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When she begins exploring other options she removes and power and control you had in the relationship. It puts you in a lesser role rather than an equal or dominant position. Dictating terms for when and how you will talk or see eachother re-asserts that you are not powerless and that she cannot simply walk all over you. One of the most critical things you can do is establish new boundaries. It’s good for yourself psychologically, since it asserts some control over a situation where you otherwis…
/r/seduction18/03/22 03:08 PM
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I immediately flash back to college, where a literally morbidly obese man had a 10 as a girlfriend. In hindsight, she might have only looked like a 10 because she was next to him, but I'd still give her credit for being at least a 9 absent the contrast. To this day, I have no idea what she saw in him. It's not like he was rich or super intelligent. He was studying criminal justice at a community college. I would have thought he wanted to be a police officer, but he'd never pass a physical. Maybe…
/r/seduction24/02/22 05:37 PM
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*except on dating apps like tinder, which are purposely designed for judging people based on looks
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:12 PM
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I can’t tell what she means from your description. Did you get friend zoned? Or did you get FWB zoned and move yourself into the friend zone? If she’s OK with physical escalation but not kissing she may be protecting herself by saying she doesn’t want a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t want to mess around. My initial response would have been playful. “OK, no strings then.”
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:21 PM
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Relax, dude. The only thing remotely suspicious about your story is saying “I have proof”, which is pretty much opposite how you held strong frame with the girl offering her drink. I really don’t understand how the incel voyeurs that read this sub think all the people in the world got here. Sex happens. Hell, threesomes happen too.
/r/seduction12/02/22 09:22 PM
3

I used to work with a guy who exclusively chased single moms. His explanation: “Because you know they likes to…”
/r/seduction11/02/22 07:13 PM
5

It sounds like she probably knows you’re interested but she is not, so she made a move to avoid a future awkward conversation and make you the “bad guy” if you try to show romantic interest. If you’re OK with being friends, do that. If you’re not, call her out on it. “I think you might have ruined our friendship when you said that. Now all I’ll ever be able to think when I see you is that you didn’t think dating me would work. I’m not willing to invest in a friendship with someone that doesn’t t…
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:29 AM
1

There is a bit of abdication of responsibility in the use of “it just happened”, but for a reason. It acknowledges sex happened and was consensual while trying to avoid the “slut shaming” problem that accompanies an admission that she actively wanted sex. And sex is a natural thing, so it’s reasonable to say it “just happened”. With that said, sex generally won’t happen without someone taking the lead. In the case of your Italian girl hookup she likely took the lead. Either she culturally didn’t…
/r/seduction10/02/22 06:42 PM
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“As a woman [insert rant here]” The most toxic thing in this post was your reaction. Being a woman does not afford you special privileges here, and you’ve added nothing constructive. Please try to be better.
/r/seduction10/02/22 01:14 AM
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Of course role playing and masturbation isn’t the same thing as a random hookup. But it’s a WAY closer analog than is possible for someone that has the hookups and wants to simulate a supportive and caring long-term relationship.
/r/seduction09/02/22 11:34 PM
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I've generally found that going slow is super sexy and seductive. It allows the mind to think ahead and anticipate. It makes time seem to stand still. I love watching the breath, seeing the goosebumps, the involuntary shivers, the pelvis starting to buck lightly. Then when the touch comes it amplifies every sensation significantly. If sex was food, slow would be gourmet.
/r/seduction09/02/22 07:20 PM
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Step 1: This can be good advice or bad, depending on the girl. Calibration is key. But for most of the men that come here, it's a very good rule of thumb. If the men that came here were capable of super direct sexual approaches, they probably didn't need help and never came to this sub. Step 2: This is where men have very different styles. For some men, the best approach is to talk lower and talk less. It allows for some mystery, gives the girl a chance to talk, and sets up the potential for an …
/r/seduction09/02/22 09:25 AM
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I think there is a reason for the change. When pickup was first catching on, there were new ideas that exploited psychology (e.g. “negging”) that actually gave some advantage to the people that knew them. Then they became widespread and suddenly women were wise to the games. Once they knew what was happening, these techniques became a massive liability. So conventionally attractive people found much better results by just being themselves and being confident. And they stated it pretty clearly he…
/r/seduction08/02/22 07:25 PM
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I think the problem is that hookup behaviors tend to sabotage stable long-term intimacy. Not necessarily always, but generally. Someone in a long-term committed relationship can turn to role play, fantasy, porn, etc. for a short-term kick, but there isn’t really an analogous way for someone that is just hooking up to satisfy a desire for real intimacy. Having actual long-term intimacy while taking steps to satisfy craving for the “new” seems to be a popular way to belance those competing desires…
/r/seduction07/02/22 05:08 PM
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I didn’t actually suggest a particular approach. But I’d play stupid in this situation. Since he described them as very close it’s also possible that the sister was there when she swiped right on him. Might be in the background checking on him and judging him. Play it stupid and he’s just messaging a girl. If he gets called out (by the ex) he can just say, “Well no wonder she was so cute! You’re related to her! Good to hear from you again, and I hope things are going well for you.”
/r/seduction07/02/22 04:35 AM
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It’s tinder, not ok cupid. She may just be looking to smash. Also, what makes you think she didn’t have a thing for you then? Maybe she’s afraid of telling you that she knows you?
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:01 AM
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Hard to respond without knowing specific content of what the girls said but: In general, they probably did you a favor (this time). They gave you a dangerous “bad boy” vibe that you might not have otherwise had. They made it obvious that sex was on the table without you raising it. They inadvertently gave you some “player” social proof. And they let you be the nice guy without risking the friend zone. With all that said, they could easily have scared away someone that wasn’t down for sex with a …
/r/seduction07/02/22 01:24 AM
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Your comment reveals that you are being sexual - or at least sexual enough. The point is to make sure she knows there is sexual interest and to promote sexual tension. If she's telling you that she appreciates you getting to know her first, she's acknowledging (presumably mutual) sexual interest. You've done enough to ensure that she doesn't think of you as her harmless new brother.
/r/seduction28/01/22 08:10 PM
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This is why we can’t have nice things.
/r/seduction28/01/22 06:24 PM
1

Those women need a vibrator, not a man.
/r/seduction26/01/22 08:26 PM
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I guess that makes some sense. Black men are sometimes fetishized due to the idea that they are bigger. Kinda opposite how asian women are fetishized. Within that context it isn’t terribly surprising that the question gets asked. But I would have thought it would be the white size queens asking, not average black women. :/
/r/seduction26/01/22 08:07 PM
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Yes. But I’m a white guy. Maybe size queens aren’t looking for me? Or maybe because I’m 6’2” they assume I’m doing all right in that department? Actually there was one girl that asked this, but it was the roommate of the girl I was dating. I don’t know why she didn’t just ask her roommate? Or maybe roommate didn’t want to say? BTW, the girl that asked had a reputation for being “so loose it’s like fucking an open window.” I wouldn’t know personally, but laughed at the image.
/r/seduction26/01/22 07:57 PM
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"Do women know about shrinkage? I was in the POOL!" - George Costanza
/r/seduction26/01/22 06:31 PM
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I have literally never run into this. So I'm not sure it's "a lot". Then again, I don't use online dating, so asking for a dick pic isn't normally what someone does when they're physically present in a dating environment already.
/r/seduction26/01/22 06:30 PM
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Or someone wanting to blackmail you.
/r/seduction26/01/22 06:29 PM
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Consider having a FWB conversation with her. “You’re a cool chick and I’m attracted to you, but I don’t think you’re relationship material. Still, you’re sexy as hell. If you want to get together and have some fun hit me up. I’m down for FWB.” This sends several messages: 1) You have validated her - she feels seen and sexy. 2) You have removed a relationship from the table. She may respond to this in one of 3 ways: she starts chasing because she wants to be your highest priority and suddenly wan…
/r/seduction24/01/22 06:21 PM
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I’d add that you’re a toy to play with when she’s bored. But you are definitely not first in line.
/r/seduction24/01/22 06:09 PM
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I've definitely noticed that these things come in waves. Once at work I was pretty sure there was some kind of contest to snag me since literally every single girl simultaneously started hitting on me. But it's also possible that one of them started crushing on me and talking about it, and that "social proof" was all that was needed to convince the others they wanted me too. The weirdest one was in the opposite direction though. Three women that didn't know each other "broke up" with me in a one…
/r/seduction17/01/22 09:03 PM
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Marital means “relating to marriage or the relationship of a married couple.”
/r/seduction12/01/22 05:21 PM
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I suspect that if your life didn’t consist solely of “sleep, eat, study, and go to the gym for an hour” you would have simply smiled and laughed at her reaction. Instead, your reaction (primarily facial expression and body language) likely confirmed to her that there may be a reason for concern. Your reaction was natural when you’re thinking the things you posted. But it’s also a big red flag for her. Since you said you’re good looking, it’s also possible she thinks you’re trying to hide that yo…
/r/seduction07/01/22 01:47 PM
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I absolutely agree that they hadn’t appropriately discussed boundaries. Combined with the fact they were not having sex I’d conclude they were not in a formal relationship. It’s possible (but unlikely given OP’s description) that they agreed to be exclusive gf/bf, but saying “I’m poly” without having a boundaries conversation opens that door wide again. I once had an exclusive girlfriend who made out with another girl in front of me. I was ok with it, but considered our exclusivity done at that …
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:51 PM
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If you're implying what I think you're implying, you clearly didn't look at my post history. Again, your hot take is hot garbage. Keep racking them up!
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:58 PM
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Poly means simultaneous involvement in multiple romantic and sexual relationships. Poly people tell their partners openly that they are poly. She openly told him. She's poly-amorous, not poly-celibate. You cannot simultaneously claim that you believe love for one person does not detract from love for another plus that it's OK to have multiple sex partners plus that you're not ready for sex with a particular guy plus you have a sexual claim on that guy that denies him any other physical relations…
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:14 PM
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A woman who tells you she’s poly is telling you she’s fucking multiple people. Your hot take is hot garbage:
/r/seduction04/01/22 03:41 PM
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The point is neither to sext nor get a date here. It’s much more immediate than that. He needs to find out whether there is any sexual attraction. Saying something racy will either offend or attract. That’s the polarization. Any positive response means he can move forward with her. A negative response means stop wasting time. He needs to find out where he stands.
/r/seduction03/01/22 10:16 AM
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It was mainly a rhetorical question intended to elicit a reasonable refutation (e.g. your personal experience is anecdotal and does not necessarily provide insight regarding thr general population). But that leads to the equally reasonable refutation that the anecdotal stories of multiple people may show correlation, but do not prove causation. You can claim cracking your knuckles cures the flu within a week and in nearly everyone that tries it, it will work! But the reason is because time is al…
/r/seduction03/01/22 10:11 AM
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Honestly, I know I’m an outlier. It’s absolutely true that I’ve never had an instance of ED. But it’s also true that I don’t ever lose my erection following ejaculation unless I stop stimulation and wait it out. I’ve always been naturally multi-orgasmic, and typically cum more than once while having sex with my wife. Generally (although not always) it does take slightly longer for each successive orgasm though. In an ironic twist, my wife is not multi-orgasmic and does not enjoy sex after she cu…
/r/seduction03/01/22 09:58 AM
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I’m aware of the difference. I’m also aware that someone curious may take things into their own hands. The oxygen deprivation aspect is the same whether alone or with a partner. But the safety is different.
/r/seduction03/01/22 08:04 AM
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I suspect a lot of it is anxiety about the potential for performance issues. Similar issue: I was never “pee shy” until a friend told me he was. Now it’s hard for me to start urinating when someone is standing at an adjacent urinal. Likely because I start thinking about it every time it happens. It works in much the same way as hypnosis. A strong suggestion to someone with a powerful imagination can manifest in phyical ways. It’s hard for me to offer practical advice about ED since I’ve never ha…
/r/seduction03/01/22 07:56 AM
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Yes, but don’t get carried away. People actually die from auto-erotic asphyxiation.
/r/seduction03/01/22 07:32 AM
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Thousands of people swear that homeopathy works. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy for a reason. Statistically, by doing nothing these men would also have seen their experiences improved.
/r/seduction03/01/22 04:53 AM
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The emergence of the internet also means that young men can talk anonymously about embarrassing problems that might otherwise never be raised. So is there a rise in ED? Or is there simply a rise in reporting? There are more variables than you pretend.
/r/seduction03/01/22 04:52 AM
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If these young men weren’t also horny motherfuckers, they wouldn’t be complaining about ED. The whole problem is being horny and not getting hard anyway. So that explains nothing.
/r/seduction03/01/22 04:36 AM
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Lol. The world changed, and I changed with it. It’s really the wrong question to ask, anyway. The problem with my experience is that it is anecdotal. What applies to one prrson doesn’t necessarily apply to the population at large. But there are also problems with the reports from the no-fap forums. Let’s assume for a moment that most healthy young men experiencing ED will get past it naturally with time. If they avoid porn they can attribute a natural return of function to their change in behavi…
/r/seduction03/01/22 04:32 AM
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That’s a great question. Here’s another: I’ve used porn my entire life, including many years before I first had sex. I’m 50 years old now. I have never had even one instance of ED. Not even after drinking heavily. If porn causes ED, how did it miss me?
/r/seduction03/01/22 03:45 AM
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You just (inaccurately) described one of the three studies the conclusion was based on. Look again. The study you inaccurately described was testing whether porn use physically causes ED. It used direct scientific measurements, not a subjective self-assessment, and showed that porn does not cause a condition in which an erection cannot be achieved or maintained. That’s important, because claiming that porn causes ED could mean that frequent erections physically change the body in a way that make…
/r/seduction03/01/22 03:09 AM
2

