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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:40 PM
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Glad to see some men don’t! Happy to have you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:40 PM
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🦄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:14 AM
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💯 Men like OP act like women kind is losing something when they self filter out of the dating pool 👋
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:12 AM
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In general, women and men who have a healthy view of gender relations and romantic relationships would say that a partner provides: love, emotional support, common goals, physical intimacy, entertainment (fun to be with), is a provider (whether that be financial or homemaker parent variety), etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:09 AM
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Sex - I’m guessing is what most men on here would say. Luckily I have a husband who values me for more than sex and I value him for more than he provides but I guess we’re fucking unicorns if this post is to be believed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:50 AM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:49 AM
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Yes, itty bitty titty committee. I don’t mind the reference, when something’s true it’s true. I mean you may be right. But for all the world’s focus on skinny women - when I was in HS (20ish years ago), the boys were only interested in girls with assets (ass, boobs). I got called anorexic (I wasn’t). No one was interested - and maybe it was social pressure because some definitely were open to the idea of hooking up if no one else knew and I also was able to date boys who didn’t attend my HS pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:20 PM
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It does help, thank you. But as a member of the flat chest community - men in my experience do not find this attractive. They are fine with just about any girl for casual sex but most men don’t want flat for anything serious. Luckily for me my husband had other priorities, though I’m sure he’d prefer boobs - he never expresses that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:24 PM
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Eh you’ve got part of a point there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 12:48 PM
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I don’t think you understand. Your comment doesn’t even make sense. The post is about it not being shallow that women expect men to provide when they are building a family together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 12:43 PM
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None of this is an accurate interpretation of anything. Both men and women need to contribute to relationships and each couple needs to figure out what those contributions look like. It is not unreasonable for a woman to expect men to be able to financially provide in relationships - even if they can also provide themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:02 AM
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And men say women are the shallow ones. Yes, the only thing women bring to the relationship table is their breast size. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:24 AM
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You fixed nothing. Men shouldn’t support women they get no value out of. Men and women should contribute similarly to a relationship. But a man providing in a relationship isn’t commerce. Yes, OP’s business proposal is - but that isn’t my point. Men on here complain to no end that women want men who can financially contribute/support families and we get called shallow or told providers are “beta bucks” men. But this business arrangement indicates that some men are fine with supporting a woman so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:03 AM
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“Deserves”? That’s a weird way of putting it. Correct, many will not give up our careers to stay home. How about you do that. No, if I’m working and financially contributing then the husband has to contribute to housework and parenting as well. Why should it all fall on the woman? Why should we give up our careers to be left penniless in a divorce (or in a situation where the man never saw the financial benefit of marriage - even worse)? Hint - before you go off about how men get screwed in divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 12:57 AM
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And I would be paying for a dead bedroom too. I work and contribute financially and I want sex (as do most women!). Why do men act like women take joy in dead bedrooms. This isn’t common anyway. And it’s not all “women refusing to give men sex” - men also choose to end sex in marriages and other things happen like disability and illness. Be an active partner, don’t cheat/abuse, be a present father (if children), stay fit, communicate, etc. and you likely won’t have a dead bedroom. Women are attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:42 PM
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I hope those men find love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:38 PM
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My argument isn’t that women would be forced into this position. It’s that the men who would choose this option don’t value relationships with women or providing for women unless they get exactly what they want, when they want it. It doesn’t matter what she wants, just what he does. They don’t see women as human but rather there to serve them and be controlled. They will support a woman - but not if she is her own person or has her own needs - only if she obeys and submits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 08:26 PM
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So men don’t want relationships. If they want them to leave , essentially they just want to use them for sex and cleaning/cooking - thanks for making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 08:20 PM
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But the chef isn’t at your beck and call like described in the post. You go to the restaurant where the chef works and you have to pay the amount posted to get the food you want. The chef is employed by the restaurant, not you, and they serve you while you obey the restaurant’s rules. Also the chef only cooks your food, nothing else. This service would be buying a wife experience essentially. It would sell because of the level of control the man has over the woman. He wants xyz so he will pay he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 08:18 PM
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No, I see many men on here argue that most married men are beta bucks who were settled on. Most marriages don’t have dead bedrooms (only a small percentage and it’s not all women refusing sex. Many times men refuse sex. Disability/illness also factor). Most women also take care of kids/home (hopefully with the help of men). Beta bucks is not actually widespread problem in my view and I’m using this post to point that out. Women marry men we love, are attracted to, and can contribute to the life …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:59 PM
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Well this all sounds like the business deal for you. Hoping you can afford your sex worker/maid combo. Have fun being barely moral. Edit to add: your original comment says you’d pay if the price was adequate for the service. This service especially the platinum and diamond options, would be over six figures a year to the woman. Think about her sacrifices - no romantic life (most men wouldn’t date/marry these women), no time for family obligations (always on call), no time for her own interests/p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:00 PM
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No, that isn’t how relationships and money work. This post is the perfect example of why the “beta bucks” concept is nonsense. Men are willing to pay for women - as long as we obey and submit. Men are more and more arguing they shouldn’t have to provide. Because providing is beta. But this suggests providing isn’t beta when the man gets full control of the woman. It was never about getting used for your money when you dearly want love/desire - it’s about not being able to control women and get w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:54 PM
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This whole comment just really sums up my entire point. None of this shows you value women as people. We just provide services (sex, housework) and when you have to do for us, you are bitter about it. We aren’t robots. We weren’t made to do men’s bidding and obey and submit. Real relationships are about give and take, love, sacrifice, common goals, desire, etc. But you see it all as “obligation”. And most women do our obligations (I.e care for our kids cause fucking you is not my obligation). Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:39 PM
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I have to disagree with you here. That is not how money typically works in relationships. Both men and women contribute to relationships in a variety of ways. Men expecting to get what they pay for in a marriage - does dehumanize women. Men are willing to pay women for wifely duties as long as she obeys and submits (as in this business model). But a woman who is their partner with a mind of her own? Nope, less interested. That’s a beta bucks man. This is dehumanizing to women. We are only worth …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:26 PM
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Ha! I’m sure exploring the red light district was all in the name of academia. Thank you for your service.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:14 PM
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Bait and switches are never right but I’d argue most men know. The common examples I see are men complaining women had sex partners before them, that they were friends but she went for other guys first before choosing him, that she dated other types of guys first before choosing him, etc. I’m not seeing the narrative of “I thought she loved me but only wanted what I could provide”. I also think beta bucks isn’t common - women want men who can contribute financially but we also want men that we l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:49 PM
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It may be higher in poorer parts of the country - but men aren’t going to pay these prices for unattractive women. And, for the most part, attractive women can get a provider. Interesting about the pregnancy points. I’ve never been/used an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:33 PM
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Marriage is also protection. I add to my husband’s net worth, not subtract from it. There are many benefits to legal marriage. Ask homosexual individuals - they know better than anyone why the fight for legal marriage was necessary (hint it wasn’t the piece of paper). More women suffer financially in divorce than men. There have been many studies. Men suffer more emotionally and women financially despite what is suggested constantly on Reddit. Certainty, yes. True desire and love, no. At least i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:28 PM
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Because “beta bux (bucks?)” is bullshit in most cases. Yes, I married a provider. He is not beta to me. Most women marry men they love and are attracted to but they also marry financially secure men. I’m trying to make a point of that. We can want two things and it’s not the same as using men for a wallet as this business model literally is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:18 PM
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It is supply and demand. You need to make it lucrative enough to get the supply (attractive women who can get a provider for free) to meet the demand (men who can afford said service). No, I don’t think you lowballed. I genuinely think you’ll have to go higher for the level of sacrifice. Again, these women likely won’t have a romantic or personal life. No children (unless a single parent). Yes, poor women work for less but they also get their family, romance, etc. These women won’t have those sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:16 PM
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It was an amazing date. Sounds tacky but I probably fell in love with him first date. We spoke about many other things - that was like a 1 minute conversation. He made me laugh a lot. You can have an awesome relationship and truly love a person but still show an interest in how to build a life together. Don’t forget, marriages with financial difficulties are more likely to end and/or be strained.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:11 PM
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0 liability..hmm well that’s convenient for you. Very selfish of you to view marriages as such. The women contributes to your life but you want to be able to cut it off at any time. Variation - you got me there. Women like sex too and don’t want dead bedrooms. This is not as big of a problem as this sub makes it out to be. Also, men are often the cause of dead bedrooms. As are disability and illness. I guarantee, you stay in good shape, provide, contribute to housework and parenting - you’ll get…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:05 PM
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You’ve put a lot of thought into this. But you didn’t mention how much a service like this would have to cost the men to make it worth it for the women. How many men would be willing to date/marry a woman with this career? (Does exclusivity also mean she has no sex in her private life or just no other customers?) How would she be able to take care of a family or make plans for daily life if there are unlimited visits that can be scheduled whenever the man wants? A woman taking this job would nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:54 PM
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I laughed out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:39 PM
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I mean, isn’t this just being a Beta Bucks provider? Minus the submit part. Isn’t this what men are always complaining they don’t want to be? A wallet for a woman? This is being just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:37 PM
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Interesting. Could you explain how said service is different from being a Beta Bucks provider? Most men on here are adamant they don’t want women with them for money (admirable but missing the point they still need to provide). But this seems to be the same. You’re paying for the woman to provide wifely services. How is this different?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:36 PM
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It’s still cost of living. And also the strain parenting takes when both parents work (which is now required considering two incomes barely do what one did back in the 1950s).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:41 PM
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I feel like halfway with you on this. But just because “sparks fly”, I should give up on other dreams in life? I wanted a family, to travel, pets, to not struggle to make ends meet, etc. It’s expected I give up those wants to accommodate for a man? I’m not going to live in a cardboard box with a man. If you mean that it shouldn’t matter if the man’s not rich but still can provide (along with me) those things that I want (and hopefully you want), then I don’t disagree. But for the life of me I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:55 PM
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Kids AND life costs money. Women are better off if men like this stay single. They act like they are sticking it to us 🤣.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:51 PM
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We have lowest child birth rates because parents are opting for less children due to the cost. Also birth control is a thing, we can now effectively prevent most unwanted pregnancies. Whereas in history, married couples had sex and then had a dozen kids. Even having one kid is a huge financial burden, so yes we still expect men to provide. Most families in America have an average (I believe but haven’t looked it up recently) 2.5 children. She doesn’t need more arguments, but I agree with the res…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:42 PM
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Firstly, men should have income standards as well. It’s 2025 - women provide too and in this economy, two incomes is best. Second, at no point did OP say “any amount of intimacy”, she said “family”. Go have casual sex and get your intimacy. No men who wanted casual from me ever gave two craps what I did for a living. My husband? Asked on our first date and about how much people in my field typically make. Knew he was serious about dating for marriage at that point. Families cost money. Women alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:37 PM
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No, while I disagree with most of the men on here, I have to disagree with you here. I have 3 degrees and my husband has 2. We are late thirties and neither of us make 100k individually. We probably both will in another 5-10 years but no most people with college degrees do not make six figures by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:24 PM
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I agree. My husband and I actually discussed career plans and potential salaries on our first date. We didn’t get into all those things you mentioned but we both made it clear to each other that we had real career plans, we’re making steps towards obtaining those careers, and what kind of income could be expected in our respective fields (mine less than his but I still make good money). It was one of the reasons I knew he was serious early. Guys who just wanted to fuck me didn’t care if I assemb…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 01:43 PM
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I have three degrees and don’t make 100k a year. I’m 36. I may eventually make that but I’ll be mid-forties. So no. I do agree that 100k isn’t as much as it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 01:39 PM
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I never said “pay gap” and neither did OP. This discussion is about how is it shallow for a woman to want a provider for the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:57 AM
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I’m not moving countries. Men don’t need women to provide financially because throughout history women have provided other benefits. We biologically are the ones who have children. We are also more likely to be the ones to primarily raise the children and take care of the home. Men’s outlook on women’s finances still stems from this traditional family setup. I’d also argue that more and more men want a woman who can provide as well in this two person economy. It’s not that we don’t love them - b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:52 AM
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Life needs money. Yes, if men can’t provide then what are you bringing to the table? We have the babies, raise the family, do the housework, and provide - what are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:48 AM
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Makeup doesn’t make you pretty if you’re not attractive. It’s not shallow to expect contributions from your partner to the relationship. How is it not shallow to expect the woman to support you, have the children, raise the children, do the housework (cause let’s be real, women take the primary role in parenting and the home)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:47 AM
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It’s not. But the men here will bend over backwards trying to make a case for It.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:00 AM
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Men aren’t shallow because they love a woman for how she looks? You’re so close here. Men just have different shallow standards for women. They focus more on her sexual attraction. We focus on emotional fulfillment as well but the bills still need to be paid
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:59 AM
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We don’t settle for our partners who don’t make six figures. While I agree that hypergamy exists - most women are content with across or up, just not down.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:52 AM
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I agree the reason is sound for her ending the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:05 AM
