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Fundamentals Most-Famous-Wasabi/r/seduction04/01/26 12:00 AM
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I am often happy to be the consolation prize when the 7ft billionaire werewolves aren't texting back.
/r/seduction28/07/26 06:04 AM
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>> A friend of mine said to a girl during a date randomly “do you have sensitive nipples?”. I don't even think of things like this as techniques anymore. To me, this is the inner secret of that crappy chode advice "tell her how you feel". Turns out that you *can* actually move things forward by telling her how you feel. ...especially if you feel like you want to know about her nipple sensitivity.
/r/seduction22/07/26 11:26 AM
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Yeah, it's basically just a normal mechanism of humour.
/r/seduction22/07/26 11:24 AM
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Agreed. I think that OP thinks that "pattern interrupt" infers something specific to seduction. Like a technique framework or something. OP: a pattern interrupt is just what it sounds like. In the context of human communication it is simply breaking from an established or expected rhthym.
/r/seduction22/07/26 11:23 AM
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You continue to splendidly prove my point. If you knew the first thing about logic, you'd understand that vague claims of illogic do not demonstrate their own soundness. You are incapable of understanding this because of your diminished intellect.
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:26 PM
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Clearly this sub is open to many classes of people who have nothing constructive to contribute.
/r/seduction20/07/26 08:52 PM
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You are just proving my point.
/r/seduction20/07/26 08:51 PM
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That perspective is broken at so many levels that it's hard to know where to start. Acknowledging a connection is different from assuming that it is necessary, inevitable or a moral obligation. You need therapy. And you also need to learn basic reasoning skills.
/r/seduction20/07/26 03:11 AM
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You are posting in the wrong sub. This sub is about helping men to improve at creating sexual attraction and becoming more attractive. Sexual attraction doesn't necessarily lead to long-term relationships. Nor is there any moral obligation for either men or women to request a long term relationship just because sexual attraction exists. You have issues that you should be discussing with your friends or your therapist. Not with random men on the internet.
/r/seduction19/07/26 11:53 PM
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You haven't answered the question though. How do you get that mindset?
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:28 AM
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You probably made this up. Even if you didn't, your post is in the wrong sub. Posting in random subreddits for kudos from strangers is lame.
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:27 AM
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Why are you asking women's opinions on a subreddit about seduction? What women say they like and what women respond to are two completely different things. Women are incapable of giving men practical information or insight on dating.
/r/seduction14/07/26 02:32 AM
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The reality is that even unnattractive women have more options than the average man.
/r/seduction13/07/26 09:18 PM
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By escalating with strangers. That's the only way.
/r/seduction12/07/26 10:06 PM
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There's absolutely nothing new in Models. It's exactly the same as the 20 years worth of PUA material. The only real difference is that Manson provides PUA material while claiming to abhore PUA material. He's a hypocrit. That being said, the book provides an adequate framework for working with.
/r/seduction09/07/26 10:00 PM
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>> it’s just unreasonable to force a girl to make a decision about you immediately. Yeah, true. But personally I feel like a good direct opener functions as a pattern interrupt. You aren't requesting a choice. You are providing an experience that is some combination of surprise, delight and wtf. This is all the more true when you are in self-amused mode. In that mode you are playing and inviting her to play as well.
/r/seduction09/07/26 09:58 PM
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You are extremely lucky. Most men don't have that kind of friendship with a woman. And most women are terrible wings. For the rest of us it is best to take personal responsiblility and upskill.
/r/seduction06/07/26 09:43 PM
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You aren't fumbling enough. In order to learn you should be approaching more women. Never rely on third party's to connect you to women. Especially don't rely on women to connect you to women.
/r/seduction06/07/26 01:16 AM
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Can't find anything about 'Signlaz'. If I google for him, the only thing I find is a link to this reddit page.
/r/seduction06/07/26 12:11 AM
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>> The reality is when she likes you it doesn't matter what you do. That's true. But there are things you can consciously do that make you more attractive to more people. It gets to the point where you realize that the major barriers were all in your head.
/r/seduction04/07/26 05:29 AM
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Because I got into ltr's. Long-term relationships are my happy place.
/r/seduction02/07/26 05:44 AM
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I got many many more positive responses than I expected. It caused me to shift my thinking. I realized that women really liked being surprised and being seen as desireable. And that they liked men being blatant. I'd even have attractive women lie to me in the affirmative. They just liked the excitement of being openly invited into a sexualized interaction. Turns out that women do actually like it when men can be super, I dunno, cocky? Risk-takey? I tried to be bold, relaxed and self-amused. Of c…
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:57 AM
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Day game: Stroll on up with a chill vibe and be super direct. "Can I ask you a personal question? Are you single?" The results absolutely blew me away. My conception of what was possible was forever altered.
/r/seduction01/07/26 10:03 PM
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Yeah, you can logic yourself out of being relaxed and charismatic. Oooooor you could use your logic to help rather than hinder you: You and your shortness exist because your short ancestors fucked. Over the span of their lineage, a lot of your short ancestors took risks - including risks of death - and charmed their way into panties where they had no logical right to be. You have their potential. Don't let your social conditional stunt your possibilities.
/r/seduction30/06/26 12:01 PM
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You are doing the right thing. Unmatch or ghost if they show the slightest bit of hesitancy or flakiness. This way you won't spend mental energy on chasing them. Apps should be supplementary to your main funnel, and you should put minimal energy into them. Focus on irl approaching, and categorise apps as entertainment. They can be good to fill in time. But most women on them aren't interested in actually meeting men.
/r/seduction28/06/26 11:38 PM
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They also allow a continuous stream of comments from people who have nothing to contribute and who have no interest in learning the fundamentals of seduction. "Just be good lucking/have money or you are fucked" griefing bullshit. Those posts should results in an automatic permaban. I suspect that the mods are more interested in allowing a constant stream of ever-moving bullshit rather than letting this sub be an actually useful resource.
/r/seduction28/06/26 10:34 PM
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>> You’re a genius. That's kind, but I've just walked in the footsteps of others. Nothing about my post is originally from me. >> Have you tried this yourself? I invoke the Yodic Imperative: "There is no try". You can't learn or improve by dabbling. I think a lot of guys fuck up by not immersing themselves in **in-field experience**. There is a shit-ton of information out there on this path. And most of it is great. But it's useless as dead internet text if you aren't using it for **course corre…
/r/seduction27/06/26 04:07 AM
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*Warm up* Be social. Talk to everyone. Get the brain-to-mouth connection working. Talk to people on the way to the venue. Talk to everyone at any excuse at the venue. *Talk to groups* If you see a woman that you like, talk to her and her friends. *Be Charismatic* This is a honable skill: be socially calibrated - self-aware of your position within the group. Be aware of the push-pull dynamic. Be aware of how building and breaking rapport work. Learn when and how to use earnestness, lightheartedne…
/r/seduction26/06/26 10:09 PM
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Then I give you another high-five for your commitment to youself! Good man! You won't get this kind of support from many people around you, so I recommend that you get into the habit of giving yourself this kind of validation as well. Fail an approach? Mentally high five and big up yourself for giving it a shot! Fuck up a set? Mentally high five and big up yourself for giving it a shot! Seriously, there's some deep magic to this: State control management and self-regulation of your nervous syste…
/r/seduction24/06/26 02:39 AM
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>> So I feel down because I thought I found the 'one'. Let that shit go until you've been seeing her for three months. >> I can't believe all of that was an act, and I'm not sure what happened there. You didn't do anything wrong. You did everything right. But you have to understand: these experiences are common for women. So the after-the-fact emotional impact isn't the same as it is for men. Basically, if she gets a hot, flirtatious experience, say, once a month, then she doesn't have the same …
/r/seduction24/06/26 02:06 AM
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Well, I disagree. And I won't go into why, cos I've got other things to do. But at least you've shown a chain of reasoning.
/r/seduction23/06/26 11:18 PM
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What is your chain of reasoning? That reads like a nonsequiter. I don't see how you connect the premise with the conclusion.
/r/seduction22/06/26 08:52 PM
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> Humans didn't have to do an online course either. That's supporting evidence to my point: the human mating "dance" is innate and mostly triggered by drives that are genetically inherited.
/r/seduction22/06/26 05:33 AM
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Every other animal the mating rites are deeply genetically coded. Afaik, cats, chimps, giraffes and emus don't have to take some equivalent of an online course and do infield reps to get game. Human sexuality is different only on the surface. I reckon that learning seduction and pickup can help men access their inbuilt capacity to perform the human natural mating dance.
/r/seduction21/06/26 11:42 PM
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The insanity of a company that threatens to eject customers for starting conversations with other customers.
/r/seduction21/06/26 08:24 PM
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Instadate is the way.
/r/seduction16/06/26 11:25 PM
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One of the reasons that that's good is that you can stop thinking about the woman after you've stopped talking with her. The ball is entirely in her court. She'll message you if she likes you. And you don't have to put mental energy into crafting messages or whatever.
/r/seduction16/06/26 11:24 PM
