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| 43 | Male Disposability and Disability | MrKocha | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 07:58 PM | |
| 23 | Female in Group Bias And Achieving Equal Rights | MrKocha | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 06:24 AM | |
| 19 | Fallibility of the MRM? | MrKocha | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 02:14 PM | |
| 6 | Any Good Opposing Viewpoint Communities? | MrKocha | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 04:12 AM | |
| 2 | Females Oppressing Female Mate Choice | MrKocha | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 11:42 AM |
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| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.Perhaps India is dominated by very poorly written religion if it's interpretable towards the results you describe by a modern society with internet access and worldly access? I'm not overly educated on Indian culture, but from what you describe it sounds like many atrocities are occurring there. All religions would ideally encourage a degree of tolerance/empathy and/or skepticism within their doctrines while encouraging socially constructive values. Religions however can be written in any concei… | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 03:51 PM |
| 3 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.The more I've thought about the downvote, I think this community might have a sensitivity to being painted as reactionary right wing religion mongers so it probably strikes a nerve. However, more on topic: http://theluckymom.com/2012/05/02/moral-relativism-how-i-taught-my-son-to-tell-a-lie/ I thought I'd post that here. It's really interesting how she teaches her son to lie and violates her own self professed ethics due to moral relativism (in this situation a lie seemed profitable). If she had … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 10:56 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.They are less free if more people oppose them. The more personal your crusade, the less normative power you have in restraining them socially and legally. In fact, the saddest thing is that is probably the ideal state for a sociopath to exploit. Someone's 'personal ethic' who is otherwise powerless, meek, and helpless without a society to protect them from being exploited and manipulated. It becomes a weakness. They'd probably seek your empathy and exploit that. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 06:48 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.There should always be an understanding that we all are interdependent and a general environment in which people care about each other is beneficial for the self. I see this as a religious belief and a noble lie. Genghis Khan had absolutely no problem continuing his genetic legacy with a different philosophy (as far as I understand he was a successful wartime rapist or at least a conquering sex god) as have many highly successful people throughout history. This really doesn't equate to success i… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 06:36 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.It's because there is a claimed moral superiority from the secular environment and I'm not sure I agree with that. I think a good portion of the secular environment is motivated by self interest. I'm not convinced a 'noble lie' is inherently inferior to 'moral relativism' in a secular environment. Feminism is a good example of how in my viewpoint this is failing. You create a social doctrine that likely interests pretty much all female sociopaths. There are no ground rules to exclude them. Yet, … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 06:02 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.If empathy/sympathy are not currently moral code. Then why aren't they if other things are? Aren't a lot of other moral codes something sociopaths can simply latch onto and directly profit? And the more of a self interest the moral code is related to: let's say you're a female sociopath. I'd imagine for female sociopaths, as best as they can tell, Feminism only appears to profit them (hey, when men don't trust YOU or even hate you that's evil!) and you're never really obligated to give anything … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 04:44 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.What if empathy became a moral code? Here's an example of a moral code: Misogyny is one of the greatest of social evils. Equality between the sexes is the moral solution. That's called a moral doctrine. If it does nothing and nobody follows it, then why promote a moral code? What if the closest thing to a demonized group was sociopaths. People who don't care. People who do nothing when crime occurs. People who profit as much from their social situations without caring about others. What if that … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:57 PM |
| 5 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.Nearly all of humanity is indoctrinated into their local belief systems. It's inevitable. Do you honestly believe the majority of the human population is capable of creating morality, when they are told perhaps objectively that it's simply relative to their situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism If it is subjective to each situation, why not maximize profits to yourself in each situation? Why not become a sociopath? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre If a behavior is … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:46 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.But lying, manipulating, cheating, stealing, and violence are all socially normalized in varying degrees in various sections of society. There is no law that says lying, manipulating, and cheating are illegal. These are things people can do without legal ramifications for the most of their lives. Stealing is bad if you get caught. Violence is bad if there are witnesses or victims who are snitches to the police and you don't have enough social support to intimidate or beat 'snitching' out of peop… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:25 PM |
| 5 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.It's a very emotional issue so people likely have knee jerk responses without giving it more thought. Myself, I've seen and heard so much hurt, just waved away because the local community found it normal enough to suffice. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:12 PM |
