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I'm willing to talk about it with you in the hopes I can inspire you to get out there. You seem like a sincere person that is just a little too timid if you're not really good looking because they'll think you're trying to date them Women like it when you want to date them. You should never hide that you like them. There are social things you need to learn and consider though. As long as you keep it respectful and pay attention to her and how she is feeling everything is fine. I know a lot of co…
/r/seduction03/02/17 03:34 AM
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Just be respectful and talk to women. Try to have fun with it and at least learn how to socialize if you aren't ready to date yet. Women are very good company. You don't have to try to have sex with any or ask for any dates, but I highly encourage you to start having more conversations. The company of a good woman is one of the finer pleasures in life
/r/seduction03/02/17 12:54 AM
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That's why you don't be a disrespectful asshole in the firstplace. Women enjoy respectful engagements.
/r/seduction03/02/17 12:21 AM
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I've seen a ton of really creepy dudes harass women Going up to meet women you think are cute is not harassment. lol
/r/seduction03/02/17 12:13 AM
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Your still trying to put a number on "all sets" regardless of how they open and ignoring target selection completely. There is no accurate way to calculate it in such a broad manner. It depends on too many things, not only that but ideally you should constantly be improving so your rate will fluctuate anyway. It's not logical to put it in the terms you are trying to put it in. The figures I gave earlier are reasonable ballparks for both extremes of the spectrum. That's the best I can tell you as…
/r/seduction02/02/17 10:57 PM
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It means she likes you :P You have to have fun with it. Sounds like your a little too serious about it. Girls are not doing that out of disrespect, it's just how some people like to flirt. You said in the post you started the teasing anyway, she is just teasing you back. It's a good thing. Call her a shitgoblin or something. The sky is the limit. Over exaggerate it to ridiculous levels and make satire out of whatever she throws at you. It takes practice but you will love it once you get in the g…
/r/seduction02/02/17 08:59 PM
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I mean me personally I know my limitations Most of you guys caught up on the looks issue are creating your own limitation. Yes, it is a limitation that actually affects you....but it's not because of your looks, it's because of your self perception and beliefs on the matter. You are in the habit of perpetuating it too which is hard to break. I know I have a ways to go before I start looking for dates If you just went out and started approaching you would immediately start making progress. Maybe …
/r/seduction02/02/17 08:42 PM
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I disagree but to each his own. I gave up trying to convince guys who blame their lack of success on looks. Even if you show people who think that way physically that it doesn't matter by taking them sarging with an ass ugly fat guy that can pull, they just make another excuse on why they can't do it.
/r/seduction02/02/17 07:14 PM
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I disagree with it. Looks do have an effect, no argument there. Good looks do help you.....but bad looks do not stop you from having success. We are very fortunate to be men in that regard. Worst case scenario, you just have to put in more work. A ass ugly guy can have just as many beautiful women in his life as a very good looking guy, ugly guy simply has to put more effort into learning things and may get there slower. Very good looking guys also get approached without having any social proof.…
/r/seduction02/02/17 06:44 PM
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Not on that scale. If it's truly a 600 ballpark, that's not even remotely possible. You could see a streak of them that are like 10 in a row maybe but that's rare in and of itself. It takes wisdom and discernment to know what a true "no" girl is when you see one. For example, some guys are just shitty at opening and when they get a bad response, they may think "well that was just a no girl, nothing wrong with me"....when in actuality a flawed approach is to blame. The reverse also happens. Some …
/r/seduction02/02/17 02:05 PM
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Just for lays, I think the worst reasonable number anyone should expect being socially awkward, ugly, with horrible game is 3% over a sample size of about 100. You should be improving and getting better as you go though and that's bottom of the barrel level. Most guys won't even approach 50 girls in their entire life though and that's why most people suck so bad. I've seen a handful of guys claim worse numbers than that but assuming it's true, I think it's due to uncommon specific leaks that are…
/r/seduction02/02/17 01:11 PM
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It's definitely not a cultural problem. We have had people sarge all over the world. What you are experiencing is not normal. One thing I do know for sure, is that if you have done 600 approaches, only got 5 numbers, and none of them called you back......you have a gigantic fucking problem somewhere you need to fix. I don't know what it is but it's big, moby dick sized big. Like, it must be a specific bad habit that you do consistently all the time. There is no other explanation for those result…
/r/seduction02/02/17 12:52 PM
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Op gets it :) I fully realized that that culture was totally bullshit. Ain't that the truth. lol, it really is. Lies upon lies upon myths and urban legends that few people question.
/r/seduction02/02/17 12:23 PM
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You have to be royally fucking something up, like majorly.....to get only 5 numbers out of 600 approaches. Even for the short timeframe of your sets. 15 minutes is the upper end of the time frame of your sets? Why only 15 minutes? Are you ejecting? Going for a lay in under 15 minutes every time? If I had to guess, I would wager it is a rapport problem. Can you give me an example of how a common set goes for you?
/r/seduction02/02/17 12:15 PM
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could you tell me your simplified 'game 101' To simplify it, I just open directly and pay a lot of attention to how she responds. If she likes the attention, I just try to keep it comfortable for both of us and escalate as much as possible at a steady pace. Very ballsy, polarity based style. I don't use routines or techniques (That's how I learned before I transitioned to direct though). If a girl isn't interested or it isn't going my way....I drop it immediately and just approach a new girl. So…
/r/seduction02/02/17 12:07 PM
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Is there some sort of technique that I've somehow failed to miss in the various pickup books I've read that I need to do in order to override the girls brain and make her attracted to me? I always skip the obviously uninterested on initial open. I think it is a waste of time to bother when you can just open another but there are guys that insist on sarging sets like that who use social proof routines and flash game to make it happen. Not really my area of expertise but it can be done. The answer…
/r/seduction02/02/17 11:56 AM
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I know a really funny guy who does local standup. He looks like someone threw dogshit at him through a screendoor he has so many freckles, definitely not good looking by anyone's standard. He never had problems getting laid. He has a beautiful LTR he is happy with now and doesn't do that kind of thing these days, but he has never even been a community guy. The gift of the gab goes a long way. Some comedians only have the stage presence though and aren't really good socially. Those types have the…
/r/seduction02/02/17 11:48 AM
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watch you work your magic on the hot girls in the bars. It's not magic and you wouldn't need to put an ugly mask on me anyway. lol. I'm not that good looking to begin with and I'm short. It's not as complicated as you guys make it out to be. You are simply masters of self imposed limitations. Your free to think whatever you like about such things though, it's only yourself your screwing over. If you refuse to believe it is even possible, you will never get there 100% guaranteed and it's your own…
/r/seduction02/02/17 11:27 AM
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That's how it is done son. Rack em up, and after your fuck up analyze it later. The only way people learn how to get better at anything is by making mistakes. Whether it is riding a bike or playing the guitar. You are going to fuck up sometimes but that's ok
/r/seduction02/02/17 01:00 AM
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who she initially thought was ugly What constitutes "ugly" in a woman's mind is the source of our disagreement. Men project their own understandings and perceptions on what "attractive" means when in reality, it is an entirely different issue that is not comparable from a female perspective. I am also skeptical of infields - especially in an industry The industry is cancer. There are a couple guys that I KNOW for a confirmed fact get it who work in the industry, but I still hate the industry its…
/r/seduction02/02/17 12:57 AM
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That's a good logical, computer programmer's type approach to the issue..... The art of seduction however, is a whole different animal. You would not see so many brilliant, socially awkward intellectuals that never get laid if it were not so. This is more of an emotional experience you help to create than an intellectual pursuit. If it was a purely scientific procedure, you wouldn't have the nerds who never get laid stereotype.
