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I agree that the Zelda series isn't the best example for female villains, since there are several, and most bosses are genderless creatures anyway. One game that I think is a better example is Borderlands 2. There are several good female NPC's who are well-written and badass, but virtually all of the bad NPC's (particularly, the bandits that populate Pandora) are male.
/r/MensRights20/03/15 06:26 PM
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I just heard back from the mod who deleted my post. s/he said s/he removed it because it wasn't relevant (i.e. it violates rule 4). I thought to post it to twox considering how mras and twox posters often interact with one another on reddit, but I can see how it isn't related to women's experiences or perspectives.
/r/MensRights28/01/15 10:21 PM
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Many people, I think, fall easily into relationship fantasies. Thinking of it as a "back up" can probably enhance the fantasy, because the person also feels a sense security and validation. It's similar to the kind of ego boost one might feel after fantasizing that you and that really attractive aquintance would totally have amazing sex. On the one hand, it's seems like a more "risky" fantasy to hold, because typically, it would be sustained over some relatively stable period of time; but on the…
/r/MensRights01/10/14 08:56 AM
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That's a bit of a stretch. Having a fantasy or "backup plan" in case something happened is not necessarily the same as seeing your current partner as utterly disposable. I believe it's completely possible, and common, to find innumerable value in one's current partner while also having fantasies about other people. The difference is between love and lust.
/r/MensRights01/10/14 07:03 AM
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Can I just say, I'm shocked something written by Lisa Wade was upvoted this high on here.
/r/MensRights23/04/14 10:44 PM
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I wonder why too, but I didn't bother to ask. A bot messaged me to tell me that /r/bestof doesn't allow posts from there. I agree that both subs ought to be fine. It's also kind of weird to me that it's twox and not feminism. Twox isn't quite the equivalent to mensrights in the way that feminism would be. I don't suspect that the mods were really concerned with keeping all things equal in terms of what they banned though.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 03:59 PM
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They don't allow posts from /r/twoxchromosomes. I tried to post one just the other day.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 07:48 AM
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"having a good time" isn't sufficient for determining an act as moral or normal. I'm not contesting the notion that there is a taboo in our society regarding placing children in sexualized contexts, and that this shapes most individual's beliefs, but I certainly don't want to be the one to try and argue that there isn't a good reason for this taboo.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 08:41 AM
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Absolutely. It's still a child being sexualized. The only thing I have to add is at least it was posted to r/wtf and not r/funny. Edit: does anyone have the link to the r/wtf thread?
/r/MensRights06/07/13 07:54 AM
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Oh man, you make it sound as if Feminism were a systemic institution of sexist oppression.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 06:28 PM
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I don't think 'society' particularly discourages stay-at-home dads. I would argue that society discourages stay-at-home dads in the way that it tends to be overly-critical of a father's ability to provide adequate childcare. For example, I have seen several thread here in /r/mensrights where fathers complain about the treatment they receive from teachers: asking "where is the child's mother" at parent-teacher meetings, children bringing home forms that ask explicitly for the mother's or grandpar…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 06:20 PM
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It's this tendency to see sexist thinking as more of an individual sickness that makes it more difficult to realize that sexist thinking is a systemic problem. The sexist stereotypes that "women aren't as good at math" or that "men aren't as good at childcare" are systemic because they occur frequently and in relatively the same way in each occurrence. Of course they're baseless claims, but to say that the problem is that there are just bad individuals out there that hold these bad beliefs doesn…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 06:11 PM
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But women leave the workforce more often than men do, and not just to have kids. You posit some massive conspiracy -- The Patriarchy -- as being behind this, but it could simply be due to our different instinctual drives. I'm inclined to believe that you haven't read much feminist theory, and so I'd like to explicate the notion of Patriarchy in order to hopefully demonstrate the argument for why Patriarchy may result in more women leaving the work force. Patriarchy is a system that relies on gen…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 05:57 PM
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The right to vote? To own property separate from a woman's husband? Bodily autonomy? Entry to the workforce? Access to higher education? I agree with all these things. But see the problem? These goals have all been met. So, what is left of feminism? To end sexism and sexist exploitation (source: http://danawilliams2.tripod.com/aaarg/hooks.pdf)
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:39 PM
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What is it then?