| 1 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.So if every situation is unique: Snitching to the cops when someone's face is being pounded into the gravel to the point where they are bleeding profusely and not even recognizable as human because their face is such a bloody pulp? Hell, even calling an ambulance, could be bad because it's a unique, subjective social gathering and the majority of participants are fine with normative violence, and strung out on meth? They don't want to get caught either. That's a true story of one of the parties … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:06 PM |
| 3 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.There is no such thing as "secularist pseudo-ethics". Secularism is the rejection of religion's validity as an arbitrator of state matters. If you mean "secular ethics" and not "secularist ethics", then fine, what "secular ethics" are is the whole set of ethical statements that do not find basis in religious thought. My ethics are secular because they do not come from any religious text, although they have things in common with other ethics that do come from religious texts. Personalized secular… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 02:56 AM |
| 5 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.Do you have some good links to the statistics? Or somewhere to point where the research was conducted? I can't agree or disagree with this perspective as I don't have the data. I do think a lot of the response to the question is likely very emotional. As an agnostic who believes any religion being true is enormously unlikely, but ultimately unverifiable, the idea of lying to people gave me such a vehemently negative emotional response, I couldn't see the issue objectively. It was actually after … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 01:33 AM |
| 2 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.Do all religions bring war? Is the problem religion or is the problem the specific religions which are currently popular? If someone were to write a new religion, and it were to take hold, what would you think of that? Personally, I think they are likely poorly written from an ethical standpoint. That doesn't invalidate the fundamental concept, that without something stable what you have are social norms (which are dependent on a society's current state) and subjective ethics, which are dependen… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 10:45 PM |
| 2 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.There are pedophiles, wars not motivated primarily by religion (World War 2), and atheist violence as well. I am not convinced there is enough evidence to prove the concept wrong. You'd have to study the cultural trajectory of multiple generations of each. I believe on average most people 'reject' religion as truth because of intelligence and an attitude of skepticism. That only accounts for the first generation impact, however. Growing up without some sort of strongly normalized 'feeling' of a … | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 10:25 PM |
| -11 | What Would You Do? Girlfriend Buys Positive Pregnancy Test -- disgusting results.As an agnostic, I often wonder how much morality is lost with each secular generation. While I don't agree with religions as sources of truth, as sources of values they tend to offer some stability from generation to generation. Nowadays in the secular environment social doctrines like Feminism serve a closer purpose to what religions served in the past for deriving personal values. Looking back on older generations, when perhaps education was lower, but religiosity was higher... Whenever I see … | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 09:49 PM |
| 1 | AVFM is hosting International Conference on Men's IssuesI'm glad to hear about significant efforts to organize outside the internet. I'm too sick to travel for the foreseeable future, but I wish everyone well attending. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 06:52 PM |
| 35 | Since no other Sub will care about my rape storyI'm really sorry to hear about this. People are so silent, rarely come forward to let us know how it happens and how much it has hurt them. What she did sounds truly horrible, trying to force you into something you weren't ok with and using everything she could to devalue your choice in the matter. I've been in situations where I was forced into violating circumstances. I was in a mental hospital where someone was snapping on rubber gloves, to feel me up, demanding that I strip and shower while … | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 03:58 PM |
| 3 | feminisms latest relevant & valuable contribution: work on the creation of a 'feminist programming language'I'm all for the existence of high level languages which are abstracted from machine code in various levels in addition to lower level languages. Doing so can sometimes make material more intuitive to read, more intuitive to write, and sometimes result in faster creation of end results if often at a cost of performance. But I have to say, this concept of a feminist programming language is lost on me. A language that rejects normative rules? Don't all languages require normative rules to be a lang… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 03:32 PM |
| 6 | Old but good: Feminist lesbian lives 18 months as a man, realizes "Men don't have it better than women"I hadn't seen this before and I really appreciate her perspective. It's interesting how society listens to women so much more about men's issues. Thank you to all women who have stepped forward and dared to speak on our behalf, or consider walking a mile in our shoes. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 01:54 PM |
| 2 | Men who prefer slim women are called shallow. 98.8% of women won't message a short man because of "biological preference."Wish there was something witty or intelligent to say about it. But well, women preferring things for apparently understandable reasons, while men are generalized shallow bastards is a concept I'm quite familiar with. It is a shame that height can't worked on as easily as weight can be though. A good portion of the stuff men care about can be fixed either through, diet, exercise, or in worst case scenarios: plastic surgery, which is kind of the ultimate lie to evolutionary preference, right? Heig… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:22 PM |