/r/seduction01/02/17 11:20 PM
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Pretty much every pickup coach and writer have conceded that looks do indeed matter. Even the RSD guys! The king of RSD, Tyler.....he will tell you straight up it doesn't matter if you ask him. I guarantee it. I started learning the same general timeframe he did. He was a fat, scruffy looking broke college kid when he started and he slayed it. Obviously, losing weight if you are overweight, not being obese, and being well groomed helps but that is just general common sense advice that not only a…
/r/seduction01/02/17 11:05 PM
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That 'level' doesn't actually exist to be fair Ya it does. It's not even a super advanced level. I know you are relatively new to the community because you said this. extreme good looks, fame etc We already established neither of those are necessary like 10 years ago. It used to be common knowledge but you newer guys cropping up aren't getting out of that kind of limited mentality for some reason. I don't know why it is either. Why do you think extremely good looks, fame, money, or social status…
/r/seduction01/02/17 09:53 PM
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You are welcome I took the very hard to swallow redpill on women as far as them not being the Disney princesses and angels of pure radiant beauty I thought them to be when I was but a wee lad....but I never looked at them as sluts or looked down on them despite the redpill and going on several egotrips. Sorry I can't help. I don't know how it feels to have the outlook he has so I have no idea what the best way to talk him out of it would be. Get him to watch some Zan Perrion videos. Zan is the m…
/r/seduction01/02/17 09:35 PM
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Your self respect is too low. Not sure how to tell you to fix it as everyone is different...but you really need to think about it and do some soul searching. Also, next time you have a good reason to have a confrontation, you need to have that confrontation. Nobody enjoys confrontations but pure assholes and sociopaths but you shouldn't shy away from them if there is a good reason. You don't have to feel good about it but you need to stick up for yourself and your friends when they need your hel…
/r/seduction01/02/17 09:11 PM
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Because he talks shit about the women he sleeps with. He uses words like 'slut' any time he sleeps with one, not to their face of course. I know him. He's my best friend, I see him all the time. That's sad to see him go down that path :(. Maybe a seduction community guy that went down that ego trip hellhole and pulled themselves out of it could talk to him but I honestly don't know what you could personally say to him that would help. I think you my be looking for too much in the situation to ju…
/r/seduction01/02/17 08:42 PM
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Is there a way to help my friend try to overcome his negative views toward women? How do you know he even has any negative views? Once you get to the level where you can get a new beautiful woman anytime you want, 90% of guys I have known never go back to monogamy and they don't want it. It's a good deal being a bachelor in the current age. All the sex and romance you want and you don't have to commit to anything. I know you say he is losing respect for women but how do you know that? Did he tel…
/r/seduction01/02/17 08:04 PM
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Focusing on only one thing at a time is not going to be a productive approach. Feel free to try it if you like but you need to focus on everything. Most importantly a good vibe then, eye contact, being a good conversationalist, paying attention to her and reading her body language, calibrating appropriately. It is a mosaic of things. If you focus on just talking loudly and clearly for example and ignore everything else, you could find yourself slipping into bad habits in other areas because you …
/r/seduction01/02/17 07:59 PM
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Take her word for it. People have shit to do sometimes. I know if I'm rushing to get shit done and someone is trying to talk to me I'll say the same thing. Women have lives too
/r/seduction01/02/17 04:00 AM
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You need to hunt gorgeous women that blow your fucking mind away they look so good and go talk to them and keep eye contact. Growing balls and just going for it is the ultimate redpill. All other ways are simply bandaids.
/r/seduction01/02/17 02:50 AM
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Other guys may disagree but I suggest completely eliminating a results oriented mentality in the sense of getting a number, getting a lay, etc. Just get in the habit of being able to notice a beautiful woman, going up and telling her honestly you think she looks amazing, and just having a conversation and enjoying her presence. If you can get that down, you can bypass all these motherfuckers using canned openers and indirect techniques by at least a headstart of 2 years. Not shitting you. If you…
/r/seduction01/02/17 01:54 AM
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If you have to disrespect women to respect yourself, you have a serious deep seated identity level insecurity
/r/seduction01/02/17 12:23 AM
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I wouldn't do that. Simply because, you have any idea how much money you would be spending if you did that with every girl you went on a few dates with when you date a lot? That shit adds up man. Not saying don't do anything nice for her but that's a bit over the top. Why not invite her over to share a bottle of wine and cheer her up that way?
/r/seduction31/01/17 08:09 PM
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The ones I've been around are very mainstream, very social, and usually very shallow. That's just your interpretation of them. Ever got to know one on a deep, personal level and had them share their thoughts and feelings about life with you? They have a lot of good reasons for their social behaviors. They experience different things than we do. Besides, there appears to be no thing as a socially awkward "beautiful girl." They all just want calibrated guys with a lot of social connections.. and n…
/r/seduction31/01/17 06:53 AM
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As long as what you are saying is respectful......how you open, your tone, your vibe, your nonverbals.....all that stuff is more important than what you actually say most of the time. Just don't say disrespectful shit and you can open with just about anything.
/r/seduction30/01/17 09:06 PM
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The basic principles remain the same. If you can or are willing to learn to start a conversation with strangers you could do great at it I am sure. Keep eye contact, bring good vibes to the table, kino. You shouldn't have any issues if you stick to the basics.
