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Uhm women also place blame on men for their insecurities with regards to body or other “impossible standards”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:20 AM
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Yeah I understood that it's intentional misrepresentation to deflect from the point
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:32 AM
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Well I didn't apologize for it since I felt I did no wrong but I did assuage her (tell her I didn't mean what she's saying I did, etc.). I think next time I'll just leave the analogy out and remain on target lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:30 AM
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Nono, I use direct words at first and usually resort to analogies when the person isn’t understanding me. I don’t have anything to plausibly deny. In my example, I am in fact saying she did something dumb and then claimed she did really well. Interestingly I find women will dish that out to you as a man and expect you to take it, for example my girl has said something like “stop being stupid and take this seriously!” I never take such high offense to things like that. I realize that the antic of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:08 AM
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Yeah a pot could be seen as worse than a chicken. We’re talking about an inanimate object with no consciousness at allll to speak of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:58 AM
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Well yeah those 2 seem to be the option. And you failing to understand the analogy or purposely misrepresenting it proves my point again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:56 AM
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Thank you for understanding. I can’t believe some of the women here legit proving exactly what I’m saying right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:55 AM
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For example, I’ve had women say shit to me like “isnt the pot calling the kettle black,” I never took it as a super offensive thing or took it as them calling me a literal pot (as dumb and ugly as one). I’ve had my girl tell me straight up “can you stop being stupid right now and take this seriously?” And I never took it super offensively. There’s some hypocrisy from women I find in that they expect to be able to dish it out and you should take it as a man but then they throw a fit if you remote…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:47 AM
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what I’ve come to understand thanks to some responses is that it’s an intentional thing women do to win an argument lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:40 AM
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I do, she was a straight A student… I’ve come to understand that it’s actually just intentional misrepresentation women tend to engage in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:24 AM
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WTF LOLL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:22 AM
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It was just a made up example. I've experienced this countless times with different women. What I've understood though is that women tend do this intentionally to misrepresent your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:21 AM
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How would I be an asshole? I've had women tell me "well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black," I didn't take to it emotionally or believe that they're literally calling me a pot? Nor do I believe they need to visit their idea of hell lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:18 AM
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I haven't experienced this issue with most men or female friends (especially in non-personal disagreements). I don't see how someone can interpret what is clearly an analogy to be literal. What I've concluded though is that women do this intentionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:15 AM
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Where the hell did you get that from? And its not an issue to say that you're claiming to be great at something which you're not. Especially if it's obvious. We all have moments where we can think we're better at something than we actually are, the difference is that a delusional narcissistic idiot would never come to recognize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:12 AM
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Again I just explained that I am speaking of this idea as a general case. An experience I’ve had with women before and in different scenarios and with different analogies. I’m not speaking of my girl specifically, she was just a reminder. Nonetheless I see no real problem with the examples I laid out in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:40 AM
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I do well with my male friends in more personal arguments. It just tends to be women especially within personal or emotional disagreements that this becomes an issue. The other issue is that women tend to make a disagreement more emotional/personal than it was to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:04 AM
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It's ok, it wasn't useless. Thanks though
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:42 AM
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Right I understand that with the "master key" analogy, I think it's stupid and sexist too but nonetheless I wasn't talking about those types of sexist analogies. I was mostly talking of analogies that relate to non-sex specific behaviors like the examples I gave.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:40 AM
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Of course it's not and I've also felt that it's not really that women don't understand these thing but intentionally choose to misrepresent them. The reason I point to the gender aspect is that I don't experience this with my male friends. So its a manipulative tactic then? This is a general topic, I don't want to discuss her specifically since she just reminded me of this is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:33 AM
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I don't get that one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:18 AM
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Well sure, that can be communicated though without taking it literally and making it out to be an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:15 AM
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Well it can or cannot be "degrading" depending on how it's used. Someone can say that as a an insult or they can say it to simply point out your behavior. I've had exes and friends say that to me but they were just calling out my hypocritical behavior... which it sometimes actually was, I usually never took offense to it as meaning that I am entirely a hypocrite but rather that I said or did something in that instance that was. There's a difference when someone is saying something in an insultin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:11 AM
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Read my edit in the OP. And yes in this example I'd be making that claim about the specific event and behavior. The issue is that it's taking literally in some ridiculous ways. I could say some shit like this with my guy friends and that doesn't mean I don't respect them, everyone has moment of stupidity or hypocrisy lol. Firstly I didn't use this analogy with her as it was an example and secondly yes I do respect and like my girl as a person, she does have a nice ass but that's not why I've sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:01 AM
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Yes I understand that very well, the issue is taking it literally, as I stated I wouldn't believe the person is calling me a pot in the literal sense. I understand that it's relating to my specific behavior but not my entire personhood being that of a pot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:53 AM
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I'm actually pretty good with my male friends/peers, and my female friends within non-personal disagreements. I don't find myself misunderstood like this in most other contexts but trust that if I found this to be the case then I'd definitely see it as an error in my communication skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:51 AM
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I'm actually pretty good with my male friends/peers, and my female friends within non-personal disagreements. I don't find myself misunderstood like this in most other contexts but trust that if I found this to be the case then I'd definitely see it as an error in my communication skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:51 AM
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The actual analogy was more tame since the one I used in my example was the first thing I could think of that didn't directly relate to any actual event so it ended up a bit silly lol. This was meant as a general point and not one solely about my current gf so I used an hypothetical example rather than a actual one. I was just reminded about this recently by her is all and I didn't want to share details of our argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:43 AM
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The actual analogy was more tame since the one I used in my example was the first thing I could think of that didn't relate to any actual event so it ended up a bit silly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:39 AM
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No an analogy would usually come up only further in to a disagreement as another shot at trying to get some understanding. After direct communication seems to fail is usually when I would employ an one. It's also not degrading similar to how "the pot calling the kettle black" isn't degrading. I wouldn't say "oh so you're calling me a pot?? Just a dumb ugly pot right?!," I can clearly understand that that is in reference to specific behavior and not my entire person-hood.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:35 AM
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No obviously I would be relating this to a specific event and not her entire personhood, as with any analogy or metaphor, they only go so far before they start being meaningless or imply the wrong thing. And again you're proving my point precisely
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:28 AM
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To be clear, this analogy is one I made up just for this post as I didn't want to share the details of the argument. To your point though, I don't think you're right since I basically ended up having to try and assuage her. My experiences in the past don't line up with it being a simple "double-check" either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:25 AM
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I mean that was an example I just made up and not one I actually used but nonetheless a woman could voice that she just doesn't like analogies rather than purposefully misunderstand it... btw does this mean you would hate if someone told you "the pot calling the kettle black" or other metaphors, analogies, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:11 AM
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That's the thing she understands shit perfectly fine when reading (she loves reading fictional novels), and was a straight A student in school. I've experienced this from other relationships with women too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:07 AM
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Yep, this is what I've started to think. Then I can end up being in the wrong still even though my point was valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:03 AM
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Yeah I agree, because I realized that women in my past would resort to this usually when it’s clear that I was making the most sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:55 PM
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So it’s just plain old manipulation that women tend to engage in?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:50 PM
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Nope, it’s not just her though, it’s something I’ve found to be generally true (as I stated in my OP). I already resolved the issue with her, but I was just reminded of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:49 PM
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Yeah that’s what I’ve started thinking honestly, because she understands it when reading a book, but somehow finds it difficult to understand when I use it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:47 PM
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In reality (I.e., not Reddit women), most women are going to hold to those views, even feminist/progressive women. Most “progressive” women I’ve met are only progressive in some areas but hold “traditional” views in others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:48 AM
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The mental gymnastics of feminism is something to behold my friend
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:44 AM
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Both are minuscule lol, sure one is rarer than the other but why should we care about one rare thing vs another. Also we don’t know about the whole world since data on boys with regards to rape in general (committed by women) isn’t really collected or even recognized in the first place. Even in the USA, this doesn’t fall under “rape” thanks to how it’s defined. I’m speaking mostly of USA stats, either way men in those countries still die younger than women in those developing countries. Even the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:11 PM
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Both are minuscule lol, sure one is rarer than the other but why should we care about one rare thing vs another. Also we don’t know about the whole world since data on boys with regards to rape in general (committed by women) isn’t really collected or even recognized in the first place. Even in the USA, this doesn’t fall under “rape” thanks to how it’s defined. I’m speaking mostly of USA stats,
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:09 PM
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What about women who don’t get pregnant? We’re talking about men and women as a group here. Yeah but the same can be said for men anyways. Don’t forget there’s been boys who were raped and forced to take responsibility for their rapist’s child.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:49 PM
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I said keyword, most , and I’m speaking of the current day. I am black myself and I love rap just to let you know. I am just aware that generally speaking, black people get a pass to be misogynistic, misandrist, racist, and homophobic more than others (especially white people).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:07 PM
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To be fair, it’s mostly rap music, black artists can get away with misogyny and being kinda homophobic too lmao (in this day and age)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:11 PM
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What do you mean intentionally? I don't think most women are thinking to themselves "ouu yeah, I could end up dying from pregnancy but it's fine I'll take on that risk." Most mother's I've known who intentionally got pregnant were absolutely stoked for it lol. I'd say it's the same with men choosing more physical and dangerous jobs too, they're not going into it thinking about the worst outcomes and all the bad ways it could end. Risk prone behavior (which men exhibit a lot more) actually discou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:56 AM
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I don’t get what you mean? Women and men make sacrifices to their body too, that’s my argument. Men’s and women’s sacrifices present differently for obvious reasons. Women who decide they don’t want kids and men who decide they don’t want family are a separate issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:07 AM
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….yeah even if they got into those jobs before marriage and kids, it doesn’t mean that it’s not to afford a better life for their eventual family. Haven’t you seen the recent issue with young men steadily leaving the trades? Part of that is driven by the fact that there’s no reason to waste your body and life toiling away for nothing. Most men can live off of very little money if they’re just providing for themselves lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:31 AM
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Yep, I think that’s another strong factor. We could be raising kids much cheaper and easier if we wanted to. Nowadays we make sure they’re supervised at almost all times, make sure they are seeing a doctor, make sure they are eating right, etc. Back in the days it wasn’t nearly this complicated but then again kids used to die on the regular 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:21 PM
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I don’t think you got my point, men can’t also decide how the economy and circumstances affect them. I’m not sure what you mean by “They can choose to stay in the job they were in,” that’s like saying “if you work at McDonald’s but that’s not enough to support your family, you have a choice to stay,”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:52 PM
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I don’t think you got my point, men can’t also decide how the economy and circumstances affect them. I’m not sure what you mean by “They can choose to stay in the job they were in,” that’s like saying “if you work at McDonald’s but that’s not enough to support your family, you have a choice to stay,”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:50 PM
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Yeah I agree? But doesn’t that refute your earlier point? Women can also choose to get abortions so they can control their pregnancies and choose to terminate…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:45 PM
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Women do get to choose getting pregnant too though… the same way men choose to go into dangerous fields… by your argument though, men don’t choose how the economy affects them and their family so it’s not their choice to get a dangerous job just to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:19 PM
