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Just butting in to say, personally, I would totally marry a guy who makes less than me. My boyfriend is much more 'domestic' than I am and he is much better and more patient with kids, so if we ever decide to have one of us stay home, it would clearly be him. His dream job is to be a writer so he would probably work from home anyways. This is, like, a totally ideal situation for me. And before you start yelling solipsism, I know this is only my experience. But you say AWALT and I am providing a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/14 01:16 PM
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As a girl with a low partner count, I would see the underlying reasons as to why a guy has a high partner count as being negative, rather than positive. I would see it as a sign that he is not interested in a serious relationship or is unable to remain in one. That would personally be a turn off. I am happy that my boyfriend and I mutually lost our virginities because we had no expectations. However, I feel that a lot of people, men and women, might want someone with a little bit of experience i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 03:38 AM
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I was not admitting I was wrong. I was saying 'I need to work on this research project which is more important than arguing with some douche on the internet who will never convinced of anything that does not fit into his narrow worldview." I am also not in a very argumentative mood today, as my head is filled with stress patterns in French loan words. I just commented on Reddit to take a break from actually doing something with my life. You are still wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/13 07:22 PM
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Blarg. I have more important things than argue with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/13 06:55 PM
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Maybe I take offense at you saying that you know what sort of guy I am attracted to. Maybe I dislike how you constantly talk about how guys like my boyfriend can't get laid because they are 'beta'. You are making generalizations that are hurtful to people and are just not true. You put down men for not living up to this stupid, arbitrary form of masculinity. You say your information is based on your experience? Well so is mine. What makes your experience more valid than mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/13 06:20 PM
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No one is arguing that being fit makes you more attractive. However, theredpill argues for behaving in a certain way to be more 'alpha' (attractive). I am saying that different women are attracted to different guys. These guys are probably going to be fit, but they might not have much in common. Therefore, saying that 'being alpha' means being attractive to women isn't actually saying anything. Unless you just mean fit, in which case you don't need to come up with a new word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/13 05:39 PM
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The problem is that different women find different things attractive, particularly when it comes to personality. Most women are going to find decently fit guys with nice faces attractive but what they want the guy to act like differs from woman to woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/13 04:07 PM
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I would say it is definitely possible that a woman can still be coherent or conscious and be raped while drunk. If a guy is sober and he knows that the woman is drunk and her judgement is impaired, yet he still tries to get her to have sex with him because he knows she wouldn't otherwise, then that is totally rape. If the woman (or man!) is in a state of mind where she is more easily manipulated into sex that she otherwise would not want to have, then it is rape. Drunk people are easy to manipul…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/13 02:10 AM
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What is so hard to believe about that? Kids are mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/13 01:44 AM
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Well, most men just respect me for it but my accomplishments are a big part of the reason my boyfriend loves me, yes. He is physically attracted to me, but he is also physically attracted to plenty of other girls. I am the one he is in love with because my goals and interests line up with his. He respects my accomplishments and my opinions. He values me as a human, rather than a tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/13 01:44 AM
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Yeah, and I am lucky enough to be around people who value me for my actual accomplishments, rather than how well they think I fit into antiquated gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/13 12:53 AM
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I can grasp the concept of being ugly. I was called ugly all the time growing up. But I am not. Check my submitted posts if you don't believe me. But that doesn't mean I didn't think I was. I have grown since then and realized that they were wrong. People were trying to put me down because they thought I would get a huge ego. Guess what? I ended up with years of self esteem issues. Your point about ugly people going and crying in their rooms later? I did that all the time. You don't know how you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/13 12:48 AM
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I can grasp the concept of being ugly. I was called ugly all the time growing up. But I am not. Check my submitted posts if you don't believe me. But that doesn't mean I didn't think I was. I have grown since then and realized that they were wrong. People were trying to put me down because they thought I would get a huge ego. Guess what? I ended up with years of self esteem issues. Your point about ugly people going and crying in their rooms later? I did that all the time. You don't know how you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/13 12:46 AM
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You do realize that we link to the actual comment and the context. So we can read it in context. Nice job working stereotypes about gay men. I have known a lot of gay men and relationships between gay men and women are generally not like the media portrays them. In the situation you described, I would say that guy was being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 08:48 PM
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It is a gender situation that emerged as a result of gender roles. As I said, anyone who has experience with depression would know that there is nothing wrong with asking for help. That is why we need to educate people on the nature of mental illness and encourage men to seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 08:44 PM
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Dude. If you are teasing in order to actually make the girl feel bad about herself then you are not doing it right. That IS being a dick, no matter how you phrase it. People playfully make fun of each other to show that they don't take themselves too seriously. Also because humor is a pretty important part of flirting. No one is actually trying to force someone to qualify themselves when they are joking around like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 08:33 PM
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As a person who has depression, do not disregard the "cry for help". People cry for help because they need it. It really comes down to how strong your sense of self preservation is. Don't try to turn depression about "Oh no! I can't get laid!" that is not what it is about at all. Gender role prevent men from getting help. That is one of the many reasons gender roles are bad for men and women. If anyone thinks that a man who seeks help is of "lower value", that is just because they don't understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 08:30 PM