Just a guess, but it sounds like you are not spiking her emotions. She is initially attracted and excited about the idea she has in her mind regarding who you are. Then you interact logically and she feels like she’s dating a good-looking robot. It’s also possible that you simply talk about your interests without listening to hers, which makes her feel lonely and unappreciated when she’s with you. Have conversations that make her feel highs and lows. Make her feel laughter and desire. That tends…
/r/seduction03/01/22 03:08 AM
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This is a technique sales people call “going negative”. Rather than try to sell her on you (thus appearing pushy or desperate and de-valuing yourself) you agree and amplify her concerns. “Maybe this isn’t a good fit for you.” Now she’s being lightly pushed away and to feel balanced she pushes back. She’ll start to talk herself into the relationship instead of talking herself out of it. Be aware that there may be more going on than you know. She may have found someone she liked better, started pu…
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:56 AM
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Women tend to be attracted to men as providers. That means your wallet matters. They also are attracted to people with genetics different from their own. Both attractions are rooted in biology, since they increase the likelihood of successfully raising offspring. They are fundamental. Women are also often attracted to male risk-taking behavior. This isn’t universal, but it’s nearly universal among women who are willing to sleep with you on day one. Stepping off the plane into a different culture…
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:45 AM
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Simple! Move. Closer. Slowly. Alternate looking at her lips, then her eyes. You’re telegraphing your intention as you move closer. If she doesn’t get it at first it will become more obvious as you keep moving. Once she suspects you’re moving in for the kiss she will either back away to signal she isn’t interested (or isn’t ready yet), or she will freeze waiting for you to come to her (the romantic kiss), or she will move in toward you (the passionate kiss). Taking it slow gives her time to decid…
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:30 AM
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Sounds like you need to polarize. Send some more sexy text messages. If she’s into it, she’ll reciprocate. If you’ve been “friend zoned” you’ll find out quickly and can move on.
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:21 AM
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It depends on the girl… and on your technique… and on your eyes. I have nice blue eyes and find that most girls love staring into my eyes during sex - especially in missionary position. If girls are eye fucking you before sex, you can safely assume they want strong eye contact during sex. Giving good eye contact can make a girl feel like you’re seeing her soul, and connecting with her on a deeper level. If you’re uncomfortable with eye contact or orgasm better without it, feel free to mix it up.…
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:18 AM
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Except that it’s false. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/202201/evidence-mounts-porn-doesnt-cause-erectile-dysfunction%3famp
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:05 AM
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Addressing the last part of your comment: porn does not cause ED. Avoiding masturbation and porn is not a cure and is not helpful. That whole myth is grounded in religion, not science. We should not spend our time echoing those lies here. Particularly for people who are suffering. I will follow up with an edit adding a citation shortly. Edit as promised: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/202201/evidence-mounts-porn-doesnt-cause-erectile-dysfunction%3famp
/r/seduction03/01/22 01:55 AM
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Dude comes up and begs please to take a picture with you. Afterward he says, ”I will cherish this experience for the rest of my life.” Her: “Who was that? You: “Just a man I met in the restroom.”
/r/seduction03/01/22 12:35 AM
1

The FOMO was strong in her!
/r/seduction03/01/22 12:26 AM
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There’s literally no point to straw-man here. He was never with her. Most girls that are in the mood to party are down to kiss. That doesn’t establish a relationship. He doesn’t own her, and he was never “cucked”.
/r/seduction02/01/22 03:07 AM
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Excellent advice! Psychologically this is actually far better than just winning money if you approach. Avoiding loss is a more powerful motivator than trying to gain something that wasn’t already yours.
/r/seduction30/12/21 06:50 PM
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It seems the laugh is what’s bothering you. But I’d actually be bothered by the part where a relationship with you wouldn’t have worked a year ago. This says that her life stage dictates her partner in unpredictable ways. If you were unsuitable a year ago, you may be unsuitable a year from now. If you’re in this for the short term, NBD. If you’re looking for something long-term, find someone who’s more stable.
/r/seduction26/12/21 06:13 PM
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You certainly can’t have 100% confidence, but people that jump there quickly generally do so because it’s the way they think. It’s the reason that projection is so common when people accuse others. Regardless, if she’s thinking that so early in the relationship it’s a huge red flag.
/r/seduction23/12/21 06:47 PM
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This is a lesson I figured out when I was finishing high school. Everybody worries about being embarassed, but nobody really cares. Everyone that you think is judging you is more likely to be thinking, “I’m glad that’s not me.” They’re too busy thinking about themselves to spend any real time/energy thinking about you. It’s freeing to realize it doesn’t matter. Especially when you can laugh at yourself and have genuine fun not caring what other people think.
/r/seduction23/12/21 04:49 PM
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While this is accurate, it’s incomplete. Typically when people obsess over the idea that you’re still looking for sex with someone else it’s because that’s the way they think and act. She’s telling you that she gets into relationships but keeps looking for something new/better at the same time. Since you met her on Tinder there’s a good chance she’s still swiping in her spare time. If she wasn’t doing it yet, she will be.
/r/seduction23/12/21 04:44 PM
4

Exactly. The OP’s extreme examples made it sound like a cult induction technique.
/r/seduction16/12/21 06:27 PM
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It sounds like she may have been concerned about logistics/safety if she went to your place. She was more comfortable at her room, where she has her clothes and makeup, plus she can call management and kick you out if things go poorly. It’s also possible that she was on the fence about whether to sleep with you or find someone else, went back to her hotel to check her options, then called you when she didn’t find anyone better. The really funny thing about the second possibility is that there wa…
/r/seduction16/12/21 05:19 PM
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You’re (mostly) right. But the problem isn’t with “push” itself. It’s that these examples are over the top, just like “love bombing” is going too far. Although citing extreme examples is good for clearly defining what you mean, using these extreme examples is generally going waaaay too far. It certainly falls well into “manipulative” rather than simply flirty, playful, and care free; and reasonable, intelligent women (the one’s I’d prefer to date) are likely to think you are crazy and stay away.…
/r/seduction16/12/21 05:08 PM
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Based on the fact that you’re posting the question here, I’m going to make some wild assumptions. I suspect you may be logical, fastidious, and straight-forward. Women see you as competent. The advice below is geared toward adding a more sexy vibe for that assumption. Lower your voice, talk more slowly, narrow your eyes (close them part-way, look up “squinching”). Get comfortable with winking from the squinch. Your initial goal should be to look and act a bit more mysterious and mischievious. Th…
/r/seduction16/12/21 04:41 PM
1

Were you under the impression that his sex appeal cane AFTER he got famous? Eye roll.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:55 PM
1

If you want ear a shaved head like a cancer patient it probably won’t be perceived as attractive. But accompanied by vitality and muscle it’s manly. Nobody is telling “the Rock” to grow out his hair. As for hassle factor, welcome to life.
/r/seduction10/12/21 04:55 PM
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I know some guys who are extremely successful that are shaved, so it absolutely isn't true that "nobody likes that shit". However, it's a bit like a beard. They look great on some guys, but not on everyone.
/r/seduction09/12/21 07:55 PM
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Shave it. You’re back in business. It’s the invetween that tends to be unattractive.
/r/seduction09/12/21 09:11 AM
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If what you're doing isn't working, you should change what you are doing. It sounds like one or more of several things need to happen: 1) Work on yourself. Improve your hygiene, style, BMI, muscle, hairstyle, etc. Work on becoming attractive. 2) Stop being creepy. If a woman is telling you to go away after 5 minutes, you've stayed too long and become scary and/or repulsive. Ideally, you should leave while she still wants to talk to you. This is why the "false time constraint" is a concept. Don't…
/r/seduction09/12/21 01:27 AM
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If you genuinely want to give honest feedback at least tone it down to something like, “You seem cool.” You’re still being complimentary, but with some skepticism / challenge implied as well. It can come off as both complimentary and teasingly flirty. Rather than telling her you like her, you ideally want her thinking about what she needs to do to get you to like her.
/r/seduction08/12/21 05:02 PM
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Physical presence is like a cheat code. You have so much more ability to spike emotions and interest than is possible with a photo and a blurb. And your potential matches aren’t chosen by an algorithm… you get to do it yourself.
/r/seduction02/12/21 05:01 PM
0

If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.
/r/seduction26/11/21 06:16 AM
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This is 6' tall, 170 lbs for the Americans.
/r/seduction21/11/21 04:05 AM
2

To be clear, the intent of the coin toss the way I suggested it is not to get a random outcome. Rather, it's to make it appear that a decision has been made so that you can gauge whether you are happy or sad about the outcome. If you are happy with it, do what the coin says. If you aren't, then do the opposite! Your immediate reaction to the result of the coin flip can often crystalize your real desires and help you take action.
/r/seduction17/11/21 11:09 PM
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Hell, one or both may still ghost you after a face-to-face meeting. This dilemma may resolve itself. If both are still very interested after meeting in person you can flip a coin. Heads is the older girl, tails the younger. Once it has landed and a random “decision” has been made, assess whether you are happy or disappointed. Then act on that feeling when making the actual decision.
/r/seduction17/11/21 08:58 PM
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I’d recommend initiating conversation, but still allowing room for him to lead. “You’re cute.” or “You’re hot.” Or “You look interesting.” Would br a great opener. Most guys don’t get complimented regularly, so you’ll stand out. Going further with “You’re hot. Let’s fuck.” will work on some men, but will be a huge red flag for others. If he’s not leading you can ask what he’s doing later and whether he wants company. Just leave it ambiguous enough that he can think he was the one that hooked you…
/r/seduction16/11/21 09:17 PM
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This is the exact problem that scoring failures is intended to cure. Go out with the goal of getting rejected at least 10 times. Since it’s your goal anyway, you can laugh off any rejections. If you don’t get rejected, it’s a happy surprise. Doing anything can be scary. Do it repeatedly and you’ll first lose your fear, then you’ll become unfazed. Pretty quickly the panic fight/flight mode stops activating and you can actually talk like a human instead of a panicking idiot. At that point you have…
/r/seduction16/11/21 07:08 AM
3

Funny thing: you get to choose where you meet people.
/r/seduction14/11/21 11:10 PM
3

People still meet offline.
/r/seduction14/11/21 08:59 PM
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Look around at older people. There are fat, bald, 50 year-old men that have wives and kids. Watch couples and you will see women with men that can't hold a candle to you. For the people that say women only want X, STFU. It's bullshit of the highest order. For the people that say, "Do X and you can have any woman you want!" - it's also bullshit of the highest order. Women are (brace yourself for this) people. They are individuals. They have different wants, tastes, etc. For sure, there are trends…
/r/seduction14/11/21 07:33 AM
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I am so relieved that the description didn’t just say, “I turned 24!”
/r/seduction13/11/21 09:56 PM
1