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That’s because of better access to birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:31 PM
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Fathers do put their bodies in jeopardy, plenty of dads take on riskier jobs to provide a better life for their kids. More men die every year from workplace incidents than women die from the same + childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:57 PM
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Yeah I think you’re partially right, it’s also the culture though. The urban culture is too independent, we used to have more tight knit communities and this is often still the case in rural life. Now when you think of having kids, it’s just the wife and husband who are responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:55 PM
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Yeah, I think we need to create a better environment than what we have now for kids. We need an environment that is more community oriented, the urban life is too individualist and that puts too much pressure on people to be entirely independent. Our grandparents and parents are taken care of the system instead of working with us. In a way it’s also the culture because we think it’s weird when we hear of an Indian couple that have their grandparents living with them, but that is actually a much …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:53 PM
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Ehh even Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc have low birth rates. Most of them are lower than the US. People just don’t like having kids in the urban life. That’s really the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:13 PM
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I get what you mean, I think they share a lot of similar behaviours but are fundamentally different in their reasoning. They can also present in similar way at the outset. Similar to the difference between someone who’s disagreeable vs a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:34 AM
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No because the goal is the same in your example and that goal isn’t necessarily wrong. Assholes and people pleasers have the same end goal, they want to get what they want from you irrespective of your feelings and desires, whether that’s love, commitment, resources, etc. The goal is wrong in of itself but people pleasers just achieve it with fake “altruism,” so they seem more sympathetic. A better example is a scam artist and a robber, both want to get your money irrespective of your wishes. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:44 AM
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Thank you and yeah I definitely think so too. Often the message is that you can't make any generalizations about a group otherwise you're a terrible person who stereotypes and makes sweeping statements about how people have to be. It's kind of this false dichotomy that's presented to us when we have other options (like what we're talking about). I really respect your point about being an individual within a group, and I think that message needs more airtime. I've seen different data with regards…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:26 PM
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Yep, this reminds me of an ex with BPD. She'd do all these types of things and when, for example, she'd message me saying, "where are you, I miss you so much <3 <3," and I would respond to her with a "busy rn, ttyl," this would turn into getting the silent treatment and passive aggressive behavior when I see her until an argument unfolds where she accuses me of being with another girl at that time. She'd do all these crazy nice gestures, like buying me expensive clothes, shoes, cooking me surpri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:12 PM
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I have a dismissive avoidant style so I'd say you're right. The moment I see this kind of behavior is when I'd start ignoring calls and making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:48 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:46 PM
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Yeah I think this can probably work when it's reciprocated, but if it's just him doing this and she's not putting as much effort then he'll probably seem to desperate. It also depends on the stage of the relationship, doing this for a girl he just started dating vs his wife and mother of his kids is going to elicit very different responses (i.e., his wife will probably love it).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:41 PM
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I think generalizations can be very useful (including ones about gender) but it's an issue when people use it to be tribalistic. In conversations about life and experiences though, it's a very useful way to simplify the very complicated world and make statements about it. There's over 8 billion individuals on this planet so it would be impossible to know and make caveats for every single person in every statement you want to make about behaviour, experiences, life, etc. I think the issue stems f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:07 PM
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There’s a difference when someone has a position of authority over you 🤦🏾‍♂️ . In Canada the legal age of consent is 16 (age of adulthood is 18, drinking age is 19); even though that’s the case, a 16 year old cannot consent to an 18 year old who is their camp instructor, for example. That would still constitute as statutory rape. Even though the age difference is only 2 years, what matters is that the individual has a position of authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:39 PM
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Yeah, I think this is something many people don’t realize here. Everyone settles, my girlfriend is attractive to me but she isn’t the ideal girl I had in mind. I still don’t think less of her or think that I’m too good for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:07 PM
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Yeah nah, I think most women wouldn’t be happy as they think. I remember a feminist who tried living as a man and was shocked about it. I think her name was Nora.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:45 AM
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It’s usually women who advocate that sex work should be seen as legit work lol, by their logic it is female privilege. On the other hand, I see sex work in the same light that I see drug dealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:44 AM
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Newton was conceived by a man and also made a man thanks to his fathers Y chromosome. Well sure the same can be said for women too though… every woman needed a man to be conceived. No woman would achieve anything without a man. I never argued that women or men don’t need each other. All I’m saying is that men are crucial to our society and have/do contribute in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:15 PM
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I’m saying that Isaac newton contributing to the knowledge pool by founding modern physics and calculus which has completely changed the face of the world is contributing to our social, cultural, and technological evolution. Of course there are genius men who contribute to the gene pool and biological evolution on top of that, an example is Albert Einstein. Learning is easier than creating, if a man dies before reproducing but has created something no else has then he has passed something on eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:57 PM
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Impulsive and volatile, which is also why they are far more likely to encounter violence. The words imprudent and stupid work, too. Sure yeah I'd agree somewhat, although women are actually more emotionally volatile. What you're describing is something akin to the difference between arrogance and confidence. When men take dumb risks then yeah we could call it imprudent, stupid, impulsive, volatile, etc. but when men take smart risks then I'd call that something like ingenuity, innovative, creati…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:57 PM
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Yeah it actually does have something to do with evolution. Men have a greater variability of traits, this includes intelligence, this means there are more male geniuses out there (the ratio at 145 IQ is 9 men to 1 woman and it only gets exponentially larger the higher you go). On top of all that, risk taking (which is crucial to innovation) is a sexually dimorphic trait and not just in humans but many other animals too. Men are more risk prone since they’re more disposable, this makes them somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:14 PM
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Yes even those men lol. Plato, Nietzsche, Isaac Newton, etc didn’t have children yet their impact on the evolution of society is undeniable. Plenty of geniuses never had kids and are believed to have died virgins even. I am not trying to claim credit for primate evolution, I myself have done no such feat, just as there are individual women that have never given birth and don’t plan to. This doesn’t mean that women as a group can’t be largely credited for taking on the burden of gestation. Indivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:54 PM
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I don’t see what your point is though, still it means that men are needed for reproduction… sperm donors are still men. You still need men to produce that sperm. I mean I get that sperm is cheaper anyways and that’s why men make up for it by being high achievers and risk takers lol. Since men were less valuable sexually, they put their focus on building and innovating society. Hence men are still critical to the evolution of society, if we were like bonobos then chances are human society would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:56 PM
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It is possible since it’s the world we find ourselves in. We don’t have to entertain other Universes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:48 PM
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They’re not monkeys lol, that shows your lack of understanding. Chimps and bonobos are great apes like us, they have complex social dynamics. And yes chimps have learned to use and make tools themselves in order to hunt whereas bonobos haven’t really.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:46 PM
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Yeah I have and again most research shows that it's real. IQ for one is more variable amongst men and this is consistently found, look at this and this. Height is more variable in men and so much so that even though men on average are taller than women, the shortest people are still men... Strength is also more variable in men (this is one of our most sexually dimorphic traits) and so much so that some of the weakest people are still men, take a look at this chart here. Keep in mind that the ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:53 AM
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I provided evidence from this one. Read my second paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:34 AM
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I provided evidence in the form of our closest animal cousins. The chimps and bonobos. Their societies, dispositions, achievements etc. as a proxy for us. I also talked about human female social dynamics and why they don't foster innovation. Of course we are still talking about a what if but I'm providing evidence for why that would be the case based on actual observable facts. You're simply giving a what if based mostly on a whim. At the end of the day, if we go based on what has actually happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:25 AM
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Well sure I guess but that could only be for one a few generations at most before you'd need the new males to provide sperm. Men are more disposable but would still be necessary in the end lol. Also this disposability can be argued to make men more "valuable" on average since most innovations would probably come from them. I am not making that argument to be clear. Another doomsday scenario would also be that men at large use their overwhelming physical advantage to oppress women and turn them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:03 AM
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Yes I can provide evidence, I gave you actual reasoning based on behaviors and research that we know lol like how men dominate the higher IQ ends. It's not just a what if without any evidence to back it up. I explained the behaviors of bonobos compared to chimps and humans. I explained known male dispositions which lend themselves well to innovation. You just said: If we'd spent all the money and time that goes to guns, security systems, fights, police, jails, wars to find a cure for cancer we'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:49 AM
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LOL good one ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:38 AM
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Women waste most of their gametes too you know... they lose almost all of the millions they started out with by menopause lol. Nonetheless sperm donations are a modern innovation which again is driven primarily by male dispositions and still requires that a male produce those sperms in the first place. It still means men are required to impregnate women lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:38 AM
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Who’s to say we would spend all that money on a way to fight cancer? What if we spent it building resorts and other fun things to laze around all day? If bonobos are anything to go by, then this would probably be the result lol. You don’t know and you can’t know! Sorry you don’t like this. 😜😘
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 11:08 PM
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Yes I agree and that’s one of the reasons women needed men so much lol. Having to take care of a human infant which are very vulnerable for many years made men necessary. Male investment in the community and/or family was very much needed so women and infants wouldn’t have survived without it. And anyways babies can’t be made without men in the first place so yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 10:36 PM
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Nah tbh male variability is known to be pretty true. It’s found across the animal kingdom so this isn’t just true for humans. It’s mostly because of its controversial nature that it’s seen as “unsupported.” Most research that fails to support it is usually feminist research designed to mislead. Either by looking at a single facet where this isn’t the case or manipulating the numbers to downplay the reality. Male variability isn’t just a neurological/psychological phenomenon but a biological one …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 10:17 PM
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Yeah I didn’t say women couldn’t do those things though? Men and women need each other and always have lol. It’s always been a codependent relationship. All I was arguing is that men are more adept at the building and innovating part because of male physical strength, some neurological advantages, male variability, risk proneness, interest in things, etc. Women are still equally important to human society. Have you ever seen the bear grylls episode where women and men are separated and put into …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:44 PM
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Yes but I’m telling you that men are more adept and that research shows this with regards to gross motor coordination while women have the advantage on fine motor coordination. These are just average group differences which says very little about an individual. The 2 sexes (on average) go about solving problems differently but one form of problem solving may overall be more efficient and effective in a given context than another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:18 PM
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Huh? How does that relate to having wars though? I don't think wars are what prevent us from curing those things, I don't see how they are connected much lol, they're very complicated issues to solve so of course we haven't cured them yet. By your argument, in peace times, if most people would be doctors, biologists, and other medicine researchers, we would have cured cancer and alzheimer's by now... obviously this isn't the case. Even without wars, the vast majority of people aren't going into …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:09 PM
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I believe most research shows men as having an advantage in gross motor coordination while women have better fine motor coordination. This is probably due to sex based differences. Men also tend to have the advantage in spatial awareness. I think there are meta analysis showing these advantages so it's not just a single small study.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:54 PM
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Yes but the trend doesn't show that young men and women are equal since the women are outperforming men on many metrics so your comment would still be wrong. Maybe when you consider the older generation you'd be right but not when looking only at the younger ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:48 PM
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Well sure that's one way bonobos are more innovative then chimps and humans, but I think that you're forgetting just how many lives our innovations save though. We've practically eliminated death by starvation on this side of the world and think of all the lives we save now thanks to modern medicine. Most infants used to die due to nature once upon a time but that's not the case anymore, today it's incredibly rare. Yes but you do realize how many innovations come out of war right? Wars literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:43 PM
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Yes but males have an advantage there too, as I said On the topic of intelligence, while men and women have roughly equal average IQ, men dominate the extremes. This would mean that men would dominate the genius category. The fields you laid out usually require higher IQ individuals. Innovation usually needs risk taking, this is a sexually dimorphic characteristic, that doesn't mean that women never take risks but that women on average are more risk averse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:31 PM
