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To what you said, indeed, most men are near average. So what are such men to do? There's a lot of noise out there, a lot of cope, a lot of mixed messaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:26 PM
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Parents dropping the ball on teaching this stuff is the biggest issue I think
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:25 PM
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This kind of thing is why I hate redpill being painted as only anti-woman or whatever. What really saddens me is that where were your parents as far as giving guidance? Somehow they managed to meet each other and have you. So many dysfunctional families, or parents not understanding the importance of teaching this, or something like that, leaving us having to learn all this crap the hard way as kiddos. How do you not be at least a little bitter for some time that you weren't helped in figuring t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:24 PM
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It's the trope that affections can be earned. Because of how movies work, where you introduce characters, they change through the plot, and in kids movies you usually have a happy ending. Life isn't so simple, just in general. A very common way of doing this is that if the protagonist is a boy/man, initially his love interest isn't interested, and he wins her over in the end. The little mermaid isn't a good example because it's a female protagonist. Affections cannot be bought or won, and *that*…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:16 PM
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This is like an atheist telling people who recently became atheists "why did you let your parents, family, friends, all the movies you watched and listened to together influence you into believing in god?". People recoil from child indoctrination and grooming for a reason, children are impressionable, and naturally trust people. Cigarette companies target minors for the very same reason as well. How can you not understand how vulnerable children are to being influenced... do you forget what it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:10 PM
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They were more chaste, doesn't mean they didn't have desires and temptations. Do you think men of the past were somehow more pure and didn't really care about sex? No, not at all. Just that the guardrails put in place limited the worst excesses of both sexes. Did it work perfectly? Hell no. But some guardrails are certainly better than the anarchy we have to deal with now
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:28 AM
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And people think the red pill is just about hating women or whatever. Based take on the cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:26 AM
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Well, if everyone they know is using tiktok, and it is the most used app out there, and they see other people giving evidence of things that fit their own experiences, I think it's natural to think it's a reasonable proxy for assessing reality. We don't exactly have town elders to ask for wisdom from the same way we used to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 08:16 PM
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The why is simple. Women don't generally want to work while the man stays at home. And it's easier for everyone involved, and better for the kids when someone takes care of the home. If women wanted to be breadwinners like this, things would be very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:18 PM
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This is consistently framed as men forcing women to do it, but I have yet to find a woman who would be happy to have her man stay home with the kids or work only part time etc. I'm sure they exist, but it is far from typical. someone's gotta be with the kids, and the research is very clear that it is much better for it to be a parent doing so than a nanny or daycare. Also, one parent focusing on most of the daily home care stuff so that the other can focus on work is more efficient, and typicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:15 PM
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Well here's the issue. It is clearly much worse for children to be raised by strangers, particularly in those early years before school starts. And how many women are having children with men and deciding together for him to stay home for the kids? Sure, a lot of men may feel emasculated, but we know there's many men who have kids with women who earn more than them, and the men aren't usually the ones complaining about that arrangement, when there is complaint. Also, specialization of labor. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:09 PM

Absolutely. It is a yin and yang, a fireball of anger. Watch CGP Grey's video on mind viruses, he very nicely explains the phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:38 AM

Most men don't, but the problem being so common is the result of hookup culture and the sexual revolution. Men and women both used to be shamed for being so crass and dehumanizing, but now it's totally acceptable for intimacy to be as insignificant as shaking hands. So it's no wonder people are objectifying more than ever... Also, I agree with OP that men are being radicalized by experiences they're having of women. And I have absolutely met many women/girls I just enjoyed being around. The conu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:37 AM

So you are acknowledging that these mothers are not asking for child support and that's why they're not getting it? Not sure what your argument even is. Women shouldn't have unprotected sex with men who don't want to be fathers, and if they weren't doing so, this would be a rare issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:30 AM

Because women let men who don't want to be fathers have unprotected sex with them? Clearly, the men who want to have families and the men that are being entertained by so many women are not the same people... you do realize that people are individuals and not just averages, right? That's the ecological fallacy btw
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:26 AM

When criticizing something that some women do sometimes as harmful, that's frequently taken as an attack on women in general. The perennial example being hoe behavior. Also, Men do fight for custody? And how is a single man supposed to have a kid by surrogate? And adoption is not continuing your bloodline. The reason there's so few single fathers is because children by default go to the mother... And the countries with the worst food and shelter access often have the highest fertility rates in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:24 AM

