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So what I gathered from your comment is that because you've been single your whole life, and not by choice, you feel wholly undesirable as a person, even outside of romantic/sexual contexts. And you feel these effects in your non-romantic social life as well in the form of social isolation. Did I understand that correctly? Yes, thank you. That's a good faith summary of how I feel, honest engagement in spaces like this is pretty rare. I know I'm not the only man who feels like this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:01 AM
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Think carefully about the differences between your circumstances and mine. A year out from relationships is probably not bad. Never having them is another story. For the sexual element, if you want to have sex, you can go and have that quite easily - I am not judging, just keeping it factual. But MY desire to have sex on the other hand, because it's unwanted, is akin to sexual harassment if I ever were to act on it. I've never been out on a date or had any enjoyable romantic experiences. Nor hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:41 AM
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I have observed that you've left two comments, one criticizing women for only considering a tiny fraction of men datable, and the other calling men stupid for not understanding why women only considering a tiny fraction of men datable is perfectly ok. And you know what, I appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:56 PM
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Yes, somewhat. I've dialed it up a little to make the contrast more obvious but that's the right idea. The main observation that a lot of men have made is that unrealistic beauty standards for women have been a frequent talking point that has had a mainstream media impact. Now, women fixating on above 6 ft (supported by dating app data) men who make far higher income than average seems definitionally unrealistic since only a small % of men can meet those requirements. It's my opinion that in a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:56 AM
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Option 1: Turn the temperature down. Far greater regulation on dating apps. More visibility and activism about what an average man looks like - this mimics what feminists did in the 2000s to 2010s. The ladder got pulled up as soon as men started talking about societal beauty standards. Either the 2010s howling about unfair beauty standards for women isnt social policing (hence this isnt either) or it is and the correct option is... Option 2: Boil it. It may be that beauty standards are unrealist…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:56 PM
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The main issue with the question is that this isn't a choice. But just so I'm not giving a non-answer, I'll expand on this. The advice given is "focus on yourself and build yourself up if relationships won't come". I am somebody who fits that description. Re the "giving up" story - my high school experience of a social life was all around miserable. I had more typed out but because I'm aware mods like to delete woe is me content :) I'll just say I engaged in a lot of prosocial behaviors and was …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:37 PM
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My point is we're seeing collapses even in monogamous dating structures which presumably women are more interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:03 PM
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I have no doubt that social media has seriously exacerbated this problem: It's simply a numbers problem that's causing this failure. People try and nitpick the 80/20 rule but at any given social event the vast majority of the women will be laser fixated on a small portion of the men. To state the obvious, these aren't ratios that can pair up. What this means is that there are plenty of women only chasing after the most desirable men but they won't be able to outcompete other women to get them. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:42 PM
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Sorry, some common tropes and narratives my ideology frequently leans on have been highlighted and criticized, so suddenly my memory has been wiped of any context this thread might have. I literally have no idea what you're talking about. It's not fault I have my head bashed in and get a concussion every time a blue pill narrative comes under scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:37 PM
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It's flu season. I wash my hands incredibly frequently and thoroughly, it's one of the first things I do every time I get back home. I carry a bottle of hand sanitizer with me everywhere I go, use it incredibly often, and always use it immediately after getting off from public transport. I've gotten sick multiple times in the last few months and it hasn't subsided quickly. I have a lot of work to do at the moment which makes this incredibly distressing. This is my vent comment for today.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:31 AM
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Well, he highlighted something I have noticed too. It's the change in tone between talking about their dating experiences in most other contexts VS specifically arguing with men talking about some variation of male loneliness. Reminiscing about fun dating and sexual experiences is mutually exclusive with the "actually for western women in developed countries, dating is a horror story" energy that comes out in the latter scenario. It's quite a switch up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:33 AM
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This matches my own observations completely. I've spotted that people actually love gender wars, but only when they feel like they're winning them. And what this means is they'll end up seeking out hugbox spaces in order to provide this excessive validation and sense of "winning" the gender war. It's very rare to find a person who wants to have a gender war discussion on an equal footing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:08 AM
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You are literally the only person in this entire thread who kept insisting on bringing up serial killers and felons. The halo effect means identical behaviors will be perceived differently depending on how good looking you are, NOT that sufficiently good looking people can get away with felonies without any social judgment. "Halo effect must mean good looking people can literally get away with murder" is not a reasonable bar to clear and it's completely irrelevant to the role looks play in an av…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:43 PM
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Yes. https://www.tiktok.com/@ok.jo.anna/video/7407862822891293998 That's one example that I remember off the top of my head. I gotta give props to this woman for actually trying it and being honest enough to post about her experiences being "Pete". Before somebody else replies nitpicking, the other experiments I've seen all end similarly. But the women who are genuinely willing to think about what it would be like to be a man aren't the ones hurling insults around every time the topic of lonely …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:52 PM
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"However, these biases disappear when impressions are based on conversational content lacking audio-visual cues, suggesting that style, not substance, drives negative impressions of ASD." It's literally in the very next sentence. It isn't what is done, it's doing something while autistic that causes the negative impression. Not antisocial behavior as you keep asserting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:10 PM
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Ok, one more time, from the top. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28145411/ Autistic people receive negative thin slice social judgements. "These patterns are remarkably robust, occur within seconds, do not change with increased exposure, and persist across both child and adult age groups", or in other words, occur without them having to do anything. The assertion that autistic men are treated worse as a result of them having engaged in antisocial behavior is completely defeated by the actual sci…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:42 PM
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Oh I guess autistic men are just guilty by association then. And, to be clear, none of my comments are strawmen. Because when you push prejudice against a group as a whole like this, ALL the members of that group suffer, regardless of whether they did anything wrong or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:33 AM
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That "someone else" would be Lillith. Who keeps making the assumption that autistic men engage in antisocial behavior and that is the main reason they are viewed unfavorably. But making this link between autistic man and vile neckbeard only proves my point about the prejudice. You have this fantasy constructed where women all mask well and THAT'S why they're treated better. But I've seen autistic women's mask slip. When that happens, they are still treated far better than the men who display onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:31 AM
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It's in your post title, you run with this assumption of "a lot" then never stop to consider how an autistic man who doesnt engage in highly antisocial behavior might face prejudice. Facing prejudice without prior bad behavior would completely shut down your post hence why you leave it out. It's obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills what you're doing, get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:28 AM
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You've just set up a strawman argument of "autism should be used as an excuse for bad behavior" then engaged with that. That argument was never present in my post. But by doing so, you keep making the assumption that all autistic men are guilty of highly anti social behavior. Which demonstrates the exact issue I highlighted in my first comment first paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:56 AM
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Yes, that's right, autistic boys are well known to not be bullied as young children nor suffer any other negative social consequences as a result of their neurodiversity
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:19 AM
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So you've described autistic men as unpleasant neckbeards who lack empathy in the title and first paragraph. I'm sure all the blue pillers who profess to care so much about social justice will simply be rushing in here to point out the numerous problems. Wait nevermind The second paragraph has an obvious problem. This group that we KNOW is a magnet for bullying and suffers an incredible amount of social exclusion? Yeah the problem is that society coddles autistic men too much, clearly. There's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:26 AM
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Very vindicating for the criticisms I've made of feminism. https://www.tiktok.com/@healthygamer.gg/video/7596412752604695828?lang=en Recently, Dr K appeared on Steven Bartlett's Diary of a CEO podcast and made comments about societal intervention to help men. Feminists on tiktok honed in on a very specific quote of his, purposefully misinterpreted it to have the worst possible meaning, attempting to defame him and shut down a conversation about male mental health in the process. Now, I've been a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:47 PM
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Yes, I am telling you that a large amount of effort has been exerted into criticizing and mocking men who feel left out because they can't get a relationship. This isn't something peripheral. The core sentiment would generate outrage if expressed by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:54 PM
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Poking fun at another group has always been the norm in comedy and he was never close to being mean-spirited. Comedy would instantly grind to a halt if people took issue with this. Ordering and paying for food in a restaurant means you are entitled to be served. The underlying theme that runs through the whole tiktok is that she should be served food, or in other words should be given a relationship. This sentiment would be heavily criticized if expressed by a man, not least of all because it fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:14 PM
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No. That clip is very different from the tiktok I linked. 1) There's humor and that's the primary focus. There's, at best, minimal humor in the tiktok I linked. He's looking to make the audience laugh, she's looking for sympathy. 2) He never implies he deserves anything. She does. The purpose, tone, and focus of those two clips are entirely different. A more apt comparison would be Dr K's appearance on Diary of a CEO where he talked about isolated men and the response from social media was to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:44 PM
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Nah. I've watched men get absolutely dragged for saying much less when talking about isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:16 PM
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One of the points that I've brought up frequently here is that we interpret women's complaints about dating far more favorably than we do men's, even if they said something that a man would come under heavy criticism for. This tiktok came across my fyp recently and I think it's an excellent example of this. I would invite you all to consider how feminist tiktok would react if a man were to say that being single into your 30s is like ordering food at a restaurant and having the waiters not bring …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:26 PM
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Hi, good to have a message from you again and I hope you're well 😀 I've been posting on here way less but I'm still lurking. Unfortunately it's difficult to justify taking the time to engage with a lot of the content I see posted here now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:15 PM
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Re the following: Less open to the POV of others, Win at all costs “rules for thee, not for me", Ruthlessness, Discompassionate I would argue these aren't conservative leaning at all. Liberal spaces invariably end up having heavy censorship and have a lot of purity tests, which definitionally means they're less open to the PoV of others. At the very top, ie governmental level, I won't argue against Trump being more ruthless than Kamala Harris. But I don't interact with people at that level, I in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:08 PM
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She's in her early 20s too, genuinely HOW do you even get to that weight
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:14 PM
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I'm aware of the goomba fallacy. If a group has zero observable in-fighting over this opinion AND the two contradictory opinions when applied together would conveniently let the group have its cake and eat it too then the goomba fallacy isn't applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:27 PM
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You wouldn't want to join a group that thinks you have zero social skills or empathy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:41 PM
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This doesn't refute any of the points I made. Building community is a collective effort and requires the ability to welcome men. Radical ideological spaces have put in a lot of effort to make themselves appealing to socially isolated men. Moderate spaces have been astonishingly lazy in this regard and we can already see the results of this play out. I'm just being pragmatic. You might feel that men should just fix it all themselves, but the manosphere is already heavily involved in the conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:26 PM