What are you on about? The definition you gave? You NEVER gave a definition. The closest you came is providing a description of the feelings that you personally associate with the word, "when I hear vulnerable I conote [sic] it with a soft-spoken, depressive and helpless guy on the verge of tears." The fact that you have personal baggage associated with the word hardly equates to a definition. It just means you're a little wacky and need therapy to help understand that the word doesn't inherentl…
/r/seduction11/11/21 01:52 AM
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“Repulsive” doesn’t get laid. You oversold your point by eeveral miles.
/r/seduction09/11/21 05:57 AM
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Vulnerability just means not trying to hide from the truth. Pretending you don’t have flaws is not attractive. It shows lack of self-knowledge and unwillingness to change. If you feel like crying, vulnerability can mean crying. But most of the time that isn’t what it means. In the case of A, she was a nurse. She picked that profession because she wanted to be a healer. She specifically seeks out people she can “fix”, and the fact that I was a little broken made her emotionally invested in me. I …
/r/seduction08/11/21 06:03 PM
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Your underlying premise is that men with weaknesses and faults do not get laid. That premise is complete bullshit. I’m very comfortable with self-improvement, but you’ve gone way past that and deep into denial.
/r/seduction08/11/21 05:43 PM
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You are a moron. The word “repulsive” is laden with emotional baggage. You were unsatisfied with “unattractive” (which wlso would have been untrue) and went WAY over the top. You have some serious shit to deal with.
/r/seduction08/11/21 05:29 PM
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Shortly after I broke up with my first sexual partner, I met a woman “A” who was 8 years older than me. She was a registered nurse who provided in-home care, living in someone else’s house and drawing a salary too. She was a stunning blonde who looked like she had just walked off the set of a soap opera. I obviously had no chance with A, but her little sister “B” was dating my friend, so when we went on a several hour road trip we drove A’s Audi while my friend and the sister drove in his car fo…
/r/seduction08/11/21 05:27 PM
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You really need to deal with your insecurities, brother. This is not realistic, normal, or healthy. This reaction is like a man who freaks out about homosexuals. Gay people are not inherently threatening, so freaking out is demonstrating that homosexuals are threatening to him. Most likely it’s because he’s trying to fight his same-sex attraction. Similarly, if you think vulnerability is “repulsive” you’re demonstrating fear. Likely it’s fear of perceived ugliness in yourself. A man can be confi…
/r/seduction08/11/21 05:18 PM
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It sounds like you're making something of nothing here. A permanent STI is relevant, as are any kids she has. Her history beyond that is only meaningful if it corresponds to a character flaw. For instance: If she had numerous sexual partners via cheating on boyfriends, that would significant. If she was not cheating? Shouldn't be an issue.
/r/seduction05/11/21 09:40 PM
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Yep. I asked a random girl at Denny’s with a lip ring if we could make out just because I wanted to know what it felt like. She was down. Another time I was singing karaoke and a random girl was standing near the stage watching me. When I finished I started making out with her without ever saying anything. She was into it. I always advise people to move slowly, which gives her time to register what is coming, make her own decision, and either builds a little anticipation or lets her move away.
/r/seduction04/11/21 06:34 AM
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Now try jazz dancing. Women who do ballroom dancing are a bit prim. Choose a dance style that is all about body expression and you get women who want to express themselves physically. This is getting laid on easy mode.
/r/seduction02/11/21 03:39 PM
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The first time I realized this is a very good thing to hear I was with a girl that had been flirting and giving me “fuck me” eyes. I was dressed very well and surrounded by people that weren’t when I met her. She was a solid 10. She aproached me and asked what I was doing there (implying that I stood out from the crowd in a good way). My response was unintentionally ambiguous. While looking her in the eyes with a sly smile I said, “I was just wondering the same thing.” She initially registered i…
/r/seduction01/11/21 03:55 PM
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Sounds like a fantastic opportunity to stand out from the crowd. I’m reminded of a story where two shoe salesmen went to India during the early days of British rule. The first sent a telegram back saying, “Situation hopeless. They don’t wear shoes.” The second sent his report, “Glorious opportunity! Nobody has any shoes!” People do cold approach in England and succeed. It can be done. And unless they outlaw it, it’s still going to get better results than not doing it.
/r/seduction31/10/21 05:40 AM
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Yes, she was a stripper. And yes, I expect it would have been fine if she wasn’t. It would have just looked like I was razzing her about being non-specific.
/r/seduction29/10/21 02:11 AM
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The "You look like you..." opener reminds me of a conversation with a cute girl. When I asked what she does, she was a little evasive and said "I'm in client relations." I teased back with, "Stripper, huh?" She looked surprised and laughed, "How'd you know!?" It really broke the tension and showed that I wasn't phased by it.
/r/seduction28/10/21 11:46 PM
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I agree. If she wants to "think about it" you should be letting her know that you aren't waiting for her answer, you're moving on. This approach has several advantages: 1) It isn't needy or creepy; 2) It allows you to make other plans so you're not just sitting around hoping that she decides she wants to see you; and 3) It may give her FOMO. If she knows you're moving on and she actually is undecided, she'll recognize it's either yes or she loses the opportunity.
/r/seduction28/10/21 03:59 AM
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Several dangers here. The biggest is that you book the trip, pay her way, and while waiting for the big event she decides she’s done with you. Maybe she isn’t attracted to you anymore, maybe she gets a boyfriend. Now you have all the expenses and none of the benefits you anticipated.
/r/seduction27/10/21 09:02 PM
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Man seeks woman with borderline personality disorder.
/r/seduction25/10/21 03:53 PM
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Everybody is scared of rejection. That's just normal. It's really good that you have a job where you interact with a variety of people. That definitely helps with social calibration and your comfort interacting with strangers. It's also true that some people will not be interested, or will feign interest even when there is none. Hell, you'll probably see some people fake positivity just so they won't appear racist. None of that changes the fact that you have to make an effort in order to allow s…
/r/seduction22/10/21 10:46 PM
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It would be butthurt if you initiated the conversation. If she did, it's just lack of interest.
/r/seduction22/10/21 10:29 PM
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Funny thing: Two relationships before my current one, I was dating a Japanese girl. She was fun and a little kinky (liked to be tied up and have hot wax dripped on her). For my birthday, she bought me a cologne that I hadn't seen before. I don't remember what it was specifically, but when I asked her why she liked it she said it made me smell like a black man. (More specifically, I think it was a cologne her black ex-boyfriend wore.) There are definitely Asian women that are sexually attracted t…
/r/seduction22/10/21 10:00 PM
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If “she’s gorgeous” is all you can think, you’re likely to have a bad conversation and talk like a fool. You have to be able to shift your brain out of that rut. Treat her like a person. She is one! If there are things you like about her from the conversation, it’s much better to show interest in that instead of her looks. You can compliment her beauty, but it’s easier, more natural and less desperate to communicate your interest using eye contact during your conversation. Even better if you can…
/r/seduction22/10/21 08:47 PM
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This still leaves two possibilities: 1) You are intimidated by women you find attractive; and/or 2) You aren’t sure how to show romantic or sexual interest in a woman. If it’s just intimidation based on attraction, approaching more shoukd decrease your adrenaline response and tendency to over-think. There are women that are marginally attractive that will give you the cold shoulder and act “too good for you”, and stunning women that are down-to-earth and easy to talk to. By approaching you’ll le…
/r/seduction22/10/21 07:48 PM
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You can’t simultaneously feel comfortable approaching anyone and provide a field report regarding your first approach. Either it’s your first or it’s not. That’s the mutually exclusive part. I tried to resolve this contradiction with my speculation about his meaning.
/r/seduction22/10/21 07:16 PM
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The saturation approach advice really only applies to people who are comfortable approaching. Your posts are contradictory in this respect, since you seem to think it’s easy to approach and create a positive interaction with a stranger, yet you claim in your report that this was a first approach. Those things are mutually exclusive. If you’re regularly talking to male and female strangers, you have made approaches countless times. I’m interpreting this contradiction to mean that you are comforta…
/r/seduction22/10/21 07:08 PM
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That seems a bit of a silly question then. You definitely should not explicitly show sexual intent toward people you are not actually attracted to “just for practice”. Edit: I didn’t see explicit sexual intent in your field report either. From your description you showed at best a mild romantic curiosity.
/r/seduction22/10/21 07:00 PM
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It depends on how you do it. If you’re approaching by being a friendly person and seeing where the conversation goes, knock yourself out and do it 100 times. You’re making the world a better place.
/r/seduction22/10/21 06:48 PM
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Better tone it down a bit: “k”
/r/seduction22/10/21 04:24 PM
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Amen to this. I'll add that as a man I didn't have great role models for communication in relationships. Often the biggest things I learned from the seduction community was how to express my own relationship needs rather than simply hoping things will go in the direction I desire. Now I can do that while being playful and seductive, which makes reciprocating much more enjoyable for my partner.
/r/seduction21/10/21 09:02 PM
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This is an interesting post, but I approach this issue from nearly the exact opposite direction. Taking the steps you listed will vastly improve your success with women. Accordingly, doing those things IS learning seduction. Sure, you can learn things from there that are more advanced, but an extremely high percentage of the advice on this subreddit is focused on getting your own life together, learning to be gregarious, learning to read social and body language cues, etc. These things benefit y…
/r/seduction21/10/21 08:50 PM
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Some tips: 1) Learn a little about body language. Notice things like: *The direction people's feet are pointing. If they are pointing away from you or toward an exit path it likely means they are trying to end the conversation and move away. If they are pointed at you, the person wants to stay and engage *Who do they look at when they laugh? When you are with multiple people and someone tells a joke, people instinctively look toward the person they feel most connected with. They want to see that…
/r/seduction21/10/21 06:54 PM
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This is true, but controversial because it is double-edged. People come here because they have poor results with women and want to improve. A portion of those people have poor results because they have poor social skills/calibration. Some are just clueless about how to act around women. Some have low self esteem. And some just want a place to vent their frustrations and share their successes. I come here because I grew up thinking I was ugly and unlovable, and it took time for me to realize that…
/r/seduction21/10/21 05:26 AM
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You are a moron. Not reading your shit. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
/r/seduction20/10/21 11:51 PM
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I didn't suggest negging and qualifying. You just proved that YOUR approach is being an asshole. Thank you for clarifying. What I'm much more concerned about it you trying to tell someone who's had no success with women that even trying is harassment, so he should only do it in small doses. Shut the fuck up, asshole.
/r/seduction20/10/21 09:47 PM
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Correction: What if my sister, daughter or mother was approached by a shy but nice guy who asked an innocuous question and then left her alone. Chill the fuck out. Not every guy wants or needs to do this, so it isn't going to happen constantly. In fact, I'd say that statistically whether this guy does or does not approach will have a 0% impact on women's life experiences. This guy needs to get over his social anxiety. You are not fucking helping.
/r/seduction20/10/21 09:01 PM
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This happened to me with a girlfriend when I was younger. Some sexual activity and making out was allowed when spending the night, but no sex. I got frustrated and banged a girl 2. Then the next time girl 1 spent the night it finally happened. I suspect there were a couple factors: 1) She was inexperienced. Had only one previous partner who left her shortly after they had sex. She saw sex as dangerous since I might leave too. Needed a lot of comfort to take that step. 2) I was over-eager. My fru…
/r/seduction20/10/21 03:30 PM
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Sorry, you've already lost this argument. It's clear from his field report that an "approach" consists of as little as 10 seconds of small talk. He can easily achieve this multiple times per day, and isn't "hassling" someone in the process. Just because you are a jerk doesn't mean everyone is a jerk when they approach. The whole point is to be gregarious and fun for everyone. Clearly you could work on that yourself. More to the point, I specifically said he should approach everyone. The idea is …
/r/seduction19/10/21 10:29 PM
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I almost entirely agree with this, although there are some people (IV drug users or something like that) that I simply won't date regardless of any other factors. In this instance I wasn't trying to argue tommythinks' frame though. It felt like a waste of time when his underlying point regarding limiting the number of approaches was wrong. He was the one that was suggesting "going for girls in your league". The bottom line for me is that you can do 100 approaches in a week or 100 approaches in a…
/r/seduction19/10/21 01:22 AM
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I actually specifically described how a coach might be beneficial for someone earlier today. It's very much situation dependent.
/r/seduction19/10/21 01:17 AM
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This is pretty solid advice. Most people really don't need a coach, and even for the people that could benefit from one, often having a friend watch your approach is enough to get the feedback you need.
/r/seduction18/10/21 10:17 PM
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Good report! I like that you are taking action and using the forum to hold yourself accountable. I gave you some feedback, and I'm looking forward to another report. Keep at it and it will get less daunting. Then it starts to seem normal. Eventually it may even seem easy.
/r/seduction18/10/21 10:14 PM
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This isn't a bad result. The point is that you are overcoming your approach anxiety. The best way to do that is through repetition. I once dated a girl who had severe social anxiety. I encouraged her to get a job as a waitress, so that she would constantly be interacting with strangers, and talking to them would become natural. It worked wonders for her. Based on your description, I would advise you to talk to men as well as women. Learn to be friendly, and learn to notice cues that the conversa…
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:52 PM
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If approaching 30-40 per day means "being a jerk" to you, you might be a jerk. Approaching means being gregarious. It means trying to start a conversation. It doesn't mean being overbearing and trying to force a conversation with someone that doesn't want to talk to you. I can easily approach 30 people in a day without offending a single person. Again, this is someone brand new to approaching. Setting the bar high is setting up for failure. Lower your expectations.
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:51 PM
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Actually, approaching loads of women and embarrassing himself may be the single best thing he can do. It would mean demystifying approaching and getting into an unfazed mindset. At this point he is approaching nobody because of fear. Getting over that fear means he is able to approach in the future. Concentrating on getting the "right" person now not only has a very low chance of success, it burns the very bridge he hopes to cross before he has crossed it. Your advice sucks.
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:25 PM
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It is 100% wrong to encourage someone who literally just told you they have never had so much as a hug to limit their approaches. He literally doesn't know what his league is yet. This person needs to practice the social aspect of approaching, not just focus on a poorly defined end goal.
/r/seduction18/10/21 06:28 PM
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You don't like it when a man leans in close and half growls, half whispers into your ear in a low seductive voice, "Do you want to play naughty girl or nice girl?" You'd be the first in my experience. It all depends on how it is asked.
/r/seduction17/10/21 07:11 PM
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Better is: "It seems like this texting isn't really going anywhere, but it was cool talking to you." Now she has a choice between accepting a friendly goodbye or making some effort/escalating to try to keep your attention. When she asks why you think it's not going anywhere tell her it's because she doesn't want to meet. If she wants to play "attention seeking", at least make it on your terms.
/r/seduction15/10/21 12:44 AM
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This is excellent albeit counter-intuitive advice. This approach is used in sales as well. It's referred to as "going negative". People don't trust you when you try to make everything seem positive, so sales people are often trained to be just a little more negative than you. That way, your instinct to push back is actually pushing you toward justifying a purchase in your own mind. Plus you get to feel like you were buying on your own volition rather than as a result of high-pressure tactics.
/r/seduction15/10/21 12:39 AM
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This advice is generally bad, since the underlying mindset is subservient. I’ll give a situational example to explain: Girl and guy live together. Girl starts to get more distant, tells guy she isn’t sure she’s “in love” with him anymore. It becomes clear that girl is developing feelings for another guy. She wants to break up. The best response in this situation is move her out immediately and limit any future contact to terms you dictate. She is taking the security you’ve provided for granted a…
/r/seduction14/10/21 04:11 PM
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I’m aware that girls rarely approach. I only know one guy who regularly gets approached. He has several things going for him - mainly his exotic looks/accent and the fact that he’s extremely good looking. I’ve seen women come up to him to tell him he is “beautiful”. Many approach indirectly, talking to others in his group because they are intimidated. Ironically, he’s pretty shy. But then he can afford to be I guess.
/r/seduction13/10/21 03:30 AM
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There are people that are naturally socially calibrated to attract. We call them "naturals". There are also people who because of their looks constantly have women approach them. They learn quickly through experience. If you don't fall into one of those two categories, getting some advice can be very helpful.
/r/seduction12/10/21 10:22 PM
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It sounds like he is may be interested in someone else. He isn’t getting anywhere with them, wants sex, and you are available. So he calls. Then he just feels bad afterward since he really wanted sex with the other person. He’s treating you like a bad habit. This means your question is “How do I convince this guy to keep failing into bed with me? I think your best answer is to show some self-respect and cut him off. This forces him to either forget about you as an option, or change his behavior …
/r/seduction11/10/21 04:05 PM
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You created emotion and drama. You created a story in her mind where she is a main character, not just another person in the bar. And you were the other main character. She wanted to know where the story goes. You just experienced life as alpha.
/r/seduction10/10/21 05:00 PM
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If you don’t know her well and she’s telling you to fill her jelly donut, you need to assume she’s actively trying to get pregnant. Hell even if you know her well you should assume that. I dated a girl for several weeks who told me she was on the pill. After I moved on she got pregnant by her next boyfriend while still “on the pill”. Turns out the pill was a low-dose intended to regulate her cycle. She took the pills when she felt she needed them, rather than every day. They offered near zero bi…
/r/seduction10/10/21 04:25 PM
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Dancing, concerts (depending on music), aerobics+yoga+pilates Depending on your age, college too. Women outnumber men on most college campuses now. If you're in Alaska you're screwed though. Move to a state that has women.
/r/seduction09/10/21 07:00 PM
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An activity with a high female to male ratio is easier. It sounds like you’re playing in hard mode and adding difficulty by drinking.
/r/seduction09/10/21 05:49 PM
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Yeah, that likely confirms that you didn’t make her feel anything. For that kind of conversation I typically wouldn’t try to get her number yet, unless I definitely won’t be seeing her again and it’s “now or never”.
/r/seduction04/10/21 04:07 AM
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My favorite first kiss technique is to go sloooow. This gives her time to register what is happening and either avoid the kiss if it is unwanted, or build anticipation if it is wanted. If you’re moving slowly, she’ll make a decision when it still isn’t 100% clear you’re going for a kiss. That means she’s not totally confident she read your intentions correctly. If she moves away, she can’t really accuse you of going too far. If she moves in, she’ll still have time to savor the moment. When a mom…
/r/seduction04/10/21 04:01 AM
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I think this is one of the big reasons people do push/pull. It creates rapid contrasts between validation and playful deprecation. The contrast makes each seem more powerful. You can tell stories about your life, or even “guess” (i.e. make up) stories about her life. But choose stories with emotional impact over stories that make you sound good. When you get a vibe going, start thinking about exit strategy. Have a reason why you can’t stay. Make sure you’re getting her number while she is still …
/r/seduction04/10/21 03:39 AM
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You seemed nice, but you didn’t make her feel anything. If you engage her emotions uou’ll be more polarizing. Either she’ll like you or hate you. Either one is better than thinking you are a “nice guy” but ultimately a waste of her time.
/r/seduction04/10/21 03:19 AM
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The answer is situation specific, so it’s hard to give advice but… If you’re wanting him to see you in a new way, it might be helpful to tell him you are seeing him in a new way. Example: “You’re really not the guy I thought you were when I first met you.” (Now add specifics where his newly-discovered attributes are ones you think he has AND ALSO ones that might lead him to act how you would like him to act. This gives him permission and incentive to live up to your expectations.) This does a fe…
/r/seduction03/10/21 06:37 PM
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I definitely agree. My list was in brainstorm order, not best advice first!
/r/seduction03/10/21 05:50 PM
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Asking can be extremely sexy. You just have to do it right. It can be seductive and heighten anticipation. The number one erogenous zone is the brain.
/r/seduction03/10/21 05:46 PM
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Right, but the advice was to ask her what dirty talk she likes. So I'd say it was sound.
/r/seduction03/10/21 04:12 AM
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I can add a few minor notes: When having sex, if it starts feeling mundane to you, it probably does to her too. Shift positions, find an angle that feels good to you. Chances are very good it will feel better to her too. Breasts can be very pressure sensitive too. Many women like when you squeeze the entire breast against her body with light pressure. Imagine a tight-fitting bra. Hips can be a significant erogenous zone when used properly. For instance, when kissing place your hands on her hips …
/r/seduction03/10/21 04:10 AM
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What, asking how she wants to be talked to and then talking to her that way?
/r/seduction03/10/21 04:01 AM
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To be clear, the intent is to eliminate approach anxiety. Once you have that under control aiming to fail is useless. Several years ago this was a common game for people just starting out. You’d go out with friends and set a goal of getting rejected X times. It forces you to practice approaching and “failure” becomes “success”.
/r/seduction01/10/21 03:16 PM
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Two things: 1) If you're going to play the numbers game, don't do it in a single venue where people generally know each other. If you do that at the same bar regularly or even on a college campus, you could end up being known as the creepy desperate guy that approaches every girl. 2) I've done approach game with the complete expectation of rejection. Knowing she will reject you is strangely empowering, since her saying no literally doesn't phase you. You can even chuckle a bit when it happens. F…
/r/seduction30/09/21 11:31 PM
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It's funny how we build up things in our mind. "What if she says no??" The answer to that is so simple: "OK. Then I'll be in the same position I was in before I approached." If you don't approach, you never give her a chance to say yes.
/r/seduction30/09/21 11:23 PM
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This is why gay men are so unattractive to hot women. Wait, what? Hot women are interested in what now? Oh sweet Jesus. Ok, minor correction… just a heads-up: You can attract way more women by being just a little bit pretty, especially if it means you’re not being afraid to do your own thing. That’s the real IDGAF.
/r/seduction26/09/21 06:23 PM
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I can relate to this. I'm 6'2" and when I go out with my buddy Jeff who is WAY shorter (probably 5'5"), HE'S consistently the one attracting attention. He carries himself like he's a winner that's having a great time and he DGAF. He's an absolute magnet. Edit: He also wears glasses and is in very good shape physically. I imagine when women see him they initially see a short guy, then a guy that dresses well, then a buff guy, then a guy with glasses. The immediate impression is that he takes care…
/r/seduction20/09/21 05:31 PM
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You know how women always complain about getting fingered because fingers are so small and unsatisfying? ...wait... they don't complain about that? People mostly focus on penis size not because it's inherently important, but because it's psychologically associated with manliness. But BEING a man is far more associated with manliness than having a big dick. You are who you are. Do NOT apologize for that. Man up. Now go lay some pipe.
/r/seduction14/09/21 05:37 PM
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For someone in a non-monogamous marriage that is juggling several women at once it would be crazy to be butt-hurt when she wants to see someone else. This sub isn't about pimpin', it's seduction. And what he's doing is absolutely working for him.
/r/seduction02/09/21 05:26 PM
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Did you notice that you are in a seduction sub and OP is in a non-monogamous marriage already? I don't think he needs her to be exclusive with him and he definitely doesn't need her to be there long term. Yes, he let her have control of the situation, but she was already gone at that point. He gave her permission to come back without judgement and she did. Without the text, she may have just been embarrassed and avoided him looking for a new guy. He's not needy/thirsty. (But you might be.)
/r/seduction02/09/21 05:23 PM
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I think you misunderstand. You're not avoiding her. You're just not initiating further conversation because you are waiting for her to elaborate. If she's not saying anything, you can literally just text "?" If she doesn't provide more info, there was nothing there anyway.
/r/seduction01/09/21 10:37 PM
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One more tip: When you are out with R and T, watch what happens when someone says something funny. People instinctively look at the person they are most connected to or more interested in when they laugh. They want to share that moment with that person. So if R looks at you while she's laughing she may be interested. If she's looking at T, she is just there to be her wingman and at minimum isn't interested yet.
/r/seduction01/09/21 07:32 PM
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First: You're sounding needy and fixated on one girl. That's not good. It won't help you with R or anyone else for that matter. Remember that T may be equally fixated on you and asking the same things (What do I do to get him? I'll do anything!) Is her obsession going to help her get you? No? Same thing with R. Second: It's entirely possible that R isn't interested in you and only responded to try to help T. That would mean telling T you just like her as a friend isn't going to help you get with…
/r/seduction01/09/21 07:30 PM
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Since R knows T, I strongly suspect that they’ve talked about you. R probably knows more about the situation than you do. She knows you asked her out, so she knows you’re interested. And she knows what she feels. Plus she knows what T told her. Based on R’s actions, I suspect T told R that she is into you. R is trying to be a good friend. If that’s true, it doesn’t mean you can’t get with R. Pre-selection (i.e. someone she trusts likes you) actually helps with attraction. But you might need to m…
/r/seduction01/09/21 04:53 PM
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This openness ironically probably works a little better on the thin girls than the curvy ones. Women know that a high percentage of men will say anything to hook up, but then ditch them when they get bored. Telling a woman you are not into something about her makes you less of a threat plus it might make her feel like she has to earn your attention if she is interested in you. Probably better to keep it about her personality, her style, or her eyes. (Eyes because she is unlikely to be self-consc…
/r/seduction01/09/21 04:44 PM
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This description is super hard to follow. But if T “likes” you and R invited her along, it sounds like R is a wingman for T. If you bring a 4th person, R may leave with the new guy to give you and T some alone time. I’d keep things as simple as possible. Go with the girls and without a 4th. 2 is better than 3, but it sounds like that ship has sailed. If you haven’t actually met R in person before, I’d play this exactly the same way as if you were going to hang out with T for the day and she rand…
/r/seduction01/09/21 04:23 PM
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Agreed. Silence is best for mutiple reasons. It’s a powerful negotiating tactic (especially in person), since the silence creates an awkwardness and people want to fill that by elaborating. If she wants to continue messaging she’ll likely provide information or excuses, and may even provide alternate times/days. If she doesn’t, she didn’t want to continue messaging and any reply is just bothering her, looking needy, and wasting your time.
/r/seduction01/09/21 03:39 PM
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Understood. But being awkward or butt-hurt about it isn't going to make things better. If you're unfazed she sees you as stronger and more independent. And more importantly OTHER people see you as stronger and more independent. You may end up attracting someone else.
/r/seduction30/08/21 05:18 AM
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It means it looks like you are actually encouraging her. You aren't judging her or mad. It's friendly, flirty, and not pushy.
/r/seduction30/08/21 05:11 AM
1