You've got a point. However, punishing men who didn't do any of this to them, being reckless and overcorrecting, is where the cycle is perpetuated. It also doesn't help when women refuse to own the bad things they do while they ask for us to do just that. In short: the emotionality of the response is the problem. Yeah yeah, I've heard a thousand times why one should be emotional in the face of all of this. But emotional thinking leads to fallacious, biased, faulty arguments. And if you seek trut…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:18 AM
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You're forgetting the other parts of the wage gap: women tend to work less hours on average, less overtime, and average personality traits that are less conducive to bold risky demands for pay increases or higher starting pay. Not that I have a problem with this, or think women need to change. I could nitpick further, but generally I think you're right. Men and women each have problems, and bickering over who has it worse is precisely what powerful people would prefer that we do, because not muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:25 AM
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TikTok has us confused. It is the most popular social media platform, and we sure see a whole lot of posts of women either insulting men over dick size, talking about how dick size matters to them, etc, and we see this far more often then women taking your stance. But, there's biases here. Women who aren't worked up about dick size are much less likely to post about dick size, and women saying crazy dumb crap is way more likely to go viral than women being just normal reasonable people. But if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 01:25 AM
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I knew it! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 01:21 AM
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If this isn't true, having such an awfully difficult time finding someone our age when we're younger wouldn't be so wickedly difficult for most men. 2/3 of men under 30 are single (in the US at least), and 1/3 of women under 30 are single. If you're wanting to have a family, and not have kids an irresponsibly short time after meeting someone, you have to target this younger demographic, or accept that you'll probably not get to have your own kids. While it certainly would be nice and ideal to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:19 AM
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A good male friend does the boyfriend stuff without getting boyfriend benefits. Why wouldn't many women be interested in that? And why would men actively seek this out? Same reason friend zoning pretty much only happens in one gender direction. If men do actively try to be friends with women, it's usually either because they'd like to date that woman or meet women to potentially date through her friend group. Consider this: how would a wife feel if her husband were out actively trying to make fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 04:13 AM
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If you're not starting out with her glad to talk to you, you're playing on hard mode. Your chance of success is worse, and it's much harder to pull off. It you're less experienced, focus more on finding people who are social, open, and easy to talk to. They do exist, but you need to get creative
/r/seduction17/06/24 03:47 PM
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I mean it's kind of like asking what would you do if being atheist or gay doesn't work out. What you believe, and the life experiences that shaped that, are not really something you can choose. That said, it depends what you even mean by "working out for you". I've come to peace a while ago.that the world is going to be the way it is, and there's little I can do about that. Some redpillers take that as "enjoy the decline". I take it as "worry about living my life as fulfilling as I can, and don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:01 PM
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Well if the feminists weren't being dumb, they'd realize that a draft is mandatory. Inevitable. The men who are running the show and laying their lives on the line aren't going to tolerate being slaughtered because of a lack of volunteers for very long. The rights issue here is that men are held legally accountable in ways that women are not here. A woman can waive responsibility for an accident in sex, a man cannot. You can argue semantics all day, but them's the facts. What he's referring to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:48 PM
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I mean, I got redpilled by following bluepill thinking and getting a rude awakening. It's kinda in the definition of the terms. That said, there is a lot of crazy shit that the extremists say and do, some of which is probably going to be harmful. Like being a hoe because women are doing it. Dude, that's the reason feminists got into being hoes, they looked at a small minority of men being hoes and got FOMO or jealousy or whatever. Being a hoe isn't good for you regardless of gender
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:44 AM
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Oh, I guess I misread it. It can be difficult sometimes in text format. You're right for sure though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:20 AM
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I mean, women do get called all sorts of bad things, loser just tends to be used primarily for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:24 PM
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Do you live under a rock? It's incredibly common for women to avoid accountability, and very typical for anything wrong in their lives to be blamed on or attributed to men. Granted, in personal life, most of the people I know are capable of taking accountability. I don't know if you're insinuating that I'm self conscious of not being accountable or something... but I can't really defend myself without sounding like I am lol. People who aren't self conscious don't really need to make sure everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:23 PM