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No. Both men and women are far warmer to women socially. This isn't something cisgender women are constantly made aware of but it is very obvious to men. As evidence of this, trans men often say they have a really hard time adjusting to people being far colder to them when meeting for the first time. Now, there are good reasons why people are more cautious with men but you need to accept that this is an obstacle men have to deal with that women don't have to. It makes perfect sense why men would…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:32 PM
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At a certain point you have to admit some guys aren't going to be the "hook up guy" in any case though, extrovert or introvert. It's true that personality impacts outcomes, but experiences shape personality. Somebody who gets invited places, and has people eager to make connections with them is obviously going to find socializing more rewarding than somebody who has the opposite experience. If you set up an experiment where Group A attended a party with women who were receptive to their advances…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:30 AM
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We're much better in how we talk to men about preferences and standards. Yes, you can go for whoever you want. But when an unattractive man wants to exclusively date the most beautiful women, sooner or later somebody usually pulls him aside and tells him "Listen bud, you've got to be more realistic, it isn't happening". He gets confronted with the fact that these women are either not interested or only responding to him when they want some kind of favor. The problem is very apparent. We're watch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:21 PM
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Yeah, this is fair. If the son was guaranteed to be all 3 of handsome, athletic, and neurotypical then I'm less concerned about gender. But obviously none of these things are guaranteed and we are very unkind to men who aren't at least 2/3.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:01 AM
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I'm fine with being male. I'm comfortable with who I am. Now, having said that, if somebody I cared about was having a child, in order for that child to have the best possible life I would hope they'd have a daughter. Just for the greater social inclusion and support shown to women alone, I think it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:39 AM
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An incredibly prescient blog post, I remember reading it for the first time and feeling like he'd figured something out that very few people are able to put into words accurately. He essentially predicted a manosphere content boom right before it happened, clearly pointed to behavior that poured gasoline on the fire, explained exactly the problem with that behavior, and predicted an anti feminist backlash from young men. And the crazy thing is people will still play dumb about it, when Scott Ale…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:11 AM
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I think complaining about broke men has gotta be in there. Wealthy people have their own social circles, and don't have difficulty meeting other wealthy people. Which means I can only interpret it as "I need a man to earn enough for both of us".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:01 PM
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The men that women chase after are vetting them. The winners are coupling up with other winners. Two highly paid corporate jobs are better than one and because women are now present at elite institutions and companies they pair off with the men there. My point is that high standards can only come from winners. The dating scene at the average level is that average women have most of the power, but highly desirable men pair off quickly with highly desirable women. If you don't run in the race, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:41 PM
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Much of your post focuses of division of chores. I think this is a drop in the bucket of what makes a relationship work and it can be fixed just with a decent conversation. When I was back in college, people weren't doing their chores and the accommodation we were staying in told us that our flat's kitchen was kinda messy. We then got together, drew up a rota for who did what on which day, and had basically zero problems for the rest of the year. So there was a problem and one meeting went about…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:13 PM
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As far as -pillers go I think I am more moderate than most. Even so, I'm still fucked. The more prestigious white collar jobs don't want you to have a big social media presence at all. Even "Day in the life of a [insert name of large bank/law firm/tech company] trainee" style content gets them bothered. I will say, I think that's fair on their end, because they don't want people acting like a clown on social media with their name attached. In any case, the smaller your digital footprint the bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:47 PM
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I'd forgotten how quickly colds spread around at this time of year. Yuck
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:20 PM
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Yes. It's not because of the experience itself, it's because it's better to learn and make minor mistakes while you're young and there's almost zero consequence. It's also because men get hit with the stigma of being a virgin damn early and it's better to not be in that position. My first week in college one of my flatmates made a point of asking the others whether they'd dated/had sex before, and while I didn't think much of it at the time, she was definitely trying to figure out social status.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:46 PM
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Women having greater safety concerns re dating is a fair point. "most guys not having much grace for fat women" is not a good point though since being fat is a result of lifestyle choices and men get judged on a whole range of traits we're just stuck with permanently. It's really not a big deal to eat healthier and go jogging occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:03 PM
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The passport bro topic does interest me. I'm not in agreement with all the talking points but one thing I will say is that the weight issue has become really obvious in the West. People are really heavy and still in their 20s now, when that's the age it's easiest to stay slim at. This issue isn't nearly as widespread in most places abroad, even in many developed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:32 PM
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My parents. I've had to deal with a lot of rough breaks socially and despite getting into and graduating from a good university the rest of the world has tried its hardest to leave me up the creek without a paddle. I decided to get some more qualifications and made some real progress this last year, which was only possible because they believed in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:48 PM
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Aside from the obvious, the implication that they must talk about sex is hilarious. Sex with their bf isn't interesting to talk about, but they're too sex obsessed to talk about the other infinity minus one topics that could be discussed, so they have to talk about sex they've had with other men instead. So much for it not being that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:57 PM
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I have also noticed this and agree with the sentiment that you can't defend everyone, but I think this is something that is foisted on men rather than voluntarily chosen. Frequently on this sub I will make a pro male point or see somebody else do so, then watch as another commenter cherry picks an example of somebody who's pretty much unsalvageable in response as though this somehow defeats the main point. Yeah there's a balance that needs to be met of standing up for the in-group but naturally …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:44 PM
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Way too much goodwill has been burned through at this point, and men have also seen how women talk about them when they're not around. The internet definitely highlights reasons why you need to have some in-group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:19 PM
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Even the oldest gen z have grown up with smartphones and social media being established before we even hit puberty, and dating apps and "hook up culture" already being normalized before the age of 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:31 PM
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They don't say this face to face, but you have to bear in mind there's some number of people who have these opinions but won't express them without anonymity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:25 AM
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This is kind of why going to places like Japan is such a shocking experience because despite it being a developed country, the vast majority of people there are slim. In the West it is appalling how many people are fat, even when they're still in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:13 AM
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It's a terrible situation really since we're all incredibly materialistic yet trying to get a decent wage from employers is like trying to get blood out of a stone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:08 AM
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Just got done with a rough set of exams last week, so I checked back in here and confirmed this place has somehow only gotten drier in content. Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:14 PM
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He looks like he is in his late 40s, that is what I'd guess with no context. But based on how you're asking us to guess his age I'm gonna assume he is younger and looks rough for his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:05 PM
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Well, yeah. When I was younger I tried to take the "sex isn't everything" approach, I found that sooner or later this ends up crashing and burning. No sex means no relationship, no starting a family, the list goes on. We can argue ad infinitum but its importance can never be trivialized. Sex is tougher to get for men than before social media. So because a portion of men can't get sex, and that portion is larger than it has been for a long time, they're going to get stuck on thinking about sex li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:17 PM
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I'm not saying things couldn't be better on this sub, but I also think it's in its end stages and it's going to grind down altogether sooner or later
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:55 AM
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Precisely. If anything I think it's better that guys now are generally (except this user, obviously) more willing to post that they're not okay and incredibly unhappy with their life, rather than being pushed into these sort of ridiculous mental gymnastics
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:38 AM
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When I read posts like this from that sub, almost without exception the user is screaming in agony on another sub about their loneliness and misery. Which is like, yeah.. I get it, but it's very bad to fish for validation from that sub's userbase. In this case he has his post history hidden, but I can see this account is incredibly inactive throughout the last few years and I can only find a few comments on posts on other subs that don't make up the entire post count by themselves. So I'm guessi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:08 AM
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Precisely, the strategy is more of a "Press any key to start" kind of situation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:02 AM
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The observations I'm making here are: Her main insecurity seems to be that she's fat. But nobody is forcing her to be fat, when you're young, the weight just melts off if you exercise. Not to mention that for Americans, "normal" actually means chubby, which means that "fat" actually means REALLY fat. The pathway to her not being the thing she didn't want to be was pretty clear (losing weight). She realizes that women hold all the cards in dating. Incels wouldn't disagree with her here. Notice ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:47 AM
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You know what, fair. I still think women act like they've been hit below the belt every time the topic comes up, whereas men much less so
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:54 PM
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They are genuinely eating their cake and having it too, at this point in time. Men's racial preferences still get criticized, and we all have to shut up and not say anything when women express theirs. I think it's legitimate to have racial preferences in dating... as long as you don't go full denialism under criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:14 PM
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I think the "who masks better" thing may be a bad train of thought since it's too collectivist - if you're a high masking autistic man, is it relevant to your behavior that there are more low functioning men than women who can't mask at all? The gender war between who masks better would suggest that it is. But evidently the reality is that the autism spectrum is massive and individuals can be very different in how high functioning they are. The root of the gripe that high functioning autistic me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:01 PM
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Yes, that's the point, nobody injected the word "toxic" into the conversation until you came along and assumed that socializing with neurodiverse people would be toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:29 AM
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Again, the fact that you're equating being neurodiverse to being toxic is emblematic of the problem. The "change" made to fix the OP's example is more verbal communication rather than non-verbal. That's it. Not exactly a Herculean task, then everyone is happier, INCLUDING the neurotypical people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:19 AM
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A group of very individualistic people are going to make for a shit time building a community though. Of course, being more community focussed in response just means the individualistic people reap the benefits. When you have a bunch of people who won't compromise on anything, no agreements get made, and they continue to just sit around lonely and miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:10 AM
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But that isn't what is being asked. The OP isn't asking anyone to act as a medical professional. He is pointing out that it is hypocritical to take the position of being pro mental health and neurodiversity awareness, which incidentally necessarily requires greater social acceptance, then proceed to intentionally kick neurodiverse men out of their social circle by punishing social awkwardness to a far greater extent than is necessary. For neurodiverse people, the final stage of grief, acceptance…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:55 PM
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Speculating that one group may have it easier than another group, is not the same as shitting on the former group
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 10:38 PM
