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| 16 | Is it weak being suicidal because of radical misandry?I've been avoiding and distrusting women as a result of this, afraid they turn out to be misandrists like the ones i see on Tiktok. A big thing I've come to realize is just how warped the distribution of ideas is on social media, and just how much negative discourse is maintained and promoted by, like, 100-200 people. I've seen entire Reddits where 5-ish particularly toxic individuals completely warped the conversations day after day and week after week, only I didn't initially realize it becaus… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/26 07:54 PM |
| 4 | Lack of equality in gender studiesI'm not sure this plays out that way. A major reason young men went into tech is because of the high earning potential, and that continues to be a major motivating force due to the still-present societal expectation on men to be resource producers. It's a paradox where removing that expectation to increase male involvement in social science research would itself likely require a change in the messaging coming out of that research. The other option is that we start paying scientists what they are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/26 06:03 PM |
| 1 | The Body Count Discourse Is An Anti-Male Distraction From Real IssuesYeah, there is a good amount of evidence that women do actually find positive traits to be attractive, even outweighing physical attractiveness in their internal calculus to a greater degree than in men, but all of that is meaningless when the primary vector of the dating market is totally divorced from local community and social networks. That leaves only the variables of physical attraction and one-on-one charisma, both things that are only naturally possessed by a small sub-population of men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/26 06:35 AM |
| 1 | The Body Count Discourse Is An Anti-Male Distraction From Real IssuesTechnically societal sexual liberation would fix this, but it would need to be for men (such as society no longer openly viewing male sexuality as negative, or attaching passive negative connotations / negative value to men that aren't in a relationship). This would decrease some of the pressures on men to date, equalizing the dating market somewhat, as well as remove pressures that prevent men from effectively/freely building social networks under normal conditions, which would both equalize th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | The Body Count Discourse Is An Anti-Male Distraction From Real IssuesYou are making the common mistake of taking the problem as described by women as being descriptive of the whole problem and not the specific part they are frustrated by. You are correct that women will choose men that they feel to care about them, if such men are available as options, but what you miss is that women determine which men are in that group based on a minimum attraction value that occurs before those caring characteristics are displayed. The actual issue is that there are a lot of g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/26 06:16 AM |
| 16 | What do you think about young men feeling abandoned and demonised by left?Men are not graduating at lesser rates, its women graduating at higher rates than men. Actually, just a little bit of googling will repeatedly reveal that college rates for young men have been falling for some time. Given how long you have been on this forum I'm sure you came across this or similar information at least once before, so I'm surprised you took that position. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 11:37 PM |
| 10 | What do you think about young men feeling abandoned and demonised by left?Yup. Truth is the USA only has a right-leaning centrist party (neoliberal leadership control the Democratic Party) and a far right party as the options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 11:32 PM |
| 14 | What do you think about young men feeling abandoned and demonised by left?If there is a dearth of men in a place diversity calls for men to be brought in. I could agree that this is the Platonic Ideal of DEI, but the lie to that perspective was, and actively is, shown in how DEI is generally applied only narrowly. For example, there are no DEI aid programs being actively applied for getting women into "worse" male dominated roles, like the various kinds of waste worker, nor is there any concerted effort to get more men into teaching roles (the % of male teachers conti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 11:24 PM |
| 5 | Most people don’t want to be around someone with a victim complex,So you agree your viewpoint is wrong then. Not one of those references is "men who hate women". Opposition to feminism only requires disagreeing with the Patriarchal Oppression model of history and viewing the proliferation of that view as harmful to the dating scene, and doesn't require "hating women". Accusing women of being cruelly superficial stems from the misalignment between stated standards and preferences, as well as being a reaction to the standard BP position of only a decade ago that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 06:46 PM |
| 6 | Most people don’t want to be around someone with a victim complex,The prior poster already explained to you that the behavior you object to is only exhibited by 10% of incels. You could say those specific incels are misogynists and be accurate, or say that toxic online incel communities exhibit that belief, but you are wrong to say that incels are "men who hate women". That fundamentally isn't a position that is supported by reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:55 PM |
| 1 | You only smash cuz she pre-approved you.That's the eternal question. It's been found that even on anonymous surveys women are more likely to give an answer that aligns with how they believe they are expected to answer vs what they actually believe the answer to be (social desirability bias). Because this response is so strong that it is measurably exhibited even under anonymous conditions one can reasonably assume that it's even more difficult outside of those conditions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Reddit lacks nuance when it comes to casual sexBut most people have casual sex at least once in their lives. Are you counting this as being in or outside a relationship, even a more casual one? Because the rate for casual + no existing relationship is a good bit lower (10%-30% depending on study) than when that total includes casual + some level of preexisting relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Most people don’t want to be around someone with a victim complex,One of those three is a very reasonable complaint in the current world, one that actually tracks with both observable reality and financial research. The research around the K-shaped economy alone indicates that the system is in a severely degraded state, and that's without mentioning how the median age for a first time home buyer hit 40 a few months back or how wages, both skilled and unskilled, have been stagnating for the last three decades. By all means be annoyed by the talking points that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Reddit lacks nuance when it comes to casual sexI don't think this is necessarily a notable discussion point as that title could easily be shortened to "Reddit lacks nuance" and be right in the majority of circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:03 PM |
| 10 | Most people don’t want to be around someone with a victim complex,Incels mean men who hate women. No, that isn't the definition at all. We already have the word misogynist for that. Taking words that represent a group and altering the meaning of the word over time by using it incorrectly is behavior for controlling the narrative, not pursuing truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 04:58 PM |
| 1 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".I already answered you in this comment. That you are ignoring that comment and answering here shows that you understand the weakness of your argument and are pretending to be ignorant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 04:47 PM |
| 1 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".Most lawmakers and government officials are men. Representative power isn't lost because it is being used on an individuals behalf, no more than the client-lawyer relationship is defined by the lawyer wielding all the power. Women have the full right to vote and are enabled to wield that right in local, state, and federal elections. The vote of an individual woman is worth no more or less than that of an individual man. Most of the country’s wealth is controlled by men. Irrelevant to the questio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 02:59 AM |
| 1 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".This actually exists, it's pornographic animations. And there has been ample opportunity for women to get what they want from that medium, yet content along the lines of what u/PuzzleheadedRow9896 mentions remains in the distinct minority , just as is the case with regular porn (although not as small of a minority). However, there isn't any mechanism for "suppression" of women's preferences focused porn existing in this area, as the creators are all independent animators or small studios that pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 11:27 PM |
| 1 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".The word patriarchy describes a social system in which positions of authority are primarily held by men. No, the definition is: a social system where men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege, and control of property. As you can easily determine from that complete definition, no, we don't live in a patriarchy, and have not done so for many decades. Further, all of this comes from the assumption of the patriarchal oppression model o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 11:15 PM |
| 1 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".You must be poorly read on feminist theory if you think none have rejected or extensively critiqued the fundamental theory behind patriarchy. Those that have done so, even if they did so effectively and convincingly with regard to the facts, were ejected from feminist spaces, be they academic or otherwise. Feminism has long moved past the stage of being a serious intellectual movement and into the realm of polarizing political ideology. That a portion of individuals still cling to and claim thos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 11:10 PM |
| 2 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".Just because the sexes are different doesnt mean one is better than the other. Where does OP argue for that perspective in this post? Because it seems like you are just making up a straw man and then defeating it when OP is talking about patterns of behavior arising organically from male and female preferences. If you want to defeat their argument you need to point to a specific way in which those behaviors aren't explained by preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 10:58 PM |
| 4 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".Feminism is literally just the belief in equal rights for women. That's the definition in the authoritative American English dictionary. Bad faith argument. Proof: Here's the definition of conservatism from the Merriam Webster's dictionary: Inclination to preserve what is established : belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society So you see, there is nothing wrong with conservatism. Why then do so many people unfairly paint is as representing other things?… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 10:51 PM |
| 3 | "The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging".This is false and you know it. All permutations of feminism, with only the recent exceptions of some subgroups in choice and pop feminism, believe in the patriarchal oppression model of history. You failed to mention that in your definition, in spite of that being a very important part of what they believe. I doubt that you are actually ignorant, so the only other conclusion is that you are actively lying to present the most positive image possible. In reality, that model leads to exactly the at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 10:44 PM |
| 2 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?Wrong, and I know you know that position is wrong. There have been many good arguments here and elsewhere for why the BP has fundamental flaws and actively gives men bad dating advice. That doesn't mean the RP is 100% right, or even 50%, but it's willing to consider perspectives that aren't acknowledged by the BP. Ex: the idea of women being heavily influenced by initial attraction for relationship initiation and not moral character, even to the point of actively ignoring painfully obvious red f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 10:33 PM |
| 0 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?You don't think it's more impressive getting multiple woman to agree to want to have you kids vs just one? If most of those women have 1-off kids but the total number of children exceeds the normal of 1-2 then it sounds more likely that they got pregnant but didn't realize until it was fairly along in development and decided to keep the child, something that a portion of women will do for moral reasons. A study would need to determine that the children were willfully conceived instead of the res… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 10:23 PM |
| 0 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?You guys literally tell us that personality means nothing and women only care about looks and status. Please read more carefully, I am a purple pill. I don't agree with either the red or blue pill, yet your "you guys" language suggests you think I am not just a red pill but one of the most close-minded RP individuals. I have literally argued against that perspective many times, including elsewhere in this very thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?We're talking 20-30% more kids than the average non-offender That is a total statement, it doesn't specify that it is per partner. If these offenders has 20-30% more children per partner and were confirmed to consistently have 2+ partners (when the average is 1), then what you should say is that the average offender has 100-200% more children than average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 07:53 PM |
| 0 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?Sexual partner and reproductive rates of convicted criminals, especially violent repeat offenders, far exceed that of the average male whose never been convicted of anything. We're talking 20-30% more kids than the average non-offender. I see this quoted a lot but it's not a very convincing point. The average non-offender is essentially the baseline reproduction rate in the US, which is 1-2 kids. A 20-30% increase just means increasing that range to 1-3 kids. However, severe poverty has a high c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 06:12 PM |
| 5 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?If a woman married her ideal, things tend to go pretty swimmingly. My sister married a hot, rich asshole. He belittled her until she divorced him and took half his money. You are getting downvoted because your comparison is nonsense. No woman wants "belittling asshole" as a partner variable, so you aren't actually arguing against the prior poster. Then you follow it up with "smart and funny guy", both desirable traits. It sounds like your husband matched a lot of your ideals, which again matches… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 06:04 PM |
| 1 | A vast chunk of pro-women takes on Reddit are actually just benevolent sexism.I would argue the ratio is actually much higher if you include female comparative male-negative statements. Since it looks like you've thought about this a fair bit then you are probably already familiar with the dual mirroring of female hypo-agency (lack of agency over life outcomes) and male hyper-agency (near-total agency over life outcomes), and how both of them inherently lead into each other. Personally, I don't think we will meaningfully address the "Benevolent Sexism" issue until society… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 05:38 PM |
| 3 | A vast chunk of pro-women takes on Reddit are actually just benevolent sexism.You are on the money here. There is substantial research proof that sexist bias amongst grade school teachers is a driver behind 15-20% of the grade point shortfall of boys vs girls during early education. In spite of this proof, educational systems have been highly resistant to implementing better practices due to that very same sexism, as many teachers view boys as deserving of their "troublemaker" status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 05:33 PM |
| 12 | Why is it so hard to believe some people who genuinely value depth, loyalty, etc?This is a common mistake that women make due to the fundamental difference in where the "hard part" of dating occurs for men vs women. For women it's identifying men with desirable traits from amongst the men they are interested in as options, for men it's simply getting into the "as options" group in the first place. The reason the red pill focuses so much on those variables, and rejects things like "morals, beliefs, ethics, etc", is because in reality most guys are actually fine on those. For … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 06:22 AM |
| 12 | Women find good men sexually appealingYour point is technically true but under the enormous caveat of "over an extended period of casual social interaction", something that is extremely rare in the present day. If you dig into prior decades, particularly when looking 2+ decades ago, you overwhelmingly find that people met their spouses "through their friends" or "through their job / at work" or "through a hobby". I'm talking all of those together equaling more than 80% of reported relationships, decade after decade. It's only after … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/26 05:06 AM |
| 3 | The media narrative about AI girlfriends and AI boyfriends is oppositeLooks like it's my turn to pass the info along from the last time this premise was tested here. There were a number of reasonable options (based on available information and of comparable attractiveness) that were almost immediately available to check out. Choice paralysis leading to unreasonable standards appears to be the primary issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 04:51 AM |
| 3 | Misandry is more prevalent than misogynyThe actual stats show that women rape and kill at proportionate rates to men. ~2/5 of total intimate partner murders are by women and ~3/5 are by men. Even the CDC reports that: National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) (2010) Numbers estimated to total population based on findings for a 1 year period of risk: Women raped by men: 1,270,000 (page 18) Men “made to penetrate women”: 1,267,000 (page 19) When it comes to violence women are very comparable to men. The difference tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 09:34 PM |
| 1 | There will never be a solution to mens issues because 🔵BP society effectively sees intersexual dynamics as a zero sum game (where accommodating one side means taking away from the other)Democrat doesn't = blue pill, and Republican doesn't = red pill. Politics is a complicated space, one where many different things, like the economy, weight heavily on the outcomes. That a sexist man is in charge doesn't prove anything about RP vs BP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 09:07 PM |
| 0 | Men will never go back to what they used to be for good reasonThat's definitely not reflective of historic or present realities. If something is negatively effecting women then, on the societal level (the same level where voting matters), it tends to be addressed. Meanwhile issues that have been well known for decades that primarily effect men, like homelessness (75% men) or consistent academic underperformance in their K-12 schooling, primarily just gets blamed on men/boys and ignored. This pattern has been studied, and it was found that men have a slight… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 08:42 PM |
| 1 | What's Worse About Misandry?I couldn't find the exact passage either, they are most likely using the "quotes" to paraphrase something they heard previously, and not to indicate exact wording. From my own digging it seems more like the language itself was gendered instead of neutral, and thus wrote men out by extension of the precise wording not applying to them. This does appear to have resulted in an extended period where dramatically fewer resources were available to help victimized men, and while the situation has actua… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/26 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Is the men's health space, really 'fragmenting'?Leftists will do anything accept admit they need to revise their ways of viewing the world This is true of the Liberal+Neoliberal establishment and the media they have influence over, but I'm less convinced that it's broadly true given how controlled the narrative is. These are the same entities that insist on do-nothing "incremental change", and if anything feminism is aligned with that position as it serves to justify their lack of action far more often than it drives proactive engagement with… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/26 07:41 PM |
| 1 | The most annoying thing about the male loneliness epidemic conversations, is the fact that the Left or feminists usually hate the alternative (that doesn't involve women) to the male loneliness epidemic.I understand the worry but it doesn't apply to content algorithms because such an algorithm is "blind" to the actual content being pushed. Currently they have optimized the algorithm to push content that gets high "engagement" instead of any positive/proactive support from users (aka, it prioritizes am aggregate score that increases based on total votes (upvotes + downvotes), time spend on page/thread, ratio between viewers and reply frequency, etc). To put it in reddit terms, much of media func… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/26 07:06 PM |
| 6 | Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men.I’m saying your comparison is flawed because women discussing caution around men they interact with constantly is not equivalent to racial prejudice. It's exactly the same, you just aren't willing to recognize it. Would people from a genetic background from which they would objectively be physically weaker on average purely due to their height, like asians, be justified in holding such a perspective? Just like women vs men, they can objectively make the claim that there is an unfair physical dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men.He answered your prior arguments point by point and you failed to respond either to their words or with anywhere close to that level of effort. He did the right thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 08:56 PM |
| 2 | Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men.And lots of men are starting to express behaviors that are making women and others concerned. This is false. Actual studies consistently find the majority of men not exhibiting such behaviors, frequently by an overwhelming proportion vs what was expected. Here's a counter example to the usual fear mongering argument that young men are "becoming more right wing": According to CIRCLE estimates, also based on exit polls conducted by SSRS and Census population data, 28% of young eligible voters cast… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 08:52 PM |
| 3 | Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men.No, women don't/won't admit to the part where their fear isn't rational. If they did then this whole discussion wouldn't exist and society would try to help women to overcome their irrational fears when they crop up, instead of seeking to validate and reinforce them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 08:48 PM |
| 8 | Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men.in order to feel strong You are being willfully ignorant. The other user is talking about taking credit as a result of having to take blame. That, as a logical extension of the premise that "men bear a portion of the guilt of bad men", then to be fair and just you must also concede that they "bear a portion of the honor of men who have done right". Pretending that they are actually talking about "feeling strong" is ignoring their words. This is about fair application of standards vs hypocritical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 08:40 PM |
| – | Men who complain about “skill issue” aren’t actually developing skill.Yeah, I took the academic path and looking back even the material I think was worthwhile wasn't taught in a manner that encouraged long-term retention. I know during my last year of schooling pre-highschool the history class focused almost exclusively on the Byzantine Empire. I can think of nothing I know/remember about it. If we assume that school isn't teaching knowledge but "the ability to learn"(arguably a more important skill set) then it still fails by making most learning occur through pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 05:03 PM |
| 2 | I think men are gonna have more standards placed in them as time goes on and it will just break them and most people don't notice it.Thanks for posting that, I had no idea such an incredible post existed. I'm gonna need to take up the tradition of linking to that in the face of disingenuous arguments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 04:51 PM |
| – | Men who complain about “skill issue” aren’t actually developing skill.And the ultimate catch-22 is, the worse you are, the fewer opportunities you’ll get to practice with others. Also, the period where you have the best opportunity to do this, the school years (aka the period where we basically force children and young people to be around each other, allowing unskilled individuals a sheer volume of practicing opportunities they won't have access to later), is also the time when we put the most pressure on them to spend their time prioritizing things that have litt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/26 10:37 PM |
| – | Men who complain about “skill issue” aren’t actually developing skill.People have greater expectations based on what is normal for an adult, and are also less likely to give as much grace when mistakes are made. Ultimately, it's the second half of that statement. There have been many times where the average expectation of X skill has been increased within society, the difference is that it was also normalized for people to both fail at that skill and for failure to be met with direction about what was done wrong and how to avoid making that mistake in the future. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/26 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Red pill isn't as manipulative as I thoughtYou are right that part of the analysis is wrong, but you are pointing to the wrong part of the argument, the revealing portion is the male choice distribution and that the ratio primarily about app dating. The point of 80/20 is that the weighting is heavily biased towards "ideal" forms of certain general traits, which is accurate. It's not a perfect 80/20 but other analysis since then, like the Swipestats dataset, shows that there is a heavy bias for specific sub-populations (control-f search f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 07:40 PM |
| – | Women, that defend feminists as not hateful/misandrist/biassed, have you asked them any questions on reddit?Note:Not a rant, just wanted to answer your comment on movements with my own knowledge and it got long. It's more of a splintering. Generally speaking, the uncompromising truth of reality is a harsh but discerning gardener, and so the theories and beliefs that stray from it might briefly grow but are ultimately doomed to be uprooted and cast aside by life's trials and tribulations. This is generally because their dogma, being not fully true, eventually comes to a set of conditions it isn't prepa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 05:34 AM |
| – | Women, that defend feminists as not hateful/misandrist/biassed, have you asked them any questions on reddit?Just like conservatism and the extreme right, that faction has been growing and growing with every passing year as a % of feminism overall. I know you have seen it as well, and it's going to end the same way for the same reason the right has fallen. No one is willing to push back against them so year-on-year and generation to generation the extreme voices garner the greater and more active following. It wasn't this bad 30 years ago, or even 10, and it's going to keep getting worse. I can agree t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 04:08 AM |
| – | Women, that defend feminists as not hateful/misandrist/biassed, have you asked them any questions on reddit?Due to how factional/splintered feminism is that isn't necessary, the point to be proven is that it represents a significant faction within the whole of feminism. Just like not all conservatives are racist bigots but there is enough racist activity from within their major groups that you can correctly say that the majority of conservatives are tolerant to racism and that a major portion of them are outright racists. As for a sufficiently large number, here is a post from only 10 months ago: http… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 03:48 AM |
| – | Women, that defend feminists as not hateful/misandrist/biassed, have you asked them any questions on reddit?Because online spaces dedicated to a specific group tend to be dominated by that group. I could go to the Magic The Gathering reddit and trust that a question I ask would be primarily answered by MTG fans, and that the primary group upvoting/downvoting replies would be the same. The same would be true if I went to political Reddits. Both types of reddit would actually be better than the average non-redditor IRL person that identifies as a member of that group, as Redditors tend to draw from the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 01:49 AM |
| – | Women, that defend feminists as not hateful/misandrist/biassed, have you asked them any questions on reddit?Because online spaces dedicated to a specific group tend to be dominated by that group. I could go to the Magic The Gathering reddit and trust that a question I ask would be primarily answered by MTG fans, and that the primary group upvoting/downvoting replies would be the same. The same would be true if I went to political Reddits. Both types of reddit would actually be better than the average non-redditor IRL person that identifies as a member of that group, as Redditors tend to draw from the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 01:43 AM |
| 3 | TikTok Has Become Gender War Slop.ETA this is not surprising if the app engagement is kind of dying which I think it is. You're more right than you think, there's decent indicators that social media engagement is falling off. Hopefully this is the start of a trend that sticks around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolMost men have no issues doing this. I and the few other young men I have spoken with on this question represent a small enough data set that I can't assume it to be in any way representative, but the answer appears to be "yes, they do have issues". I received no advice from men in my immediate or extended family, at all, beyond "You should date, you need to get that experience.". Plenty of pressure was placed on me but exactly 0 material advice, of any kind, was ever offered. I likely won't end … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:56 PM |
| 9 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolHers is about personal safety. That's a thought terminating counter. It's designed to shut down discussion, not engage in good faith. We are all part of society and owe each other a certain standard of interaction, however in this area only men are being held to a standard. There is no societal unity of shaming for when a woman responds badly to a non-bad approach or records something this personal and posts it online for the purpose of derision. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:17 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThe issue is that public discourse is important as it frequently leads to policy decisions down the road. In that way it's very important to push back against bad actors when you come across them, else you leave them to proselytize their views and build a base of support unopposed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:00 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThe title is: Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating pool Given the context it's pretty clear that "best" refers to men with the characteristics women say they want, like ability to read emotional states and social cues. Specifically, it's this bit: they have been told over and over that approaching women in any situation makes women feel uncomfortable If they have been told that, and also are capable of picking up when talking to someone they don't know well that the ot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolYeah, as long as they are embedded in academia there will never be a good faith effort to determine and vet this kind of information, and given that these skills are necessary, not optional, someone is going to have to actually try and teach it. I personally don't want it to be the manosphere, as there are too many grifters in there to believe it would be taught in good faith, but the total intolerance for alternative sources is unfortunately forcing things in that direction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:22 PM |
| 4 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolIt is not the responsibility of "society" because that's just weird, and most parents don't want strangers talking to their teenage boys about topics related to sexuality unless the curriculum is vetted. I mean, obviously it would be vetted? I can't imagine a world where it wouldn't be. And any skillset that is important to society functioning is one that should be taught. The idea that it's "the duty of fathers, older brothers, older male cousins, etc" assumes that those individuals have anythi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThat really depends on the moral motive force. If it comes from a value system of some kind, as opposed to a desire to belong or be viewed positively, it's possible to bring down the "caring about what others think" factor quite a bit and still not degrade moral conduct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:02 PM |
| 6 | What’s behind a ‘boy crisis’ in Canadian schoolsNot everyone thinks through the implications of their ideas Yeah, this is a non-trivial driver behind a number of social issues. The easiest example to point to is the increasing atomization/isolation of society. Its always been a little awkward/uncomfortable to talk to someone you don't already know, but an unwillingness to experience that discomfort has driven a lot of people to state such behavior is unwelcome and push that message in social media. They don't think of the serious downsides th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/26 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women Often Fear Opposite Forms of RejectionDamn, these were fire. You've really put in the time thinking about this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 04:11 AM |
| 2 | If you haven’t dated in the last 10-15 yrs you shouldn’t be giving dating advicemake some money, get your own place So... about these two. I have some bad news. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 03:46 AM |