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The idea of negging as I understand it is that it is meant to "take then down a peg". That attractive women have too big of egos and you need to insult them to stand out from the crowd. That is different and much more calculating that playful teasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 08:24 PM
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I was originally talking about women being told that their attractiveness was all they have to offer in general, not just sexually. I also disagree that it is the only thing women have to offer men, but I know you will disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 06:29 PM
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I never said it proved anything of the sort. I would appreciate if you would not misconstrue my points.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 06:25 PM
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They are worth these thing to themselves and people who they care about. I know a lot of men who value women for their accomplishments and for more than just sex or traditional womanlyness. If you don't, then I am sorry, you must know some pretty crappy men. I have heard many men talk about the accomplishments and interests of women they are interested in. Because these men treat women like equal human beings. What if a woman doesn't want to be valued on her ability in being a wife and mother? W…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 06:13 PM
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Well that is great. There is probably a man out there who will. Also, she probably doesn't care much because she has more important things to do than worry about whether or not everyone is attracted to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 06:07 PM
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You do realize that depression and suicide attempts are higher in women. It is just successful attempts that are higher in men. That is because women are more likely to use methods that fail, like pills or hanging, vs men who are more likely to shoot themselves. And part of that is because traditional masculinity tells men that they should not seek out help.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 06:05 PM
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I never said everyone is getting sex all the time. But you can't deny that unattractive people do get sex. Attractiveness is not the only thing that will get you sex. Also, women are not only worth sex, so even if you had to be super attractive to have sex, telling a woman that all she is worth is still untrue and harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:58 PM
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Why is it then that women who are actually quite unattractive still get sex? As do men? It is almost like physical attractiveness is not the most important thing! Oh my!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:44 PM
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My alternative strategy is to make yourself as attractive as you can (working out, dressing well, becoming more confident), approaching women who seem interesting to you, flirting and getting to know them, being honest about your intentions, and then pursuing a relationship or ONS with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:40 PM
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I never said low self esteem was a mental illness. But it is a problem. If you don't see that then I don't know what to tell you. Dude. The "hot" girls have the worst self esteem problem in my experience. I am a "hot" girl who has self esteem issues. The self esteem issues come from the fact that we are constantly told that we are only worth our appearance. That sucks. If the only thing you feel good about is your appearance (and not even that because people are constantly telling you that you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:23 PM
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Are you going to do the whole "redpill is just about improving yourself" bullshit again? Because we both know that is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:19 PM
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You say regularly that you target 20 somethings in bars and clubs. How is that misjudging you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:05 PM
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Maybe you were lucky and didn't deal with this. But trust me, it is rather rare to find a young girl who doesn't have some sort of self esteem problem. It is a well documented fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:04 PM
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No, I am not saying you should not change your approach. If your methods are ineffective then by all means change them. This does not mean change them to the ridiculous redpill methods though. This just means working on bettering yourself. But you should still try to seek out subsets of people you are interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 05:03 PM
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It is effective because you target young, insecure girls who are out to have casual sex anyway. That does not mean it is a good way for dealing with women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:59 PM
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I think it is funny that you guys think that women have this elevated sense of self importance. Have you ever been a girl growing up? Everything tries to tear down any shred of self-esteem you may have. The reason that there is so much focus on girls' self esteem is because it is constantly under attack. Girls are always told that they are not good enough for this reason or that reason. You guys just think anything more than just enough not to kill theirselves is too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:58 PM
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Because it is stupid, needlessly calculating, and not terribly effective. If someone said the things you say you say to women to me, I would laugh and walk away. Anything that is designed to tear down someone's self worth in order to make them sleep with you is just disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:55 PM
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Dude, everything you say ever is very jerk-y. In your descriptions of how you act with women, you come of as a huge asshole. Maybe some girls don't mind that. Maybe they just want to have sex with someone and you are a person with a penis. I am just trying to convince you that there is a large subset of women who would classify your behavior as a reason to never, ever sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:52 PM
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Your logic only works if you think all woman react the same to situations. You seem to think that but that is very wrong. You will never be attractive to all women. That is impossible and ridiculous. If you want a relationship or a ONS or whatever, it would make sense to try to make yourself attractive to a subset of women who you find attractive. If you are interested in programming, try to find women who are also interested in programming. You can do that while also working out and working on …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:50 PM
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Okay, lets look at the context here. He said girls aren't attracted to confidence in programming ability. I said, no, some are. If you want girls who are attracted to programmers, seek out girl who are interested in programmers. You say that that is useless because they can't get any girls. Okay. So if you are trying to learn how to "get girls" why not focus your energy on girls who are the sorts you are interested in rather than just say that is useless and try to make gross generalizations abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:38 PM
