MsLilith Archive

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1	Do some RPillers believe that women and society intentionally lie to trap men as BB? Do you think TRP pushes some people to become overly paranoid ? What do you think about conspiracy theories like these ? Yes. I don't know how they don't see it. The more fearful and paranoid they become the more "beta" they become as well. It makes me giggle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/15 07:11 PM
2	BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved? Yep, that was the point, glad it didn't go over your head or anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/15 03:11 PM
5	BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved? Oh ok, glad that's cleared up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/15 11:23 PM
9	BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved? I think it has more to do with intent. Generalizations are fine, but choosing the worst possible minority traits of any group, then applying it to the whole group as an inherent trait, and THEN building a philosophy off of that perspective to try and keep that group (any group, male / female, white/black, Christian/Atheist, conservative/liberal etc) in a secondary or inferior position, or to justify treating them as secondary or inferior is wrong for precisely that reason. The intent for buildin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/15 09:03 PM
2	If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too? I.E. All men who are or used to be players are capable of leaving a LTR if he is bored and they are also capable of not wanting to put in effort to make the relationship work. I think that's a useful AMALT warning for women who date player types. All people are capable of leaving relationships if unfulfilled, or giving way less than the other party. It has nothing to do with players of either gender. And yes, it's certainly worth remembering that the other party in any LTR is their own person, c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/15 01:11 AM
1	If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too? I see your example but is it all men are like that or all players? Even then, I've dated men who had previously had literal herem type situations, and they were faithful so it's all just stereotyping. It's not the severity of the outcome being compared, but the prevention of the outcome by being prepared and not being complacent that's being compared. But you're assuming a worst case outcome to start with. That's fine if you admit that to yourself, and accept how that will skew your perception. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/15 12:10 AM
1	If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too? Also, "dogs" is useless. How so? All women are immature cunts and all men are dogs are expressing the same thing. Are you familiar with the warning "All guns are loaded"? Yes, the difference is people were not created (or did not evolve) with the sole purpose of killing. People can be dangerous, they are not inherently dangerous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/15 11:48 PM
4	[Debate] Women of PPD, how does it feel to be told that you you 'secretly' think/feel/behave in ways because of X by men? do you feel that these feelings are entirely justified or that there is some truth? Not entirely justified, no, not even close. But I do think that people are shaped by their experiences. If your mom was a gold digging whore, or your first love blew that other guy behind your back, while you were head over heels and faithful, then yea, you aren't going to view women as Disney Princesses anymore. I get that. It doesn't mean that the polar opposite view is correct either though. A key tenet of RP …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/15 10:26 PM
2	If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too? AWALT is just the same as when chicks might say "ugh, all men are dogs" when venting to their friends. I wouldn't build a philosophy off of that sentiment. Neither statement is correct, or objective and should not be used as a general rule of thumb.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/15 10:06 PM
1	What do you think about playing hard to get? No, I think it's pretty lame to play games like that. We either like each other or we don't. I'm a chick, and I only played those silly games in school. If a guy I'm hitting it off with starts playing "hard to get" or any of those games, I just end it because I figure he's either immature or a tool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/15 10:01 PM
5	A question for the blue pillers What is it exactly that men owe women? Uh...nothing. What is it exactly that women are entitled to get from men? Uh...nothing. People should treat the people they coexist with in society with a base level of equality in order for society as a whole to function well. So people should not be dicks to each other, regardless of gender.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/15 04:27 PM
2	Lying by Omission #2 Not ok. Someone who cheats that regularly and on "wives" not just some gf is a risk to trust or marry. Serial cheating on spouses definitely needs to be disclosed. Not ok. Can you imagine just happening to discover your long term SO or spouse killed someone? ...And hid it?No one wants to be surprised with having to live through some morbid "Lifetime" movie. Not ok. Granted it wasn't illegal, she doesn't have a record, but I can't imagine anyone being ok with just being surprised with that info d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/15 01:56 PM
1	Poll: who has more extroverts? ENTP. It's interesting to read up on, I'd never taken one of these before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/15 05:20 PM
1	The NAWALT Irrelevance I think that's some special male hamstering up there	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/15 06:55 AM
1	The Golden Rule is stupid and following it will make the people around you miserable. It's especially bad for relationships. I agree. I'm not RP, or LaVeyan. I am a Satanist, but I take the theistic approach with my beliefs. I do agree with much of the LaVeyan philosophy though. Those aspects of RP, the self reliance, and responsibility, as well as the self improvement are all clearly beneficial. It's when RP crosses over into manipulation/abuse/bigotry that I think it starts to veer away from it's similarities to the Satanic philosophy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/15 06:44 PM
3	The Golden Rule is stupid and following it will make the people around you miserable. It's especially bad for relationships. Thought I landed in /r/satanism for a sec. Lol interesting. This is one of the few things I find I do agree with LaVey on. Treat people with the respect you require, until/unless they show they are undeserving of it. At that point, they no longer matter. I could see how that could be RP advice. It really just comes down to not letting people disrespect you or your intended good nature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/15 05:54 PM