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It really shows up on her face and it looks incredibly rough, she's slightly younger than I am but looks older. There's a racial element to this which means I'll tread carefully. As white people we have to be more careful out in the sun than other people do. We should also really start carrying umbrellas with us outside when it's sunny to shield from the suns rays. This whole activity of spending way too much time out in the sun, not lathering up in sunscreen despite needing to, and using tannin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:08 AM
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There's a lot of things that are done deliberately that aren't difficult to avoid though. Men's mental health is treated incredibly unseriously - young men are isolated and suffering, and people are comfortable mocking this and saying they don't give a fuck. It would've cost them nothing to not do this. Secondly, there are cultural shifts which have deliberately made the decision to stop men from benefitting from them. Questioning men's beauty standards for women is now the norm. Questioning wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:16 AM
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With regards to your first paragraph, a lot of rhetoric here doesn't focus on solving problems. It's about signalling status. Only being able to have sex if it is paid for, undeniably signals low status, hence why the posters here are against sex work. All cards on the table, I am seriously considering just buying sex, and disingenuous busybodies play no part in my decision. The relevant follow up question re sex trafficking concerns is whether they would still be against buying sex if it were c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:19 PM
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It does interest me what reddit chooses to hyperfixate on. I won't attempt to defend every "nice guy" reddit wants to put in the pillory for the day. However, it is undeniably true that being attractive is inversely correlated to how likely a person is to be called "entitled" or a "nice guy". We're not nearly as harsh on the demands and expectations of at least somewhat attractive people, even if they are also being totally unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:17 PM
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So to be clear, you commented that being a virgin is actually something to be ashamed of and that virgin shaming doesn't exist but also that women are right to judge men negatively because of it. You then watched as you got flooded with downvotes while the commenter you were responding to pointed out the obvious flaws in your argument with very little effort. You'd clearly lost the argument, and the average person on this sub saw your take as poorly reasoned. But because you're a manly man, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:20 PM
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So you made this thread because you were butthurt at a perceived social slight. Ok. That's not a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:11 PM
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Can we leave the virgins alone already? No, these posters absolutely need the punching bag, it's literally the main reason why they're here. Of course, the people who are manipulative and low in morality are likely not late virgins. These are the people a reasonable person would most want to stay away from. So the OP's "reasonable discernments" actually completely miss the whole point of filtering out others. But this isn't about being reasonable, it's about punching down and figuring out a way …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:09 PM
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1) Learn to type like an adult instead of a child having a sugar rush please. You have grammar and spell checkers, use them. 2) You might be "tired of every guy in this sub going around being like women are evil for not dating men or any other bs" but the cure to this is to close reddit. Nobody is forcing you to be here. 3) Women are indeed under a higher degree of risk than men are in the casual dating scene, fine, I accept this. You also have access to cheap contraception which you are welcome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:37 AM
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Yep, longterm loneliness is genuinely a killer, and the roughest part is that ultimately it's not a problem you can just solo grindset your way out of
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:57 PM
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Yeah I mean the men here have sat down, tried to explain very carefully what their loneliness feels like and how it can occur despite not being a bad person. The responses either don't get it or intentionally misinterpret things. Just better to accept they won't know what it's like at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:43 PM
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I was watching some instructional videos from the law course provider I'm studying at. The lady in the video pronounced the word "indictable" wrong. Similar to "In dickt able". I was actually furious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:58 PM
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Yeah I mean my plan is earn enough then geomaxx/passportbro to success. Best of luck, I think some countries are a lot more ok with late bloomers than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:19 PM
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For me, my close friends have stopped asking because they know I'm past the point of no return regarding normiedom. I'm not the only one like this either. At 27, I can confirm it never feels any better. But the panic of "I can still have a normal uni life if everything happens right now" that I had at 19 to 20 is long gone. Eventually people do stop asking but obviously they never stop judging.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:09 PM
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Exactly this. There's not a lot of other ways of explaining the difference between the "nobody is entitled to anything and it's sink or swim" attitude directed at beauty standards and gender expectations for men, while beauty standards and gender expectations for women are treated with the utmost seriousness and there's apparently a duty on society to rectify them. Feeling inherently better than the people they're saying the first message to is the only way to reach this incongruity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:41 PM
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The testosterone level drops so the sex drive drops too. But old men still have wives they can enjoy the company of and love. His question wasn't solely about penis in vagina sex intercourse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:36 PM
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Then the next best thing is figure out how to make enough money so that buying it is not a problem. But tbh we know that most men who are perma single end up just giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:34 PM
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If I had absolute knowledge of the future and that I'd never date or have sex then I'd give up right now, if that answers your question. There's other things I want, but sex is a non-negotiable part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:26 PM
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Realistically, only the thought that he might start dating successfully in the future, that's about it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:12 PM
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Single with no hookups, completely dry for years? 9 or 10 With hookups, probably drops to like a 4 at most. If it's like a year or two where he's already dated and is in between relationships, maybe like a 5 or 6 depending on the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:09 PM
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For one thing I think you can say almost any insult you want, except for the following which I'll outline in this paragraph. But when you insult somebody you reveal your own values too. Let's push this to the extreme, if somebody yells racial slurs at another person, would you take them seriously if they said they weren't racist and thought this would be the best way to rattle the other person? The obvious answer is of course not. The fact of the matter is they thought that race was something to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:47 PM
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It's unfortunate, really. Kamala Harris wasn't part of the left wing culture war warriors who have been utterly insufferable since the 2010s, aggressively shoving young men out of formerly moderate spaces into radical ones. The short overview is that women have mainstream spaces with which they can discuss beauty standards directed towards women by men, can discuss gender specific issues without being shut down, and have significantly better social support shown to them in general. Not only do m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:20 PM
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It has been on my mind how being slim is considered, by many on PPD, a very demanding task. In a lot of countries, being slim is the baseline. Much of the world looks in shock at the kind of weight Americans have normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:11 AM
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You CAN use logic to arrive at many of the positions women hold on this sub. The missing piece of the puzzle is that oftentimes the assumption that there's an objective social hierarchy and the men here are lower than the women is baked into their responses. There's logical sense if you understand this opinion. I have also noticed a love of Himbos (handsome but unintelligent men). To illustrate my point, I have posted an image below. The context is that in 2013, Organizing for Action, which advo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 08:07 PM
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I'm still trying to gauge what proportion of PPD/"pill"sphere reddit opinions are genuine outliers and what proportion are opinions that people hold but need anonymity to say out loud. Bloops will rush to tell me "It's just reddit bro, everyone irl is normal and dating fine", but from what I can see they are NOT, and social trends don't support this either. -pill content has surged in popularity for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:10 PM
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At the same time, I assume you concede that looking at the 2018 GSS figure as an arbiter of truth for estimating not even undesirability but even just the question it directly asked is putting a lot of stock into one outlier figure Yeah, I'll clarify. I'm fine with looking at a variety of sources for data. It's very possible a spike or dip in one survey isn't representative of the population as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:32 PM
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With women glued to social media, where the algorithms show them men who are significantly more attractive than average and present this as normal, I'm concerned that men are increasingly going to feel "settled for". Not a thought that makes me comfortable, to say the least
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:12 PM
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I didn't respond to your previous comment because I didn't end up receiving the notification for it until the next day. We saw a trend over about 10 years of rising sexlessness, with this number going down immediately post pandemic. The General Social Survey itself specifically warned against leaping to conclusions uncritically about disruptions to historical trends: Changes in opinions, attitudes, and behaviors observed in 2021 and 2022 relative to historical trends may be due to actual change …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:18 PM
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Tbh it's irritating how we have all this data about rising sexlessness, more men being single than ever before, and all the information about dating apps, but it just gets ignored or claimed that it was "debunked" when what actually happened was at best it was mildly nitpicked. Personal anecdotes are simply unbeatable, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:16 PM
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Yeah, I agree. The other element re "social skills" is social invitations and opportunities are heavily influenced by sexual attractiveness. Already attractive people get invited places, the ones who are getting given the "it's all about confidence bro" speeches don't. Like Reasonable_Mouse said, there's a compounding factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:20 AM
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The "just be liberal bro" or "1ncels are 1ncels because they're far right wing" crowd have gotta just throw in the towel and give up at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 10:59 PM
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Exactly! The room isn't the problem, the room is fit for purpose. The room exists because of the world outside the room. Adding more things to this room won't change what really matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:32 PM
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rhetorical smackdowns on reddit are literally the only place in the world where I have ever seen people act like sex and relationships are comparable to luxury goods I think this is probably what really rubs me the wrong way, I know it's a rhetorical smackdown angle and not a genuinely held belief. Expecting men to not adjust their goals or decisions in response is just bizarre. Chinese netizens are howling with laughter every time somebody here describes the idea of starting a family as some fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:20 PM
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For a perennially single man, literally this meme <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:07 PM
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You know I think what irks me about the "You're not entitled to anything!" posts is that they come across incredibly entitled themselves. Provided they play within the rules, men are completely within their rights to adjust their behavior to their environment. Men who can't deal well with being single will downsize their life - low earnings, low costs. Men who can deal with it will be high earners then "geomaxx", bringing back attractive women from less economically developed countries. Both of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:43 PM
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The true misandrist content is uncommon. Not as uncommon as I would like it to be but uncommon nonetheless. The extremes I'm talking about don't concern hating all men, it's about which category the man is in. The question you raised was whether it's only creepy old men who are told to not approach. I'm telling you there's plenty of young men who are in this category of "don't approach me" as well, more so than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:51 PM
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I don't just see one thing, I see both extremes. Women are incredibly lustful after SOME men. They also spend a lot of effort in deterring others. There's likely some recall bias going on here because the latter message isn't intended for you. The men are very aware of which camp they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:22 PM
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This image right here. The image you've posted seems to cut through the lower portion of each of the confidence bars. This supports other data such as from Pew Research which showed a rising number of single men. It is true that the GSS showed a decrease in sexlessness after the Covid pandemic. This struck me as odd because that doesn't match with the observations any human has made post pandemic. I examined what might have caused this discrepancy, and found that they had made serious changes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:12 PM
