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Well that headline is a relatively hostile take on a relatively real concept. The concept being that men have little sense of being "desired" so we have to feel useful in a way that a woman can't fulfill herself, or else we fear abandonment. It would be a nice moment of vulnerability and discussing insecurities in an actual open and empathetic way, and assessing how society views men as the "undesirable gender". But instead, we end up with articles like "Are men even necessary? Why do we even ke…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 02:04 PM
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Right? I feel like "bring everyone aboard" is for women. Men get "neurodiversity means you're an incel, and you should just disappear".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 02:58 PM
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"We're not blaming men; We just named everything bad after them" That's a sentence I'll need to keep in my back pocket.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 01:07 PM
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It's hard to break fear mongering in a social system where being more afraid is a moral high-ground. People don't seek release from fear, they'll see good news as a threat, and seek more reasons to be afraid
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 06:00 PM
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Yeah the toxicity of college social justice groups is something I've discussed with a couple of my therapists, and it's something they notice, too. I think it has to do with that transition from if you live a relatively insular childhood and then go off to college and suddenly learn about all these social injustices, and the history of social injustice. And it more or less overwhelms you. I had a longer take about what my journey was. But I guess in summary, I grew up feeling like I had broken t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 05:37 AM
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"Do you differentiate between advocate and activist, and what do you call yourself?" If I had to give a difference, it's that an activist actually goes out and protests for things and such. Like I would picture a "healthcare advocate" pushing for universal healthcare in voting, discussion, memes, etc. I would picture a "healthcare activist" going to hospitals with picket signs and chanting stuff. As far as what I call myself, I actually avoid labels. I went hard into intersectional feminism, the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 09:11 PM
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This sort of thing might work when it's a small niche group causing problems for other members of that niche group. Gang violence against other gangs. Billionaires vs billionaires. But men are half the population. They keep wanting us to be some niche group that acts like a single social movement or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 05:45 AM
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Yeah this part of Reddit is toxic as hell. I get banned from them pretty quickly for things like "men like nice people. Just like everyone else." "NO THEY LIKE NICE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SEEK DOMINATION AND CONTROL". Thousands of down thumbs. Instantly perma-banned. For my mental health, I just don't go to those places anymore. As much as I want to try to correct their arguments. It's the same with conservative subs. Except I lurk in those to watch the fireworks when new documents are released.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 04:34 PM
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In fact, wasn't Maxwell head of "recruitment"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 12:35 PM
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Good sub. Looks like it's 95% you. But it's good to call out toxic feminism as its own thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 10:35 AM
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She's in "a regular on PragerU" territory, unfortunately.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 02:30 PM
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Man I wish gifs were allowed. I would have "cuck" and "beta" in quotes. Then underneath it, T'challa saying "No no. We don't do that here." As much as that stuff annoys me, what really baffles are women who are like "I want an alpha male. A really take charge kinda guy. Top of the rank". I met them on occasion in college and was like "Do you have the slightest idea what you're talking about right now?" Sounds like a South American immigrant cheering for ICE or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 07:38 AM
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Spot on about the "man up" stuff being exaggerated. It's like people found a scape goat they can point to to draw attention away from themselves. "Man up" for me has half the time had the context of "just go for it". Like trying a diving board or an intimidating hill on a bike trail. I grew up with sisters, and I kinda liked how, when they would get spooked by dark woods or creepy bugs or something, it would make me feel unbothered when I would normally be just as creeped out had I been alone. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 11:05 AM
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Empathy and bonding arent created by one gene. That would be a disaster. And I never claimed such a thing so I have no idea where you got that implication. The point is that it means Chimps are more of the odd one out in terms of aggression. That we have a bit more in common with the bonobo rather than the chimp when it comes to social bonding. And there's a difference between being alone and being lonely, and loneliness is social detachment. It isn't all funneled into sex. The reason men are hi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/25 04:56 PM
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I almost posted this but I'm glad you did. I commented on the video itself though. Added stuff about hunter-gatherers and the gene that increases empathy and bonding that is present in humans and bonobos but missing in Chimps. I think the reason this stuff especially blew up recently is because of how disconnected we are. And of course, men were hot especially hard by that, as per the male loneliness epidemic study people are so eager to mock.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/25 03:58 PM
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Yeah agriculture basically resurrected something hunter-gatherers actively tried to avoid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/25 03:52 PM
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What are you even doing here if you hate men so much?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/25 11:11 AM
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She famously went on Bill Maher and said that no self-respecting woman would vote for Bernie Sanders. Bill mentioned Sanders supporters were mostly women, and she responded with "girls are just doing that because that's where the boys are". Like they're just trying to get laid. Tells me everything I ever needed to know about Steinham.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 10:04 PM
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Kudos for it coming out of California, too. I feel like the only way the messages stick is if they come from blue states. Coming from a red state, it looks like just opposition to feminism. Coming from a blue state, it looks like inclusive progress.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/25 06:22 AM
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Yeah this is why I generally don't say I'm much of anti-anything. If you just say you're anti-feminist, I hate could mean you oppose the monopolistic control of gender narratives by academics....or it could mean you want women in the kitchen. My criticism of feminism is usually not that it's too progressive, but that it isn't progressive enough. It still clutches it's pearls like a 50's segregationist the moment you suggest women contribute to stereotypes, or that men can be victims of anything …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/25 01:36 AM
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Absolutely. In school, they would talk about how dress codes are misogynistic because girls were most of the ones being repremanded. Boys had to wear shorts that cover the knees when sitting down. Girls had to wear shorts that went halfway down the thigh. Boys couldn't wear tank tops outside of gym. For girls, the straps on their crop tops had to be at least two fingers wide. When they talked about "they are censoring us because they find women's bodies disgusting", I'd look at the male dress co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/25 10:52 PM
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Trump didn't deserve to win, but Clinton absolutely deserved to lose. She is the queen of "men killed in droves, women most affected".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 07:45 PM
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I'd say ideally 3. Mostly I'm just some guy who has become very left-wing and have always had an interest in social justice.I took what I gathered from learning about gender and racial injustice, and just applied it to men. Turns out, it's applicable for many issues. Also turns out, people absolutely lose their minds if you do that. I'm more aligned with feminism than not. But I don't call myself "a" feminist because assuming it as an identity obliges you to arrive at the same conclusions they d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 03:43 AM
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OMG. men's perception of bisexual women vs women's perception of bisexual men. Be a woman and admit you've fooled around with women, and everyone is intrigued except some bible thumpers who are probably just jealous. Be a man and admit you've fooled around with men, and it's like some sort of disease. "Oh now that you're infected, you are only permitted to be with the other infected." "I thought he was cute, but picturing him with a man is just so disgusting." is one I've heard. Same with homoph…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/25 11:22 PM
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I don't see much that is "anti-men". More like just not knowing the ways that misandry is far beyond jokes. There's a difference between not knowing something and being hostile towards something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 03:04 PM