/r/MensRights04/05/13 11:15 PM
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An example could be an employer threatening an employee with his or her job unless the employee has sex with the boss. I would say undocumented immigrants are at particularly high risk for this type of manipulation, where if they do not comply with their boss's orders, they can be arrested and deported. EDIT: I think my use of "threatening" above carries a loaded connotation. Sometimes it is merely the implication that you will lose your job or that you will be reported to immigration officials …
/r/MensRights04/05/13 09:54 PM
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Well, he got her to have sex with him by "preying on her fragile emotional state." Cases like this are very complex, and I agree that the law has done little to nothing to shed clarity on any such cases. Manipulation for sex, however, is definitely something that we should not be okay with as a society, and I think we can agree that there are some forms of manipulation that are undoubtedly so malicious as to constitute rape. Really, what it comes down to is respect and communication. People need…
/r/MensRights04/05/13 08:40 PM
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My comment was merely diagnostic of the contexts in which shaming is seen as bad, and also why this poster is seen as controversial in this subreddit based on the discussion at hand. I was making not claims about where I stand. Additionally, one of the primary reasons why I would assert that the shaming in question here aligns with type (2) rather than (1) is because if it were seen as bad here based on (1), there would be little to no controversy, as most people understand teen pregnancy to be …
/r/MensRights27/03/13 06:22 PM
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Shame is bad when 1.) You are being made to feel shamed for something that should not be considered bad or 2.) The party being shamed is not the one to be held responsible, for then act of shaming is rendered ineffective. The poster in question here seems to be viewed as problematic by way of (2), and controversial because some do not who to rightfully blame, or because some acknowledge that there are many (individuals and entities) that are to be blamed but this only creates complexity and reve…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 05:19 PM
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It's fallacious reasoning to conclude anything about a person's bodily desires from her or his clothing alone. Additionally, it is possible to consent to one type of sexual act, such as being viewed as someone who is sexually stimulating, but not to another, such as engaging in sexual contact. Contributing to the poor logic behind such arguments is the fact that there has yet to be demonstrated a causal (nor correlative) link between a rapist's selection of victim and what the victim was wearing…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:38 AM
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I found this. It's not a news article, but is an article that provides examples of numerous court cases in which the victims dress was brought up "for the purpose of showing consent." edit: that source was a bit old so I went to find a more recent one. This one is from 2000. Its findings report that of the court cases examined "barristers always asked complainants questions about their clothing."
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:32 PM
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A definition for feminism from Laura Lee Downs's book Writing Gender History (2010): While Feminism is itself a contested word, and one whose meaning has, moreover, shifted over the course of the women's rights movement, one can nonetheless establish a broad definition of the term, one that embraces all who find women's subordinate status to be unjust, and who, furthermore, believe that there is nothing inevitable about this status: it is a product of human convention and can therefore be change…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 02:36 AM
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I feel like only numbers 1, 2, and 11 provide a criticism that the MRM ought to answer. The others seem like a bit of a stretch to come up with something contradictory or an example of cognitive dissodance, and reflect an individual's own lapse in reasoning, rather than a position widely held by the movement itself.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 08:08 AM
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Ok, so my question now is does the MRM have a theory behind it/that supports it? Or just a manifesto?
/r/MensRights25/01/13 08:25 PM
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Okay, so my question now is does the MRM have a theory behind it?
/r/MensRights25/01/13 08:17 PM
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Which theories are useful to the MRM, then? It seems to me that there is some interest in understanding human behavior when it comes to activism, but all such studies and theories tend to have the same problems because they all boil down to nature vs. nurture, etc.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:41 PM
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I was thinking along the lines of applied theory or research when I asked this, where someone synthesizes numerous studies into a practical theory. I feel like activists must do this, at least to some capacity, because how else will they know what exactly to fight against and how?