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I think things used to be 5-10% chased after, then somewhere between 10-20% told to leave women alone. This meant like 75% of men were in the middle and is consistent with what I could see in the General Social Survey about sexlessness in the 90s. With social media causing unrealistic expectations the "ew, no" portion has risen to at least 30% from what I can see from the data and that's assuming everyone is honest about being part of the "ew, no" group, which they won't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:29 PM
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Younger men get sent this message a lot. Face to face it's less direct, but women are blasting this message online at full volume and they know it's for a younger audience, as you'd expect when you post something on reddit, tiktok, etc. It isn't just intended for 50s+ old men trying to talk to women half their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:13 PM
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There's a portion of men who are chased after, and there's a portion of men who are told they're not attractive and should leave women alone. The chunk in the middle is not nearly as large as people like to pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:07 PM
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The problem with saying "do not seem to believe in healing", regarding people who gave therapy or antidepressants a fair try and reported back negatively of them, is that it's a complete conversation ender. You can't really ask more of somebody than to give these things a try with an open mind. Any further than that is effectively demanding a positive evaluation which is absolutely not how this works lol. A lot of people find therapy ineffective and antidepressants actively harmful. You're going…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 09:33 AM
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And you see how men having to continually put the work in, and then watching it all crumble down is the worse deal? Granted there are men who just want sex but there are plenty of men who are looking for relationships too. When women search for men, it's less effort intensive. Importantly, the woman is aware that she is desired throughout this whole process. Men often aren't desired at all, and have to deal with years of only being told they're unattractive, then somehow figure out how to keep t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:38 AM
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From your other comment: "I date women as well and they don’t do this shit" My definition of dating successfully is going out on a date without being immediately rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:16 AM
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Men can get strung along too, and it's not unheard of for this to be done in a manipulative fashion. This happens in real life, but I think the most egregious examples are online. Online influencer women aiming for men to develop parasocial relationships with them has proven to be an enormously profitable strategy. Men even know they're being baited, and then fall for it anyway. Think carefully about what this implies about the modern man - somebody who was shown even a small amount of affection…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:03 AM
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Then show it. I'm not seeing critical thinking skills here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:14 AM
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Exactly this. Disney has nothing to do with why people are surprised about women admitting they don't view or approach romance like a Disney movie. The truth is that nobody is surprised women don't view things that way. Growing up everyone knew a boy who was taller than the rest, who obviously had anger management issues and gave off blatant red flags, but was also never short of attention from the girls. I mean, we all had eyes and ears and could see and hear how women talked about dating. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:50 AM
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Yeah people are NOT aware of the potential negative effects of SSRIs. I say this as somebody who started taking them in 2023. It's more than just sexual dysfunction too. I'd just lay in bed and not do anything, then feel nothing. This was particularly bad because my main reason for taking them was I hoped they'd help me function, then SSRIs basically had me acting like I was on low battery 24/7. Anyway I stopped taking them roughly a year ago. Their negative effects stopped eventually but it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 11:48 PM
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It's a c0pe, yes I agree. The correct version of the statement is "There are bad boys who get all the ladies. There are kind and hard working men who don't." When people start with the whole nice guy narrative, I tend to switch off because the conversation is already unsalvageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 10:50 PM
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A thought experiment is: If many more men started going to bars and clubs then approaching women, would the women love it or hate it? The obvious answer is they'd hate it. Men stopped approaching at bars because they weren't wanted, the article seems to get cause and effect mixed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:36 PM
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YEP. It's very odd because there's multiple users here who love to give the "touch grass and be normal" speech, but I can plainly see by how long they spend on reddit and how they interact with other people here that they're strange people. I have some awareness in that I know how I often come across on here. But they don't seem to be aware the rest of us can see how obvious their psychological complexes are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:17 PM
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Something similar I've been thinking about is that we only really talk to men about having unreasonable expectations for women. We don't do the reverse. You can see this reflected in how people react to criticism of their beauty standards. When men get told they're expecting too much from women and that their physical standards are too high, people don't even flinch. It's seen as a very reasonable discussion to have. Personally to me it's not that big of a deal since I'd been getting sent this m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:53 PM
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Well, I think 20-somethings are genuinely getting squeezed out economically now. I agree with the entitlement comment - when you ask a zoomer how much a good salary is, they're going to say some shit like 200K while being nowhere near that value in terms of the work they can provide. It doesn't help that people lie compulsively about their salaries now. I can't prove that all of the guys in their 20s who claim to promptly earn 6 figure salaries after college without going to a target school are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 12:02 AM
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There's some advice that exclusively works for Chad. I'm gonna be honest, for men who are average or below, and out of their college years where these kinds of tricks are more likely to work, I think there's a real high chance she just calls you inconsiderate then looks elsewhere. I think there's high odds a guy who is mid 20s and above ends up looking real foolish if he tries this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:14 AM
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Men my age will be getting lectured in around a decade or so about issues we were flagging up many years prior. It's going to be extraordinarily tiresome. I'm less "concerned" and more just irritated. Personally I'm not cool with how we're watching society get isolated and furious at each other. I get that people are drawn to these kind of discussions for schadenfreude, it's just gonna take a minute for them to realize they're gonna be miserable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:33 PM
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They don't understand it's going to be them though. By the time they do, there's not a lot that can be done. The main point is, if you're perturbed by whining now, you really haven't seen anything yet. I'm advising you to get used to it and then some. This is just how things are gonna be, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:44 PM
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I'd avoid falling into the trap of thinking that men are whining then sitting around doing nothing else. You can work on self improvement and later on that evening whine on reddit. To the point of "a bunch of people are going to live and die single", yeah. There's an iceberg straight ahead when it comes to hetero dating. By the time some of the women realize that their realistic options have been isolated for so long, it's pretty much unfixable though. If you think people are whining now, it's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 05:26 AM
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No. The truth about the blue pill, the modern one not the out of touch boomer view, is that it is not a happy-go-lucky ideology. It's one that demands you stop noticing certain things and stop discussing them. It doesn't really help men, it kinda just demands they believe "be kind and the dates will come", then cudgels them if they question this. If you're a guy looking for dating advice because you're unsuccessful, the blue pill just world fallacy is going to be at your expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:30 AM
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Don't you dare suggest that women have an easier time dating though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:20 AM
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Yeah I found I needed to be working towards some kind of goal to feel better. The whole talking it over thing just felt useless
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:35 PM
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Yeah, I'm interpreting "Go to therapy" as a substitute for "Shut the fuck up" in many contexts
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:20 PM
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From somebody who's given therapy a shot, I will never understand the sheer glaze for it. I have walked out of every session thinking I'd just wasted some time, and feeling no better than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:15 PM
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Yeah but it's been like that for a long time so no change, it wasn't like the antidepressants actually made me feel better. I'm able to function better right now than I was on the meds, but I don't like advising other people on what they should do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:01 PM
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Last year I came off antidepressants, because I hated the effect they were having on me. I started taking them because I wanted help to push through and get more work done, but they completely sapped my energy and motivation and I still felt shitty. Anyway, it's doable. The brain zaps and headaches for well over a week weren't fun. There were some effects that lasted longer, so it was a bit of grind. Just make sure you're keeping your doctor in the loop, the only reason I decided to go cold turk…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:57 PM
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God damn that's a crazy clip. He's kinda handsome, I agree. For HER to reject him on the basis of looks, she definitely needs to look in a mirror. Yeah, there might be some "you can't fire me, I quit!" going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:37 PM
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Put bluntly we're in a post natural selection world. Natural selection tests for survival skills and genetic fitness, to be talking about this in an air conditioned theatre on a netflix special where you're aiming for claps rather than laughs is out of touch to say the least. Should we leave behind comedians who don't get enough laughs out of their audience too? I wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:42 PM
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He is also demanding that women make special efforts for men who are autistic. That last part? That’s really offensive. I'm aware there are problems with his post,I'm suggesting what are in my view stronger arguments, that won't come across in such a bad way. Cannot you not see how that lands entirely differently than lamenting the shittyness of struggling with a disability? Well there's zero point in me beating around the bush here. A lot of the struggles the guys here speak about aren't intern…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:51 AM
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I'm seeing a lot of "interesting" replies here. OP, I think you can make a stronger argument by comparing the rates of relationship success between autistic men and women, autistic women have a significantly higher success rate than the men do. This shows it isn't inherent, there's negative sentiments aimed specifically at the men. We can also compare the relationship success rates between autism and other neurodivergence. Again, we can see that autism is punished particularly harshly. I think a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:30 PM
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No, we don't use stats as crutches, we use stats so we have a more accurate view of the whole picture, instead of relying on personal anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:42 PM
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Dude, you said "most autistic men I know", he then linked statistics that showed a more comprehensive picture of the lives of autistic men. Don't be bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:36 PM
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To share my perspective on this, I think the mobile phone has been instrumental in creating this isolated dynamic. Back in the day I'm assuming that party plans travelled by word of mouth and people would just invite whoever was around, this was useful in building a community. What the mobile phone does is let somebody send off one single message and it's done. Consequentially somebody is either part of the "in-group" or they are cut out with surgical precision. When I was a teenager (which was …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:44 PM
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I'm not red pill but considering the people I end up arguing with usually end up being blue pill I'll answer here: No. I have re-evaluated my own viewpoints independently but there has never been a point where I've thought "damn this blue piller really has a point here". The viewpoint that dating is fine actually and it's just personality or morals that result in men being unsuccessful in dating has long been dead in the water. I was told only a small minority of men struggled with dating. Resea…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 09:38 PM
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No, the pew survey has never been debunked nor explained away, nor have the rates of single men and women been similar. We've had users nibble away at the edges and try to provide explanations that account for some of the very large difference, but they've never genuinely done what they set out to do. The average man in his 20s is having a very difficult time dating and the data shows it. Yes, my point is that your observations are going to be highly biased. "Self improvement" is a concept that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:32 PM
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It seems like you've made a lot of very strong assertions in this comment and the subsequent replies, but the data doesn't really back this up. The reality is that most young men are single and young women have a significantly easier time finding a relationship as we can see from this same article. The "transformed" comment where you essentially call men lazy has survivorship bias to an extreme degree: if a man had put in the effort but remained equally invisible to women, you wouldn't notice it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:37 PM
