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Question For WomenMyKensho/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:44 PM
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Oh no, I would venture to guess that no one here harbors any hatred of women whatsoever. The grievance is with the ideology and its consequences past and present. Especially as those consequences pertain to the infringement of men's agency or even result in explicit anti-male discrimination and/or criminalization. Examples that readily spring to mind are the Duluth Model and all of its derivative programs that have been established all over the globe (and there are MANY). Or the incredibly lopsi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/26 10:50 PM
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Yes that's true, and at the same time, it's an almost incomprehensibly nuanced subject. Basically every mainstream feminist claim or account of history is misleading, misrepresented, or overstated in some way. Alongside the incessant collective blame, selective gender essentialism, and pathologizing is feminism's ludicrous portrayal of gender roles and deprivation of autonomy as a uniquely female burden. Hopefully, I don't need to tell you how absurd that is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/26 08:56 PM
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VERY sadly, a brutal reality surrounding this is less of a willingness to intervene when men and boys are the ones being harmed. Like it's actually that simple. I'm not just speculating here; the evidence is overwhelming. Women's lives are very generally perceived as more worthy of protection, and women have been found to be especially guilty of this cognitive bias. Because basically every single men's issue is and has been routinely dismissed and ignored, a lot of us feel like we have our hands…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/26 06:49 PM
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That’s not to say that you don’t offer a few good points sprinkled in there, but I think you need to dial back your premise and stop trying to justify a sweeping generalization that women have never been marginalized or denied equal rights based on gender. I'd say I'm with you for the most part. Where you might run into a bit of trouble or confusion is how are we classifying "equal rights" exactly?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/26 06:30 PM
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In fact, it may be one of the primary epicenters of misandry. It's like misandry HQ. When prominent misandrists are lacking new and inventive ways to express their misandry, they often turn to gender studies. If forced to apply an identical and symmetrical criteria of bigotry they would normally use to root out misogyny, their entire department would implode.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/26 09:33 PM
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Taking the concept of male disposability into consideration elevates this to a whole new plane of existence. We as a species, and women especially, are generally less willing to tolerate harm befalling women. In other words, harm befalling men is general is perceived as less consequential. This renders the scale of death and misery as a direct result of misandry to be essentially incalculable and unfathomable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/26 07:32 PM
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If there's one thing feminism does not give a shit about, it's equality.
/r/MensRights12/08/26 10:38 PM
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I don't even think the pendulum analogy applies here. That would imply that gender roles disproportionately harmed women to begin with, which needless to say is debatable at best.
/r/MensRights12/08/26 10:32 PM
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This is a silly argument for numerous reasons. As with the entire criminal justice system, women are the disproportionate recipients of unjust leniency. This particular crime is especially stark in terms of its legal double standards. Women are less likely to be convicted, and if they are convicted, they're more likely to receive shorter sentences. They're also more likely to be successful with insanity related defenses. To put the cherry on top, in some jurisdictions, women alone are eligible f…
/r/MensRights12/08/26 10:27 PM
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It's worth noting that this EXTREME double standard has a measurable and visible impact on how women appear (or don't appear) in relevant stats. Like with the criminal justice system as a whole, women are the disproportionate recipients of unjustly lenient treatment. They're less likely to be found criminally responsible and more likely to succeed with insanity related defenses for precisely this offense. In some jurisdictions, women can be eligible for reduced charges on the basis of their gend…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/26 07:45 PM
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Oh yeah, I literally couldn't possibly agree more. Like I legitimately have nothing to add. That always existed in my position, or at least I didn't mean to suggest it didn't. It's just expanding (necessarily) on it. It's a movement that presents itself as out to destroy gender stereotypes, while not only relying on them, but strengthening and enforcing them to heights never before seen. It depends entirely on the current objective and optics. It's so litered with logical fallacy, hypocrisy, dou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/26 05:13 PM
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Fascinating! I'm totally open to hearing how you reached that conclusion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/26 04:11 PM
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A lot of reasons. In complete contradiction to the notion of widespread misogyny, most of the population has a pro-women bias. Among a plethora of other related research, papers like this have found that the population is generally significantly less sympathetic to men who fall behind. https://academic.oup.com/jeea/article/23/6/2212/8112864 I would put forth the assertion that we simply are more likely to infantilize women. And no group is more guilty of this than feminists. So when men fall beh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/26 02:20 PM
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The claim that women are happier single is easily refuted by quite a bit of evidence. In fact, single women report some the lowest life satisfaction in a couple high quality sources. If memory serves, the one I'm thinking of is the GSS. Women also report loneliness at roughly identical rates to men. Some surveys have them leading slightly, and others have them trailing slightly. The takeaway, there's certainly not a huge disparity in this department.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/26 09:05 PM
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Everything... literally every single malicious act a women could possibly commit has a much higher bar to clear to be considered a genuine threat. This is evident from so many well documented implicit biases that it's irrefutable. Before we even get to that point, we first have to contend with a deluge of "what made her do it?" rhetoric that men obviously don't get the privilege of receiving. I am not a fan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/26 05:29 PM
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Yes please keep us posted! I would be very interested to see what becomes of this!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/26 05:18 PM
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Hey there! Welcome and happy to have you! There are a lot of layers to this really shitty onion. In one layer, you have the well documented higher tolerance for instrumental harm that befalls men. As in, when conducting moral dilemma experiments, it's not uncommon to discover that both sexes (but women especially) designate male lives as fundamentally less worthy of protection. This means sacrificing a hypothetical man's life to save a woman's is revealed to be the ethically better choice. Close…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/26 10:17 PM
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Oddly and frustratingly, it's this exact stereotyping that feminists not only do NOT want to dismantle, but will go out of their way to solidify. It's a bit silly when you realize they will deny women the full spectrum of human agency if it means keeping the feminist architecture in place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/26 09:55 PM
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Hey man, you did the right thing by reaching out! Just because misandry is pervasive, omnipresent, and institutionalized, doesn't make a single sentence of it true. Your value as a human being and conscious entity transcends your gender. Deep down, I think you know that! If we can channel the despair into making a difference, we can really use your voice and willingness to forge a better future!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 07:40 PM
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I'm surprised this didn't actually get shot to the top of the list! Out of the litany of issues that either equally or disproportionately harm men and boys, this is the one that brought me here. Male victims of abuse. They receive a miniscule fraction of the support and outreach that female victims do, and it's absolutely disgusting. Their existence is routinely erased from the literature. They're criminalized, invalidated, belittled, and about a thousand other verbs I can think of. Feminists to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 05:21 PM
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This is INCREDIBLY common. They will maliciously reject something or give you a standing ovation for it depending the context and phrasing. An example from a recent debate had to do with women crying a bit more on average. If they perceive it as the argument is implying that women are somehow inadequate (I definitely wasn't) they will vehemently deny it and insist there's no difference in how often women cry. However, if it's framed as a marker for exceptional emotional attunement and intelligen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 05:06 PM
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That's strange, they didn't have bank accounts, but Maggie Walker here founded her own bank in 1903.
/r/MensRights03/08/26 02:19 PM
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These are great! I'm always hunting down studies! On the subject of the male breadwinner role, this was the very first study I happened upon: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0003122416655340 For marriages formed after 1975, husbands’ lack of full-time employment is associated with higher risk of divorce, but neither wives’ full-time employment nor wives’ share of household labor is associated with divorce risk. Expectations of wives’ homemaking may have eroded, but the husband breadwinn…
/r/MensRights03/08/26 02:13 PM
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And they will continue to do that right until the bitter end. For the most part, like I'm sure many of us here once could relate to, the part that the majority of people who identify as feminists resonate with is the "equality" part. Of course we know here that feminist "equality" is nothing more than an empty slogan and platitude, but I would think, or desperately hope that your average Joe Shmoe feminist has no clue. They're completely oblivious. Just as I was only several years ago. What's re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/26 10:52 PM
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Absolutely! But they'll gladly talk your ear off about how women could have bank accounts before the 70s, which is completely false.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/26 04:51 PM
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Hey man, I get the frustration. No one talks about it because scrutiny of women in really any capacity is very highly frowned upon or strictly forbidden. That's why I say all the time, the bulk of the media landscape functions or doubles as women's personal diary. Story after story and article after article readily depicts men as deficient in some way, and women very nobly picking up the pieces. Is this even approaching accurate? Of course not. Does it pass the gender swap test? Not a chance in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/26 04:41 PM
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Ah see that's where you're wrong. From their point of view, every action they take is ideologically sound, and therefore no wrongdoing has been done. This is because bigotry is literally engraved into every chapter of their doctrine and founding documents. This is why the entire ideology needs to be completely done away with or overhauled beyond recognition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/26 02:23 PM
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Bars! Standing ovation!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/26 02:17 PM
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Well yeah, and men's right to vote arguably came at a price. One that women did not and still do not have to pay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 06:31 PM
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Probably not gonna be hearing from him again. Truly, I hope he gets a grip on the potential severe internalized misandry. Hopefully, we're shooting down so much of this feminist misinformation that we're starting to make at least a small dent in the collective consciousness.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 06:48 PM
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That's strange, a large poll conducted recently by New Statesmen seemed to happen upon a very different finding. Women were WAY more likely to actively harbor negative views toward the opposite sex. By a lot. Roughly 3 times more if I'm not mistaken. They are held accountable by the way. Significantly moreso than women as a matter of fact. Let's see if we can get you to see clearly your own bigotry in action. Women commit the most neonaticide. Can we therefore justify keeping women's children aw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/26 06:01 PM
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You would have to barricade yourself in an armored bunker to avoid it! It's EVERYWHERE! Lol the entire media ecosystem has essentially become women's personal anti-male diary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/26 09:23 PM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is how the majority of us ended up in this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 09:28 PM
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It's not even a barrier. It's the primary barrier by far. Feminists have hitched themselves to leftism, only to then exclude men from very foundational leftist principles. They've designated themselves the ultimate authority on gender issues, and then not only reject consideration for men's issues, but actively prevent consideration or even worsen them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 09:25 PM
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Female violence is very, very private, covert, invisible and spiritual. I get it man. Really, I do. I'm however, not the biggest fan of this misconception. I'm of the belief that women's violence is very much visible. The only problem is, it's much less likely to appear on anyone's radar. Including the woman actually engaging in violence. It's perceived largely as inconsequential. That may not seem like a big deal, but it's an ENORMOUS deal. This is perhaps the primary factor preventing men from…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 09:18 PM
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I had a mild red pill phase, but what turned me off were the proposed prescriptions. Lol a lot of the diagnoses are either spot on, or spot on adjacent. Sadly, it's really the only widely accessible place for men to air their grievances and get feedback from other men. Meanwhile, the entire media landscape functions as women's personal diary. They can bash, pathologize, and demonize men to their heart's content. Across all media outlets, a new article about how men are the scourge of the Earth i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 09:08 PM
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Just to expand on this a tiny bit, you are absolutely onto something when drawing attention to "the entire process." Even at the arrest stage, women have been found to be SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to make their way into the criminal justice system in the first place. This topic goes VERY deep. This study points out: Controlling for offense seriousness and a variety of other factors, logistic regression results showed that the probability of arrest for females was 28 percent lower for kidnapping,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 12:23 PM
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Yeah it's a combination of that, and men's spaces being villainized and stigmatized into oblivion. Since absolutely no voice or space is granted for men's grievances in essentially any media platform, they end up congregating in online spaces. The entire media landscape acts as women's personal diary for airing their grievances. Men are CONSTANTLY depicted as deficient, dangerous, predatorial, oppressive, etc. While meanwhile, any scrutiny of women's collective behavior isn't permitted generally…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 11:44 AM
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The effect is actually being captured in data. The most recent high profile example being the poll from The New Statesman, which revealed a shocking prevalence in misandry among women. Conversely, not only were far fewer men harboring negative views of women, but they were significantly more likely to report favorable views.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 11:37 AM
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After checking out the research on this a while ago, men do in fact have a height preference generally speaking, but it is orders of magnitude less strict. In other words they are much MUCH more flexible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 02:18 PM
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It's almost like employing that degree of collective shame and guilt is a potential precursor to atrocities. Like it's a pattern that has repeated itself throughout all of human history and one we should've learned from by now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/26 01:47 PM
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That's a mantra I live by. Our grievance is with an ideology, and not women. Making it about women is perpetuating the same bigoted and destructive cycle that got us here. Though, commenting on the internet and what feminists have done are on two totally different levels.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/26 01:42 PM
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It absolutely is not for women's "equality." It's for women, and that's essentially where it ends. And even then, it's largely for a very specific vision of what they dictate womanhood should look like. Equality would imply a desire to intervene on behalf of both sexes. That is NOT the reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/26 01:36 PM
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It's not even necessarily the claim of being about everyone's equality. It's monopolizing the concept of gender equality itself. Feminism has become the one and only authority on the matter despite having zero interest in fair gender treatment. It's actually quite tyrannical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/26 01:25 PM
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You are absolutely right! If only feminist activism hadn't amassed an incomprehensible amount of power and influence, which it then uses to destroy any men's movements in their infancy. While also declaring itself to be the sole "gender equality" movement. It's like repeatedly kicking someone while they're down and being confused about why they're not getting up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/26 01:19 PM
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Thought experiment! Imagine, a new survey comes out hot off the presses, and it shows men overwhelmingly harbor more negative attitudes toward women than the other way around. What is the majority of the population's first instinct going to be? Would there be a demand for women to engage in some introspection and self-reflection? You and I both know the answer.
/r/MensRights17/04/26 10:06 PM
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Wow what progressive circles are these and where do I find them? We absolutely need to hold men and women equal accountable. Unfortunately, we are a very long way from that point. We are living in what very well could be the most openly misandrist time in all of human history.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 09:53 PM
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Thank you so much for putting that together!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 12:44 AM
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Dude thank you for sharing! I have a gigantic study collection, and I will absolutely add this one if I don't already have it. For sure, I've reviewed the NISVS reports this seems to be drawing from. The CDC caught a bit of backlash upon the publishing of their most recent one as the quantity of male victims magically shrunk significantly. Given that virtually nothing has been done to raise awareness or outreach for male victims, there is absolutely zero way that's possible. If anything, I would…
/r/MensRights13/04/26 08:05 PM
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You are absolutely right, and that double standard is easily among one of the most harmful. You'll notice that a lot. Among feminists, they will gleefully treat women like a monolith when it's convenient or makes women look good and noble, but detest it in the opposite scenario. ALL women are definitely happier without men without exception, but we have to be very careful about context when even a single woman is caught being abusive or malicious in any way.