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Looking at OP’s post history, he’s American. Therefore his friend likely is too. That’s not a salary one can afford rent, groceries, healthcare, etc. on and you know that. Statistically speaking he is more likely supported by family, his ex-gf, and/or the govt. Even as a poor person, he wouldn’t be able to support an impoverished lifestyle (unless he’s homeless) without charity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 01:05 AM
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No, common sense. Minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour now certain states have it higher (like cali) but they come with a higher cost of living. Working 24 hours a week at $9.20 (the American average for minimum wage) he makes $220/week before taxes. How is he supporting this wonderful single life you describe? How is he handling medical insurance (gonna bet govt funded)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:37 AM
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An individual working part time at minimum wage with no desire to make more of himself is not “a man living his life as he wants”. He’s being a mooch. It’s one thing if an individual makes enough to live as a single person but that is not the person OP describes. He’s likely living off his parents (who probably want to enjoy their hard earned retirement money rather than support their 35 year old child), he may be on welfare (and then myself and other tax payers are giving our hard earned money …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:38 PM
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Beta male provider? Living life on his own terms? K, who pays his bills at 35, mom and dad? That’s fair to them. They should be enjoying their retirement but they’ve gotta support their bum kid. What happens when he has an emergency? What if he needs medical treatment? Wants to own a car? Wants to travel? Wants to go to a concert with his friends? Needs to eat? Needs new clothes? Needs clothes that are weather appropriate? Needs new shoes? Being able to not mooch off of others in life is BETA be…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:31 PM
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I disagree with your last sentence. I think that’d be true if he was <25. I fell hard for guys who played in bands in HS and college. But in your 30s? No, those examples won’t cut it for getting a long term partner or wife. I grew out of my rocker boy/rocker girl phase (no that is not the same as settling). Most women will feel similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:25 PM
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Got it. So from your perspective the woman should be the provider who lifts the man out of poverty, the pregnant one, the one who goes through childbirth, the one who goes through postpartum, the one who breastfeeds, the one who does most of the night wakings, the one who made sure enough money was saved before she got pregnant to ensure the bills got paid while she was recovering/breastfeeding, the one who does most of the housework/primary parenting (because this falls on most women….ALL WHILE…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:15 PM
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A physician is a medical doctor. Do you know what it takes to get into med school, graduate med school, work crazy hours as an intern/resident? This is a career that is by definition ambitious. So I’m clarifying that a physician is a medical doctor because you must not know that to make such a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:08 PM
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Most mate across. Which is also hypergamy. But I feel the need to correct your statement that “men mate down” because it’s offensive. I’m not down for my husband. And he’s not down for me. We are across as are most couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:01 PM
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This is a bad and immature take. You always have to be contributing to each other and your shared lives. If only one partner contributes, that isn’t fair and very selfish of the other partner. Take my parents. My dad lost his job when I was in middle school. But he picked up with stuff around the house, drove me to school/activities, took me to sick appointments, and was always applying to jobs. He was out of work for awhile but he eventually got back to it. My mother didn’t leave nor was it a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:15 PM
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Good for you. Here’s a cookie 🍪.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:03 PM
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Yes, but most families have kids and most women want them. It doesn’t say the gf wants a family/stable future but we can ascertain that’s probably the case. It’s not shallow for women to want men to be able to provide - we provide as well as primarily take care of the family and home. She gave him a chance (assuming he had the part time job when they met) and he refused to grow as a partner. It’s reasonable to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:00 PM
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No - but they: 1) don’t get pregnant by themselves. The man helps. 2) typical stay at home moms are taxed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:14 PM
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You honestly think that sounds easy? Pumping out kids? Taking care of multiple crying kids who fight, while you wobble around pregnant and nauseous or in pain, breastfeeding these kids, taking care of meals/laundry/injuries/sicknesses/night wakings/ etc?! Honestly you are either a troll or a kid in my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:48 PM
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You know nothing about parenting Electric_Death. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:39 PM
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Solid thought process. But it just shows where men’s priorities lie. If she’s hot, they probably will continue to not care. Personally, I think they should. Unless it’s a situation where a woman was raised in a very conservative family - taking care of their younger siblings, cooking meals, housework, not allowed to work outside the home (a woman like this would likely be a good parent and wife) - then I think it’s fair to use the same standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:34 PM
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Let’s read between the lines and actually take into consideration what it takes to be the primary parent staying home with kids. This is a full time heavy lifting job. Kids are no joke and I’ve stayed home and worked full time and working full time is the easier gig. He will put other things in front of his kids - like whatever he’s putting in front of work now. Which will be 1000x worse because it leaves the woman to do all without extra income from working. My argument has far more evidence th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:13 PM
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lol his girlfriend wanted to make sure SHE wasn’t being used by a deadbeat with no real prospects. He is the exact example of the type of men we are always told to choose better than. He doesn’t have to conform to women’s standards. He can stay single. I can’t see many (if any) women choosing that situation. If he wants a woman, he’s probably gonna have to step up 🤷‍♀️.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:06 PM
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Men want women with redeeming qualities too…they may focus less on income if they are well off but they want pretty, big boobs, gives blow jobs, cooks, cleans, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:56 PM
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I mean, if it helps, I judge them. But I probably shouldn’t. I think the point here though is that women won’t accept that in a partner most of the time. If they do, that’s up to them but I’m not going to agree OP’s friend’s gf is shallow or wrong for leaving. If both partners are on board with their situation - who am I to judge? But I’m also not going to judge this girl poorly for making a choice probably 95% of women would make.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:53 PM
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Based on what? What qualities did OP list that make you think his friend would make a “great dad”? You think a man who can’t be bothered to work full time is gonna step up to the 24/7 of stay at home dad? Delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:41 PM
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Doesn’t mean they are capable either and that’s a risky card to play considering how expensive divorce is for the spouse who makes more. I wouldn’t take a risk on a man who has shown no initiative in building their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:56 PM
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Yes a man who has not bothered to work full time or attempt to make more than minimum wage is really the type of personality who is going to be a go getter as a house husband and stay at home parent. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:37 PM
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We are not ruthless lol. And dating is not bad for MEN. Maybe for boys like who OP describes. Women already work, have the babies, are the primary parents, primarily take care of the home and now we have to accept a 30-something year old man who only wants to work part time at minimum wage? Thanks but no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:35 PM
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Divorce is far more likely in couples with low income. Also, the woman’s doing everything then - supporting the family, creating the family, raising the kids. It’d be one thing if your buddy wanted to be a stay at home parent and took care of kids/home but I don’t trust a man who will only work part time at minimum wage in his 30s to step up and be the husband and father I’d need him to be. This is a normal thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:32 PM
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🙋‍♀️#2
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:33 AM
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Exactly the guys who have been the worst to me have been the least attractive. Average as the day is long.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:47 PM
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You got the clap? They have a pill for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:45 PM
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No, offense taken. Thank you for your response. I did online dating because after college, I was never really approached. I had one boyfriend in grad school whom I met through work. It was short term. I work in a female dominated field so I didn’t have many options in grad school. I just wasn’t meeting men and lots of people were doing online dating. Yes, online dating could take up time. It gave me options though which I didn’t really have in real life. I’m not unattractive just average. Funny …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 01:54 AM
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Yes, I’ve met men in real life I was attracted to also that I wouldn’t have been attracted to in a photo. But with online dating - you only get an online profile. When given choices, I chose to go out with the ones that I felt I’d most likely be into/attracted to. Was I supposed to go out with every single guy who messaged me? Should I have quit my job and taken up dating full time? I don’t understand your criticism of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 12:58 AM
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I’m not sure if I’m the demographic you wish to respond, but here we go. I dated online between the years 2011-2013, I met my husband at the end of 2013. I have no idea how many messages I received/sent myself. Sometimes I’d get an onslaught of messages (mostly when I just joined and when the site recycled its algorithms and put me in front of more guys) and other times I’d get nothing. When I got a lot of messages, I was more picky with who I responded to. Sometimes, I was just talking to too m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:18 PM
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No, it would not but I would need more information. With the information you provided, it probably would not bother me assuming STD tests were taken. However, men who have spent a lot of time with strippers/escorts would be a deal breaker. If they are heavy in the party scene, doing drugs, and fucking escorts - this would be a red flag for cheating and incompatibility. But if your whole story is really that you wanted to experience intimacy but didn’t have access to/interest in a relationship, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:34 PM
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No. Women are far more likely to end up worse off financially than men after divorce. Most parents - if the man wants it but usually he prefers the woman raise the kids - can get 50/50 custody, so as long as their aren’t any safety issues with one parent (I.e. drug use, risky behavior). And if divorce courts do divide things up, it’s usually whoever makes more (which is not always the man) who owes more. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5992251/#:~:text=Numerous%20studies%20have%20shown%…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:19 PM
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It’s not half HIS money. I work full time and brought savings and retirement money to this marriage. We bought our house together and pay the mortgage. It’s OURS but half is mine. Wild how men see it all as HIS - your comment. And yes, to answer your question, if his lawyer decided to go after my premarital savings/retirement account or our house- I’d have a lot to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:02 PM
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Love and agree with all of this. No notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:43 AM
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I’m gonna tell you what men on this sub love to tell women who have been with abusers/cheaters - choose better. The law can’t differentiate based on the type of spouse they were. Divorce courts can argue who deserves what and hopefully it works out fairly. But you can’t change the whole field of divorce to screw women cause some may deserve to be screwed. Personally, no I don’t think much of kept women. But I don’t feel badly enough for the men that keep them to leave a spouse (like the one in o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:35 AM
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You left out the part about how, in the scenario, you missed out on raises and pension payments by your employer. You at the least would’ve had a pension for retirement AND a much higher salary ten years down the line if you continued working. You also would’ve paid into the house so now it’s your investment too (not only mine).You also saved me money on childcare/summer camps ($$$), allowed me to work overtime and weekends to get ahead in my career by providing childcare without a nanny/sitter,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:29 AM
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Agreed. Stupid or not - I wanted a man who was taller than me in heels. I’m only 5’3, so most men are. It wasn’t too hard to find. Other traits were much harder to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:51 PM
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He barely out earns me. And there are other aspect to our finances that you don’t know about like how I put more of my money into a down payment on our house. There have been times I made more money and it’s likely I will out earn him again in future. But even if I don’t, if we divorced we would split things how we saw fit. You don’t get to weigh in here. And while we both parent, I am definitely the primary parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:44 PM
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Just for raising the kids?! You don’t have kids huh? Let’s do a thought experiment. Let’s pretend we are getting married. I’m a lawyer and you’re a teacher. We agree that we want a family and we don’t want to send them to childcare when they are young. Since you make less, we decide you stay home. Keep in mind, teachers generally get raises every year, their district pays into their pension, and they contribute to separate retirement accounts on top of that. We have three kids and you stay home …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:41 PM
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Most women work nowadays - and when they don’t - it’s often because the men don’t want them too. Women take care of kids when they are stay at home moms and that is no easy task. Women absolutely do contribute in all the ways I mentioned. My husband makes more than me, but not by much. We both work full time, take care of the home, and parent. Half of our assets are mine. And any labor that you could “hire out” - is saving you money. The man doesn’t have to pay for a surrogate, childcare, housew…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:22 PM
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Nope. Is the man a stay at home dad? Is he contributing? Then nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:18 PM
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This is all just wild. If this is the women you are dealing with - then I’m going to tell you the same thing men love to tell women on this sub when it comes to abusers/cheaters - choose better. I am myself between 18-39 and my friends and coworkers are too. I don’t know a single woman who sees things like this or who doesn’t work their ass off in their career and parenting. I work full time and my husband and my assets are half mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:39 AM
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Choose better 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:11 PM
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You sound angry and your views are very warped. My husband works from home in a similarly demanding job to my own. One day you will have kids and understand parenthood better. I am assuming people agreed to the dynamic as a couple. The stay at home parent doesn’t agree to give up their financial security and future. The marriage ensures they won’t. It’s a contract that ensures both parties build together. Who says she cheats/abuses/bitches and complains? Maybe he cheats. Maybe he abuses. No, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:33 PM
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Yeah, I’m gonna tell you what the men love to tell women on this sub - choose better. The majority of stay at home parents are big time contributors to the spouse and family. You can’t legally take away their rights because some stay at home parents may be “couch moms”.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:47 PM
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It’s not a dumb take. Go get some kids and a baby and stay home 24/7 with them and then come talk to me. We get a lot out of raising our kids but we need to be able to support ourselves also. The man gets something out of having a family too but he doesn’t have to sacrifice his financial security. If you had a stay at home parent who did all of that and more - then why don’t you have more respect for them? Should your mom’s contributions to the family and raising you and your siblings counted fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:51 PM
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Are you kidding me? You’ve never been a parent huh? Child rearing full time is more taxing than working full time - and I’ve worked high stress jobs. Stay at home parents raise the kids (save the man childcare costs), do all the housework, cook all the meals, do the childcare while men work overtime, do the sick appointments, are up at night with the kids, sometimes they homeschool kids (at least for pre-k), etc. Stay at home parents contribute to the family. They are giving up their ability to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:13 PM
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All of this is so true. Men act like they get screwed so much in marriages that many are refusing to get married. Women are then having kids anyway and staying at home as a girlfriend - and they have no legal protections. He doesn’t have to support her (and likely won’t long term if he couldn’t be bothered to make a commitment). Women are more likely to be in poverty after divorce than men but yet men go on about how unfair divorce courts are to them. I’m honestly not against pre-nups - I consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:39 PM
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Your whole second paragraph- 💯. It’s the men not valuing what the woman contributes in terms of their success, especially when they stay at home. It’s HIS not THEIRS. I have no issue with a man owning a house pre-marriage who wants to make sure it stays his house (but we have to take into account if she pays into the mortgage, the taxes, the remodels, the maintenance, etc.). But too many men on here go on about how she took half HIS stuff in a divorce and I’m sitting here like…well half was hers…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:22 PM
