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I believe you're right about the education thing. That's been my observation at least. I'm not as sure about talking to my friends one on one, but it's something I'll keep in mind. The main friend who had been leading all the jokes eventually apologized when he found out how it was bothering me, but he's very uptight about sexuality and gender roles. He stopped inviting me over for jam sessions and stuff after I had made those comments. We're still friendly, but he keeps me at a distance now. It…
/r/MensRights16/03/10 02:47 PM
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I didn't think the statement that there are extremist MRAs was so outlandish as to require citations. I simply don't have the time to crawl back through the threads were these comments have been made, and don't have much of a stomach for reading that crap a second time. The only reason I posted was to say, "Hey, I've seen this too". Why isn't anyone raking tastymarachino over the coals going, "OMG citations!" for a statement about seeing some hostility towards LGBTIs? Why is a similar statement …
/r/MensRights16/03/10 02:34 PM
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In real life I get it from the men around me mostly, and some women. When I made comments that indicate acceptance of homosexuality and alternative gender roles I became the butt of jokes for months. Just casual statements fitting in with conversation, not like I'm crusading or anything. I've never actually encountered that dominant woman stereotype. The fact that I myself am not particularly aggressive and dominant has repeatedly caused my sexuality to be brought into question. Shaming and shun…
/r/MensRights16/03/10 02:24 PM
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All I'm asking is that people try to remain aware of how they're treating men who don't fall under the umbrella of those who revel in machismo. If that carries no weight here then clearly the name "men's rights" is a lie.
/r/MensRights16/03/10 02:12 PM
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They do fit into the tent, though there seem to be some extremists in the second group that view the existence of the first group as a feminist attack. I'd love it if the message could get out there that attacking the men of the first group isn't going to do anything to make the lifestyles of the second group any more accepted.
/r/MensRights16/03/10 12:16 PM
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It's an observation about things that make this area feel quite hostile to men such as myself. When these things happen very few people speak up to say, "Hey man, that's not cool". The people that do get downvoted like crazy, and the bullies get upvoted. I created this account because real life friends of mine know my main reddit account. I was responding to this post with this comment. In particular the first paragraph was not something I wanted my social circle to stumble across, because hints…
/r/MensRights16/03/10 12:11 PM
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I'm rapidly losing hope. I started out seeing a whole bunch of stuff dealing with male isolation and rigid gender roles, but apparently that's only an issue for the macho men. Us other men don't seem to be considered good enough to be equal.
/r/MensRights16/03/10 04:55 AM
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Argument? What argument? What am I trying to persuade people of? Enlighten me. Rephrase my argument for me. That is, if you can find one. Oh...maybe you're referring to the statement I made.
/r/MensRights16/03/10 04:49 AM
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I described my personal experiences in this subreddit. Experiences which are in full evidence in my commenting history, and this account is only a month old. If you're too lazy to click on my name and go through a few pages of comments, and checking out the the conversations involved...then why the hell should I be bothered to do it for you? I'm dead serious...it's all right there linked to my profile. Fuck, what do you think the word magina is used for? It's to dismiss men like myself as un-men…
/r/MensRights16/03/10 03:50 AM
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This seems to be a very common misunderstanding from the guys responding to me when I talk about the crap us non-macho guys get. I'm not defining non-macho as un-masculine. That would mean I'm describing myself as un-masculine, and I assure you that I've never done that and never will. I'm describing what the guys shitting on men like me are describing as masculinity. You're taking my description of the assholes who are continuing to try and marginalize people like myself and describing it as my…
/r/MensRights16/03/10 01:13 AM
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You're hilarious, and forgetting where this discussion began. It was about a surprising number of verbal attacks against men who are not macho. I don't define masculinity as macho, and I challenge you to locate a single comment I have ever made that has said that. Since you just equated my description of "non-macho men" with men who lack integrity then I'll also have to specify that twisting my words doesn't count. You have a tendency to distort someone's meaning and make a straw man out of it. …
/r/MensRights15/03/10 10:52 PM
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Why would you need to distinguish anyone? All I'm suggesting is people stop shunning and shaming men who don't fit the macho mold. This may be shocking to you, but it is actually possible to let macho men be themselves and not torment non-macho men. These things are not mutually exclusive. You can tell people that it's ok to be macho and not be macho. Crazy, isn't it?