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Getting numbers is progress. It proves that you've got the social calibration and leadership to get that far. Please celebrate yourself for that. Acknowledge your progress. That's more progress than a lot of dudes. You've hit a very normal plateau, and it's time to go beyond your comfort zone again and upskill. Work on social proof, comfort building and leading.
/r/seduction16/06/26 11:12 PM
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In which case, some information on the "doing" part would be infinitely better than vague info on "being".
/r/seduction16/06/26 03:52 AM
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>> You're thinking about it all wrong. It's not about "how". It's about "do" He can't learn how to "be" without knowing how that it is reflected in "doing". Practicing the skills brings about the "being". He's asking specifically about the skills. If you think that there is a button for the "being" then help him find it. Otherwise "just draw the whole fucking owl" advice is useless.
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:37 AM
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Lotta bullshit answers in here. Contrary to what a lot of bullshitting armchair players are saying, being charming *doesn't* just come naturally when you socialize more. It's like any sport: if you train the wrong way, you won't improve. Try doing judo or boxing classes over years with a shit coach who can't improve your technique. You'll suck in the ring. Practice is absolutely necessary and also insufficient. I'm not saying I'm an expert in this. But I've tried to work on some areas of charm. …
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:33 AM
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Women are extremely sensitive to value. They can tell very quickly if you can add value to their lives. And if so, the kind of value. Women can assess your value and decide how to respond to it so quickly that they aren't even conscious of it. Once she's decided, that's it. It's done. There's no point trying to change her mind. If she expresses no interest then move on to the next one.
/r/seduction14/06/26 11:30 PM
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Wait... You tested an undefined hypothesis by talking to a bot... rathat than in-field... ... and that made you give up on daygame? If you wanna give up then fine. I can't stop you and I don't know you well enough to care.
/r/seduction13/06/26 10:08 PM
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Yeah, there was a lot of fantasy there too. Dudes who didn't really go out were making shit up. But from what I remember it was more valuable than this forum, because at least most of the participants understood the basics.
/r/seduction13/06/26 10:05 PM
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>> I started a discussion on here because I asked if there is actually no way to pick up a woman who isn't interested in you. It's just a numbers game Well, there's your problem: your premise is fucked. Appearance is not the ultimate and absolute determinant of the thing you call "attraction". A significant component of attraction is character. You can attune your character to develop attractive traits. Those traits become apparent in conversation. Running game / infield cold approach pickup is …
/r/seduction12/06/26 11:16 PM
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You were left with an impression because this doesn't happen to you much. She forgot about it by the next morning because it happens to her all the time. Flirting and even contact detail exchanges mean nothing. Unless you are waking up next to her for the third time this week, you've got no idea if she's actually attracted to you.
/r/seduction10/06/26 03:14 AM
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>> I knew also about pua stuff from before, never really liked it and realized that trend faded away. Meeting women is not a trend that has ever faded. "PUA's" just happen to be the only people who show the most effective ways to actually do it. >> My question is - is day game on streets still socially acceptable way of meeting women in 2026 What could possibly be unnacceptable about starting conversations with women outside buildings? I mean, if you are living in Saudi Arabia or a 14th Century …
/r/seduction09/06/26 09:04 PM
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"You keep sending me late night texts. Just come over" Honestly, if you don't send this message soon then she's gonna respond in the affirmative to one of the other guys that she's been flirting with.
/r/seduction07/06/26 10:43 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you more than I disagree with you. He can definitely learn from this. He could probably have chosen something better to say. But still - I wanna support the guy for actually doing something and (maybe) fucking it up rather than doing nothing. Also, he might have fumbled, but woman can handle fumbling if they are really open to sex. Her intolerance of his fumble is more about her than him. I mean, being tactical is good. But success in creating sexual connections isn't purely a…
/r/seduction07/06/26 08:06 AM
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What was the dumb risk?
/r/seduction07/06/26 07:50 AM
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Fuck no you didn't blow it. You took action and had a great interaction! It's fine to be bold over text. You were simply very clear in playful way about your desires. She freaked out a bit and decided not to follow through. That's fine. Her call. Honestly dude, take the win: you took action and got a great result. Keep doing that and you'll meet your goals for your lovelife for sure. Also - ignore the chump commentors who are dissing you. They simply have no idea about how the game works. They a…
/r/seduction07/06/26 01:50 AM
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Ignore that guy. You did really well.
/r/seduction07/06/26 01:48 AM
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>> Also hetero/bi girls really, really seem to like me as well but it just never gets sexual with them and there's always kind of a barrier between me and them, like we talk but we never get really close. Like there is the feeling that we're both curious but there's also this barrier which neither party will break. Sounds like you are a bit too in your head about it. You should bring it up in conversation. I mean, it sounds like they are comfortable in your presence. Which means you probably hav…
/r/seduction05/06/26 04:45 AM
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It's fine. You created the opportunity for a win-win situation when you approached her, however things might unfold. You created a win-win situation by walking away from someone who had no interest in you.
/r/seduction03/06/26 11:21 PM
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Honestly, it's so long ago now that I can't remember.From what I remember, my key learning was this: Before the first approach, I was excited but nervous. After the first few approaches, it just felt like fun. And a world of possibilities opened up. I felt like I was in a brave new world. The fear was outweighed by the fun. Looking back, there are definitely things that I would do differently. But you can't know that until you rack up some experience. But the other thing is that your skill level…
/r/seduction30/05/26 01:38 AM
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You don't have to hide the fact that you are seeing other women. If she doesn't like that, then she has options: * leave * ask for exclusivity In the modern dating environment, seeing other people is normal. The vast majority of women will not stop seeing other mens simply because she met you.
/r/seduction28/05/26 01:16 AM
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You have to define "results". The goal of cold approach isn't merely to build up your approach/get laid ratio. (Although this will happen) Your goals can/should be to desentitize yourself to approach hesitancy and to improve your social skills. Getting volume and external guidance *massively* improves your game. You might find that even if your cold approach lay rate stays low, your fortune with women improves in other arenas, because your skills are improving and you are becoming more attractiv…
/r/seduction27/05/26 06:11 AM
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Cold approach should be one part of your system. Use it to compliment social circle development. Figure out what you want your social life to look like, and start building it. Use cold approach to invite people into that social life. As you build your social network - partly through cold approach - you can leverage your social life to meet more women and do warm and cold approaches. It takes a while. But building up this way combines well with slowly building your social/seduction skills, your i…
/r/seduction27/05/26 06:06 AM
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Talk to people. That's pretty much 50% of success in solo gaming. Keep engaging the social part of your brain. Keep the brain to mouth connection going. Stay mentally limber. If you can do that, your social engagement psychic muscles are warmed up for when you encounter a woman that you are attracted to.
/r/seduction27/05/26 04:59 AM
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Your advice is shit though. Newbs can learn a shitload and massively increase their success even with compliment openers.
/r/seduction21/05/26 12:39 AM
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>> How does a conversation happen after you’ve given away your purpose for approaching her? However you want it to. It's really up to you to take the lead. I have no idea about your background or level of success. But it's honestly bizarre to me that anyone could be in-field with this dogmatic approach. I honestly think you've taken too much onboard from a subset of instagram PUA's without giving yourself room to experiment in-field.
/r/seduction21/05/26 12:37 AM
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Confidence comes from a record of success. Men who are confident in social situations are men who have experience getting positive feedback from the same kind of social situations. In order to become confident in those situation yourself, immerse yourself in them while upskilling.
/r/seduction20/05/26 12:45 AM
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>> Theres no magic technique or method to make girls want you in terms of 'game'. Like most here, i'm sure we've all read all teh books and tested it all. It's PUA marketing. Anyone who's read the books would know that they tell you that there is no magic technique or method. Anyone who has tested the frameworks understands that they do give you an advantage.
/r/seduction18/05/26 10:46 PM
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Why are you not celebrating the win?
/r/seduction17/05/26 04:56 AM
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Nothing about what you are saying makes sense. You are claiming that it's easy to find women... while simultaneously claiming that you can't find a woman. This fake shit is dumb. And you are all dumb for falling for it.
/r/seduction15/05/26 03:19 AM
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And all the idiots upvoting him too. This topic needs a new subreddit.
/r/seduction13/05/26 01:24 AM
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If you have any idea about this topic at all, you'd be able to give at least some generalised practical response. You are welcome to do that now.
/r/seduction12/05/26 12:52 AM
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>> Instead of say, just attending events with friends and meeting the mutuals? You must be a woman. The systems and processes you are describing work well for women. In general they do not work well for men. If it did, then cold approach pickup wouldn't exist. You have asked this question because your position in the game has always given you so much access to opportunity that you are incapable of imagining men's position in the game: most of us actually have to work for it or suffer silently fo…
/r/seduction08/05/26 10:41 AM
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>> Was that like a good start, though from that one example... You need to be working on mindset rather than specific routines/methods. As you work on the mindset, your natural creativity will produce the methods/routines.
