-going, non-interrogation type environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:22 AM
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I disagree with the premise that the attractive nice person will always do better than the Dark Triad good looking person. In an environment of a robust social network, the good attractive person will likely do much better because news of his excellent character will spread and over time women will seek him out, whereas the evil attractive guy will find that news of his shitty behavior is being transmitted to more and more women. In an environment like online dating with weak or nonexistent soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:13 AM
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Entirely correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:06 AM
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No in this case you're missing the point. An average looking man who starts using PUA techniques can increase the amount of sexual activity he obtains, and a very good looking man can greatly increase the amount of sexual activity he obtains. A very ugly man may be totally unable to obtain any sexual activity whatever he does unless he is able and willing to spend money on prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:06 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:03 AM
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I think that there are several arguments going on here with lots of confusion in-between. One type of Dark Triad man will act like a decent guy who is looking for a long-term relationship and will use lies and duplicity to convince a decent woman who seeks a long-term relationship into having sex with him, and then will move on (or will pursue several concurrent sexual relationships). Another type of Dark Triad man will act like a high value man and will be arrogant, insulting, and domineering, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:01 AM
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Women appear to be doing much better according to many of the criteria that you are citing but in large part this is due to how society is structured. Previously men were sent out on their own to make their way economically while women were constrained and forced to stay at home or to become domestic workers in the care of others. Now women are benefiting from school systems that are geared to their needs while many young men are being left behind by school systems and are fed examples of terrib…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:22 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:59 AM
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Agree entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:59 AM
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I don't understand why this is debated so much. One only has to read Reddit comments to see that perhaps one in five women readily admit to having one or more sexual relationships with much older men. In many cases they try to hide it from their family and friends. Just go to r/sex and r/dating and similar subreddits and one sees it over and over. It's even more common in subs involving various sexual themes like BDSM. I saw this through my entire life: high school girls hanging out with guys th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:57 AM
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True about the Disney stuff but this is just one layer in many that are piled on top of young girls and women's heads. Add in several other layers including girl power, religious guilt, enjoy sex like a man, make sure you make enough money to be independent, only the beautiful are worthwhile, and smart girls marry rich (not to mention complete shit like dress up like a whore for the frat party when you're a freshman phase) and many women are thoroughly confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:49 AM
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I think that you are correct in your central theme but I disagree with the breakdowns. After observing people for decades I would suggest that perhaps a third of women and maybe a quarter of men are naturally predisposed towards LTRs, and that perhaps a quarter of women and maybe a third of men are naturally predisposed towards casual sex and adventures. The remainder are hybrids that will change over time because of a huge range of factors (age, hormones, behavior of friends, opportunities, rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:41 AM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:23 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:19 AM
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Largely correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:18 AM
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Actually that wasn't what I thinking at all. Not sure how you would arrive at that conclusion, but ok...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:05 PM
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I'm really, really glad that I don't get access to younger women. I suffered through that for a long time. Did my time; paid my dues. Life is much easier with middle aged and older women. Except for the in-laws, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 10:12 PM
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Maybe we could compromise and all men would be made into indentured servants for a period not exceeding fifteen years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 10:07 PM
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As you say, almost all dual income couples I know or knew had either one or two children because the demands were so great when the kids were young. Most of the people I knew with three kids had situations where both working parents had somewhat flexible working conditions - like a nurse married to a programmer or a physical therapist married to a fireman. Even then, it was a difficult thing to achieve. What is really bad is when a husband or wife can't even get an UNPAID leave of absence beyond…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 10:05 PM
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But do people really care? It's pretty low on my list of priorities and I suspect that's also the case for many others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:59 PM
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Fascinating. Good explanation. I think that there are some similarities with what has happened in North America and Europe. People keep referring to the massive advantages conferred on men, and especially Caucasian men, but in reality most of those benefits were obtained by older men decades ago and young men face immense challenges. Regardless of the reasons for the change, younger women in urban areas now make higher incomes than comparably aged men, and yet everyone keeps talking about the wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:57 PM
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What you are saying simply reinforces what I am talking about. The current system would have to be dramatically revised to get the birthrate up. As a lady on this thread commented, unless the costs and benefits (economic/social/psychological) for bringing up children are changed, the birth rate will continue falling. She mentioned how hard it was to just get a doctors appointment for herself while trying to juggle childcare and work. When my wife and I moved from the DINK to parental phase the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:48 PM
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It's true that the current feminist model would have to be abandoned, but that doesn't mean that women in general and feminists in particular couldn't be convinced to adopt a new model that is seen to benefit women as well as men and society. It's impossible to divide social from economic in this realm. Society would have to be dramatically revised so that resources are redirected from older people programs to younger people consumption. Key to all this would be a total change in attitudes, in l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:18 PM
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That's a whole different debate about the quality or quantity of older guys going for much younger women. I was just pointing out that while you say that 'women aren't generally interested..' the reality is that a large group of young women are. That's the reality, whether you or I like it. The question in this thread is: is it only old bitter women that are opposed to age gap sex/dating/etc. Based on responses here, there are at least several young women and one older guy that are not big advoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 08:03 AM
