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They gain an air of moral superiority. In Western cultures, it's hammered into our brains that superficiality, carnality etc. are strictly male traits and that women's sexual and romantic preferences are "deeper".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:09 PM
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Tall and handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:35 AM
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Fake nails
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:00 PM
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Yeah, this is it in a nutshell. Most women do have a transactional understanding of sex, no matter how much they deny it when spelled out. They need something out of it or feel "used", "exploited", "duped" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:50 AM
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Men very frequently date down, often significantly, in socio-economic status.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:39 AM
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Their talk about "power gaps" is also ridiculous because they never define what that "power" entails or how it manifests. Plus they also have zero issues with other power gaps, e.g. wealth, intelligence, attractiveness etc. One could make the case that women have a power advantage over men per default because they can usually find replacement men more easily. At the end of the day, shaming men for dating younger happens for the same reasons people shame men who date abroad, enjoy porn, go to pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:37 AM
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Men that get casual sex aren't "alphas", often they just don't meet the extra requirements for a relationship. The vast majority of men who are able to get casual sex are also able to get relationships, easily. Men who can and do fuck around but are, for some reason, mass rejected by women for LTRs are extremely rare, if they exist at all. Men that get casual sex may be more attractive but that is about it in terms of what features they have that are "better". That feature is extremely important…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:18 PM
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Feminists' entire ideology is based on the assertion that women are the morally superior gender but are kept powerless and oppressed by men. It only makes sense that such an ideology plays down female wrongdoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:37 AM
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A disclaimer like that is cheap, I frankly doubt that you'd rush to defend men from being called insecure, toxic, pornbrained, misogynist, objectifying etc. whenever women grill them for their preferences/standards. If you did, you have my respect, but you'd definitely be the exception among exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:26 AM
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Man, where are those people like OP whenever women complain about men's standards, preferences, wants and boundaries? Women like OP write essays about how okay it is for women to only want tall, handsome, rich guys but then turn around and blow a fuse when men want younger women, foreign women, slim women or non-promiscious women for instance. Hell, it would suffice if women defended men with their "dating is not a meritocracy" shtick when other women criticise men's preferences. They don't. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:21 AM
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Hating on men dating younger women is solely meant to further limit men's leverage on the dating market. A lot of people, women in particular, just don't want to see men "win". It's the very same reason why they hate it when men go abroad to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:06 AM
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It's all about limiting men's leverage on the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:36 PM
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The issue isn't the dress, it's women's insistence that men, at least those they don't like, need to avert their eyes from them in a (semi-)public place. And there's no double standard either since men who show a lot of skin rarely, if ever, raise a ruckus when women look at them. Generally, being looked at in (semi-)public places is simply something a person has to accept. Especially since forcing people to not look requires permanent surveillance and draconian laws. Feel free to found parties …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:21 PM
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Even character traits have a very solid genetic foundation, plus being naturally attractive makes it much more likely to develop a personality widely considered attractive. And personality is also perceived as more attractive if you're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:49 AM
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Guys, the gender who succesfully cracked down on sexy fictional women in media feels like they're under attack for having "preferences". Let's lay off them, okay? I mean, they accept us men preferring slim, untattooed, non-combative, non-promiscious, younger women or women of certain races as well, let's afford them similar courtesy. They don't even mind when men go abroad to date! Or when men only want casual sex! They're so tolerant guys! And we want to FORCE them to date ugly and poor guys. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:32 AM
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Simply because women aren't the one who complain about high standards men have Women spent the better part of the last two decades bitterly complaining about male preferences and standards, be they high or not. In fact, they're still at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:38 PM
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Guys, the gender who succesfully cracked down on sexy fictional women in media feels like they're under attack for having "preferences". Let's lay off them, okay? I mean, they accept us men preferring slim, untattooed, non-combative, non-promiscious, younger women as well, let's afford them similar courtesy. They don't even mind when men go abroad to date! Or when men only want casual sex! They're so tolerant guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:37 PM
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Women like OP measure a person's entire worth and moral integrity by their attractiveness to the opposite gender. It's a core Blue Pill concept. And since women are pretty much always desired, they tend to see themselves as supreme and above criticism. Basically, it's circular reasoning, i.e. "I'm a good person because I'm desired and I'm desired because I'm a good person." The ironic thing is that women constantly emphasize how "worthless" male attention is, yet (secretly, unconsciously) see it…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:28 PM
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A thousand times this. Women berate men for pretty much any preference, standard, boundary etc. they have. It was even considered a systemic issue in the late 00s and early 10s. Just look at the crusade against "unrealistic depictions of women", it was pretty much the birth cry of 4th wave feminism, predating #metoo, Title IX and the like by several years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:48 PM
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This is another one of those debates we had a decade ago with switched genders. MGTOW was a thing in the mid 2010s and women constantly called them out for still being obsessed with bashing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:49 AM
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When someone dates a boozer, pothead or otherwise drug addict. Or when knowingly dating someone with a confirmed history of violence, abuse, stalking etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:37 PM
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Don't bother telling them about that, they'll just gaslight you how that never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:13 PM
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https://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/25/opinion/bennett-aurora-three
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:24 AM
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The manosphere, 4th wave feminism etc. all started with Millennials. Sure, the frustration and divide wasn't as bad as it is now with Gen Z, but the foundation of our current antagonistic gender relations was laid when (later) Millenials were in their youth in the early 2010s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:06 AM
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Women often express smug disdain towards men's low standards, but at the end of the day, they vastly prefer that over men with standards. Whenever men have preferences, standards, boundaries etc. women collectively blow a fuse, no matter how much they try to deny it. And 10-15 years ago, men's "high standards" were considered a systemic issue even.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:32 AM
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Women's reports about household chores aren't accurate anyway. They answer differently depending on the interviewer's gender. “Women report more hours of housework when interviewed by a woman rather than by a man.” “This is not observable for male respondents.” “Social norms play an important role in the reporting of housework hours.” “Therefore, gender gap estimates based on face-to-face interviews should be interpreted with great caution.” https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00181-024-0…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:26 AM
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What? Modern gender relationship discourse is chock-full of grotesque double standards and hypocrisy to women's benefit in a culture that is entirely dominated by women and their sensitivities? No way!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:54 AM
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Except when men want non-overweight women. Or non-promiscious women. Or younger women. Or foreign women. Or traditional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:51 AM
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Deal, but only if you tell women to stop blowing a fuse when men have and express their own preferences/standards as well, e.g. men wanting non-overweight, non-promiscious women or men dating younger or foreign.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:50 AM
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Man, was no one on this freaking sub alive and conscious in the late 00s and early 10s? We literally had the same discussions regarding romantic issues with flipped genders back then, i.e. women bitterly complained that men had too high standards and were unjust and cruel towards non-perfect women. And then women banded together and used all their socio-cultural power to promote "realistic views of women", especially in entertainment, and to shame men for their standards/preferences. And it's st…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:25 AM
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Made me spill my coffee out
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:24 PM
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You're 100% correct, I edited my comment to reflect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:35 AM
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If I told someone on PPD 10 years ago, hell, 5 years ago, that Cambridge University would publish a paper that basically calls for state-mandated AF/BB cuckoldry, no one would have believed me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:38 PM
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Women get more leeway, freedom, wiggle room and safety nets in pretty much all facets of life, but especially in everything related to romantic and sexual relationships. The desirability gap, the "women are wonderful" effect and women's strong in-group bias are the main causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:15 PM
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The standards aren't the problem, it's women's tendencies to... ...lie about those standards and pretend they're low ...baselessly accuse an absurdly large amount of men of not only being unattractive but evil somehow ...consider being harsh, insulting and cruel towards "low value" men empowering or some sort of righteous retribution even ...act like massive hypocrites and blow a fuse when men also express preferences/standards for women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:21 AM
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It all comes down to this modern misandrist narrative that an arbitrary and absurdly large amount of men is irredeemably horrible in an objective and moral sense, especially those who are single. The vastly superior single women are just keeping away from those horrible men, which is considered reasonable and empowering. Another part of this narrative is that women bitterly "fought" for this "right" over the recent decades and that they were "forced" to be with aforementioned terrible men due to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:13 AM
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"Patriarchy" discourse is completely useless because feminists are fundamentally dishonest and switch between definitions, i.e. "men control everything" vs "general gender roles", depending on whatever suits the debate best. It's basically a gigantic Motte & Bailey argument. And the fact that no one calls them out on this obvious bullshit just shows how much cultural power they have in the West, which, ironically, also undermines their true stance regarding the "patriarchy", i.e. "women are powe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:57 AM
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When men say they were lied to by the media, they're not really referring to movies or TV shows, they are instead referring to the news media. It's all of that. Plus family, friends, education etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:26 AM
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Wanting sex to remain a major part of a relationship is not inherently horrible or abusive. To a lot of women, it is. They really hate male sexuality that much and are getting more and more comfortable sharing that opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:23 AM
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Just straight up bigotry at this point. "All/most men out there are potential rapists, abusers and slaveholders" is not a valid stance to debate, it's hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:16 AM
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Young people don't even know what trolling means anymore, the term is too abstract. Hence why they call it "ragebaiting" now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:49 PM
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Yeah, this is post is just the usual sealioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:47 PM
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Have you considered what that might be in response to since it comes along with the rise in social media? Or social media sends women into a spiral of fear mongering and doomscrolling and now you have an insanely prejudiced view against men due to sheer selection bias and systematically blowing things out of proportion, ignoring the vast majority of completely harmless men and constantly assuming the worst from men. Which is the exact same mechanic by which modern racists work in the age of soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:34 AM
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The timeframe and hypocrisy are also issues. That inherent bias in favor of women has increased (artificially) manyfold over the last decades while any sort of expectation or return from women's side was deemed "sexist" and abolished.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:11 AM
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Why wouldn't the average woman think herself way superior to men? Our entire western culture facilitates that belief. We're overdosing so hard on the "women are wonderful" effect, it's slowly turning into female supremacy. It's a common and uncontroversial opinion among younger women nowadays that an absurdly large amount of men out there are not only smelly and ugly but exploitative, perverted, conservative and bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:05 AM
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They want to abolish men dating abroad, dating younger, paying for sex and even the anti-porn movement is heavily driven by this sentiment. Hell, you could even add 4th feminists crusade against scantily-clad women in video games to that list. A lot of people, mostly women, really want "unworthy" men to have zero sexual oppurtunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:27 AM
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Feminists will just deny that they succesfully reduced the social acceptance of approaching women with romantic intentions. Which is weird because it ought to be a huge win for them. Maybe it's because admitting that feminists have power and influence ruins their "we are powerless and oppressed" shtick.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:07 AM
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I'm not sure whether this incessant pearl clutching is a deliberate debate tactic or if they're really so paranoid. I mean, taking away women's rights to choose men is not in any shape or form a realistic scenario in Western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:58 PM
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But it's always the same reaction. PPD guy: Here's how and why dating sucks for men PPD woman: So you want to take away women's rights to choose Like a broken record
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:48 PM
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I dunno if it's deliberate obtuseness or if they really think that some niche internet forums are comparable in scale to an entire political, hugely influential movement which revolves around women complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:27 AM
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Everything to keep up a world view built upon these 3 principles: Women are wonderful Just world Male hyperagency Thus any romantically struggling man must be lazy, evil or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:28 AM
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We don't know this. Society should be trying to play with the cultural and environmental levers to make the genders more attractive to one another if pairing rates are going down. Note, this does mean that we should stop blaming individual women who don't seem to desire any of the men that they can land. Cultural influences are not undone easily by the individual just because you can intellectually convince someone that their standards are unrealistic. This. Speaking about the current situation.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:16 AM
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It's insane how many people here think "this subreddit and incels are men complaining therefore it's equal" is a valid retort. Women have an entire political, hugely influential movement revolving around their complaints. Men have a few internet forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:12 AM
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Because many women fight over a few men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:07 AM
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And it involves a lot less financial transaction and labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:06 AM
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Very important point that this sub really mentions not often enough. Women dominate our cultural discourse in the west, especially when it comes to gender relations and stereotypes. And women freely (ab-)use this power to constantly reframe their own behavior as great, empowering, just etc. and men's as toxic, harmful, primitive etc. Even (or especially) if it's the same behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:05 AM
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And since we (West) consider individualism a virtue, women fight this notion tooth and nail.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:32 AM
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The inconsistency is part of the all. Modern progressives require you to be inconsistent because their entire world view is based on judging attitudes, words and acts based on a select few traits of all involved parties. In essence, they put people into a "hierarchy of discrimination" and then systematically apply the "punching down/up" metaphor. One major example: being a strong LGBTQ supporter is absolutely required to be part of the progressive crowd. However, if you then choose to criticize …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:11 PM
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This. And the claim that women's resentment and disdain towards men is a reaction to men becoming right-wing/conservative is also ridiculous. You could maybe make a case for Gen Z men being more conservative, but 4th wave feminism and its widespread resentment towards men started with Millenial women in the late 00s and early 10s and their fellow Millenial men were/are super liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:00 AM
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Yes and among that low-status, low-class environment it's a sign of high status, relatively speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:55 AM
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They call it misogynistic because it attacks the women's (self-)image of moral superiority, including non-superficiality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:53 AM
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Imagine if people of both genders refused to date boozers, potheads and other drug users.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:38 PM
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Red and Black pill attack our (Western) cultures' narrative of women being morally superior, especially in romantic contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:36 PM
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Never heard that. Instead, I heard that Gen Z copies a lot of AAVE. Do you have other examples of Gen Z copying queer slang?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:13 PM
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There are even studies which suggest that the man's attractiveness/masculinity is an important aspect for women's orgasm intensity and frequency as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:11 PM
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Women's general neuroticism is one huge reason for the orgasm gap. As is women sleeping with men whom they are not properly attracted to. But of course, we're living a culture which always blames men and doesn't hold women accountable for anything, thus it's completely normal for the orgasm gap to be solely blamed on men being inconsiderate and inept. And it's also normal for such a culture to still put the blame on men when it's them who cannot orgasm with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:08 PM
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Do you really expect a female issue to not be blamed on men in 2026?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:04 PM
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"Goon" is just the Gen Z internet word for "fap", which in turn is the Millenial internet word for (male) "masturbate"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:03 PM
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This. They just cannot see men "win" in any romantic/sexual context.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:19 AM
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Tattoos are so popular with women because they show that you're "trendy" and "with it" while also pretending you're unique. In lower class circles, they also show wealth/status.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:16 AM
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Guy is really tall though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:08 PM
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It's a nefarious combo of the male gender role and the general Western, especially American, narrative that "everything is possible if you just work hard enough".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:07 PM
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Lying and gaslighting on PPD? No way!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:04 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1uhxbqz/how_do_ugly_guys_succeed_in_casual_dating/ Another mainstream reddit thread proving that "being an ugly man lowers my chances" is a controversial talking point people fight tooth and nail. It has all the stereotypical responses. "Just be funny" "Just be confident" "I know a guy who's ugly and slays" "OP, your replies show that your personality is awful" For the next time another PPD poster tries the gaslighting tactic by saying that "men's looks ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:13 AM
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A subreddit being 50/50 is not proof it's 50/50 in real life. https://aella.substack.com/p/monogamous-men-in-long-term-relationships https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/cultural-animal/202201/how-sexual-desire-changes-after-marriage#:%7E:text=Over%20the%20first%20four%20or,the%20problem%20in%20some%20cases These sites show that it's mostly men who are dissatisfied with sex quantity and quality in long-term-relationships. Maybe the subreddit is 50/50 because women are more likely to seek help…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:08 AM
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That's because the stat isn't true. https://aella.substack.com/p/monogamous-men-in-long-term-relationships https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/cultural-animal/202201/how-sexual-desire-changes-after-marriage#:%7E:text=Over%20the%20first%20four%20or,the%20problem%20in%20some%20cases Men are much more often dissatisfied with sex quantity and quality in long-term-relationships. It might appear equal because women are a lot more willing to talk about this issue and seek help when they're the one …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:03 AM
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The "marriage = no sex life" jokes are old and very widespread in western culture, e.g. W: Honey, the vacuum doesn't suck anymore! What's wrong with it? H: I don't know babe, maybe it got married."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:58 AM
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"Need" is a strong word. All I'm saying is that tattoos increase your statistical attractiveness as a man. The women who hate them are very low in number, whereas those who like them are very common. It's all about probabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:42 PM
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I recommend every guy who's trying to improve his looks to get tattoos. They show you're trendy and "with it" while being able to present uniqueness. They also signal lower inhibition and can also be a sign of wealth, especially in less affluent circles. It's perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:03 PM
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Pretty women can make a luxurious living from their looks alone, while that's almost unheard of even for the most handsome men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:00 PM
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Yep. Men's height is a unique challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:58 PM
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It all comes down to low neuroticism
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:47 AM
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"Autistic" is very often thrown around in a derogatory manner here, especially against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:41 PM
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it seems like a straw-man. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:41 PM
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Human behavior is very predictable (and controllable). The best example is marketing, a multi-billion dollar industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:10 PM
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It's closer to a mathematical equation than to random chance steeped in just world fallacy, dreamy, quasi-religious romanticism and special snowflakism like our (western) societies like to pretend. At the end of the day, it is easy to determine which traits, be they physical, mental or miscellaneous, are attractive and it's even simpler to determine which are not. It's basically a matter of probability. Example: not every single woman prefers high earning men who are 6'2 and lean muscular, at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:55 AM
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Oh it's not hard to pinpoint, spelling it out just makes women seem carnal, superficial and simple. You know, like men. And that's a big no-no in our western cultures completely overdosing on the notion that women are the evolved, profound, deep gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:37 AM
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Very true. And it's also proof how many women (unbeknowingly) share a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:03 PM
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The fact that those platforms don't work for the average guy isn't an inherent trait of those platforms, it's caused by a systematic issue, namely that women are not even remotely into men as vice versa, simple as that. Apps just make it more obvious and quantifiable. The mystical guy who does poorly on apps and slays in real life is an exception, if not a fabrication. Most guys who do poorly on apps do/would do poorly in real life dating as well. Every year, more and more women consider themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:02 AM
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The entire framing of men not wanting commitment as some sort of moral failing just shows how much male sexuality is demonized and how men are always expected to provide in some way or another. A woman seeking casual sex is liberated and empowered. A man doing the same is considered evil and disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:54 AM
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I agree that falsely claiming you have "no" standards is stupid, as is massive desperation. But I still think that is better than what women do nowadays, i.e. not only having unrealistic, hypocritical standards for men but also often being spiteful and gleeful about it. Also, let's not pretend that society, women in particular, are very tolerant of men who do express their preferences and standards, set boundaries etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:47 AM
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That's a recent thing, though. In the early-mid 2010s, it was a completely normal notion that men are the ones with unrealistic standards for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:38 AM
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Too much recreational drug use, including alcohol, is a pretty easy one that many women fail. Dating potheads, boozers or worse and expecting well-adjusted and responsible adults is dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:15 PM
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Both genders are very dedicated to upholding women's image of moral superiority, especially in romantic contexts, hence why people need a handy excuse why nice guys do so poorly with women. So they resort to a pretty simple explanation: demonizing the guys as "not really nice".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:59 PM
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If I had to guess which man in a group gets the most women without seeing them, only knowing their personality, I'd always pick the lowest IQ, lowest inhibition guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:48 AM
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It is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:38 AM
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I suggest you put up a woman's profile and try to sift through the swamp of shit that is in your inbox. A user here did that exact thing. https://archive.is/v0Rf1 During this ordeal, this slog, I did get one (1) "wyd" message but got nothing inappropriate, nothing sexual. Every man was very respectful and considerate of any boundaries I put up. If there were identical female versions of these dudes I'd go out with every one of them except the single dad. I've got a lot more messages going on but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:35 AM
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Their only defense is the arrogant and delusional notion that some absurdly large proportion of men on apps are objectively terrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:56 AM
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Yes, hypothetical and entirely in your control. No one forces you date lazy men nor to be a stay at home mom or whatever. Imagine if I insisted on the woman paying for the first dates because I expect to be the breadwinner for us both in a future relationship. Quite ridiculous, right? So why do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:42 PM
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This is a pretty interesting hypothesis. Lots of Blue Pilled advice has this undercurrent of "there are tons of options out there for you, you just don't take them", although that's very untrue for most men (nowadays) while it is true for women. Then again, I still mainly think the Blue Pill world view is shaped by our western cultures' deep-seated belief that women are inherently and all-encompassingly morally superior, which means, in this context, their standards for men only revolve around w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:33 PM
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Dating women is fun because they use completely hypothetic future scenarios to justify their entitlement to men's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:23 PM
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The mental gymnastics to justify this blatant case of entitlement and selective traditionalism are truly insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:19 PM
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Personality and social skills are important to your overall attractiveness, though you're kinda right in the sense it's got quite little to do with good morals. What "good personality" really means is a combination of low neuroticism and high competence in high-status areas of life, e.g. career, handiwork, arts etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:01 PM
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Lack of neuroticism and competence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:47 AM
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I never said anything about considering women's preferences evil or, hell, making them illegal. What I wrote is merely a description of current dynamics. But it's not like your reaction is unexpected. PPD women very often automatically misconstrue any description of current dynamics into some sort of call for action to women's detriment. But, seriously, no one is taking your rights away to choose men on whatever criteria you want. Quit the fucking paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:42 AM
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Even here on PPD, I think anecdotes work better than statistics on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:10 AM
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Our western cultures have decided that women are the noble gender whose standards for men exclusively revolve around wholesome, reasonable and easily fixable characteristics. Thus any man who is romantically unsuccesful is assumed to be exceptionally lazy or morally rotten. Essentially a toxic mixture of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and a healthy dose of "men gotta pull themselves up by the bootstraps" mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:35 AM
1

A lot more than women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:28 AM
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Every time someone tries to make the case that women have it as hard as or even harder than men in dating, it's always built on this delusional, arrogant and misandrist assertion that an arbitary and absurdedly large amount of men out there is objectively and irredeemably horrible, e.g. dirty, lazy, perverted, lying, manipulative, vicious, misogynist etc. It's also automatically asserted that equivalent women barely exist. Basically, the "women are wonderful" effect on steroids. And it's absolut…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:36 PM
10

Women attack men for virtually any expression of their sexuality, because they generally simply hate male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:33 PM
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Yeah, this. Women literally started a crusade against attractive fictional (!) women in entertainment media in the early 2010s and expect us to believe they don't hate male sexuality, especially unattractive males' sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:30 PM
1

Depends entirely on the sum
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:20 AM
1

In my experience the 1,80m is as important as the 6ft standard in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:38 PM
1

I'm from Germany as well and men's height is considered an absolutely critical part of our attractiveness as well. I have been rejected for being 1,72m as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:51 AM
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I have had the dubious honour to share a resort with many British people. I can say with full confidence that I have seen zero fat man, thin woman couples below 30, but at least ten fat woman, thin man couples. Looks hypergamy is getting out of hand and any woman who claims they have it hard or are held to strict beauty standards is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:02 PM
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Men's obsession with women often devolves into all sorts of pathetic behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:12 PM
2

Still, the larger the attractiveness gap in your favour, the better the relationship for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:54 PM
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Talking about your dating preferences is acceptable in a variety of contexts, women do it all the time, and asserting that men only do it in wrong ones is as much as a baseless assertion as saying men always do it in a disparaging way. All those assertions are excuses to keep on judging men for having and stating dating preferences. It's not limited to n count either. I remember a Reddit thread specifically asking about our dating standards and I have responded I prefer I untattooed women. No in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:28 PM
0

It doesn't, not nowadays. Women just don't like sex as much as men, especially if there's no further benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:03 AM
5

Funny how "everybody's entitled to their preferences" flies out the window when it's men who have said preferences, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:44 AM
0

People definitely look at you funny when you neutrally state that a woman's body count is important to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:43 AM
2