11	Blue Pill Women, would you identify as the exact opposite of AWALT, as defined by The Red Pill? For some context, let me just say that as someone who subscribes to Red Pill, I don't think of AWALT as a literal expression of the whole female gender; rather a cautionary mindset to protect myself from the ones who "Are Like That", and to filter them out so that I don't get hurt, regardless of how positive or negative their true motives are. So it's like the "all men are dogs" mentality that some women have after they get hurt by a guy? As a woman who disagrees with the Red Pill, would you say…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/15 11:04 PM
0	Do you believe women should be lead by men? I think each gender is honestly too varied to say that either is a better leader than the other. That likely comes down to an individual level. I go for equal partnerships, and we each take the "lead" when we are best suited to. I handle certain emotional and stressful situations more tactfully than my bf, so he sort of heeds my advice in those situations. But, he is better at handling other types of life stresses than I am, so I heed his advice other times. Learning to give and take like that, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/15 06:19 PM
1	Unemployment increases risk of divorce, but not for women What part of "his half" did you not understand? I never said one thing about expecting a man to pay more than that. Or be a "dad" of any sort. If a man wants a stay at home mom/wife, and the woman wants that as well, to raise kids or whatever that's their choice to make, but that's not the default expectation anymore. (It is certainly becoming less of one, I know a few stay at home dads now). Red Pill's "alpha" nonsense makes it seem more important than it actually is now days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/15 05:30 PM
5	Unemployment increases risk of divorce, but not for women Maybe she doesn't want to be his mom. I'd rather date a man that can carry his half of the bills, than some little boy that plays Xbox all day and still expects me to cook and clean after working all day. You can call it materialistic if you choose, but I call it being realistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/15 04:57 PM
1	The Red Pill doesn't advertise. What's your screening strategy? Clearly	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/15 03:36 AM
13	The Red Pill doesn't advertise. What's your screening strategy? Toxic behavior is toxic. Beneficial behavior is beneficial. Does red pill exist without the toxic behavior? For example, say you like women that are active; I biked 10 miles this morning. That doesn't mean that somehow precludes you from thinking I'm a cunt if I walk up and smack some dude in the face, get it? You fucking another chick who also biked 10 miles this morning, does not mean you're a hypocrite for not fucking me. Maybe the difference is the toxic behavior. Apples and oranges dude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/15 07:54 PM
3	If women and men are identical in ability outside of physicality, why are men so much more artistically creative? That goes both ways in modern societies. A famous woman has a bigger pool of likely higher quality men to choose from than me. So, what does that have to do with the subject at hand? Edit: words	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/15 07:39 PM
4	If women and men are identical in ability outside of physicality, why are men so much more artistically creative? Why would they have that need? Nearly all women had to get married, and most didn't have a say in whether they liked their husband. Why differentiate himself when he can easily find a wife, who he could legally fuck whether she liked him or not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/15 07:21 PM
9	If women and men are identical in ability outside of physicality, why are men so much more artistically creative? There was suppression. If your father, the government, the men you date, the people who raise you, all think a woman can not or should not be in the arts, you are not likely to explore or further any natural talents you may or may not have. I'm not sure why you act like it's some "excuse". Despite that, there were still prolific women writers; Mary Shelly, who was like 19 when she wrote Frankenstein, The Bronte Sisters, Silvia Plath, Ann Rice, etc... Edit: also, I believe women don't generally r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/15 05:33 PM
2	In what ways is the red pill LTR similar to or different from conventional Male/female, Dominant/submissive relationships? You do realize I was responding to your "one liner", right? What exactly is your point? That they aren't useful in debate, or this sub? I agree, perhaps you should look into correcting that "captain". Just a suggestion of course, I'm sure you can lead yourself just fine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 07:44 AM
10	In what ways is the red pill LTR similar to or different from conventional Male/female, Dominant/submissive relationships? My point exactly. You just proved the distinction between healthy bdsm and the immaturity (and disrespect) that is TRP. Thank you, you just did a far better job at illustrating the difference than I ever could have, since I'm just a bluepiller and all. Good to see you again "captain".	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 10:11 PM
10	In what ways is the red pill LTR similar to or different from conventional Male/female, Dominant/submissive relationships? Dom's are generally supposed to RESPECT their submissive, not manipulate them or use them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 09:39 PM
0	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? Then don't date those women	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:16 AM
-2	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? I thought you dismissed me? Don't lose frame now "captain".	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:35 PM
-3	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? Lol you came back to respond to me, after falsely accusing me of down voting you. But ok, you can pretend to have the last word and "dismiss" me if it makes you feel like a "Captain" for a moment. Cheers :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:24 PM
1	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? No, if I'm wrong, please correct me. I don't see how I am though. Edit: and I assume you know damn well I'm right, hence the defeatest snark.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:11 PM
4	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? Lol k. Have you been on the receiving end of the acts OP listed?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:11 PM
6	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? I think you won't hold it against me though when I say "people change" is not an excuse a man would emotionally be able to just settle for, even if he logically tries to. I agree. I never advocated settling, I said they should part ways if it will make them happier. I was listing reasons, not excuses. For a comparison to help you empathize, think of it like this, a hypothetical man constantly tried to get a previous gf to marry him, but his current one is aching for it and gets only stonewalling…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 02:08 AM