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When would "jerk" ever, ever be better than "confident yet still respectful"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 04:35 PM
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There is a lot of space between "being a jerk" and "being a doormat". You are creating a false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 03:48 PM
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Why is "find different girls" bad advice? If my problem was that guys didn't like smart girls, I would try to find guys who did. Why is that so hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 03:47 PM
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See, the women you are approaching may be looking for someone to sleep with. So the reason "being a jerk" works is because you are making your attentions clear. You could probably do that while still being respectful and you might get even better results.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 01:30 PM
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If you are confident in your abilities as a programmer and you think girls are not attracted to that, find different girls. Some girls are attracted to that, me for instance, because we find programming interesting. Girls have diverse interests as well. If someone was confident about their sports ability, I would not find them attractive because I am not into sports. If they are confident in their abilities in something I like, like programming or linguistics or baking or ballroom dance, then I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 01:23 PM
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Okay. Here is your problem. One that has been pointed out numerous times. "Nice" isn't the only thing. There are more things involved in getting a relationship that being a decent human being. You have to be an interesting person. Also, there is a difference between "nice" and "kind" in my mind. Nice means doing reasonable and polite things. Kind goes beyond that and is about being genuinely caring to everyone. That is why I like my boyfriend's kindness. He isn't trying to gain anything by it. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 02:08 AM
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I really, honestly don't get where this whole "women don't like guys who do nice things" thing comes from. People appreciate kindness. One of the things I love most about my SO is that he is one of the kindest people I know. There might be some girls who will be more likely to sleep with you when you insult them but there are probably just as many, if not more, who would be disgusted by that behavior or would at least be more likely to sleep with you if you are nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/13 01:42 AM
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I think that a "sexual strategy" might work for casual sex. I definitely think that if you are looking for a long term relationship, it is useless. For a long term relationship you want trust and friendship as well as attraction. Those are things you gain from getting to know someone on an honest level. It means "being yourself". You won't find love by pretending.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/13 08:44 PM
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It is pretty much like I said before. It refers to a system of gender roles that give most of the political, economic and social power to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/13 03:49 PM
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I am using the one used in gender studies. Which is a system of gender roles that give more economic, social, and political power to men. The whole "the dictionary says this. . . ." thing is annoying to me. I am a linguistics student, so I know that "dictionary definitions" are pretty useless. Especially when using academic terms. Because the meaning of terms vary depending on the field. For example, in my field "morphology", as referenced in my username, refers to the study of morphemes, or the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/13 09:28 PM
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I disagree. I don't think that those terms are attacking men in any way. They are just descriptive terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/13 06:33 PM
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I wouldn't say that. I am just explaining what benevolent sexism means, as I understand it. It doesn't have to have anything to do with men's issues at all. It just means anything that is "positive" towards women that stems from sexist ideas. Often the "positives" towards women have a flipside "negative" for men, but that isn't really what the term refers to. It just refers to the idea that sexism doesn't have to be directly negative towards women. I see what you mean about having an issue with …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/13 06:01 PM
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Benevolent sexism describes the core of a lot of the issues men face. It is things like "women are too good and perfect to ever beat their kids, therefore the man must be the abuser" or "women are too weak so they must be defended at all cost". It is not saying that things men being considered the default for abusers is not issues for men, it is just trying to tackle the real core of the problem in order to actually get rid of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/13 03:10 PM
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Why? Putting yourself first is selfish in a way but I don't think it is bad. It doesn't mean that you don't think of others. Just that you make sure you are the best you that you can be before putting your energy into other people. In order to help other, you have to help yourself first. No matter what, you are the most important person to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 06:12 PM
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Generally from their selves and their accomplishments. It doesn't mean that you can't get some happiness from other (friends, partners, family), but that you are secure enough in yourself that you are the primary source of your own happiness and self-esteem. If that is accomplished by being a housewife and taking care of your loved ones, then more power to you. But the ideal that feminists think women should be striving for it that they are doing it for themselves, not for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 01:33 AM
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Okay, I am not sure how you have sex, so maybe you don't do this, but when I do it I like it when we rub our genitals together for a little bit as foreplay. The head of the penis rubs against the clitoris and it feels good for both of us. This happens before he puts on the condom. At this point, it would be easy for him to stick it in before I realized it, and if he was being forceful, I might not be able to make him stop. To me, that sounds like a very likely situation. It would also explain wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/13 03:42 PM
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First of all, I am pretty sure that she said that he was in her before she knew it and he was really rough. That sounds to me like she did not want to have unprotected sex but it ended up happening against her will. Also, there is a lot more to feeling threatened than him saying "I am going to hurt you". We don't know the whole situation. She said he made her feel threatened. That is legitimate. Third, she was not acting like an innocent victim. She knew she made a mistake and it was stupid but …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/13 03:19 PM