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I never said smarter 🤦🏾‍♂️ I said better gross motor coordination, women on the other hand have better fine motor coordination. On the topic of intelligence, while men and women have roughly equal average IQ, men dominate the extremes. And you quote me saying “more benefits to male physiology” which is an obvious fact. Men are stronger on average and out perform women in almost all physical sports. This clearly is advantageous when talking about heavy lifting which is commonplace in blue collar …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:23 PM
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I explained this in my other comment but here “Male intrasexual competition is the primary reason that innovations occur. Look at bonobos where the females dominate the males, those societies are very lazy and they have barely innovated new ways to hunt; they’re like hippies basically. Look at chimps on the other hand, the males compete a lot more and are dominant, they innovate and have even built hunting tools and new techniques; of course they’re hyper violent too which is the downside. Human…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:11 PM
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Yea and even with those tools, men have a neurological advantage in gross motor coordination. This would still make men more adept at using things like excavators. I’m not saying women aren’t capable, I said women aren’t as adept. I explained this more in my comment to the OP directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:09 PM
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But women can’t impregnate neither? And no I never said women can’t participate in that, it’s just that males would be the primary innovators nonetheless. Male variability is to blame. I wrote about it in detail in my comment to the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:00 PM
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Men are physically stronger than women; the average man is stronger than 95% of women. This alone should be enough to explain to you why men would be more adept at doing things that are physically taxing. There’s loads more benefits to male physiology that makes it easier to lift heavy things and for longer periods of time (They have larger lungs for one).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:52 PM
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Yes but how does this connect to what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:48 PM
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Male variability and the hounds of data surrounding it is a start. This is crucial to innovation. Men’s physical strength allowed them to build things much easier especially before the advent of modern technologies. Women aren’t incapable of doing these things but just not nearly as adept. I wrote about this more in depth in my comment to the OP directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:46 PM
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I’m not saying women were not involved, men are involved in procreation but clearly women take on the brunt of it in the form pregnancies. The reverse can be said about innovation and building of things. Women primarily nurtured the people of society while men primarily nurtured the things of society. Both are very important and we wouldn’t be here if they didn’t do their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:43 PM
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Yeah I never said women didn’t do anything or didn’t forage. Both men and women have been necessary for societies, that is indisputable. The egoism that exists in red pill, feminism, and pink pill are all wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:39 PM
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Lmao but the same can be said for men too? They’d survive without women in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:35 PM
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You do realize that women depended on men significantly more before all the innovations that men made to create a safer environment. Hunter gatherer societies still heavily depended on men and probably more than our modern day societies. Even with your example, you are forgetting just how heavy and investment human offspring are compared to both bonobos and chimps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:11 PM
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Lmao you do realize you needed a man more before all those innovations right… they’re what allowed women to be providers and independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:06 PM
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Well yes, men building and innovating is the primary reason societies have evolved so drastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:48 PM
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I’d agree that they over inflate it. I think feminists like to under inflate it too though. The truth in this case is somewhere between them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:46 PM
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Men aren’t used to that? How would young men be used to a world they didn’t live in… lmao do you believe in genetic memories or some pseudoscience like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:44 PM
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Male intrasexual competition is the primary reason that innovations occur. Look at bonobos where the females dominate the males, those societies are very lazy and they have barely innovated new ways to hunt; they’re like hippies basically. Look at chimps on the other hand, the males compete a lot more and are dominant, they innovate and have even built hunting tools and new techniques; of course they’re hyper violent too which is the downside. Humans sit somewhere between them. We benefit massiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:36 PM
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Male intrasexual competition is the primary reason that innovations occur. Look at bonobos where the females dominate the males, those societies are very lazy and they have barely innovated new ways to hunt; they’re like hippies basically. Look at chimps on the other hand, the males compete a lot more and are dominant, they innovate and have even built hunting tools and new techniques; of course they’re hyper violent too which is the downside. Humans sit somewhere between them. We benefit massiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:47 PM
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I don’t protect or advocate for patriarchy lol. I am a liberal but I just don’t look at the patriarchy through the lens that feminists like to. Patriarchy isn’t inherently evil or bad and it had its uses at a certain point in time. Of course it had its negatives along with positives given the environment our ancestors found themselves in. Women also benefited from the patriarchy or else it probably wouldn’t have formed. We no longer need patriarchy thanks to modernity and all of its innovations.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:44 AM
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Lmao you’re forgetting the likes of queens and princesses. And yes elite women did have power over society (maybe not as much as their male counterparts), they’re not the powerless individuals that feminists like to paint them as. You completely forget that a substantial number of slave owners were white women so tell me how they didn’t benefit from the conquests of white men? They clearly partook in it when it suited them. There’s records of white female slave owners who’d rape their black male…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:56 AM
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It’s impossible for anyone to win honestly. If a man only wants to fuck then he’s a player/fuckboy, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:12 AM
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There’s a correlation between health/longevity and conscientiousness too though (big five personality trait)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:40 PM
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It’s probably that more responsible men are more likely to get married and also stay married successfully. Conscientiousness is positively correlated with marriage stability, health, financial success, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:53 AM
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Femcel detected
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:50 AM
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Lmao you didn’t see the unhinged framing of the person he responded to? Blue pillers and red pillers are really one of a kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:49 AM
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Nah, they just realize they have more responsibilities than just them. Having kids also has that impact and maybe even more so. In other words even if the wife doesn’t “mommy”/“nag” them, they still know that they’re directly responsible for the lives of others now so they make safer choices with regards risks and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:45 AM
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No man, I already explained this was the case in the 1970s US. I don’t know about your country but maybe go research before you say something ignorant. I never said more men weren’t prone to homicide 🤦🏾‍♂️ maybe read what I said. Wives were killing husbands almost as much as the other way around in the 1970s (USA). it was also known that wives were killing husbands nearly as much as the other way around I never said women were killing men at similar rates. You claim I refute reality but go on to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:25 PM
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Read my response to the other comment^
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:36 PM
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Naww I’m saying that women and men can shame men on that idc because it can be funny given a scenario. I just hope when it’s the reverse situation no one complains either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:35 PM
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Honestly I don’t care about all those so long as women don’t whine and cry when it’s their turn
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:20 PM
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The "side of the coin" you wanted me to talk about. Your own words. They "took care of someone's daughter," remember? I don't usually fuck my responsibilities. It wasn't some grand selfless noble gesture on behalf of men to "take care of" these daughters. They got burdened with money, domestic and sexual servitude Lmao so you don't fuck your spouse? They're partly our responsibility since they become a part of our family but yet we fuck them. You said in your other comment that women were bought…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:44 AM
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The "side of the coin" you wanted me to talk about. Your own words. They "took care of someone's daughter," remember? I don't usually fuck my responsibilities. It wasn't some grand selfless noble gesture on behalf of men to "take care of" these daughters. They got burdened with money, domestic and sexual servitude Lmao so you don't fuck your spouse? They're partly our responsibility since they become a part of our family but yet we fuck them. You said in your other comment that women were bought…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:43 AM
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No lmao, I don't think you understand what a dowry is clearly,. You're under the assumption that fathers wouldn't care for their daughters, this is simply not true, paternalism is very real and always has been. It's the very reason feminism was successful in the first place. You talk about sexual slavery and domestic slaves, women owned their own too historically (e.g., white women owned slaves, they bought, traded, and sold them as active participants). I am not saying that some wealthy men did…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:42 AM
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Yeah I think men are more prone to being reclusive and are easily addicted to things like video games and internet, this is probably a mal-adaptation that affects men more, similar to how anxiety disorders affect women more. I think society's setup in the past kind of forced men out into the world and made them learn to socialize which was healthy but now the internet brings an easy escape and that harms them. Maybe we need to create a men's club of sorts, where dudes can go hiking, biking, gami…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 11:31 PM
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No, I didn’t. You are under the assumption that a woman doesn’t want the marriage at all. You are under the assumption that the man wants the marriage too. From how I understand your point then, many many men and women have been raping each other since they’d often had their families arrange their marriages. You’re also forgetting the fact that women had influence on those choices of partners, women would influence their sons and husbands. I never said she does nothing for the husband, so does h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:25 PM
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I agree with you on that but the issue with feminist philosophy is that it’s taken as fact and used to create legislation, company/institutional policies, studies to suite a narrative, etc. The other issue is that perspectivist philosophies (like feminism) basically do away with trying to achieve objectivism in the first place. Look at one of my previous posts and you’ll see problems that arise when the WEF applies feminist principles to their studies. I can entertain and learn something from, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:08 PM
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I never said women agreed to be raped or forcefully impregnated. That is a misnomer, someone can't agree to be raped and that includes a man. Men didn't agree to be poisoned, killed, or raped by a woman either. Infants don't ask for their mothers to murder them either. Why don't you talk about men being paid a dowry to take care of someone's daughter? Why only look at one side of the coin? Women are a part of our sexual selection and as a matter of fact had a major role to play in shaping our so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:34 PM
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It isn't hypothetical though, they are used in that way by many who espouse those ideas, this includes a Women's Studies professor I'd debated (it was an elective course I took). The issue isn't that some parts of these ideas haven't been observed or aren't real, in fact that's precisely a part of the problem. They use nuggets of observable/measurable facts but then interpret them in a way that suits their conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:59 PM
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I made my points, who said anything about red pill? I’m not red pill/black pill nor am I talking about male loneliness, I got my family and friends so I’m good on that front, thanks for your worries lil bro. You make bold presumptions about my ideological beliefs🤦🏾‍♂️. I am a left wing liberal who believes in gender and racial equality, equality of rights, equality of opportunity, equality of responsibilities. I think 1st, and 2nd wave feminism was absolutely beneficial to women and overall a gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:03 PM
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Sorry, I just saw this but yes they are anyways. Almost unfalsifiable was just me being nice, the reality is that it is. There’s no way to falsify modern day feminist thinking unless you realize how ridiculous the arguments are. This is the same as religion. It’s unfalsifiable and that’s what makes it clearly stupid in the first place. The thing about feminism is that it’s a lot less outlandish in its claims so it makes itself seem more rational when it’s really not. By your argument, God is rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:39 AM
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If a woman lies about being on the pill too, my ex actually tried this shit with me man but luckily I noticed her pills hadn’t been taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:37 AM
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I never said women are only valued for that, I don’t believe that and I don’t believe men should only be valued for their production either. We live in a time of privilege where we don’t have to hold to those gender roles. This is thanks to modernity and the innovations that come with it. You’re clearly not arguing in good faith and are not willing to engage with some of my points just because so that’s all. Thanks and have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:54 PM
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Yes that happens too, usually because she’s very hot and something exceptional too like she’s an actor, model, etc. so she’s highly desired by a lot of men. That’s a way to increase his overall status since he gets the woman that everyone is lusting for. You see this with Machine Gun Kelly for example, he got Megan Fox and that made so many men respect him since she was a woman they’ve dreamed of getting themselves. If he got a woman that looked as hot as her, probably has a smaller n-count but …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 10:11 PM
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I never said or implied anything close to "came from nowhere, completely in a vacuum," I precisely showed you how the opposite was true. It's like you didn't read my comment. Women couldn't partake in society the same way while fulfilling their end of the bargain so to speak. Societal norms (that includes laws/government) reflected those realities I expressed in my other comment. Oh lord, men and women don't care about replacement rate at an individual level of course, no man (or woman) goes "I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:39 PM
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Yes it did because again, women couldn't partake in society the way men could so certain social standards became a reality. Women used to have to be pregnant from a young age because just for 2 kids to make it into adulthood (replacement rate), she had to give birth to 6-7. That's on average btw and imagine if you want population growth on top of that (3+ kids make it into adulthood). Then take into account that before the likes of formula milk and all of that stuff, women needed to breastfeed (…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:19 PM
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Do you know what the beliefs of anti suffragists were? Here you go, this is the feelings of the so called oppressed from a washington post article:
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:56 PM