/r/seduction30/01/17 08:57 PM
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Explain your logic, man? Sure. There really isn't a difference between 10's and 8's aside from their own personal self esteem levels and 10's are better at sniffing out bullshitters. You should not be putting gorgeous women on some kind of pedestal. They are all women and really beautiful women are not some kind of unattainable mythical creature with ridiculous standards. They just want a guy they can connect with, they are much easier to please than you think they are. If you start cutting your…
/r/seduction30/01/17 05:15 AM
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Didn't know you had a particular person in mind when I first responded but anyways.... How can I show I'm interested? Just tell her. If you have her number call her up, tell her she is beautiful and you want to take her out for coffee. If she is interested she will more than likely say yes and if she isn't just respect her response and don't take it personally. Ask someone else out
/r/seduction30/01/17 03:53 AM
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You CAN come off as creepy. Depends on how you are feeling and what kind of vibe you are giving off. Give positive, open vibes and you will be fine. You are going to be nervous a lot at first, the comfortable part might take a little practice and that is ok, it takes time to get comfortable enough to do it as a reflex. Just be respectful and more importantly, pay attention to her....look her in the eyes and read her body language. If she likes your attention, it will be obvious so proceed respec…
/r/seduction30/01/17 03:29 AM
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The Game was basically a documentary of what was actually happening and how things were in the earlier days of the seduction community. Pre reddit, Pre facebook. The stuff in the book does work but it is outdated. We have better things than we had back then. It is worth reading though just to get your grips on basic terminology and for historical value. The terminology used is still relevant for the most part. Lots of good unintended lessons about how ego trips can fuck you up in there. Almost e…
/r/seduction30/01/17 03:11 AM
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What would you talk about if you were having coffee? Just try to get to know her after you open and make sure she knows you are interested. Talk a couple minutes and if she is feeling you, just put your hand out and tell her you want to buy her a coffee.
/r/seduction30/01/17 02:56 AM
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Yea, I generally only do daygame in random places. Gas stations, Walmart, the Mall, Taco Bell. I can't remember the last time I sarged a club at nighttime it has been so long. It's a much better vibe and more fun IMO. Anywhere you see pretty girls and you talk to them, people have had success doing it. Daytime, nighttime, early morning even....it doesn't matter. You should try it. Just approach a pretty girl and tell her you think she is cute and you want to talk to her. If she opens well then j…
/r/seduction30/01/17 02:53 AM
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Well when it comes to the "best openers".....That is entirely debatable. You can open with just about anything and do fine. The opener itself isn't all that important. The main thing is to choose whether you want to open directly or indirectly. readers pick apart the words used in the open for example. That has always been the case. People will try to dissect every part of it. Sometimes they have good points, sometimes it is a horrible point. Shouldn't take anyone's opinion on an FR as gospel. I…
/r/seduction29/01/17 04:01 PM
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I agree totally....but now the question becomes, what is the best way to dive as deep into it as you can go? I have gotten some crazy, unbelievable....not even a porno movie would present it because it is so unrealistic reactions in a first enounter......just by experimenting with tonality itself and projecting that energy in the tone of voice. I have had instant DDB looks and all kinds of crazy shit of that nature. It isn't a brag, it is simply a discovery. Have you had any similar experiences …
/r/seduction29/01/17 12:15 AM
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This is a complex topic but you already seem to get it. Yes, I get it well enough to embody it and use it....which is all you really need to know I guess. But, I really feel like polarity in general is not talked about much. Zan has never directly addressed it as far as I know though he may hint at it. RSD guys, I have seen them address it directly but they didn't seem to appreciate the significance of it either. I just have this hunch that there is so much untapped potential on the subject of p…
/r/seduction28/01/17 06:49 PM
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Is there a way to trigger loving affection from women without having sex first? Yes indeed. I may not be able to explain it the best way but.... When you see a woman that just blows you away she looks so amazing and makes you feel very strong emotions....go up to her and tell her she looks great. Most guys try to tone things down, hide how intense they are feeling, and play it cool, even a lot of guys who sarge a lot. You have to crank it up and show it to her. Keep strong eye contact. Be direct…
/r/seduction28/01/17 05:34 PM
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I'm calling bullshit on OP
/r/seduction28/01/17 05:23 PM
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Getting field experience yourself is the only way to avoid getting trolled if you are trying to learn. You can usually identify really bad advice if you have even a moderate amount of experience. It only hurts new people trying to learn. Right now, in the community.....I see the worst bad advice imaginable being spread around and perpetuated. I am not sure if it is intentional trolling or just confused people teaching other people bad shit but it is worse than I have ever seen it. Even back in t…
/r/seduction28/01/17 05:18 PM
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To enter into and stay in that type of relationship, a woman is acting from trauma That is my only point of disagreement with you. Sure, a woman could have some kind of past trauma and seek out a detrimental relationship due to some psychological damage or abuse. It certainly happens. That is definitely not always the case though, by any means. It stems from people naturally wanting sexual and emotional needs met. Some people genuinely decide that being with someone who is disrespectful is worth…
/r/seduction28/01/17 04:56 PM
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Masculinity is not detrimental or disrespectful. Never said it was. A disrespectful asshole at best presents an appearance of it. Not the substance of it. Due to the shortage of actual masculine men, some girls are so starving for it they will agree to put up with all kinds of shit just for a cheap imitation of one. They don't have to have some unresolved psychological trauma to make that choice. The same way a guy will put up with a lot of things from a girl he wouldn't otherwise do because she…
/r/seduction28/01/17 03:40 PM
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Yep, daygame is fine.
/r/seduction28/01/17 03:29 PM
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Why would you bother to relate to this guy? He sounds like a piece of work.. he's 6'6" tall and can pick up women without any problem, he's bragging about himself, and all that bullshit. Seduction community guys are my homies. That is why. I have been to a similar place where he is at mentally several times myself at different phases of development. You seem to think being tall, good looking, or just being able to pick up women for sex is all there is to it. It's not. It is a never ending quest …
/r/seduction28/01/17 03:24 PM
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but i don't want to come off as a needy person I say this with true and sincere love brother, not as a burn. You are a needy person. You have to acknowledge that and accept it as a fact so you can fix the problem. She probably gave you her number just to be nice. Your mindset is bad and you are fucking up. You are way over thinking this and investing way too much in this girl. You have to back off of her here, re evaluate yourself and then get back in there and start approaching other girls. Thi…
/r/seduction28/01/17 04:16 AM
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It should never feel like "work"....though I can relate. When I first got into this whole thing it felt like work. Because I was socially awkward, opening was painful, rejections ripped my soul, and even good experiences had a negative effect because it boosted my ego in a bad way. You gotta cut all that shit out. Realize what the real value in all of this is. Beautiful women are just amazing, you should enjoy every aspect of this. Talking to pretty girls is so much fun, so much fun. Don't make …
/r/seduction28/01/17 04:01 AM
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This, but feel free to hit her up Friday. I disagree with that approach but to each his own. If I already told her I wanted to get together and she says maybe friday, I just kick back and let her come to me. I don't see any merit in chasing it when you can just go to the mall and get an instadate anyway.
/r/seduction27/01/17 07:21 PM
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Don't bother. Let her get back to you. Meet some new women in the mean time.