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:37 PM
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How would we develop a theory if we aren't running studies? Well, applied theory or research. And I agree, I think we understand enough about DNA to know that many of our characteristics, including gender, are inherited. I was just curious to know if the MRM used any theories about gender (or against gender as "socially constructed") to help fight discrimination, or if any MRA has written an applied theory regarding gender.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:32 PM
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So let's say that one's "gender expression" is solely the result of evolution and biology. Do you think that this theory would serve to be more practical for the movement? If so, in what ways? This question here, I think, has a lot to do with the way that MRAs address and fight discrimination.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:23 PM
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This is my thought, too, which is why I was wondering what the MRM's stance was on gender in general, and how MRAs might use it to analyze discrimination.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:18 PM
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I never got the impression that gender is considered non-essential by those who support men's rights. Sorry, my wording came across as a little confusing, I think. It's not to say that one's gender is nonessential in the discrimination they face, for the discrimination we're discussing is on basis of one's gender. My question was more to ask why the way that gender is developed by individuals isn't something that is brought up when addressing the discrimination that men face. Also the part about…
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:15 PM
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It would seem as though, to me at least, that in some capacity, common notions about gender serve as reasons or rationalizations for discriminating against men. For example, discriminating against fathers in custody cases, because men are traditionally thought to be inadequate (or less adequate) childcare providers; or keeping men from working closely with children, because men are commonly thought to be hyper-sexual/the only ones who commit sexual assault. Perhaps a good follow up question woul…
/r/MensRights25/01/13 06:16 PM
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I think the problem is founded on the hyper-sexualized stereotype attributed to men. The idea that men always want sex is what, I think, causes some women to believe that they are allowed to have sexual contact with a man prior to consent. That's part of the root problem that needs to be addressed, and there needs to be good education available regarding sexual consent addressed to all genders.
/r/MensRights11/01/13 08:56 AM
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Except the civil rights movement did try to appeal to racists, in that they attempted to convince them not to be racist anymore... Fact of the matter remains, feminism and the civil rights movement have been highly successful for their respective causes. The MRM could potentially benefit from analyzing what aspects in those movements work and which ones do not. The problem, however, (and this is true everywhere, not just in activism) is that there aren't enough disinterested people around to thi…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 10:33 PM
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To move from "some" to "all" is fallacious reasoning. I don't doubt that there have been some feminists who have pushed for things that do limit the rights of men, but I do doubt that all feminists push for things that limit the rights of men. The enemy of feminists are oppressive institutions that include but are not limited to sexism. Try reading up on some contemporary theory--it seems like you're stuck on 1960's Redstockings sentiment. You keep using this White Nationalists analogy, but the …
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:02 PM
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http://faculty.ucc.edu/psysoc-stokes/Masculinity.pdf http://www.zcommunications.org/the-ideology-of-masculinity-michael-kimmel-interview-by-ian-sinclair He argues there are many different types of masculinity. Nevertheless, after conducting workshops with young men in 49 of the 50 US states and in the UK, he maintains American and British men generally have similar views about what it means to be a man: “Don’t show your feelings, don’t cry, be stoic, succeed, be responsible, be powerful, be stro…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 06:30 PM
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It's just a post from one of those "like and share" pages. This page in particular has proven to be exceptionally sensationalist, and clearly cares more about accruing likes than actually advancing women's rights.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:39 AM
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Except yes, men are acknowledged to be raped by rape culture theory. One manifestation of rape culture is the idea that prisoners (typically male) deserve to be raped. Additionally, when the definition of rape was changed most recently (and change was demanded because the old definition discounted various forms of rape, thereby perpetuating a climate in which certain kinds of rape and its victims are trivialized), it was intentionally made to include men. Lastly, rape culture theory also recogni…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:35 AM
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You don't think males are socialized to be more violent than their female counter-parts? (And this is what Kimmel says; it's not definitional, nor does he claim that men ought to strive to be more "feminine," but rather have the freedom to be more fluid in their gender expression).