/r/MensRights15/03/10 10:17 PM
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Hello? What you're saying is that a certain set of stereotypes are bad, and the others are just A-OK. The guys who aren't part of the macho-set are generally treated decently by women...but treated like shit by other men, who are supposed to be their peer group. You might think that some stereotypes are fantastic, but I'm not going to stop thinking that we shouldn't be punishing men for being themselves. Your loss if you consider that an attack on MRA.
/r/MensRights15/03/10 10:07 PM
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Where is this mythical society that tells men and boys it's awesome to be effeminate? It can't be in the Western world, because I certainly haven't experienced it. The society I grew up in was awash in male stereotypes. Still is. Some are very negative, others just limiting. Have I ever said that men need to be less masculine? Of course not. Men should be whatever they need to be happy, and yet I see a lot of comments here attacking men who take that liberty to be themselves. So are the people d…
/r/MensRights15/03/10 09:57 PM
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Have I grouped gay men into a camp of non-masculine people? Really? Let me check what I wrote again. Any man who doesn't follow the male sexuality stereotype. Thirsting for control. Dominant. Wants to fuck at every possible opportunity. I don't see gay in there, you're talking about a quote of my original post so that it was clear which part I was refining. The only reason I included gay to begin with was because on several occasions I've seen people making the exact same comments about them as …
/r/MensRights15/03/10 09:43 PM
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Search through the threads that I've commented on. I haven't been reading here very long. It shouldn't take you very long to find the discussions I'm talking about. Also keep an eye out for the downvote brigades that hit any comment that mentions non-standard male sexuality. Describing personal experiences of hostility shouldn't need citations, unless I stated that nearly all MRAs are like that. Which I didn't of course, but you seem to think that I did. In fact I'd like you to provide a citatio…
/r/MensRights15/03/10 09:22 PM
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You're reading something into my words that isn't there. men who are gay, submissive or in some way not following the male sexuality script Let me rephrase that. Any man who doesn't follow the male sexuality stereotype. Thirsting for control. Dominant. Wants to fuck at every possible opportunity. That's what the people I'm talking about are defining as masculine. I think that one of the big achievements of feminism has been getting female sexuality opened up, so that they can feel free to experi…
/r/MensRights15/03/10 09:15 PM
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Very few of the men I'm talking about would be considered effeminate if you weren't talking about what they do in bed.
/r/MensRights15/03/10 08:53 PM
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If you slept with my mom I wouldn't be terribly surprised. She'd be great fodder for one of the typical "OMG a woman did some terrible things" story that we see posted here all the time. My point isn't about parenting decisions. What happens is there is a discussion about men who are gay, submissive or in some way not following the male sexuality script. Guys who are like that have to live in a closet because of the way other men react to those differences. The fingers-in-ears approach is a guy …
/r/MensRights15/03/10 08:01 PM
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I've also seen more than a few posts here in response to sexuality issues that basically amount to sticking their fingers in their ears and going, "Nanannanana I can't hear you! If I can't hear you, then your problems don't exist!". Edit: The funny part is the people downvoting me are only providing evidence to back up my statement.
/r/MensRights15/03/10 07:09 PM
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Not in the technical fields. There had been a lot of hand wringing in CS and Engineering departments about how to get girls interested in studying those fields, which are the ones that create the advances we were talking about. Arts and business students might get themselves into important positions during their careers, but they rarely ever create anything. Even in the late 90's the difference was pretty shocking. All the liberal arts, bioscience and business classes were full of women. But if …
/r/MensRights15/03/10 05:29 PM
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That's the thing that really shocked me about it. Until that point she had never seemed like anything but a sweet, likeable person. That said she was only ranting in a private blog...it isn't like she blew up at the guy. Her primary complaint was literally that she was being hit on by guys she didn't know. I'm sure that if they had really done anything that objectionable she would have described just what it was, but she didn't. It certainly made me see her in a different way than she presents h…
/r/MensRights13/03/10 04:28 AM
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I was able to dig it up. I don't want to post the full thing though, because it was locked down as a friends only entry. The important part was this though. Since when does a woman hanging out on her own mean she is fair game for any lame pick-up line or inappropriate comment?? My inner feminist is angry. My outer one too. Apparently trying to elicit a laugh with a bad line or giving a compliment requires prior approval. I wonder if that's a license you apply for at city hall, and if you need a …
/r/MensRights12/03/10 09:53 PM
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That's a particular hobby horse of mine. I've been a bit involved in the bdsm community and know more than a few feminist female submissives. There is a gaping chasm of difference between them and the gender feminists like the author of the linked piece of crap blog. Gender feminists don't believe in equality, nor do they believe in female liberty.