/r/seduction27/01/17 06:59 PM
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Because when you do that, you are emulating masculinity. It is just a gimmic though, it is not the real thing. Girls love that energy so much, they will take even the appearance of it. They will get into detrimental relationships because they are hardwired to crave it so much. Even a drop of the real thing, they drink it up like sweet nectar That is my theory on why it works so well anyway, not claiming a scientific fact here just expressing my point of view. If you actually are in touch with yo…
/r/seduction27/01/17 05:32 PM
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I just sat there and said nothing You are a pussy. You should always stand up for a lady that is being harassed. You should be ashamed of yourself for not doing anything.
/r/seduction27/01/17 05:22 PM
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It is very difficult to get to a healthy self esteem. On the one hand, you have guys that are like "I suck and she probably won't like me, I won't talk to her". On the other, you have guys who get out of that and ego trip and be like "I'm the shit, I get so many girls, yada yada". Which is very bad in and of itself as well. It's a bandaid for low self esteem too but the other way. The healthy level is when you respect yourself and are genuinely not outcome dependent. You do not go on ego trips w…
/r/seduction27/01/17 05:03 PM
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Flat out tell me. I just had 10 other guys here tell me I need social status and money, I already flat out told you. Develop social skills by talking to women. Start approaching them and having conversations. If you are not willing to do that and work on yourself to get better, you are screwed. You have to at least talk to them. The more you talk to, the more sexual opportunities will present themselves. Social status and money is not necessary. That is an urban legend. Both of those things will…
/r/seduction27/01/17 04:38 PM
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You didn't get seduced. That much is for sure. She was dropping you a hint by the sounds of it. I'm pretty confident you could have had an amazing evening had you done something.
/r/seduction27/01/17 04:30 PM
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Good fucking lord homie....what is it about that style you hate so much? I do not know anything about it
/r/seduction26/01/17 07:52 PM
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I'm sure the exact reason is variable from guy to guy....but it definitely comes from a place of low self esteem. Tyler at RSD has a good video about that somewhere. Basing all your self esteem on the girls you get. He said he has seen guys that is actually banging tens left and right but mentality they are like "Am I good enough yet? Am I good enough yet?" I used to get self esteem boosts from it too and I had my little ego trip. From personal experience it is definitely self esteem. I wonder i…
/r/seduction26/01/17 06:08 PM
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If there's a way to get laid without all that crap I can't/won't do, please let me know. You don't like yourself, you refuse to try to improve yourself, and you obviously don't even like women. I can get unattractive women interested but when they look average-ish, it's so damn hard.. they make it impossible. The entitlement of these bitches, you know? The problem is not with them. The problem is with you. You COULD fix it if you wanted to but you flat out said you aren't willing. No one can mak…
/r/seduction26/01/17 05:57 PM
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Agreed, nothing wrong with asking nicely. Asking works as well. Statements are just more masculine and I like the experience of it better. You can be nervous as fuck when you say it too, it doesn't matter. As long as you are keeping eye contact you are good
/r/seduction26/01/17 01:04 AM
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but this does sound like it makes the asking easier if being straightforward feels too uncomfortable It isn't "making the asking easier"....because you aren't asking anything. You are just telling her what you want. It is way more straight forward than just asking. For example "Do you want to come over to my place tonight?" vs "I want you to come home with me tonight"......the statement is much more straightforward and powerful than the question. It is a subtle change that makes a huge differenc…
/r/seduction26/01/17 12:03 AM
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If you like her, go get her. That is my philosophy. That whole "You have to have 10's and only 10's" mentality some guys have isn't a good outlook in the first place IMO. Oneitis is the only thing you should worry about avoiding here. Not where she falls on the technical scale
/r/seduction25/01/17 11:57 PM
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I agree with your post though I do want to shout out to Zan on this topic. I tried out Zan's advice on the whole thing and it works great. I'll just say "I want to take you out for coffee" "I want to take you home", whatever it is. It's a damn good way to go about things and it's a nice way to flavor it. I don't really ask any questions as far as stuff like that goes. I just tell her what I want to do. If she isn't feeling it, that is fine. I will respect whatever her response is.
/r/seduction25/01/17 11:48 PM
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My first time sarging was at a mall. I was using indirect but it was still fucking nerve wracking. lol. I had a good time though. Learning social skills and all that, it was fun. Only got a few lays in the beginning but also had a lot of fun conversations and met some interesting people on top of all that.
/r/seduction25/01/17 11:26 PM
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Just eye contact and a compliment when she comes up, then just order like normal and keep the eye contact up. If she likes you, she will let you know. Just pay attention. A compliment is not going to make her feel weird unless you deliver it awkwardly.
/r/seduction25/01/17 11:17 PM
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I learned to sarge in a small town. It sucks but it can be done. If you really want to get into this, you need to go to a higher population area where there are more women. As for yourself right now though... The mall during schooltime is great for milfs. Walmart at any time. Cute cashiers at the grocery store, the hot clerk at 7/11. All great places. You need to grow some balls about approaching groups though. Stick to female only groups at the beginning, like if she is out with a girlfriend or…
/r/seduction25/01/17 09:44 PM
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You have a very limited view on the whole thing. I am sure your perspective on it gets you laid. Lots of approaches can get you laid. Direct, indirect....whether your game is tight or sloppy. It is just patently untrue you have to create sexual tension on initial contact though, it is a fact that it is not neccessary. You can, sure....but you do not HAVE to. Sexual tension will create itself as you spend more time with her. There is so much more to male and female interaction than mere sexuality…
/r/seduction25/01/17 09:24 PM
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Ya, that's exactly my point. There is zero need to create a sexual atmosphere on initial contact. That will come later all on it's own without any intentional effort on your part if all your other ducks are in a row.
/r/seduction25/01/17 08:58 PM
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It leads to better sex. If you really like a girl, as a woman...and your just like wow, she really blows you away she looks so amazing....and you come at her from THAT energy....and she likes you. You are honest about it with no hidden agendas... She will maul you like a goddamn bear as soon as she gets you alone. When you meet a girl you legitimately feel that way about and she feels the same way about you, it is the best kind of sex imaginable. Much better than just pulling a random 9 or 10 ho…
/r/seduction25/01/17 08:46 PM
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I don't smoke weed. I have absolutely no problems in this area. Never said you did either, not sure where you got those ideas from. I just feel you are misunderstanding the post. No, I get it entirely. Both OP and what you said. All I am saying is, you do not have to intentionally create a sexual atmosphere right off the bat. That will happen anyway. There are other ways to approach it that will lead to overall better experiences.
/r/seduction25/01/17 08:38 PM
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Sexual energy will develop organically. You do not need to force that to happen. You CAN do that but I think it is an inferior approach. I test drove Gunwitch method back in the day, it works. No doubt there. The way I am talking about works 100 times better though, field test it yourself if you do not believe me. The results speak for themselves.