5	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? I'm sure I didn't say otherwise. No, you said "If sluts accepted commitment, then they wouldn't be sluts". I see your point after your explanation, but it initially looked like you were saying sluts break commitment (by not accepting it). Sometimes (not always) sex without commitment is what you really want though, so I wouldn't deem that settling for less, just getting what I want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 10:18 PM
1	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? What would be your explanation of mechanism then? Assume the person she married does not fall under your point 2(slutshamer). In my opinion, if the relationship is good, and it's not bad experiences or slut shaming that cause it then there could be a few reasons. First off, the acts listed are primarily "rough" or bdsm related acts, not all people will like them (it is considered a kink for a reason), and also those that do enjoy kink, may not always like the same things. For example, I used to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 10:12 PM
13	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? If sluts accepted commitment, then they wouldn't be sluts. I'd be considered a slut by most standards, when I'm single, but I've never once cheated on a boyfriend. These things aren't mutually exclusive, but that thinking is kind of the whole issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 09:31 PM
5	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? I did not down vote you, but k.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 09:17 PM
8	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? Ageed. I wonder if he's volunteered to try the receiving ends of these acts, to you know, "empathize". Weird, how it's always the woman who isn't negotiating enough in their view.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 08:53 PM
1	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? This is true for a very small minority of women with a reputation for slut. Most are sluts because they enjoy it. And because some make them want to have sex, while others, not so much. According to what? How do you define small minority, or know what "most sluts" think? I was actually told by Bluepill earlier that this is a deal breaker. :S Not husband material surely. And? If you read the rest of my post, I make the same statement toward the end. I can only speak for myself, sex is a main part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 08:46 PM
14	Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually? I can't speak for all women, but in my experience if I refuse to do something with a man that I have done before, it's for two reasons, I tried it, didn't enjoy it (or found it painful, degrading etc) and so I do not wish to do it again. Or 2. I like it, but the man in question is up tight, he's called women sluts and shown that he'll view a woman as "less than" if she loses her inhibitions and enjoys her sexuality. If a man has already demonstrated this perception, why would I ever want to do t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 07:46 PM
0	Why should a woman marry early and give away her entire youth to one man if she isn't even sure whether that man is going to be for her during tough times or when she is not young anymore? But, if your world sucks, and you've isolated part of the problem, then not fixing it (in whatever ways you personally can, no one's superman) is a choice. And bitching about things you refuse to fix out of laziness, or feeling overwhelmed seems like "beta" behavior to me Giving up and settling is part of self improvement, and becoming a high SMV male? No, how the fuck did you get this? I said I don't believe the genders will ever be "equal," that has nothing to do with giving up or settling. st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 08:32 AM
8	Why should a woman marry early and give away her entire youth to one man if she isn't even sure whether that man is going to be for her during tough times or when she is not young anymore? I don't. A counter question is how can others expect men to risk divorce rape by marrying without a prenup, or marrying at all really? Marriage is a fucked institution these days, IMO our societies mating culture is extremely dysfunctional and very few people can really win from it. Good parallel. Divorce "rape" is about as rare as a man actually being worthy of being a "captain". So, fixing the system which takes advantage of either party, and ensuring equality would fix this problem for everyo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 12:50 AM
6	Why should a woman marry early and give away her entire youth to one man if she isn't even sure whether that man is going to be for her during tough times or when she is not young anymore? This world is a cold, hard, ugly fucking place and it will never, ever get better no matter how much social "progress" religions etc people devise. Expect the worst or die naive. I agree with you completely. The thing I have a hard time understanding is, if this is true, and I agree it is, then how can you wish women to put themselves in such vulnerable positions? (Even if the risk of the man being able to "upgrade" is small). You wouldn't dare put yourself in such a vulnerable position, not bec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 11:03 PM
2	Is there such a thing as WGTOW? I was in a way for about 2 years. I never thought if it like that, I was just too fucked up from my previous relationship to even think of touching or trusting another man. I finished up my last college courses, found a good paying job, and started building some new friendships, then one day I met a guy and it we clicked. It was just a FWB, but he was sweeter than my ex had been, we got along great, and it was a low key set up so I didn't feel the need to run for the hills. After that ended we'v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 09:30 AM
1	For Women: Do you value "low smv" men? Of course. People are valuable for a number of reasons, the majority of which have nothing to do with SMV. I have male friends, some I've known for years that I've never wanted to date or fuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 09:21 AM
2	Survey: Readers of PPD, what is your age, gender, and number of people you have slept with? 27, female, 14	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 02:14 AM
3	Nagging/Peer Pressure for Sex Yep, totally. (On a side note, I was just illustrating a point, I love his cock, I have no desire to torture it.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/15 06:20 PM
8	Nagging/Peer Pressure for Sex Can't speak for TRP but what I would do is: Quit bitching. Become colder. I wonder if me being cold and distant to my guy will make him all eager for cock and ball torture. He doesn't like the pain and it doesn't turn him on, but if he cares, he'll try it for me and the sake if the relationship, right? I mean especially if I'm being cold to him, that will totally turn him on and get him into an experimental mood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/15 05:47 PM
5	Nagging/Peer Pressure for Sex At any rate you're probably going to need to send the gf to the doctor to see about that pain, a painful reaction to penetration ain't normal. Lol a painful reaction to anal penetration is completely normal, at least until you are experienced with it. You really aren't denying that common fact are you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/15 05:41 PM
