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I don't know, seems to me like it really did. Sure a rich dude here and there had a mistress but harems haven't been a thing in the west for quite a while
/r/MensRights29/07/26 08:36 AM
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Or the return of harems for the wealthy and successful men. That is the most likely outcome
/r/MensRights29/07/26 01:37 AM
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So it's mostly women who are misogynists then? Sounds like that is what they are saying
/r/MensRights25/07/26 10:04 AM
2

"It didn't halve our working hours." But it sure crashed the salaries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 01:19 AM
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It's the OG Red Pill way before incel become a term for anything. It grew out of a completely different context than the "Black Pill" and "incels"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 01:18 AM
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"Women naturally want men to lead. Men naturally protect. Women naturally stay home. It's a very convenient worldview," The term "Red Pill" is terrible to describe this attitude. There are plenty of things and ideas the "Red Pill" describe but that is not one of the core ones so why obfuscate? That is a specific corner of a Christian revival gender debate that is a fringe of "Red Pill" thought. If we instead talked about hypergamy and things like that it would fit the bill much better, if we wan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 09:04 AM
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I mean, that is what chivalry is. All ladies. You aren't being chivalrous by helping your wife.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 12:56 AM
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It is and there are a whole lot of others as well. There is a general attitude change going on with men that has been shifting slowly under the surface of politics itself as well. If the whole society is against you and you are actively being discriminated against, perhaps the society itself has to change.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 12:55 AM
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I think there are two things happening in parallell. One is that men, especially young men, have started to defend their spaces against women more and more. Over time this may not only slow down the female take over of those spaces but actually protect them against it. We see this in gaming that, even though enormous amounts of money from feminist leaning organisations the gamers themselves, basically men, have started to push back. The other effect is that men will create creative cultural outl…
/r/MensRights14/07/26 12:52 AM
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I wonder if that was strategic. Would anyone have cared if it was a boys school?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/26 09:57 AM
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"Chivalry isnt being weak" It isn't? Could have fooled me...
/r/MensRights13/07/26 09:39 AM
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"Could it actually push some men toward more defensive or even more radical positions because they feel they are being unfairly stereotyped or blamed?" Could? It has already been happening for more than a decade. This isn't a new phenomena.
/r/MensRights13/07/26 09:29 AM
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I think the lack of response is kind of due to how this has already been discussed in a way. That being said, I actually agree with you that it needs to be discussed more, not less because there are things happening here that I don't think have been analyzed enough. Part of the discussion is what is happening here https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/ Another part of it is that men were pushed out of the culture sphere, often brutally so, in the 90s. It isn't just a new phenome…
/r/MensRights13/07/26 09:28 AM
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It was never envisioned as such and has never been a gender-neutral field. To make it one would upend the whole field.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 05:17 PM
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Even without reading that, feminism ISN'T a framework. It is a political movement and being unfalsifiable is a net benefit in every situation to a political movement. So I don't really know why they would ever move away from that? Is there an actual benefit?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 05:16 PM
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"Now do race"
/r/MensRights08/07/26 04:45 PM
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Just read their forums. That will disabuse you of any notion it would be different. They are very clear where they stand on that issue
/r/MensRights08/07/26 01:34 AM
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They could but the problem here is that society doesn't value the time men put in. It used to be a huge merit in most European countries to have trained in the military and even more so for leadership roles. That is now illegal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 03:33 AM
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It is primarily an attempt to *neutralize* male victims so that groups that works for men's rights can't claim they are the only ones supporting them.
/r/MensRights28/06/26 03:09 AM
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And even thought men are the ones actually being conscripted women will argue for all the benefits of having been conscripted. It is the worst of all solutions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 03:05 AM
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It doesn't even matter if it is abolished. If you country is attack you will be drafted. Full stop. And the choices really are these, you get drafted, you and the women get drafted but the women don't get sent to die on the front, no one cares and you get conquered. You bet that you get drafted after that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 02:14 AM
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You have to understand that women, all women, in his life has always demanded that the adjust how he speaks and what he says to her taste. This is not a new feminist thing either, it's just what women in general do. And so men usually created spaces where they could be with other men and do things they wanted to do. Unfortunately these spaces have been ruthlessly invaded and in many places made illegal. So there he is, not having learned even how to separate these ways to speaks and instead he i…
/r/MensRights28/06/26 02:00 AM
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"Well, the patriarchy "exists" in the bonds between men, so if you want to smash the patriarchy you have to go where men form those bonds. Hence why feminists are so insistent on getting on getting women in there to disrupt the bonding." Basically this
/r/MensRights28/06/26 01:55 AM
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"One system gives women all the power and calls it progress. The other gives men all the power and calls it God’s will."
/r/MensRights22/06/26 01:02 AM
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I kind of wonder sometimes if they really just wanted us to say no?
/r/MensRights22/06/26 01:01 AM
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They are a tiny minority and the culture of the nation will determine which way it goes with that question. In the end the answer to what the nation will do in those cases will not affect the broader point.
/r/MensRights21/06/26 07:39 AM
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Yes, they used to have it and it was removed over time but it shows that it can exist. I'm pretty sure that is the only realistic way to solve the problem, they will never mass recruit women and send them on the same kinds of missions as men. It will just not happen
/r/MensRights20/06/26 12:37 PM
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This is why the idea that abolishing conscription or to make conscription both male and female is dead in the water. When society itself is attacked and the attack is serious enough society WILL recruit those that can defend it and that WILL be men. There will be no change to this unless men give up completely on their society and at that point we can and should expect another society where the men haven't given up on it to swoop in and take over. Instead we should focus on giving men the privil…
/r/MensRights19/06/26 01:12 PM
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You are free to argue with the lawyers if you want to, I am merely relating back how those discussion went.
/r/MensRights18/06/26 09:03 AM
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The argument goes that the act of demanding written consent from the women itself opens up for coercion and that it is not the norm to do so which implies an increased risk for that being a demand from the man put upon the women instead of something she did spontaneously
/r/MensRights18/06/26 12:48 AM
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While the law isn't gendered rape laws in most countries themselves are so in practice the law will be gendered
/r/MensRights18/06/26 12:13 AM