Oh for sure! People can just be so hateful in general, and that doesn't really help anybody. Like I've said a few times around here already, I think it's important for women to criticize each other like you said. When men do it, it's not the same. The problem came, I think, from choice feminism gaining wide popularity. It became a faux pas to say anything negative about whatever choices a woman makes. Perhaps they thought with a distorted perception of men that men never face accountability. Yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:19 PM
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I'm sure women do see other women this way, but it has to be more behind the back or in silence, because it's pretty unusual for us to hear this sort of criticism out loud
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:07 PM
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Yes, but calling women out in the same way men are called losers is generally viewed as way more awful
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:06 PM
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Insulting a woman with loser or some similar thing is certainly less common, because it's viewed as misogynistic. But calling a man a loser is not at all bothersome
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:04 PM
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Just in general, any negative treatment of women, no matter how reasonable, appropriate, or justified, can and often will be deemed misogynistic. If you call me a misogynist for wanting to split a bill on a first date, sorry, but you're a clown. The word is almost meaningless at this point with how much people stretch it to meet their demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:23 AM
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I'd venture to say most girls won't feel comfortable kissing unless she's *super* into you right off the bat. Physical escalation is a series of steps, not a leap to the end. Break the touch barrier. If she recoils from you even trying to just touch her, yeah it's a lost cause. If at the end of the date she doesn't even want to hug, or seems to do it out of pity or obligation, also lost cause. But it's pretty ordinary to not end a first date with a kiss. You have to read feedback, no way around …
/r/seduction15/06/24 07:07 AM
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Who is it that is sent to war? I mean, even biologically speaking, women are much more precious than men when it comes to reproduction, as uncomfortable as the thought may be to many people. One man and a hundred women could build a civilization in a lifetime. One women and a hundred men? Probably will die to infighting, but if they don't, serious genetic diversity problems will follow. Like it or not, it's biology. It's pretty reasonable to expect knowing this that men would be viewed as more d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:54 AM
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I'm sorry, but a "bitchy" profile is a cornucopia of red flags. You attract bees with honey. This is a common adage, but it is referenced in How to Win Friends and Influence People. I recommend everyone read it. It's a classic, easy read, and my experience with it is that it helped me to be a lot more conscientious of how I'd like to be treated, and how other people would probably like that too. Consider how you would feel if you read a men's profile with the same kind of tone. Would that not dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:50 AM
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I've done a lot of therapy in my life. What I can tell you is that therapy is never a silver bullet. You have to do the work no matter what you're going to therapy for. All a therapist can do is help guide you, or give you support when you don't have a good support network in your social life or family. Also, therapists vary wildly in approach, focus, personality, etc. And it can be harder to find a good fit than it is to find a mechanic you trust. As a result, I've had to do a whole lot of "the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:42 AM
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The notion that men will bang anything that moves is an exaggeration, I would hope any thinking adult could see as much. The point of concern is that men are *less* selective. And there's a biological basis for this, the whole "spread the seed" thing. Although one has to be very careful with evolutionary psychology reasoning of this sort, because things are usually more complicated than you might first think. But nonetheless, we can, and have measured differences in men's vs women's patterns of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:35 AM
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Anyone who says "all X are Y" is generally speaking wrong. It is very rare to find a universally unqualified truth. I call myself red pill out of the spirit of the title, that doesn't mean I endorse every radical thing the craziest people in the manosphere have to say. Pluck the pearls from the bones so to speak. For example: how do you explain the vast majority of divorces being ended by women, which only rarely happen because of abuse? Knowing that you're going to be setting up your children f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:46 AM
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I mean... half of the country drank bud light lol. If your definition of bigot is that loose, you're part of the reason that word has gone onto the heap of useless words. I don't know how much attention you paid, but the marketer generalized all those people to be, well, bigots. Would you still buy a product after the seller called you a bigot? Anyways, this whole thing is off topic. Like I said, because women actually are buying video games, it's only natural for their interests to be catered t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:44 PM
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I mean the definitions here are murky, as I frankly almost never hear anyone even talk about it. I don't listen that much to Rollo Tomassi, but I did hear him talk about it once. In any case, it's always best for stuff like this to clarify what's meant. Like for example, when discussing equity in politics. If you don't first clarify definitions, it's pretty common to talk past each other. As far as your story goes, your mistake there (based on what you said) was assuming that because this sudden…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:11 PM
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Lmao! You're right, this stuff is older. But the notebook is the classic example because of how blatant it is, as well as how iconic and universally known it is. Perhaps I'm wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure women and men alike get twisted ideas of the opposite sex from books and media to this day. It's just that people who find such stuff to be drivel don't exactly keep close tabs on what's trending in the genre, and relating to people with different backgrounds is easier with common refere…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:04 PM
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Yes, and so what is available changed over time. Some of what I'm referring to here is recent games being made by activists making some kind of statement. Sometimes change is desired by the community, sometimes it's imposed. I mean look at the whole Bud Light debacle for an example of what I mean. Regardless of your politics, it's pretty boneheaded to insult your core customer base in a bid to attract activists. With video games, more and more women actually got involved, and so their interests …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:00 PM
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I think that where possible, you should try to do what you can to push things in a better direction. But higher priority is not "selling your soul to the devil" either. I don't think you should pretend to be some sort of martyr, but degenerate behavior, like hoeing around, is caustic to mental health and perceptions of others. So not falling to degeneracy yourself is to me more about your own well being. Self discipline is the road to freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:46 PM
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I mean, that's if you don't understand the meaning of redpill. Have you watched The Matrix from whence the term originates? This is the association fallacy. Many people who identify as redpillers are idiots that do not have nuanced worldviews. Just as is the case with radicals in any political group you like. For clarity and completeness: Red Pill is about realizing that our perception of the world was built on lies. Usually, one becomes redpilled through a traumatic eye opening experience that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:43 PM