/r/seduction04/05/26 03:09 AM
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>> How are you supposed to flirt though Once again, this sub needs a 101. Find the book Double Your Dating. This very short book explains the 'why' and gives very practicle advice on 'how'. To summarize: tease. Jokingly interact as if your flirting partner is an annoying little sister: kinda cute but also a pain and not as cool as you.
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:10 AM
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That's an interesting question, but ultimately males who identify as trans are still male. Identity doesn't alter biology. Bear in mind that I'm describing reality in general: There are edge cases. Human sexuality is weird and varied. But reality still applies. Sexual selection is not driven by edge cases. It would be interesting to see solid stats on sexual orientation within the trans-identifying male population. But scientific research around the trans phenomena is pretty fucked in general an…
/r/seduction22/04/26 12:27 AM
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In general they simply don't have to. Across the entire animal kingdom, one sex is generally the pursuer and one is the pursued. This is due to deep evolutionary causes related to anisogamy and long-term species survival. The two driving forces of evolution are Natural Selection (which you've probably heard of) and Sexual Selection. In evolution Sexual Selection contributes over time to strengthen the survival value of the species. Females are driven by deep, uncontrollable drives to select mate…
/r/seduction21/04/26 09:49 PM
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"You are perfect just the way are, but you aren't allowed to date women until you become perfect". This kind of bullshit should be banned on an actual seduction sub.
/r/seduction20/04/26 09:12 AM
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Dance. Dancing in itself is impressive, and gives you most social options. But also partner dancing gets you used to being close to other bodies. You can be attracted to the other person without wanting anything from them. That detatchment from outcome is attractive.
/r/seduction20/04/26 12:30 AM
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>> It's really about finding the girls who want you more than anything else when it comes to cold approach pickup That's not the right message to take away from what you saw. A better message is this: It's not the exact words that matter. What matters is the vibe that you carry during the interaction. If you are self-amused, positive and warm then the chances are much higher that you can continue the interaction.
/r/seduction19/04/26 11:34 PM
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I sometimes think about it. My thoughts go along the lines of "jaws are gonna be dropping when these mofo's see my motherflippin' smoothness".
/r/seduction16/04/26 01:02 AM
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Ah, I see. Sorry, it's mostly dudes on this sub. Knowing you area woman makes a difference. >> the reason its tiring is i sensed their desperation to get laid all the time Yeah, sorry but I can't give you any advice on that. I feel for you, and and I feel for the desperate dudes too. I think that men need to up their game, so that they can better for women. Men should be able to make the kind of dates you are talking about enjoyable for women like you. We need to be less self-centered and less s…
/r/seduction14/04/26 10:06 AM
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That volume puts you in the elite top percent of males on the apps. That's a great place to start from! You don't have a problem with the apps. It does seem that you have a problem though. But it's hard to know what it is without knowing more about what actually happens within you during the dates. Why do *you* think you feel tired and drained afterward? First dates (well, all dates really) should be light-hearted events. Hanging out with women should be fun and energising. Even if there's no at…
/r/seduction14/04/26 06:43 AM
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If you want to prevent further "negativity" in the future, simply start threads in technical subreddits where you have no familiarity at all with the techne. If you've never lifted weights before, then don't give advice on a bodybuilding sub.
/r/seduction13/04/26 06:08 AM
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You have no idea how this stuff works. You are not only completely unqualified. You are also demonstrating that you are clueless.
/r/seduction13/04/26 05:42 AM
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He clearly read exactly what you wrote and how you wrote it. You are writing like you don't care about what other people need. If you can't even use paragraphs then you lack empathy.
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:27 PM
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You are paranoid. Seek help.
/r/seduction08/04/26 04:36 AM
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No. Most relationships start with sex (at least in the western world). If you are a man looking for a relationship, then the best thing you can do is have sex with as many women as possible. You don't really need to worry about becoming numb. That doesn't happen if you actually like the women you are sleeping with. When you have abundance and flow, you naturally become more attractive. This is more likely to land you the relationship that you want.
/r/seduction08/04/26 04:33 AM
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https://googlethatforyou.com?q=r%2Fseduction%20wiki
/r/seduction05/04/26 10:09 PM
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You aren't ready. Start with reading the wiki for this sub.
/r/seduction05/04/26 09:03 PM
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skill issue.
/r/seduction05/04/26 07:52 AM
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>> O.K., how? Get off this sub if you don't know the basics. This sub exists because we understand that socials skills, like all skills, can be improved with training. Some social skills are directly pertinant to romance. Seduction is a skillset. If you have no interest in this domain, the don't bother coming to this sub.
/r/seduction02/04/26 08:53 PM
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Yeah - when you put it like that, I totally agree with you.
/r/seduction30/03/26 10:27 PM
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>> Just be yourself. That simple. If it was that simple then this subreddit would not exist. And OP would never have had to ask that question. I honestly don't mean to sound offensive, but "just be yourself" is dogshit advice for developing social ease. "Just be yourself" makes no sense to guys who have the self-awareness to understand that they experience social anxiety, and do not express social ease when in social situations like house parties. The entire point of this sub is to guide people …
/r/seduction30/03/26 09:54 PM
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>> I have never approached a girl in this kind of scenario so I'm totally clueless. "Hey! I haven't met you yet! Who are you?" Try to exude a warm, relaxed and self-amused energy. == edit == The above is true, but let's go a little deeper... I think that the most important thing for you to do is to be absolutely ok with fucking things up. Look at your goals for going to the party: At some level you are viewing this as a high-stakes operation. And to some extent it actually is! So take the pressu…
/r/seduction30/03/26 09:33 PM
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Posts like this aren't helpful in the least. Every bit of pop culture dating advice for, I dunno, 100 years or more has said "Just be confident!". We know this already. And you not knowing that we already know just makes you look like an idiot. We also know that 'confidence' is domain specific and can actually work *against* you. What is more important that stating the bleeding obvious is *practical pathways* to gaining *confidence specific to approaching*. This sub is stacked with zero-value po…
/r/seduction23/03/26 09:44 PM
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>> I cried about an hour after I got home because that's what my life is Honestly, I think that that is a great place to start from. If you cry about the state of things, then: * You aren't numb * You know that things have to change >> I just stood there uncomfortably. I don't like that kinda talk at all. Not in my private life, and certainly not in my workplace. That's also a good start: You know that women are human and as such they deserve to be thought of with respect. You love women for wha…
/r/seduction18/03/26 06:22 AM
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You won't argue anymore because your position is indefensible. The bro is trying to improve his life. You are shaming him for it.
/r/seduction16/03/26 09:57 PM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with men who want to meet women following the advice that society gives them. "Do the thing!" "You are creepy for doing the thing!"
/r/seduction16/03/26 09:19 PM
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You are right: the playbook is broken. What's most absurd is that most of the people replying to you are demanding that you still follow it: "Now that you know that the thing isn't working, DO THE THING HARDER!!" Join clubs because you want to. But if you are a guy and aren't getting dates outside of clubs, then you are unlikely to get them in clubs. If you want to meet women for dating, then... go and meet women for dating. Don't follow a byzantine roadmap. Just start go out and meet women. Lea…
/r/seduction16/03/26 09:16 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being an overthinker. The problem here is that your message shows an unattractive mindset: You clearly believe that this is a high-stakes interaction, and you are staking your self-esteem on it. For where you are at the moment you probably can't limit that (although you should try: take a breath, zoom out mentally and acknowledge that this is just another interaction. It might change your life. It might go nowhere. But it's just another interaction in a lifetime guaran…
/r/seduction15/03/26 10:26 PM
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My only gripe with Models is that he prefaces it with "Ignore what the PUA's tell you"... ... and then goes on the give the exact same advice that PUA's give. He obviously has to do that to please his audience. And the book is basically solid. But it's dishonourable to disown the sources of his wisdom.
/r/seduction15/03/26 12:43 AM
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Yeah - I agree with your extension of the metaphor I used. I just happen to think that many coaches in the industry are metaphorically akin to our metaphorical Bruce Lee: they've taken from various systems, have a good understanding of the underlying principles and have pressure tested them thoroughly. (Although the metaphor kinda fails there, cos allegedly Lee wasn't that great at actual fighting and combat nerds reckon he'd get wrecked in the ring these days... but that's kinda beside the poin…
/r/seduction14/03/26 02:10 AM
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It's like any field: A lot of "professional PUA's" are indeed cringey douchebags. But after the PUA finished it's cultural moment, the vast majority of the douchebags were exited from the marketplace. Some of the remaining players just happen to be the best possible teachers with the best possible advice/training when it comes to improving sex-specific social skills. The reality is, if you spend a decade or so upskilling in one specific area, you get better at it than armchair experts. Even a di…
/r/seduction13/03/26 02:10 AM
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Yeah, it really is fucked. Mind you, it's not the posters who demonstrate this: it is mostly the commentors. At least two-thirds of the commentors have zero idea what they are talking about: They seem to be just blokes who are commenting purely from personal experience or merging their experience with advice from pop culture, without ever having taken the slightest bit of time to look at the 30 years of in-field testing or interpretation of that testing. Difference of opinion is fine and to be e…
/r/seduction12/03/26 11:56 PM
1