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This has already been investigated by lawyers in a number of Eu countries and the general consensus is that audio and written evidence will not in fact change the outcome since those are not cultural norms and thus are more likely to be coerced. So no, there will be no "sex contracts" The only thing that will happen is that sexual contact will become societal more fraught and unpredictable
/r/MensRights18/06/26 12:12 AM
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Since this is the EU what it will do is rewrite national laws regarding rape in different and unpredictable ways but in the direction of word against word cases will be judged against the defendant unless the defendant can clearly show that he had a reason to assume it was consensual. This doesn't sound so bad until you realize that proving a negative is exceedingly difficult and that the defendant will not have to investigatory powers or resources of the police to back him up. I expect there to…
/r/MensRights18/06/26 12:10 AM
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No that is fair, I'm sure we can find some but many were also just straight up conquered or ravaged by plague or something like that. Basically outside forces the civilisation doesn't have much control over have to be disregarded in this case for the comparison to remain viable
/r/MensRights10/06/26 10:57 PM
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So the interesting thing is that we have historical records of women getting significant influence over law and religion, after that we have civilisational collapse and after that we have a bunch of cultural rules against women in public roles. It's a very interesting pattern
/r/MensRights08/06/26 11:45 PM
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We will see. Once men become a political subject there will be androcentric politics both on the left and the right just like we have female centric politics both on the right and the left today
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/26 11:39 PM
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It does yes if the portions are small
/r/MensRights08/06/26 03:08 PM
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This isn't even close to being correct. Women have a lot of political power in most societies in the world, not least the west. Secondly, feminist organisations have relentlessly campaigned for limiting custody for men. This isn't even controversial, just look it up. Women are, quite literally, assumed to be the victims of domestic violence by the police as per the rules the officers follow. This isn't even the kind of silent assumptions that feminists rely on to describe why they are victims. M…
/r/MensRights08/06/26 12:44 AM
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If you are gay I have to say what you say is exactly what all gay men I know always tell me
/r/MensRights05/06/26 06:33 PM
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They really, really aren't, it just seems like it. Funny thing is that my gay friends always complain that women are way more homophobic than your average, straight guy in almost every case
/r/MensRights05/06/26 06:32 PM
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Even if true there are statistically no white men in SE Asia. There are no large immigrant communities, there are no major cities in SE Asia that are majority white and there are no countries where they are a significant minority. It's mostly an internet and a very, very limited tourist area issue
/r/MensRights05/06/26 04:08 PM
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I mean, yes? That has been the deal every since UN women became a thing. Not that they are the ones doing this but rather this shift aligns in time more than anything else
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:26 PM
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Well, I'm not surprised that those topics don't fly in the women's movement. It is the women's movement after all
/r/MensRights04/06/26 12:41 AM
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The idea from the beginning is that it IS inherently male, not patriarchal. The patriarchal part comes into play when talking about why society allows men to gaze at women. It should be allowed and society should be structured to not make that possible
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 10:40 AM
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Is this "recent" a generation ago? say 30 years ago or so?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 10:23 AM
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In a way I think there are connections actually. The lack of mens rights in the common discourse can and will push men into political discourse where it is allowed. The alt-right being one such space.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 10:18 AM
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They used to have all the rights and freedoms as well. It's not as if men had all these extra freedoms that women did not
/r/MensRights03/06/26 10:06 AM
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What is this "transformation" you speak about? Feminism hasn't transformed at all and if anything it is nicer today than it used to be
/r/MensRights02/06/26 09:11 AM
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While tradcon women push gender roles as well feminist women are on a whole other level. Most tradcon women are willing to compromise on gender roles, bend them a bit both for them and for men but so many feminists are extremely set on very rigid gender roles. It's kind of crazy
/r/MensRights02/06/26 09:10 AM
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You can't actually do that. If you do it will be raised with the unions and a correction plan will be made. This can result in reassignment or being fired. These systems have run for a long time now and most cases of abuse have lead the system to change or adapt over time
/r/MensRights02/06/26 08:42 AM
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Generally speaking this is kind of a complex web of responsibilities, laws and rules. In most countries in the EU the first one or two days are free to take but your pay will be docked. After that you get full pay for a week or two depending on the country paid by the employer. After that the employer is off the hook and the government steps in paying you 50% to 70% of your salary for a set amount of time. During this time you are obliged to go back to work if possible and the employer is workin…
/r/MensRights02/06/26 08:40 AM
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That is when you hold two version of the same argument at the same time and apply them strategically. Say, "feminism just wants equality between the sexes." and "We (feminists) want laws to apply differently to men and women" If you argue against the second opinion they will defend the first one "So you don't want equality between the sexes?" and any argument against the former will apply to the second. "The motte-and-bailey fallacy (named after the motte-and-bailey castle) is a form of argument…
/r/MensRights31/05/26 08:05 AM
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Ok, because it is needed in the case of female employees and male managers. It might be made more neutral by having it apply to female managers and male employees as well but we don't have enough cases to demand that yet. The rules are applied where they are needed, not because we are trying to enact moral change right now.
/r/MensRights31/05/26 08:02 AM
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The rules are applied where they are needed. The same thing is true in other places or other areas
/r/MensRights31/05/26 07:55 AM
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Seems like they had it figured out
/r/MensRights31/05/26 07:54 AM
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That would introduce unfortunate statistics into the debate and who wants that /s
/r/MensRights31/05/26 07:53 AM
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Non of that is true of course. It just creates a professional environment for both the manager and the employee protecting her from unwanted advances and a hostile work environment. Even HR agrees with him here
/r/MensRights30/05/26 08:12 AM
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Absolutely, that is a trap and no other group does that either. However, they make it clear when one political party or the other represent their issues better. Also, do not underestimate the amount of feminists in right wing circles. The political parties and organisations on the right are absolutely full of them and they vote in lock step with their sisters on the left on issues they care about more often than not. Yes sometimes they have disagreements on the methods but rarely on the goals
/r/MensRights29/05/26 04:12 PM
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While all of this is true it doesn't actually touch on the problem itself. You can't expect an ideology to cater to you as a political entity without being a political entity. US politics doesn't specifically cater to Belgians or painters because they are not political entities in US politics. They have no platform in the parties, no caucuses, no national organisations that act like pressure groups, no news papers dedicated to political issues for men, no independent radio programs, no clubs, no…
/r/MensRights29/05/26 03:40 PM
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Or equal custody laws. Not pro male, just equal
/r/MensRights29/05/26 08:49 AM
0