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"And it's only getting worse" Eh, maybe it's just because I'm out of school, but it feels like it's stayed the same or maybe gotten better in the past 10 years. Like when I was in school, things had gotten into "nano-aggressions" and "micro-rape" which came down to things like man-spreading, tone of voice, having visible statues of not fully clothed men, etc. It seemed like things got at least somewhat jogged into perspective when peoples actual rights were actually under attack and they could s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 07:03 PM
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Lol I was hoping people wouldn't catch that. (But I guess secretly hoping someone would.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/25 12:22 AM
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Yep. When the stereotype is that you're are passive, then activism tends to work more. If the stereotype is that you are meek, you can be bold. If it's that you're quiet, you can be loud. If it's that you're invisible, you can take up space. When the stereotype is that you are violent or dominating, you have to choose one or the other. Prove the stereotype wrong but don't be heard, or speak louder and prove the stereotype correct. This is why, for things like black justice protests, you'll see i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/25 10:58 PM
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Yep for sure. I feel like a big thing people forget, too, is how misandry bleeds into what they would refer to as toxic masculinity. A lot of things they label as such have their roots in the empathy gap and male expandability. Quick suggestion on the side: Break up posts into paragraphs. I have real bad ADHD that affects my reading ability, and short paragraphs are a godsend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/25 01:47 PM
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Yes, there is a degree of male-male selection. There obviously isn't going to be zero. But you said that my statement "humans had mostly killed off the concept of "alphas" until the advent of agriculture." is "such a nonsense interpretation". Which is funny, because then you basically backed me up with "Male-male sexual selection is enabled when female members gather in tight clusters. Most often, it's because resources are clustered... such as during agriculture." Exactly. And for hunter-gather…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/25 05:02 AM
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You might be interested in the "Garbage Dump Troop" of baboons. Basically, in a long-term study starting in 1978, primatologist Lisa Share and neurosciencist Robert Sapolsky observed the behavior of groups of baboons that lived near a garbage dump. Because a garbage dump had tons of resources, it was the place to be. However, the alpha males of each group would prevent the rest of their group from having access to it, in order to ensure they have access to the best loot and that others need to g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/25 02:18 AM
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I'm going to make a quick guess, if you are anything like I used to be. I assume your take is that men must compete with each other with each other for status and then a woman only chooses the man of highest social status because she requires access to his resources and social status to ensure her safety. And then from there, every other male serves no purpose except to die in war or overthrow the one at the top. If so, that would be the "alpha male" narrative that is the fundamental principle o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/25 01:23 AM
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It's annoying because I first saw him on Lex Friedman where he did a good talk on reactive vs proactive violence and how humans had mostly killed off the concept of "alphas" until the advent of agriculture. Basically making a point that reducing male hierarchy was important to human evolution. Then out of nowhere, he jumps to "so let's get rid of males. All of them. Let's just wipe them from the genome." Like whoa WTF chill TF out dude. You just made some great points about the importance of les…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/25 10:05 PM
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The first thing I'll probably point out is that I don't put a ton of weight on written philosophy. Basically, the value to me is more or less in presenting conjecture about a possible way things may be linked together. That's generally been my issue with social sciences, especially activist authors in social sciences. People will say stuff like "this is the way the world works because that's what Nietzsche". OK, where is the paper he wrote? What methodology did he use to prove that point? Were o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 06:54 AM
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Andrea Dworkin is one of those women who just decided to be angry, then adopted ideologies to retroactively pretend her anger is righteous. Isn't she also the "men are a walking dildo" one, or was that Solanas?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/25 07:08 AM
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Yeah. Like I'm definitely a critic of feminism, but I'm not anti-feminist per se. That's why I'm here instead of menslib which bans criticism of feminism, or other men's groups that blame everything on feminism and/or women. My take is generally that the issues run much deeper than is described by patriarchy or other versions of "a group of men just actively designed it this way". You might refer to this article as "conservative feminism", because it basically ditches progressivism for the sake …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 09:29 PM
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"six months of paternity leave is not an act of support; it amounts to domestic invasion." Imagine being considered a home invader in your own home with your own family. And they wonder why men work more overtime and aren't as involved in the home: We're supposed to provide for the home while not actually living in the home.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 12:09 PM
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Normally I would be pretty chill about this. But I also follow politics, and you know the political leaning of the sub you are on. Throwing shade at the left right now is like complaining your toe hurts while the rest of your body is engulfed in flame. "Sounds like a nation heading in the wrong direction. One of anti-American values." I grew up learning about the things that make America great, unique, and worth of leadership. Nearly every disappointment I've ever felt when I learned what this c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/25 04:02 PM
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Justifications tend to be based on gender roles, with the idea being "things are too dire to stick to equality." I mean cool I guess, but there are TONS of traditional roles women could fill in a draft condition. So they could still make it mandatory and then make the training gendered if that's really what they want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/25 06:33 AM
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Well they have to allow Mein Kampf if they want to allow the SCUM manifesto. They are too similar to distinguish in the rules.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 11:11 AM
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Absolutely this. Feminism as just a piece of a greater whole is fine, and why I'm actually still pro-feminist even though I'm definitely a critic. The problem is its tendency to suck the oxygen out of the room. It more or less requires everything to come down to misogyny and patriarchy as a cause, and thus the "feminist lens" makes you see everything in only those terms. So it doesn't let issues stand on their own. If it DID let the issues stand on their own, I feel like there wouldn't be such t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 08:36 PM
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Yes exactly. This is one of those topics I use to describe the broader nature of sexism and how simply reducing it to "misogyny" is only seeing part of the picture. Most of the time, you can pull misogyny or misandry narratives out of things like this, because it is the two of them tied together in knots. And if you just pull on the misogyny knot, that doesn't help you fix the loops.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 04:56 PM
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In my case, I've seen ADHD go from a boy's issue, to "You don't have ADHD, you're just a lazy man." or something. Like I guarantee I would be one of those guys who ends up in a partner-shaming video if it weren't for the fact that my partner is in about the same boat as me. But the other part is that I see the argument of "men are only diagnosed more because they are free to misbehave". Kinda like the "girls mature faster because society expects more of them" argument which isn't related to what…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 12:00 AM
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This is what I had suspected. It's like trans people get the worst of both worlds until/unless they are sufficiently "passing".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/25 11:53 AM
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Oh for sure. I had my own dark-night-of-the-soul period in college in the 2010s after I was the target of some false accusations. And I tell ya. If you are a guy struggling with loneliness, feeling like you're treated as a threat, or have other mental health issues, it pretty much goes like this: Left Wing: "We don't need you here. Go join the right wing where you belong." Right Wing: "Come on in. We already got cookies and books waiting." Like if you aren't willing to listen, guys will find som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/25 05:59 PM
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Personally, I do wish there was a tad more focus on the left wing bits and a bit less on pure opposition to feminism. But that's kinda what separates this from men's lib. On men's lib, you basically have to apologize for asking a question in the first place. Insta-ban if you critique feminism at all. So I think it just rushes out here. I think many of us come from leftist or social justice circles, but felt like they were trying to shove us out. For me, I was deep in social justice circles in hi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/25 06:20 PM