Yeah, that'd be good too.
/r/seduction11/03/26 05:26 AM
1

You are just proving my point. If you don't know the very very basics of this field then you really shouldn't bother commenting.
/r/seduction11/03/26 05:26 AM
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He's already being ignored. You have no idea how the game works.
/r/seduction10/03/26 08:39 PM
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Drop the amount of mental energy you are using on her. Regard her as an option and no more. "Chilling watching a movie tonight. Come over" Leave it at that.
/r/seduction09/03/26 10:03 PM
1

"I'm looking at a pool. Am I learning to swim?" No. You learn to swim by swimming. Not by looking at the pool. If you want to meet women, then you have to actually meet women Not just go to where women might be.
/r/seduction04/03/26 11:58 PM
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Don't bother. It's a waste of your time and energy and *extremely* unlikely to have an outcome that you want. Most of the the time "lets just be friends" is a polite way of her saying that she has no interest in your future company. (Women have to be polite for their own safety). But if she does actually want to be friends with you, then you have leverage for social proof: If you have social interests in common, invite her along to social events that you'd be doing anyway and that she has an int…
/r/seduction01/03/26 09:20 PM
2

Far far too many variables involved to give a rate estimate.
/r/seduction01/03/26 08:41 AM
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That's why you never ever ever see bad people with attractive women. For pete's sake, don't comment here unless you've learnt a little about the field.
/r/seduction15/02/26 08:40 PM
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Yeah, this isn't your fault at all. Very very few members of the sub understand what practical advice is or what it even looks like. Most submitters have preconceived ideas of what seduction/pickup is, and they spout bullshit without having done any of the most basic homework. The better coaches and students aren't on this sub because they won't put up with its bullshit. Some quality posts are drowned in the sea of bullshit. I'd like to see a sub with strong moderation, where zero-value submitte…
/r/seduction12/02/26 07:13 PM
1

You gave no practical advice. Giving no practical advice is indeed the opposite of giving practical advice.
/r/seduction12/02/26 07:07 PM
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Yeah, a lot of people post here: * are griefers * don't know shit about seduction Looks certainly matter. But they aren't the only (or even main) determining factor when it comes to getting dates. Social skills are also a determinant, and can easily outweigh looks. Social skills pertinant to dating can be improved. Ordinary looking dudes have been charming their way into panties for thousands and thousands of generations. Don't talk yourself or anyone else into being a determined loser.
/r/seduction12/02/26 01:29 AM
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It depends. But here are the basics: For starters understand that your *subcommunication* is more meaningful and more quickly processed than the words that come out of your mouth. To a great degree a woman's receptivity is the result of her subconcious assessment of your character as expressed in your body. Courage / composition under stress is a highly desireable trait and you can't fake it, no matter what you say. But you can emulate it over and over again until you can evoke it. If she's wear…
/r/seduction11/02/26 01:05 AM
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>> Cold approaching in a coffee shop or pub looks desperate. Sure, good for you if you're the guy who can pull it off, but most women I attempt to speak to look at me like a weirdo. Become the guy who can pull it off. Upskilling is the *one* thing you have control over in the shortest amount of time. You can't change your career trajectory overnight or change your looks. But you can improve your social skills.
/r/seduction10/02/26 08:24 PM
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That's exactly the opposite of what you did though. If you really honestly believe this, then you are hallucinating.
/r/seduction03/02/26 09:36 AM
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Practice *what* and *how* though? Piano instructors will tell you which keys to depress and when. They will let you know about scales. They will help you to read music. You can't improve if every tutor and instruction manual just repeats "just practice!" without giving you any practical advice. At the moment, the only thing you are repeating is that you have no practical advice to offer. Instead of describing how useless you are to people trying to learn, just don't say anything.
/r/seduction03/02/26 07:51 AM
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"In order to play piano, you just need to jump on it and press the keys! just keep doing it til it sounds good! Don't overthink it!" This kind of advice would be shit in a sub for improving at piano. These posts add less than no value to this sub and should be deleted. We are here because we want to learn *how* to improve. If you can't describe that, then you've got nothing of value to offer.
/r/seduction28/01/26 06:47 PM
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Getting laid a lot. When you shift to an abundance mindset, you won't commit to regular micro-obsessions. Yes - there's a paradox there: the barrier to abundance itself is scarcity itself. That's just the game. > Have fulfilling relationships with friends and family... become more authentic [etc] Ignore that advice. It's shit. Having an abundance of oxygen doesn't make you less likely to want food. It's apples and oranges.
/r/seduction27/01/26 07:55 PM
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>> so I asked "would you like to go somewhere more private?" And the vibe immediately shifted. She became very upset and said "you're not supposed to ask that!". I said I was sorry i just wanted to check because maybe you might not like kissing so heavily in the middle of the bar but that's totally ok if you aren't up for that. She then went to the bathroom and when she came back I apologized again. She said I'm not looking for a hookup and don't want to feel pressured into sex. You didn't do an…
/r/seduction27/01/26 07:51 PM
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That's honestly great. But it's not that straightforward for a lot of guys. "Just hang out with girls" is the social skills equivalent of "just invest your first three million in Bridgewater Associates" in the wealth-building world. It skips a lot of steps that many, many guys need help with.
/r/seduction23/01/26 10:55 AM
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Theory doesn't help. Putting into practice does. "Just hanging with girls" is shit advice for guys who haven't acquired the skills. The whole point of game is to help guys get those skills.
/r/seduction22/01/26 01:48 AM
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"Just be confident" type advice is shit. This field wouldn't exist if this advice wasn't useless.
/r/seduction22/01/26 01:42 AM
1

Nothing different from any member of a non-minority. I just put some work in and yielded results. Being visually obviously not in the majority ethnicity really has no bearing on my results. I'd suggest that you be very careful of attributing success or hinderance on anything other than the work you put in.
/r/seduction20/01/26 11:31 PM
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You've switched your position from: "Don't do reps" to "do reps are required". You are also strawmanning: your new position is an argument against something I'm not arguing for. Quit your pointless online trolling shit. Go out and talk to women instead. Blocking you for being a complete waste of time.
/r/seduction19/01/26 03:27 AM
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Basically, you are full of shit. Social skills improve with frequent practice. Telling people to reduce their training frequency makes no sense. Your next step is to go to the bodybuilding subreddit and tell the bros that their gains would improve if they stopped lifting frequently.
/r/seduction19/01/26 02:54 AM
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Sure thing man. I'll link you to some of his videos that I've saved. I accept that they won't resonate with everybody. But for me, they reinforced or introduced me to a few concepts that I found useful. Some random selections from my saved videos: https://youtu.be/DWh3H24nqj8?si=xlUKBj7Xr0o_YYFA https://youtu.be/KtgYwK9AkBA?si=QXeC2Kx6rPnhVlKL https://youtu.be/Wk4jTo2bytE?si=j9wxbhRtynTiETLm https://youtu.be/llaPeduhHnY?si=P8xUL-iA31cvW4rr Some things that I find useful in his content: * The imp…
/r/seduction18/01/26 09:04 PM
2

I actually like Tyler's youtube stuff. I appreciate the confrontational style he uses to cover a range of self-development topics. I know it's not for everyone though. Jeffy and Julien are still with the company. His stuff is still promoted by RSD's current branding (even though that's about to change). Todd V and RSD had a massive falling out. Todd sued RSD. I don't know whether that was ever resolved, but he's severely sore about it. And Tyler makes passing reference to it.
/r/seduction17/01/26 11:39 PM
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>> People here dont even consider it normal. That's a massive advantage for you. You've already eliminated a huge amount of competition before entering the arena.
/r/seduction15/01/26 10:42 PM
1

They are pretty much the only coaching company that have survived since the industry started. They've just been marketing themselves under different brand-names. They are currently planning to launch new materials and services under the 'RSD' brand. They will be bringing the 'RSD Nation' forums back online this year.
/r/seduction15/01/26 10:17 PM
3