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I mean, anyone with half a brain could see that problem coming from a mile away if they tried doing that... It's pretty common practice for even coed dormitories to have sex segregated rooms. However, I don't think fear of such a thing happening is discouraging women from leaving Ukraine. That's the point. The way Nomaaaad is putting it isn't the best way. If it was worse for women to leave and risk such abuse than to stay in the country and support their countrymen, then would they not? Sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:30 PM
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I mean, distorted depictions of men have been pretty common in media like comics and video games as well. The distribution, commonality of occurrence, is different, sure. But also consider that businesses are well, in the business of selling things that people will pay for, not satisfying activists who don't even purchase their products. If something is purchased almost exclusively by men, it's generally going to be appealing to men. The reverse is also true. Romance novels are generally not mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:18 PM
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I guess it depends how you define "dread game". In general, if you cannot walk away no matter what, you're setting yourself up for poor treatment. The way I define dread game is simply not getting complacent, and talking or acting as if you would never leave no matter what. There's a reason that sex frequently falls off after marriage. The sort of dread game where you actively go out of your way to make your partner insecure and anxious is not ok. As with anything, there's nuance to be had. Obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:12 PM
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You've got it backwards. Women and loneliness create redpillers. One doesn't become redpilled when all is going well for you. The redpill is bitter, and we frequently refer to redpill moments. A moment where you realize how much you've been lied to. If it's a "phase", you weren't actually redpilled, you were perhaps just bitter for a whileand became less so. However, like with much medicine, while the pill is bitter and may have side affects, it has great power to resolve mental pathology after …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 06:06 PM
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No it's not. That's like saying the only people who are feminists are college idiots with pink hair and unshaved armpits. The ones you hear sbout most are the ones you hear about most, not representative
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:58 PM
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Women are their own worst enemies in this. They follow the tingles like men follow their little heads right into the lap of a crazy abusive sociopath. Stop chasing chad, prioritize finding a man that will treat you right, check your friendzone. Until more women do that, we're left with the ever increasing hoebaggery
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:56 PM
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It's not an issue of celibacy, it's a conplete lack of intimacy and connection in general. We aren't upset because no sex, we're upset because no gf, no matter what we try
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:54 PM
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Well, as an individual, you have no ability to control society. What you can do is change your behavior. Some redpillers are nihilistic in this way, but some like me think that we can teach women to behave better through cinditioning and shaming, and teach men to not be weak simps
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:53 PM
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I think people get confused by this, because we complain about women not being traditional. The other half is often missed: we complain about women wanting men to continue behaving traditionally, while they do not. They want to just exist and be showered.We tell men to not give women the traditional treatment, because theypre just feeding into the pathology.We need to stop letting bad behavior from women get rewarded. Blindly adhering to tradition is much of what got us here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:50 PM
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It's more retaliatory. So many women have zero qualms about giving men emotional baggage, and they chase the bad men for some reason. Instead of picking us while we're the hero, we live to become the villain. Hopefully over time more older women will get after young women for encouraging badbad behavior with their own bad behavior. But for now, what are you to do besides give em what works?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:47 PM
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Bingo. We watch what women actually respond to, not what women claim they want. We don't always understand why women chase bad men, but since they do, if we want some of that action, it's pretty obvious what the response is to be
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:44 PM
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Dread game is based though. And no one really cares when women start hitting the gym because they've already broken up in their mind and are preparing to monkey branch. Women end committed relationships the majority of the time, and relationships are usually not ended because of something like abuse. Dread game just flips the script on "I can find someone better". If women didn't so frequently end relationships out of boredom or whatever, men wouldn't feel the need to discrouage leaving frivolou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:42 PM
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I think this is why antiheroes can be so refreshing. We get tired of the cliche Superman
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:34 PM
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I can't speak for others, but I most appreciate porn that at least attempts to portray intimacy in a realistic, flawed, personal fashion. It's rare to find good instances of that though. What does that say about me? Or about porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:33 PM
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Commonly tig ol biddies and scant clothing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:30 PM
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Well you can have an attractive woman that is dressed appropriately. And guess what? People like looking at attractive people. It's kind of in the definition. Pretty privilege is real, like it or not. That said, I don't know anyone who even remotely expects a woman to look like in the comic books or video games. Magic Mike was very popular, does that mean women expect any man they'd be happy with to look like those guys? Also, the fact that certain media exists doesn't say much in vacuum. What i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:29 PM
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I'd hardly say it spawned it. The phenomenon is surely not so recent. Perhaps it poured gasoline on the fire. But social currency, like validation and attention, has likely been particularly important to women for eons. Back in caveman days, men going out to hunt, women staying near camp to harvest berries, make clothing, etc. Plus, while it's hard for anyone to rough it alone in the wilderness, if a man or woman were banished from a tribe, the man's got a far greater chance of survival. It's ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:22 PM
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It can happen IRL, but it's unusual. And when it does happen, it's because the guy actually has a good personality and is interesting. Women don't really do the chubby chaser thing with nerdy men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:14 PM
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Yes! Women should be disgusted by the notebook, not fawning over it. Women often have a different way they'd like men to behave depending on whether they find them attractive or not. If he drenches her panties, then behavior that would ordinarily be viewed as highly problematic turns into attractive behavior. I think the only way this gets rectified is by older women calling out and chastising younger women that think this way. It's not good for anyone. It teaches young men bad behavior if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:13 PM