4	A Modest Proposition, to Attenuate the Sufferings of the Involuntarily Celebate Men There is no inherent intimacy. Quickies, one night stands, doggy style, none of that leads to intimacy, or very rarely does If your sex life is good enough to be intimate, it's because there is emotion behind it all. I've been having sex for a decade and outside of serious relationships, intimacy isn't really part of sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/15 02:09 AM
16	Rpers, what do you think of this relatively recent study on men and women's behavior with regards to dating, selection, and casual sex? Agreed. I'm a woman. I have conservative friends who waited until marriage, and friends who have totally "slutted" it up. I have kinky friends, poly friends, all of it. Dudes talk shit. Dudes ask about partner count, but it's extremely rare to hear it from female friends (maybe from catty bitches, if you're in high school and they feel like gossiping). I've never slut shamed any of them or been slut shamed by a female, but, I have had a handful of men make derogatory comments about my sexual his…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/15 10:08 PM
2	What is feminism? I'm of course discussing Western feminism, which naturally could give a fuck about women in the third world with actual problems. I tend to agree, if I base my opinion on "internet feminism", which is why I stated that I did not refer to myself as a feminist, to avoid those assumptions. I stated what feminism was started for, which is equality, and why I respect feminism as a philosophy of equality, even if some of it's modern proponents have misunderstood and corrupted the original message. The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 06:46 PM
2	What is feminism? You mean a major issue in the western media? And on the internet, something people in the places most in need of feminism, often don't have much access to (if any)? Yes, some people go overboard with social justice movements, but that does not negate the message. Women are not second class citizens, all people are people, and should be considered equals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 05:47 PM
3	Can men give advice to women on how to attract a high-quality man, or does the "fisherman" analogy work both ways? Actually, yes. I believe I can see your point, so thank you for that. Basically what I'm seeing is this; I answered the question in a normal brief sort of way, and though I mentioned him being dominant in bed, I did not express the importance of him also not being a doormat and all that. True. That might lead a man to believe that him having a backbone is unimportant to me, and give him the impression that he could then succeed in dating/fucking me. That's a fair point. Now, I answered the quest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 05:26 PM
2	What is feminism? What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? This discussion is about feminism, the equality movement. The thread you linked is asking people to define feminine and masculine traits, and what they believe makes someone behave in a feminine way. People having different traits or differences in behavior, does not make any one person above or below another, both are still people, and should be treated as such, which is that whole equality thing I was talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 04:29 PM
3	Can men give advice to women on how to attract a high-quality man, or does the "fisherman" analogy work both ways? Your post is a pretty good example for female advice: you're mostly listing what are perfect examples of what I call a 2nd tier traits - traits that show personal compatibility and are great if you want to make a relationship long term, but don't say much about how to The discussion isn't about how to create a long term relationship, it's about men claiming women don't know what they want, and me stating that I do in fact know what I want. So I gave a fairly brief example of some of what I look …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 04:10 PM
2	What is feminism? To me feminism was started for equality. Keywords here. We're beyond that. In a lot of areas, yes I agree, especially in the western world. But no, if you look at the world as a whole, we are certainly not beyond that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 03:40 PM
3	Can men give advice to women on how to attract a high-quality man, or does the "fisherman" analogy work both ways? Men, unlike women, actually have a pretty good idea what they want. But, if you are a man, and men and women are such different creatures, then how can you presume to know whether women know what they want or not? The fisherman can observe the fish's behavior, but it can't read it's thoughts. I'm a woman, my friends are women, and we all know damn well what we want (and shocker, we rarely agree). For example, I like men who believe in equality, I also like men who can dominate me in bed (most of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 02:22 AM
4	A BP View, Part 2: Anger Hurts Your Game. There's nothing wrong with believing you can kick ass if needed. My dad taught me to throw a punch when I was little (about 5/6), he also said to never swing first, and always be prepared for them to swing back. My ex got drunk and in my face one day, over a year into the relationship, with no prior warning signs. He swung at me, and caught me in the temple/ear area, so I broke his nose and left. I agree, there's a lot of loud mouth women, who push buttons because they can in public, but in my e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 12:37 AM
2	What is feminism? To me feminism was started for equality. It had (or has, depending on your perspective) to focus on the areas women are skilled in, or areas where they were (or are) being kept down, in order to raise women out of 2nd class status and into equality. I like that aspect. I believe in total equality (same physical requirements for jobs, equal pay, all of it) and when I say that some people call me a feminist. I tend not to use that term though because to many people modern feminism is seen as belie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 11:56 PM
1	TRP, what do you think of alpha men who go after the same "trophy" women like Eric Clapton pursuing Pattie Boyd during and after her relationship with George Harrison or Drake and Chris Brown fighting I think you are missing my point. If you fuck or date, or spin, or whatever a chick you are already inherently stating that you find her reasonably attractive or worth fucking. Right? So, then the only reason to assign a number system is so that you can explain to other men (who can't see her) that they too would likely find her attractive. So the male need for the approval/jealousy/etc that he gets by knowing other men would also find the woman he's with attractive is the reason for assigning a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 10:17 PM
1	TRP, what do you think of alpha men who go after the same "trophy" women like Eric Clapton pursuing Pattie Boyd during and after her relationship with George Harrison or Drake and Chris Brown fighting I'm aware of the difference. The causation that leads to using the numeric system in TRP, is that men want women that are desirable to other men. You assign the women in your lives numerical value because you want to state if she is desirable or undesirable based on the general standards of other men. If her desirability to other men is not the cause of your attraction, then why is her numerical value necessary?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 08:26 PM