| 1 | If you haven’t dated in the last 10-15 yrs you shouldn’t be giving dating adviceWhat you are missing is how smartphones killed passive socialization. There used to be a lot of accidental socialization just due to people going "Lets go to X at time Y" only for half or less of the group to arrive. Then, instead of heading home, people would still hang out (because they already budgeted their day to include this), only now there was a higher chance of interacting with randoms. Socialization is also momentum based. Once people stop showing up in moderate-to-high numbers as soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 03:28 AM |
| 4 | Why can't men be marketed to women as sexual objects / receivers of desire?While not strictly wrong, it's very true that the pursued character is VERY female coded in most content. Everything from the commonness of height difference, with the taller male being the pursuer, to the frequency by which the shorter male is rendered with distinctly feminine characteristics, mannerisms, reactions, worries, etc. Try finding series where the short guy is a muscular shortstack of a man, for example. There is surprisingly little body-shape variance amongst these short characters,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 03:18 AM |
| 1 | Why can't men be marketed to women as sexual objects / receivers of desire?The OP is joking about the prior poster putting forward the theory in a different comment that most women are secretly gay and that preference is driving the spike in males having a hard time getting partners. Their (GyrosEnjoyer's) prior comment leads to that same point, that's why they labeled heterosexuality as "role-play". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Why can't men be marketed to women as sexual objects / receivers of desire?In the case of homosexuality the fact that they are/were clearly at odds with broader society helped them to adapt to telling societal standards to go fuck themselves from a much earlier point. In the case of straight individuals, it's likely quite late in development (relatively speaking) where they start seriously questioning whether the script they have been sold is faulty. This makes the internalized values a lot harder to act against. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 03:00 AM |
| 0 | Why can't men be marketed to women as sexual objects / receivers of desire?You will, technically, but be warned. That field has an overwhelmingly high % of women relative to men. Wherever you are currently learning is going to be your best opportunity to come across a large cross-section of men (assuming you are straight). Once you enter your field pickings will be few and heavily contested. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:56 AM |
| 3 | Why can't men be marketed to women as sexual objects / receivers of desire?Seems like fancy men got associated with tyrants/royalists, and after a long enough break in fashion patterns men attempting to re-adopt more exuberant outfits likely got labeled as feminine, disincentivizing the behavior. Although, going off what the prior poster was saying, it's possible that both styles were entirely set by male hierarchies, with young men being "bound" to follow the styles of men who were more established (be it fancy or plain). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Why can't men be marketed to women as sexual objects / receivers of desire?Specific men. I seriously doubt that was the only response, and it's very obvious this subreddit has a subpopulation of particularly resentful men. Acting like they are in any way representative of men broadly is extremely disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themIt’s a valid question but for many specific issues I’d argue yes. I think less men going to college though for example is an individual basis of men being dumb or getting bad advice. This is the kind of thing that undermines the entire premise. Every single other time a subpopulation of humanity was doing worse than another, the first thing we examine is whether or not a systemic biasing force is acting on them. And every other time, we have succeeded in finding one or more major drivers that ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:37 AM |
| 1 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themThis would be true if they claimed their goal was only to address women's need, and not fight against sexism as a whole. Those other groups are clear about their goals, and thus aren't judged for what they don't do, because they never claimed otherwise. Because feminism has claimed to be against sexism broadly, to the point that they sought and succeeded in embedding themselves into regulatory bodies in these areas, then yes, they have "purported" to care and are now being judged as liars. That … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themHere's the literal definition of feminism used by the United Nations: that everyone, regardless of gender, should have equal rights and opportunities, serving as a foundational principle for social, economic, and political equality. This, or similar versions, is also the definition that is pushed by many academic feminists, meaning people see it published a lot in newspapers or referenced in online discussions. I agree that the actual definition is what you believe, but you should know that a la… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:21 AM |
| 1 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themAnd they took advantage of the fact that the alternative was so awful to lower their own standards of behavior, because "Hey, at least we are still barely better than them, right?". Turns out that both sides being awful leads to people hunting for alternatives, and thus the rise of the Manosphere as an option that is better than what feminism is offering (or at least claims to be while being a heck of a lot nicer) . | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:18 AM |
| 10 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themThe majority of suicide researchers worldwide are women. That's because the majority of academics are women (women have been earning the majority of masters and PhDs for decades at this point), with the shortfall in men being particularly exaggerated in many areas related to medicine. Regardless, it's clear OP is referring to societal issues, not narrow biological ones. When you get to the level of actual professionals you have better odds of finding people who care, but that doesn't help when w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 02:05 AM |
| 0 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themThe vast majority of women have suffered at the hands of at least one man in their life. False. Even the 1/5 statistic involves lifetime risk of "attempted abuse" as part of the total. Even with the most pessimistic number, one that is wildly inflated, the majority of women are still fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:59 AM |
| – | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themIgnore her, u/TermAggravating8043 regularly argues in bad faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:57 AM |
| – | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themIgnore her, u/TermAggravating8043 regularly argues in bad faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:57 AM |
| 2 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themFeminist policy interests have received governmental support time and time again in part due to men responding at the voting booth and in support for the policies being put forth. When men started pushing for their issues to be addressed, they did not receive reciprocal support from feminism or the organizational structures that they helped to build through their support. This is part of what led to the current hostility towards feminism, as it became clear that we weren't building a mutual aid … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themWhile lower than the prior election, this election was still record setting for voter turnout compared to the last 10 presidential elections. Of course, the reality is that most people were desperate for serious systemic issues to be fixed and voted for "not the status quo", which the Corporate Dem candidate fundamentally represented. Well, that and the postmortem by the Dems says that Gaza was a major issue due to how openly shitty their party was about that, both on Gaza itself and how they tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:49 AM |
| 3 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themA feminist is a person who supports equal rights and fair treatment for women* No. An egalitarian could believe the same and not also be called a feminist. A feminist is an individual that believes in the systemic patriarchal-oppression model of history and the present world, and takes actions / forms beliefs based on that world view. As that view doesn't actually fully align with reality, only accurately modeling very narrow periods of history, this leads to problems. Like their rampant Misandr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themWhile I generally agree, ask-feminists specifically was taken over some time ago by a very ideologically driven lead admin that made that sub into a machine that serves only the purpose of creating justifications for feminist actions. There is no interest there in ideological consistency, only in upvoting the best excuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:44 AM |
| 9 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themThey all agree on the patriarchal oppression model of history, and thus all share a false premise upon which they build their worldview. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:42 AM |
| 9 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themThis is false bullshit that gets posted by men here damn near every day and gets debunked every day. No. Pro-feminist individuals make extremely ignorant arguments here every day and then put their fingers in their ears and shout "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when their arguments are dismantled. You might not like it, but the "feminism" that won the internal power struggle wasn't "academic feminism", it was misandrist grievance-culture feminism. It doesn't matter what those authors said or wrote, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:38 AM |
| 3 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themRight white men are totally discriminated against.. that’s why the white (now orange) pedophile and rapist is president Pretending like enormous personal wealth and connections aren't capable out massively outweighing societal bias is extremely disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:36 AM |
| 14 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themThey do address men's issues specifically, they just also address other people's issues as well. No. For example, 75% of all homeless in the US are men. Efforts to commit even 25% of funding for addressing homelessness to specifically helping men have been rejected by feminists and aligned political figures, yet committed resources to help homeless women, like Female-Only Domestic Violence Shelters, have gotten wide feminist support. They have shown a clear pattern of being unwilling to specific… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:32 AM |
| 3 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themAnd they expect them to do it because it is the right thing to do, not in exchange for some kind of benefit (as it should be with any kind of ally in any other kind of circumstance) And for decades this was sufficient, until it became clear that they wouldn't, in turn, help men "because it is the right thing to do". They got around this by claiming that male issues are invented or the problems of individual men, not systemic, and thus there is nothing for them to do. This betrayal of trust, alon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:28 AM |
| 2 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themPart of fixing this is recognizing that liberals and progressives are different groups. Liberal's won't ever fix their messaging because, as least as they exist in the US, they are right leaning centrists that would rather spend an election courting moderate Republicans than seriously talking about the problems of wage stagnation, fixing the regulatory hole that allow companies to shirk their responsibilities and created the Gig Economy, etc. They aren't messaging issues, they purposefully talk … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:25 AM |
| 2 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themI blame feminists for perpetuating that long after the negative effects became well known. They could claim they couldn't predict the outcome, but that doesn't shield them from their choice to continue after the outcome is known. At this point it's willful and harmful ignorance, and they should be blames just as much as conservatives that continue to stick their head in the sand about climate change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:15 AM |
| 14 | Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing themFeminists vote for and are in favor of policies that would help men in this case. No. This is a good and relatively neutral example from Canada: Lack of services, stigma leave male survivors of intimate partner violence without support, SFU study finds "There is a lack of gender-inclusive public awareness campaigns, training and protocols for front-line professionals—such as police, social workers and doctors—who are often the first point of contact for someone seeking help,” she explains. “Even… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 01:10 AM |
| 3 | I found a new leftist content creator that challenges misandrists and harmful feminist rhetorics.Just tried googling "research study 80% of men" but couldn't find anything published recently. There were a number of articles but they all referenced much older research papers / data (2015 or earlier). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/26 09:15 PM |
| 1 | A case against hypergamyCoupling rates plunged during the Great Recession In this case I guess we should expect them to plunge again over the next two years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 09:33 PM |
| 1 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.That's what progressives are voting for, and thus what I am as well. However, the blue haired woman might be a progressive or a liberal, and establishment aligned feminism (those more concerned with virtual signaling or pushing polarizing legislation vs actual progressive policy that can help people) tend to be connected to that group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 09:12 PM |
| 1 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.while listening to the other about the stuff they hurt from most This is the principle failure point. We had a period of 2-3 consecutive decades where broad society, both men and women, were willing to listen to the problems women were expressing (as championed by feminism) and seriously engage with finding potential solutions. It wasn't 100% of society, but it was enough of a majority that policy and law was impacted. However, when men started expressing "the stuff they hurt from most" they wer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 08:26 PM |
| 1 | Discussion about how left wing policies DO help menPerhaps my personal view, but I don't think this discussion can be had without recognizing the moral/philosophical split between liberals and progressives. Almost all the "Left-wing" factionalism in the USA that's been platformed and pushed in the mainstream has come from liberal political figures and been supported by the liberal establishment. It's no surprise that this is the case as this allows them to try and "trick" voters into supporting them without actually providing anything of materia… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/26 08:04 PM |
| -1 | "Including women and children". BBC, Al Jazerra, Reuters, etc. believe that male lives less valuable.If you look at how men behave: A man will virtually always give his life for a woman he is with -actually, very often even for a woman he doesn't know. Children are second. A father will always give his life for his children too... but here is where it starts to break down. A daughter -always. A son? Maybe. Likely. But also depends on the situation. And someone else's children? Some men will do that as well, but not always. And himself: he'll save himself if everyone else is taken care of. But t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/26 02:06 AM |
| 4 | Why men don't go to therapyYeah, at that point you probably want to swap to some kind of life-coach, be that a therapist specialized in that area or a non-therapist individual explicitly working in that capacity. It sounds like having someone committed to the task of helping you to identify and learn social skills outside of your current kit, and/or identifying achievable short-to-mid term goals that could bolster how you are perceived by others, would be the most effective now that you've dealt with your other issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/26 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Why men don't go to therapyThis is true, but it is also referring to primarily talk therapy. There exist a portion of therapists that are willing to put in the work to meaningfully engage with these kinds of problems, putting in effort towards building contact networks and reaching out through them to people that might be able to materially help with the common problems men they work with are facing. They are an unfortunately small proportion of therapists, as is always the case with humans that are willing to put in more… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/26 12:59 AM |
| 19 | Why men don't go to therapyIt's also a way to dismiss calls to engage with problems that they personally consider "non-priority" or even "non-existent". If you can reclassify "a systemic problem" as "an individual problem" then you can effectively stifle meaningful discussion of its potential root causes and how they might be addressed to prevent future problems. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/26 12:42 AM |
| 2 | British actress & feminist Jameela Jamil's tirade against boys after the '62 million rape academy' hoax: is it not deplorable misandrist/bigotry to insinuate that literal children are rapists-by-default?I'm not indifferent to women's issues either, although I will admit that I have developed a certain decrease in my compassion for them as time has gone on. This has been my experience as well. As I have researched different issues, I have found too many talking points to not actually line up with the data for my sympathy and support to be unguarded at this point. Clear issues of injustice, like reinstating Roe v. Wade (or supporting the passage of legislation that formalizes it into law and not … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/26 10:58 PM |
| 1 | We can’t moralize women’s selection of men, but we somehow moralize men’s inability to be selected.can non asshole men not do such things currently? Given that you are referencing that discussion, you should also remember the context. The prior poster brought up the phrase with this line: Asshole men flourish here, because P1 is basically hand tailored to their skills. With P1 referring to the approach portion of dating, a space where men that are willing to ignore that they might make a woman uncomfortable in order to pursue a higher total # of approaches (men with low emotional intelligence… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 08:43 PM |
| 10 | We can’t moralize women’s selection of men, but we somehow moralize men’s inability to be selected.This is mostly true, although (as referenced elsewhere in this thread) it's not unusual for news organizations to use language along those lines. However, given where the OP is posting I think the intended audience is the online community overall, and not the general populace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 03:37 PM |
| 11 | We can’t moralize women’s selection of men, but we somehow moralize men’s inability to be selected.This reddit exists outside of normal discussion patterns, and by a lot. Surely you have spent enough time on normal subreddits (like /news, /ask, /showerthoughts, etc) or other common platforms (instagram, facebook, etc) to know that response isn't usual? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 03:16 PM |
| 1 | We can’t moralize women’s selection of men, but we somehow moralize men’s inability to be selected.This is in the context of the individuals making these claims lacking knowledge of most or all of those aspects. suddenly if a man is not chosen, not desired, or not successful enough, people act like it must mean he is lazy, entitled, misogynistic, insecure, or defective in some deeper way. This is an accurate description of how many a man has been treated after expressing a lack of success. OP is making a simple comparison. Either, at a baseline level, both men and women who failed to get rela… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 12:49 AM |
| 1 | We can’t moralize women’s selection of men, but we somehow moralize men’s inability to be selected.And that would be valid advice/feedback, as it actually speaks to methodology. What OP is referring to is where, instead of giving a response along the lines of what you've written, the responses instead pre-suppose that the outcome is the result of some fundamental moral failing of the man in question and make statements based off that. It's sufficiently common that OP felt it a valid premise off of which to make a post, and I would agree. Even when women complain about lack of success, not jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 12:39 AM |
| 1 | We can’t moralize women’s selection of men, but we somehow moralize men’s inability to be selected.You missed putting the ">" on the following "..." quote segments (at least, on my end (old.reddit)). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 12:30 AM |
| 3 | Women have very little to gain from heterosexual sex & relationships and men don't careBut day after day there are men here who... This is an extreme minority population, one that self-selects for individuals with resentments or cynicism. When talking about the overall population you need to reference external sources of information to keep yourself grounded. From an study on romantic motivational forces: In this study, we revealed a structure of romantic motivations. We found that 14 basic romantic motivations form four motivational clusters or higher-order motivations. The first… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 12:20 AM |
| 0 | Women don't owe men kinky sex actsYou have gravely misunderstood which sex is the one most frequently found to desire such things. New study sheds light on women’s attraction to aggression in pornography Here's an entire prior ppd thread on this: Source You could excuse it by saying the fantasy involves confronting their fear over it, but that self-same desire should transmit over to intercourse with a trusted partner as well, as is the case for other fetishes that are believed to have a fear connection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 10:43 PM |
| 3 | How will we convince the next generation to have kids, even though almost none of us want to have any?Yeah, this is part of the female PPD equivalent to the irrational PPD male "all women are cheaters and after your money" pattern of reasoning. Back here in reality most young couples are very realistic about the constraints they are both operating under and are more than willing to split the work load. It may frequently be that the mother does a majority of childcare, but it's not at all normal for the father to not increase their contributions in other areas of household maintenance during this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Do most men here come from married two parent homes?I just did a quick google search and found this: Research indicates that ADHD can make dating more challenging due to symptoms like impulsivity, inattention, and emotional dysregulation, often leading to lower relationship satisfaction. However I couldn't track down a specific study as the source for this perspective. When it comes to actual data there is a fair bit that indicates that ADHD individuals have a higher rate of relationship failure but I couldn't find hard numbers about relationship… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Do most men here come from married two parent homes?They are being snippy. To better describe their point: Individuals with ADHD or autism are well established as having a harder time with dating, and both of those groups are heavily over-represented in STEM due to the passive upsides of those conditions. The reason they have a harder time is that no one directly talks about the mechanics of dating, instead assuming that "young men'll figure it out" by using intuition and failing a lot. Unfortunately, these young men dislike acting without knowle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Do most men here come from married two parent homes?The other responder is technically correct, the title "Do most men here come from married two parent homes?" may dissuade some men for whom this is a painful subject from selecting this thread. A more neutral opening question, like "Does single vs dual parenting impact the dating expectations of children?", would improve your odds of getting a full range of respondents. You could then specify married vs unmarried as a further division of dual-parents in the body of your post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 09:36 PM |
| 5 | Do most men here come from married two parent homes?Yes. Seeing how you clarified what you are looking for in another comment, I'll try to give the info you are looking for: A good part of my frustration is likely due to the misalignment of my own experiences and the (well meaning) advice of my parents and their own descriptions of how they navigated their youth. Such information was passed on under the assumption that it would be useful, and I further sought to invest my personal efforts as they and other mentor figures recommended, prioritizing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 09:23 PM |
| 8 | American LWMAs, what is your dream SCOTUS precedent?To expand on your point, my hope would be that such a ruling would explicitly reference the ample body of research proving symmetry in partner violence between both sexes. This acknowledgment would have the secondary effect of delegitimizing much of the societal fear-mongering around the relational danger men pose to women, a premise that is used to justify a great deal of bigotry. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/26 07:10 PM |
| 9 | Organized Dogmatism Controls the Message about Gender Bias in the AcademyThanks for posting, this is the high-quality information I come here for. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/26 06:36 PM |
| 1 | The manospheres biggest lieI agree, I work with 20 year olds and they're freaking miserable because of how dating/relationships have changed. For all our glamorous talk about empathy and social intelligence today, social connections seem weaker than ever. Especially among young adults. Yeah, this is a split between resource constraints harming the independence and self worth of young people, deteriorating worker conditions leading to them having poor outlooks on their futures, and modern entertainment removing the boredom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Why is SA and rape not so traumatizing for men as it is women?That's still an abstracted fear though. The man might worry about things like the potential financial damage afterwards, but I don't think it's going to be anywhere near the forefront of his mind in the moment, at least not on average. Outside of subsets of internet discussion there's not any indicator that that's a fear men regularly think about. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/26 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Why is SA and rape not so traumatizing for men as it is women?Trauma isn't something that can occur only through external reality, it's an interaction between the external and internal. To look at the point from a different angle, this is ultimately the same question as "Does torture traumatize everyone equally, and if not, why?" and then looking at whether certain groups or more or less traumatized by torture. A simple potential answer is that men are considered active agents, even by themselves, and so suffering doesn't hurt as bad if you can mentally fr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/26 09:39 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be approaching women.Most of them came from social network connections. Apps are approaching, but the majority still come from those sources. The "over 50% of relationships start online" stat includes hobby and social spaces. Apps currently make up between 30-40% of relationship starts, so a lot but not yet the majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:59 PM |
| 4 | Men should not be approaching women.This is partly because our culture doesn't treat failure in this area as an extension of your moral character. The prior poster mentioned applying for a loan, but this is closer to applying to a university for a masters or PhD. If you get turned down, yes, it could be that you tied with another applicant but just didn't have the background they were looking for, but there is a strong implication that it's because your fundamental quality is lacking. Meanwhile, it's so far outside the usual patte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:51 PM |
| 7 | Why do some feminists, especially on Reddit, so vehemently deny they don't hate men but do nothing to stop and even justify hateful comments of men in their subreddits?Your response expressed implicit doubt in the OP's position. I was confirming that what they see is real and systemic while also pointing out how it only looks as bad as it does due to OP likely only looking at a narrow set of sources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:40 PM |
| 0 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?but that doesn’t actually help OP or people like him OP didn't state that as his current view. This whole post opens with that position being false, and is instead asking that responses not be so harsh and derogatory. I agree with this position. While I rejected it due to my own standards wanting better than "nice" and assuming I in turn needed to offer better, I also experienced a world, growing up, that tried to sell me on a version of that viewpoint. Correction is fine, but the usually kind o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:34 PM |
| 13 | Why do some feminists, especially on Reddit, so vehemently deny they don't hate men but do nothing to stop and even justify hateful comments of men in their subreddits?This is the argument that periodically comes up that women will regularly identify as feminist/pro-feminist, will state that feminists don't hate men, and yet if you look up feminist online spaces they very clearly have a misandrist problem. And I don't mean "they post there but get downvoted" I mean "they post top upvoted comments there". This is mostly a pointless argument, as if you look up how other female-heavy spaces talk about feminism, like /women, one of the most popular responses is so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:15 PM |
| 1 | Why do some feminists, especially on Reddit, so vehemently deny they don't hate men but do nothing to stop and even justify hateful comments of men in their subreddits?You can use this formatting ">Word" (no space, no quotes) to quote other users like this: I don’t think you see this pattern at all 🤷🏽♀️ can you show an example of a feminist (not a woman) saying that she doesn’t hate men AND “kill them all” ? Also, upvotes don’t mean much. And you are being disingenuous. I imagine they are referring to the askfeminists or feminism subreddits, forums that specifically attract users identifying as feminist. Being a feminist is implied, and any time a question is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:06 PM |
| 0 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?You mistake "arguing in favor of a view" with "explaining how some individuals can arrive at that view without any maliciousness". OP is doing the second. OP is then asking that people not respond unkindly given that not all such individuals are being disingenuous, but instead made an honest (if foolish) mistake. That you doubled down on that position strongly suggests you didn't read OP's post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?Yeah, I didn't actually believe my argument to be the reality of the situation, as such bitter individuals don't represent all women respondents. The post was mostly pointing out how the prior users argument lead to a conclusion they likely didn't support. The last line is because I sought to punish their casual cruelty by showing how acting in such a way can harm your primary argument or put you in a poor position for actually responding to critique. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 07:27 PM |
| 10 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedActually, even when accounting for net damage men and women are close to 1:1, and we have know this for quite some time: Thirty Years of Denying the Evidence on Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence: Implications for Prevention and Treatment In a few years we could change this paper's title to "50 years". Edit: Here's a more recent study from 2020. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:55 PM |
| 12 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedNo, men are arrested and the system is biased towards arresting men regardless of fault in much of the west. When going by anonymous survey data women consistently report committing equal violence. This has been proven so often and for so long that this paper exists and is 15 years old now: Thirty Years of Denying the Evidence on Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence: Implications for Prevention and Treatment There is also a research reference database of over 300 different statistical studies tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?No, I was politely calling you an immoral hack of a human being, a person whose intellectual reasoning cannot grasp even the oldest and easiest injustice in the book to understand. This is a debate forum, claiming a point you cannot defend is that same as advertising your lack of capacity. But apparently that flew over your head (ultimately that part is on me, I just assumed my implied insult wasn't actually fully true). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:46 PM |
| 2 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?No, you tried to dismiss it with "women have it worse". This whole post is ultimately a call for empathy in response to "nice guys", even if you disagree. Instead you would rather put their misunderstanding in a category the means "doesn't require a change in my behavior" and continue as you were before. It's lazy and revealing of a heart lacking in empathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:41 PM |
| 1 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?Men resort to red pill because it externalizes the blame for their dating failures to women and makes them feel better about themselves. Wow, I can't believe you would out yourself as not even looking into the Red Pill and what it says in an open debate forum. How shameful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:35 PM |
| 3 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?You didn't engage with OP's argument. They are explaining why a portion of men take up that belief and asking women to stop acting like it makes no sense when it's easily observable how society, including the responses of women themselves (let's not forget "the bar is in hell" and it's various permutations or "misogynistic men are ruining dating"), pushes that viewpoint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?You must be unaware of how many women complain about "all those awful misogynistic men that are ruining the dating market". I mean, since you are here on this forum that seems extremely unlikely, but apparently that must be the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:26 PM |