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Okay, assuming that your second retelling of the story was just being sarcastic when you said "I didn't want it", you still did not want her to not use a condom. You told her to stop so you could get a condom. She should have stopped and gotten a condom. That is just basic human decency. I bet if you had gotten an STD you would have been more upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/13 08:17 PM
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Dude, you said you didn't want it. If you didn't want it, then it is sexual assault. If you did, then I guess it wasn't. What "people like me" are trying to do is create a world where people aren't forced to have sex against their will. We are not "trying to control people" we are trying to teach people to respect boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/13 08:10 PM
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How do you think she should 'take responsibility for her actions'? What exactly could she do to apease your idea of responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/13 06:25 PM
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Yeah, that is sexual assault. No two ways about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/13 06:15 PM
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Thinking of relationships a competition is generally not very healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/13 07:26 PM
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In my experience, most girls also enjoy it when their SO is devoted and attentive. I know I personally love it. If my boyfriend acted all aloof or started to flirt with other girls it would upset me. I would confront him and, if it continued, I would dump him. As someone else said, I want my boyfriend to treat me like a priority, not an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/13 07:24 PM
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It is okay. It just made me laugh. I look really feminine so I am unused to the idea of being mistaken for a guy, even if it is on the internet when there is no way for you to know what I look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/13 07:19 PM
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a comment that Morph made about how he hadn't seen any scientific evidence Am I being mistaken for a guy? I am sorry for the off topicness but I have never been mistaken for a guy before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/13 07:07 PM
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I mean, that is how people use the word in the context of feminism. That is how academic feminists use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/13 06:25 PM
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That isn't really how most people use the term. It generally refers to the system of gender roles that have traditionally given more social, economic and political power to men. Just to clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/13 06:04 PM
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Honestly, I am super stressed and have more important papers to be reading so I will let someone else respond to those. Although I read the abstract of the first one and it mentioned that they are talking about female competitiveness because male competitiveness has already been studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 10:22 PM
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She is an actual character, rather than a caricature. She is believable and you can relate to her. Most importantly, she has agency and doesn't just react to the male characters around her. On a more general term, female characters should be as diverse as male characters. We need variety. Right now there are very few kinds of characters that a woman can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 10:20 PM
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I think it is brought up here because it shows some institutionalized sexism that TRP tends to say is 'biological '.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 08:24 PM
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You would have to make completely sure the characters are written gender neutrally and everything else is completely the same. You would need to show them to men as well as women, to compare preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 07:35 PM
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Yeah, those are pretty terrible sources. I want actual scientific studies. By scientists. That are not sensationalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 07:31 PM
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I would argue that female superhero movies fail because they are bad. Because people think they won't make money. So it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 07:30 PM
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I am sorry, I did not see your edit about it being a hypothesis. I am aware how scientific evidence works. What do you propose would be a reasonable way to test it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 06:53 PM
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This is something that you guys always claim but it is not something I have observed, nor have I ever seen any actual scientific evidence for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 06:45 PM
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They don't want to watch it because they are often not as complex and real as the 'default' male characters. Their motivations and personality traits tend to be more limited to ones that highlight their femininity. The movie makers see that these 'female' movies don't do as well and conclude that female characters don't make money. I think that what we need is for the writers to actually write good female characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/13 06:32 PM
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Why are women 'biologically more suited' to be stay at home mothers? Aside from the whole breastfeeding thing. Most women also don't have crazy prerequisites for their partners. Generally no one wants someone who isn't doing anything. That goes for men or women. No one likes stagnation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/13 07:00 PM
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My friend's boyfriend passionately wants to raise children. His parents were always busy when he was growing up and he wants to be there for his children. I find that idea admirable. And besides, you can have ambition for something other than a career. They can work on hobbies. Also, don't you guys advocate women being stay at home moms? How do you justify saying they should chose that path when you say it is stagnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/13 10:09 PM
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I know plenty of women who would actually not mind a stay at home dad for a husband, myself included. I also know guys who want to be stay at home dads. I, and I think most women, want a guy with a passion. If the guy has a passion for family or even something else that is compatible to being a stay at home dad, then they are not contradictory at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/13 01:26 PM
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How is sexual dimorphism relevant to medicine and engineering? Why do you think it doesn't matter for equality? The differences between genders is generally smaller than the differences in each group.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/13 03:50 PM
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I think feminists don't generally think it is relevant to today's society. The only case I can think of where it is relevant is combat. I think feminists accept that humans have sexual dimorphism but don't think it matters much to equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/13 03:22 PM