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Yeah I don't even know. The reddit style of "arguing" has trickled upwards even to political debates at the highest level now. This is where they're not looking to engage with content in the traditional sense, but instead to just get in a snippy reply that will receive upvotes. This definitely isn't new, but I think it's worse than ever before. I noticed during the US presidential debate, the candidates seemed to be very aware that the game was primarily about generating clips shorter than 15 se…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:50 PM
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I've noticed that when somebody engages in activist work to try to help tackle extremely serious issues like male suicide, they often get accused of having secretly bad intentions then put through about a dozen different purity tests. We never do this for activism of any other kind
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:58 PM
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Don't worry I'm very aware of this. People choosing to shotgun accusations at East Asian men of an objectively prosperous country being "drunk and abusive", or similar pejoratives, is just one of my pressure points. The readiness some people have to hurl insults at great places like South Korea, Japan, etc does disturb me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:10 PM
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Well no. He specifically mentions mandatory military service in South Korea as a driver of issues in gender relations- after a quick google search I can see that serving in the military in South Korea is mandatory for: Army/Marine Corps 18 months, Navy 20 months, Air Force 21 months. This places Korean men at an economic disadvantage because they cannot spend this time building their career. People just tend to gloss over this, but the average American male aged 20 is on the upper end of the ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:55 PM
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Yeah I have a number of issues with the "body positivity" movement and this is one of them; they're incredibly unprincipled. It really seems to just be looking for cultural control over specifically which bodies can be shamed, rather than taking a disciplined and consistent stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:07 PM
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Yeah I think it depends, it's definitely not just women who are on the malicious side of the discussion. The hopium in me wants to believe more people might have reasonable takes on this situation, but the reality is there's this very persistent contingent that really goes out of their way to ruin the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:35 PM
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It's refreshing and commendable to see women admit this. The ones who accept it are able to have much more well grounded discussions about depression in men. The ones who don't, often have this wrong assumption that lonely men are actively pushing people away, and then subsequently absolutely ruin discussion on lonely men by pointing fingers at them and making wrong statements about these men's situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:18 PM
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Eh I think some people have this assumption that the guys here are just whining and not doing anything to help themselves. Couldn't be further from the truth, personally I'm working on getting additional qualifications to give me better economic (and therefore social) opportunities, plus I've spent extensive time learning new languages in the past. I could just blogpost about that but obviously it's a slow grind and not relevant to the topic of this sub. I can't agree with the "It's always been …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:04 PM
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Yeah, I think this is a very relevant rebuttal to the response of "It's nothing to do with us that autism just makes you undateable". The traits of autism are one thing. The social punishment for those traits is another, and there is a noticeable gender difference in social punishment. As an autistic man myself, I've accepted that there's some innate difficulties in socializing with this condition. But the differences being this stark isn't innate, there's some cruelty aimed specifically at auti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:00 PM
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My reading comprehension is fine, you've just got blinders on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:49 PM
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Well things are more complicated than that, it isn't like there's this statistically average man who is kind hearted when dating NT women, but then becomes an abuser when dating an autistic woman. The most plausible explanation is that abusers target autistic women to victimize, which is very unfortunate. This wouldn't prove or disprove the idea that the average NT man is more willing to accept women with autistic traits than the reverse. Autistic people being targeted as a mark for victimizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:45 PM
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No she didn't. She made a comparison between NT women and autistic women, she didn't consider that an increased likelihood of victimization isn't a gender exclusive trait. The difference in zero relationship experience, by contrast, is a very notable difference between the genders. The comment she is responding to is operating in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:15 PM
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Autistic people are more likely to be victimized or abused. It isn't the case that autistic women have a huge target on their back while autistic men are out of harm's way in this regard. Discussing the significant gender difference in zero relationship experience is perfectly good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:42 PM
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Yes, like that bitch who claimed she got lired out of her relationship. What? In this case somebody who claims they got "lured" out of their relationship admits they cheated in their post. You're not making up anything in your head about them cheating, they told you that they did. By contrast, assigning a load of bad qualities to somebody talking about being lonely is making stuff up in your head, assuming they didn't write that or similar. Again, you get to be sceptical. You don't get to just r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 06:30 PM
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What does that have to do with what I wrote? It has everything to do with what you wrote. You just assigned a whole load of bad qualities to somebody talking about their problem to justify why they have that problem. So you wouldnt if you see them explain they have a gambling addicted, got into NFTs, spent their money all on drugs? Well I wouldn't just inject that into their complaint then act like they admitted it. Then I'd be shadowboxing. There's a line between reasonable scepticism and rewri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:55 PM
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Right, but at a certain point you're not just doubting the narrator's retelling of the story, you're building straw men and creating boogeymen. This is a very common theme with you, and we can see it play out in this post. nice guys claimed they FEEL like being nice is unattractive that’s like nice guys finish last, but most of the time its because of flaws they have other than niceness Fine, this is reasonable. The “lonely people” typically: Are very unlikable. Cherry pick who they want to fix …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:37 PM
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I tend to agree with the idea that hate for passport bros is mostly spite-driven. If this were purely about concern for exploited foreign women, then they wouldn't bristle when they see foreign men dating women from wealthy countries like Japan. But they do get bothered by it. It is worth pointing out that even if a man did go to a poorer country and try to date the women there, this wouldn't be exploitation, that's simply an offer that the local women are totally free to decline. Somehow there …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:20 PM
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Well lol, I know you're being tongue-in-cheek, but I'll expand on my first comment by saying people really shouldn't cling to this idea that their in-group is the most desirable. I'm British and if British men weren't considered that desirable, then that's that. I just don't really like the arrogance of somebody asserting that their in-group is the first choice and everyone else is the second choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:19 AM
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So what? I think some people like to assert that American women are at the top of the status hierarchy, therefore the approval of American women is uniquely important. But not everyone thinks like this, certainly not passport bros. I don't think it's a case of sour grapes, but more about them thinking foreign women are more beautiful or have other qualities that make them more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:32 PM
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Men are pretty used to this shuffle. The only real distinction she makes is between men going through a temporary dry spell and then lumps perma single/virgin men into the defective category along with mass shooters. To put it more simply, she very deliberately didn't leave any room for a man who can't get laid ever but isn't a bad person, and this is moralizing. There is a litmus test for showing that her + others with same ideology aren't moralizing. This is whether they would take the concern…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:01 PM
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For the record I think the average person can intuitively understand the danger of an app that lets people post other's identities and spread unsubstantiated rumors about them, which can very easily amount to defamation. It's why I'm deliberately not engaging with users here who just can't quite seem to get it 🙃; they're intentionally missing the point. But it is true that women's interests must be protected, which is why I completely understand why they wouldn't want to go to a private location…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:37 AM
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Tangential but I've noticed this contingent of complainers online get really bothered by anime or in this case anime style drawings
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:03 PM
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Lol I know exactly the user you're referencing with the first point. "The 90s and early 00s had lower rates of chronic singleness because they were really oppressive" take, is what happens when the speaker is willing to grasp at straws to avoid admitting social media caused societal problems with loneliness. The second argument is, at its heart, the bootstraps vs societal problem discourse we've seen play out across PPD ad infinitum. The reality is that there is a new societal problem with lonel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:53 PM
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This sounds like self-driving car claims circa 2015-16 I'd completely forgotten about this one, good catch. Tech companies want self-driving cars, everyone else doesn't want to deal with the traffic jams and accidents they will undoubtably cause. Tech companies want AI doctors, but their patients don't want their doctor to hallucinate medical treatments. Some roles are just too high risk to be fully automated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:52 PM
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The main thing holding it back is red tape, regulation, and accountability. Yeah this why I think doctors and lawyers are gonna be safe for a while. For doctors, who are you gonna sue if an LLM is negligent? And the law is all about red tape, regulation, and accountability. I think the people management roles are the ones that ought to be sweating about being replaced in the next decade or so. Other roles, sure, maybe eventually, but there's much more of a buffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:45 PM
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I'm of the belief that some white collar jobs are going to be cooked way harder than others. AI can never replace Doctors since an algorithm making a medical mistake is too devastating to risk happening. The tech bros have been salivating at the thought of replacing lawyers, but time and again AI has shit the bed in court and hallucinated cases. Not to mention that mistakes in filing legal documents, while it might not cause death as a medical mistake can, can be incredibly detrimental and costl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:15 PM
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BDSM communities are known for being absolutely rife with abusers, it's ironic that this is described as a "safe" environment. With that being said there are occasions where approaching a woman in a public venue is inappropriate, they aren't miles off the mark with that take. "I feel safest in my BDSM fuck party with strangers" is a take that is difficult to grapple with, since it's very far removed from how the vast majority of people feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:23 PM
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It's because admitting that late virgins get judged very negatively kind of destroys the "sex isn't important and you don't need it to be happy" narrative that some users on reddit have permanently attached themselves to. I mean tbh everyone knows, irrespective of whether it's right or wrong to do so, that they are deemed losers. Some users are just denying it as a debate ""tactic"" because admitting it disables the use of some thought-terminating clichés, and opens up some debate topics that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 07:01 PM
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Araki Saori is so pretty, she wins
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:40 PM
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Oh lol, they are so cooked. I have avoided talking about this too much, but I was surprised when people actually tried insisting it was an app about "women's safety". It was an app to spread unsubstantiated rumors about men, while having zero respect for their privacy, just be real. Having its userbase's faces be leaked was rough, but people can survive being called ugly. If the logs of them defaming men get leaked and connected to their real identities, that can have some real negative repercus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:43 AM
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I'm pro buying escorts, although the reasons for doing so shouldn't be as a substitute for actual relationships. In your post you mention that not being able to have sex doesn't mean you're a freak of nature, which I would agree with. We're in an age where being just a little bit "off" results in horrible dating outcomes for men. I also agree with your point that prostitutes aren't a substitute for a real relationship. However, I think prostitutes provide services that make a useful stepping sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 09:31 PM
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I think discussion about the male loneliness epidemic is an excellent case study re this. If a certain ideology hears about it, they're going to dash in, call all the men losers, point fingers/victim blame, play whataboutism, and derail the conversation by any means necessary. I remember thinking about 10 years ago that the people who did this weren't that numerous. I was mistaken, they're both numerous and persistent. That sentence is basically begging them to leave this particular conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:09 PM