| 2 | Fallibility of the MRM?You're absolutely right about the religious fervor surrounding groups like these. The censorship and refusal to listen to other viewpoints is too common among feminists. I do see a very low level of this stuff among MRAs, too. I think a big part of this problem relates to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism My opinion is Feminism would likely be considered pretty high on in group bias. But collective narcissism is also related to group strength. Patriotism, for example helps… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 05:31 PM |
| 2 | Fallibility of the MRM?A few ideas I have about this here. First, any group can be susceptible to group think, wouldn't you agree? Even non religious groups. You can simply have a group of strangers, who in a group, will be affected by the behaviors of others. So vacuum sealed individuality seems a stretch to me there. Second, is it not possible for two people to subjectively disagree on what is equitable while both use objective facts? If so, how do you ultimately define what is equitable? Is this solely legal, or ar… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 03:42 PM |
| 10 | Fallibility of the MRM?I'm having to reject feminism because it appears during the process of becoming feminists the majority come to believe the group is infallible and feel extremely protective of the group. Criticism entertaining thoughts of failure/damage/harm/negligence/ill intent in the movement seems to cause emotional turmoil and failures of objectivity. While I'd agree MRM is quite early on, and doesn't seem to have the political power to cause mass scale damage. I believe having a perpetual awareness of the … | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 03:17 PM |
| 4 | Fallibility of the MRM?I like this thought process. Sounds like you are good at avoiding analysis paralysis. I'll be sure to look at your link there. Not sure given my circumstances what is most available. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 03:03 PM |
| 23 | "Radical Feminism" vs. No true Scotsman fallacyThe way I see large movements is basically when moderates are silent it can sometimes be silent approval for radicals. The same concept is discussed in terrorism, where an act can kind of escape approval or condemnation by simply labeling the actions as extremist and removing association with the 'main' group. "Not all X are like that" scenarios allow a group to maintain as much power as possible, with the least amount of accountability towards damages caused. It's extremely irresponsible, but u… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 05:46 PM |
| 3 | Spread the word: The reactionary, anti-science movement is feminism, not mensrights.How do you empirically test cheating? By default, the behavior involves lying and deception. People prone to lying and deception aren't going to suddenly be honest on scientific surveys anymore than feminists are going to be honest 'cause of science.' You can look at actual paternity statistics, but that only counts the amount of times cheating resulted in conception and birth. Since most cheating is likely done with contraceptives, and imo people cheat more often because they want the pleasure … | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Male Disposability and DisabilityWe're on the same page here. Pointing out potentially disadvantaged groups and thinking about possible solutions to improve their situations is light years away from 'forcing relationships.' I've mentioned elsewhere, that if Feminism wants to follow through with social equality, then positive advocacy for stay at home fathers (which a lot of disabled men might be able to do well), and delivering strong messages to society in the value of such a social role could also potentially improve things. … | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 12:30 PM |
| 1 | Male Disposability and DisabilityI appreciate your comments, Yanmaodao. This topic is getting a bit old here, but my focus wasn't necessarily for my situation to improve. For example, as of now, I would not likely visit a prostitute for many of my own personal reasons, but I could see how it could help someone with impairments with few options have a chance to experience something that someone may not be offered otherwise. There are people with worse impairments and better than myself. Everyone is unique. I deal with a lot of s… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 12:22 PM |
| 6 | A woman's brutally honest response/rant against all of the "real men" posts all over the internet.This is a wonderful rant. If even 10 percent of women in this world were to make such rants, some sort of positive change could occur. So thank you, thank you, and again thank you. Very well spoken. | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 05:57 AM |
| 3 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.Obviously the comment is crap. I'm unsure of how political movements gain strength. Feminists have said some absolutely atrocious things in the past, and I'm not sure if it has helped or hurt their movement in the long run. It seems like misandry just kind of leaked through past 'squeaky clean' equality rhetoric. I'm sure misogyny leaks through here as well. I don't know if it will leak into culture, or if it will die down. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 09:13 AM |
| 3 | Gender neutral posters about consentI haven't fully made up my mind about alcohol. On one hand, the obvious and most responsible solution is to not get drunk. The second most obvious is to not get drunk around strangers, or people you don't trust and make clear ground rules with them. On the other hand, let's say if I told a close friend, "ok, I'm going to stay home and get drunk today. I'm going to put my car keys in a lockbox. Don't allow me to do anything stupid, and above all else, don't let me drive!" And then the friend wait… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 06:41 AM |
| 4 | Male and female brains wired differently, scans reveal. Maps of neural circuitry show women's brains are designed for social skills and memory, men's for perception and co-ordination.Little known fact: The very first patriarchy occurred in the year 2534. During this year a man invented a time machine, to go back to humble egalitarian beginnings of the human species. Upon arriving he conducted mass scale scientific atrocities to force sexual dimorphism into male and female brains, and in a particularly cruel move, reduced the upper body strength of the average female relatively because his misogyny knew no bounds. These experiments were carried out against the will particular… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 02:03 AM |