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Yeah, I wonder why this topic shows up so often. Seems like a low priority issue compared to so many others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:51 AM
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As someone who definitely isn't an advocate of age gap banging, I have to point out that lots of 18-25 year old women are banging men older than 30. You might not like it. I might not like it. Why are you and others saying that it doesn't happen though? Maybe you don't like being approached by older creepy guys, but they wouldn't be doing the approach if it never paid off. It was happening forty years ago and its still happening, and for a variety of reasons. The question is: does anyone other t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:48 AM
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I'm glad you brought this up. When I was a younger guy it seemed like the women my age going for the older dudes were often looking for some kind of direct or indirect economic compensation. Judging by the popularity of websites like SeekingArrangements or whatever, it seems like that's still a major driver. A while ago I was reading about the number of girls on that website at the local university and I was astounded - I worked it out and it was about 5% of the female student population there. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:34 AM
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Man here is uneasy with age gap relationships involving people under 25 who agrees with you on some points but not others. Some differences with you: Seems to me when I get Cosmopolitan or similar women magazine articles coming across my Apple news feed (that I scan through while waiting in various extraordinarily boring situations like waiting at a doctor's office), those articles often promote young guy older woman sex OR young woman older guy sex. It's just another adventure, so participate! …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:16 AM
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Thanks for writing this - gave me a good laugh before I turn in. Not everyone that is uneasy with age gap relationships are soy based vegan gen z overweight fat boys or old bags living with their cats. I definitely don't fit into one of those categories. In fact, a lot of my opinions and concerns enrage the blue pill crowd. As someone pointed out here, it's interesting how many blue pill women will admit to having had age gap sex earlier in life but now think its creepy and blame it on the older…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:04 AM
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That might be true, but if 5 or 10% of young women are attracted to older men, it does have a major impact on sex/dating markets. I say this as a man that has never gone after women outside of a plus/minus five year range and that doesn't like age gap dating that involve under 25 people. So often when I'm doing quick reads in the various dating and sex subreddits, women will refer to their current or past ONS, FWB, boyfriend/girlfriend or marriage relationships with men that are 10+ years older,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:47 AM
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Bravo! I think you're the only one or maybe one of the few that addressed the issue posted. I'd guess that there are a lot of people other than bitter old aging women who are somewhat concerned about age gap relationships, and they are from many different ages/backgrounds. People with children or grandchildren will often be uneasy with age gaps, but as you point out, that uneasiness will depend on the age of the younger person and the amount of gap. I'm part of the lunatic fringe that thinks tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:26 AM
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Don't entirely agree but interesting points.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:47 AM
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Interesting points.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:46 AM
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Only a short term solution, especially with fertility rates declining steadily in Latin America and most of Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:21 AM
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Agree with most of your concepts, especially propaganda and media changes, but I don't know that I agree with your suggestion that female privilege needs to be reduced but I am not familiar with South Korea's dynamics. I suspect that women's rights, role in education/workforce, and sexual benefits could actually be advanced in North America and Europe with a huge re-emphasis on increasing the birth rate and focusing on children that would be pursued with the same vigor and ingenuity that countri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:20 AM
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Your statements are correct in that if feminists continue to pursue current policies and our societies at large don't change and continue on the same path, feminism and feminists will go the way of the Shakers (religion) and die out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:00 AM
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That's kind of you. At least you'll only be forcing us to be serfs and not slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:55 AM
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Sarcasm aside, ChemistryFederal is correct to a large extent. We are headed for a demographic disaster unless major changes are made, and the only pathetic option commonly cited is to obtain immigration from poor, undeveloped countries in Africa and Asia where women have few rights and living conditions are not great for all but the elites. Society will need to be changed to the point where both women and men are given adequate incentives to produce and bring up more children. South Korea does n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:53 AM
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I believe that you are largely correct but are missing out on one additional possibility/option. It's true that the birth rate is falling in all industrialized, technologically advanced societies and that Scandinavian type child care programs and equality in the workplace programs appear to only marginally affect birth rates. It's also true that the only societies that have high birth rates right now are societies with very low levels of education and low levels of technological/economic develop…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:43 AM
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Outstanding comment! There are a million and one specific issues that need to be addressed, but it all really comes down to how the costs and benefits balance out for both women and men. I agree that society needs to be rethought and restructured to reverse birth rates. We can't go back to the previous systems and the current system is failing in every advanced industrial society. Appreciate your comment on not going to the doctor because of time demands. When my wife and I embarked on our repro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:23 AM
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Yes the lag effect is considerable in housing. Anyone who has gone on homebuying expeditions quickly becomes aware of how many legacy elements are associated with houses of various vintages. I once lived in a 19th Century house that had gone through four cycles (wood, coal, oil, and natural gas) of heating and had additional washrooms/bathrooms added in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 09:46 PM
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It's good that you're optimistic. I suppose it comes down to the question of whether the glass is half full or half empty. I've had a good life myself but I become frustrated at how so many things could easily be done better, to benefit so many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 09:39 PM