In that situation, doing what I suggested just looks like a "you go, girl!" It still works. Edit: And it makes you look laid-back, fun, and secure.
/r/seduction30/08/21 04:51 AM
2

I'd flirt distantly in this situation. While passing by her, smile and wink without saying anything or stopping. That way if she didn't want to interact, you weren't bothering her. And if she did, you gave her hope and left her wanting more.
/r/seduction30/08/21 04:49 AM
5

It sounds like you're already doing the pull. You just might want to add some light teasing and some mild indicators of aloofness/disinterest. I like this quote that sums up the purpose and mentality: "Think of this style of flirting as hanging a toy in front of a cat. If you hold the toy in front of the cat, they won’t go after it - in fact if you lay it on the ground they won’t even look twice, but if you dangle it and pull it back right when they swat at it, creating movement… they’ll go craz…
/r/seduction24/08/21 05:05 AM
5

You can absolutely keep the "affectionate and cuddly" part of you and still have "game". You just might need to add a little "push" to the "pull". Gotta have balance so you don't come off clingy.
/r/seduction24/08/21 03:59 AM
32

"Oh sweetie. My game is subtle. But effective." [wink] ROFL
/r/seduction24/08/21 03:55 AM
5

You can look at this from the perspective of psychology. First, look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow-needs2.webp Once a person is comfortable with one level of the pyramid, they start trying to move to the next. In this instance, your ex is working on her psychological needs, including both "Belonging and Love" and "Esteem Needs". She knows that you have been able to provide both in the past, and she is seeking validation again. The irony is that she is li…
/r/seduction23/08/21 06:29 PM
5

I'll consider it, but it's pretty NSFW. And embarrassing.
/r/seduction23/08/21 04:40 AM
5

It's worse than I make it sound too. I actually aimed my pelvis downward so that as she pressed back against me she wouldn't notice my boner.
/r/seduction23/08/21 04:38 AM
24

I’m sure it didn’t help that I was raised Mormon and never had anybody come onto me before. To say I was out of my element is a gross understatement. I got better though! :)
/r/seduction22/08/21 08:37 PM
135

You greatly underestimate the stupidity of young men and the power of denial in the mind of someone who: A) Is scared of rejection; and B) Does not believe they are good looking. I had a naked, incredibly hot girl laying “little spoon” on a couch with me under a blanket, with her legs wrapped around mine. My actual thoughts at the time: “Is she into me? Nah. She’s just very comfortable with nudity because she’s a stripper. The blanket is for warmth, and her legs are intertwined with mine so she …
/r/seduction22/08/21 05:30 PM
6

She might just like humble-brag complaining to her frirnds that all her exes are still obsessed with her.
/r/seduction14/08/21 07:55 PM
1

I think maybe one of them legit thought we were exclusive since she wasn’t dating anyone else, another was being a drama queen and just wanted to yell something when she didn’t get her way (a co-worker, yelling at me at work to increase the cringe factor, including the line “You think you can just fuck me and leave me??” - I’m not making that mistake again), and the third was the one that called me out of the blue after years of no contact. I think she’d been using the idea of “I have a boyfrien…
/r/seduction06/08/21 05:50 PM
1

I agree - that’s why timing is important. If you’re messaging a ghost for long enough that the ghosting is complete, it’s a bit like the girl that called me to break up after I hadn’t spoken to her for 2 years. ??? (On a somewhat-related note she was one of three girls that “broke up” with me that week despite the fact that I wasn’t exclusive with any of them. That was one of my weirdest dating experiences and gave me a good laugh.)
/r/seduction06/08/21 05:39 PM
1

My guess is that she likes you and is physically attracted, but there are other aspects of you that make you an unsuitable partner. There’s a box you are not checking. Could be job, family, her friends’ opinion of you, your drinking/smoking/partying, height, living situation, an ex-boyfriend she never got over, etc. Whatever it is, it’s not a deal-breaker in the moment, but it is when she’s dispassionately thinking while you’re not around. I would let such people know they are dismissed. It plac…
/r/seduction06/08/21 05:30 PM
3

By the same logic, women choosing to date tall, good-looking men with high-paying jobs hate men!! Bullshit. Preferences are not prejudice. Prejudice would be saying, “All women are hoes”, not “I don’t want a promiscuous wife.”
/r/seduction05/08/21 07:19 PM
1

I’m not sure how you miss the logical leap from “This woman has had a lot of partners” to “”I am unlikely to be this woman’s last sexual partner.” When making a decision about a partner for life, that math definitely matters. Is it possible to overcome that obstacle in a specific relationship? Absolutely. But I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t a factor.
/r/seduction05/08/21 07:02 PM
4

I love and respect women. I have dated promiscuous women but never considered marrying them. They seemed far less likely to desire marriage, and far less likely to be faithful and stay in a marriage long-term. I hadn’t consciously considered the biological aspect, but it makes sense. I married a woman who had one previous partner. We have 3 kids now and am 100% confident they are mine. Married for 21 years and going strong. Stability/fidelity in a long term partner is definitely important.
/r/seduction05/08/21 06:57 PM
3

