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But I'll advance that it is because women have other resources to get rid of the opposite sex. I recall reading that in the US even intimate partner muder was symmetric until around the time women's shelter became commonplace. Then woman-on-man murder rates dropped while the man on woman stayed constant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/22 07:41 AM
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They do. They try to tie men's issues into a gynocentric framework where men's disadvantages are merely a side effect of society's unfair treatment of women. Of course, this etiology is false once you consider the fact that systemic misandry has increased just as patriarchy has decreased. Education gap, courts, police in DV cases, media all have worsened the position of men just as women have been liberated. What this means is that if patriarchy as a hypothesis is supposed to explain men's suffe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/22 08:06 PM
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Why should we accept such a weak definition? If I were to add on the condition "... AND the ruling men act to increase systemic advantages for men and systemic disadvantage for women." would I be less correct? Which one of us is right? If we talk purely from connotations of the word patriarchy, then my definition is closer to the mark. Or do you think we shouldn't define words as close to their perceived meaning?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/22 04:22 PM
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Eh. I wouldn't say that. All socieities have gynocentric tendencies due to primal instincts to protect women. But often there are forces pulling in the opposite direction, typically by religious trad cons. The latter forces start out strong but drastically weaken as a country industrializes, but the former strengthen, leading to the pendulum swinging to the other side rather than equalizing gender relations. I have no qualms stating that Saudi Arabia is not gynocentric at all and in fact is a pr…
/r/MensRights08/08/22 05:55 AM
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The best way to describe social democracy is that it's the most right wing/free market end of the political spectrum that's still left of neoliberalism.The vast majority of reddit identifies with something like this and it seems to have attained the status of common sense™. Of course, lefties have a bad habit of infighting and puritanism which will lead many to deny socdem is left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/22 09:58 PM
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Exactly my thoughts. But if the media's propaganda campaign against Johnny Depp is any indication, even personal accounts will not change the fact that it's going to be a severely uphill battle.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/22 09:46 PM
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It is absolutely crucial that a mainstreaming MRA movement make its nest in the left wing isle, for otherwise it will slowly become bigoted due to the nature of partisan politics. Then the question becomes, how do we make in-roads in left wing communities. I'm of the opinion that evidence based arguments that resort to throwing statistics don't appeal to left wing movements when it comes to gender politics because our adversaries can quickly reach for the good ol' "misogyny!1!" . So the other al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/22 09:41 PM
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Stupid bitch. Unfathomably based
/r/MensRights28/07/22 08:57 PM
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Oh no, I wasn't accusing you of weaponizing. You seem like a great person to me. I guess I was over-analyzing and being super scientific. I think if I had to say, masculinity could be considered a component of, or a determinant of a man's "meaning of life", which means you get to decide for yourself what it is as an ideal and make it cohere with the rest of your values and pursuits. A bit flowery in language so I guess I'll give you a specific example. For me, my masculine ideal would be three t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/22 05:06 PM
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I think these terms are more harmful then helpful. They're clearly unscientific since they're constructs used within ideological fields such as sociology of gender/gender studies where they're not really validated so you can draw any conclusion you want. Then you have politically suspect terminology such as "hegemonic masculinity" and "toxic masculinity" which are so vague as to be readily weaponized. To speak of male behavior or male disposition, you can be more precise by talking about biologi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/22 04:30 PM
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Obviously. But what about the boys that will be hurt from lack of male role models? It's a trade off. Where you side on this trade off depends on your values (consequentialist vs. deontological spectrum). But at least be open about the fact that there's a trade off and people can rationally disagree. In defence of consequentialist approach, I'd say that we have such an approach for other things too. It can seem quite unfair that a person who got rich through hard work is taxed more. That is unti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/22 12:22 AM
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Based
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 11:13 PM
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Can't understand the downvotes. My god this sub is becoming low quality. Some quotas can have externalities, especially in client-facing work. Male employee quotas in nursery, therapy etc. is going to have positive outcomes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 11:12 PM
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Eh. Some quotas can have positive externalities. So for example, a male teacher quota in elementary school will lead to little boys having a male role model which many lack due to fatherlessness and female dominance in elementary teaching. Similar comments apply to therapy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/22 11:09 PM