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Interesting post, OP. However, your 'wall of text' and reliance on facts may disturb some. Many people want to focus on a fantasy of the 1950s and imagine a period that either didn't exist or a period that lasted for only a brief time. In many ways, the 1950s were a good time for specific groups. Housing was much cheaper because homes were smaller (1,500 sq.ft. was common), there was a lot of land available in certain growing areas like California, and there were fewer amenities in the homes (on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:44 AM
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You are correct (see comment above).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:16 AM
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OPs point that fixtures like toilets and bathtubs and appliances like washing machines were only gradually introduced from the 1920s through the 1960s is correct. It is true that some homes had indoor toilets and baths connected to running water as early as the mid-19th Century, but they were almost all homes of very wealthy people. Electricity only came to many rural areas in the 1930s as part of the New Deal. It is true that many if not most homes built from the 20s on in suburban parts of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:16 AM
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If I'm interpreting your last paragraph correctly, I think that you're on to something. I think that it's clear that the old system or systems had to go because of changing technology and the justifiable demands of women (among others) to be in a more equitable situation, but it's also clear that many of the aspects of the new system simply aren't sustainable, efficient or useful for the majority of people. So, some people (many conservatives) advocate going back to the old ways and that won't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:53 AM
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This might be the case for you and some others but many other women are attracted to tall, attractive, confident, charismatic, and fit men and are drawn to them in huge numbers. I've seen it in three very different urban areas over a period of decades. I've had friends who fit into the category I've described, and I've had friends that are not terribly good looking, confident or charismatic. Going out with the former, the women would actually begin coming up to us and 'just dropping by to chat' …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:30 AM
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OP, many on here don't want to accept that many women have a standard protocol that they want followed that matches what you are describing. It seems like 70% of people on here want to believe that everyone else is just like them in terms of philosophy and behavior. They want to believe that everyone acts like them and/or their friends. It's like when you see discussions about protection against STIs on Reddit and some people will say 'everyone I know uses condoms and discusses sexual health bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:08 AM
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This sounds like a well meaning but functionally useless public service announcement. Who is it directed to? The manipulative predators who will lie not only to potential conquests but to their wives/girlfriends and anyone else that needs to be deceived? The good-looking, charismatic, so-called 'high value' men that know that they don't have to broach the subject of long-term issues because both they and the women that they are temporarily with know exactly what is going down? The men who follow…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:55 AM
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Actually the sexual revolution has been going on for centuries or longer depending on how you define it, and it continues. Birth rates began to decline significantly in the 1800s and have had small ups and downs (depression/baby boom/subsequent falls) but now we're approaching rates below population sustainability (now about 1.65 in US where 2.3 or thereabouts is required). 'Dating' and premarital sex became much more common in the 1920s through the 1950s, and then exploded in the 1960s and 1970…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:39 AM
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I strongly disagree with your first statement. It is far more complicated than that. There are many frustrated women out there that would be with a man and be much happier if the 'sex/relationships' markets weren't so dysfunctional and if people were exposed to others in a way that allowed them to gradually figure out who they could and should realistically be with. Lots of women AND men seeking LTRs cannot find them because of all the noise out there (like the minority of men that are predators…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:25 AM
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This is your experience. Visit the 'dating', 'datingoverthirty' and online dating subreddits and check out the raging debates associated with subjects like 'when should you first have sex' or 'are all men out for only sex'. The range of diversity of opinions is astounding. Some women want casual sex and will openly ask for it, some women want casual sex but want to be pursued and seduced, some women sometimes want casual sex (if the guy approaches exactly as they want), and many women don't want…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:12 AM
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Disagree, unless you're insinuating that most men want sex, which is true. Some men always want promiscuous sex, some men want promiscuous sex and LTR sex (cheating), some men want either casual sex or LTR, some men want LTR sex but will live with casual sex if necessary, and some men will aggressively seek out LTRs that result in steady sustained sex. And some men are so lazy or asexual or whatever they don't even seek out any kind of sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:06 AM
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This statement is absurd. Because a minority of men will use whatever tactics they can to succeed in the sexual marketplace according to their 'success criteria' hardly means that 'all men think they should be as attractive as the most attractive men'. The men that I know - like the women I know - have a tremendous range of preferences and objectives and behavior. One of my friends married a fellow devout Catholic in his early twenties and they both proudly told me that they were both virgins at…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:00 AM
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This is largely true. Good looking charismatic Chads don't need to lie about casual sex because they obtain it easily without lying. Predators and master predators know that they can dramatically increase their number of sexual conquests by lying, manipulating or even simply avoiding telling the truth. Many other men who are struggling to obtain sex with anyone will try to tailor their behavior to what is perceived as being the most efficient/successful/etc., even if that is not in their nature.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:50 AM
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Perhaps true but the ten or twenty percent of men that are persistent predators will always seek out promiscuous sex and will lie to their conquests and to any existing partners (wives, girlfriends, etc.) if necessary to obtain it. There is probably an equal number of women that would lie if they had to but they generally don't have to unless it involves deceiving their partners...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:45 AM
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You might be right and your chances of getting STIs would be dramatically reduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:41 AM
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This is an unusual but perhaps rewarding strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:40 AM
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I liked what you wrote, OP, but unfortunately you left out a key question or position or suggestion, and as a result so many of the responses were standardized knee jerk reactions that do nothing for real learning or exchange of ideas or even good entertainment. Are you coming at this from a macro perspective (how society or large groups within society are impacted) or are you coming at it from a purely micro perspective (how you or a small group of people you know can use this existing system t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:38 AM