The ever changing definitions of patriarchy, especially by feminists, is completely intentional. It's basically a giant Motte and Bailey argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:09 AM
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Me too, my local patriarch will hear of this!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:05 AM
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Yeah, well, shaming high n count men doesn't work. Women more than make up for it by shaming male virgins though. And by the way, men are still attacked even if only neutrally stating a low n count preference without any insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:18 AM
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The studies also say women are as strict about n count as men, yet people still pretend it's a unique male bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:49 AM
3

I am going to assume this is an honest question First mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:37 AM
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At the end of the day, women only want attention from high value men at the right time (basically requires mind reading). The rest should fuck off and be quiet. Since they cannot openly state that, it's all this contradictory BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:41 PM
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They literally invented the term "trauma dumping" as an excuse for it. Women's conscious, rational parts think that men opening up is desirable, progressive, healthy etc. But their instinctual part recoils in disgust. How to solve this conundrum? Just blame the man for "doing it wrong". Claim victimhood by saying he burdened you with his emotions. He "dumped his trauma on you". It's so effective because it plays exactly into feminist victimhood narratives and keeps up women's image of the morall…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:21 PM
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Every discussion about the so-called "patriarchy" needs a definition of the term because feminism plays so much Motte & Bailey bullshit with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:18 PM
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Yes, the average woman actively considers herself above the average man. Hypergamy and female supremacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:16 PM
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That's the narrative being vehemently pushed back against. It's fundamentally untrue and even this culture didn't always believe it. It was only very recently that people were allowed to be openly shallow about their dating preferences and then proselytize about it. I'm not sure about that. Our western cultures have linked men's status in society to his ability to have and provide for a woman/family for a long, long time. Eternal bachelors have always elicited distrust, dislike and disdain. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:51 PM
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Isn't it funny how all those "there are no good men left" arguments always casually imply that the amount of "good" women dwarfs the amount of "good" men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:45 PM
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It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment because he asked himself the very same question. He basically proved that women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should be a mandatory read instead of being suppressed by biased mods. https://archive.is/v0Rf1 During this ordeal, this slog, I did get one (1) "wyd" messag…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:34 PM
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Why is this so hard to believe that women are more selective in mate selection? Because some people absolutely cannot admit that men may have it harder in even one facet of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:31 PM
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Men feeling bad about their appearance, especially the genetic aspects, not only violates sensitivities of our (western) culture, it's also offputting on a subconscious, instinctual level to the vast majority of people. People strongly dislike neurotic men who, to put it short, worry about things too much. Men worrying about their height and/or resorting to artificial concealment/enhancement measures are considered insecure and pathethic. Our societies are still pretty conservative about men's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:02 AM
1

Absolutely abysmal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:22 PM
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Women always excuse that withering disdain they have for the male gender nowadays with men "becoming conservative", but even though you could make this case for Gen Z men being more conservative, all this shit started with millenial men already and those are, as a generation, probably the most progressive men to have ever walked this earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:43 AM
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I’m guessing she treats him extremely well I know a dude like this. 6'5, full hair, good face with the only caveats being he's skinnyfat and quiet. His girlfriend looks a bit like Billie Eilish, but obese, with thin hair, high hair line, gummy smile, barely any butt and really ugly tattoos. And hell, he even brings in much more money than her so that she can do a second apprenticeship. Still, they're happy together, she's constantly handsy and both imply she's a real sex demon.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:09 AM
2

I know a woman who chooses books mainly by their cover art and how it'd look in her bookshelf.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:04 AM
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Women's dating "struggles" hinge on the delusional and arrogant assertion that an absurdly large amount of men is physically and/or mentally repulsive in an objective and moral sense, plus that said number dwarfs the number of women of the same traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:16 AM
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That would make women seem callous, can't have that. People are still absolutely obsessed with women's image of being the noble, deep, romantic, empathetic, what-have-you gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:24 PM
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It's a mix of both and they amplify each other. Biologically, women are a lot pickier than men and have less incentive to partner with men when provision/survival etc. doesn't necessitate it. The average man leaves women lukewarm at most and is mainly chosen for his utility and comfort. But there is a cultural layer of arrogant disdain, paranoid fear and stark hate towards men that's instilled in modern, western women and it further discourages them to partner up with men. Women are directly tau…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:18 PM
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Man I hate current male fashion options. It's either the same old baggy Gen Z slop or Mediterranean grandpa beige linen shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:29 PM
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The lonely dangerous man boogeyman needs to be constantly shoved in our faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:21 PM
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That would grant them victim status and would be detrimental to socially acceptable demonize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:20 PM
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Accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:36 PM
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The greater issue is that men are increasingly scared of getting together with women who consider them the safe option or 2nd grade choice and value him for stability, utility and comfort instead of his desirability. And sex frequency and quality, including kinky sexual acts, are a strong indicator of how the woman considers the man in question. It's very similar to how women fear being valued only for their physical desirability and try to take measures against it, e.g. making prospective partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:05 AM
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Because it's taught to us all from childhood onwards in modern, western cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:25 AM
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All studies among western people, especially young people, clearly show that women dislike men way more than vice versa. And yet women still peddle the notion their misandry is "righteous retribution" against "rising" misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:40 AM
2

It doesn't, but sea lioning is a common debate tactic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:14 AM
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Agreed. Our society is still very adamant about men performing traditional masculinity for the most part. The wiggle room in gender roles men gained in the wake of progressivsm is miniscule compared to women's. After all, feminine men make bad employees, bad tax payers, bad soldiers and bad husbands in the eyes of employers, states and women respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:13 AM
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If the roles were reversed and men complained about being only appreciated for a single thing, you'd tell men to improve themselves when nothing else is worth appreciating them for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:40 AM
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Wait arent women always saying how "men's looks arent that important"? The women here on PPD have been slowly moving away from this tenet because it has become absolutely untenable when debated in depth. Their new tactic is now to gaslight men how "looks don't matter for men" has never been a common rhetoric and call any man who believed it a socially-stunted moron, although it's still everywhere only two clicks away in mainstream spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:17 AM
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From this definition being alpha or beta has nothing to do with moral goodness. Only tangentially. As in, the more beta you are, the more "moral goodness" you have to offer, usually in the form of benefits for the woman. For example, someone who constantly lies to women to get sex could be an "alpha" whereas the same person who is more honest might then need more investment and be a "beta". Somewhat true, but it reverses at some point. The higher you are on the alpha scale, the less lying is req…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:45 AM
0

Feminism is a monument to women's disdain and hatred for male sexuality? Color me surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:25 AM
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That's when the typical feminist, who's also a rabid leftist, goes into error loops.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:00 PM
3

Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:23 AM
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What's worse is the absolute rampant shrinkflation and skimpflation since the pandemic. Everything is smaller, contains lower quality ingredients and costs at least the same, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:06 AM
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People seriously overestimate the amount of sociopaths, psychopaths, master manipulators etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:05 AM
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Alpha/Beta is basically a scale which describes how much benefit outside of sexual pleasure you must provide women to have sex. The more emotional support, utility, comfort, entertainment, material and monetary benefits you must provide in order for women to sleep with you, the more Beta you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:50 AM
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It would be fair and just if our (Western) society, women in particular, were completely open and honest about this dating strategy, but they aren't. Instead, they vehemently deny its very existence and ruthlessly attack any man who notices, exposes and rejects this dynamic. And that reaction clearly shows society/women know this dynamic is a terrible deal for men and almost exclusively benefits women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:47 AM
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Women love to pretend the n-count is a gendered issue about insecure, awful men judging innocent women unfairly. Fits the universal victimhood narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:19 PM
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That's exactly why we should call it "neuroticism" instead of "confidence", "extroversion", "social skills" or so as is common here on PPD. All those things correlate negatively with neuroticism, but it doesn't mean they cannot be there. The biggest personality a flaw a man could have (to attract women) is overthinking and being easily affected by negative emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:57 AM
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Yeah, OP focuses on bullying to much. But the general gist remains, being a neurotic man (for whatever reason) is terrible for one's sexual/romantic success. And victims of bullying are definitely more neurotic than average and being more neurotic than average invites bullying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:26 AM
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Being neurotic is a ludicrously strong handicap for men's romantic success. And it's very hard to fix because it has a very solid genetic foundation, plus it's ingrained into you in your formative years. Even after rigorous self-improvement and maybe therapy, this restored (or fake?) confidence remains a fragile construct and can also be sniffed out by some people, which makes them wary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:15 AM
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Yeah, I've been saying this for a long time. Feminists' true stance is that "patriarchy" means "men have too much power", but their public one is that it means "gender roles that hurt everybody". In the end though, feminists' true stance shines through the moment they talk about ways to fight the "patriarchy" because it always revolves around handing women more power and absolving them of all responsibility, especially regarding their own contributions to keeping up (male) gender roles, while me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:13 AM
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Even "landwhales" with kids do better than a lot of men on the dating market
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:03 AM
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The Blue Pill is a very untenable worldview and does not withstand any logical, let alone empirical, examination, thus its adherents quickly resort to deliberate obtuseness, sea lioning, obfuscation, goal post moving, red herrings, semantic arguments and good ol' ad hominems to shut down the debate and declare themselves the winner. The above debate tactics are copiously used by the Blue Pilled posters here and I could link to relatively recent examples of every single one, but mods consider tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:20 PM
1

Sure, not every ethnic German is a giant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:41 PM
4

Lots of taken and older men visit prostitutes, either because they're in a dead bedroom relationship or because they cannot live out their kinks. Also men who travel around a lot, like truck drivers. You occasionally hear of rite of passage things for younger guys, but it's not even remotely a universal experience. Prostitution is kinda what some delusional people still think online dating is: a niche scene for niche people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:38 AM
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Spain is relatively short in general and Germany has tons of male immigrants from shorter countries nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:35 AM
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Have you personally known a woman to get into a relationship with a man they don't find attractive? My own mom treated my stepdad like absolute dogshit because he wasn't attractive enough and because she felt "forced" to marry him because she would have been a single mom otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:30 AM
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The average man gatekeeps precisely nothing nowadays. He struggles with finding committed relationships almost as hard as he struggles with finding casual sex, especially when you exclude transactional relationships where he trades in emotional comfort and financial stability for lukewarm affection or mere tolerance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:26 AM
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Still on a quest of trying to pinpoint stuff all bluepillers agree on They agree that romantically unsuccesful men must be complacent and/or malicious, even if they don't admit it when spelled out in such clarity. But it's the central theme of the Blue Pill aka western culture's mainstream's view on heteresexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:22 AM
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Somewhat agree. The SMP will always be lopsided in women's favor because biology and culture work against men. I mean, age definitely decreases women's SMV and it does seem severe because of the truly insane levels of sexual privilege young women enjoy, but middle aged women still run circles around men when it comes to sex and relationship oppurtunities. The average men's SMV is so fucking low, that aging doesn't decrease it by that much. Especially when you exclude the classic beta buxx scenar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:12 AM
2

The accountability lies in leaving the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:50 AM
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Aren't you tired of bringing up that video clip several times a week in new posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:39 AM
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They'll just claim men always state their preferences in a hostile way while women are always polite about it. Of course it's bullshit, but pulling excuses out of their ass to justify hypocrisy and double standards comes as easy as breathing to modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:10 AM
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Women here always clutch pearls when men tell them to compromise on standards, even if only by implication, yet try so hard to make men compromise. The amount of threads from women telling men they need to settle and accept lukewarm treatment from women in LTRs because they are unworthy of more is getting tiring. Hypocrisy galore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:00 PM
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Women love to pretend that an absurd amount of men are those "master manipulators" and "psychopaths" and "sociopaths" and so on because it absolves them of accountability. In reality, they're not that common at all. But I guess consuming doom scroll and media en masse featuring such men warps your perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:54 AM
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OP really is classic "women are wonderful" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:55 PM
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The better you look, the easier it is to "command attention" and "project enthusiasm and energy". Just look at women. They can either be neurotic and passive or bossy and obnoxious, it doesn't fucking matter, they find and keep men who tolerate or even appreciate their characters easily. Why? Because they are considered attractive. And it's the same shit with men. If you're attractive, you can afford various character flaws. It's just a lot rarer to be sufficiently attractive as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:24 AM
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In part it's a deliberate switch of tactics. The classic "looks don't matter, just be yourself" Blue Pill has become a very untenable position in discussions, the stats, data, experiments and anecdotes to the contrary have become too overwhelming. But instead of conceding in good faith, many Blue Pillers here on PPD switched to gaslighting and now tell men that "looks/money/status" has never been controversial and that this concept has always been openly communicated to boys and men, thus only s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:11 AM
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I love how r short tries so desperately to pander to normies with its "non-toxicity" and "men and women suffer equally from being short" act, yet is simply considered another incel loser sub by the rest of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:21 AM
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When I was lean muscular, it was the only time in my life when a few women perceived me as a sexual being. But yeah, women love the "we don't care about muscles" meme. Because that would be shallow, but women are indeed wonderful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:39 PM
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Yeah, this has become increasingly obvious as well. In recent years, women have begun to share a lot of Red and Black Pill points. Of course, they're worded differently and emphasize women's superiority, but the gist remains the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:42 AM
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For men, clothing and style definitely have some impact, especially if your starting point is really terrible. But, in the end, it's not nearly as impactful as your height, hair, face and body. A 6'2 guy with full hair and a good face in typical baggy, sloppy Gen Z wear will always be more attractive than a bald 5'6 guy with an average face, no matter how stylish he is. And let's not forget that when attractive people dress sloppy, it's often interpreted as deliberate, comfortable, chill and "co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:30 AM
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It's worrying how many women resent men for desiring a regular, healthy sex life in a committed relationship. And this sentiment has become much more common in recent years. Or rather, women are becoming more comfortable sharing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:17 AM
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Make the male teacher a handsome, sporty 25 year old PE type and the teenage girl consenting, it doesn't matter, people still condemn the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:54 AM
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Even the most charitable flavors of feminism have nothing to offer to men other than weird "trickle down economics" applied to gender politics, i.e. solving women's issues somehow solves men's issues as well, as if by magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:12 PM
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why is the ratio so off Because women aren't judged for their height, don't go bald, have a wider and more easily attainable range of attractive body types and can massively enhance their looks with make up and general clothing options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:14 AM
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Why do so many people refer to their own acquaintances by name in conversations with you? You don't know these people and it should be absolutely obvious to the other person. Yet they bring up their "Harry" or "Rebecca" or whoever as if I knew them. A regular person would just say "a friend of mine", "guy I know" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:31 AM
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Way to move the goal posts. We're talking about contemporary western culture here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:38 AM
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Be alone. Dead bedroom relationships are worse than loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:38 PM
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Nah, the pool of "casual sex worthy" men (in women's eyes) is so small, that the dynamic changes and women do start to compromise on their character standards. There wouldn't be so much anger and frustration in female circles about "fuckboys" (Tea app, AWDTSG groups anyone?) and such if that wasn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:43 PM
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Yeah, they have zero reason to drop the hypocrisy because it carries no consequences. Nobody calls them out on it, men still date them etc. Appealing to their morality or sense of fairness is pointless. They'll just pull out some lame excuse out of their ass for any case of hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:36 PM
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You are arguing against a strawman that has nothing to do with the discussion. Virtually nobody disputes that women with shitty personalities still have plenty of success with men, because men are desperate and priorize attractiveness too much. I never saw Red Pillers (or anyone else, really) arguing that only "good" or "nice" women have romantic/sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:35 PM
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You are correct. Attractiveness is everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:30 PM
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Absolutely, but most women think otherwise. Which is also massively hypocritical because women immediately cry foul when they're judged for being sexual, e.g. the body count topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:14 PM
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It's also empirically proven. Women, even in 2026, still prefer men of higher income and status than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:02 PM
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The "Nice guy" stereotype is a typical symptom of a blue pilled society, where men's romantic/sexual success is linked to their moral virtue and work ethic. Thus an unsuccesful nice guy is always painted as a nefarious asshole, while in reality he's usually simply unattractive. While bad apples exist, the stereotype of "nice guys are actually assholes" is blown way out of proportion and spread in women's spaces in order for them to condemn and reject nice but unattractive men without seeming lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:29 AM
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Society and women in particular often sabotage this process by lying about its effectiveness and shaming. And men who are desperate for female approval are likely to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:12 AM
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Looking down on men who are desperate for female approval and display internalised misandry etc. is pretty common in the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:09 AM
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Bi-weekly reminder: both genders are equally judged for too high body counts and men are additionally judged for bisexuality and virginity. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27805420/ Thus, contrary to the idea that male promiscuity is tolerated but female promiscuity is not, both sexes expressed equal reluctance to get involved with someone with an overly extensive sexual history. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15299716.2018.1563935 Results indicated that heterosexual women rated bis…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:24 PM
1

No, women don't "owe" it to those men, but the men have every right and very good reason to question the relationship, their own attractiveness etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:22 PM
7

Women care about N counts too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:20 PM
7