But they support those policies. There is no contradiction
/r/MensRights29/05/26 08:48 AM
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Sorry but that Motte-and-bailey doean't work anymore. This has been pushed by feminist organisations on both the US and outside. Organisations that are the main standard bearers of feminism and that have a large influence on feminist discourse, lobbying and academic feminist achievements. It's about as main stream feminism as you can get. If you want that to not be associated with feminism, work to dismantle the feminist and women's organisations out there and we can talk
/r/MensRights29/05/26 08:48 AM
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"At best, we might find solace in a male rapist being raped by other men" Yeah I find female criminals being sent to be rd fine as well... Right? Or is that fine when it is applied to men?
/r/MensRights28/05/26 08:38 PM
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"At best, we might find solace in a male rapist being raped by other men" Yeah I find female criminals being sent to be raped fine as well... Right? Or is that just about men?
/r/MensRights28/05/26 08:35 PM
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No, feminism just wants to structurally disadvantage men
/r/MensRights28/05/26 08:29 PM
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And perhaps most importantly, they always did. There is no period when they were better, in fact they may actually be better now
/r/MensRights28/05/26 08:28 PM
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These laws need to become more wide spread tbh
/r/MensRights26/05/26 12:21 PM
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Yes, this is basically it. They are a political entity
/r/MensRights21/05/26 01:38 PM
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Research shows that it is the other way around. The Women are wonderful effect does wonders for the grades though and it starts early
/r/MensRights16/05/26 01:13 AM
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I am not. You were the one that brought that up
/r/MensRights10/05/26 04:10 PM
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It never was. It has always been like it is today. Perhaps a little worse in fact
/r/MensRights10/05/26 03:39 PM
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"We are not being denied jobs or child custody or anything like that because women exercise a high level, often unrealistic, selectively criteria about thier dating choices." No, that is due to structure power of women lead organizations and women's political power in a society where men lack political power on the basis of being men. That isn't due to dating choices.
/r/MensRights10/05/26 03:35 PM
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They never were man, they never were
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 03:32 PM
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Yes, this is really "social justice" The exact same logic is used for race (And no, it isn't just about white people even if it's mostly about white people. Other societies target other demographics with the same logic)* Basically, social justice is a vehicle to launder hate and make it acceptable when the user of social justice uses it and not acceptable when the target of the social justice wielder uses it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 07:44 AM
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At this point women spout so much BS I kind of wonder if it is worth listening to what they say. The vibe is probably much more important than the content at this point...
/r/MensRights08/05/26 07:34 AM
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Completely agree. Even know more than a few men like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 11:03 PM
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I have seen that study but I don't actually believe it. It doesn't seem to hold up in real life very well
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 10:59 PM
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All of this is true. But we see the same dynamic play out in organizations that are explicitly non political as they become more and more female dominated as well. It's not just explicit feminists that cause this
/r/MensRights02/05/26 03:00 PM
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"If anything, women cause men to be homophobic because they feel like they have to prove they aren't gay" This seems to be very true
/r/MensRights02/05/26 02:57 PM
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I see massive amounts of misandry in both the left and right wing political spheres. It's just that they have split which part they focus on. On the other hand, we see the left kind of co-opt the rights traditional expressions of misandry so I wonder if we will see the right reinvent itself as the non misandric side or if they will double down and try to reclaim their own (or the lefts) brand of misandry
/r/MensRights02/05/26 02:36 PM
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Not all women but organizations dominated by women seem to drift to that point almost to a fault. This doesn't even seem to be a left or right issue but rather it is how women organize more than anything else
/r/MensRights02/05/26 02:30 PM
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To quote several of my gay friends "People say that men are homophobic but it is always women that are homophobic and all straight men I know and meet are generally never homophobic" Mind you, that was like 2 decades ago and it is obviously worse now. I just think that women have been the ones that view gay men the most negatively for a very long time. This isn't new in any way.
/r/MensRights02/05/26 02:29 PM
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I wonder how much of a choice it really was? Men care about women on a very visceral level and that is easy to exploit. Even easier in a cultural milieu where chivalry and protecting women were seen as a general sign of a good man.
/r/MensRights30/04/26 08:38 PM
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It was always like this, all the way back in the 90s and allegedly even earlier than that. We even see it in political organizations dominated by women. It just seems to be a thing with women at this point
/r/MensRights30/04/26 08:26 PM
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Interestingly it was never any different. Even the earliest feminists had that as the center of their writing and activism
/r/MensRights25/04/26 03:34 PM
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The same is true for women, they don't have any real problems just feelings driven by social media consumption
/r/MensRights25/04/26 03:32 PM
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It is according to the law in basically all western countries and in countries being pressured by the west to accept a set of accords for women's rights that include that
/r/MensRights25/04/26 03:31 PM
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His whole thing is that women are good and so they are fine while men aren't good and therefore can't handle the modern world. If you look at what he says from that angle most of what he says makes sense inside of that framework
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 06:57 AM
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This right here I think is an underrated comment. This will become more and more important in the future as well since so many young women are exposed to so much misandric content
/r/MensRights23/04/26 01:49 PM
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This is the logical conclusion of their position. I mean, it's just what it is
/r/EverydayMisandry22/04/26 10:36 PM
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Patriarchy was almost certainly the prerequisite for civilisation itself. It's not just something I'm saying but this has also been postulated by some feminist scholars.
/r/MensRights19/04/26 12:32 AM
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She has basically no real foundation for her beliefs, shifting between statements and different standpoints seemingly at a whim and seemingly based on the clicks she gets.
/r/MensRights16/04/26 03:12 PM
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Considering it is such an absolutely terrible grift I can't even imagine someone sticking to it for long. Also Pearl. Absolutely 100% Pearl Davis
/r/MensRights16/04/26 08:35 AM
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The words mean different things. Misandric is the action of misandry, "a misandric screed" Misandrist is someone who is misandric, doing misandric things or holding misandric views. Misandristic is someone whose nature is that of a misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 01:19 PM
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Funny how men from other places are not only granted asylum if their country is at war but it is even a reason to get asylum but if it is Ukraine then you can't get asylum? Funny. Very funny
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 11:51 PM
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There is one thing they can do and if they do it will change everything like a game of dominoes. If the left can actively, unironically, promote a significant policy that helps men and only men in an area that is significant for men it would have a domino effect where they would have to examine how they view men and women politically. For the left it has to come from practice, not just theory. There is so much theory floating around in the left wing political space that just theory doesn't reall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 09:00 AM
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Absolutely
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 08:26 PM
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I mean, the logic is that it is the fault of Patriarchy and thus the fault of men at large
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 06:54 PM
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"This sub is quite literally part of the manosphere."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 09:44 PM
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You mean this sub isn't part of the manosphere? Why do you think that's the case?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 08:48 PM
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I would posit that they don't. Some do but those women are usually extremely lightly invested in the idea of feminism and don't know anything about it. Even women that know just a bit about it know that isn't the case. It really is a pretty trivial motte-and-baily argument from feminists and it isn't even very old. It started in the early 2000s as a slogan and before that it didn't really exist in discourse at all.
/r/MensRights07/04/26 09:05 AM
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Just stop explaining things to women. It is a male way of socializing and men understand the context but women don't like it, don't appreciate it and we should just stop trying to interact with them the same way we interact with men. Stop explaining things to women, save that for other men
/r/MensRights06/04/26 06:53 PM
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I think this is a relevant question and doesn't deserve down votes. Having sat in on more than one meeting years ago regarding these things it was most certainly deliberate. This included remaking mathematics material until the test results for girls were better than boys and the like. There were several iteration of this and they didn't give up until the test results favored girls over boys. The they let it be This was also based on similar attempts that had been done way before my time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 10:14 AM
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Take the pill or talk to the father. It's a non event today with the access we have to early abortions
/r/MensRights05/04/26 11:12 PM
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Yes, get the consent of the man before getting pregnant isn't that hard. Just make sure he is ok with it
/r/MensRights05/04/26 12:05 PM
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It is so unhinged that even men that are raped can't opt out from that parenthood in ANY way, not even financially
/r/MensRights05/04/26 12:04 PM
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I'm sure it has pushed more than a few into that camp. Especially with the complete lack of bodily autonomy and control over parenthood that men have. But the abortion debate in the US is very different from almost every other country including the rest of the west. The pro abortion side is super extreme to the point that it is hard to comprehend in Europe. The Anti abortion side is basically everyone from "I want to ban all abortion no matter what" to "I want an abortion term limit at 12 weeks"…
/r/MensRights05/04/26 12:03 PM
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"Tapping the sign" You can't do that without political power already in place. The metoo movement is a result of women having political power, women having political power isn't the result of it.
/r/MensRights05/04/26 11:33 AM
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Yes it was. That's my point, women were not discriminated against in the 50s. It's just that boys were as discriminated against.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 11:32 AM
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They do but men also don't have any political power as men. There are no policies that are explicitly pro men, no political parties that are pro men, no campaign promises that are explicitly pro men, no groups within political parties that are pro men, no NGOs that are explicitly pro men. You get the picture, there are more organisations out there that are pro animals than there are pro male ones. You can't expect any political power in those circumstances
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 11:30 AM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272775718307714 https://blueprintcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Boys-Lag-Behind-How-Teachers-Gender-Biases-Affect-Student-Achievement_June-2020.pdf The study shows that academic development of boys is permanently harmed by biased teachers in general and female biased teachers in particular "I now turn to results on the effect of being assigned a biased teacher on students’ outcomes. Estimates are based on Eq. (6) and are reported in Tab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 11:26 AM
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Imagine telling women to step up and stay with the father not to deprive their boys of a vital parent. Imagine that
/r/MensRights05/04/26 10:17 AM
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Women have always been handsy af in the work place. Offices, bars, restaurants, out on consulting jobs you name it. I don't know where this idea comes from at all
/r/MensRights05/04/26 10:12 AM
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This sub is quite literally part of the manosphere. By definition. It's like the term "incel" Or "toxic masculinity" Just because there are a bunch of feminists and women's subs that use the terms to mean anything they don't like doesn't mean that is what those words actually mean. If we do fall for that a swathe of subjects become essentially impossible to talk about or discuss which is the intended effect to begin with
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 09:41 AM
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"Boys are unfortunately in a place girls were in in the 1950s" So this is interesting because I have never seen any clear evidence of this being the case. Girls didn't get lower grades back then, boys are the ones that fell off a cliff. We also have testimony about these things from teachers back then as well and nothing really seems to show this being the case
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 09:38 AM
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There is a new study made in France that shows that the main bias is gendered now as well. Interesting stuff
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 09:37 AM
2