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"whine to conservatives" Morgan Freeman narration: "And that's just what Gen Z did, all over the world."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 12:40 PM
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I've usually been a fan. Not sure how it is now, if it's changed. But also note it is less of a news reporting space and more of a collection of opinion pieces. They have a wide range of people who would probably vehemently disagree with each other. So everyone's opinion will vary based on what they have seen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 09:53 PM
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Gone Girl comes to mind, but everyone cheered for the murderous abuser. Sooooo... Honestly I could only watch that movie once, and it made me want to punch the screen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:08 PM
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" ask yourself if we as men have ever heard any Vice President of the United States say aloud that men are not bad people just for being men." Well to be fair, we have had 1 woman VP. So in a field that has been all men, this would generally feel like an odd thing to say out of nowhere. But yes, I do get what you are saying. But also remember that this is less "I acknowledge your issues" and more "I can play theatrics with your issues." It's much the same way that PUA/RP stuff would advertise it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 07:21 AM
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The difficulty I have is even discussing the issues without people thinking it's some dog whistle, and lumping me in with every assumption made because of that dog whistle. It's kinda interesting to watch people get confused when I talk about men's emotional issues, but then hear me disagree when they say "Yeah it's the patriarchy! It hurts everyone!" Or when I talk about male loneliness and someone is like "yeah, watch Jordan Peterson" and then I'm like "Fuck that guy." Like I'm not going to pl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 06:46 PM
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From the "Gen-Z turning right wing" polls, gen z men are similar to millennial men and women on a per-policy basis, but in actual votes, vote to the right. Citing reasons like "they really don't want me there" and "why would I vote for a group that repeatedly calls me an oppressor?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 04:34 PM
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More or less. They were just one of the target groups of the day. These days, American Nazis would focus on Mexicans and middle-easterners. Modern AfD focuses on Turks AFAIK.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/25 05:08 PM
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Probably a fair criticism. I just haven't experienced it much outside of circles like this. What comes to mind specifically was going to Chicago and they had this big ad campaign showing pictures of crying women saying "I could lose my home" and it was a PSA saying something like "most of the homeless people in shelters are women. Homelessness is caused by misogyny." Then I went online and looked it up, and it was a similar story where homeless shelters accept mostly women, even though most of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 11:09 PM
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Pretty much this. Just acknowledgement would be a huge step. Like, homelessness is a largely male issue, but I don't need it to be fully treated as a men's issue. I just don't want it to be treated as "really a women's issue, so you wouldn't understand". Same with domestic violence and sexual violence. I don't want to suck out the oxygen or whatever. But when they literally pass a "violence against women act", it says something about who is trying to suck the oxygen out of the room. At least cal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 06:45 AM
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Anyone who encourages "I'm ashamed to be male" does not get to also say "the patriarchy causes male mental health issues". No. You did. Just now. Growing up being encouraged to take that mindset messed me up more than "man up" ever did.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 11:00 PM
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Yep pretty much this to a T. I'll pop another reply to my message about what I consider my own definition of "patriarchy" to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 09:59 AM
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The freaky part to me is that this will be lumped in with left-right politics. These will be the choices their analysts will hit them with: - You went too far to the left. Drop the leftist stuff and also start actually talking to men. - Centrism means lower enthusiasm and voter turnout. Embrace the leftist stuff. And make sure you keep pointing the finger at men." They see "giving a shit about men" as a "right wing" position so they will try to lump it. I would be pleasantly shocked if they even…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 02:57 AM
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Personally, I do think patriarchy is a thing. The main part I disagree with is that it has become some sort of catch-all that is used to absolve bad takes, hypocrisy, and antipathy. They just kind of use it to describe everything. It's not really much different than the right wing with the "Deep State" or "NWO", where you discover that you can mental gymnastics your way into making everything affirm your narrative, so you assume you magically stumbled on some root cause of all evil in the world.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 08:53 PM
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I mean I generally just say I'm interested in men's issues. MRA has way too much of a stigma, so people won't even open their ears after that. Kinda like how "being celibate but not necessarily wanting to be" is different than using the term !ncel, which carries way more baggage and refers to a specific group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 11:25 PM
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"You guys also call out the left on their hysteria and condescension." The condescension especially. There's a tendency to think "if I shame them enough, they will vote for me". But this is especially the case with regards to men. When men have issues, it generally goes back to "well it's because men are too privileged. So boys aren't being punished enough." Which is a good way to make sure people show up to vote against you. People will resist attempts to take their autonomy, even if they agree…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 02:38 AM
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I mean you're giving me ideas for uses of memory erasing technology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 01:02 AM
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I mean, men aren't looking for just sex. But most I know are swearing off MAGA men. Which I mean, I swore off MAGA women right away. I can think of some ways I would utilize that. But how things will actually play out is a big divide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 10:01 PM
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Yep. That's the secondary reason I was especially put off by the repealing of Roe v Wade. I essentially exacerbates the "India" effect. Where because of major women's rights issues, and people's response to them, extremes in the reverse become tolerated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 06:20 PM
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Fair enough! Just have to think about what angle to take.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 06:43 PM
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Yeah but now we probably have 4 years before we can even start.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 06:41 AM
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Yes exactly. All this does is shove a larger wedge between the genders. And they are obsessed with traditional gender roles. So perhaps we will be seeing mandatory military service for men, along with a whole population who will see this as "men shooting themselves in the foot".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 04:43 PM
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Closest I can think of is The Dadvocate and ShoeOnHead. Warren Farrell and Glen Poole have one or two videos. Though Farrell has a bit too much of the "a man's primary motivation in life is sex" thing going on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 10:20 PM
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Ok so to be fair, some MRAs tend to talk about matriarchy and gynocentrism. I mean there are parts of gynocentrism that make sense. Things like focusing protection on women and children. But like, the origin of that stuff didn't come from "everyone focusing on women" or "women dominating society". It more than likely came about because the societies that were like that didn't die off as much as other societies. But yeah, that's the big problem. They need someone to be the source. They need it to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 02:09 AM
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That's literally every Democrat. Except that both Harris and Walz are vocal gun owners.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 04:22 PM
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Kamala herself has been dodging Clinton's 2016 mistakes. By barely mentioning race and gender, she puts that conversation to the right, and makes them look weirdly gender-obsessed. It's a smooth move, unless the left media and your PACs start playing identity politics and undoing everything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 09:34 AM
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The comments are basically misandrists copium for being called out
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 06:58 PM
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Yeah I generally try to refer to misandrists specifically or at least add qualifiers instead of just saying "feminists are like...". In fact, I generally regard myself to be somewhat feminist (adj) though I don't describe myself as A feminist (n). But also keep in mind a phrase I hear on the left. "Republicans might not all be n@z!s, but who do the n@z!s vote for?" Similar where we don't separate MAGA from conservatives. I don't necessarily agree with the reasoning, but yeah the reasoning is tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/24 12:27 AM