It's criticized a lot less often than men's selection criteria though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:56 PM
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100%. Women won't adress this. Or they desperately pretend it's a "tone issue" whereas men always state their preferences in an insulting way, while women are always polite about it. Yeah, right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:56 PM
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Not only that, our society also constantly moralizes men's preferences, tastes and standards in women. And not since yesterday either. I mean, 4th wave feminism pretty much declared war on "unrealistic standards put on women" in the late 00s and early 10s. Want to date thin women? Body shaming. Want to date younger women? Pedo. Want to date foreign women? Exploiter. Want to date women without ambitious careers? Insecure. Want to date women with low body counts? Toxic. And so on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:54 PM
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Bitchy and naggy women, the typical "Karen" stereotype, are doing absolutely fine on the dating market. Passive, quiet men? Not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:57 PM
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It's insane how common this "men are disgusting for wanting to have a sex life in a relationship" rhetoric has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:28 AM
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Some women demand providers even without having children
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:43 AM
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Since the internet allowed men to share their experiences, on both sides of the extremes. Those who are treated like walking ATMs and comfort providers and those who are treated like gods.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:39 AM
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Yeah, the mods here are biased as hell. They consider it a "personal insult" when you give an example of bad debate tactics by linking to someone's public comment on this very sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:52 PM
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For every woman like you, who appreciates extravagant style in men, there's at least another woman who thinks men like this are "tryhard", "zesty", "gay", "compensating" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:50 PM
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The argument is that women are happily staying single (or "single") whereas the manosphere asserts they're miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:46 PM
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There are studies out there that prove women care about the heterosexual body count of men to the exact same extent as vice versa. Yet they still firmly act like only they are judged for it. You won't get them to acknowledge the hypocrisy in any shape or form. They feel entitled to judge men for their past while being offended when they are being judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:36 PM
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That's a very extreme scenario. I think a much more realistic scenario would be a woman who often and enthusiastically slept with her previous, more attractive, partner (including various sex acts) while sex is both less common and less varied with her newer one because he's less attractive, i.e. "maintenance sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:32 PM
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OP isn't arguing it doesn't happen, he argues that women aren't scared about remaining alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:27 PM
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I agree, lots of Red and Black pillers are stuck in the "old" era gender wars when women still often demanded men to step up, wife them up etc. In recent years however, women have developed an overwhelming sense of disdain and resentment towards men, the reasons not being important for this topic here. What matters is that women are nowadays pretty happy staying single, with occasional flings, even well into middle age.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:23 PM
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Agree. But it's completely okay for men to end a relationship over that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:50 PM
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I see more chubby girl/fit guy couples nowadays, especially younger ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:07 PM
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Women don't put as much importance to men desiring us because we have generally lower libidos, not because we're spoiled with aboudance It can be both, you know. Being found unattractive by large swathes of the opposite gender hurts regardless of gender, libido etc. I mean, women do complain about beauty standards placed on them all the time, especially in the past. And in individual cases, women take being rejected due to unattractiveness very badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:03 PM
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Yeah, it's odd. Considering their "safety concerns", women are very often proponents of all sorts of "lax on crime" policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:57 AM
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Yet women justify their hatred for incels by accusing them of being (potential) criminals. Odd, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:56 AM
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You simply lack the empathy to imagine 1. men's higher sex drive and 2. the very real risk of being found sexually unattractive even to women who want a relationship with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:16 AM
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3) is "just world fallacy" and "women are wonderful" bullshit. Women have a way easier time looking good because their beauty is mostly based on easily malleable physical traits, whereas most male beauty standards are based on genetics (height etc.) and are only fixable by plastic surgery, if at all. Plus men have a wider range of tastes and a higher tolerance for flaws. Personality-wise, most men simply tolerate a much wider range of traits in women than vice versa as well. Most women would hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:09 AM
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Be it just world theory or women are wonderful effect. It's a very toxic mixture of both. Plus a healthy dose of classic male gender role ("pull yourself up by the bootstraps").
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:03 PM
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It's the logical result of a world view where women's romantic/sexual approval is also considered proof of the chosen party's moral character.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:59 AM
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Well put. I'm old enough to remember the mid-late 00s cultural debates. It was similar to ours, just with switched genders. Women whined about men placing too high standards on them and how being overweight or unattractive woman makes it impossible to find love. Ultimately men listened to the criticism and lowered their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:58 AM
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If you think about it, all men are slt shamed per default. The main emotion behind "classic" slt shaming is disgust, but male sexuality is largely considered disgusting from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:23 AM
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Men also hate women whining - why do you think "where have all the good men gone" triggers such incel rage? And us married guys certainly don't really GAF when we hear it either... I'm old enough to remember mid-late 00s culture and women definitely whined about men being mean to unattractive/overweight women. They whined so much that 4th wave feminism sprang up and one of its first major items of actions was to problematize "body shaming" (against women) and push for "more realistic depictions …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:59 PM
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Linking men's sexual and romantic success to their moral virtue and work ethic is the very core tenet of the Blue Pill (western culture mainstream) world view. Essentially, it's a combination of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and the classical male gender role ("pull yourself up by the bootstraps"). That belief system is so pervasive because it's comforting for literally everyone involved, from radical feminist women to strict conservative men. Even institutions, stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:23 PM
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Women are overall less sexual than men by any metric and their willingness to have sex with men is very often tied to physical, emotional or circumstantial benefit rather than lust. Emotional bonding, relationship stability, childmaking, money, validation, fame, things like these motivate women to be sexual with men at least as much as physical lust. Whereas to men, benefits like the above are completely optional and often times not obtainable to begin with. As an analogy, men tend to see sex li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:20 AM
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Being/acting low inhibition is definitely a good way to become more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:32 AM
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Yeah, this is what always irks me about space invasion movies. If a race has the technology to travel and project force over thousands of lightyears, they sure as hell have the technology to subvert us from afar without getting their hands dirty on planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:31 AM
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It's just another case of blatant female entitlement caused by women's (mostly unconscious) tendency to see sex as transactional, i.e. as something they "give" away and deserves compensation instead of a mutually entertaining pasttime.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:25 PM
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True, the way many women feel entitled to compensation for their time and more importantly sex is really disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:41 PM
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Being allowed to pay bills for a woman counts, right?!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:47 AM
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As is always the case, women will acknowledge biological explanations as long as they paint them as (morally) superior and/or poor victims. But once these explanations are framed in a way that elicits sympathy for men or makes women seem callous it's "evopsych bullshit".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:39 AM
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Nowhere, but it's a really simple way to blame it on men's lack of effort and invites disgust reactions. Manipulation tactic, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:54 AM
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Most women don't like most men on any sexual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:10 AM
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Because it started when Millennials were in their youth. And (western) Millennial men are many, many things but not conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:02 PM
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Can someone show me where women and ‘The Blue Pill’ said: “If you’re nice to a woman, she’ll get super horny, beg for your dick at that very moment.”? Holy fucking strawman. How about you you show us where men expected women to become "super horny" and "beg for our dicks" for being nice? This stupid crass sexualized wording whenever women like OP talk about "nice guys" is just another manipulative rhetoric. Always gotta paint the nice guy as a predatory sex pest. The only thing men expected for …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:59 PM
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Yes, modern feminist culture took women's natural hypergamous and fearful tendencies towards men and turned them up to eleven to create an incredibly toxic mixture of withering disdain, bitter envy, mortal fear and shameless entitlement. It's what you get when you raise girls with the notion they're morally superior and victims of a pervasive male conspiracy at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:04 AM
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Pink Pill is irrelevant bullshit. Blue Pill is western cultures' mainstream view on heterosexual relationships. Central themes are fairness, equality, individuality and morality. It's called the Blue Pill because it works analogous to the Matrix in the same-named movie: a specifically tailored system that makes people comfortable and blissfully ignorant of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:54 AM
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In the movie, taking the blue pill means returning to the the Matrix, a fake reality where people live in comfort and blissful ignorance. It's a specifically designed system, thus not simply "not Red Pill". It's amazing with how much confidence blue pillers talk about the Matrix despite getting everything fucking wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:52 AM
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Because women are extremely arrogant about their own individuality, profundity and general moral superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:42 PM
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It's basically a fancy term for the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality that's demanded from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:14 PM
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In this context, the belief that men's dating struggles are 100% their own fault and that they could fix them easily with a bit of effort. Whereas when women struggle in dating, people are quick to blame outside factors (trauma, men being shitty, patriarchal standards etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:11 PM
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Women are wonderful effect. Male hyperagency.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:03 AM
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Simple. They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:03 AM
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Gender
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:02 AM
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Most advice is safe, it's just that people, women in particular, are overly sensitive about how dating advice for men reflects on women, e.g. telling men to become leaner and more muscular is often considered offensive because it paints women as shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:40 AM
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Women aren't "complex". It's easy to determine which traits in men are considered attractive and it's even easier to determine which are considered unattractive. Of course, some of those traits are genetic, but not all. Gain more attractive traits, get rid of unattractive ones and your probability of being succesful with women rises.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:05 AM
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It's not so much hyperactivity but low inhibition or a (total) lack of neuroticism. I know two short, scrawny (but facially attractive) guys who are unhinged, impulsive risk-takers with little introspection and they do better than fine with women. The thing is, that shit is natural and not learned. They've always been like this and no matter how often life tries to teach them humility, they double down. Example: one guy crashed his expensive car by drifting in winter. Normal people would then be…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:03 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1sotuyf/its_willful_ignorance_on_mens_part_to_think_women/ogvsjre/?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:59 AM
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"Patriarchy" is a gigantic Motte & Bailey fallacy anyway. When you point out all those advantages women and disadvantages men have and how that doesn't compute with a "patriarchy", feminists will just retreat and talk about how it merely refers to "general gender roles everyone suffers from", because nobody could argue with that. But when talking about solutions, it all revolves around handing women more power again.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:43 AM
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Many Gen Z women have this weird mix of pathological neuroticism, feminist neo-puritanism and good ol' misandry. Many people think it's closeted homosexuality, but I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:41 AM
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Thing is, your personality is perceived through your looks. And while the opposite relation exists as well, it's much weaker. Women overlook flaws in attractive men and invent flaws in unattractive men all the time. And yes, men do the same with attractive and unattractive women. The Halo/Horn effect is unisex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:35 AM
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Acting dumb and obtuse is a popular debate, or rather a trolling tactic, by PPD women like above. Another example
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:22 AM
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The idea that video games are some special reservoir of misogyny was always just stupid conceit by self-indulgent hypocrites with their heads so far up their own arses that they're convinced that their personal prejudices are actually profound political insight. It's even empirically false. Video games were 4th wave feminsm's first major point of attack in the late 00s and early 10s, predating #metoo, Title IX and such by several years. They relentlessly attacked gamers and the industry, but, mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:18 AM
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Agreed. Those terms are vague, sciency-sounding tools to shame male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:24 AM
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Great find
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:20 AM
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Well, it does have some impact, especially if your starting point is really terrible. But yeah, it's not nearly as impactful as your height, hair, face and body. A 6'2 guy with full hair and a good face in typical baggy, sloppy Gen Z wear will always be more attractive than a bald 5'5 guy with an average face, no matter how stylish he is. And let's not forget that when attractive people look sloppy, it's often interpreted as a deliberate, comfortable, chill and even counter culture sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:14 AM
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In younger generations, I see women dress like this at least as often as men. The sloppy look is a unisex Gen Z thing born from COVID. Oh and oftentimes, sloppy clothing is seen as "cool" when attractive people wear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:06 AM
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Black Pill, but make it woke and trans
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:09 PM
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More and more women hate objectification/sexualization even by attractive men because of increased neurotic, anti-sexuality, anti-male attitudes nowadays. Look at current fashion trends, it's all baggy and androgynous. Gym fashion is an exception, but women complain about men "objectifying" them in that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:07 PM
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The underlying problem is very simple: more and more men do not keep up with women's increasing standards. Whether the men are either unwilling or unable to is debatable. After all, both sides have a vested interest in blaming the other. Men claim women have become arrogant and hypocritical, whereas women claim men have become feckless and vile. That's basically the modern gender divide in dating in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:26 PM
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The real reason why the male gender role is still so rigid is because our societies all in all greatly benefit from or even depend on men performing traditional masculinity and women in particular also prefer it in their romantic/sexual choice. Less traditionally masculine men make worse workers, worse soldiers and worse husbands in the eyes of employers, states and women accordingly. Feminism will never admit that because they view "patriarchy" as a great conspiracy created and maintained by me…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:17 PM
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teehee I love that my bf is depressed because he doesn't want to sleep with me anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:42 AM
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I made a thread on another subreddit asking how poly men handle the power gap of the woman having a much easier time finding new men to sleep with in an open relationship, especially when you're an average to below average looking guy like me. I made the post out of genuine curiousity, but I noticed how many posters vehemently denied that looking average or below as a man lowers your chances of finding women, which brought me back to PPD. The replies proved that "men's looks matter" is still a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:35 AM
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Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 09:30 AM
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But the way she frames it makes it a moral failing in men because they "don't add value" or, implicitly, are even detrimental to women's life quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:15 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/dhx0fr/short_men_are_gross/ Old PPD was something else
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:08 AM
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Women and men are free to have any standards they want. Anything else is not enforceable and the mere notion to do so is ridiculous. However, people with high standards have to deal with others judging them for being shallow, overly harsh or hypocritical, especially when they constantly demand things from potential partners they themselves do not have or fulfill. And while it naturally goes for both genders, I think women are much more guilty of this compared to men. It's not really the high sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:36 AM
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Yeah, I'm 33 and this shit is killing me. People here really forgot how our entire culture hounded men for (allegedly) having high (beauty) standards for women and considered it a social crisis. Hell, feminists succesfully changed our entire media landscape to push for "more realistic depictions of women" because of that. Now the shoe is on the other foot and they basically tell men to fuck off and rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:28 AM
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Yeah, like, their main dating woe (not finding "any" man for LTRs among their many, many options) is built upon the assertion that a ridiculously large percentage of men is grossly unattractive, chronically dishonest and/or comically evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:19 PM
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The framework you speak of is held up by women in at least equal parts, if not more. One major aspect to this is women's firm assertion that male loneliness is caused exclusively by men's moral failings and not women's increased demands for superficial qualities. As long as men's loneliness is seen as a result of them being lazy, childish, maladjusted or evil, they will continue to be treated accordingly and thus be desperate or even agressive for romantic/sexual success so that they're treated …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:12 PM
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Well, it's the usual. Women attack men for their preference, men try to justify it and everybody ignores the fact that an aversion to high n count partners is pretty much unisex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 01:49 PM
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Most abusers and criminals are pretty dumb and show off their malicious tendencies openly. The "master manipulators", "charismatic psycho-/sociopaths" and such are way less common than people think. It's just that those archetypes are extremely overrepresented in crime-based media (which women love), plus women often ascribe those labels to any sort of men they had any sort of quarrel with to excuse their own bad judgement or to play down their own role in said quarrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:37 AM
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The real news is how women here react to this "revelation". Their shock and disgust just underlines how much they hate male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:33 PM
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and you can look no further than any dead-bedroom situation; especially since the numbers are getting more eve The numbers aren't even, it's just that women are much more likely to come out and talk about suffering from a dead bedroom than men, because women are generally more comfortable seeking external advice with such things and, in that particular area, are much less likely to be blindly blamed and shamed than men. Generally though, it's more common for men to be dissatisfied with quantity …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:50 AM
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More than enough blue pilled people tell you that fitness doesn't matter due to some general "beauty is on the inside" stuff or because "women don't like muscles".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:48 AM
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Unselected men must be painted as evil. It's the just world fallacy, women are wonderful effect and male gender role rolled into one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:21 PM
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That women are completely free to judge and avoid promiscious men as harshly as men allegedly do promiscious women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:50 AM
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As always, it’s okay for men to sleep around because they need “experience”, but if women do it they’re hoes/sluts. Nobody ever blames a woman if she avoids men who sleep around (aka womanizer/jock types). On the contrary, people congratulate her for being reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:46 AM
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Just world fallacy 101. If you so much as wonder about why your virtue doesn't yield results, it voids said virtue already.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:44 AM
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It certainly is funny to watch the "hurr durr freeze peach" crowd suddenly discover free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:42 PM
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Women see sex as transactional, no matter how hard they try to deny it. Thus anytime the expected rewards aren't received, women scream foul.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:31 PM
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Men worship all sorts of "unorthodox" female body traits as well, it's just that women don't find it flattering but weird, disgusting and objectifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:58 AM
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Female sexuality mirrors men's when met with sufficiently attractive men as well. It can even devolve into problematic behaviors, e.g. simping, recklessness, stalking, sexual assault etc. you normally associate with male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:56 AM
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That's not a widespread expectation among men. It's like saying all women expect a 6'4 athletic banker making at least a 100k.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:47 AM
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Strawman bullshit. Men's expectations are at an all-time low. Most women make zero efforts to be attractive to men, some even actively try to repel them, and still drown in so much male attention they regularly complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:45 AM
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I'm from Germany and many German women have hard number requirements as well, for example the infamous 6ft become 1,80m.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:43 AM
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Everything
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:47 PM
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it's just a preference, sweaty
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:06 PM
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The female dominated mainstream culture simply doesn't want men to have any form of leverage or power in the dating market, including having preferences, standards and boundaries. Same reason why men who date younger women, date foreing women or even enjoy fictional women too much are shamed. It's all a fucking power play. They want men to stay in their lane and that lane consists of misery, desperation and submission.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:03 PM
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You interpret some completely made-up bullshit into a meme that literally says "it's not your looks" and completely fail to understand the point of the study I linked to, i.e. that women dramatically understate the importance of men's looks when asked about their dating preferences, although they even made a fucking graph comparing stated vs actual preference. Oh and you simply completely ignored the other PPD' posters' compilation of examples. Are you acting obtuse as a debate tactic or are you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:00 PM
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Do women put "no short dicks" in their dating profiles? No, but they certainly put "no short men" in their dating profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:36 PM
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Again, everyone, every blue piller has always known that looks are important. "Women's attraction is not as virtue based as people pretend" is false. No matter how much people like you try to gaslight us men, "men's looks matter" has been considered crazy talk up until very recently and still raises more than few eyebrows in more mainstream spaces, including real life. Big compilation: https://archive.is/CYwOJ Here's another example, a highly upvoted post on /r/memes: https://np.reddit.com/r/mem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:34 AM
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Being considered an asshole, creep, predator just for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:17 PM
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Straight women exist, but they just feel so much disdain in various forms towards men, that it doesn't seem so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:33 AM
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Well, the guys I know do have good faces. But they're also short and very thin and if they were neurotic, they'd probably be your typical struggling video game nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 08:09 AM
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Yeah, women are freaking paranoid pearl clutches about this. You simply state an observation about female behaviour on the SMP and they immediately think it's a call for action to forcibly change that. I'm not sure whether it's general neurotic paranoia or deliberate obtuseness to discredit the observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:50 AM
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Yeah, pure projection. It's women who feel entitled to control men's romantic and sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:48 AM
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Yeah, this is always baffling me. Women are at the political forefront of "soft on crime" policies. Not only in the US, but Europe as well. They're also way more supportive of mass migration of young, single men from (very) conservative cultures, the most dangerous demographic there is. It's just leftist victim hierarchy bullshit that women gobble up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:14 PM
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Modern women's view of men is built upon ridiculous levels of neuroticism, devolving into paranoia, disdain and sheer hate. Feminist culture is absolute brainrot at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:13 PM
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The first link says there is virtually no difference Yeah, when it comes to high n counts. Add women's unique dislike for low/zero n count plus bisexual men and boom, women are overall harsher about sexual/romantic history than men, despite acting like they're the only ones being unfairly judged for that. Second link 404 btw Fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:11 PM
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Don't even have to reach that far to obesity, we can stay on dating. Dating was considered unfair to women in the mid-late 00s, mainly due to harsh beauty standards, and our western societies saw that as a legitimate social problem to be tackled. And look how incredibly succesful hat has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:05 PM
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Yet at the same time people, women in particular, constantly tell men to work on and improve themselves to finally earn companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:04 PM
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It works for women because it works for women. No, seriously, people listen when women complain and try to change shit. I'm old enough to remember, in the mid-late 00s and early 10s, dating was considered unfair to women, mainly due to harsh beauty standards (or so they claimed) and it was considered a social issue to be tackled, e.g. by pushing representation of "more realistic" female bodies in media and by shaming male shaming language.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:02 PM
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It also fails to account for the very anti-social and specifically anti-male environment that has been created for boys and men in the last 10 to 15 years. Third spaces disappeared, socializing happens mainly online, boys and men are heavily discouraged from approaching girls and women, every interaction can be recorded in an instant and young people are also less likely to drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:59 PM
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Bi-weekly reminder: both genders are equally judged for too high body counts and men are additionally judged for bisexuality and virginity. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27805420/ Thus, contrary to the idea that male promiscuity is tolerated but female promiscuity is not, both sexes expressed equal reluctance to get involved with someone with an overly extensive sexual history. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15299716.2018.1563935 Results indicated that heterosexual women rated bis…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:53 PM
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I admit that being naturally low inhib as a guy can compensate for flaws in looks to great extent. I know two short, scrawny (but facially attractive) guys who are unhinged, impulsive risk-takers with little introspection and they do better than fine with women. The thing is, that shit is natural and not learned. They've always been like this and no matter how often life tries to teach them humility, they double down. Example: one guy crashed his expensive car by drifting in winter. Normal peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:47 AM
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Tattoomaxxing as a guy is legit. Tattoos still have a (faint) edgy image, despite even the most bland and basic people getting inked nowadays. They're "safe edgy", the perfect kind of edgy to impress women. They're relatively expensive and can be a sign of money and status, especially in less affluent circles. They signal that you are "trendy" and "with it". Social conformity (being "normal") is attractive to most women, despite them often claiming the opposite. Many women have tattoos as well a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:40 AM
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Just like convicts have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:45 AM
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They repeat and preach that socially awkward and/or less attractive men act exactly like the desirable fuckbois they want. It's become a mantra at this point. Basically a variant of the "sour grapes" argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:15 AM
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There already is, "Horn effect"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:20 PM
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Yeah, it's a joke. "Agreeable" and "tactful" are not what comes to mind when thinking of modern, western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:51 PM
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why wouldn't women too? Because women swear up and down they want men to open up emotionally, then get disgusted when it happens and after that blame men for that by accusing them of tRaUMa dUmPiNg to keep up their image of progressive virtue and eternal victimhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:45 PM
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Even a thoroughly disagreeable, untactful woman in dire need of therapy has way more sexual and romantic options than most men. Explaining women's massive desirability privilege by them being morally superior is thoroughly delusional, but actually absolute blue pill core ideology. Thanks for spelling it out, I'll make sure to link this post when people start arguing about the definition of blue pill again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:43 PM
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Going abroad to date is fine. Women who try to shame you into not doing it just don't want men to gain any leverage on the dating market but want them to stay struggling and miserable. They just hate men, especially sexually unsuccesful ones, that much. It's not just passport bros. Pretty much any measure men take to gain even a slightly better position on the dating market is met with ceaseless shame, ridicule, anger etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:35 PM
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Yet even western women prefer men with higher income.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:30 PM
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If you reword virtually any Red Pill and even Black Pill point in a way that doesn't elicit sympathy for men and makes women not seem callous, e.g. by turning them into the passive party, they happily nod along. One example: Women don't find most men attractive. Angry denial, because it makes women shallow and cruel. Most men aren't attractive enough for most women. Happy agreement, because it makes women seem superior and men the defective ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:53 AM
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Women linking morality to looks? No way, they wouldn't do that!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:47 AM
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And "chopped" means average
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:35 AM
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Absolutely true. There's a reason why so many men struggle while a handful clean up. That wouldn't be the case if women's tastes were wide and varied.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:26 PM
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They repeat and preach that socially awkward and/or less attractive men act exactly like the desirable fuckbois they want. It's become a mantra at this point. Basically a variant of the "sour grapes" argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:00 PM
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They understand They like it They want to keep it that way
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:59 AM
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This is a basic truism disguised as some grand insight. Obviously nobody willingly enters a relationship with a person who makes life worse. And yeah, women have way higher standards for that. Water is wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:17 AM
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More like men have to compete with the FWBs, sneaky links, situationships and fuckbuddies of a "single" woman
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:16 AM
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Women's sense of "romance" is just an elaborate form of bribery because most men by themselves are not sufficient prizes for a woman to stay committed and especially to have sex with. There's a reason "romance" basically boils down to "men doing shit for women".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:30 AM
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who and where are the men that men should idolize? Their dads, uncles and older coworkers of course, who are stuck in unhappy, dead bedroom marriages or are ruined in messy divorces. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:06 AM
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Yeah, even in*el-adjacent subs on Reddit mostly mock Clavicular and do not talk about Tate at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:53 AM
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There are outliers and exceptions everywhere, but overall physical and mental traits can be ranked very easily according to their general attractiveness. And I think it's especially true for male traits because women are less varied in their tastes, contradictory cultural narratives notwithstanding. Though I agree that distilling it into a definite score is difficult and reductive. It's better to think of it as a matter of probability. The more statistically attractive traits you have, the more …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:32 PM