2	If make up and dressing up is something women do for themselves or other women... Well my bf doesn't like makeup on women, and has told me repeatedly he prefers me without it. I, however have worn it for years, and feel more confident with a bit of mascara and all that. I no longer wear a full face of it, but I do still wear a bit even though he rolls his eyes at me for it, and says in his opinion I look more attractive without it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 07:27 PM
5	TRP, what do you think of alpha men who go after the same "trophy" women like Eric Clapton pursuing Pattie Boyd during and after her relationship with George Harrison or Drake and Chris Brown fighting Men do not like women based on how desired they are by other men. There may be correlation, but there is no causation. Lol then why assign women numerical value during field reports? Isn't that to show the other RPers that you can pull a hot chick? Isn't the numerical value that you assign (to a living person by the way) your way of stating that a large portion of males would also desire said female? Which, if only a small number of women can be classed as say a 7+, then what you are saying is "…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 06:04 PM
8	Objectification is a term Feminists created to demonize male sexuality. Objectification is not just about sex. A woman who is a gold digger, who is only with a guy for his money, is objectifying him. A man who just sees a woman as a fuck toy, who has no concern or caring for her as a person is objectifying her. Both are degrading the inherent humanity of the person they are with by not viewing them as anything more than a means to an end. Wanting to fuck a chick, does not mean you are objectifying her. Deciding that her ability as a fuck toy is more important than a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/14 11:05 PM
4	Blue Pills, what is your most guilty admission of your behavior, thoughts or preferences in your relationships? I understand that. I've seen nothing scientific to show that people naturally adhere to RP behaviors. That was my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/14 05:19 PM
3	Blue Pills, what is your most guilty admission of your behavior, thoughts or preferences in your relationships? Source please? I'd like some type of data if it's true that everyone does this by nature. I'm studying cultural anthropology and behavioral analysis, and I don't have a PHD or anything, but I've never come across anything to back this up yet in my studies of people, societies, or psychology.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/14 05:14 PM
12	Question for RPW - Does never saying no to sex ever affect your sex drive or your relationship negatively? Hahaha yes I'm aware of that. In case you've already forgotten, you are the one that told me to look at my relationship, as if it was flawed and RPW's were correct, without knowing anything about it. What are you even talking about?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/14 06:41 AM
10	Question for RPW - Does never saying no to sex ever affect your sex drive or your relationship negatively? No actually I didn't. I have a completely egalitarian relationship with kinky play. No one leads me, there is no Captain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/14 05:32 AM
15	Question for RPW - Does never saying no to sex ever affect your sex drive or your relationship negatively? Lol you're cute. I'm incredibly happy in my relationship. In fact, I rarely decline sex, but in my relationship I have the peace of mind of knowing that I matter too. It's quite enjoyable to be loved as a whole person rather than as just a maid and sex toy. Perhaps you should look at why you gave such a knee jerk defensive reaction instead of doling out unnecessary advice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/14 05:24 AM
10	Question for RPW - Does never saying no to sex ever affect your sex drive or your relationship negatively? Lol and how often do you want to take it up the ass, or gag on a cock after a bad day? Honestly? Not in fantasy land. That's nothing other than disrespect and disregard for your partner. Oh, and that's coming from a sub in a full time D/s relationship. People do not always want sex, it's really not meant to be a silly game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/14 05:01 AM
3	Does emotional dread game work on men? Does physical dread game work on women? They both work on both genders. With my relationship he confides a lot of his life stresses in me and I do my best to build him up and give him perspective when he needs it. (And he does the same for me.) If I stop giving a shit, or stop trying to build him up, he's going to notice and feel slighted or hurt in some way, just like I would if he stopped doing the same for me. We are a team after all, both of us feel that if it gets to the point of emotional games, it's better to end the relationsh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/14 06:46 PM
6	On BP's real view of women. The difference between TRP and TBP is that TRP doesn't judge women's preferences. Seriously? Every time I skim that sub it's talking about how women are stupid or irrational for who they date and fuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/14 02:17 AM
2	A tiny survey I feel like if I chose either option then the other option would end up happening as well. If we spend all day fucking, we end up having those long intimate cuddle/talks anyway and vise versa, at least in my current relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/14 02:08 AM
4	Imo, women sometimes really do verbally provoke men. Men are powerless and can do nothing. Therefore, women don't see themselves provoking a man, let alone see any fault for it. What do you think, Purple Pill? I think verbal provocation should be met with a verbal retort, and if anyone (male or female) gets violent then they have really earned whatever beating they get. A female should NOT be able to strike a male and then have her friends kick his ass for hitting her back. I was raised to never swing unless I was ready for them to swing back and I think that's perfectly reasonable. I understand the amount societal pressure men have to not disrespect or hit a woman, and sometimes they do have to walk …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/14 09:39 PM
3	Paper on PUA If a debater really was being disrespectful, just tell them you refuse to carry on the conversation in that tone. Oh I will lol :) I'm pretty new here, but so far I haven't really run into much disrespect, which has been awesome. Odd. That's not a criticism I usually get. The one I usually get is its biotroofs(nope, not exaggerating). RP has plenty actually. Yea I was looking for the basis of those "biotruths", so far it seems like a philosophy of primitive mating strategy mixed with dashes of F…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/14 03:42 AM