" If we address that, we probably get everything else for free. " It's not addressable. There is nothing that can be done about that without making men a political subject first and through that push on the symptoms. It's a bit like trying to all men sexually attracted to all women no matter age or weight but not too much so it becomes a problem. It's a nice idea but ultimately impossible. Making men a political subject on the other hand, meaning making men as a group vote for and express politi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 09:35 AM
4

It really doesn't work very well as a forum for advancing our ideas to the world and that would also beg the question, where would these ideas then be discussed among ourselves first. Perhaps there are fora I'm not aware of for that but in a way I kind of doubt it I guess
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 09:58 AM
4

The idea is that at least they don't actively hate me. Still, men need to become a political entity before anything will get better
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 08:56 PM
3

The thing about races to the bottom is that it inflicts costs on the other side and in the end they have to change or the political areas become neutral. Principle cucking only works when you can appeal to others in THEIR political alliance to bring them to task. As long as that option is out of the window principle cucking ONLY makes attacking you cost free
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 01:23 PM
4

How could they not though? The manosphere was created in reaction to them, not the other way around
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 01:14 PM
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It's really only a motte-and-baily thing. Feminism is defined as the women's (supremacy) movement and it will do what benefits women. That's it really
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 12:13 PM
14

The right operates on "we don't care how much we hurt you" regarding men. The left, more often than not, hates men. Both are destructive and it won't change until men are a political entity. Until both side, when campaigning, have to answer questions on "how does this policy benefit men" like they do with women, or gay people or the middle class or whatever this won't change. Men have to become a political entity, have their own political organizations in political parties, their own departments…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 12:11 PM
12

It was always an effective gotcha because the average online feminist wasn't willing to grapple with that fact. It was never an actual argument against their position. So basically, you are right but it did work as long as the particular feminist you argued with wasn't willing to grapple with that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 01:45 PM
24

At a certain point that is expected. You see white people in Brazil say they are brown or black more and more often and white men are less and less likely to put down white in forms where there are any kind of benefits on the line. I bet, if they could put down 'women' and it wouldn't be obvious a lot of men would do that as well
/r/MensRights24/03/26 08:39 AM
24

They do but do they face as many and serious issues as ugly men?
/r/MensRights24/03/26 08:30 AM
12

This trend became really massive in the late 50's and early 60s. It kind of made feminism even stranger than it was before when it was mostly a female supremacy movement
/r/MensRights23/03/26 01:19 AM
3

Even the proto feminism of the 1600s argued that women were morally superior to men and should rule over men both in worldly and spiritual matters. This in turn become a much more firmly held stance in the late 1700s and was part of the feminist groundwork of the 1800s both in the United states and in Europe. Non of it was focused on women as victims but rather primarily on women not only ruling in social and domestic sphere but also primarily religious sphere. This in turn became a calling card…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 06:18 PM
3

It wasn't even that to begin with. It was wrapped up in female supremacy almost from the start. Most often female moral supremacy but also female religious supremacy (which isn't exactly the same thing but often draws from the same source) The anti-slavery movement drew its ideological foundation from something else at least
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 05:20 PM
24

And that was always the point of feminism. It wasn't "corrupted", the feminists weren't "lead astray" and this wasn't a "regrettable mistake" This is what it always was
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 12:00 PM
2

Maybe. There are many things that we assumed were impossible to implement and yet were successfully implemented. I wouldn't write that off so quickly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 02:17 AM
1

Depends on the country but in many cases it is implicitly illegal. That means that if they have men's only areas, which is legal, it opens them up to either other kinds of legal liabilities or it opens them up to negative pressures from, often state funded, feminist or women's organizations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 02:54 PM
9

Many of these are previously married people and 2 million per year isn't all that many marriages. Among never married the statistics are down right dire
/r/MensRights14/03/26 12:17 PM
20

Over the years, as male exclusive spaces disappeared, I have come to the opposite conclusion. We do need gender exclusive spaces as breathing spaces. Gender mixed spaces are never neutral and there are social needs that are best met in gender exclusive spaces for both genders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 12:13 PM
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Yes, women mostly seem to want women's gyms less than men want men's gyms for some reason when I looked into it. It's just that men's gyms in most places are either implicitly or explicitly illegal and makes the owner vulnerable to lawsuits
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 12:11 PM
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There are several trends at work here at the same time. First of all, women generally marry older men but the stats here aren't about marriage, it's mostly about the development of soft harems where many women date one man. The "men don't approach" is pretty easily explained by it being completely unacceptable to approach women. You can't do it at work, your employer will ban that. You can't do that at the gym, the gym doesn't want the heat You can't do it on the street,, it's street harassment …
/r/MensRights14/03/26 11:35 AM
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A lot of men do want that but there are two things slowing down adoption. There is basically a huge cottage industry of female advocacy out there and they can and will target business on these issues even if there are no women actually interested in buying their products or staying there. This in turn creates a pressure to create these separate spaces no matter if women are even using your services. Putting together pressure groups are hard works and it is much harder if you are not only not get…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 11:18 AM
9

Feminism basically wear class struggle like the skin coat of a corps. Unless the creature is excised there is little chance of making things better
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 11:03 AM
9

A rapey billionaire vampire !
/r/MensRights11/03/26 08:31 PM
0

"For example, even though very flawed, feminism started as a pro-woman movement about better rights and opportunities for women." Did it? Did it really?
/r/MensRights11/03/26 01:24 AM
1

Over time it is likely but we will likely see political movements before that. Only if those fail completely will we see that kind of breakdown. That political movement can take many forms, it can be ideological, it can be religious, or it can be something else but it is likely to happen
/r/MensRights11/03/26 12:04 AM
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It does seem like the socially accepted outcome is either stoic suffering or death more often than not which is as terrible as it is true. Until we get to grips with this a lot of issue will just seem like they "happen" to men without any real cause
/r/MensRights11/03/26 12:00 AM
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Yes, obviously. Don't feed those that hate you
/r/MensRights09/03/26 11:56 PM
0

Remember that if women have the right to vote but men don't unless they do something that women do not have to do MEN do not have the vote and women have the vote before men. This has been true in most of Scandinavia and likely in many other parts of the world as well
/r/MensRights09/03/26 02:06 PM
20

Was international women's day ever anything other than feminist propaganda? I mean, it was created for that purpose in the first place, why would it change?
/r/MensRights08/03/26 11:31 AM
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What can I say, trust me when I say that the preference for women increases the higher up the ladder you go, it doesn't go down one bit. The amount of managers that are promoted based on gender to hit quotas are massive. After that, once the managers are female dominated the entry levels become female dominated almost immediately without any quotas. This trend then follows the organization over times as women climb the ladder
/r/MensRights08/03/26 01:15 AM
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Boys were never encouraged much in STEM but they are actively DIScouraged now
/r/MensRights06/03/26 10:58 AM
63

Look at all the women in the files. There are tons of them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 10:52 AM
5