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Yeah I've heard of that. I dated a surgeon for a bit, and didn't have too much of a problem with the idea of being a stay at home dad since my time at home would be more valuable than my wage work. Now I'm dating a fellow engineer who makes what I do. And I think we have a general understanding that there are things that suck for her but come naturally to me, and vice versa, and I think that's how domestic duties should be split. Not 50/50, but applying effort where it is most effective with the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 12:21 PM
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Absolutely. I, and probably several on here, started as rather feminist. It just didn't take long before I started seeing they were very selective in where they were directing their empathy. So I just expanded it to include my own gender. So yeah, I started on women's issues, and felt I couldn't do enough, but felt it was all riding on my shoulders. When I included men, it quickly made me realize the issues are bigger than each of us separately, and certainbly bigger than an oversimplification l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 11:09 AM
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I mean kind of, but it's still a super easy decision, especially this year, where men are represented in 2 different ways with Trump/Vance and Walz. Trump/Vance would represent men as some egotistical cultish force out to control women. Walz puts a brighter, friendlier face on men in relation to a woman's presidential bid. I think, even if they don't tackle men's issues directly, their policies are much more likely to benefit men. But yes, I'm definitely picky. Since I wasn't in a swing state, I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 04:03 AM
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I kinda like this take. The difference with a lot of these things isn't how many assholes there are or where their assholery is directed, but whether they feel they can get away with the assholery. Different people conjure up different reasons. And a lot of us on here have probably been on the receiving end of "I'm oppressed, I can't BE an asshole" or "I don't like this. I'll say it's oppression." While they might have experienced or heard stories about assholes with their own asshole excuses li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/24 06:22 PM
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I'd be interested in this assessment. Like how it was determined. It feels like saying that GitHub is Anarcho-Syndicalist or something. Actually wait.....I suppose the FOSS movement is, to some degree, anti-capitalist and anti-hierarchical. And it puts the means of production (of code) into the hands of the public rather than consolidating it into the few. So I guess they lean Anarcho-Socialist. Now you got me thinking about this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 08:02 PM
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Yeah, normally I'm not too concerned on other subs because someone will post something that is a troll post on a shitposting sub and then everyone gets completely anal about what constitutes a shit post or a troll post. But on social justice oriented subs, if it just turn into a collection of horrible comments, that doesn't help people as much as it creates false consensus, which generally exacerbates the issue. Out of 8 billion people, if 0.1% of the population likes licking doorknobs, and each…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 05:03 PM
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Ok I really like that we have a solution-oriented response here, rather than devolving into a circle jerk of "these stats don't exist". Like it's better to see "hey good news, this particular thing isn't as crazy as we thought." Not that the content itself was any better: It's disturbing seeing worker health be presented as "Companies may not see an immediate ROI, but over time productivity can improve by as much as X%" Anyone who addresses human health and happiness simply "as a potential optio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/24 11:23 PM
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Hi early I'm just confused with that first one trying to draw conclusions while only polling for issues related to one side. In particular "posts suggesting women cause men's problems." If they are going to draw a conclusion, maybe they should ask how many men have seen posts suggesting men are the cause of women's problems. Hmm....I WONDER what that number would look like. I guess it's an international women's Day poll. But still. I get sick of one sided polls or totally different interpretatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/24 11:14 AM
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Bummer, man. I hate to hear it. I had kind of an opposite experience. My home life was good and my school life sucked. IIRC, I think my mom punched one of my teachers because of the things she would say about me. Stuff like "His kind should be left to his own devices so lazy shits like him will just die off and not continue to taint the gene pool." In 3rd grade, I would regularly not get recess because I never got my homework done. So they would just toss a desk into a closet and I would spend m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/24 05:52 PM
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Maybe. I'd say the one I read about trauma resilience I had read like over a decade ago, and I think part of it might have been disproven. Basically they had been doing brain scans of boys and girls, and found that one group was born with a 25% smaller corpus callosum. And those in that group with a history of trauma showed more permanent damage to the corpus callosum. Gender assumptions being what they are, they thought it was the girls they were looking at, but it was the boys. And it kinda to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 03:47 AM
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Honestly, I don't think society should be assigning morality judgements to children. But if this WERE a trend, it COULD say that we raise boys to be selfish. But it could just as easily say we raise boys with less social connection. But with the ages shown, I don't think there has been enough time for socialization to have a major impact. And likely what would be going on would be related to how girls and boys develop differently. Dont quote me in this because I don't have the paper on me. But a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/24 05:35 PM
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Shit I hate to say this, because I agree with the sentiment. But I wanted to cover something first. Actually yeah. To a degree, addressing racial issues helps white people, too. And helping LGBT issues helps straight people, too. An "oppressor" can benefit from helping the "oppressed". In much the same way that the corporatists can benefit from everyone else having more money to spend. Addressing the more glaring racial issues can help reduce racial tensions. LBGT stuff has an effect of expandin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/24 06:46 AM
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This chain is the best thing I've seen today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/24 03:41 PM
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For a response to your actual message. I actually generally agree trans women were never really men. Or at least I try to avoid making too many assumptions or judgements. Even though I admit some part of my brain is tempted to do so. The thing is, by accepting the premise that they were that gender from the start, it does provide a bit of insight on what we attribute to the gender vs what we socially demand based on their gender. Trans men often talk about "they were suddenly taken seriously whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 06:04 PM
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Edit: I totally misread your comment. I thought you said "imagine thinking that's misandrist". The following is a response to that: I'm just going on what I've tended to see from TERFs: Trans men: "Women who are traitors to their gender. Trying to take the easy way out by thinking they can join the privileged oppressor." Trans women: "Men who are trying to appropriate and taint womanhood. Men trying to infiltrate women's bathrooms to satisfy their perversions or attack women." I haven't really s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 05:38 PM
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I wish more people realized that being a TERF stems quite commonly from misandry. Or at least uses it as a justification for transphobia. Like, you hate men so much, you also hate people who transitioned to or from manhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 04:16 PM
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I know he doesn't run anymore, but Andrew Yang comes to mind. I actually heard some good discussions from him about overtime and job danger, helping men in education, etc. I'll have to watch his talk with Marianne Williamson again, but I seem to recall her being receptive. And I think if we bring up men's issues to democratic politicians, they are relatively receptive. It's just, in part, a matter of getting the questions out there. When they have to take an empathetic stance towards men in a de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 12:52 AM
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IIRC it was formed by someone from this sub, if that adds context.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/24 12:25 PM
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Glad you're liking it! It has been my favorite as well. There's also MisandryFreeFemAllies. I haven't been on there in a while because it seemed like they were still getting up and running. But I hope more anti-misandry womens-issues groups take off too. But yeah, the depression thing isn't unusual for any sub focused on social issues. It's why it's generally a yellow flag if someone is talking about how they are afraid to leave the house because men are lurking in every corner, then they mentio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/24 11:12 PM
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Ah thanks for that. It was still out of date at the time, and I wish they would at least use up-to-date numbers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/24 09:55 PM