| 4 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?My opinion is feminism is a political movement predominately based on female self interest that disguises itself under egalitarian pretenses to gain more political influence and to deflect any accountability over potential damages done. It has strategically sought allies in areas that don't immediately conflict with heterosexual female self interest (gay men, lesbians, transgender) and campaigned to broaden it's social network, funding, and political power to pursue self interest. If you combine… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 12:45 AM |
| 3 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.Women often express passive roles, whether interested or disinterested. It's not considered socially as acceptable or potentially even as biologically likely for women to 'jump' into a sexual advance. Courtship is a slow process where women like to take their time, evaluating a potential mate's quality. During this time maintaining a neutral state seems the lowest risk state for her to take either way. The result is a case of plausible denial. If she eventually decides she's interested she can g… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 11:03 PM |
| 10 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.Yeah, and if you aren't interested in a guy. Just say so. Be open, honest, take some agency in your life and spare the both of you an uncomfortable situation. No possibility of being lead on or anything. If he persists, then yeah that's creepy. But really, the exact same behaviors from someone highly attractive will be given enormously more leeway. I think the real truth is women really like the attention (being sought after gives an ego boost), while they also don't want to reject the guy cause… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 07:28 AM |
| 1 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.That looked way more funny than creepy to me. It looked like a pretty solid effort too. To be able to insert constant innuendo on that level takes a degree of dedication. I have to respect it. :D The way she so neutrally responds is hilarious. Could have freely told him she wasn't interested at any point in time, but continues a state attempted of scientific neutrality. If you have a problem telling guys you're not interested, that's your problem? Just tell them you're not interested in very cle… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.This is great. I am male. I am a non conformist. I am unemployed. I'm honest about my personal life, don't lie to get what I want, and am rarely evasive. I have pale skin. I'm willing to have philosophical discussions about sex with anyone interested. There you go. Don't have the bulging eyes or long fingers though. Sounds like what women are looking for are people who appear rich, appear as social conformists, who are dishonest/misleading/evasive, well tanned individuals who avoid the subject o… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Self Selection VS DiscriminationI can see how being assumed a potential pedophile or assumed rapist/aggressor/easily visually aroused could cause discrimination, but I would assume most bias is self selection. I like the term: soft science. There are still studies conducted attempting double blind placebo to measure results in these sciences. Not all studies are perfect and conducting more repeated/studies helps present balanced perspectives. But in softer sciences the theories behind the underlying mechanisms involve more the… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 10:55 PM |
| 2 | Men and women have different regrets after sex, study suggestsThat's how you feel? That's really interesting. There is a come down effect. A lot of parts of the brain become heavily activated during arousal (including reduced inhibition, but also numerous other interactions) to the point where your brain is in a noticeably different state of activation on brain scans, but there is a significant change of brain activation/chemistry immediately following male ejaculation moving into the refractory period. If I can, I'd dig up some good studies on this. For n… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 08:30 AM |
| 2 | What's the problem if a boy wants to put on a dress or girls act masculine?It's not much different than a school uniform. It's arguable in some ways school uniforms are better because there are less opportunities for poor children or poorly dressed children to be ostracized. I'm not convinced you can fully explain to a child why they could easily have less friends, be treated poorly, or even face bullies if he wears a dress without him associating the dress with bad things. You see, at this early age, 90 percent of society isn't going to be teaching other children to e… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 08:09 AM |
| 3 | Men and women have different regrets after sex, study suggestsGood point. I had a friend die in complications from a bad relationship. I used to try to reason with her, but she was inaccessible and could only perceive herself as a victim each time things got bad. Cause and effect never had any bearing, so the cycles just repeated. I still feel a loss, not just for her, but I had such hopes there was some way to reach people like that. In the old society she would have just gotten married and had a normal life. In this one, I was the only person I know of t… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 02:05 AM |
| 5 | Study Shows Angry Women More Likely To DivorceHungry people more likely to eat. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 11:11 PM |
| 2 | What's the problem if a boy wants to put on a dress or girls act masculine?Children are too young to understand the social consequences. In an ideal world, everyone could be whatever they are and be happy. In the real world, even if a society grows to tolerate something, that doesn't mean they will ultimately 'like' it. I'd say given current social circumstances, maybe dress at home if your kid is really into it and you want to support him, but at school something that is less likely to attract bullying or ostracism from the other children until they are old enough to … | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 11:08 PM |
| 7 | No, Movember is not ‘misogynist’A movement funding treatment for prostate cancer was misogynist? There is no benefit in this whatsoever. No way to spin this issue in any positive way on any conceivable level towards any goal other than putting a gun to the head of your agenda. Some may say there is no such thing as bad publicity, but I disagree. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 11:01 PM |