That's crazy but probably true
/r/MensRights02/03/26 05:52 PM
8

Yes, exactly this. It is actually the most common definition and forced to penetrate is vanishingly rare as a legal definition
/r/MensRights02/03/26 05:28 PM
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No, of course it isn't but that isn't the reason why it is considered one thing when it happens to a man and another thing when it happens to a women. We are talking about "considered" here, not how the world should be
/r/MensRights02/03/26 05:27 PM
6

How is it false? It's literally on the books in most jurisdictions
/r/MensRights02/03/26 04:57 PM
0

I honestly don't even understand the down votes. Men, by legal definition, can't be raped by women unless they use a strap-on in most jurisdictions. This isn't a value statement, it is the legal reality in most places today
/r/MensRights02/03/26 04:53 PM
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Because that is how most women work? Women have to do a lot of unintuitive things for men as well
/r/MensRights02/03/26 04:51 PM
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Because men, by definition, can't be raped
/r/MensRights02/03/26 04:17 PM
3

I think it just became commonly accepted that was the case. It really is about half a century old at this point, before we only really had the radical feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 11:11 AM
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Remember that feminism started out as only the radicals. The kill all men (except for 10%), the family unit should be destroyed, the children are the result of rape etc was all part of the original feminism. The shield developed as a strategic part of the movement and wasn't something that was ever an actual ideological part of it to begin with. It's not a bug, it's a feature
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 11:08 AM
4

You absolutely bet they are. They just have a much easier time doing it than most men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 09:36 AM
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Also, there are SO many female perps in those files it's crazy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 07:52 PM
14

Glad to see the comments acknowledge what terrible advice this is
/r/MensRights23/02/26 08:11 PM
3

It's pretty simple, feminism won't end unless there is push back. It is way too early to just give in to women again
/r/MensRights15/02/26 08:33 PM
1

It's much easier to make but it generally uses a lot more fabric to make, even taking material waste into account.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 01:28 AM
2

Men have historically worn clothing that have looked similar to skirts over their legs and not just kilts. The designs have been gender distinct of course but functionally it has been the same type of dress. I don't know where the comment about crop tops came from but if women like men in crop tops more than the military clothing men wear today I'm sure it will catch on sooner or later. Skinny jeans surely did
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 01:27 AM
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So, I'll be a bit "no actually" in this response. Sorry but it is one of those misconceptions that annoy me a bit Women didn't actually go into physical work to any greater extent when they started to wear pantaloons. In fact, they were moving away from physical laborer at that point. Essentially all modern male clothing are variants of military uniforms and women starting to wear that was female fashion copying male clothing. The advantage was that the old style of dress built up the female bod…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 04:15 PM
1

Is it ACTUALLY paved with good intentions? Or is it bad intentions all the way down?
/r/MensRights02/02/26 04:04 PM
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For mens clothing that is part of Great Male Renunciation where men started to wear practical, often military, uniforms instead of their normal colourful and decorated clothing. It's so normal in the west now that no one seems to remember that it wasn't always like that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:46 PM
1

No discrimination in the workplace, it's insanely easy to get hired as a women with less qualifications in a lot of industries Equal access in the cultural sphere, published authors of books etc Equal access in education, make sure higher education has more equal amounts of male and female graduates in all disciplines Equal rights in legislation, more men are sentenced to harsher sentences than women. In general and that is systemic, for the same crime and that is sexism Equal rights to parentho…
/r/MensRights02/02/26 12:35 PM
3

Try to create a mens council in the party directed by mens rights activists would be a great first step. There are already several of those dedicated to women directed by feminists.
/r/MensRights26/01/26 01:34 PM
6

Understand this, as long as men aren't a political subject compared to a political object we will never, ever have a political party giving a shit about us. It doesn't matter how many we are, how much "activists" work. Until we are a political subject and they will lose votes en masse not giving us political benefits the only real road forward is to become a political subject. This is the way minorities get things from the political system and the less of a minority you are the more you can get.…
/r/MensRights26/01/26 10:57 AM
1

Interesting, thank you Did you feel this was a general attitude in all those countries or did some of them stand out to you?
/r/MensRights26/01/26 01:30 AM
1

I'm curious, which countries are those?
/r/MensRights26/01/26 12:22 AM
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Yes, having worked in upper management for a long time this was always the case. It was quite literally insane
/r/MensRights21/01/26 01:30 PM
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Interestingly we see the same dynamics in workplaces with a lot of women and few men. It is likely not a random occurance
/r/MensRights21/01/26 01:21 PM
2

The the same time, why is any debate about med defined by two crazy women debating this on social media? Does it even make any sense?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 12:25 AM
0

The far left? I have literally never seen it. The left? Yes, I think there is space for it there
/r/MensRights18/01/26 12:20 AM
1

As long as they aren't first and second wave feminism we should all be happy
/r/MensRights14/01/26 08:41 PM
4

I'm terribly sorry to hear that. But yes, this does happen in all kinds of situations
/r/MensRights14/01/26 08:24 PM
2

That's what a nazi would say
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 04:27 PM
1

There are yes but the issue is, it is MOST feminists and have been for a long time. Worse, those that are not, do not speak up against those that are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 04:26 PM
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The rest of FMG is extremely rare. Boys are much worse off when it come to genital mutilation than girls are and it's not even close
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 04:25 PM
5

Ironically, it really is a Euro-centric take. In Europe we don't sexually mutilate children of either gender and that is pretty rare today
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 04:23 PM
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Idk, do suicides count?
/r/MensRights14/01/26 04:18 PM
6

I wonder if the reach isn't just greater and we spend more time on social media so it hits more. Even as far back as the 90s we had extremely overt misandry at levels that would actually get you banned on social media today. Back in the old FB days there was MASSIVE amounts of misandry posted openly under their own name. In fact, it got a bit better after 2011 or so when men started to push back more and more forcing those extreme messages to go under ground or at least into closed groups. Perha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 10:03 AM
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No female scientist get disproportionately more credit and more spotlight than male scientist. The problem of course is that the Mathilda effect is, effectively, unfalsifiable. You can't point to actual accomplishments male scientists have made without being accused of that actually being a women that did that but we "don't know her name" at will. Likewise, even the tiniest contribution "X was his lab assistant" is gassed up to levels where it is unclear if she was the actual inventor
/r/MensRights14/01/26 09:41 AM
10

It was always about that, it hasn't changed all that much
/r/MensRights14/01/26 01:42 AM
11

Sure but also, this is just lesbians being thirsty and trying to score straight chicks. Basically making it easier
/r/EverydayMisandry14/01/26 12:16 AM
2

Yes, obviously but no one can say that or things will get ugly. Even the male loneliness epidemic is tricky as is for them
/r/MensRights14/01/26 12:12 AM
5

Well do we?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 07:56 PM
8

No, I am talking about how women are a political subject with political power to shape both culture, politics, and law specifically to exclusively help women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 07:39 PM
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"If you want to address people's grievances, you must first address the root causes. When women make provocative statements about men, these must be understood within the context of patriarchal standards and constraints that oppress women." Or, rather it can be understood in the context of it allowing them to perpetuate female political power in our systems and shut down legitimate male grievances from the political arena in a particularly nasty way
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 06:38 PM
9

All the rich are men? Women already hold 50% more personal wealth in the US and are expected to hit DOUBLE the personal wealth of men within 10 years. Women are MUCH richer than men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 11:18 AM
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You almost always have to fight fire with fire for a a while until the other side understands why that is a problem. If you never do they will continue to push forever. As we can see with the feminist movement btw
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 10:56 AM
4