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Big misstep on her part. Glad Snopes acknowledged it. She needs to be celebrating women's successes more than making them feel like their efforts have gone in vain. Another thing I wish they would do is actually call these things out in debates in questions and such. Like give them questions about men in education for instance, and there will have to be an answer for it. Regardless, she is still a super easy choice over Trump, and is so far still way better than Clinton was ("Women have always b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/24 04:15 PM
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I mean similar to this one. I know there's MisandryFreeFemAllies. Not super popular yet since it's super new. But it's nice being able to advocate for women without feeling I'm demonizing half the population of the planet in the process.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 02:16 AM
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It's basically what happens when you take an anxiety-colored mirror and face it towards another anxiety-colored mirror and the light keeps bouncing back and forth until it has been distilled into its purest essence. It's where the other creepy ideological reddit groups come from as well. I'm hoping that's not going to be the fate of this sub. And I'd be interested in some women's subs that work the same way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 01:40 AM
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I almost have to check out of those conversations. After having BEEN falsely accused, it's like "sorry to hear that but it is rare and almost never happens." Thanks. In cured.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 06:52 PM
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Yes I totally understand. And there's a lot of untapped potential I can get into. Though to some extent, I'm trying to be pragmatic and strategic. Kamala being a woman does still help motivate women voters, and in several cases add at least a tad of internal conflict for women on the right. So the message of "motivate the women" is one I don't really have an issue with. It's the "save us from the men" attitude. So I do try to be precise. But yeah, the left has done this sequence a lot: 1. "All o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/24 08:07 PM
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Have you seen them ask the question in Japan? The difference is hilarious. Nearly everyone is like "wtf who would even pick the bear? Why are you asking me a nonsense question?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 07:49 PM
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Yeah. Though I do want to be fair and point out I tend to see it more from men, at least to a degree. Doesn't make it better or somehow a non-issue. More like I don't want to lean too strongly on an idea that it was an idea that went from women to men, but more society as a whole's view of men. When a girl groped my crotch at work and offered a BJ right there.....in a quiet computer lab filled with dozens of people.....the responses ranged. My dad was like "hmmm.....shoulda taken her up on that"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 05:43 PM
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I heard an anthropologist bring that idea up. Of course, he went on an insanely misandrous rant later talking about exterminating men.....so like.... But yeah, the idea seems plausible. Especially with the whole "Garbage Dump Troop" thing I mentioned elsewhere. It might have even happened before we split from the chimp/bonobo branch. It might just be that chimps brought it back. My issue with it is that it's probably a vast oversimplification. It would be hard to have that happen species-wide in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 04:27 AM
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"But it’s good to know the tendencies, and decide whether controlling them rationally is worthwhile or does more bad than good." Yep exactly. "About f ex meeting new people all the time:" I'm not sure if "f ex" is a typo. But yeah, that was actually my point in bringing it up. We are built for close-knit groups which rarely meet strangers. So meeting strangers all the time starts to push our limits. So consider hierarchy, for instance. If you have dinner with a bunch of friends, it's usually rat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 07:20 PM
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Haha. Thanks. I don't think I have a specific rhyme or reason to it. Just that it looks muddy to me without them. Especially when they get long like "pre-agricultural-revolution". Like, if the hyphens weren't there, I'd forget what I was even reading. I also tend to do lots of short paragraphs. I have trouble reading long paragraphs, and tend to lose my place in books which makes it hard for me to read. I didn't notice it much until people in the ADHD groups pointed it out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:09 PM
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As far as things to read or look into: The first thing that got me interested in this topic was Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan and his wife Cacilda Jetha. Though do take some of it with a grain of salt, as their views are considered somewhat "rose-tinted" and emphasize the kinky. The book is mostly arguing that we aren't naturally monogamous, but instead choose do be so, and that we shouldn't be so hard on ourselves and restrictive of our sexuality. Chris also did a book called "Civilized to De…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:57 PM
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I'll get to the others later, but point #4 is an interesting one to me: We like to focus on hierarchical aggression, but that isn't a given. It just gets a lot of the spotlight. But yes absolutely. Even in animals like chimps and baboons, who are notorious for their aggressive hierarchies. There's actually a really interesting observation about exactly this. In Kenya, there were several groups of baboons that would hang around a garbage dump, because it is rich in loot. Because of their fierce h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:40 PM
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OK one thing I should warn you is not to rely too much on genetics with human behavior. The main human genetic behavior is adaptability. By having a huge neocortex and tons of neuroplasticity, we have more behavioral variability than entire families of animals. We are basically built so that we can learn things and then wire them up as though they are instinct. For the most part, genetics mostly bias us one way or the other, or have a few base requirements like socializing. Here's why I say this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 03:24 AM
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Hopefully this is a trend. Unfortunately here in the US, we are so politically galvanized. People only have two paintbrushes. Red and Blue. They can't mix the colors, and they have to paint everything. So if you aren't completely Blue, then you must be Red. And vice versa. It's scares the hell out of me in part because of the US's influence on other countries. Like with this next election, I'm considering leaving the country depending on the outcome. But I worry issues in the US will follow me a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 01:25 PM
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Yeah I do tend to worry about this. Hence why I have this separate account for most of my redditing, and avoid tying anything to other social media accounts. Though I think this is a good idea when discussing any controversial topics. Not just for your own safety, but to not create a link between your views and the company you work for. That's the part where companies get twitchy. You might be surprised by my last job. We had to do periodic training/tests regarding avoiding discrimination in the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 01:09 PM
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Assuming it's the same one from another post, it is basically saying "misandry doesn't exist because feminists don't hate men any more than men do." Yeah....listen to some transphobic men talk about trans women for a while. It's a pretty low bar we are talking about, here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 12:38 AM
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Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. Hopefully it's a fluke, because flawed characters were the highlight of S1
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 10:02 AM
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...The irony of many of the examples actually being common, and women thinking they don't happen. Like, if a some boy is sexually assaulted by a teacher, he would be lucky to be blamed for it, because at least it would be acknowledged as a problem in the first place. Luckily we more widely acknowledge that as a problem now, but that's a pretty recent phenomenon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 07:56 PM
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Yes exactly! And there's a lot of things it attaches itself do. Am I worthy of love? Am I man enough? Are my desires evil or monstrous? What am I doing with my life? Am I going to die alone? You get this sense that intimacy is something everyone else gets to experience by virtue of being alive and worthy of love. Which of course, the more they say this, the more you feel like a degenerate unworthy of love, simply for being frustrated or insecure, or simply wanting to be loved the same way everyo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/24 05:21 AM
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Basically what I think happens is that a lot of men's mental and emotional issues will get funneled into a "sense of libido" (as opposed to libido itself). While I have been single, it was like all of those things like frustration, insecurity, and loneliness were funneled into "not being single" or "wanting to have sex." But when I started dating again, I tried to take note to see what would change. And sure enough, it's like the floodgates opened. I realized how unaddressed my ADHD issues were.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/24 04:23 AM
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Yep. Let's not mix up leftism with whatever the purity politics is that has come up on the left recently. There's a lot of pearl clutching done on the left that isn't exactly "liberal" or "progressive". Especially when you get groups like TERFs using old pro-segregation talking points against men. The men-are-monsters and women-are-harmless narrative is the same old stereotype around for millennia