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The simple fact of the matter is that women in these countries know the general deal lol. This obviously doesn't excuse and is not intended to minimise the cases of violence they are victims of. Dating somebody who's unattractive in their home country who has more disposable income isn't even necessarily a bad deal, so long as they're not one of the exceptionally morally bad cases. With regards to the women in developed Western countries who get really irate about this issue, I have noticed that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:19 PM
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We're well past the "no politics" rule in this age. People are actively looking to select their partner based on similar political values, which I think is completely fair. Tbh if anything it's the opposite and you should give some indication of which party you support sooner rather than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:27 PM
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Rare optimism from me. Women still look good into their 30s. 30 is just the age where if you've drank smoked or done drugs through your 20s then it catches up with you. Other exception is gaining weight. All the same for men if no hair line disaster. Seeing somebody who's not hot at 30, who was hot at 20 is a very rare sight indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:09 PM
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It's funny this is how it happened. If a random couple at a concert appears on the jumbotron, I wonder what the odds are that they're having an affair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 09:43 PM
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I wish you the best of luck for the future 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:58 PM
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Hmm I think that's a sensible thing to point out. Personally I've accepted that if I am to date in the future then the woman I'm dating is likely to have hooked up in the past, and barring some really extreme case it's not something I'm concerned about. I think the guys who are past their early 20s probably need to reach similar conclusions instead of being highly concerned about a woman's sexual history. The main point of my initial comment was to highlight that men aren't necessarily interpret…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:36 PM
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I think the "hook up guy vs husband" discourse from the male side has been incredibly poorly argued. You're right tbh, going clubbing sucks and continually trying to hook up with new women is unbelievably effort intensive. Being the husband of a woman you're in love with is clearly a much better deal. But the guys here, me included, are likely to be unpartnered and pessimistic about the future. Hook up guy is fucking now. Hook up guy could likely pivot to husband guy if he wanted to. Being a hus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:58 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily go all-in on the OP's take. I have seen women continually jump between aggressively shaming male sexuality, and then jump back to being pro hookup culture. But this is on reddit, and I get the impression that these are pink pilled shit-stirrers who are very aware of what they're doing. I'm not of the belief that these are representative of the general population. I think a stronger argument is that men are described as having "fetishes", and women are described as having "…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:37 PM
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It does feel a bit weird when I see decisively average looking women lashing at average men as being "chopped". When you take compare the social/dating lives of an average young woman to an average young man, it's immediately apparent that the average young woman has vastly more dating and social opportunities. What they could choose to do is talk about male style choices that they like (that aren't genetic), and extend social opportunities to men. But it's more fun to lash out on social media s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:00 PM
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Always feels a bit weird to me when I say something like "If a man is totally romantically unsuccessful, he's likely to downsize as much as possible and won't be inclined to contribute to society", then somebody comes along with steam coming out of their ears because how could I dare to suggest that being perma single could possibly affect a man's motivation. Surely men should just be happy to be friends with their bros on discord for life. There's a number of users on here who I think deliberat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:40 AM
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Tangential but I've noticed there's a trend where people with really cushy and well-paid jobs feel a need to explain why actually, their life is really tough, instead of just accepting that they're cruising and no piece of legislation changes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:59 AM
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Women are most definitely not ok with being single, they love to talk about dating. When women have a true dry spell they become very distraught. I will note, I have seen many posts from the author of that blog. It does amuse me how male problems are approached from a lens of "men need to bootstrap their way up", and women's dating problems are approached much more sympathetically. I don't think his current approach where men just man up is realistic, we probably need to be tackling this from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:24 AM
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I feel like it's gotta be Christopher Reeve
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:10 PM
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It is true that according to polls coming out of Russia, no doubt approved by Putin, show that he's the most popular guy ever. Somehow I have doubts about the legitimacy of these polls and how Russian people really feel about the war.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:54 PM
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The benefit to the average Korean man in the dating market would be pretty negligible. See this is just where we're never going to agree - the Korean people I've heard talk about this have noticed a BIG difference. Kpop represents a pretty noticeable departure from Western trends, many Kpop boy group members aren't especially tall, and the typical Kpop boy group image differs from the macho image Westerners are used to. And that's to say nothing of how it has changed people's perception of Korea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:45 PM
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For real. I wanna help fix this problem by dating a woman then going jogging with her to help get her weight down, but they don't want me. It's quite a conundrum
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:59 PM
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This is a very accurate assessment. Feminists recognize how media shapes preferences, that's why they are so very intent on influencing it. An example of a good change to standards is the popularity of Kpop among Western audiences, now Korean men are viewed as much more attractive than they were previously - the South Korean government recognizes how it's a "soft power" to export Korean culture and have a positive global perception. Koreaboo women didn't just spawn out of nowhere, and if people …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:34 PM
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I would bet that almost every single man here would find exactly the same kind of women attractive 20 years ago as they do now. Then you would lose that bet. "A few ad campaigns in the 2000s" doesn't even begin to capture this push. Ask anyone who was around for fashion modelling back then and they will talk about "compulsory thinness" in the early 2000s and tell you body standards for women are different now. Putting different body types on the covers of magazines normalizes those body types, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:55 PM
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Are you really gonna look me straight in the eyes and say the world is as stable as when Obama was president
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:07 PM
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Blue pillers have been marching back their positions for a number of years now. I think the position is already some mumbling about how dating apps aren't real life even if we hear nonstop about how important height is on dating apps and that real people are using them. I think the end point of bloop discourse is going to be getting really brazen with telling men they're gonna be alone, but like, at that point, what does the blue pill even offer except the chance to punch down?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:03 PM
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It's because people watch that content AND it doesn't get throttled at all. Thus it gets the benefit of outrage bait and none of the disadvantages. There was one particular content creator who was known for saying the absolute worst things about men like it was fact and cherrypicking the worst actions of men like it were common. Complete impunity, had to block her to get her off my algo. Ironically, the thing she finally started getting heat for was when she revealed she was a Trump voter. Socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:15 PM
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I thought about posting a pic of myself here recently, then considered there'd be a really high chance somebody would attempt to dox me. Game's gone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:05 PM
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Right, factual data about the population from Pew research or the General Social Survey is all for incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:26 AM
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The anti-porn crusade does fascinate me since it seems like both the Christian fundamentalists and radfems utterly hate it, with almost every other person between those 2 extremes not feeling remotely similarly. The modern age is sterile and isolated, and I'm not sure people want to open the can of worms where accessing consensually erotic content is banned in this cultural climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:08 PM
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I have tried talk therapy and did not find it helpful. I walked out of each session feeling like I'd wasted the time, which to be fair is not the worst thing in the world, when compared to SSRIs which actively hurt me. I think a weekly session of chopping wood and clearing the debris would probably be worse, but only because I wouldn't benefit from that either and on top of that I'd likely be tired and would have wasted more time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:09 PM
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Apparently not. I've been watching him try and push this narrative, even if it flies in the face of data from social surveys, data from dating apps, and a whole range of other clear trends. He doesn't even attempt to argue with facts, it's very strange
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:02 PM
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I watched a tiktok recently where a British woman said that British men were unattractive and that she was going abroad to Italy to find hot men there (context, I am British). I will note, In her tiktoks after that I couldn't spot any Italian men next to her, but anyway, the main point is that I wasn't particularly bothered. Like, this is what people are so pissed about lol? And it isn't just an economic development thing either since men travelling to Japan/SKorea still catch ire. It seems stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:54 AM
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I need a new approach and am going to try delusionmaxxing. I look like Timothee Chalamet and nobody is going to convince me otherwise, not even a mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:06 PM
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I mean people often don't fully spell out their beliefs like this but that doesn't mean they don't have the belief. To clarify, the belief I'm referring to here is a man who can't get dates must be a morally bad or otherwise defective person. It's a background drumbeat that blue pillers keep rhythm with. Men who can't get dates and admit that online (I'm in this picture), frequently get people hunting for reasons why they're a bad person who deserves to be alone. Discussions on lonely men invari…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:24 PM
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I think people are catching onto the idea that online dating really only works for Chad. The problem from what I can see is that mixers still aren't very appealing for a lot of men, but idk it's probably the case that literally anything is better than dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:03 PM
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You can probably glean this from some of the replies to this post but I think a major problem with this topic is that women want a man who doesn't have to ask for advice. People often come to this topic and open up by throwing haymakers - "stop being such a hateful incel who never showers" and similar remarks. Unfortunately, such is life when the key piece of information that people are paying attention to is that women don't want you. Of course, when the responses transparently just want to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:18 PM
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My condolences that this is how your father has acted. My ire isn't for people who read some kind of male mental health advocacy, shrug, and then don't do anything. I don't believe there's any obligation for somebody else to be an advocate for the causes that I believe in. What gets me agitated is when somebody actively makes the decision to invade the discussion and make it worse. The example where lonely men are described as toxic is in my opinion particularly egregious because not only has th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:31 PM
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I guess if I can't have what I want, at least you all can get some useful advocacy done 🏳️‍🌈
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:10 PM
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Now that it's the end of the month, it does amaze me how much concern trolling any talk of men's mental health is subject to. Apparently, nobody has ever looked to discuss men's mental health in good faith, it's all part of some scheme somehow. Therapy is put up on some pedestal as being a panacea for all mental health problems. My problem with this is that it's very possible men benefit from therapy less in general, or that for the types of problems men talk about, therapy is not a very effecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:46 PM
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TBH plastering fat women everywhere made chubby look normal so actually it did have an effect on me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:04 PM
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Well if you want to take the attitude that it's a Legitimate Complaint then go for it. But it just joins the cacophany of whining nonetheless. Stoicism about dating standards died the moment fatness started being viewed as normal. The genie is out of the bottle now and whining about beauty standards is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:12 PM
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It's 2025, there has never been a better time to whine throughout history. Social media whining now is the norm, and because of online anonymity, we can be utterly shameless. Whining has already been used to great effect in normalizing fatter and fatter body types for women. Men's behavior is subject to constant whining, from travelling abroad to find a wife, to the whining that happens every time twitter discovers a male celebrity has chosen to date a woman in her 20s. Whining sets the backdrop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:15 PM