| 4 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?society (ie men) Shifting blame by pretending society is fully controlled by men is an immature response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ?Well most men and women are already “nice” - it’s such a low bar. Yes, but this just causes that standard to get reinforced and validated by "the bar is in hell" and similar language. The conversation gets muddied when multiple avenues of language are stating that the standard is low due to "all those awful misogynistic men". Using that kind of language inherently lowers the bar every time it gets used in a context where a portion of viewers believe the respondent is being at least partially ser… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:17 PM |
| 6 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?Presumption is guilt without any evidence is one of the oldest and most fundamental of injustices to exist. It is well known in its immorality. Arguing in favor of it... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 09:47 PM |
| 6 | Why do Men degrade and insult Women who have sex with them?A shame this isn't at the top, this is the only one of the top explanations that touches on how men will talk very differently about sex depending on their connection to the woman in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 09:43 PM |
| 3 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?Ofc it doesn’t because he’s purposefully ignoring that all these posts are written through a lens of entitlement. Ah, so you ARE making up villainous characteristics without proof! Well, that explains it then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 09:31 PM |
| 0 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?If you believe the words of those men are wrong, then so are the actions of women in this example. Unless you are a hypocrite? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 09:28 PM |
| 2 | It's a waste of time for men to support feminism/female causesYou also brought up that you doubt the "made to penetrate" stats would be meaningfully different with completed/attempted separated. I most certainly did no such thing! My statements: "I am doubtful this reduces the "made to penetrate" statistic as much as you suspect", "but it would be by far less than the ratio between assault and attempted assault for women". I agree that it would be meaningfully different, however I believe that men would report higher FtP vs attempts as opposed to women, wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 09:21 PM |
| 0 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?If that's all they were saying, then it would be criticizable for women for presuming these men were bad people or that they are saying they think women are obligated to date men. Yes, this is exactly what happens. Not just here, but in other spaces as well. Next time you come across such a post in another space, take a moment to check, and you will consistently find at least one individuals making some very unkind assumptions about that male in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 07:19 PM |
| 5 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?is this what women are making that response to tho? That is the premise of this post, yes. And yes, they are, as I have seen this response on many a post/comment that had no "relentless hatred and criticism of women" within its structure. If that really is the reason, then the driver behind this is that women can't separate arguing with a specific individual from other people that made similar arguments while also being misogynistic. A bad look for women, although the casual cruelty in your resp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 07:15 PM |
| 5 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?That isn't OP's premise. He clearly said: Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that a man venting about loneliness, rejection, lack of dating success, or frustration with modern dating must believe he is owed sex or a relationship? Which doesn't include men being entitled in the wording of their post. Unless you are saying that women are automatically making assumptions about the man actually being entitled, regardless of what was written not including that information? I su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 07:12 PM |
| 11 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?You didn't answer the question. "Dislike of whining" doesn't make sense as an explanation for why women repeatedly state versions of the claim that "You just think you are entitled to a relationship.", that claim is too specific and attacks his moral character in a way unrelated to the content of his words. Unless you are saying that women actually default to attacking a person's character when they see behavior they don't like, even if the reasoning is bad, rather than denouncing that behavior? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 07:08 PM |
| 1 | It's a waste of time for men to support feminism/female causesIf women pull equal to men via overwhelming presence in high value jobs, such that even after a portion have children (and the other variables previously mentioned) they have equal earnings to men, then that will be a sexist situation where one group is clearly favored by the system over the other. The only way the system is fair is if earnings and job opportunities are equal. If women who are currently working enjoy equal pay to men working equivalent positions, and there is no negative bias in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 06:38 PM |
| 5 | It's a waste of time for men to support feminism/female causesFirstly, the numbers you picked are estimates of the number of victims in the past 12 months, but let's work with that. Just to note here, lifetime number of female rape victims is approximately 4 times higher than men made to penetrate. This is based on reports to a large interview/questionnaire study. The gap in lifetime vs yearly makes no sense without that knowledge. It's been previously discussed, but one likely reason for lifetime reporting to be off is due to many men not considering bein… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:11 PM |
| 3 | It's a waste of time for men to support feminism/female causesDisproved as-in "the wage gap is caused by discrimination" is a false statement. If it’s due to men and women making choices about their lives without external coercion, and not due to unequal opportunities or unequal wages, then it's not actually a problem. Women that don't make those choices earn at rates 1:1 with men, meaning they are getting what they want from the situation, and women that earn less made the choice to earn leas because they prioritized something else. It's about as fair a s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 04:21 PM |
| 7 | It's a waste of time for men to support feminism/female causesYou may be surprised that the actual data disagrees with 3/4 of that list. ... Wage Gap: In 2023 when Claudia Goldin won the 2023 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences for showing that the gap that does exist (much smaller than the ~20% often cited) was due to pay structures that reward "long unpredictable hours" and a tendency for women to pivot towards fewer hours/week after having children. The gap has been disproved many times before this point, but never so officially as then. ... Domestic Viole… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:26 AM |
| 4 | Men "lying to get sex" is a manipulative blanket narrative.No, he's right. When it comes to the issues of "not enough men have emotional intelligence" or "men are lacking control of anger" or "too man msyoginist men are in the dating market" there is no consideration of what the driver is behind this behaviors, only the message: Sounds like that's their problem to fix, not women's. That u/growframe is doing is mirroring that back in this example, and as you can tell that doesn't feel good. Particularly if some of the drivers behind that behavior are due… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/26 08:20 PM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Ah, I see. You don't have anything to add beyond making vague statements that pretend at wisdom. This is a debate forum. If you can't be bothered to string together a few sentences worth of contribution then either post under the automodrator meme section or don't post all all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 07:44 AM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.It's a matter of social network. Men overwhelmingly have smaller networks on average, and it's also much harder for men to break into existing networks where they don't already know someone, leading so a higher rate of isolation and a strong pattern of placing heavy value on a few key relationships in their lives. For example, men will frequently have a much smaller group of secondary friends / acquaintances but have 1-2 very strong close/best friends. This same tendency leads towards men wantin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:57 AM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Don't do this. Part of being polite to other users is making your posts easy to read and taking the time to concentrate your thoughts down to the most important portions of what is currently being discussed. This is so meandering that I assume you are likely high on a an upper stimulant. Please remember not to post while on stimulants, your brain starts sparking connections that are only weakly connected in truth and treating them like the entire web makes sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:49 AM |
| 2 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.never asserted ‘only men’ And yet, men are the ones crying non stop about being lonely... Liar. "X are the ones" is literally a statement that the X in question are performing a specific action, as opposed to another group that isn't. Like saying "Conservatives oppose government aid and yet red states are the ones that take most of government's aid money." (it simultaneously designates blue states as taking less). You are literally pointing to men being the only/primary ones to be complaining of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:45 AM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.I did and it was still a true and valid statement, even after considering the implications around it. If you have a point you should spend the seconds necessary to type it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:38 AM |
| 8 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Whereas men are basically just attracted to the same thing all the time. Men just want a woman who is physically attractive and nice to them (I'm generalizing, of course). That doesn't change much whether they're rich or poor, or no matter what the culture tells them. The two modifiers on this are "similar intelligence" and "broadly similar values". Relationships with too large of an intelligence gap one way or the other can have issues unless both parties are willing to accept the challenges th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:36 AM |
| 2 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.I'm not going to do more chores and work that much harder just because he elected to work more hours. I see you aren't assuming shared finances or proportional financial burden relative to each individual's income. That's fair, but you should specify that before assuming that OP is also referring to that situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:23 AM |
| 1 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Demand seems like a weird way to see it. Why? It's just a mirror of the existing expectations (and yes, strong expectations are functionally identical to demands). I think controlling your actions when you feel emotions is important. Hey, great. But OP did say control, not shut down, so the rest of description isn't necessary. I think the chores... Again, OP didn't say anything to suggest this isn't the case. You are aware this is a debate post, not discussion? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Body weight of overweight or above is a comorbidity. If at the upper end of overweight or reaching into obese, it is an outright disease condition, one that comes with dramatically reduced qualify of life and a substantially reduced lifespan. I do not find those qualities attractive, and I question that anyone else would beyond reasons of fetishization (no judging if so, people can't really control that and most people have at least 1, be it major or minor). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 05:14 AM |
| 9 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Yes, her neurosis. It was established more than a decade ago that women are significantly more neurotic than men and all testing since then has confirmed this. This isn't a sexism argument that's just fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 04:56 AM |
| – | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Not the person I was asking, but thanks for the higher quality reply. That doesn't disagree with my point, as what group populations were involved is a very different question than what specific information led to them splitting off into their own group. As the tent got bigger, the "official text" became less important and now RP is more of a vibe. Yeah, funnily enough the same thing that happened to feminism. Now both are vaguely pro-X-gender groups that despise each other but don't hold any co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 04:35 AM |
| 2 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.You are mistaken, both the prior post and the one before that are the user "Gravel_Roads". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/26 04:24 AM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Men do report that as an issue, but it's 35% of men vs 58% of women that point to that as a major issue in the current dating market. Pew Research, the gold standard in population statistics Found This: Title:Nearly Half of U.S. Adults Say Dating Has Gotten Harder for Most People in the Last 10 Years Most daters say their dating lives aren't going well and it's difficult to find people to date (75% say that dating has been particularly hard over the last year) Most women responded that their pri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 09:22 PM |
| 3 | Women aren't attracted to feminist men, they are attracted to hot men!1!An offshoot that was focused around that specific question, yes. Things don't become offshoots for no reason, every time a new entity is made there has to be a reason for why it should be separate from a previous one. PUA was primarily focused on dating techniques and outcomes, the RP came out of PUA because of men seeing the success of those techniques and how they mismatched with the societal narrative about "how dating works". The RP is a series of broad claims about society and those that be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 09:20 PM |
| 0 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.What makes you think I’m upset? Because there needs to be a reason to reject an argument. That generally goes to either rejection due to the reasoning being insufficient or the point being ideologically offensive. If it's the latter, then you are rejecting the argument because it upsets you on some level. Your response: If someone online says “men suck! They should do better!”, it doesn’t mean any man at all has to actually do better. Isn't one that is engaging with my earlier response but one t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 09:14 PM |
| 5 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.but really awful to respond to point-by-point on mobile I totally get that, I enjoy mobile for browsing subreddits but bust out my laptop for most of my posting due to how much easier it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 09:04 PM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Thanks for bearing with me. As one last explanation, here's why OP choosing to target that argument isn't stupid, even if the argument itself is: Pew Research: Public attitudes about today’s dating landscape The number 1 reason cited as "the primary reason" for dating being harder is "More physical and emotional risk" (26% of women). The next highest reason (technology) is a mere 10% by comparison. Because this is looking at only the "primary" it doesn't report how many women think it's #2 or #3… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 08:41 PM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.That's the nature of population statistics, you have to rely on reported values. We already know we can't rely on reports of negative experience because people's memories are heavily biased, so the next best option is to give people a self-report survey and encourage them to be honest + ensure the reports are anonymous. In this area men are actually the better experimental subject, as previous research into the question of answer reliability found that women have a strong bias towards giving the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 06:44 PM |
| -2 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Part of fixing an issue is listening to the problems people claim and trying to find what is causing it. You are just upset that doing so finds that the cause of the problem is primarily women being poorly selective, not with men being of insufficient quality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 06:39 PM |
| 7 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.I think you are overstating by presenting this as a clear and consistent thesis statement on which everyone (the BP, feminism, and women on social media) agrees. It is overwhelmingly the most consistent viewpoint expressed. It might be "social media is damaging young men and making them low quality" or "rightwing politics are damaging and making them low quality" or "porn is reducing the sex drive of young men and decreasing their willingness to refine themselves, making them low quality" but as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 06:30 PM |
| 8 | Women aren't attracted to feminist men, they are attracted to hot men!1!Because I was reading red pill shit before it was even called red pill, and they were pissed to discover that women like hot men too. And now you pretend like the initial RP wasn't a response specifically to the societal view that was pushed that "women are less judgmental/shallow about attractiveness than men and actually care a lot more about the man's character, so if you want to have dating success you need to fix that part of yourself". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 06:10 PM |
| 4 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Then prove that New Zealand has fewer dating issues, otherwise I'm ignoring that point. Meanwhile, 90% is a high enough ration that women should be able to complain about "not enough men" unless they were filtering out a disproportionately high rate of such men while not effectively filtering the negative 10%, which is what this whole problem actually looks like when you stop focusing exclusively on what women are complaining about and start actually looking at the overall dating process. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 06:07 PM |
| 5 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.I suppose I am ignoring that thesis statement because I don't agree with it, or even necessarily agree that it is the primary argument put forward by the BP(?), feminism, or even women on social media. To be entirely frank I'm not sure what "the issues in the dating market" even are in this context. Is it the rise of harmful black pill rhetoric? Is it dating apps and how much most people dislike them? Is it lonely single men? It's how both men and women are unhappy with their options, be that "a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.There is a difference between asking men to strive to do better and claiming that men need to do so because their lack of quality is driving the problems in the dating market. This post is clearly referring to the latter yet you are pretending that it's the former, and I think you know that and are willfully ignoring it because it makes you uncomfortable. Do better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:31 PM |
| 11 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.And yet OP's data shows this viewpoint is bs. Here, I'll even include a bit extra: A study of 15,000 men from January 2026 found low disagreeableness in 90% of the study body, with 7% showing moderate disagreeableness and 3% showing high disagreeableness. Further, the study has this to say about "toxic" men: The two smallest profiles displayed response patterns that appeared more “toxic” than these three other profiles. The largest of these two toxic profiles (7.6%) was moderate on disagreeablen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:27 PM |
| 37 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.You are using a disingenuous rhetorical framing. OP is clearly referring to the common BP/Feminist/Women-Generally talking point of "the issues in the dating market are being driven by the lack of enough quality men for women to date", which he then challenges with specific information. Pretending like this is some kind of broad demand on all men, regardless of what they want, is a straw man argument. The fact that you defeat it is meaningless, because it never existed anywhere but inside your h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:21 PM |
| 7 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.This is a debate post. There is an automoderator post here that says: Attention! You can post off topic/jokes/puns as a comment to this Automoderator message. Please delete this post and copy-paste it as a response to that message. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:18 PM |
| 22 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.You seem to be approaching this from a 'men do not need to improve (as a population) because they are already better than women.' I suppose? You are doing the common thing in these debates of ignoring that the primary argument forwarded by th BP, feminism, and frankly most women on social media, is that "the issues in the dating market are being driven by the lack of enough quality men for women to date". OP is looking at that statement and finding that line of reasoning lacking when you bring r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Putting the here because I can't directly reply to your post with supporting information due to this being a debate: A study of 15,000 men from January 2026 found low disagreeableness in 90% of the study body, with 7% showing moderate disagreeableness and 3% showing high disagreeableness. Further, the study has this to say about "toxic" men: The two smallest profiles displayed response patterns that appeared more “toxic” than these three other profiles. The largest of these two toxic profiles (7… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 05:07 PM |
| 6 | Men do NOT need to “do better”.Thanks for making this post OP. When you actually drill down and look at real data, and not what people merely feel about these things, the reality that a huge amount of pro-female and anti-male sentiment in this discussion is complete BS becomes quickly apparent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Women aren't attracted to feminist men, they are attracted to hot men!1!In order to understand this response you would need to understand what these men are actually responding to. It's clear that you don't, as you haven't actually mentioned how feminists and the BP insist that "the primary issue with the dating market is the lack of good men (men with strong long-term relationship traits) and the issues faces by both men and women would be fixed if men could just stop being horrible misogynists". The whole reaction you are complaining about is in response to this, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:42 PM |
| 7 | Women aren't attracted to feminist men, they are attracted to hot men!1!Nobody is saying looks don't matter. It seems you aren't familiar with the history of the BP. Early on it was explicitly insisted by BP to struggling men that "looks don't matter so long as you aren't outright ugly, you are struggling because who you are as a person is offensive to women". It was only after extensive arguing with RP and research being released that reinforced how women actually behave relative to male attractiveness that the BP conceded the importance of attractiveness. In spite… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:38 PM |
| 6 | Women aren't attracted to feminist men, they are attracted to hot men!1!The point of my whole post is that being a feminist or a blue pilled man isn’t going to make you unattractive to women, just like these red pillers claim. You’re going to attract people as long as you’re attractive. You are ignoring that the RP recommends changes in initial dating behavior alongside basic elements that improve physical attractiveness. The BP and feminists, meanwhile, explicitly insist that women are correct about there not being "enough good men on the dating market" and thus in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:26 PM |
| 2 | Positive masculinity is a scam.I've written about this before, but the tldr is that masculinity is mostly fake and whether it's toxic or not exists entirely on the motive layer, rarely in the direct action itself. Because people online, including women, are bad at that kind of subtle distinction, we end up in a situation where non-inherently toxic traits end up broadly labeled as toxic. ...... This was written in response to this comment originally: It's funny. When you say "red car" people know that you're talking about cars… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:03 PM |
| 2 | Positive masculinity is a scam.The difference is between "try to be some of them" and "expected to be all of them". Women, due to societal female hypo-agency (female infantilization essentially, the attitude that women aren't fully responsible for for their life outcomes, good or bad), are forgiven much more readily for not achieving the whole range of desirable traits, while male hyper-agency (the assumption that men have essentially 100% control over both themselves and their circumstances) means that failure in even a sing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 03:49 PM |
| 6 | Positive masculinity is a scam.To repeat this from a non-BP user, this is true. There are the usual % of feminists in such discussions blaming men for the existence of those negative traits, but there are also a decent number who recognize that a big chunk of them are perpetuated by how women treat each other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Somehow we have to get candid engagement from female thought leaders and influencers into a real investigation of gender in a modern context. That isn't going to happen. We have decades of prior feminism led academia that have actively ignored this and other male effecting issues and villainized MRAs who tried to pick up the slack on issues they abandoned. They may eventually admit to the reality of things, but most of them will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to that conclusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:54 AM |
| 0 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Attracting women is not necessarily the problem. Not being someone who can sustain a long-term relationship with or without sex because you are a stable and safe person is the problem. As I already explained, this isn't the actual problem. It just looks that way because you are only looking at the very last part of the chain, not the whole chain of events. The situation will never improve if you keep focusing on treating symptoms and not the cause. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Low effort reply :( | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?This is why I would recommend formalizing the teaching of basic dating techniques, without stigmatizing it. It's a finite skill set, both sides will enjoy clearer communication and a basic script that is broadly understood, and hopefully it will make it easier for men to connect with women without the traditional filter of "has greater material conditions" as that is obviously a no-go in the current era. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 03:01 AM |
| 3 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?I am much more likely to date a man that I have silently observed in his interactions with other people and stating his beliefs when no one was around that he was trying to impress, even if he did not approach me “perfectly” or showing “confidence” (I actually hate men who approach me super confidently because it looks like an act). You are focusing on being attracted to a man that is already within your social sphere. That isn't the primary layer where society is having problems, that's arguabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 02:00 AM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?That's still the same thing. I was describing kingdom Animalia while excluding ocean creatures that breed via mass cloud releases of sperm and eggs. For other animals, from insects to reptiles to birds to mammals, what I described is the most common mechanism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 01:52 AM |
| 3 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Women wouldn’t even care if it didn’t also come with bitterness, resentment, disrespect, emotional outbursts, anger That's mostly due to this line of research being rejected by broad society, so it was left to people that were rejected and labeled losers to figure it out amongst themselves. Under those conditions any conclusions would obviously end up mixed in with all that stuff. The whole situation could have been avoided if the initial wave of men in the modern era who said "I have a lot of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 01:31 AM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Except OP didn't mention the RP, he mentioned that this analysis was happening at all. It is inevitable that such analysis would lead to someone writing such a book, but the same had been done for humans and our addiction patterns, common logical fallacies in voters, manipulating work social environments to ladder climb, etc. Just like we can't judge our efforts towards treating addiction, refining democracy, or understanding how people work together by such books, we shouldn't dismiss "understa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues?I don't know if it's a queer thing or perspective thing or what. But I don't view rejections in bad light, it just wasn't meant to be, and rejections don't sting. Exceptions exist though ofc. I think it's due to the conditions around it. A straight guy that gets mistakenly hit on by a gay guy will likely not want to draw attention to the interaction for potential shame reasons (and contrary to "common sense" men actually trained to avoid conflict), while women being mistakenly hit on by a lesbia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 01:12 AM |
| 2 | Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues?I've gotten to the point where I was sure that I was flirting with another lesbian, only to find out they were straight and just liked the back and forth we were having. On one hand, damn that's rough, but on the other at least that was positive confirmation that what you were doing was enjoyable for the other party. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 01:04 AM |
| 2 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?but men have been approaching women and forming relationships forever This is only partially true. Yes, they have been approaching forever, but they were overwhelmingly approaching women within the local community in which they had all spend the majority of their lives. The modern dating environment, where most people have next to no "familiarity with"/"ability to find" out core information about the other person and their personal history, is extremely unnatural in a historic context when you a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Uh, outside of the ocean basically all species are sexual, and patterns are all over the place. Strictly speaking, the most common pattern is for the female to become sexually mature and begin emitting some form of chemical signal that attracts the nearest male, who then mates with her. The selection is mostly "whichever males and females survive to adulthood". Males may fight with each other if more than 1 happens to be around at the time, but that isn't the primary filter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 12:45 AM |
| 1 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?I have issues with their anger and rage, with their disgust towards women when they don't even look in the mirror. Are you aware of the origins of the RP? It started because a ton of men noticed that "bad men" were getting a lot of dating attention while men with "desirable" characteristics (stability, emotional maturity, empathy, etc), characteristics that the "common wisdom of society" said women wanted in their partners, weren't being seriously considered as options. When these men pointed th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 12:38 AM |
| 2 | Why aren't more women happy that men are analyzing human attraction and trying to figure out women?Edit:Sorry, this ended up longer than I thought it would be. No ranting here, I promise. ... The issue is that what you are describing is the downstream dating issue suffered by women of too many bad guys being mixed in amongst the potential options you have to consider. The issue that the RP identified was upstream of that, at an earlier stage of dating, because it listened to men (including the kind of safe and stable men you are describing) who complained about not being included in that "pot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/26 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues?Do most of your relationships start at gay bars or equivalent spaces? I ask because one difference between straight and gay dating populations is that gay bars are a lot more explicit about their existence including "meeting people for relationships", while "straight" bars frequently serve as purely platonic socialization locations, meaning there is an added layer of social "breakthrough" that is needed. It's possible part of why your experience has lacked the kinds of problems men describe is t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 10:55 PM |
| 2 | Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues?Main item of interest to me is how you go about making the initial "spark" moment as a woman (or what you have seen other women do when they approach you), as well as your understanding of it. To specify what I'm asking: Generally speaking that is where the major disconnect between men and women is, as for men (particularly those with valuable traits like emotional intelligence) the issue is acting in a manner to get their foot in the door, while for women the issues are primarily located within… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 10:40 PM |
| – | CMV: Traditional "gentleman" gestures are mostly performative and not indicative of authenticityReal masculinity is shown through behavior under pressure and long-term character, not rehearsed social rituals from the 1950s. What you are missing is that, since society has increasingly lost its fundamental community/social-network layer, it also lost most of the actual mechanisms for identifying long-term characteristics (personal experience and reliable community contacts that can pass on the personal experience of others). No one actually believes those behaviors are proofs of authentic "g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 10:08 PM |