That would work if your friends are dating coaches and good at it.
/r/seduction15/01/26 10:15 PM
1

Thanks. I'll check him out!
/r/seduction04/01/26 10:43 AM
1

I'm not looking for generic, nonspecific "just be confident" style advice. You can either read my post or my previous reply to you to check that. This sub is 90% crud and 10% gold. You are adding to the crud.
/r/seduction04/01/26 10:29 AM
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Great. More generic, impractical, unactionable advice. The entire reason that this domain exists is because advice like that is shit. The actual problem I'm attempting to solve is described concisely and precisely in my post. If you have nothing of value to offer in response, then don't bother responding.
/r/seduction04/01/26 10:26 AM
1

That's not a coach. That's a youtube video.
/r/seduction04/01/26 06:07 AM
1

If I wanted a few syllables of generic, non-specific advice I would have posted my question in the gardening or cooking subs. Read my post. I'm asking for something specific, and I've described it specifically.
/r/seduction04/01/26 06:05 AM
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I've asked for coaching in a specific domain because I want to find coaching in that specific domain. I am absolutely certain that I *do* need outside support. I'm in marketing myself, and I'm ok with doing my own assessment on their capacity to deliver what I need. Yeah, I'm certain that a lot of coaches don't perform as well as their marketing implies. I'm also certain that some coaches are excellent. I'm still willing to take the risk of assessing coaches who might be able to help.
/r/seduction04/01/26 01:59 AM
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Not specific enough. I'm generally fine in social settings. I'm looking for coaching to overcome approach anxiety. If I wanted to improve my chess openings I wouldn't look for a coach who specialised in scrabble.
/r/seduction04/01/26 01:55 AM
1

Self-improvement and upskilling results in better results. You can continue to practice chess blindfolded and without thinking about upskilling if you want to. That's fine. But your results are unlikely to improve.
/r/seduction03/01/26 11:52 PM
1

Imaging going to a subreddit on chess and telling people not to get chess coaching.
/r/seduction03/01/26 11:50 PM
1

You have literally demonstrated my point while debunking your own, while simultaneously demonstrating that you don't understand the skills pertinant to this domain.
/r/seduction03/01/26 01:14 AM
1

You are hallucinating on multiple levels. It's hard to know where to start. It's generally impossible to talk people out of hallucinating. But if you want a pathway out of your mental distortions, think about whether 29 is really too old for men to find women desireable. If you can't get find your way past that hallucination, there is little hope for you.
/r/seduction03/01/26 01:12 AM
1

Having fun is neccessary and insufficient. I can enjoy playing chess even though I'm losing most of the time. At some point if you want successes in skilled endevours, you have to consciously work on improving your skill.
/r/seduction28/12/25 11:12 PM
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I'm not really open or poly relationships. But I've discovered that open/poly people have a huge amount to teach mono people about the skills and value of communication. I learn that when open/poly people have created secure relationships that nourish both partners, they've had to face demons, see and destroy overt and subtle subconcious manipulation, be so honest with each other and themselves that it hurts. Those models of relating aren't for me. But I've learnt from the open/poly people in my…
/r/seduction25/12/25 10:16 AM
3

Absolutely not. All bars and clubs have strict rules against men and women talking to each other now. Additionally, all bars and clubs have radioactive electronic devices installed at the entrance points that switch off sexuality in women the moment they walk in, so that women are uninterested in conversation and romance for the time that they are in the bar or club.
/r/seduction24/12/25 08:40 PM
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>> Yes 100% college girls will think its creepy if a guy in his 30s is gaming. Any college girl who honestly believes that men over 29 are somehow creepy for having a libido simply doesn't deserve the time of day.
/r/seduction17/12/25 01:49 AM
2

Those stats are pure ass and product of someones ass.
/r/seduction17/12/25 01:47 AM
1

They are reasonably good events for practicing the fundamentals. Use the even to help you get in state before heading out sarging. Even better, use post-event socializing to leave with one or more of the women to use as social proof for working nearby social venues. So before you go, check your events guide for fun-looking events happening on the same evening.
/r/seduction12/12/25 07:18 PM
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woooooooosh
/r/seduction08/12/25 11:48 PM
1

That's because the apps suck. The guy recommending the apps doesn't know shit about dating and doesn't know shit about the frameworks that this sub is based on. The reality is that you *can* improve your results in the real world if you have * the right knowledge frameworks... * ...backing up the right kind of in-field practice * a determination to deepen the right mindsets to a level of deep identity. I'm not aware of a beginners syllabus - certainly not a canonical one. But I'd recommend the b…
/r/seduction07/12/25 10:10 PM
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Yeah, my experience matches this. Seduction skills helped me to get partners that I was really passionate about. I felt like I didn't have to settle anymore. I was really proud of the women that I was getting into relationships with. But at a deeper level, my psyche hadn't caught up. My relationships suffered for two reasons that I was able to identify: * Because I hadn't been getting girlfiends before learning seduction skills, I had simply missed out on learning fundamental relationship skills…
/r/seduction07/12/25 07:30 PM
1

>> But that means learning to be a good dancer in addition to everything else. No it doesn't. You are allowed to go to clubs and talk to people.
/r/seduction02/12/25 11:06 PM
1

Getting experience is critical. The value of outside coaching or courses and books is that they can give you course correction as you learn in-field. It's like learning a combat art: you will definitely learn what you need by actually fighting. But without outside input your performance is likely to be limited.
/r/seduction30/11/25 11:35 PM
1

Skill issue. Improve your skill. For starters on *how* to improve your skill... read the wiki for starters.
/r/seduction27/11/25 12:28 AM
1

You are either a bot spouting mindless bs, or you are doing a great job of impersonating one.
/r/seduction26/11/25 07:46 PM
1

>> The difference between a guru and a noob is that the guru has more attempts. The difference is more skill. Yeah, even guru's get rejected lots. But their rejection rate is lower than a noob because they are more skilled. Anyone who has even seriously tried to learn this stuff knows that skill makes a difference.
/r/seduction26/11/25 08:27 AM
1

Basically, you've posted something in this sub without knowing anything about the sub itself, the culture behind it, or seduction itself. Your post has all the value of a drive-by vomit.
/r/seduction26/11/25 05:16 AM
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Sample sizes of 1 against a population of 8.26 billion will skew your results.
/r/seduction25/11/25 08:24 PM
2

A distinction without a difference.
/r/seduction25/11/25 08:09 PM
1

I'm all for practical actionable advice. But practical actionable advice don't matter for shit if it isn't premised on treating women like human beings.
/r/seduction25/11/25 08:08 PM
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Maybe stop seeing women as 'resources' and learn how to become attractive to the women you are naturally attracted to instead.
/r/seduction23/11/25 08:01 PM
1

If you want to meet the right women, then go out and meet women. If you want to learn salsa, then go to salsa lessons. You don't need salsa or anything else to meet women. You just need to work on the particular social skills that are specific to creating romantic relationships.
/r/seduction16/11/25 09:00 PM
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Yeah, 99.99999% of the time the Man Hating Feminist is a product of a dude's hallucination. Too many bros are just oversensitive, overly emotionally reactive and have little empathy for women.
/r/seduction12/11/25 07:45 PM
2

I don't think the issue here is a difference of opinions. The issue here is your conversational skill. If discussing contentious issues ruins your connection, then you should reflect on your emotional reactivity.
/r/seduction12/11/25 10:13 AM
2

Learn the basics. Read the wiki for this sub. Find and read the book Double Your Dating. Learn the social skills that are specific to dating and you'll be miles ahead of most guys within a few weeks or months of practice.
/r/seduction12/11/25 03:56 AM
1

"Nah fam, going for a run and not eating mcDonalds every day is undoable... ... and what happens if you do actually get physically fit. You'll just discover that life is empty devoid of meaning once you reduce your risk of heart failure".
/r/seduction11/11/25 06:02 AM
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He doesn't want to read it properly. Some people are so addicted to not having shitty love lives that they will force their brains to distort any incoming input that could transform their lives. His response is such a great example of cope.
/r/seduction11/11/25 06:00 AM
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You are dead right. I honestly feel sympathy for dudes like OP. I genuinely feel for them. But you are still right. He's shifted into victim mode, which is deeply unconstructive when it comes to romance. It's not his fault that he's like that. He's fallen into a spiral of hopelessness because he's had no decent guidance and shit results. That shit will weigh you down. If he had the right input he could see possiblities that could bring him hope and excitement. But he also has to take responsibli…
/r/seduction10/11/25 09:34 PM
1