/r/MensRights13/04/26 07:16 PM
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If a woman maliciously falsely accuses a man of rape and it can be proven she did so.. the man isn't suddenly allowed to generalize ALL women as liars due to his experience.. But when a woman is raped its treated as evidence of ALL men being rapists.. This point is EXTREMELY profound. This is however, something we need to stop doing. Putting women in the false accuser camp and men in the rapist camp. As if women are not regularly perpetrators of sexual assault and are relegated strictly to makin…
/r/MensRights13/04/26 05:54 PM
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Lol I genuinely have no idea who's asking what of who between you two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 07:08 PM
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Did you actually just post a chatGPT summary? Of course it's controversial. It makes known a phenomenon that's documented in countless other places. Including by other feminist academics. It's funny, I've engaged chatGPT in debates surrounding men's issues and seem to back it into a corner nearly every time. It will say something to the effect of "you're right to push back on that." Over and over until we eventually land on common ground.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 03:51 PM
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You just literally perfectly summarized decades of prominent but incredibly flawed research.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 06:52 AM
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I'm sure the countless men that derived a great deal of morale and motivation from defending their wives and family when drafted into war might take issue with your statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 06:41 AM
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You can start by pointing out how they're reducing women to their reproductive value when they find it convenient for their argument. And the fact they're even attempting to negotiate the value of men's lives is incredibly concerning. This all comes before things like genetic diversity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 06:38 AM
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It would be more accurate to characterize it as coming to men's defense in any way is basically a crime so you have to deflect from it almost immediately. You can quickly signal loyalty to this particular brand of "leftism" by displaying your disdain of men loudly and proudly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 06:34 AM
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This is an all-time classic that I've suggested to numerous people. The overwhelming vast majority of them most likely never read it, and would prefer to live in the fantasy that men are the eternal perpetrators of everything ever. To anyone who may be new here, this single paper contains information that is extremely relevant to the numerous other men's issues. If you can spare the time, I HIGHLY recommend reviewing it in full!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 06:27 AM
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That's because feminist academics have been hard at work for some time now erasing male victims and masking female perpetrated violence. One way in which they do this, to quote one paper, is by employing a "strategy of containment." I'm quoting the paper that literally put those words in quotes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 03:37 AM
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Oh yeah and all those guys working an evening or graveyard shift of any kind are gonna have to figure something else out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 03:34 AM
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If hypothetically feminism were to play out in the same way it has everywhere else, any female disadvantages would be swiftly eradicated. While also completely neglecting male disadvantages and mocking their existence and/or laying all the blame squarely at the feet of men themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 01:49 AM
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The biology one takes on many interesting and frustrating forms. On one hand, a feminist trope is to heavily minimize any significant sex differences. And then at the same time, all of the harmful biological sex differences nearly exclusively belong to men. We therefore need to model our culture around the more virtuous and harmonious female modes of being.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/26 06:19 PM
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Yeah that's not gonna work here. Not because we lack empathy, but because you seem to be advocating for discrimination based solely on gender. There's a wealth of information on this subject, and you would be wise to explore all of it. Female perpetration of sexual assault is not uncommon at all. Depending on the data you're looking at, it can absolutely reach parity with male perpetration. It's odd and awfully convenient that a sizable cohort within academia seems absolutely hellbent on keeping…
/r/MensRights26/02/26 05:40 AM
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You must be new to the men's advocacy space. This topic has been dissected and analyzed rigorously and at length. You tend to lack data on female perpetrators when you go out of your way to keep them out of said data.
/r/MensRights25/02/26 02:21 PM
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Yes! I love sources! Lol I have amassed a GIGANTIC collection on every men's advocacy topic you can think of. Edit: you may already have this one, but I wanted to toss one of my studies into the pot. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09645292.2023.2252620#abstract
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 08:10 PM
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So your position is making value judgements based on immutable characteristics is something we should be striving for?
/r/MensRights24/02/26 04:20 PM
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I'm sure you have a wide variety of colorful ways in which you justify it. We'll do a little thought experiment. Knowing that women are more likely to commit neonaticide, infanticide, and certainly just as likely to be abusive toward children, would it be misogynistic to be apprehensive of leaving a kid with a woman?
/r/MensRights24/02/26 04:03 PM
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Wow! You came out as a misandrist right out of the gate. Lol it usually takes a little longer.
/r/MensRights24/02/26 03:54 PM
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Full stop, society is absolutely verifiably not "more tolerant of women's suffering." I can thoroughly refute, debunk, and trash that presupposition on multiple grounds. In the interest of keeping it brief, I'll share some of them: Worth the Risk? Greater Acceptance of Instrumental Harm Befalling Men than Women Even in these traditionally female contexts, participants still more readily accepted IH to men than women. Findings indicate people (especially women) are less willing to accept instrume…
/r/MensRights24/02/26 03:16 PM
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It's very simple, address male dominated issues... with a large helping of making multiple public service announcements revolving around the subject of misandry. In said announcement, it should be made very clear that misandry is not a lesser insignificant subcategory of prejudice. To be blunt, that's complete bullshit. It's every bit as serious as other forms of bigotry. In a time when male suicide DWARFS female suicide, considerable effort should be made to condemn and strongly encourage it. T…
/r/MensRights24/02/26 02:57 PM
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Here's a particularly disturbing double standard for you, a justification currently and commonly given for circumcision is that women find it more aesthetically pleasing. Think about that for a second. Imagine a world where we justified FGM because "men like the look of it."
/r/MensRights23/02/26 06:13 PM
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Absolutely savage refutation in the best possible way! I sincerely could not have said it better myself. Very well done sir.
/r/MensRights23/02/26 03:01 PM
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Feminism absolutely under no circumstances is about equality and it's not even debatable. There are truly and legitimately so many examples of this that it's sincerely overwhelming. Tell me, where is the push or initiatives to increase male participation in higher education? Within higher education, there doesn't seem to be any strategy forming to bring more men into female dominated fields, but there sure as hell is an ongoing campaign to get women in STEM. We could be getting more aid to male …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 06:32 PM
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Yay! It's another visitor that doesn't understand the history of women's rights, conveniently glosses over men's rights or lack thereof, and feels the need to lecture a group that very likely has more insight into the topic than he/she does! These are my favorite times!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 06:05 PM
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There's a significant difference between men's rights and feminism. Men's rights groups do not have a strict doctrine which they adhere to. There is no men's rights equivalent to patriarchy theory. Men's rights groups do not leverage the entire field of psychology and related fields to pathologize, demonize, and scrutinize femininity. It can be argued that right from the declaration of sentiments in Seneca Falls, feminism's foundational texts are prejudiced with broad sweeping and harmful stereo…
/r/MensRights16/02/26 10:27 PM
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I want to point out a shocking realization I had! A mental exercise I do quite often is the gender swap test, and it just so happened I was pondering the topic of circumcision when it hit me. An actual justification I have heard for circumcision is that women find the look to be appealing. Pause right there for a second and think about the gender flipped version of that. Imagine a world where FGM was given the justification that men find it aesthetically pleasing. If that is not an astounding ex…
/r/MensRights16/02/26 08:33 PM
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Yeah, so create your own incel and misogyny spaces far away from society. Just saying, if you are using this thought process and shielding behind men's rights, youa re only hurting your cause. This is legitimately feminism's entire modus operandi. Misandry and bigotry shielded by women's rights. Not only is it not relagated to the fringes of society, but it has been elevated to the point of gaining an incomprehensible degree of power and influence. Renowned feminist authors and thought leaders h…
/r/MensRights16/02/26 08:18 PM
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I'm really not sure why this was downvoted. Men and women have been found to report loneliness at very similar rates. This Pew article for example: About one-in-six Americans (16%) say they feel lonely or isolated from those around them all or most of the time – including roughly equal shares of men and women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 03:21 PM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Karen Straughan!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 03:15 PM
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You're a legend man. I also want to see male suicides brought waaay down to being at least in same neighborhood as women's (ideally we could eliminate it altogether). Maybe homeless men and especially the unsheltered homeless can be brought to parity too. Wouldn't it be cool if we boosted men's enrollment in higher education to reach symmetry with women? Now that I think about it, the workplace fatality ratio is way off too. Along with men's access to DV shelters suitable for their needs. Oh yea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 03:13 PM
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You may be surprised to learn that rates of intimate partner homicide were actually similar between men and women. There's quite a few good resources on this, but I must have lost the primary one I want to cite. Perhaps someone else can find it. For instance, this study asserts that: Before the mid-1980s, the number of women victims of intimate homicide was not much higher than that of men victims. However, by the 1990s, about three women were killed for every man. A reason that has been propose…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 10:15 PM
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If they were to step into the verbal ring with some of the best debaters in any of the men's advocate subs, I can guarantee you they wouldn't stand a chance. There are some astonishingly intelligent and well informed members of these subs. I think to at least some degree, we don't go over there because there's a strong chance a ban would soon follow. And they stay over there because they do NOT like being challenged.
/r/MensRights11/02/26 05:33 PM
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I understand very well how you feel. Many of us here started as feminists :) This gets said a lot, but just to reinforce it a bit, I want to paint a picture for how aligned some of us used to be with feminism. I would physically feel myself cringe when hearing it criticized or demeaned. Like a visceral gut reaction. A theory of mine is many of us hinged our support for feminism on its stated pursuit of equality without looking too deeply into it. We mistakenly assumed that feminism and egalitari…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 03:25 PM
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So what? The numbers aren't going to even out, even if you take the most liberal estimations possible. They absolutely even out. Even without more targeted encouragement for more men to come forward with their story. Especially in terms of annual or 12 month prevalence. Mens underrepresentation in those stats is a consequence of much more than them being less likely to identify let alone report their assaults.
/r/MensRights09/02/26 10:22 PM
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Absolutely. There seems to be this misconception that men are overwhelmingly more lonely and that women are living the high life or their "best life." Lol if we're going by actual survey data men and women report loneliness at essentially the same rate.
/r/MensRights09/02/26 06:17 PM
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I do agree that men are suffering… because of patriarchy. Basically everything you said is copy and pasted nonsense straight from the field guide to feminism, but I'll zoom in on this one sentence. There's nothing to "agree" to. There's no argument to be had about whether or not men are suffering. They wouldn't make up 80% of suicide victims of that weren't the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 03:35 PM
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Personally, I revise it with gender roles have been oppressive. Given the context of living conditions in the deep past, I can certainly understand why strict gender roles were implemented and even legally enforced, but that doesn't make it right. And it doesn't make them appropriate as humanity continues to evolve. The most damaging element of this has been excluding men from consideration and the conversation. Followed closely by the shaming, mocking, and denigrating. Lol actually, those could…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 06:41 PM
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Unless of course if you're a women. Then sexual restraint is patriarchy and infringes on your right to explore your divine sexuality. /s
/r/MensRights03/02/26 06:08 PM
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Not seeing the reason doesn't mean it isn't there. It means you aren't looking in the right spot. Be well and take care of yourself, my friend.
/r/MensRights02/02/26 03:10 PM
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I'm also a leftist and a regular contributor to LWMA. There's no shame in acknowledging that a great deal of the toxicity on this issue and many other men's issue originates from other leftists. What I said was not an attack on leftism, but it certainly was a commentary on a culture that has developed in some of today's leftist spaces.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 04:50 PM
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You want to see something hilarious? Lefties immediately shape shift into conservatives when this very subject comes up. They jump so quickly between reproductive autonomy if you're a woman and "keep your legs closed" if you're a man, I'm surprised they don't get whiplash.
/r/MensRights22/01/26 03:29 PM
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I think Trump being elected can be directly connected to the subject of the post. It can be interpreted as a form of protest and backlash against the culture being described.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 06:10 PM
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That sentence is kinda vague don't you think? "Most women work too" could mean 5 hours a week, or 50. Men absolutely and objectively spend more time on paid labor, so it would then make sense overall that women spend more time on unpaid labor to compensate. What feminists either deliberately or unintentionally misrepresent is that first part. They omit the fact that men spend significantly more time on paid labor, and will then proceed to claim that women are doing more chores even when their pa…
/r/MensRights20/01/26 06:04 PM
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Lol you are a legend!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 05:45 PM
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You're mistaken. I can engage and very meticulously dismantle every single one of your misguided arguments. I do it all the time. Patriarchy theory (strong emphasis on the word theory) is a theoretical social framework. It is not a definitive guide to anything. It very carefully selects elements that bolster its model and rejects everything else. Rather than examine how women interface with their environment and the people around them to direct the course of their lives, it instead opts to treat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 05:23 PM
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You're just not a leftist Nooo! Lol take it back! This passage and your refusal to engage with the arguments vindicates my comment. You do realize I literally just got done commenting on your preemptive refusal to engage with my engagement of your arguments right? Did that register at all?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 02:29 AM
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If you truly believe the answer to these questions isn't patriarchy, don't even bother responding. Really? Did you forget to delete that or something? Are you actually interested in healthy debate or did you get lost on the way to one of your echochambers? I've tried to refrain from feeling this way, but the more feminists I talk to (it must be hundreds by now) the more I feel like the ideology has become a parasite that has lodged itself deep within leftism. Like a tick that desperately needs t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 01:50 AM
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There's only a single metric by which you can argue that patriarchy theory holds any merit within the system we have today, and that is the actual number of men occupying positions of power. Not even how that power trickles down to the rest of the population. Literally just the number. Beyond that it's not only useless, but actively misleading. When examining the outcomes of the other 99% of men, patriarchy theory is so off the mark that it would be laughable if men weren't in such dire straits.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 08:12 PM
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Andrew is definitely a skilled debater, but he's not really a MRA. He doesn't debate matters pertaining directly to our particular cause very often. It would be incredible to see more people following in the footsteps of Karen Straughan or Janice Fiamengo take the stage (oddly both women). For those who aren't aware and are wanting to get serious about the MRM, those two are almost mandatory introductory material by the way.
/r/MensRights15/01/26 06:24 PM
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Yes, and no. Depending on which data you're looking at, domestic homicide rates between men and women were actually not far off several decades ago. As DV shelters and services exclusively for women began opening up, it was actually men's victimization that went down.
/r/MensRights13/01/26 08:26 PM
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You've been here a while and you've offered some great contributions to the conversation, but you've also taken some heat. That being said, a feminist daring to enter to a men's space let alone stick around and continuing to engage takes courage and determination. Not because this is a particularly hostile space, but because many feminists short circuit in subs like these. I’ve met some who don’t even believe men have any issues We both know this is an extremely common feminist stance. Does that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 06:21 PM
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On the day following the last election, I was devastated. I've been extremely frustrated and exhausted by right wing rhetoric for decades. It's only now, that some of the messaging coming out of leftist spaces has been able to reach and sometimes even surpass that level of utter disdain and loathing. I find myself regularly baffled as to how I've been so blind to the pure unadulterated bigotry and toxicity that these people stew in and propogate. I had heard commentary numerous times about how t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 06:05 PM
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We can run a little comparison. What's worse, women are "second class citizens" or "men should start off in jail and earn their way out?" Let's try another one, "women belong in the kitchen" and "men used to go to war." "Abolish the 19th" and "The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." There seems to be a pattern emerging here. Why is one considered fringe and radical (it should be of course) but the other goes viral?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:05 PM
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Just to expand on this, saying it's a minority of men doesn't even remotely do it justice. Even outside of how radically different the criminal justice and law enforcement treat men and women, thus obscuring data about real on the ground violence, the percentage of men who are violent criminals is low single digits AT MOST. Easily below 5 percent. If we narrow that down even further to violent sex crimes, it shrinks dramatically. Maybe propagandizing entire generations of women into conceiving o…
/r/MensRights12/01/26 06:12 PM
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I'm gonna have to pause on one thing, are you suggesting men's advantages did not come with cost? That's very important to get clear right outta the gate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 03:25 PM
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Who is perpetuating the dangerous rhetoric? Are you suggesting women pretending to be male allies are perpetuating dangerous rhetoric?
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:40 PM
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No it's demonstrably true. That was a great way to characterize it.
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:11 PM
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You are doing the opposite of helping. Our grievance is not with women, it is with policy, discrimination, ideology.
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:09 PM
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This is just the very tip of the iceberg unfortunately. If we were to perform our favorite exercise, the gender swap, we all know things like genital mutilation and military conscription would be banned and considered a greivous human rights violation PURELY on bodily autonomy grounds alone. We interpret harm radically differently depending on the gender experiencing it, and this is where the concept of male disposability comes from. To say that men's pain and suffering is minimized would be a l…
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:05 PM
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I would love to hear any kind of valid argument or justification as to how exactly this is not extremely harmful systemic male discrimination. Both optically and materially.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 06:14 PM
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I'm gonna have to lovingly push back on this. Remember, the grievance is not with women, it's with the ideology. We all share the human condition, and in a way that's beautiful! As easy as it can be to fall into despair, try to keep the distinction between women as human beings and feminism as an ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 06:05 PM
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This is also a bit of a misconception. Specifically within domestic settings, women are no strangers to inflicting actual physical violence. Depending on which data you're looking at, they can be even more likely to perpetuate unidirectional violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:25 PM
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You can't see it right now, but I am giving you a standing ovation! Very well done! Feminist doctrine is incredibly harmful for precisely this reason. It does NOT permit men to be a victimized or disadvantaged group. Its survival depends on it. Or if it does, the responsibility must then be redirected back onto men themselves. This is the pattern among other lefties that I began to notice and later loathe. We do not grant men the same special consideration that we would any other group because "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:15 PM
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It's comments like this that make me so grateful for this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 05:56 PM
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Why do I get the sense that even as your trying to develop a critical eye, you still are having trouble relinquishing the "men are predators" world view? You seem to still want to apply it to men of the past, but give grace to men of the present.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/26 01:33 PM
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That's what I thought, until I actually looked myself up. Sure enough, there I am.