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Just here to tell you the 15th percentile is below average. The top 10-20% of the men are the 80-99th percentiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 12:43 AM
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I also gave you data. You conveniently ignored my cheating data and how it negates yours.And no - studies can have criticism. Their usefulness only extends to the parameters of the study. In this case apps. Not real life meetings between men and women. It’s pictures only. It’s not personality, sense of humor, smell, tone of voice, etc. All things multiple women will tell you we need.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:41 PM
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You’re basing all of this on app studies. I assure you, they were very average. Just googled and 20% of men report cheating while married - and probably more do while dating. So that blows your 10% theory. Also - you realize 75% of the population is low average to above average, yes? Statistically speaking. Dating app studies are skewed. As a woman who used to date online - I can tell you that I could not tell attraction from pictures in most cases. Guys either looked unattractive, normal, or a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:34 PM
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This bullshit again? The guys who cheated on me were average. The guys who have cheated on my friends? Average. This top 10% is bullshit. Humans in almost all different cultures have marriage in some shape or form.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:05 PM
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I just looked it up and I’m seeing a lot of criticism for this book. While it’s popular, most scholars and academics reject it. In fact it was initially rejected for publication because it failed its peer review process. There are significant criticisms of their methods and conclusions. It is not outdated information that humans pair bond. You can look all through history and see that most cultures have some version of marriage. Men just use this nonsense to backup their right to cheat and sleep…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:03 PM
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If the answer is anything other than “yes” or needs qualifiers, then you’re not being transparent and are being deceitful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:20 PM
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Is this true for human males? Humans have always pair bonded. Meaning one close partner. For the purposes of raising offspring together and ensuring one’s genes are passed down. Certain animal species - the males do seek to spread seed. But with humans, this argument is just an excuse from men to allow their shitty behavior of cheating/sleeping around while expecting women to remain chaste.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:18 PM
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Do they know about each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:16 PM
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The didn’t vote for Kamala because she’s a woman and America is misogynist. It was never about men’s rights. Trump was always going to cut programs that predominantly benefit white men - such as those mentioned. Hate for women and feminism runs deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:11 PM
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This was truly my experience online dating. I couldn’t tell from pictures who I was attracted to. I picked ones that looked most attractive and had bios that suggested we might be compatible. Sometimes, I wasn’t attracted to them upon meeting. After a few months I realized I can’t tell at all from a picture. When meeting men in real life, I’ve been attracted to men I doubt I’d have been attracted to with just a picture of their face. I think men are more used to feeling attraction to pictures of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:34 AM
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This is long and I don’t feel like responding to all but your whole “average” argument is bugging me. Your argument is that most of these average guys are above average in at least one area and you list them. Average is a measure of central tendency. Most people have strengths and weaknesses. Being above average in one area doesn’t make you overall not average. Especially if it’s balanced out by being below average in another area. Think of it like an IQ test - measures things like verbal skills…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:25 AM
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I love it when people bring data to the party.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:48 PM
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No - but men are still focused on that ideal. Men have a completely unrealistic view on how women should look from social media and porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:20 PM
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Maybe be interested in women who don’t look like Victoria secret models. I know men can’t help being obsessed with porn and what they see in the media. These men with 100 women a year aren’t sleeping with only very attractive women. I know that people can’t help who they are attracted to - but social media and porn have truly given men unrealistic expectations of what women look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:51 PM
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*I’d rather have a more attractive woman who I’m exploiting and who is trapped with me because she has no better options because it satisfies my sexual needs. Rather than a less attractive woman who is not being exploited. There I fixed it for you! Also most western women have their own money, I certainly add to my husband’s net worth not subtract. But you jump through whatever mental hoops you need to avoid the fact that you are exploiting women for sex. Edit: western men are just as fat. I cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:06 PM
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Yes, and they are letting people use them. You’re buying a wife. Especially if you have so little to offer, western women don’t want you. On top of that, you’re exploiting many of these women. Sure there are some who are educated and fluent in multiple languages - but most times these men are targeting women without opportunities. Women they can control. Women who, once in the US, will have no friends or family. Who won’t know the language or culture well. Who aren’t educated and can’t obtain go…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:07 PM
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My husband isn’t a Chad and I didn’t settle. We want the men we fall in love with. Stop acting like women are just chasing looks and money. Men think that probably because all they are chasing is beauty and obedience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:45 PM
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I hope you meet the right partner soon. I do feel very lucky but remember feeling so defeated while dating. Guys who wanted casual, players/cheaters, drug/alcohol overuse, no career, no education, poor compatibility, etc. It was like finding a needle in a haystack for sure. Hang in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:26 AM
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No, I’m not using any disingenuous script. I keep seeing from men on here that they fear being settled on by a woman and being seen as a wallet rather than someone she is wildly attracted to. I’m just pointing out the irony of being okay with that with non western women. Im not saying these women are untrustworthy. It seems like a pretty straightforward arrangement. You come from a more affluent country that most of the world would love to have citizenship in - and they agree to be your partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:22 AM
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Agree with everything here. Why would we want to marry man children we have to support? Or marry men we don’t want to have sex with? Im married, but I went like 2.5 years without sex or a bf before I met my husband. It sucked, but staying single and looking for the right man was worth it rather than waste my time with either fuckboys who didn’t respect me or men below me in looks/education/employment. Happily married now and glad to be out of the dating scene. Honestly think I’d rather be alone …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:13 AM
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Alright, as long as you are comfortable with the fact that they are settling for you as a walking wallet or green card and you’re good with that, then have at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:04 AM
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Because even if they are “average” in looks - they are more easily exploited. Thats the draw.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:00 AM
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The “quality” - you talk like women are meat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:58 AM
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Idk my husband gets beers with, goes on ski trips, goes to bachelor parties, and to sporting events with his friends. No one packs the swords and bayonets to head out to the field in search of war.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:12 PM
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Yes, both men and women don’t want to be settled for. It’s understandable. No one is saying everyone should have a perfect life. No, I don’t agree with this fully. I don’t think we “compromise” on a partner if we truly want the person. For example I do not believe my husband settled or compromised by making me his wife. Would his first choice have been Megan Fox? Yup. But realistically we all want to be the first choice of the partner for individuals we meet in real life, are attracted to, and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:39 PM
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No, men continually talk about not wanting to be settled on and being seen as a wallet. They don’t want to be 2nd, 3rd, etc option. It’s an idea as well. They want to be truly chosen and be attractive to their partner. We want the same. I want a man who wants me for me, is attracted to me, etc. Not a man who is only with me cause I’m the only vagina he can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:21 PM
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I could say the same for men. They don’t wanna be “beta bux” who women settle on cause they are “safe”. They want women who want to claw their clothes off and fuck them into oblivion. Why is it bad when we also want that? We do care about being cheated on. We care about more than that tho - having a good partner. Ask yourself, if I were a Chad, would I cheat? If the answer is yes, then you don’t get points for being an average or below average looking dude who can’t cheat. You’re not a good part…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:06 PM
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Read the post I made below.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:58 PM
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No, the attractive man can choose to be a monogamous partner as can less attractive men. We want a partner who chooses us (I.e. is not with us because we are the best - or only - he can get). We want a man who chooses monogamy because he’s not a cheater and he wants us. Her argument it’s that many average or below average guys only don’t cheat because they can’t. They have no option to. That doesn’t mean they are good people. It also doesn’t mean that they don’t feel they’ve settled and won’t go…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:58 PM
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Nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:27 PM
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Exactly. Most of the “nice guys” who I knew in real life who complained women didn’t want nice guys, were not actually nice guys. Sure they probably wouldn’t have been physically abusive or cheated - but they were controlling, not interested in me for me just for my having lady parts (settling), bitter/jealous, resentful of my having had past relationship/sexual experience, some weren’t catches in terms of education/employment (altho this one doesn’t play into the nice category but does play int…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:18 PM
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Oh good. I’m so glad he reassured me he’s not just looking for hookups or to chase skirts while he looks for a wife. Men NEVER lie to get into ladies’ pants 🙄. Love on a first date? No. Sex is an intimate act that should be done when both parties are ready. Why does it not even need to be good? Your whole post is about wanting to check sexual chemistry because it’s important for long term health of a relationship. You want genuine passion as you say. But it doesn’t even need to be good? Why woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 09:53 PM
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The engagement timeline thing - This is such as excellent point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 07:39 PM
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So I know you don’t want my response because I’ve never had sex the first time meeting/going on a date with someone - but I’m gonna give it anyway. No! Your statement about it being clear he isn’t just looking for hookups - isn’t a valid one. He literally is. Your explanation for why he wants immediate sex but also wants something long term, is bullshit. If he really enjoyed spending time with someone, then he could wait a few dates to a month or two to have sex. Sex is important in a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 07:35 PM
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Do you consider me a “starter” girlfriend who you intend to discard and lie to? Are you concerned you are using deceit to up my body count which makes me less desirable to men who might want me as a wife? Then yes you’d be using me as a hole (in my view, not all women desire as much connection as I do for sex BUT you wouldn’t have to lie to these women so moot point). Giving me an orgasm does not make up for this. I was bullied too in school. Maybe not as bad but I got made fun of for being too …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:54 PM
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The first sentence I was saying I’m not sure I believe you - not that I expect the world to be fair. Women can be monsters but so can men. And I call it imagined because, as I pointed out, sex isn’t pie. You aren’t entitled to women’s bodies on the same timeline as they provided it to someone else. If you told me you were lied to, cheated on, abused - I would’ve validated that. You haven’t shared anything other than angry statements that women should fuck all men equally to be fair and gone on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:43 PM
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Yes, but you are attempting to coerce them with your proposed approach. Hence controlling. I guess I see your point about multiple being better from the perspective of not feeling like you had that. But see it from my perspective for a second - plenty of men have wanted my body/me for sex. Like tons and I’m super average (cute face, killer legs, skinny, no boobs or butt). Men wanting to use me as a hole is not validating. Only one man wanting me as a partner is. I see - that’s interesting and fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:34 PM
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Something tells me that hourglass Stacy women have better options than a misogynist - but 🤷‍♀️. I wouldn’t touch someone like you with a ten foot pole. I don’t think you’ve healed from whatever imagined offense you’ve experienced from women. But that’s ok - not sure I’ve fully healed from men lying, using, and cheating - even tho my husband is amazing, I’ve been with him over a decade, and he makes me feel respected. So I guess - if you are fucking Stacy women - that hasn’t fully healed you eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:25 PM
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That’s not an admirable or helpful solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:20 PM
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Read my other comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:17 PM
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Your flair cuts off. I have no idea what it says fyi. And your whole second paragraph above sounds like a struggle. wtf else was I supposed to think?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:15 PM
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Holy shit I just spent like 15 mins responding to you, hit the wrong button and it got deleted. Here we go again: You are not being empathetic or safe you are pretending to be. Hopefully you won’t actually do this to someone you care about. Feeling that women’s affection should be yours is entitled and controlling. If it wasn’t about bodies, you’d be happy to have one woman who desires you. This is an attempt to be equal to the men you’re jealous of and punish women you see as having punished yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:12 PM
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Why is that your dating pool? Sounds like you go for toxic women. Also maybe you’re showing red flags and scaring women off. We aren’t required to give our bodies to anyone we don’t feel comfortable with. You are very entitled. Don’t have unprotected sex then if you’re with a woman you can’t trust or you don’t wanna risk babies with. Do not get me started on the topic of child support - because you will lose. It’s YOUR choice to protect yourself and if you forego that choice, well biology made s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:35 PM
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Sex and relationships aren’t about being fair. It’s not pie we are dividing. The idea that women have to adhere to what you consider “fair” with access to their bodies is extremely immature and frankly, irrelevant. I’m married to an average man (and I’m an average woman) and I would never treat him as if his needs didn’t matter. He loves and respect me and gets that (and lots of bjs and sex) in return. This how average women are treated in dating - used for our bodies with men lying and cheating…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:23 PM
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Please don’t listen to this poster encouraging death. He is not someone to take life advice from. Please seek help if this ever crosses your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:20 PM
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You actually just encouraged someone that death is the answer. This doesn’t give you insight into what might be going wrong with your making relationships? You don’t talk about women or OP as humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:20 PM
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Well at least you know you’re not a good person for it. I still think you’d have more luck working on actually being a worthwhile partner (not a lying cheating one) and learning how to see women as people. No, you’re not thinking about needs correctly. It’s not that women don’t care about your needs - it’s that we only care about the needs of men we know personally and connect with. Am I supposed to go sleeping with every virgin man or man who just wants sex to “care about his needs”? No. You’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:09 PM
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You sound like a sociopath. “I want what I want and lying with the purpose of getting what I want without care for others’ feelings or desires for their body is perfectly fine as long as I get what I want”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:52 PM
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So because you are unhappy and want something different, it’s perfectly fine to lie and manipulate women into using their bodies cause you THINK you need to fuck lots of women so you can have more sex than your friends? Women are people for fucks sake. Because you feel emasculated you get to make women feel used and discarded? Why are your needs more important than theirs? Our bodies do not belong to you. You are all about YOU and this is your primary problem in finding partners. Start seeing wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:48 PM
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Loved reading this. Thank you for taking the time to write it out. No notes. Good luck in dating/relationships/marriage. I don’t know your current situation but don’t settle for being a placeholder - you have too much emotional intelligence to waste on that. Many women do value stable and emotionally intelligent men - and also want them physically. Everyone is different but I feel less inhibited and more excited about intimacy with a safe partner. I understand not wanting to be settled for but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:05 PM