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I agree that the purpose of marriage was originally focused on family and stability for children but I do not believe it serves that purpose now in any significant way. That is an observation and has nothing to do with what I would want or not want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:48 PM
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The exit costs issue might have a tiny impact on the margins. From what I have seen, I believe that you're correct that right now (big lag effects though) married people are likely to stay together than unmarried, but I wonder to what extent that is a reflection of a number of very complex factors like older, wealthier, better educated people being willing to get married and religious people feeling compelled to marry. You might get the same level of correlation with staying together if you comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:46 PM
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You have hit on one of the most critical issues. Would it actually help if at fault divorces were implemented - would you actually trust the courts to take on this responsibility? Requirement of prenups might be one way of curbing most ridiculous aspects of divorce law. Totally revamping or perhaps scrapping of marriage laws would likely be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:53 AM
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Largely agree. Wish it was replaced by a series of optional, voluntary legal agreements dealing with specific issues. Most people getting married don't have a clue about complex legal obligations/rules associated with their new status, and roughly half marriages fail. It should be revamped or scrapped. No fault versus at fault is only one small aspect of a huge, complicated mess that should be revisited...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:47 AM
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But is a marriage really a contract for the benefit of the children in most jurisdictions in this day and age? Both parents are obligated to pay child support and both parents can request full or shared custody, whether they are married or not. Aren't most parent rights and obligations now established by DNA in disputed situations? Functionally at this point it seems to me that marriage largely serves two functions: a) Serves as a primitive system for reallocating assets at time of divorce and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:40 AM
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A good question in this context would be: If the divorce was not a no-fault divorce, would it matter? Would a court actually be just in evaluating who would be at fault, or would it simply facilitate a game that benefits the more evil and duplicitous of the two parties? From what I've seen, it's usually the evil or selfish person that makes out the best, regardless of the theoretical legal framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:14 AM
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Largely agree except with first point. Many opposed to no fault divorce are religious but there are others as well and they are often focused on contractual nature of marriage and the lack of enforcement of the contract. My experience has been that if you put ten people into a room and ask them what marriage is and what it is for, you will get ten different answers. Right now it appears to me to be little more than a crude mechanism for splitting assets accrued during marriage according to vario…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:06 AM
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Sorry, not understanding your 2nd paragraph. Was the issue with the British NGO worker that she couldn't find Asian guys that she wanted to fuck, or that the Asian guys didn't want to fuck her? I have read and been told that North American/European women often have a difficult time finding men in certain parts of NE Asia because the men avoid them, whereas the same kind of women are pursued relentlessly by men in many African countries because they are seen as easy and exotic providers of sex (f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:58 AM
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No problem. It's only Reddit. At least this discussion is more interesting than many...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:43 AM
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No, I think its about more than the simp and his backbone (or lack thereof). Society has an interest in figuring out the origin of children, because if things blow up in the household the state is left responsible for caring for the children. Could also become key later on in an divorce, abandonment, separation, estate, etc. case - might as well get it over with in a standardized and affordable way. Also, I'm sick of the endless debate about the real numbers are...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:30 AM
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? I just said that I support mandatory testing at hospitals. Who said that it would be ridiculous to give fathers the same security as women? Not me. Most people are here bringing up the endless debate about what the true rates of paternity fraud are or going on about individual circumstances. I say do the testing and then we can see the true rates AND give fathers additional information.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:25 AM
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Upside to mandatory paternity testing at birth: possibly an end to the ongoing debates on Reddit about what the true rates of paternity fraud are. Downside: Potentially less interesting 'Finding Your Roots' episodes in the future as certain women become more honest about origins of their children knowing that all will be revealed at the hospital shortly after birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:17 AM
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It should be mandatory. It won't be long before they're testing every new baby for genetic related disease potential anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:10 AM
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I have never heard of rates like 33% in any context, but I have heard of specific villages in Europe having very high rates (10-20%). One reason I would support mandatory and consistent paternity testing would be to stop the endless debate about what the actual numbers are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:07 AM
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But the main characters on rom-coms don't settle. The perfect person materializes at the perfect time. Isn't that the way it works in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:48 AM
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At least the music was better than the 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:40 AM
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It wouldn't just be easier. It would be astoundingly easier. Not sure if that kind of truth in advertising legislation would ever make it through state legislatures, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:34 AM
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Not sure if you're still reading new comments in this thread OP, or if you actually are seeking input, but I feel compelled to comment. I'm part of the minority of men that was always seeking long term relationships, not because I couldn't get women for casual sex but because I actually prefer LTRs and I'm what would be called demi-sexual leaning nowadays. From the time I was in my mid-teens until now, I've been in LTRs and married - married now for decades. One of the most ridiculous things I e…
/r/RedPillWomen01/05/24 04:25 AM
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Questionable analysis. Why break it off when she's found someone that appears to be a good candidate for a LTR that might lead to marriage AND she enjoys sex with him?
/r/RedPillWomen01/05/24 04:00 AM
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At least you weren't timid once you decided to go all in...
/r/RedPillWomen01/05/24 03:57 AM
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Yes.
/r/RedPillWomen01/05/24 03:56 AM
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Outstanding analysis. OP appears to be very confused and has a strategy that will likely yield terrible results.
/r/RedPillWomen01/05/24 03:56 AM
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Excellent comments.