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I am saying that it is my opinion and also the opinion of any other feminist I have ever talked to. I am rebutting to your idea that feminists reject the idea that feminists think sexual dimorphism matters to their idea of equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/13 01:00 PM
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Generally when people talk about sexual dimorphism they are talking about the fact that men tend to be bigger/have more muscle mass. Or that their larynx is lower in the throat (causing the lower voice, and making them more likely to choke.) Also the subtle brain differences. All of these are honestly fairly minor and don't have much bearing on actual generalizations. Take the combat example. It may be that the majority of women can't do as well as men in combat situations. But there are some th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/13 02:13 AM
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Well, sexual dimorphism is kind of undisputed. Feminists are obviously against the use of it to force women back into the kitchen. But most don't deny it is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/13 01:44 AM
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Haha. Gender norms really need to go die in a hole. They ruin everyone's fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/13 01:25 AM
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I agree with you. The members of TRP do often seem very sad. I feel bad for them. But at the same time I think that the way they are expressing their pain is more damaging to themselves and others. I like TBP because sometimes the things people say are so terrible that I can't look at them any other way than to make fun of them, but I prefer this sub, because I want to help people see that there is another way then the path they have chosen. Sometimes I get frustrated and snarky, but that really…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 09:16 PM
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Okay. I just ask because it seems like it is a pretty big focus of the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 08:29 PM
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I am going to add my two cents. I am not a bombshell, but I am relatively attractive. People give me things all the time. They help me with things. I get things really easily. Until it was pointed out to me recently, it never occurred to me that it might be because I am attractive. I always assumed it was because I looked so pathetic. It made me feel worse every time someone would do things for me. It made me want to prove myself, to not need the help of random people. Basically, I find it inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 08:24 PM
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So you don't agree with the focus on casual sex that TRP has? I saw something here recently saying that if a guy is offered 'no strings attached' sex then they will always take it. I thought that was wrong on many levels. My boyfriend, to give a counterexample, strongly believes that sex can never be truly casual. How do you reconcile that belief with the general attitude of TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 08:14 PM
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On one level, I agree with you. It is more socially acceptable for woman to improve their appearance in certain ways. Make up being the main one. If women have blotchy skin, they can use make up but it is generally not acceptable for men to do the same. That is the issue that we should be taking from this. I don't think improving your appearance is the same as 'game'. So, if you want to fix this issue, wear make up. If you do it subtlety, no one will notice and you can be a part in equaling the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 08:09 PM
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I think that if you sleep with someone because you think they have the same hobbies/interests as you or you think they act a certain way (I am thinking more like pretending to be respectful or interested in more than just sex while really just wanting to use you for sex), then I would say that one is not really being shallow for falling for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 06:27 PM
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Okay. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 04:20 PM
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I would say that falling for a lie about personality is more gullible than shallow. I would, however, say that if you are willing to sleep with someone who is wearing make-up but not with the same person without the make-up, then you are pretty shallow (also you have a very specific threshold of attractiveness).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 03:51 AM
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I personally disagree because in my view of the world, ones personality is a larger factor in overall attraction than physical appearance. Therefore, misrepresentation of personality seems like a bigger and more serious offence than making yourself seem marginally more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 03:48 AM
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And (to going along with your image of the world) lying about aspects of your personality isn't hitting a woman's "more primal instincts"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 03:38 AM
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So you don't think wearing make-up/push-up bras etc. is lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 03:12 AM
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You can pull off a fedora if you are dressed as a '40s gangster/detective. That is pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 02:15 AM
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. . . they are morally reprehensible because they were fooled by liars?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/13 01:31 AM
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That is rape. And obiviously wrong. I was under the impression that 'spermjacking' meant stealing a man's sperm. In those cases they probably have child support because there is no president and are confused. I would say that child support is for the benefit of the child, so the feeling the mother or father have for the child is irrelevant. In either case though, I would argue that the mother is probably not a fit parent. Also, side note, as a child of a single mother and a father who never once…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/13 10:30 PM
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Yeah, and having your kidney's stolen is something we should worry about. Crazy people do crazy stuff. If you have one night stands, that is something that can happen. Just like rape. And murder. This is even less likely than those things. We are talking about a couple of crazy ladies (this is assuming you guys got the idea this happens because of some story of a lady doing this). Mentally stable people do not think about doing this. It is not relatively rare, it is ridiculously rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/13 09:17 PM
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Obviously it is not a good thing. But I am saying it is, like, a few disturbed people, if it exists at all. Does it make sense to be actually afraid of it happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/13 09:08 PM
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I am sure there are a few mentally disturbed people who have "spermjacked". There are some super weird people out there. The idea that it is something to be worried about is rediculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/13 08:48 PM