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I don't disagree with that, I view all of it as wrong anyways. Nonetheless they don't hold women equally accountable of course. Why isn't it toxic femininity instead of internalized misogyny? Clearly one places more responsibility on the actor rather than society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:40 PM
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Well to be fair, women take more into consideration honestly. Your first impression and how you approach can take you from a 3 to a 6/7, game is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:24 PM
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How are they being used in that case? That's like sugar daddies saying they're getting used because all the women around them just want their money. Don't lead with things that will attract certain types of people, men or women included. I agree and believe you that he was a scumbag. I don't think it's uncommon for men or women to lie. If even 30% of the population does this then most of us can experience multiple situations where we are used for money, sex, relationships, etc. I've experienced …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:21 PM
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Wait I never said the interest only ends after sex? I mean if that's the case then he likely only wanted sex. Most men who can afford to date can afford to just pay an escort, so your argument is also weak. Even if most women don't need men's money to survive, doesn't mean there aren't women who don't like using them. If I make money myself but I can get another person to cover my expenses or buy me things and I don't reciprocate, that's still beneficial to me in the end isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:07 PM
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Yes I actually agree with you there as I usually don't go on dates if it's purely causal; to be fair, some women also expect that you take them on a date, especially if it's OLD because of safety concerns. Just like I said though, most men who are taking you out on dates are probably open to a relationship with you but after getting to know you, they don't like you for one reason or another. The OP talks about a woman's body turning them off but I don't think that's the reason most often, instea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:00 PM
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As I said I wouldn't do/say things that I believe would insinuate a relationship if I wasn’t open to one. edit: what some women don't get is that most of the time a guy is open to one, but after getting to know you, he realizes he isn't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:45 PM
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Did you read this part: You can tell a woman you're trying to fuck while flirting with her, as I said, I wouldn't just straight say "you, me sex" or something like that. That might not put you off but many women wouldn't like that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:42 PM
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Did you read this part: Of course I wouldn’t lie about my intentions if asked or do/say things that I believe would insinuate a relationship if I wasn’t open to one You can tell a woman you're trying to fuck while flirting with her, as I said, I wouldn't just straight say "you, me sex" or something like that. That might not put you off but many women wouldn't like that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:41 PM
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I never said there aren't men who lie, I agree with you on that, there are people who lie to you for relationships, sex, money etc. and you should do what you can to protect yourself from that. I'm just saying that's not the majority reason, most women who don't want to go on a second date weren't using the man for a free dinner, they just didn't like him, same thing in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:38 PM
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Listen if a man says he wants something but he is lying to have sex with you, I get it. That is a very scummy thing to do but that isn’t most men. Most women aren’t lying to get money, free dinners, etc from men either but of course those types exist. Most of the time that isn’t the case though. Men are usually open to relationships, this means a man desires to have sex but can also be open to the possibility of a relationship. A lot of times you learn later on that you’re not interested in a gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:24 PM
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Well yes I just want it to be clear it’s his idea, no one should have their credit stolen from them 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:07 AM
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Ah I see, this is still pretty common here in some ways. Go to r/JUSTNOMIL 😂 Where are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:36 AM
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Well at the time women got the right to vote, it was mostly elite women fighting for that right, those women had connections to society through their male relatives. Men heard those complaints and addressed them. A lot of feminism was really currying up support from other women, nonetheless they still got the right even with a minority of women in support of it. Here is a piece of a Washington post article that describes some of the sentiment anti-suffragist women had They felt women could bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:22 AM
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Your argument doesn't make sense then, there are users on both sides but does that mean that most men or most women are trying to simply use each other for money or sex? In my experience I think men are generally open to a relationship if they like you enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:48 AM
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What basic decency are you talking about? While I don’t like a lot of the tone in the writing and some of the points, I do believe there’s some truth here. I find women often make bold assumptions about a man’s intentions simply because he is interested in them. I’ve seen this in my own personal experience and also from my female friends. They’d tell me some stuff about a guy they’re seeing and I’d ask them “did he say he’s looking for a relationship?” And they’ll usually only answer that they f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:45 AM
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I think he probably used it to fix grammar. You guys know that chatgpt works well to fix grammar and clarify your writing right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:34 AM
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Women also brag about using men, using men for money, dinners, women also use men by flirting with them and getting favours lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:30 AM
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Lmao that’s because the men have to get liked in the first place, unless he’s really good looking which might be different. I usually have to flirt, make jokes and show interest in her personality further than just “you, me sex” because that would put most women off. Of course I wouldn’t lie about my intentions if asked or do/say things that I believe would insinuate a relationship if I wasn’t open to one. Another thing in my experience, is that I might’ve liked a girl initially but after a bit …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:20 AM
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Yes but you're neglecting all the benefits women had in society. You look at one and ignore the other or just explain it as benevolent sexism. Your argument is off point though anyways since I am talking about feminist thinking as a concept. I never said anything about women not wanting to fuck me or fucking in the first place, I don't know why you have "me wanting to fuck" on your mind in an intellectual conversation lol. Seems like you have some dark corners there bud, maybe get a grip of your…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:24 AM
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What? You’re clearly misrepresenting a lot. There are boys who are forced to take responsibility for their rapists child. There are women who lie to men about being on birth control. Men can take proper precautions and still the condom fails or she lied (which is technically rape). If we have sympathy for women who are put into similar situations and that’s an argument for women to have a choice then the same should apply to men? Even then your ability to choose directly affects a man’s life and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:50 AM
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Are there financial reasons in those cultures? Often times it’s done for reasons of financial. And yes Mom’s often had strong influence on their husbands and sons, this is one of the reasons feminists were successful. I’m not sure about every culture out there so I’m mostly going off western history.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:44 AM
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Paying money has to do with the process of freedom. If the idea is that women should have the freedom to control their bodies and hence their reproduction then men should also have the freedom to control their bodies (aka no repercussions like jail time for not paying up child).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:34 AM
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Yeah I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 11:10 PM
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Exactly man, I had an ex that I needed to constantly validate or she felt like shit was wrong. I would tell her what you said but she still couldn’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 11:08 PM
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Yep I can see why you’d find that unattractive in men. I find it annoying too when a girlfriend is constantly seeking validation of her looks, her worth, etc. don’t even get me started on shit tests 😂.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 11:06 PM
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Yes it does make their claims unfalsifiable lol, you can't disprove the idea that God created everything 10000 years ago. What evidence can you provide? Bones and fossils that date further back? God put it there. Cosmological evidence? God created the universe in a state that simply looks to us to be 13.8 billion years old but in fact it's not. Imagine if I created an replica of you using using some futuristic tech, that replica would technically look to be your age but in fact it is a newborn. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:58 PM
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I explained in my other comment to you. Their interpretation frameworks make disproof almost impossible since there's no evidence that can't technically be accounted for. There are different types of unfalsifiable claims out there. Young earth creationist beliefs are also impossible to disprove, that's what makes it obvious that they're just bullshitting. There is plenty of evidence against their beliefs but all of it can be explained away, it's a pointless debate. The only difference between yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:16 PM
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Think of it like this, their interpretations are almost unfalsifiable since they don't lend themselves to disproof. Any and all evidence that would make the initial claim very questionable can be explained away. Of course they're not completely unfalsifiable like the claim that a flying spaghetti monster created the Universe and everything in it. They're a lot less outlandish and present some level of intellectualism. Their claims, definitions, and models are vague by design since it makes dispr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:05 PM
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Yes but the claims that arise from that are inherently heavily biased then and far from the truth. You can follow a religion and believe anything, you can be a young earth creationist or a flat earther but these ideas should not be used as legitimate arguments then. If you already have a conclusion then you don't believe in evidence, you believe in your own interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:52 PM
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Of course it's not unfalsifiable if you simply follow the evidence and let it guide your opinion as much as possible but the feminist frameworks of thinking make themselves inherently unfalsifiable similar to a religion except they present an air of intellectualism. It is practically unfalsifiable if any and all evidence against their claims can be explained away. It's really not that far from Christians who claim that God is omni-benevolent but then when you point out that there are horrible di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:44 PM
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But there is evidence to the contrary is what I am saying. Women got safety and investment from men in return. Those social structures could very well be shown to actually have been oppressive to men since you're ignoring the responsibilities (and hardships) that came with being a man and the benefits that women had over men. The same argument can be made that women dominate, oppress, and exploit men by using them to acquire resources without taking on the risks that come with it. This is where …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:21 PM
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Of course there were inequalities across men and women that went both ways, men had certain privileges along with responsibilities that came with it, women had other privileges with corresponding responsibilities. I never said those claims are inherently unfalsifiable obviously since they're testable and easily provable. I am talking about all the argumentation that is used to make feminist frameworks (and their interpretations) true and how vaguely defined they are. Read this definition of patr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:59 PM
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I'm not talking about fringe minorities, of course there will always be extreme opinions within any group about almost any number of things. I am also not talking about racist white people and all that. I am talking about black people themselves, as I said women (themselves/not being forced to) often choose/desire to be a stay at home mom. If that life was so oppressive as you claim then no woman (except some fringe minorities of course) would ever want anything to do with it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:35 PM
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Yes I know what you're saying. Women were forced to be in the home (no choice), how comes when they are given a choice, many still choose/desire to be in the home? Do you see where I'm going with this? You don't see the same with regards to African americans and the irish for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:20 PM
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Yes I can, if I pull out a bunch of randomly collected human hearts and find that (on average at least) they don't have 4 chambers. Your hypothesis is very easily testable and not vague, it's about the measurable and very tangible world. I describe this in my OP: I believe this quote perfectly describes feminist theory even more so than the soft sciences (psychology, sociology, etc) which is what he is using as an example. In cases such as benevolent sexism, internalized misogyny, toxic masculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:15 PM
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No I don't, I actually think they're almost opposite each other. I don't believe claims that are unfalsifiable since then I'd have to believe outlandish claims as well like: the universe and everything you know about it, yourself, and others all came into existence Last Thursday (i.e., Last Thursdaism); the flying spaghetti monster created the universe and everything in it, he expects we worship him by eating pasta on every Sunday, if you don't he'll punish you after you die. I can't disprove th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:05 PM
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Dude, you benefit from those taxes very immediately lmao. Who maintains/builds your roads/highways, sewers, electricity, schools, pipelines, healthcare (depending on your country) etc.? You think that's magic as you use your device which you charged with electricity. Do you know how many technological advancements were made due to government spending that you probably used (some within the last day)? Hint: internet, GPS, microwaves, jet engines (the ones used on commercial airlines), etc. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:58 PM
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Yes but those are different even then, there’s a difference in having the choice to have a job since no one is forcing you anyways, you could live in the wild if you want. But personal relationships are a completely different ball game lol. Work is simply business (impersonal). I think what governments/society could do is redesign the urban life to be more welcoming to personal relationships and family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:31 PM
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Oh my apologies then, I didn’t know what you were insinuating. Could you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:22 PM
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Yep, hence I don't believe any unfalsifiable claims. I was practically seeking to show that since it's unfalsifiable by their own argumentation process then it's invalid. Like me claiming that the flying spaghetti monster created the Universe and everything in it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:13 PM
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I provided you evidence with regards to happiness levels. You deny my evidence but see yours as valid. You could be a slave if you choose too same as being a stay at home mom, no one is stopping you from that but no one can force you into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:56 PM
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I never said it was, as I said, groups like African Americans who were truly oppressed were less happy then in absolute terms and less happy compared to their oppressors as you’d expect given said dynamic. Women weren’t though as I explained. Yeah plenty of women still choose/desire to be stay at home moms (at least for the first few years) but you don’t see black people choosing/desiring to be slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:49 PM