/r/RedPillWomen01/05/24 03:51 AM
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Correct - if that's what is being sought. From time to time I'll scan the r/Dating and r/datingoverthirty subs and there are frequently women posting something related to them getting started with OLD and receiving lots of attention from guys in their 20s and being incredulous about it. The comments - of which there are many - are entertaining. Some women in their 30s, 40s and 50s complain about it but many others say that its a fabulous ego boost and nice change to have toy boys with plenty of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:43 AM
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Perhaps your perception is correct based on where you used to live or live now. I grew up in a large metropolitan area in the east and very few people I knew were concerned about having children at an early age. Then after moving across the country, and keeping up with those that I grew up with, I began to see couples that were having problems because they had waited until their 30s (often professional with multiple degrees who married late). I suspect that if I had grown up in Iowa or Utah my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:10 AM
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We can have endless debates about how many women do what in their early twenties but there are no reasonable numbers on that. However, it is clear that many men and women either don't worry at all about getting married or equivalent until much later (not an issue/waiting to finish school/waiting for some future economic milestones) or are focusing exclusively on casual sex/similar while in their early 20s. This has gone on for several generations and is becoming more prevalent as indicated by th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:00 AM
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Meant medical intervention in getting pregnant. If you look at the statistics you will find that it is women in their late 30s and 40s who are getting most of the assistance in becoming pregnant. As for carrying to birth, I suspect that women in their 30s are overwhelmingly successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:52 AM
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Had one professional friend that had triplets after 'assistance' from medical world. She and husband were happy but it was more than they bargained for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:47 AM
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True that many have a hard time after 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:46 AM
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Generally agree except with two qualifications: Important to spend twenties figuring out what kind of partner is required for marriage/equivalent IF marriage/equivalent + children are sought in late 20s/early 30s. Bouncing around from hookup to hookup is inadequate for that. And, it can get difficult to have children in late 30s for a number of reasons. Knew several couples that wished that they had started earlier because of infertility issues...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:45 AM
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Where is this pressure coming from OP? You're 24, not 30. Your fertility concerns are generally valid (fertility falls after 30) but so are your concerns about finding a reasonable man and having a durable partnership (marriages among never married before with no prior children and degree holding after age 25 last much longer). It is much harder to find a person that you will be able to spend decades with happily than the rom-coms let on, but it is probably doable if you devote a lot of time (se…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:41 AM
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Glad that you actually read it. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:13 PM
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So true. I've never gone from hating someone to liking them, but I have gone from mildly disliking someone to liking them a lot on rare occasions, and often gone from being neutral to liking them. Same other way around, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:15 AM
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A lot of this has to do with definitions, OP. I think its clear to most responders that being around someone a lot and liking them won't overcome an initial (and lasting) lack of physical attractiveness. However, there are a lot of issues at play when it comes to making first choices. I'll give an example. One of my wife's friends has a daughter that just gave birth to her first child; I attended her wedding. At the wedding several of the people giving speeches commented on how the bride had ini…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:06 AM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:48 AM
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Largely true. If someone is ugly, he/she is ugly. But what if she pisses you off with one or two statements initially, and then as time goes you realize that it was out of context or didn't really matter or whatever? Women are notorious for getting the 'ick' initially over small things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:47 AM
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But it would be different if you're Zeus?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:44 AM
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Interesting perspective. I suspect that all successful couples at least had a minimum threshold attraction when they met. I agree that many women can be motivated to go for the 'o.k.' or 'cute' guy over the 'hot' guy if they really appreciate the o.k./cute guy's personality/character. This is different from choosing someone that one has NO attraction for, which is a bad situation about to get worse..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:43 AM
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You are correct about physical attraction being very important. However, if you were offered a choice between a 9 on 10 looks woman that was a narcissistic, manipulative and evil woman that has history of betraying and even destroying men, and a 8 on 10 woman that is known to be an excellent, kind, horny, dependable and generous woman, which would you choose? I don't know how you evaluate women, but you might choose the second. If that were the case, OP is suggesting that in some environments li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:33 AM
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I think that you've misconstrued what OP is trying to communicate. You appear to be thinking about men you've known who try to impose themself on you through nefarious means even though you've made it clear that you're not interested. He's referring to how your choice in men might be different between an OLD, bar, tourist spot situation where everything is based on a quick look/talk and another situation where you get to know different men in a non-sexual environment for weeks/months... Even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:24 AM
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We want it, and we want it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:16 AM
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Probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:15 AM
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But is that the true issue? There are so many dead bedrooms and divorces because people believe that the NRE/bunny hormones will carry them through multiple years of cohabiting and baby vomit, but then the hormones inevitably fade after 24 months and those who can't innovate in the bedroom (or elsewhere) lose interest. I would argue that a couple that is somewhat attracted to each other and that are very tuned into each other will be much more resilient than a couple that is initially very attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:14 AM
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I believe attraction can and does grow for many people over time - especially among women. Also, a big problem is not so much lack of physical attraction but 'ick' factors that might be exaggerated. Women in particular (but also men) will say things like 'I couldn't believe he said that he likes yellow...' or 'did you see the shoes he was wearing?' In some cases these are deal breakers, but in most cases they're not when the overall person is considered in a measured way weeks or months later. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:07 AM
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So true. Portion of the population that takes some time to evaluate before moving towards sex is having a difficult time in current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:01 AM