/r/seduction25/01/17 07:36 PM
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It doesn't even have to be sexual at all. From the way you are feeling, it coulld just be a "Wow, this girl is cute. I like her". A completely lustless thing. It will get sexual eventually if you two like each other anyway and there really is no need to force it to feel sexual. Communicate that to her with the eye contact, say something verbally, kino her....pay attention to make sure she is comfortable with it as you escalate. You do not want to give off the energy of "I don't really like you a…
/r/seduction25/01/17 07:17 PM
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I love having real conversations with women. But it doesn't work. Sadly, seduction is more-or-less like this. I love having real conversations too. It doesn't hurt to be that way. I am willing to wager you are doing something socially and tactically wrong when you are in your just conversate mode. Are you keeping eye contact? Are you kinoing? Are you making your desire for her obvious? Maybe I am wrong but I am guessing you probably aren't doing those things. There is definitely a good reason yo…
/r/seduction25/01/17 06:49 PM
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I have no freaking clue how I did this. YOU didn't do anything holmes, aside from making an actual move for the number and isolating her. Pat yourself on the back for those two things but everything else is just natural. Not something you created. She liked you, you didn't screw it up. That's all it takes
/r/seduction25/01/17 06:45 PM
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Na, there are some sets you can open and they are really happy you came to talk to them. Some people are just not in the mood to have a conversation. No matter how good you open it might just be one of those people that aren't in the mood to talk. Trying to push through there and continue when they clearly are not interested is not a good idea under any circumstances. It is technically possible to pull a rabbit out of your hat but I say just excuse yourself and find a better set. That is the mos…
/r/seduction25/01/17 05:40 PM
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it was clear right off the mark that she just wasn't interested in speaking You should have dropped it right there. Should not have continued. A lot of dudes do this, even guys who have opened a lot of sets and gotten laid a lot. Never continue to pursue an interaction when the other person clearly is not interested in talking. Just basic respect. Your time is much better spent opening a new set with someone who is clearly interested in talking
/r/seduction25/01/17 04:57 PM
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How could I not? Easily, maybe you talk to her and she is not a very good person. Just because a woman is beautiful does not mean you would enjoy spending time with her. Why sleep with someone you don't really like just because they have a nice body, when you can just meet more girls and sleep with someone hotter that you actually like? You are always going to suck if you treat women as some sort of sexual vending machine. They are human beings with feelings ya know
/r/seduction25/01/17 04:11 PM
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Duno about that models thing everyone is talking about but: Vulnerable: Not hiding anything, especially how you feel about her. Putting everything out in the open Needy: Needing a particular response from a girl in order to feel good about yourself. Whether you "need" her number, her to spend time with you, to return your calls, etc. Being vulnerable and being needy are compleeetely different things. Girls know the difference
/r/seduction24/01/17 09:24 PM
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I think with all such cases of this, the odds are very, very low The odds of what? You just think she is beautiful and want to talk to her. The odds of you talking to her is 100% if you introduce yourself. Depends on if you have a goal like sleeping with her in mind before you go up to her I suppose. I personally do not mind if nothing ever comes out of any individual interaction. If you do it a lot, sex and love will present themselves.
/r/seduction24/01/17 06:19 PM
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Man, you've got to have something of genuine "value" going for you that's allowing you to get these women. I have developed into a more attractive person than I used to be but that is all internal, nothing physical about it. Not money, not social status. The fact that I have good relationships with beautiful women does not mean I am some awesome stud muffin or super skilled pua or anything. There are ALOT of pretty girls I go up to talk to that just do not like me, I can telll they don't like me…
/r/seduction24/01/17 06:17 PM
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For instance, stay fit is one that I think everyone would actually agree that it helps a lot and doesnt seem to have a flaw I don't agree that it helps alot myself. We used to sarge with fat guys back in the day all the time and they did fine. That is a TRP/body building community myth. If it makes you feel good though, do it. It is not bad life advice at all but all these guys pumping the iron who think they are going to get some kind of huge boost with the ladies are in for a disappointment. N…
/r/seduction23/01/17 09:40 PM
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It is possible for two people to have different styles that are contradictory in theory and each respective style work very well for both posters. There is just so much to this kind of thing and so many different ways to do it is all. It is more of an art than a science Then you have trolls, people lying, larping. Dudes posting field reports that are only half true and making it sound better than what it was. Clever marketers peddling snake oil. All that shit happens. You have basic things that …
/r/seduction23/01/17 06:49 PM
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And before I saw that, I assumed it was because girls just liked him, in reality, it was just him not giving up on one rejection. All the guys you might think are REALLY REALLY good are like that. It is just how the process works. Hence the constant harping on not taking rejection seriously
/r/seduction23/01/17 05:06 PM
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You don't need social proof to open a mixed group. You never need social proof to open any type of set.
/r/seduction23/01/17 04:27 PM
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"you don't really want her, you want oneitis girl". Find a girl that is WAAAY hotter than oneitis girl and sarge her. Sarge all of them that are more physically attractive. You will get over it in no time. You might get oneitis for someone else, lol...but oneitis is quite the bitch and it takes effort to get over that. You have to fight it with more women until you get to the point where you legit do not get it anymore And with all that, if I get oneitis like a little bitch now, what would I loo…
/r/seduction23/01/17 03:41 PM
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I just kind of feel as though it should ALWAYS be possible to at least get a girl to say something. I'm not sure whether I done something 'wrong' and should blame myself for her lack of interest in even talking to me, or whether there was literally nothing I could have done to get her to give me a shot. It is a mentality problem. You should ideally, and I say this from experience because I sarged for years and had this shit fucking me up so much worse than I realized was even possible.....is you…
/r/seduction23/01/17 03:19 PM
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I like the report, glad to see you are getting out. I have a few thoughts I would like to share. It really feels as though the success of an interaction is 100% down to the girl and not you! As a result, it's hard to pat yourself on the back when a positive interaction takes place I see what you are getting at but disagree to an extent. It really is entirely her choice on what happens after you open, no argument whatsoever there. That is the way the good lord intended it. We get to approach and …
/r/seduction23/01/17 02:48 PM
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Can someone explain this to me like I am a complete moron? Or at least make me not feel weird about asking people to hang out. Up the ante bra. If you want to escalate after you already had a good first date and you are ready to get physical and think she might be.... Just look her in the eyes and tell her you want to spend some time with her at home (make sure she already likes you and you enjoy talking to each other of course). If she is receptive, you are golden. If she is not receptive, just…
/r/seduction23/01/17 02:36 PM