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Oops. I actually know that thread. What I meant was critical discussion was banned after that thread. A quick search for 'Duluth Model' gives indirect evidence for this: no thread ever since the unpacking thread. Heck, one thread I found after that search literally brought up a thread that was positive about a new variant of the Duluth Model that also excluded male victims. A comment asking about female perpetrators gets deleted. Coming back to the unpacking thread, I don't see where the mods sp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 01:28 PM
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That was the epitomy of MensLib's evil. Heck, it even traumatized the male feminists there and they downvoted the "expert" en masse. The mods offered no apology and they even banned people for making the connection between feminism and Duluth Model. No subsequent discussion of DM was allowed. I wonder if any menslibbers woke up after that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 12:43 AM
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Hahahaha. They also have a whip handy which they use to lash other men and themselves if they accidentally gasp become too critical of feminism!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 12:35 AM
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Congrats on finding your way here! I'm sorry for your abuse. And I'm sorry for the amount of gaslighting and victim blaming you and many others have gone through in otherwise progressive circles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 12:30 AM
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Bruh why'd you have to be so long-winded. Just say that men's average life outcomes aren't any better or worse on average, but rather more variable. Hence both those on the top and bottom are mostly men. In other words, there's a glass floor too. Thus saying "this glass ceiling proves the patriarchy" is very myopic. ^ There, I said it in one paragraph.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 12:18 AM
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There are still woke-critical sceptics like Jerry Coyne's whyevolutionistrue blog.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 12:13 AM
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Note also that evolutionary psychology predicts that males are more disposable than females. Sperms are metabolically cheap to produce in the millions, while pregnancy is metabolically costly. This difference is generally accepted by many MRA advocates in other contexts. It also predicts that men will be disposable in war in ways that women are not, that men will be significantly overrepresented in dangerous jobs, and other objects of MRA complaint. In terms of physical fitness, men are more sui…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 12:11 AM
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Anyone aware of the demographic composition of menslib? How many of them are actually women larping as men? And how many genuinely self-flagellating men? I ask this because there is helluva overlap between that sub and femosphere subs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 01:47 PM
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You and Warren Farrel are phenomenally based.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 01:43 PM
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Yes. Pleasantly surprised to find that most people there are liberal women who identify as feminist. They're criticism of anti-Depp feminist groups is that they're not "real" feminist, they're misandrists (It's absolutely awesome that they use the word misandry. I hope that word gains more traction). Honestly this confuses me as to how we go about defining feminism. Should we define it as what most self-identified feminists believe in/act on among the population at large? Or what the leading fem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 01:37 PM
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We're probably going to be perceived as a serious threat as we grow. There's clearly a need among left wing men for men's issues. Hence why they set up that controlled opposition sub which I won't name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 01:26 PM
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Yes I've seen this so many bloody times. It's so hard to tell if they're arguing in bad faith are so lacking self-awareness that they're unaware of the fact that they're performing mental gymnastics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 01:22 PM
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Oh okay. The source I read the proportion of marriages in 70s and 80s that reached at least the 25th anniversary. Which clearly is going to be less (30%) than divorcing before you die.
/r/MensRights05/06/22 05:05 PM
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I've read that the 50% divorce rate is a myth, and most studies show it's around 25%. Still pretty shitty odds though. Don't marry if you're in the West or India.
/r/MensRights05/06/22 03:26 PM
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The rate of suicide for divorced men is 8 times higher. Is that relative to divorced women or undivorced men?
/r/MensRights05/06/22 12:20 PM
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OP it's okay, we're here. Plenty of people online and IRL are here for you. Look at my other comment here. A time will come when things will change, for change is the only constant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 09:57 AM
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Thank you so much for your support. I was really happy learning about how many nice, loving women like you there are that support Depp and male victims. I really think we can do this, we can overcome misandry and misogyny. Tell your boyfriend that there are plenty of people on his side, men AND women, and that our numbers are constantly growing. Yes, those in power and control of our institutions are rigidly against acknowledging hus lived experience, that will change soon enough. To take an exa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 09:49 AM
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The answer is serial monogamy my friend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 12:43 PM
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ITT: Cynicism. C'mon guys, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 12:41 PM
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Motte and bailey is one of feminism's many rhetorical tricks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 12:37 PM
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Nope nope. Too much trad con cancer.