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There are emotional and psychological means to oppress someone. As far back as the 1970s data shows that women were also equal partakers in domestic violence. That’s the earliest that we started doing those studies. It also shows wives were killing their husbands almost as much as the other way around. It doesn’t seem like oppression when you also factor in that women were happier at those times while men were sadder lol. What oppressed groups were happier when they didn’t have freedom and on to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:40 PM
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Well yes it was kind of a part of it in a sense
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:22 PM
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No I’m not, who’s advocating for all of that? What men advocate for that except some fringe groups? There are feminists who advocate to kill all men or recently I saw one asking for men to have forced curfews. I’m not judging based on fringe groups here. BelieveAllWomen and everything surrounding that was clearly a fight against men’s right to due process. A woman can make any claim and she should be believed and the man punished for it. She could’ve wanted sex with you last night but now she fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:21 PM
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Yes it did, with #BelieveAllWomen and the ideas that encircled that lol. It meant that a woman could make any claim about you and she should be believed and you punished for it. Let’s stop being disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:17 PM
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Women have very good reason to oppress men which happens to be in their primary interest—resources
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:13 PM
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The human race would go damn near extinct lmao 😂 it wouldn’t work in that way. Women judge men based off more attributes so yeah it can’t work simply off looks. We would also lose a lot of attributes that make the human race better, like intelligence, if we went that route. I approached and made a move on my girl, no way she would’ve payed attention to me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:44 PM
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Men have more to lose in relationships actually lol. Why do you think women are usually the ones pushing for more commitment lmao Women do talk about taking men’s rights away, I recently saw a feminist asking for men to have forced curfews.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:07 AM
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There definitely have been women who advocate to take men’s right away. Think back just to the metoo movement with many women basically asking for men’s right to due process be taken away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:42 AM
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Yes there is lmao. Plenty of feminists have advocated for voiced extreme things like forced curfew for men and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:40 AM
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Honestly it never would work. Most men are simply not attractive enough for this to be employed. If you look at how women rate men on average compared to the other way around, you’d see the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:38 AM
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I think sooner or later they’ll die once enough people stop liking them. They’ve recently been slowly losing support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:55 AM
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Yep, most of those things create unfairness because some don’t like it when women don’t do what feminists want. “Why aren’t you going to STEM? Must be sexism thereby we need quotas.” Lmao it’s so ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:54 AM
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Yeah I agree, nobody should be able to force another person to be in a personal relationship, I’m not sure what he’s going on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:51 AM
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precisely how I view it. It's a secular religion that women took up and is just as dogmatic as any other except it tries to sound intellectual but it's not in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:12 AM
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Yes I made points about ambivalent sexism frameworks. I should have said feminist thinking rather than theory since I wasn't criticizing a specific brand like intersectional, liberal, radical, or marxist feminism. Yes I know the difference between them, I am familiar with the works of bell hooks with regards to intersectional feminism. Though I am meaning to talk about feminist thinking in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:09 AM
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I am not talking about 1st, 2nd wave feminism but modern feminist thinking of course
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:01 AM
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I don't believe it is helpful for men to be clear. I believe it has harm for women and men in different ways but that women are equal parts beneficiaries in other ways. Thanks to modernity though we can relinquish much of that. The 1% part is where you are incredibly wrong lmao. It arose due to biological realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:58 AM
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Ok, I see all of this but question is who and what creates the patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:50 AM
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I was clearly using that as an example to my point about societal concepts. Imagine if I talk about Newton's law of gravitation and I say "the gravitational force acts on objects to pull them together, so for example that's why people fall down, because they attract the Earth and the Earth attracts them" then you go "just stop falling down, all you have to do is move carefully, look around you and you won't get hurt." You'd be having a completely different conversation as you can see. I am not u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:47 AM
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Yeah I know. In the modern day most are choosing parenthood and jobs. I’m clearly talking about the past. That choice wasn’t there for men and women before. Thanks to modern innovations and 2nd wave feminism that’s not the case anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:36 AM
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Women can too? They don’t have to get pregnant or give birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:34 AM
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Patriarchy doesn't care about men's feelings? "Patriarchy is a political-social system that insists that males are inherently dominating, superior to everything and everyone deemed weak" as described by bell hooks. What and who makes that sociopolitical system?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:31 AM
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What evidence can be provided to disprove the claims of feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:22 AM
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Should I? don't you think I'll get banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:18 AM
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Should I? don't you think I'll get banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:18 AM
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Women refusing to be victims? I literally explain how feminist thinking is precisely opposite that. Did you not read what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:17 AM
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LMAO I literally used it to fix my grammar obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:15 AM
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Yes it is used to write up legislation, feminist organizations using feminist frameworks of thinking are responsible for many laws regarding rape, domestic violence, marriage/divorce, custody, etc. I don't think you read the quote, it applies to any theory. If you define a theory to be vague enough then you can easily create any explanations for observed events to reconcile them with your theory. I never pitted them against each other, I just pointed out on a side note that they have causal inco…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:13 AM
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Well obviously I did if you take my arguments as facts but of course feminist arguments can inherently nullify any of them. All of it can be explained away and still remain seemingly coherent even if absurd. In a similar vain to "the flying spaghetti monster created the universe and everything in it," but maybe less fun LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:02 AM
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Those were based on expectations to provide obviously 🤦🏾‍♂️ that’s like saying women choose to raise children because they wanted to pass on their genetic line
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:00 AM
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Women were different from oppression that happened to minorities. First off, minority disadvantages never went both ways lol. What benefits did slaves have over their masters? What benefit did jews have over the nazis?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:54 AM
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I think the dating apps since it's Tinder are probably mostly just men looking for sex honestly lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:38 AM
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Interesting, can I know where you get these stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:32 AM
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No I didn't because you're not adding to this conversation, you're making leaps that don't even make sense given the context. It's like if I started talking about Newton's laws of gravitation as a concept and someone goes "if you don't want to be pulled down then just shut up and learn to fly a plane." You made a number of statements that I never even said then gave advice to your own presumptions. It's like you're having another conversation here, unless you commented on the wrong post and this…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:20 AM
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You don't seem to follow me. He is right, men and women adapt differently to a given environment. You are comparing environments before agriculture and after then using that to invalidate my argument when it actually reinforces it. Women didn't have those rights because of carryover from patriarchal societies that had arisen primarily due to biological reasons. You can look at feminism as an adaptation to a new environment where women could partake. Think of it like an update to social norms tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:02 AM
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You quite literally accused me of "bitching and moaning" then talk about the PPD rules lmao. You aren't debating me at all are you serious? You misrepresent all my points, and switch the subject to a personal one, then say personal attacks are against PPD rules... Men have free will so what’s the problem? You don’t want to let women and children go first then don’t. You don’t want to do a dangerous job then don’t. Stop bitching and moaning, make the best decisions you can for your own life and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:45 AM
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Are you ok? I never said I was pressured to do anything more than any woman was. Did you even understand anything here LMAO? This is clearly talking about society in general and feminist philosophy as a concept. I think you lack the capacity to understand how to debate ideas such as those. Maybe read some books or take a course in the philosophy of critical thinking as that might be useful so you learn how to debate things in the abstract rather than the personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:32 AM
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No but he's right. It may not be the end all be all as you say, I'd agree with that but it's the biggest reason. Men and women adapt to socio-ecological factors and those changed based on what environment you're talking about. So yeah hunter gatherer societies was in a different environment, once agriculture came into play, humans had to adapt. Men and women adapt differently to the same environment and hence gender roles come into play. Thanks to modern medicine, birth control, and other innova…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:20 AM
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What are you talking about? Who's bitching and moaning? Have you never had a debate about ideas LOL? Maybe stop getting so emotional and add to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:10 AM
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Only partially true, I believe most models of hunter gatherer society have women primarily as gatherers while men are primarily hunters (especially for big game). So even then there were gender roles. Men still served as the protectors (against predators) in those societies too if I'm not mistaken
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:07 AM
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That's precisely how I view it, I don't impose my ideological feelings into it but just see it for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:57 AM
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Uhmm what are you going on about? Maybe get some help and calm yourself down buddy. Women engage in bullying just in different ways to men lol , one of the causes of teen girl suicide is bullying by other girls. Men do protect women, go watch those social experiments and you'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:47 AM
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Yes but that claim is unfalsifiable too, what proof can you give me that I can't simply explain away? Nonetheless I see what you're trying to say. The issue is that feminism clearly doesn't make such an outlandish claim but rather does something more creative (deceptive maybe), it makes claims about less tangible concepts like the patriarchy and defines it in such a way that is vague enough that no evidence can be provided to counter it since any evidence can be explained away. Similar to my out…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:43 AM
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of course that's what patriarchy is under a less ideologically driven model. Feminist thinking doesn't just leave it at that though, there's a a lot more of an ideologically driven interpretation that has the issues I just laid out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:39 AM
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By your rationale, a flying spaghetti monster creating the universe and all within it is true LOL. Many other unfalsifiable beliefs are also true by your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:33 AM
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Then isn't that proof against the patriarchy being a system of oppression against women? If you can accept that no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:09 AM
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Men had those powers along with the responsibility that accompanied them. Like banking for example, men could be held responsible for debt and men would be held responsible for a debt accrued by a woman. Hence women didn’t have that privilege nor the responsibility. You’re kind of arguing the wrong point here. I’m not contending that there was a difference in privileges that went both ways, I know that. The problem is women’s benefits are considered misogyny through the idea of benevolent sexism…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:39 AM
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I never said that, you clearly just lied lol. As I said "I generally just believe a woman when she says so unless I'm given a reason not to, same goes for a man who claims to have been defamed (falsely accused) by a woman." How you can lie by completely misrepresenting my words is quite fascinating. I am not trying to convince you to date those men, if you read my original comment to you, all I said is that so long as you're fine if a man thinks a woman saying she was raped is a red flag, then i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 09:24 PM
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The thing is that I don't know if a woman is lying about having been raped or abused either lol. I've seen abusive, toxic women that I know make shit up about events that never happened. I was quite literally a witness to it on one occasion and she straight lied about how her bf (my friend) was hitting her, all he did was push her off him after she started attacking him. Here is my comment with another person on this topic: "If i believe a woman who claims that she was raped or abused but it tur…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:13 PM
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Ehhh not really, that’s a deceptive way to put it. Equality of opportunity has been achieved in many ways. Feminists just hate it when women disproportionately choose specific fields. Mind you many of these fields were male dominated at one point but women had no problem taking them over lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:40 AM
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No those jobs aren’t very available to men lol, women still prefer men who make as much or more than themselves. Sure it’s more available than before simply because women can also work but still not very much so. I think men have slowly been filling more of those child care and housework roles, statistically speaking. I believe men’s rights activists do stand for those things too but I could be mistaken. I think you’re confusing them with red pill/black pill dudes. That’s like confusing the femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:53 AM
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I already had this argument about false accusations so you can find it in my comment history. The gist is this: someone being defamed (falsely accused) is a crime. Lying in a witness testimony is a felony but prosecutors rarely go after false accusers due to precedent. So you’re wrong on that front. A woman could be lying to a man about being raped being raped when in fact she’s a false accuser/pathological liar. The same can be said in the reverse as you see. I’m not cheap because I feel a way …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:08 AM