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You may be scorned but you are correct. Logan Ury comments in her recent book on how people's perceptions and rankings of others will change significantly from time of first meeting to some time later (e.g. a class of uni students over one semester). At first everything will be based on attractiveness and apparent confidence and charisma; after 3 months + many other factors will come into play. Extremely selfish, arrogant good-looking people will seem less appealing while interesting, helpful av…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:59 AM
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Yes but on Reddit everything is supposed to be standardized, as in all women like this or all women like that. Apparently the concept that there are different groups of women in terms of preference and conduct is too complex to grapple with...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:18 AM
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Still not sure why this discussion is taking place in this subreddit. Sorry to hear about your situation but it's very common and is often described in subreddits like r/DeadBedrooms and r/sexover30. As I say in my comment above our society is terrible in communicating to couples that NRE (the 'bunny phase') will burn out somewhere between 6 and 24 months and sex drive will plummet for most women and many men. It will have to be replaced with something else, and that something is often something…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:16 AM
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Interesting comments and you are correct about the drop in spontaneous desire in men and women (especially women) after 6 to 24 months at the end of the new relationship energy or bunny phase. While it doesn't fit well with the rom-com/Disney 'happily ever after' story of marriage, the reality is that an entirely new phase of intimacy/exploration/innovation must take place. However, its highly unlikely that this has anything to do with this man given his complete lack of interest in changing thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:02 AM
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I suspect OP doesn't want to hear this...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:58 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:57 AM
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You're touching on a critical issue that is so often ignored or dismissed in these strange debates - there are huge variations in the urges/desires/behavior of men and especially women. A couple of the huge divides among women (which confuse the hell out of men with no/little experience): Many women love casual sex (whether they admit it or not) with very attractive men while many women despise or try to avoid casual sex of any kind; Many (20-25%?) women are PIV penetration queens while more wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:55 AM
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A large minority of men appear to be obsessed with the size of their dicks, perhaps because of the influence of mainstream porn, which is generally terrible from a quality perspective (even poorly made amateur porn is much better). Its a similar situation to fashion modeling where only extremely thin and even unattractively skinny women are chosen to be models. So, yes, many young men are being instructed by shit porn that all women are penetration queens...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:36 AM
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Admirable devotion to your woman. I would guess that the percentage of couples where the woman orgasms more than men is far greater than 5%. Many women can have multiple orgasms with the right kind of stimulation whereas many if not most men can't. So, many couples will have women that never or rarely orgasm because its so difficult for the woman to come OR the man isn't capable of inducing them, and many couples will have women that orgasm repeatedly while the man only comes once or twice. Had …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:22 AM
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No, the post would be better in r/Sex or a comparable subreddit. Even if your assertion is correct, which I don't believe, it is unclear how that has any impact on the blue v red pill debates. It is undoubtedly true that some men are terrible lovers. What proportion can be debated. The focus on the PIV priority is also another issue to be evaluated separately. Many selfish men seek other forms of pleasure (e.g. oral performed on them; anal; BDSM; etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:07 AM
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Thank you for making this terribly obvious point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:58 AM
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That might be the case. However, he might be listening more intently in the moments immediately following her announcement that she's leaving him. Events like that sometimes focus the mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:47 AM
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Understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:43 AM
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If this post is real, OP, you need to move on to greener pastures. Is it really greener on the other side of the fence? It is when you're living in the Sahara in a desolate landscape with no sustenance or amenities. I'd say run, don't walk, but you need to tell your special friend why you're going so that others won't suffer in the future. He probably won't listen, but you have to at least try... Perhaps buy him a few books on pleasing women sexually as a parting gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:40 PM
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Children with this guy? Scary proposition. Hopefully fix it long before children, probably by leaving...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:34 PM
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Sadly the proper response is actually the standard Reddit response of 'dump his ass'. But your ideas are valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:32 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:30 PM
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Interesting ratios. Can't debate that because we all have our breakdowns. Only qualification to your excellent response is that she should inform robot man of why she is departing. He deserves to know what a shitty lover he is. Otherwise his next sexual partner will suffer due to his profound ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:29 PM
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Perhaps. Never had to emerge from his bubble - insulated from reality by his good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:25 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:22 PM
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Largely correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:21 PM
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He might also just be a fool.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:21 PM
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Stupid, but perhaps not the most stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:20 PM
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Incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:19 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:19 PM
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What I was getting at had nothing to do with you - I was referring to a hypothetical 'test' that could be devised to identify naive blue pill guys. It was an attempt at humor that I thought might trigger some of the more uptight commenters...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:42 PM
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You might have accidently stumbled on an excellent 'blue pill' man test. The multiple answer question would be: Your fiance's best friend has organized a bachelorette party for her that will include two male strippers with experience in porn and escorting, and everyone will be drinking Tequila. Which of the following best represents your attitude? a) My girlfriend would never touch a stripper because she doesn't believe in utilizing sex workers even though she respects them; b) My girlfriend is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 08:47 PM