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I can more often then not get a 5 minute chat but getting numbers still seems very hard. There's always an excuse. That hidden agenda you have there, girls can smell that on you right off the rip. I can tell you had and always have one because you said "I can get this and can not get this" It should not about what you can "get" out of her. You are definitely not the first guy to ask for her number and more than likely she seen it coming from the beginning of the interaction. Hidden agendas are a…
/r/seduction23/01/17 02:21 PM
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Cold approach leads to odds of like 1 out of every 1000. lol, no way in hell holmes. Even when you suck royal shit and are fat. It doesn't work, man. Yea it does. Either you never tried it or got blown out really hard a time or two then gave it up
/r/seduction23/01/17 02:09 PM
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Cold approaching always has been and always will be the king of approaches when it comes to dating. Nothing else in this world can compete with it
/r/seduction23/01/17 02:26 AM
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I approached them from behind put my hands on their waist and started dancing I say this as a former bartender and an approach veteran.....you CAN do stuff like that and get away with it but let me tell you something really serious you need to consider. She may be there with her man, and he may be very possessive. Whether she likes it or does not like it is irrelevant, whether she responds well or does not is also irrelevant.....if you walk up and do that at the wrong place and the wrong time wh…
/r/seduction23/01/17 12:31 AM
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A nothing comment as far as I am concerned. I wouldn't read much into something like that at all if it was said to me
/r/seduction22/01/17 11:36 PM
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Come clean and pay the piper. Man up. Tell her you felt insecure about being inexperienced and you made it up because her having more experience than you intimidated you. That is exactly why you lied in the first place, yes? I can't think of any other reason why you would have said that. In the grand scheme of things, this is not a big deal. You can learn from this opportunity and become a much better person because of it if you swallow your pride and do the right thing here
/r/seduction22/01/17 09:53 PM
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I hope you can find your future wife as well Don't wish that on me. I want to chase girls and have multiple LTR's until the day I die. Wish that on me....and pray for my soul because I could obviously use it :P Godbless you too brother
/r/seduction22/01/17 07:51 PM
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I am too, I 100% acknowledge Christ though this kind of seduction community activity is frowned on...and I really do not interact with church people a lot because everyone is so uptight about shit but I digress... That is how I met the ladies I am thinking about I brought up earlier. They are SOOOO beautiful, and genuinely sweet and caring ladies who just want a good husband who is going to care for them and enjoy being with them. You COULD ask around and find out who is single. Ask the pastor, …
/r/seduction22/01/17 06:28 PM
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I'm just saying that's really hard and even moreso since I don't feel good about myself. It is not easy to get started. No argument there. I know it is terrifying and since you already don't feel good about yourself, any rejection is going to feel like salt in the wound. The problem here is your perspective though. You shouldn't be basing how you feel about yourself on how women respond to you. I know, easier said than done but it is true. I would suggest trying to shift the focus off of how low…
/r/seduction22/01/17 05:52 PM
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I plan on saving sex till marriage. I would like to be married and settle down someday, maybe when i'm in my late 30's. I would like to encourage you to pursue that since you know it is what you really want. I say your absolute best shot even if your not a Christian, is a Church girl from a good family. There is a singleness epidemic among those ladies. I have met some truly truly amazing, beautiful Christian ladies who can not find a husband. They do not want to sleep around or engage in hook u…
/r/seduction22/01/17 05:40 PM
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I crush on girls very easily That is exactly why you are the kind of guy that can get REALLY good. I have always been so bad about crushing because women are just so great, since I was 15-16 years old. My advice to you is do not lose sight of that because that is where the magic comes from and what fuels the best experiences. Avoid getting caught up in the whole "Oh I'm gonna get laid all the time, be a super stud muffin, bang tons of tens, and then go on an ego trip and be a cocky asshole" The …
/r/seduction22/01/17 02:44 AM
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She probably liked you. Though honestly, It seems like you are way too hung up over that because it sounds like it was a long time ago. You need to meet more women man. Women are so amazing and there are a lot of them that can make your head spin just by looking you in the eyes. Don't get hung up on a coulda been shoulda been woulda been situation. That is only going to hurt your development to do so. I am sure she was an amazing girl that just flooded you with good emotions but quit thinking so…
/r/seduction22/01/17 02:00 AM
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Hell no. lol, never ever ever apologize for something like that.
/r/seduction21/01/17 08:16 PM
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I remember the cube, lol...that is old school shit. Everyone used that at least once to try it out. I don't recommend routines but palm reading is a really good one if that is what you are looking to do. So under rated. Perfect way to start kino as well. Learning how to palm read is really valuable if you are building a canned arsenal
/r/seduction21/01/17 07:02 PM
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I third it
/r/seduction21/01/17 06:57 PM
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Doesn't sound like you did anything wrong. Little polish on a few things though I thought it was the perfect moment to tell her that I really like her, and when I said that she smiled but didn't say anything in return You did nothing wrong but you could have made that obvious a lot sooner. When I picked her up I couldn't hug her because she lives in apartments and the side streets were full of cars so I called her to meet me outside and I stopped in the middle of the street so she could get in. …
/r/seduction21/01/17 06:37 PM
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Seconded, especially dancing. Socialization practice and tons of pretty girls to spin around.
/r/seduction21/01/17 04:16 PM
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I've seen some guys on here said they had to approach 1000 women before they had sex once. It's not very inspirational to see things like this. I severely doubt that is true. Probably an incel or a MGTOW larping tbh. I have seen guys that are bad, really bad....I was pretty bad myself. 1 out of 1000 is just nowhere near how difficult it is in reality. Even for amputees. I have seen people with one arm do it. I have seen all kinds of different kinds of disabled guys get good, beautiful women. Not…
/r/seduction21/01/17 04:10 PM
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Overthinking it. Just keep looking her in the eyes period, problem solved. You shouldn't even be analyzing it. Just look her in the eyes when you are talking
/r/seduction21/01/17 02:13 AM
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What is wrong with weird compliments? I say weird shit all the time but I digress.. Though to answer you, you look amazing and I came over to say hi is a pretty standard direct opener. Providing you really mean it of course. Any compliment will do. You think she is amazing? Just name one thing amazing about her and tell her
/r/seduction20/01/17 11:42 PM
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Although, it's something from within, do you guys know any way I can beat this? A philosophical shift is how I got to where it doesn't stop me from doing anything. 99% or better of guys that just start approaching and stuff....always have a goal in mind. I need to go up and get her number, maybe I get her to have coffee, maybe I pull her....whatever it is... It is a very results oriented mentality and what you are functionally doing is going up to women with the mentality of "take take take" whe…
/r/seduction20/01/17 08:46 PM
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I say stand your ground man, don't slink off and think it is just going to go away on it's own. I would just say your piece on it and leave it at that. It is a shitty situation and you can do whatever you want, but that is what I would do if it were me.