/r/MensRights02/01/26 08:26 PM
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Thank you! I'm so glad so many of us are aware of those earlier reports!
/r/MensRights02/01/26 08:14 PM
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Women generally aren't as interested in STEM. That didn't stop us from moving heaven and earth to incentivize women into joining those fields. For some reason, we can't seem to grasp that the same strategy can be employed to get men into HEAL fields.
/r/MensRights02/01/26 01:49 PM
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Wow! That's a great source! Thanks man! Do you have more like it?
/r/MensRights31/12/25 11:36 PM
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But yeah.. it seems interesting that men looking at porn is demonized and treated as "Degrading" and "Misogyny" But for women its considered "Liberating" and "Expressing themselves" I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything that this doesn't map onto. Everything is liberating and expressing themselves. Has anyone caught a glimpse of the several articles essentially glorifying female rage as righteous and just? Or the "boyfriends are embarrassing" article? Or the "heterofatalism" article? EV…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 06:18 PM
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Yeah that's absolutely ludicrous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 03:24 PM
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Oh my god that rebuttal drives me absolutely insane. These people are gone. Forever. They're not coming back. The two are not comparable. A survival of a suicide attempt can go on to become a success story. A suicide cannot. My theory is their in-group bias is so powerful that it will not allow them to relinquish victim status under any circumstances, as it comes with elevated social standing. And feminist doctrine requires that everything wrong in the world is either directly or indirectly conn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 01:31 PM
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Largely how it operates now is a club for women (and a few men) that you can only gain entry to if you accept feminism as your Lord and savior. It has been coasting on the misconception that it grants women choices, but even that is wearing thin. In practice, only a very specific life path is endorsed by feminists and you risk cancellation of your club membership if you deviate from it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 01:12 PM
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That's exactly the point! Answer me this, honestly, if a man with as much clout as Sabrina Carpenter did this, what kind of reactions would we get out of the public? We both know his career would be over in an instant. Misandry is beyond normalized. It's humorous. It's a punchline. Mocking, shaming, belittling, denigrating, devaluing men is not only acceptable, it's celebrated. At a time when male suicide absolutely dwarfs female suicide. Doesn't matter because men's feelings are meaningless and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 03:23 PM
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People like you are destroying the left's reputation. And I say that as a lefty. Your underlying bigotry basically oozes off the screen as I read your comment.
/r/MensRights23/12/25 08:36 PM
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Misogyny and misandry have always existed in parallel, and to suggest otherwise is completely absurd. You're essentially suggesting that women are so innately immune to moral corruption that it takes men to disturb their purity. No woman could have possibly harbored hatred or prejudices toward men on the basis of gender prior to experiencing some kind of misogyny. Do you realize how that sounds?
/r/MensRights23/12/25 08:25 PM
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Or the myriad of ways in which male disposability manifests.
/r/MensRights23/12/25 08:19 PM
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Statistically, the only class of crime women are more likely to experience due to gender is sexual assault. There's also data that refutes even this. Especially in annual or 12 month prevalence terms. A HUGE reason why men are so underrepresented is because we take most perpetration of any kind by women far less seriously formally and informally. Men literally do not realize when they're being assaulted or harassed. Partially because they're expected to enjoy it. By both genders.
/r/MensRights23/12/25 08:16 PM
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Well, a lot of men's dating advice can serve you well in other aspects of life. Finances, fitness, mental health, stuff like that. What's astonishing, and possibly causing friction is the radical contrast to women's dating advice. Granted, I'm sure there's plenty of genuinely healthy dating advice for women, but it doesn't go as viral. The more popular and toxic advice often equates to "stand around and wait to be worshipped." So there's that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 03:13 PM
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I've done a lot of reading and been on a lot of threads regarding this, so allow me to summarize: Men's position seems to be: "hey what about our mental load?" Women's position seems to be: "doesn't matter everything is worse for us."
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:20 PM
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Addressing sexism and gender based prejudice should be a priority. Do you see the enormous difference? There has arguably never been more blatant and rampant misandry in all of human history.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 08:22 PM
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Come on! Genuinely, can you not see the gigantic hole in this? There is absolutely NO curriculum of any kind on misandry. We still are at a stage where we're struggling to acknowledge it exists at all. In the world we're creating, a women will have grown up all her life seeing men needing to be subjected to a series of "corrections" just to be a functioning member of society. She's fortunate though because women aren't innately morally corrupt like those nasty men. Does this sound even remotely …
/r/MensRights18/12/25 01:52 PM
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My man! Coming in with bars!
/r/MensRights18/12/25 01:43 PM
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So hypothetically, let's say as a girl in school, you see exclusively boys needing to be "re-educated" about misogyny. What kind of message does that send? Would you maybe start to think boys are somehow defective? Would misandry even be on your radar at all? Better solution. How about we offer courses on implicit biases and prejudices on the basis of gender to EVERYONE? It's actually discouraging that this needs to be explained.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 01:40 PM
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According to feminist doctrine, misandry CAN'T be as serious as misogyny. Their ideology will not allow it. Women and girls will therefore continue to receive virtually no consequences for misandry. All the while suicide rates for young boys totally eclipses that of girls.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 01:32 PM
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If there's one thing we don't want to do, it's be dismissive to any potential allies that show up on our doorstep.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 11:56 AM
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Out of curiosity, what rights are you referring to? We already know essentially no attempt has ever been made to alleviate men's oppressive gender roles so there's zero use in exploring that.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 11:49 AM
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Can we please track down some solid evidence that this is deliberate? And carefully document this shift? If there is any possible methodological change that can be made to bring down the number of male victims, it is virtually guaranteed that they will quietly implement it in the background. Given that we know male victims are particularly known for being unlikely to report, the ethical thing to do would be to take steps to support and encourage them to come forward. For the sake of victims and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 09:50 PM
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Very succinctly put, and this drives me INSANE!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 01:08 PM
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I sincerely hope it's not the irony I think it is. If so, it would be extremely misguided.
/r/MensRights16/12/25 12:58 PM
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Lol the methodology involved rigorous debate first internally, then with a good friend, and then eventually chat GPT for some reason. Ultimately, it is just a position I hold, but I do believe I stand on very firm ground. The idea initially appeared after I learned about the Duluth Model, created by the DAIP. The question of whether or not this qualifies as oppressive to men popped into my head, and eventually I reached the conclusion that it absolutely unequivocally does. From there, I began ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 06:20 PM
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Well, it can be upsetting in a sense. Not necessarily upset with you the individual, it's more like upset with the propaganda and how deeply embedded these talking points are in most people's psyche. Taking your history from feminist dogma is a quick way to find yourself not only misinformed, but in a spiral of hatred and resentment. History from the feminist perspective is told in a very deliberately misleading fashion. For example, many people walk around legitimately believing that all women …
/r/MensRights15/12/25 06:03 PM
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I can understand if your new to this space, how that can seem off-putting. I used to be in that position too. Where any critiques of feminism made me cringe. However, when you take a peek behind the curtain, and investigate the ideology thoroughly, you can EASILY make the case that it has oppressed men. Bold claim, I know. I can elaborate a little further if you want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 03:17 PM
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Welcome my good sir! Lol here you will find intellectual powerhouses and renowned social commentators! I might be upselling it just a bit, but it genuinely is a fantastic community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 02:58 PM
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Wow! God I miss that. It could just be me, but those jokes landed totally different than they do today. Back then, we would poke fun at our shared experiences with each gender, but it felt endearing. Like, these certain qualities in men and women can be perhaps irritating sometimes, but it's all apart of the beautiful dance of life. It brought us closer together. Something changed dramatically between then and now. Now, it is completely different. There could be some element of confirmation bias…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/25 06:08 PM
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Dude, a male celebrity even approaching anything of this sort would be publicly eviscerated and be shamed into exile. Feminists would probably tell you something to the effect of '"it's okay because we're punching up." And in there heads, that's totally valid. There's also another sub layer of misandry here, and it's once again, male disposability. I've explored this concept so deeply that I can probably write a thesis on it at this point. Men are perceived as being able and/or obligated to abso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/25 05:58 PM
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No no that's impossible! Feminism is for men too, remember? They didn't make that up did they? Lol why would they lie?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/25 05:46 PM
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That is precisely what a paid bot shill undercover CIA operative plant would say. Lol in all seriousness, masculinity from a left wing perspective? What does that entail?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/25 07:11 PM
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In other words internalized misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/25 03:37 PM
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Leading feminist organizations are absolutely not interested in equality. There are numerous ways I can demonstrate this to you. Let's take a look at the United Nations or the World Economic Forum. When measuring gender inequality, to what degree do they factor in metrics in which men are falling behind? Once one of these metrics is identified, how much time, energy, and resources would you say they devote to addressing it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/25 03:20 PM
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Yeah that's ridiculous. The reason more and more men are turning away from feminism is because it's being revealed more and more just how anti-egalitarian it actually is. The average man (and even woman) who is becoming disillusioned with feminism has absolutely zero issues with women's rights. The problem arises when your movement has no qualms about trampling all over men's rights to reach its objectives. I'll go all out. I hope the ideology burns, and from the ashes, a truly inclusive egalita…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/25 04:06 PM
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This is remarkably well said! So much so, that I'm almost skeptical that it's even real! Lol it sounds eerily similar to what chat GPT would say. I could be completely wrong and I sincerely hope I am. but it sometimes overshadows the fact that men also carry invisible emotional burdens. I'll draw your attention to this part. I would argue today's messaging doesn't just sometimes overshadow men's emotional burdens, but neglects to mention them at all. Or if it does, it depicts women's burdens as …
/r/MensRights04/12/25 10:29 PM
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You already highlighted a fabulous example. Absorbing relationship conflict and women's well documented higher degree of emotional expressivity. Which also calls to mind, men are typically granted a significantly more limited range of emotional expressivity. Again, this is not speculation, this is well documented. I love people willing to have an honest dialogue. In your honest opinion, is today's modern discourse fixated almost entirely on women's emotional labor? Is there an empathy gap for me…
/r/MensRights04/12/25 09:43 PM
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For lots of women, their gender roles are the equivalent of the antichrist. Men's gender roles, on the other hand, are just woven into the fabric of reality and are a law of the universe. That's how little thought they give to men's experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 06:37 PM
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Wait what? In the US, all men are absolutely still required to register for the selective service and risk penalties if they don't. I can check their website right now and find my name.
/r/MensRights03/12/25 03:20 PM
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Let's run a little thought experiment. Let's propose in an alternate universe, a men's movement akin to feminism was a dominant force in society and culture. And this movement also hijacked academia just like feminism has for the purposes of pathologizing women and developing elaborate theories as to why they are intrinsically toxic, morally corrupt, predatorial, and oppressive. Toxic femininity is a household term here and no one has even heard of toxic masculinity. Many women in this unverse l…
/r/MensRights03/12/25 03:06 PM
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Lol if there's one thing women are not experiencing, it's being disproportionately jailed. That is so beyond absurd.
/r/MensRights02/12/25 08:40 PM
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In my opinion feminism needs to be abandoned entirely. When you carefully go through its history, you can't help but walk away convinced that it has been a deeply bigoted and resentful movement from its inception. What can rise up in its wake is pure egalitarianism without the enormous quantity of baggage and terrible hateful ideas.
/r/MensRights02/12/25 01:53 AM
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So wait, your position is preferring not to date feminists classifies one as misogynistic?
/r/MensRights01/12/25 07:20 PM
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They're most likely referring to this and other studies that indicate that women tend to be the majority perpetrators in unidirectionally violent relationships. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/ Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 02:59 PM
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Brief add on, if you executed the online survey method to measure misogyny, you would get the same exact result. In fact, there's a strong likelihood that the quantity of misogyny would appear to be even less due to men's lack of an in-group bias. The wider public would not take too kindly to this finding as many people's entire paradigm hinges on the idea that misogyny has reached epidemic levels. But with despite all of the evidence to the contrary, we're supposed to be completely satisfied wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/25 01:53 PM
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That makes sense if you're looking at it through the lens of women's mode of being as the correct and superior option. By that I mean, men's emotional touch points should ideally reach parity with women's on average. It could also be the case that men function optimally with a few less of these close emotional bonds. I've been having a fair amount of discussions with folks over in r/psychology about how today's mental health environment treats women's treatment strategies as the default. Rather …
/r/MensRights01/12/25 01:26 PM
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I am not saying that every person has to be ideologically pure; I don't know man, that kinda seems to be what you're driving at. I'm getting some purity test vibes coming from your direction.
/r/MensRights26/11/25 05:30 PM
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Men are doing just fine in Leftist spaces from where I sit. You should pop by r/leftwingmaleadvocates in your free time. I'm sure they'd be happy to fill you in on the plight of male lefties. Subhuman isn't the word I would use. More like incompetent, predatorial, oppressive, harmful, trash, and I'm sure I could come up with some more colorful adjectives if I thought about it for more than a few seconds. Because of the echochambers we all exist in now, we don't regularly expose ourselves to view…
/r/MensRights26/11/25 03:08 PM
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We're all fighting for a cause we believe in man. For whatever reason, we as a species haven't graduated beyond the fighting part yet.
/r/MensRights26/11/25 02:56 PM
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That's a fair point. Lol both out misogyny and misandry radars are always on. The swamp analogy goes something like, dating for men is like searching for water in a desert, and for women it's searching for water in a swamp.
/r/MensRights26/11/25 02:51 PM
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No that's true. That statement alone isn't misandry. The problem is that is not conversation that is typically being had. What is being implied with things like the swamp analogy is that women are overall higher quality human beings and of more robust moral character. Wait are you suggesting women engage in less harassment? Especially online?
/r/MensRights26/11/25 01:54 PM
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Really the only argument you can make to defend this stance is more men suck on average. In other words, misandry. It usually goes, while men get FAR less matches, women are intrinsically higher quality people so those matches are more worthwhile. This of course is totally ridiculous and it ends up devolving into not so subtle attempts at man bashing.
/r/MensRights26/11/25 01:42 PM
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it just boggles my mind! We consider ourselves to be in an enlightened stage of human development, and yet in some ways, it's like we haven't left the dark ages. We've bent over backwards to eradicate misogyny and left no stone unturned. Only for even more systemic discrimination against men to rise up out of the ashes. How is this even remotely acceptable? Why aren't there worldwide protests demanding the abolition of this blatantly sexist system?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/25 01:19 PM
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See this right here is great! Believe it or not we actually share a lot of the same principles and have an enormous amount of common ground. You'll find most MRAs were once feminists until discovering the rampant bigotry and total disregard for egalitarianism if it doesn't suit their purposes within feminist circles. We're both egalitarians. The difference is you haven't realized egalitarianism is not feminism's top priority, if it's even a priority at all. If you want we can go through the myri…
/r/MensRights25/11/25 03:18 PM
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It's kinda funny that you're more likely to find a "women don't see us as people" post here than a "men don't see women as people." Make of that what you will, but I don't think in all my years in the MRM, I've seen anything as outrageous as the gender flipped version of OP's post.
/r/MensRights25/11/25 02:59 PM
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There are various studies on the subject, all of which have their own prevalence and methodologies. Taken altogether, the range is between something like 2% up to 40% on the high end. Will we get a definitive answer? Probably not anytime soon. There's a lot of layers to that subject and my guess is it's radioactive inside academia because it has the potential to make women look bad.