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We do not argue that there is NO scientific evidence. It is just that when there is a grain of science supporting a claim it tends to get exaggerated and distorted to fit the claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/13 08:43 PM
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I get that. I was awkward as hell in high school. I am a bit better in college. It kind of happened slowly. I worked on bettering myself and cultivating my interests. Because when you are desperate for friends or a relationship, it drives people away. The best advice would be to focus on yourself. That includes focusing on your interests, which will hopefully put you in a situation to meet people. It is not easy, but try to focus of making you the best you that you can be. I am sorry for ramblin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/13 02:02 AM
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Rambling is fine! I always ramble. I am glad you found a relationship dynamic that works for you! It sounds actually kind of similar to my boyfriend and my relationship, but with the genders reversed. That is my problem with the red pill. A lot of people work well in relationships like yours. But a lot of people don't. I have a problem with people saying that it is the only way to be in a happy relationship. There are lots of ways to be in a happy relationship because there are lots of different…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 07:38 PM
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I figured it would be something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 07:01 PM
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What is this reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 06:23 PM
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If you don't mind me saying so, you seem very reasonable for a redpiller. What do you identify within the movement/what drew you to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 05:45 PM
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You are welcome. I like debating with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 04:50 PM
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Yeah, I like it one my boyfriend 'takes me' but we have already established a relationship based on trust. I would not want someone I do not know well to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 04:48 PM
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I think the reason that MRAs are not taken seriously is less because they are advocating for men's rights but because a lot of the visible leaders are openly sexist. This leads people to the, generally untrue, idea that anyone advocating under the banner of Men's Rights is sexist. In order to fix that, the reasonable MRAs have to move away from the ones who are so anti-feminist. Generally when feminists say a piece of media is problematic in the way it treats women, it doesn't mean that that pie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 04:33 PM
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Exactly. And for asking for consent, I am pretty sure something like "I want to fuck you so bad right now" "Me too" is both asking for consent and not mood killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 04:18 PM
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Well, if he asks if he can kiss me and we are already kissing, then that would get weird. But if he asks if he can take of my bra, or actually penetrate (this is assuming we are new partners), I love being asked. For the same reason I described above. It is sexy when he is barely containing himself but still is thinking about me enough to make sure I am okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 03:44 PM
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Yeah. If it never claimed that it was based on science, it would just be morally repugnant. The lack of scientific basis wouldn't be as big of a deal. To me at least. As a scientist, I really hate bad science.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 03:38 PM
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I think that is what most feminist mean when they say patriarchy. I think people get offended by the male implication of the word because they see it as attacking them, so they get defensive. (This is a normal human reaction. Everyone does it. I am not attacking MRAs for doing this.) A lot of people who are 'anti-feminist' claim that the definition is different and people who follow them take their definition over the one that feminists use. This is upsetting to me because I think that MRAs and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 03:36 PM
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I find TRP pill morally repugnant because it treats half of the population in a horrible way. I would find something that claimed these things about men to be equally disgusting. The fact that these viewpoints were formed with little to no scientific basis (yet claim to be scientific) makes it even worse, because the TRPers are using 'but it is science!" to remove themselves from the moral implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 03:24 PM
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I have never been turned off by a guy asking to kiss me or anything like that. It is hot, because it means he finds me really sexy and is having a hard time containing himself but he also cares enough about me as a person to ask how I am feeling about it. That is super sexy in my opinion. I don't think I am alone. Your opinion on sexual frustration leading to rape is pretty insulting to men. I mean, I am pretty sure men have enough self control to not rape people. You don't physically need sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 03:20 PM
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Most definitions of patriarchy that I have heard describe a system of oppressive gender roles that limit the choices of men and women. It is called a 'patriarchy' because the roles given to men often give them greater political, economic and social power, compared to women of the same class. It has been decreasing in recent years but the damaging social roles are still around, in both obvious (there are significantly fewer women CEO's and politicians) and more subtle (men are considered less com…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 03:14 PM
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I think the problem is that when we criticize what we perceive as an aspect of the red pill, they tell us we are wrong but generally don't expand on that. We do cite things from mods or endorsed contributes or even the sidebar. They just tell us that we don't understand. But that is it. They refuse to clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 12:28 AM
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Okay. I acknowledge that it is worse for men. My question for you is what you think the cause is. I think the cause is patriarchal gender roles. What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 12:24 AM
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I just want to pop in with my anecdotal evidence. I work in a lab that works with child language development. One of my duties as an undergrad research assistant is recruitment of subjects. Our most successful way of recruiting is going to parks and going up to people with babies. We all joke that if I was a guy I would not be able to do this. But I, a normal, friendly looking girl, also get weird looks and people have told me to stop lurking around the children. (Usually this happens when I am …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 11:12 PM
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Okay. I am not arguing that alleve isn't best for you. I am saying that, based on the information you had previously given us, there are other factors. Therefore you can't make sweeping generalizations about the effectiveness of tylenol vs alleve. As for the second part, it is very relavent, as it is what we are really talking about. I am saying that, by taking the redpill advice, he is actually introducing a lot of different variables. Fitness, confidence, choice of women, being terrible to wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 07:36 PM