/r/seduction20/01/17 01:13 AM
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Just put your side of the story up and don't worry about it. If anyone says anything, just be like I did nothing wrong. She knows it isn't true and is just starting drama, she should really have called the cops if she thought I had been such an ass. I'd happily go to court over it and win but I do not have time for this facebook drama. Anyone got a problem with that, call the cops I don't give a fuck...lol This is just PC/shaming culture run amok, I wouldn't sweat it. Will be a funny story to te…
/r/seduction20/01/17 12:54 AM
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If I were you, I would just make a post about it and say "Hey, I thought she was cute....went up to say hi, asked her out and she said no.....next thing I know she stalked me to get my real name and is totally blowing a minor thing out of proportion." I have gotten BLOWN the fuck out super hard and never had a girl do anything that crazy. Did you legit do anything disrespectful here or is she really being that big of a drama queen about it?
/r/seduction20/01/17 12:46 AM
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I remember him from way back when he started rising on the old MASF forums. Guy knows his shit, 100% can vouch for that. From a purely tactical/strategic approach, I would go so far as to say he is the best at that kind of style. His RSD business however, I suggest not buying anything. I suggest not buying ANY content from anywhere because you do not need to pay to learn this stuff. Anything of his you can get for free though, definitely watch it and read it if you want some food for thought. He…
/r/seduction20/01/17 12:29 AM
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I told my last date "You're the 3rd best dressed girl in Chinatown tonight!" Why are you saying that on a date? I can see you saying that to a 9 or 10 when you open the set/first meet them but I can't think of a situation where that kind of thing is a good idea on a date unless you and her are really into ballbusting each other and that is kind of your banter in general. Push/pull is just a technique nothing more....its is not something you HAVE to do...but even so, you are already on a date her…
/r/seduction19/01/17 09:21 PM
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/u/revente gave you great advice. I can vouch for what he said, it is spot on.
/r/seduction19/01/17 05:32 PM
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I have trouble believing this. I know. Problem is, it is objectively true. ANY guy that has done a lot of approaches can attest to that being a fact. Even if you are really sloppy and awkward, a 0% success rate is just as impossible as a 100% success rate if you have a lot of approaches under your belt. The only two numbers you are guaranteed not to see over a lot of approaches is 0% and 100% Dude, if you thought it would take 1000 approaches to get one kiss--and not even one sexual encounter--w…
/r/seduction19/01/17 02:57 PM
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You are way too invested in her. I suggest you get off the internet, ban yourself from online dating, and meet women in the real world. You will get better faster and be happier with the results
/r/seduction18/01/17 09:14 PM
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Most people are bad. Really, really bad. Our society and the general state of relationships between men and women are fucked. Even most of the great looking guys with money are absolutely scared shitless to approach a random bombshell. Any guys who actually go out and work at it, try to get better have an insane edge over everyone else.
/r/seduction18/01/17 09:05 PM
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. Problem is, I'm heinously socially awkward, and don't want to screw up You are going to screw up a lot. I have 14 years under my belt and still screw up. lol. Shit happens man, that is going to be a part of the journey. That is the only tip I have for you. You need to be ok with screwing up and don't take every interaction so seriously. Nobody is perfect, you will make mistakes, and until you get over social anxiety you are going to have a LOT of awkward experiences before you get over it. Tha…
/r/seduction18/01/17 08:03 PM
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Ah, I see...can't really relate. I am extremely girl crazy, always have been. If she is cute enough for me to approach, chances are she is cute enough that I can just sit there and listen to her talk about herself all day long and never get bored. lol. I forget not all guys have the love bug as bad as I do. Like, to break the spell on me a girl really has to be a super horrible person or do something disrespectful.
/r/seduction18/01/17 07:59 PM
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lol, wtf did I just read I proceeded to whip my cock out and start furiously masturbating. We need to send you to the cincinatti zoo to avenge Harambe for us.
/r/seduction18/01/17 07:30 PM
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It's hard to say. Could be she was just batshit crazy and it turned him off too I suppose. I just very rarely 180 like that myself....If I am hooked, I usually stay hooked on her until she does something reallly bad to fuck it up
/r/seduction18/01/17 07:13 PM
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Are they, though? At the basic level, yes. Back in the primordial days of the community no one really knew how important a different approach is for talking to a 7 vs a 10 for example. Lots of guys were using NLP techniques with no social tactics at all like we have now. FR's is how there was a consensus on what worked and what didn't work in general. This was before the big industry boom and all the bootcamps came out and shit. You had to test what you thought was interesting to verify it was a…
/r/seduction18/01/17 06:44 PM
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I spotted this total smoke show, so I was like yeah, fuck, don't be a pussy, 3,2,1 I play it cool, mostly because I'm not all that attracted to her. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. How you gonna call her a total smoke show and have the whole "dont be a pussy" talk with yourself before you talk to her, and then be like meh not attracted? I can get ACTING like you are not that attracted if you think it has some strategic value of course but are you REALLY not that attracted to her?
/r/seduction18/01/17 06:17 PM
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The age of field reports being useful are long gone in my opinion. They are relics from the past that are no longer needed. Back in the day, negs/push pull/kino ..... all of that stuff...was in the R&D phase. No one knew what they were doing really. They were shared for the purpose of trying to figure these things out. Like....omg she reacted like THAT? Let's break this shit down boys, I will try it a few times tonight too....we may have something good here. Will report back later, over and out.…
/r/seduction18/01/17 05:59 PM
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But being mildly autistic, I'm naturally crappy at social interaction and have major social anxiety which means I never approach. So was I....lol, I am nowhere near a heavy hitter like Zan Perrion or Owen from RSD for example but in the community, we were all slightly autistic, socially awkward nerds at one point. You can grow out of that. The total fear, the awkward situations where you don't know what to say...90% of everybody in the seduction community has been there and barreled through that…
/r/seduction18/01/17 05:30 PM
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The most common piece of advice for anybody is "lift." If lifting can bump me up half a point on the hotness scale then it's worth it. That is what everyone says on the net these days. This new zeitgeist of guys online is really heavy on promoting pumping that iron. I know for a fact it doesn't matter like people say it does. I think if you are going to do it for health reasons, definitely do it....lifting is not going to really help you out much with chicks though by itself. Lot of effort for m…
/r/seduction18/01/17 04:21 AM
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'You probably say that to all the girls Only the pretty ones. You must be a player I will kick your ass at mario kart You just wanna fuck me like every other guy The only guys who DON'T want to fuck you are gay, queer as a goddamn football bat. lol....that is my kind of mentality on such things. I enjoy the results anyway. Don't get defensive about stuff like that. Have fun with it
/r/seduction18/01/17 03:34 AM
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Depends on the situation "I am not looking for anything serious right now" could mean that she just wants to fuck. It could be a polite way to let you know she isn't really looking for a boyfriend as well. Circumstances should be able to tell you which is which
/r/seduction18/01/17 02:06 AM