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You can have any red flags you want as long as you’re not a hypocrite about it. If you’re okay with men thinking a woman saying she was raped is a red flag then you can feel that way about a man saying he was falsely accused. Outside of that some of these things are just differences in values/boundaries like the watch porn together or frequent prostitution. I feel similarly to you in in that regards as I wouldn’t date a woman who was a prostitute or who wanted me to watch porn with her. Other pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:17 AM
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Yeah, like even if the world is unfair to you in some ways then what? Sitting and complaining all day does nothing. I treat it the same way when women do the same thing, when they’re always whining about how men only want sex and yaddy yadda. It’s this problem with victim mentality that pervades across today’s society and in both sides of the political isle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 12:40 AM
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Yeah equal opportunities, the thing is a lot of feminism in the modern day is equality of outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:43 PM
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I tend to call myself a gender equalist but feminist in the straightforward definition can make sense too
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:30 PM
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Did you read what I just sent you? I said I wouldn’t care so long as everything was reversed, in other words all the benefits and the detriments. Of course in such a world this would mean that I’d be a woman since it wouldn’t make sense any other way. I prefer being what I am because it is what I’m used to hardships and all. This means I wouldn’t change being BLACK or being a MAN if I had the option to but if it happened I’d still be ok in the end once I get used to being the other gender/race. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:09 PM
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I wouldn’t care as long as the expectations, hardships etc. were also reversed. Though to be fair since I am a man who’s used to the difficulties/expectations that come with being one and hates the idea of pushing a baby out my genitals, periods, etc., I’d rather things be the way they are. I think most women I know also like being a woman in a similar way. It’s partly a pride thing if it makes sense, in a kinda similar way I wouldn’t want to be a white person since my identity has long been est…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:38 PM
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Of course you forget the bottom tier of men and keep it focused on the top as usual 😂. Either way the genders have different privileges and expectations. You can look at one and feel like they’re oppressed compared to the other when you ignore the full context.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:11 PM
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Yeah no. Women did that when jobs had mostly become approachable to them. It’s no coincidence that feminism started well into the Industrial Revolution. Don’t forget that men still do most of the riskiest jobs in society lmao. I agree with some of your thinking though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:19 PM
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Quite a misrepresentation of reality. Mothers, other women in the family and the bride herself were also involved in the decision making. Moms can be especially protective of sons so they would affect choices from that end at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:16 PM
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Does that apply to the women here too then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:54 PM
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Yeah some guys can’t understand that women can like you cause your funny, interesting, insightful etc. and even think you’re cute/attractive if you don’t meet the perfect standard in society lol. Like I’ve dated a girl who I thought looked mehh at first but after getting to know her she became attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:52 PM
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A lot of them take some piece of a truth but make it into this absolute lol. Men for example like women who have big boobs but this doesn’t mean that men will NOT love a woman with small boobs lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:45 PM
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I am currently in a year long relationship, I don’t think I’m planning on marrying ever but I like her (maybe even love her). I’m 25 and she’s 23 so we have a lot of time as of now. She’s great and I’m pretty happy overall, not much to complain about, maybe something here and there like anyone else. I like discussing things here and it can make for interesting debates/conversations. I find it better than spending time on Instagram or some subreddits that have no diversity of opinions. I think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:35 PM
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So wait y’all can have sex as much and with whoever? I’m no Christian but I know the Bible enough to know that’s sinful. Sex outside of a marriage (between a man and woman) in general. Progressive Christianity sounds like a reach for people who want the cozy benefits of having a God without any of its inconveniences. 😂 just be like me and accept there ain’t a god so you can fuck when, how, who and where ya like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:37 AM
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52% of white women voted for trump…..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 05:35 AM
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Lmao men and women are not loved unconditionally. Its just that women on average have default value in society whereas men are seen as more disposable. Not sure what all this dickpocalypse nonsense you’re talking about 🤦🏾‍♂️😂 thank god we’re not having a vaginapocalypse cuz I’d be dying of thirst otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 05:34 AM
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Lmao then a man saying “I’ve been falsely accused” as the the OP wrote, would meet your criteria by your logic since he isn’t accusing anyone of doing something. I think we both have the same understanding then. Good luck 👍🏾
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:34 AM
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My bad for the confusion. I was just trying to show you false accusations happen and they’re not uncommon as many would like to make it seem. Nonetheless I don’t want people invalidating women’s experiences, and I want all accusations to be treated seriously and fairly. That’s all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:14 AM
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Well yes you understood me right I think, although I wouldn't use that terminology lol. I see it as a societal system that had its bad and good but definitely outdated in the modern day. I don't see it as this pervasive evil that is almost ethereal in nature like I hear many feminists do. The patriarchy came about for some very simple reasons that never had to do with sexism or but rather biological realities. Thanks to modern innovations though, women can be freed from many of the burdens that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:02 AM
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Not always but in many ways women were beneficiaries to the patriarchy lol. Men and women have always worked together one way or another. For example, Do you think white women got no benefits from the conquests of white men? The top percentage of women (i.e., noblewomen) got to live in luxuries and had power that most men could never have dreamed of. The commoner women had protection from the environment, and predators (animals or other men), while the men were given more authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 01:40 AM
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Not sure what that’s supposed to mean. Everyone has the right to speak, freedom of speech is gender neutral. If you live in a country without it then you have my sympathy ❤️‍🩹 I wish I could do more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 11:11 PM
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Look at Intimate partner violence stats and you’ll quite literally see that women partake in it just as much as men. As a matter of fact women are more likely to initiate physical violence than are men in domestic disputes. In cases of one way IPV (non-reciprocated) women are the perpetrators 70% of the time. Now that being said men are still more likely to cause injury and that is more likely to cause death. Look at Made to Penetrate statistics lol and you’ll see that within recent times women …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 10:31 PM
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No I don't, as I said "I instead believe that an allegation is simply unfounded/unknown unless proven false, meaning the accuser isn't necessarily lying and the accused isn't guilty" lmao did you just skip reading that part?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:28 PM
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Well you are free to feel that way too, all I’m saying is the justification can be used the other way around just as well. Women here would definitely get pissy if men used that same rationale. I agree that there is contradictions in the things a number of people say lol, i never said that to you though did I? Even women have contradictory expectations of men. You’re extrapolating to my beliefs what you believe a bunch of men here say. Though yes I think some red pill men hold women far too resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:57 PM
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I never said I believe that. Show me where I said so? You clearly show yourself as a liar by putting words in my mouth that I never said. I would believe a woman if she told me that she got raped, I would believe a man if he told me he got falsely accused. I’m not sure I’d look at either as a red flag unless I had a reason to. This is speaking about how I carry my personal life. If you tell me your name is “Jessie,” I’ll believe you without asking for proof unless I have reason to doubt you. On …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:12 PM
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Why would one be a red flag but not the other? You fail to prove your point through reasoning. Good talk though 👍🏾
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:05 PM
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Wait are you saying being the victim of a false allegation is ok? Btw defamation is a crime. Why do you show sympathy for one and not the other? I think your sexism is showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:00 PM
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I don't need a stat for that. Due process means that only proven ones are found to be "true" and the unproven ones are "false" or the accused isn't guilty technically speaking. If I followed this rule to it's end then the rest could be said to be "false" allegations if they're not proven true (90% of rape cases). Of course I don't believe that so I instead believe that an allegation is simply unfounded/unknown unless proven false, meaning the accuser isn't necessarily lying and the accused isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 07:25 PM
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Well the same can be said for women too can’t it? What if your boyfriend secretly didn’t believe you when you said that your ex raped you or abused you? Why play the game of since the “men” do this I must do this too. That just makes you the same as them if you’re not willing to actually consider both sides and treat the situations fairly. Tribalism is part of the bigger problem. I do think that people who claim to be pure victims in the past while not taking any accountability for their role ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:55 PM
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But it’s equally as hard to disprove. I just showed you the rates where it is provably false. This means the evidence shows that it most likely never happened and was entirely fictional. The remaining are possibly misidentified culprit but the rape occurred and just unknown whether true or false. Nonetheless, rape is a very serious problem that we should always treat compassionately! I just believe that due process should always be followed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:47 PM
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Stats show that provably false rape cases are 2-10% and provably true rape cases are 10% (FBI data)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:17 AM
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Hey, no problem! Glad you liked it, that podcast was how I first discovered her. Hope it serves you well and sorry for being a bit rude in my previous comment :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 06:48 AM
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It's better (some) men don't get the wrong idea honestly. Better they air on the side of caution and just end the friendship if they're romantically interested, then they can move on without wasting their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 06:01 AM
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Yep that’s the roughly equivalent complaint from women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:06 PM
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Under the patriarchy, women had privileges and expectations to match those privileges. Men had privileges and expectations to match those privileges. This is called responsibilities. Generally speaking women didn’t have the privileges men had (they had their own) because they didn’t have the expectations that came with it. Nonetheless some women were doing things in society that men usually did and they rightfully complained. Men heard women’s (a small minority btw) complaints and made those nec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:51 AM
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Well it depends on whether you were chasing her or was it just a normal friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:04 AM
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Yep thats basically my advice. Any hot and cold behavior and you should just move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:02 AM
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I'd say my male friends are probably overall more valuable (to me). My boys been there for me even when I was struggling and I've known them for many years; they can understand somethings better since they're guys too and they offer honest critique and advice. I also find that guys are better to when it comes to entertaining funny or interesting ideas, hypotheticals, debates etc. but women can be more comforting and emotionally supportive. They definitely have their pros and cons when I compare …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:59 AM
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Uhmm men didn’t make sure women had to fix for themselves?? Women told men what the issues were and men made those changes. The reality is that protective paternalism is the very reason why feminism was successful in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 03:58 AM
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Nothing, I love (and hate) the internet but I also spend time with real life people and in the real world. You assumed that I was just reading things when in fact this is something guys talk and complain about irl
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:09 PM
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Yes sir, that's actually how it happens for me often times but you have to have an eye for it. Those friendzones are kind of different, you have to know the girl you're dealing with and you have to know how to play your cards right. Most men are probably better off just sticking to the rules I laid out because they'll make the wrong judgement calls and get played.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:01 PM
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Who said reading? I am talking about men I know in real life too lol. Tell me you're terminally online without telling me you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:53 PM
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Yeah I agree. There are men and women who have purely platonic relationships. I myself have a few but it just tends not to be the common case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:00 PM
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Teens is creepy and weird but mid 20s on the other hand I’d smash even if I was 60 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:22 AM
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Kind of I guess… this is why I gave this advice. Take responsibility for yourself after a certain point and end it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:20 AM
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Some times it is but other times it’s actually her leading him on or keeping a bit of hope alive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:03 AM
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Wait, how old are you? I agree that those situations are different and yeah I don’t see the problem with them. It’s definitely different if it’s just a shallow interest rather than true romantic feelings which is what she had. The thing with rules like this are that they’re never absolute, it’s important to make choices taking into account your entire situation. I know enough about these things that I can probably adapt well to different circumstances. Many men (and women) can’t do that so somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:01 AM
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That’s definitely one tactic and it could work if she doesn’t realize what you’re doing. You’d have to be really smooth about it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:07 AM
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Yep, you and I are on the same boat. A lot of men fall for that and it’s why I get annoyed. Some of them it’s because of naivety and I sympathize as I’ve been there when I was 16. I learned my lesson and learned how the game is played. The thing I hate is the men that keep complaining and whining about it like they can’t do anything lol. You always have the option to set your foot down and end the friendship anytime.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:43 AM
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Yes I know it’s not exactly the same, but thing is that some women can really cross the line. They’ll probably friend zone you so it’s more like “I’m not looking for a relationship right now but maybe in the future. We can be friends though.” Or something like that. It’s kind of like a soft friend zone that keeps a possible hope alive if you get what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:28 AM