No, of course not? The world very much belies that notion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 10:47 AM
5

The thing that is the most enraging is that circumcision done on boys are much more damaging than circumcision done on girl. The most common form of circumcision done on girls is pricking, drawing a little blood but not cutting anything. The most common form done on boys is full on mutilation. Feminists who don't recognize this are probably the worst feminists out there
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 10:45 AM
9

I would even expand on that. Good men often protect a women children against other women trying to kill them in traditional societies. They aren't primarily protecting women against other men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 10:41 AM
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This really is a succinct description of what being a man is. The shock is likely all the much more ... shocking since you weren't trained to handle for this all your childhood the ways most boys are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 10:31 AM
10

If you pass convincingly and still experience it as an active oppression it might not have all that much to do with you having transitioned and more to do with you being assumed to be male. Transandrophobia really has to be seen as the oppression that comes from the intersection itself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 10:27 AM
12

In a strange way it feels like 'I want to be a man' 'No, not like that'
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 10:18 AM
7

"Men are seen as more logical and rational which means they have higher chances to be hired in STEM positions. This is benevolent sexism towards men because it assumes that men are inherently gifted with superior logical reasoning and puts pressure on them to act unemotional even if they're not." Except of course that women have an *Astronomically* higher chance of being hired in STEM fields with similar credentials. It's not even close to the point where you can assume a women in the field is j…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 10:00 AM
0

It's not women in movements, it women as a political subject, a political group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 11:06 PM
1

Perhaps, perhaps not. I wouldn't underestimate women as a political force anywhere tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 06:10 PM
3

The CIA has done a lot of problematic things but they aren't this all powerful organization manipulating world events on their own. Feminism is a LOT older than the CIA and hasn't changed its views all that much. A lot of what we today view as problematic feminist tropes were created in the 19th century, some of it very early in the 19th century
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:04 PM
3

Well, they don't seem to give a shit about criticism of men so it seems extremely hypocritical for this to be the reason
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:02 PM
10

This hits hard
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:02 PM
8

Always was, always was
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 04:07 AM
1

It depends, if done to promote a specific disadvantaged group, often defined by law, it is legal in a lot of places. Straight up cutting salaries like they did here are rarely legal
/r/EverydayMisandry19/12/25 05:10 AM
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Depends on country ofc but in a lot of western countries this is completely legal. Just that you can't cut the salary, you just don't give them any rises until the pay catches up
/r/EverydayMisandry19/12/25 03:37 AM
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Funny how that works
/r/EverydayMisandry19/12/25 03:36 AM
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I mean the "romance" genre is basically about women being mistreated but it's OK because the guy has super high social status or super featured physical characteristics. She is straight up lying
/r/EverydayMisandry15/12/25 06:30 AM
0

Yes I made the claim that it was surprisingly hard to find examples of hostile sexism against women. That is true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 10:11 PM
1

Give me five examples
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 08:32 PM
5

"Men are seen as more logical and rational which means they have higher chances to be hired in STEM positions. This is hostile sexism towards women because it denies them access to STEM positions if men get hired purely based on the assumption that they make better rational problem solvers" I mean sure but we know this is reversed in reality so perhaps there is a better example? My point is really that it is hard to find examples of hostile sexism against women in the real world today and most o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 01:57 PM
15

Genocide vs subjugation. Which one is worse?
/r/EverydayMisandry17/11/25 02:00 AM
6

Men don't have all that much in-group bias. All research on the other hand show that women do in fact not just have more in-group bias than men but massively so. So there is that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 10:56 PM
7

So the feminist movement is much older than that and has been at least as extreme if not substantially more so in the past. I don't know, maybe I'm just older at this point but the feminism I see today seems less toxic than it used to be and I also don't see as many high profile academic feminists being as ultra toxic as they used to be but lets get back to that later. The thing is that feminism has massive, all encompassing institutional support that transcends just governmental levels and exte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 03:56 PM
9

True but the hard core manosphere doesn't have any institutional power. That makes a huge difference
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 02:22 PM
9

A huge proportion of men were excluded from voting. A government with a council of nobles voting isn't a democracy. But idk, perhaps you are right and Britain has been a Matriarchy for the last half millennium. They have been ruled by queens after all
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 02:20 PM
8

No, only men that owned property could vote in 1867. Not men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 01:34 PM
10

There never was. There really never was. It was called the women's movement for a reason
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 12:54 PM
7

I think they captured most of the left a long time ago. Once feminism was let into the left it co-opted it from the inside. Feminism used to be neither left nor right for a long time before that so this idea that feminism was always left wing isn't exactly true
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 12:53 PM
6

As for Brene Brown and Bell Hooks specifically, I have never seen either of them retract anything they have written about men. Brene Brown has been involved in plagiarism scandals and things like that and the retractions have been due to that but Bell Hooks hasn't, as far as I have seen, ever retracted anything at all. Idk, maybe I'm wrong but I haven't seen it. Please link it if you have a link to it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 12:51 PM
6

Looking at this list, it seems as if men and women got the vote at the same time in Canada https://electionsanddemocracy.ca/voting-rights-through-time-0/brief-history-federal-voting-rights-canada
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 10:43 AM
8

Yes, it was absolutely a thing in the 1750s. Not so much in the colonies but in Europe feminism was raging during that period. Books and pamphlets were written, activism was done and a lot of it was terrible. You can also easily see feminists from the 1800s calling men more or less the exact same things we hear today. As for voting rights for women, when could all men vote no matter property rights and military service? Was that before or after all women could vote?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 10:41 AM
19

Individual members have done that before but the larger movement itself has been an absolute monolith on this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 03:15 AM
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"Misandry has become fashionable." When did this happen exactly? The 1960s? The 1910s? The 1850s? The 1750s? This has been a plague since the women's movement started. Feminist literature is full of this, speeches are full of this, newspapers were full of this and now it's on the internet. The medium changes. The message stays the same
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 02:38 AM
2

It is completely pointless. As soon as the draft is needed it will be reinstated immediately. Likewise, having women draft seems to be almost equally pointless since the segmentation basically just leads to a heavy gender imbalance in favour of female officers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/25 09:54 AM
1

I kind of wonder if this doesn't actually tell us something about the underlying aspects of women and men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 04:14 AM
50

This sounds extremely reasonable. Good luck with that though, giving men increased reproductive rights will make the lives of women, however small and for however small a group of women, slightly harder. I can't see this realistically happening
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 11:24 AM
1

If the "left" is utopia and the "right" is the mundane then that is where you should begin
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 09:47 PM
5

Depends on what you mean by left and right. There are no hard left countries where being disabled has been fine but plenty of countries that are mostly center right where it has been fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 08:10 AM
2

It's even worse I think. I have never seen a serious feminist thinker ever mention that feminism would or should be for men. That is wholly made up as a political statement post hoc
/r/EverydayMisandry12/10/25 03:19 PM
6

Sure but the question was "someone asks why men don’t like feminism". By asking them what feminism has done for men you reduce the ability for them to motte-and-bailey themselves out of it by saying that "feminism is for men as well"
/r/EverydayMisandry10/10/25 09:37 AM
9

You could also ask them in what way has feminism made mens lives better? In practical concrete terms.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/10/25 08:41 AM
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Society is PARTIALLY like this because of our genes but it wouldn't be the first time in human history men got together and said that the society doesn't work very well for us and we have to make it better. It can be done
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 12:01 PM
1

You mean like women haters hate women as a social class, not as a population?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 05:56 PM
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Why wouldn't it? Men aren't responsible
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 10:49 PM
4