Or she’s incredibly shy and made a panic exit. 🤣
/r/seduction24/07/21 05:33 PM
3

“Wow. I must have been a bit wasted. I thought this was (insert someone else, sister, FWB, etc). I can still hook you up, but I’ll need $65 for the battery and $50 for my time.” Hell, you can even grow a spine, skip the confusion part and just give her the $ damage news. You said she didn’t have to worry, not “it’s all free ‘cause I’m a sucker, baby!”
/r/seduction24/07/21 05:21 PM
0

It's possible that she really is old fashioned. It's also possible that she's using "you didn't open the door for me" as en excuse since she didn't feel a spark and thinks that's an easier way to say it's not going to work out, especially since she's dealing with a co-worker that she'll have to continue to see professionally in the future.
/r/seduction17/07/21 05:52 PM
14

Add to this that although you are expected to act as a father figure, you are also not permitted to act as a father figure. All of the responsibility, none of the authority. She can and will over-rule you, and the kid may be permitted to do the same depending on the woman. Plus you can often expect resentment from the child since they may want their parents to get back together and think of you as the problem.
/r/seduction17/07/21 05:47 PM
2

You're the one experiencing the situation, but if there was no attraction before and there is attraction now because the situation has changed, the same advice applies. She likes you now that your situation has improved and you are more attractive to other women. But her attraction sounds fickle. I'd be very concerned that she's very capable of "no longer being in love with you" when circumstances change again.
/r/seduction01/06/21 09:39 PM
10

"You don’t wife up girls who ignored you and overlooked you when you are at your lowest, son." THIS. If you want a solid long-term relationship, it cannot be with someone who is only interested when things are good. Problems arise, and dating a flaky woman is asking for a breakup or divorce on top of your other problems. Bad timing. Bad social support. Bad choice.
/r/seduction31/05/21 10:15 PM
9

It also sounds like she wants freedom, even within a relationship. She wants someone that won't react poorly when she decides she wants to ride another guy. As long as this is just casual (or you happen to be into the swinging lifestyle), this is fine. If you're looking for something more traditional, this is a red flag.
/r/seduction11/05/21 03:46 PM
1

No, not an escort. Even a very patient and empathetic escort wouldn't really be filling the role of a surrogate. Typically, a sex surrogate would be a supplement to seeing a sex therapist. They would be a partner that explores the problem and guides you to a solution. Since you indicated that you have been able to achieve an erection by yourself I'd have to agree that it's not likely to be a physical issue. And since Cialis isn't helping, that seems to leave the mental aspect as the primary culp…
/r/seduction15/03/21 03:56 PM
1

You might also benefit from a sex surrogate - a professional who could interactively explore what is happening.
/r/seduction14/03/21 02:58 AM
2

Hypnosis? If it is really mental it seems like that could help. When you say it’s not physical, have you had hormone levels checked?
/r/seduction14/03/21 02:54 AM
3

The last part nailed something: if you're always talking to people (male and female) you get better at being casually sociable. You make friends, establish social proof, and when you cold approach you are far less likely to come off as try-hard or creepy. Keep that up. The rest will come.
/r/seduction04/03/21 02:35 AM
2

Can’t meet her? Spidey senses tingling... catfish alert! There are good reasons why you might not be able to see her now, but if you haven’t interacted in person and aren’t talking to her via voice be careful.
/r/seduction26/02/21 04:03 PM
7

Be who you want to become.
/r/seduction26/02/21 05:50 AM
4

Simpler version: Learn to jazz dance. Go to jazz dance club. The gender ratio is strongly in your favor now, and the women you meet are very physical/in touch with their bodies. You are now on easy mode.
/r/seduction17/02/21 06:24 PM
3

Nailed it. Exactly this. Also, this applies to everything in life.
/r/seduction14/02/21 06:47 PM
3

I think of it like skiing. You will only learn it by doing, but you’ll probably learn a lot faster if you have: 1) An understanding of the basics/theory; 2) Good advice from more experienced people; 3) Friends that are learning, so you can watch them and be motivated by them; 4) Control over your fear so you are willing to try difficult new things; and 5) A good instructor/coach (This is totally optional, teally only recommended for people who have more money than time. Note that hiring a coach …
/r/seduction14/02/21 06:46 PM
1

The movie shows examples of "Steve" being "excellent", so it's more specific than the short summary implies. But it is definitely a bit different from your suggested first step. In either case, I think the point is to create a level of interest from her to you without appearing to directly pursue her.
/r/seduction01/02/21 06:25 PM
9

This is almost exactly the plot of “The Tao of Steve” (2000). 1) Be excellent 2) Be desireless 3) Be gone
/r/seduction01/02/21 05:00 PM
276

"I know what you mean. I get a lot of interest from guys too."
/r/seduction19/01/21 09:13 AM
3

This is so true. It’s just like those idiots who go to the gym and lift weights. Why waste your time? You’re already manly. Whenever I gaze down at my 6-pack abs and do that thing where I pop my pecs one at a time I realize anyone can do this shit. There’s just no point in working out. Accept yourself and realize that lifting weights isn’t fulfilling. Get a good ice cream going and chill. That’ll make everything better. Or maybe just get drunk? Humble brag lazy bullshit. This sub exists because …
/r/seduction04/01/21 12:06 AM
1

Agreed. I would add that sticking around while being ignored demonstrated low value, and probably made her significantly less interested in you. You had at least two better options. Your choice between the two mostly depends on your personality. 1) Be social. Engage with the guys and her friend, even if it means ignoring the girl who invited you. If she sees you having a good time she’s more likely to think she’d have a good time with you. 2) Leave. Don’t be butt-hurt about it, but tell her some…
/r/seduction27/12/20 07:31 PM
44

I feel you. The only really bad first kiss I ever had was my high school crush, who immediately shoved her tongue down my throat. Making out should be a slow progression. Going straight in with the tongue to maximum depth omits the process of experimentation, the building of intimacy, and the spirit of exploring each others’ boundaries. Worse, it replaces all that with a gag-inducing violation. For the same reason sex doesn’t start with jack-hammering, kissing should start slow and build. Maybe …
/r/seduction05/12/20 07:39 AM
1

It looks like you were being down-voted, but I think your comment is absolutely relevant so I up-voted you. While I agree that there are other factors, I've also found that a relationship must have mutual sexual attraction to work. A begrudging sexual interest cannot effectively maintain a relationship.
/r/seduction25/11/20 07:45 PM
5

This doesn't look like semantics. Rather than a mutually-desirable sexual relationship you describe a quid-pro-quo in which sex requires "investment" of non-sexual things. You literally even went the extra step of reducing that to dollars and cents. That is not how a relationship works outside prostitution. If sex isn't mutually desired you are doing it wrong.
/r/seduction24/11/20 11:22 PM
4

Context matters tremendously here. In general, you'd be correct and in particular for day game with strangers. In an office setting... he's not wrong. The difference is that in an office setting where there is flirtation happening, often women want (and expect) attention. When they are not getting it, they start to wonder why, and may work to get the acknowledgement/approval they feel they deserve. I know when I was fresh out of high school and working in retail I wasn't dating any of my co-work…
/r/seduction22/10/20 07:31 PM
27

This is flat wrong. "Players" are fun, attractive, and interesting, and they provoke emotional responses. The more attractive you make yourself, the more likely you are to be considered a potential "player". That absolutely does NOT turn women off. As you get to know a woman better, her opinion of you will evolve. She may decide you aren't a "player" after all, but a "catch" if you show value as a long-term partner. If you clearly are not capable of an exclusive relationship she may instead begi…
/r/seduction15/10/20 04:39 AM
1

An amused response is hardly insecure. And FYI, I'm not the person who apparently down-voted you.
/r/seduction08/10/20 08:00 PM
1

Yeah... the internet must be new to me, since I've been on it since its inception. No wait - that means I'm not a newb. Huh. Go figure.
/r/seduction07/10/20 07:55 PM
0

...says the random reddit dude who judged another redditor he didn't know as "creepy af" based on simply making eye contact.
/r/seduction07/10/20 07:51 PM
12

Not "sleepy". What you are looking for is "squinching". It makes you look more confident, intriguing, and sexy, while helping provide a more defined jaw line and stronger cheekbones. It was also make you much more photogenic if you do it in photos. Here are a couple before/after example photos: https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2013/11/squinchba1.jpg https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2013/11/squinchba3.jpg
/r/seduction07/10/20 05:19 PM
8

You sound insecure af lmao
/r/seduction07/10/20 05:11 PM
1

Example: Rich Dad, Poor Dad. This book contains no useful information that can be implemented. None. It contains a philosophy regarding how to build wealth that can be stated in one sentence, “Invest your money in things that give you a monetary return.” It also contains some absolutely horrible advice such as “Your home is not an investment, it is a liability, since instead of getting money monthly, you pay money monthly.” Really? Because it’s one of the most powerful wealth-building tools avai…
/r/seduction03/08/20 04:34 PM
3

At its root, good salesmanship is about eliciting desire for something, not pushing something onto someone that they don't want. That's what translates well to dating, and it's a lot less uncomfortable than "being a sales person".
/r/seduction24/07/20 09:56 PM
1

I didn't read that as sarcastic. A little over-the-top perhaps. This is why we need sarcasm tags. When I was in high school I did some phone solicitation on behalf of the firefighter's association. We did an annual benefit concert and sold tickets. I called a guy and told him the concert would have "...Elvis Presley, Roy Orbison, and Buddy Holly... impersonators." He was so enthusiastic in his response I thought he was making fun of me and responded with "I guess that's a no then?" Nope. He love…
/r/seduction24/07/20 09:50 PM
11

It helps to understand the underlying psychological dynamics. People don't like to be pressured into something, and if you're applying pressure or pushing too hard, it naturally makes them think you are trying for something that benefits you more than them. It just looks selfish. On the other hand, if you aren't pushing it allows them to feel like they are making a free choice, and they are equal in the relationship. This makes it much easier for people to feel comfortable saying "yes". If you d…
/r/seduction23/07/20 09:12 PM
196

This works in sales too. When someone starts to back away from a sale, often the best thing you can do is back away even more than they do. "Yeah, this may not be the thing for you." This (unexpected) response removes any impression that you're pushing them toward something they don't want and allows them to sell the positives to themselves. "People like to buy. They don't like to be sold."
/r/seduction23/07/20 09:01 PM
1

Then she'd have to pay! ;)
/r/seduction23/07/20 08:54 PM
0

Next time you talk, just say “You should really ask me out.”
/r/seduction22/07/20 04:52 PM
2

He's trying to say, "Here's some [very bad] advice: Only approach people that are virtually begging you to approach. If your failure to approach doesn't result in her tripping over herself to get your attention then forget about it." This advice is a fantastic way to become frustrated and bitter.
/r/seduction21/07/20 10:13 PM
2

Same. It took a while to ralize that women might be interested, and once I allowed mentally for that possibility I started seeing the signs.
/r/seduction20/07/20 11:00 PM
1

Brush your teeth? Seriously though, there are many possible explanations. In high school I had a date with a girl I was really into. Near the end of the date I kissed her and she immediately shoved her tongue as far down my throat as she could, like it was a contest or she was some kind of invading force. Not sexy at all. I didn't try to kiss her again, and that relationship ended just as it was beginning. It may also be that she was dancing with you in the club trying to make someone else jealo…
/r/seduction20/07/20 10:55 PM
30

True story: I was staying the night at a friend’s apartment. Late at night I’m laying on the couch watching tv. Friend is sitting on the floor watching too. His female roommate comes in with a blanket wrapped around herself and asks if she can share the couch with me. I say yes. She proceeds to unwrap the blanket so it hangs between herself and my friend before laying down. He sees nothing unusual. From my side of the blanket I see that she is wearing thong panties and no bra. My thought: “Wow. …
/r/seduction20/07/20 04:35 PM
3

This reflects a modern concept in sales: People don't like to be sold. They like to choose to buy. As a salesman, if you are pushy and aggressive your product is assumed to potentially be low-value. Buyers then want to take their time, do some research, look at other options. They resent that you want to close the sale immediately, and start looking for an opportunity to leave, even if they actually want the product. One way of addressing this problem is by "going negative". You don't try to con…
/r/seduction01/07/20 08:52 PM
8

My mother-in-law always greets me with amazing enthusiasm. She does something we call "the peepee dance", where she raises her arms and tippy-taps her feet really fast while waiting for a hug. I love that woman! When she got out of the hospital after her cancer surgery, I did the pee-pee dance for her. Also, when I was in high school I often greeted girls that were friends by giving them a great big bear hug while picking them up, and spinning them in a circle. I did it with all of them (even th…
/r/seduction29/06/20 02:45 AM
61

Psychology time: Most of what you think are conscious decisions are actually confabulation - your brain makes up explanations for what is happening, then assigns them backward in time to make sense of events. This was discovered via a famous experiment wherein they implanted electrodes on participants so that they could activate the motor cortex at the touch of a button, causing a spasm in the muscles of the participant. In one variation, it caused the neck to jerk to one side. The test setup en…
/r/seduction29/06/20 02:44 AM
33

My mother-in-law always greets me with amazing enthusiasm. She does something we call "the peepee dance", where she raises her arms and tippy-taps her feet really fast while waiting for a hug. I love that woman! When she got out of the hospital after her cancer surgery, I did the pee-pee dance for her. Also, when I was in high school I often greeted girls that were friends by giving them a great big bear hug while picking them up, and spinning them in a circle. I did it with all of them (even th…
/r/seduction29/06/20 02:33 AM
5

Cool personality? Decent face? Nice toned stomach you say? Good lord. There's no way lack of other curves would deter my attraction. What happens when you tell a guy he's cute?
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:37 AM
7