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You can honestly. It’s called the hot and cold method. The contradiction is what actually makes it even more manipulative, you withdraw from someone but then give them some intimacy or do things to lead them on. Although I agree that it isn’t necessarily manipulation of this level in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:03 AM
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Yes sir, I've been there and I explained the details in one of my other responses
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:50 AM
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Yes this is key. Don't let it sit for too long. At most a month and you can even be direct without coming off very needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:46 AM
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I agree here although the manipulative aspects shouldn't be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:39 AM
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To be clear, the problem isn't women who are genuinely under the impression that it is entirely platonic even from the men's side but when you are aware that it may not be platonic from those men it kind of changes things. It becomes misleading when you know that is likely the case but choose to be oblivious to it, like you are kind of doing ;) I have an experience like this with a female friend. She had tried to make a move, I clearly let her know I don't feel like that and never will, and I ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:37 AM
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Yes! This is exactly the behavior that those women engage in and they know what they're doing. It's my hope that men learn and start realizing when to move on. I've known some dudes who were in that limbo stage for years man and they just never learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:59 AM
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I have female friends and sisters. I'm not saying friendships between men and women can't happen. As you can read I use the word "many," did I say "all"? Did I even say "most"? Friendships with the opposite sex that are purely platonic do happen (I have a few ) but in my experience it's still not the most common type. You jumped to a number of conclusions out of no where without even asking lmao. I have a female friend that tried to go further and no I didn't completely cut her off, instead what…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:29 AM
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Often times women in those scenarios view those "friends" as attention/validation/status objects. It really can go both ways. I still agree with you somewhat though as in I don't feel bad for the men who moan and groan about being stuck there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:15 AM
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No, I'm not saying that you're lying, I am talking specifically about the women who keep those men around and lead them on. They know what they're doing. I already spoke about your circumstance in the beginning of the OP, and I think you're perfectly valid in doing so. I have many important women in my life and I'd never want them to be hurt. The same doesn't apply in the circumstance I talk about below that which usually revolves around manipulative behaviours and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:10 AM
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Yeah I agree, I've seen many guys deal with that stuff and myself too but learning is the key part.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:06 AM
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Sorry I mean in terms of overall relationship risks. But to answer your comment it actually is lol, women generally find high status (earning) men more attractive, and taller men etc. This means the average man will never be the ideal of what women find attractive. That graph just looks at physical attractiveness but men are measured more on a number of other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:23 AM
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I mean it’s the same from the men’s side. Plenty of abusive and bad women out there, if you get married or get one pregnant then that’s a lifetime of hell for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:00 AM
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Lmao you see plenty of older women who find young (mid 20s) or youthful looking men attractive. That doesn’t mean they go after them even if they’re generally seen as the most attractive men. Do you know how many grannies voted for Justin Trudeau just cause they thought he was young and cute?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:57 AM
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Yes that’s what I mean. Like I get it if you screwed up and end up there but it’s another thing when you hear dudes always whining about a girl that is keeping them there
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:52 AM
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The thing about this question is that women have already answered it. Our ancestors, who truly lived in fear of bears, lions, tigers, and other dangers, chose each other and built society. Our female ancestors wouldn’t have sought out men for protection if they were better off living among the wild animals... unless they were just plain stupid. Since they chose men, and their choices led to our survival, I’ll assume they knew what they were doing and were in the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:36 AM
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Yes, faster maturation allows female puberty to start earlier and finish faster. I didn’t say that that’s the only reason, I said this is one of the reasons. I’m aware of the differences between male and female brains. Male brains on average are a bit larger/heavier even when accounting for men’s weight/height.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:40 PM
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Ahh okay I was just making sure. I agree with you on the sex front though. No one should be owed sex or relationships from anyone, especially not for a date. If anything we should just make going Dutch the norm then this question shouldn’t be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:32 PM
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I never said you? I’m saying people in those countries with higher gender gaps. Nonetheless, even in countries with lower gender inequality there are many measures where men fall short like post secondary attainment. If this is measuring the gender gaps then those should be taking into account otherwise this is dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:28 PM
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What? I’m from Canada dude lol. We have free healthcare, I don’t even pay a dime. I’m not sure what you’re going on about. You just pointed out that there are a number of other factors at play when it comes to your country’s happiness ratings. So you answered your own question. Men and boys are treated unequally in most if not all of those same countries too, we’re just okay with that. I’ve already explained this in more detail on another comment. Guess what else affects the economy and labour f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:55 AM
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Wait couldn’t he just wear a condom? Why are you assuming unprotected?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:27 AM
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I agree with you, we should be striving for true gender neutrality as you say. That’s basically why I deride this study that claims to be a measure of gender inequality gaps. I guess this comment thread kind of got derailed tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:48 AM
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Yes I am well aware but this report is often cited as a measure of Gender Inequality. As I explained in another comment, they’re clearly trying to mislead based on the naming scheme alone. They should’ve named it the Female Privilege Gap if they wanted to be a bit more honest at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:45 AM
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Conservatives aren’t responsible for male disposability or female paternalism lol. They definitely parade it more outright but liberals also do. What do you think feminism is? It’s basically left wing female paternalism. Remember #BelieveAllWomen? That’s a facet of male disposability lmao. Nonetheless, these things exist not because of modern day political parties but are rooted in evolutionary effects. Male disposability and variability is seen across many different species. Female paternalism …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:33 AM
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Yes you are proving my point though. Men for example are punished much more heavily in the justice system (60% sentencing difference) but yet still commit most crimes. Men are still more likely to break rules and do what they want. I’m not saying that men don’t conform, I was speaking in relative terms, men generally conform less than women. This is known as the male variability hypothesis in evolutionary biology/psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:39 AM
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That’s what I mean, they’re not taught to respect that nearly as much. If a woman used mens bathroom, it would just be a little whoopsy but if a man did the reverse the social consequences could be dire (being labelled as a creep or seen as someone trying to harm women in some way).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:00 AM
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Yes but I’m saying that this is still a gendered segregation which for the most part just means NO MEN IN WOMENS SPACES. Gendered segregations are usually there to protect women and men have this heavily instilled in us. It’s why there are women’s only gym but not men’s only. If you attach a sign that is like a bathroom sign it makes sense you’d have men thinking that for whatever reason, I as a man cannot go to the women’s door. I myself know I’d get that instinct the moment I saw the sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:55 AM
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Yes but I’m saying that this is still a gendered segregation which for the most part just means NO MEN IN WOMENS SPACES. Gendered segregations are usually there to protect women and men have this heavily instilled in us. It’s why there are women’s only gym but not men’s only. If you attach a sign that is like a bathroom sign it makes sense you’d have men thinking that for whatever reason, I as a man cannot go to the women’s door. I myself know I’d get that instinct the moment I saw the sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:55 AM
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Right, this really doesn't counter my point since I am talking about it generally. Most social outliers are men, think about it. Women listen to authority more, and girls do better in the classroom setting (which is designed to reward conformity), since women on average are more agreeable. Also those men you are talking about are well uhmm reddit men lol, that isn't exactly the best representation of the general populace. I am not ignorant to the fact that this would include myself lmao The arti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:38 AM
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Not in every way of course, don’t forget that by upper class men, I mean nobility specifically. Nobility doesn’t mean the most “successful” as they could be relatively stupid and unexceptional but because of huge systemic privileges in a monarchy, it was centred around their dispositions. Think of how much conformity nobility impose even amongst themselves; women are naturally more conformist than men. High achieving men were actually rebellious risk takers, unafraid to think outside the box tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:47 AM
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Not sure which part you're talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:03 PM
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Well yes but it’s controversial due to political reasons. Most studies looking at intelligence between males and females purposely look at the differences in pre or mid puberty boys and girls. That’s because at those times boys and girls have equal average IQ (higher variation for males) but once fully matured men have higher average IQ (3.5-4.5 points) and a larger brain (10% larger). The larger brain is probably in part due to men having larger bodies so needing more neurons to control the bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:54 PM
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It may have been designed by a certain selection of white males, like upper class males with more feminine dispositions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:20 PM
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Yes it does. It allows girls to mature quicker, since they’re the limit on reproduction, while boys can take longer to develop more advantageous phenotypes like being physically larger. There’s more to it than that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:18 PM
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Hey, the problem is that they call it Gender Inequality, implying that this is about overall gender equality when in fact it's not. The way they calculate the data makes it so inequalities that benefit women (e.g., post-secondary attendance, life-expectancy) would not have an effect on the final value of the index; in other words what would have a negative effect to the proportion if it was unfavorable to women (move the index closer to 0), doesn't for men, it just has no effect. They should cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:07 AM
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Yes, there's also greater male variance in overall IQ tests (average is roughly equal for men and women). Male variability is something that is observed in many other animals. It's possibly due in part to the fact that males only have a single X and Y chromosome. This goes hand in hand with males being more disposable so greater risk can be taken in them, whereas you can't do the same for females since they are the limiters of reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:20 AM
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Yeah this is the problem with modern day feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:07 AM
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Just the usual ☕️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:05 AM
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Yep, they really did. I was shocked too, and notice how they frame it by trying to make it sound as innocuous as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:04 AM
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By nature of this measurement, it’s unfair. This isn’t a measure of gender inequality, maybe female inequality. You also resort to the same way of thinking they do. For example men make up most of the highest achievers and this can be explained by certain facts (i.e., male variability) but you ignore the fact that fact. Men also make up the biggest losers in our society but you don’t consider that neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:01 AM
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Sure that’s fine but those countries would usually have different expectations for men. Only looking at those aspects paints the wrong picture, how about the fact that men in those countries are a lot more likely to die young too? How about the fact that men in those countries are expected to be solely responsible for the welfare of their family? Don’t forget that it’s women who place many of these expectations on men. Nonetheless I still think those countries are unjust to women in many ways bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:11 AM
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You know that women are treated very kindly in the justice system right (60% smaller sentencing length believe)? Where do you think this stems from? Feminists argue this is due to "benevolent misogyny" (more mental hoops) which stems from the women are wonderful effect. So yes it has cascading effects in society. You've already admitted that my argument is correct (anti-male gender bias exists in these institutions) but just framed it in a positive light and justified it LMAO. You don't seem to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:28 AM
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It’s not just this video showed you, I can read the WEF reports myself. You said you didn’t want to read up on these things so I found you a video that covers this topic lmao. Why are you being disingenuous when I already told you to look at Dr. Cory Clark’s work? Or I told you about the women are wonderful effect (aka huge in group biases that favour women)? It clearly is biased lol. The reality is that gender inequality has always been both ways. Go to page 4 of this link and read where it say…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:47 AM
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That is justifying an anti-male bias clearly. How comes they don’t do this for longevity which has been favourable to women since basically forever? Isn’t it misleading that they’d call this the gender inequality index instead of female inequality index? They clearly know what they’re doing and make a rationale to justify it. Anyone can do this if you have a conclusion and want to justify it. At that point it’s just called propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:17 AM
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I understand and agree but I still found that he accurately described what’s going on. He provides all the sources in the description, maybe have a look at it when you can
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:06 AM
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Yes I know but you arm them with the means, though I am joking. By the way here is a short video on some practices the WEF has when measuring gender inequality. These are examples of the effects that stem from feminist philosophy's biases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6N-wdMu7J0
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:30 AM
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Ahh nice, you're one of the people who give my girlfriend her side addiction (or hobby), crime documentaries. Thanks to you I have to hear some horrific way someone was murdered every so often lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:18 PM