That's the point though: it works. Practicing a skills helps you improve at that skill. You can't expect to improve at, say, jujitsu if you go once a month. It's exactly the same for social skills. The more you practice the better you get.
/r/seduction10/11/25 09:30 PM
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This is shit advice when taken on it's own. This is good advice when the missing part is added back in. The missing part is that OP needs to learn the social skills specific to dating. Self-development is great for rounding out a personality. But a rounded-out personality without dating skills is nerfed when it comes to dating.
/r/seduction10/11/25 09:27 PM
3

Anyone who posts "just be confident" should get an instant permaban.
/r/seduction09/11/25 08:10 PM
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That's cos the whole post is the product of garbled, valueless overthinking. It's nearly as if a bot has read about day game and has then asked to overcomplicate it. OP has Mystery Method Envy.
/r/seduction08/11/25 08:53 PM
1

That's great. If she's saying that to you, then she's in conversation with you. You've hooked. At that point you can continue the conversation. You can talk about meeting people and share your experiences. Reading through the responses in the thread I'm honestly confused about why y'all think that the women who respond like this are "showing a bad attitude" or something. She's just commenting on your approach. She isn't declining your invitation to a conversation. The whole job of an opener is t…
/r/seduction08/11/25 07:44 PM
1

Nobody cares about your helpfulness value if your social skills suck. Developing ocial skills are entirely what this sub is about. Imagine going to a fitness subreddit and declaring that excercise isn't important.
/r/seduction07/11/25 02:05 AM
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Yes - it is a first step and you should feel good about your progress. But also - sm connections don't mean much. You might be the dozenth dude she gave her sm details to that day. The odds are that the contact is entirely forgettable to her. But you made progress. You should feel **great** about it! Remember - the aim of the game isn't to get the girl. The aim of the game is to become the kind of person who can get girls. And by approaching directly you are teaching your brain that it's ok to b…
/r/seduction07/11/25 12:47 AM
1

So start approaching.
/r/seduction06/11/25 05:37 AM
4

Your friends are idiots.
/r/seduction02/11/25 09:33 PM
1

I don't believe that you are the bottom one. I believe that you are addicted to misery. I'm not saying that to be 'mean internet guy' or anything. I just think you should take a serious look at your motivations for not succeeding. Any man capable of tying his own shoelaces can improve their game.
/r/seduction31/10/25 11:32 PM
1

I don't know what PWF or JAL are. Upskilling is entirely possible for the man of average - or below average intellectual capacity. If you honestly believe you are incapable of upskilling then there are two possibilities: * You are determined to not upskill. There are many possible reasons for this. You might be addicted to misery. * You are far, far below average in cognitive and intellectual capacity.
/r/seduction31/10/25 10:14 PM
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>> I never really followed any PUA advice , I more so just worked on being the best possible authentic version of myself I can be! Sounds like you haven't really paid attention to "PUA advice". The good instructors in this area give *practical advice* and training wheels for authentic expression. I mean, good on you for working on your authenticity. But what you are saying is like "I've never done any weightlifting! I've just lifted heavy things!" ... which is great - up until the point where yo…
/r/seduction30/10/25 11:03 PM
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It's also a good comparison because OP's issue requires upskilling. Yet he is also determined to not upskill.
/r/seduction29/10/25 02:45 AM
1

If you honestly think that inviting people to have conversations is bad, then stop commenting on the sub that is about getting better at inviting people to have conversations.
/r/seduction27/10/25 09:27 AM
1

Why are on you a sub focused on helping men to improve their social skills if you think that men trying to improve their social skills is bad?
/r/seduction27/10/25 09:26 AM
1

>> nah, it works fine. I've experimented with all the cheesy PUA stuff you're probbaly thinking of (cold reads blablaa). It's NOT superior. You are thinking of a caricature of the skillset. You are unfamiliar with the basics and clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
/r/seduction22/10/25 11:32 PM
1

Honestly, nothing personal but this is terrible advice. This is the same kind of convo that women in clubs have heard since forever, and they are bored with it. Don't ask questions until they start asking you questions. If they start asking you questions, then you know that they are at the point where they are thinking about you as Possibly Interesting instead of Just Another Club Guy.
/r/seduction21/10/25 12:34 AM
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>> Sex without connection It really doesn't have to be. That's not automatically inherant at all in learning game. Learning how to create options doesn't oblige you to take all of them all the time.
/r/seduction17/10/25 06:19 AM
1

Improve your social skills. Read the wiki.
/r/seduction13/10/25 09:40 AM
2

I completely disagree with becomesharp. Mystery Method was always just a framework. That framework is a backward-engineered model of how dating works in the modern world. Women have not changed so fundamentally that they will not end up in bed with men who display a combination of social proof, social acuity, sense of self-worth, confidence and patience. Those are the qualities that MM helps men to apply. False time constraints and emotionally-triggering openings have never stopped working. In f…
/r/seduction13/10/25 08:09 AM
1

No worries. Sorry for being grouchy.
/r/seduction09/10/25 09:49 PM
2

>> I lived with one of Owen’s assistant and was close to Rsd’s community and their accountant years ago and would’ve Owen all the time and Julian That sounds interesting. I bet you have some stories. >> Owen’s real thing I don’t think is pickup, it’s social skills and learning to become attractive which still apply. Personally I don't really think that there's a difference between "socials skills+learning to become attractive" and "pickup". They are two phrases for exactly the same thing. I mean…
/r/seduction09/10/25 09:48 PM
2

>> I’ve tried the 3-second rule, but it hasn’t really worked for me What happens when you follow it? Does the woman dissapear in a puff of smoke or something?
/r/seduction09/10/25 09:24 AM
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>> but you are 100% false in saying that eye contact and body language aren't part of the basics, they are You are hallucinating bro. I didn't say that. Nor would I.
/r/seduction09/10/25 08:27 AM
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>> What im really confused about is some people are saying that if your tall then women seem to flock to you, yet I dont seem to be one of those people. Congratulations for discovering that most dating advice is complete shit. Yeah, height is a *slight* advantage. But it is not sufficient. >> Anyway I would appreciate tips or advice on my current issue. Read the wiki of this sub. Read 'Double Your Dating'. Maybe hit up the Mark Manson book 'Models'. I've started to read it, and it's ok so far. W…
/r/seduction09/10/25 08:21 AM
8

You are overthinking or you aren't familiar with the basics.
/r/seduction09/10/25 08:08 AM
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There's no real point wasting time and energy thinking about esoteric shit like this. Learn the basics. Get in-field. Improve as you get experience and feedback.
/r/seduction09/10/25 07:08 AM
1