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Never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:10 PM
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I’m not a liar and certainly wouldn’t lie to the man I’m spending my life with. I don’t think most people want to lie - and frankly women shouldn’t have to. We shouldn’t be shamed for it. But sleeping with some random hot guy would not be worth lying to my future husband over. And sleeping with some guy because it’s what he wants and he thinks what he wants is more important than what I want, is certainly not worth lying to my future husband either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:10 AM
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It’s not at all irrelevant. Fear of consequences controls behavior at times. When you get angry and want to beat a guy up - do you do it? Probably not. Because you’d get arrested, maybe fired, social implications, etc. Knowing there will be consequences for actions reels impulses in. Unless you have an impulse control disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:08 AM
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Disagree. Women get judged for having high n counts. Most men don’t see easy women as marriage material. We all know if you want a better selection of long term partners, you need to keep your n count down. Which is exactly why I didn’t sleep around - despite often wanting to - while single. I knew I’d have to look for a husband with that number.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:06 AM
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Men who don’t care about me would be using me. Yes, that is dehumanizing - exactly. My desire to be cared for and respected is more important than a man’s interest in being laid. Hard stop. It’s not about value, why should I cheapen myself for your pleasure? Edit: you didn’t answer my question from my last post. But we all know the answer is yes. You would use me. You would not care about my wants/needs despite your complaint that women aren’t caring about men’s needs for instant intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:02 AM
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I’m not saying women should make sex hard for men who they are already in a relationship with. But in the beginning, if a man really likes you and wants you for more than sex, he will wait. Especially if they have other options for sex and their ego can take the hit of not sleeping with you. The women who will bring you peace are the ones who aren’t hopping into bed with every hot guy who comes around. The woman who you truly connect with, who gets you, who you have more with than just physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:01 AM
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Nope I don’t agree. Give men sex and they get bored and move on. A man who is truly into me will wait especially if he has other options for getting his rocks off. Look at King Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. King Henry could have any mistress he wanted - he was king! Anne wouldn’t fuck him. She wanted to be queen. Granted he did want an heir which required a new queen but by your argument he would’ve chosen a mistress he was already fucking or was already pregnant. He wanted Anne. Why? She said No.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:20 AM
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I’m 0% surprised. Though it happened to me when I was young and dumb. I’m married now to a man who loves and respects me so I don’t need to get used to the fact that men lie for sex. If we ever divorced or I was widowed - I’m pretty sure I’d stick with my vibrator. I have a high sex drive but dating sucked and at my age I’m not interested in going back to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:13 AM
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I read your first paragraph and started to get angry because it seemed to be an argument that women should be putting out early (despite their comfort) to prove to men our “enthusiasm” - but then I kept reading and feel you’ve actually nailed the whole thing. You get it. Both sides. Men have a right to feel wanted in their relationship and women have a right to feel safe and respected. Finding if attraction is present along with compatibility can take time. Problem I see here is men complain tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:11 AM
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Nah high value men who truly are interested in you will wait. For the exact reason you stated. They can get sex easily from other women so they aren’t hung up on not getting it from you. If they believe you are what they want (especially if they value low n count for a relationship) they will wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:50 AM
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Lying and manipulating to get access to a woman’s body is sick and disgusting behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:49 AM
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I am far more likely to get used from casual sex than to find someone who I have a connection to, then who is willing to be exclusive with me and marry me. Why should women just allow themselves to be used repeatedly to make men happy? Would you turn me down for sex if you were very attracted to me physically but you didn’t think we are compatible long term while also knowing I was looking for marriage and commitment? Let me rephrase, would you turn me down for sex if 1)you were very physically …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:45 AM
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How do you explain people married or in committed relationships? We don’t just go around fucking every person we are attracted to. We exercise self-control and single folks do this as well!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:39 AM
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This is literally not at all the same thing. Most people don’t regret eating some extra cookies or fast food even if it isn’t good for them. Having someone penetrate you who doesn’t care about you is a much bigger deal. I’m genetically skinny and don’t eat healthy. Itll catch up to me in the cholesterol dept if I don’t change but I’ve never felt less than for eating. Felt plenty less than when I’ve found out men were just using me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:37 AM
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What?! No. I was celibate for two years before meeting my husband. I have a high sex drive but I wasn’t looking to sleep around and therefore made that choice. Totally worth it to keep jerks who wanted to use me as a hole out of my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:30 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:29 AM
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Maybe I just don’t want no strings attached sex. Which I didn’t, been with my husband 11 years, no dead bedroom. Wanting only men who respect me/care for me inside me is absolutely more important to me than your “time” or what your body wants. Your desire for sex (some guy I just met) should be more important to me than what I’m comfortable with intimacy wise? No. How fucking entitled. We aren’t allowed to learn from mistakes we made while younger?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:27 AM
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Honestly, your last paragraph is the only thing that truly makes sense in your whole rant. Men are jealous women have made progress in society and we have powers in society we never had in the patriarchy before. Men are mourning their loss of power over women. This isn’t admirable - you controlled us for generations and told us what our lives could be. Now you hate us that things have changed. We all have trouble in the dating market at times. I was single for a lot of time before meeting my hus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:28 PM
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I’m sorry can you clarify “redeemable”? And do men need to be “redeemed”?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:08 PM
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My point tho is that most women do not look to continue having only casual sex for their entire life - most eventually want marriage/ltr. Therefore, promiscuous women are shamed. They are seen as not wife material and put in a “just for fun” category. This plays into OP’s question about why women don’t do “pity sex” - why would we up our n count and deal with the social fallout for a man we aren’t excited about? Men and women do not see n count the same, I’d agree. In my case though, I didn’t do…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:54 PM
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Yes but most of us want relationships eventually. Unlike men we need to watch our numbers (altho I didn’t like high n count men while dating, it’s still more socially acceptable). Of course men who want easy access to sex don’t care if a woman has a high count - in fact it’s better for them cause they are more likely to get it too and quickly/easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:35 PM
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Agree, women get judged more the higher their body count. Therefore, most of us would not be open to adding to the count with men we aren’t enthusiastic about having sex with. Hence, being a woman who has multiple partners that are “shy” just isn’t worth the social fallout. Men get high fived for the number of women they lay - regardless of the type of woman. The college guy you describe is likely “the man” to his friends as many women come to him and he gets sex with them. They probably think h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:32 PM
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I didn’t put out on a third date ever. Including with my husband, who I was clearly very interested in. Men absolutely still judge on n counts. I know my husband wouldn’t have been with me if we didn’t have similar numbers. I don’t want a man who has been with dozens, so I can’t have those numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:36 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:23 AM
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I’m not watching any videos. I talk to real people and women aren’t wasting their time with men they aren’t interested in. Women who genuinely like you would go out for ice cream. You can always work for more money. I cant get you off my bedpost once you are on there. Again, if you want to buy sex, get a prostitute. Women bring plenty to a relationship beyond sex - or they should and if they aren’t, you’re dating the wrong people. Plus people make videos to get followers and to rile ppl up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:19 AM
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“Owe”? For a date? This is exactly why I always offered to pay my half, so men didn’t have this entitled view of me owing them anything. What I bring to the date is myself and the opportunity for a partner in life if we click. No, being used for money (which isn’t even what is happening, we are just dating) is not anywhere near the level of insult as being used for your body. Gender irrelevant. It’s disgusting you don’t see that. Correct I am saying that most women are not going out with you on …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:06 AM
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I’m ignoring all of the first part of your post because it’s not at all what we are discussing and there are similar points with men. Plus a lot of this is nonsense - I don’t dress like a teenager. We take all your money on dates so we owe you sex? Just get a prostitute. You are not justified to lie to women to get sex because you’ve spent money/time. Men getting “used” for dates is not the same insult as women getting used for their bodies. On any level. Plus women won’t continue seeing you if …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:53 AM
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I’m pointing out that he’s likely missing out on good partners because he’s writing off women who make him wait - assuming they have no interest. Yet he has a very high n count and hasn’t settled down because apparently he can’t find any he likes who like him. Maybe a different approach to dating is warranted. It makes me angry that men want to use women and have the nerve to be “insulted” they don’t get access to her body cause they’ve “invested” in a few dates. Get a prostitute. They even get …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:49 AM
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How are they going to “find out”? Men don’t seem to understand how important it is for women to be valued for other aspects of us than our bodies. Sex isnt a reward. No one has a valid argument to be upset they didn’t get access to someone else’s body. Wow men have a warped view on intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:39 AM
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Because the investment of time and money is not equivalent to the investment of giving someone your body. This argument from men makes my blood boil. Unless you’re flying her to Greece date 1, sit down. You buying me an app in a bar and spending an hour is not the equivalent investment of sex. Who says other men got it easier?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:28 AM
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I agree with you here except we aren’t “sluts” if you are not also sluts. Women have high sex drives and are very sexual - which many men from redpill wont admit. Most think men have higher libidos by default. We want sex with men but society has ingrained in us that we are dirty for wanting that so generally we want ltrs where we can let loose. Society has a long way to go before women have the same sexual freedom as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:18 AM
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Dude you’re just bragging about your high n count because it’s cool for men to have that. If I claimed to be even at 10 - you’d call me a slut. You’re fooling yourself if you think most of these women didn’t “do you for the grins”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:12 AM
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Yeah, that tells me all I need to know. Maybe stop expecting blow jobs on date 2 and throwing out all other women and you’ll find a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:06 AM
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Nope! Most certainly does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:04 AM
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Glad we wouldn’t have wasted each others’ time!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:03 AM
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We cannot handle the truth? This is gross. You’re saying you lie to us to get to use our bodies. We can handle the truth, we just don’t want the same things as you. So you justify lying and playing a “game” to get us into bed to use us for our bodies. Real standup man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:57 AM
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No, sex is the only indicator YOU care about. I agree, I only gave sex to guys I really wanted but not until I had reason to believe they cared and respected me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:47 AM
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Rare? I doubt it. Where is this data that it is rare? I never had sex with men right away, regardless of attraction level. Also didn’t with many men I wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:45 AM
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Yes, I should allow someone who has no respect for me access to my body so you can determine if I’m good enough for a relationship and if I’m not, then you just leave me while patting yourself on the back for getting laid. Men are pigs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:42 AM
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Take my upvote. Yes, not everyone has low standards for access to their body. Women get used all the time, judged for body counts, and told by redpill/incels that they are just pumped and dumped. While also telling other men that they are beta for being with women like that. But yet - they want us putting out early. Make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:41 AM
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You’re not “the wait three months before sex guy, take it or leave it” - yeah I’m leaving that. I’m not a sex before relationships person and I’m not bending on that to make you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:36 AM
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140 women wanted you in their life…or 134 not counting those 6? Wow you must be pretty special. I think you’re attracting more “total sluts” than you think. Especially the ones who wake up thinking you’re a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:34 AM
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I only agree with your first and last paragraphs. I’m commenting because it’s nice to see a man admit women can have high sex drives and be very sexual - like men. I see too many guys on here go on about how women don’t like sex and have lower sex drives than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:30 AM
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Oh no?!!!?! That is SO much worse than a woman getting used for HER BODY. Let’s stop pretending men wasting time/money on dates who don’t work out is at all on the same level as that. Dating takes time and money. It’s called dating. OP is correct - you are looking for sex and if you don’t get it, then it’s a waste. You’re not seeing dating as a process to find someone special.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:26 AM
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No, not all women. Many women want men to care and not use them. You claim to have a very high n count. Why haven’t you been able to find a single woman worth wifing out of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:24 AM
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Okay but in those situations, what have you lost? Nothing really. Expecting women to be giving out to every guy they go out with just leads to women being used. You’re missing good opportunities with quality women by writing off all women who won’t fuck you by date 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:08 AM
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If that’s the kinda women you like, then you do you. If you ever want something legit, than maybe rethink your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:06 AM
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There are many women who would make you wait and still be attracted. These women are just trying to make sure you care for them and aren’t using them. It’s gross society is trying to force women into easy sex they will just get used for most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:00 AM
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I know and it’s so ingrained I would’ve felt dirty having sex with people I didn’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:59 PM
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I had 5 when I met my husband at 25 (then became 6) - I don’t consider that to be high and I have a very high libido. Society judges women with high n counts so even those of us with high libidos, have to ignore our desires so we can attract a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:48 PM
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Full agree. Men are just looking for sex when they won’t continue seeing a woman they enjoy the company of if she isn’t putting out. They are probably missing out on some great women. Their loss 🤷‍♀️.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:44 PM
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Gross. Who the fuck sucks your dick/fucks you on date 2? If you’re looking for a relationship, you need to put in effort. Why would women, who want you as a bf, give out that easily? We then get used because you decide we are easy or you didn’t like us and just decided to have your fun. But you write off women who make you wait until they get to know you? Makes no sense. I never slept with any guy I met online on date 1. Any guy who wrote me off for not sleeping with him before exclusivity, miss…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:40 PM
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She doesn’t want children, perhaps those men decided they wanted children after all. People have different goals in life and aren’t always aligned.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:32 PM
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Us older 30s ladies are still sexually attractive, she also said she doesn’t want kids. She isn’t suddenly looking for a long term partner, she had four long term relationships - she just happens to be single currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:29 PM
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Thanks for mansplaining. What would us women do without you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:48 PM