| 3 | Apparently I am not a real manI think reciprocation can be a fair road to take in life, but I'm not sure it's always the best one. It's hard to argue for being a doormat either. It's a shame sometimes those seem like the only choices. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Men and women have different regrets after sex, study suggestsDoes sound reasonable. I think it's likely any of these areas can cause regret more frequently: Perceived genetic quality: appearance, dominance, status, lack of success Perceived Investment: emotional and/or financial attachment Perception of how he sees her: if he was lying, obfuscating, or misleading only to have her learn the truth afterward, but sometimes just being left alone cause regret too Societal Views of the matter (shame) So it does make sense low perceived genetic value in appearan… | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 10:35 PM |
| 3 | Any Good Opposing Viewpoint Communities?I'm not knocking this forum or it's intelligence and it's much appreciated. I do plan to stay. I just feel like if there is another side of the debate that is humane, intelligent, and worth talking to it would be better for me to experience. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 08:17 AM |
| 1 | Any Good Opposing Viewpoint Communities?I'll be sure to check this out, and see if it has a different Feminist culture from the norm which usually involves ad hom and shaming attacks on men rather than fair exchange of information. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 07:55 AM |
| 3 | Any Good Opposing Viewpoint Communities?If I find myself in too much agreement, it can be hard to ask the right questions. Exposure to a wide variety of viewpoints can be good. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 07:54 AM |
| 2 | Females Oppressing Female Mate ChoiceIf you're all about fat shaming? You support fat shaming? Interesting. But didn't you say 'it's no more a shame issue than a preference for blondes?' Isn't that contradictory? Wrong word choice? I agree with the distinction though between fat shaming and having a lack of romantic interest in fat people. Edit: | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 09:56 PM |
| 2 | Females Oppressing Female Mate ChoiceThis is fair and I would not perceive this as shaming. But I have observed what appears to be shaming on occasion from others. The extent of the social issue, might be relative to our life experiences and observations so we have a subjective account of it. I would say I think the issue of objectification of females has more social support and is in mainstream discussion. Regardless of the extent, it's already covered. For me, I have preference for thinner, but the relative attractiveness varies … | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 09:48 PM |
| 1 | Females Oppressing Female Mate ChoiceI could see how MRM might want to avoid the stigma in fear of the stigma damaging other issues that may be more achievable? But if you're an MRM and feel the social stigma is too strong it could damage your chances at other issues. I think it's a valid thing to feel. And I could also see how feminists have objections. But if you do have objections. And they are credible? I'd rather potentially have my mind changed on the issue by some good discussion. I also posted this late at night in the USA.… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 09:32 PM |
| 2 | Females Oppressing Female Mate Choice@Bartab. I have a question for you, even if obesity (or even specifically female obesity) is just generally seen as unattractive and you were right that shaming obesity isn't a serious issue. Is making a positive statement? Like: If you are capable of being attracted to obese women and treating them well, giving them a chance is a good, noble thing? Obesity maybe generally less attractive (for biological or social reasons)? But they are human too? Increasing positive experiences within humanity … | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Females Oppressing Female Mate ChoiceFor the people downvoting. If they have reasons why. They are welcome to contribute as well. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Females Oppressing Female Mate ChoiceI'm unsure which one of you, if either are correct on accounts of the exact reasons prostitution are illegal, but the basic idea, of attempting to control male behavior through reducing access to sex (keeping sex a social reward for those who have been deemed socially worthy by women) seems like a theory with some credibility. On the flip side, some people believe prostitution is just inherently psychologically damaging. Me? I think if both people consent, it's probably more beneficial, and vari… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Females Oppressing Female Mate ChoiceHorrofbuff, actually agree with overweight people. If someone is overweight, and you're not attracted to overweight people. It's very possible to add unrealistic negative attributes outside of that: They are probably stupid cause they aren't smart enough to get thin (but a lot of thin people are stupid probably for much worse reasons) They are probably lazy cause if they weren't they wouldn't be fat (but a lot of thin people are lazy, or potentially more lazy) They're extremely unhealthy (cause … | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 08:06 PM |
| 11 | Hey feminists. How come men are still expected to pay for dates?Relatively easy one would be to stop stop shaming sexually inexperienced men and recognize their life struggles without negative judgment or connotations. Even if women fail to develop attraction to sexually inexperienced men, the amount of shame, condescension and hostility thrown their way is quite impressive. It can range anywhere from rape accusations to golden ones like "I hope you never find someone and stay alone forever!" The fact that women are self obsessed about slut shaming (but stud… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 12:43 AM |
| 2 | Hey feminists. How come men are still expected to pay for dates?Most truly equal social standard to date paying? Pay for what YOU eat (if you can't afford food don't eat there, order water while the other person eats, eat something affordable earlier or later) Pretty much all of the other solutions suck in various degrees. A. Pay a proportion based on how rich each person is (probably the least awful expectation of both people being forced to pay) B. Pay half and half (doesn't take into account economic disparity and that one person can order something 3 tim… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 11:19 PM |