| – | women hate “choose better” because they dont like the responsibility of when their choices go bad. And it only applies to them.Source?(ideally a research paper) That kind of systemic teaching pattern should be fairly consistent to find given that examples of it would be all throughout the system, from how mothers raise their daughters to attitudes inside education institutions to moral messaging in media. One thing a system can't do is hide what it's doing, not when it's operating on the scale of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 09:56 PM |
| – | women hate “choose better” because they dont like the responsibility of when their choices go bad. And it only applies to them.Society very readily gives women advice on what to watch out for. In the same way almost no actionable advice is given to men, ample supplies of guidance are offered to women. On top of that, basically every "red flag" is something that could be detected with strong emotional intelligence, something women are (supposed to be) more skilled at. So one side is making errors because no one tells them nothin' (by thin I mean nothing practical, not generic "don't be a creep") and the other looks like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 08:28 PM |
| – | women hate “choose better” because they dont like the responsibility of when their choices go bad. And it only applies to them.I agree but choose better doesn’t mean choose better it means “choose me” 🙄 it also means “women bad”. If you alter people's words to mean something completely different then you will have no end of wretched foes to heroically battle, but the cost of doing so is that you detach yourself from reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 08:22 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.It was a group that was defined by what they were rejecting, of course it would be. Same way a vegan subreddit would be full of people talking about how to cut cheese from their diet or the downsides of meat consumption. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 04:43 PM |
| – | Solve dating problems mainly through culture/society, or mainly through politics/laws ?I think "politics" actually, although that's because I don't know where else "education" would fit on this model. The ideal would be for dating education to be normalized instead of stigmatized, and without toxic feminists being shitty about it and getting in the way. I'm talking basic functional dating advice to men about the importance of the initial "spark" of interest in a relationship and how women want men to act to create such a spark, how to initiate physical contact in a neutral way and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 05:55 AM |
| – | Solve dating problems mainly through culture/society, or mainly through politics/laws ?The largest change, particularly if non-minimal square footage housing is included, is that more young people would host social events. I know this one is real because every other young person I have spoken to has mentioned that they would love to do this if they did, and the few that do have done so. This directly results in an increase in casual social setting interactions and community building, both things whose relative loss vs prior decades has been at the heart of a great many of the issu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 05:35 AM |
| 4 | Where would you lrefer to get to know people?"Meeting through friends" has been this top answer to this question for decades, followed more generally by "meeting through your local community" (meet at college, through work, through hobbies, etc). These answer are also very frustrating, unfortunately, as our society is currently in a period of peak atomization of individuals. There are some tentative signs that we might be beginning to trend back towards healthier norms, but no matter the trend we are stuck in the current reality where buil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 05:27 AM |
| 19 | Redpill is the result negative result of a society not having enough masculine role models.No, RP is a reaction to: an extended period of men having dating trouble for a wide variety of reasons related to society changing in fundamental ways vs prior generations -> asking for help and being given proto-BP advice -> using that advice and failing while visibly watching men acting in opposite ways to that advice succeeding -> Deciding that they were lied to and seeking alternative explanations That last bit is where the RP developed. It only became so bitter and toxic due to the demands … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 05:09 AM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.According to CIRCLE estimates, also based on exit polls conducted by SSRS and Census population data, 28% of young eligible voters cast ballots in the New York City mayoral election. An analysis by researchers at Portland State University found that, in 2013, just 8% of youth ages 18-34 cast ballots for New York mayor, and the average voter turnout for that age group in the 30 largest U.S. cities was 9%. CIRCLE’s own research found that, in the 2015 Boston mayoral race, less than 2% of youth (ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/26 12:39 AM |
| 10 | On incels.An extension of 2 is the limitation of consciously experienced reality vs total reality on how women talk about dating and, by extension, their analysis of its mechanics. The dating advice women give to men ends up overwhelmingly passive, not because of deception, but because that's how they experience dating. The P1 connection "just spontaneously happens" from their perspective, and some of the backlash against "incels" occurred when men began actively discussing dating technique online and thu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/26 12:04 AM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.That is the "official definition", but it's questionable. The same series of wikipedia articles define all of the manosphere with similar language, including MRAs. However, there are many MRA groups and individual activists that don't support misogyny, yet they all get labeled as misogynists due to the criticism they level at feminism and it's impact on societal policy via academia. That obvious untruthfulness undermines the credibility of the very same people who defined MGTOW that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 10:25 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.And my stats indicate that most women have been assaulted by a man. That stat is outright BS and you know it, that's why you didn't post it. It's been disproven over and over again, and if you post it I'd have the honor of it being my turn to do so. Again, I’m not saying INCELS are dangerous and violent… I’m saying men are. Men that get pussy and men that don’t get pussy are the exact same and can get very violent. And it was fine when people didn't want blacks around because they were more dang… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 10:18 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol."Liberal". Liberal governments. The kind made up of a mixture of neoliberals and liberals who are comfortable with tolerating them. Actual leftists, like Zohran Mamdani, have been supported by young men by an enormous margin at the polls, far higher than either R or corporate D candidates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 10:14 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.19th–early 20th century U.S./West: Progressive Era “boy problem” involved street youth, truancy, and crime amid industrialization and immigration. Governments and reformers responded with youth programs, scouting, and education pushes. Great Depression-era concerns about jobless youth led to programs like the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) to combat idleness and instability. A not-insignificant critique is that the current era has made no effort to engage with the problem either materially or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 10:10 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.TIL that men have never before complained about or blamed women 🙄 You are lying by making this statement. The prior poster clearly stated: men have complained about loneliness, rejection, sexlessness, suicide, isolation, and dating failure forever. that noise existed. You shouldn't engage in discussion if you can't maintain even minimal honesty in your responses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:53 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.The identification of Incels as a dangerous group was primarily due to specific analysis that was released in 2020. This Research Review Paper, returning to examine the question half a decade later, found that portions of that initial period of worry featured disingenuous data analysis. For example: Perliger, Stevens, and Leidig, who analyzed almost 13,000 posts from seven popular online Incel platforms, found that out of the five online misogynist communities they focused on, Incels engaged in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:49 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.nobody cares about men going their own way Definitively untrue. The MGTOW movement received broad and substantial negative backlash, even though even the wikipedia page could assign no specific harm to it beyond "some MGTOW groups harassed women on social media". The response indicates that, no, a great many people cared and wanted to stop it immediately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:25 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.It's called a survey. It's literally how we, as a society, have always and will always measure the thoughts of both the broad population and specific subgroups. In this case most lonely men are suffering with some level of depression alongside it, both of which are essentially forms of continuous mental pain (this is a major part of why male suicide is so high). Some people react to pain with anger and lash out, but the anger problem ceases to exist when the source of pain is removed. This has b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:20 PM |
| – | young men were not a priority until the red pill came along. Suddenly they need to be "protected" Selective Righteousness and Narrative Caontrol.Men could just date other men if they wanted to. This is unhinged. It's been found that a low percentage of men are Bi (~5-6%), so when stacked with the 5% of Gay men, assuming no overlap, you still end up with ~90% of the population that aren't interested in other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:12 PM |
| – | You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlementIf you take both physical attraction and romance out of dating, it stops being dating and becomes a regular relationship. Do you not understand this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 06:29 PM |
| – | You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlementtaught since young this part is also a big part of the issue. It's not just selling a simplified version of the world to boys, something normal when explaining a high complexity subject to children, it's outright incorrect. Just as with Santa Clause, learning this is false will cause a degree of emotional harm, only this is a lot more foundational of a concept so the harm is proportionately larger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 06:15 PM |
| – | You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlementThis is a good point. The fact that "the right way" is going from a very low success rate to merely a low success rate is still going to feel like "the wrong way" and leave you constantly doubting yourself about whether you are doin something wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 06:11 PM |
| – | You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlementThis sub is literally about dating. If you think neither sex nor romance is needed, you should refresh yourself with the definition of dating. Perhaps ask an AI to summarize the core components of dating and the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 06:08 PM |
| – | You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlementThat... is way less common than what the prior poster is talking about. At most I have seen it occasionally applied to little boys that are still learning how to socialize and use the approach they employ with other boys. I've literally never seen that said in regards to emotional harm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 06:03 PM |
| 2 | Loud + combative does not equal masculine & quiet + submissive does not equal feminineMasculine and feminine as terms exist to describe social behaviors. Any behaviors that differentiate due to biology are simply referred to as male or female behaviors. On top of this, there is nothing inherently wrong with "loud, combative and domineering" being masculine traits. The whole "toxic masculinity" argument went too far and started labeling traits as categorically toxic, when in truth they are only conditionally toxic. There are absolutely conditions under which a man being "loud, com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 05:57 PM |
| 4 | If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues.You should actually look up your stats. The rate of "homes without fathers" is 1/5, but that number includes divorced couples where the father is still involved. This study found that About 3 in 5 (60%) separated fathers see their children once or twice a week, and more than 2 in 5 (40%+) fathers have their children stay overnight with many of those fathers sharing custody (roughly 32% of cases). So unless you count divorce as the man's sole fault, the "failure father" rate is 1/10-to-1/15. A di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 05:48 PM |
| 5 | If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues.You are moving the goalposts. Your original post asked about men holding fathers accountable, which cannot be done as we have no power over each other. You then said: So you just confirmed that you don’t believe men should be held responsible for their own sons. You brought sons into this. However, even in the case of fathers and sons they have no direct power over their sons. The most they could do is stop communicating with their son (the absentee father in question), which only matters if the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Men need to stop trying to get women to like them.No, I'm describing the most likely way that discussion played out. I actually agree that just saying hi isn't anywhere as bad of a filter as it is treated on here, but your framing was disingenuous compared to how I know that conversation most likely played out. That's what I object to. This concept of a debate forum only works if people are willing to convey information with honestly and can assume others are most likely doing the same. I'll push back whenever I happen to see anyone doing it, r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 05:31 PM |
| 7 | If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues.So you just confirmed that you don’t believe men should be held responsible for their own sons. You just failed a reading comprehension test on your own post. You stated that the fathers were the ones who failed to contribute to raising their children. You mentioned nothing about the wellbeing of their children. If you are speaking of the fathers of the failure fathers, those aren't "men" as a category, those are narrowly specific men, which isn't the argument you are making. Either way, you don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 07:29 AM |
| 15 | If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues."I want my partner to also be my friend so when we are home together in the evening we will enjoy interacting." "What a wretch you must be to make such demands!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 12:18 AM |
| 7 | Men need to stop trying to get women to like them.The result was that even talking to a woman is considered "jumping through hoops". Disingenuous framing, as you are almost certainly referencing the most extreme take you received and not the general response. And if that was the general response, then you are stripping out contextual information, because that statement is obviously irrational in a way no one would actually defend. In all likelihood the actual top reply was along the lines of explaining that "hoops" refer to unreasonable filters… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 12:08 AM |
| 26 | If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues.For anyone who missed it, this is a u/LillthOfBabylon post. so where are men holding fathers accountable for failing their sons? This is a poor question. It's like asking an American "Why are you supporting war with Iran" under the assumption that the average US citizen has any meaningful power to impact such things. Where are men encouraging more men to get into the education and mental health careers? The primary reason is these aren't viewed as being viable life paths due to lower pay relativ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 11:56 PM |
| – | The feeling of loneliness on menThe "male loneliness epidemic" has nothing to do with platonic loneliness, it's just not socially acceptable for men to complain about sexlessness. This... isn't accurate. At a minimum, we have literally measured how many friends people have and found the average of that number to have gone down over the last couple decades. For example, research has found that: "[The] percentage of U.S. adults who report having no close friends has quadrupled to 12% since 1990, while the percentage of those wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 11:27 PM |
| – | Being "real" is generally bad advice for men specifically, but not for womenAs opposed to not being real at all, I've found the greater flaw is not knowing how to make the truthful statement without being rude. The classic example is the old "does this dress make me look fat", which implies truth=bad and lie=good or some other form of gotcha in the answer, but it's actually an extremely easy question to answer if you just pay attention to basic details. If the question is asked at the store then an honest answer (even a blunt one) is what is wanted, if about to head out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 08:41 PM |
| 5 | A lot of progressive women actually hate male indifference, despite telling men to mind their business for years.Title: Possibly true take Body: One of the weirdest possible permutations of that take The idea that progressive women might have a "no, not like that" response to men withdrawing has the potential to be an interesting discussion, particularly if specific surveys / research could be referenced. But your initial example isn't very good, as focusing the discussion towards whether men are responding to things like make-up or clothing choice is extremely vague due to how much variance such behavior … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Why do (some!!) men that sex robots/robot gfs will be a legitimate replacement for real romantic relationships with a human women?That, at least, was just a different method to reach a known conclusion. This is quite the different can of worms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 07:58 PM |
| 2 | What's your relationship/sexual history?Recounting of my full history: ... Thus ends the tale. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 07:56 PM |
| 8 | What is it like wanting female validation badlyGiven that men are regularly told that they have to rise above the violent portion of "our" nature, and according to population statistics the vast vast majority of men succeed at this, then yes. I do think there is grounds to call women who exhibit that behavior "failures" and to expect them to do better, regardless of it being part of their nature or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 06:40 AM |
| 2 | women do not hate objectification, they hate low value objectificationHe's talking about women reacting negatively to the reality of men, who they don't desire, desiring them "at all". It's something women frequently complain about. As an example: "the male gaze", where a desirable man's giving her eyes (described as a "sultry look") while the same behavior in undesirable man is described as predatory ("he looked at me like I was a piece of meat"). I'd be shocked if you haven't come across this before, it's a very common complaint. What's this scenario OP is imagi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 06:36 AM |
| 4 | women do not hate objectification, they hate low value objectificationI'm sure there are some women who misuse objectification to mean "any attention i did not want". The argument that fewer women do this than OP thinks is potentially fair, but by that same token I think you are deeply underestimating how many women there are that "misuse objectification" in this context. This isn't something they will claim directly under questioning because it's obviously unreasonable, instead it comes out in the nature of their complaints. It's a frequent enough sight that it g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/26 06:34 AM |
| 7 | unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choicesI mean, women would like it if men didn't normalize sexual assault and violence amongst each other. You shouldn't lie. All available studies show that the vast majority of men don't do this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/26 06:04 PM |
| 11 | unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choicesThe complaint is clearly about women asking for and expecting this kind of response from men, which is accurate. Not all women, but enough that it's a pattern you will come across frequently across online spaces, in the media, and in IRL interactions (although this is the lowest frequency). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 10:45 PM |
| 8 | unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choicesI don't know of any couples who knew each other for years before they started. You shouldn't strawman an argument that doesn't exist. The argument treats "safe" men as a bucket category. There is no requirement that it needs to be the same previously rejected man, it's any safe man as the final step. I may disagree with RP, but I disagree more with dishonesty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 10:37 PM |
| 0 | Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth.Whether that's true is the point under contention. We have already seen while generations be sold a false bill of goods, like higher education = a good job, so it's worth examining things like whether the "what women deserve" culture has pushed a standard that is wholly unattainable, and in doing so contributed to the present disfunction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth.You are still putting covering your ears. Lowering standards means going from unreasonable (unattainable/higher tier men) > reasonable (peer men) standards, not reasonable (peer men) > unreasonable (lower tier men). Pretending like the argument is the second when it's the first poisons honest discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 09:30 PM |
| -2 | Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to?People believe that by throwing around "anecdotal evidence" they will come across as smart. The response of someone who wants to make claims that are beyond the evidence they actually have. I'm still entitled to describe what I have experienced, anecdotal or not. But you aren't entitled to being validated that those experiences are representative of anything more than your local reality if you aren't able to support that argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 09:13 PM |
| 1 | Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth.It’s the same provider expectation, just scaled relative to a different layer of society. A major portion of why sociology isn't viable is because the pay is bad and the skillset doesn't have as much crossover between valuable alternative career paths, both variables that fundamentally tie into the provider expectation. The "soft science" critique doesn't come into it any more than it matters for economists (a social science field that regularly exhibits far worse methodology and general "softne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 09:12 PM |
| 1 | Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth.From your description of RP you want to be rewarded for doing something by getting a woman or x thing should result on women wanting you. I literally didn't say that, nor anything close to that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 08:53 PM |
| 1 | Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth.You are underestimating the nature of male socialization and rearing values. Men are told, from the home to school to media, that they must prove value to have value. And the worst part? Even though I intellectually know that this isn't true, I don't believe it. I chose my career path (bioengineer into biomolecular researcher), not because I enjoy it (I would much rather do sociology research), but because I believe I have a responsibility to do difficult work others can't, and I have no intenti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 05:16 PM |
| 3 | Telling men not to attach their worth to dating women is a tall ask when women collectively act like it IS about men's worth.You are doing exactly what OP is taking about. The prior poster is talking about societal patterns and how prople coping with difficult conditions get blamed for those conditions even when the problem is systemic, and yet instead of engaging with that you implicitly attack their value with your response. You don't seek to best their reasoning in this debate forum, you imply that the problem is that they want to date women that are too good for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 04:55 PM |
| 5 | Female hypergamy is not only alive but thriving.Pretty much. We don't know if it's actually all the interviews or just those that are the "most engaging content", it's drawing entirely from the local population, it's going to have massive response bias towards people with strong / stubborn personalities given that it's a random in-person interview that's also being recorded, etc. The research paper he references (if I can find it) is at least a better proof, as that would at least show that women aren't adapting in a healthy way to their high… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 08:52 AM |
| 4 | Female hypergamy is not only alive but thriving.I added an edit but, as he mentions, it's from a video containing a series of short interviews. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 08:46 AM |
| 8 | Female hypergamy is not only alive but thriving.Your argument would be strengthened if you either embed the link to the information being referenced or add [Name of Study] after the relevant info. The argument you are making can only be made convincingly via strong proofs, as your central claim is that this is a society wide pattern. Without the ability to double check your analysis this is little better than opinion. Edit: For example, This appears to be the "NBA vs average man" interview. There isn't a large number of these interviews perfo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 08:32 AM |
| 7 | Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to?What you don’t understand is a woman can’t control what she’s attracted to. And guys do? Some guy says he's only attracted to women who are attractive enough to be models and people will roast him, regardless of whether he's being honest or not. Based on OPs other responses it seems like the real issue is that they have a vulnerability to caving to peer pressure and are emotionally uncomfortable with telling someone "that/those test date(s) were nice, but I'm not feeling any attraction to you", … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 07:12 AM |
| 4 | Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to?Women are sold this narrative that ugly guys have a good heart, that we should give ugly guys a chance (even though the wording is not exact, as we use all kinds of euphemisms to convey the idea of a physically unattractive guy). Women, or the media more generally (heart of gold is a common character archetype), might sell this idea, but I haven't heard this come from men. The messaging I hear is along the lines of "don't judge a book by its cover". That message doesn't assume a good character, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 03:47 AM |
| 11 | Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to?Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to? I believe such men exist, as you are complaining about them, but I have never met such individuals. If anything, I've usually seen men respond positively to couples where the woman is clearly a league above the man, as that is in some ways a very hopeful and encouraging thing to see. However: for marrying guys they aren't attracted to This bit only occurs if a wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 01:43 AM |
| 2 | What is your advice to gen Z men ?A small addition, but something that isn't properly emphasized is that strong social connections don't occur naturally, the people that believe that actually had good teachers and/or circumstances that taught them those skills while they were growing up. It actually requires continuous effort and the purposeful recording of information about people you are close to, like birthday dates. (This continues to be a division point between young men and young women, as female socialization encourages t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 11:02 PM |
| 2 | Women Deceive Themselves About Bad Men, Then Blame All Men.because you’re not in danger financially I'll push back on this one. While it's true that it wasn't specifically required that both women and men be allowed their own bank account prior to the 1974 act, it also wasn't universally required prior to that point that women needed a male co-signature, nor was that ever the case. A portion of banking institutions did that, mostly due to defending from the British banking system, but even then that was driven by the banks wanting someone to go after fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 07:26 PM |
| 0 | If many women say you are a total catch but won’t date you, the harsh truth is that they are lying to you.Do you not know women in your life that are good people that you wouldn't date? The other poster was non-serious so I'll answer this one as well. Their general point, that these women are either fat or ugly, is a meaningful part of the answer but not the whole of it. I'll use my own life as an example, as briefly as I can: First definition of "Know": "Know as a person". I've been friends (more that acquaintances on good terms), with 8 women. 4 of them were overweight to the point it was distinct… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 07:06 PM |
| 1 | If many women say you are a total catch but won’t date you, the harsh truth is that they are lying to you.Eeeh, this isn't strictly accurate. You generally need prior attraction to sexual attraction, that is true, and maybe even physical attraction specifically, but emotional attraction can occur out of order with physical attraction. That in turn can lead to the woman being more comfortable being around that man and leading to more social situations where his physically attractive characteristics can be exemplified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 06:13 PM |
| 2 | If many women say you are a total catch but won’t date you, the harsh truth is that they are lying to you.I like to call this schrodingers catch: A man who’s simultaneously called a catch by all his female friends standards but yet still struggles to find a woman who will date him. I think this is just women treating the guy like they do other women. how many female friend groups have a stark gradient of attractiveness, and yet you will still overhear them gassing up the least attractive member of their group? I don't think the "lying" is necessarily malicious, I think it's something they view as a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 05:54 PM |
| 6 | I don't understand redpill for woman.Given that you intended this to be open discussion, I'll respond here: Part of RP claims to represent a more accurate and honest view of relational dynamics than BP. Strictly speaking, all it would take for a woman to identify as RP would be for her to agree with the RP's overall analysis (edit: and be willing to openly state that perspective). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 05:48 PM |
| 2 | Women Deceive Themselves About Bad Men, Then Blame All Men.Okay, nobody blames the man except the cheating partner. This isn't strictly true. It's very common for a cheating woman to get more support from women than a man would from men simply due to women having a stronger in-group bias. Any mention of a woman cheating is immediately followed, regardless of available proof, with questions about whether the man did anything to deserve it. This is not part of the standard response to a man cheating. This difference isn't surprising. Once of the most perv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 01:38 AM |
| -1 | [Repost - Discussion] What system is most likely to replace traditional monogamy in the long term? Open to all perspectivesThe one elephant I can think of is societal tolerance of misandry, as incentivizing monogamy will have a portion of women screaming bloody murder until we make a serious effort at dispelling all the unfounded fear mongering around men that has been normalized. Beyond that the majority of the problem is due to the collapse of traditional community structures, but those died due to entertainment replacing the evening boredom that drove people to put regular effort into connecting to their local co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 01:16 AM |
| 7 | Women Deceive Themselves About Bad Men, Then Blame All Men.It's harder to "avoid the haters" when a specific kind of hater behavior is tolerated. Also, it's fundamentally a problem worth talking about the same way that systemic sexism against women was during the 1960s and earlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Women Deceive Themselves About Bad Men, Then Blame All Men.Loser men created an entire club where they share bad experiences with women and come up with the phrase “AWALT”. This is a weak point. I've heard "All Men" or some variant outside of gender focused spaces on many occasions but have never heard AWALT or similar. This statement isn't comparing apples to apples. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 12:57 AM |
| – | What Are Women Doing to These Birds? Has the Gender War Gone Too Far?Wish this wasn't a "question for women" given the general nature of the study. When it comes to animal behavior, there are a lot of potential variables. For example, it could be that city workers tend to wear headgear like this during the summer when clearing unwanted bird nests, and the birds have since begun to associate human that have "long hair" with nest destruction. They didn't mention hair length as a variable (at least in the article), and while they mentioned "what people wore" they wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 12:45 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: What women-focused media to you engage with?Q1) "Research papers" is the largest category for ones I take seriously. I hear narratives from time to time in all areas of life, but whether or not I take that narrative seriously depends on if I can find at least 1-2 pieces of systemic evidence supporting it. Otherwise I take it as being either anecdotal or a localized pattern (true under narrow conditions), and not something broadly true. Q2: The latest Wandering Inn audiobook is the most recent. The initial premise is "in another world" and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 08:07 PM |