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 05:51 AM
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Ohhhh. Gotcha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:09 AM
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Thank you for sharing your story. I had gone through a similar process in a different order, but saw similar sides. And yeah, I'm right where you are. I think the feminist perspective is one piece of the puzzle, but we are at the point where even suggesting there are other pieces is considered anti-piece-sacrelige. It's a pretty rough time to have nuanced opinions. It's all shouting matches and pre-deciding whether to paint something entirely blue or entirely red, and demanding each shade be an …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/24 01:05 AM
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Yeah which wave was Valerie Solanas and the SCUM manifesto right before she attempted to assassinate Andy Warhol? Shit was WILD. For a lot of those quotes like "men should be reduced to 10% of the population and isolated in their own state, and rented for reproductive purposes" or "a man is little more than a walking dildo", it seemed like it came from the late 50's to 80's. It seems like it went from niche and extreme to becoming the "standard narrative" but being somewhat more diffuse. I think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/24 03:45 PM
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Yep. Though the sacrificial cultures tend to be a bit more nuanced. Some did children. Some did prisoners. Some did people in high positions. In some cases, it was like one of the highest honors and people would clamor for it. But even then, that makes it yet another case of "send them to die but give them a ribbon so they don't complain about it."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/24 06:03 PM
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For sure. Though personally I try to avoid using broad brushes too thickly. I more or less refuse to identify with movements. Because they are built on a narrative, they have a social incentive to keep that narrative relevant as long as possible. I have a few of my own narratives hustling around. (And yes, patriarchy theory is one of them, but is only a piece of the puzzle, not the puzzle itself.) But I try to separate my identity from them when possible. Because every time you chisel some narra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 09:06 PM
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I think the intended meaning was that it was based on patriarchy and the assumptions that society is primarily misogynist. I def agree that TERFism is about misandry. It is what I would call a regressive/conservative movement that pretends it is progressive. So it views trans men as "traitors to women's cause" and "taking the easy way out". And then it views trans women as "appropriating womanhood" and "seeking to get closer to their victims.' So it claims to be gender-progressive, but it holds …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 08:23 PM
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"The trans man is conscious of his transition" Yeah that to me is the interesting part, is being conscious of the transition. That's a unique perspective that could shed light on parts of the male experience cis men probably had trouble identifying or putting into words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 05:46 PM
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I mean technically, every man is trans, it's just a matter of when you transition. Not to dismiss trans struggles. But rather to me, rejecting trans men is somewhat nonsensical. It's like rejecting newer Avatar fans because "I watched it when it first aired". It's more or less as simple as that, as far as I'm concerned. There will obviously be some nuances because there might be childhood experience we had that you didn't, or that you had that we didn't. Though it's no different between cis men.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 03:01 PM
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Right? It's hard to have someone's back if you feel like they don't have yours. Same for the other person. So the conditions have to be sort of right for it to work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/24 06:18 AM
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I dated a woman who was more in the MRA direction than I was. She was a big fan of GirlWritesWhat. So when it came to discussing gender issues, she tended to argue on behalf of my gender, and I would argue on behalf of hers. That was an awesome dynamic, because it was like we were defending each other, rather than having this galvanized layer between us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 05:17 PM
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I try to avoid these sorts of labels. I sometimes say that I "am feminist, but not A feminist." Because it informs only.part of my world view. I rarely every use "oppressor" or "oppressed" "Patriarchy" is way too broad of a term. But to me it isn't "the major cause of gender issues", but just another symptom. To me, the closest to a "big cause" is agriculture, and the fact that agriculture was kinda shit for thousands of years. And that a lot of our current social structures weren't "designed". …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 01:42 PM
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On the later part with woman vs bear... The statistics they cite about men vs bears still hold for women vs bears. It more or less reveals that it isn't based on actual threat levels, but perceived threat levels.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 10:12 PM
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It's basically a gaslight tutorial.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/24 04:34 PM
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Yeah see that's what I thought too. It sounded odd and essentialist. But removing the feminine/masculine from it, I liked the discussion. It was more like Utilitarianism vs whatever the "feminine" one would be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/24 12:28 AM
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I haven't read much on this topic. We did cover a very specific version in my ethics class, which IIRC, my professor claimed was the origin of the term "feminism" before it was a movement. i'm skeptical because this was my first time hearing of it. But I liked the idea as it stands. Basically he discussed a history of "masculine" vs "feminine" ethics. "Masculine" ethics being described as "general like", decisive, and focused on the bigger picture, net good, the ends justify the means. If you ki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 02:57 PM
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I'd say the more relevant ones in anthropology would study modern-day hunter-gatherers. Though it has its own share of problems. My main issue with "soft sciences" like social sciences are that the mechanism is extremely complex, but the standard of scrutiny seems rather low. They will single out a specific hypothesis to test, make a prediction, and run an experiment to see if it matches the prediction. That's all well and good, but there are tons of different potential explanations. So they str…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 03:52 PM
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OMG I just found an even better one. "Take every man in your city and replace him with a bear. Do you feel safer?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 12:55 AM
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Honestly the entire field of social sciences (or at least social science reporting) needs a big lesson on how statistics work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 08:02 PM
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I mean, you could say "Woman or bear" and cite more or less the same statistics saying you're much more likely to be assaulted by a woman, statistically. Bonus: if someone disagrees and calls it misogynist, you can say they're gaslighting you or something. But I don't want to play that game where everyone has daggers out. So I would only bring it up as a hypothetical. A more interesting one would be "Nuclear bomb or car?" Since it's inception, the nuke has killed about 200,000 in the entire worl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 07:57 PM
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...and take the whole country down in the process. Look up Project 2025. The absolute worst Biden could make me do is vote 3rd party. The GOP isn't an alternative. That's like someone saying "I broke my leg and won't be able to walk for months", and someone else saying "hmmm....have you tried eating a grenade?" If you wanted a candidate who actually cares about men's issues, watch Andrew Yang's YouTube channel. At least from what I've seen, he is kore or less in alignment with this page. I was s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 04:20 PM
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Sorry I can't provide much clarification. I pretty much never use the term myself. It seems to involve some sort of "make someone spineless" meaning or "questioning your honor" or "insulting your dignity." Either way, the fact that there isn't a feminine equivalent to the term seems to imply it either refers to a sort of dignity only in question for men, or implying a form of dignity that simply doesn't exist in women. So to me that can only mean some type of a "defend your honor" or "question y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/24 08:17 PM
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A nice reminder that ace men exist. And are probably especially put off by the "male horndog" stereotype.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/24 04:00 AM
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Yeah, like men are generally desexualized by the media, unless they look like literal gods. As in Thor. Even then, I kinda like those, too. Even though the body types are even less realistic than the examples of sexualized women. So I mean, bonus points if they did the same for skinny guys or something. But it is kinda refreshing seeing men portrayed as easy on the eyes. Then again, I might be somewhat Bi. I think about it off and on, but it really came into light when I watched the Dune movies …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/24 03:58 AM
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This is also a nice article because it describes what I've been seeing. Black issues are basically men's issues on steroids, with black men's issues being an intense one-two punch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/24 02:16 AM