| 11 | Hey feminists. How come men are still expected to pay for dates?Ooh this is a clever one too. Considering the vast majority (probably between 70 and 90 percent of people who ask out are men) and there is a social and potentially biological motivation for this, that's a great solution for the status quo as well. Just ask less guys out (take less agency in your life, experience less risk in both the pain of rejection and financial debt) like is already done. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 11:05 PM |
| 13 | Hey feminists. How come men are still expected to pay for dates?Ooh, I missed that one. That is the best tactic, actually, for rational self interest. Clever. It's surprising to me the amount of emotions and hostility I've seen from 'feminists' when this solution is freely available. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 10:19 PM |
| 14 | Hey feminists. How come men are still expected to pay for dates?I see a lot of problems with every day inequality between the sexes in mate interaction in various areas. First being, the average female has vastly different motivations in her mate selection. How much is nature vs nurture is up for debate, but I tend towards believing millions of years of evolution probably have left a significant mark there. Anyway her mate choice process often involves looking for signs of genetic fitness in male (attractive appearance, displayed dominance socially or physic… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 10:07 PM |
| 2 | Camille Paglia on Rob Ford, Rihanna and rape culture - "Feminism is dead. The movement is absolutely dead."These are really useful and informative perspectives. I am not sure why people are downvoting Femdelusion, because the admission there of a lack of knowledge of India's culture, and rejection of a knee jerk response of agreement is promoting informative discussion from people who have more knowledge about the subject. Does anyone with a more informed viewpoint on India's culture have a good recommendation of sources to gain more information about it? In the meantime, maybe don't down vote off a … | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 07:00 PM |
| 4 | Women hits man, plays the gender card and says he's not going to hit her, the man hits her and she tells her friends to call the police.yes, as a girl she could indeed be hit back after threatening to and then hitting a man unprovoked to the point of drawing blood, in the long run she'll probably think twice about hitting a man again next time. Yes, it was retaliation, but if you don't have equal legal and social protection against assault, and may never have these rights, and experience unprovoked assault that damages your well being. Then retaliation over 'letting it go' may be the more reasonable course of action. If all men … | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 06:35 PM |
| 7 | Camille Paglia on Rob Ford, Rihanna and rape culture - "Feminism is dead. The movement is absolutely dead."That's a good observation. Without having looked at data to assess the problem, I can't say whether I'd agree with her or disagree with her there either on India being a primary focus point. But regardless, I think the important thing is her pointing out modern American feminists spend most of their time ranting about the (anti) rape culture in America they currently live in, silencing all dissenting viewpoints, while ignoring real problems that exist in America, creating a culture of victimhood… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 10:41 AM |
| 1 | Camille Paglia on Rob Ford, Rihanna and rape culture - "Feminism is dead. The movement is absolutely dead."Apparently she has a great sense of humor too, reading that actually made me laugh. Edit: Read again, after some sleep. I don't think she was advocating from her words that some people are born true evil nor that all rapists are irrecoverable and I was misreading that. Her choice of the word evil (moral absolute) likely was an offhand simplification of the concept that some people will inevitably behave in a harmful way regardless of how much you try to teach them ethics and socialize away damag… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 09:53 AM |
| 8 | I am not a stereotypeStay at home dads are cool with me. But the market for them is pretty low and even for women willing to 'try it' there's no guarantee she won't start to resent him. On one side you have lust, with decently solid findings that ovulating cycles tends to change female preferences, preferring significantly more masculine appearing males: square jaws, v shape torso, signs of high testosterone when more fertile and less masculine appearing males when less fertile. Whether they also prefer more masculi… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 09:35 AM |
| 4 | Women hits man, plays the gender card and says he's not going to hit her, the man hits her and she tells her friends to call the police.Unless society can crack down on female entitlement to violence in some other way, this is sadly the only way to teach equality about the subject. And since, at best society turns a blind eye, and at worst encourages these entitled attitudes to form and play out time and again, well what can you do? In spite of her extreme emotional state and denial at that moment of time, that yes, as a girl she could indeed be hit back after threatening to and then hitting a man unprovoked to the point of draw… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 08:20 AM |
| 2 | Want to Teach Your Son Not to Rape?Good point, good catch and fixed. Sometimes words slip by. Appreciate that. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Want to Teach Your Son Not to Rape?I'm not 100 percent in my knowledge of brain chemistry, but I have seen some degree of evidence claimed that psychopaths could have legitimately altered brains which can be evident from perhaps childhood and onward. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/12/06/are-psychopaths-like-hannibal-lecter-brain-damaged/ In the event that there are biological differences in brain chemistry, attempts at nurture, may or may not be enough. But beyond this, even legal attempts, are often (as we… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 05:25 PM |