4	Paper on PUA Oh no, it was a debate. Mainly anecdotal, but a debate lol, it just kept going around in circles. I argued that TRP had yet to show proof or studies that supported their biological "understanding" of women, and he argued that such studies would never be published so obviously TRP was right anyway. Lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/14 02:56 AM
2	In two sentences (one for men and one for women), what is the best relationship advice you would give to someone? You should be grateful to be knocked up and some mans 2nd priority! Now thank your Master by sucking his dick and serving him dinner. (Obviously /s)	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/14 02:27 AM
2	Paper on PUA Thank you for this. I had a VERY long winded debate with an TRPer about how it seemed like these techniques would only work on CERTAIN woman, and so their conclusions about women are in fact not applicable to women as a whole. But of course I was essentially told that RP was truth and I was a silly woman who just didn't like the "truth". Obviously this isn't confirmative proof, but it's definitely an interesting study.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/14 02:15 AM
1	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? You can not publish such a reshearch without ending your career. Hahaha wow really? That's what you're going with? I suppose the fact that scientists throughout history were willing to be called heretics and risk not only their careers but in some cases they risked imprisonment or even death in order to stand by their proof is just being disregarded here? Out of all the scientists alive, not one has the balls to prove these arguments? I find that highly unlikely. I assume most people would. You …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/14 04:47 PM
2	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? I'm okay with that, I react to stereotypical prejudice, like SJW react to "injustice" I agree, they react as if they are being victimized as well. It's not about fault, that is just how they are. Ok, if that's the case then please show me some tangible proof. If it's really some "biological" truth then where is all the proof? I've never seen a reputable scientific study that supported the claims RP makes about women. If they exist, I'd love to see them and then I will adjust my philosophy accord…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/14 08:59 PM
1	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? When I'm single I sometimes fuck my platonic friends. It makes for a very feasible FWB situation. Why is that hard to believe?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/14 09:52 PM
2	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? You misunderstood, for all intents and purposes you are a feminist. Ok, let's run with that assumption, in fact it supports a point of mine farther down. Your assumtion that alpha is gamey and that it is directed at easy women, is a indicator of how narrow you think of the game. I'm assuming this based only on the reports given by self proclaimed Red Piller's. I assume that they play a numbers game, and that those tactics cater to the "lowest common denominator". This would mean that it has a hi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/14 09:43 PM
1	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? How you call yourself is irrelevant. I'm aware, I was only responding to your irrelevant assumption about me :) This is the important part. You agree that the tactics work on CERTAIN (emotionally unstable) women. Not ALL. I have not met a emotionally stable woman under the age of 47./respectively, one I could not get using those "tricks" I'm not surprised, that's what I just said was happening. But, the downside is that those tactics only work on SOME people (much like the push up bra). No, you …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/14 08:45 PM
1	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? Can mainstream feminism agree to that? I have no idea, I've never once referred to myself as a feminist. Figure what out? How to use creepy PUA tactics to pick up women with low self esteem and emotional issues? Or how to hamster away every woman's opinion as a "shit test"? Yes, basically. This is the important part. You agree that the tactics work on CERTAIN (emotionally unstable) women. Not ALL. You also agree that TRP is showing men "how to hamster away every woman's opinion as a shit test". …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/14 07:34 PM
0	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? Hahaha thanks. Yea, I think I might have responded a bit bitchily lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/14 03:22 AM
15	BPers, why do you want men to be completely ignorant of the true natures of women? Why don't you want men to understand women? Believing that women are selfish, immature children really sounds like truth to you? Really? Why aren't men allowed to finally figure them out and use that knowledge to their advantage? Figure what out? How to use creepy PUA tactics to pick up women with low self esteem and emotional issues? Or how to hamster away every woman's opinion as a "shit test"? Why do you want women to hold all the cards? Cards to what? Who they let in their vagina? Why do you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/14 01:56 AM
5	What exactly is it about TRP that you disagree with? If she is suddenly "playing dumb", perhaps her libido was killed too and that's her polite way of informing you she's not interested any longer. In which case, you trying to use body language and words to manipulate her back into wanting to fuck have an inherent risk of making you look like a jerk and making her get more nervous. Yes, sometimes it's meant as a playful game and pushing past her LMR is what she wants you to do. But it seems risky (and a bit arrogant) to assume that is usually the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/14 10:05 PM
6	What exactly is it about TRP that you disagree with? I've wondered this myself. I'm a bit of a masochist, and I've experimented with consensual non consent, but just because I'm into that sometimes, doesn't mean I don't mean it when I say no. I make sure my kinks are discussed. It's completely unrealistic (and dangerous) to extrapolate what some women like to the whole fucking female population. They should not assume that a human having a pussy means she is incapable of rationally consenting to sex and that any time she says no it's a "shit test"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/14 09:57 PM
3	Let's talk generalities. Ladies, be you red blue or periwinkle, how often do you encounter rude unpleasant men? Men, vice versa. Now that I'm an adult it's very rare to be confronted by rude people (outside of customers at work). Most men are civil and at least friendly as an acquaintance. When I go out I prefer to go to small dive bars or metal shows and even there most guys are nice. But there are a few (usually) drunk dudes who will get handsy or something. Lately there's been a pattern of drunk strangers commenting about "motor boating" me (or, in one pricks case, actually trying to do it) ...which is pretty fucking r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/14 02:50 PM
2	TRP's take on the leaked celebrity pics... Apparently being a celebrity means your vag is made of gold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/14 11:54 PM