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Please forgive my assumption, it made sense since you said you're and academic in the social sciences and that you don't believe there exists a bias. I thought you were implying that you've researched this but you didn't. I am studying computer engineering (specializing in microarchitecture design) at the Univeristy of Waterloo, social science research is just a secondary hobby outside of physics and engineering research; I'm definitely not an expert in other words lmao. What about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:02 PM
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Yes that's what I was saying. It clearly nudges people to a certain conclusion; imagine all the people who don't even reach the very end of the article. I agree that these studies aren't ideal but they're the best we have for now at least. I think that often times it's just women not recognizing the work men do and men not recognizing the work women do. There is also the fact that women on average score higher on neuroticism and have lower tolerance for stress (i am speaking averages here). This…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:49 PM
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Yes but the same can be said the other way around. For example, men may not see dusting as necessary (at least not as often) while women may.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:38 PM
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Its baffling because this is pretty well documented and you said you are a social science academic, I expected that you'd know this. Maybe your sub-field is far removed from these issues so I might've jumped the gun in all honesty. We all have biases but we should try as hard as possible to alleviate them. Of course I have a position that I am defending here but I got to this position by trying to research this issue. I genuinely believed the feminist rhetoric that men are slacking and not doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:29 PM
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I was simply answering your anecdote and reasoning with another anecdote and reasoning that is just as plausible. I don't think the study itself did that. I'm not disagreeing that there are more complex routines out there for any individual. Generally speaking though the average wife/girlfriend isn't doing all of that on an average laundry day. Just like there are men out there with complex lawn mowing routines for one reason or another, I don't think we should count that as the common experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:11 PM
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Yes and I explained this as the women are wonderful effect. How you wouldn't know about this is kind of baffling. There are countless studies that look at this phenomena and it has cascading effects across society like in the justice system and yes also academia, especially since women show 4.5x larger in group bias while men show a (relatively) small out group bias to women). There are countless papers on this topic as a whole. Here is a paper: https://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:01 PM
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Possibly but could also be relaxing. Nonetheless that doesn’t make sense to count those hours as the time it took to do laundry.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:37 PM
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Yes I know that it’s more involved than just sitting there like some men would make it look. It has moments of rest in between disruptions (like the ones you expressed) but can be done while watching TV or talking for example. I know this from experience (being around family/friends who are breastfeeding). I also pointed out the example of the laundry. I didn’t mean to come off ignorant as I was speaking from observations I made throughout my life. Of course different women and babies can have d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:07 PM
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Look at Dr Cory Clark's work then. The women are wonderful effect is always in effect. For example, research that makes women "look bad" or men "look better/good" is frowned upon, research that makes men "look bad" or women "look better/good" is seen as okay. Even the APA is known to have an anti-male bias since they embody a lot of modern feminist philosophy. Most feminist philosophy as I expressed earlier, is by nature of being perspectivist, very incredibly biased against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:54 PM
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I am mainly focused on the averages, although I looked through the side by sides. I am well aware of this. My question I guess, is why isn't there equal pressure for women to do their fair-share from the same groups that claim men don't. By the same rational, aren't stay at home mom's "slobs" too since they don't do their fair share of labor? To be clear, I don't feel that way at all and believe the work they do to be very important, I'm just following the logic from that perspective. On the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:41 PM
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I have included a more reputable source (i.e., PEW). So you're claiming that the "women are wonderful effect" is not true? If you are a social science academic then great, you are proving my point. Feminist philosophy is quite literally perspectivist in nature, it doesn't even hide that it's biased but rather embraces it. Here you go: https://psycnet.apa.org/manuscript/2022-61496-001.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:00 PM
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Yes that is also true but it’s also due to biology. Meaning if you account for all those factors, men still live shorter lives on average. This is due to biological reasons that are actually pretty well understood (as I explained).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:50 PM
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Yes I did and other sources (non-feminist and non-conservative) also show similar results. Meaning when you account for both paid and unpaid labor, husbands and wives average out to roughly the same. I was just a bit perplexed that PEW of all groups had an article that could be slightly misleading since they don't report the difference in time spent sleeping until the end. This would clearly explain most, if not all (when you account for significant figures), of the missing link.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:43 PM
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Yes it is. Feminism was about equality at a certain point but that's not the case today at least not as a whole. I understand that individual feminists may stand for equality but that isn't indicative of the organizations and institutions that employ its philosophy (e.g., The World Economic Forum). If you look at the deceptive ways they measure gender equality for example, you'll find the gender bias I'm talking about. There is heavy anti-male bias within the social studies, look at the work of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:37 PM
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I believe your anecdote and I have my own also. For example I see women saying that doing laundry takes them hours but this is because they count waiting for the machine as time spent doing laundry. So it very well stands to reason that probably some men and women overestimate how much they do and underestimate how much their partners do. Self-reported studies are less bullshit than your and my anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:24 PM
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No no, I don’t want to devalue women’s work. I see women’s contributions as fair and equally important. I just don’t think the current conversation is painting thing’s accurately; in fact I think it’s devaluing men’s contributions. Of course red pillers devalue women’s work while feminist’s devalue men’s work. Feminism is a lot more mainstream and institutional though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:14 PM
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yes but it explains the gap is the point? Also men will always die earlier than women because of biological reasons (i.e., effects of androgenic hormones on the cardiac system), should we put the difference in age died that is in favor of women as an injustice or should men just suck it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:04 PM
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Truth be told the same can be said for housework and child care, maybe even more so. How many people count doing laundry as the hours the machine is running? How about child care that can often be done while having leisurely activity (breastfeeding for example)?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:00 PM
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Think about how averages work for a second. If every couple is paired with a man and woman. If the wives hours and the husbands hours average out to being roughly equal then how else would this work out?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:55 PM
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They’re slightly biased in how they present the information clearly but still honest about the data. Feminist researchers on the other hand will straight up manipulate or withhold data that makes women look worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:14 PM
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And look at why… because women sleep for 1.5 hours more
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:11 PM
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Work economic forum is heavily biased. Like they don’t even hide their feminist agenda. As I said, no feminist or conservative research/groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:11 PM
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I’m clearly referencing other data. And yes it’s self reported, you don’t trust data but trust your anecdotes? How does this work?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:09 PM
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Look at the graph at the beginning
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:04 PM
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This is well documented as women having a huge in group bias (4.5x more than men). Look at the work of Dr. Cory Clark for example Think about it. If the overall labour done by working husbands and wives averages to equal hours then there must be an equal number of “slobs” and spouses being overworked within each group. Edit: I put "me" instead of "men" but fixed it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:00 PM
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Yes, I think you captured it perfectly. It’s one of those anti-male biases that exist in the social sciences. Even a reputable group like PEW isn’t immune to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:03 AM
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The article still has the data for the time worked but it focuses on the leisure gap. Look at the first graph on the page. To be fair that’s true but there’s something else that’s forgotten often times… people spend time with kids for leisure/fun also, especially little ones. Things like breastfeeding (which can only be done by women) would also add to that time but can be done while watching TV or something else. These are time use surveys and some of the best we have taken from government data…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:53 AM
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No problem!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:38 AM
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Anecdotally I can say that having a girlfriend live with me adds more chores, I don’t know why but women tend to make my place messier (I think because they have more stuff in general). Nonetheless that’s just an anecdote like yours. Statistically speaking married men (even without kids) do more housework than single men. Single men do less housework than single women do. The idea that having a wife means less chores doesn’t exactly add up on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:38 AM
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Well it isn’t leisure but it explains most of the gap. This article almost makes it seem like their is some unfairness since this gap exists. They treat it like a mystery until the very end which is kind of scummy. This could mislead readers who don’t finish the article but walk away believing that men have more leisure time (in other words men are being lazy/taking advantage).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:28 AM
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It’s the same article. Yes I said “non-feminist and non-conservative” in the OP. This is why I don’t trust data from the IFS for example. That being said the reality is that a huge gender bias against men exists in the social studies since feminism dominates that sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:47 AM
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Actually men are more likely to die from that because of androgenic hormones and how they affect our cardiac systems. This is one of the primary reasons we have shorter lifespans on average. If you’re speaking from a more traditionalist perspective, then there’s that. When you look at sole breadwinner husbands (with stay at home wives), the husbands do double the total amount of labor than the wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:44 AM
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Yes there is a gender imbalance, women on average (even single women) need more sleep and spend more time in deep sleep. This is due to a number of factors like hormones and brain differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:34 AM
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That’s the case today lol, women are fully financially dependent. Seems like for many, in sickness and in health/ in richness or in poor doesn’t apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:35 PM
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Do you know that women are more likely to leave their husbands if they’re unemployed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:59 AM
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Not true, women perpetrate SA against men at larger shares. You have to include being Made To Penetrate and it will show women as 80% of the perpetrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:42 AM
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I see, that makes more sense then lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:36 PM
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Yeah I know, but I wouldn’t expect a blue pill to care about such shit. Maybe a no pill, purple pill or red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:32 PM
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The whole calibre of man part
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:24 PM
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You sound red pill but your shit says blue pill lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:27 AM
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Hope you find luck in your romantic ventures though, maybe you won’t have to go the 4B route😜👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:42 AM
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It’s important not to settle on the things that matter. The problem with the settle queens is they’re usually the ones who are part of the problem. Settling on character should be the issue, but they’re more worried about settling on a man’s height or a woman’s breast size etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:53 AM
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Yeah and not to mention porn often plays into men feeling they’re small down there even when they’re actually within the average size.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:47 AM
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Yep, that’s basically how I’ve consumed most media’s. Like I know the hot chick in a movie, game, anime, porn or whatever isn’t realistic so I wouldn’t actually expect that in real life. Some people of both genders aren’t capable of that though and that can be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:46 AM
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Smut has some insane expectations too tho tbh. Romance media in general sets some impossible standards for men; I don’t see how that’s any better than porn. I’d say romance sets even harsher expectations since many women set their eyes on the supposed “one” and all that soulmate stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:05 AM
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You know that feminists did the same right? Look at the likes of Margaret Sanger and the feminist movement before the 1970s, it won't paint a pretty picture for inclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:11 PM
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Yes I know you are and that’s why I said those antidepressants are not the same as hormonal treatment. I’m kind of nitpicking about the technical working of those types of drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:23 PM
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Yes but those psychiatrists are technically using those medications outside their actual tested use cases for the most part. Yes it’s a common practice and I’m not saying to stop listening to them. Just telling you that it’s not the way you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:06 PM
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No, but I study some pharmacology and neuroscience on my free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:23 PM
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Psych meds don’t work the same as hormonal replacement therapy (I.e., thyroid). There is a reason why they take a while to work even though they have an immediate effect on your brain chemicals. We don’t truly know why. Plus they should usually be temporary, unlike hormonal replacement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:54 AM
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The same can be said about women too though. Men are often treated as status objects while women are treated as sex objects. Plenty of men experience a woman leaving them or changing after expressing vulnerability. That’s still no reason to paint all women as being that way and same with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:44 AM
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The Old Testament very clearly states that God doesn’t like homosexual behaviour. The New Testament clearly states that any sexual action outside of a marriage between a man and woman is sinful. That part is not really debatable. It doesn’t have to condemn specific scenarios, if it condemns every scenario outside of the only one it condones.
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