/r/MensRights24/11/25 02:58 PM
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Hey there so sorry for the delay! I consider this study to be a great primer as it goes into depth not only about the reality of DV, but also what goes on behind the scenes in treatment. I have many more! Let me know if you're interested!
/r/MensRights24/11/25 02:52 PM
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And that's how you shut that claim down in an instant.
/r/MensRights22/11/25 01:20 PM
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Sure! Which subject were you interested in?
/r/MensRights21/11/25 03:47 AM
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Would you like a detailed list of issues that disproportionately affect men to review? I've spent years compiling evidence and I've got quite the collection that I'm always itching for an opportunity to share. You seem to be interested in the subject of violence, do you want to talk domestic violence? Sexual assault? Don't hold out on me.
/r/MensRights20/11/25 08:31 PM
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This is beautiful! I now present you with a challenge and a noble cause, and that is spreading everything you just said here as far and wide as you can. Somehow we sadly got ourselves to a point where women's voices hold the most weight on both men and women's issues. Lol such is the nature of the patriarchy. /s
/r/MensRights20/11/25 04:15 PM
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Put another way, it seems like it's a version of the dual mating strategy hypothesis. A factor to consider in younger age cohorts is men failing to find and maintain companionship in the first place. If memory serves, Pew Research found a couple years back that something like 60% of men conveniently in this age bracket were single. While around 30% of women were. It will be very challenging to collect data on men cheating in relationships that they're not in. There was a lot of speculation on ex…
/r/MensRights20/11/25 01:07 PM
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It's my theory that feminism basically exploited the women are wonderful effect and men's outgroup bias. It took advantage of men's desire to protect and shield women, and then turned around and stabbed men in the back for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 12:22 PM
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Sure, but statsitically 20% of men cheat, compared to 13% of women. I really don't understand this obsessive biological determinism and / or why we're exclusively applying it to women Kind of. I assume you're pulling this from GSS data, which typically is a decent source, despite the inherent problems that come from self reporting. We'll take it at face value though. Where you run into trouble is different age cohorts and how the dating landscape has radically transformed within the past couple …
/r/MensRights20/11/25 12:06 PM
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Oh yeah you're right. For some reason I thought the comment was referring to voting and not abortion rights.
/r/MensRights19/11/25 06:51 PM
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I do sincerely appreciate your contribution, even if we don't see exactly eye to eye.
/r/MensRights19/11/25 06:48 PM
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Hopefully it's pretty obvious. Democrats aka the establishment left are home to feminism and feminist organizations and doctrine. And feminism is verifiably and demonstrably misandrist both at the institutional and informal levels.
/r/MensRights19/11/25 06:12 PM
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Lol classic red herring.
/r/MensRights19/11/25 03:19 PM
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Democrats are home to the most misandrist and anti-male movement to ever walk the face of the earth. I'm currently still reckoning with this as I've been a leftist for essentially my entire life. Grappling with the years of programming and internalized misandry.
/r/MensRights19/11/25 03:18 PM
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While I agree that it is a horrible thing that disproportionately affects women I'm right behind you! Very quick question, when you say disproportionately affects women, what was it you were referring to here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/25 03:05 PM
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This actually brings to mind, is the infamous "1 in 3" stat attributed to Mary Koss? The misandrist feminist who notoriously played an advisory role in determining the crime of rape could not apply to women? The one who in an interview disturbingly remarked that male victims of sexual assault were only victims of "unwanted contact"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/25 03:01 PM
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The issue being referred to here is the widely expressed grievance that violence against women somehow eclipses violence against men. Or that the justice system enables or doesn't take enough action to combat men's violence specifically against women. At least that was my interpretation. This grievance is of course dubious at best, as evidenced by men facing significantly harsher treatment throughout just about every level of the justice system
/r/MensRights17/11/25 12:27 PM
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Male disposability absolutely obliterates this argument. Its death toll is truly incomprehensible.
/r/MensRights17/11/25 12:11 PM
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Apparently, according to police, that's exactly what she did.
/r/MensRights17/11/25 11:49 AM
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Can you honestly think of a way westernized countries are harsher on women? I'm genuinely open to hearing it.
/r/MensRights15/11/25 02:31 AM
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We have to be careful to be accurate on the history. If we're talking about the US and many other western countries that practiced English common law, women were not banned from working, earning wages, or having bank accounts. Like at all. In fact, legitimate women owned and operated banks existed as far back as the early 1900s.
/r/MensRights14/11/25 09:43 PM
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The women divorcing after a husband's job displacement is a fairly well documented phenomenon. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0003122416655340 For marriages formed after 1975, husbands’ lack of full-time employment is associated with higher risk of divorce, but neither wives’ full-time employment nor wives’ share of household labor is associated with divorce risk. Expectations of wives’ homemaking may have eroded, but the husband breadwinner norm persists.
/r/MensRights14/11/25 08:38 PM
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Absolutely glorious! Thanks for sharing! This mentality is nearing extinction sadly.
/r/MensRights14/11/25 08:28 PM
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I really appreciate your contributions to the conversation. I know you sometimes don't get the best reception, but every voice and ally counts. To your point, feminism is not equipped to tackle the health and wellness of men. Don't take my word for it, they'll tell you as much. Yet, they have have a monopoly on the concepts of equality and egalitarianism even though it's not their mission. Any equality must first get the feminist stamp of approval, and if that remains the case, we're screwed.
/r/MensRights14/11/25 08:18 PM
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Yes!!
/r/MensRights14/11/25 08:05 PM
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First it's treated as non-existent, then when you penetrate that obvious bullshit, they shift to an elementary "you started it" stance. That's when you typically hear about how misandry is only a result of misogyny. This level of cognitive dissonance and delusion cannot be healthy. I don't know how someone can function in such a thick web of lies.
/r/MensRights13/11/25 03:19 PM
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Of course we could acknowledge 18 year old women's agency and free will, but what fun would that be when we can engage in misandrist "men are predators" dialogue instead?
/r/MensRights13/11/25 03:10 PM
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70% of judges, 72% of congress, and 76% of governors are male. There are multifaceted reasons that might explain this we can get into, and none of which have to do with misogyny. Setting that aside for just a moment, it really puzzles me that we only seem to care when gaps favor men. Within all of the female dominated fields, there is basically no push for more male inclusion. What's up with that? Conscription is a law made by men Do you honestly think women's hands are completely clean here? Wo…
/r/MensRights13/11/25 03:05 PM
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If memory serves, he grew up in Beverly Hills but lives in the Seattle area. Unless he moved back since last I saw him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 07:59 AM
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I long for the day when "patriarchy" is wiped from our collective vocabulary.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 01:48 PM
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If you're not able to distinguish between individuals who have caused harm in your personal life and a population consisting of literally billions of people, that is a profound cognitive deficit.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 01:45 PM
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When you say "patriarchal gender norms," what you're essentially implying is that men constructed and are the architects of gender norms, and are the ones primarily responsible for enforcing them. Do you see how that can be problematic?
/r/MensRights12/11/25 01:31 PM
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That's an extremely powerful cause and any woman behind it has my full support.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 01:25 PM
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Yeah soak in all that male privilege. Meanwhile, "strong independent" women can fairly easily get an enormous amount of validation and praise for completing basic adult tasks. Very strange times we're living in.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 12:49 PM
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I'm not 100% sure about the discourse going on at the time, but now there is zero mention of the other side of equation. Like with most things in feminist teachings, men's side of the story is conveniently left out so as not to get in the way of good story telling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 12:37 PM
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Would you categorize the white feather campaign in 1914 as a misandrist women's movement? It's primary purpose was to shame men not enlisted into the military.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 12:29 PM
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I would actually love to read some of those retractions if you have any material you can share!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 12:21 PM
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Yes all of this in addition to bullying men directly to their faces.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 01:12 AM
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If you're actually interested in learning about this, I can gladly send you some resources and studies to check out. Along with most things pertaining to men's issues, it's safe to assume I've gone much further than just googling it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/25 04:07 AM
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Well in some ways it does... one example is that men's health has been WAYYYYY more heavily researched than women's. I'm definitely gonna have to challenge that claim. Whether or not that has been true in the distant past is out of my wheelhouse, but within the past couple decades or so, I'm confident this is not true. If I'm not mistaken, women's health now receives significantly more funding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/25 02:53 AM
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Yeah! And like OP was hinting at, men are not the sole architects of all gender roles. That's beyond ridiculous. Occasionally, you can get feminists to admit that women also uphold "patriarchy." But this exposes one of the many holes in patriarchy theory and begs the question, to what extent do women contribute to the formation of "patriarchy?" Is there an extent threshold we can reach where it no longer makes sense to call it a patriarchy? There's other oddities too. Why would the oppressors vo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/25 10:11 PM
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I would love to hear about how access to safety has been denied to exclusively women. I could make the exact same argument for men. In fact, men have been legally compelled into unbelievably dangerous situations against their will. Setting even that aside, should men not be afforded the preference of not riding with women when men are disproportionately affected by false allegations? This isn't even taking into consideration that women assault men on a daily basis and are held less accountable.
/r/MensRights07/11/25 08:30 PM
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This brings to mind an undeniable example of what I consider to be toxic femininity. And that is the weaponization of victimhood. It's incredibly common and a nearly exclusively female behavior.
/r/MensRights07/11/25 08:22 PM
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I'll take it a step further, we need to collectively reject patriarchy as a concept altogether. This is not something I say lightly. It's something I've given an incredible amount of thought. Patriarchy theory is woefully inadequate at best and hostile and bigoted at worst. We can dive into this further, but in my opinion, it's far more accurate to say society operates via an advanced network of positive and negative feedback and reinforcement between men and women. Rather than men and/or mascul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/25 06:47 PM
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AI has full access to all of the vast library of scientific literature that directly refutes the feminist DV agenda. The problem is you have to specifically prompt it to take a more objective stance. Google is one of the leading sources of information in the world and it has a profound and damaging ideological bias. It should start from a more neutral stance to begin with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/25 03:03 PM
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Oh this is easy! It doesn't have to do with men's preferences per se, it's more of we created a culture wherein criticizing women at all can get you crucified. Unless of course you dress it up in layers of compliments and praise, but even then, it's super risky. Thinking a little deeper on it, there's also a sub-element of misandry. In that, men are allegedly the more morally corrupt gender and by extension, so are their preferences.
/r/MensRights06/11/25 03:15 PM
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I don't know if I would go quite as far as shitting on men, but she did lean into the "insecure man can't handle a strong woman" trope that lots of women seem attached to. I would call that more self-aggrandizing.
/r/MensRights05/11/25 08:17 PM
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Wait a men's shelter? Is there even such a thing in any meaningful numbers? All I've heard is they're incredibly rare so I'm genuinely asking.
/r/MensRights05/11/25 08:07 PM
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This is a good one that was just shared by George at TheTinMen: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388675702_Rates_of_Male_and_Female_Physical_Victimization_and_Perpetration_in_Intimate_Relationships_A_Comprehensive_Review Conversely, we found that approximately one in six women (17.5%) and one in nine men (10.6%) had perpetrated physical IPV, with an overall prevalence of 12.9%.
/r/MensRights05/11/25 03:07 PM
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Throughout most of human history, that was typically how it would play out. And it's not even exclusively a human phenomenon. More recently though, an additional layer has been added on top. We live in one of the worst times ever for lasting and flourishing long term relationships. The paradigm now is hyper selfish, individualistic, and materialistic. You're much more likely to be encouraged to terminate a relationship than work on it. So once the man goes through the hassle of the courting and …
/r/MensRights03/11/25 05:54 PM
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Like more discrimination to compensate for discrimination.
/r/MensRights31/10/25 05:07 PM
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Representation works only to a point. We seem to want to run away from the well documented phenomenon of men and women willingly choosing different career paths based on what calls to them. Why do we need to infringe on or impede that because we arbitrarily decided everything needs to be split down the middle? Is there any empirical evidence that a 50/50 split in every single profession is even a remotely good idea? Also, casually tossing in a misogyny accusation isn't doing you any favors.
/r/MensRights31/10/25 05:04 PM
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I wouldn't call it a distortion. There's actual science on this. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19883140/ There's other science showing that the more egalitarian a country becomes, the more the genders diverge in the their interests and career paths.
/r/MensRights31/10/25 04:57 PM
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I feel like the current feminist paradigm is more trying to minimize gender differences. With the strict exception that men are biologically more inclined to be oppressors. Gotta make sure to keep that one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 02:21 PM
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This is a very important point. Most dedicated feminists will believe in the patriarchy. That's a fundamental concept, even if these said feminists think they're helping men. That is the worst. Whenever I hear feminists talk about men's issues and use the word "patriarchy" in the same breath, it always comes off as unbearably patronizing and self-righteous. Like we as the enlightened beings need to cure these men of their wicked men ways. With that said, I think there are a lot of people who hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 02:10 PM
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I would have to disagree with you there. Drawing strong associations between abuses of power and men as a gender (e.g. the oppressed and oppressor dynamic) hints at men being innately untrustworthy. Such that gaining power unlocks men's innately corrupt and exploitative nature. In my opinion, that is hateful, and it's been a core tenet of feminism all along. There's no way around it, by gendering a harmful behavior, you're also throwing completely innocent people under the bus. You don't often h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 12:45 PM
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With maybe some slight variances give or take, I would say this sub (one of my favorites on all of reddit btw) is populated by lefty egalitarians. I'm also extremely confident far more of us exist, but men's advocacy in any way is strictly forbidden in the leftist sphere. Pertaining to feminism, the act of being egalitarian precludes you from aligning with feminism. As it exists now, feminism is absolutely not egalitarian, and I would even be prepared to argue it never was. It is a men's advocac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 12:23 PM
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I think of it as the right still wishes to preserve and uphold gender roles that are outdated or no longer applicable, while the left is notorious for its active disdain for men. The left also can be a complete indecipherable mess of which male gender roles are useful and which aren't, while women's gender roles should always be eradicated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 02:01 PM
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While I appreciate the spreading of information, you appear to be using work from u/TheTinMenBlog and then taking out his final slides.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/25 10:26 AM
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Hey there man. Know this, you are not alone. Take a second to soak in how incredible it is that you and I are even talking right now via this cool relatively new technology. Act in accordance with your heart and not your head. Regardless of how uncomfortable it can feel. In any given moment, let love be your guide and follow it with all the courage you can muster. The more you practice this, the more your head will sync up and catch up.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 05:23 PM
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It was the subject and act of abuse that quickly reversed my formerly feminist views. Someone VERY close to me is currently suicidal after surviving hands down the most abusive relationship I have ever seen. And the abuse was entirely at the hands of his alcoholic ex girlfriend. Physical, emotional, and even financial. After seeking out some insight a little while ago on a couple of other subs, along with a few other places. It became abundantly clear immediately that male victims are viewed ver…
/r/MensRights24/10/25 05:14 PM
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It's definitely gonna depend a lot on time, location, and local customs. If we're talking about the US then women absolutely held their fair share of jobs going back a VERY long way. They actually gravitated to many of the same jobs they do today. In terms of education, not only were women present in educational settings, but they very often played lead roles and outperformed men again going back a very long way as well.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 02:56 PM
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I get the feeling that you mean well and I really do appreciate it. Characterizing it as women had less rights is not accurate. When people refer to women having less rights, what they're almost always talking about is the institution of marriage. Wherein, women handed off some of their legal agency in exchange for protection and provisioning. And by that I mean men were literally bound by law to provide and protect. It's not something they could just do when they felt like it. Outside of marria…
/r/MensRights24/10/25 02:19 PM
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It's a direct descendant of one of the ultimate forms of gender prejudice, and that's male disposability. I have spent probably more time than I should have digging into this topic and I can tell you, it manifests in very tangible ways on a daily basis, it's well documented, and it can be super depressing.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 02:12 PM
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I'll definitely grant you that "loved unconditionally" is not the best way to describe it. It would be more accurate to say we as a species will overall devote more time, energy, and resources to ensure women's wellbeing, protection, and security. Lol but they are the oppressed ones.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 02:05 PM
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Totally. In most leftist circles, men's rights as a concept is automatic heresy and blasphemy.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 06:31 PM
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No one said he's entitled to anything. You pulled that out of no where. Companionship is a two party system and it relies on both parties not being dysfunctional to be successful. Along with being willing to participate at all. This includes women. Men obviously have zero control over women's dysfunctional behaviors or their free will. So a man can long for companionship, but it is objectively orders of magnitude more difficult to attain through no fault of his own.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 02:20 PM
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I of course see where you're coming from. I'm gonna have to disagree a tiny bit though. By doing that, we're essentially using the feminist playbook. The more ways we can differentiate ourselves from that the better. We have to write our own playbook.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/25 02:05 PM
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First, I'm not a big fan of the attempt at dehumanization. Second, absolutely. Companionship and intimacy have been a core part of the human experience since the dawn of time. There are absolutely economic and social factors outside of the average man's control that heavily impact his ability to find companionship.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 01:55 PM
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Given that you explicitly stated 99% of incels are such because it's their own fault, I would love to hear your defense.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 01:04 PM
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99 percent of the time it's their own fault anyway. I am so sorry. Was this not you?