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:24 AM
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Isn't the point of equality that we all be seen, treated, and respected as individuals? Your generalizations come across as ironic to me. And in any case, the essentialist rhetoric employed by some MRA's (cough cough) is just as denigrating, harmful, and counter-productive as the essentialist rhetoric employed by some feminists in regard to men. Why not instead focus your energy on specifically those individuals who do push for something suppressive to men's rights instead of just lumping it und…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:19 AM
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Imitation is a major part of a child's learning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imitation#Child_Development If preferences are clear, they will definitely be perceptive of that. The catalogue could also potentially help parents see more fluidity within their children's play, whereas before parents may have felt the need to correct and prevent the children from playing with the "wrong" gender toys.
/r/MensRights30/11/12 07:45 PM
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I was merely refuting your claim that geralizations are not made by showing that they are, not doubting that you have anecdotal evidence which support your beliefs (i.e. enables you to make generalizations).
/r/MensRights12/11/12 12:48 PM
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Neither you, nor anyone else here (nor anyone on earth) has encountered (pretty much) every single feminist. You therefore have no grounds to make universal claims about feminists, and the fact that you acknowledged and qualified this by stating "(pretty much)" shows that any attempt to make a universal claim about feminists would be to make a generalization.
/r/MensRights12/11/12 08:37 AM
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I find this to be a very limited, if not utterly homogenizing interpretation. You're presupposing that gender actually serves to manifest something ubiquitously in all cases where that gender is present, thereby limiting the amount of individual expression a member of that gender is actually capable of producing. I don't think it's the game developer's intention or desire to try and define exactly the limits of one's gender so that they can represent that through their characters.
/r/MensRights10/11/12 07:56 PM
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This particular facebook page parades sensationalism around as activism. When the point is to accrue as many likes and shares as possible, you are selecting the images your page represents carefully with that in mind. Absolutely worth criticism in this regard, for it is the lack of critical thinking which is privileged here above all else.
/r/MensRights10/11/12 07:13 PM
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The reason why I question josiekiller's comment is because if a woman asked the man to go down on her, then that would imply consent to most people.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 05:31 PM
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Right. Just having a hard time understanding why you attributed this comic to feminism. Maybe you left out some relevant context. Or maybe your title is just an example of a Non Sequitur fallacy.
/r/MensRights02/11/12 01:55 AM
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So, every time a male stand-up comic makes a sexist joke about women, am I to assume that he's a men's rights activist?
/r/MensRights02/11/12 12:22 AM
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I think that the title "Killing Rage" is intended to be a double entendre (and having read bell hooks before, I know that she is a very stylistic writer), where Killing Rage is to be understood adverb+verb, but also as verb+noun (as in to kill the rage she feels). The summary of the book on Amazon: ...whereas many women have been recognized for their writing on gender politics, the female voice has been all but locked out of the public discourse on race. Killing Rage speaks to this imbalance. Th…
/r/MensRights29/10/12 02:17 AM
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Had to sign in just to downvote this. Essentialist beliefs, such as the one expressed here, are just as denigrating, counterproductive, and pernicious as the essentialist belief that nearly every male who approaches a female is a sexual predator. I hope you can see that now. This is not to say that these women are not acting in a way that is harmful, but that the point is to see everyone as an individual (not a race, gender, social class, personality type, etc.), and thus to hold individuals res…
/r/MensRights26/10/12 05:56 PM
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thank you
/r/MensRights12/10/12 01:53 AM
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Could you please refer me to the specific Stanford Encylocpedia of Philosophy entry you mentioned when you said: As far as I am concerned, it is clear that the feminists will use their PR weight to oppose doxxing of their members and the same PR weight to impose doxxing of their enemies. See the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy to see how this is completely within Feminist ethics - particularity and partiality are favoured over universality and impartiality, responsibilities are favoured over…
/r/MensRights12/10/12 01:49 AM
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It's not surprising. Throughout western history (and most other societies, as well) and, to a certain extent, many people today, saw/see domestic duties as "women's work." There are several different factors that play into today's notions of a woman's ties to domesticity, though, that are somewhat interesting. The belief that a woman's "place" is in the home, thereby excluding her from the public sphere, is a belief that has almost entirely been dispelled from American culture. What seems to hav…
/r/MensRights10/10/12 03:45 AM
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From what I've observed, this seems to be the most accurate description in this thread yet. Essentially, it's not the denial that there is not one individual woman who hates a man (for this clearly isn't true), but rather, it's the denial of institutional misandry. Personally, I think that misogyny (and misandry) should not be used as synonymous with sexist, although these terms commonly are used as such. To me, misogyny and misandry are pathological, that is, a psychological, deep-seeded hatred…
/r/MensRights28/09/12 03:30 AM
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The user could have been clumping women in with race/ethnicity, where they are the minority. Either way, what perhaps would have made for a better argument would be if (s)he used the term "status quo" instead. An analogy that I could think of along these lines is, that often, the individual or group with the most money is the minority but has the most power comparatively.