>> in particular, believing authenticity is a liability and must be stifled to keep attraction alive. In pickup/seduction culture, authentic self-expression is encouraged. It's considered pretty essential to improvement.
/r/seduction08/10/25 11:14 PM
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>> On the point of thirsty and lustful, what would you say is the main differentiator between a positive sexual energy that attracts and a lustful energy that repels? Undifferentiated sexual desire hits one of two channels: The positive channel seeks connection. It is a giving, generous energy. The negative channel is associated with selfishness. It seeks pure self-satisfaction without regard to the other. The other becomes an object, whose desires don't matter. Body energy coming through the ne…
/r/seduction08/10/25 11:02 PM
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>> I usually just go up and say ‘hey what’s your name’. I know it isn’t the best approach but I have seen other guys do it and it work at the club. Before asking for advice, become familiar with the basics. Looking at your comments on this thread, you've got no idea of the basic seduction theory. You can't expect to score in a game like, say tennis, without knowing the rules. Read the wiki for this sub. Hit up a book or two. If you can, find a peer group that is into learning this stuff. Then ge…
/r/seduction07/10/25 07:26 PM
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>> How to take the step and approach a girl to say hi? By approaching the girl and saying hi. >> Is there anyway I could shut that pussy inside me? By approaching the girl and saying hi. >> like some techniques you guys used to use and worked for you? Approach the girl and say hi. The fear is going to remain. But it will have less power over you as you approach more girls and say hi
/r/seduction07/10/25 08:56 AM
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I think that he's categorising himself as an inadequate coward. I'm all for him busting through the barrier that his ego has installed. I'm just saying that that's up to him, and us rooting for him doesn't seem to be helping.
/r/seduction07/10/25 08:54 AM
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This is either: * Skill issue, or * Personality issue Work on both. >> You have to have a level of insanity to keep modern dating. Stop whinging. Drop the negative attitude and the victim mindset. Keep working on your skills and your character.
/r/seduction07/10/25 05:25 AM
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>> hotseat at home showed tyler eating a tonne of 'not interested's' in a row for example. Tyler has the balls to broadcast some of the rejections that he gets. There's no way to tell his success:failure ratio based on the rejections from infield video. I have no idea why anyone with a functioning brain would conclude that he's crap simply because they've seen some of the rejection clips that he's chosen to publish.
/r/seduction07/10/25 12:04 AM
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Don't worry about not caring. Just do it. Honestly, I'm watching you in this thread let your excuse-generation subsystem own you. You've mistaken your excuse generation system for who you really are. None of this is helpful. In the end you are going to have to choose for yourself. And at the moment you are choosing to have another day, another month, another year feeling like an inadequate coward. That's on you and nobody cares. I don't care. Nobody else in this thread cares. The women you want …
/r/seduction06/10/25 11:00 PM
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Of course you are going to look stupid. Social skills are like every other kind of skill: you can't improve without fucking up. Getting in your head and caring what they think isn't really the problem. Those are just underlying symptoms of the problem. The problem is that your (good) desperation for change in your life is triggering your ego. Your ego hates change and is madly clinging to the familiar. Your ego has strategically hijacked your brain and forced you to focus on What Others Might Th…
/r/seduction05/10/25 09:06 PM
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>> I want to be able to approach women but my self esteem is so low Fuck your self-esteem issues. Just approach anyway. Learn very basic of seduction theory (a book like Double Your Dating is a perfect resource), read a little bit about the specifics of cold approach skill, maybe watch a few youtube videos... ... and then get in-field. Having good interactions with women or waking up with a beautiful woman is a pretty good way to start chipping away at self-esteem issues.
/r/seduction05/10/25 08:32 PM
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You are dead right. But practice needs good guidance. There need to be good starting points and good starting theory.There need to be waypoints as well. Ideally, peer support - both infield and postfact critique would be good too. Practice is absolutely critical. But it needs to be grounded in good theory.
/r/seduction03/10/25 04:44 AM
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Double Your Dating. It's a simple and short. But it gives the reader a really good grounding in seduction theory. And it also gives excellent *practical* advice. Advice that the reader can take action on as soon as they read it. There are a shitload of materials out there - workshops, seminar recordings, books, courses etc - of varying quality. But if I had to pick *just one* resource then Double Your Dating would be it.
/r/seduction03/10/25 04:41 AM
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I'm calling on bullshit on this answer unless you describe specifics.
/r/seduction30/09/25 11:37 PM
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I remember in the old days, the PUA gurus would comment on this phenomenon. They would say that 'naturals' are the worst teachers, because they are generally incapable of breaking down what they are doing systematically. Things just work for them. I've had that same experience with naturals myself. After I improved, I started slipping into the same groove. It became harder to tell "AFC's" what they were doing wrong and how to improve.
/r/seduction24/09/25 08:49 PM
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This is a case of the worst possible advice being the best possible advice. "Just be yourself" "Just tell her how you feel" These things are worthless and meaningless to guys with zero skills. But once you have some solid experience with the basic skillset these things become very useful. "Trust your instincts" is a huge example for me personally. A few years ago that advice would have been worse than useless. But after some years of working the basics, you get woken up to the deeper totally nat…
/r/seduction24/09/25 07:26 PM
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Earlier you claimed that you can tell the difference between harassment and initiating conversation. It's clear at this point that there's a battle going on in your head between two schizophrenic halves that completely disagree with each other.
/r/seduction23/09/25 01:02 AM
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If you can honestly tell the difference then someone hijacked your account and made a comment using it a couple of hours ago. The person making that comment clearly cannot tell the difference.
/r/seduction23/09/25 01:00 AM
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If you can't tell the difference between harassment and initiating conversations then you need to look in the mirror.
/r/seduction22/09/25 10:20 PM
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Assuming you know the basics (read the wiki if you don't) then you'll understand that blowing it is a part of learning. We are rooting for you. But to be honest - you've admitted having very little experience in this field. This means that your chance of blowing it is higher than it otherwise would be. Which is great. Because you get to make the mistakes that you need to make in order to learn. You are probably confused by his sentence because you haven't learnt the basic theory yet.
/r/seduction22/09/25 07:56 AM
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Memorize the whole of it. That whole comment is gold. Acrobatic-Show3732 sounds like one of the few people in this sub worth listening to. The only thing I'd add is to enjoy the experience for what it is - whether or not you blow it.
/r/seduction22/09/25 06:41 AM
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>> but she gets weirded out that I made a move Weirded out how? Can you share how you made a move and how you responded? How did the conversation go from there?
/r/seduction22/09/25 06:19 AM
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Yeah, me and a wing did a variation on this: I'd hand him $100. I'd get $10 back for every approach that I did.
/r/seduction22/09/25 03:29 AM
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How did you make it into college with such shit communication skills? Your post is garbled: You've released a short stream-of-conciousness screed vaguely expressing non-specific fears and without asking a clear question. Muddled writing expresses muddled thinking. Edit your post to make sense. After that maybe you'll be able to get useful advice.
/r/seduction22/09/25 02:27 AM
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Who is Dorianlost? I got results by learning from the old forums and books and then spending time applying what I read. Some people I know personally did RSD courses back when they existed. When I saw them in-field after they did the courses I could see their improvement. I'm looking for a course now. Not because I'm lacking in theory. But more because I want to connect with other guys who are committed to improving. -- edit -- Ok, I've found Dorians site. He seems to be focused on online dating…
/r/seduction15/09/25 02:40 AM
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In my experience, hotter women appreciate cold approach more and respond more positively to it. This is just my personal experience though. And this might be because of cultural conditions in my country/city. It could be because women who aren't as hot aren't used to the attention as much, so they might automatically feel defensive? It might also be because of my vibe? Like, the more easily a woman can sense the helplessness of my attraction to them, the stronger their emotional response? Perhap…
/r/seduction15/09/25 01:47 AM
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>> Give me one good reason An infinite number of good reasons - an infinite volume of evidence for good outcomes - will not convince you. This is because you are addicted to being a loser You cling so hard to your hopelessness and despair that you stink of it. Its that stink that guarantees that the women you approach will reject you. I'd invite you to try and get rid of that stink. But you are far too attached to it.
/r/seduction14/09/25 10:13 AM
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Enjoy missing 100% of those shots buddy.
/r/seduction12/09/25 08:22 AM
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You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Some of us take shots. We get better at it as we go. Over time more of those shots score. You can stay on the benches wallowing in a victim mentality if you want to. Your call.
/r/seduction11/09/25 08:22 PM
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That makes no sense.
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:12 PM
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>> So how can we "get better"? To expand on this - many, many of us absolutely sucked for our entire adult lifes when it came to love/sex/romance/whateveryouwant to call it. Personally when I found that there were ways to improve *on your own* I went out and experimented. In real life. At clubs, bars and on the street. I got better. I ended up having successes that I could never have imagined possible. Ultimately it's your choice whether to attempt to improve your social skills or not. Any man c…
/r/seduction11/09/25 09:14 AM
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>> How do you get better, if you get no feedback of what you've done wrong and there are no guidelines how to do it right? Stop wallowing and being a victim. *Find* sources of feedback. Find the guidelines - they do exist. >> So how can we "get better"? There are a zillion resources - both free and commercial. They vary in quality. Spend time studying them and experimenting. >> The cost of mistake can be too high. That's true if you decide. But unknown thousands of very average and sub-average g…
/r/seduction11/09/25 09:07 AM
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Skill issue. Get better at approaching. The fact that women rapidly repel subpar dudes should *encourage* guys trying to improve this part of their life.
/r/seduction10/09/25 10:46 PM
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Absolutely nothing personal, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Direct is good for everyone, but particularly hard for beginners to actually do. The more experience and skill you get in general, the more powerful direct openers are.
/r/seduction10/09/25 12:46 PM
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Yeah, that's it exactly. The opener is just the opener - even it has all the advantages of being direct. You still have build rapport and demonstrate value.
/r/seduction10/09/25 12:42 PM