/r/MensRights02/06/22 11:52 AM
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?
/r/MensRights02/06/22 04:11 AM
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Lifts > Gaming. Fite me.
/r/MensRights02/06/22 04:09 AM
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Some family aren't worth their weight in garbage, unfortunately. 🔲 Not Rekt ✅ Rekt
/r/MensRights02/06/22 04:01 AM
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Only the craziest of the crazy aren't on his side now. Those in power. 😡
/r/MensRights02/06/22 03:44 AM
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Absolutely.
/r/MensRights02/06/22 03:43 AM
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British press all reporting that Johnny won - there’s strong tradition of fairness over here 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dude BBC, Guardian, Independent have been canSer
/r/MensRights02/06/22 03:37 AM
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Should be replaced with #TakeVictimsSeriously
/r/MensRights02/06/22 03:33 AM
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This time popular sentiment is with us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 12:30 AM
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Nope nope nope. This is receiving wayyyy more attention. Duluth model is being undone infront of our eyes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 09:17 PM
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Yet they never teach this you in history class or in popular discourse. History is written by the victors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 03:43 PM
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Too far gone people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 03:35 PM
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I have a question: how come that sub got banned but not ours or r/MR?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 02:07 PM
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Feminists have control over virtually every institution and platform to the point that if one enumerates them, it would sound like something straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 02:05 PM
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Chill. Check my post history if you doubt my MRA creds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 11:01 AM
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It's going to be difficult. A lot of them are TFGs. Those that are reasonable and sane get booted out of the movement. Think of the creator of The Red Pill documentary or the author of the End of Men. Or Erin Prizzey, the woman who created the first and largest women's shelter, only to learn from further experience and research that most abuse is bidirectional. For this, she received bomb threats and was forced to leave her own country. What hope do we have to convince them if their own can't do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 10:17 AM
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I was trying to not be too bold. Thing is, one would have to give weights to all the relevant factors (which is subjective). The factors you include could be augmented to include objective metrics that show women in a worse light: PTSD, powerful people blatantly abusing women (DJT "grab her by the pussy"), abortion etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 09:47 AM
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The New Left basically ignores class, which is the greatest determinant of suffering vs happiness (obviously not the only factor, but the biggest). Guess what the most common demographic support for demagogues are. Furthermore, my perception is that it's slightly easier to be a woman than a man in the US all things considered. Aside from that I have a few criticisms: First, most woke/feminists do consider lgbt+ Second, race is most definitely a factor for well-being. Not the only one, obviously:…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 11:24 PM
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Even though it is absolutely horrible that we have as many destitute folks in this country that we do, the poor in America are significantly better off then even the well-to-do in less industrialized nations As someone who's a well-to-do person in Pakistan (a country less developed than even India), I'd say no: poor Americans have it worse than me. People don't realize this, but so much of well-being is relative. My home has maids, a driver, a bunglow within a city, cheap access to medical facil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 11:07 PM
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Feminism is about equality when saying that is convenient and allows them to gain power or deflect criticism, is about women when they are in a position of power and can tell men to scurry off to their own space, which they will then smear as nazi white supremacist or some other psychopathic drivel. This isn't to say that there aren't feminists who genuinely believe in equality. But this attitude is more commonplace among those who are casual feminists and is not shared with the more hardened on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 07:00 PM
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While it's hardly clear whether the hard power that the US derives from its military is a force for good or evil (I think its both, but mostly evil post -WW2), the citizenry of a nation ought to have respect for the unsung heroes who sacrifice their lives for them in justified wars (of which the US men has fought plenty: the revolutionaey war, the civil war, the world wars) so that they could enjoy a better life. To this very day and age, these people are men and boys. Men have died for women an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 01:28 PM
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I could go into their stance on divorce laws but we would be here all day. Sounds like an organization that would have ruinnee the lives of millions of men if it was taken seriously, sth that's a reality in the Western world. Still, the Singapore government is very stubborn on conscripting women. There was a very recent debate where they announced they were against conscripting women because of socio-economic factors. So how does the population feel about conscription equality, men and women? An…
/r/MensRights31/05/22 12:54 PM
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Do they really give freedom to political advocacy groups in Singapore? Honestly, feminists play fast and lose with terms like equality and patriarchy. He's being compensated for risking his health and possibly his life? WAAAA OPPRESSION! PATRIARCHY!!