/r/MensRights23/10/25 12:53 PM
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Yay! Gamma bias makes yet another appearance! Men's problems are their own moral failures and women's problems are systemic. Essentially, men's issues come entirely from the inside, women's issues are inflicted upon them entirely from the outside.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 12:43 PM
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Feminism and by extension a specific demographic of leftist takes a lot of heat for a very valid reason. It is an ideology constructed entirely on gendered lines. Naturally, as a men's advocacy sub, we are going clap back at such a movement a lot. Not only does it promote an ungodly amount of misandry, but it has and wields it's enormous power and influence in ways that both directly and indirectly harm men specifically. Like specifically just men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 07:41 PM
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Wait so your claim is that women aren't violent in any statistically significant way?
/r/MensRights22/10/25 02:16 PM
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I can immediately find credible sources that directly contradict your claim within 30 seconds. Sources such as the General Social Survey.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 07:46 AM
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Lol this is textbook gamma bias, and it is INFURIATING.
/r/MensRights21/10/25 09:26 PM
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I know that women are much more likely to be targets of violence There is so much great and kind spirited debate happening on this subject and it's wonderful to see. This did actually jump out me though. Women are not "much more likely to be targets of violence". There is much MUCH more nuance and depth that goes into that discussion than that simple black and white statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 02:40 PM
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Well mostly because perceived endangerment of women's rights can be treated as just cause to further compromise men's rights. It doesn't matter if that endangerment is exaggerated or fabricated entirely.
/r/MensRights21/10/25 02:08 PM
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I am 100% speaking from real world experience, if a man (or even a woman) is attractive enough, he/she can be downright inappropriate and it can be interpreted as playful. It's definitely not something I have personally done or would ever do, just something I think we've all witnessed at least once. There's always a crossable line, but your attractiveness level correlates directly with how far away that line is. It's the halo effect in all its glory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/25 12:53 PM
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If there are in fact feminist organizations dedicated to men's issues then I applaud them because that is NOT even remotely feminism's reputation. I took a glance at the website for Male Allies UK. After a brief overview it seems they have very little interest in investigating and addressing men's issues. There interest lies more in recruiting men to further women's advancement.
/r/MensRights20/10/25 07:47 PM
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That is absolutely not true and it is astonishing to me how successful the revisionist history has been.
/r/MensRights20/10/25 07:20 PM
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Did you know that for the most part, women didn't want to be involved in politics?
/r/MensRights20/10/25 04:41 PM
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Controversial thing to say but as a woman, I don't think a lot of internet feminists realize the "male privilege" they talk about was given to men in order to balance out the fact that men were expected to carry the most work strain in society. Absolutely wonderful addition to the conversation! One thing did catch my eye, and it's the word "were". Men are still very much expected to and do carry the most work strain by far. It's a commonly held belief that with this sacrifice and workload came a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/25 02:23 PM
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It blows me away. Man bashing has been so omnipresent that most of us developed varying degrees of internalized misandry. And alongside that, the only way to cope is to convince ourselves that we're one of the few good men. That is extremely heartbreaking if you really sit down and think about it. Young boys right now are being brought up to believe that their gender is the inferior and morally corrupt one. We absolutely have to change course and turn this ship around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/25 01:10 AM
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Patriarchy under feminist theory is flawed in a staggering number of ways. Not to mention deeply sexist and deliberately divisive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 02:05 PM
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Feminists don't just "not do enough" for men's issues, they actively oppose or even create all new men's issues. It's another one of those oddities. Apparently, we still live in a patriarchal society, but men are the ones struggling to get any representation in gender discourse. Feminism has an astronomical amount of power and influence, and keeps vice like grip on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:27 PM
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Like every single sentence of this is flawless! Could not be more spot on.
/r/MensRights15/10/25 05:01 PM
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Ahhh! Good one!
/r/MensRights14/10/25 02:51 PM
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You're not doing yourself any favors whatsoever or even slightly helping your cause. It's like you've programmed yourself to see misogyny in everything and it's incredibly unhealthy. This one thing that you and others like you tend to do is absolutely butchering your reputation and credibility. People can easily be critical of others and their actions without engaging in gendered hate speech.
/r/MensRights14/10/25 12:51 PM
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On paper are they held to the same standards? Technically. Does that mean the criminal justice system stopped going significantly lighter on women and treating them with leniency? Unfortunately no. It's crazy, when women outperform men by a significant margin, we still classify it as equality. Gaps favoring men are a serious problem in desperate need of rectification. Gaps favoring women are just facts. I've even heard it stated that women are now just proving that they've been superior all alon…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:42 PM
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This reminds me of a study I saw a while back! https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2311459
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 12:00 PM
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There is a staggering amount of nonsense and blatantly false information in this comment. Lol I don't have the energy to go through the what seems like hundreds of points right at this moment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 11:56 AM
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Single, never married, or widowed women were legally independent agents. The institution of marriage (what you're referring to) had stipulations for men and women. For instance, a married man could be held responsible for his wife's debts and even her crimes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 11:45 AM
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Lol the word is 100% watered down to shit. How could it possibly not exist? Humans have the capability to hate and be prejudicial towards anything for any reason at any time. Systemic misogyny, however, is a different discussion entirely.
/r/MensRights09/10/25 09:15 PM
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That's actually a fascinating metric to use and way to look at it that I haven't considered previously!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 05:19 PM
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I'm curious, how do you think this "unpaid labor" data was captured?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:34 PM
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Our grievances are not with women, they are with an ideology. Women are also human beings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:56 AM
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What feminism may lack in the pure atrocity factor (though I would argue some its misdeeds are certainly heading squarely in that direction) it makes up for in sheer scale. It has been wielded to negatively affect an entire gender spanning the globe. I really do at least somewhat sympathize or relate with your position. I too used to treat feminism like a default force for good. I used to cringe a little bit whenever it came under scrutiny or was criticized. At some point, I had to choose betwee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:51 AM
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To add on to your beautifully crafted post: 1A) The groundbreaking work by feminist aligned academics to single handedly erase male victims of rape as a legal concept. Through their tireless efforts, a new term was created called "made to penetrate." Not only is it not classified as rape, it often doesn't hold the same legal weight and penalty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:39 AM
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Systemically? I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Which country are you referring to? In no developed country that I'm aware of is the mistreatment of women of any kind promoted or encouraged on any kind of systemic level. Men are also raped and killed. This another classic example of the concept I mentioned earlier. Male victims of these crimes get no where near the coverage or sympathy that female victims do. The resources and outreach offered to women for things like IPV DWARFS the …
/r/MensRights08/10/25 01:14 PM
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Both can be real. The difference is how they are perceived and received. We as a species have somehow collectively determined that women's lives are more valuable and worthy of protection. As in literally any harm befalling women is considered significantly more consequential than harm befalling men. This ties in directly to misogyny and misandry. Misogyny is treated like the pressing issue of our time and misandry is more like an afterthought if people are willing to acknowledge its existence a…
/r/MensRights08/10/25 12:54 PM
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Do you even comprehend how bigoted you sound?
/r/MensRights08/10/25 12:37 PM
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BanKillAllMen
/r/MensRights08/10/25 12:13 PM
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This completely misrepresents the heart of the issue. That being, a lot of qualities women are holding out for a lot of the time aren't even character or value based. They have very little to do with creating a thriving long term relationship. The desire for exceedingly rare and largely superficial traits is shooting straight off the charts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:49 PM
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Just going into that a bit further, I think what is happening at scale within academia is two completely different sets of priorities. I think with women, the priority is less on seeking objective truth, and more trying to maintain social harmony and cohesion. In other words, literally feelings over facts. Findings that could be upsetting are rejected or aren't investigated in the first place. A more male approach to education is truth for truth's sake. Regardless of how uncomfortable it may be.…
/r/MensRights07/10/25 12:27 AM
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Also important to note, the law as it currently stands shields the mother from deceptive and coercive behavior, but not the father. There is essentially no penalty for baby trapping.
/r/MensRights07/10/25 12:11 AM
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From what I can find, it definitely was not socially acceptable and was still very shameful. It just wasn't treated as a legal matter with the exception of severe cases. It also goes without saying that male victims at this time were completely invisible and were the frequent subject of ridicule. So not a lot has changed there. Along with overwhelmingly more outreach and resources still being offered to women.
/r/MensRights06/10/25 11:41 PM
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In the hopefully not too distant future as we explore what true egalitarianism looks like, I am almost positive feminism will be looked back on as one the most bigoted and harmful movements and phenomena to have ever existed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 11:16 PM
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Lol keep us posted!
/r/MensRights03/10/25 06:35 PM
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Umm... can't really see that being a viable and popular position.
/r/MensRights03/10/25 03:10 PM
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You can definitely challenge GPT 5 and get it to walk itself back. I do it all the time. With just a little pressure, it will readily admit that all of its typical feminist talking points are misguided.
/r/MensRights30/09/25 01:23 AM
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Please enlighten us with your evidently elevated social awareness.
/r/MensRights26/09/25 02:15 PM
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Perfectly encapsulates something I've been pondering for a long time. Us as lefties are supposed to carefully consider and weigh how social and economic factors influence outcomes for people or groups of people, and then take steps to improve those systems. At the current time, there is just one group that's an exception to this, and that's men. I am routinely shocked by how I was blind to this for so long. It's like blatant and rampant sexism hidden in plain sight. Why should we concern ourselv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 07:07 PM
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Who upvoted this? Lol come forward and explain yourself!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 01:56 PM
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This really depends on what metric you are measuring. For example, men consistently outnumber women in homelessness, and especially the unsheltered homeless (it's like 70% in a report I read a while ago). A lot of social safety net programs also disproportionately serve women with kids and they're therefore better represented in stats. Whereas men can tend to fall through the cracks completely without getting support of any kind. Even if they qualify.
/r/MensRights23/09/25 07:35 PM
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I am so sorry for the delay! What I see being defined as misandry here is how most feminists would define "patriarchy hurting men" or "gender essentialism" or "toxic masculinity", and if you talk to a feminist with these terms you will probably get a much better time. Okay, so this begs the question, why are we crystal clear on misogyny, but in feminist circles, we have to dance around misandry? It goes without saying that feminists are elite experts at identifying and exposing misogyny in every…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/25 05:27 PM
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I only ask because after numerous discussions and debates with feminists, quite a few of them do become noticeably flustered and defensive around the subject of misandry. I'm fairly confident I have a good idea of what your reasoning is, but I also think there's more to it. I'm curious, are you committed to gender equality? Or is it gender equality only if it strictly fits the feminist model? Shouldn't men be welcome in the equality conversation? Or is it strictly men that conform to the feminis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 09:28 PM
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If you don't mind, I want to divert from that briefly and ask you a question. Does the mention of systemic misandry trigger you? As in does it anger, offend, or upset you somehow?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 09:04 PM
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Or... alternative theory... We, very sadly, collectively are more willing to sacrifice men and put them in harm's way. It is deemed to be the more ethical choice. Women are NOT exempt from this. In fact, in some cases, depending on which literature you're reading, they may even be more prone to holding this view. Can you see how it can get irritating really quickly when men's issues are misidentified or reimagined as being yet another iteration of misogyny? Rather than admitting that widespread …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 06:40 PM
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Throwback to this legendary PPD post! Lol OP basically definitively proves AITA's egregious gender bias and the women are NOT happy. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1fvts6h/a_case_study_into_aitas_gender_bias_favouring/
/r/MensRights17/09/25 02:11 PM
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Oh okay. It absolutely does. Sticking with our example of the Duluth Model, it was authored or architected using feminist theory. Essentially, it operates on the premise that IPV is an exclusively gendered issue, which of course it isn't. Also, my claim asserting women are more universally perceived as victims is not my opinion. There's plenty of literature on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:12 PM
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Wait which point did you have a disagreement with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:01 PM
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I can definitely give you one. I'm not partial to associating toxicity with any particular gender, but for the sake of argument we can explore it. A toxic trait I see more regularly expressed in femininity is utilizing women's perceived universal victim status to gain favorable treatment for themselves and disfavorable treatment for men. Even if that treatment is neither fair or just. A great example (though there are others) of this is the infamous Duluth Model. I can elaborate on what that is,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 10:30 AM
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I would wager it's definitely still the attitude of most feminists and society at large. Feminists have bent over backwards to discredit and run negative publicity on MRA groups since the beginning of time. Only among some will they begrudgingly admit men have their own distinct set of issues. Even then, they have absolutely no interest in being enthusiastic allies despite feminism's entire brand being built on gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:32 AM
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I've had this discussion multiple times now. You may not mourn his loss, but hopefully we can all get behind fiercely condemning the manner in which he lost his life. This event exposed a degree of sinister in people who share my political leaning that I did not know was there. The comments coming from a lot of lefties on and offline are straight up repulsive. Another consequence of this will be it kneecapping the reputation of leftism in the eyes of the country and even the world for a good lon…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 04:55 PM
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Left or right isn't America. Freedom to openly express and debate ideas and philosophies without persecution is America. This principle supersedes all ideologies and binds us all. It's the vehicle we all ride in on the road to a better tomorrow. This is so fundamental, that I legitimately cannot grasp how some don't understand this. I've been a leftist my entire life, and I cannot fathom some of the vile language and sentiment I've seen come out of my own party. One of the many effects of this, …
/r/MensRights13/09/25 10:11 AM
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Women will endorse man hate because they automatically side with each other. That's not my hypothesis, it's a well documented phenomenon. It's a reflex. What allowed it to graduate to a full on cultural zeitgeist is men don't have this automatic in-group preference. Men will default to shielding and protecting women. Once again, that's not my theory or hypothesis. This alone calls into question the validity of patriarchy theory. So feminism swept the world and women's interests took center stage…
/r/MensRights12/09/25 01:15 PM
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I am one of the most ardent men's advocates you will ever meet. Believe me when I tell you this is not the right or a productive message to be putting out there. We live in a hyper atomized, individualistic, and antagonistic/adversarial culture, but it's not accurate to say most women hate men. Generally, MRA's beef or grievances are not with a gender, but with an ideology and poor treatment.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 08:40 PM
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Here's the thing though, attraction can develop around other traits. Some of which aren't even physical. Physical attraction alone is also only a small sliver of the factors that can give a relationship it's longevity. We don't get to that point anymore though. We write each other off essentially immediately if the elusive "spark" is missing.