/r/MensRights09/09/12 09:19 AM
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I never said it wasn't hypocritical. I do think that the slant of this piece is a little ridiculous, however. I understand why it is addressed to feminists (and "most women") given the site that it was written for, but I feel it fails in providing a substantial criticism of feminism. First, the author admits that this claim against feminist is merely speculation: In fact, even among feminists, I suspect that the percentage of women who would honestly answer the above questions with “not really a…
/r/MensRights29/08/12 07:40 AM
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I think that there is a fundamental problem with the notion that a woman's attire be considered an advertisement for her sexual availability. I say this because, first, there is no male equivalent to this practice. What does a man wear when he goes out to "explicitly" send the message, or perhaps a better term would be to "advertise," that he wants to have sex that night? Secondly, it's fallacious reasoning to conclude anything about a person's bodily desires, or morality, based upon the way tha…
/r/MensRights29/08/12 06:43 AM
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So, it's those pesky traditional gender roles that are the root of the problem, after all. You don't say...
/r/MensRights29/08/12 06:05 AM
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Oh, sorry. Forgot to mention how gender feminism could be of potential benefit. If gender feminism succeeded in eliminating the rigidity of gender roles, the would this succeed in advancing at least some men's rights? As far as the "Men's Rights Manifesto," this is a term that I'm using to try and figure out the specifics of the MRM ideology, as well as where the MRM stands on situations like this, and how it differs from gender feminist ideology. I'm not sure where one could read the Men's Righ…
/r/MensRights27/08/12 04:29 PM
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I have a sincere question and am interested in having a conversation with some MRAs. Given the nature of this circumstance--being that OP's brother is teased because for him to carry pepper spray goes against typical gender roles,--is this an example where gender feminism could be of potential benefit to men? I ask this question because, given my undertanding of the Men's Rights Movement, feminism is a major proponent of misandry, and also that feminism is unable to properly advance men's rights…
/r/MensRights27/08/12 05:30 AM
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Thanks for the alternate predicates--they are much better! I got what you have to come out valid, as well, but eventually gave up on the proof because it started becoming very lengthy. I'm starting to question whether my initial conclusion, that sex with men is a necessary condition for a woman to be dirty, is adequate in representing the conclusion that the article reaches, being that men are "foul," or dirty. It seems that with only the two predicates, the article's conclusion is out of reach,…
/r/MensRights20/08/12 03:50 AM
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I just checked--this is fallacious reasoning, by way of the invalidating combination (true premises but a false conclusion) found using the shorter truth-table test. For those of you familiar with symbolic logic, please double-check my translation and shorter truth-table test: http://imgur.com/xn7pH.jpg Criticism welcomed.
/r/MensRights19/08/12 09:18 PM
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I agree, but I think an interesting conversation could be generated for the reason for the disparity. For example, what kinds of behavioral differences exist between races and genders that possibly account for this, and in what ways could these problematic behaviors be addressed without jeopardizing the educational attainment of males and minorities?
/r/MensRights16/08/12 07:41 PM
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Care to expand upon this? Is it that you find the post-modern philosophers to be absurd?
/r/MensRights12/08/12 06:59 PM
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Crazy you posted this, because I came up with that exact thought today. So happy I have something to read now that'll give good insight on this hypothesis.