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Hell, women will call a 30 year old man who doesn't fit their sensitivities "man child" and still get upset when he dates a 20 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:19 AM
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This. Women are ridiculously harsh about men's looks and their definition of "average" is completely distorted. One easy example is when women call a non-dehydrated pro bodybuilder's physique "dad bod" and feel all magnanimous for liking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:04 AM
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Women need to look attractive, men need to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 06:14 AM
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I wonder if those type of behaviors are more common than we think. I'd argue that's the primary reason for women's widespread disdain towards men who use artificial means to increase their attractiveness, e.g. shoe lifts, plastic surgery, hairpieces etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 06:12 AM
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I can agree with that. With all else equal, being sociable, confident, outgoing etc. is more attractive than the opposite. I just take issue with people saying that (truly) good-looking men absolutely need a good personality to keep women around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:23 PM
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Your personality is perceived through your looks and the better looking you are, the more personality-related flaws you can afford. The Halo/Horn effect is well-researched and proven. I mean, pretty much nobody denies that women with lackluster personalities, e.g. combative, bland, egoistical, childish, neurotic, incompetent, stingy, greedy etc., still easily find relationships, because men find them attractive despite that. So why isn't it the same with men? Why do attractive men still need som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:05 PM
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Definitely one reason, but not the only. Another is that women have a much easier time obtaining sufficient money and social status on their own, not needing men for it. What's left? Looks/eye candy/raw sexual attraction. Another is that modern feminism is quite vindictive and encourages women to be picky and mean about men's looks as some sort of "just retribution".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:45 PM
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They want medium bodycount men. Enough "bodies" to be properly pre-selected and prove neurotypicality but not womanizer/jock territory, though that's still much better than zero. Optimally, women want men who have the potential to be womanizers/jocks but chose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:39 PM
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When talking about men and dating, a "good personality" means neurotypical and low neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:36 PM
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Women are heavily criticized for what they like in men First sentence already a fucking lie. Nobody but a small handful of men on fringe corners of the internet criticizes women for what they like in men. If women were oh so heavily criticized for their preferences, they wouldn't be so openly proud and smug about it. Women post their laundry list of demands onto social media and their OLD profiles. It's men who are lambasted in mainstream media and culture for having "toxic" preferences and stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:32 PM
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I agree, it's benevolent sexism to think women are morally superior people per default.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:29 PM
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For women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:16 AM
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Only a tiny minority of men reach bodies that are so shredded to be off-putting to a majority of women. Women who use too much make up (in some men's eyes) are a lot more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:14 AM
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Neutral
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:13 AM
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A lot more than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:58 AM
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The guys you call uncs grew up with the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:33 PM
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Looks impact personality and the perception of it much more than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:25 PM
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No matter how much women try to gaslight us, "men's looks matter" has been considered crazy talk up until very recently and still raises more than few eyebrows in more mainstream spaces, including real life. Big compilation: https://archive.is/CYwOJ Here's another example, a highly upvoted post on /r/memes: https://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/1dubtn5/this_counts_for_everyone/ And here's a study https://www.kaggle.com/code/jph84562/the-ugly-truth-of-people-decisions-in-speed-dating, specifical…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:20 PM
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Yet belief systems which emphasize that men's looks matter to women, red and black pill, are treated as loony conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:02 PM
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And Debby likes 6 foot tall Chads who read
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:23 PM
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Not the trickle-down sexonomics 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 09:30 AM
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Me myself, no, but society really tries to shame virtually any expression of male sexuality as crude, repulsive and harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 07:30 AM
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Hell, women themselves red and even (or especially) black pill guys out there, especially in the last 5 years or so. Just look at the influx of women telling sexually unsuccesful men to basically consider themselves genetic dead ends, give up the chase and stop bothering women. That's pure black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:38 AM
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Yeah, I immediately thought of the "patriarchy".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:35 AM
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Who are also most likely the ones to complain about not feeling safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:25 AM
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Their entire behavior doesn't indicate a real concern for safety either. Most women are against arming themselves, don't take self-defense classes and constantly vote for policies that are lax on violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:17 AM
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Oh wow, the massively privileged party is not interested in hearing the complaints of those who are not? Who woulda thunk!?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:14 AM
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Let's not pretend that telling a woman you're dating to dress better would go over well with her and other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:12 AM
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Perpetual bachelors have been met with ridicule, distrust, disdain and anger since way before the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:24 AM
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I agree, but society also needs to change by not seeing perpetually single men so negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:31 AM
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Women are more of a monolith than men. Men are more varied from another in most traits, both physical and mental.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:41 PM
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Or a "pick me"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:39 PM
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If I was on the market now, my biggest problem would be that I need lots of alone time and breathing room in relationships, meaning I would prefer more casual arrangements, but I'm really not attractive enough for those and 33 already.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:39 AM
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With nice, progressive men in touch with their emotions, of course. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:52 AM
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Just like a free, unrestrained economy, a free, unrestrained sexual market creates a handful of shining winners and lots of abject have-nots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:50 AM
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They also cry about "power gaps" although they never tell what an old guy can do what a younger guy can't. Nor do they care about real power gaps like attractiveness gaps, intelligence gaps, education gaps, skill gaps, money gaps etc. Hell, most women have a massive attractiveness/desirability gap in their favour and could cheat on/replace their male partners in very short order. If that isn't a questionable power gap, how could age be?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:42 PM
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Being neurotypical and non-neurotic are great advantages for dating, although carries higher diminishing returns compared to looks. Average personality + good looks yields better results than great personality + average looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:06 PM
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"Responsive desire" is just a flowery word for the transactional part of female sexuality. You could also call it "bargaining stage".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:19 PM
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Great point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:43 AM
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Taking offense when men date younger is just one aspect of a general disdain that many people of both genders, though women in particular of course, feel about male sexuality and expressions of it. Men dating foreign women, men having strict standards about anything, men gathering together to discuss sexual strategy, hell, even men enjoying porn too much causes very similar offense. It's just disdain for male sexuality disguised as moral concern. The thought process behind it is that men need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:17 PM
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It's insane how women think they're magnanimous by being into a body type that requires a very specific and long-term exercise and diet plan. And it's even more insane when they then turn around and mock you for "obsessing" over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:30 AM
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Why do people still absolutely insist that an attractive guy needs a good personality to have long-term success with women? This whole "good looks only get you through the door" thing. I think nobody argues that lots of women with bad personalities (mean, lazy, entitled, neurotic, dumb etc.) still easily manage to have long term relationships. Why? Because their men are attracted to them. So why should it be different for attractive men? The notion that a man's good looks alone could not possibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:27 AM
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Great post, saved. I'm a later Millennial guy (1993) and relate a 100%. I grew up with the idea that romantic/sexual attraction is a moral issue and it was expected of you to make an effort to be fair and equal about it. And society clearly said women are already like this per default while men need to be taught so. But the answers to our experiences will just be the usual gaslighting how that never happened. But hell, even nowadays men are still mocked and met with anger if they are found to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:15 AM
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None
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:06 AM
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Men struggle because women have a superiority complex, as this post clearly shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:56 AM
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We shouldn't call it "patriarchy". Don't play feminists' manipulative word games. A more precise term would be "traditional gender roles". And yes, women massively enjoy the parts that benefit them and violently reject those that do not. Nothing new. It's up to men to not let them get away with this BS, but too many men are too desperate for female approval and too comfortable in their roles, even if benefits and reciprocity barely exist anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:18 PM
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Bi-weekly reminder: both genders are equally judged for too high body counts and men are additionally judged for bisexuality and virginity. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27805420/ Thus, contrary to the idea that male promiscuity is tolerated but female promiscuity is not, both sexes expressed equal reluctance to get involved with someone with an overly extensive sexual history. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15299716.2018.156393 Results indicated that heterosexual women rated bise…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:03 PM
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It already is the norm. The thing is, only a tiny minority of attractive men qualify for this treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:46 PM
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Looks aren't a simple binary pass or no pass. With every point on the looks scale, you can afford more personality flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:42 PM
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Tons of handsome men fail at attracting women Hate to be that guy, but do you have anything to back that up? Because in my life experience, handsome men can afford to have a wide variety of personality-related flaws and still attract women. I mean, it's the very same with women themselves. They're considered more attractive per default and that's the exact reason why they can easily attract men even if they are neurotic messes, act like assholes and/or are total underachievers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:36 PM
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Gaslighting us that "nobody" ever told us that looks don't matter for men is just the newest tactic because keeping up the lie has become impossible. The people who write this shit sang very different tunes not five years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:35 PM
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The internet sells that as a way to get women though. It doesn't teach real self-reliance but an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:49 PM
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Leg bone length > dick length
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:13 PM
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"You must love yourself first before you find love" is calender quote bullshit. Tons of people who struggle in life not only find partners, said partners also help them get their life back on track. And it's not gendered either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:12 PM
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It's the default blue pilled world view, in particular: "Women are wonderful" effect Women are great people per default and are thus arbiters of virtue for the chosen party. "Just world" fallacy Bad things happen to bad people, good things to good people. If you struggle romantically, you must be lazy, evil or otherwise deficient. Classic male gender roles Pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Don't be a coward. Quit whining. Do or die. Systematic issues are not considered valid excuses for men fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:59 PM
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Emphasis on try
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:43 AM
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They know. And they're very happy about it. And they're very anxious to keep it that way. And they're very dedicated to denying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:40 AM
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Yup, agree a 100%. Dating apps just exacerbate the underlying problem, namely that men are way more into women than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:55 AM
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If we listened to women, then being sane, tame, non-sexual is enough to be successful on online dating because, apparently, all other guys there are perverted gorillas and women desperately wait for a good guy. Spoiler: being good and nice doesn't help on OLD. Anecdote time: I got way more matches after I uploaded a dreaded gym mirror selfie, which all women swear is a great sin.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:51 AM
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When has this sub become a playground for asexual women? The amount of "sex is bad" topics from female posters has skyrocketed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:27 AM
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Harder, but not remotely as hard as women claim. Then again, maybe it is if 80% of the opposite gender (in your age bracket) repulses you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:55 AM
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Men's complaints about such issues will always be policed more strictly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:17 PM
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They even agree with it in different contexts, i.e. "I only see an attractive man once a year" or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:15 PM
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2009.00570.x The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was partners' physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:34 AM
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Too many. Strawmen, slippery slopes, handwaving statistics/studies without bringing any on your own etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:31 AM
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Eh, I think that scenario is old school, pre-internet blue pill. But yes, the Blue Pill definitely changes over time, simply because it reflects the mainstream view about sex/relationships in western societies. And yes, it means that more and more Red and even Black pill points creep in because Gen Z and younger simply are more Red and Black pilled than previous generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:15 AM
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The Blue Pill describes the default narrative regarding (hetero)sexual relationships in western cultures. In essence, it says: women are good, wholesome people per default and are thus attracted to good, wholesome men. Thus if men struggle romantically, they must be lazy, vicious or both. Contradicting cases are brushed off as exceptions and caused by trauma, manipulation etc. Finer points change over time, i.e. the current Blue Pill has a lot more Red and even some Black stuff in it than 10, le…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:14 AM
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Black Pill rejects self-improvement as pointless, while it's an absolute corner stone of the Red Pill. The Red Pill also places a lot more importance on character and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:59 AM
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https://archive.is/CYwOJ
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:40 AM
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Noticed this too, though it used to be different. But nowadays, even (or especially?) most female regulars here are Red or even Black pilled, even if they don't admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:31 AM
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Attractive men have their pick of the litter on dating apps As do women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:28 AM
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Define privilege. Because both very attractive women and very attractive men can find more partners, both for sex and relationships, than a human being could possibly need. Maybe very attractive women have a slightly harder time finding equally attractive men for committed relationships, but that's it. And when it comes to using looks to make a living, women are still way more privileged. Not even extremely attractive men can use their looks to extract resources from women as easily as women, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:26 AM
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Why did you tag yourself Purple Pill Woman? You are more black pilled than most in*els.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:23 AM
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"Sorry, but I gotta keep your 5'6 ass out of the gene pool for the good of humanity."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:22 AM
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And for this reason nature blessed men with the ability to feel attracted to and turned on by less attractive women as well. If I was an attractive guy, I would much rather get with a less attractive woman because she would truly appreciate me, make lower demands and be less likely to cheat. Especially since I can easily find conventionally unattractive woman attractive and because she'd be more willing to try to become more attractive for me specifically. I've seen this dynamic in real life. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:19 AM
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Just one more example of the desirability gap between men and women. Men gotta pay and court and jester for a woman to tolerate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:52 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:10 PM
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Women dating younger men from other countries (usually in Africa or the Caribbeans) does actually happen, but hardly anyone knows about it because it produces no moral outrage. On the contrary, in the rare event that mainstream media cover this topic, the women are often framed as victims because the younger men only want money and citizenship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:18 PM
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So classic "rules for thee, but not for me" then. Men should have their dating policed while women can do whatever they want. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:09 PM
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Every day, I'm more and more convinced that this sub has become a cesspool for (nearly) asexual woman to air their grievances about men putting greater emphasis on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:07 PM
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This means no rolling back on women’s rights, no limiting the individual rights and freedoms of others, no moral and social policing, no enforcement of laws How about we start levelling the playing field by not policing men's dating behavior? Because men who "step out of line" in the dating market definitely get shit for it in a way that women don't nowadays, e.g. men who date foreign, date younger, visit prostitutes or men who have "problematic" preferences like low body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:01 PM
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This "empathetic gender" thing is mostly just a PR stunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:09 AM
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The irony about the post is that is mostly women who tend to say that dating is fair Until men date younger women. Or foreign women. Or lie to get sex. Or sleep with drunk women. Or reject women due to their weight. Or enjoy fictional women too much. Or create single mothers. Then OP's free market radicalism is over and men need some good ol' intervention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:29 PM
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Funny, isn't it? Women spewing Red and even Black Pills as some sort of "grand insight" because it's worded a bit more favorably towards their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:28 PM
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The worst thing is, the moment life, including dating, is unfair to them, it's an injustice that needs to be adressed by society, culture and politics even. Hypocrisy galore, as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:53 AM
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That is true. Which makes it twice as weird that women get so freaking livid about the very few guys who not only care but also act upon it with rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:10 AM
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Studies suggest women care at least as much, if not more, than men about prospective partners' sexual history. https://np.reddit.com/r/psychologyofsex/s/PVRobRtKco
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:19 PM
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The term “retroactive jealousy” is seeking to pathologize a normal human response to the reality that people want to be among a woman’s most satisfying sex partners. Especially considering that it's gender neutral. Despite common stereotypes, women do care about men's count of ex-partners as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:14 PM
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Which is ironically also much more likely to be had from a woman who's physically into you. The relationships I outlined above though tend to be one-sided affairs. I've seen first hand to what length women go for attractive guys, even at their own expense. And how much resentment they can hold towards a man who's outlived his usefulness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:46 PM
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Try to become more attractive, remain alone or knowingly enter a relationship with a woman who sees him as useful only
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:44 PM
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Just because she won't have casual sex with you doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you. That is a valid point, but men do need a way to verify that attraction. I haven't found the perfect way either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:57 PM
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Entering a relationship with a woman who only values you for comfort and utility is a recipe for an unhappy life as a man. One-sided effort, resentment, dead bedroom, cheating, divorce, you name it. All that is much more likely to happen if you're not attractive but merely useful to your girlfriend or wife. One could argue whether or not quick sex is the only valid indicator of proper physical desire from women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:54 PM
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I always knew OP was sort of asexual due to her open resentment for men wanting sex. Now it's basically confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:51 PM
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When women say it, they really just want romantically struggling men to fuck off. When men say it, it's usually some weird survivorship bias bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:18 AM
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If dating success is your main goal, then yes, being yourself is often a hindrance. And holding out, hoping that some unicorn woman will appear is futile more often than not as well. Then again, it's entirely possible to cultivate more attractive traits without losing your genuine personality. And it's also possible to let more of your genuine self shine through once you are in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:04 AM
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This is a recipe for staying alone forever for the vast majority of guys. For them it's not enough to just be themselves and act genuine because their genuine self is unappealing to the vast majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:58 AM
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At the end of the day, our western cultures just want to keep up three narratives, a) women are morally superior to men, b) relationships are an overall fair and merit-based affair and c) men can achieve anything if they put their backs into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:08 AM
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Her not getting a handsome, rich guy who's entirely asexual until she's ready is the reason why she's posting the same crap for 7 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:22 PM
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This. The real red pill is that women have it incredibly easy to find proper relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:20 PM
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To counter the usual "all men on dating apps are sleazy assholes seeking sex only" drivel that is bound to be spouted by PPD women in such threads: It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment and basically proved that women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should be a mandatory read instead of being suppressed by…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:50 PM
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Let's call them flat queens
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:30 PM
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I'm not sure the world can adapt to masses of men leading solitary lives, happy or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:20 PM
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Great analogy and much more accurate than the misandrist, arrogant "swamp" bullshit But as with all analogies, too many people are mentally incapable of understanding them or they deliberately misunderstand them to make bad faith arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:16 PM
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Women here regularly tell us that wanting your girlfriend or wife to be physically attracted to you as a non top 20% man is an unrealistic standard we shouldn't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:38 PM
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Ask your local patriarch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:26 PM
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There is no point to your post except "men standards bad, women standards good".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:25 PM
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This is some reversal of reality bullshit. In mainstream (western) culture, it's much more common for men's standards to be criticized by women (and some fellow men) than vice versa and that has been going on for quite some time. And now that a tiny handful of men on the internet do the same to women's standards you immediately lose your shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:13 PM
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Now watch as PPD posters will claim this has been "common knowledge for ages".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:54 PM
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Sure, random chance is a factor, but overall it's pretty clear which traits and behaviors are conducive to sexual/romantic success and which are not. At the end, it's a matter of probability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:52 PM
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Stop trying to get women to emphasize with men in dating struggles. They are both unwilling und unable to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:43 PM
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In relationships, emotional love grows much more easily from physical desire than vice versa. And a lack of physical desire often leads to resentment, especially if that lack is one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:30 AM
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There have been tons of surveys and experiments done on online dating and they all paint roughly the same picture. Some focus on specific aspects. Match rate men vs women: https://www.swipestats.io/blog/tinder-statistics Physical attractiveness in general: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451958824002124 Baldness: https://medihair.com/en/tinder-experiment-bald-vs-hair/ https://www.tag24.com/guide/love/hair-today-gone-tomorrow-tinder-test-shows-how-bald-men-fare-in-online-datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:15 AM
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Women dish out tons of Red and Bl*ck pilled stuff as long as it can be used to underline female superiority and kick down on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:14 AM
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Do you think male or female Redditors are more "deviant" compared to the general populace? I mean, Reddit is not a mainstream media platform and the men do lean nerdy, leftist etc. But overall, the women on Reddit seem particularly, let's say, unique. For instance, the dead bedroom subreddit is 50:50, although all statistics and surveys clearly state that men are much more likely to be dead bedroomed than vice versa. Or in all those venting subreddits, there are so many stories of women being th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:22 PM
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We know. But when we say that and what that entails, people get angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:47 PM
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Men don't seem to be very succesful at humbling women, given how they act nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:45 PM
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Women spend so much time getting ready and money and entire industries are built by Men's preferences Current female fashion and beauty trends have absolutely nothing to do with male preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:05 AM
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That is a pretty good comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:54 AM
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Or maybe we don't take fucking Reddit as the benchmark. Edit: @ /u/TermAggravating8043 I don't know why the subreddit about this topic is so evenly split, could be some mod bias, could be Reddit demographics, but it's not an accurate representation of real life. Here are sources on how sexual dissatisfaction in long term relationships is mostly a problem men struggle with: https://aella.substack.com/p/monogamous-men-in-long-term-relationships https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/cultural-anim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:51 AM
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Physique inflation has become insane and the wide usage of steroids, especially by false "natty" influencers, doesn't help. And the result is that many people are completely clueless about the gym and how much effort it actually takes to look remotely muscular, despite being so popular nowadays. Not only in the gym, but the kitchen as well. And I think it's really noticable in women, e.g. when they call a built guy's body "dad bod", when they acccuse any man who takes weight lifting somewhat ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:22 AM
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Many women are in relationships with men they are not fully, viscerally attracted to. They are primarily in it for comfort, utility and social standing. And that is the main driving factor behind women's sex drive falling off a cliff after that comfort and utility are secured in the relationship, also known as dead bedroom. There's a reason why drops in female libido are connected to certain commitment milestones in relationships, like cohabitation, marriage and childbirth. And of course, you wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:06 AM
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I think it's mostly nature and culture just uses different methods and frameworks to express the bias in favor of women. And ironically, it can even lead to practiced misogyny. Even cultures like (very traditional) Islam think they do women a favor by covering them up and keeping them in the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:00 AM
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Classic case of It's not happening Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal It's a good thing, actually People freaking out about it are the real problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:54 AM
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And when women say it, you always gotta keep in mind how warped their perception of the attractiveness of men and women are. They see an average guy with an average girl and go "omg why do I always see UGLY dudes with GORGEOUS women?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:53 AM
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Absolutely, lots of times, "be more confident" actually just means "be more normal".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:45 AM
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Imagine the anger if men rejected women who wear make up for being "insecure" if being average height or above was considered a deep flaw in women if men had strict, measurable size requirements for women's breasts if the tightness of a woman's vagina influenced her attractiveness significantly, became gossip topic among men and "loose vagina" became a widely used slur, including mainstream media and movies. if the only body type considered widely attractive on women required a meticulous gym an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:55 AM
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We could try teaching women that a shredded 6'2 banker with a 6 figure salary is an unrealistic and toxic standard, the exact same way men were taught that wanting slim bombshell blondes who are sluts on command is also unrealistic and toxic. Of course, women's selectivity has a very solid natural foundation, but there is a thick layer of culturally taught harshness and disdain towards men which is sold as "female empowerment" and "just retribution" for men's (alleged) wrongs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:48 AM
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But Blue Pillers always say that those women are exceptions and that if man in question did X he would finally meet the mythical "real women" who would appreciate his kindness. The shallow, cruel women are also usually excused by being victims of manipulation, trauma or "patriarchy". But if that doesn't fly, the Blue Pill also has no issue throwing them under the bus completely, e.g. by calling them "bullets dodged" when a man was (harshly) rejected by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:42 AM
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The real issue with "just be confident" is that confidence is not a switch you flip in your brain with some effort, it's a muscle trained by positive reinforcement and has a very significant genetic foundation as well, more precisely natural neuroticism levels. And people know and acknowledge this in all other contexts, except sociability and dating in particular. Hell, it's even gendered. A woman who feels unconfident due to a lack of success is consoled and people try to build up her confidenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:38 AM
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Partially agree. Single mothers aren't "great", certainly not to a higher extent than other women. And being a single mother does make dating harder compared to being a childless woman. I do however agree that single mothers do a lot better on the dating market than lots of Red Pillers and other members of the manosphere think and that most do even better than average (childless) men. The desirability gap in favor of women, aka their dating privilege, is almost impossible to exaggerate. Thinking…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:32 AM
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But this mindset means blue pill advice is very limited in what it can solve and if you've done all the "right" things and you're still failing then blue pill has no more answers. It has, namely that you either try too hard or not hard enough. Or, rather, that your thoughts are still "impure" and that women "smell" that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:25 AM
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That said in this case I'm not sure how it can be proven, Well, it also cannot be proven in this thread because our esteemed OP and likeminded posters will either ignore or dismiss any definition or analysis of the blue pill you bring up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:20 AM
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Fully agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:11 AM
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And leagues don't exist and anyone can want what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:06 AM
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But it shows how modern, western women tend to think about men very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:50 AM
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Of course not, but sometimes people need to vent. And while women are very free to do so, e.g. bemoaning beauty standards, men's behavior in dating etc., men are not. When they complain, it's much more likely to be used against the man in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:08 PM
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Red and Blue pills do have commonalities and that is one such, though the precise content is different. Red Pill tells you to lift and get your money up, Blue Pill tells you to go to therapy and become kinder and more feminist. Both tell you not to complain but go do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:52 AM
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The blue pill refers to mainstream western cultures' view on heterosexual sex and relationships. At its core, it's a mixture of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world fallacy" and traditional gender roles for men to not complain and not take a victim stance but take action. One core tenet of it is, for example, playing down the importance of men's looks, money and status and overemphasizing the importance of kindness and other wholesome personality traits to attract women. Which perfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:33 AM