Ah yes, the accepted term for this is hoeflation. The simplest way to put it is that women want men to behave traditionally and bring a lot to relationships, while not having to bring anything themselves. The classic demonstration of this is asking "what do you bring to the table?". Boy oh boy do people get wound up by that question. Plus, young women have been convinced that it's better to build a life for themselves, and then try to graft it later. It just doesn't work so well that way, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:55 PM

People who haven't thought might about economic philosophy are quick to blame everything on capitalism. Capitalism gives the people what they want. But what we want is often harmful to ourselves. So, do you swap out for a dictatorship that decides for the people? Or prefer freedom and accept that people are largely unthinking? Dating became "commodified" as a result of the cultural shift from the sexual revolution. It turns out that removing shame and discipline, doing whatever you whim, often l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:47 PM
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That's why I ended up playing in a cluster. Still vanilla and open to all, but you can't get struck by some random bored megatribe member. I was in alpha/beta tribes for most of my time. Alpha was more trouble than it was worth much of the time because of the neuroticism and paranoia of espionage
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:40 PM
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The 1-10 scale is a heuristic statistical measure of physical attractiveness. It's significant because it's a good indicator of whether someone is in touch with reality, humble, cocky, or delusional. People read a bit much into it like the skull measurers of old though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:23 PM
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Also incorrect. Women don't respond well to men who are more into it than they are. Not very redpill if you still are unaware of this...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:21 PM
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I mean, a few times over a decade or so is not really anything I pay any mind. And people do change over time so. It's not remotely like nagging
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:18 PM
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Well that's something that's supposed to be taught by parents. But women don't have to learn to deal with this nearly as frequently as men, and I think something like a third of men are being raised by single mothers in the US nowadays... So unfortunately a whole lot of boys have to bootstrap this stuff. Yes, it's bad, and it's (I think) at the heart of a lot of social ills that we have today. And it's not helpful that folks like Andrew Tate are some of the loudest speakers in this space. it als…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:19 PM
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It's not the best way to say it, to "lower" standards. Most people don't just automatically accept anyone above a certain 1-10 and reject anyone below. Much of the time the issue is ridiculous standards. Like for example requiring her to have all the exact same intereats as you. Or for her to tolerate you being a lazy slob or an asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:11 PM
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Besides, the best way to have success is to not be outcome dependent anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:07 PM
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My alternative was playing official ARK PVP. God, you lose so much, so often, you get real used to getting over it and moving forward. Losing a month's worth of work because you got soft and stepped away to get lunch? Getting rejected by some stranger feels like nothing after that lol. As for the nerves about doing it, I've done waterski jump. If you can voluntarily throw yourself at what appears to be a brick wall at 40 miles an hour, knowing there's a good risk of tearing an ACL or concussion …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:07 PM
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As much as WWIII would suck, it would be the most expedient way to wake people the fuck up. A lot of the debates that we're having are only happening because of the comfort and peace we've been accustomed to here. The whole "strong men bring good times, good times bring weak men, weak men bring bad times" thing. It's insane that even the notion that men and women are different is a controversial topic nowadays... To be clear, both are necessary, like food and water. They're very different, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:09 AM
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Ok. Well a lot of the problem I see today is that so many young women are socialized to prioritize tingles above all else. Chemistry, sparks, je ne sais quoi, whatever euphemism you prefer. Obviously attraction is important. But how someone treats you has to be at least as important, or else you're susceptible to players, people who know just what to say, just how to act, to bring on the tingles, get what they want, without being an actual good candidate for father/husband. Also, attraction freq…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:05 AM
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I think you may have misread what I mean about feelings thing. I don't think that feelings give you license to do whatever you like. I also agree that not doing any sort of probing is... not great. Do consider though that especially with younger people, it's not exactly like there's a handbook to this stuff. People have to learn this stuff, unfortunately with live ammo if they're not able to learn watching others. So I guess I agree with you a lot more than I thought I did. What I think needs to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:49 AM
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Meh. Sex is fun when it's with someone you have emotional connection with. Otherwise I've found it... less convenient than masturbation. And being a hoe distorts your mind, your perception of other people, and really screws up your ability to pair bond and have a stable family. Plus, you'd have a decade and change to get all your fun in, and then half of your life dry and alone. This preference for short term gratification at the cost of long term loss is so much of why dating is fucked up these…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:31 AM
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Yes, but you also likely wouldn't even *start* your relationship until much later in life, if at all
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:27 AM
2