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You’ve stumbled upon that most women want men that have some upside? Men too with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:28 AM
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🙄, you don’t want to work - marry a provider. Yes you are so oppressed that you have options. S/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:28 AM
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So the goal is divorce? Emphasis on NEED to work - many of us WANT to work and have careers. Yes, there were certain fields women were allowed in. Many they were not. No, I have a career. Most women I know have careers. Yes teaching and nursing are careers. Am I supposed to be impressed by these numbers? Glad they are higher today. Stop spitting on the feminists who fought for women’s rights with this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:18 AM
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Women weren’t allowed to have careers, bank accounts, credit cards, couldnt be educated beyond a certain level, couldn’t vote, etc. Women were oppressed even if you don’t think Leave it to Beaver showed that. This is a dumb take. We have options now that women never had in the past because of brave women who fought for us to have more opportunities. Don’t insult those women and their sacrifices with a “we aren’t better off now” take.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:15 PM
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Who decides if a woman has “overly high expectations”? When I was dating, I wanted a man I was attracted to, treated me well, compatible personality, had a good career/was getting educated, etc. I looked until I found this and did so successfully. I don’t think these were overly high expectations. Men on here seem to talk a lot about what they think women deserve and complain we aim too high. We get to aim for whatever we want. Not settling works out for many of us. Your last sentence, I agree w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:25 PM
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I’ve also seen attractive women go for men that I would consider unattractive or at least below their level. I guess my opinion is that the redpill mindset is rarely about unattractive women. They want attractive women and while there are women who may be available, they don’t have interest in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:42 PM
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I see..so are unattractive men genuinely attracted to unattractive women? While “unattractive” is subjective - I’m going with it as you used it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:37 PM
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Wouldn’t this also be the same for women lacking in the looks dept? Instead of being used as an atm, they’d either be used for sex or just have no options for sex/relationships. Or maybe as an ATM if they make lots of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:28 PM
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Sexless? Most men are running around having casual in their early 20s and partying. Almost all the men I knew while dating had higher numbers than me. My husband and I were roughly equal. Both parties have experiences and then choose each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 12:00 PM
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This is dumb. So by your logic if I had five partners before my husband, that makes him my 5th choice? I met him years after these partners. It’s not like he sat around waiting for me to fuck other guys, get dumped, and then pick up the pieces. He also had partners he met before me that he had sex with. Am I 6th? No, we chose to marry each other and we are each other’s number 1 choice in life. He didn’t stand at an altar and take a vow before friends and family with any of them, I didn’t bare an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 01:19 AM
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Of course not. I don’t expect men to give birth. I don’t expect women to impregnate someone. This is not a standard that is fair. It’s just men getting to do whatever the they want while expecting women to behave how they would like. OP’s post IS about calling it out. That’s how this discussion arose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 07:54 PM
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If you are promiscuous and do not want someone with the same behavior - it is a judgement. Come up with one non moral and non fair reason. My problem is men viewing women as property they can control. Also with men getting to whore around while women face consequences. Sure he faced “consequences” with me - but not really. Plenty of women were still sleeping with him. He just lost out on bedding one 6 when he was like a 8.5. If he regularly faced any criticism, he wouldn’t have shared as boldly …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:41 PM
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What? That makes no sense. Femininity and masculinity aren’t moral standards. There’s nothing more to say here. I did refuse to date promiscuous men. I went out with one guy who slept with >80 women and had never had an std test. I literally laughed in his face and told him I’d never touch him. He was a little hurt but honestly, I don’t feel bad. If I were telling men that they’d be doing the same or worse. Men should get shit too. I’m married now to a man with a similar n count to mine who valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:57 PM
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🤷‍♀️I’m not. Doesn’t seem like my problem nor my focus on this subject. Commenter below is just trying to steer the subject away from the matter at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:51 PM
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If he no longer wants that life and wants to settle down then, yes he should find a partner with a similar mindset. But if he has been promiscuous, then it’s a double standard to judge her for that past history. Men and women are more likely to cheat if they have past promiscuous behaviors. So your virginal bride should put up with that risk for you when she so carefully limited her sex life to be “wife material”? Think no. Promiscuous men make promiscuous women. You expect all those women - who…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:48 PM
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Yes, those women also are often experienced themselves. Because behavior is controllable whereas physical attributes are not. They can’t be held to a moral standard as can behavior. That’s the logic. No, I disagree. Promiscuous men not wanting promiscuous women comes from a judgmental and controlling place. You can do whatever the fuck you want if it pleases you but your partner (who is an actual person with wants and desires) has to fit these virginal standards. It’s not at all similar to a phy…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:15 PM
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No one mentioned femininity versus masculinity. Being feminine =/= virginal. It is controlling and hypocritical to judge your partner’s sexual past when you haven’t held yourself to the same standard. Yes, but it does socially inhibit our freedoms. We are shamed for it and the pool of men willing to marry us shrinks as our number grows. Yet this isn’t true for men. Double standard. We again have to fall on the proverbial sword while men get to do whatever the fuck they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:10 PM
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Doesn’t make them not hypocritical and controlling partners in this instance. If men are allowed to express and explore sexuality - so should women. Besides who are you racking up your bedpost numbers with if not us? You sleeping with other men? Therefore, if men want low n count women, some women have to fall on the proverbial sword. There have to be women who have the casual sex (that men so desire) and are then willing to be judged/cast aside as not wife material by the majority of men. Not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:10 PM
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No, this is a physical attribute preference. Many fit (and nonfit) men prefer thick ladies. If everyone is happy in the relationship, who cares. The problem is when behaviors are judged differently. Women are shamed for expressing and exploring their sexuality while men get a free pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:07 PM
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They are adorable, they are low maintenance, they self-clean, they are affectionate, they are playful, they do not need to be walked in freezing temperatures (looking at dogs), they are warm, and they genuinely love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:55 PM
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It’s hypocritical. It’s a double standard. Men should be called on their bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:53 PM
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Wow - this is a sick comment. Truly proves redpillers don’t see women as people. Just objects they should be able to control and regulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:21 PM
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How so? You literally argue about 4s fucking 9s and then seeing a 6 as settling. I’m pointing out your numbers and how you view people’s appropriateness for one another is bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:14 PM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:12 PM
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Only your partner can determine your value, not others looking in. You might value her at a 4, but her partner who you see as 6+ might see her much differently. This whole the market decides your value shit is nonsense. People get into relationships with other individuals who make them happy. Everyone else has no right to get worked up when a 6 is with a 10. Edit to add: most men would value me at 5.5/6. Mostly cause I’m genetically skinny with no assets. But I’ve met guys who are crazy about sk…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:07 PM
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I have no input. Just here to say, I love cats. If I hadn’t met my husband, I’d have definitely chosen the cat lady life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:01 PM
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We are horny too haha! Women like sex. Get better at it and you’ll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:44 PM
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Agreed I did not want a promiscuous man. But I do agree with OP - men who are promiscuous should not hold their partner to a different standard. If he can whore around without consequence, he can’t expect a low n count/virginal woman to want him. I don’t think OPs point was whether that type of man could get a virginal woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:42 PM
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I think the best way to answer your question is the following: If I met a guy through friends, at school, or at work and didn’t feel instant attraction, I would still engage with them because the situation called for it. If something grew naturally then great! Online dating, I generally did not give more than 2 dates to see if I had attraction. Beyond that, it felt like I was leading him on. Plus women get flack for going on multiple dates with guys without putting out - using you. By date 3 mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:14 AM
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I didn’t see your response. I just googled reproductive coercion and according to Wikipedia it’s pretty equal amongst men and women trying to baby trap one another. The prevalence also isn’t high. In most cases, pregnancies from casual sex are unintentional. Both parties have the responsibility to prevent and if you trust one partner to do the preventing, that doesn’t eliminate your responsibility in the matter. Your story sounds like she was scattered and forgot to change out her bc. You chose …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:05 PM
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Nah this wasn’t my experience. Men took no accountability. Dating is about getting to know one another and then deciding if you want to continue. I went out on 2-3 dates with some guys that seemed nice but then decided they weren’t for me. Why is this wrong? Was I supposed to know if I wanted to marry you date 1? That’s just dating, you put in time and effort and sometimes it doesn’t work out. It’s the way the cookie crumbles. Dude, idk maybe 8-10.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:17 PM
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That’s a really sad outlook. I didn’t say that individuals preferences don’t change. We just look for others who want similar things to us. This changes throughout life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:13 PM
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Yeah…I’m not going to be on board with sex with my husband as often if he isn’t putting in the effort to make me cum. He always does - and I fuck him every chance I get.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 10:40 PM
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No, they were not above average. How many relationships? Like 3 long term (one was the abusive fwb one) and bunch of short term. Went out with about 15 online guys before meeting my husband. Met him at 25. We are equal in looks, income, education. You choose to view it as skewed based off of a dating app statistic. This is not real life. I couldn’t tell how attracted I was to guys from pictures unless they were like movie star hot. Mostly I went on dates with guys I considered normal to see if I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 05:55 PM
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No, you’re not understanding. I date a guy. He makes me his girlfriend because HE sees my value and decides I’m on his level. He may think I’m a 8/10 whole package - looks, personality, humor, etc. His friends, think I’m 5/10 at best and he could do a lot better. Other men interested in dating me look at me and think, well I’m below him in level. I must be dating above my level and not giving guys on my level a chance. My point is only your PARTNER decides your value. Im tired of hearing women o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 06:46 AM
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We do experience self-doubt around desirability, it’s just a different measure. I felt incredibly insecure while dating that most men just saw me as hole they were hoping to get the chance to fuck and not as person worthy of a relationship. Your claim that we should be at least grateful and flattered that someone desires us for sex isn’t received well by women. It’s not flattering that a man wants to use me. It makes me feel less than. Like a goddamn sex doll. This is not the flex men think it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 06:21 AM
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My comment makes perfect sense. You proved it in your last sentence. If you partner decided you were undeserving, then they wouldn’t be your partner. Your partner decides. It doesn’t matter if your partners friends or the general population think you are less attractive or below their level. Each individual gets to decide who is on their level. This is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 05:57 AM
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Where are you getting these numbers? I googled and got: The 80% thing is based on picture alone on dating apps. Women need more than a picture to determine attraction. While online dating, I often had no idea if I was attracted to the guy. As long as he wasn’t ugly and had other attractive factors on his profile (I.e. has a career, interests, etc.), then I gave him a try. I could not tell my attraction level based on pictures. All this stat proves is that men are more visual than women. It’s up …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 05:19 AM
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I appreciate your interest in how to be a caring partner for a woman. Much better than most of the men I interact with on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:57 PM
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No, I was never a party girl. I’m giving examples. Edited to add: I’m pointing out that people seek out individuals in similar places to them in life. Party sex focused people look for those people. Marriage interested individuals look for others like this. People who are fitness focused, look for others gym rats. I don’t agree with any of this. I’m very attracted to my husband. And sexual exploration happens with each new person. Neither of us were virgins and we wanted to be having sex so we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:33 PM
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🙄. You are adding that - not me. That is true to a certain extent but it is also just as true for men. When men/women aren’t looking for marriage - then they arent looking for partners focused on marriage. Why would I date a man who wants a wife, if I just want to fuck around and party? Men do this way more than women. They want to sleep around while young and not be “tied down” and then they go looking for their wife when they’ve either been unsuccessful or are tired of it. This is just life, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:07 PM
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I disagree. Read all his comments. He states that women would rather be with an attractive man who is bad in bed and then claims he is one. It’s a weird flex. You don’t have to agree, but it would generally be considered as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:52 PM
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I didn’t put my husband on the back burner ever and I don’t see women in my life who do this either. It’s amazing to me my post got downvoted. Men dont want to be the good man she loves and adores and spends her life with. They just wanna be the asshole hot guy who fucks all the pretty girls. So weird to me. Edited to add: nothing in my post suggests putting anyone on a back burner. Wtf. What you’re quoting suggests nothing relating to your “counter”. I see my husband as a prize and choose him e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:29 PM
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It is a flex cause he’s bragging about it. Why would you wanna advertise you aren’t good in bed? Even if you can get sex without being so - you don’t want your partners to enjoy themselves? You don’t want to feel skilled at sex? It’s a weird flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:27 PM
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Yes, but only that partner can decide if you’re deserving. So much talk in here about individuals “levels” - and men (women too but less so) telling women our standards are too high and we should date them. The market as a whole doesn’t decide if you’re desirable for a specific person of any level. Only that person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:25 PM
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Read minds? The amount of men here arguing with real women about what we think and telling us what we think, and you think we expect you to read minds! Most women are direct and clear - you just have selective listening skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:23 PM
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You need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:22 PM
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Take my upvote!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:40 PM
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Sure women have never experienced heartbreak or rejection. We’ve never felt used by men for our bodies and never suffered the indignity of that. It’s just wonderful to be us! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:37 PM
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At the end of the day, your partner decides whether you are “deserving” of them. No one else can judge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:33 PM
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I mean, it would be sweet if my husband bought tampons and/or rubbed my back. But honestly, we get our periods every month for decades - this isn’t something I need special treatment for. I’m thankful he doesn’t whine we can’t have sex that week or demand oral (I often give it freely but it’s nice to know I’m not expected to). It’s nice when men are understanding but mostly it’s just life for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:29 PM
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So you’re just straight up admitting you’re a selfish lover because you are attractive and don’t have to bed good in be to get women? Weird flex, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:20 PM
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We don’t choose our husbands that way! For fucks sake. Relationships are far more complicated than the hottest person and women are far less visual than men. We marry our best friends, the guys who make us cum, the good husbands, the good fathers, the non man child, etc. I’m not pining over some Chad looking dude. Women find good partners they don’t think like this. You sound Redpill, maybe rethink your moniker.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:57 PM