| 3 | Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in not just nobody wanting to be around them but nobody wanting to date them either and it's an issue which will follow many for their entire life.If 90 percent of men in the West or America had low disagreeableness a rapist and pedofile like Donald Trump would never have been president Agreeableness isn't a moral position. The definitional traits it represents, when referring to it as a big 5 component, are "cooperative, polite, kind, and friendly". The only one that would position an individual against Trump is "kind", meaning that someone high in "cooperativeness, politeness, and friendliness" could still extend little empathy to indivi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in not just nobody wanting to be around them but nobody wanting to date them either and it's an issue which will follow many for their entire life.Edit: Also 7% of men who are violent, abusive, sexist etc.. out of a study of 15k that's 1,050 men that's more than enough to fit this comment section Pointing to absolute numbers when discussing a % of the population is inherently bad faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 06:46 PM |
| 3 | Women have male-like sexuality when they attracted to other womenSee this? This here! This is already a much more interesting line of back-and-forth discussion than what the OP was getting at. I don't have anything to add at this point, I would need to do research into differences of patterns of dress in lesbians vs straight women, but now I've learn about another interesting detail in the overall picture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 05:04 AM |
| 23 | CMV: Men in their 20s should date around and play the field"Given that we have an ongoing famine, have the people considered simply eating food?" I don't get how they came to this conclusion either. The issue isn't that a massive % of young men are choosing to not participate, it's that it's insanely difficult for individuals outside of existing social webs to break in and start organically socializing with people. And to pre-empt the inevitable, it's not that it hasn't grown harder for both men and women, it's just even more difficult for men specifica… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 11:42 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Men in their 20s should date around and play the fieldWhy are you pointing this out? The majority of young men would be happy with more and broader socialization but there is literally a loneliness epidemic going on at the moment. Saying that the answer is "more and varied socialization" is akin to telling someone during the pandemic that "all you need to do to protect yourself is pick up a few packs of N95 filter masks". The scarcity of the resource is the problem in the first place, not people being ignorant of actions that could lead to the prob… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 11:36 PM |
| – | It’s not possible to use a woman for sexOP, you overstated your position. The core of your point, that the continued prevalence of the claim of men “using women for sex” is unreasonable given observable reality and how our society is structure, is a fair one. However, you would be better served making the argument that women should refrain from using that phrase outside of "examples of manipulation where open and explicit promises were made", as women are the ones holding the majority of the power in the dating market and thus the maj… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 11:13 PM |
| 6 | Women have male-like sexuality when they attracted to other womenIt's a shame, because the general topic being brought up is somewhat interesting. There is some indication in research that Lesbians are more visually compelled than straight women, but whether that matters or not would depend on whether the visual cortex of lesbian women have different neural structure or not. If not then it would imply that there is actually a cultural or psychological layer to how humans behave when romantically pursuing women, however this is a very large if-then chain alrea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 09:24 PM |
| 2 | Men, stop making unhinged and hyperbolic statements if you dont want to be ‘strawmanned’.Very strange premise. I frequently see hyperbolic and unhinged posts from both sides of the discussion on here, both blue/red and male/female. But, much like this one, they are generally heavily downvoted and most of the top comments are people disagreeing with the OP. The once exception is when the OP brings up an interesting concept, perspective, or topic, at which point most of the discussion is about that subject and not OP's rant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 08:22 PM |
| 16 | Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in not just nobody wanting to be around them but nobody wanting to date them either and it's an issue which will follow many for their entire life.A study of 15,000 men from January 2026 found low disagreeableness in 90% of the study body, with 7% showing moderate disagreeableness and 3% showing high disagreeableness. A rate of about 1/20-ish, overall, for coming across a man being disagreeable matches with my own IRL experience. That still leaves 19/20 guys who socialize non-disagreeably. The idea that the discourse around this issue is primarily being driven by this 5% of men doesn't line up with existing analysis, as the % of men strugg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 08:14 PM |
| 4 | Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in not just nobody wanting to be around them but nobody wanting to date them either and it's an issue which will follow many for their entire life.Far too many men cannot see that they have undesirable trait's and behaviors which results in nobody wanting to be around them Though my point is to say this, EVERY MAN who display's anti-social behavior's in an excessive amount will at first struggle to reckon with the fact that this is the case, they will insist this is not and even if this is their behavior it isn't a good reason for nobody to want to love them or be around them This is basically true. Every time I've been around someone that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 08:11 PM |
| 2 | Men (and society) want tangible value from women but are mad that women want tangible value tooBut even in the most 'patriarchal' societies, I think women still mated upwards in SMV rank by gender, i.e. a 55th percentile mate value woman in medieval China still probably married a man who ranked higher than 55th percentile among men. I disagree due to the difficulty of casual travel. The majority of people, throughout 99.9% of history, stayed in their home village/town/city/etc. In fact, people moved around so little that specific segments of large cities could develop distinct "regional" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Men (and society) want tangible value from women but are mad that women want tangible value tooIf men have to provide more because women have more innate value and/or sacrifice more, but your society's rules and circumstances create a scenario where men naturally have more resources, how do you actually describe that transaction? Tbf this is the easier example by far, as women having higher value of one kind while men have higher of another makes for the easiest kind of win-win exchange. Right now, most young women don't see many positives to the female side of reproduction. This is not a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 05:01 AM |
| 6 | Men (and society) want tangible value from women but are mad that women want tangible value tooThey were using precise language. But since you apparently need it stated very simply: Couples work via equal-ish exchange, but what has value varies by culture. Biology means the same couple items always come up, so there are only so many combinations. If a society fails to reach at least people dying = babies born, that society dies. The only pattern to meet or beat that ratio is committed 1male-1female couples, there are no alternatives that we know of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 04:40 AM |
| -1 | Men (and society) want tangible value from women but are mad that women want tangible value tooThat seems like something men should work on, not women. Reading comprehension fail. The person you are replying to already said: A man just existing as a normal man does not provide any of that value, so he must compensate in other ways. Men are literally already compensating for this difference, as they always have and always will. Your statement is nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 04:29 AM |
| 6 | How does a relationship look like for you?Age 31, working on completing a PhD degree on the functioning of a regulatory cell surface protein. I'm not interested in the average woman, but no, I'm not referring to appearance. My parents had a distinct intelligence gap which resulted in one (1) of them generally being in charge of everything while the other (2) periodically had issues where they misunderstood something important and it caused problems. It led to some mutual frustration, as 2 disliked feeling less competent and 1 disliked h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:31 PM |
| 12 | A lot of male self-improvement advice is useless because it still keeps women at the centre.While your point is generally true OP, this is an area where the empathy gap negatively impacts men. Due to the way that men are taught to deprioritize their own safety/value, to the point that such values are deeply engrained psychologically in most men, personal development/self-improvement for your own sake isn't a sufficient motivator. I don't think it's that women are centered in the minds of men, although that is likely also a contributor, but that men themselves are decentered from their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:50 PM |
| 5 | Its not That Red pill is "Controlling" or even Wrong. They just want it silenced and snuffed out. as well as unselected menThose people might claim they're feminists, but they're not. This then becomes a numbers question. I won't evoke "no true scotsman" because that's pointless, but it's true that after a certain point you have to admit they are feminists, even if you have to specify that they are a degenerate/conservative offshoot movement. It's like Protestants and Catholics. Early on Catholics denied that Protestants were Christian at all, instead labelling them non-Christian heretics (thus justifying all the mu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 08:41 AM |
| 1 | It's Currently 2026. Predict What Dating Will Be Like For Both Men And Women In 2040.Virtual companions are more popular but still carry stigma, but sex robots are not widespread due to cost. This is the one thing I'm not sure on for many of the predictions in this thread. Unless LLM's are capable of fundamentally improving beyond current limitations and become at least partially AGI, something that is still hotly debated in academia but broadly viewed as unlikely, it's more likely that continuous LLM usage for relational purposes is made illegal (based on available data it seem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:25 AM |
| 1 | It's Currently 2026. Predict What Dating Will Be Like For Both Men And Women In 2040.Early sex will be less common as women take greater precautions for reproductive outcomes, and as young men increasingly grow more conservative with their own sexual views. A small addendum, but 14 years is enough time for some of the background medical technologies we have been working on to be completed and enter normal circulation, like a perfect pregnancy prevention drug or a female equivalent to viagra. Depending on whether those succeed and how prevalent/affordable they are, that could alt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:05 AM |
| 3 | Women keep reframing RP observations as men trying to control womenwe're talking mid nineties into the aughts. So basically in a different dimension to the present reality And a lot of the socialization wasn't that spontaneous, and was something various folks were involved with planning That's why I mentioned "death of community". It was killed by social media sponging up all the time people used to put into background organizing of socialization, because the only reason that existed in the first place was that people were bored during their evenings, a motive … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 01:33 AM |
| 9 | unselected men for some reason blamed for the behavior of the men women actually chooseWhen iterated over hundreds of societal action that gap grows massive very very quickly, that's why it gets pointed out as noteworthy. An x4 difference in a behavior pattern can lead to huge societal swings in how people behave or talk about something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 09:17 PM |
| 11 | unselected men for some reason blamed for the behavior of the men women actually chooseBait used to be believable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 09:14 PM |
| 6 | Women keep reframing RP observations as men trying to control womenYou're right but, tbf, the driver behind why so many men are on OLD is the collapse of community networks and the loss of normalization of more open socialization practices. It's incredibly difficult to socialize as a guy, particularly if you don't already have a robust social circle. Based on the line "This is how most of my students are meeting their partners now" I'll hazard that part of why it doesn't look too bad from your perspective is that you are part of one of the only segments of soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 08:30 PM |
| 3 | Is there anything at all that you feel like men need grace for?Justifying antisocial behavior towards a specific subgroup of the population by another subgroup isn't the way either. The specific part of the issue you mention is an instance where women need to become less bigoted. And yes, it is bigotry. The usual justification for this kind of exclusionary bigotry is "too many men are violent creeps and predators", but that kind of reasoning requires the presence of a pattern of behavior. Studies have found that ~0.9% of men show a pattern of violent crimin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 12:55 AM |
| 2 | Is there anything at all that you feel like men need grace for?Part of the issue is the lack of entities willing to fund serious efforts towards addressing these issues, and part of it is the presence of feminism within academia (specifically the Social Sciences). Efforts to push for male specific aid, at least in the past, have consistently been met with counter calls along the lines of "why aren't you spending resources on both men and women" or, in extreme instances, "Why are you trying to monopolize resources away from people that actually need them, li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 12:14 AM |
| 2 | Is there anything at all that you feel like men need grace for?You re target those men and provide resources, but it hard to service those populations when they don't seek out treatment or stay seeking out treatment. This is heavily related to the issue of male social isolation. In order to know that you need help you either need someone that knows you well enough to tell that something is wrong and tell you about it, or you need to realize something is wrong and seek out help. This is a double issue with the number 1 male mental health issue, depression. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/26 12:07 AM |
| 8 | Is there anything at all that you feel like men need grace for?Personally, I think the greater need is for more openness towards guys being allowed into social circles as demo/test friends. The more I've seen this done personally, the more I've seen that outsider guys weren't antisocial loners but actually just normal guys that lacked any current social bonds in the local community through which they could make warm introductions to people. For some reason women with no current social bonds are invited more readily into casual socialization in a public sett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 11:49 PM |
| 3 | Is there anything at all that you feel like men need grace for?It's an issue with this specific subreddit. There is a distinct % of men here that have large resentments, potentially even to the point of bigotry, towards women, and so women giving responses contrary to their negative beliefs is interpreted to them as lying, because those responses being genuine couldn't possible be true. This post, in spite of being completely reasonable, is at 65% upvotes at the moment due to it annoying both the % of women around here that have resentments towards men and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 11:39 PM |
| 1 | People are inconsistent about masculine traits and behaviorsOn that last bit, it's also due to society changing to become less tolerant of independent action in children. My own parents speak of how, when they were both high schoolers and grade schoolers, it was common to head out and not be home until twilight (in fact, they said it wasn't uncommon for parents to demand their children spend most of their day away from the home). The critical bit is the portion about grade schoolers, as even though it has been labeled as "dangerous" children began practi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 10:12 PM |
| 0 | “I’d date a chopped guy who’s funny” is womanese for “I’d date a chopped guy who’s charismatic/high status”I've literally never heard a woman even cite "status" as reason for preferring a guy...not even secondhand. Are you including synonyms for status? For example, an individual being well liked by their local community is a form of social status, one that signals that they are worth getting to know. Research (1)(2) is very consistent that "social status" is an attractive trait, that's part of the driver behind women dating upwards in age when they are younger. Men that are outside of the educationa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 09:42 PM |
| 2 | People are inconsistent about masculine traits and behaviorsPeople are inconsistent about masculine traits and behaviors This is a good take, but where you went with it in the body of your post is odd. There is a strong argument, for example, that positive vs toxic male traits are almost always the same trait, but affected by different motives or to expressed to different extents. For example, it's viewed as a good thing for a young man to prove himself as a provider by working hard to pursue the best job his skillset and talents would enable (positive m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 09:28 PM |
| 2 | People are inconsistent about masculine traits and behaviorsThis is actually why I place a portion of the blame for the present situation on the degrading economic situation of the last two decades. It's become increasingly common for young adults to not have a home space where you can host in-person group social activities. I only know two young people that own a home, one that bought before reaching 30 but had to live with his parents for years after getting married while he and his wife saved, while the other is over 30 and only bought it after gettin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 09:06 PM |
| 2 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?Yeah, it's basically invisible but society actually has a massive anti-male sexism/bigotry problem. The invisibility is because it's so rare for anyone to seriously question those kinds of statements when they hear them, as many people assume them to be true out of hand. It follows the same pattern of old-school racism, where it's so pervasive that people that point out that "blacks are inherently less intelligent" isn't true when tested by research get treated like they are the weirdos. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 08:20 PM |
| 2 | Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid.Women are more agreeable than men. Eh, women are more likely to be agreeable, but the majority of both men and women are agreeable. Instead of citing one of the many 2010-ish studies, I'll go with fresher data. A study of 15,000 men from January 2026 found low disagreeableness in 90% of the study body, with 7% showing moderate disagreeableness and 3% showing high disagreeableness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid.If you feel so uncomfortable with men, why wouldn't women too? This is a strange take. Regardless of accuracy, on the societal level women are regularly regarded as being better at emotional openness, and women also regularly promote this idea about themselves (both individually and as a group) as well. You wouldn't expect someone skilled at something to be uncomfortable when practicing that skill. Given that men are regarded as being poor at their feelings skills, particularly when it comes to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 07:21 PM |
| 2 | Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid.That gets into the uncomfortable question of the relative value of different educational attainments, as a masters in "art history" isn't the same as one in "electrical engineering", as well as the question of whether alternative paths, like working trade jobs, are also more valuable than low end degrees. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 07:11 PM |
| 3 | Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid.Men AREN'T more competent though. The corollary of this (in this context) is that you believe "women are more agreeable" to be a true statement. I'm not sure you want to draw that line in the sand. The "women are more agreeable" position comes from studies with findings that show "agreeableness" (defined as a trait representing trust, altruism, and tender-mindedness) in women appearing at ~+0.35 standard deviations (about +10% more of the population). Because humans tend towards agreeableness, t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 07:08 PM |
| 0 | Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid.(for example, men being treated as more competent) While it's untrue that either men or women are more competent when it comes to 99.99% of tasks, the present narrative has swapped to the opposite untruth of women being presented as the more competent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 06:05 PM |
| 21 | Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid.Men's agreeableness is scrutinized because so many men are violent creeps and predators. Studies have found that ~0.9% of men show any pattern of violent criminality (63% of total violent crime), with the rest of that % (37%) being composed of primarily 1-off offenders whose actions were specific to a narrow set of circumstances and not part of their normal behavior or thinking. Since "violent creeps and predators" represent a pattern of behavior, that's not "so many" but an extreme minority of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 06:01 PM |
| 3 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?The issue isn't that the weakness is more acceptable (a point I would debate) but that there isn't an accepted alternative area of worth with men. The current societal dialogue already places men categorically as less moral, having less self control, more lazy, more dangerous, etc. Removing the requirement that men possess positives like "providing" and "being a source of strength/security" doesn't really fix anything, as that just leaves a generic list of negatives that society (and, tbf, women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 05:45 PM |
| 2 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?I was hoping someone else would have already asked, but they haven't so I guess I will. That is the one positive aspect to this sub for me and it has led me to ask some questions of my husband that I hadn't before. Of the questions that you have asked your husband, what was/were the answer/answers that most surprised you? I know of a couple generic ones that tend to surprise women, like the combo of finding out how much a genuine compliment means to guy + how few such compliments guys get, but I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 05:34 PM |
| 11 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?Thanks for bringing this up. The amount of traumatic events being experienced by a shockingly large number of men, but which the world around them has decidedly determined to treat as either "not a big deal" or to simply deny existing in the first place, is a serious society-scale problem. It's hard even to prove it exists, as it's tied to deeply held sexist views and beliefs that most people would be shocked to learn are actually bigoted positions to hold. Personally, I think this is a very rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 01:40 AM |
| 0 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?No one actually has it worse though, it's just different. Women are currently the ones arguing against this view, though. Arguing that men and women, in aggregate and across issues, are equal in our suffering and problems is a view that will get you labeled as Mens Rights / Manosphere, and subsequently dismissed, across a lot of the digital ecosystem. Women are also the ones that do the most to promote unequal viewpoints, like the idea that men are substantially more violence and rape-y than wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 01:14 AM |
| 0 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?They however are not the primary target for rape or physical violence in partnerships False: https://www.nsvrc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) (2010) By population estimate according to the study, based on 12 month interval reporting: Women raped: 1,270,000 (page 18) Men “made to penetrate”: 1,267,000 (page 19) The language "made to penetrate" is because the definition of rape used required penetration by perpetra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 01:03 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand that not only women compare them with each other, but they also have fixed standards.Her point really comes down to the fact that men are happy with any relationship. They don't care who it is as long as they have someone. This is evidenced by the fact that men jump right into the next relationship exponentially quicker than women. Both halves of that are inaccurate. To the first, plenty of men wouldn't be happy with "any" relationship, that's literally the difference between desperate and non-desperate and I think we can agree that both of those groups exist. As to the second, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 09:15 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand that not only women compare them with each other, but they also have fixed standards.Men who are bachelor's are "heros". They're fun and cool and have important lives. They've even been given a cool name! This hasn't been the case for some time. This is essentially the "suave debonair single operator" archetype, as seen in a character like James Bond, but that character archetype died out as something openly considered desirable quite some time ago. Now such a character is typically portrayed as being "of low moral character", either directly or implicitly via the surrounding na… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 09:05 PM |
| 3 | Men don't understand that not only women compare them with each other, but they also have fixed standards.It does make sense, but as usual the pros are mentioned yet the caveat of "the abusive misogynistic men are getting with women that have issues" isn't, in spite of being a major con to that whole approach. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Do women understand how difficult men have it in the dating market? (Not Incel content)Unrelated, but what is your secret to making your "1. 2. 3. 4." list appear correctly on old reddit? I tried looking it up before but the top posts I could find referenced the formatting I was already using. I've been using "1) 2) 3) 4)" as an alternative, but I've been meaning to ask someone how to do it properly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 12:25 AM |
| 3 | Single/lonely men and social circlesIt would be so challenging to study this specifically in a way that is both ethical and would not compromise the study with bystander effect and what not. Facts. A shame though, as this data would be absolute gold for what it could reveal about human behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Single/lonely men and social circlesWhile I agree, the issue is that there is something of a catch-22 where moving "solitary hobbies" at least partially into "social activity" requires people to do those social hobbies with. Back when society was more pro-social this wasn't as much of an issue, as people with established social activities in their schedule were more open to allowing a new person to tag along (and there were many more organic opportunities for a socially inactive person to be in the right place and time to ask or g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 11:46 PM |
| 3 | Single/lonely men and social circlesSuccessful and unsuccessful behaviors have been studied (and these findings published) This really depends on context. Patterns related to "stranger meeting stranger" have been heavily studied because that's a relatively easy experiment (and unfortunately do support the "luck and looks" argument), but successful behaviors under conditions where both parties aren't starting from nearly 0 information about each other is massively understudied. I mention this because, for most of the last 60 years,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 11:27 PM |
| 2 | Stop gaslighting men into TherapyTbf that's why good therapists do research and/or line up consultations with people who do have experience in that specific area. Part of why the bill is usually high is the hours of work they do outside of the direct 1-on-1 sessions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 10:49 PM |
| 2 | We should start collecting misandrist memes, headlines, videos, and other various social media content and put it into a databaseI agree with this general point, but it would be difficult to raise the totality of the archive beyond the level of "anecdotal evidence". That's not to say it's not possible, but it would need to track every item by poster/reposter account, location of post, and response. In order to make this argument you would need to prove that it's not being driven by a small number of particularly prolific bigots (poster/reposter+response) but by a large group, that such a theoretical small group of haters … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/26 10:29 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men aren’t “afraid of commitment” anymore, we’re just more selective than previous generationsIt's a bad thing when the perception of problems outweighs the reality. Ex: in the USA you could listen to a new marriage horror story every day of the year and that wouldn't mean anything as that is 365 stories relative to a population of 340,000,000+ people. The only thing that matters is whether these issue are real or not, and given that Gen Z (relative to their current age) has a divorce rate comparable to people in the 1960s in the same age range, citing worry about "messy divorces, infide… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 09:30 PM |
| 13 | Most young women are dating the same set of terrible menTeen boys aren't remotely interested in long term potential or - shiver the thought - kids and good mothers. This isn't strictly accurate, as while anecdotal I was one such teen boy (interested in moral character and intelligence, both long term characteristics). Ex: Although it never went anywhere the young woman I asked to prom I asked because she impressed me as a person and not for her attractiveness (at or below average). Men go through this learning curve; why is it that {some men} can't e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 09:07 PM |
| – | If you don’t go to clubs/bars you can’t say you want to get women/being introverted is a choiceYou're not necessarily wrong, but at the same time Gen Z has had that explicit narrative going on for quite a while. I personally wouldn't be bothered by buzzed or less, but more drunk than that and I would be uncomfortable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.Huh, learn something new every day. I just looked this up and it was indeed common practice for some time, although it seems like it also used to be normal to contextually treat "he" as a gender neutral phrase as well (this actually explains why my grandmother, a retired teacher, would constantly refer to our cat as "he" even though everyone knew the cat was female). I can see why that was changed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 01:29 AM |
| 1 | The Vanishing of Male Victims in the NISVS and Youth Endowment Fund SurveysMy bad, Page 19 is where the 1,267,000 number is. My reading comprehension failed me and I control-f'd to the wrong graph. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/26 01:10 AM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.(I.e. a big talking point was reforming language to not use He/Him as the de facto pronoun and to switch to They/Them for hypothetical individuals. Sort of akin to the latinex debate, but in English). This is the kind of thing I was referring to with "modifying social behavior". He/Him was never the de facto pronoun in English, and that lack of reality is why that entire line of discourse has since fallen off completely as something anyone talks about with any seriousness (outside of specificall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.I do think that incels became more visible first, and that red pill misogyny flared before radical feminism did. From what I have found incel culture only became visible to the public consciousness in the 2010s following a couple high-profile crimes and "incel" reddit being banned. Radical feminism was already building momentum in the 90s at the latest, including in academia. While the two came into open conflict during the 2010s the side with the large established power base leveraged it to fur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 11:43 PM |
| 0 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.There is a lot of other sci-fi nonsense in here though. Progress stops looking human. We have precisely 0 reason to think that an AI would think perform research differently from humans. There is an argument for greater speed and total mental bandwidth, but the scientific method would still be the basis of development. The body becomes editable too, with enhanced senses, altered biology, and endless customised variations. This simply might not be possible. Even if we complete eliminate the risk … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.Reddit socialists, useful idiots, and fellow travelers are eager to decry the fouls of "capitalism" because "everything costs money" Kinda disingenuous framing here. The issue isn't that "everything costs money", it consistently comes down to a ratio issue between effort/time spent and money gained vs external costs. The fact that rent has doubled over the last 20 years, well over median wage, has directly led to people having less disposable income and the Great Depression level pattern of youn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.By the mid 2030s, someone builds a system that can genuinely improve itself. Written realistically: By the mid 2030s, someone invents magic. That's how many layers of research away from this we are. We are at least 50 years away from figuring out how the human brain actually encodes information (we have lots of theories but no proof), and we have no idea at all how information processing is actually done. A self improving system (that doesn't immediately cap out how much it can improve) requires… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 10:18 PM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.I think that red pill misogyny prompted scorched earth feminism, which became exclusionary and contemptuously bad faith. I disagree on this one, I've never found any indicator that red pill misogyny was ever enough of a % of the population to organically start feminism down the road it has chosen. I think that style of "scorched earth feminism" mostly arose due to easy visibility (due to media + social media pushing content that gets engagement over content of quality) and a lack of pushback fro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 10:05 PM |