/r/MensRights10/09/25 02:24 PM
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This is EXACTLY the path I went down. Some time ago, I was online hoping to connect with other male victims of DV as someone very close to me was and still is being subjected to extreme abuse. Being a lefty for as long as I can remember, I was expecting to be greeted with mostly warmth, support, maybe some insight. I was very VERY mistaken. You see, at the time I still naively believed feminism really did stand for equal treatment regardless of gender. I would physically cringe if I stumbled upo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/25 09:18 PM
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Or just the bulk of western mainstream media in general.
/r/MensRights04/09/25 02:19 PM
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Wait what's wrong with this? I genuinely have no clue.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 02:11 PM
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I wish that were true, but recent polling suggests women all over the world are veering hard left.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 02:05 PM
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Yay! Another giant leap toward dystopia!
/r/MensRights26/08/25 10:38 PM
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most women needed a male co-signer to open accounts, apply for credit, or get loans, facing widespread discrimination from financial institutions. It was not "most women." What you're referring to applied to married women and had little to do with their gender, and much more to do with the institution of marriage itself. A great deal of consequences could also befall husbands. For example, men could b held responsible for their wive's debts and could even be held liable for some of her crimes. T…
/r/MensRights25/08/25 11:54 AM
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Pushing back against feminism is not bitching about women. This is perhaps the single biggest thing contributing to the reputation MRAs have. Feminism has been so omnipresent for so long that women and feminism have become indistinguishable in the public consciousness. It has become the new highest form of dogma. This is a huge problem because it's a form of feminist armor. To criticize feminism is to criticize women. An ideology becoming so pervasive that it's unassailable has the potential to …
/r/MensRights22/08/25 04:21 PM
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Please PLEASE do NOT listen or at least be very skeptical of other women who claim to know what men like, don't like, or how and why they operate. The chances of them being not only wrong, but completely off the mark are astronomically high. This is a leading cause of the dissolution of so many perfectly good relationships, or preventing great relationships from forming in the first place.
/r/MensRights20/08/25 12:44 PM
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There's a distinction that you aren't making here, and that is using the word "women" and not "feminists." Most of the dialogue and criticism is not directed at women, but feminism, and there's an enormous difference. It shocks me how many people think the two things are interchangeable. The condemnation is for an ideology and not necessarily people. Lol what's wild when you think about it is MRAs are opposed to an ideology, and it could be argued that feminists are opposed to a literal gender.
/r/MensRights20/08/25 12:46 AM
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One thing that blows me away, as leftists, we're supposed to pay close to attention to how existing power structures create inequalities and disadvantaged groups. Except if that group is men, all of that goes out the window. Suddenly, men are on their own. Straight from Wikipedia article on left-wing politics: Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalit…
/r/MensRights15/08/25 02:22 PM
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No way! Who could've seen this coming? Lol this was a little social experiment we just did.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 05:58 PM
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Lol it had to be done! For science!
/r/MensRights14/08/25 03:06 PM
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Not only was the post allowed to go up, but ideally we'd like to see more people instinctually jumping to men's defense. If the genders were reversed, this would never see the light of day.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 02:03 PM
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Lol well this aged poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:39 PM
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Although they may seem similar, there are profound differences between feminism and MRM. Feminism holds the position (and will not let go regardless of how much evidence to the contrary they're presented with) that society is designed in such a way that men are privileged at the expense of women. And that a neverending flow of time, energy, and resources need to be devoted to women's causes. MRAs hold the position that men and boys are suffering too and could really use our help. The backlash fe…
/r/MensRights05/08/25 02:13 PM
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The critical component to what he said is, would such an app upset most women? Be honest. I think we both know the backlash would be nothing short of earth shattering. Women would lose their collective minds and come up with all new ways to call men despicable. I'm actually very pleasantly surprised the tea app got as much media coverage as it did. Although, I think that was mainly due to the hacking thing rather than the app itself. That brought it into the spotlight.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:21 PM
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Wow! This is awesome! There's research here that I didn't know about, and I already have a rather large collection.
/r/MensRights04/08/25 10:50 AM
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Okay I have a question for you. When women use terms like gay and pedophile to shame men, are they then exhibiting toxic masculinity?
/r/MensRights01/08/25 05:11 PM
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If memory serves, she did do sex work a while ago, but she is now adamantly against it.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 12:43 PM
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While it is very common to get right wing vibes from manosphere and men's rights content, there is actually a very sizable segment of men's right advocates that are lefties. The problem is they're not as vocal and outspoken as to not incur the wrath of other leftists. It's very unfortunate because more prominent lefty voices on the subject would add a lot of momentum.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 07:05 PM
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Hey man that's incredibly heart breaking. From a fellow bro and anxiety sufferer, I want you to know that you have a small army of love and support here. 🤗
/r/MensRights30/07/25 05:23 PM
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I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing. In order to initiate any kind of discussion of something affecting men, we first have to kiss the ring of feminism and pray it's gracious enough to hear our plea. Doesn't something about that feel fundamentally unequal?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/25 12:58 AM
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What's funny is MRAs are far closer to true egalitarianism than feminism will ever be. Going around accusing everyone here of opposing rights for women just makes you look completely foolish. It tells me you haven't done even a little due diligence, and have an extremely poor understanding of the community you're in. The MRM has never been about opposing rights for women, and instead is focused exclusively on raising awareness of issues disproportionately affecting men. I have no clue what you'r…
/r/MensRights27/07/25 12:52 AM
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Do you think women don't pose any threat to men's safety? Are there no instances of female Uber passengers assaulting their male drivers? I wonder what we would see if we were to compare the numbers. If women do assault their male drivers, is there a certain threshold we must reach before we care about men's physical safety? What is that threshold? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 02:22 PM
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Genuine question; objectively is this perception; or actual reality? I would say it is the reality of the perception. I know it's not exactly pleasant to think about. What I'm referring to occurs more on a macro groupthink level than an individual level. Say a town is survived by 10 men and 50 women. Another by 50 men and 10 women. Lol you're gonna have to forgive me for being a little slow. I'm very curious where you were going with that! How does the value differ in the two scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:57 AM
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Didn't take long for someone to inevitably try and counter with that. I'll go ahead skip the who has more studies contest because you seemed to have overlooked a portion of my comment that I added very deliberately. And that is it's okay to characterize men as harmful/predatorial EVEN WHEN IT IS UNWARRANTED. We don't even need to go into men's treatment versus women's treatment in the criminal justice system. How is it fair or ethical to demonize good and law abiding men because of the actions o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:12 PM
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Lol just some additional thoughts and to elaborate a tiny bit further. Men are generally considered much more acceptable targets for any kind of attack. Both physical and psychological and everything in between. Men are also almost universally perceived as more harmful/predatorial, and characterizing them as such in any conceivable instance, even when totally unwarranted, is completely fair game. Outside of pushback from a subset of other men and even smaller subset of women, there isn't much re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:52 PM
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Male disposability. Most anti male sentiment throughout all of human history can usually be boiled down to male disposability. Men's lives are intrinsically perceived as less valuable, and we are willing to sacrifice men's lives well before even considering sacrificing women and children's lives. This is not speculation. There's plenty of literature on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:27 PM
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Wow thank you! That is outstanding!! I'm definitely with you. While he did raise a lot of valid and dire concerns, it's also critical to be very clear about who and what our grievances are with. I'm pretty sure he meant feminism when he said "women," but it could be that he just got carried away. At least, I REALLY hope so.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:19 PM
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Unless that equal outcome somehow disfavors women in any way. Then they want nothing to do with it. Women now outperform men in higher education for example by a large margin, yet there has been no significant feminist push to get more men in school. To my knowledge anyway. I could be wrong, and feel free to correct me if that is the case.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:10 PM
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Male disposability. Far from being the only example of misandry, it is one of the most profound ones. There's like an endless amount of material you can read up on this. This is a good one I have added to my collection recently. Male disposability is rooted in a mind-blowing number of phenomena that we are so used to, we don't even register them anymore. From male only military conscription to the complete and disgraceful disregard for male victims of literally any kind. Take your pick. Edit: Lo…
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:01 AM
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Dude, you are a godsend! I know standing on the side of men is a quick way to get very little traction, and that only raw determination and persistence will move the needle. That's why we NEED to have each other's backs and offer words of encouragement as much as humanly possible!
/r/MensRights20/07/25 11:25 PM
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You could not be a clearer example of why the men cited in this article feel feminism has done more harm than good. Very well done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/25 10:48 PM
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Hey c'mon it's not all bad! I've discovered a newfound sense of purpose with this community. We are outnumbered, but I still think we're a force to be reckoned with. What I love most is how we're able to bring dudes from all walks of life, and even differing political views to coalesce around one cause.
/r/MensRights20/07/25 01:43 AM
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As a lifelong leftist and a fellow human being, I strongly encourage you to reconsider aligning yourself with feminism and perhaps replace it with egalitarianism. Feminism has successfully become the cultural powerhouse it is today partly because it promotes itself as being focused on "equality." In reality, the number of anti-egalitarian measures and actions taken by feminists with institutional power is nothing short of shocking. Chief among these actions for me, and what got me into the MRM, …
/r/MensRights18/07/25 09:25 PM
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If we're talking the most physically demanding jobs on the planet, I would argue women by and large with a couple exceptions simply cannot or would not do them. I'm not even necessarily talking about just raw strength and force output. I'm talking the physical and emotional toll these jobs take day after day, over and over. Often in grueling conditions. Having done a couple extremely labor intensive jobs, I can with absolute certainty tell you it's one thing to casually hypothesize on reddit, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/25 12:56 PM
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Don't get sucked up in this man. Save your energy and sanity. You're attempting to engage in a dialogue with some of the most nihilistic, resentful, and delusional people in all of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:15 PM
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Feared and disregarded are very close relatives to hated man.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 09:14 PM
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I sincerely appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us! To your point, I used to feel a very similar way about feminism's origins and first wave feminism. Before subscribing to that belief though, you gotta realize, divisiveness and misandry has been baked into the ideology right from the very beginning. Right from the Declaration of Sentiments.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 09:12 PM
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Do you have some kind of aversion to not being a dick?
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:25 PM
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This is relevant to what you're getting at. This is a phenomenon that I've been aware of for a while. Research painting women in a positive light is in very high demand, while the opposite is frowned upon at best and outright suppressed at worst. The research could could indicate a heightened capacity for victimhood, or being more proficient than men in some capacity. Either is useful depending on the context.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 02:52 PM
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Wow! Thank you for chiming in! That's wonderful to hear!
/r/MensRights11/07/25 05:23 PM
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Start with looking into the concept of male disposability. You'll be well on your way to learning just how harmful misandry can be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 02:16 PM
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What's alarming is not even how staggeringly wrong this is. It's how pervasive this attitude is in the general population. Prepare yourself, because your statement is going to be rightfully shredded.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 02:12 PM
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It's almost like the environment of relative security, comfort, and abundance created largely by men has to exist as a precondition for us to even begin having the mental bandwidth to start debating men's value and contributions. Previously, men's sacrifices were much more out in the open and visible, and now most of us including other men are sheltered from them. Yeah man! Believe it or not, that's also a variable I've been pondering recently too. There are of course undeniable risks associated…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 07:04 PM
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Well I guess that would depend on the feminist and the context in which you asked them. When considering how to answer such a question, I think most feminists would be concerned first and foremost with optics or how they're perceived, and not honesty. It's something we all do to a degree, but I suspect proponents of a very influential (and flawed in my opinion) ideology like feminism in a group setting on a public forum would be much more concerned with their image than they would be in a privat…
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:11 PM
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Chef's kiss! Beautifully said!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 04:57 PM
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As a result these traditional gender roles and subsequent duties are fading away. I'm going to have push back slightly here. In many ways, gender roles for men are still firmly in place. They still overwhelmingly take on the dirty and dangerous jobs essential to keeping modern society functioning. To my knowledge, feminist groups aren't marching in the streets for equal representation in these jobs. All of this grueling and backbreaking labor now takes place in the background. They go virtually …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 04:51 PM
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You do realize that we're the ones advocating for egalitarian principles here right? We're the ones arguing that a person should be judged appropriately based on their actions rather than their sex. It blows my mind how anti-egalitarian many feminists or feminist adjacent people expose themselves to be.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 02:17 PM
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"Man keeping!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/25 01:14 PM
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It's not really a matter of there being no literal spaces, but more of a matter of how it's perceived by the masses. Men complaining about women is presented as being a plague on us all, whereas women complaining is bold, empowering, and courageous. One of a near infinite number of double standards.
/r/MensRights01/07/25 12:16 PM
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When is internalized misandry going to start making headlines? I genuinely think this will be another big buzzword in the not too distant future. If you really think about it, internalized misandry is one of the feminism's biggest evils. Loads and tons of men walk around with deeply embedded subconscious belief that their own gender is intrinsically harmful, predatorial, exploitative, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 02:16 PM
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The point is literally in the title. To highlight how perceptions and attitudes can radically shift depending on the gender of the perpetrator. Posts like this can also raise awareness of sentencing disparities.
/r/MensRights27/06/25 09:52 PM
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The conversation becomes a competition over who suffers more, rather than a recognition that different groups can be harmed in different ways. It's odd too because you would think an ideology with a strong emphasis on intersectionalism would be experts at grasping this. Hmm... it could be that something baked into the ideology is preventing them from acting on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 12:13 PM
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Men absolutely have every right to participate in this discussion. Girls as a whole are not even approaching any semblance of innocence in the instigating of online bullying and harassment. To characterize online harassment as an exclusively male oriented issue is profoundly wrong. Both morally and factually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:20 PM
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Also see it from a man's perspective. You as a woman know with 100% certainty that a child is yours. Men do not get this luxury. Is there not any part of you that can step into his shoes and empathize? Seriously, vividly imagine what it would be like to not have definitive access to that knowledge. It's also possible to hold conflicting feelings at the same time. He may deeply desire to trust you with all of his heart, but struggle with anxiety over paternal certainty. Is it such a bad thing to …
/r/MensRights25/06/25 08:42 PM
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Oh no. No insults intended at all. I was genuinely curious. This is an issue that warrants serious discussion and it seems as though you are going out of your way to discredit it and delegitimize it.
/r/MensRights25/06/25 06:02 PM
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This may be a hot take, but it's a hill I will absolutely die on. Men on average take on more emotional labor by far in your typical relationship. Even in less traditional relationships. Men are subjected to significantly more emotional outbursts from their partner than women are. It's just more socially acceptable to completely disregard men's emotions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/25 01:08 PM
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C'mon man this is very easy to understand. Are you just trolling or actually engaging in good faith?
/r/MensRights23/06/25 08:50 PM
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Really dug yourself into a hole on this one huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:53 AM
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How can you possibly in good faith claim it's about taking the focus off of women's issues? Women's issues have dominated the cultural and media landscape for as long as I think anyone here can remember. To this day, you cannot even talk about men's issues without first placating and prefacing it by saying something to the effect of "this doesn't mean women's issues aren't important." That does NOT go both ways. You're free to go on any platform discussing women's issues, and omit men's issues e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 05:14 PM
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Hey thanks for the kind words man! I sincerely appreciate it!
/r/MensRights04/06/25 10:36 PM
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While that is true, it definitely feels super dismissive. The drive for companionship and family building can be incredibly powerful, and it has been a primary biological directive for all of human history for the most part. Essentially, we are now asking entire generations of men to shut that off and forget about it. This is undeniably a symptom of a seriously dysfunctional society. For the sake of mental health, I do feel it's wise to encourage men to find other sources of validation, but we c…
/r/MensRights04/06/25 09:42 PM
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So true. More and more, I am of the belief that feminism needs to be banished from leftism completely in the collective consciousness. It's not necessary to advance egalitarian principles and it has spawned some of the most radical non inclusivity that I have ever seen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 12:35 PM
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The patriarchy hurts men and simultaneously grants them exclusive male privilege. Quite a head scratcher.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 04:07 PM
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Fabulous! This needs way more attention!