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Her opinions are rooted in reality - woman married to a 5’10 guy who doesn’t make six figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:44 PM
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Plenty of non attractive men abuse women. And vice versa. I know from firsthand experience. The guy I was in an abusive relationship with was average attractiveness, dropped out of hs, no job. Left him in 2008, heard he’s still single and has been since. Not a Chad. Is it my fault for staying? Yup, but it wasn’t a delusional fucking him cause he’s attractive. Also men do this too, how many men would be willing to be abused by a model to be fucking her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:42 PM
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Yes, I’m aware women can get sexual attention from men who don’t value us. Why is that a flex? Some guy wants to use me as a hole? Delightful. This isn’t the compliment men think it is. It’s degrading actually. Trust me, my experience in dating average men is that average men want better looking than average. Victoria secret model is probably a stretch but they see the likes of average women as good for casual and only want to settle down with women above their league in looks. Luckily there wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:35 PM
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Women are told we lack self-confidence and the smarts to pick the right guy. Agreed, we don’t nullify each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:28 PM
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You have no evidence. I provide logic. We don’t need you, we want you. We like sex. Therefore we want relationships where we have sex. Women like sex, if the women you have sex with don’t, get better at it. I’m not going through this whole post of nonsense and Redpill/incel talking points with rebuttals. You won’t accept them anyway. You want to be bitter about women and your perceived status with them and continuing getting your information from man filled echo chambers online. I already gave y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:17 PM
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😌 glad to find someone on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:33 PM
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Is this sarcasm? Wasn’t I just talking to you in another sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:23 PM
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Where am I getting this from? Real life. Women like sex. Myself (and all my gfs) have higher sex drives than our husbands. Divorces are often mutual fault. Even if the woman files. People also can become less attractive to their partner over time. Ever heard the phrase “show me the sexiest woman in the world and I’ll show you a man tired of fucking her”? Saying the majority of divorces are because women were never attracted to their partners is delusional. Dead bedrooms are complicated and not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:13 PM
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Yes, they should’ve been. Doesn’t make the women who did so good people. Also doesn’t make the men who claim they were taken to the cleaners accurate in their assessment. Women contribute by working full time nowadays and taking care of family - but men will complain she took half in divorce. Well yeah - that’s her half. My husband and I jointly bought our house. This is half my house. This is a whole other argument though. Generally I agree that partners should make smart decisions not be with …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:51 PM
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Agree it should not. I realize you didn’t explicitly say it but I do see a lot of blaming women alone for poor choices on this sub. There isn’t enough mention of how the men shouldn’t have been abusive just that the woman chose poorly and should be held accountable. That’s what I’m reacting to. I’ll never forgive myself for being in that situation, but that doesn’t make it all my fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:26 PM
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Have you also seen men cheat? Men rape women? Men sexually abuse women? Men be controlling and possessive of their woman? Pure manipulation? Financial control/abuse? Oh you have?! Huh weird. I thought only women were bad. No, for the 1000th time, we are looking for safe men who we do find attractive. No one wants or needs men they aren’t attracted to unless you truly have gold to dig (most men don’t).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:23 PM
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Where did I say that? No, I said guys want casual sex and when they aren’t attractive enough to get it, they get bitter and shut down. It’s not that they don’t have any women attracted to them. They are shooting above their level for a type of interaction that isn’t fulfilling for many women. If they focused on non Victoria secret looking ladies who want relationships, they’d have more luck. Which is the exact thing you said to me “I shot above my level”. You can’t tell me these average guys I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:14 PM
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There are examples of almost everything in the world. This doesn’t mean it’s the norm. Women like sex. I don’t need a man to support me, it’s not 1950. Why would I settle for some guy I don’t wanna fuck? Makes no sense. Go 70 years back and start this argument. You’ll see women settling left and right because they were viewed as less than without a husband and couldn’t support themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:03 PM
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Nope most of the men I went out with were your average guys. I dated two Chads in my history. Every other of the 20+ guys I’ve been out on dates with have been average or below in looks, job, education, etc. I love my husband and he’s my first choice but he’s on the same level as me looks, education, job wise. You’d be surprised how many short busted looking guys only wanted casual sex. Edited to add: so nice of you to suggest I’m a lower level because I pointed out I don’t have a Victoria secre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:59 PM
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Date some men and then let’s talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:55 PM
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I did not encounter this while dating in a major city in the US. Women who sleep around are still slut shamed. I didn’t have sex with quite a few men I wanted because I knew I’d have to divulge my number to a husband prospect someday and I’d be judged for it. Women have to restrict themselves to not be seen as less than while men get to fuck whoever they want without consequence. You can’t possibly not know this double standard. Women have to be untouched or rarely touched while men get a free p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:54 PM
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If you feel that way about your relationship - which I can only assume you do because I’ve seen many of your posts - then leave and find a woman who does value you as a partner. Most women do not do this. I don’t know any married woman who feels she settled and isn’t regularly having sex with her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:51 PM
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Of course women should be attracted to their partners. You do realize women like sex right? We aren’t looking to settle down with a guy we don’t wanna fuck. This isn’t the 1950s where women can’t work and need a man to support them so they will settle. Men should still aim to be good people and provide safety in relationships. If they don’t want to be a man treated poorly in a relationship they shouldn’t treat the woman poorly. That’s the topic of many posts on this debate sub. Men want to be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:43 PM
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I’m referencing the second sentence in your comment and you know it. So can men. You’re not making any points.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:40 PM
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Disagree. Have you dated men? They absolutely believe non models are below average and that they are “settling”. Look all over red pill and incel groups. Look how many men have a porn problem and choose porn when they have a partner. Because they are obsessed with that type of woman and see the rest of us average Jans as settling cause they aren’t a Chad who can get a model. Spend their time being bitter and angry those women won’t choose them while ignoring cute “girl next doors” who would marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:38 PM
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Really?! Cause I’m about 20 years post high school and my mom still periodically makes fun of the idiot I dated in high school. We still get criticized, trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:34 PM
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I do look back and realize I made a bad choice. I should’ve left the situation and didnt before it had gone too far. But that doesn’t make what he did right nor mean I wasn’t victimized by him. Two things can be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:33 PM
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This is the same with men. Due to social media, OF, and porn all men want women to look like Victoria secret models. Sorry but real women don’t generally look like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:30 PM
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There are also men who delusional. What’s your point? I had trouble finding guys who wanted more than sex when I was dating because men are obsessed with boobs, and I don’t have them. Men want Victoria secret models - skinny with big boobs/butt - the rest of us are just good for hookups. There aren’t a lot of women with Victoria secret bodies and if you are naturally skinny like me, then they generally have assets to match their low bmi.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:27 PM
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K well good luck being alone because if you won’t provide safety in a relationship (which is what safe choice men do), then we aren’t going to want you long term and any relationships you do have will be unhealthy. Be the “risky” cheater/abuser/man who starts arguments and breeds insecurity in women - no skin off my nose. We do see our safe choice men as a prize. That’s precisely why we marry them and choose them everyday.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:21 PM
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Yes, it is. But a lot of us did/do talk to guys we aren’t sure about. Honestly most of the profiles, I couldn’t get a read on if I was actually attracted. I did feel not attracted to some men and I didn’t respond to them. But ones I was unsure of, if their profile hit certain things I was looking for (same general area, employed, looking for long term), then I’d usually respond unless I had too much going on. Then I’d get a sense in person about other factors. It took a lot of dates to meet my h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:17 PM
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I have proven neither of your points. If visual is all you give us - then we need a very attractive man. Because we can’t judge our attraction based on that alone. Men can do so more easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:30 PM
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Who says women have a lower sex drive? https://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:28 PM
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No, it means we have a high bar for visual in the absence of other available factors. Men see women and it’s enough. Women see men and 🤷‍♀️ unless he’s an Adonis. We need your personality. I always said while online dating that I probably turned down a lot of men that could’ve been good for me (I found my husband so all good). Mostly because I couldn’t tell if I was attracted based on picture alone and (not to brag cause I’m very average) but I usually had other options messaging me that I felt …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:15 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with you here. In the absence of other attractive traits being available for evaluation - women will go for the most attractive men. We need those other traits to feel attracted to a partner. I do not think OP makes the point he thinks he makes with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:13 PM
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Potentially offer platonic emotional support. First, I’m married - but even if I wasn’t, no I wouldn’t offer him sex. Sex to me was always about chemistry and believing (sometimes wrongly) that the man cared for and respected me. I don’t owe this man sex because he’s jealous other people get it more easily and/or he thinks sex will bring him peace. If we happened to have good chemistry and he had been a part of my life as a caring force for a period of time - perhaps I would, but as you explaine…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:05 PM
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OP’s original post does not specifically argue the Justin Bieber case - which I am admittedly not following. He does not specify defamation cases or social media only reports - he threw in an article about it on a comment I responded to, but I’m responding to his message as a whole. We aren’t dehumanizing men. We just don’t want to get sexually assaulted or raped anymore. When it does happen, we don’t want to be blamed or sued. Essentially making it easier to punish women who accuse men is not r…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 05:13 PM
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The difference is criminal vs civil cases. I don’t know if you are in US (I can’t speak to other countries). You can’t be “convicted” of a civil lawsuit. Just “liable”. Being held liable is a much lower bar than criminal. Criminal requires “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Yes, it is possible a person is not found criminally guilty. But they can then turn around and attempt to hold the person accusing them civilly liable. The burden of proof isn’t as great and if they can prove the allegation hurt th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:59 PM
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You’re arguing that she should be criminally liable not civilly which is not the focus of OP. He is arguing for civil suing. Criminal liability is “beyond a reasonable doubt” - I would agree if a man can prove a woman lied beyond a reasonable doubt - then punishment should follow. Civil liability is a much lower bar. Individuals are found not guilty of criminal cases all the time and later sued civilly and are found liable. So if I can’t prove a man raped me to the level of him being found crimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:54 PM
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Exactly 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:51 PM
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Echoing commenter below - an opinion isn’t being sacrificed to society. Women being raped at higher numbers and their attackers going free is a detriment to society. I’m really tired of all these arguments on Reddit claiming men get the crap end of the stick in society. You realize women had to fight for every right we have, yes? It’s still legal in many states to rape your wife. Or how men shouldn’t be on the hook for child support if they don’t wanna pay cause they can’t force abortions on wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:50 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:46 PM
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Yes - if it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Which is not the standard in civil suing cases. Edit: if a person is not found criminally guilty of a crime, he/she in some cases can still be held civilly liable. It’s a lower standard of “guilt”. Women should not be sued because they were SA/raped, filed a police report, but it couldn’t be held up in court (not because the man was innocent but because beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar). Then the man decides to sue her for false accusat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:42 PM
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OP you make no mention of police reports in your initial argument. Nor specifically do I see mention of social media only claims. Maybe you should edit if it’s not your actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:41 PM
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Bullshit. This is just an argument to let men get off with SA/rape at a higher rate. I can get a medical exam and file a police report but if he claims it was consensual.. how do I prove otherwise? Then I get sued on top of this? No women will ever come forward and men will have free rein to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:11 PM
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It’s not about that - and I believe you misunderstood my point. I’m not saying women are less likely to be believed because of false allegations - it’s just throughout history it’s been “boys will be boys”, “you shouldn’t have worn that”, “you shouldn’t have been intoxicated”, etc. Men need to face consequences for SA/rape. They already don’t on a large scale. Not facing consequences puts other women - and sometimes children - at risk. It benefits society for women to come forward because then w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:09 PM
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She’s pointing out the irony in your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:02 PM
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I’ll help - she’s pointing out that incels and red pillers reduce men to statistics all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:58 PM
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🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:57 PM
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Because it deters women who have been raped or assaulted from reporting. It’s already daunting, embarrassing - and hard to prove. But now if I can’t prove it happened I can be sued for defamation on top of that? So reporting a rape is unlikely to get the guy prosecuted AND I’m gonna wind up in financial ruin? No. I feel for men who are falsely accused but idk what the right answer is. This isn’t it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:56 PM
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BS you can be both dominating and safe. No one wants cheaters who fight with you as per OP’s definition. Can’t believe I’m getting downvoted for saying women enjoy sex more with men they feel safe with. Like how is this news?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 07:39 PM
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Believe what you want. You can’t base what “most women” do on Reddit. I talk to my girlfriends regularly about sex with their husbands and - barring medical issues/babies - they are all having regular sex with their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 07:38 PM
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How does he show me he’s safe? Here are some examples: been together 11 years and haven’t felt second to any other woman, never needed to be concerned he cheated, he’s never threatened me, he’s never forced me into doing anything I’m not comfortable with, he is an active husband (supports us, does his part with our home and life responsibilities), takes care of me when sick, active father, is there for me when I need it, etc. Having been in unsafe relationships in the past, it really is a stark …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 08:45 PM
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Women have no problem with the right objectification in many other contexts. Being objectified by your trusted partner in the bedroom is hot. We like to feel attractive and like you lose your minds over us. There’s a balance between respecting us as your partner outside of the bedroom and lusting after us in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 08:18 PM
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Why would I be with a man who would view it that way? I certainly don’t view my husband that way and he is my safe place. It’s ok if he had partners he was more physically attracted to in the past as long as he is also attracted to me, sees me as a caretaker, good wife, good mother, someone he wants by his side at all times. It is saying the same thing but the meaning is completely different. I’m clearly more valuable to him than those past women. I don’t see him as the boring choice I’m not att…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:25 PM
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It does indeed make an environment for fulfilling, mutually enjoyable sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:19 PM