So it is men then. You won't get away with this Motte-and-bailey tactic anymore
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 10:43 PM
4

Why would you insist on calling it a patriarchy if it doesn't have to do with men? Why not, in fact, call it a matriarchy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 10:41 PM
4

Many but not all
/r/EverydayMisandry25/09/25 07:19 AM
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It does
/r/EverydayMisandry25/09/25 07:18 AM
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That would be the matriarchy, not the patriarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 07:18 AM
5

So lets call it the matriarchy and work from there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 07:14 AM
2

So, once again, lets call it the matriarchy instead
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 07:14 AM
5

Ok, so lets call it the matriarchy going forward then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 07:13 AM
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They are not body shaming them, they are saying that they don't see them as human. I think the potato could have been basically anything
/r/EverydayMisandry24/09/25 10:31 PM
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One question we must be brave enough to ask in leftist spaces is "what policies that specifically benefit men are we willing to champion? Not policies that help men as well as others but policies that are designed to help specifically" As long as we can't do that leftist spaces aren't being very productive for men as a group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 12:36 AM
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So, if it has nothing to do with men, why not call it a matriarchy? Since they are talking about issues that affect men wouldn't that be a good faith start from them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 12:02 AM
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Well, that is why you should have qualifiers. If they don't directly or indirectly reference men as being their own problem then, even if they may miss the mark, they are trying to help. Someone who references men as the source of their problems very deliberately limits the scope of solutions to something that isn't going to help men. Lets zoom out for a second, there is no way that any feminist would accept a man trying to help if he first framed all the problems women face as something that wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/25 11:56 PM
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As long as they don't assume it's "the patriarchy" or "mens fault" it's fine and there are plenty of women doing that. We don't have to entertain those with bad intentions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 10:05 PM
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I like that you have hope But I'll say this, I base my assumptions on a lot of experience with a large amount of people who are feminists. It very rarely misses. (As for the some women, very few of those women would go to patriarchy or "men" to blame for mens problems)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 06:03 PM
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Patriarchy is basically always a stand in for "men in plural" among most feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 05:59 PM
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It's actually much more simple than it looks most of the time. If they talk about something that affects men look at what their explanation for the phenomena is. If it is something along the lines of "it's the patriarchy" (which is men), men aren't X or something else that points the finger at men you know what they want. Their primary motivation is to neutralize the talking point at bests and use it to attack men at worst. It has never not been a red flag
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 12:42 PM
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It doesn't work. Women being drafted usually means they get to become officers at an elevated paces and are excluded from arduous conditions that boys face. In many cases increasing the work load for the boys because of the girls. The whole situation is terrible
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 09:10 AM
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"I also worked at a mental health clinic here and they would regularly joke about the suicidal men they saw afterwards, saying "You're privileged, you'll get over it."" And they wonder why men don't seek mental help. I mean, do you think they get good help in the sessions? That it is actually helpful? Because I'm pretty sure it isn't and I also think this is connected to why female therapists more and more often don't want to take male patients that are suicidal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:54 AM
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The wildest of takes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:48 AM
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Also, the trans exclusionary feminism is from the 70s and 60s... They are the ones that wrote all the books on feminism to begin with
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:45 AM
1

There were other phrases that had been in small nooks and crannies of the feminist movement that had leaked to mainstream media. It's just that we accept it as a part of society today. Mansplaining and manspreading will be the same unless feminism as an ideological movement isn't dismantled. Look at something like "mens violence against women" That was just a kooky feminist phrase. Then it spread to media, then it spread to institutions and finally into legislation. Non of this is new
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:44 AM
1

However, Sabrina Carpenter only markets her sexuality to other women. Men seem utterly uninterested in that kind of sexual expression. Idk, it seems like the Tom of Finland version of female sexuality more than anything else just like 50 shades of gray and similar sexual depictions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:33 AM
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Don't underestimate the massive overlap between the puritans and feminists as well. Sex positive feminism has sex positive appended for a reason and it is very much not the most popular branch of feminism. In fact, sex positive feminism is kind of a new thing as well. It really didn't exist in any popular form until the 2010s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:30 AM
1

Also look at what media is actually over sexualised. Media aimed at men have a very narrow sexualisation but media aimed at women on the other hand has historically been extremely sexualised. We often see the narrative that looks something like "if this is how sexualised media aimed at women is, imagine how bad it must be in media aimed at men"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:28 AM
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We really, really should. He often sounds way worse than Scott Galloway
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 08:20 AM
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Without looking at the date right now it started somewhere around late 50s early 60s. The non black population are catching up with the black populations fatherlessness while the black populations fatherlessness has stabilised and even slightly improved the last few years as far as I remember. As for why, partially it seems to be due to marriage rates but that is likely mainly a symptom and not the main reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/25 08:25 PM
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Yes, the black community in the US has changed quiet dramatically during the last century and some of the endemic problems that people associate with the black community in the US are actually problems that haven't always been part of that community. Something like fatherlessness wasn't nearly as prevalent in the black community as it is today and there are other cultural shifts as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/25 06:05 PM
2

It's interesting but it is not what toxic masculinity, in an academic sense from the anthropological origins, actually means. This sounds like something that was derived and adapted from the original meaning. That said, this is what you were taught and the meaning of it that your learned. From there, I guess, it has spread out into the general consciousness taking on its own life and meaning(s)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/25 06:03 PM
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Note that my comment was about how beauty standards are extremely important for men, not that they are unimportant for women. However, the discourse focuses exclusively on women and when men are mentioned it becomes very threatening for feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/25 08:17 AM
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I... Don't know if I agree Toxic Masculinity is weaponised academic research, not a sentiment. The power dynamics at play are very different. Then again, we have to remember that toxic masculinity is, from an academic stand point, about situations where men, due to war, disaster or some other event, become absent in the lives of boys to the point where boys aren't socialised by men in that society anymore. I wonder if toxic masculinity isn't actually an apt description of what we are seeing toda…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/25 08:11 AM
3

So like men then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 11:55 PM
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Dating wise it is easier to overcome those limitations by being socially very successful for a man than a it is for a women. Not the socially successful part, it isn't straight up about money but rather social power that is the important factor. Also, age is very difficult to over come for women after a certain point. That being said, to over come that as a man you have to be a significant outlier in social status. Balding, fat, out of shape men no matter the age are rarely successful even with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 02:57 PM
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This "looks" part is HEAVILY overblown. Women are assumed to show up looking good to dates. So are men. Going on dates looking like a slob won't get you anywhere. It doesn't end there either, in many workplaces, especially careers looking good is paramount to success for men. You are not going to show up looking like a slob in most places like that either. Nor can you be fat or untrained. It's just the reality out there
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 09:51 AM
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It will take time, decades possibly but we have seen the same thing happen with slurs for homosexuals in several languages as well. It can be done
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 12:51 PM
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So, this is probably not as bad as it seems. The manosphere is really effectively the sphere on the internet talking about men as men. It's baked into the word and a much more effective strategy is to embrace the term and neutralize it. Once that happens, if they want to complain about something specific they will have to name that specific thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/25 11:27 PM
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In both cases that is true, yes. We can see the same in Russia today and also in both the early and the later Zionist movements where it may have been perfected in some ways. It's a fabulous political technology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/25 12:58 PM
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There are few things as powerful as being more competent and oppressed at the same time. Being chosen and being hated for it, being smarter but being held down etc. Feminists do this all the time, it's baked in the cake since centuries by now but they aren't the only group that does this. It's just one of the most powerful frame you can have to make change happen for your group. I used to be very annoyed by this but over time I have just accepted that this is the most advanced psychosocial techn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/25 07:37 AM
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There ARE issues where feminists would have to compromise with mens rights advocates and them blocking mens rights movements either by trying to fake that they care about those issues, by gaslighting men that it's their own fault these issues exist or by actively trying to destroy and counteract any mens rights movements helps them avoid having to compromise on issues that are important to men. It makes a lot of sense actually why feminism and feminists would act in this way
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/25 07:58 PM
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I agree with you but we really have to broaden the definition of and reclaim men's rights advocate and not, in some bizarre linguistic acrobatics claim that men's rights advocates don't work with men's rights advocacy. Feminism won by accepting ALL of its fringes just as the left used to do. We also have to understand that a lot of the activism these people have done over the years isn't hurtful. It is on point while coming from a place of pain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/25 09:10 AM
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The threat of violence against men is significantly higher than that of women. We just care about violence against women but not against men. It's not the same thing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 01:13 PM
6