I wish I could tell women this lol. It's so sad and frustrating how I'd love to chat up and be social with people in public instead of trudging through the swamp online. But I'm worried always about causing trouble for myself for negligible chance of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:26 AM
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Speaking of eastern european violence... I'm sure the answer would be pretty obvious for a Ukrainian man right now. Has to be nice being able to just bail and not worry about getting in trouble for deserting your country, or even feeling guilty for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:24 AM
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Yeah, I would've just said "Freaky Friday" style body swap or something like that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:22 AM
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Ah, this is one of my favorites to ruminate on whenever I have felt like being a sad sack. Everyone's got shit to deal with. At least with what I know, I'm fine with being in the body I was born with. The pros and cons have all been talked about to death, so I won't really reiterate them. Also, I would say that your characterization of the "For men..." part is... not complete. Everyone's expectations and attractions are socialized to a large degree. Yes, biologically women have to be the gatekee…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:22 AM
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Well you're right about consequences. However, the checking was that she doesn't actually think all men should die, she's just not considering how it sounds the same way she would if the genders were swapped. Leaving wouldn't do much. Putting social pressure and shame on her immediately from people she knows? A bit more effective, I'd say. "You do understand how hateful what you just said is, right??" Something along those lines. This was years ago though If this were a date, I indeed would have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:09 AM
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I mean yes, I even know some. More or less does not mean all or none. But you have to be quite out of touch to think that men ghost women for texting at not quite the right pace at anywhere near the same rate women do. It's not like I'm claiming that it's not understandable, it definitely is. I'm sure I'd be a bit more flippant with dating prospects if I was constantly barraged with people I felt meh about. It's silly to get mad about human nature. I'm a big fan of Stoicism, and one of the tenet…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:03 AM
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So I don't have to make any presumptions, what determines attraction for you? And what makes a reason for attraction shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:58 AM
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Of course it's different kind of likes. But the analogy with family isn't right, because it's never socially acceptable, at least in our culture, for family to date like that. However, a great many people end up dating after first becoming friends, and many think that this is even the *optimal* way to go. Of course it's a different kind of *liking*, but what I was commenting on is the disgust. Totally reasonable to be uninterested and express as much, but it's also not a crazy or out of line thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:57 AM
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I have unironically had a woman say to my face the "kill all men" thing. What's wild is that she, her boyfriend, and some other friends were at a restaurant, and they were paying for my meal and one of the other guys as thanks because we just did a brake job for them. Thankfully, she was challenged on saying this. But it was so weird having someone say something like that in this context... Like people are super sensitive about misogyny, but casual misandry? I feel like it's so common on social …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:44 AM
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Definitely friend first. He just also has different sexual procilivites, and knows that I'm not a judgmental asshole and understand him. Been friends since high school, and before he even realized he was bi. Now, if he was only pretending to be a friend so that he could have a chance with me, that would be pretty weird. And when this happens with women, I think it's pretty much a confidence game. And no one likes being conned. There it's pretty reasonable to be disgusted
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:40 AM
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I feel so thankful for the women in my life who aren't crazy like all the ones I see out there. I agree that most women don't hate men, but there is definitely an ambient misandrist culture. We long ago decreed that misogyny is unacceptable, but even talking about misandry will at best get you ignored or laughed at, worse, you'll be called a misogynist, get fired, etc. It's somehow radical to advocate for men, and that fact alone is why it's necessary to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:07 AM
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We shouldn't believe people are telling the truth by default if there's something at stake. Turns out, people are inclined to lie, sometimes for no clear reason. The show House MD is almost entirely centered around how people lie to their *doctors*, let alone friends, strangers, judges, police officers. Yeah, it's a show, but the point still stands. Most of the problems that we care about politically in the USA at least are a *direct* consequence of the messed up dating culture we have. You don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:04 AM
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While I agree with the steelman version of your premise, I must say that you come off as rageposting. Yes, men and women are different. Yes, women generally get far more opposite sex attention than men. Yes, it's pretty annoying when people try to deny this reality. Yes, we see on social media endless women who have gotten inflated egos from their virtual following, and grow to feel very entitled. All that said, you will get nowhere expecting women to just stop being different from men. The soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:47 AM
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I don't know what his intentions were. But I would like to pluck the pearls from the bones. Women are *different* from men, not better or worse. I think it's pretty obvious by now that most women live with a torrent of unwanted dick, while men generally have to learn early on to be ok with being alone and not getting attention from women. This difference has obvious ramifications, like that women and men are going to make certain assumptions about each other, and that women are going to generall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:40 AM
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True, but it's still decent to treat people like, well, humans. If you're talking with someone for days or weeks, it's reasonable for you to express that you're not interested. This is not the same as having to respond to every man that DMs you. And you have every right to ghost, but that doesn't make you not a butthole when you do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:35 AM
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Also there's the whole social capital revenge thing. It's not enough to reject the man, he needs to be punished for the insolence of disturbing her while not being someone she's already attracted to. It's a shame men can't read minds... but we can better teach young men and boys to let women express their desire, rather than attempting to extract it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:32 AM
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I think the league concept is kinda dumb. The 1-10 scale has utility of course, but mostly for statistical discussions. For example: it's stupid to say that a 5/10 woman would sleep with any man above a certain threshold, even any 10/10. *Some* women are so shallow, but come on... Attraction is nuanced and multifaceted, and you can't average out variables on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:30 AM
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It seems pretty clear that he's not suggesting women should accept any man "in their league"... Part of what he's referring to is the gym girl epidemic, where men will just glance in a woman's direction, and she'll react as if he just propositioned her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:27 AM
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I have unironically been in this situation. He also occasionally checks to see if I've changed my mind, and I really don't care or make an issue out of it. Why should I?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:56 AM
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I mean I really don't mind or care in this case. You see men who are perhaps insecure in their sexuality or whatever, often in media, reacting this way. I've been outright propositioned before, and I just declined. No hard feelings either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:55 AM
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I mean, I've been rejected so many times I have no idea how many it is by now. Not like I'm some gross boring person or anything, that's just life as a man. And while it's never exactly pleasant, being rejected is just fine as long as you're respectful about it, and don't just assume and treat em like he's disgusting for having human feelings. Just the same, I respect and understand if interest isn't mutual. It's just how things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:54 AM
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Perhaps you should reflect upon how you can be good friends with someone, and simultaneously find them revolting. Not being interested in taking things that direction is one thing, but you're talking about *disgust*. It's totally valid to feel and say "sorry, I'm just not interested in that". But perhaps you should reflect on how you perceive male friends and involve them in your lives if you find them that repulsive of human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:51 AM
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It's this right here that's the concerning response. You like the guy enough to be a friend with him, but you're not just uninterested, you're *repulsed*. That's an indication of shallowness in what you find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:48 AM
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I've literally been propositioned on multiple occasions by one of my old high school friends. I respectfully reject him, he listens, we move on with our lives. I understand that people have feelings, and that's fine. It's actions that can cause problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:16 PM
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It's normal to be shaken. What's not really ok is getting nasty if he's being genuine, and hasn't been just sneaking. In general, people get upset by assuming worst intentions, so if you care about hurting feelings, try to avoid doing that. But if he really is only there for the chance of coochy? Well yeah, that's fucked, he shouldn't be acting that way, and you have every right to be disturbed at the lie of your relationship. It's really a kind of fraud or confidence game
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:15 PM
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Yes, this is where sneaky "nice guys" come from. We all lie to young men and boys about how to get women, instead of telling the truth. So they stop listening and get desperate. The best way we can avoid creating more of these types of people is by telling them the truth early and often, as uncomfortable as it may be. Edit: I want to be unambiguous: A big part of this is teaching young men to view women as full people, with their own interests and desires. Real people sometimes lie, take advanta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:12 PM
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This is not always what's going on. A guy can grow feelings for you. But the best thing you can do to deter sneaky "nice guys" is to make it unambiguous that there is no interest and *never* will be. That is, communicate early and often. Just generally a good practice
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:10 PM
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In general, needing to prove yourself, seek validation from others. If the only value you have comes from others, you aren’t giving yourself any value, thus low self esteem
/r/seduction06/04/21 03:33 PM
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I don’t see how men can loathe women for being fat, I’m just not attracted to fat women. I don’t like it when I get some fat on myself either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 09:25 PM
1