/r/MensRights12/03/10 08:52 PM
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I wonder if they had to pay the participants. I also wonder how much I have to pay to get on a study like that.
/r/MensRights12/03/10 08:47 PM
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I can believe it. I have a female "friend" whose journal I check out once in a while. She moved to Toronto a while back, and wrote a ridiculous entry about some man in Dundas Square having the nerve to speak to her in a public place. I get that she wanted to be alone, but she also went to Dundas Square during a friggin music festival. I mean come on...if I want to be alone I don't go to the most crowded place during a massive community event. It took a lot of willpower to not tear her a new one …
/r/MensRights12/03/10 08:14 PM
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That's a pretty recent development. If you look back 10 or 15 years when most of the work that created our modern advances was being done, it was mostly men in college. The number of women going into traditionally male fields seemed to spike sharply in the early 2000s. In another 10 or 15 years we might see women creating most of our advancements. If the number of men going to college continues to drop this will be much more likely.
/r/MensRights12/03/10 07:08 PM
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It certainly doesn't help us any. Why are we even talking about some lunatic with a blog to begin with? It doesn't have anything to do with advancing men's rights unless she happens to be an elected politician. Same thing with these ridiculous "OMG feminists!" comments, they're just a useless distraction from the things we should be talking about.
/r/MensRights12/03/10 06:45 PM
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Patriarchy outside of the strict definition of male rule is pretty silly. Who do boys socialize with? Other boys. Who ostracizes them if they don't follow the very limited social norms set by the group? The other boys. Linking that to sexual politics seems like a bit of a stretch. Until the teen years there is very little contact between the groups, and I have yet to meet a woman who is put off by a man who turns away from the male life script. At least, not enough to try and get him socially is…
/r/MensRights11/03/10 04:15 PM
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You make a good point. I'm not familiar with UK politics, but if the Conservative party is anything like similarly named parties in North America they've probably had a long association with the traditional family. Omitting the father figure could very well just be an attempt to reach out to non-standard families.
/r/MensRights11/03/10 04:05 PM
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Which one defines Christianity: Catholicism or Protestantism? Or to take the example to an extreme; which one defines religion: Unitarianism or Islam? You're taking the most radical people who have called themselves feminists and using that brush to paint everyone else. That's why they have qualifiers on the word "feminism" to describe the focus of a particular group, similar to how religions break themselves up into sects. I still don't see how it's odd or hypocritical for a women's group to wa…
/r/MensRights10/03/10 03:43 PM
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rofl Who says I'm not already? There's something to be said for a little manscaping. Makes you look a lot bigger when it isn't hiding in the underbrush.
/r/MensRights10/03/10 05:33 AM
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I'd use a beard trimmer and get it fairly short instead of shaving completely. Prevents you from getting really irritated and itchy and still makes you look better. Plus you'll only have to trim it once every 6 months or so. I started doing this last year. I went a bit too short the first time which really sucked...I can only assume that having it grow back in from a clean shave would be far worse. It did look better though and it made my antiperspirant far more effective. No more sweaty pits.
/r/MensRights10/03/10 03:22 AM
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The problem is that women may be supportive of equality, but could never truly understand the perspective of men. They can help but they can't lead the way. We need MRAs to do that.
/r/MensRights10/03/10 01:27 AM
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I don't think your point really stands. It isn't intellectually honest to take the most offensive people who self identify with a label and use it to characterize everyone else who also uses that label. Religion illustrates this perfectly. For example, does calling yourself a Christian mean you support the murder of abortion doctors and laws that enshrine your religion in the apparatus of the state? If you don't support those things are you no longer a Christian, just because a few whackjobs do?…
/r/MensRights10/03/10 01:24 AM
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Men create and enforce the acceptable lifestyle choices for other men, and there seems to be a lot of resistance to the idea that we could be anything different. When it's a woman presenting the idea they argue that it's an attack on masculinity. When it's a man presenting or supporting the idea he's not a man anymore, he's a "mangina". They're blind to the damage this does to men, and the detrimental effects on society as a whole. You can find some great examples of the reactionary, defensive i…
/r/MensRights09/03/10 10:03 PM
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BDSM is not a psychological problem and has nothing to do with gender equality. There are men and women whose "power orientation" (if you will...best way I can think of to describe it) tends toward the submissive side, just as there are those of both genders who lean the other way. People don't need to understand why people are happiest relating to each other in different ways. They shouldn't be injecting gender wars into places where they don't belong either. There's no gender meaning in this a…
/r/MensRights08/03/10 09:31 PM
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I'm struck by how blind she seems to be to the fact that the "different" day she described already exists. Some of those commenting on the blog say that while it does exist, it is "infinitely" worse for women. They clearly don't have a clue what being a man is like, or are men that come pretty close to that unrealistic standard without too much effort.