| 1 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad.I'd say that of both pills. If you can define both the initial movement and the primary reaction to it, ensuring that both of them have clear unhealthy aspects / weak points, it serves the purpose of preventing alternative viewpoints/methods/analysis from gaining traction (options that could actually address the underlying problems) with the added bonus of causing anyone that dislikes both options to become increasingly apathetic. Like conservatism and liberalism/neoliberalism, they serve to dil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Conspiracy : We will see never seen levels off self improving in the next Years for Men, and it will get really bad....And yet the alternative to what's suggested - aka the activities being "replaced" by such productive activities as those you list out - is often sitting at home consuming consumer content like video games, porn, and social media. I think the implication is on uptake rates. Just like how the % of relationships occurring through apps has been continuously increasing, unless we actually address the systemic drivers of these changes the outcome we should expect is that "sitting at home consuming"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 09:42 PM |
| 1 | University leaders warn Australia faces a generation of ‘lost boys’ as young men increasingly fall behind in education and employment opportunities.Trades aren't in that much of a better position tbf. The first issue is that Private Equity started coming for them a while ago and now many areas have the majority of their trade businesses owned by a PE firm that is squeezing them for profit (bad for wages and lifetime earning potential). The second issue is that the trades, overall, have a serious issue with current experts being unwilling to perform mentorship duties. Given that most trade unions require a period of mentorship, this has crea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/26 06:42 PM |
| 1 | False rape accusations are incredibly common, virtually routine even.I'm a bit suspicious that they didn't reference what the source actually says on this subject. When thinking back to a major paper I read on a subject I can usually at least provide a quick summary on the important findings, and such a short 1-2 sentence summary Ould have been very beneficial to this very discussion, yet they didn't get into it, which is frustrating because it is possible that the 8% was a repeated boilerplate figure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/26 01:28 AM |
| 1 | False rape accusations are incredibly common, virtually routine even.I don't know if this can be accessed for free outside of a university internet connection, but this link is to the research gate copy of this paper. If not then you at least have the official title and other identifying info that you can google to find an alternative copy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/26 01:18 AM |
| 1 | False rape accusations are incredibly common, virtually routine even.I just tried to access it and got this message: "Page not found It looks like the page you’re looking for doesn’t exist." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/26 01:17 AM |
| 5 | What *specific* social missteps are common among romantically struggling men?Inability to flirt. Honestly, this one might be the hardest of these items to overcome for young men. Most of those other points could be summarized as "have spent time developing emotional intelligence in regard to how you interact with others". Flirting is a separate skill (and one with far fewer practice opportunities), and skill acquisition either occurs through observation of positive examples or trial and error. At present there is a growing skill gap, as it's becoming more likely that ind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/26 12:29 AM |
| 7 | The 62 million stat is the newest demonize men psyop.That's because all the times where they did resulted in identical rates of response for men, and that result is unacceptable. The CDC literally ran parallel questions from 2010-2012 and every year found men to experience equal or greater levels of rape (forced to penetrate) as women experienced rape (forced penetration). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/26 11:27 PM |
| 18 | Lack of proper research of MisandryAnd how many studies are there of women systemically oppressing men? That's actually why I chose the "bias against boys in school" research as one of the items to mention. In that context it is women specifically that are oppressing males via biased/bigoted behavior (as they are heavily overrepresented in that space), and it is so systemic that the research could find evidence of it's effect throughout the educational system. It's also a good piece of evidence towards the conclusion of women, as… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/26 11:20 PM |
| 24 | Lack of proper research of MisandryThe continuing failure under this framework is the refusal by academics to seriously re-examine basal assumptions or listen to anyone that has re-examined those assumptions, as even if we accept the goal as being to "redistribute power" that inherently needs such examination to determine if the efforts have been successful. If the assumption of "Men who hold power"="Men as a category" is examined it becomes immediately clear that only men with pre-existing wealth and connections hold "institutio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/26 10:37 PM |
| 11 | Lack of proper research of Misandrythe prior poster is off base, you aren't being weird. When talking about research specifically male and female works just fine. It's a context where the more technical language is expected, as it serves to keep communications as clear as possible. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/26 10:26 PM |
| 15 | Lack of proper research of MisandryThere is actually research that functions as evidence of misandry, but when searching for it you have to search for specific expressions of it. Research into bias against boys in school, why the homeless receive little to no sympathy, around "forced penetration" rates and reporting issues there-in, etc. It's unfortunate that a spade can't be called a spade, but the research does exist. I think that, eventually, it will be possible to assemble the totality of these points into a single powerful a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/26 10:22 PM |
| 7 | Does anyone else (particularly Millennial men) feel men were told for a long time to critically examine their looks standards for women, only for this messaging to suddenly and silently disappear when it was discovered circa 2012 that women are no less looks-focused than men?I was mostly asking about your confident assertion that women find their attraction to their partner's non-physical attributes increasing over time in non-OLD contexts It's not attraction to those characteristics that's increasing over time, it's the size of the body of known information. It's partially the normalization effect, as interaction with individuals that could be defined as "ugly", male and female, have that property de-emphasized over time in the minds of those that regularly interac… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/26 05:27 AM |
| 8 | Is feminism really something leftists talk about or is that more of a neoliberalism talking point?I've been thinking the same. So much of feminism, as it presently exists, maps onto neoliberal(and even outright conservative) patterns of thought (literally the classic conservative "the law protects the in-group but doesn't bind them, while it binds the outgroup but does not protect it"). And at the same time, actually left wing people I have spoken to primarily care about addressing real systemic problems, like fixing wage stagnation and housing, and not spending their energy on nonsense like… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/26 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Feminist student organisation made SoCal gym inclusive - by banishing men - so that "women and non-binary students can exercise with a sense of ease"Correct. Still doesn't debunk anything I said. I didn't say that it was. That you are strawmanning the prior interaction reflects poorly. Same with the comment about sexism not being called out, it's disappointing about what it implies. That's speculation, but even if it weren't, it doesn't debunk anything I said in my first reply. You seem very invested in going "Nuh-uh". as you correctly note, nothing I said contradicts your statements. That's because the point wasn't to debunk you, I agree th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/26 01:47 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone else (particularly Millennial men) feel men were told for a long time to critically examine their looks standards for women, only for this messaging to suddenly and silently disappear when it was discovered circa 2012 that women are no less looks-focused than men?I could find ample research on short term relationship pursuit and OLD indicating that men and women weigh attractiveness equally, but long term relationships weren't so clearly defined. I've found some studies that provided indirect indicators that it is weighed less by women in regard to long term relationships, like this one: Whereas husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained that way over the first four years of marriage to the extent that they had a more attr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/26 01:38 AM |
| 6 | Society's Obsession with Coddling Misandrists, and Why that's a ProblemYeah, once the neurons connected I haven't been able to stop looking at feminism as containing a distinct conservative vein. It just explains too much of these patterns of behavior. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/26 10:57 PM |
| 2 | Feminist student organisation made SoCal gym inclusive - by banishing men - so that "women and non-binary students can exercise with a sense of ease"She said the process involved “a lot of back and forth” because the room is meant to support women and non-binary student groups, but must also remain open to all under University policy. That is direct confirmation that they initially tried to make it exclusionary. I'm glad they failed, and hope that going to the gym as part of that group helps to normalize being around men for those individuals, but nowhere is this sexist behavior being pointed out as negative. Further, while this isn't a hard… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/26 10:45 PM |
| -3 | Does anyone else (particularly Millennial men) feel men were told for a long time to critically examine their looks standards for women, only for this messaging to suddenly and silently disappear when it was discovered circa 2012 that women are no less looks-focused than men?Young Millennial here (1994). It's clear that attitudes have changed at this point, as it was fairly broadly accepted that this claim is/was untrue around the late 2010s / early 2020s, but I don't think the shift away from it is specific to 2012 or there-about. There are multiple contributors here and the ones I am aware of don't exist along the pre/post 2012 divider. For one, the fat positivity movement was more prevalent both before and after 2012, only for it being falling off in the late 201… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/26 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.Based on the wording, I assume that second line bit was generated by AI. Here's a non-AI source for my data: Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that 34% were killed by an intimate partner. By comparison, about 6% of the 17,970 males murdered that year were victims of intimate partner homicide. 4,970*0.34=1,689.8 17,970*0.06=1,078.2 1,689.8/1,078.2=1.567 = ~3/2 And before you try to gotcha this,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 08:16 PM |
| 4 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.No she is specifically choosing not to acknowledge the counterpoint. Her opening statement: The discussion is not about the actual % of men who are violent, it's that one demographic is disproportionately affected by the other. Men murdering women, men sexually assaulting women, men being rapists toward women is all higher than women doing the same to men. ... Men murdering women As OP points out, men kill men x3 times more than men kill women. Further, the actual rate for women killing men is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 06:24 AM |
| 3 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.Babe, men are half the population of the world! Yall are not a minority group. Wow. Apparently you think that racism/sexism only counts as bad if it is being applied to a minority group. No, it's immoral in all conditions and circumstances. 1 in 5 women have reported rape Lie. This Study from 2025 found the rate over a 6 month interval of time for "sexual violence victimization" was 0.46% for college enrolled women. Multiply that by 8 for a 4 year degree and the whole category of "sexual violenc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 02:41 AM |
| – | Men are non chalant bc of womenI think this is on the wrong comment in the chain. This one is mostly responding to the negativity of the prior comment by pointing out that the proportion of marriage is about the same if you only look at those that don't end in divorce by X age, and then following up on a likely reason contributor to why the overall rate of marriage is down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 02:12 AM |
| 7 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.Not just feminism, it's common to the point that "yes all men" can regularly be witnessed outside of feminist spaces. Meanwhile this is literally the first time I've ever heard of AWALT. These two things are comparable in what they represent as phrases, but not at all similar in pervasiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 01:47 AM |
| 2 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.We don't know which men are violent, just that its men. This statement is a lie, and you know it. The same is true for women, the only difference is that the percentage is a little lower (the remaining 10% of that 90%). Does this mean that women should be treated with suspicion as their default state as well? If we go with the ever-popular (and ever-sexist/racist) poisoned skittle analogy, no one would risk eating the skittles if the deadly skittle rate was 1/1000 instead of 1/100, it still "wou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 12:13 AM |
| 5 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.Yes, but with marriages and divorces dropping the implication is that a large part of the marriage drop off is from non-viable marriages not occurring in the first place. There is still a bit of a drop on top of that, but it's closer to a 10-20% drop in marriages (vs the ~70% it would look like when including prior rates for non-viable marriages alongside viable). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 07:08 AM |
| 2 | What do you feel like hinders you most in dating?We need a not-for-profit dating app. Yup, I've spitballed what that would look like multiple times. Ex: whether it should be a non-profit or whether it should be maintained by a state government but offered as a service to the whole nation (ex: California or Washington). The upside of the state approach is prevention of lying. As far as I am aware, the only way to make lying into a crime is for that lie to be communicated to a federal agent in relation to an ongoing case. You could work with the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 12:04 AM |
| 5 | What do you feel like hinders you most in dating?Age 31, working on completing a PhD degree on the functioning of a regulatory cell surface protein. Three issues: First, I'm not interested in the average woman, and no I'm not referring to appearance. My parents had a distinct intelligence gap which resulted in one (1) of them generally being in charge of everything while the other (2) periodically had issues where they misunderstood something important and it caused problems. It also led to mutual frustration, as 2 disliked feeling less compet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 11:32 PM |
| 3 | What do you feel like hinders you most in dating?While I agree that his true rating is likely around 5, unfortunately data suggests that women don't rate men over an even distribution curve (Source . This aligns with older data from the okcupid data set, which showed that in a X/5 system that women rated most men as a 2/5 while men rated most women as a 3/5, with the overall data showing a bias towards rating men lower. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 11:06 PM |
| 2 | What do you feel like hinders you most in dating?I'm not sure about the dating data, but based on prior research into this question I did find that the data supported most people marrying laterally, with some but overall low variation. The hypergamy argument is mostly based off specific app/service data, but those apps/services inherently encourage hypergamous behavior via how they are designed. It's like saying that long lines are an inherent property of getting your license renewed, instead of identifying it as an artificial condition due to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 10:47 PM |
| 4 | What do you feel like hinders you most in dating?At a medical university, this still doesn't fix the issue. The current generation of students (Gen Z) have record low rates of social activity, so actually physically being in places where they congregate as a non-nursing/MD student is difficult. People are a lot more likely to have a couple friends/classmates over to their place for an evening than to head out to a public location, and even when they do there is a much lower willingness to engage with strangers. That isn't even touching how muc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 10:39 PM |
| 3 | What do you feel like hinders you most in dating?1) Tell her that your place is a mess and you would prefer to head over to her place this time. If this fails, go to 2. 2) Hope you have delayed the answer to that question long enough that her accumulated like of you outweighs the "ick" of that knowledge. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 10:34 PM |
| 1 | People who can't trust others at some point become a liability.It's very telling that, at time of writing, all but 1 of the comments with a rating higher than the automoderator response are from women. Seems like a specific group's ears are burning with this prompt. It makes sense though, sexism that is male-negative is currently highly tolerated societally, even if it is as immoral as any other form of character pre-judgement based on biological characteristics. Individuals that hold those beliefs aren't used to having them called out and are more comforta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 10:25 PM |
| 8 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.This mostly applies to older generations, with rates for younger generations having diverged. For example, based on research into current marriage rates vs prior generations: Just over half of all Gen Z men and women will ever marry, according to our new analysis of marriage data from the Office for National Statistics. [...] Whereas 60 percent of women and 41 percent of men born in 1960 married before they were 25 years old, today just 4 percent of women and 2 percent of men born in 1998 have d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 10:22 PM |
| 8 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.To be fair this number has been dropping precipitously with each subsequent generation. Gen Z, at their current age, is exhibiting divorce rates comparable to the silent generation (aka prior to no-fault divorce becoming standard law). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 09:52 PM |
| 1 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.To put this better than the other user, track whether their response includes something about his specific moral character or interests, but not variables that are tied to direct or indirect benefit (ex:hard working is a positive trait but also a beneficial one, while compassionate/empathetic can be mixed because it also means things like giving a homeless guy on the side of the highway a lift while out driving). If you run this test, be sure not to prompt them to give non-beneficial trait answe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 09:50 PM |
| 9 | The manosphere hates seeing men be criticized, so they pretend women are never criticized to justify expressing that hate.People on average trust women more because they are less threatening compared to men. That isn't the part of the WAW effect being referred to. They are referring to things like the distinct pattern of women being more likely to get off for a wrongdoing or getting lesser consequences, the inverse injustice to men receiving greater reward for equivalent labor/achievement. Aka, "equal work for equal pay" is supported broadly, but the idea of "equal punishment for equal misdeed" rarely receives more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Why do toxic guys always seem to have girlfriends, but normal guys struggle?It's sampling bias. The negative guys are more visible in our memories due to those characteristics making them easier to remember in the future. There are 5-10 normal guys walking with their girlfriend across the parking lot after getting groceries and 1 couple that is having a toxic public breakdown, but thinking back only that couple will stand out in the mind of someone observing the scene. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 07:51 PM |
| – | People who can't trust others at some point become a liability.It's very telling that, at time of writing, all but 1 of the comments with a rating higher than the automoderator response are from women. Seems like a specific group's ears are burning with this prompt. It makes sense though, sexism that is male-negative is currently highly tolerated societally, even if it is as immoral as any other form of character pre-judgement based on biological characteristics. Individuals that hold those beliefs aren't used to having them called out and are more comforta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 07:45 PM |
| 7 | People who can't trust others at some point become a liability.OP is referring to sexism (and racism frankly). The point where a view moves from "some of group X have negative trait Y" and becomes "most/all of group X", without any proof of that being the case, resulting in their behavior being altered towards X and members of X having to prove themselves to not possess "negative trait Y". More specifically, OP is likely responding to patterns they've witnessed of people excusing sexist/racist behavior as justified. Individuals that make those kinds of argu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 07:40 PM |
| 3 | People who can't trust others at some point become a liability.OP is clearly referring to the basic "benefit of the doubt" that is employed when you don't know someone, aka neither assuming them to have positive nor negative traits until some indication is known. They just lack the language skill to express this clearly. The issue they are referring to is with individuals who have become so polarized that they instead view all members of a group with one or more negative assumptions instead of a neutral starting position. Their point applies equally to both… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 07:28 PM |
| 3 | Feminist and anti men are posting this studies exggerating the studies.Ikr? A core component is awareness of the other individual's responses, particularly for the one performing the more active component. Even if it makes you uncomfortable that should be viewed as a you problem, not something to hold against the other party. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/26 07:19 PM |
| 2 | How misoginy is measured in academic research: “Study on the relationship between male online groups and attitudes toward violence against women”Were you able to ask these kinds of follow-up question to the researchers? I ask because, as a statistical researcher myself, I know that grad and postgrad students can be quite desperate for data. For example, If you required them, in a written agreement, to include a community sourced response document for "what specific variables users considered important when answering these questions" in the supplemental data of the paper, alongside a requirement that the paper itself reference the existen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/26 06:28 PM |
| 1 | How misoginy is measured in academic research: “Study on the relationship between male online groups and attitudes toward violence against women”This was my first thought as well. Hopefully essay survey research becomes more common in the future, (as exemplified here) the limitation of finite option Q/A surveys is that it requires the creator to already have a relatively strong and unbiased grasp of potential causes and the likely underlying nature of what they are studying in order to create useful outcomes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/26 06:18 PM |
| 11 | I sometimes feel like The Bourgeoisie created and perpetuates modern "Patriarchy Theory" as a tool of divide and rule.Feminism has been used, directly and indirectly, as a tool of capitalism for decades. An example of this is referenced here: That Virginia Slims cigarette slogan debuted in 1968 and spread across ads featuring modern, stylish women juxtaposed with old, black-and-white photos of women doing things like hiding a smoke from their husband. These ads are one example of a major tobacco industry strategy to target women: linking smoking to “women's freedom, emancipation, and empowerment,” as the 2001 U… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/26 06:10 PM |
| 1 | If there are no "Chads", with whom do woman have that much sex?I initially wrote this as a response to OP but then saw this post is "Question for Bluepill" and yours was the next best comment. I should have restructured the first sentence to "OP's article appears to reference the ENVIE survey...", that was my bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/26 03:19 AM |
| 3 | If there are no "Chads", with whom do woman have that much sex?OP's article appears to reference the ENVIE survey (2023) by the National Institute for Demographic Studies (INED), based on this line from the article: 10% of young French females say they’re bisexual, while 5% identify as pansexual. Meanwhile, 2% identify as lesbian, while another 2% categorize themselves as asexual. Which appears to be from this Paper specifically, based on the ENVIE results. My issue with OP's article is that there is only 1 other paper that has been published based on that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 08:38 PM |
| 2 | If there are no "Chads", with whom do woman have that much sex?This appears to be the ENVIE survey (2023) by the National Institute for Demographic Studies (INED), which surveyed the sexuality of over 10,000 individuals aged 18-29. The article has this line: Meanwhile, the new survey out of France found that 19% of Gen Z females in that country identify as something other than heterosexual. 10% of young French females say they’re bisexual, while 5% identify as pansexual. Meanwhile, 2% identify as lesbian, while another 2% categorize themselves as asexual. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 08:19 PM |
| 3 | Men are non chalant bc of womenI can confirm this, every successful long term relationship I've ever seen has had this as a fundamental component. That said, I don't think the current generation are more unfit than priors. Proportionately, both Millennials and Gen Z have had lower rates of divorce than prior generations, to the point that the divorce rate has reached the level of the 1960s (aka prior to no-fault divorce becoming standard law). The rate of marriage overall is lower, but that makes sense if marriages due to soc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Young women (18-24) dont want older men 35+I see. To clarify why I initially responded: you had mentioned changing attitudes as a driver and I countered with changing resource availability as the primary cause of the shift towards support. The next comment was a follow up indicating (implicitly) that, even with age gaps, the normal range of age gap dating wouldn't reach far enough into prior generations to reach a point where there are plenty of available men who are economically secure. If we define "20s" to include up to 29, then the h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Young women (18-24) dont want older men 35+Yes, but advantage doesn't necessarily translate to excess resources. Technically, a poor person with a part time job that barely pays for food and shelter has a financial advantage over a homeless individual, but they could hardly be said to have ample resources. Further, large age gaps aren't very popular. Prior studies suggest that an age gap larger than 10 years is relatively rare, which would mostly remove 40+ from the pol of consideration for women in their 20s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Young women (18-24) dont want older men 35+I wanted to actually comment that maybe women are not interested in 35+ yo men because men stopped being generous. Like in previous generations men were raised in belief that they should pay for a woman. It was way more common to provide for your lover/girlfriend. Tbf, proportionate costs have increased substantially over the last couple decades. The cost of housing (both ownership costs and rental costs), relative to median hourly income, is x2 what it was ~25 years ago. Additionally, the incom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 03:05 AM |
| – | Does the female PPD community actually represent mainstream women?The way you test this on a forum like PPD is by making posts like (Title)Question for Women: How many of you have had multiple partners? (Body) According to a study 29% of surveyed French women aged 25–29 have had sex with at least 10 different men. Is that reflective of your experience, or those of at least 1 woman in your social group around that age? You then compare the answers to the study numbers to get your answer. Asking for people's opinions like this is unlikely to successfully answer … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 02:52 AM |
| – | Does the female PPD community actually represent mainstream women?The 8% is relative to the % of men that responded in the affirmative. OP should have included males rates as well, as that would actually help them make their point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 02:48 AM |
| 0 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.life was simply better than living in the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe Ah, I see now. You've drunk deep of Russian propaganda. That explains things. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/26 03:26 AM |
| 0 | DIY Circumcisions: This has to stopStatement unclear, could you rephrase/reword it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 10:57 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.This is a substantial jump in subject matter. One of these is forced service that is only invoked during a time of national emergency, the others are regular 9-5 jobs that are entirely opt-in. The opt-in job can easily account for women that are willing to invest extra effort to meet physical standards or which naturally have higher than average physical capabilities (in the case of firefighters, there are much lower physical standards for being a Cop). A draft is a blanket emergency action inte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 10:55 PM |
| -6 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.This isn't accurate. Modern military kit (US) averages 100–130 pounds total, and this video places the minimum Ukranian kit as 25kg (55lbs), but that's also the basic non-mission loadout (which matches with US soldiers as well). The most recent study I could find along these lines is from 10 years ago, which found that mixed sex units were outperformed by all male units for 70% of 134 tasks, only exceeding the male teams in 2 tasks. More specifically, it found that: In anaerobic power and capaci… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 09:39 PM |
| -3 | Men’s rights activism faces obstacles at three levelsYou changed your argument, as I suspected you would, abandoning the claim of "a growing number of countries", with only a vague "it is on its way back in Germany", something very different from actually being back. You aren't arguing in good faith. There are real problems being faced by men, systemically, and your choice to focus on one that is materially irrelevant to 99.9% of those you interact with online (overwhelmingly from English speaking and/or non-active draft nations) fails to use a ta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 08:02 PM |
| -21 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.Looking at forceful mobilization in Ukraine, men are already slaves. This isn't a reasonable take. A defensive war against a genuinely hateful aggressor is a fair time for a draft. It might be better if the draft was equal, but total war is one circumstances where the physical dimorphism of humans is actually relevant, as the physical demands on active soldiers are substantial. You could argue that more women should be drafted into support roles, but those lower danger roles are basically just j… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 07:50 PM |
| 7 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.Continued(last bit)... THE PSYCHOLOGY OF RESENTMENT IN NIETZSCHE APPLIED TO GENDER HOSTILITY To offer a philosophical foundation that deepens the critical analysis of this opinion, especially in the face of the escalation of antagonisms between the sexes and the moral selectivity present in the public debate, I resort to the psychology of resentment in Nietzsche. Nietzschean reflection provides a precise conceptual instrument to understand how discourses that intend to combat injustices can, whe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 07:49 PM |
| 8 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.Continued... SYMMETRY AND ISONOMY (ART. 5º, CAPUT, CF): THE PROBLEM OF THE ABSENCE OF MISANDRIA Legislative asymmetry becomes even more evident when we observe that, at the sociocultural level, manifestations of misandry have been progressively normalized in certain segments of public discourse. This phenomenon - although not attributable to all women - appears more frequently, whose rhetoric exclusively prioritizes interests perceived as female and, in some cases, adopts a hostile or derogatory… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 07:48 PM |
| 15 | Misogyny law" of Brazil is sexist, totalitarian and blatant violation of freedom of speech.A source on a legal response to this Law: https://www.direitonews.com.br/2025/12/parecer-tecnico-critico-pl-896-2023-criminalizacao-misoginia-luz-hostilidade-contemporanea-generos.html?m=1 The following text is translated via Google Translate: First of all, I register my position in favor of the criminalization of sex-based hate speech, as long as it is symmetrical, covering both misogyny and misandry. Criminal protection against hate speech is legitimate, but must obey the constitutional princi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 07:48 PM |