/r/MensRights29/07/12 06:19 AM
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What I have personally encountered is hostility whenever a feminist perspective is offered, and the reason being that feminism directly stifles Men's Rights. And so, even with any and all hostility aside, feminist are being told that they are the primary reason for misandry, and though any well-reasoned individual is perfectly entitled to hold that belief, it's no surprise that feminist feel perturbed by it. Perhaps it's similar to why MRAs are perturbed by the claim that men are the primary cau…
/r/MensRights29/06/12 09:03 PM
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Question: Is this position held by the MRM in solely a contemporary context, or is it meant to be understood in terms of historically and contemporary?
/r/MensRights24/06/12 06:12 PM
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That NPR article was really interesting. I had never thought about how the one child policy would create an entire adult generation of single children or about the ways these individuals can influence society because of that experience.
/r/MensRights21/06/12 11:14 PM
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This is insulting to both genders. Women can't just leave their husbands, even if they're untrustworthy 'scumbags,' and the only way to stop a husband from cheating is to brand him.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 10:26 PM
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See username.
/r/MensRights26/05/12 12:35 PM
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He's also only 7-years-old. He still lives in a culture that characterizes certain things as for boys or for girls. Using this terminology is probably as sophisticated as it will get of a 7-year-old. Perhaps as he grows older, however, he'll begin to further understand the implications and see gender as something which is more flexible than previous generations have. Also, I'm imagining "gender-free" as in "free-to-choose." I don't think that equating "gender-free" with "androgynous" is the poin…
/r/MensRights25/05/12 09:30 PM
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Hypocrisy is a part of human nature. We're all self-interested and hold true to our factions, but deep down we have reason and compassion that can override this. The real battle is convincing people to think more openly and rationally in a society that indulges the ego.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 05:44 PM
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It seems to me she was fired on grounds for dressing inappropriately in the office (miniskirts or leggings--something that the Time article neglects to mention). Clearly, her lawyer and the media are trying to spin it as some religious-freedom-gender-equality issue, when really the woman simply didn't dress professionally.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 05:38 PM
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To me, I think that this could be a positive thing. I feel as though the greatest limitation placed within the gender realm is male participation in femininity. A man who chooses to participate in more feminine activities certainly receives far more scrutiny than a woman who decides to participate in masculine activities. I think that in order for humanity to come closer to achieving true gender equality, then genders (masculine, feminine, and anything in between) must be perceived as equal. Thi…
/r/MensRights25/05/12 05:31 PM
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This will be a colossal disaster, just like every time it happened before. I'm not too familiar with other instances resulting in trauma and suicide. Know where I can find other reports? The only one that I know of is the David Reimer story, but this is certainly far more traumatic (genital mutilation and "sex rehearsal") than merely allowing your little boy to play with makeup and to paint his nails.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 05:16 PM
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Haha, good grief. I'm not sure what your experience is with college courses, but no one tells you what is and is not acceptable. The expectations are that you read journal articles and studies (some are assigned to you, others you are assigned to find and bring to class), and come to class prepared to discuss the work and to develop criticisms. You're always going to have something to complain about if, 1) you aren't proactive in providing accessible information about MR to more people, and 2) i…
/r/MensRights29/04/12 03:53 PM
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From my OP: and at what point is the feminist ideology, when practiced, most harmful (i.e. at an individual level, at a group level, at a national level)? From my reply to ullere: Shall we conclude that the most harm comes out of the ideologies of specialized groups, then? Factory2's response to this question: No, we conclude that local chapters are acting as frontman for the full weight of all feminists everywhere. Which is exactly what they are doing... ever hear of the Slutwalk? I rebuttal th…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 10:39 PM
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So are you going to try enlighten them on that conception, or are you going to argue that they cannot be enlightened on that conception?