There's a happy medium between "Let's do this" and "Do you want to do this?" You can say, "I think we should do this. What do you think?" This is decisive and specific on your part, but also respectful of her right to make her own decisions.
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:32 AM
0

Just make some impressions by your looks from your looks! It’s not hard. Step 1: Looks Step 2: Impression Step 3: Looks again ...I guess.
/r/seduction26/06/20 07:47 AM
1

No. It isn't clear at all. It can literally mean anything from "Actually, I'm married" to "I had one, but we broke up" or "he died". And there are any number of explanations as to why she would "kinda" have a boyfriend but not want to talk about it further. If he needs clarity, he'll have to ASK.
/r/seduction19/06/20 08:19 PM
1

You're making some big assumptions here. Let's try a hypothetical interpretation of her statement: She likes a guy, but he's treating her as a FWB. No romantic interest is reciprocated, but she'd be into him if it was. In her opinion she "kinda" has a boyfriend. She means she is sleeping within someone that she has feelings for. In this scenario, would it be morally wrong to establish a meaningful reciprocal relationship with her? Absolutely not. It would be better for both OP and her. I'm not s…
/r/seduction19/06/20 07:12 AM
2

Your description still falls into the category of "looking to trade up without telling her current boyfriend". So it still comes with the same warning.
/r/seduction19/06/20 07:02 AM
736

A woman looking to trade up to you without telling her current boyfriend will also be willing to trade up from you without letting you know. If you're looking for a one-time thing: wrap it. If you're looking for something more: run.
/r/seduction18/06/20 10:39 PM
2

An awkward silence can easily become pre-kiss sexual tension. Just stay quiet, look at her lips, then her eyes... repeat.
/r/seduction02/06/20 04:59 PM
2

Praise for the generalities, hate for the specifics? It’s predictable and nonsensical. You don’t have to ignore detailed specifics to understand the big picture, nor do you have to ignore the details to improve. Take in all the advice in the sub, understand that any individual post is from one person’s perspective and may or may not apply to you, and keep in mind your personal goals as you implement any advice. Learn, practice, repeat, refine, grow. It’s the basic recipe for success in everythin…
/r/seduction19/05/20 05:29 PM
5

It’s part of a concerted effort to make this sub self destruct. And it’s 100% bullshit. Getting better at literally everything in life requires learning, practice, repetition, evaluation and improvement. This is no different. Hating on people learning is fashionable here though. The sub attracts haters because a large group of the general population assumes learning social dynamics is manipulative and/or sexist. Truth is, many of the tools can be used that way, just like anything else. Tools are…
/r/seduction19/05/20 05:18 PM
2

Improvement in literally everything in life comes from a combination of learning, practice, repetition, evaluation and refinement. This is no different.
/r/seduction19/05/20 05:13 PM
1

I don’t have tome to watch the full video. Can you highlight what they did that you are recommending against? From listening to a short segment around 83:00 it sounds like they had a caller that they claimed mischaracterized their statements as if they were saying “all women” when they were saying “most women”?
/r/seduction17/05/20 05:56 PM
3

You may want to frame your goals in a more positive light. Rather than thinking about fixing something you perceive is wrong with you, think about doing something specific that you want to make your life better. In this instance, if your problem is "my ugliness", it gives you something to run from, but not something to run to. It's important to have a goal in mind when you take action. Some potential options may include: 1) Be physically active and healthy; 2) Improve my hygeine and style; or 3)…
/r/seduction11/05/20 09:09 PM
3

Are you saying you tried tinder and it didn’t work? Or are you focused on one man in particular? The advice to men is generally not to fixate on one person.
/r/seduction11/05/20 03:51 PM
1

This advice amounts to: polarize. Very slowly. A much faster way is to say, “You’re kinda sexy. If you ever want to hook up, hit me up.” Then leave with a smile. Either she’ll be disgusted since you have no chance with her and she’ll avoid you (thereby saving you from wasting your time), or future interactions will be within a context where she knows sex is possible. As for spending time with other women - that’s good advice regardless. Don’t sink your time into a relationship that isn’t filling…
/r/seduction06/05/20 04:32 PM
18

If you're trying to be balanced and nuanced, please put the balance and nuance into your post. I can appreciate your concerns, but he's clearly someone that needs help with confidence. He's just beginning his journey. Better would have been something like: Congratulations on your success! It's great to hear that you are improving yourself, ensuring that your activities and interests don't take a back seat to her, and creating a spark of interest. As you move forward, be careful to be true to you…
/r/seduction04/05/20 08:24 PM
3

I'm starting to think the only reasonable way to read this sub is to sort by "controversial". That way when the haters try to downvote decent submissions it doesn't work so well.
/r/seduction04/05/20 06:20 PM
14

1000 times this. Most of the people on this sub are here exclusively to try to destroy the sub. A man that’s gone his whole life without getting laid changes, improves himself, stops being so needy, arouses desire and emotions in a woman he cares about... success? Hell no! Go back to what wasn’t working! He’s bad for “playing games” and “not being genuine”. This is so wrong on so many levels. The sub is supposed to be about “seduction”, not a class in “AFC 101”. He’s made his life better and her…
/r/seduction04/05/20 03:18 PM
39

This. Much better to keep doing the same thing even though it isn’t working. AmIright? /s
/r/seduction04/05/20 03:12 PM
3

Crush was my thought as well. She wants to spend more time with him and be valuable to him. This is something an under-confident guy would do to try to “win” a girl.
/r/seduction25/04/20 09:05 PM
1

He still had to take action, so that's progress on his part (as well as confidence building), but his experience definitely isn't going to translate into a method that works for other typical guys either.
/r/seduction24/04/20 08:18 PM
6

That’s because they know what you are doing. It’s exactly the kind of approach women use on men. It doesn’t need to be a good excuse or logical. It just needs to break the ice to find out if there is mutual interest.
/r/seduction23/04/20 04:21 PM
1

This guy morons. He didn’t get laid by asking a stupid question. He got laid by being a somewhat attractive and successful foreigner with an interesting accent and approaching a girl that was interested in getting some strange. This happens all the time.
/r/seduction23/04/20 04:18 PM
3

Thank you for this. The extra 10 made no sense to me and I was trying way too hard to figure out how that string of numbers could be 80.
/r/seduction23/04/20 04:15 PM
2

This is likely a problem of outcome independence. With the less attractive girls, you aren’t placing too much emphasis on the outcome, since you know there’ll be plenty of other OK women to approach. Suddenly when she’s hotter you lose the abundance mentality, since you haven’t been pulling hot women. You could try a mental re-frame. Tell yourself she’s a guy in drag (or invent any specific reason why you’d never seriously consider dating her) and you just want to see if you can get “her” to wan…
/r/seduction09/04/20 03:50 PM
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I like the image of you saying “she’ll call me”. I’m imagining you being with friends and the situation seems very different. If I watched this, instead of thinking you got rejected, I’d be thinking you were care-free and love to mess with people. You seem funny, unflappable and confident. It also regains your power in the interaction. Much of early game is learning not to fear rejection through repetition. This takes it a step further and embraces it as fun!
/r/seduction09/04/20 03:39 PM
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I'll add that I'm 6'2", and when I go out with my friend Jeff (5'9"), he's the one that consistently gets the attention of the ladies. He always looks like he's having fun, always has something witty and a bit slyly suggestive to say, and always makes people feel like both his day and their own got better because they met.
/r/seduction07/04/20 07:24 PM
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OK - so it doesn't mean that you haven't read the message, just that you didn't reply.
/r/seduction03/04/20 08:45 PM
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Has everyone here had a collective stroke? What the hell is "on read" and "on seen"? Are you trying to say "unread" and "unseen"? Or is this some new thing I'm missing completely?
/r/seduction03/04/20 08:41 PM
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This is an interesting perspective. I've historically tended to not be particularly forward with women in general (with a few exceptions). I definitely agree that there are men on here that from their descriptions seem to be approaching too much (or too directly) to the point that they are becoming socially poisonous. So best advice really does depend on context!
/r/seduction03/04/20 08:07 PM
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This is a great reason for laying out the truth early in a relationship. Even if things are headed in a “just friends” direction you can say, “You’re so much more my type than I expected. If you ever want to take this to the next level, let me know.” It’s surprising how often just a quick statement can get them thinking and turn the friendship into FWB.
/r/seduction02/04/20 08:21 PM
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This post points directly at what is wrong with so much of the advice on this sub. “Approach more” can easily be interpreted as “sell harder”. It’s counter-productive to sell harder. And many posts are about what to do to get a girl to like you. It completely comes from the perspective of selling. Ironically, there is actually a sales mentality that does work. But it’s one that is used by very few sales people. It requires that you respond to people in a way they does not push them toward a sale…
/r/seduction28/03/20 07:15 PM
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You blew it when you said “the number of deaths won’t be any different”. Apparently you missed the fact that we can treat people in hospitals, but if while the hospitals are over-run we can’t. The survival rate is about 98% with treatment, including providing pure oxygen to patients with severe pneumonia/lung damage. Once the 20% of patients that require hospitalization can’t get into a hospital, have no access to a respirator, and need to try to “tough it out” at home, the death rate will be 10…
/r/seduction26/03/20 03:45 PM
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This is self-defeating bullshit. You can have low confidence and good results as well as high confidence with poor results. That's because confidence comes from within. Your attitude, not other people's reactions, determined your confidence. In sales, confidence is the ability to not take a rejection personally, move on, and happily approach the next potential customer. Pickup really isn't that much different.
/r/seduction04/02/20 08:48 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. Mom may be thrilled that someone is interested in her daughter. Particularly so if you are respectful, friendly and handsome. Hell, she may be the one that suggests you get the daughter's number. (Note: This approach type may go another direction. The most recent time I met a mother/daughter duo at a bar the mother was the one that invited me to go home with her.)
/r/seduction04/02/20 01:49 AM
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Women like maturity, stability, and confidence. As men get older they tend to have more money, better jobs, and are more comfortable being true to themselves (as opposed to people-pleasing). Many women like the looks of older guys too. A little salt and pepper in the hair is seen as sexy. Look at the People magazine's list of "sexiest man alive" over the years. It has included Patrick Swayze (age 38), Nick Nolte (age 51), Sean Connery (age 59), Denzel Washington (age 41), Harrison Ford (age 56),…
/r/seduction04/02/20 01:40 AM
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Sounds normal to me. That's what dating is for - figure out who you are compatible with. If it doesn't work, move on.
/r/seduction02/02/20 12:22 AM
1