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Ideology is a stretch, especially since it's not really conscious. But it definitely is a pretty specific set of beliefs revolving around strong biases in favor of women, strict male gender roles and a naive belief in a "just world".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:55 AM
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Absolutely. Mainstream (western) culture, which blue pill refers to, definitely plays down the importance of men's looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:09 PM
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He's not strawmanning, You're gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:04 PM
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Porque no los dos?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:02 PM
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Absolutely agree and acting like the blue pill is not a pretty specific set of beliefs is nothing but a cheap debate tactic. At the end of the day, the blue pill refers to mainstream western cultures' view on sex and relationships. At it's core, it's a mixture of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world fallacy" and traditional gender roles for men to not complain but take action.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:01 PM
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What? The pill doesn't grant superpowers. It just means choosing to live the life of a rebel in the real world. Perhaps you are referring to that brain interface thing they use to teach characters fighting skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:59 PM
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Same. I love analogies, but too many people lack the capacity to understand them or just act in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:37 AM
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Yeah, they want men to have the correct socially acceptable amount of partners that shows they're desirable and pre-selected but not womanizer jock types. Their most optimal male partner would be a man with the potential of being a womanizer jock.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:31 AM
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There is no need for anecdotes or feelings, we have studies on this topic. https://np.reddit.com/r/psychologyofsex/comments/1pk6wcb/kinsey_institute_researchers_find_fewer_than_half/ Being a male virgin (and admitting that) in your mid 20s cuts your dating pool roughly in half from the getgo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:30 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/psychologyofsex/comments/1pk6wcb/kinsey_institute_researchers_find_fewer_than_half/ Being a virgin male (and admitting that) in your mid 20s cuts your dating pool in half from the getgo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:29 AM
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/u/SeemedGood literally said it's hard to fake and that OP should find real ways to excel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:27 AM
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Why would that change? He's aging and might be able to be betabucks with his nice ways in his 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:26 AM
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Don't see how that contradicts me. I never talked about which scenario is more common. I fully agree with you, in 90% of cases it's the "classic" scenario I've written about in my second paragraph, i.e. men "buying" something resembling desire from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:58 PM
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Just as delusional as thinking that weight is a good counterpoint to height. There is no female equivalent to male height.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:02 PM
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This. Seems like a very theoretical topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:51 PM
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What kind of advice are we even talking about? If it's dating advice, women have hardly any need for it anyway and if they do, they tend to specifically go to other women for advice. Overall, this topic seems kind of irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:35 PM
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Of course, women always trying to preserve their image of nobility and humility, i.e. their in-group bias, is a commonly cited reason for men to not listen to their dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:30 PM
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Women desire attractive men just like men desire women in general. When women meet men they are truly attracted to, their behavior mirrors that which we commonly see in men, including negative behavior like simping, getting exploited, harassment, stalking, assault etc. Meanwhile the "attraction" women have for average and below men is a complex system of incentives, social expectations and access/exposure. And since incentives and social expectations for monogamy are becoming weaker and weaker e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:56 AM
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Mine as well, back in 2019. If you listen to women, a gym mirror selfie is some great sin, but my matches skyrocketed (relatively speaking) after I put those up. Bitches be lyin'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:38 AM
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Don't forget how huge gym culture among men has become, how inflated male physiques are nowadays and how male gym attendance perfectly correlates with the popularity of social media and online dating starting in the late 00s. And that physique inflation also causes women to have hilariously unrealistic perceptions of male bodies. Many women think that working out once or twice a week half-assedly and drinking a protein shake here and there yields men a body like this, this or this. Hence why ton…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:36 AM
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Women after receiving a tenth of the shaming for their genitals men receive 🥀
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:27 AM
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A great example of the "women are wonderful" effect clashing with reality and creating error messages in peoples' brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:54 PM
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Then again, there is no huge oppurtunity gap in a gay open relationship since both parts could find other men for sex quite easily. Whereas in heterosexual open relationships, the woman will always have an immensely easier time finding others for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:52 PM
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They really don't know what it's like to have a much higher sex drive while at the same time being considered inherently sexually unappealing by the vast majority of the opposite gender unless you're exceptionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:11 PM
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Would you tell OP the same, then? After all, women are at least equally free to date whoever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:09 PM
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What's with your obsession with ugly guys? Ugly guys don't get sex, they're not part of this particular conversation. All I'm saying is that your "everybody's entitled to their preferences" and "dating isn't about deserving" shtick sounds good in theory, but women really tend to not apply it to themselves, e.g. by getting mad when men only want sex (it's their preference), when men want to date low n-count women (it's their preference) or when men want to date younger or foreign women (it's thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:02 PM
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Women are less sexual than men, anything else is delusion and wishful thinking. They can match men's libido in intensity, but only when a lot more conditions are met. Transaction is also a cornerstone of the female sex drive, despite their protests. In regards to the hobbies you mentioned, women want to feel attractive and desired without it turning sexual, especially when unattractive men are involved. Even romance novels do not really revolve around sex and its mechanics but being desired by a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:53 PM
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Red Pillers thinking that women are becoming sad and desperate because their shitty behavior caused swathes of "good men" to leave the dating game is also a revenge fantasy. I'm just saying that I think women are overall quite happy with the state of dating in 2026, their complaints notwithstanding (we are talking about women after all). They are not missing the guys who quit dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:48 AM
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Hope you take this mindset to heart when attractive guys only want sex or when men date younger/foreign.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:42 AM
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The underlying problem is simply that men desire women more, both qualitatively and quantitatively. That means men won't just collectively decide to upgrade their standards at the risk of remaining alone. But even if they did, women won't respond by lowering their own but by staying single. Women's entitlement and high standards are also not only caused by men enabling them, but fellow women and the associated modern feminist culture teaching them it's "empowering" and "just retribution". Not to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:32 AM
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The guys who are becoming invisible are the type women don't want to see anyway. I think we've really reached the point where most women are rather relieved than alarmed by men not approaching them anymore etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:23 AM
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Yeah, forbidding the topic of looks on a subreddit whose purpose is to talk about gender relations in dating is like a politics subreddit forbidding talking about the economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 07:14 AM
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Feminists are simply trying to keep their "oppressed women" narrative alive. Hell, many already moved on to wholly subjective, vague bullshit like "emotional labor".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:45 PM
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Every week? More like twice every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:51 PM
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Gender roles, held up by both genders, still dictate that men must not complain and that they need to fix their issues themselves. Women in particular are additionally completely unable and unwilling to critically examine their body standards for men, because they're convinced of being the morally superior gender. Modern feminism also discourages them to share victim status with men and also teaches them that being harsh about men's bodies is just retribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:49 AM
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It rather feels like she is (almost) asexual but also very (egocentrically) romantic and resents men for not fulfilling her strange fantasy of an attractive man falling head over heels for her without ever thinking of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:10 AM
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We shame men for wanting sex, we shame men for being open about wanting sex, we lock sex away behind the relationship paywall, we make paying for sex illegal in a majority of instances, we shame men who trade money for sex where it is legal... We also shame men for dating younger women, dating foreigner women and even for masturbating to porn and sexy video games in front of their computer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:07 AM
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It's especially evident when women dish out red or even black pill points and other women happily agree, yet blow a fuse when a man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:05 AM
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I only blame her when she falsely accuses all men being like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:54 AM
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So, if an average woman wants a rich, handsome, tall guy who's only infatuated with her, it's her prerogative. If an average man wants an equally average woman to desire him both emotionally and sexually it's "unrealistic". The more you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:48 AM
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Because women refuse to acknowledge they only go for attractive men and then lash out at all men, e.g. going on social media and bemoaning how ALL men are trash and want want sex only. Oh and when it comes to "liking attractive men" it's because women and society constantly plays down the importance of male attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:45 AM
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The attractive men who use dating apps, go to clubs etc. are the ones who are more likely to treat women as disposable. The ones whose morals are strong or who simply have no huge desire for having multiple women are in LTRs and marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:37 AM
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It's a classic theme here and pretty much all other spaces talking about modern dating. Women liberally admit all sorts of red and even black pill points, as long as they're framed in a way that makes women seem superior somehow. And, of course, they agree much more easily if other women dish them out. It's not about the message, it's about how women feel about it. Very quick example: "Women find most men unattractive" -> angry denial, because it makes women seem shallow and cruel. "Most men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:12 AM
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Probably part of physical attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:36 AM
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Either both genders must be expected to inhibit their biology for something socially, ethically and culturally more beneficial or none. The way it works nowadays however is to constantly police men's sexuality and biology while women's is entirely liberated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:23 PM
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Plus, they don't take their own advice. If they can't get what they want, it's an injustice and they feel justified in lashing out and trying everything in their power to obtain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:56 AM
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"Just shave it off bro, being bald is no big deal bro." https://medihair.com/en/tinder-experiment-bald-vs-hair/ While 254 women out of a total of 394 matches wanted to get to know the brunette Christian, only 30 were interested in the bald one. In addition, the 29-year-old with hair received 19 messages from interested women, whereas the balded Christian got only six. 88% match rate loss by baldness. https://www.tag24.com/guide/love/hair-today-gone-tomorrow-tinder-test-shows-how-bald-men-fare-in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:09 AM
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Blue Pill doesn’t really have strict rules or a set belief system It does, namely that men's romantic and sexual success is a function of their work ethic and moral virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:35 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/truerateme/comments/1qyxhcs/rate_me_now_18m/ He needs to nichemaxx for artsy girls. He needs to make sure to stay skinny and he needs to do everything, I repeat, everything to keep his hair. Would you consider John Santoyo (an actor) as good-looking despite having neoteny features? (PSA he's currently 21 yrs old, including these pictures I've provided.) : r/trueratediscussions**** Similar. He needs to lean into his pretty boy thing, keep his hair and keep lean.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:33 AM
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Well, intelligence also correlates with income, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:29 AM
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And all this is, issentially, a toxic combination of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" male gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:29 AM
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Yes, male sexuality bad, we get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 05:46 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451958824002124?via%3Dihub Researchers have forwarded many attributes that boost (or impede) dating success, but rarely quantify their relative importance in real dating scenarios. Here, we observed matching decisions of hetero- and bisexual online daters to isolate the simultaneous effects of targets' physical attractiveness, height, job, intelligence, biography, as well as selector X target homophily. A conjoint analysis of 5340 “swiping” dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:17 PM
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The real death sentence is to have neotenous features as a man, plus going bald. Absolute catastrophe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:12 PM
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And people say it's men who lack empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:58 PM
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I know, right? It's like saying that online shopping doesn't influence retail stores or that streaming services don't influence movie theaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:56 PM
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If you define "holding frame" as being "non-neurotic", it's really important, especially for men. Showing you're easily affected by negative emotions is a big turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:12 PM
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Online dating works absolutely fine, it's the underlying market imbalance that causes so much frustration. For both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:11 PM
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It's Morbin' time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:07 PM
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To be honest, I think quite a few women would feel the same way if the male teacher in question was young-ish and conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:05 PM
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What do the terms "patriarchy", "toxic masculinity" and "rape culture" have in common? They are terms copiously used by feminism yet whenever someone tries to argue against them, feminists deny the terms' literal meaning and redefine it to something watered down and much more easily defendable. "Patriarchy?" "Oh that doesn't mean we are literally ruled by men, just that harmful gender roles for both genders exist." "Toxic masculinity?" "Oh that doesn't mean men are toxic per default, just that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:02 AM
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Love how most women here vehemently deny it's about attractiveness, although it's literally proven that the man's attractiveness very much influences women's orgasm frequency and intensity. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513811000250 Women reported more frequent orgasm during or after male ejaculation when mated to attractive men—those with high scores on a principal component characterized by high observer-rated and self-rated attractiveness. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:15 AM
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Yes, the vast majority of her posts consist of yelling at men for caring about sex so much. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:52 PM
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But making 69 posts 69? Cute. OP has been at it for seven years and made hundreds of posts all saying the same shit. Hell, she might have passed the four digit mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:36 PM
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The blue pill aka western mainstream view on romance is basically a combination of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and traditional male gender roles. The result? Women are considered good, mature, hard-working people per default and seek men of equal virtue. Thus men who are sexually and romantically unsuccesful are automatically assumed to be lazy, stunted or morally evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:13 AM
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Because it's a lazy excuse to dismiss it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:14 PM
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Knowing that I would be a pretty attractive woman while being an unattractive man is hard. My slightly below average height would be zero issue I would not have gone bald Me being slightly overweight with thick thighs, wide hips and big butt would be considered a plus by many My face is decent already, with make up it would be 9/10 (inb4 "just use make up as a man lol", fuck off) I'm not too lazy to dress up and would outshine lots of women by not wearing oversized zoomer shit and sneakers all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:55 PM
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Doesn't matter if it's just a mild preference, a strict standard or a pure fetish. All is fine to have. However, the way many women act about them is not okay: straight up lying about their standards and preferences acting like they are more lenient than they are accusing men who do not meet superficial standards as evil or lazy blaming their superficial standards on the "patriarchy" blowing a fuse when men have and vocalize preferences and standards as well Men do that too sometimes, but it's m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:28 PM
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"Trauma dumping" is mostly an excuse modern women came up with to solve the cognitive dissonance in their heads, i.e. their conscious parts are convinced that men being emotional and vulnerable is positive and progressive, however their unconscious part recoils in disgust from such men. In order to keep up their facade of progressiveness and virtue, the man is blamed for "doing it wrong" and "unfairly burdening her", which also seamlessly fits into our pervasive feminist victimhood narratives as…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:21 PM
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Cooking has a huge skill ceiling, true, but the basic and intermediate stuff is very easy and if you can't do that it's a pretty sure indicator of ignorance and laziness. I am genuinely a talentless, impatient ret*rd with no frustration tolerance who struggles with lots of basic tasks, but even I still manage to be a decent amateur cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:18 PM
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Music is music, dating is dating. I don't think voice is that critical when it comes to attraction, but it is a factor, especially when you go to the extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:15 PM
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So men who embody traditional masculinity can't be functional adults? What kind of bullshit framing is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:13 PM
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But women vehemently deny they see sex as transactional/as a reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:09 PM
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Yep. It's always some variation of "men put too much emphasis on sex and that's disgusting". For seven fucking years. I mean, lots of women think that way to some extent, but her case has spiralled into some very bitter resentment, for unknown reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:59 PM
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Definitely seems possible
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:27 AM
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He's also tall and conventionally attractive in a masculine way. His "femininity" is shallow as a puddle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:15 AM
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Glad I took a break, is it still once a day? Sometimes more
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:02 PM
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The core theme is very simple, Lilith is unable and unwilling to relate to men and the emphasis they place on sex. And while most women thoroughly lack empathy in that regard, her case has degenerated into bitter resentment over the years for unknown reasons. She's been at it for seven years and made hundreds of topics basically yelling at men to stop caring about sex so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:24 PM
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Won't happen
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:21 PM
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I haven’t been on this sub in 3 years She's been at it for 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:20 PM
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Dating apps aren't the issue, they just exacerbate the underyling one, namely that men are into women at much higher rates than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:15 PM
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Women yell at men to leave them alone yet shame them when they do it in equal parts. The issue is that women don't want to be left alone by the high value men, but since they are unable and/or unwilling to spell that out, you get this contradictory bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:13 PM
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Ever since COVID, companies in general have become absolutely shameless with their excuses for price hikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:17 PM
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Spoken like someone who never lacked external validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:05 PM
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Very well put. In order to keep up their world view where women are indeed wonderful, all examples of that being soundly untrue must be declared as exceptions and fringe cases. Or, even better, as a failing on the wronged man's part for not having chosen well or for provoking that "unwonderful" behavior. Which is ironic, because Blue Pillers tend to fly off the handle when women are told to choose better or that they provoked men into heinous behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:40 PM
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Rules for thee, not for me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:29 PM
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I don't think it's real misogyny, but just a (very) lazy excuse when the Blue Pillers' pervasive bias in favor of women is somehow under threat. To keep up the image of women being moral superiors, they just invalidate Red Pillers' counter examples as exceptions and fringe cases. It's basically a variant of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:28 PM
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What part of what you call 'male sexuality' does Lilith criticize in her posts? Would you describe it? Is being purposefully ambiguous about your sexual and relational interests is part of male sexuality? I think she hates the great emphasis men place on sex because of an essential lack of empathy that devolved into bitter resentment over the years. It's definitely not unique to Lilith, lots of women are absolutely stumped by just how much importance men place on sex and how men tend to derive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 09:47 AM
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I don't know how many times has Lilith posted about this topic And I don't know why people still engage. This woman has posted hundreds of topics like this over 7 years. All her posts can be summarized by "men place too much emphasis on sex and that's disgusting". It's glaringly obvious she simply hates male sexuality and has zero interest in having any of her opinions as much as mildly nudged in a different direction, let alone changed. Which is a rule violation by the way, as debate posters mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 08:39 AM
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Yeah, but we can’t talk about the commonality except for every other week in a pinned thread. The forbidden word
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 07:55 AM
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Women do not abide any sort of male complaining and that goes double for complaints revolving around women and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:17 PM
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Just post "i hate men" once a day, it takes way less effort and gets the same point across. Yeah, I don't really get why people engage with this woman's posts. It's absolutely obvious that this woman hates male sexuality from the bottom of her heart and thus has zero interest in trying to understand the male perspective. Every single post of her, of which she has amassed a truly unhealthy amount over several years, can be summarized with "all of men's efforts are aimed at getting sex and that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:31 AM
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"Emotional labor" is just another bullshit concept modern feminism invented to keep up the female oppression narrative. And like any modern feminist narrative, it absolves women of all accountability and ignores the fact that men are affected as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:58 PM
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Female sexuality is naturally transactional. Remove the rewards (commitment, children, bonding, fame, money, validation etc.) and most women would barely have any sex drive. As an analogy, women see sex like most people see weight lifting, i.e. it's tolerable and sometimes fun even, but the vast majority of people do it for its health and appearance benefits only. Remove those benefits and weight lifting would become an absolute niche sport (again). Men however see sex like people see soccer, ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:34 PM
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To me, Red Pill is to reject our western culture's pervasive "women are wonderful" bias, to analyze women's behavior, to prioritize your wants and needs as a man and to self-improve yourself into a man that women desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:02 PM
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Wow, $300 a year isn't much, considering that make up is basically gender exclusive and that many men are bald(ing) and thus have zero need for hair care products or barbers/hairstylists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 08:03 AM
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Because women like to think they're considered more attractive because they put in more effort, not because of genes/luck. Also, they like to keep up the narrative they're magnanimous and have low (appearance-related) standards for men while men have unrealistic and unhealthy ones for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:36 AM
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Diana Ross - Upside Down is the principal PPD song for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:27 PM
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Because our entire western society is completely comfortable with dictating men who to date and who to not date, while the reverse is considered deeply offensive. Classic double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:25 PM
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easy women with no standard Those women are anything but. They wouldn't go out with 80% of men in their rough age bracket.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:19 PM
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Yeah, it would be great. But I don't see it happening on a large scale any time soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:21 PM
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"Women care about men's looks as much as vice versa" was considered crazy talk everywhere just a few years ago. Doubly so if you brought genetics into it like you did. Acting like it has always been super obvious and never denied is a textbook example of gaslighting. By the way, it's still the absolute mainstream opinion that men don't really need looks in order to be attractive to women, just socially desired traits like confidence, humor, kindness etc. A user here has made a great compilation …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:53 PM
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Nope, we've reached the point where most women would think "thank god" if men cared less about them and thus took themselves out of the dating pool. Women are increasingly happy being single, plus having occasional casual encounters with attractive men. And thinking that caring less will make men, somehow, more attractive is a joke. Caring a lot and the resulting self-improvement men do to entice women is the only reason why lots of average men in this day and age are still able to somehow parti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:41 PM
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It's just another one of these red/black pill truths that people are absolutely fine with being broadcast as long as it frames women as superior. If a man simply states "women view relationships as transactional", it causes widespread outrage, because it paints women as callous, self-serving etc. and that doesn't fit our western sensitivities. If you switch the context and say "men (of traits x) offer women nothing", you'll receive broad agreement because it paints women as superior and men as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:33 PM
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It lacks the specific dating advice, but modern feminist culture is Red Pill for women in that it's absolutely cynic about men's nature and teaches women to firmly prioritize themselves and make no compromises.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:27 AM
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Absolutely. And it legit makes me mad when women chalk it up to them putting in more "effort" than men. Laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:19 AM
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The jealousy narrative might be true to some extent, but I don't think it's the main reason anymore because even older women usually don't lack suitors. Or rather, it doesn't explain the full scope. The hate older men dating younger women get stems from the same mindset that makes women hate men who date foreign women, men who band together to decipher women's behavior, men who set firm standards and boundaries, men who pump and dump, men who sleep with drunk women, men who jerk off to porn, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:53 PM
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They also don't mind other "power gaps" or even prefer them, given their huge preference for richer, stronger, taller, more attractive, more educated men. Also, they never acknowledge power gaps in their favour, e.g. the ease with which most of them can cheat on/replace their partner within hours if they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:43 PM
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I really hate this bs that women constantly parrot because it implies that the quality of the average man is worse than the average woman. It’s pure misandry and cope. Apart from being arrogant, misandrist bullshit, it's also horribly contradictory. Whenever men complain about the difficulties on the dating market, women always say "average men do fine dating". But when women speak freely, they always dish out some variation of "only a tiny minority of men is dateable, the rest is absolute garba…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:35 AM
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Would women’s dating problems change if they had fewer suitors? No, women immensely enjoy the status quo of dating in western countries, i.e. the absolute overabundance of male attention and the massive desirability gap in women's favor. You can see it clearly by how bitterly women fight any measure men take to gain even a tiny bit of sovereignty or leverage on the dating market, e.g. dating younger women, dating foreign women, spinning plates, going to prostitutes, setting up their own preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:26 AM
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I used AI to make him smile and more groomed: https://imgur.com/a/FRwuDsf Great improvement, but no way he's remotely as attractive as he used to be in 2016. He could probably do well on the dating market if he was tall, fit, neurotypical etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:23 AM
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It's not about what it looks like, it's that it's fake and women react pretty negatively when men do that to their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:08 AM
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The second link was especially well done and the guy they ran #s on looked pretty good bald. 254 women liked him with hair, and only 30 liked him without hair. That's almost a 90% drop. I don't know what impact that has on his dating but can you say it's likely negligible or even just moderate? Seems like it would have pretty severe real world impact. It's telling that the commenter above didn't adress the links. But even if she did, it'd be some random dismissal a la "it's just tinder", "it's j…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:06 AM
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Their "wildly varying tastes" are a skin-deep aesthetic slapped on a tall, wide shouldered frame and a handsome face.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:02 AM
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That women don't care about looks and that men worry over nothing and just need confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:12 AM
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Yeah, it's a terrible photo and he really neglected his grooming, but it doesn't change the fact that he would look a lot better with full hair and that his baldness does handicap him noticably, especially because he doesn't have super masculine facial features and because his natural beard growth is pretty awful. Quick little Tinder experiments regarding baldness: https://medihair.com/en/tinder-experiment-bald-vs-hair/ https://www.tag24.com/guide/love/hair-today-gone-tomorrow-tinder-test-shows-…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:12 PM
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Our western societies, culturally dominated by women, simply feel disdain towards male sexuality, thus they constantly seek ways to forcibly transform it into something that benefits women on a large scale. Anything which women perceive to be "men acting above their station" in sexual contexts is seen as problematic, like men dating (significantly) younger women, men dating foreign women (passport bros) or men openly proclaiming their dating standards/preferences. Hell, it even explains why 4th …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:18 AM
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Feminism, which dominates western societies culturally, is fundamentally built upon the notion that men lead privileged lives at the expense of women, not only in the past but in the present too. Thus, its adherents are compelled to systematically play down men's efforts and pains, while simultaneously exaggerating women's. In this particular case, men's "emotional labor" both before and in relationships is simply not recognized at all or at least trivialized compared to women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:50 AM
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Tall women aren't any more entitled to tall men than short women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:29 AM
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Here's my personal dictionary: "muscular" = professional body builder on steroids, usually negative context "dad bod" = body builder without steroids "confidence" = neurotypical and non-neurotic "sparks" = guy is hot "chemistry" = see above "good vibes" = see above "demisexual" = not attracted to men, only to their use and comfort. May or may not be attracted to hot guys. When in a relationship: not attracted to her partner. "sapiosexual" = see above "reactive libido" = see above "insecure" = ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:53 PM
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They will definitely have to tick more boxes to succeed, both romantically and in job, than taller guys. All you can do is make sure they tick those boxes, i.e. great career, social skills, sports etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:05 AM
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Exactly. Women are very harsh about male beauty and very lax on female beauty, thus when they, for example, see an average couple of average height, weight and face, the woman is considered at least "cute", while the man is considered "meh".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:32 AM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27805420/ How about this, then? Thus, contrary to the idea that male promiscuity is tolerated but female promiscuity is not, both sexes expressed equal reluctance to get involved with someone with an overly extensive sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:24 AM
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At the end of the day, women want men to read their minds, i.e. he must "just get" which woman he can cold approach based on time, place, state of mind and, of course, both their attractiveness levels. Women know how ridiculous and childish this sounds, thus they dish out this absolute clusterfuck of contradiction, but it basically all comes down to women demanding men to mindread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:10 AM
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"It's just online" is one of the most mentally lazy copouts of modern times.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:53 PM
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Also imagine if a woman's body would only be considered (mildly) attractive if its muscle and bodyfat percentage are artificially altered by a very specific weightlifting and diet regimen. That's the reality for men. Only lean muscular is attractive. Anything else, including being normal weight/fat, is considered merely tolerable or subpar even. It's really a joke when women say they're more attractive on average because "they put in more effort." It's just another case of "women are wonderful" …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:30 PM