6	What are the goals of the blue pill people? I go there for giggles. I think that using RP ideas to build confidence or become more assertive is fine. But, I can't help but laugh at some of the apparent hypocrisy posted there. And to be honest, the idea that I am supposedly an irrational, evil, selfish, (mental) teenager. Who will do anything to fuck an "alpha" cock, no matter how pathetic or self destructive is fucking hilarious. And, when I have time to kill I enjoy seeing other people (BP) poke fun at it as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/14 06:35 AM
3	What are your thoughts on alimony? Do you believe alimony is necessary or relevant today? Why or why not? Not as a general rule, no. I think in cases where one party stayed home for the kids (which isn't too common in today's economy), then maybe there should be some type of alimony for 1 year or something to allow that party reasonable time to re-enter the job market. But it should be regardless of gender. Also, if the SAH party files for divorce (except in cases of abuse, or infidelity or something), then no alimony should even…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/14 06:25 AM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" That sucks, I'm in my 20's as are most of my chick friends and a lot of them have similar wants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/14 03:57 AM
1	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Well that made me interested, you stood your ground like a little champ with your EX. Very interesting. That's the thing, I'm monogamous at my core, it doesn't matter what substance I'm on, that trait stays constant. if he is a prospect than you are "noncomited dating" if you have no sexual interest you are just keeping him in orbit. Ah, then maybe orbit is a better term. I make it clear I'm not looking to fuck them or date them. At this point they are platonic. If they find me interesting as a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 11:54 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Would I be right to assume you like being "in control" during a altered state? No, quite the opposite, I don't want control. It's very similar to the sexually submissive urge I mentioned. In my opinion, the whole point of any recreational substance is to lose yourself in it for a short time. I have issues with the kink community, that complementarity takes place also at a emotional level. I don't participate in the community either, the dynamic is best when it comes about naturally. But yes, the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 10:46 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Go with the flow? In a way I suppose, I let him talk because he had ended the relationship and yea, getting an apology was an ego boost. But did I ever "forget" I was in a relationship, or consider really fucking him? No. Physically, I was turned on. I was fucking trembling when he reminisced about some of our kinky past (he knows I like it rough on E), but that physical feeling never took over, no. you do not get to decide what qualities we get from you stop thinking of it as a apples for apple…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 09:50 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" He did make a move, multiple moves, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm committed to someone else. My ex wanting me and me being hurt and horny doesn't absolve me from my commitment. And no, I obviously wouldn't interrogate the man. RP believes women are more emotional right? Well then why would I just jump on some stranger's cock? I tend to get to know men before I fuck them. I'm admittedly more sexually stimulated by conversation than by looks alone, but it's not impossible to find attra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 09:22 PM
3	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" I didn't apologize, just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean offense. :) Would I be the ONLY woman not to fuck the "most interesting guy in the room"? I doubt it. But to your point, if he looks like Thor, is interesting and looks to hit all my requirements (and we're both single), then sure, I'll probably fuck him. If he's got everything I list but say's he is poly amorous , or has an AA chip hanging from his neck then no, it's not likely. I would keep him as an acquaintance until he proved to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 08:43 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" I see what your saying, if I'm in a room of strangers I tend to be more interested in the ones who've had a lot of life experiences though so to be honest I rarely find myself having a good conversation with a sheltered man. Generally speaking when I say not an addict, I assume he's experimented with quite a few. Perhaps I should have been clearer in my wording. Ha! I wasn't dodging, you seemed fairly convinced I wasn't a haggard troll and we've been a having a civil debate so I didn't feel it m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 08:07 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Nope, as long as I respect him and his sense of right and wrong, what do I care what is "1st" at any given time? If I trust him, then I trust he loves me and I trust he knows I require monogamy so I don't have anything to worry about. Some could say that my "spiritual" beliefs come 1st to me, I would never change my beliefs for any man. I fully expect him to have parts of himself that he holds to no matter what anyone says, so some may define that as being his 1st priority. Edit: clarified the l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 07:42 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" No, he doesn't "owe" me a trip, I can spend my savings on one if I'd like to go. When I say compromise, I mean he loses his own standards for his addiction. He let's it use him like a doormat. I guess I see an addict as something similar to what RP would call "losing frame" in a very broad sense. If a man is so addicted to coke that he loses the career he's working for, if he is so addicted to pussy that he breaks up his family, if he spends so much on his bike that we are behind on our mortgage…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 07:21 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Ah, so it comes down to the addiction then. True, there are likely a (small) percentage of addicts who fall into the drug and then once they get clean, they never become a slave to it again. But the vast majority relapse multiple times (I'm on mobile, but I'm sure there are reliable rehab stats somewhere). It's an unfortunate weakness that is common in the addictive personality. So, I tend to be turned off by addicts in general because I know he know has a high likelihood of relapse. It can be f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 07:08 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" I would count that as a passion, it's not a weakness unless he compromises himself in pursuit of it. Those compromises are what make people weak (male or female, I hold myself to the same standard).	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 06:43 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" I know, you made that clear, that's why I chose that response. :) Yes of course it's nice, that's why I included faithful, and honorable in my initial list. It sounds like at least on this point you agree with me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 06:23 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Oh, and to your self indulgence question, I enjoy indulgence, I think all drugs should be legal actually. Everyone should try them, I've done most of them myself. It's fun, and it's how I know I can handle them recreationally. I'm not a slave to them, so I expect he's not either. It has nothing to do with any type of insecurity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 06:20 PM