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The assertion that men are the ones who are too obsessed with sex and relationships seems to be looking increasingly weak. Love Island USA has ranked. as the No. 1 most-watched streaming reality series for the second consecutive week, the majority of the viewership are young women. The whole appeal of the show appears to hinge on the viewer forming a parasocial relationship with conventionally attractive strangers and then obsessing over their sexual interactions. There is no other motivation, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 08:57 AM
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I don't subscribe to the crabs in a bucket mentality, so I'm rooting for everyone here to find a date eventually, you included. There's definitely an element of luck involved with finding somebody. Being introverted does make things harder, it's just that I'm used to reading reasons which are, I dunno, more concrete? I've got autism (as do many others), we have guys here who insist they are incredibly ugly, and a lot of guys with social anxiety, BDD and other issues here too. It just seems remar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:05 PM
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Can I ask, are you certain that you won't have a date by the end of the year? Not wanting to use dating apps is legitimate, as there's plenty of other ways dates can happen. I'm also wondering whether you're using "introverted" as a substitute word for something more serious which would be a significantly greater impediment to finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:41 PM
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I think this post might be a case of the OP spinning their wheels without a reason. There's going to be men who are willing to respect women and have reasonable bars to do so, eg "I respect any woman so long as she is competent in the relevant context". Unfortunately there's also going to be men who will never respect women in any case. The number of men who will only respect women if they're a video game character or action movie superhero brought to life is essentially zero, they're just men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:04 PM
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I don't play chess so I guess I would be starting at 1000
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:25 PM
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Oh I'll be blunt, if the opportunity for dating and marriage was completely taken off the table for me, and I knew that this was 100% the case, I'd instantly give up. All of the effort I'm putting in right now is so that I can hopefully live a nice life in the future, and being able to eventually find a wife is one of the core goals. People here get irritated when I give this answer for some reason, but frankly I think that's just a lack of introspection on their part and also that most people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:14 PM
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I suspect she's neurodiverse but she never actually discloses exactly in what way in the full youtube video. I'm thinking ADHD. By their 20s it may be the case that there's a difference between the social skills of autistic men and women, although IMO the single biggest contributing factor to that is autistic men spend their young adult lives getting kicked in the teeth repeatedly and autistic women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:19 PM
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I'm gonna go put my head in cold water now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:41 PM
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Summers are so miserable now. They're hotter than ever before, our houses aren't built for it and we don't even have air conditioning. I don't sweat a lot and aren't built for this heat, which isn't surprising given that my country has a long history of cloudy skies and wet weather. We actually just get cooked every summer now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:38 PM
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I also am drinking a lot of energy drinks at the moment. The problem is I'm picky - the store was out of my preferred brand, so I tried c4 cosmic rainbow flavor and I hated it so much I was actually gagging lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:33 PM
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Currently I'm studying for some exams needed to become a lawyer. The plan is to careermax to open up some opportunities to meet a partner - some status and more disposable income can be useful in any case. When there's less academic pressure on me I'm probably gonna start jogging like I used to, I'm not fat but I used to be really trim, and depression + trying antidepressants have kinda taken that away from me. If I succeed in those goals, and I'm either still not desirable enough for a date or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:37 AM
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Indeed, the topic of dating, which is well-known to be completely distinct from and have zero overlap with the topics of sex, marriage, or starting a family. Writing that it never occurred to you to be motivated by sex, while spending a huge amount of time on a sub that is obsessed with sex, is so obviously false that it's baffling why you'd even attempt to convince others that it was true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:20 PM
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Nothing I've ever done was for the purpose of reproduction. And yet here you are, a top 1% commenter on a sub that discusses the same dozen or so dating topics ad infinitum
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:37 PM
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Ruh roh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:27 PM
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Aw, thank you for your concern. I haven't decided to abandon this sub yet. I hope you are well too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:18 PM
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Zooming in on any 1 piece of advice probably misses the forest for the trees. When the same ideology is the first in line to say there's no problems in dating, constantly accuses men of having bad personalities or just being bad people, and also instantly shames strategies like passportbro-ing, i think I am being entirely reasonable to think this ideology is not playing for my team. Advice that is acceptable to me needs to be actionable, not a thinly veiled accusation (eg "shower and stop being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:16 PM
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Personally I was hoping people wouldn't feed that post since it's an obvious attempt to "neg" men. It does so by ignoring that if women on average prefer a man slightly older than them, then there will be women who are fine with larger age gaps. All the data we have shows that men still have options as they age AND tend to date women younger than them, the only qualm is how large the age gap is. Nobody ever said anything about 40 year olds partnering up with 20 year olds, but then he even mentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:58 AM
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I genuinely don't believe that any bloop advice is actually for straight men's benefit. I don't really enjoy how much weaponized shame they send towards men either - the motives are fairly clear in the examples you gave.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:14 AM
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The point about higher cheating and domestic violence rates is a reasonable distinction from just the moral aspect of the job, this is a fair objection that I wasn't aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:43 PM
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Hmm, there might be more reasons than just the salary, this is true. I think they are probably mistaken as to the temperament of most police officers but I'm aware this would fall on deaf ears. The question still remains whether, for the far left wing women, their boyfriend working as an engineer at Lockheed Martin or in health insurance at UnitedHealthcare would trigger an alert ❗or whether it wouldn't even register.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:38 PM
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A thought that popped into my mind recently: How many women who ardently supported Luigi Mangione wouldn't bat an eyelid if a potential suitor earned a high salary working in health insurance? I've seen women online refer to working as a police officer as a "red flag" before, but I'm convinced that they only have negative feelings about this because it's a blue collar job without a particularly high salary. I wonder how large the intersection is between the group of women who have radical left w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:18 PM
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The reason why the red pill has become popular is because around 30% of young guys get precisely 0 romantic or sexual attention whatsoever. It wasn't uncommon for people to leave college having found their spouse, and now guys are leaving college having never gone on a date. The surge in -pill content exists solely because of this fact. With regards to whether red pill content is a scam, it's certainly clear that it is, this is why the red pill have constant rotating figureheads who are all sket…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:00 AM
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TBH I would actually date an overweight woman if she were willing to go out on walks/jogs with me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 05:23 PM
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This is a lot easier to do if you get a penalty kick or red card one of the opposing team's players (eg height filter). Regardless, overweight women demanding tall, handsome, neurotypical men and shaming those who don't meet this standard as "not good enough", have committed a foul. Consequently I will be falling over clutching my knee while making faces contorted in pain at the ref (social media). And considering I am hiding behind an anonymous reddit account, I am immune to all shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:28 PM
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We're in an era where crying to the ref is commonplace. Growing up, all the men in their 20s here were harangued about unrealistic body expectations for women, before they had even hit puberty. These speeches only ramped up in intensity, the media was fully on board with this message. Nowadays, the statement "being overweight is unattractive" is taboo, it is "bodyshaming". However, men are subjected to a whole range of far harsher standards that are genetically determined. The media does little …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:04 PM
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Honestly after reading spaces like .is I suspect that there is a group of too far gone men who are just perma messed up. But as you stated you would also expect to hear stories of incels responding well and moving closer to normiehood. I think this category would be larger than the former. The fact that fiction is never written about the latter scenario is an indication that there is a clear agenda to send the message "Don't show compassion. Feel free to punch down as much as you like."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:39 AM
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It's interesting how these fiction writers consistently choose to write incels as being given a completely fair and reasonable shot at love, being helped 0 by any love or affection, then self-sabotaging because they're an inherently shit human being. There's pretty clear intent with the LARPs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:20 AM
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Western men force themselves into a "nice guy", "beta male" role and then get mad when they are treated as one. force themselves into get forced into. Western men aren't picking this role, they're being shoved into it because that's the only role Western women will let them perform. I think the rest of your post is fine, in terms of status and wealth being strong factors as to why passport bro-ing can work, although I also think that Western attitudes towards dating are currently rotten and it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:38 PM
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If a woman on here sent me angry DMs that would be more attention than I've received in years, bring it on
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:30 PM
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People seriously underestimate the extent to which autistic men are socially punished. From a man with autism, you don't need to have a meltdown or (perhaps mistakenly) behave in a wildly inconsiderate way to get pushed away. Small things like a voice that's flatter than normal or being anything less than lightning fast with subtle social cues will get a man othered. This is particularly the case in a dating context.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:27 AM
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Keir Starmer has performed an extraordinary number of u-turns already. He has talked about nationalising public services, then scrapped that idea. He spoke out about outsourcing jobs in the NHS, but abandoned that idea, and there have been serious concerns he has sold out British workers in his new trade deal with India as he has given out tax breaks for Indian workers. He promised to increase income tax on top earners, then said he wanted to lower taxes. He talked about a green investment promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:53 PM
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Ah I'm not American. Unfortunately I think we probably will have a far right Prime Minister elected next but that is a problem for 2029
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:45 AM
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Thank you 🙏, although the concerning part is constitutional law is only a small fraction of what I must know for these exams - I still have a whole lot more subjects to run through.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:40 AM
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I successfully managed to avoid doing nothing this weekend and instead read up on some constitutional law. Still in deep shit though revision-wise I won't lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:01 AM
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I would argue that this "little variance" is actually very substantial
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:23 PM
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This just seems so evidently wrong to me - we've seen such colossal shifts in what people find attractive even in just the last 10 to 20 years or so
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:19 PM
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The part that irritates me in the conversation about beauty or dating standards is the assertion that they're inflexible. Recently in the last decade or two, we've seen a very determined push to put extremely fat people, particularly fat women, on the cover of beauty magazines and similar. This would, at first glance, appear to be an exercise in complete futility, except if "fat" is now defined as 250+ lbs, then what was called "chubby" is now normal. And it is true, being somewhat overweight is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:48 PM
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You responded to my statement that lonely men are assumed to be disgusting human beings with the rebuttal of doubling down on you personally believing them to be disgusting human beings. This is not an effective rebuttal. "People still have sympathy for these guys" I am watching you actively paint lonely men as horrible people and justify their exclusion, then suggest that any degree of social inclusion is tantamount to other people solving their problems for them rather than just not kneecappin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:39 PM
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People have sympathy for lonely guys They absolutely don't, lonely men are a socially acceptable punching bag. Even admitting being unable to date is an incredibly uncomfortable thing for men to do, pride aside, because it invites a whole slew of accusations about how there must be something seriously wrong with them. Assumptions about horrible hygiene, far right wing beliefs, and perhaps even being a sex pest who doesn't understand consent are all commonplace in reddit posts about lonely men. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:21 PM