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I am a couple years younger than you but same height. Talk to women EVERYWHERE. Cute cashier? Flirt. Random walking by on the street? Flirt. Cute boss? Flirt. As a short guy, the only problem you short guys have is you are so fucking worried about it. It is the insecurity that is hurting you, not your physical height. I see dudes get so hung up over it and I don't understand it honestly, it never bothered me that bad. Approach anxiety was always my biggest problem but I digress. My philosophy on…
/r/seduction18/01/17 02:01 AM
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. Ain't no average looking 5'5'' guy stealing no tens from the male model guys who I used to hang out with. Trust me I know I am just some random dude on the internet but I am serious bro...it is entirely possible. I'm not the only one either. I have seen shorter and uglier than me do it too. 90% of this league stuff is nonsense and is all in your head and it is a false paradigm Anyway, my view is that outer-game does need to be spoken about more. If it was all about just having a good job and h…
/r/seduction18/01/17 01:41 AM
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My opinion is, to let her know verbally that you want her but won't because of the boyfriend. That is my personal ethics and they may not be yours, but that is the kind of person I choose to be. Most guys in the seduction community do not and never have cared about if a girl has a boyfriend/husband or not so it is a self imposed limitation I put upon myself. You do not have to value my opinion on it but I suggest you think about it at least. You do not have to do this kind of thing if you do not…
/r/seduction17/01/17 10:39 PM
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I live in a college town where everyone in the nightlife is a 6"+ jacked white or black guy. You better bring your swagger and spit the tightest game in order to pull some quality broads. Dude I am like 5'5 and I have a big ass. Not particularly good looking in general....I can steal a 10+ from the type of guys you are talking about...in a small town too. I grew up in a small town and learned to sarge in a small town. Inner game CAN do that for you. I really suggest you re evaluate your perspect…
/r/seduction17/01/17 09:41 PM
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PUA stuff is garbage Na bro, it definitely works. I have field tested all the major stuff. Applying it incorrectly is the problem people have with it. I can assure you, I field tested damn near everything back in the day. Even shitty canned openers and routines work. I hope this teaches a lesson that men have to be direct and honest. I agree with that, and acknowledge it is a superior approach. That is PUA stuff too though btw, always been direct and indirect guys. However, indirect can work and…
/r/seduction17/01/17 08:00 PM
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begin as far as having a conversation with a cougar with the intention of taking her home I suggest just focusing on having the conversation and not hiding your attraction when you are talking to her. She will definitely know why you are talking to her, older women are perceptive. She might invite you over before you even get to it. That happens sometimes. I just say play it by ear, pay attention to her body language and if she likes you and the conversation is fun, just invite her over after yo…
/r/seduction16/01/17 10:53 PM
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I find myself unable to tell them I like them You are not unable, you are just unwilling. Probably rooted in outcome dependance. Your decison to do and say those things can NOT be tied to whether you are accepted or rejected. You will be a nervous wreck every time and your self esteem will be entirely within her power. You need a paradigm shift. Maybe she likes you too, maybe she doesn't. You have to be ok with the idea that some girls are just not going to like you or be interested. NO ONE coul…
/r/seduction15/01/17 10:52 PM
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Me:Cool! I think here I motion for us to sit down at these nearby chairs to talk. Her body language instantly changes to disinterested and simply wont respond to anything I say, I don't remember what I said... and she walks away Unless something you were giving off in your body language was creepy and you were giving off bad vibes of some nature...you did not do anything wrong there. I can't possibly know that though because I didn't see it happen. Either she is just weird or you were being unco…
/r/seduction15/01/17 10:44 PM
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Scripted routines are quite a bit outdated TBH. Not that they do not work, but their function is to promote conversation. You should really focus on just starting conversations and being social in general. I started with routines myself and they are just training wheels. You will progress a lot faster if you focus on authentic communication IMO. A lot of people get stuck on them. MM does have some good info. Hoop theory, negging, social proof....all those things are tools everyone should learn h…
/r/seduction15/01/17 10:39 PM
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If she wants to hook you up, you are being downgraded in SMV When it is a real, authentic friendship....those value games and strategic things aren't a factor. You are not being an orbiter if it is a true, genuine friendship. You can just be like, hey I want to hit on that bartender....I'm going to put my arm around you and goof off for a minute before I go talk to her. etc. If you guys are friends she won't mind winging for you. Whether she wants to fuck you herself or not is irrelevant if you …
/r/TheRedPill15/01/17 10:25 PM
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Semantics, but the principle is the same. Guys talking you up can help too. Though I do agree, specifically when women do it is a more potent form. For normal people like us anyway. Then you have the rockstar status only literal rockstars get. That is another level of social proof altogether we will never experience.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/17 10:16 PM
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There is no reason ever, unless we are talking family or your boss's wife or some shit, to be just friends with a girl. Sure there is man. After you get to a point where you are satisfied sexually and satisfied emotionally, you are living a lifestyle where you talk to a lot of girls....There is nothing wrong with having a hot chick as a friend. Haven't you ever had a guy friend you love to hang with that is cool and can have interesting conversations with? Same thing is possible with women. I th…
/r/TheRedPill15/01/17 01:25 AM
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Bro, I'm 32 and still get carded for beer. lol. I look 15 when I am clean shaven. I am the same height as you too. You are over thinking things, I assure you. I overthought things a lot at your age too. Bars are not necessarily the best place for older women. During the school year, the mall is a great place. You do not need a fake ID for that. Milf central when the kids are in school. Lots of 30-40 year women that are good looking go to the mall during the week to shop. I also worked as a barte…
/r/seduction15/01/17 01:12 AM
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Social proof takes a lot of hard work and juggling that isn't worth it imo. It really depends on your perspective. If you go out a lot, chances are you will meet a girl you think is great but after you are in your abunance mentality you realize that dating isn't really a good match but you might like a friendship and just friend zone her because she is a cool chick. Especially if she is hot. It is possible to have legitimate just friends that are hot (just friends because you want it that way, n…
/r/TheRedPill15/01/17 01:06 AM
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how do I do that? Show sincere interest for her and ask her about herself. Women love to talk about how they feel about things and what is going on in their life if you just ask.
/r/seduction15/01/17 12:03 AM
1

I am also 5'5 but when I was 18 and 19 I had cougars both those years. You have to approach them IRL at that age. They appreciate directness moreso than girls your age do. It really isn't that difficult. Your looks don't matter very much, only whether you are well groomed or not. I have a little chunk, always have and never worked out or anything like that. I understand in this day and age you guys are all about pumping iron to become more attractive but it really is not neccessary. Social skill…
/r/seduction14/01/17 11:42 PM
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Social proof IMO. Proof other hot girls like to be around you is better than anything else I have seen. I am OG pua and have seen a lot of interesting situations, nothing I know of can top good social proof
/r/TheRedPill14/01/17 10:54 PM
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