/r/MensRights31/05/22 08:04 AM
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Add South Korea onto it to. The Ministry of Gender Equality and Family, a feminist government body opposed having women be conscripted, while every male has to serve for a few years. Hence the calls for abolishing gender disccriminaton by many young men and conservative politicians. But media won't cover thisnin detail but will talk endlessly about the supposes misogyny and wage gap. Is there a list of conscription countries and whether it is gendered and equal.
/r/MensRights31/05/22 07:11 AM
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🗿🗿🗿
/r/MensRights31/05/22 06:56 AM
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Accuser should not be taken to be lying or telling the truth until proven one way or the other. MRAs believe in due process.
/r/MensRights31/05/22 06:53 AM
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So rare that you're more likely to get striked by lightning! /s
/r/MensRights31/05/22 06:32 AM
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Oh I agree with you. So if false accusations of sexual assault/rape are done by women 90% of the time and men 10%, then this sub should discuss the former 90% of time and latter 10% of the time. Proportionality.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 06:35 PM
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Which is bad and disproportionately hurts women.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 12:45 PM
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Men are success objects. Our worth is tied to our income. It happens to both in different ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/22 10:01 AM
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It all essentially comes from the Frankfurt school’s critical theory or a subset of that some call cultural Marxism, I'm a left leaning MRA and agree that feminists and some other progressives play oppression olympics. But the cultural Marxism stuff is linked to anti-semitic white supremacist stuff.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:47 AM
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Pendulum has swung to the other side a long, long time ago.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:39 AM
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Good bot.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:37 AM
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More income =/= doing well relative to your spouse. Especially if rich men spend more on their wives than vice versa (providership gap). See my reply above for more.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:35 AM
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Because there are other factors at play? For one thing, men are "success objects" the same way women are "sex objects". Their worth has become tied to success so that men push themselves so hard that they disproportionately reach the top, sacrificing their work-life balance and strapping on additional stress. So a large part of this has to do with misandry.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:34 AM
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OP, you should edit your post and add other scenarios given in the comments here.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:27 AM
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😂😂😂
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:24 AM
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Call me Mr. Obvious, but previous history can help us in determining character.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:20 AM
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Preach brother 🙌
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:17 AM
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People like you are uncharitable. Obviously there are men who lie. But false rape accusations by women are much, much more common. So it would make sense to focus on women more. We've all become so wary of trolls and smear merchants on this sub that we've become suspicious of derailing attempts. FWIW, I don't think OC is a troll. And if you haven't noticed, you're being more severely downvoted than he is. Heck, on my screen his score is +2. Why do you think that is? Because many here do acknowle…
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:05 AM
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Yup. Although I wonder, how were they able to disprove such a high percentage of accusations? Most accusations are he said/she said, right?
/r/MensRights30/05/22 09:01 AM
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False accusations are incredibly common in custody battles, probably the most common context of false accusations because the stakes are huge, so why on earth is there not greater skepticism among the judges and jury?
/r/MensRights30/05/22 08:57 AM
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Watch feminists spin this as "well actually it's because of slut shaming so it's actually patriarchy. pAtRiARcHyy huRtS MeN 2! "
/r/MensRights30/05/22 08:51 AM
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I've thought of this too. On the one hand, we often have to call out things as they are, because otherwise people will not get an accurate picture or be able to draw political conclusions. They'll still have a positive opinion on institutional feminism, which by and large is misandric. Yet on the other hand, casual feminists could misinterpret this as an attack on women or on equality. Especially since the population has come to (correctly) associate feminism with monumental achievements such as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 09:57 AM
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I think if people on social media post about how the news is spinning this, this might accelerate the decline of feminist narratives on domestic violence by (rightfully) discrediting the credibility on this issue. While I've seen alot of popular support for Depp and Memeing Amber Heard (#MePoo 😂😂😂) on social media, I haven't seen a lot of exposing of mainstream media.
/r/MensRights29/05/22 09:35 AM
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I'm pretty surprised that Guardian let this one be published. Maybe it's because 10 years ago, back when censorship wasn't so tyrannical?