/r/MensRights08/03/10 05:41 PM
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Different strokes for different folks.
/r/MensRights08/03/10 04:46 AM
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It doesn't take any kind of white knight syndrome, just the same kind of mentality that makes people think burning accused witches is great fun. In other news, humanity has barely evolved during the past 300 years.
/r/MensRights05/03/10 02:16 AM
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I dunno. If you get a bunch of them to agree that he's a creep, that would be an effective way of reducing his reputation with the reader.
/r/MensRights05/03/10 02:14 AM
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They're already getting their meathead male friends to do the job for them.
/r/MensRights04/03/10 11:37 PM
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Voyeurism is a crime because you're invading someone's private space. How the hell can you get charged with voyeurism...for taping your own bedroom? Her privacy? His dick was in her at the time! How much more less private can you get than that? I'd agree with throwing the book at him had he been distributing the videos. Creepy? Yes. Criminal? Apparently, but I'd like to know what they were smoking when they decided that it was. Nobody was harmed until the girlfriend started distributing the vide…
/r/MensRights04/03/10 07:42 PM
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The trouble I have with the article is the questions that supposedly "prove" rape don't distinguish between gentle sex, and rough but consensual sex. Particularly when you get into the bdsm community you'll see people say that they want to be "forced" to give head, etc. If you tried to tell these people they were raped, they're going to tell you to go fuck yourself. Yet their partner would probably answer that yes, they have "forced" someone to perform sexually. Because that is exactly the fanta…
/r/MensRights03/03/10 05:47 PM
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Not to mention that prostate cancer usually isn't a very serious health problem, even though The Big C seems like it should be a huge deal. I was doing some reading about different types of cancer recently, and what I read about prostate cancer was surprising. It predominantly affects old men, and is very rarely the cause of death. Other diseases kill these guys first most of the time. In other words, even if they find it there's a serious case to be made that treatment wouldn't be the right thi…
/r/MensRights02/03/10 06:02 PM
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Great post and discussion. I had a bit of a chuckle when Personal Failure wrote a post about when she learned how unattached erections are to desire. And, yes, I didn’t understand exactly how physical (not mental) erections can be for me until I lived with one. It was supposed to be, "until I lived with a man". Funny little turnabout on the insatiable sex drive cliche.
/r/MensRights01/03/10 05:56 PM
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Big deal, although I have to say I'm a bit shocked to hear that taxes are helping to fund a gym to begin with. Not that I'm against the idea. It's just that governments usually seem to prefer to buy a pound of cure rather than an ounce of prevention. To the women only thing all I have to say is big freaking deal. Where I live there are commercial gyms that are women only because women find male gym rats intimidating. Especially fat women, who seem to often not get the exercise they need because …
/r/MensRights01/03/10 05:06 AM
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This either / or idea you have is a false dichotomy. Some of the toughest, most masculine men you'll ever meet have some of those "feminine" characteristics. Submissive, cross dressing etc. Guys that you would seriously regret screwing with. The destructive part of "masculinity" is the part that tries so desperately to create exclusionary conditions. The idea that a guy can be powerful, intelligent, self reliant and ambitious...but by god if he puts on a dress he's out of the club. He feels alie…
/r/MensRights28/02/10 05:57 AM
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Talk about spectacularly missing the point. Where does it ever say that masculinity is destructive? Keep it masculine? Who defines masculine? You? The very idea that certain behaviors are feminine or masculine is absurd, unless it's a behavior that requires a specific type of genitalia. very disturbed about how males are viewed and taught how to be He's disturbed about the social conditioning going on. The social conditioning that makes boys turn on and ostracize anyone who is even just a little…
/r/MensRights28/02/10 03:24 AM
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The argument is not that men should be more feminine. The argument is that men should be whatever they damn well please and not get socially destroyed for not being "masculine" enough. I don't consider myself feminine, but there are legions of assholes out there who support and try to enforce a very limited view of masculinity that I don't fit in with. I am a man. I have the right to be who I am. It'd be easier if I were just gay. They've already pretty much won their fight against discriminatio…
/r/MensRights27/02/10 04:10 PM
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It's not a problem that the female community needs to address. No woman ever did anything to hurt, shame or humiliate me because I wasn't into sports, interested in fighting for dominance etc. Other men did that. I upvoted this because it reflects some of the most negative experiences of my life. So fuck you and your "manginas".