| -1 | Men’s rights activism faces obstacles at three levelsIt's something that remains on the books but is missing from practical reality. The only European nations that currently have a draft, and which isn't within a potential threat distance from Russia, is Greece. And almost all those nations have maintained their draft for many decades (and of those nations a number of them expanded it to include a degree of female conscription as well). Outside of them, western nations have moved to an all-volunteers model of military service. Frankly, I have no i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 07:20 PM |
| 1 | Men’s rights activism faces obstacles at three levelsYou are making the mistake of internalized capitalism. Capitalism inherently treats the people with money as "the ones that matter", and so it leads equality based social causes within itself to want "equal representation amongst the people that matter". This perception is inherently unequal, however, and so caring about it means allowing unequal thinking to infiltrate into the discussion. The reality will always be that how 99.9% of the population is fairing will matter more than an extreme min… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 05:49 PM |
| 0 | Men’s rights activism faces obstacles at three levelsPersonally I avoid this point because of it being nonexistent in recent decades in the West, it's too easy to dismiss. Things like male homelessness or the continuing sentencing gap paint a clearer picture. Although those arguments have the hard task of having to fight against the male empathy gap to be recognized, even amongst males, their clear and present reality is more likely to cause men to think on them seriously, even if they still have an initial gut reaction to reject them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 05:32 PM |
| 11 | The most annoying thing about the male loneliness epidemic conversations, is the fact that the Left or feminists usually hate the alternative (that doesn't involve women) to the male loneliness epidemic.Unironically, and as autistic as proposing the idea sounds given it involves simplifying a social dynamic, I think we need some equivalent to an Amulet of Mara on a societal level to indicate a willingness to be approached given how badly the system has broken down. Even if a portion of women engage in bad faith and only wear it when around guys they want to approach them, it would at least provide an acceptable circumstance for approaching for many other women. It might even encourage more wome… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 05:17 PM |
| 8 | The most annoying thing about the male loneliness epidemic conversations, is the fact that the Left or feminists usually hate the alternative (that doesn't involve women) to the male loneliness epidemic.Man, woman, or enby—they're a turbo turd if they think they know the solution to mass psychosis. Tbf people have identified many drivers of the problems, they are just boring and require effort/discomfort to fix so they don't get any traction. Ex: the biggest driver/magnifier of present issues is the societal atomization of individuals via the loss of community, with major drivers being job hopping and poor wages undermining development of local communities and the time sponge of social media le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 05:02 PM |
| 4 | DIY Circumcisions: This has to stopThe Crown Prosecution Service, who, although planning to class circumcision as “potential child abuse” earlier this year, have since backed down. I wonder if this was due to the eternal battle over funding between male issues and being deprioritized for everything/anything else. I say this because "potential child abise" would necessitate studies be commissioned to assess short and long term harm. Simple assessment components, like rates of damaging secondary infection and excess damage from imp… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/26 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Any progress for men is built on quicksand until we address this one fundamental thingI find the continued pervasiveness of the hyper-agency assumption, even in areas where traditional roles have decreased in prominence and pervasiveness, to suggest that it's a more fundamental issue. For example, the traditional expectations of men to be providers and protectors don't inherently necessitate men to possess hyper-agency, and during healthier societal periods (where the community fabric wasn't so absent/unraveled as it is today) it was common to recognize that a man could be the vi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/26 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Any progress for men is built on quicksand until we address this one fundamental thingI disagree on the identification of the root cause. Those other things aren't the basal layer, they exist one layer above the systemic assumption of male hyper-agency. It was in response to this line: ...but we need to go deeper and ask what causes the empathy gap itself. The gap is caused by the internalized systemic misandry of male hyper-agency. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/26 09:39 PM |
| 39 | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.I think perhaps my most misogynistic take is that the primary reason why women do not like prostitution is because it violates the woman union, and the enforcement of the women's market. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider this as a factor. I don't necessarily think it's the primary reason, but with how low tolerance for social discomfort is at present I wouldn't be surprised if that was enough to trigger an "ick" response. This is a prior post on this sub that discusses your general poi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/26 04:33 AM |
| 2 | Any progress for men is built on quicksand until we address this one fundamental thingI disagree somewhat on the cause. When I look at the issue I find it extends from the prior assumption of male hyper-agency (men have 100% control over all their life outcomes), the inverse to female hypo-agency (women have little control over their lives / need more help). It sits at the root of both male expandability and the empathy gap (for example, the lack of empathy for homeless men and their implicit expendability makes sense if everyone thinks "it's his fault"). If we want to address th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/26 12:47 AM |
| 2 | Grading bias against boys and minoritiesI answer this in my response to the prior post, but those individuals are liberals. The whole "identity politics" thing is pushed by liberals sp they can avoid addressing issues of actual substance, like housing and wage stagnation, by providing a shallow "moral" reason to overlook their refusal to check the power of the wealthy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/26 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Grading bias against boys and minoritiesIt makes sense when you look to motive. When there is a conflict of interests, Liberalism sides with money. All the current politicians in the US that are democrats are Liberals, not progressives, with a couple narrow exceptions of Sanders and AOC. The reason that identity politics is so pushed is because it's cheap. Politicians can campaign for "gay rights/feminism/anti-racism/etc", making it appear that they care about the little people by shallowly signaling that they align with "progressive"… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Grading bias against boys and minoritiesI clearly stated the motive. I put it sinply: Liberalism sides with money when there is a conflict pf interest, progressivism sides with people. Liberalism is behind the push for identity politics because it exchanges the addressing of serious systemic problems, like housing and wage stagnation, with identity politics. That's why this sub is literally called "left wing male advocates", it rejects the centrism/center-right perspective of liberalism, including conservative-leaning organizational f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on this video about "Gen Z men sex crisis".I'm also an introvert and at present do work that is highly isolated, and much of my experience matches yours. I often had multiple female friends growing up, including one of my two best friends in college. In my case it didn't go anywhere because we had fundamentally opposed religious beliefs that neither of us were willing to budge on, but amongst the rest of the group I also experienced the same "I think you would be a really good partner" refrain. The best advice I can give is to ask those … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 10:19 PM |
| 3 | Feminism is a mask-wearing Cluster B ideologyI meant antithetical to the philosophical/moral foundation, as feminists that ascribe to the anti-sexism interpretation shouldn't tolerate the purely pro-female advocates as they currently do, in the same way that individuals that are pro-affordable housing oppose individuals that only want to build 1 family suburban homes, as while both groups want more housing to exist that second group is primarily interested in high profit and preserving the market value of current homes (neither of which le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 09:54 PM |
| 1 | Grading bias against boys and minoritiesLiberalism, not the left. It takes very little digging to find people that are actually on the left that advocate on the real war being a class war. It’s liberalism, a center-right belief that acts as though it's actually center-left but ultimately supports capitalism, that is to blame for identity politics. The whole reason identity politics is so pushed in the west is entirely because it's "free". Politicians can act like they are "standing against systemic harm" while targeting things that do… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Grading bias against boys and minoritiesIts amazing how these disgusting progressives have reversed the sexism in our educational institutions. This applies to liberals more than progressives. Progressives generally actually want to help people, while liberals are the ones that get annoyed when they personally might have to put in effort of change how they do something in order to help someone. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 09:13 PM |
| 15 | Feminism is a mask-wearing Cluster B ideologyAs I guy I am skeptical if the Lonliess epidemic of men really conforms to right wing and left-wing categories or that’s just left-wing propaganda. The loneliness epidemic isn't a left or right issue, at least not directly, but instead is a result of social systems failing. Part of that failure is due to prior generations abandoning their responsibilities to maintain social functions that have always been the result of the efforts of older and established community members (community picnics and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 06:27 PM |
| 25 | Feminism is a mask-wearing Cluster B ideologyIt's worth adding that the "men are horrible/women are wonderful" effect is also part of the self-reinforcing loop. The strong bias towards supporting other women is how the constant pivot between "feminism is a female advocacy movement" and "feminism is an anti-sexist movement that supports total equality" is tolerated, in spite of both views being inherently antithetical to each other. This tolerance for disunity on "supposedly" core values contributes to the gaslighting you mention. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/26 06:08 PM |
| 2 | Why do you think so many of you guys fall for the "just world" fallacy?It could be that women were putting up with a bunch of bullshit out of necessity and now men are clinging to a bunch of toxic patriarchal stuff that's not working as often. You are putting the blame on men for "toxic behavior". I'm surprised you are pretending to not understand the very obvious point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 02:11 AM |
| 1 | Why do you think so many of you guys fall for the "just world" fallacy?It could be that women were putting up with a bunch of bullshit out of necessity and now men are clinging to a bunch of toxic patriarchal stuff that's not working as often. This is the just world being talked about. When the question of "why" is raised the first move is to point to moral failings as the driver. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Women need to embrace, modernity all the way.While common, it's also common for species to have low sexual dimorphism, and there are even a small number of species with dimorphism in the opposite direction including females competing for males, like Spotted Hyenas and Phalaropes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 01:55 AM |
| 6 | Men are less emotionally open and more prone to bottle things up because women are not ready to see some parts of men and straight disagree with some of their feelings.Commenting to reinforce this comment as being accurate. I've occasionally commented against misandrist statements on generic subreddits like r/news and have frequently received a torrent of hateful comments in response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 01:44 AM |
| – | Men will never support modern feminism because it exclusively benefits women while trying to lecture and belittle menBoth the feminists in academia and majority of general feminists, historically, claimed the anti-sexism definition. I agree that the definition has changed recently to become reductive and selfish, but that is a relatively recent change driven by pop feminism and radical feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 12:51 AM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)It was always equal pay for equal work. If this was true then feminism should have declared victory and it's adherents moved on to other social causes years ago, as when accounting for differences in hours worked women and men do, in fact, have the same pay for the same work. Some did, but many did not and instead continued to seek to grow the movement. In order to do that... Feminism, to me, has never been about rating men. It was always equal pay for equal work. some changes had to be made, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 03:03 AM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Context for the prior post: "Hoe Math" is a YouTube channel. It got famous for videos coving content like the whole "women date horizontally or up, but never down" data sets, although I disagree with many of the secondary conclusions drawn and the reliance on data from apps and other dating services. Can you show me where feminism is encouraging women to only look at the top men? I have never seen that. It's not direct, but the one example I can think of is the tendency to blame men that have ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 02:16 AM |
| 1 | Gender-based discrimination in history is taught through a gynocentric lens, and we don't think enough about how that might shape our worldviewsThanks, I just wanted to hear your opinion on that bit as well. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/26 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Gender-based discrimination in history is taught through a gynocentric lens, and we don't think enough about how that might shape our worldviewsAnd the other comment? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/26 12:31 AM |
| 2 | Women don't like when men have healthy boundariesI see you are attempting the socratic method, but you are making one of these examples much worse than the other, and that undermines the approach. You were already in a winning position by flipping the genders, just have the woman take a more sexually aggressive / boundary crossing action of the type that is usually associated with men, and then have the man make a large labor request of the woman (something like preparing a dinner for 20 on short notice due to extended family suddenly changing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Women don't like when men have healthy boundariesNot directly adding to this conversation, I just want to express appreciation for this post. This is a solid argument, one that is completely reasonable, and one that you made without overstepping into the pitfalls of overreaching your points or using increasingly hostile language as the post progresses. I've saved this post for potential reference later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Gender-based discrimination in history is taught through a gynocentric lens, and we don't think enough about how that might shape our worldviewsThe downside of using AI is that you can preemptively lose people that would otherwise give your argument a chance. As opposed to adding the AI blurb I would recommend just re-writing the post after the AI has coalesced it. Using AI as a support tool for writing is perfectly fine as long as a human does the post-processing and refinement. Just use the top 2-3 AI checkers to make sure your post registers as human made and drop the disclaimer entirely if all of this is your own ideas and those tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/26 11:32 PM |
| 3 | Liberal feminism uses men as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalismPeople hate to hear this, but it's true. There are very good reasons why Progressives insist on calling themselves that instead of also using Liberal, and one major reason is the liberal tolerance for injustice (up to and including authoritarianism). Look no further than the Dem leadership's continuous support of Israel. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/26 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Liberal feminism uses men as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalismI'm one also. In both our cases we are being actively harmed by our culture of individualism. It's driven people away from forming and maintaining communities where-in people interact regularly and organically, which are exactly the circumstances where neurodivergent individuals can display our best qualities. The whole reason for the current gender war is the alienation that has occurred between different groups due to everyone no longer talking to extended members of our local community, and e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/26 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Liberal feminism uses men as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalismI don't know anything about you. Contextually I would guess you are trans, gay, or an immigrant. Regardless of specific subgroup, the currently highly-individualistic culture offers no protection regardless, so rejecting a refocusing on fixing societal issues on that basis makes no sense. When society and culture is entirely based around atomizing people there is no protection from those with power attacking a specific subgroup, as we have seen with immigrants, because each individual is forced … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/26 09:21 PM |
| 3 | Liberal feminism uses men as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalismA lot of these voices are really centrist liberals that cosplay as left on social media but have no actually appetite for structural change or even recognizing the flaws in the system. They engage as a method of virtue signaling to the in-group, thus their love of purity politics, but aren't willing to recognize the failure points of capitalism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/26 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Liberal feminism uses men as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalismlargely because fighting hierarchy requires a more individualistic position to begin with Uh, gonna strongly disagree with this one. Hierarchy is all about individualism, aka where the individual stands relative to the hierarchical structure. Individualism is how we got the carbon footprint instead of meaningful regulation of climate change, avocado toast and bootstraps and uprooting yourself to change jobs every couple years instead of a minimum wage that scales with inflation, 50 year loans an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/26 07:50 PM |
| 1 | The Blue/Red pill is dead to Gen Z.I don't disagree that there is a market, the problem is that the market itself is warped to the point that functionally only certain goods are being sold. The issue here is that it's like a store that sells both bad foods, like potato chips frozen pizzas, and fresh fruit and veggies, but puts all the advertising into the first group because that has high returns while putting the fruit and vegetables at the back of the store. Unsurprisingly the first group outsells the second by a wide margin, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 05:41 AM |
| 3 | Why do so many women avoid dating inside a communities?Realistically, this is just one of the times where you have to ignore the feedback of the women who don't like that. If we take club/activity communities away as an option then we essentially have nowhere in society left for mingling and meeting people outside of our immediate bubble in an organic context. Given that, by all actual research, women strongly prefer to know a guy in a non-dating context before dating, we have to assume that these women are just personally uncomfortable and are will… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/26 07:22 PM |
| 6 | Why do so many women avoid dating inside a communities?i think when people say that they’re not saying it with the intention of that being how someone finds a partner. They Definitely are though, that's why it's being given as dating advice. I can back up what the prior user is stating, as 20-30 times across different media sources and 2-3 times in person I've seen/heard this advice been given to someone asking about how to date locally instead of relying on apps (the in-person reference was from a conversation with someone who didn't drink and thus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/26 07:13 PM |
| 2 | The Blue/Red pill is dead to Gen Z.What you are talking about is why I put my pill as purple when I first came across this reddit a while back. I read both positions and, while I found parts of what was being discussed to have merit, I found too many points that were either incorrect or irrelevant in the modern context with either side. The one thing I will disagree on is this line: The most prominent Gen Z men today are incels, looksmaxers, or hard right conservatives, or a combination of all three. Those "prominent" Gen Z men a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/26 08:23 AM |
| 1 | If women were physically stronger, we'd be seeing a lot more cases of female on male sexual assault.Actually, yes, this is exactly true. This Paper reports on a number of types of sexual violence that women commit more frequently than men. From the data: You threatened them with a weapon (men's rates increased by roughly 86% while women's rates increased by roughly 302% from the prior generation): Boomer-GenX men (0.60%) / Millenial men (1.12%) Boomer-GenX women (0.58%) / Millennial women (2.33%) So yes, women do use weapons, and at a higher rate vs men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/26 08:09 AM |
| 3 | Why is it that young women are so into kinky sex?This one is a yes but no kinda thing. Perhaps biologically unsurprising, but most women prefer average sized men (physically) but will claim they want larger because of the status related to making that claim and the implied high-value of such men (this divergence can be easily identified both via patterns of sex toy purchases and the output of various surveys over the years). Men tend to perceive women as valuing that far more than they actually do when, in reality, by the time those physical p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/26 07:54 AM |
| 0 | The left are hypocrite when it comes to menI mean, he's 84 years old, I can forgive him losing some of the vigor when most other people in the US in his age cohort have lost 90% of their mobility and are either in an old folks home, hospice care, or are dead. At his point I mostly want to see more young representatives bypass the establishment Dems and take up the banner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/26 07:45 AM |
| 3 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soThanks for the reference, that's a good source. To return the favor, here's a link to the 2014 version that is free to access, so you can reference the document directly in future posts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soI also looked into this, some Canadian data suggests the murder rate between same-sex male couples is ~5% of total murders (proportional to the ratio of straight to gay men in the overall population), when looking at US state data it was around 1.5% (could only find it for 1 state though, so incomplete data set). In either case it didn't substantially change the ratio, moving it up to ~x1.64 if I assumed the higher of the two numbers. I just re-ran the numbers and it would take 20% being from sa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 03:42 PM |
| 8 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soAhh, I see now. You are arguing in bad faith. Unfortunate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 03:46 AM |
| 12 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soThe data is sourced, and while the original links no longer work that's just because the government website changed. This is one component of the 2006 report that the website references, and on page 30 you will find a graph showing perpetrator relationship. 39.9% are mother only and 6% mother+other individual, with 17.6% being father only and 1% being father+other individual, or a total gap of 45.9%(mother) to 18.6%(father), with 17.8% being both parents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soI won't repeat it here, but on a reply higher up I point to data showing that women are actually violent and very similar rates to men, even exceeding men in some categories. Part of this is that violence by men in the US is actually down, and has been trending downwards for decades at this point, and part is that it's appears to be that it's more common for women committing violence to actually be reported that way instead of shrugged off / ignored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 02:17 AM |
| 12 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less sowomen would attempt things like murder or sexual assault at somewhat similar rates This is the case though, (Link to research paper). This is a follow up study from 2020 that found women perpetrating sexual violence at rates comparable to, and sometimes exceeding, men. Additionally, this government murder statistics report says that Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that 34% were killed by an … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 02:12 AM |
| 12 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soA non-professional website that was made in 2008 or earlier being ugly isn't a strong counter argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 01:59 AM |
| 28 | Women are more violent than we think. And men less soI think DV numbers for women would increase if men would report them when they commit it. This is actually factually accurate. A semi-recent study (2020), Generation by Gender Differences in Use of Sexual Aggression: A Replication of the Millennial Shift, was published that looked at a phenomenon that was, at the time, referred to as the "Millennial Shift", where women were found to perform "acts of sexual aggression", up to and including criminal actions, as rates comparable to (and often excee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/26 01:46 AM |
| 6 | Women defend lesbian relationship instability and it exposes the whole narrativeI don’t understand what the point of playing oppression Olympics is. This is a complex statement to address, so it will take a couple paragraphs. Inherent to this and all discussions about the experiences of specific subgroups is the question of whether the conditions being described are accurate, in part because knowledge of severity and extent can help to draw conclusions about the strength and breadth of underlying societal biases, and also because it helps determine the nature of action that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 10:55 PM |
| 4 | Women defend lesbian relationship instability and it exposes the whole narrativeeven i joke how lucky straight people are that they literally meet at the supermarket and it's that easy, your dating pool is the whole world. While I get what you are pointing at as a general concept, society has grown increasingly hostile in it's messaging over the last 2 decades towards the initiation of relationships outside of "designated areas and activities", both for romantic and friendship purposes, and with an additional layer of hostility towards it occurring between individuals of di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 09:52 PM |
| 4 | Women defend lesbian relationship instability and it exposes the whole narrativeThe entire point of this discussion branch is that the idea that "Gay men historically faced equal or greater social stigma" is factually incorrect, as any period and location that you can look up will show a distinctly divergent application of punishment towards gay men vs lesbians, even under conditions where both were targeted. This is a factually accurate assessment, everywhere from Nazi Germany to the Middle East to Communist China featured more extensive and harsher punishment of gay men d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 09:30 PM |
| 5 | Women defend lesbian relationship instability and it exposes the whole narrativeAnd the noteworthy bit is that the openness pattern is trending downwards over time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 09:15 PM |
| 3 | Do you think the number of women who preffer Big/above average genitalia (all things being equal) is propotional to the number of men with said atributes?You can use a > arrow to quote another user. For example, if I put a > at the start of that text (with no space between the > and I) it appears as: I have never heard a woman mention penis size as something relevant to her enjoyment during sex. This is a useful tool for making your replies to be easier to read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 01:37 AM |
| 5 | Do you think the number of women who preffer Big/above average genitalia (all things being equal) is propotional to the number of men with said atributes?A relatively large portion of women need additional stimulation beyond vaginal intercourse to orgasm (anywhere from ~35% to as high as 75% depending on the study), so that may also have been the issue. Or not, as those details aren't mentioned. I just wanted to bring it up if you weren't aware, as it's not uncommon for women who haven't heard that info before and who have struggled with orgasm to blame themselves when it might just be how their biology functions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/26 01:34 AM |
| 1 | Expecting women to have men’s libido is unreasonable.If we do assume that men have a higher default libido then women, and since your are labelled as a blue pill we could also assume that you believe the general argument that people "should have their needs met", wouldn't a logical progression of this idea be that it should be normalized for men (broadly, and high libido women in specific) to have sex outside of their primary relationship, be it multiple romantic partners or simply an assortment of one night stands and/or friends with benefits? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/26 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Men need to have higher standards.This is a discussion forum, literally a "debate" reddit. Why would you come here if words totaling less than 1 page in a book is so frightening to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/26 06:00 PM |
| 5 | Does it Get Better for Women Over 35?Then you probably shouldn't have started this chain with such a negative statement as: I’m guessing just some small irrelevant detail like “Her father died of cancer last week” or something tbh. If you think OP is lying you can just say that, but you didn't so this statement also throws shade as the woman by calling her a liar or a manipulator under the assumption that OP is being honest with his breakdown of events. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 11:09 PM |
| 1 | Men need to have higher standards.The thing is men already have standards, and some kind of wish for them too, but don't formulate them, because none of you talk about what's important for you actually. There are a number of broad standards actually, the problem is that many of them have either begun to be treated as toxic out of hand or are inherently useless to reference in general discussion. For example, the idea of a girlfriend/spouse as one of your closest confidants, if not your closest, was very common for a long time as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 10:54 PM |
| 1 | Men need to have higher standards.Dating, as it exists in relation to individuals outside your immediate community, is definitely a market. When you can't draw on an individual's personal history through either your own knowledge or the knowledge of your community network (friends, family, community elders, etc) then the incentive weight more heavily on initial impression and thus the presence of desirably qualities that are immediately obvious, favoring variables like attractiveness and charismatic conduct, over ones that requi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 10:29 PM |
| 13 | Men need to have higher standards.The issue here is that no broad group in society is going to back men taking this position. (1) Women won't support it because men viewing "staying single" as highly undesirable maximizes their bargaining power. (2) Companies won't support this because married men are viewed as more desirable workers (because their inherent need for stability makes them easier to abuse), while at the same time preferring unmarried women (they dislike pregnancy due to lost work hours). (3) The government won't su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 09:45 PM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADThis really depends on your local environment. The largest variable by far is whether this guy has access to any kind of recurring social or community event/task/hangout/etc that is attended by women in his age range. Women overwhelmingly prefer guys they have seen and interacted with positively in a social context (it's how 70-90% of relationships started in the past), and the guy in question is far more likely to connect with a young woman that is otherwise "off the market". My recommendation … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 01:18 AM |
| 2 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADI know it comes from a place of insecurity I'd say it might be the opposite. She was insecure about her past because she was previously comfortable with having fun and letting go, but once she came across someone that she was interested in long term she felt ashamed of her personal behavior, thus hiding it, and played out events differently because she didn't want it to end the way all those relationships did. In this case I would attribute your own reaction more to the breaking of trust due to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourseI disagree with this, both because it's based on the selection effect of your own life and circumstances, and because during college a large chunk of the people I would hang out with were women and a few times when they were chatting while I was working on some assignment off to the side they made some very unfair "all men are X" comments, after which an "except you MonochromaticPrism" when they remembered I was there. While I won't say that all women have those attitudes, I will say that I neve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/26 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Never settle” has slowly morphed into “never compromiseIn trying to avoid “settling,” many women end up alone longer than they expected this statement is correct but here's the thing, women are okay with that and they actually know this. This doesn't match with the prior statement. People rarely hold expectations for their own life path where they aren't disappointed by if things turn out otherwise. If women aren't paired up for longer than they expected, then that's most likely a negative from their perspective. It's a negative they are willing to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/26 10:11 PM |