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The massive inequality on the casual sex market is probably the major reason why so many men resent women who participate. Many men fear that such women chose them for utility and comfort reasons, that she will miss the more attractive guys of her past and thus make the guy in the relationship work harder for less reward, potentially leading to a dead bedroom, cheating, cuckoldry, divorce etc. So, yes, it definitely is insecurity, anxiety, retroactive jealousy etc. And you are free to judge that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:18 PM
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Breaking news for you then, caring about past promiscuity is not gendered. https://ifstudies.org/blog/men-and-women-with-multiple-sex-partners-are-less-desirable-as-long-term-mates https://np.reddit.com/r/psychologyofsex/comments/1i55hl6/new_study_shows_that_women_scrutinize_mens_sexual/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:00 PM
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Women are culturally taught to dislike the vast majority of men and their form through 3 narratives. the most benign one: society acts like women aren't visual at all. Women internalize this and thus become kind of "desensitized" to men's looks. the medium toxic one: media pushes unrealistic beauty standards for men, same as it did with women. One major example would be the massive physique inflation, where male bodies which take insane amounts of exercise, an iron-will diet and often enough ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:00 AM
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I can relate. Finger/hand aesthetics are oddly important to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:13 AM
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It's 2026, even "very large unattractive" women get approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:12 AM
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(Some people seem to get up in arms about preferences; and let’s be real they’re only mad because it excludes them) It's really not rare for women get mad at men's preferences on other women's behalf, e.g. slim women being offended when a man openly states he prefers slim women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:10 AM
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https://archive.is/v0Rf1 During this ordeal, this slog, I did get one (1) "wyd" message but got nothing inappropriate, nothing sexual. Every man was very respectful and considerate of any boundaries I put up. If there were identical female versions of these dudes I'd go out with every one of them except the single dad. I've got a lot more messages going on but as a straight man there's something weird and unusual about flirting with other straight men so I gotta say I'm relieved this is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:07 AM
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Yeah, it's ridiculous enough by itself when people try to console short men by bringing up short male celebrities, but bringing up a guy who walked around in insanely high heeled shoes all day which caused him to be addicted to painkillers is next level idiocy. It's also funny when people bring up Peter Dinklage (Tyrion from GoT), although the guy himself literally said that women who say he's sexy are full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:04 AM
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It's a natural consequence when only a tiny minority of the male gender is considered truly attractive on a sexual level by the opposite gender, while the rest is, in best case, merely considered useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:23 AM
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None
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:11 AM
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The perception of your personality traits is much more strongly affected by your looks than vice versa, thus good looks can easily compensate for bad personality traits while good personality traits can barely compensate for appearance flaws, unless we enter betabuxx territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:10 AM
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Also clearly shows that women liking "dad bods" is either a full-blown lie or just them defining it as "off season bodybuilder".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:01 AM
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Man, girls used to run away from home to become singers or elope with a biker to defy their dad, now they just get shitty tattoos and nose rings and are back for dinner by 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:26 PM
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You used almost 200 words to simply ridicule the label "Red Pill" and didn't even adress the definition of Blue Pill /u/DietTyrone provided. You specifically asked for definitions but ignore them all. What's the point of this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:40 PM
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Well, it is disingenuous because it's just a cheap debate tactic. Keeping your own side vague and nebulous presents a harder target and you can always bog down the debate with arguments about semantics and strawman accusations. Adherents of "woke" poltics do the same by the way. Not only by acting like their worldview cannot be defined, also by deliberately not labelling themselves and angrily refusing any and all labels opponents give them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:49 PM
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the belief that if we just cheer women on enough, society will fix itself Reagonomics/trickle down economics applied to gender, basically. "Celebrate women more, permit women more and give them more privileges and everyone, including men, will benefit." It's feminists' favorite tactic when male issues come up and straight dismissal isn't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:37 PM
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At the very same time, a man must never, ever expect any of these things to happen, because that would be entitlement, one of the great sins, and that automatically disqualifies you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:31 PM
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The "Blue Pill" is a metaphor for the default narrative regarding heterosexual relationships in western cultures. In essence, it says: (virtually) all women are good, hard-working people per default and are thus attracted to equally good, hard-working men. Which also means if men struggle romantically, they're either evil, lazy or both. Blue Pill narratives are mostly built on three major fallacies and biases, namely the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and the (selective) …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:26 PM
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They spin this narrative because individualism is considered a virtue in our western cultures and women really, really want to be considered "good people".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:48 AM
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Nowadays, many women feel that attacking men's appearance is empowering and "just retribution" for men's alleged wrongs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:47 AM
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Nobody argues that men aren't more violent and dangerous than women. Men argue that women use this fact as a moral baseball bat to hit us over the head with, especially those who are not violent and dangerous. And that if women propose actual measures to combat violence, they very often openly violate the principles of gender equality, presumption of innocence, burden of proof etc. And in different contexts, women often fight against measures against violent crime for political correctness reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:15 PM
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We're seeing it live. Financial and social presssure on women to enter long-term-relationships and marriages steadily decreases, while short-term, informal and poly arrangements (flings, ONS, FWB, situationships, polyamory etc.) are on the rise. And the "underclass" of unselected men increases as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:07 PM
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(Blue pilled/mainstream) people argue all the time that the cards regarding dating are not "universal", i.e. that shitty cards don't exist, it just depends on where you play them. Though I think this is bullshit. It's very easy to say which traits (cards) are attractive and which aren't, statistically. And I think it goes double for men because women are stricter and less varied in their preferences/standards. For example, being a 5'3 man is strictly worse than being a 6'3 man. Sure, exceptions …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:42 AM
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We really don't need a male equivalent to LillithOfBabylon or Windmillflowers posting inflammatory garbage takes for engagement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:39 AM
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And feminism even has a neat explanation that takes away accountability from women again: the patriarchy "brainwashed" women into those preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:34 AM
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Women generally hold men to stricter standards, including gender roles. Water is wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:33 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1q20sri/guys_simply_need_to_stop_listening_to_online/nx9pvbn/ This comment chain perfectly encapsulates that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:03 AM
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"Ottermode" is actually a term referring to very lean-muscular physiques in men. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOgwZO70z_M
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:02 AM
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Men know women don't like veiny, dry pro body builders. When men say "get muscular", it refers to physiques like this or this, which still require tons of exercise and a meticulous diet. Becoming "too muscular" for women is an absolute rarity and is not a risk for the average gym goer. Men aren't that clueless about what kind of physique women like, plus getting a one that's "too muscular" for women requires insane amounts of dedication and almost certainly steroids, which means only a tiny frac…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:58 AM
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As a fat dude, I agree. When I slimmed down and became toned, it was the only time in my life when I was perceived as a sexual being.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:53 AM
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Being nice, kind, agreeable, feminist, having interesting hobbies/passions etc. It's not that these traits are unattractive per se, especially if not overdone, but women make it seem like they can stand in for looks, money, status, which they absolutely cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:52 AM
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Not only do looks matter at least as much, if not more, as personaliy by themselves, good looks make people perceive your personality better, plus good looks makes it more likely for you to develop positive personality traits. You said it yourself. You were lucky to have found someone who looked past your looks. Many people are not lucky. And you found your relationship 11 years ago, when the dating market was already pretty harsh of course, but not as harsh as nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:49 AM
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What kind of support do women give men nowadays lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:04 AM
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That's rich coming from the gender that widely expects men to pay for their time has a powerful mainstream political movement which openly demonizes men and seeks ways to take them down a peg, both verbally and tangibly unabashedly spreads rhetoric like "#killallmen", "having a boyfriend is embarrassing", "men are like a bowl of M&Ms and some are poisoned", "I'd rather meet a bear over a man in the woods" etc. finds only a small minority of men attractive feels constantly threatened and victimiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:45 PM
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Imagine if men banded together to force smut authors to include "more realistic depictions of male love interests" in their novels. The very thought is preposterous. But women did that to video games and comics starting in the early 2010s. It was 4th wave feminisms's first major items of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:55 AM
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First go to Deadbedrooms sub and count posts by HLM (high libido men) and HLF (high libido women). I've always found that odd because other spaces and studies show it's way more likely for men to be dissatisfied with the frequency of sex in a relationship. I think there must be some weird sampling bias in the deadbedroom subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:52 AM
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This is where I agree with women/feminists. Most of the purported consequences for women are revenge fantasies and just world fallacies by men. Of course, some women might experience difficulty due to their past, i.e. having a hard time getting commitment from men she desires, but it's a lot rarer than most men/"manospherians" think. Lots of women do get to have their cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:35 AM
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Women freely admit to lots of red and even black pill points as long as it's framed as female superiority/male inferiority and doesn't try to elicit sympathy for men. And of course, women are also much more likely to agree when other women tell it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:30 AM
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It doesn't even have to be money in particular, women also settle for men they're not attracted to for simple comfort reasons. It's simply more comfortable for them to live with a partner, emotionally, practically and socially. And some women argue that this is what "love" looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:26 AM
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I agree for the most part, but from a redder point of view. "Demisexuality" is one of those endearing- and smart-sounding terms some women use to describe the lukewarm sexuality they feel towards the vast majority of men, the kind which OP called "normal" (very telling). It's basically a synonym for dating a man for comfort, utility, money and social standing, aka betabuxx. And when the relationship turns into a dead bedroom or worse, she can always just claim that he's emotionally unavailable o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:28 PM
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Partly. More than enough women still settle for average guys for comfort, utility and social credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:26 AM
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Women want men with good genes. Naturals. Naturally hot (height etc.), naturally assertive, naturally talented.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:20 AM
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The first. I have broad tastes and can happily deal with a lot of "ugly". Also, in a relationship like this she will put in lots of effort to keep me, whereas in the latter one there's a good chance I'd be dead bedroomed etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:18 AM
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Women holding up old gender roles for men? This doesn't happen. It happens, but it's only a few women. It happens and it's most women, but the Patriarchy™ forces them to! It happens, it's most women and they do it willingly, but men deserve it. Many women are still on stage 3 ("who set the system up?"), but stage 4 voices are getting louder and louder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:40 PM
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Women strongly preferring taller, stronger, richer, more assertive, more succesful, more charismatic men is not some fringe social media meme, it's a hard fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:31 PM
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Yeah, agree, it's firmly Tier 3 on the pyramid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:02 PM
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I agree that women need sex itself less than men, but need sexual validation as much, if not more, than men. If male sexuality mirrored female sexuality overnight, resulting in men finding large swathes of women unattractive, lots and lots of women would become sad, frustrated, jaded, bitter and even angry. We'd have a mental health crisis and women would definitely and massively attack men for it, at least verbally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:54 PM
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Women: "eww, men feel so entitled nowadays!" Also women:
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:05 PM
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They'd understand even without it. Women suffer from being found unattractive too and they've proven it time and time again, e.g. by advocating for beauty standards in media to be lowered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:01 PM
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It's not only the lack of physical pleasure, being involuntary celibate means that the vast majority of the opposite gender finds you sexually repulsive. It's a constant attack on your mental health. And you really think women would handle that easily? Good fucking joke. Many women already cry injustice when a single guy rejects them due to appearance-related reasons or when media outlets present slim, conventionally attractive women. In fact, the latter has gotten women so absolutely livid, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:59 PM
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Simping
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:36 AM
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TRP aimed at women is unnecessary, it's just relatively basic tradcon stuff. And women already have their own version of TRP: modern mainstream feminist culture. It largely lacks the dedicated dating advice, since women hardly need it, but the underlying suppositions, mindsets and tenets of gender dynamics (in dating) largely overlap with men's TRP, with switched genders. Mainstream society tells women that men's biology is shallow, self-serving and fundamentally different to women's, thus rende…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:33 PM
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They also proudly say how most men are unattractive, ugly etc. and that only a tiny minority are good enough looking for most women, yet when a man says the same thing it's seen as the ramblings of an in*el who spends too much time online.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:14 PM
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And women will still say it doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:46 PM
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It's basically an unfalsifiable claim. You will always find men who lash out after being rejected, you will never have an "official vote" on what type of communication men want and, last but not least, it's entirely subjective what constitutes simple "harsh truth" and "deliberate insult".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:10 PM
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It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment and basically proved that women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should be a mandatory read instead of being suppressed by biased mods. https://archive.is/v0Rf1 During this ordeal, this slog, I did get one (1) "wyd" message but got nothing inappropriate, nothing sexual.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:39 AM
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Female and male sexuality is basically the same, only that female sexuality operates under way higher standards. When met with a sufficiently tall and attractive man, women's sexual behavior mirrors that of men. Anything else about personality, aura, kindness etc. is virtue signalling and (self-)deception because "only a tiny minority of exceptionally hot men turn us on" is a bad look on the gender that loves to be thought of as "profound and noble".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:29 AM
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Oh no, of course not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:15 AM
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Only if she's quick because that thread would be locked/deleted quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:13 AM
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If I were to make some outrageous claim about how women are bad, saying almost all the women I've met did something terrible, you would inevitably not believe me or blame me for it in some way. Your post would also get deleted and your account probably be banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:13 AM
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Your reading comprehension is abysmal. This post has nothing to do with the other person's personality (or """soul"""), it simply advices men to not let the other person's looks change their own personality/behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:09 AM
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Bro dropped a fat black pill
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:07 AM
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Great comment
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:52 AM
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Sounds like a reason to never have kids. Yeah, this post is a great reminder. It's insane how open and comfortable women are about relegating their husbands to employee status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:49 PM
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"women are wonderful" ahh post
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:42 PM
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Why do people think "be confident" is good advice, acting like it's a switch you flip in your brain? In reality, confidence is a muscle trained and fed by positive reinforcement. Everyone actually knows this, especially in different contexts. For instance, if you were bad at your job and got chewed out by clients, coworkers and your boss constantly, everyone would think it'd be ridiculous if you were confident in your professional abilities. But in social/dating contexts, people think it's reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:44 AM
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Turns out that all this talk about women being the "emotionally more intelligent" and "communicative" gender is just another case of women-are-wonderful effect in full motion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:11 AM
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It's called a metaphor and it's not /u/renfsu 's problem your abstract thinking skills aren't up to par.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:07 AM
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It's funny how men pressure women to admit that looks matter (like it's a secret) That's because women (and their male supporters) constantly claim higher moral ground for women and say that looks don't matter to them (as much) and that "confidence and humor" can compensate for virtually any visual a flaw a man might have. only to do 180 and blame women for being shallow and caring about looks. We blame women for wanting top 20% traits in men while not being top 20% themselves, for still acting …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:03 AM
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And because they actually hate men. Thus being equated to men (morally) is seen as an insult. I mean, go to a mainstream female dominated space and tell them that women lust over tall, attractive men the same way men lust over slim, attractive women. All hell ensues.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:59 AM
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Yes, some types of mental health issues really make dating harder or next to impossible, especially for men, but the way this advice is used it's more "just world" fallacy and armchair internet psychology. Feeling sad, frustrated and unconfident after (a lifetime of) constant rejection and being a seen as a sexual non-entity is not a mental health condition, it's absolutely normal and no amount of therapy helps with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:55 AM
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You can define the blue pill. Blue Pill describes the default narrative regarding romance in western cultures. In essence, it says: women are good people per default and are thus attracted to good men. If men struggle romantically, they're nasty, lazy or both. Any contradicting cases are exceptions and/or caused by male manipulation. This is the "Matrix" people are stuck in. And its mostly kept up by ignorance with a hint of active deception. And it's so pervasive because it's comfortable and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:42 PM
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Yep, that's a good way to frame it. In the rare event that feminists acknowledge male issues, they treat them as mere side effects of female issues and thus solving female issues solves male issues automatically. One example is how feminists claim(ed) that more women in the workplace will lessen men's burden to provide. Reality? Inflation combined with lower wages, thus both are now required to work their ass off. And when it comes to dating, women simply increase their financial expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:25 PM
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In general it's simply ridiculous to ban looks discourse in a sub whose purpose is to debate gender dynamics with a focus on dating. It's like a political subreddit banning all talk about the economy and relegating it to a containment thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:14 PM
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Yeah, I feel the same way basically. I mean, I would be angry and sad, but that would just fuel my conviction to let them go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:57 PM
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It's enticing, if wrong, to deny misogyny altogether, when "he thinks misandry is real LMAOOOO" is basically a meme at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:56 PM
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Women would never abide this lukewarm (sexual) treatment they so often have for their partners. There are tons of accounts of men turning down their spouse for sex a single time and all hell breaking loose because she questions her attractiveness, his sexuality, his health and their entire relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:54 PM
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Women will tell you that you have impossibly high standards and that you are an entitled piece of shit. Despite their "everyone is entitled to their preference" shtick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:44 PM
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Ýes, being fat as a woman is the closest equivalent to being short as a man, when you strictly consider the effect on attractiveness to the opposite gender only. It's the most universally and strongly disliked trait in women. But even that is only an approximation. There are lots of men who actively prefer overweight women and even fat women have dedicated fans. Whereas women who actively prefer short men are exceedingly rare, especially when you filter out those who simply virtue signal, those …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:29 PM
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When men tell about their "rags to riches" story, people will just say it's due to the increased confidence. Everything to keep up those narratives our western societies are so obsessed with, namely that women are not shallow and that men are able to accomplish anything with the proper attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:27 PM
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It'll be unpinned again by tomorrow for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:25 PM
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Many do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:58 AM
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Women are raised to fear, envy and look down on men simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:41 PM
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Feminists are pretty clear on this: hand women more privileges and lambast men at every opportunity. The "equality" will "trickle down".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:06 PM
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It is. They often pretend to be the gender equality movement for everybody and use that claim to hamstring men's rights activism at every corner, but at the end of the day, feminist advocacy for men is performative and highly conditional at the very best. In most cases, it's really just a feint to keep the undisputed monopoly on the entire gender discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:47 PM
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Huh? Why would "modern, western men don't really hate women" result in a ban? That is the reason why feminism managed to be as succesful in a relatively short span of time and without great bloodshed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:21 PM
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Feminists also constantly use the Motte & Bailey fallacy to switch their arguments depending on what suits the debate at hand best. They freely switch between "patriarchy = men control everything" and "patriarchy = gender roles that hurt everybody" just because the latter is much easier to defend. But at the end, their only solution to "end the patriarchy" is to give women and women only more power and privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:19 PM
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Yep, being yourself is not good advice if what you are is not conventionally attractive. The best advice is to be as neurotypical and non-neurotic as possible, plus doing everything in your power to improve your looks, money and status. Attractiveness isn't nearly as subjective and fluid as our western societies pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:24 PM
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Because in many such cases, the man is actually not appreciated for anything besides providing resources, utility and comfort while getting next to nothing in return. Women who settle for husbands they feel low/no physical attraction towards tend to treat them poorly in non-sexual areas as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 07:41 AM
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If you are a man in your 30s and women frequently call you "man child", do you have a pass to date 18-25 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:19 PM
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It's pretty eye-opening though. But the AOC "short kings" debacle should have sufficed already. Even in her apology, she still shamelessly equates being tall to being morally good. But people forgot and moved on to the default state, which is to shame men for being short and equate it to negative character traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:57 PM
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Because many women are not viscerally attracted to their partners and thus treat sex as something they do for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:11 PM
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Saying "online dating/social media doesn't influence real life" is like saying "streaming doesn't influence record sales/movie ticket sales" and "online shopping doesn't influence retail stores". Online dating is mainstream and here to stay. So, seriously, get with the times. Hell, "apps" literally decide political elections and can make people filthy rich or piss poor within seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:10 PM
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I doubt it. It's not like Millenials who grew up in the 00s and early 10s ate better food. Plus the bad aging is even (or especially?) evident with Gen Z celebs, who probably eat better food than the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:56 PM
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Have you ever seen her attacking women for wanting sex? Her diatribes are overwhelmingly aimed at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:05 PM
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People play down the importance of sex the same way a nepo baby or trust fund kid plays down the importance of money or the struggle of working.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:02 PM
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I bet she isn't even asexual, but just a typical woman so used to sexual (over-)abundance that she simply cannot emphasize with people who struggle to receive sexual validation. The thought of being sexually invisible throughout your life or having to work your ass off for a tiny sliver of it is simply unthinkable to people like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:59 PM
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Not being overweight, having long hair and not being covered in shitty tats and piercings is all it takes nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:50 PM
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Nobody knows why, but lots of people from Gen Z, both men and women, age terribly fast. It's even become a meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:48 PM
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Not sure why, but tons of Zoomers, men and women, age like milk. I don't get why either, considering they're not big into alcohol, cigarettes and tanning, which are absolute aging accelerators.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:45 PM
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Yeah, rage baiting could be considered a sub-category of trolling. It used to be called flamebait. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/flamebait
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:41 AM
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It's a logical result of a culture that religiously exaggerates women's toils, struggles and ambitions while playing down men's. 40 years of "men are privileged, women are oppressed" narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:33 AM
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When I said I don't want to date an obese woman because I am fit and don't find obesity attractive I got labeled an incel, received DMed death threats and doxxed. And women still go "everyone is entitled to their preferences" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:30 AM
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Agree. Modern women are brought up in a culture that systematically teaches them to envy, fear and look down upon men at the same time, resulting in all sorts of double standards, entitlement and accountability issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:29 AM
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Thanks for calling it trolling instead of "ragebaiting". It's so fucking stupid when people replace a term with a longer one for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:25 AM
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Remember that women have no moral highground whatsoever to condemn you for caring aber women's n-count. No, not even if you were promiscious yourself because, after all, it doesn't matter what you did or what you are, you're still entitled to your preferences and standards even if you don't fulfill them yourselves. This thread is chock-full of women defending an unattractive woman wanting attractive men, so it's perfectly valid for slutty men to pine for virginal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:22 PM
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Men actually like women and thus they have their concerns and needs taken seriously. Feminism wouldn't have been remotely as succesful if (western) men hated women as much as women claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 01:34 PM
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Current female beauty and fashion trends are more like looksminimizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 07:43 AM
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They'll just say "it's just one woman".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 07:42 AM
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This. It's ridiculous how people think how (social) confidence is a switch in your mind. It's a muscle that's trained by positive reinforcement. And the most ironic thing is, everyone acknowledges it in other contexts. Something like guitar playing is a good example. If you cannot not play basic songs, if people cover their ears when you're playing and if your instructor constantly criticizes you, you will NOT be confident in your guitar skills. And if you were, people would think you are delusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:05 AM
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How would they? Our culture actively discourages women to emphasize with men and the few attempts at it are purely performative, highly regulated and female-centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:54 AM
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BuT tHoSe ArE nOt ReAl FeMiNiStS
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 07:18 PM
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They don't know what they don't know. Oh they know, they just adamantly refuse to acknowledge the fact. It simply doesn't fit into their world view where men are these incompetent, pampered tyrants living off of women's hard labor. And if pressed, they can still weasel out by saying that "men set up the system that exploits them".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:08 PM
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Lilith is a she and thus has much more leeway than a hypothetical "AdamOfBabylon" would have, nothing more to it. The closest equivalent might be Crazy_Kray and at least half of his posts get nuked. I think mods are deathly afraid of losing female engagement if they were as strict with female posters as they are with male posters. And I understand that even, because women actively participating in a Subreddit is a very strong shield against Reddit admins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:26 PM
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If the guy is far above the girl in SMV, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:24 PM
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Not to mention that being good looking, especially growing up good looking, makes it much more likely to develop desirable personality traits like being social, affable, conforming, easy-going, non-neurotic etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:17 PM
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I'm straight Debatable if 99.9% of the opposite gender is unattractive to you, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:14 PM
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Women and blue pilled men accept and share lots of red and even black pill tenets as long as they're framed as female superiority instead of female arrogance or cruelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:14 PM
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It's not only that but our western, feminist cultures actively encourage women to be overly harsh and disdainful towards men and their looks. Demeaning unattractive men is sold as female empowernment which women gleefully induldge in. What we need is a true, social/cultural body positivity movement for men and widespread condemnation of women who are overly harsh, cruel and hypocritical about men. Men went through this treatment in in the late 00s and early 10s and, though I might be in the mino…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:12 PM
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Misandrist women want to kill men (or sometimes subjugate). That's only because those women are just so misandrist and delusional, they don't even acknowledge the labor men provide to keep the world running.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:03 PM
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Very well put. Lots of modern women have a strange, deep-seated disdain towards men, particularly "low value" ones who "punch above their weight" in sexual matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:38 PM
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Not much. The problem isn't that men aren't rich enough for women, but that they're too ugly for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:29 AM
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When I see an unattractive woman, it's usually a lower class woman who is obese or anorexic, dresses horribly, is covered in shitty tattoos and piercings, has shitty short and/or colorful hair and speedruns her aging process with cigarettes, alcohol and worse. And yes, that applies to quite a few unattractive guys too, but just as many, if not more, are simply fucked by genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:59 AM
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Hell, I've fucking witnessed it. Very short woman, chubby, average face, small boobs, tiny hands with grubby fingers. No hobbies but video games and weed. Zero sports. Man-hating feminist. Takes pictures of attractive men in secret to gush over them. Cheater. No career ambitions. No money. Used to live at home. None of that shit mattered. She had an earnest, hard-working 7/10 boyfriend, cheated on him with a model-tier guy and then had half a dozen "situationships" of whom most wanted to commit …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:54 AM
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Being 19-21 BMI makes it extremely likely for a woman to be considered above average nowadays. Add a little bit of make up and clothes that aren't oversized trash bags and it's pretty much guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:51 AM