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I disagree - go look at all the mom memes about their husbands being sexy because they’ve done the vacuuming or made dinner or done anything childcare related. I find guys who are caring and nurturing to be sexy more so than asshole Chads. Of course I do have to also be attracted to them, it’s not enough alone. But it’s an intersection between both.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:16 PM
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I disagree. My husband is my safe space and he was not a backup plan. I wanted a man to do life with and would be a good husband/father. I’d never have traded him for a risky choice. And I like to fuck him so that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:04 PM
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From a woman’s perspective - it was life changing to meet a guy who treats me well, wanted to do life with me, and shows up for me and our family everyday. Having guys desire me for sex (I’m average 5.5/6 out of 10) was pretty standard (not bragging, it’s not that hard). But finding a man who valued me for more than my body, that was amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:01 PM
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Agree - safe all the way. Far more attractive to me than some guy who would abuse me/cheat on me. My husband treating me as his equal partner is a huge part of my attraction to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:57 PM
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Perfect answer - be my safe space but let’s have fun in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:53 PM
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What? If I read erotica that’s also not cheating in our relationship because I’m not interacting with another person. I don’t know what you are debating with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:09 PM
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I agree with this. My husband and I also have an agreement between what is and what isn’t cheating in terms of porn. Videos that he cannot interact with, are fine in my view. We have a good sex life and it’s never impacted us. Webcam/OF are considered cheating to me because the man is interacting with another person and/or following a specific person who takes requests. I had a friend whose bf cheated on her with webcam girls - paid their rent and everything behind her back. I have a strict vide…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:54 PM
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I agree with this, no problem discussing trying new things in bed. But if the answer is no, it should be respected and left at no. Agree that when a partner forces you or coerces you, it’s more about their character than porn. My ex was a horrible person and did this type of thing. I don’t blame porn. I blame him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:34 PM
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What if they find out later in the pregnancy she’s pregnant? What if she doesn’t tell the man till farther along? What if the man knows but then changes his mind and lies and says he didn’t know? Too many options. 2 & 3 - why are abortions increasing a goal we should be seeking? If more men refuse to support the children they father - after, in most cases, refusing to use effective contraception - that will increase killing of babies in utero. We don’t have unfettered access to abortion in the U…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:05 PM
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No, I do not support this. For the following reasons: What about if men change their mind during the course of a pregnancy or a child’s life? Suddenly it’s all on the women. If it’s a single parent situation, it was already predominantly on the woman financially, physically, emotionally and the man was only on the hook for some financial support. Men already have the easy path to parenthood. Now you want it all on us. When does the man get to decide he wants out? Can my husband, who planned our …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 06:07 PM
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Agree - neither me nor my husband wanted a virgin because we wanted to be having sex. At 25 and 27 (our age at meeting), if either of us were virgins, it would’ve been because we were waiting for marriage. But neither of us did one night stands or was looking for casual sex and had a similar number of past partners. We’re married now. People shouldn’t get so hung up on body counts and focus more on compatibility on a relational and sexual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:39 PM
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I’m a 6/10 (maybe 5.5) objectively and no man was spending anywhere near that on dates or my lifestyle. I didn’t want him to either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:20 PM
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Sorry I wrote an essay…I didn’t mean to ramble. 🫣 if they aren’t keen on commitment, then be up front. If the woman is looking for commitment, they’re not compatible. It’s not moral to pretend otherwise for access to sex. I think dating non exclusively is a good thing until you find someone you want to be more serious about. I did that, just didn’t have sex. But agree on the men’s side if men are getting it elsewhere they may be more okay with waiting on a girl they like. I don’t understand why …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:36 PM
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Many men also don’t know what they want. Look at all the “situationships” that pop up. Men don’t know what they want and drag their feet on commitment. Or maybe they know exactly what they want (not her) and they aren’t being transparent about that. Both genders don’t know what they want at times. I am rather surprised to learn you are married AND you waited with your wife considering your earlier comments. I believe you of course - but a lot of your comments are so sex focused and not relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:48 PM
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You want a woman who fakes compatibility? Yeah, super smart for a long term relationship, that won’t fall apart s/. If that makes you laugh out loud - you’re not relationship material. I’m not allowing a man to penetrate me who I don’t believe has genuine interest/respect for me. Granted I definitely fell for guys pretending in my history when I was very young, but when I got older I was much more careful. I am not confusing comfort with desire. I very much desire my husband. Not to be vulgar bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 01:41 PM
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The women who do this aren’t likely wasting time going out with you if they aren’t interested. They are trying to figure out if you are compatible. Why go out with you when they could be with friends or home with their dog? Ghosting is shitty behavior she should tell you she’s not interested. “Hoping a separate dude comes around to commit to them” - well if they want commitment and you want casual sex, then yeah they will choose the man offering that. Relationships are built on trust, compatibil…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 12:06 PM
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Agree. Or something similar. I am specifically talking about women who are clear on wanting a relationship - man pretends till he gets sex, then dumps her. I had this happen. Dated me for 3 months, I slept with him, he dumped me two weeks later. We didn’t fight or anything he just decided he didn’t want a gf but then had a gf another gf a month later. And before you say I suck at sex and he decided to leave, I don’t. He kept coming back trying for sex. Edited cause I saw your edit: it’s still ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:39 AM
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/sexual-abuse “sexual abuse, in criminal law, any act of sexual contact that a person suffers, submits to, participates in, or performs as a result of force or violence, threats, fear, or deception or without having legally consented to the act.“ What im describing is deception. It is unlikely prosecutable, personally I would never seek legal support for such a situation, but it is abusive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:37 AM
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See my comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:08 AM
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It is entitlement. How do you not see this? You poor thing investing time/money in a woman you might be interested in an ltr with. That’s dating. You know what is a thousand times worse than that? Allowing a man to use you for your body when they aren’t actually interested in more from you. Allowing a man - who doesn’t care for or respect you - to use you for his pleasure is a million times worse than you wasting some time and money on dates. I never gave a man my body on a first date. I wasn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:06 AM
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Sometimes casual sex can lead to a long term partner - but still it is moral to be up front that you want to be casual and see how it goes No, of course not every married couple started with the intention of spending their life together. If both partners are comfortable with having sex outside of commitment, no problem. The problem is when men pretend to care or give the appearance of a relationship situation when they are being purposely misleading.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:54 AM
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I agree with most of this but have to point out that a man spending time/money on dates with a woman who then decides she isn’t interested in him long term and doesn’t want to have sex (what you call a scam) is in no way comparable to a woman who gets used for sex because a guy feigns caring. Violating someone’s body is way more serious than spending some time and money on someone. This is my big problem with red pill. They equate getting used for dates (most of us are just trying to see if we l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:47 AM
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Why would we go out with you again if we had no interest in sex with you? We aren’t trying to get into an ltr where we aren’t attracted. Women like sex too. This isn’t 50 years ago - most women can support themselves and buy their own food. We don’t need you. Unless you have gold to dig you don’t need to worry about this. Redpill wants women with low n counts but want easy access to sex - catch 22 for us. You want a hookup or you want to hookup while deciding if you like her for an ltr (situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:33 AM
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If she doesn’t like that, you aren’t on the same page. Can we all stop pretending that feigning interest and care for a woman to get access to her body isn’t sexual abuse? You’re a shit person if you do this. Being honest “doesn’t work”? If the definition of “work” is getting access to her body under false pretenses, then kindly rethink your approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:28 AM
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Exactly why don’t men get this? I’m not pursuing an ltr with you if I don’t have an attraction. Women like sex too. Sorry I want proof you’re interested in more and aren’t going to violate me and leave. Such a tragedy that they have to wait to get the most intimate act 🙄. These men aren’t worth relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:22 AM
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Because she doesn’t want to end up used by a man pretending to be interested in her long term or pretending to care about her. If you want a hookup or you want to hookup while deciding if you like her enough for an ltr, then be up front about it. A woman making you wait is only trying to protect herself from feeling violated or letting a man use her body. I made guys wait before I got married and turned down men who wanted sex before exclusivity. I went two years without sex (with the exception …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:16 AM
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I very much agree that being up front is the way to go. Even if it leads to some getting the “ick” and your losing out on a casual partner. Pretending to be interested in more or making a woman think you care about her when you’re just looking to get access to her body is sexual abuse. It leaves us violated. At least if we choose a hookup, we know what it is and choose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:06 AM
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Let’s stop pretending that men feigning relationship interest and care for a woman to get sex isn’t sexual abuse. It leaves her feeling used, emotionally hurt, stupid, and physically violated. At least when she looks for hookups/understands what is up with the interaction (I.e. a hookup) then she participates willingly with that understanding. Men who pretend to respect/care for a woman to get access to her body aren’t excusable. I don’t care if you can’t get easy access to sex while other men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:02 AM
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I disagree, men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Women are often looking for commitment instead of sleeping around. Finding a relationship should be easier than going through the steps to have multiple casual sex opportunities. When I was dating, <25 years old, a lot of the guys I met online were only looking for casual sex. No interest in any commitment even though I put no hookups on my profile so I have no idea why they wasted their time/money. I had sex once (with an ex I’d already had …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 04:44 AM
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Alright fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 10:56 PM
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I could throw your argument back at you in reverse. Women aren’t slaves to rigid standards either. Plenty of men lose sexual interest in their female partners if they gain weight, get old, have stretch marks after babies, have saggy boobs after breastfeeding, etc. Men lose sexual interest in the women they marry too which leads to dead bedrooms. You should see how many posts there are on mom subreddits of how they don’t feel as attractive anymore after kids and as they age and their husbands don…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:27 PM
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Relationships break down for a variety of factors. And no, I don’t agree with your statement. People usually marry another person of similar attractiveness and status. Sure there are exceptions but by and large what I said is true. Just look around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:13 PM
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Okay, if hypergamy is also across - why is this bad? If I’m average in looks, employment, intelligence, and education - why is it wrong to want similar in a partner? I get women being gold diggers, trading looks for being a kept woman is controversial. If your argument isn’t that hypergamy is wrong, but rather that it’s real - okay. But I’m not worthy of less than what I offer a man because I’m not super model hot. Men are more likely to date a woman with good looks who isn’t as successful as th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:08 PM
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I agree people from both genders are with assholes. But incels and assholes are different. Women hating and feeling entitled to us/our bodies are scary concepts. People are with partners not good for them for a variety of reasons. For example, the worst partner I was with was of average looks and below average in education and employment. He was downright abusive. I was with him out of low self esteem, prior relationship trauma, and grief (lost a friend fell into an asshole). Being shy or unattr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:04 PM
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Exactly…Or that we settled for them and they are simps. Sometimes Reddit drives me nuts but then I remember my interactions with real humans and remember that Reddit isn’t reflective of real humans/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:07 AM
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This is delusional. Men in relationships with women they love and are attracted to (whether average or above) aren’t going to leave just because they have to spend a dime. Finances ebb and flow in life - sometimes one partner pulls more weight. You don’t get to decide where average women stand or our value. Most stable employed men are married and have sex with their wives. But employed men do not “deserve” anything other than their paycheck. Relationships are deeper than that. What about employ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:54 AM
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Yes, I keep hearing this from men on Reddit. All the divorces ive seen, it has not been the case that the man was financially ruined. More often the woman was (one of my coworkers divorced her much older husband and he got 2 houses and she wound up in a small apartment with primary custody of their three kids. Another still lives with her mom with sole custody of their kid while he drags out the divorce for 5 years living in their house). Most though were fairly equal. I’m sure there’s some trut…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:13 AM
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“Large minority”….interesting word choice. You do realize women like sex right? Or do when the man isn’t selfish and is a good communicator for what the woman wants in bed. Dead bedrooms are complicated and it’s not always because the woman doesn’t want sex. There are often disabilities involved, like one partner can’t physically have sex in the normal way. Women aren’t going into marriage with the hopes they will stop being sexually satisfied. My friends and I are all having sex with (and blowi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:06 AM
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Maybe make a post? You could take a poll. Since you don’t trust my word, ThatBitchA, or the house on Mars one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:57 AM
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I agree that by date 3-5, a woman who is interested sexually is probably doing something with you even if it isn’t oral or sex. My husband and I kissed on date 2..on subsequent dates we hit 2nd base. I’d also hold his hand or arm while we were out and give him compliments on his smell and arms. I did similarly with other guys I met online, I just didn’t sleep with them because they either made it clear that’s all they wanted, we weren’t compatible, or they ghosted because I was taking too long I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:46 AM
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Were you born in 1988? Cause if so, Hi! We are the same age. I am just as modern as you. If you aren’t having luck with gen z…maybe date a fellow millennial.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:33 AM
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Agree to disagree then. You’re only hurting yourself if you don’t accept the incel mindset will repel women. It’ll just be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:31 AM
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This whole comment is immature. Women want a partner who can contribute more or less equally to a relationship. Not just financially, but someone who is an active father, does housework, fixes things, steps up when their sick - in general is a partner. I don’t want a man who isn’t stable/employed/educated/etc. because I’m not your mommy. I want a partner I can raise children with, not be the sole provider, caretaker of our children, and caretaker of my man. I’d be on board with a stay at home da…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:29 AM
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You literally responded to my initial post saying that what I was describing IS hypergamy and then wrote another comment saying if I’m average looking than I can’t participate in hypergamy…so which is it? Am I participating or not? Also if average women can’t participate in hypergamy, than it’s not a wide spread problem and negates the original topic. Statistically speaking below average women and average women make up 75% of women. You sound more red pill than blue pill with this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:46 PM
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Because men like that only care about looks. There are women like that too. My comment is that this isn’t a problem in most situations…women arent hell bent on dating “up”. We want a stable guy who can support a family with us that we don’t have to support and raise as a man child. Hard stop. Guys should aim to be that guy. So because I’m average looking I have to have a job instead of being a pretty sex slave to some old dude with money?! Oh no….