| 24 | Want to Teach Your Son Not to Rape?I think it's very possible in a society where men are taught from an early age that men = rapists, and men who have never raped, never supported rape, are equated with rapists, that the total number of male rapists could increase. That actually is a society where rape is attempting to be 'normalized' into male behavior by hostile insistence on the contrary to their current actions. We can be thankful that men aren't standing for this kind of vilification and are standing up for themselves in wes… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 04:57 PM |
| 5 | Men's Rights is a Left-Right IssueIt seems best for a rights movement to be inclusive to both the right and left in advocating for rights since males encompass both parts of that spectrum. I lean left at heart, with a head that's pulled me more conservative in some ways. That's some cognitive dissonance for you. But really, over the years through a combination of material I've read based on evolutionary psychology, and social experiences, I've come to realize western feminism is a harmful ideology to men that both demonizes and … | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 05:12 AM |
| 3 | Is rape different?Seems reasonable to me that it's 'different' but shouldn't be given a 'special' worst crime of all time status over something like murder. Murderers get love letters in jail and there is no moral panic over 'murder culture,' which honestly seems like a more realistic social concern. Given I've never met anyone who was a pro legalizing rape advocate? Even in the darkest corners. I've encountered a lot of hateful, frustrated, and angry human beings, but I've never once heard someone advocate for r… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Family Friendly Sweden. Under "Gender Equality" (#3), the article promotes fatherhood. A refreshing surprise.It's good to hear your perspective. I'm glad the positives are outweighing the negatives. Interesting idea about bringing low paying, high education jobs up, it's an interesting idea for a solution in a gender gap. Not sure I agree, but it's certainly better than affirmative action. Glad things are good enough there with gender relations that radical feminists aren't torturing you. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Teacher grooms pupil and then has sex with him. Avoids prosecution and only has to wait two years before teaching again.I think this issue is complicated by evolutionary instinct. If your social goal is to achieve equal punishment, then you need to enact that. Even if no one is hurt and everyone involved is happy. Unfortunately. In order to have consistent rules, you just have to. If your social goal is to achieve 'fairness' it's worth considering the evolutionary perspective of males and females, and within those subsets, individuals, and the respective damages incurred, their actual ages, maturity level, and th… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 12:31 AM |
| 2 | TIL that circumcision is forbidden in SikhismIt seems like an interesting religion. I've never read much of anything about it. After law (abstract ideal enforced), religion seems to be one of the most powerful abstract ideals to influence human behavior. I assume I'm incapable of being religious, given my unwillingness to follow doctrines with no skepticism, but I can't deny religion is extremely important in shaping humanity. I kind of fear for where we'd be without it. As our personal ethics aren't enough, our social norms are unstable, … | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Family Friendly Sweden. Under "Gender Equality" (#3), the article promotes fatherhood. A refreshing surprise.Interesting article. Aside from this, I've heard nothing but negative things about Sweden's extreme feminism. From the highest rape accusation rate in the world? Can anyone verify the validity of this video here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3cHsHnUPM It's about feminists going bonkers and believing satanic cults were killing children amongst other things? If anyone who actually does live there, could point out things that are actually things going right between the genders there aside from … | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 11:36 PM |
| 3 | A message from a teen aged male feminist: "I need feminism so males like me die and become extinct."Could be taken a lot of ways. Ironic protest. Genuine self hatred. But the fact that it needs to happen at all is depressing. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 11:22 PM |
| 2 | "So I guess the real question he's asking us is, are feminism and gender equality really the same thing?" - A genuine counterpoint to a feminist opinion - In a mainstream publication!Joss Whedon seems like a nice kind of guy driven by feel good emotions who believes he has good intentions. His status as a very successful and famous director (whom women would admire and wish to treat better than the common man) might shield him from the more intensive inequalities between the sexes or injustices of feminism. It's like he can sense something isn't quite right. But because of a personal life where he's had good experiences with women, he probably hasn't had the 'feel good' bubb… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 11:07 PM |
| 2 | Women rate men on Lulu vise. But a new site where men rate women is deemed creepy and they want it closed. Double standard I would say.That's alright. I haven't been here long enough to known if censorship is common. It's often something you have to observe over time, to see the in group/out group biases form. But I hope this isn't the kind of place where you'll get threatened with a ban for expressing yourself in an honest way. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:44 PM |
| 9 | Women rate men on Lulu vise. But a new site where men rate women is deemed creepy and they want it closed. Double standard I would say.I can recall Hot Or Not from many years ago featuring a great deal of men/women. They claim the photos are voluntary, but I'm not convinced people couldn't swipe a photo and post it against their will. Personally, if I was to have my photo swiped, I'd really prefer to be on the 'hot' rather than not though. One thing I can recall way back in the day, was 'ugly people . com' which I encountered growing up at a young age. It was meant to be a negative, site to laugh at ugly people, imo, but for me… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:30 PM |