This basically seems to be how you automatically behave when you’re actually confident and have self esteem. Not taking yourself too seriously
/r/seduction30/03/21 03:05 AM
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I like dates like this, but for a first date it’s a good idea to be short so that either party doesn’t feel trapped and can bail
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:53 PM
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And people who for some reason think they’re also for making friends
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:52 PM
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“I am girl”. I am boy. Death by snu snu now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 02:27 AM
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It’s because people wanna have sex with someone not because they’re looking for sex, but because they like them as a person and are attracted to them. Pushing for sex is a turn off because it indicates that you like and want sex, not them as a person. Like if you’re with someone you really dig, it doesn’t matter if you get straight to banging, it they want to take it slow right? So pushing for sex is like the opposite of that, indicating that who they are isn’t what is of interest to you, the ho…
/r/seduction19/03/21 02:53 AM
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If you are impressive, you need not perform displays to impress. What’s most impressive is restraint, confidence, self love, not compromising who you are for anyone. Putting a girl on a pedestal and doing a mating dance is advertising that you’re lacking in those
/r/seduction10/03/21 05:05 PM
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So eating dessert at the bar, how would you like to be approached? I am pretty much always either with friends and enjoying my time with them or alone and already occupied, so I tend to assume the same of others. If you’re alone I figure you likely want to stay that way, could be weirded out by a complete stranger sitting down with you to talk
/r/seduction05/03/21 01:20 AM
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It’s not about getting that pussy, it’s about getting more pussy, so to speak
/r/seduction02/03/21 06:14 AM
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The thing is, no one can make you have this perspective shift. You have to arrive at it on your own
/r/seduction05/02/21 05:44 PM
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You think men aren’t fighting for their rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:55 PM
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I think about this (but genders reversed) quite often. Like I have a lot of friends that are girls and are like really cool people, but whenever I try Meeting new people and dating it’s a shitshow or lame almost every time. It seems almost paradoxical
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 09:42 PM
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Niceness isn’t genuine if it’s conditional. And girls go for “not nice” guys because you want to date someone that excites you. Being nice is just something you’re supposed to do, it’s not special
/r/seduction14/01/21 08:52 PM
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I mean it certainly wasn’t easy, and that change is in some ways still ongoing half a century later
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 08:46 PM
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Yeah OP is addressing a fraction of “nice guys”. Most are just frustrated that you can’t just insert nice tokens and get sex out, because women are people, not sex vending machines
/r/seduction07/01/21 09:09 PM
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I mean the ones that the feminists pull fire alarms don’t stop. Most men don’t contribute actively to fixing these issues because by adulthood so many of us have been indoctrinated to believe this is the way things are meant to be
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:56 AM
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Yes, because issues that matter are usually controversial. Doesn’t mean that the people being assholes to them are excused though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:50 AM
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Other people had it worse is an excuse for shitty behavior now?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:49 AM
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No, we blame feminism for acting like men have it all better than women and turning a blind eye to men’s problems. It’s not that we expect feminists to fix our issue, just to not be hypocrites and pretend like the issues don’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:32 PM
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Yeah but I’ve never not once had a friend matchmake or even actually wingman. I’ve had friends say they will but they don’t know wtf they should do they’re just trying to be supportive I think having a solid support/friend network is important to keep you grounded, that you are perfectly fine and happy without messing around with sexual interests
/r/seduction10/12/20 01:45 AM
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Straight to the point. Good job
/r/seduction10/10/20 11:01 PM
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Really good answer
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 06:55 PM
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That is a college psych lecture. What I’m advocating is educating from the time you’re starting puberty on this stuff, not waiting until you’re 19 taking an elective in college. EVERYONE should have a basic understanding of how to handle common issues when becoming sexually active, before they’re really becoming active. By the time people even could be taking that course, most of them will already have had sex at least once. And if you say “well they can just watch this lecture then”, one I spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 03:38 PM
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Um no. It is common knowledge that parents are very typically reluctant to discuss this topic, and many parents have always been authoritarian, including punishment for engaging in sexual activity. Also when I took a (non mandatory mind you) psych course in high school, we hardly talked about these things at all. Maybe in some other country this is the case, but in the US, abstinence only is all that is taught in a large fraction of schools, and the ones that don’t are rarely much better. In add…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 03:14 AM
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I mean I am friends with attractive girls, but I often am not around them. One of my best friends is a girl, but I met her in undergrad and so she lives in another state
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:49 PM
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So you’re saying that it’s more likely to find someone to be monogamous with outside of the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:47 PM
1