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:32 PM
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This is ridiculous. I made my husband wait a month (and would’ve been longer had our relationship progressed slower) and 11 years later I can’t keep my hands off him. People have more self control for their base desires and want to hold off to find out if you’re a person worth giving their body to or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:26 PM
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Spot on, no notes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:14 PM
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Sharing a body IS a major deal. You got that part correct - and when I was dating, if I was going to give access to my body (oral/piv) the guy needed to show that they were serious about me, cared for me, wanted the same thing as me, was attractive to me, etc….Sex isn’t always just about how attracted you are to someone. I didn’t have sex with a bunch of guys I was attracted to because they were red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:09 PM
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I mean I haven’t dated in over a decade but I did online dating when I did. I went out with guys I thought I might like, but I didn’t always like. I went out with lots of guys it turned out I didn’t like. That’s the whole point of dating…to see if you like someone. Not drop panties on the first date. Edited to add: I was looking for a relationship and only wanted to have sex with a man who cared for me. I had only had sex once (meet up with an ex) in the last two years before I met my husband. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:56 PM
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I applaud you for identifying as a recovering incel. Being rejected certainly is not a good feeling and I’m sorry you are hurt by it. But the argument I was responding to from another user was asserting that being an incel isn’t a turn off for women - it has all to do with looks. This is not true. Women value safety from men - I can tell you that incel thinking does not make us feel safe or valued. Good luck in recovery, it can only increase your luck with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:49 PM
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Just another woman voting that being an incel is absolutely a woman repellent. Plenty of unattractive men are married and are having sex - I know several! - they just aren’t married to a hot Stacy. Edited to add: you can’t tell women that we are delusional about what we go for. We kinda have a better grasp on that especially if you haven’t had many relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:36 PM
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Just here to point out that many of the average looking “nice guys” - are not in fact nice guys. They just think they are. They tend to be controlling, misogynistic, etc. We don’t all pick the hot guy who abuses us. Most of us pick the perfectly average guy who abuses us who pretends to love or care for us. Men fall for women who treat them poorly as well. Luckily I did eventually find a truly nice guy, my husband. He’s not a simp I settled for and we def don’t have a dead bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:32 PM
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Exactly, my husband and I make roughly the same. We have similar assets and level of education. We’d probably be rated the same attractiveness wise on a scale 1-10…most of my friends are the same with their spouses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:19 PM
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Before I got married I was pretty adamant about all partners using condoms at all times. I had one partner who downright refused to but he’d been tested and I made sure to take the pill regularly. My husband and agreed to give up condoms after our wedding (we were using pill + condoms to prevent pregnancy but we were exclusive obvi) but we stopped three months before our wedding because we ran out. Figured it was close enough 🤣.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:17 PM
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For the record, your date examples don’t sound low effort at all. Museum date, planetarium…please give these “appetizers in a bar men” some ideas. Low cost doesn’t equal low effort. Some of my fav dates with my husband were surprise ice skating night, going pumpkin picking, going to outdoor festival/fireworks, etc. Heck he even proposed while apple picking. I loved that the dates were unique and felt special to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:48 PM
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Sure they are, look in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:30 PM
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Then we are more on the same page than I originally thought - but id like to point out that the OP of this post did include a section about “women who don’t have sex on a first date” and has been arguing through the comments that a woman giving men sex on a first date is the only way to be sure she’s genuinely attracted and is the best sign for a successful relationship. It’s not, and I don’t even agree that’s what men who are focused on immediate sex are worried about. It’s not about the succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:15 PM
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If she has a 30-60 day rules she probably doesn’t have sex on a first date. I never had sex on a first date. Even if a woman used to have sex on a first date, if that made her feel used or ashamed - she may change that behavior. Doesn’t make her uninterested or not attracted to you. Let’s say I did make a habit of sex on a first date - then yes, it is possible a man that I had sex with on a first date might be excluded from those other shows of affection. Because if I’m not concerned with him pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 05:36 PM
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Who said “unrequited effort”?! Of course you should expect effort in return from a woman you’re seeing! I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise - however, the ONLY “effort” you’re interested in is her body. You pay for/plan dates and then expect sex right away. What if a woman doesn’t want to have sex on the first date (or for the first 30-60 days) but she offers to treat you on the second date, or she plans something fun for you two, or she texts/calls often and asks how your day was, or she holds y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:52 PM
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Says something about me? The vast majority did not get the sex they were after and the ones that did put in lots of time/effort. And I only wound up around 1 guy with that many bodies. See there you go with the Catch 22 and blaming women when men are obsessed with the casual sex scene and see relationships as a consolation prize. The vast majority of men aren’t LTR material. They don’t value relationships (based on Reddit they are resentful if they participate at all), don’t see women as people,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:17 PM
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I think you need to look harder at men’s comments in this sub. Lots of talk about how they want women to drop panties asap and they won’t believe in their interest if they are not fucking first date. You can’t simultaneously have women who are virginal/very low body count and also have women who are providing easy sex. It’s a catch 22. Stop pretending it isn’t. We aren’t falling on the sword so you can use us as a hole. Also, most men would not prefer an ltr. Again look across this sub and redpi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:04 PM
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Yes, but in the meantime they are still contagious. You could come out clean on a test but still be a risk to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 05:10 AM
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I don’t believe that you are not angry or jealous. You do have inherent worth, we all do, but you can’t expect love and intimacy with how you view women/partners. Of course you should choose a woman who likes you but you’re going about it poorly. I honestly don’t understand how any woman would want to interact with you in anyway based on your posts I’ve read. Again, I’m not trying to be mean - I hope you grow as a person in social relationships and find value and meaning in relationships outside…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:18 AM
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Yes - but slut shaming also makes an impact on casual sex. Men want long term partners with low body counts. Men also want casual sex from lots of women. This is a catch 22! Are some of us supposed to fall on the sword of having casual sex with many men to then accept we will never be wife material? If men slut shamed less than more casual sex would be available because women would just have sex when they wanted and with who they wanted - just like men! But instead we tamp down our desires so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:13 AM
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Slut shaming is not irrelevant. More men (Chads and otherwise) would get casual sex if slut shaming wasn’t a thing. I offer myself as an example. I had a low number of sexual partners before I met my husband - but a very high sex drive. I went years without sex despite very much wanting it. I knew if I had casual sex with lots of partners, it would limit my options for an ltr as men would consider me used and easy (not wife material). Therefore, I limited myself. Chads getting hookups and averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:09 AM
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I know you are joking but just fyi - some STIs can be undetectable for a time before they become detectable. I think this is what the commenter meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:56 AM
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Looks threshold for Fwb? The average abusive fwb - he was in my friend group for years. He supported me through the my ex bf who took my vCard cheating on me and through our mutual friend passing away. He was less physically attractive than my husband but I was attracted to him and mistakenly believed he loved/cared for me though he never wanted to be official. This was a very complicated emotional mess and not at all based on a looks threshold. There were feelings here, low self worth, and grie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:27 AM
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Never said they were! Glad we are on the same page!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:06 AM
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You are of course within your rights to decide who would be good/bad for a relationship for you. I’ve just read many of your posts and you are either a troll - or delusional. I don’t believe that you’ve had any of the experiences with women that you claim. You don’t sound as if you’ve ever even met a woman nor do you view us as human. I recognize this sounds mean - but I honestly don’t mean it to. I think you’re in a very sad place (if not a troll) and are angry at women and more attractive men …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:04 AM
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I’m open to answering your two follow- up questions but I’m not sure I can give you the answers you’re looking for as my sexual history doesn’t line up well with your questions. Define quickly? The quickest (guy I knew for the least amount of time before sex) was my husband. I had sex with him after dating for one month (not sure number of dates, this was over a decade ago). I had sex with him before knowing him an extended time because he was all green flags and I hadn’t had sex in over a year …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:55 AM
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I haven’t had sex with a lot of guys that were available to me who I wanted to have sex with. My reasons had to do with a mix of them, me, and society (viewing women as sluts). It was never physical attraction alone. It was an intersection of different points and the guys didn’t always do something wrong or have the wrong look.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:22 AM
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You’re clearly dating for sex alone and not to get to know a woman as a person to find a partner. You had to put time and effort in? Oh the humanity! Seriously though, you’ll be a crappy husband and father if you expect to get by with low effort in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:19 AM
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I’m going to try and reframe this one. People have sex with one another for more complicated reasons than looks alone. Personally, I never had sex on a first date - but let’s pretend I did engage in first date sex on occasion. Now, I meet Sal and Sal is extremely physically attractive to me. But maybe he says something on the date that makes me self-conscious or he comes off aggressive and I don’t feel fully safe with him. These things may not be deal breakers and I may want to keep seeing him (…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:12 AM
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Just weighing in here to say I find the pay for date assumption very illogical. I always offered to split. I didn’t think a guy was uninterested if he took me up on it unless there were other accompanying behaviors. It also never crossed my mind to wonder if he paid for other women but not for me. Dating is expensive, some men may have gotten used in the past and be wary, etc. Men paying for dates also makes them think they are entitled to getting physical cause they bought me an appetizer in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:54 AM
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Hottest answer on here. Agree fully. No notes. Waited with my husband - I fuck him every chance I get 11 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:43 AM
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“This isn’t about entitlement” - yes it is. I don’t think you know the meaning of the word. Women aren’t required to offer all men equality with access to their bodies. We aren’t even required to offer all guys we like the same treatment. Relationships and intimacy are way more complicated than this hyper focus on looks/access to sex/past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:40 AM
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I don’t understand the point you are making because you’re not making the point you think you are. Yes, abortion is okay if the woman wants it. A man cannot prevent it from happening because it’s not their body. If pregnancy happens and the man and woman agree on abortion, abortion is okay. If pregnancy happens, woman does not want an abortion but man does - man cannot force abortion. Not his body, not his choice. This is just biology, men don’t get pregnant (take it up with God or nature). Yes,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:04 AM
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No, she should not. I don’t think you intended to respond to me as this was not the topic of conversation. Pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum are extremely physically and emotionally challenging times in women’s lives. If you haven’t lived it, you can’t understand it. It can also be a significant risk to the health of the woman. A man should not be able to force a woman to carry to term. Plus if a woman doesn’t want the child, is the father prepared to take full custody at birth (with mother …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:40 AM
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I’d change your title to “men of all ages enjoy interacting with/looking at women between 18-30 because they are in their physical prime”. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the attractiveness of women in a certain age range. But power dynamics are absolutely a thing. Older men (and women) do groom younger individuals who have not yet secured themselves financially or educationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:40 AM
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K come talk to me when NICU bills are covered. When our veterans aren’t homeless and receiving second rate healthcare. Until then men can pay for their own paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:37 AM
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Yes, in general, this is the US approach to taxes. But I maintain that in the US - paternity test coverage is not the priority. We are charged for pregnancy appointments, hospital bills, NICU etc. There is no paid leave. I’m sorry but we have so many better priorities for tax dollars in terms of reproduction. From contraception to supporting new births. This paternity thing really should be taken care of by the participating parties in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:29 AM
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Tax dollars will benefit far more by providing contraception. If you haven’t spent much time in the US - we don’t take lightly to how our tax dollars are spent, see our failing health system and how it bankrupts us! We held a whole revolution against Britain as colonies due to taxation. We have a lot of priorities in the US for taxes being cut and how our tax dollars are spent. This isn’t the hill to be fighting for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:22 AM
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Just checking for clarity. Men should not have to pay child support for children that are not biologically theirs - with the exception of situations where they adopted a non-biological child. However, men should have to financially support children that they sired (outside of a sperm donation situation) if they are biologically theirs. They don’t get to just decide they don’t want to - which is a constant argument on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:19 AM
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Well because in the US, the govt does not pay for birth control or condoms or anything. I’d rather see tax dollars go towards that than paternity tests. Nothing against paternity tests but the parties wanting them should pay. They engaged in the deed and are looking for a specific outcome. My tax dollars can go elsewhere thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:10 AM
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Did you mean to say that “even when paternity is disproven, men still have to pay child support”? Because what you wrote sounds like you’re saying that a man, who is found to be the biological father by a court provided test, is required to pay child support. Of course he is, that’s his kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:05 AM
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You’re not giving anyone a taste of their own medicine. You’re just going to wind up sexless and alone with this outlook. Individuals of both genders are attracted to certain individuals and not to others. Sexual attraction is complicated and based on many factors. People can’t help who they are attracted to. Before I met my husband, there was a guy who was into me. Objectively, he’s as good looking as my husband. Like if random people rated them both - they’d probably be rated about the same. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:18 PM
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This is all sad. You need some counseling to understand why you don’t see women as people. But rather as sex parts of varying levels of attractiveness. No one is gonna want a part of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:21 AM
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Sounds like a cop out to excuse hiding your intentions to get more sex. But you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:31 PM
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Disagree - go hang out in “waiting to wed”. Men don’t want to share but they also don’t always take steps to “lock her down”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:14 AM
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“Have sex with them while pretending to be interested in commitment” - can we please acknowledge this is sexual abuse? You’re lying/manipulating to use someone’s body. You’d think it is financial abuse if a woman strung a man along using him for his money, wouldn’t you? Of course! When males/females want commitment is different from person to person. Personally I always wanted commitment when younger but found most males did not. Too busy sowing wild oats and racking up bedpost numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:12 AM
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This isn’t as groundbreaking as you’re making it out to be. Men have always been the gatekeepers of relationships. They don’t put effort or commitment into women they just want hookups with and when they do, it’s to be intentionally manipulative to get the outcome they desire (sex). For the record, we don’t want to be the mid-Betty you’re getting your body count up with. Be up front that that’s who we are to you so we can make informed decisions. I often hear that being the stable guy women “set…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:53 AM
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I very much appreciate (and agree with) your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:28 AM
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Effective for what outcome? My earlier point stands. If by “effective” you mean more women will sleep with you even if some may be misled - then yup. If by “effective” you mean finding a woman on the same page as you without using/misleading anyone - then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:17 AM
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I still dont think you’d turn off women who are open to casual by stating that is your intention. And the term “better approach” - is open to interpretation based on hoped for outcomes. If not being upfront is the “better approach” because some women will think you’re genuinely interested when you aren’t and sleep with you, then I guess it is. But if “better approach” is treating others respectfully - then your honesty is your path.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:00 AM
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Correct, honesty isn’t the issue. You should be honest about what you’re looking for. What your friends are saying doesn’t even make sense…women open to casual would be turned off by your stating that you want casual? That’s like saying if I want spaghetti tonight and you tell me you’re making spaghetti I would then be turned off by you making me spaghetti?! It sounds like what your friends are actually advising is to not be up front about your lack of interest in any kind of commitment in order…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:22 AM
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