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Whoa. Nice article. I was starting to be a bit of a fan of his, too. Partially because I tend to latch on to anyone who presents men's issues without being a directly "anti-feminist" nutjob. (In this case, I mean "anti-feminist" as in "wants the opposite of feminism's goals" or "wants to undo women's social progress.". "Anti-feminist" can also be on the exact opposite side of this. Advocating for social progress, and viewing feminism as a hindrance or at least critical of the feminist lens. That…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/24 02:15 AM
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You might want to look into hunter-gatherers and the concept of Dunbar's number. Every animal is going to be selfish to some degree, by necessity. But humans are kinda great at empathy and selflessness when it comes to people they know and directly interact with. A lot of the "human condition" issues are related to how we had to survive the first couple millennia of agriculture and stationary civilization. These days we interact with people well beyond Dunbar's number. Nearly everyone is a compl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 05:15 PM
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Absolutely. That's probably my main personal gender issue. And a regular topic in therapy. With reports of the loneliness epidemic, the worst response I saw was "well well well, if it isn't the consequences of your own actions." That sort of attitude is what creates this kind of anxiety in the first place. As though my childhood of playing with LEGOs alone was in any way linked to Harvey Weinstein or something. I used to talk about this with both my parents. My mom would tell me "You are NOT res…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 05:07 PM
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Yeah and it got shot down due to anti-discrimination laws. Because obviously. So at least they acknowledge discrimination against men isn't a "good thing".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/24 04:00 PM
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Sarcasm I assume. But IIRC, it's kinda that way in Iceland since they are almost matriarchal at this point. I know they had some big women's marches recently, but I think those were more about global issues than local ones. The most hilarious thing from there is how they handled the 2008 crash. In the US, corporations got bailouts and their financial leaders got raises. In Iceland, their financial leaders were actually tried, removed from the company, and jailed. Because of what might have been …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 06:57 AM
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Yeah. Not only that but we shouldn't try to replicate their exact model, because it won't work everywhere. The US, for instance, has very little trust in far-away insitutions like the federal government. And a huge portion of our taxes go to defense spending, which already has trillions of dollars that are undocumented. So like, in many of these countries, you probably feel like your taxes are actually going to better the social welfare. In the US, taxes are especially painful because it feels l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 06:51 AM
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Yeah. Like I feel like this is the actual meaning of "a rising tide lifts all boats". Conservatives use that phrase to mean something more like "if you dump all of your water into a bucket, some of it might drip down." But when you have a good social safety net, everything feels less zero-sum. One set of issues feels less like it's sucking the oxygen from other issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 06:27 AM
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I can't speak for someone who is actually there, but my general understanding is that European gender progressivism is more...progressive than we see in the core Anglosphere. Like in the US, when we see evidence of gender discrimination in the workplace, we start attacking employers and calling whole institutions sexist by nature, and try to push laws to punish them. In Sweden, as I understand it, they looked a bit deeper and found men worked most of the overtime. Both from men facing extra pres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 06:23 AM
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Awesome! Joined right away.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 12:12 PM
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She is basically the mother of everything that is the antithesis of this sub. I'd say look up quotes from her, but I feel like that's a mean thing to ask and you might have been having a good day. Oh and she tried to assassinate Andy Warhol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 05:20 AM
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OK that's not as dystopian as I feared. They def need to update it though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 11:15 PM
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Honestly I've known quite a few, actually. I've met a few feminists who genuinely care about men's issues as they stand. And its awesome when it happens, because they're used to picking out sexism both obvious and nuanced, and include men's experience in their analysis. One woman I knew was a big time feminist who could go on long rants about fathers' rights and even moreso about circumcision. This was early in college, and was the first time I had heard circumcision be compared to FGM. Or I rem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:57 AM
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Awesome! Kudos to them! There was a similar poll which showed feminist views of men to be generally quite positive. But this one in particular is especially important. For one reason in particular: You cannot hold judgement if you exempt yourself from the same judgement. Anyone who says "I can't be X, because X requires prejudice plus power, and I have no power" you can assume they are X. Otherwise, there would be no need to create some new rule to exempt themselves from their own judgement. And…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 07:58 PM
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Yeah. Or when they only bring up misandry as a whataboutism to justify some part of their misogyny. "Well, men die in dangerous jobs and in wars. So women should stay home and make babies and sandwiches". It's like their car has a flat tire, so they go ahead and remove the battery and fuel tank because the car won't drive anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 06:01 PM
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Oh for sure. That's my frustration with BS from the "toxic manosphere". It essentially turns into a cult of conspiracy. That is, they are less interested in helping men, and more interested in preserving the conspiracy. Back in college, I went probably 60% down that rabbit hole after a false accusation against me and a borderline abusive girlfriend. The main mechanism there is that it will take men's fears and insecurities and basically light them on fire. Often using oppositional rhetoric from …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/24 03:54 PM
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Yeah it definitely varies. My girlfriend is very feminist but prefers hanging out with guys, and nearly all of her friends are guys, and she especially prefers guys in tech. So she's generally open to talking about the male experience. She is also very much not the type who expects to be provided for. So to me, when she talks about her own frustrations, it easier to listen to, because it's not like she is talking about double standards then turning around and dishing them out. An ex of mine turn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/24 07:40 AM
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But I experience the extreme opposite in left-leaning casual social spaces, for example OK, so my sexual preference is, like, 90%/10% between women and men, respectively. I usually say I'm "straight". Because, well, I am. But when I was in social justice groups in college, I remember I started switching to saying I was bi. Suddenly people would hear my take or empathize. Even if what I was saying had nothing to do with my sexual orientation. It was toxic. But especially so coming from a group th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 01:10 AM
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First of all, I don't think anyone here doubts you as a man. I feel like that would be for the right-wing groups. If you're wondering if you fit in: you seem more interested in actually acknowledging and discussing men's issues as they stand, rather than conditionally accepting them so long as they fit a narrative. That's enough for me. And better yet, you aren't doing so out of dismissal for women's issues. I get women aren't our focus here, but in past groups I was getting very sick of having …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 12:58 AM
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Here's how I would put it: Is it smart to have a defensive stance when you're alone at night? Especially if you are smaller and of lower strength? Maybe cross the street to avoid man? Yeah I would say so. Is it sexist? Absolutely. Were you going to cross the street to avoid another woman? Would it change your mind if they were black? White? I think we should be able to hold this cognitive dissonance without needing it to resolve into one or the other. It can be both. If not, it requires us to de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 08:00 PM
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Absolutely. My original draft of the past included Good Will Hunting and Pursuit of Happyness. But I've only seen the latter once over a decade ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/24 04:59 PM
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Different quality perhaps. I might go more into that in a bit. Yep. Or at least it was more direct. Or rather, amongst guys, it seems like emotions are just a fact of life, and external problems are something to be solved. But while I lived with a group of women, it was the opposite. External problems are a fact of life, and feelings are something that needs to be talked out. Living with women helped a lot with identifying and verbalizing emotions. But it also had a tendency to amplify them in t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/23 06:32 PM