| 5 | Women rate men on Lulu vise. But a new site where men rate women is deemed creepy and they want it closed. Double standard I would say.While I do believe social standards of beauty are potentially 'somewhat' infectious (partly biological, partly social) and thus any spread of standards could potentially make life more difficult for certain segments of the population... Attempting to censor this behavior and creep shaming men for it, shows a genuine lack of respect for their personal freedoms, makes you appear like a hypocritical bitch (women do it too, only they objectify dominance and resources in addition to appearance), and … | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:20 PM |
| 4 | TIL that men are totally and completely disposable in American Society today.Having dabbled in game creation as a hobby, I too have thought about feminist claims of unfairness here. The collective time and effort of the people involved, is astronomical. It's an incredibly slow process. An idea takes seconds, implementation takes weeks, years. A central complaint is that 'too many games are created by males, that pander to male interests, and somehow this is wrong, by not catering equally to female interests.' It's often considered sexist when games depict scenarios deeme… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 07:16 PM |
| 3 | Male Disposability and DisabilityI'm not sure I could ever pay a woman for sex, because I prefer equality in my relationships and see it as exploitative to recognize the disadvantaged, and then charge them extra for access to the same human experiences you would give others for comparatively less (or basically free). Kind of like you offer stairs to 'the able people' and then charge for the ramp, cause well... They have less options. Corner that market! I'm in favor of capitalism to some extent (which often involves some degree… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:20 AM |
| 5 | Female in Group Bias And Achieving Equal RightsThat really is really a core part the question. But to be fair, even nature can be curbed a bit. It's just unfortunately nature usually requires strict, sometimes awful countermeasures that challenge freedom and usually involves suffering. But if women have been evolving with a 'me first' attitude that was beneficial throughout most of our evolution and can't snap out of that? I wouldn't even know how to take that. It would be a tragedy if we had to as a species choose one (give women equal powe… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:08 AM |
| 8 | Female in Group Bias And Achieving Equal RightsMy experiences with feminism have been exactly that. Narcissistic self interest. I'm sure there are feminists who buy into the ideology, but are otherwise nice people (plenty of kind religious people out there), but they don't cross my path very often. I think the problem is it's a pseudo religious (well ideology) experience focused on self? Equal rights, if there are biological disposition obstacles at play, that's uphill at best. Strong social programming could be easier, but either way it see… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 07:14 AM |
| 2 | Male Disposability and DisabilityReducing negative attitudes towards disadvantaged people and encouraging people to have more reasonable, open minded thoughts is something positive that can be done. If as soon as the issue of sexually disadvantaged people is brought up, disadvantaged people are assumed/accused of being rapists who aim to legally enforce sex on everyone for considering the issue? You don't think those are negative, irrational attitudes towards people who are sexually disadvantaged? That even thinking about them … | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 02:25 AM |
| 1 | Male Disposability and DisabilityHow is identifying an inequality that men face generally in the species vs women, the equivalent of demanding an individual provides a solution? Obviously no individual woman owes any individual man love or sex. At least I believe so. But if there is a generalized inequality in the species that causes more suffering, if you claim to be interested in the subject of equality, it's worth considering solutions that could make experiences across gender more fair, or pondering if you are interested in… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 01:57 AM |
| 4 | Male Disposability and DisabilityEven if you have a PHD that's a perfect opportunity for discussion, to educate, inform, participate, not hostility. I'm a pretty honest person, I don't have a PHD, but I arrived at my worldview from careful consideration of my experiences and what I have read. It actually was a bit emotionally painful to arrive where I'm at with my belief system, to be honest. There are a great deal of things I wish 'were' true, but I just can't buy into. Edit: Added a bit | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 01:13 AM |
| 7 | Male Disposability and DisabilityWell you can feel free to believe what you believe. But you sound quite emotional, aggressive, and accusational towards someone you don't know. I noticed you didn't dispute any of my reasoning either but attacked my character instead. So regardless of which books I have or haven't read (which doesn't really change reality, imo) I'm going to assume you're having an emotional reaction here to a reasonable worldview, based on reasonable belief systems, or are just being provocative. In the event it… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 01:02 AM |
| 8 | Male Disposability and DisabilityThere are reasons why some actions are wrong, in an ideal world we would seek those reasons. Normative cultural levels of emotional reaction, doesn't mean as much as the reasons why an action is harmful. I believe rape is an evolutionary strategy that harms people's psychological and physical well being and that's a valid reason to make it illegal. It's logical enough it doesn't need hysterical emotional responses at it's mention to justify the position. Just because you fail at being able to co… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 12:06 AM |
| 4 | Men's reproductive rightsThis is obviously an inequality in freedom. Everyone I've known who aborted, the factors: maturity, perceived parental quality (e.g. chosen father was perceived as abusive) inconvenience, and/or available resources to provide for the child not really being there. It's true in all these cases, having the child set up for adoption is equally possible, it just wasn't desirable. The idea that all men should abstain from sex, while women enjoy all forms of sex without responsibilities and long term c… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 04:58 PM |
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