/r/MensRights26/02/10 01:37 PM
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Haha, maybe I should have picked IronMask as my username instead. Not everyone can survive the scars though. I'm still not entirely certain that I will. This "male programming" does a lot of damage to men and society. A couple of years ago I ran into a guy I knew at university, and discovered that he had the same kind of problems you and I did growing up. The difference with him was that it seemed to spark a fairly serious mental illness. When I met him he had apparently been seriously consideri…
/r/MensRights26/02/10 05:38 AM
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Do you think it's right that you were treated this way? How would your life be different today if you hadn't been tormented like that? The same thing happened to me, for much the same reasons. It left me alone, incapable of trusting people and right on track for suicide. Lucky for me I found a few female friends over the last few years who I could really talk to. I don't accept that the cruel things that were done to me were in any way acceptable, or that the attitudes behind them should be acce…
/r/MensRights26/02/10 05:18 AM
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I think you might be missing the point, just a little bit. They can be more like women, as long as they're man enough? The whole point is that we shouldn't be beating boys over the head with this ridiculous notion that there is but one way to feel and act, and that if you don't do exactly these things you don't really belong to your own gender.
/r/MensRights26/02/10 04:43 AM
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More like the author thinks the acceptable range of "masculine" behavior should be much wider than it is. Not every guy can be that male stereotype. Those that don't fit that mold and fail to hide the fact that they don't conform are mercilessly tormented by their peers. I can tell you from personal experience that being such a man is extremely difficult. Sometimes I feel like I lost 10 years of my life pretending to be something I'm not. And no, I'm not gay.
/r/MensRights26/02/10 04:37 AM
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I can agree with some of the article. Traditional marriage does seem to exclusively benefit the woman. When my mom decided she wanted a divorce I somehow wound up staying with dad, but she got the entirety of his retirement savings. He's now 62, alone and utterly ruined financially. He'll be working like a dog until the day he dies. They loved each other at one point, but she robbed him of his financial security and spent over 10 years living a life of leisure off those savings. When the money r…
/r/MensRights25/02/10 02:23 PM
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Me either When it comes to gender issues the really important part of the discussion seems to often get lost in a barrage of, "Women blah blah blah. Oh yeah? Well MEN blah blah blah". We're all hurt by the way things are, albeit in different ways. I don't think that dividing the issue in half and focusing purely on one side, negatively or positively, is going to be a very effective way of fixing things. I think the invisibility of men might be more of an issue now because in the past society tra…
/r/MensRights19/02/10 06:20 PM
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I agree with you, as my username would suggest :) I think this has more to do with human history than with feminism, though many feminists don't seem to help. Before industrialization hard physical labor was the key ingredient to producing wealth (and power). The more plebs or slaves a noble person had slaving away for him the more powerful he was. Keeping those slaves alive and healthy was more costly than simply replacing them when they died. Since men can't give birth they're not as critical …
/r/MensRights18/02/10 06:08 PM
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She did at least get a suspended sentence, so at least if she gets in any kind of trouble with the law for the next two years she automatically gets locked up for a year. That doesn't really reflect the seriousness of her actions though. During university when I moved into a co-ed residence all the new guys were brought to a meeting in one of the lounges. We were told in no uncertain terms that if any of the women in the house made a sexual assault or rape claim, that we were going to get the sh…
/r/MensRights15/02/10 11:34 PM
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There are a few reasons. Primarily because as a man I feel completely invisible. I don't fit the mold of what a man supposedly is. There seems to be no social space for me that isn't dripping with expectations that I fit that generic mold. I'm not an aggressive type that is thrilled by the chase. Yet women seem to expect this of me. To be fair some don't, but they are exceedingly rare. This wouldn't be so bad if I could form strong male bonds, but without a social space that accepts who I am thi…
/r/MensRights12/02/10 04:45 PM
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