Did you even read what I wrote? I literally provided the next response you would use if she gave another one-word answer. Go troll elsewhere.
/r/seduction01/02/20 11:34 PM
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My first kiss was also awkward AF. Although in a different way. I went for a closed-mouth kiss... she instantly shoved her tongue down my throat as far as she could like a chameleon that thought my uvula was an insect. It wasn’t pleasant or romantic at all. I didn’t go for a second kiss. Your description doesn’t identify what went wrong, so here are some general pointers: 1) Your lips shouldn’t be dry, even if you’re not “deep kissing”. Make sure they have a little moisture on them. The lips sho…
/r/seduction01/02/20 10:19 PM
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This is a little too try-hard from my perspective. It could work if you both happen to be physics nerds, but the single-word answer wouldn’t be typical of someone who’s excited about physics and wants to talk about theories. Better is a more succinct and neutral response that invites her to elaborate. Literally just respond “Physics?”
/r/seduction01/02/20 09:33 PM
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A one word answer can also be a one word question. Her: “Physics.” You: “Physics?” This shows you are actually interested in the answer and invites elaboration. It’s possible that she’ll respond again with “physics”, at which point you can ask a more detailed question (e.g. “What interests you about physics?”), but the vast majority of the time you won’t have to do that. Edit: It may become clear that she just doesn’t want to talk about her studies. In that case, you can ask, “What do you like t…
/r/seduction01/02/20 09:29 PM
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I initially didn't watch any more than the first few seconds of the video where he pulled up a chair. When he started monologuing I lost interest. But then you commented and I assumed the interaction went awry and got uncomfortable. So I went back to watching. Then nothing uncomfortable happened. He treated her like a person. He had a nice conversation with a pretty girl, and she was interested in talking as much as he was. This is the way a conversation should go. Your saying "Please don't ever…
/r/seduction31/01/20 06:58 PM
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Being friends with your crush is typically not a good idea. It becomes a one-sided relationship whete she has her desires filled and you do not. It’s also a recipe for jealousy, which you’ve already demonstrated by fearing she’ll find someone else. Tell her that you were really looking for something more, and that although you like her you want to focus on finding a relationship that isn’t one-sided, not invest yourself in a relationship that won’t happen. She’ll respect you more for respecting …
/r/seduction26/01/20 05:00 AM
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I learned it in sales training. It's likely in a book somewhere, but I'm not sure where to find it. One resource for this type of thing would be /r/persuasionexperts
/r/seduction22/01/20 11:33 PM
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This is also a pretty common technique in sales. It’s called “going negative” or a “take-away”. If someone questions your service or product, you question it even harder. This changes three major things: 1) You are agreeing with them, so they can’t “argue” against you effectively; 2) They no longer feel you are pressuring them, so a choice to buy feels like a personal choice based on reason and desire, instead of getting suckered by a slimy sales person. 3) Anyone who wasn’t 100% sure their answ…
/r/seduction22/01/20 08:16 AM
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Pot and kettle much? You called out OP for something that wasn't wrong. I defended. You don't have to take offense at innocuous things, and when you do, you lose the right to expect people to treat you gently. You get what you give. Good luck to you as well, bud.
/r/seduction21/01/20 07:04 PM
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This helps clarify a bit, but is also a contradiction of your prior advice. You had given the advice to "Prepare a funny/smooth-over line to help recover from an awkward intro moment." But then you state that you are better at being "spontaneously witty", which means no particular line can be prepared in advance. I think your clarification is good advice, just a little harder to implement than a memorized line prepared in advance.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:45 AM
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I guess English may not be your strong point, which perhaps explains why you had trouble with #2 in the first place. When you say "there are other mindsets" it implies that you are suggesting an alternative, not an omission. There is still no problem with #2 other than the one in your head.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:39 AM
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You are posting in a sub that attracts people who have tenuous self esteem to the point that they have trouble even approaching another human being. You are telling them not to be so arrogant as to think they have value. How is that helping? If you intend to suggest an alternative mindset, you have to actually suggest an alternative mindset.
/r/seduction16/01/20 06:08 PM
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A lesbian who is unattracted can still be lucky to have a great conversation. “Lucky” doesn’t only mean “getting lucky” my friend. Similarly, in each of the situations you described your approach could still be a positive experience for both parties. You just have to not be a jerk. Point 2 is meant as a recognition of your ability to add value to other people’s lives, not a denigration of their worth. Why the hell does this objection keep appearing in this sub? Having a solid sense of self worth…
/r/seduction16/01/20 05:52 PM
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Example?
/r/seduction16/01/20 05:36 PM
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Perhaps you should re-read the original post. Nowhere did OP say that you should treat anyone else badly, or think poorly of them. Having a positive sense of self-worth does not denigrate others. It is not a zero-sum game where recognizing value in yourself means lowering the value of others. I understand what you are saying, but it is completely irrelevant to the idea being shared. If you are conflating recognizing self-worth with a feeling of superiority, that's on you.
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:51 AM
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Amen. Imagine if I went to a guitar sub and asked how to learn guitar and was told to "be myself". It's actually great advice if I happen to be Jimi Hendrix. But not if I'm just starting to learn. People that are inexperienced with meeting women are typically nervous. They over-analyze and over-think. And even if they could somehow get over all of that, they still may metaphorically play a few bad notes and give up. The whole point of this sub is to offer advice to get out of that rut. "Be yours…
/r/seduction14/01/20 07:49 PM
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I suspect some of it isn't just variations in attitude. It's situational. For instance, if I ask out a girl from school or work, or even someone I met at a club, it's a substantially different situation than if I am meeting someone from online, or if I was set up on a blind date. In the former situation, there's an expectation that a spark of attraction has already occurred, and the date is an opportunity to get to know each other better and see how things progress. In this situation, a "no kiss…
/r/seduction13/01/20 10:59 PM
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I've always telegraphed my intention to move toward a kiss and made it very slow and deliberate. This makes it easier for the girl to have a moment of recognition at any time, so she can turn away, step back, etc. if she isn't interested. It also allows her time to anticipate and savor the moment if she is interested, so it's a win-win. With that said, if I move toward a kiss and the girl simply backs away, turns away, etc. I get the strong signal "I don't feel chemistry, so this isn't going any…
/r/seduction13/01/20 10:43 PM
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As an American, if I go on a date with a girl and don’t kiss her, I assume there is zero physical attraction and at best she wanted a free dinner. There won’t be a second date to try for a kiss at a slower pace. If someone isn’t interested enough in me to consider a first-date kiss, I’d prefer they just say “no” to the date. I would prefer not to waste my time with someone who isn’t in to me. I can also save my money to spend with someone who is interested.
/r/seduction13/01/20 06:19 PM
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So if you’re attracted to a guy and he does something that makes it look like he’s interested in a kiss on the first date (e.g. looks at your lips and moves in slowly closer to your face) you lose attraction to him? Edit: If so, how can he show interest without turning you off? Doing nothing is a recipe for the friend zone!
/r/seduction13/01/20 06:13 PM
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It sounds like you are waiting too long to initiate contact, and building up the importance of the approach too much. If you are working up courage to approach, you are already putting the girl on a pedestal. If you're just casually approaching someone without idolizing them or putting emphasis on outcome, you shouldn't experience "soul crushing" at rejection. Imagine for a moment that you are in a class and the teacher tells everyone to break into groups of three. You turn to someone and say, "…
/r/seduction10/01/20 04:45 PM
3

You are confusing skill with success. Advanced game dramatically increases your chances of success, but so does being good looking. Being handsome is not game. Similarly, you can be a very skilled basketball player, but since you’re only average height you are exceptionally unlikely to play professionally. Being short does not mean you don’t have skills. But it will absolutely affect your success regardless of your skill level.
/r/seduction09/01/20 02:35 AM
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Bullshit. It's false 95% of the time.
/r/seduction07/01/20 06:11 PM
1

That is a straw-man argument. Attraction is not sex. Eating something is not the same as watching TV either. But both things can elicit desire. As can attraction to a person.
/r/seduction07/01/20 06:09 PM
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There are several reasons why she may have reacted the way she did (i.e. the cringe) regardless of attraction. She may not want to seem like the one that has the crush in a friendship. She might have thought the other girl was asking whether you were taken, and she was giving her room to flirt with you. She may have even broken up with her boyfriend for you and now she's embarrassed that after making her move you didn't show any interest. If you're really interested in moving forward with her, y…
/r/seduction07/01/20 02:04 AM
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Most women will be indifferent to most men. Game is about polarizing them, resulting in either attraction or repulsion, with the intent to accomplish the former. What you do and how you do it absolutely impacts whether there is attraction. There is a huge difference between saying "You can't attract everyone" and "You can't build attraction". The first is true. The second is complete horseshit.
/r/seduction07/01/20 01:04 AM
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Yeah, this is why companies don't pay sales people good money. Customers either want the product or they don't, and nothing anyone says will change their mind. It's just a numbers game. /s
/r/seduction07/01/20 01:00 AM
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Amen, brother. Another key piece of evidence for me is the way I will go through hot/cold cycles. At times, I can attract multiple women without trying. Other times, I get nothing despite my best efforts. It isn't that I'm trying or not trying, since effort generally has a mild but positive impact on my success. It's likely my attitude, posture, grooming, or some other subtle element or combination of elements. Those hot/cold cycles occur playing sports too. It's just part of nature. But the fac…
/r/seduction07/01/20 12:56 AM
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Thank you for saying something that I thought would be common sense. Attraction can be increased or decreased based on action, tone, body language, etc. Years ago I was hanging out with several friends (both sexes). My friend Wayne was sitting on the couch next to a girl. He was talking to her, leaning in, started to kiss her, then gently supported her back and head while laying her down to continue. Another (female) friend turned to me and said, "I've never found anything about Wayne sexy. Unti…
/r/seduction07/01/20 12:45 AM
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As I stated, his advice is perfect for some people, horrible for others. In particular, for anyone that already has done a moderate amount of reading regarding pick-up, it's likely that their best option is to focus on practice rather than theory. I would not give that same advice for someone looking at this sub for the first time that has never read anything about pick-up.
/r/seduction07/01/20 12:39 AM
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Your statement is true of everything. Pick-up is not a unique skill that either requires or does not require a coach/teacher/advisor more than any other skill. I'm learning guitar using books and online videos. Would having a guitar teacher help? It would likely accelerate my learning considerably, since I'd be getting assistance from someone that sees exactly what my strengths and weaknesses are, and provides focused feedback on how best to improve. Sure, I can (and will!) continue to stab at m…
/r/seduction07/01/20 12:37 AM
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I know you mean well, and for the right people, this is good advice. But it isn't universally true, and it is terrible advice for others. Many of the people on this sub are absolute beginners. They lack confidence, social calibration, and may not have worked on other aspects of their life to increase their attractiveness. This post tells them "None of you need coaching or to buy more products." That's likely true for 95% of people. But it's less true for the people that seek out this sub. They a…
/r/seduction06/01/20 09:14 PM
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I'd move around to front facing first. From the side you need to pull the chin so far it becomes awkward and possibly painful. The idea is to make a relatively minimal and gentle motion that expresses intention and builds anticipation. Face her, move a bit closer, reach out and lightly touch her chin, aim her face toward you (usually this means up more than left or right), look at her mouth, move in slowly. You can do this with 1-2 fingers. It's not about applying force, it's a gentle touch inte…
/r/seduction27/12/19 10:38 PM
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I like something similar, but I go for the chin rather than the hair. This allows me to turn her face toward me. If she resists, I can back off. If she doesn't, I can move in slowly. This gives her time to process what is happening and anticipate the kiss, as well as time to back away if she doesn't want it. Win/win.
/r/seduction20/12/19 10:11 PM
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My advice to my son at age 14 was dirt simple: If you want to know who likes you, hang out in a group. When someone tells a joke and everybody laughs, watch who is looking at you. A girl with a crush will want to share that moment with you. 1 week later he’s got a girlfriend. At that age, any insight at all is like gold.
/r/seduction09/12/19 06:45 PM
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People rationalize their actions after the fact. That’s the way the human brain works. People who are genuinely unfulfilled tend to break up. Cheaters cheat because they value short-term pleasure in the moment over the risk of their actions. That dynamic may have nothing at all to do with the quality of their current long-term relationship. If you don’t want a cheater, start by finding soneone who passes the marshmallow test, not by trying to make your relationship perfect. The former is possibl…
/r/seduction07/12/19 09:57 PM
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This is also a lesser known sales technique. People generally don’t like to be sold, and an aggressive salesman comes off as creepy. By being low-to-no pressure you allow people to feel good about choosing to buy. Everyone likes a free choice. Specifically, this approach is called “going negative”. When you encounter resistance you respond by being slightly more negative than the prospect. Like a dog pulling on a rope, once they sense your pull stop they also stop pulling away. The other part of…
/r/seduction31/10/19 04:16 PM
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This seems weird to me in this context, since it seems too over-the-top. The only time I've used a similar response was when a woman who was giving massive IOI suddenly said "I'm not going to sleep with you." My response was to chuckle and say "Now you're going to play hard to get?" She laughed back and said "We're definitely going to fuck."
/r/seduction14/10/19 03:15 AM
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While kissing put your hands on her hips. You can lightly squeeze and pull her body against yours. If she’s into that, let a hand drift up or down, tease at it first, then back to the hips. You can get her worked up and even a little frustrated. Try teasing your fingertips under her waistband. This can get her really hot and also allows her plenty of time to tell you to slow down. I like to go slow and play since it makes her very ready for the next escalation. I’ll add that getting used to the …
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:43 PM
1

It's intentionally a baby step. A non-threatening approach. It's clear he has approach anxiety. I'm not going to suggest something challenging.
/r/seduction16/09/19 05:58 AM
3

Unless she's a housewife, stocking her refrigerator is not her job.
/r/seduction13/09/19 09:47 PM
1

As the conversation progresses if you know other people there you can also offer to introduce them. This makes you look well connected socially and makes them feel like they're being invited into your world.
/r/seduction13/09/19 09:42 PM
1

Here's one simple (group) day approach. "Hey can I get you guys' opinion on something? I was hanging out with my friend and he said I need to update my style. He says my (jeans/shoes/shirt/hair/whatever) is lame and it looks like I don't have a decent job. Is my style really that bad?" This makes them feel important/valued because they are hopefully more knowledgeable than you on a subject (fashion). It also strongly implies that: a) You have money and a decent job; b) You are willing to update …
/r/seduction13/09/19 09:39 PM
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This is a very relevant question. In addition to improving himself, men tend to get a little more attractive with age, especially when they have a "decently high paying job". He starts to look less like a kid who's parents have money and more like a man who can take care of himself. That change makes exuding confidence much more effective.
/r/seduction03/09/19 09:50 PM
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First kisses can be great. Ideally, you want her to know the kiss is coming for two reasons: 1) If she's not into it, she can back out before it gets awkward. This saves embarrassment for both her and you. 2) If she is into it, it allows her to anticipate the kiss and savor the moment. My preferred move is to get close, get quiet, look into her eyes, and then reach gently toward her jaw/chin. Take it slow. Look at her lips as you gently aim her toward you, and move closer to slowly close in for …
/r/seduction12/08/19 07:17 PM
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Perhaps, but he never suggests using a different approach in a real conversation, and we learn what we train. If you practice blathering, that's what you'll get better at. I honestly find myself wondering whether he uses this technique. If girls are wanting to listen to his accent and really don't care what he says, blathering could work for him. But it won't work for someone that doesn't sound exotic.
/r/seduction11/08/19 10:32 PM
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No. I'm talking about having a passionate conversation. About believing in what you are saying, and getting emotion (not logic) involved. That's why the "no, no bullshit" part could actually work. It's definitely not a compliment. If you want good pointers on how to keep a conversation going while engaging emotion I'd suggest watching this video instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU-ibdHkz4Y
/r/seduction11/08/19 10:30 PM
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If you thought silence was awkward, try this! You’ll wish for the mild awkwardness of silence as her eyes widen in horror while she moves toward the exit. Watch her feet while you prattle on with a series of definitions of the last word in your previous sentence. They’ll be pointing at escape, which is now her only goal in this conversation. This is an exercise in babbling without knowing or caring what you say. If you want to connect you need to speak in a way that arouses your (and her) emotio…
/r/seduction11/08/19 07:06 PM
1

Perhaps I should mention why/how I learned this. When I was 19 I briefly dated a 27-year-old blonde bombshell. She was way out of my league at the time, and (in hindsight) clearly had a thing for younger men. She always looked like she had just walked off the set of a soap opera. I met her though her younger sister (who was dating my best friend). My friend and the sister wanted some alone time, so they rode in one car while I rode with the older sister in another. We talked about relationships,…
/r/seduction03/06/19 03:28 PM
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I've heard sorority girls talking about this in a very positive way. As long as they are already attracted to you, holding on to you on a rumbling motorcycle is exciting, sexy and relatively safe.
/r/seduction31/05/19 05:04 PM
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Anticipation can be a powerful thing. There are definitely times when stretching it out is the right thing to do. You just have to remember that there is a huge difference between being too shy/scared to initiate a kiss and having the confidence to control exactly when/how it happens. While getting strong eye contact, you can start looking at her lips. She'll notice. Look back to her eyes. Talk about something else. Let her feel a little bit of frustration, as long as you come back to it. It wil…
/r/seduction31/05/19 05:00 PM
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In a recent post someone asked how to reply to a negative text. Top answer was saying don’t reply at all. There’s a huge difference between learning game and giving up. One negative text doesn’t mean it’s time to move on. It’s called a “shit test”. Deal with it! I suspect most people that actually practice game have learned what they needed and moved on. Most of the people that are atill here don’t get it, are still afraid to approach and escalate, and when given advice of something to actively …
/r/seduction09/05/19 03:04 PM
1