2	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Oh, I've played with plenty (but that's a nice assumption), remember above when I said I was able to find what I was looking for? No where in my post above did I say I would settle for below average looks, I assume all humans wish to be attracted to their partner and didn't think it needed to be stated. Let's guess average is rated at what, 5? Maybe 6 or 7 in some places? So I'll play 5 (since it sounds like you assume I'm rated pretty low). I can honestly say there is no shortage of what I'm lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 06:14 PM
3	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" I don't think it's necessarily that we leverage LESS. I find that it's because the traits we leverage become more SPECIFIC. Take you point about young woman wanting "emotional" men. When I was 16-19, yes, I was needy and needed him to handle my emotional baggage. But now I say, I just need to trust him to know right and wrong and to be faithful. Well that's because I realized that if a man truly knows right and wrong and is actually monogamous he wouldn't to anything to hurt a woman he loves. If…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 06:04 PM
6	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Not in my opinion. I find that men can be just as excited and volatile when they are passionate about something. Whether it's a career, something in the arts, or just a philosophy. I just look for (and find) the exciting ones who are too strong too be a complete slave to anything other than their main passion. And if it turns out that their true passion is something like addiction (not recreational drug use), or the thrill of cheating, then I lose respect, and with that, any feelings are impossi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 05:46 PM
5	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" 3 beers? Haha no. Having a good time, even getting blackout drunk from time to time is vastly different than being an addict. Now, if he tells me he goes to AA that's a different. Your statement is in no way accurate. A guy who sticks to one chick at a time and has never blown a dude under a bridge for coke is not by default boring. Being a slave to a substance (or your cock) makes a man weak in my opinion and I find it difficult to fall in love someone I don't respect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 05:22 PM
10	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Yep, it's fucking silly. If I had no standards I'd be a slut, but my super simplified post of "core" traits is irrational. I assume they are annoyed because they are either incapable of meeting those standards and so the thought of a woman "rejecting" them outright bothers them. Or, because it doesn't fit into their theory of AWALT.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 05:07 PM
5	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Are you asking when I lowered my standards to my self described "core" criteria? Do you understand what "core" means? It means I was just listing the basics. There are, as I said, about a million other traits that factor in, but a basic outline of a "good" man (to me) is what I was describing. Does it bother you that it's not detailed? Or did you get snarky because it doesn't fit in with your mentality?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 04:58 PM
11	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Irrational? Why? Because I want a monogamous guy with a mature head on his shoulders? I'm monogamous woman, with no addictions and I can take care of myself financially. I think I have every right to expect the same. Just because he has those basic features doesn't mean he's not exciting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 04:52 PM
8	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" True, but I'm not going to build a life with someone who I can't trust not to relapse. I was describing the important or non negotiable "core" traits, obviously individual personality and about a million other traits can be factored in as well. But no matter how sexy, confident, or strong a man is, if he doesn't have those traits, I will never fall for him. As I said, that's just my opinion though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 11:09 AM
9	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" My dad was a drunk, I don't feel like being treated the way he treated my mother. As for the unemployment, I said I wanted him to stand on his own 2 feet, which includes working but I meant mainly just being a functioning, responsible adult. Like, if we live together then I need to know he can take care of his half of the rent/utilities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 10:40 AM
8	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" Nope, no unemployed druggies in my dating history. Eh, everyone has their preferences I'm sure. These are just mine, I don't expect anyone to think exactly the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 10:22 AM
12	When women complain that "there are no good men left" or ask "where have all the good men gone," what exactly do they mean by "good men?" I think it probably means something different for everyone. It's just basically a way of saying they aren't finding the type of men they want. Personally, my important traits are: Be faithful (I'm a monogamous person), be capable and willing to stand on your own 2 feet, be honorable (I need to know that deep down he has a sense of right and wrong), and no addictions (this one is just for personal reasons).	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/14 12:18 AM
1	If we want to avoid divorce, statistically the best measures for wife selection go against what TRP recommends. Thoughts? Only if one of us calls them (I've never done such a thing, and I can't ever see myself getting that belligerent in public). But true, the way police handle such situations definitely needs to change with the times.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/14 03:32 AM
0	If we want to avoid divorce, statistically the best measures for wife selection go against what TRP recommends. Thoughts? I make roughly 50% more than my bf and I tend to do most of the regular cooking and cleaning. We both work full time, I just happen to work in a higher paid industry at the moment. Do I take care of EVERYTHING? Nope (I mean I'm working at least 40 hours a week as well), but I tend to be better at making quick and usually healthy meals within our budget, so it just makes sense to handle it. Now, I'm a fan of total equality though (example: If I get in anyone's face and strike them, I think they h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/14 12:50 AM