/r/MensRights29/05/22 09:14 AM
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"I don't care about this celebrity stuff." Proceeds to write conspiracy theories about gamergate faright bot troll farm for hours on end
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 01:47 PM
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Kimmel 😂😂(sorry for necro 😁)
/r/MensRights28/05/22 10:59 AM
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I lost respect for Vox a long time ago. They uniformly side with one side of the culture wars rather than looking at the merits of progressive discourse on an issue by issue basis. They even try to cover up egregious behavior from their side of the aisle, like denying there was a free speech issue at college campuses, until it was so, so damn obvious that they would look like flat earthers if they kept pushing this bullocks. They're pretty okay for other issues such as climate change, race relat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 08:08 AM
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Yup! Restrictiona on abortion being one big example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 11:48 AM
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It's a distortion to say men's issues are due to "unfair patriarchal expectations about their personalities and behavior." A great deal of such discrimination was absent back when there was more patriarchy. Worse still is that many of these disadvantages were created by pricisely by those who oppose patriarchy. Did the weakening of due process happen because of patriarchy? Was the pushing of Duluth Model by feminists due to patriarchy? Really, the narrative that men's issues is really just "patr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 11:44 AM
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You should probably edit your statement to read "I'm unaware of any structural misandry." After all, you're trying to be open minded, aren't you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 10:43 AM
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The way I see it, the gender of those in parliament (or really in any position of power) matters much, much less than what their ideology is. I believe there is a female justice in the US Supreme Court who is anti-abortion, so her place there has caused women's rights to worsen than improve. To take a concrete example, the largest difference between men and women's political opinion is small gov. vs. Big govt. Women strongly prefer big govt. and disproportionately benefit from it. The way I see …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 10:30 AM
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The problem is I can't think of a way to fix this situation that doesn't inherently put barriers in place of victims coming forward... I think that's entirely possible. Victims can come forward without there being a presumption of guilty until proven innocent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 09:56 AM
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Not an American, but I believe the NRA repeatedly blocks any gun reform. (NRA is probably the most powerful lobbying groups in the US).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 06:22 PM
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If so many major mainstream feminist organizations and individuals are anti-egalitarian and misandric, then what's the point of identifying with mainstream feminism? You seem to identify with a movement that regularly violates the egalitarianism you hold to be dear. Perhaps it's because you think rejecting feminism would also mean rejecting each and every single cause feminists support? And that since you have some overlap with feminism (on say issues like abortions, consent), you cannot reject …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 10:27 AM
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That kinda hides the fact that your focus is primarily towards men's rights. Ideology isn't just beliefs, but also how you prioritize those beliefs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 09:29 AM
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r/MR's political ideology is normally distributed with mean being the political center.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 09:17 AM
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I guess you could add a qualifier and say "I'm a left leaning MRA".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 09:15 AM
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I absolutely hate how people are quick to assume you're right-wing, an incel, MRA, etc Wait? Aren't we just left wing MRAs?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 08:17 AM
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Feminists only have a passing relationship with the truth.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/05/22 05:41 AM
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These people are actual psychopaths. I don't like right wing politics, but imagine calling half of men rapists. Also +1 for deliberately leaving out right wing women.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/05/22 05:17 AM
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We shouldn't be puritanicals like the woke left. It's absolutely okay to agree with even right wingers here and there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 12:14 PM
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This is why I love this subreddit so much. Deceit is so common in feminist discourse and people like you are doing God's work in exposing it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 11:59 AM
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I think this is a bit too reductionist. The people of the UK do have substantial say, but not as much as ideal. Case in point is Brexit, where all neoliberals were against it but it still happpened.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 11:57 AM
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Yes. Give him plenty of lean protein.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 06:30 AM
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There is also a way around the problems you posed for women: work the samel jobs for the same hours in the same industry. The reason being that the equality of oppurtunity is there, but women end up making different choices. Also, it most certainly is NOT the case that all men's issues have work arounds. There is no way for a man to reduce his likelihood of being victim of police brutality without severe restrictions in freedoms. Or not being believed when he suffers abuse. Many issues of discri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 01:34 AM
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Aren't there more women's resource centers in universities? So these titles are flaunted?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 01:27 AM
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I don't think feminists shy away from using the word women's rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 01:20 AM
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