Because unlike in professions where training is routine to ensure competency, and in turn safety, productivity, and good customer experiences, relationships and sex are more of a "fend for yourself" thing. Trainings were developed by people experimenting or learning things the hard way, and so you use that to prevent others from experiencing the same negative outcomes. There is no such thing for sex and love
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:45 PM
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Research shows that matchmakers are no better than anyone else at pairing people. All you get there is the chance to meet people who are as desperate as you are, and happen to go to the same matchmaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:42 PM
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For guys it’s a very different story. Extremely difficult to find someone that wants to have sex with. That’s why it’s so easy for a woman to find someone that wants to fuck them, the moment a woman even slightly indicates that she might be receptive, most guys around will see it as their opportunity to get some action. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be deprived of intimacy until I might find someone that I want to commit to for life. Honestly it’s near impossible to find such a per…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:40 PM
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Which is why it’s a giant red flag to me when a girl doesn’t offer to pay for her stuff. I don’t mind paying, but not even offering indicates an entitled attitude Edit: to those that downvoted me, consider if the genders were swapped. If I as a guy expected the girl to pay for the whole thing and didn’t even offer to pay, it’s pretty obvious that I would have an entitled attitude. I am happy to treat someone, but consider if you invited a friend to go to a hockey game or whatever, and they just …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:19 PM
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I’m not so old, and I’m a guy, but I’ve been trying the texting primarily for logistics thing with the current girl I’m pursuing and it’s working out quite well. Took a lot of restraint to leave her be while she was on a trip for a week, but it was the right thing to do at this point. Later on obviously things change as there’s investment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 02:59 PM
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I appreciate your acknowledgment that much of this isn’t totally under our control. In r/Stoicism, identifying what you do and don’t control is the first most important thing. Then you concern yourself with what you can control as best you can
/r/seduction26/07/20 04:53 PM
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Or he may have just not wanted to make the move to escalate it. Many men are somewhat submissive. As for me, I generally try to avoid making moves on people at their work
/r/seduction23/07/20 02:47 AM
1

I mean why would it be? It’s a pretty reasonable question. It’s not like “Hey do you think linacs or synchrotrons are better?”
/r/seduction22/07/20 06:56 AM
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I’m well aware this happens. Just wanting stuff to show some of my less experienced, more skeptical friends
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 03:20 PM
2

Have you got any examples of women asking about cheating or trading up that you could share links to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 02:43 PM
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For me it’s not because personal preference, it’s because it rarely goes beyond the first or second date. I’m not going to blow the socks off every lass I meet you feel me? So I talk to like a couple at a time when I can because it’s rare enough that it goes somewhere with just one of them anyways. The numbers game is hard. I used to laser focus on one girl at a time and it just led to more heartache and disappointment than anything because of the pressure and expectations put on it by me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 12:40 PM
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That’s she’s on her period? I said that’s fine, no problem, which was sincere
/r/seduction11/07/20 05:35 AM
2

Well hopefully your dates are more fun than interviews lol
/r/seduction10/07/20 06:09 AM
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Well I will say that the specifics aren’t what’s relevant, but I’ll tell you for completeness. It was through Tinder/Bumble. Actually matched her on both and she was pretty bad at messaging me and I pretty much gave up on her. A while later I just straight up hit her up for her Snapchat and got it. One night I was snapping her while out with friends, and I asked if she wanted to hang out, and her response was “I’m on my period”. Honestly was blindsided by the assumption of sex like that. So that…
/r/seduction09/07/20 11:21 PM
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Yeah key note here is that you don’t want to force eye contact unnaturally. Really this tip should be: don’t avoid eye contact like you’re bashful/shy. Engage with her. Another thing to note is that eye contact is something that comes naturally with confidence and self amusement. You naturally avoid eye contact when you are around a stressor, and so avoiding eye contact with a girl expresses to her that you are afraid of or submissive to her, which is generally unattractive. Remember that you’re…
/r/seduction09/07/20 11:09 PM
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Honestly after banging my head on the wall and going through a lot, learning s lot of hard lessons, this is the main thing. Literally within a month of just saying fuck it and not caring anymore I had sex for the first time. And now I’m actually able to truly appreciate myself. If I go out, I’m only doing it because it’s something I want to do, not just to get a girl. Then I’m happy regardless of the outcome. Loving yourself and enjoying your own company, having good friends, is much more import…
/r/seduction09/07/20 03:14 PM
1

Yeah some of my closest friends are women. One I actually wanted to date quite badly when I first met her, but through open communication and handling things in a mindful and considerate way, we moved past that and we’ve been good buds. She’s been a huge ally in my life, and so I am glad to have her as a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 01:43 AM
2

Have you watched Paternity Court?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:24 PM
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Biggest way I’ve realized works for me is to not view it as me trying to win affection, rather that I’m feeling her out. I’ve had enough shit experiences that it’s allowed my perspective to become more critical than supplicating. I’m there doing the activity we are doing because I enjoy doing it, and letting her hopefully add to the experience in a pleasant way. If it’s worse having her there than not, or if I feel like I have to win her over and we aren’t just having fun together, then I know n…
/r/seduction28/06/20 08:00 PM
1

What does FDS stand for in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 01:58 PM
2

Some girls I’ve been on dates with asked to split or at least started a short discussion. Actually less common for a girl to just take free stuff, but it has happened. And for me at least that’s a red flag. I love getting nice things for a partner, but I despise the notion that I somehow have the duty to pay for her stuff while she’s exempt. Anyone I’d want to date would be on the same footing as me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 03:26 PM
1

Yes, but why ask on Thursday instead of Wednesday or earlier? Does the exact day really matter?
/r/askTRP31/03/19 02:54 PM
1

Why Thursday in particular?
/r/askTRP31/03/19 06:35 AM
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Yeah that's the issue I'm having swallowing the red pill, is that for so long I've been indoctrinated that the ideal situation is ending up with a loving wife that you stay with the rest of your life, and it's tough realizing that that's pretty much a fool's errand. Kinda like when you first realize that someday your parents and friends and eventually you will die. It's hard to accept and come to terms with. I still don't think I've fully accepted the red pill and it will probably take some time…
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