/r/MensRights28/04/12 09:01 PM
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Don't be too cynical. You really think that at the bottom of this field they do not value good science? These researchers know that they are going to be subject peer-review and criticism, and they wouldn't become scientists if they didn't have in faith in the way that it ought to function. I just can't imagine that they could just be so blatantly bent and [expect to] actually get away with it.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 08:58 PM
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No, we conclude that local chapters are acting as frontman for the full weight of all feminists everywhere. Which is exactly what they are doing... ever hear of the Slutwalk? Here only "Slutwalk" is the example. Semantically, to conclude something is to make an inference. And here, ontextually, this inference was used to argue for a point in response to the question that I asked. To make a point in response to a question aimed at some truth- or false-hood is the definition of an argument [source…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 08:46 PM
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The program at my University is called Gender and Women's Studies. The addition of "Gender" happened three years ago, when the department chair worked to develop a new curriculum that emphasized Gender Equality rather than 2nd-Wave Feminist "Women's Liberation." There are several courses that we have now which have dropped the term "women's" and replaced it with "gender," such as "Intro to Gender Studies" and "Gender in Society." We also have a class called "Men and Masculinities." So, why the s…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 08:15 PM
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One of the questions I asked above was what you think the best way is to address and act in opposition to the inequality that arises out of feminism. In other words, what is the strategy that should be taken (by individuals, by society, and/or by Men's Rights supporters) to repair the system?
/r/MensRights28/04/12 07:46 PM
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Could you please elaborate a little. Not an 'ism' or not really activism, how do you identify these things, and what is the Men's Movement to you then?
/r/MensRights28/04/12 06:21 AM
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Okay, so I'm sorry to do this, it probably seems pretentious, but as a Philosophy major I have to point out the logical fallacy here. You've committed the fallacy of Composition. It does not logically follow that because members of a group display characteristic X, then the whole group, itself, displays characteristic X. In fact, there were thousands of feminists who did not support Slutwalk,. And in the case of these local chapters, I think it is clear that they are not necessarily representati…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 06:11 AM
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Okay, but why? What is it about a feminist that they cannot accurately define anti-male? Lack of male-perspective? Inaccurate perspective of masculinity and anti-male? Is it all feminists -- or do you believe that it is possible for a man or woman to identify as feminist, but still have an accurate perspective of what is anti-male?
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:58 AM
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Sometimes to zero, sometimes to zero. Ha. Okay, I hear you out. But in this particular example, which side of the "authority" spectrum do you take: Is this an Argument by Authority or the Fallacy of Improper Authority. I would reject the argument that this research is biased simply because of the fact that these researchers are [presumed to be] feminists, and that because they've published in a women's quarterly magazine. We do not so hastily make this claim when a biologist publishes in Nature …
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:53 AM
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How should they have determined who was and was not a feminist? Is it that their definition was inadequate, or that they shouldn't be using a definition at all? And not that I think that this is the best study, by any means, or even really a good one. I just felt it was a good way to get us thinking about the root of the problem, and how it is that we can come to find a resolution.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:24 AM
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You know, that quote merely comes from their discussion of their literature review process and is about previous research which is only similar to their own. It has nothing their own methodology nor their own sample. For this study: Participants Undergraduate students (N = 488) from a large, nonresidential, Hispanic-serving public university in Texas participated. Sixty-six percent of respondents were women. Forty-one percent (n = 200) of the respondents identified as Latina/o, 27% (n = 133) as …
/r/MensRights27/04/12 08:53 PM
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Thanks for these. I'll be sure to read them when I get a chance tonight.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 08:48 PM
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You know, that is considered to be a logical fallacy: ad hominem circumstantial. Perhaps a women's quarterly journal was one of the first it was submitted to, for the researcher's felt they'd have the best chance of being published there. And perhaps the researcher's interest in feminism sparked their interest to conduct this research. These two factors do not necessarily discredit their work right-off-the-bat. Read the research to decide whether it's any good based off of the methodology of the…
/r/MensRights27/04/12 08:46 PM
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Thanks for this thorough post. It seemed like the trend here was that the most opposition came from the group-level than individual or national levels. The opposition to the equal custody/shared parenting bill came from the Michigan chapter of NOW. I searched to see if the entire organization opposed the bill, and didn't find any reason to conclude that. I only found another instance for the New York chapter of NOW opposing a similar bill. Opposition to anonymity of alleged rape defendants came …
/r/MensRights27/04/12 08:42 PM
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Of course. But could we not say that when the dichotomy exists as men's rights vs. women's rights, it becomes much, much easier for people to construct (or even more innocently, perceive) a strawman of men vs. women?