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I disagree. If you go to the subreddits where escorts and strippers share information on various issues, you'll see that a common theme is women lamenting the fact that its almost impossible to find decent men for LTRs. In the subreddits many veterans suggested staying away from regular dating and LTRs until a new career was found and then the sex workers could lie about their pasts. When I watched a number of interviews with porn models a few months ago, I was surprised a) at how well educated …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 08:10 PM
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I like your theme, OP, but I think it's oversimplified. Some of these guys are truly delusional and buy into the party line completely and totally. They're like communists and socialists in the 30s that refused to believe that the Soviet Union under Stalin wasn't a communist utopia. Some of these guys are making out like bandits with women because they're in the right environment (like a 65% women uni in a psychology program where the women will hook up with anyone in an egalitarian way - cause …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:43 PM
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Some of the blue pill guys appear to be consistent, some not. I like your point about the escorts. It would be interesting to get a bunch of blue pill guys, bring them to a bar, show a power point about a few women that had paid their way through uni by flying to Dubai to be escorts a few times a year to service wealthy Arab men, and then ask them if they'd be interested in a LTR with one of these ladies. After all the past is the past, and the ladies were simply following their independent agen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:32 PM
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Thanks for clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:37 AM
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Seems like there are a lot of very different subcultures that have their own customs and practices. You can see the differences of opinion even on this string. Going over the much bigger subreddits like r/dating the diversity is even more obvious. From a macro perspective it looks like chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:34 AM
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Most of the previous comments indicate that early sex (first through third meeting) is standard approach to any sort of connection (just sex, FWB, follow-up relationship), so logic would dictate that anyone waiting around longer is wasting his/her time. So why would a woman even attempt a dual strategy? Find a compliant/naive man that can be easily manipulated?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:26 AM
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What if you meet a woman at work or school or in a hobby? Same process? Also, it sounds like the first couple of hours are critical to everything that follows. Is it common to meet someone online and then hit it off, or is it more common to crash and burn either online or during the first couple of hours (no chemistry)?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:18 AM
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It seems like there's a great divide in terms of women's opinions on various subreddits - large numbers take your position and large numbers take the position that casual sex is great and they want it and are entitled to it. My impression (might be wrong) is that lots of the women unhappy with the casual sex approach have gone through a cycle or two of it and are unhappy with the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:10 AM
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What's the new strategy and why do you think it will/might work?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:02 AM
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Sorry to be slow, but what happens after the woman sorts through her inventory and determines one is best? Tries to nail him down, and if he resists, she goes for second best, and so on and so forth until someone is secured? Also, what if someone is relatively unpopular on social media? Does that mean they get discarded as a FWB once some recreational sex has been obtained, or simply kept hidden from friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:01 AM
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According to some here, you would have been unable to resist the threesome...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:15 AM
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Good luck obtaining what you seek.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:14 AM
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It sounds like you're more of an adventurous-LTR hybrid on the spectrum. Lots of people like you now, especially in major metropolitan areas. Might be the largest group of all, among men and women, at least in many places.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 05:54 AM
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Mostly true. I turned down a naked, beautiful woman coming into my bedroom (she was staying with me for a few nights). I also knew that she was partially crazy and it would fuck up a good friendship. Could I turn down a perfect sex robot with no human baggage or diseases coming into my room? Hmmm...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:13 PM
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Actually perfect example. My wife and I have enough money and time that we could travel to Europe several times a year but we're lucky to get there once a year even though we like it because there are so many hassles involved. Still getting over them losing our fucking luggage on the flight to Ireland last time we went. Lots of people watch porn because they don't have to deal with STIs, crazy women, crazy women's boyfriends, pregnancy concerns, moody women, moody women's fucked up schedules, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:08 PM
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Only partially agree. Plenty of men that can't get women to have sex with them have strange Disney views like you say. I've always been appalled and amused by that - they think women are saints or whatever. Also plenty of men like me, though. I've had girlfriends or a wife almost always from mid teens on but I don't like casual sex in almost all instances, and I've known other guys like me. I have zero Disney interpretations. I have been in numerous situations where I could have had sex from wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:55 PM
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This is a critical question. I don't believe that all women are engaging in hook ups and ONS but I believe that more women than men are for a variety of reasons. The blue pill types get pissed when this is suggested but there are obvious reasons for it. Take the example of twin 22 year old male and female from a very conservative family that have just graduated with engineering degrees and just broke up with their long-term girlfriend/boyfriend and want rebound/revenge sex with a few strangers. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:38 PM
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If you're looking at the other responses you'll see that there are other key factors like fears about potential STIs, lunatic women that allege rape or assault you or steal from you, unstable women that break down or begin to follow you in person or online, or perhaps worst - pregnancy resulting in parental obligations for decades. Also, many men have had casual sex that was really shit for a variety of reasons and it seems undesirable even with a good looking woman. Lots of us have to be at eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:18 PM
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Agreed. This is one area where many women are extremely ignorant about how men think and operate. Almost every guy I know from extremely conservative to totally easy-going and egalitarian ('sex positive' adventurer) despises women that do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:11 PM
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Yes that happens for men that are very good looking or high status. I've seen that repeatedly in numerous environments. I don't understand what that has to do with this thread, which is about men that either are never into casual sex or rarely into casual sex. There are many of them, just like there are lots of women that aren't into casual sex (normally or always).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:08 PM
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Interesting perspective. Cost/benefit...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:59 PM