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Oh, I know it is more complicated than I said. I am not a Bio person but I was basically trying to get at the fact that the physical difference stems from the fact of women giving birth. I was trying to get at the idea that TRP is misguided for using that to try to enforce gender roles in our modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 04:17 PM
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I admit I have not read your links but in my experience feminists are against demonizing men's sexuality. I would say that is a hold over from the patriarchal idea that men are obsessed with sex. Women, even ones who consider themselves feminists, still internalize a lot of patriarchal ideas. Living in our society it is hard not too. I think a lot of feminists focus too much on the surface issues and don't look enough at the big picture. Looking at the big picture shows that we need to focus on …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 03:50 PM
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I disagree that it is relevant. In my limited knowledge, we developed differently because women needed to be protected while pregnant. Society capitalized on those differences when agriculture and warfare came along. I think it is irrelevant because we are no longer a society where physical strength is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 03:41 PM
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Hey! Typing on a phone is hard. Haha. So, you are saying that by trying to discourage discrimination against women in certain fields we are giving them special treatment? No one wants too deal with harrasment. Women who are super passionate about engineering are going to deal with it and get their degree. But lets say that a girl is trying to figure out what to major in. She is interested in mechanical engineering and also biology. She is leaning a little towards ME but then she takes a few clas…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 03:34 PM
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Because the different hormones cause the body to develop in different ways? How is this question relvent to this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 03:09 PM
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No one is denying that there are physical differences between men and women. We are mainly debating whether there are significant, innate psychological differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 02:54 PM
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I will look at that later (I am on my phone) but I want to address a point. You said that you believe that people are equal under the law. I would argue that that is only one part of it. Feminism has largely gained equality under the law but theres still a lot of social issues that need to be addressed for women to actually have the same opportunities. A woman may be able to get an engineering degree, for example, but if everything around her tells her that it is "a man's world" or of she experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 02:45 PM
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The problem with this is that you don't know the difference between the headaches. Headaches have different degrees of severity. You don't know if alieve would have worked with that headache that you took tylenol for. It could have been that that was a more severe headache and the one that you took alieve for was more minor. This is why, in science, we need to control for variables. This is even more relavent when we relate it back to "game". You don't know WHY girls are responding better now. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 01:34 PM
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Some people disagree on how to go about optaining equal rights for women. I feel like I am going to need some proper sources before I am convinced of the above claims but I do not deny that some feminist don't go about acquiring equal rights in the most moral or effective way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 01:20 PM
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For me it is a bit of both. I feel like their claims are false and the conclusions they form are moral repugnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 08:47 PM
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But to answer your real question, I said I would take the new information into account. If there was a significant amount of (noncontrovercial) evidence that women always liked guys who are physical dominant, for example, I would try to fit that into my belief system. It wouldn't make me think that women suck but that they gravitate towards certain things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:55 PM
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Tomatoes are fruit. Fruit is a biological classification for the thing that the seeds are in. Vegetable is a culinary classification that is based on more arbitrary criteria. /irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:50 PM
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Any sort of actual, scientific evidence that is not exaggerated or twisted to suit your view I would consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:41 PM
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If I was given any sort of actual evidence, I would take it into account. I have not been given any sort of convincing evidence in favor of the RedPill way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:17 PM
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I am not saying that he is saying "I want to fuck you". I am saying it is likely that his body language is probably pretty overt. I am imagining (based on guys I have met) that he spends a lot of time trying really hard (and failing) not too look at the girls boobs while making it really clear that he doesn't really care what she is talking about. That sort of behavior is off putting. I don't think he should, when confronted, deny that he finds a girl attractive. I just think he should try to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 05:42 PM
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I don't know this guy but, based on my own experience and the limited amount that we know of him, I think he is probably expressing his desire for sex too much. If you just start talking to a guy and everything about his body language says that he wants to have sex with you, it is rather uncomfortable. OP said that he puts desire for sex above desire for female friendships and usually it is pretty easy to tell when that is the case for a guy. Personally, I would never date or sleep with a guy wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 04:55 PM
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Yeah. It is pretty terrible all around. We need to work on it from both sides though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 04:48 PM
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We are talking about a man trying to date a woman. Not about the issue of men with kids being demonized (something that, as someone who recruits for a baby research lab, is exaggerated. When I go to the park there are a lot of men with kids (and a lot of guys just in the park with no kids) and no one thinks anything of it. There are more women with kids and I know if I was a guy I would not be chosen to approach people to ask them if they want to let us experiment on their baby, but it is not as…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 04:46 PM
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Yes. I had a lot of issues with this growing up and I am from a staunchly atheist family! It is very ingrained into our society. The idea that men can't help thinking about sex is also very damaging to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 04:31 PM