As we have seen, the lack of gender segregation harms young men more than young women and where it would harm women gender segregation is allowed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 01:12 PM
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The only alternative seems to be to either fake being a women, something that has been done a few time not just in Spain, or self publish.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/25 09:14 PM
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When women came to dominate the publishing business the first thing they did was basically to kill all books written for men and boys. After that reading among young men fell off a cliff. I can't hope more for the salaries in the publishing business to take a similar dive off the edge of the cliff tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/25 07:40 AM
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As for "it's just feminism today that is the problem, feminism used to be good" Remember that many of these quotes are at least 60 years old and some are more than 150 years old. Feminism was ALWAYS like this. It was NEVER anything else and has never aspired to be anything else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/25 08:59 AM
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Considering how much nerve tissue that is destroyed in the process it is, as you said, not very surprising
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/25 09:09 PM
5

They are just, objectively wrong. I would ask myself why they say that, are they literal Russian influence operation operatives or is there some other insane reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/25 03:47 PM
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So, lets be honest here. We are talking about conscription in Russia. This has been a problem for centuries and it is not a recent problem. It is an army structure that regularly uses rape as disciplinary actions against conscripts and soldiers, throw soldiers that are considered to tattle to superiors in pits to be urinated on and soldiers that are seen to refuse orders are starved and forced to fight other order breakers to death. This article is truly the tip of the iceberg in this case and i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/25 12:33 PM
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I agree and this does come off as massive amounts of gaslighting or Motte-and-Baileying
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:13 AM
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This very mich jives with my experiences as well. It is at least as bad and sometimes worse tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:11 AM
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Idk, I have net a lot of these people in real life as well and many of them are from academic women's study spaces. It seems to me that is more likely to be the default feminism than anything else
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:09 AM
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The Incel part is where he talks about women not being attracted to him and pointing to a source outside of him. This seems to be the defining line today
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 07:48 AM
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Perhaps the state should mandate pregnancies then. We ARE having too few children in the west so now would be the time just like when we are in war conscription is at its most important. That makes the argument equal as well
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/25 10:15 AM
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Well, just say that women should be obligate to carry children with penalties under the law for not doing that and you have an equal argument
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/25 10:13 AM
2

The left will have enough people that there will be no incentives not to triple down. They will have most women of all categories and enough men from minority groups that consider "race" to be more important than gender that it's basically unproblematic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/25 09:48 AM
3

It's interesting, I have actually never met a women who, in private believes this feminists included, but in public they have used the same argument. It's interesting actually. It basically amounts to some kind of gas lighting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:13 AM
3

Perhaps the historical presence of men to put a stop to it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:12 AM
1

We know, for a fact, that female leaders enter more offensive wars than male leader so not only is this untrue, it seems to be the other way around. More male leaders reduce the risk they launch offensive wars against others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:09 AM
2

The problem is that modern feminism is much better than older feminism in this regard. It literally used to be way worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 10:07 PM
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Even just looking at the thumbnail, someone like "Asmongold" doesn't ever claim to be "helping" men or even be on the side of men. The dude just comments on stuff and more men than women find him entertaining. If this is our bar for "helping men" we are truly in dire straits.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 07:17 PM
2

Read some feminist thinkers, not just a random definition. Mary Daly is a good and interesting author, Brownmiller and Dworkin are likewise influential figures in the feminist movement and you see regular references to them when laws are made regarding gender in many countries. There are a whole host of other authors as well that are interesting and some that do come up from time tot time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 11:29 AM
2

The problem is that academical feminism whole heartedly support this. It's not about a few bad feminists but rather that this is the theoretical basis of the feminist ideology itself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 05:34 PM
4

This is a good summery of the situation we face
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 05:33 PM
4

The socialism if feminist was mostly entryism and not something that is actually part of feminist thought. Feminism isn't right wing or "conservative" either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 04:41 PM
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No, they were always like this. Nothing much changed, just the surface level arguments got updated so they remain effective
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 04:40 PM
2

No, at best traditionalism can balance the extra sacrifices men make with less burdens in other areas but that is a fragile deal as we have seen in the west the last 100 years or so where the benefits have eroded but the same force that eroded them has actively resisted removing the added burdens on men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 10:46 AM
1

Sure but that is a different subject. The point is that feminist societies aren't good for men either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 08:35 AM
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Kind of but there are two things that stand out. The pro-woman laws and institutions go very deep and are very effective. Secondly, this disproves the idea that more feminist societies are better for men due to them being more feminist and less patriarchal and so the "patriarchy hurts men too" line is harder to run with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 11:30 PM
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As someone living in one of those countries, let me tell you that it is not, in any way, an ideal society to live in from a male point of view. At all. Every single issue is, often but not always, based on how it affects women no matter how it affects men and that is something that adds up over time. The societies are well ordered etc and those things help both men and women but the quality of life, especially for men, has gone down over time drastically. As an example, there have been schools w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 11:14 AM
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It always was and it has been very clear with what it is since the inception.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/25 08:30 AM
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That has always been a deeply minority view among feminists, especially academic feminists. Ironically, it is much more common among women who identify themselves as feminists but haven't actually read any feminist theory at all
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/25 08:29 AM
4

"Because Feminists secretly don't want women to lose their benefits" I don't even know what that means to be honest. Most feminists are quite open with them wanting to keep female privileges. It's just that they don't want to use the word privilege but they don't deny those are advantages women have over men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 10:06 AM
1

Yes, exactly this. Civilisation and removal of tournament mating are what controlled female sexuality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/25 07:07 PM
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I think I'll give the old feminist scholars one point though. Men created civilisation to control women's sexuality. There is some bearing to that imo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 01:38 PM
0

It is worth remembering that toxic masculinity means boys that grow up in communities without men and don't have a direction from older men how to develop their masculinity. In fact, when the term started being used by wider feminism it wasn't as accurate as it is now looking at how many boys grow up without male role models.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 01:31 PM
2

There are few things out there that scare both the feminists and those in power more than men becoming a political subject in the correct definition of the word. It would reshape the political landscape to a massive degree and no one is willing to even contemplate the idea. Imagine for a second if in every election all candidates had to show which policies would benefit men, how they would support men and how men were an important demographic to cater to. The policies could not be anything like …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 11:44 PM
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It always was mate, it always was
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/25 11:47 AM
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Feminism is a movement for women, was always a movement for women and will always be a movement for women. It's called the womens movement for a reason. When feminists say that "equality will benefit men as well" etc it's mostly a strategy to try to keep mens issues off the agenda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/25 11:47 AM
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