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Might be true. But it's so freaking hard to be legitmately ugly as a woman, it's a non-issue to me. Hell, being "slightly ugly" as a nerdy/quirky woman might even yield a huge approachability bonus among the nerdy/quirky guy crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:48 AM
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The whole chapter about dating was so relatable to read and it was made in 2006. 20 fucking years ago, damn it. All of the issues "Ned" had would probably be a lot worse nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:47 AM
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I thought we finally buried this "just ignore women bro, they love that shit and will come to you" crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:06 AM
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To the people who still claim "you can't define the blue pill", this is a good example of BP thinking: romantically unsuccesful men are dirty, disgusting, socially stunted pigs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:40 PM
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It is the same thing. The woman in OP's post went to a female-centric subreddit to either get dating advice or to vent her frustrations and no one told her she's being unreasonable in her standards. If a man did that, he would very clearly get told his standards are too high, doubly so if he was unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:14 PM
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The fact of the matter remains that people are absolutely okay with telling men their standards are too high whereas telling that to women is considered outrageous. This being about "tone" or "intention" is just another red herring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:00 PM
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All I'm saying is that neither you, nor other women nor men would ever be so understanding if an unattractive man just told you he finds the majority of women unattractive. On the contrary, calling him delusional would be the most harmless reaction. I can even bring a fucking example from another sub: https://np.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/zokwuw/aita_for_telling_my_friend_his_physical_standards/ tl;dr: guy knows an ugly guy who rejects ugly women. Guy tell ugly guy his standards are too…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:33 PM
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I love it how the women here act like "what do you bring to the table" isn't the very first thing they spam when a man asks why he's unsuccesful in dating. Scratch that, if he was unattractive and found ALL women at NINE dating events ugly, he'd just be insulted non-stop. I can even bring a fucking example from another sub: https://np.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/zokwuw/aita_for_telling_my_friend_his_physical_standards/ tl;dr: guy knows an ugly guy who rejects ugly women. Guy tell ugly gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:23 PM
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And not only that, but that no one tells her she's being supremely unreasonable. Especially considering that nobody would have any problem telling a male equivalent exactly that in all clarity, possibly with insults heaped on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:16 PM
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There's no way that people of either gender wouldn't tell a plain, overweight guy who found ALL women at NINE dating events unattractive that he isn't delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:15 PM
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If you exclude the actionable dating advice, mainstream society is really just Red Pill for women. I mean, what does TRP teach men? You're the prize, prioritize yourself and your needs and women's nature is unflattering and mercenary. The same shit is taught women in (western) mainstream culture. You're great, your needs take priority and men are awful, seek to exploit you and thus deserve shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:27 PM
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Many women are so arrogant and entitled nowadays they actually think men do not deserve to have preferences while they do. End of story. All other explanations are rationalizations and excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:21 PM
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Neuroticism is definitely a huge issue. For men, it makes them unattractive by itself and hampers their ability to approach and escalate. For women, it causes irrational fear and resentment towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:12 PM
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This. Men put up with anything. I mean, look at current fashion and beauty trends like oversized clothes, chunky sneakers, claw nails, lip filler, piercings, tattoos etc. Men don't really like that, but it still doesn't hurt women's chances that much if they do/have all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:23 AM
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It’s women who often say on social media that they “dress sexy for themselves”. Schrödinger's beauty standards. Women either beautify themselves for themselves only or because of patriarchy/men forcing them to. Whatever suits the discussion at hand best.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:20 AM
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So what makes you think you don't underestimate the downsides and overestimate the benefits of the male experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:19 AM
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At the end of the day, the discrepancy is caused by three factors. Men's tastes are instinctively broader and more lenient, whereas women's are narrow and strict, despite our western cultures claiming the opposite. Men's attractivenesss is heavily dependent on genetics, while women's is much more dependent on effort. Related to above, women have a myriad of socially acceptable tools available to enhance their attractiveness and hide flaws. Whereas similar measures employed by men tend to cause r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:09 AM
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Emphasis on the latter part. Women love to claim that they struggle equally when it comes to looking for long term relationships, but they're massively privileged in that regard too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:05 AM
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Agree. Some men try to turn the tide by being overly harsh to women, but it seems contrived and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:04 AM
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Many people are unable to think abstractly and comprehend statistics. Plus there's a social component to it. Analyzing romantic gender relationships comes off as "weird" and some people automatically attack that. It's bully logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:03 AM
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No, it means believing that women are morally superior and that men's romantic failure is a result of not being morally good and hard-working enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:54 AM
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It is an ideology, essentially a toxic combination of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" male gender role. It says that men's romantic/sexual success is a direct function of their moral integrity and work ethic, because women are great people per default and thus reward good, hard-working men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:51 AM
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Generally agree, though "not being open to other POVs" and "rules for thee, not for me" are absolutely prevalent in modern liberalism/progressivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:43 AM
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What you say may apply to very attractive men and women, but when it comes to "normal folk", women are massively privileged. Almost any woman has the potential to be at least somewhat attractive by applying make up, not being obese and dressing well, whereas there are tons of men who will never ever be considered attractive due to genetic factors like being short, bald and ugly faced. And no, plastic surgery, shoe lifts, wigs and male make up are not realistic, viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:57 PM
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Yeah, reads like a total projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:48 PM
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Many men are not comfortable with their bodies at all, they just hide it and do what is expected from them by both men and women: make a confident face and act non-chalant. And they do it because people everywhere get extremely uncomfortable, disdainful and even mad when men talk about feeling bad about their bodies. It's seen as pointless whining, an attack on women and, of course, In*el rhetoric. Hell, this very fucking subreddit forbids looks discourse for crying out loud (and the only reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:10 PM
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"Find better hobbies" only to be told you're creepy for doing hobbies to meet women lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:40 AM
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Not in feminism land.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:25 AM
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Don't forget shit like this
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:20 AM
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Women's dating advice, apart coming from a place of ignorance/privilege, is all about making them feel good about themselves, which means keeping up the narrative of women being magnanimous, humble and reasonable. Thus advice revolves around moralizing mainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:08 AM
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They also want naturals who don't need much in the way of advice. Seeking advice or doing some form of self-improvement plan is already a red flag to many women, at least subconsciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:04 AM
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Well, at the end of the day, both women and men care about the sexual history of their potential partners. But women keep acting like it's a one-sided, gendered and ultimately misogynistic thing men inflict upon women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:02 AM
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Nope, though it's a widespread misconception. Androgenetic alopecia is caused by a genetic condition that causes the top hair follicles to be (terminally) sensitive to a hormone called Dihydrotestosterone, a derivative of "regular" testosterone. The difference between balding and non-balding men is not the amount of neither testosterone nor DHT, but the sensitivity of the hair follicles to DHT. Also, contrary to popular belief, it's not inherited solely through the mother's nor father's side, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:32 PM
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It doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:21 PM
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Men bring up women's aversion to bisexual men because many women still think that caring about sexual history is something men do to women exclusively. Questioning and attacking the intentions of the ones who put said aversion into the spotlight is an absolutely blatant case of ad hominem argument. Because those attacks, even if potentially true, don't change the fact women are averse to bisexual men and that it directly contradicts their widespread view that caring about sexual history is a one…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:27 PM
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Thanks, good find. Means we can finally bury the discussion about how evil men are for caring about women's sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:31 PM
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A full head of hair styled in any remotely fashionable way makes no man less manly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:28 PM
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Same here in Germany. I know a girl who had extremely small but healthy breasts after puberty and had a boobjob paid for by state health insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:27 PM
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Anyone else getting tired of women's Motte & Bailey argument of men's n-count preferences being about tone? Their true argument, the Bailey, is that men preferring low n-count women is always presumptuous, misogynist and ultimately invalid. To make that easier to defend though, women present another argument, the Motte, by saying it's not that men prefer low n-count women that's the problem, but the way they present that preference. But honestly, do you really think women react permissively even…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:23 PM
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Women get livid when men shit on women for their sexual history. This old Motte & Bailey argument about tone is getting old. At the end of the day, any man with a preference against (formerly) promiscious women makes you mad and constitutes "shitting on women" to you, no matter how or where it's stated. And you're already proving my point. You don't care about bi men, you just wanted an excuse to bash women. You try to dismiss an argument by questioning the intentions and moral integrity of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:18 PM
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You posted that video multiple times And while one (1) dude popping a balloon rudely (the horror!) gets her so assmad she posts it several times and hinges her whole arguments about men sucking on it, she will dismiss entire encyclopedias of women being rude to men they find unattractive on social media as "cherrypicked", "ragebait", "algorithm problem" and "not all women".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 11:45 AM
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Nah, because promiscious men usually come with a slew of attractive traits. And because pre-selection is definitely a thing with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 11:19 AM
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[...]When I was younger – and I mean from teenager hood all the way until about three years ago – I was a ‘nice guy’. And I said the same thing as every other nice guy, which is “I am a nice guy, how come girls don’t like me?” There seems to be some confusion about this, so let me explain what it means, to everyone, for all time. It does not mean “I am nice in some important cosmic sense, therefore I am entitled to sex with whomever I want.” It means: “I am a nicer guy than Henry.” Or to spell i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 09:47 AM
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Women get fucking livid when men care about their sexual history and act like this is a strictly gendered thing, although it's slowly becoming clearer and clearer that women care about men's sexual history as well. In this particular case, the widespread aversion to bisexual men. To counter this and desperately keep up the narrative of sexual history being a one-sided and misogynistic judgement, OP questions the moral purity/intentions of the ones who point out that it's not. What OP basically s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 08:08 AM
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Fewer women have issues with "passed around" men for LTRs than men have with "passed around" women for LTRs. Edit: proven wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 07:43 AM
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Yeah, many women have a severe "grass is greener" attitude due to feminism, because it ceaselessly affirms "men have it better". In reality though, most women would not even be able to cope with the relative loss of attractiveness they'd experience if some Genie turned them into equivalent-looking men, let alone the constant demand to strive, achieve and perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:14 AM
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The basic reasons for women to be wary of men are biological, but the gigantic levels of ridicule, contempt, disdain and fear women feel towards all sorts of men nowadays is definitely cultivated by western culture which treats women like infallible moral superiors and perpetual, poor victims at the very same time. The result is a culture which permits and even encourages women to be lazy, conceited, blame-shifting, spiteful, entitled and massively hypocritical. Hating men is seen as empowering …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:16 PM
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Education, wealth, atheism and liberalism cause falling birth rates, it's almost a law of nature. Nothing you can do about it except keep the populace dumb, poor and religious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:02 PM
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Women really hate it when "low value" men have sexual satisfaction, huh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:22 PM
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We have lots of accounts of trans men and trans women describing the difference. Both overwhelmingly report that life as a man is a lot colder, lonelier and requires a lot more active effort than a woman's. The only bright side for men being taken more seriously in professional settings and being safer from unwanted sexual attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:59 AM
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Yep. Lots of modern women have a strange, deep-seated disdain towards men, particularly "low value" ones, who "punch above their weight" in sexual matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:57 AM
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To counter the usual "all men on dating apps are sleazy assholes seeking sex only" drivel that is bound to be spouted by PPD women in such threads: It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment and basically proved that women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should be a mandatory read instead of being suppressed by…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:46 AM
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Nobody of the age gap haters ever managed to explain to me how age automatically yields power and what that power entails. And nobody ever explained why wealth, intelligence, education etc. power gaps are less problematic than age. Hence why I keep believing that this hate stems from this weird disdain people, women in particular, have towards men who "punch above their weight" in sexual matters. Exact same thing with "passport bros".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:39 AM
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Can definitely happen. But it can also definity happen with formerly promiscious women and everything in-between. The quality and quantity of sex women provide in a relationship, especially long-term, is primarily dependent on her attraction to the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:21 PM
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People are still interacting with these troll posts in 2026?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:50 AM
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More like something women like to say because they can paint men as unreasonable and bigoted for having strict body count preferences, although women also have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:43 AM
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Damn, PPD women really don't like men doing anything but the blandest shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:20 AM
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Most women would also be considered moderately or even noticeably less attractive if turned into equivalent looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:14 PM
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The gaslighting part is the tactic change PPD women did where they now claim that men/boys have never been lied to and that men's looks mattering has always been freely communicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 09:58 PM
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There are quite few comments and videos of women calling the bodies of off season bodybuilders and otherwise very athletic men "dad bod". Short example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvxUwgPyOI Longer video with more examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6rhy9_CTg
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:05 PM
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Refreshing to read this take from a woman. Other women, especially here on PPD, vehemently deny that boys and men are told lies about what attracts women and claim that parents, teachers etc. have always been honest about boys'/men's looks mattering to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:45 PM
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Women like this always tell on themselves. They claim they don't like "muscular guys" and then bring up competitive body builders as an example. And when they present their preferred "realistic" or "average" or "dad bod" male physique, it's still a ripped, shredded and/or built guy who heavily exercises at least thrice a week and has a near-perfect diet but simply doesn't go to extremes by dehydrating himself, by eating 6000kcal a day or by (ab-)using steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 05:07 PM
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Easiest proof is how much more likely women are to adhere to fashion trends. Doesn't mean that men don't, but women are just more likely to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 05:03 PM
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Uh, this is exactly what OP said. Online, people act like any age gap beyond 2 years is predatory and that women hate it, but in real life, tons of women happily and explicitly date older guys (5 years plus).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 05:00 PM
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But I do not want a muscular guy. My brother is a pro BB. And I never want to date someone who looks like him. Men know women don't like veiny, dry pro body builders. When men say "get muscular", it refers to physiques like this or this, which still require tons of exercise and a meticulous diet. Bodies like this are what many women who claim to like "dad bods" or "natural" guys want. It's actually ridiculous how women manage to have such unrealistic views on male bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 04:04 PM
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If I had validation and sexual satisfaction available on tap, I'd be happy single too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:43 AM
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Having a boyfriend is embarrasing now. Funny how we went full circle on the "I hate my wife"/"Awful wedded Life" trope but with switched genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:41 AM
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Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:18 PM
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Beyond age 15, the negative impact of a man's virginity on his attractiveness rises every single year.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:16 PM
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Fully agree. Women's privilege in the dating market is insane and even red pillers underestimate it often.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:24 AM
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Seems like a convenient excuse for the "No True Scotsman" faction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:49 PM
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Or imagine if men en masse would write something like "only C cups and above" into their OLD profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:46 PM
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Don't really know the guy except that he's a stereotypical liberal and being "poly" and a doormat is considered normal in those circles. Too far gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:57 AM
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Age old question are women prettier or are men just more horny. Both. Women are considered prettier by men because men are hornier, thus more varied and lenient in their preferences/standards. And by women as well because women are massively ingroup-biased and because it keeps up a flattering narrative. Also, women are socially allowed to conceal flaws and enhance their looks via artificial means, make up being the most prominent example, while men are not. Which is actually another aspect of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:50 AM
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I know a woman who lives the life of a stereotypical incel loser, i.e. terminally online, video games and weed all day, zero sports, mental health issues, man-hating feminist, hates working, barely makes any money. Phyiscally, she's very short, used to be obese but, admittedly, has a decent face. Anyway, she used to have an earnest, 7/10 blue collar boyfriend whom she cheated on with a model-tier guy. Then she basically had a new "situationship" every month for a year, most of whom wanted to com…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:45 AM
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Yes, there are next to zero traits for which women are judged more harshly than men. There are probably a dozen or more traits for which they are judged (much) less harshly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:02 AM
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It's the opposite. Framing lonely men as "crude perverts who feel entitled to women" is just a basic demonization to keep kicking down on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:32 PM
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Not at the same exact level, but there are women who avoid high n-count men. And not only are they not critiziczed if they vocalize that preference, they're fucking praised for it and told it's reasonable. Only men are attacked for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:28 PM
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It's on purpose. Mods hate this thread for some weird reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:26 AM
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Don't forget beard genetics as well. Balding can also be considered facial genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:25 AM
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At least socks are a generational thing. I'm millennial and we greatly preferred socks to be invisible or not there, while Zoomers love to show off socks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:23 AM
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What a load of bullshit. Height is an absolutely integral part of a man's physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:21 AM
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Not much difference compared to younger women, maybe a slight bias in favour of "masculine attractive" rather than "pretty boy attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:20 AM
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It's much easier to be considered an attractive woman than an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:12 PM
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Keep the thread pinned
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:05 PM
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Blue Pill dating advice is the usual mainstream drivel, aka "be yourself", "be confident", "be kind" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:53 PM
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This whole "getting pussy" framing is also just another way to make men seem extra crude, perverted etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:47 PM
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I grew up in the 00s. Yes, boys and men were told that being nice and well-adjusted is sufficient for getting romantically involved with women. Turning around and telling us that was never the case is simply gaslighting. We didn't imagine things. And even nowadays many mainstream spaces still play down the importance of looks, money, status for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:17 AM
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And good looks make people perceive your personality in a more positive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:11 AM
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Yes there are, but they would look at least as good with full hair, probably better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:00 PM
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The impact of balding is so systematically played down, it's unreal. Literally no man looks better bald than with full hair, it's neutral at best if everything else fits. Otherwise it's always a moderate or even severe hit on your attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:41 AM
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The concern is about morally good socially conscious individuals being alone. Not very many people are saying bad guys should get dates. Well, in blue pill world, being a perpetually single man is irrefutable proof of you not being morally good. Because women are wonderful and the world is just.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 07:46 AM
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But you want them to stop dating conservative men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:12 PM
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Just another "just world" fallacy women love so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:11 PM
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Porque no los dos? Gender norms for men are still so rigid and pervasive because they're beneficial and comforting for pretty much all parties involved, from radical feminists to conservative men. Even institutions, states and corporations benefit because it keeps men working hard and generates revenue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:03 PM
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Female prettiness is very much more dependent on effort/choice than on genetics. Don't be fat, wear make up, wear feminine clothes and the vast majority of women would be considered pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:24 AM
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The "spark" is one of those wishy-washy terms women love to use for (immediate, mutual) "sexual attraction". It's similar to "chemistry" or "vibes". No definition, no criteria, just subjective crap meant to make female sexuality sound more profound and mystical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:21 AM
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Claiming men have high standards is crazy in 2025
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:56 PM
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Women are so gassed up on their own (moral) superiority, they really think they are the only ones who are allowed to have preferences, standards, boundaries etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:27 PM
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Which wouldn't even be as much of a problem, if those "accountants" were treated as well as the "bad boys".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:17 PM
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You can't. You have to see all that contradicting, overly vague and/or absurdly specific advice as nothing but comforting lies women and men tell others and themselves to keep up their world view where women are wonderful and any man can find success by being wholesome and hardworking. And specifically women really have no great interest in making men succeed, they want "naturals" who don't need advice. The rest should remain quiet and invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:14 PM
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Which is hardly possible if you're a below average man. In the current dating market, women have a huge advantage in comparative attractiveness. Even a severely overweight woman is often considered more beautiful than an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:53 PM
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And even then you gotta look average or slightly above at the very least. And have above average mental fortitude because most evenings you will go home alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:35 PM
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Being extroverted and everything that entails is definitely a plus and makes men more attractive, no doubt about it. But the extent to which it can compensate hard looks- or status-related flaws isn't as great as society likes to pretend and, at the end of the day, being extroverted+ strongly correlates with good looks. Plus, there's a genetic component to it as well, making "just become more extroverted bro" one of those "easier said than done" things. And OP's comment about "mid" looking guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:10 PM
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most redpillers are not bodybuilders Going to the gym to enhance your looks, which is one of the very few noticable things a man can do for that goal, is and always has been a very integral point of TRP. The only difference between Red and Black pill is the extent to which you can enhance your looks effectively, but they both acknowledge its great importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:20 PM
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Flip the genders and you'd have a shit storm <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:35 PM
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Playing down the impact of dating apps on real life romance is like playing down the impact of online shopping on retail stores or the impact of streaming services on movie und record sales, i.e. absurdly stupid. And making some huge distinction between specific dating apps and general social media apps is also dumb. They both work the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:11 AM
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+slight surplus of young men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:08 AM
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I would definitely say that online shopping has a huge influence on retail stores, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:57 AM
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As long as you don't make it gendered, I can agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:46 AM
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And women tell us we're the "entitled" ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:31 AM
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Then refuse, but stop complaining. It's a market out there and if single motherhood decreases the "quality" of potential partners to below acceptable levels for you, you have zero choice but to remain single. Men are told the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:30 AM
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Agree, except for the "women's attraction is in the brain" part. Women are into men physically as well, but operate under much higher standards. Once they meet men they feel truly attracted to, their behavior exactly mirrors that of most men, including the extreme ends like simping, paying money, putting up with neglect, humiliation, abuse etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:26 AM
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Men's shallowness is greatly exaggerated. Women's shallowness is greatly played down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:23 AM
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Because a lanky ass, unarmed, inexperienced boy is barely more capable of defending someone from an armed robber than a woman. And no one would judge a woman for hiding in such situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:20 AM
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Oh yeah, this is prime youth trauma material.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:19 AM
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There are barely any dealbreakers for women left. The market is so lopsided in their favor, that men put up with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:18 AM
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Yeah, the average John isn't an unattractive and socially awkward virgin, but an average (and often older) guy who wants to sleep with a specific type of woman or has fetishes he cannot live out in normal relationships. I even argue that a large amount of Johns is in relationships. Prostitution is kinda like what people used to say about online dating some years ago (some still do): a niche place for niche people following niche interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:05 PM
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It's even crazier to blame men for failing or refusing to play such a vague, rigged game.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:55 PM
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How dare he not perform the required socio-cultural rites and courtship dances.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:53 PM
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Yeah, I'm a glutton
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:51 PM
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If pressed, they will just go "women are not a monolith bro" and feel profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:18 PM
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At the end of the day though, women will just ignore it and spout their usual bullshit about how "all men on online dating are assholes", how "women die of thirst in a swamp" or other arrogant, misandrist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:25 AM
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I live in a country where prostitution is as legal as it can get and it doesn't do much for the sexual market or men's mental health. American manosphere posters grossly overestimate the positive effect of (legal) prostitution for men. It won't make them go on some sort of mass dating strike or less desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:50 AM
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"Here's how men are disadvantaged in dating." "So, so, so you want to FORCE women to date unattractive men?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:46 AM
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https://archive.is/v0Rf1 It was disproven here on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:19 PM
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Yep, it's a pretty old Red Pill concept. Women married the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:18 PM
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While the vast majority of (western) society still firmly believes that women are the profound, magnanimous and individualistic gender in romantic/sexual contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:17 PM
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To counter the usual "all men on dating apps are sleazy assholes seeking sex only" drivel that is bound to be spouted by PPD women in such threads: It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment and basically proved that women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should be a mandatory read instead of being suppressed by…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:15 PM
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Be attractive DON'T be unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:13 PM
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Existing in general. Women who play video games all day still find guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:13 PM
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Anywhere if you're an attractive guy. Nowhere if you're an unattractive guy. At the right place and right time as an above average guy. But you gotta mindread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:10 PM
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What's also funny is how telling men to "just be confident" is directly reinforcing gender roles aka "the patriarchy", directly at odds with "men need to open up".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:44 PM
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The difference between confidence and arrogance isn’t in what we think of the person. An ugly person can be confident, and an attractive or extremely talented person can be arrogant. But it's more likely for confidence to be considered arrogance if the person in question isn't attractive. There are no clear-cut standards. It's all perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:10 PM
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Love it when women try to rationalize being sidechicks to attractive men by simply insinuating that all men are cheaters, jerks, pump and dumpers, assholes etc. Kind of a twisted version of "sour grapes". Well, if it helps you sleep better at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:04 PM
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There's a bit of jealousy involved, but I think nowadays the main reason people hate on older man, younger woman couples is this weird, deep-seated disdain people of both genders, though women in particular, feel about perceived "low value" men finding sexual satisfcation, especially when they "punch above their weight". The "passport bro" discourse and the crusade against porn, prostitution and sexy women in media are based on sentiments. Lots of women really want certain men to remain celibate…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:02 PM
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With all else equal, being confident always beats out being "unconfident" aka neurotic. But the extent to which it can compensate flaws, like the "mediocrity" OP mentioned, is much more limited than society pretends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:26 PM
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I think the most accurate definition would be "lacking neuroticism", because "neuroticism" is pretty well defined: being easily affected by negative emotions like fear, anger, doubt, sadness, shame, envy etc. So "confident" basically means having and maintaining a neutral to positive disposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:15 PM
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If a guy has a history of freely and enthusiastically paying for dates with other women while he wants to split the bill with you, you'd have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:48 AM
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Maybe height
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:00 AM