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Okay, then why did you bring pedophilia into it? That is a different issue. I don't have much to say about that except for that it directly contradicts my experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 04:27 PM
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And I think that is bad. I also think the cause of that is that women are considered to be the ones who take care of children. Therefore it is thought that if a man likes kids he must have an alterior motive. This is a bad thing but not really relavent to the current discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 04:18 PM
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I don't think only men hide behind the plausible deniability of friendship. As I said, I did that all the time. I also wonder why friendship is such a bad situation. That first scenario? Happened to me and my boyfriend. The difference was he did want to be my friend. (Also I didn't realize he was asking me out. I just thought he wanted to get dinner with me.) He was attracted to me and wanted to date me but he primarily wanted to hang out and be my friend. After I got to know him better I decide…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 03:46 PM
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I am afraid I do not quite understand what you are talking about? Could you clarify? If you are saying that women 'put themselves out there" more I am not sure I agree, at least in my experience. I have never tried to get a date (I actually actively suppressed romantic feeling because I was scared of rejection). Although I do have really big boobs so I guess I was 'out there'. (That was a joke.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 03:21 PM
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Okay. If he wants sex, learn ways to flirt with girls at a club and have a few one night stands. But remember that you aren't 'tricking' the girl. She was out for a one night stand too. If, after that, he demystifies sex and wants a relationship, I still think that trying to make friends is the best way to go. The problem he probably has is that he is so desperate for sex that it puts women off. If he chooses to use 'seduction techniques' to learn how to get over his desperation for sex then mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 03:08 PM
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Every single romantic relationship I have ever had stemmed from friendship. And the same for most people around me. If you try to make friends with everyone, people will get to know you and (if you are also working on yourself) someone will probably fall for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 02:34 PM
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Making friends with women does not mean lowering your goals. It means widening your goals. Learning to get over your issues with women. And guess what? Women can help you get a girlfriend too!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 02:26 PM
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Yeah, that metaphor doesn't make it look like you think of women as objects at all! Seriously, women are people. There is more to them than how many people they have slept with. There is more to them when it comes to "Sexual Market Place" too. People are attracted to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/13 03:53 PM
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Because saying "I love you" that early sets off 'overly attached' red flags. Also, their dumping you may not be related to that. It may be related to them getting to know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/13 03:49 PM
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Most anecdotal evidence that I have says otherwise. Especially when it comes to romance and sex. Men tend to be like "I love you! You are the best! We should have sex and be together forever!" while the women I know are more likely to be like "woah, woah, woah. Let's slow down now. We can't have sex right now because I have class in ten minutes." or whatever. That piece of anecdotal evidence seems to point to women being more logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/13 01:50 PM
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It may be her will at the time. But if she refuses sex then it is clearly not her will at that time. And she should be allowed to refused sex no matter what prior consent was given. Everything should. If your marriage is at the point when one partner is refusing sex to the point that the other partner feels persecuted, then there is probably a reason for it. Like a problem in the marriage. Just forcing the person to do it isn't going to fix the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/13 08:33 PM
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I think it would be immoral because the situation you describe has literal sex against someones will. Even if they at some point agreed to it in the past, if they don't want to at that moment then they shouldn't be forced to. People should always have the right to change their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/13 06:51 PM
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I am pretty sure that sex isn't the only thing that makes people happy. Like, it is okay not to have sex sometimes. I am pretty sure you can do other things to make someone happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/13 03:42 PM
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Why would you ever want to change the marriage contract to what you are suggesting. I would say that, morally, everyone should be able to not have sex if they are not in the mood. Just because they might agree to give up that right does not make an institution that gets rid of that right is in any way right. It is still morally wrong because it strips people of anatomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/13 03:39 PM
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I would say that the answer is a mixture of all of those answers. (also, could you try to keep bias out of number 3.) 1) there are definitly cognitive difference between men and women. However, they are generally pretty minor and vary more within each gender than between them. 2) It is not that they are 'bias in favor of girls' it is that we tend treat boys and girls differently as they are growing up (giving girls more physical affection and using more suggestions as compared to encouraging mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/13 09:18 PM
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Obviously light teasing is normal. But, correct me if I am wrong, 'negging', for example, is used in order to attempt to lower the person's self esteem? And the whole "insult a pretty girl because everyone compliments her" thing does not seem playful to me. Those insults seem like they are meant to be more biting to have an effect. Teasing flirting is common and totally normal. It is not a "redpill" thing. The problem with the "redpill" way of thinking is that it is actually meant to hurt in som…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/13 10:06 PM
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I don't get the whole "pretty girls are constantly complemented so I need to insult them to stand out." I spent most of my teen years being insulted. As a result, I had a horrible self image. Turns out, a few of the guys had been hitting on me and used that same reasoning. Now I am aware that I am pretty but compliments still make me happy. I would never go with a guy who insulted me over one who complimented me. I know this is anecdotal but that seems to be the main form of evidence for you red…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/13 09:35 PM
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