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>>it usually takes about 1500-2000 approaches before real results start showing Kudos for sticking with it. But that that seems waaaaay to high a number. 100 approaches a day also seems way, way too high. Personally I feel like an average guy should start seeing results after perhaps a couple of dozen approaches? Not knocking you though. It's great that you are getting results and enjoying your experience.
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:24 PM
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Direct openers are great. In my experience, they are a great pattern interrupt and have been received really positively the vast majority of the time. I think that the energy you bring in to the interaction makes a difference. It *can* force a decision, but it doesn't have to. I think that depends largely on your energy and your followup to the opener. After you've given her a moment to process, you should follow up with conversation that carries the interaction for the next minute, and conveys …
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:20 PM
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You are being dishonest. Either you are being dishonest about the work you are doing on yourself, or you are being dishonest about your engagement with that work. Nobody who really engages with working on themselves for six months will be desperately suicidal or suicidaly desperate after 6 months of the kind of work you are claiming to engage in. If you aren't out-and-out lying to us, then you are missing some part of the story. >> Then, took on 3 months training program with mentors and a big c…
/r/seduction08/09/25 05:25 AM
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Giant whingy cope. If you want to meet women, then the best thing to do is to... go out and meet women. OP is wasting his, mine and your mental energy because he'd rather hide in the basement rather than go out and meet women.
/r/seduction07/09/25 12:35 AM
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Ideally some women want Mr Drywall Diet to be a nice guy, because they are attracted to him. Mr Drywall just happens to have attractive characteristics that some women are unable to describe. So they'll date him. It's not true of all women of course. But what people say they want and what people will go for are very often two very different things. That's just the way the game works.
/r/seduction05/09/25 02:55 AM
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Yeah, it's fine to have "back pocket openers". Now that you know you can approach, use some openers that are less "pickupy" and that perhaps show real curiosity about her. I suspect that one reason your hit rate is so low is because you are going in like Desert Storm, which makes you seem like you are playing a character. And that's fine because it got you in-game. But you want to start showing that you are a real person who is genuinely curious. Maybe mention something that you noticed about he…
/r/seduction04/09/25 12:46 AM
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Work on different openers. That one is fine for getting you in-game. But depending on your vibe, it could signal pre-qualification. You want to structure your conversations so that she has to demonstrate that she's interested in deepening connection with you. You are doing great - I'm not criticising you. It's great that you can approach with confidence. But I reckon that you need to create room for a conversation to breath. Find out a little more about her. Give her the opportunity to express c…
/r/seduction03/09/25 09:41 PM
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>> I’m 130 reps in. At this point, approaching is reflexive. I have no fear. Today alone I did 12 approaches. But the results? Out of 130, That answers your question: your approach anxiety has receded. So yes, it was worth it. Your next step is to refine your skills and sensitivity within the conversations that you start. This is something that you couldn't possibly do without doing those 130 approaches. >> But realistically, how often will women actually take a chance on a stranger they talked …
/r/seduction03/09/25 09:35 PM
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Using an app instead of talking to girls seems counterproductive.
/r/seduction01/09/25 10:42 PM
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Me and my wings had a loose rule: if you opened, then your wing gives you a clear runway. You and your wing should support each other in your goals. Winging should involve creating all-around win-win situations. Because seduction is also about character development, you should also use situations like this to practice clear communication with your wing: hold both of yourselves to high standards, without playing the victim or playing a blame game. "Leave x for me" is bullshit, especially if it's …
/r/seduction31/08/25 01:24 AM
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>> She asked me why, I said just a friendly hangout. Why be inauthentic? Next time a woman asks this, just be straight up.
/r/seduction26/08/25 12:16 AM
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You aren't wrong. But I don't think that kind of advice practical. I think for guys that are really starting from the ground, resources like the Double Your Dating book can be really good (I recommended it in another comment).
/r/seduction25/08/25 11:42 PM
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Find the book 'Double Your Dating'. It's pretty old, but it gives you a really simple mindset approach with examples.
/r/seduction25/08/25 11:40 PM
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>> What kind of feedback loop does that send to the body if you keep facing rejection over and over again? That rejection doesn't matter and has no power over you. That the social norms that you complain about have only limited power over you. That you can indeed break those social norms related to cold approach without negative consequence. That 5 approaches is just your warm up, and *gives* you energy and motivation rather than takes it away.
/r/seduction25/08/25 11:32 PM
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Players should always be looking to up their own game. If I like her and I'm at risk of not being up to her standards, I should look at where I'm at.
/r/seduction22/08/25 12:17 AM
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"I do fancy shmancy computery shit. I love it but it's boring to talk about. Tell me about the last novel you read".
/r/seduction21/08/25 11:16 PM
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This kind of thing is what "tell her how you feel" is really all about.
/r/seduction20/08/25 08:20 PM
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Lol. You are getting downvoted hard. I think that most dudes in this sub don't really understand why you are 100% right. For those dorks who don't get it: A goal of the "PUA lifestyle" is to make seduction easy. You can't do this without achieving transformations in your identiity that inevitably make the acquisition of a high-quality partner much less challenging that it would otherwise be. The "PUA lifestyle" *requires* you to build your character. Become a better man. Become a better person a…
/r/seduction10/08/25 11:52 PM
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Are you 12?
/r/seduction07/08/25 03:36 AM
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One foot at a time. If the fear ever goes away, it's absence will only ever be momentary. After you do something *while* you are afraid of it then fear's control over you will diminish.
/r/seduction06/08/25 04:41 AM
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>> Girls are ALWAYS grateful that I approach them, my confidence has skyrocketed I had this thing happening that weirded me out for years, and still does sometimes. I'll bump into women that I've approached and who rejected me. And they will be super-happy to see me and they'll greet me very warmly. Even if I don't see them again for *a year or two*! It's weird and cool. My lesson from this is that women actually like it when they are perceived by non-complete-weirdos as being beautiful.
/r/seduction06/08/25 03:44 AM
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>> 10 approaches without an ounce of success. You need to assess your what a 'success' is. At the beginning you'll get obvious wins. But at the beginning the point isn't to get numbers or dates. The point is to train your brain out of some negative thoughts, beliefs and behaviours. Most guys don't approach because at some level they believe that rejection = death. After a few dozen approaches you learn that you aren't going to die, and that rejections - and the emotions that sometimes come with …
/r/seduction06/08/25 03:41 AM
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Average thursday, friday, saturday night in a small city.
/r/seduction06/08/25 03:38 AM
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Use your feet and your words. Using your feet, walk over the the dude you are interested in. Then you use words. This can be a bit harder: you have to be able to construct coherent sentences. Once you've learnt to construct coherent sentences, then you should be fine.
/r/seduction05/08/25 01:21 AM
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Sure, with that attitude.
/r/seduction05/08/25 01:19 AM
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I'm quite aware of the history. Owen adopting MM isn't really a big deal. People in the community always shared techniques and frameworks. If you honestly believe that sharing and adopting skills are somehow inauthentic then stop doing it. Leave self-improvement to us curious learners.
/r/seduction23/07/25 10:40 PM
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I honestly don't know why you believe that using shared knowledge demonstrates inauthenticity. If you really believed that, then you wouldn't be interested in either game or any field of self-improvement at all. If you don't like the word 'hate' then we can used "misguided obsession" instead.
/r/seduction23/07/25 09:34 PM
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Hating on someone for applying shared knowledge is a waste of energy.
/r/seduction23/07/25 12:35 PM
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Indeed. He comes across as skillful as well as charismatic and authentic.
/r/seduction23/07/25 12:11 PM
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I just googled Todd Valentine and discovered that he's been in a long-running legal battle with RSD. His account seems to say that the legal battle is also against Owen and Nick Kho. The details are here: https://toddvdating.com/blog/i-need-your-help/ If his description is largely accurate then he's been treated badly by Owen and RSD. It's a shame that these OG's can't sort out their relationships. If the portrayal of Tyler in The Game is even somewhat accurate, then treating Todd like crap in o…
/r/seduction23/07/25 08:32 AM
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I can assure you that I am not Tyler.
/r/seduction23/07/25 07:57 AM
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Owen / Tyler seems to be doing well. Of the Project Hollywood crew, Owen is by far the most successful. He kept growing RSD, and they still run workshops. Owen still runs some himself. He is a multimillionaire and RSD continues to generate profits. I've been watching some of his more recent videos recently. I always considered him something of a screechy selfish brat, although I was aware that I got some of that impression from his portrayal in The Game. But looking at his current youtube conten…
/r/seduction23/07/25 04:17 AM
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Somebody should really create a beginners guide and add it to the sidebar.
/r/seduction22/07/25 01:07 AM
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Yeah, there's definitely a lot of such videos that aren't fake. But I refer you to my previous answer. Some of those videos can definitely be helpful. But my approach to game starts with the somewhat novel concepts "woman are human" and "consent matters". I've seen a lot of those videos. Some of them demonstrate how corny and deluded the PUA is. Some of them show how magical and easy good game can be. But I doubt that the women in the non-fake videos would appreciate videos being circulated cont…
/r/seduction21/07/25 10:02 PM
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In theory this is a great idea. In practice this could be impractical, unethical and/or illegal.
/r/seduction21/07/25 03:32 AM
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>> How do I say this without sounding insecure about myself. Why bother about sounding insecure? Just do it. Do it while being insecure if that's where you are at. He'll either like you or not as you are.
/r/seduction15/07/25 01:46 AM
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Yes. I've never talked about this with anyone. Partly because I think it's very advanced. And partly because I don't think anyone would understand. I've been trying to think about how to communicate this in a way that can be useful. And I haven't figured out how to yet. That intuition is a completely natural animal instinct. And many men - probably most of the men attracted to learning seduction - have become insensitised to it. Learning game both harms and helps that natural sensitivity. "Game"…
/r/seduction13/07/25 10:54 AM
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Whereever you go, there you are. The problem isn't the city bud.
/r/seduction10/07/25 05:41 AM
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