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Before that, they just said "masculinity is responsible for all the evil in the world". Adding a qualifier in the front to refer specifically to toxic masculinity (as distinct from masculinity as a whole) was sort of a welcome upgrade, IMO. But I do like the term "internalized misandry" for a lot of these things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/23 05:05 AM
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Yep. People like to put topics like communism and fascism in neat little boxes and paint them red or blue. But it isn't so clear cut. For instance, one of the big problems in the Soviet Union was the fact that by sending elected union leaders to represent the workers in various fields, these representatives essentially had to represent their industry as a whole. So in some ways, it was like the problem in the US with industry lobbyists influencing politicians....but more intense because the lobb…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/23 10:20 PM
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For sure. Most importantly, the fact that "regressive leftists" are a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/23 09:14 PM
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I try to avoid some of this these days, mostly because of when I was reading stuff about hunter-gatherers. Seems like we were evolving away from a lot of older things, and then slowed down once culture was able to compensate the difference. But yeah, there is something to what you are saying. After mapping the genomes of the great apes, we have found some genes associated with behavior, aggression, empathy, and bonding that are more related to the bonobo (pan paniscus) than to the common chimp (…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 10:09 PM
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The Dadvocate for sure. Yeah the problem with YouTubers is it quickly hops right into the toxic manosphere space. But this is reddit, so I think everyone here is aware. She does a lot of explaining guys to girls, and girls to guys. And she doesn't seem too echo-chamber-y. My ex gf was a huge fan of ShoeOnHead. But she would be hard to get into now that she's bigger. It was better when she was just this rando girl ranting about absurdities on YouTube. I used to watch a lot of stuff from Dr. Chris…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 08:53 PM
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So getting men to work together on our issues is frustrating because it's kinda like trying to ride the buggy into town to buy a horse to pull it. Men are expected to be fiercely independent, and often must view each other as competitors. But this means we don't engage nearly as much socially. It doesn't help that we have trouble seeing our own intrinsic value as human beings, rather than a pokemon card of stats and abilities. I feel like this does a lot to make simply enjoying others' company f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 07:50 PM
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Slight tangent, and I'll do another post more directly related to men supporting men. But I wanted to make a comment about addressing men's issues in general. I don't mean to compare issues between groups. Or I try to avoid it. But there's one issue in men's activism that is similar to black men's activism. That is, women's activism has a couple of distinct advantages. The stereotype of women is that they are weak, passive, and complacent. But this sets them up for good activism, because the mer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 07:00 PM
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Oddly enough, I was watching Natalie Gold react to Barbie, and she said this: "It parallels young boys who feel isolated and neglected and looked down upon just for being men, but then being told they have all the power and not really having any power because they're young boys." I was kinda astonished that it clicked that well for her. But yeah, who "built" society is largely irrelevant because they're mostly dead. I mean yeah there's residual stuff, but the ones who made that aren't here to fi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 05:41 PM
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OK TL;DR since that got absurd. If a deaf porn recruiter walks into a strange new bar, they see a room full of potentials right off the bat. If a blind documentary interviewer walks into a strange new bar, there is nothing to make them pay more attention to one person over the other. One of them is going to be a lot more active in their endeavors than the other. Men's libido is like the deaf porn recruiter. Women's libido is like the blind interviewer. The world has become a bar. For things to b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 04:25 AM
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Yeah actually there are some ways to work with some of this. I'll do a TL;DR as a follow-up comment. While I don't think things would ever get to 1:1 parity, they could certainly get closer, and it seems to have to do with quirks in how our libidos are motivated and how modern society works. Basically, men generally have really high primary attraction compared to women. This is that initial, primarily sexual, attraction. It isn't necessarily only physical, but physical is a major component. Wome…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 04:19 AM
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OK dude. We get it. You want to drop out but still get handed the degree. I hear if you click your heels and say "synergy" 5 times, a business degree falls from the sky and into your hands. (I kid, business majors) But personal life and qualifications are orthogonal subjects. You shouldn't lose points in math because you're gay and the professor is homophobic. And in the same way, you shouldn't gain points in math because you have depression. Standards should stay standards. If you want to help,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 03:46 AM
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GMP was kinda LWMA before LWMA. Or I guess MensLib is more accurate. They used to have a broad mix of contributors, from MRAs to feminists to therapists, etc. So it's hard for me to dismiss the whole site offhand. I still reference this article sometimes when trying to explain to people that when men are insecure about their wives out-earning them, it isn't some bone-headed "need for control", it's a fear of abandonment. And that smacking us and saying "stop being sexist" only makes everything w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 02:39 AM
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What? If someone is trying to get their driver's license, do you waive the requirement for the driving test just because "I've had a difficult time living with blindness?" If there's a minimum GPA requirement to stay in classes, and that get waived, but you still have to retake the classes if you fail them, that's all well and good. It might be the actual point of the bill. But I was facing a false accusation one year, and it messed me up for quite some time. I didn't ask for classes to "lower t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/23 10:47 PM
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Well the thing about the USA is that we demand men be extra masculine, and then get mad that men are extra masculine. When men soften up and refine enough to no longer be considered problematic, they are also no longer considered sufficiently manly. Like IDK if you have seen Avatar: The Last Airbender, but consider Zuko: He wasn't ruthless enough for his dad, but he was too problematic for other people simply because he was from the fire nation. And while he was trying to sort out his identity, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/23 09:08 PM
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I'd say they mostly came about the same way gender differences in similar animals came about. The men don't affect the birth rates much, so in times of stress, they become expendable. The women basically determine the birth rates. Or personally, I believe our common ancestor with chimps and bonobos was more like the bonobo, where female bonobos formed the social core. But for one, most of these differences were vestigial. Bonobos form female coalitions but no male coalitions. For Chimpanzees, it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/23 02:57 AM
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Yeah, the infantilization of women is a big one. Especially things like moral purity, or "they know not what they do", or "she only did that because her father/boyfriend/husband convinced her to do so." That last one has had a tendency to kill female villain arcs. It's one thing I like about classic Disney. Female protagonist. Female antagonist. And they stick to their guns on keeping the female antagonist evil. In many movies, the female villain works for a male villain. And when she is actuall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/23 01:44 AM
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Hey I'm just kinda glad to see a relatively even distribution. I was fully expecting to be one of, like, 10 people towards the top. It's good because it ideally means this group is "orthogonal to" feminism, rather than focusing on being aligned or opposed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/23 01:28 AM
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"Women face societal issues that we should look at and analyze." Right Wing: "So do men. STFU." LWMA: "So do men. Share the discussion and maybe we can move forward together." I kid. I know most conservatives' takes are more nuanced than that. But it gives you the idea of what the viewpoints are. I think the "right wing" stuff you are seeing on here is mostly criticism of pop-feminism. For one, note that opposition to a left-wing idea is not necessarily going to be right-wing. In the same way th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 07:23 PM
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I once dated a girl who was more "hardcore MRA" than I was. It was interesting, because when we would discuss gender topics, we were both basically advocating for the other gender. That was awesome, ngl. My current partner is definitely more feminist, and when I do discuss men's issues, it tends to be with a feminist lens. Sort of the "men's issues caused by the patriarchy" in terms of framing. She's rather high in anxiety, though, so she does all these extra precautions when going in public and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/23 04:33 PM
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