/r/MensRights30/05/25 10:01 PM
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Wait is the Duluth model completely gone? There has to be places where it's still standard protocol.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 02:14 PM
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Let's zoom in on one aspect of the history because it's incredibly nuanced and will take forever to sift through. While you may think you've presented an irrefutable and clear cut case here, you're either knowingly or unknowingly leaving out other key information that will directly contradict your narrative. With that in mind, because we know that anti women's suffrage movements consisted largely of women, wouldn't that poke a major hole in one of feminism's biggest talking points? The picture p…
/r/MensRights24/05/25 02:29 AM
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The 19th amendment was ratified in 1920. Only 50 years after the ratification of the 15th amendment in 1870. Interestingly, anti women's suffrage movements were primarily spearheaded by women and anti-suffragettes we're much greater in number.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 09:17 PM
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Very beautifully said! This is why I think the only legitimate path forward is for feminism and MRAs to merge to form a movement that is actually inclusive and not divisive right from its inception. It's not quite as simple as men blaming women, and women blaming men. Very generally speaking, the order of operations was feminism blamed men, and as time went along MRAs blamed feminism. Do you see how only one was actually placing blame on a gender? Lol I'm definitely simplifying here, but feminis…
/r/MensRights23/05/25 06:25 PM
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Even if we were to grant that patriarchy is real, the insistence of placing the responsibility solely on men for being the architects of it is absolutely laughable. Women have and do promote male gender roles just as much as men if not MORE.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:20 PM
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The claim that women are happier single is dubious at best in my opinion. That claim has been proposed and then retracted and refuted by other research. Of course it has spread like wildfire and now it's everywhere. It almost seems like someone or a group of someones are deliberately and desperately trying to propagate that idea.
/r/MensRights22/05/25 10:01 PM
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I'll leave the history for another fellow redditor to dive into with you because the history is very nuanced and not as black and white as you're portraying it. But let me ask you, would you say the claim you made about women's suffrage and other similar claims are used disingenuously by feminists? For maximum emotional impact?
/r/MensRights22/05/25 07:26 PM
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Hmm... did you also know that most men didn't have the right to vote either?
/r/MensRights22/05/25 07:07 PM
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I'm very late to this, but I have to add, it's far worse than just being the opposite! Female on male violence has to be first identified before it can be reported, and therein lies an ENORMOUS disparity. An incalculable but undeniably overwhelming majority of men literally don't even comprehend female perpetrated violence is happening to them both during and after the fact. It is deemed to be that insignificant in the public consciousness. Men can go their entire lives without even realizing th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 06:56 PM
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I would argue both sexes are brought up with some sense of duty and sacrifice for the health and well-being of others, which I can't say is a bad thing necessarily within reason. For men, that can literally take the form of making the ultimate sacrifice if the situation calls for it (and it has many times throughout history). Men are very broadly and generally raised to provide and protect even if it's their life on the line. Even if it involves devoting your entire life to relentless and brutal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:20 PM
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Dude your input is so incredibly valuable! I always look forward to what you have to say when you pop up!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:10 PM
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Do you see how you just cast aside any accountability for women? The problem here should be self evident in my opinion, but experience has shown me lots of women do operate this way. You as an individual also have a responsibility to manage your own feelings. I do believe a ton of women offload at least some of this responsibility onto their partners. Whether it's subconscious or not.
/r/MensRights20/05/25 02:13 PM
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One of the most prominent forms of toxic femininity I can think of in today's world is using sexuality for exploitation. It manifests in a variety of ways but a big one right now is Onlyfans where women have no issues at all exploiting male loneliness for profit.
/r/MensRights15/05/25 10:14 PM
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I appreciate and agree with some of your sentiments here, but respectfully, you largely don't know what you're talking about with some of your claims.
/r/MensRights15/05/25 07:42 PM
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I really hope this sub explodes at some point. For no other reason than to raise awareness of the vile and heinous actions women also take in the collective consciousness.
/r/MensRights15/05/25 02:00 PM
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You forgot to include a woman punching a man isn't interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:27 PM
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Absolute masterpiece!
/r/MensRights25/04/25 09:42 PM
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I would encourage you to instead of reading and internalizing it as "no women" interpret it as "not enough women." That's the actual subtext or ultimately what it being conveyed. I understand, it does take a bit of reading between the lines, but please don't take it personally. If you are in fact advocating for this cause, I promise you it will only be met with sincere appreciation and gratitude.
/r/MensRights25/04/25 02:17 PM
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This was my contention right outta the gate. The longer I've been involved in this community, and the more research I've done, I've become firmly convinced that the prevalence of real misogyny is RADICALLY overblown. In fact, the incessant need to hurl accusations of misogyny at everyone and everything may be acting as sort of a self fulfilling prophecy and creating it where it never was in the first place. Or the ensuing defensiveness in the accused can then be further misidentified as more mis…
/r/MensRights22/04/25 05:08 PM
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Probably because a large demographic of gay men are huddled on the left, and men's issues as a topic is basically blasphemy in most left circles.
/r/MensRights11/04/25 09:18 PM
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If this is something you truly deep down believe, beyond all the misguided misandry, then you are lost. The reality is not only are 99 out of 100 men not okay with rape, but they would snap into action if presented with a situation in which a woman was being harmed. Men don't have the reputation of being protectors for no reason. It's literally written into your DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:01 PM
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Really? Rape? That's the comparison you came up with? This post is about gender roles, and you jump straight to a morally reprehensible and disgusting crime? Do you really think they're even remotely comparable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:23 PM
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It's funny, if this group is filled with misogynists, wouldn't this comment be downvoted and shunned on the basis that it was made by a woman in theory? Weird that it is and will continue to rightfully be met with praise and appreciation. Why? Because none of the men here have any issues with women whatsoever simply because of their gender. They have an issue with how they're being treated. Lol I have no idea how this will be received. I just felt strongly compelled to point this out.
/r/MensRights10/04/25 05:08 PM
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Yeah! I'd venture to guess this is how most of us felt when we happened upon this sub. I sincerely wish it was larger, and I think the primary reason it isn't is precisely because of the widely believed fallacy that men's advocacy and lefty politics are incompatible. They're not. Lol there's no 10 commandments of leftism that says thou shalt not critique feminism or care about men's issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 04:43 PM
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On paper, is feminism about hating men? Technically, no. Does profound misandry still manifest anyway? Absolutely. Do influential feminist ideologues draw a sharp line in the sand against misandry? Definitely not. If your movement so rapidly devolves into hatred among those who follow it, maybe it's a good indicator that the movement needs to be completely overhauled or scrapped entirely. In favor of a movement that's actually inclusive and actually egalitarian.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 02:14 PM
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Something that always perplexes me, how is it possible that patriarchy grants all men privilege, but harms them at the same time? Something seems fishy here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 04:53 PM
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I was just thinking exactly the same about r/psychology. I would love to see a tally of "studies" critical of men vs studies even approaching scrutinizing women or femininity. Does the latter even exist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 06:58 PM
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Thanks for the post, man! I hadn't actually seen that!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:04 PM
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Man, this narrative that's trending and gaining steam right now that men essentially become a vegetable when they get home while the woman is hard at work with the upkeep of the house or living space needs to die. I've become more and more aware that research portraying women in a positive light is in high demand, while research that could potentially favor men is significantly harder to get funded and published. This is not just a crack pot theory and this very topic has apparently been studied…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:55 PM
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When women are disproportionately more affected then yes, appropriate resources should be allocated to addressing it. Are women disproportionately affected by all the worst life outcomes right now in the US and other western nations? I would argue absolutely not. Men absolutely do care about men's issues, and you'd think if influential feminist ideologues had any interest in real egalitarianism, they would support new budding MRA movements, groups, and organizations. Even if those organizations …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:38 PM
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It's everyone's responsibility to discern who is worth devoting any time, energy, and attention to. ESPECIALLY on the internet. You can't toss in examples of a troll like it's even remotely representative of men as a whole. Trolling is very much a genderless phenomenon. And citing examples of trolls to counter legitimate arguments is also genderless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 02:16 PM
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Lol I imagine you being like "Yay a post about dicks! It's my time to shine!" In all seriousness, I'm just giving you a hard time. No offense intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:26 PM
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Bro, you sure are seeking any and every opportunity you can to humble brag, aren't you. One comment about it, sure whatever, but you jump in every chance you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:16 PM
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Oh yeah for sure! I think women also do those things too! That makes perfect sense! Do you think it's also possible that women will shield or withhold the truth or criticism from other women if they sense it would be painful or hurt their feelings? For the sake of keeping the friendship intact and not creating further friction, might they opt to withhold information that could be damaging?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:20 PM
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Here's the problem, the mental load is a difficult thing to quantify. In most cases, both partners within a couple are shouldering some degree of mental load, and because we (both men and women) often overestimate our own contributions and underestimate the contributions of our partners, the truth can be buried, distorted, and very challenging to decode or decipher. Not only this, but what one partner deems as a crucial thing to expend mental energy on, the other partner may not. Thus adding an …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:11 PM
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Yeah, and I'll even go as far as to say feminism continues to deny, neglect, dismiss, downplay, and mock men's issues at its own peril. It will eventually be dismantled as the cultural powerhouse it is today. What I hope is this leads to the creation of a movement that is truly focused on egalitarianism and targeting the legitimately oppressive forces in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:18 PM
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So maybe we can go ahead and strip genders out of the terms entirely and save ourselves the hassle of pissing everyone off? Why can't we collectively decide that's it's okay, appropriate, and even more useful to stick with plain ol toxic as a descriptor?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:10 PM
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What you have explained to me, is that men are intimidated by career woman because they have traits that challenge the man. Well, it sounds like that's what you wanted to hear. I would advise the guy in this particular exchange to not engage any further. He was absolutely spot on, and you seemed to have absorbed none of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:47 PM
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How did we get here? How did feminist ideology become this deeply intertwined into our culture. Over and over, I see the same exact talking points and buzzwords thrown around. Feminism has very successfully crafted its own carefully edited and neatly packaged version of history and injected it deep into the veins of the mainstream. Long down the road, when we as a species hopefully make our way to a more pure form of egalitarian society, will feminism even be remembered as a net positive contrib…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/25 10:51 PM
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Women were very capable of having bank accounts well before the 60s.
/r/MensRights27/02/25 05:56 PM
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Just focusing on the US, a study here found among couples adopting children, lesbians had the highest rates of relationship dissolution, and gay male couples had the lowest. There are stats from other countries, but I haven't gotten that far yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:42 PM
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Well no, I have a different interpretation of what OP is saying. If the average dude on a dating app were to be as hyper selective as a lot women are, they would literally end up with nothing. Like forever. How did you come to the conclusion that men using this strategy are no longer able to love or cherish their partner? Or find them special in any way? And how does any of this tie into the narrative that men universally are interested solely in sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:49 PM
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This narrative that men's desires lack any depth beyond "must get sex" is really starting to bug me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 03:55 PM
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This brings to mind the "why is my husband/wife yelling at me?" Google search result thing going around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:38 PM
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Whenever the question is posed, "Why don't men form their own groups and help themselves?" And someone inevitably points out that they get backlash whenever they try, I can go ahead and redirect them to your comment here as a great example of said backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 11:50 PM
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Lol you absolutely can be bad at loading a dishwasher. Things like overcrowding, facing dishes (mostly bowls) the wrong way, not sufficiently cleaning debris of off dishes. I definitely haven't noticed a difference between men and women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 05:33 PM
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A little bit of knowledge that could ease some of that anxiety is that men, by enlarge, are brought up from the very beginning to be extremely protective of women. This notion that all men or even a small minority of men would jump at the chance to assault a woman is simply fiction. It quite literally is precisely the opposite. The VAST majority of men will jump at the chance to protect you from harm. I think this is what makes things like man vs bear so upsetting. It is DIRECTLY counter to valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:22 PM
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Holy shit! That's deplorable! Not even slightly surprising, but deplorable nevertheless!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:13 PM
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And speaking of violence, which gender commits murder of their spouse more? Rape? Injuries? Last time I checked 98% of rape and murder is done by men. 98! I can help you out here. Does it seem odd to you that the stat is wildly in favor of men? Does it maybe seem like laws have been written in such a way to deliberately exclude women from even being capable of such things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:06 PM
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You are a gem! Such a pleasure to read!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:58 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020 So there are lots of different ways you can look at this. This study mentions women more consistently prefering a larger height gap between them and their partner. And that they seem to be less flexible with their height preferences. What I'm interested in would be, is this gap growing over time? Is the ideal height gap for women getting higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:42 PM
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Nothing he said implied a lack of trying or not being "in the game." I think what was being said is that little interest is the reality of dating for most dudes. Regardless of how "in the game" they are. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:43 PM
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Beautifully said! Sincerely! My own personal theory, and there's a lot of overlap between the genders, is feminine energy centers around the interpersonal, which could even be expanded to consciousness in a sense. Masculine energy centers around the realm of the physical or "things." It really makes sense if you think about it!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:14 PM
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The patriarchy was created by men and for men, but men also get hurt under patriarchy. Does this not seem like a paradox to anyone else?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 01:44 AM
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You're amazing! I sincerely appreciate it!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 08:23 PM
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The difference, very simplified, is that LWMA generally holds the position that there exists issues that disproportionately affect men. While feminism holds the position as a foundational principle of their entire worldview that men and masculinity are the issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 07:44 PM
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Hey quick question! Where would be good starting point on that deep dive? I've done my own independent research, but I still feel there's much more to learn. Where would a good source for that kind of information be? Unsurprisingly, it's hard to come by solid information on how DV affects men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 07:35 PM
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Nothing more than a not so subtle attempt at shaming language and stereotyping with no basis in reality. I think some women say stuff like this because it minimizes men's capacity for being complex, intellectual, and emotional beings just like they are. In a sense, it's a way of portraying men as subhuman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:31 PM
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Without sex we all literally go extinct. Perhaps, there's something implanted in our wiring that links sex with wellbeing. In order to you know, keep the species going and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:21 PM
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Can we dive a little deeper? Where does this stereotype come from? Why, generally, are women more known for their affinity for erotica? And men porn? What is it about erotica that catches women's fancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:31 PM
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One of the underlying themes here, I think, is to what degree women are willing to overlook negative traits when physical attraction reaches critical mass. Lol to what degree do they backward rationalize bad behavior to cater exclusively to how physically attracted they are to someone. Men are absolutely susceptible to doing this, and perhaps men suspect women are just as susceptible to it, but women portray themselves as more impervious to raw physical attraction. They portray themselves as bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:51 PM
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What you're doing here is sweeping under the rug and putting words in the mouths of a lot of guys. They aren't actually "screeching" that they "don't have sex." This is a strawman. It seems like you're mischaracterizing a lot of very legitimate arguments in an effort to make them easier to dismiss. Many of the conversations and debates on this sub really center around how men and women feel they're being treated. What you've done is boil down an entire gender's sentiment into sexual frustration,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:46 PM
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I'm sorry that's on you. For every extremist man or woman, there are countless more trying to engage in thoughtful dialogs. When men get worked up about some of the outrageous ragebait things said by women, the typical reply is something to the effect of "touch grass" or you're "terminally online" or "women aren't a monolith/hivemind." You're doing precisely the same thing you're critical of men for doing when you assign the views of the few to the many. The responsibility lands on each individu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:06 PM
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The confusion may be coming from the fact that 52% of white women voted for trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:17 PM
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Why is it that this philosophy is so widespread? The philosophy being, in order to get the privilege of their partner's femininity, the man first needs to outmasculine them. Why can't it be more of a mutual exchange?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:43 PM
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Exactly! Men want women to be women. Definitely not a girl, and definitely not a man. I as a man would give a woman everything if she would act like a woman and let me be in my masculine. Lol I couldn't resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:17 PM
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44% to be exact. And 52% of white women voted for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:51 PM
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Or men make up the vast majority of suicides, or homeless people, or workplace deaths, or police killings, or just regular killings. I can keep going.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:45 PM
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Very enlightening and insightful contribution. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:45 PM
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Be honest, if the genders were reversed, would your initial impulse be speculate about the mental health of the man committing this crime? Or would your first impulse be to condemn, with maybe concern for his mental health being a very distant afterthought?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:26 PM
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It's surprisingly tough to describe why that word doesn't sit well with me. I wouldn't say I deserve those things from others by default. Rather, I find something very special in earning it by putting forth the same kind of warmth and kindness I hope to receive. It's that exchange I find to be rewarding. Ultimately, there's no authority when one declares they deserve something. You may strongly feel you deserve it, and someone else may feel you don't. Who is to say who's right? That's what makes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 01:24 AM
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The word "deserve" is such an ick. The act of thinking one does or does not deserve something is in its essence the opposite of humble. It's like thinking reality itself should give you special consideration and preferential treatment. I can't 100% prove this, but it sure does feel like women use that word a LOT more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 12:19 AM
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Men are far more likely to suffer from mh issues. More likely to be addicts. More likely to commit suicide. More likely to be criminals. More likely to go to prison. Men do make up the vast majority of suicides, and they are more likely to go to prison. Important to note in that discussion is that men are also punished significantly more harshly for the same crimes. So significantly more likely to be charged, sentenced, and incarcerated. And incarcerated for significantly longer for... reasons. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:42 PM
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Thank you. I was hoping someone would pull up that study, so I didn't have to. The claim that women are better at regulating their emotions is absurd. To be clear, this is not me saying man = good and woman = bad. That would also be absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:17 PM
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An upvote well earned!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 05:36 PM
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One that comes to mind immediately is the shrinking pool of male psychotherapists. I've seen estimates between 20% to 30% in the US being men. So, if you're looking for a therapist who's a woman, you're in luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:32 PM
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Your kids pick up on you not being happy. And they know it's their fault you are staying in an unhappy relationship. That guilt can really hit a kid. What I don't like about this train of thought is it treats an unhappy relationship like a permanent, incurable condition. What we should be focusing on is conflict resolution skills. Like this should always come first, and walking away should be one of the last resorts. This never gets mentioned though! Conversations like this don't even mention th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:38 PM
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I would posit that the sentiment being expressed when people say that is a degree of lacking meta cognition. Like an unwillingness to closely examine and even challenge your own emotions if the situation calls for it. So being more "feelings based" is acting out of emotional impulse and not higher order cognitive functions. At least, that's my interpretation. Self-awareness and mindfulness is a skill that takes a lot of work to develop. It can also be very uncomfortable, so of course not everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:27 PM
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See, that's the thing, toxic female behavior can be just as flashy. Think things like screaming or making a scene. Feeling completely comfortable berating men in public or in private. Or using their near universal perceived victim status as a shield to inflict harm, up to and including violence. What I'm trying to get at is it gets messy when you try to distinguish which gender does which toxic behavior and to what degree. Both genders are fully capable of toxic masculinity and femininity. For e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 11:31 PM
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They don't care about a girl's personality I'm not so sure about that. One of the very few things that men truly care about is personality. If you were to go up to a random guy on the street and ask him what he's looking for in a partner, chances are he'll give you like a maximum of 3 things. At least one of them being personality related in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:47 PM
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Really? You can't think of anything like that for women? Toxicity, as it pertains to masculinity, usually centers around some degree of physicality. Feminine toxicity, on the other hand, usually centers around the interpersonal. Femininity can be weaponized by creating favorable perception of the one doing the manipulating, and unfavorable perceptions of the individual or group being targeted. It's nuanced of course, but that's my broad overview. For example, women can use their near universal p…
/r/MensRights17/01/25 10:09 PM
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And "misogyny" for the love of god, this has to be at the top of the list of the worst offenders. It may have actually surpassed "toxic masculinity" at this point.