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Good points but it appears that many women simply want casual sex now so its not just men. Many women on Reddit say that they're recovering from a toxic relationship or are simply done with the hassles of a boyfriend and want sex without any complications. Many other women on Reddit say that they've given up on OLD because there's too much emphasis on casual sex and not enough on LTRs...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:57 PM
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Curious about caused you to back off the most: your worries about becoming entangled with some women that potentially have lots of problems or a lack of desire to have sex with two semi-strangers? Some men simply don't want casual sex (original posting). Others are worried about known or potential by-products.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:49 PM
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Yes. Most people will try it if they have the opportunity, especially if people are drinking. Some religious people will resist. However, many will back off quickly when they realize what its all about. People who are in a very egalitarian environment who manage to hook up with great people and maybe even start LTRs will think its really good, even if they're LTR oriented. Some high schools and colleges are like that. Most environments aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:40 PM
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I disagree. What you describe happens a lot but there are large numbers of people that don't fit into this group. Most of the successful predatory guys I knew when younger were not interested in any kind of LTR and went years and years (sometimes decades) without deviating from their general strategies of only casual sex. Lots of women now have have dual track strategies that you can read about or see all over. I was reading one thread on r/dating a few days ago and I was amazed that women were …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:24 PM
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You sound a lot like a lot of women I knew back in the day and read about now in other subreddits. You cycled into one or more casual sex phases but generally were uneasy with it and wanted LTRs. Most guys I knew either evolved into an adventurer (goes with flow) or predator (manipulative) after some success with casual sex, never really wanted casual sex, or gave up after not getting any. But must be lots like you though...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:08 PM
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Correct, except that large numbers of women that aren't into casual sex try to go on the apps but then quickly become disillusioned and then give up on OLD. They either focus on real world dating, trying to take up new hobbies, etc. or withdraw completely from active dating. There are so many postings and comments in other subreddits by pissed off women that hate the pump and dump culture and but say they want LTRs...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:00 PM
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Many men, and women, are built like this. However, its too complicated for most people on Reddit to comprehend.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 08:54 PM
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Generally correct, although regular guys can be in the right place at right time, especially when bars or travel (e.g. Mexico during Spring Break) is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:15 AM
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If all women followed your pattern no one would ever bring up the 80/20 rule in dating/sex discussions. In places, communities, groups, etc. where most women share your attitude, 80/20 would obviously be irrelevant (referring to your other post). However, in many places, communities, etc. most of the women don't act like you as you can see from some other comments. Not sure I understand your second statement (not being bitchy). Why would you have higher standards for relationships when casual se…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:12 AM
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Don't let logic get in the way. Not many young women are thinking this stuff out...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:51 AM
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So true, especially for freshmen women at college. Like lambs to the slaughter...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:50 AM
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Good comments. There is a tremendous amount of simplification in these debates. Some men are able to obtain a lot of casual sex by doing not much of anything because they're good looking and high status. Some men are able to obtain a lot of casual sex by being very manipulative and outgoing. And apparently according to you some men are able to obtain a lot of casual sex use and provide coke and are charismatic. I suspect you're correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:42 AM
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Thanks for your comments. Had a good laugh from your 'willfully ignorant' reference. It definitely seems like people have very established opinions on certain things. I thought that my posting would be ignored or would have a few neutral or nuanced comments. I was very surprised at the 'you have no valid data' assertion (which is true, but no one has any good data as far as I can see) and the suggestion that I'm trying to bash women. I don't really see this as a 'battle of the sexes' type of iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 09:52 PM
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You might be right about the selection bias. I might have been delusional the whole time and might be misinterpreting everything. And I have no hard data to prove anything to anyone, so there's no use arguing it. Not sure what you meant when you said that I didn't know if each guy was wheeling 2 or 10 at once. No, I didn't track the movements of the people that I'm referring to. What I can tell you is this. Outside of LTRs, which is a whole different ballgame, I knew a few guys that were routine…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:08 PM
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Yes, the 80/20 rule is an extreme generalization and I have no idea what the true ratio is but I know that it's 10/90, 20/80, or 30/70 in many situations because I've seen it - both in viewing what younger generations deal with on Tinder and Bumble (I've actually seen accounts of younger males/females and been amazed) and what I've seen and experienced in bars and clubs in the 1980s and 1990s (usually as an observer since I'm a boring serial monogamist who's been with girlfriends or my wife sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 09:09 PM
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Not just Saudi Arabia. I suspect that the majority of marriages/LTRs in western Turkey, parts of Jamaica, Bali, and other locations with high levels of prostitution involving foreigners and/or female sex tourism also will have males with more past partners than the females. I wonder about places like Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland that have a very egalitarian, sex positive approach, and I have no idea how it all works out in places like Japan and South Korea where sexual activity seems to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 08:45 PM
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I trust certain types of data (births, marriages, STIs, etc.) but not most numbers I've seen on sexual behavior. Women lie and so do men. I threw out numbers with question marks as examples. Maybe they're totally wrong. Maybe what I've suggested is totally false. I'm only asking something on Reddit, not trying to argue a doctoral thesis or make public policy. I knew that if I posted this on certain other subs everyone would agree/support and that if I posted on certain other subs everyone would …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:53 PM
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Thanks for your comments. I have no data to studies to support or challenge what I wrote. I trust studies/data I've seen on births/deaths/marriages/STIs but not studies/data I've seen on sexual history/activity because it seems so different from everything I've seen and experienced. I lean this way after many decades of experience, observing people, reading extensively and especially now reading postings and replies in numerous Reddit subs. I readily agree that plenty of people have thought abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:35 PM
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Sorry title should read 'existence of two fairly distinct dating/sex markets'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 07:47 AM
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