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It is, in part. Yes women are by and large less likely to be criminal, especially when it comes to violent crime, due to both natural and social reasons. But there is a bias in favour of women that makes people play down crimes done by women, makes them less likely to cast suspicion on women and makes them give much more lenient punishments to women. The gap between male and female criminals definitely exists, but it is smaller than people think due to systematic and deeply ingrained sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:58 AM
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And even today, men are still criticized a lot more harshly for having any but the most innocuous standards or preferences in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:18 PM
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I've made this very point many times, so, needless to say, I fully agree! Me too. "it's just a preference" only became a thing when women were on the receiving end of having their "preferences" criticized.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:17 PM
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They hate this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:35 PM
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There's literally nothing feminine about his face except his lack of facial hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:49 AM
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Many women also define "dadbod" as an off-season or non-roiding bodybuilder. False magnanimity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:47 AM
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Yep, the delusion around looks is everywhere because it's comfortable and flattering for most parties involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:45 AM
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Reminds me of "Radicalizing the Romanceless" by Scott Alexander
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:19 AM
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Predicting who posted this is like predicting 12 at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:03 PM
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Pin the fucking thread
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:55 PM
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Don't bother, female posters like this are completely immune.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:54 PM
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They say that because they all assume they'd be wildly succesful with women. They they think they'd be considered as attractive as they are as women and they think they'd be some sort of "master rizzler" due to "knowing" what women want. Both of which are patently untrue. Most women who turned into similar-looking men would struggle a lot and have mental health issues en masse. I mean, we have lots of accounts of trans men and trans women describing the difference. Both overwhelmingly report tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:55 AM
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If any one of them came up and showed interest, it would feel like your crush in grade school just told you that she liked you. Amateur. A man forged in the cruel fires of unattractive existence feels nothing but suspicion when women, especially conventionally attractive ones, approach them. "Do they want something from me or are they just ridiculing me" are the only things that go through your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:48 AM
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I'm very neurotic and wouldn't say I'm that good at emotional analyzing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:13 AM
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And people, especially women, will call you "emotionally unavailable" or worse when you are all the things you listed below.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:12 AM
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we generally learn to navigate them without turning them into an ideology built on resentment. You're kidding, right? Modern feminism is a freaking monument of resentment towards men and their sexuality. I mean, for example, they literally banded together to desexualize the depictions of fictional (!) women in media, i.e. video games and comic books. That's how much they resent male sexuality. Even the nerd who faps to fictional women in his basement is offensive to feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:09 AM
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Some. In most cases though, it's the higher-earning woman who has a problem dating "down", not vice versa. This "men feel insecure when their woman earns more than them" is just another one of those narratives that are overblown in order to make women seem non-shallow and put the blame on men. But women are the main selectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:03 AM
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Women don't just default to saying a man is single because he's misogynistic for no reason. Nobody said "for no reason". The reason women do it is because they are completely gassed up on the thought of being the morally superior gender and thus cannot be shallow and reject men based on moral qualities only.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:00 AM
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Great comment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:58 AM
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Grandmother, 83, who dumped her 37-year-old Egyptian toyboy turns super-sleuth to expose the 'scammers and con-artists' trying to fool women on dating sites Can you imagine a news article glazing an 83 year old dude for """exposing""" foreign women half their age for being only interested in the men's money?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:29 PM
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Don't forget the "women are wonderful" effect. We consider women such great people, that their sexual selection is proof of the moral virtue of the selected person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:57 AM
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It's a toxic mixture of the "women are wonderful" effect and the "just world" fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:46 AM
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Okay, that explains why women want men that are taller and stronger than them. But what about the rich part? Career ambition? Women wanting richer men with more prestigious is similar to high n-count men wanting low n-count ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 02:25 PM
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It's just a negative term for "desire" or even "preference" and "standard". Women use it for any preference or standard they feel men do not deserve, which is most of them, of course. It's just framing and word games to make men seem terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:44 AM
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Or women could not date men they only feel lukewarm for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:41 AM
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I kinda get your point and also find it stupid when high n-count men insist on low n-count women. But women have a slew of hypocritical standards themselves, so it's not that much of a gotcha coming from women who always want a man who's taller, stronger, fitter, richer and more ambitious than themselves and the male average.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:38 AM
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No? Men are mentally abused by a culture/society which convinces them of being terrible human beings for not having women's romantic/sexual approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:36 AM
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They don't like men punching above their weight
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:12 PM
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Because the social acceptability of approaching women has gone down, no matter how hard people try to deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:41 PM
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A 19-21 BMI woman is nowadays equivalent to a ~10-15% bodyfat guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:10 AM
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"What do women want?" "More."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:08 AM
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The "women are wonderful" effect is an endless source of hypocrisy, double standards and misery for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:40 AM
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Because the Beta will most likely struggle a lot with finding women willing to sleep with him. Meanwhile his wife can have a new guy every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:06 AM
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bargaining stage ahh post
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:37 AM
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Feminism will never properly adress women perpetuating the patriarchy, especially via their sexual choice, because it violates two of their core tenets, namely "women are better people" and "women are powerless".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:22 PM
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Yeah, because feminists are absolutely famous for encouraging women to put effort into their relationships with men. Thanks for the laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:36 PM
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The fuck are you on about? Women regularly make all sorts of negative assumptions about the characters of men whom they find unattractive so they can feel vindicated in their disgust, e.g. short guys are insecure and have anger issues, quiet guys are smelly and creepy etc. The way women justify rejecting low/no n-count men is not exactly charitable either, e.g. they're stunted, weird or misogynist even.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:03 AM
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Not only that, they're so deep in their oppression narrative they feel entirely justified to spew disdain, vitriol and sheer hate against men. It's classic revanchism that festers freely in women's minds because nobody with social/cultural power opposes it. I also blame modern leftist politics for it because they did away with true equality and introduced this "victim hierarchy" mindset where "lesser privileged" groups are allowed to be bigoted and lash out against "more privileged" ones, as def…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 09:49 AM
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And "women are wonderful" effect. Plus a generous dash of "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" male gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 09:40 AM
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PPD women. women are entitled to their preferences and standards, even if they are delusinal Also PPD women: time to berate men for a preference/standard in a dedicated thread for it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:59 AM
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Yeah, this. Women literally banded together and changed our entire media landscape because they felt pressured by unrealistic standards from men. And now that the shoe is on the other foot, they have the gall to complain about their standards being analyzed and criticized? Modern women's hypocrisy is boundless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:44 AM
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especially if the woman in question doesn't meet the standard being discussed But even if they do. For example, if a man wrote "only interested C cups and above" in his OLD profile, lots of women with C cups and larger would still be absolutely outraged and avoid him, possibly shame him publically and report him. Tall men however do not mind women who write "only interested 6ft and above" into their profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:43 AM
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women would be SEETHING and SCREAMING about how unfair and misogynistic it is. It would be a HUGE societal issue. No need for "would". Women do that. I mean, no need to go further than PPD. The stickied n-count thread's main point is to give women a space to yell at men for their low n-count preference/standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:40 AM
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First we have to define patriarchy, because feminists tend to switch between "general gender roles which hurt everyone" and "men holding all social, political and commercial power" depending on convenience for the debate at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:52 AM
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The Blue Pill: women are so wonderful that men's romantic success is a function of their moral virtue and work ethic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:48 PM
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God, women spent the better part of the 00s complaining about men's standards to the point they changed our entire media landscape and now that the shoe is on the other foot, they get mad for being called out on their own unrealistic, harmful, hypocritical standards. And it's not like women really stopped criticizing men for having standards either. It's so hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:46 PM
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Both. Lack of perspective, lack of empathy and lots of disdain towards undesirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:20 PM
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Of course, this thread is chock-full of women repeating the same old trite "it's so hard for us to find caring guys interested in LTRs." But it's bullshit and was proven wrong here on PPD. It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment and basically proved that regular women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:49 AM
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Yes that endless choice is 99.9% shit Only in women's arrogant delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:19 AM
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Even? Especially.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:11 PM
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How tall? Hair? Conventionally attractive face?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:10 AM
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Always been that way. Women accept and share the bl*ckest of black pills as long as it's framed as female superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:31 AM
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Women only want to be approached by the right men at the right time. And those men need to "just get it" (i.e. mind read) as well. And women know how stupid, childish and arrogant this sounds, so they hand out tons of contradictory advice that's often either completely vague or absurdly specific. And if the men report it doesn't work, the women can always either say the men try too hard or not hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:29 AM
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Well, it's just another symptom of the core blue pill (mainstream) narrative, isn't it? That women are so wonderful and thus their romantic/sexual selection is proof of moral virtue/work ethic of the selected person. That, of course, also means the opposite: romantically/sexually unsuccesful men are terrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:13 AM
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I'll believe age gap haters' moral concerns about "power gaps" when they start judging older female, younger male couples as harshly or also criticize relationships where one party is noticably wealthier, more intelligent, more educated, more wordly etc. Or when media stop depicting older women chasing younger men from abroad as victims. As long as they keep laser-focusing on older male, younger female couples, I'm gonna keep assuming it's a weird mix of jealousy and disdain towards "undeserving…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:03 AM
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Being attractive is funnier to women than being funny is attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 10:24 AM
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Accusing men of opening up "wrongly" is just a contrived excuse modern women came up with to rationalize their visceral but unflattering disgust towards men showing vulnerability. "Trauma dumping" is a very similar excuse. It neatly solves the contradiction between what women/feminists loudly proclaim and their actual attitudes/actions, while keeping up their core narratives of being both morally superior and perpetual victims at the same time. And the best part? It's all subjective. There is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 10:16 AM
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Did women changed men preferences? I think so, yes. The feminist influence in culture and media contributed to it. Do men masturbate to different type of women they did before? The porn and sexual content men use today are attractive women he is attracted to that he wants to use... While most porn still features conventionally attractive women, there's also a huge market for "realistic" women, older women, fat women, next door type women etc. And I think the latter market has grown. You are affo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 09:56 AM
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Women are not attracted to kindness while men are. https://doi.org/10.1177/0146167214543879 Women's personality traits affected their attractiveness to men significantly more than vice versa. Not one personality trait even comes close to the effect that physical attraction does https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2009.00570.x Women during their fertile phase become more attracted to confrontational men https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2394562/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 08:06 AM
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It's just an incredibly lazy cop out to not acknowledge that them being (considered) more attractive than men is not a function of their superior work ethic but social privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:53 AM
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Especially since men actually went through this treatment in the late 00s and early 10s. Women succesfully banded together, analyzed, criticized and ultimately deconstructed men's previously high standards, especially in regards to women's bodies. They changed the entire media landscape, especially video games and comic books. Which makes women's current "everyone is allowed preferences" shtick that much more hypocritical. They don't afford men the same courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:31 AM
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Women and men are free to have any standards they want. Anything else is not enforceable and the mere notion to do so is ridiculous. However, people with high standards have to deal with others judging them for being shallow, overly harsh or hypocritical, especially when they constantly demand things from potential partners they themselves do not have or fulfill. And while it naturally goes for both genders, I think women are much more guilty of this compared to men. It's not really the high sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:29 AM
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Obligatory: Mods, pin the fucking post Anyway, let's talk about the impact of weight on attractiveness. Women pretend they're disadvantaged in that regard, but that's simply untrue. Being obese just stands out to them, because it is one of the very, very few things that significantly tanks a woman's attractiveness. But at the end of the day, obese men are judged just as harshly, if not moreso. Oh and if we talk about the middle category, i.e. being (slightly) overweight, women run circles around…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:05 PM
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It's also funny how they cite "power gaps", but don't mind couples where one party is significantly more attractive, wealthier, more educated etc. Hell, most women have a huge desriability advantage over men and cheating is literally a few swipes away at any time. How is that not a power gap? Speaking of which, exactly what power does an older man have over a younger woman that a young man has not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:01 PM
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It's also women who perpetuate the "patriarchy" by flocking to large, strong, rich and dominating men. But good luck trying to get them to acknowledge their own role in the status quo. Seeing and displaying yourself as downtrodden saints with no influence is much more comfortable and yields more benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:13 PM
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Nah, that's a hard disagree from me. Men's attractiveness is very much dependent on genetics (height, lack of balding, jawline etc.) and most unattractive men would need plastic surgery to actually become outwardly attractive, not simply a superficial makeover. Sure, there are men who squander their potential by being unkempt slobs, but at least as many, if not more, are screwed over by their genes. Meanwhile, virtually all women can become somewhat attractive at the very least by being non-over…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:53 PM
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They'll just deny the "good and interesting" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:41 AM
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I would be happy "single" too if I had validation 24/7 available and everyone around me cared about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:11 PM
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Actually, I would probably go for my looksmatch. My tastes are very varied but lean towards non-conventional beauty, so no Instagram babes for me. And even with "unlimited choice", an Instagram type of babe would still expect a lot from me whereas a less attractive girl would probably worship the ground I walked on. I don't mean to exploit that dynamic, but it sounds hella nice. Basically like a buddy of mine who's easily 8/10 with some effort (6'7, fully haired and decent face) but in a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:09 PM
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I don't see it happening. Tattoos are permanent and Millenials and Zoomers won't rule themselves uncool suddenly. Maybe Gen Alpha or Beta will condemn tattoos again, if only to distance themselves from their Millenial/Gen Z parents who are covered in tats.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:03 PM
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The German versions isn't much better. Filled with manhaters spewing the usual rhetoric and extremely banhappy as well. In fact, they're so strict that even many women take refuge in the German askmen subreddit, because they freely allow female posters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:59 AM
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Tattoos still have a (faint) edgy image, despite even the most bland and basic people getting inked nowadays. They're relatively expensive and can be a sign of money and status, especially in less affluent circles. They signal that the guy is "trendy" and "with it". Social conformity (being "normal") is attractive to most women, despite them often claiming the opposite. Many women have tattoos as well and guys having them validates their choice and gives common ground. A lack of tattoos is somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:55 AM
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Finally, nearly all of them talk about major red flags that should have make them run away imo: "He was a bad boy", "He cheated on his ex-girlfriend with me", "He was still with his ex when we started dating, I was the side piece for a few months". The "master manipulators", everyone. And the gender that can "sense your misogyny".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:51 AM
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You know what? I actually feel bad for her. That must suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:49 AM
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Or see the "nice guy" debate. The language used to describe nice guys always revolves around him wanting sex, e.g. "getting his dick wet", "getting in her pants". All to demonize the guy, because him wanting a relationship is too wholesome already for a proper bogeyman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:55 AM
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Women say this shit to obfuscate the fact they only want to be approached by the right men at the right time, both of which the man must "just get". The latter is actually part of being the right man. And women know how ridiculous that wish is and that they cannot say it out loudly without being called childish and delusional, thus they hand out contradictory, super vague and/or absurdly specific advice to men. But that advice isn't meant to help men, it's meant to make the women feel good about…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:51 AM
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And because that opinion is not socially tactful and makes people look cruel, we hand out either vague or absurdly specific advice to those men which doesn't work but can always be topped with "you're not trying genuinely or hard enough!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:41 AM
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Hey, don't ruin PPD women's shtick of pretending that every man in a relationship is fulfilled and has it made.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:39 AM
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The real difference between "true" victim-blaming and general advice is whether or not the perpetrator is (morally and/or legally) absolved. Which is almost never the case in western societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:35 AM
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Easy, Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:31 AM
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It makes even more sense when you consider that women are absolutely unwilling to admit this on a large scale, thus we get all this contradictory advice regarding approaches all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:31 AM
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Not a gotcha. Men are actually varied in their breast size preferences, including lots who genuinely don't care much. Then again, many women would still complain on principle lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:21 AM
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A lot of the problems many modern, western men have with modern, western women do have natural reasons at their base (e.g. Hypergamy), but they are exacerbated by a culture which treats women like god's greatest gift on earth and oppressed victims at the same time, leading to disdain, arrogance, hypocrisy, entitlement and accountability issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:17 AM
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Same. I was way more social in my late teens and early 20s and had exactly zero success because I used to be a fat, short, bald(ing) nerdy guy who barely had any money and lived with his parents. Only after making money, having my own place and losing weight by hitting the gym I got some measure of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:09 AM
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Women's sexual preferences are hardly as individual as they claim. Not even close, actually. But we, in western cultures, consider uniqueness a virtue and women the more virtuous gender. Ergo, the false belief of female sexuality being inclusive, varied, tolerant etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:22 AM
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Not to mention that good looks immensely help in developing the type of personality traits women find good. good looking people are perceived to have better personalities
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:22 AM
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The last few times it wasn't pinned from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:19 AM
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This. The belief in women's superior morality is a core belief in modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:51 AM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:54 AM
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Raging, pissing and moaning got women lots of advantages. Why blame men for trying as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:56 PM
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Yet everyone will clown on you for wearing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 01:23 PM
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Why does everyone in this sub confuse "personality" with being a good person or being progressive? Because that's what happens when mainstream society gives struggling men advice. They're always told to be nicer, more progressive or, in short, to improve morally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:36 AM
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Why would women select sex partners based on anything else than physical attraction? Because society, especially western society, vehemently denies this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:33 AM
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This. Linking men's morality to their sexual and romantic success runs very deep in our societies, especially in western ones. It's seen as completely normal, hence why there is so much anger directed at the men who challenge that notion and the underlying belief of total female moral superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:28 AM
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To me, it rather seems like we, as in western cultures specifically, vehemently deny that women's sexuality is instinctual. We ascribe a moral, sensible and even somewhat religious nature to it. Hence why, for instance, people make such a strong link between men's sexual/romantic success and their moral virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:25 AM
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Women dgaf about personality. They do to some extent. With all else equal, being well-adjusted, affable, motivated and resilient beats out being odd, quiet, idle and neurotic when dating women and it can compensate, to some extent, for flaws in the looks, money, status department. Then again, being high in "LMS" correlates a lot with the aforementioned attractive personality traits, kind of a chicken/egg problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:19 AM
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A 20$ dress and a pair of $50 high heels do more to increase women's attractiveness than a four digit tailored full suit does for a man. Almost any woman below 50 can be a 6/10 by not being overweight, applying make up and dressing well. The same isn't true for men, many will still be 5/10 or under due to natural factors like height, facial structure or ill-fitting baldness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:10 AM
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Odd answer, considering your starting point was that women are more open to feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:59 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:17 PM
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There are more women out there willing to approach than people usually think. It's just that these women only approach very attractive men. Regular men aren't worth the effort, in women's eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:03 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:59 PM
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Not even here on this sub. For instance, tell women who complain about fuckboys and similar here to choose better and all hell breaks loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:26 PM
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Looks, neurotypicality and non-neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:32 PM
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I think the difference is women are more open to feedback and change. The male response is to redirect the blame cause they don’t want to do the work. Bullshit. Women who are, in whatever way, unsuccesful on the dating market also tend to blame the other gender. It's actually way more normalized for women to complain about dating, it's considered a legitimate social grievance instead of a personal failing. A woman who says "all men on dating apps are trash", "all men wanna fuck only" or "men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 12:26 PM
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Reminds me of this. It's deleted now, but a guy here did a Catfish experiment and basically proved that regular women do receive a plenty amount of respectul messages from decent-seeming men. The catch is that those men are not top tier in attractivness. This thread blasted PPD women and blue pillers out of the water. It should be a mandatory read instead of being suppressed by biased mods. https://archive.is/v0Rf1 During this ordeal, this slog, I did get one (1) "wyd" message but got nothing in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:41 AM
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Oh, there is a coherent world view behind it, namely that women are considered such wonderful people that, by extension, their sexual/romantic selection is considered wonderful and an almost infallible proof of the moral virtue and work ethic of the selected person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:33 AM
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Yet at the same time, most women are absolutely horrified by the thought of dating bi guys. Curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:30 AM
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Linking men's sexual and romantic success to their moral virtue and work ethic is the very core tenet of the Blue Pill world view. Essentially, it's a toxic combination of the "women are wonderful" effect, the "just world" fallacy and the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" male gender role. In western cultures, that line of thinking isn't exclusive to any particular group, but transcends gender and politics, because there's something comforting in it for literally everyone involved, from rad…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:19 AM
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Old TRP would call that comment hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:17 AM
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It's just typical arrogant hypocrisy from women. They criticize men for virtually any preferences while bitterly defending their own, no matter how specific, unrealistic, hypocritical and/or patriarchal they are. And it continues because women have cultural dominance, especially in regards to relationships and sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:47 AM
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German here, the dating market is pretty much the same as in the US except that women are less materialistic here and don't insist as much on one-sided traditionalism like US women seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 10:25 AM
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Fearmongering about lonely men is just another manifestation of the gynocentric/blue pill world view where men's romantic/sexual success is considered a direct result of their moral virtue and work ethic, because women are considered such great people. Basically "women are wonderful" effect and "just world" fallacy on steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:49 AM
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German here, the dating market is pretty much the same as in the US except that women are less materialistic here and don't insist as much on one-sided traditionalism like US women seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:15 AM
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Seeing it would also require critical thinking skills, introspection, taking accountability and refusing feminist tenets of female moral superiority and powerlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:13 AM
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So he should call things off and not further date the woman in question. Glad we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:39 AM
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Women freely agree to 80/20 if you frame it as female superiority, as women putting in more effort, women deserving better etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:34 AM
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And tons of marriages are unhappy, full of resentment, dead bedrooms, cheating etc. And women feeling they settled for their husbands is one major reason for all that misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:34 AM
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And just like they switch between definitions of "patriarchy" depending on convenience in the debate at hand, they also switch between "feminism is women's trade union" and "feminism is the gender equality movement". Then again, many feminists reconcile these contradictory definitions by strictly seeing men's issues as nothing but byproducts of women's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:45 AM
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The "Nice guy" stereotype is a typical symptom of a blue pilled society, where men's romantic/sexual success is linked to their moral virtue and work ethic. Thus an unsuccesful nice guy is always painted as a nefarious asshole, while in reality they're usually simply unattractive. While bad apples exist, the stereotype of "nice guys being actually assholes" is blown way out of proportion and spread in women's spaces in order for them to condemn and reject nice but unattractive men without seemin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:42 PM
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The main reason for that is that there are only very few attractive men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:35 PM
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Women already do approach the men they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:13 AM
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Women here on PPD tell men that expecting "Chad treatment" from their partner is an unreasonably high standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:07 PM
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It's really simple. They don't like hearing that men's struggles have anything to do with women. Exactly. You can see it in the way men feeling insecure about themselves and their impression on women are mocked, gaslit and lambasted. People really think that women are such wonderful people that a man feeling insecure is considered invalid. The arrogance of it is astounding, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:28 AM
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Brilliant comment, I've said it many times too. The Blue Pill (aka western culture's mainstream) core tenet is to link men's sexual and romantic success to their moral virtue and work ethic, because women are such great people. Basically a pervasive manifestation of the "women are wonderful" effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:26 AM
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Women will freely agree with red and even bl*ck pill points as long as you frame it as female superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:23 AM
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It's not a sharp destinction, it's a scale. Basically, the more you have to "pay" for sex (money, effort, entertainment, comfort etc.), the more beta you are. A (near) max Alpha guy has women chasing and making efforts for him. Someone like this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:08 PM
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Less quality and quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:59 PM
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u need moar cawnfidence breh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:30 AM
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Of course not. The naturalistic fallacies of people like OP stop the moment they'd be at a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:04 AM
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Yep, this. Truly attractive men are approached by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:25 PM
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Because they're arrogant hypocrites who think only they themselves are allowed preferences and standards. It's not limited to n-count, women are offended by pretty much any male preference. And in this particular case, it's even more ironic because women themselves also often (try to) avoid high n-count men for relationships and nobody, especially not other women, calls them insecure or misandrist for it. Not to mention women having an overwhelming preference against low/no n-count men. It's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:42 AM
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Same here in Germany. The current (about to be) pensioners and their political representatives always knew the federal pension fund is a ticking time bomb but chose to do exactly nothing about it. On the contrary, they are constantly raising payouts for retirees, despite them being the wealthiest group of all people, especially via homeownership. Now young people have to pay Boomers absurd amounts of money via the state and via rent. Plus, we have to invest into private pension plans as well in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:19 AM
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Angry muscular dudes do a lot better with women than meek skinny/fat guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:03 AM
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Love how the women here are almost unanimously spreading bl*ck pill points, e.g. "the vast majority of men are and always have been undesirable". When men say it, it's heresy. Oh and we are also seeing the confirmation of an old Red Pill tenet: "women married the state".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:03 AM
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No need to engage, they will now yell "source? source? source?" and then endlessly nitpick about how their shit does, in fact, not stink.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:01 AM
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