/r/MensRights17/01/25 07:23 PM
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It is actually exactly the opposite. Even more modern schools of red pill thought would preach rewiring your brain as a man to not be desperate for female validation. To become the best version of yourself, for yourself, and female attention is more likely to follow. I'm certainly no RP expert, but from what I do know, that is overwhelmingly the mantra or advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:14 PM
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Me being one of them! This man speaks the truth! I thought the member count is closer to 20,000. There are many more men that fit this description too, and I wish more of them would make their way over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:32 PM
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Are you referring to the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974? It wasn't that women were forbidden from getting loans. The ECOA made discrimination illegal, but it was only occurring in some banking institutions. You're kinda making it sound like loans for women were banned outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:08 PM
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Regardless of whatever else comes along on this particular thread, your comment is the authoritative answer to this question. Nothing else will even come close guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 10:15 PM
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Exactly. As a man, definitely work on yourself. If by chance you're a woman though, you're all good to go. If a man can't love you at your worst, he doesn't deserve you at your best. You're a goddess that just needs to tap into her divine feminine. Lol slay queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:51 PM
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I can certainly see what OP is saying being interpreted that way, but I'm fairly confident he meant men collectively. Men collectively don't have as many partners. Not each individual woman has more partners than each individual man. He meant men as a whole are struggling to find partnership. And men's lack of companionship and intimacy are without a doubt very closely linked to suicide. Personally, if I had some confusion on that point, I would ask OP for clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:39 PM
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Exactly! We're on the same page! And we're all more on the same page than we think! I know it seems like harms faced by women is significantly greater than those of men, but I want to open your mind to the possibility that the disparity is not nearly as large as you think. For the sake of keeping it brief, I'll exclude reproductive rights and concede that this is a gigantic source of harm for women. In my opinion, no government body belongs anywhere near a woman's reproductive system, and this n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 04:27 PM
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That's pretty disingenuous, don't you think? There's much MUCH more depth and nuance to it than "men don't think they smash enough." And I'm pretty sure you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:25 PM
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I was challenging her assertions. There was no hostility or antagonism present in anything I said. That would still be a valid thing to do in a strength united scenario. In fact, there would be a lot of that going on in such a scenario, and that's a good thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:20 PM
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The first step really needs to be bridging the gap between genders. Like diligent, consistent, and unwavering effort needs to go to this cause. Hashtags to that effect need to be trending on every social media platform ever. It doesn't make sense for one gender to exclusively do the fighting for the equality of all genders. All genders should be fighting for all genders. The logical next step is for feminism and MRAs to merge and fight under one banner. The power wielded by a group like that wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:44 PM
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Most likely, I'm just like you. Trying to survive in a world where the vast majority of my time is devoted to being underpaid so that I don't end up homeless. I also want to be a part of the fighting force for women's issues. In my opinion, gender based advocacy groups need to be dissolved so that we can tackle the class actually doing the oppression. Our strength united could be unlike anything the world has ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:22 PM
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What men in this discourse are saying is women's issues have been front and center for a long time. When men's advocacy groups try to shift just some of the spotlight back onto men's issues, it's interpreted as an attempt to steal it or sabotage. Media outlets will bend over backwards to portray men's advocacy groups as hateful, misogynistic bigots, and feminist outcry is directed at real tangible efforts MRAs make. I know because before I educated myself, that was my impression of MRAs. So, thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:12 PM
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Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. She's wrong on every point, but somehow this seems to be the prevailing narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:25 PM
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What is the gross element in all of this for you? If the sex itself is gross, then 1 woman agreed to have sex with 100 men, while each individual man agreed to have sex with 1 woman. This 1 woman also organized and coordinated the entire event. I'm with you that the guys share in the grossness, but there is no way in hell any one of the men was more gross. I would perhaps even assign her extra gross points for profiting off of and coordinating the event.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:14 PM
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No! Women don't bash men's sexuality at all! They totally wouldn't resort to kicking the opposite sex when they're already down! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:53 PM
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Both can exist at the same time. She did seem to experience a profound wave of regret. Even going as far as to say, she dissociated from what she was doing. I dont think it would be unreasonable to call that a form of trauma response. At that point, I think an argument can be made that she reached a heightened state of self-inflicted objectification. It's entirely possible to deeply regret something and still proceed to do that same thing or even an exaggerated version of it. The pull of ever hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:26 PM
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This is a breathtakingly stupid take.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:34 PM
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Oh, I was just curious because your comment was definitely of that higher caliber that I would expect from that sub. Very well thought out and articulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:55 PM
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Are you from left wing maled advocates, man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:15 PM
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Let me paint a picture for you. You're at home chillin and a little bit of loneliness creeps in, so you pull out your phone to cycle through your dozens of Tinder matches. You hope to stumble upon a good partner or some validation at the very least. Now that it's super vivid in your minds eye, imagine that there are no matches. There are no likes. Not just once, but over and over again for weeks or months at a time. You're completely acclimated to coming up with super elaborate messages, intros,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:09 PM
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Yeah! This is basically perfect! Like flawlessly stated!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 01:54 PM
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If anything, the bar on masculinity has been raised significantly. As women adopt more masculine traits, men are expected to basically outmasculine them or exceed their masculinity in order to compensate. So it hasn't been the case where women have slid more into masculinity with the equal and opposite reaction being men slide more into femininity. It's women embody more masculinity, and men need to somehow squeeze into a more narrow range of masculinity that exists above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 03:37 PM
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So immaculately and perfectly said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:51 AM
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Exactly! Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth! Men are criticizing women's behavior, so it must therefore follow that these men have evil and sinister intentions and seek to enslave women. Clearly, that's the only rational explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:49 AM
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A very large and significant portion of MGTOW content involves reacting to the seemingly never ending supply of videos and accounts of women complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:08 AM
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You're not just shouting into the void man! I appreciate you speaking up on this topic tremendously! Please keep it up!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:15 PM
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Some jars are seriously hard as shit to open!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:28 PM
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It's really simple! Allow yourself to embody the form of femininity that feels most natural for you. The more authentic feminine energy you exude, the more his natural masculine energy will come to the surface. Nothing needs to be forced. Things like presence, warmth, tenderness, supportiveness go an incomprehensibly long way!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:11 PM
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Would it be fair to say feminism has transformed more from a movement to an attitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 06:16 PM
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No. Not all men prioritize sex. That's absurd. Lots of men value the simple companionship element of relationships either just as much or more than sex. I'm absolutely positive I'm not alone on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 11:05 PM
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Spitting bars! As usual!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:46 PM
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No, it doesn't. It simply doesn't. Do you have a tyrannical image of men in your head? No where did he say that. Are you attempting to read between imaginary lines?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 10:09 PM
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Thank you! Domestic violence has been categorized as an exclusively women's issue for far too long. This is a topic that hits incredibly close to home, so I do tend to get animated about it. Every single instance of domestic violence in my own life has been carried out by women. I could go into detail about it, but as we all know, anecdotal evidence is useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:19 PM
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You're spot on man. Don't back down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:05 PM
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Yeah, it's not even remotely true. You're just flat out wrong. This particular thread has been very enlightening in terms of how little you guys actually understand men. Especially in today's day and age. Men today are MUCH more cautious than men in generations past. It's like some women are operating on outdated software in some fairly massive ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:43 PM
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I would really encourage you to dispel this notion in your head that men are ultimately seeking just the chance to get laid. I DESPISE this misconception that men are underneath it all just sex crazed animals that lack any sophistication or depth beyond that. Women spout this sentiment on this sub constantly in one form or another, and it does feel as though it's a subtle attempt to dehumanize.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:15 PM
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That is absolutely not true. This is a myth that refuses to die, and it does also come across as an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:53 PM
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I would say, in recent years, which gender has been more portrayed as oppressors and which has been portrayed as the oppressed? Then follow that question with, in which direction is hatred more likely to flow in that scenario? No disrespect intended. Genuinely trying to answer your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:48 PM
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Is this rage bait man? I don't know how big your echo chamber is over where you are, but I can confidently say you're on your own on this one. No one with even a semblance of sanity thinks like this. Regardless of pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:07 AM
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This is a beautiful description. I would only add one key detail, and it's expanding on management of one's emotion. Existing inside emotional intelligence being composed of an ability to manage emotions, it's also the ability to confront your own emotions when the situation calls for it. If you have good reason to believe your emotions are steering you in the wrong direction, then acting contrary to them is the most beneficial course of action. And this is where people can come up short. Emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:38 PM
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https://www.saveservices.org/2022/12/why-are-young-women-becoming-more-violent/ You might also find this interesting. Lol I know I'm super late.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 11:04 PM
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Whether or not they're serious is completely meaningless for the purposes of this discussion. Also, I'm sure there are a lot of dudes on the internet saying things to that effect, but it has far less to do with them being men and far more to do with a deeply held hyper conservative belief structure. Do you see what happens when you clarify that part? Suddenly, it seems a lot less like all men are openly or secretly evil assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:54 PM
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That is profound! It was after a nightmare shroom trip that I began the process of overhauling my psychology from the ground up! Shrooms can show you in vivid detail what you need to see, but that doesn't mean it's always a pretty picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:22 PM
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I do think we need to start distancing certain branches of modern feminist ideologies from left wing ideologies. I would actually argue that some of the more hateful varieties of feminism have very right wing qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:09 PM
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If you really zoom in to the heart of the GIGANTIC majority of men, I think you would find they often times care about women more than other men. The results of the election were extremely disappointing. Trust me, I get it. There's a lot of young men out there that feel increasingly more ignored, isolated, and disenfranchised. Whether they would admit it or not, that absolutely influenced their vote. In my opinion, they just went about rectifying those feelings the completely wrong way. Those th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:29 PM
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This can't be real. That can't be what comes to mind when you think of accountability. It's not assuming you clearly did everything flawlessly, and therefore all that needs to happen is you need to monitor your next partner even more closely. It's more about dropping any self-righteousness temporarily and examining exactly how your behaviors also influenced the direction of the relationship. I'm not saying this is something you do or don't do. Just expanding the definition of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:55 AM
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You're absolutely right. They're not, Whether they're attracted to independence or not is a different matter, but they're definitely not threatened by it. Genuinely curious, do you feel independence and a pleasant personality can't coexist? Did just the suggestion of developing a pleasant and noncombative personality bring to mind a tradwife for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:24 AM
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Such an unexpectedly motivating and inspiring comment!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:33 PM
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In group bias doesn't mean men can't or don't want to work together. It means they don't conform or align with each other as readily. I would even go as far as to say men work together fabulously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:12 PM
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Let's examine the word "tolerable" there. To me, that implies little to no emotional investment and that you're merely waiting for the "rough moment" to be over. It sounds more like the "rough moment" is inconveniencing you, and you have no interest whatsoever in the wellbeing of the person involved. I could be wrong, but it certainly feels like this attitude is only becoming more widespread on a societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:08 AM
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Are you a bro? It's okay... you can tell us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:40 AM
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He's definitely not saying men don't have standards, he's saying the standards men typically do have are much more realistic and attainable. You don't need to spend countless years rigorously chasing peak physical, emotional, financial development to be appealing to the average dude. I think that's what he is getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:37 PM
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Nah, I think you're just flat out wrong. It's getting less and less sensible to pull the "touch grass" card. While it applies in some instances, it can dismiss the colossal reach and influence of the internet, which grows stronger with every passing second. The topic being discussed in OP's post is not an exclusively online phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:03 PM
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I made a post akin to this not all that long ago. You're touching on exactly the same thing I was commenting on, and that is this narrative that in order for men to even be eligible to enter the dating market, they have to be either at their apex of self actualization or close to it. I don't think anyone would seriously argue that self-improvement is a bad thing. In fact, it can be considered one of the primary things that gives life its purpose. What I am getting a little sick of is this notion…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 05:35 PM
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I'm gonna jump in here, I think you massively underestimate the impact pure empathy can have. Empathy on its own can go a very, VERY long way. The value of feeling genuinely seen and heard is off the charts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:37 AM
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