/r/MensRights16/03/12 06:58 PM
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The problem is that there exists a dichotomy that is perpetuated by both the MRM and Feminist movement. Both groups are ultimately concerned with gender equality, but when we focus too much of our attention on the negative aspects and radical members of each "opposing" group, we only drive a wedge further between the egalitarianism we believe in and strive for. When MRM members generalize feminism and oppose it as a whole (source), then the more egalitarian "feminist" are overlooked, and that hu…
/r/MensRights16/03/12 05:12 PM
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I'm curious to know if there is a correlation with physique/attractiveness of these individuals and their jerk-like behavior. For instance, more testosterone would make the individual's physique appear more masculine, which was what this study found women to be attracted to. If there were a correlation, then it could be that the more "attractive" men happen to be the more aggressive ones.
/r/MensRights13/03/12 06:00 PM
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For my own sake, would you happen to know the titles of the published results or by whom? Or even the article that may have used these results? This is a topic that I am always curious about. I'm glad you brought up the point that bad bosses have a direct effect on work performance, because this is certainly the core of the issue here, and if women are contributing more to poor work environments, then that certainly warrants investigation. What I was trying to show, however, is that there exists…
/r/MensRights12/03/12 11:28 PM
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On what grounds are you contesting the possibility of cultural influences over the way we perceive differences between men and women? The example of the "anger management issues" does little but show of one instance in which an individual with 'issues' acted poorly as a manager. Being that these sorts of 'issues' are not solely associated with either male or female, but both, it's difficult to obtain any relevance from the sex of the individual. In other words, it acts merely as an example of po…
/r/MensRights12/03/12 11:08 PM
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I'm not sure that those function as reliable reasons why. For example, perhaps women that are assertive and direct might be perceived as bitchy due to cultural influences. She may also be quickly assumed to be emotional due to the same influences. If a female boss and a male boss act nearly the same, the two still can be perceived to be different. The point is that these two reasons, as well as the many reasons stated in the survey do not necessarily tell us why the two are different, only that …
/r/MensRights12/03/12 08:11 PM
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It certainly reads more indifferently that way.
/r/MensRights09/03/12 05:37 PM
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Posted this before I read all of the other comments on here. It seems that my assumption was correct, but I think that this question still possesses some viability and is worth discussing. Should the MRM and Feminist movement remain mutually exclusive within their representative sex, or is there a benefit to including members of the opposite sex, and even transgendered individuals?
/r/MensRights09/03/12 02:05 AM
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Honest question: would the sarcasm be equally as good of a thing? I'm curious about the thoughts from the MRM about the participation of women within the movement. I'm assuming it's similar to feminism, in which some women deny the participation of men, while others welcome and encourage it.
/r/MensRights09/03/12 01:55 AM
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Thanks for the insight. I agree that it certainly was ironic, and in fact, quite complimentary for the context of the OP. What I was trying to point out is that because we all agree that the context/"mentality" of the OP is what is wrong about the post, bold facing "girl" is an inadequate, ad Hominem counterexample which perpetuates the problematic gender ideology in the first place.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 09:34 PM
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You're right about it being immature. Even a mature woman that lives by her ascribed gender roles would never make such an unreasonable claim by which to define a "mature man." Not that gender roles don't all ready make ridiculous claims, but the OP is something certainly exceptionally stupid.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 09:27 PM
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Don't both genders have to deal with this quite often? To me, the gender ideology which is pervasive in our society impacts both genders immensely. I therefore think if you have a problem with the way that gender is ascribed, then you must reject it in all forms. That means you view others as individuals, not genders. It also means being open and engaged with those that continue to perpetuate the gender ideology in their own lives, because they are unenlightened, and need to experience a differe…
/r/MensRights01/02/12 06:24 AM
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Gender ideology is dumb.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 12:31 AM
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I like how you complain about gendered stereo types only to come back with one.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 12:26 AM
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