| 1 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealDo those young men actually want a marriage for themselves to a real woman who is a peer? Or is it just that they think traditional marriage (that isn’t a reality anymore) is a positive institution in society in the abstract… but don’t want it for themselves? The "not all" in this example is actually a minority of them, most of them do want to get married. The biggest complaints haven't been about viewing marriage as unreasonable/unattainable but about the lack of effective ways to meet women th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 10:32 PM |
| 8 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealYou’re treating attraction like a policy failure. I'm clearly talking about the shared public discourse around attraction, not attraction itself. No one owes consistency between what sounds healthy and what feels exciting. We owe honesty in our public discourse, including in the things we present as true. There is no punishment for not doing so, but we owe it just as we owe politeness and understanding to service workers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 07:42 PM |
| 6 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealI am not a “boomer”. This is how lots of young men view marriage— as a miserable fucking slog they have to put up with as a last resort to get sex. I'm going to have to disagree here. The reason that argument is "Boomer" is because they propagated it, not that you are, and that in turn is due to their high rates of divorce and what they saw in their own parent's relationships. It's why "marriage bad" is a running joke in so much of their comedy (and Gen X for some reason). The rates of divorce h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 07:34 PM |
| 7 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealI know, I was that good woman ignored in her late teens and early twenties. I was sooo looking for a husband back then, but I was nerdy, bookish, and dumpy. Part of the current societal issue is that young men that would have been into you for exactly those reasons during this period (save perhaps "dumpy" depending on your definition) tend to be much less accessible due to how much we have allowed education to become crammed. I personally knew a lot of young men that would have been interested s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 06:58 PM |
| 3 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealI think this is mostly a disconnect in "who" is doing the messaging. If it's mostly parents, publics entities, and/or feminist (puritanical-vein) identifying individuals (male and female) driving much of the messaging young women get exposed to, then they are going to believe the incongruous idea that displayed beauty isn't rewarded with interest, in spite of all available data showing males are overwhelmingly visually motivated. Parents lying or using their resource control to prevent their dau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 06:39 PM |
| 16 | If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that idealThat's part of why these discussions exist though. If there is a disconnect between the messaging and lived actions then it's possible that the message is what's unreasonable, not necessarily people's actions. The follow up question would be whether we should instead be encouraging a standard that more consistently appeals to a broader range of people. That's part of why a lot of guys around here tend to bring up "don't be fat", as that is as close to a universal variable to increase dating succ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/26 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.My implicit statement is that I don't think there are enough gay men to sustain more than a niche market. The best I could imagine men being marketed in this role to women would be functioning in the courtesan role, as the requirement for a wider skill set and thus the ability to provide one on one engagement beyond purely sexual gratification might hit a broad enough range of attractors, at least for some equivalent of an onlyfans that instead operates on 1-to-1 sessions and time slots. However… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 01:43 AM |
| – | What makes you not to want to date a woman?The aloof bit might explain some of it, while people talk about guys as initiators it's actually very common, particularly in none bar or club settings, for guys to only explicitly approach when a woman has sent a strong implicit signal of some kind. I can only speak personally when answering this, but thinking of the individuals I've been turned off by it was finding out the person was small minded or bigoted in some way, when they were overweight or higher (family has a lot of obesity, it had … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 01:22 AM |
| 3 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.Saved this, thanks. Part if why I visit these forums is to hunt down studies that conflict with how many people assume society and individuals to function. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.Men are heavily visual, it's why men consume more porn while women consume smut, both groups have their preferences. This is a non-solution since the market for men is just too small. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/26 12:28 AM |
| 1 | Everyone wants validation, but the redpill and their ilk take it too far.Did personality suddenly become irrelevant? There's also feels like a lack of appreciation for shared values. I can't think of something that is more immediately offputting, regardless of attractiveness, than seeing something like casual cruelty towards someone in the service industry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 10:00 PM |
| 4 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.Ah, you aren't engaging in good faith discussion, I see. You should probably change your tag, as you clearly feel very strongly in favor of BP positions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.Of course you’d want a hot guy to sexualize you if you’re attracted to him and want something with him. In any other case, sexual attention is unwanted and scary. This is a problem because society operates via shared physical spaces and men are inherently visually sexual. Going out with intent to attract the attention of a subsection of men requires accepting that you will attract off-target attention as well. Regardless of if a woman likes or dislikes that reality, it needs to be accepted. Othe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 06:40 PM |
| 2 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.I don't think you are being fair here, this is one of those things that varies massively with who is approached. While not in the romantic context, I've experienced times where I've either seen someone treat a stranger cruelly or experienced such surprising cruelty myself. I remember not so long ago when there was a spike in Tik Tok / YouTube videos of young women purposefully baiting in men with signs of interest only to reject them, quite unkindly in some cases (I worry this led to a higher oc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 06:23 PM |
| 2 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.This is only partially true. For a good long time there were generally accepted societal rules around these interactions. By far the largest was a large willingness to extend to others the "benefit of the doubt" that their behavior was genuine and to treat people, if not kindly, at least politely while in their direct presence. Violating these principles, almost regardless of context, would result in personal negative social outcomes (often to reputation). This buttressed social interactions by … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 06:11 PM |
| 7 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.The very fair counterpoint to this is that there is a very high occurrence of "victim mindset" in individuals claiming to be feminist. No, I don't this this is all feminists, but it's a large enough portion that I'm sure anyone here that has frequented the relevant spaces can attest to seeing such patterns expressed with great regularity, regardless of personal willingness to excuse the behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.That last bit is why I periodically visit this sub. I will occasionally come across a new baseline piece of social information or an observation about an under-appreciated dimension of social interaction that I hadn't considered, and I feel the richer for being able to add those components into my own views (after doing some additional research to verify the author wasn't mistaken or making things up, ofc). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.Because they aren't also punishing written content, for one. Studies have overwhelmingly shown that men are visually sexually stimulated while women desire high emotional content in their sexual content, which is frequently best delivered via writing. A law that punished accessing video based content is a law that overwhelmingly targets one of the two sexes in the overall population. In the US such a law would have grounds for being struck down due to violating the 14th Amendment. Edit: To furth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 05:45 PM |
| 5 | Feminists will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that women objectify themselves whenever it's convenient, and would rather demonize male sexuality instead.Stage 1: Society encourages men to cold approach women. Because that shows a man is confident, and have "game/rizz/aura" (I.E. cringe). Encourage men to be hypersexual. In order for men to not look gay, odd, or less masculine in the eyes of women. Stage 2: And the next part (you guys are going to love this part /s). Society then demonize men for being sexual predators. Saying how uncomfortable men make women feel when they approach them. Saying how men objectify women's bodies and don't see wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pillers here are probably more misogynistic then the Red Pillers.Yeah, it's always been very clear that TRP is an emotional response driven movement based off very real grievances and systemic failure points. They often aren't accurate in their identification of the underlying cause, but they are 100% correct that the problems exist, are serous, and deserve serious engagement. What I find so disturbing about TBP is that, in spite of making the explicit claim of caring about truth and systemic harm and often having the better overall quality of argument, they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 05:19 PM |
| 5 | Blue Pillers here are probably more misogynistic then the Red Pillers.Huh. After 7 hour I would have expected better from the top response. OP is clearly referring to the lived reality of many Blue Pill interactions seen here, and while I wouldn't generalize to "all blue pills" it's common enough that it's a fair criticism, particularly since other blue pills rarely comment to correct such statements. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is extremely dangerousSounds like a feminism that's afraid to admit it. The desire to claim all alternatives to feminism are feminism acktually is part of what people find off-putting, because no, there are distinct differences. But you did provide a living example of just the kind of off-putting attitudes that are pushing people away from feminism, intentionally or not, so thanks I suppose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 06:34 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is extremely dangerousBut I think feminism is unlike Christianity (or at least, modern American Christianity) in that feminism isn't as extensively dominated by a crazy segment as Christianity is. This is entirely my point. Evangelicals only make up about 35% of all Christian in the US, yet based on exposure most people would guess they are 80% or more. Similarly, toxic, pop, and extreme feminists have the most public facing activity, and so the whole group is characterized by them. Unlike Christianity, however, ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 02:41 AM |
| 2 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?I am so happy all you have are stats and not real world experiences in domestic and sexual violence against women How else are we supposed to check if our personal experience is representative of the larger world or if we just had shitty luck? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 02:25 AM |
| 0 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?Do you not understand how percentages work? I guess that explains your confusion. Low or high per capita is still a flat value. I am talking about the ratio between two separate values. That Canada having a lower murder rate is irrelevant, the only thing that would matter is if the rate of intimate partner murder was different between same sex and opposite sex different groups relative to each other and relative to the US. As I said, given cultural similarities between both nations this should o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 02:20 AM |
| 0 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?I was compensating for the next numbers you would likely use as an excuse to justify your position, as the cultures of the US and Canada are similar enough that a difference in that a proportional difference number would be expected to only be a couple percentage points. It seems you don't actually have an interest in determining truth, however, given your responses. How disappointing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 01:12 AM |
| 0 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?The point I mention is backed up by other sources, likethis gov report that says that 34% of 4,970 murders reported to law enforcement were from an intimate partner (4970x0.34=1689) while for males it was 6% of 17,970 (17,970x0.06=1078). I found a Canadian report that found same-sex intimate partner murders account for 5% of total intimate partner murders, so if we remove 5% of 1078 we get 1023 murders. 1689/1078= 1.56, or a rate of x1.56. This is a tiny risk gap, the rate is only different prop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/26 12:03 AM |
| 1 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?This is a poor example. Cops are an opt-in entity and have long and well documented history of both legal wrongdoing and going out of their way to protect their fellows from consequences. That ACAB is true is backed up by how many short career cops have gone on record that the reason they quit was due to the rampant corruption and that they started being targeted by other cops when they pushed back against that culture. Men aren't opt-in, they are born male, so whatever the actions of other men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 11:38 PM |
| 1 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?This is the role of humane treatment vs outcome oriented treatment. Both have their place, but for many issues a form of permanent stop-gap is the best we can do. It's the same as though, in this example, the veteran had an arm limb blown off but didn't suffer from ptsd. He would still need to use various aids for the rest of his life, as we currently have no way of restoring his arms and returning him to his prior state. Depending on the severity of the trauma it may have caused permanent brain… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 11:26 PM |
| 1 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?I can only point to prior research showing this isn't the case. The most important point is that we are at a 60 year low point for all kinds of violence. Rates of sexual coercion and aggression for the purpose of sex, including assault, have been repeatedly found to actually occur at similar rates between men and women. This is one of the papers on the phenomenon (the NIH abstract is linked, I couldn't find a free copy of the paper), a larger follow up study to a previous one that found the same… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 11:14 PM |
| 1 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?I will quote from another discussion, but this won't be seriously resolved until we can honestly talk about the false data and propaganda around the level of danger women actually face from relationships. Is [it] the same as [women] being stalked, harassed, raped and potentially murdered by our dates? This isn't true. Rates of sexual coercion and aggression for the purpose of sex, including assault, have been repeatedly found to actually occur at similar rates between men and women. This is one … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 11:01 PM |
| 1 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?Actually this isn't true either, there is evidence to suggest that rates of murder are similar as well. Currently, women are ~x1.5-1.8 (depending on source) times more likely to be murdered by an intimate partner than a man, which is a tiny gap already when it comes to population statistics, but there are known holes in the reporting and investigation of a large portion of male domestic homicides and it's been speculated that the number is actually much closer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 10:57 PM |
| 1 | How Can We Hold Space for Male Victims of Violence While Acknowledging Women’s Safety Concerns in Dating?It's mostly due to a societal background concept often referred to as male hyper-autonomy, or the assumption that men have substantial, near 100%, control over the outcomes in their lives. It's both why homeless men receive less help and sympathy and successful men are viewed as "self made". The second part is well acknowledged, as it has caused repeat issues with women not receiving proper credit for their work, but not so for how it affects men that suffer negative outcomes. It's a behavioral … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is extremely dangerousMe too wasn’t just women falsely accusing men so let’s stop with that narrative. Outside of very extreme spaces (the kinds that are too small of a total population to be worth bringing up when considering social issues) I haven't heard this as a complaint. Rather, the most common criticism is that the shotgun approach of the movement (moving from guilt occurring only after evidence to it instead being innocence that needs to be proved) resulted in harm to many innocent individuals (while the num… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 10:20 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is extremely dangerousWhile OP is incorrect due to overgeneralization, the kind of harsh behavior they are referencing is consistent to specific groups in feminism, those often being the loudest voices. It's very similar to how Christians get lumped in with Evangelicals due to their hateful rhetoric being the most platformed due to a willingness to throw the teaching of Jesus under the bus when it conflicts with conservatism and the Prosperity Gospel being a very agreeable message to wealthy individuals. The group th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is extremely dangerousThe law must always assume innocence before guilt. To do otherwise would make the law into a tool for the unjust. We can see an extreme form of that right now with how immigrants are being assumed of lawbreaking and/or not having valid ID, regardless of the truth. But in cases where they can’t mentally handle it, what should happen? A lack of evidence means innocence before the law. Until we develop some kind of consistent lie detection this will always be the standard. A woman can still pursue … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 09:50 PM |
| 0 | Feminism is extremely dangerousWithout video evidence or a third party witness it's extremely hard to provide a sufficient standard of proof, although physical assault has been studied enough that you can establish a convincing level of proof in the case of violent sexual assault (patterns of bruising, skin abrasions, etc). However, allowing less reliable proofs to be used as evidence within the public space isn't the answer. Even in the context of #MeToo, it was the individuals for whom a pattern of behavior could be establi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 09:44 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is extremely dangerousIt's telling that this post is so heavily downvoted in a forum that specifically disables casual access to that feature. As for what OP is saying, they are incorrect due to overgeneralization from specific groups in feminism being the loudest voices, the same way that Christians get lumped in with Evangelicals due to their hateful rhetoric being the most platformed due to the Prosperity Gospel being very agreeable to money'd interests. The group they are referring to definitely exists, though, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 09:30 PM |
| 2 | As a man, Why am I not allowed to argue with women?I think there is definitely a higher standard placed on men to maintain a level tone and avoid explicitly inflammatory language during an argument vs women, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that men "aren't allowed to argue with women". I've argued with women in person many times, at some points heatedly, and haven't run into this issue. I tentatively assume this is because I only argue when I have confidence in my point and generally kept my voice at least 5-10 decibels lower, but this sample… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 08:35 PM |
| 1 | The "Emotional Labor" Argument Is Wildly overplayed by women.Good high effort comment. The man then starts thinking he is an awful partner and how he can't do anything right. This behavior depends very much on how it is displayed. I know people that outright respond with this kind of thought ("well, apparently I can't do anything right"), but this usually occurs (where I have been able to verify it) because they were raised in a toxic manner where some form of "I'm sorry, I'll work towards modifying my behavior in the future." wasn't good enough for one o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/26 07:03 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeYour gaslighting shall not prevail you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 01:46 AM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeAh, you are a troll. I see I was wasting my time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 12:31 AM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all time<image> That pie is entirely unsourced. For all I know it's referring to net/total marriages, which would obviously have a higher proportion on non-internet initial meetings. You are correct that I mis-quoted the original source, the meeting are indeed generalized to "online". This chart includes the information source used, the "How Couples Meet and Stay Together (HCMST)" longitudinal study, which is the source of the 50% number. Also, the rate is higher than 50% because the chart chose to corr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 12:28 AM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeAnd the statistical relationship between viewer opinions and the true thoughts of the average viewer has been studied and found to track with each other. It is a valid method of analysis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/26 12:26 AM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeYour comments aren't making sense. Your previous statement was in opposition to ComfortableJeans, implying that you think that the bar is on the floor, which I was countering by pointing out how the top response already answers your question. The bar isn't on the floor "as a rule", it's on the floor "for specific men only". The bar is very much not on the floor for men that do not fall into that category, and to act otherwise is disingenuous. Why this is a problem is that previous studies show t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 11:36 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeI've never seen a video with 500,000+ views about something opinion based, something that invites discussion, the exact kind of video that contains a statement like "Dating is so easy, you just have to be normal.", have the top comment only have 100 upvotes. The current video "ICE & DHS: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" has just shy of 10k likes on the top comment, with total views at 2.5 million, and I very much think that as an egyptian american i never thought i’d be so happy and relieved … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 11:31 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeYou can sub-verify by checking for the most upvoted comment on those videos. If they are in support of the messaging then, yes, you can assume the majority of viewers support that sentiment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 10:33 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeEven if we limited it to only "just don't be fat" women still have an higher success rate for getting a first date if they initiate. Further, A 2023 study by DatePsychology found that nearly 45% of men aged 18–25 have never approached a woman in person, with the primary reasons given being "fear of rejection" and "fear of social consequences". The study is part of a longer trend that shows an increasing hesitancy amongst men to be the one to approach (a trend that, unfortunately, isn't taken ser… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 10:28 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeIs the same as us being stalked, harassed, raped and potentially murdered by our dates This isn't true. Rates of sexual coercion and aggression for the purpose of sex, including assault, have been repeatedly found to actually occur at similar rates between men and women. This is one of the papers on the phenomenon (the NIH abstract is lined, I couldn't find a free copy of the paper), a larger follow up study to a previous one that found the same, you can Google "the millennial shift in sexual vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 10:10 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeand only someone with a lot of social anxiety or a complete lack of socialization would turn to them as a primary option. While this feels intuitively accurate, a number of studies have shown that more than 50% of current couples met through a dating app. This either means that the majority of men have "a lot of social anxiety or a complete lack of socialization", which I don't believe to be the case, or there is a secondary driver that is resulting in fewer in-person connections and thus is dri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 09:47 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeIf it’s “normal” as in “enjoys things normal people like”, like having fun, enjoying a hug from a loved one, not wanting to see people hurt, it’s more be a base expectation in that LACKING these traits will make many women not want to date you. Most of this isn't a good faith example. I have never met a single male, of any age, that dislikes having fun or hugging a loved one. I have known men that want to see people hurt, but even then it's overwhelmingly been expressed for people for whom that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 09:26 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeI think you are missing his point. By "traction" he's referring to number of views. If these kinds of posts/videos are putting up viewership numbers comparable to (insert preferred high traffic content creator of choice) posts/video uploads, then yes, it does mean that these kinds of sentiments represent a meaningful (and potentially growing) % of the population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 08:58 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeI feel as though a common sentiment from even the women, even here is more along the lines of "Yeah, dating is harder for men, but it is what it is." That last bit is where it becomes a problem. There is a willingness to acknowledge unfair standards, but since those standards are biased in their favor there is broad resistance to serious discussion of changing them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 08:50 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeCheck the top comment. The counter to "the bar is on the floor" is that said bar is on the floor, but it's the 5th floor, and floors 1-4 can be bypassed with "already be attractive to me". The rejection of that point, and others similar to it, is the whole point of this post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 08:47 PM |
| – | "Dating for men is so easy. You have to be normal" Is one of the most cringe and false statements of all timeTbf, there is actually a fair bit of hard-but-indirect data to indicate just how bad things are. For example, pickup culture / cold approach was always an extreme minority of relationship initiations statistically, with the vast majority of relationships starting through community connections (particularly regular social events/activities where individuals repeatedly shared a social space). The loss of the social fabric, on the societal scale, due to our other sources of entertainment outweighin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/26 08:37 PM |
| 4 | «The Male loneliness epidemic is a good thing because it means women's freedom» -Elizabeth Lemay, on francophone channel of the Federal state-sponsored radio-station.I missed this post, but to provide another aspect of this, the romantic relationship between a man and woman is held up by society as sort of the supreme/highest form of relationship. Your best friend, your closest confident, the one who is partnered with you through thick and thin. To individuals that are suffering from loneliness and struggle to make even 1 or 2 connections, making a single deep connection seems far more achievable than building the traditional network of social bonds (a netwo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/26 06:36 AM |
| 4 | One solution to how the left can improve their chances with young menYup. The actually reason they are losing support is because the general situation still isn't improving. Income still isn't keeping pace, housing is just getting further out of reach, the death of community continues to march onwards unopposed, and the Democratic Party flatly refuses to address any of them by even making material policy proposals (much less actually passing them). It's not even like those things would only help men, they harm everyone, it's just that they have side effects that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/25 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Sexual Aggression: What is the Millennial Shift?Prior research shows that females with pedophilic tendencies occur at a rate of around 1:2-1:3 to males, making up close to ~0.5% of females vs the ~1.5% seen in males. That specific issue is more a case of pedophiles infiltrating positions that enable them, which is a fairly standard risk for all hierarchical power structures, as opposed to anything to do with potential shifts in female behavior patterns. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/25 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Why do rich men want other men to think our masculinity is under threat?Yeah, it's weird. Like, it's not even that uncommon a tidbit of knowledge that pink (dilute blood/washing a wound) used to be a boy's color and blue (association of blue with the Virgin Mary) a girl's. And even then, these preferences were extremely weak. It wasn't until gendered marketing started to be utilized in advertising that this became a hangup. I think a major driver is that too many people are taught to do and think things "just because" and then become comfortable doing so, or at leas… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/25 08:28 PM |
| 1 | Why do rich men want other men to think our masculinity is under threat?I'm from a similarly non-standard story. Both parents were small business owners that performed strength agnostic labor (artists for things like book covers, surgery diagram art, children's book illustrations, a lot of variety). Dad loved to cook and do gardening, and since our home was out in the wilderness so anything that needed being done was done by whoever was available, be it chopping wood / firing up the stove, hauling groceries, etc. There was a strong tendency for some tasks to be male… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/25 08:20 PM |
| 5 | The backlash against male heterosexualityWhat lead me to the 1960s initially is that it's where a lot of variables seem to go wonky / patterns become notable. It's where the earliest stages of the housing crisis started creeping into the dataset, along with wage stagnation and increasing median marriage ages for both sexes (which is a different type of historic indictor for loss of societal stability, financial independence, and future confidence experienced by the youth of the day). It's in the range where TV started to hit it's strid… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/25 07:54 PM |
| 1 | "The Millenial Shift": Millennial SATrends Are Drastically Different Than Previous GenerationsIt could potentially be represented by increased error bars on any graphical representations and by a lower p-value, but beyond that the reported ratios would be the same. That said, I wouldn't expect them to factor that in given that variance in human memory doesn't have a precisely known/consistent error rate and thus any estimates as to it's effect would be nearly blind and this risk introducing further/worse bias into the data. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/25 12:39 AM |
| 3 | Major news outlets rebrands "male loneliness epidemic" as "loneliness epidemic"You're confusing the left with liberals, which are right-leaning centrists. It's an easy mistake since they loudly claim to represent the left but you can tell they are full of it since they continually have no interest in seriously addressing issues like the housing crisis and wage stagnation (both issues that underpin the collapse of community, a problem that directly causes a litany of knock-on issues, including the male loneliness epidemic). Talk to actual lefty individuals and we are consta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/25 12:12 AM |
| 6 | The backlash against male heterosexualityu/Sleeksnail is correct, when each and everyone one of us first started paying closer attention to the systems and social patterns of the world around us it was in our teens. If you first started noticing a problematic pattern around then, odds are high that those issues predate your introduction to them. Those experiences work well as a starting point, as you know "this issue extends back to at least X year", but you need to follow up with an investigation to see if the problem originated at an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/25 09:11 PM |
| 8 | Male privilege explained - a rebuttal92% of ceos may be men, but what percentage of men are ceos? The answer is the same as to the question: "Why do these women only care about the gender distribution at the top of the system and not evening out the numbers for careers like garbage worker? (95%M, 5%F)" It's because a lot of these writers / creators either view themselves as, or are, upper class, and so they only care about making the world "fair" in the area that has the most potential to benefit them. It's because many of them hav… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/02/25 05:22 AM |
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