I guess I missed the cliche. In sales, when a customer shows skepticism, I come back with even more skepticism (about my own company or products). "You're right. Why are you even using us?" At that point, if they're gone, they're gone. But if they're not actually trying to end the relationship they'll fight back and either downplay their complaint or tell you something they like. At that point, they are selling you. Nobody likes to be sold something against their will. You can choose silence. Yo…
/r/seduction06/05/19 07:10 AM
1

Context and tone say far more than words ever will. The fact that you read this as desperate rather than flippant probably says something about the way you would deliver it, more than it says anything about the line in general. This girl has met him. She'll likely read it and imbue it with his voice and mannerisms. She was into him before, so if it fits with his style even a corny-sounding line can be good. There are two possibilities here: 1) She "forgot" she was taken in the moment and realize…
/r/seduction03/05/19 06:46 PM
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This works well because it gives her an excuse to be alone with you at your place without looking like a “slut”. Perfect setup for her to rationalize that “it just happened”.
/r/seduction16/03/19 03:24 PM
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People that aren’t from your culture won’t give good advice on this. I know I participated in a public-speaking club that was primarily Islamic membership, and rather than shaking hands to transition between speakers they passed a small stuffed animal, which conveyed turning over control to the new speaker without any physical contact. In a culture where shaking hands is crossing the line, any touch intended to be “escalating” could be considered deeply offensive/aggressive. Even if it is receiv…
/r/seduction09/02/19 07:01 PM
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Irrelevant. He failed the moment he communicated that he was only interested in sex by going home when told there would be no sex. A girl saying “no sex” when inviting you over only means that: 1) She is thinking about sex; and 2) She does not want to be seen as inviting you over just for sex. If you go with her and “stay in the moment”, the chances of sex are very high in this situation. “It just happened” sounds way less slutty (and more spontaneous/romantic) when she tells her friends, especi…
/r/seduction31/12/18 12:28 AM
3

This is correct. By not going home with her after she said that, you communicated “I’m only with you for sex.” She has moved on.
/r/seduction31/12/18 12:20 AM
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Probably because some of the advice comes off as a slightly less absurd version of “Once she is sucking your balls, you can assume a moderate level of interest and she may be open to a kiss.” Your escalation chain is seriously out of order if you think you need to nibble an ear and feel up her abs before you can try for a kiss. I could see doing this if you are purposely teasing her because you know she is desperately wanting a kiss and down for much more, just to create a more powerful and memo…
/r/seduction30/12/18 05:29 PM
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Numbers are not pronouns. They do not stand in for other numbers, since doing so would lead to a lack of meaning in the numbers themselves, and no way to differentiate between different meanings. Just to be 100% clear, if we DID use the bizarre pronoun convention, how could he indicate an actual meaning of 0.5 rather than 0.5%? This is basic mathematical literacy, and is also the reason for problems like the internet-famous Verizon data roaming charge fiasco. A summary video is at https://www.yo…
/r/seduction17/12/18 05:48 PM
3

You’re saying those states restrict dating cousins?? Citation needed.
/r/seduction15/12/18 09:02 PM
0

Nope. Look again. The poster he responded to said .5, not .5%. The fact that someone said a different number earlier dies not change what he posted.
/r/seduction15/12/18 09:00 PM
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I agree with this and would add: other forms of dance that are less overtly sexual can also work. Jazz dance in particular attracts a lot of women and relatively few (straight) men. The men who do it are often older and are are still getting laid by young hotties. As you get into more specialized types of dance you'll generally find two things that create a strong advantage for you: 1) Female to male ratio is strongly in your favor. 2) The women that love dance do it because they want to use the…
/r/seduction05/12/18 11:28 PM
1

My favorite technique after getting comfortable with light kino is to choose a moment for the first kiss, move somewhat close, look at her lips briefly, then back into her eyes, reach out to touch her chin, gently turn her face toward mine, then close the distance and kiss. Move slowly and confidently. As you get closer hold strong eye contact until you are close enough that it starts to become uncomfortable, then close your eyes as you initiate the kiss. This accomplishes a couple major things:…
/r/seduction30/11/18 04:58 PM
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Wow. I didn't expect a response like that. I can actually relate to much of this. I went on a [friend/pity] prom date. She was pretty and she was a good friend, but for several reasons I felt no chemistry with her. We had a good time and went to an after-party at her friend's house, where we planned to stay overnight. I went to sleep on the couch by myself after the party wound down. I woke about an hour later to find she had partially undressed me and was beginning to perform oral sex on me. I …
/r/seduction19/11/18 10:54 AM
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I agree. Honestly, the "calling her bluff" story happened more as a result of just trying to have fun and not giving a fuck than specific intent to fight what seemed an absurd reversal. But I was pleasantly surprised by her reaction.
/r/seduction18/11/18 06:13 AM
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Also, why would you decide after that: “OK, he’s pressured me into sex... I guess we can do that. But I’m NOT going to go out with him again!”
/r/seduction18/11/18 05:26 AM
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You can also either agree and amplify or call her bluff, depending on the girl and the situation. Two examples: Calling her bluff: I met a girl, hit it off, she’s been giving strong IOI. She says, “We’re not going to have sex.” I immediately laugh. “NOW you’re going to play hard to get?” (As if her resistance was obviouly fake and played WAY too late to be taken seriously after all our flirting) She laughed back. “We’re definitely going to fuck.” Agree and amplify: Her: “We’re not having sex ton…
/r/seduction17/11/18 09:25 PM
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You need a radical shift in thinking. Inagine that you had been in the store and the beautiful brunette approached you. She said, “”Hi, I haven’t seen you around here before. Are you new, or have I just been unlucky and missed seeing you before?” I don’t think it would matter to you what she said specifically. You’d be ecstatic that a cute girl was showing interest. Now imagine the reverse situation. A good-looking guy approaches her and she is just as happy. You can be that guy. She wants you t…
/r/seduction08/11/18 04:51 PM
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I studied for a year in Barcelona!
/r/seduction04/11/18 09:04 AM
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OK. Let's talk substance. You used the term "sexual harassment" to describe the action of taking a selfie with another person, while touching the other person. There are two components to sexual harassment. The first is "sexual" and the second is "harassment". Let's see whether this action fits those components. Part 1: "Sexual" Quoting OP: "You should easily be able to get two touches with any selfie. First, in the picture itself. Second, with a hug, high five or a push/bump after the picture d…
/r/seduction23/10/18 06:52 PM
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What blows my mind is that she thinks the suggested approach involving touch is sexual harassment. Clearly she doesn't understand what that means, since it is neither sexual nor harassment. It's obvious that the touch is non-sexual from the description, but in order for an action to be harassing, it needs to be either repeated and unwanted or be done by someone in a position of power/authority where the advances are accompanied by explicit or implicit threat. Simply making an advance and being r…
/r/seduction22/10/18 10:14 PM
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People are icky. Best to stay home with my tinfoil hat on.
/r/seduction22/10/18 10:06 PM
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I hope some day you are able to look back at yourself and laugh. Please don't go out dancing! Wishing you the best! Ciao!
/r/seduction22/10/18 08:10 PM
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Apparently there is also no appropriate way to initiate physical contact with a woman? Get help.
/r/seduction22/10/18 08:05 PM
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Pot and kettle much? Or did you somehow think that you were the intended audience of the OP????
/r/seduction22/10/18 08:05 PM
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Clearly not as delusional as you are. Wow. Edit: My comment was snarky and unhelpful. I am sorry about that. I absolutely try to be constructive when offering criticism, so I came back to try to do that. This is a post about “kino” in a “seduction” sub. The whole point is to make physical contact as a way of moving a connection with another person forward, avoiding being seen as “just a friend”. For the men visiting this sub, a non-intimate friendship is not the goal. If touching causes a negati…
/r/seduction22/10/18 07:00 PM
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Women who are confident in the way they look tend to respond positively to photos. If you have self-image issues it makes sense that you would not like photos. But this isn’t bad advice, notwithstanding your personal objections. There isn’t anything that 100% of women will respond to positively. That’s ok.
/r/seduction22/10/18 06:57 PM
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Your intentions are clearly good. Kudos for that. But for most of us we've heard the same sincere but ultimately bad advice from countless women. It's SUPER easy to get a woman to give dating advice to a man. If it worked, men wouldn't need this forum. But it doesn't. Now if you came in here saying you were a lesbian and an expert at picking up women, I might be more optimistic that you could have some meaningful insight to share...
/r/seduction17/10/18 06:37 AM
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He's almost definitely right. You went on a date with a guy you found attractive, and when he made you laugh it loosened you up and got you in the mood. If you had been unattracted to him previously and suddenly his sense of humor made you want to jump his bones that would be a different story (but that would also make you enough of a weirdo that your advice would not be helpful when dealing with other women).
/r/seduction17/10/18 06:30 AM
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I tried reading the link for "Forced-to-Penetrate" as being unique from rape but found nothing related to the issue within the linked definitions. Can you point it out?
/r/MensRights13/10/18 04:44 AM
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On a first date a girl is seeing through a window into your world. Women are generally not going to be turned off by seeing something good in the process. Clearly he wants to enjoy the ride and there is nothing wrong with that. Or you can continue to argue that his process is broken, despite the fact that he had a good time and achieved everything he set out to do? Who's cringy now?
/r/seduction27/09/18 04:55 PM
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I wouldn’t ask a question. I wait for a pause in the conversation, look into her eyes and move closer, look at her lips, reach up to her chin and gently turn her face toward me, then go in for the kiss. This way the cues leading up to it strongly telegraph your intentions, which is hugely beneficial. If she’s not into it, she’ll say something or move away. But if she is, she’ll be able to fully enjoy the moment and the anticipation of the kiss, rather than just being suddenly mid-kiss. Plus she …
/r/seduction31/08/18 02:52 PM
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It seems you are having difficulty seeing things from the woman's perspective. Imagine for a moment that you are a woman, and want to have a family in the future. You now have a choice between two men. Guy #1 is a nice guy who does anything you ask, and does the same for everyone else. He is a great guy! Guy #2 can sometimes be a bit of a jerk. He'll tell you you're wrong to your face, and he won't back down. He's can be nice too, but not consistently. It's a bit hot-and-cold. Once, when he had …
/r/seduction16/08/18 06:25 PM
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"I am looking for a woman that isn't an idiot sticking to this caveman logic." Then you are looking for a woman with brain damage. Genetic wiring is what it is, whether you think it is "idiotic" or not. You can try to fight nature, which will lead to pain, or you can learn from it and gain an advantage. The choice is yours. Personally, I think the solution is simple. Show backbone. Defend your principles, your friends, your property, etc. Show that you are not afraid to stand up for your rights.…
/r/seduction15/08/18 11:53 PM
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Women are genetically wired to look for a protector. A “nice guy” is accommodating to a fault. Anyone who is a pushover is a poor choice for a protector. Therefore, many women feel safer selecting a mate that is strong-willed and ignores the objections of others rather than a man that is overly accommodating. This is one of the big reasons that bad boys seem attractive.
/r/seduction15/08/18 04:47 PM
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She could be crushing on him and going into a “freeze” state due to nervousness/anxiety too. Hard to say.
/r/seduction14/08/18 05:39 PM
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A significant note of caution: Saying positive affirmations like "I love you" to yourself works as long as you subconsciously believe the statement to be true. However, for anyone that does not believe it this is not only unhelpful, it is actively harmful. In addition to not having the desired effect, it further erodes self esteem by passing the message "I am a liar." If you have problems loving yourself, start with the most positive statements you can make to yourself that you can actively beli…
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:35 PM
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Sounds like Brazil. The language is a give-away.
/r/seduction23/05/18 01:55 PM
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This reminds me a bit of a pivotal experience I had. I went to the dog track with some buddies. As we’re hanging out, I spotted two cuties seemingly by themselves. I went over and talked to them, hung out for maybe 10 minutes, then went back to my friends. A few minutes later we left and I was talking to one of the guys. “Did you get their numbers?” “Nah. We were just talking.” He rolls his eyes, “You should have asked for their number!” I smirked at him, “You didn’t even go over and talk to the…
/r/seduction04/05/18 09:03 PM
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When the time is right, you can make things easier for yourself and her by gently reaching out and touching her cheek or chin, turning her toward you as you move in. It shouldn’t be forced at all, just guiding. If she’s into it, she’ll just kind of melt into it. If she’s not, it gives her a chance to turn away before it gets really awkward. This works because it telegraphs your intentions before you make your move and is more sensual than just going for the kiss without touching. She can prepare…
/r/seduction05/11/17 02:34 AM
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Whoosh.... Charles Manson
/r/seduction02/06/15 09:54 PM
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Seven percent is pretty close to the profit margin for most businesses. Again, if they could hire comparable help for 7 percent less, companies would take advantage of the pay gap by hiring women. The fact it is not happening shows that the adjusted wage gap is still missing some data. It is plausible that there is a pay gap, but if it was big enough to be non-negligible smart businesses would exploit it, which would result in wage competition that reduces the disparity - returning the pay gap t…
/r/MensRights19/10/12 08:37 PM
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These are good references, but you don't actually need any of them to disprove the gender gap claim. All you need to do is point at the free market. If there really was a pay gap, business owners could take advantage of it by hiring women. After all, they could do the same work and reduce labor costs by 28 percent. That would be HUGE. Imagine the advantage you would have if your business spent 28 percent less on labor compared to other businesses in your industry. You would absolutely dominate y…
/r/MensRights17/10/12 08:18 PM
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