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I don't have much to add here, but don't worry I'm very aware that feminists who insert themselves into then take over these discussions aren't looking to argue in good faith, that point is exactly correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:54 PM
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You latched onto a specific phrase I used and completely ignored the point I made
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:52 PM
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...which is why you've responded to me? As well as made sure to paint lonely men with a very broad brush in an extremely negative fashion numerous times in this thread. Loneliness is becoming an increasingly common issue among younger men, and unlike what "dating experts" with huge platforms will tell you, it is by no means restricted to a small set of highly radical disagreeables.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:39 PM
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The OP has already addressed this complaint, hostile sexist men actually end up having a higher number of sexual partners. This disproves the insinuation that ALL lonely men are lonely because they hate women. But yes I am aware of the existence of a radical loud minority group of men, these are by no means the lion's share of lonely men. Are you aware that more moderate men such as myself can see you and others angrily buzzing around this whole thread, utterly enraged at the prospect of lonely …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:26 PM
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This encapsulates the problem perfectly. Lonely women often people reaching out to offer them inclusion, which fixes the problem. Lonely men aren't so lucky. This is at the very core of why loneliness has become a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:02 PM
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I haven't found anything to alleviate the pain, unfortunately. I'd be highly concerned about the negative effects of recreational drugs. Only thing I've found that mitigates the damage is downsizing my expectations, focussing only on the most essential priorities, and keeping far away from anything addictive when it's crunch time. Note: addictive can range from anything from alcohol to a new video game. Best of luck, sorry I don't have any real solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:49 PM
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I suspect because what they really wanted was somebody to talk things through with. The actual problem was not insurmountable nor crippling. I'm a man who tried therapy. I did not find it useful because discussion of a problem that you're already aware of but don't have the resources or means to fix, is not a useful discussion. I also tried antidepressants, those were actively harmful and getting off of them was hell. It is genuinely alarming how often they're prescribed because I had a very neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:24 PM
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Eh, when I was 19 I was mocked by mostly men. But after they'd got their licks in, they stopped. I think the expectation was that they'd got a date at 19 and made fun of me, but I'd start dating at 20 or 21 and then we could all laugh about it together. But now that I've gotten older, it's women doing the mocking. And the women engaging in these discussions while hurling insults at perpetually single men know their targets are really suffering. It's significantly more malicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:54 PM
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I have noticed a disturbing trend where a problem that affects men seems to be an invitation for a subset of radfems to show up and point fingers at them while making sure that there's zero sympathy for them or societal analysis on their problems. Searching up "male loneliness epidemic" on tiktok yields results where the vast majority of videos are women making sure that the narrative is lonely men are shit people who deserve it. Even here commenters are taking issue with the term "lonely", beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:36 PM
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In some cases. But if somebody opens with "The local authority does an exceptionally poor job maintaining the area. Hooligans sprayed graffiti everywhere that the neighborhood was filled with Nazis which has made it more difficult to sell. I talked with a buyer last week who said they were holding out for a mansion in the suburbs despite not having the income for that purchase.", then responding with "the price is too high" completely misses the point of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:53 AM
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The lab grown diamonds discourse does interest me. Diamond mining often involves a huge amount of human suffering - there's a reasonable chance that any particular mined diamond was mined by a child slave and people know that. It's interesting thing to see some people chase status even though it undeniably makes the world a worse place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:08 PM
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"Having sex won't make you feel any better" is one of those statements where everyone knows it's a complete lie, even the person saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:10 PM
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Ding ding ding. There's people who accept they're not normal, and there's people who expect us to play along with their poorly disguised pretense. If there ever were normies here, they have all left
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:33 PM
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At least they're starting to realize. Being a woman is an incredible social crutch to lean on, in addition to the obvious dating advantages. For men there's no option to just kiss because you're curious and don't want to be kissless anymore. Props to her though, particularly on that sub there's not many women who have the thought that "Oh if I were man with the same qualities I have now my life would be fucking terrible".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:39 PM
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Yeah, advantages can get cancelled out pretty quickly depending on your other circumstances. My face is kinda handsome but it's cancelled out by being mildly autistic. Unfortunately there's more than 1 thing that can cook you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:49 PM
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The "we don't care what you do just stop bothering us" line doesn't really seem to have a lot of truth behind it. At any point in time thepassportbros subreddit will have multiple posts complaining about them. I don't buy that passportbro complaints are solely concerned about exploitation for the reasons that" 1) Products such as Shein definitely exploit asian women and don't receive a fraction of the anger. By contrast marrying a foreign woman can just be a free decision made by both husband an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 11:56 AM
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In this analogy, from their PoV, a rat scurries up and asks why it can't eat at the restaurant like the humans can. That's why this response seems so disconnected
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:02 PM
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Re the "I get a ton of matches but they're all bad, hence it's the same as getting zero matches" comment, even the women making this argument know it's bullshit. They are saying this because they think you're gross and deserve zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:26 PM
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At last somebody said it. Young women do indeed spend a huge amount of time talking about sex and dating, so much for it "not being that important"; regulars here are not being very candid. The only thing I wanna add is that you won't even necessarily get any closer to being able to date - they don't like playing matchmaker. Guys can do what they want but OP is correct and the grass outside is not very green. You can have many female friends and be 0 steps closer to finding a date, and perhaps f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:10 AM
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It does amuse me how men are told for over a decade how it's ok to talk about their feelings and not be stoic. They decide to open up in a way that hasn't been totally restructured to appease other people, and then the ideology that told them to be open then collectively becomes furious and calls men toxic. Women are social gatekeepers who collectively have much more control over mixed gender social spaces than men do. They absolutely cannot sit this one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:49 PM
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Oh we've actually already had some interesting data about that posted here a few months back, which I just remembered now: Here is the link What the data shows is that both men and women overrate themselves. We can split hairs about the exact differences but it seems vaguely similar with more men thinking they're in the higher 70th percentiles, while more women give themselves the really high 90th+ percentile ratings. Rating other women is similar, with men giving out slightly higher ratings to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:14 AM
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It's often not extreme but when I'm out in public the average couple I'm seeing has the woman dating up very slightly. Like she'll be kinda pudgy and eh, and the guy looks a little more athletic than average. I see the occasional guy dating up, but for the most part the hot women are out with other women. There's definitely a trend here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 01:11 AM
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I agree with the central point being made here. Something very alarming is that past a certain age, women really don't wanna be your first anything - you're expected to have already dated, kissed, had sex before. Consequently on top of all the previous issues there's now the new snowballing problem of a lack of experience and the resulting mental health impacts. At this point I firmly believe that men who are still inexperienced by age 21 at the latest find themselves perennially behind the eigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:39 AM
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From a guy who is part of the demographic, it's utterly horrifying how -pill discourse seems to inevitably arrive at the conclusion of attacking ND men. From just directly going for the throat initially, to taking the long way around by attacking men who haven't dated by a certain age (hmm I wonder if this targets a particular demographic), or just broad brush demonization of socially isolated men (again, HMM) the discourse always converges on the same target. The same conclusions are reached ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:00 AM
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I often enjoy solitary hobbies. The problem is that because my social validation is at a flat 0, that kinda drains the enjoyment I get out of anything else. I've read through this comment a couple of times and it's difficult tell if you mean solitary hobbies don't really make people happy ever, because I would disagree with that. The alternative is that you're specifically calling out the people who say "you can just do [solitary hobby] to deal with social isolation and be happy", because then I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:12 PM
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Im a Brit and I 100% believe Brits are generally unattractive. Brits have collectively gotten fatter and a lack of sunlight over here doesn't help. I also think many of the fashion trends over here look fucking terrible. However, it might be the case that some EU countries are throwing stones from glass houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:59 PM
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This was something I was thinking about recently. In the early 2010s there were some thinkpieces posted online saying "Look, feminists, if you keep speaking to lonely young men in this unempathetic and antagonistic fashion, they are going to become radicalized in the opposite direction". These thinkpieces were told by feminists to shut the fuck up, but just over 10 years later here we are and there are indeed plenty of far right young men. The part I disagree with is that there's going to be any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:01 AM
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Being thin in your early 30s is a pretty reasonable ask
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:24 PM
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I can go outside to public spaces and visibly see that people are fat and getting fatter. I can listen to what people expect and determine whether it is reasonable or not. I can see that it isn't just a "me" problem but something significantly more widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:51 PM
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There are plenty of self-flagellating blue pillers who are utterly miserable across reddit. But to answer the question directly, if you start dating at a normal age and only encounter fairly normal speed bumps then of course you're not going to be cynical about relationships. I was incredibly blue pilled when I was young, then I got hit in the face repeatedly with evidence to the contrary. As for the specific kind of red piller that you highlighted, the "I need to control my woman" kind, yeah I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:29 PM
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If I could go jogging and consequently not be autistic anymore, that problem would've been fixed when I was still in high school. But obviously I cannot do that, and while I can work on masking ultimately I am stuck with this card for life. Discourse around dating standards is completely upside down. Fatness deserves tolerance, genetically hard coded issues must suffer in silence. It's beyond absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:45 AM
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The number of people who have a fat fetish is dwarfed by the number of people who do not, gay or otherwise. Fat women also find themselves in the same position of can fuck but can't date long term. The straight male incel posters here aren't looking to be absolved of any self-improvement by their flaws being fetishized away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:06 AM
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Straight men fuck fat women and then refuse to date them, I think much the same mentality is at play here. Reading a lot of your posts is very frustrating because you have an incredibly strong option to improve your chances and you're not using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:41 AM
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You lurking the shortguys sub for schadenfreude does freak me out tbh. The second point is, put bluntly, you could do some cardio and your dating options would improve dramatically. Of all the problems to have, you've got the one that's the most actionable. The men whose subs you mock would love to have a problem that's fixable by jogging.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:24 AM
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back when dating was like a jog in the park, rather than an ultramarathon
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:15 PM
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Nah, this definitely isn't a chicken and egg issue since I can track from when I felt depressed and how it was over time. I also mask it much better than most people do, nor does it impede me from socializing. I gave therapy a try and found it a waste of time, and antidepressants ended up hurting me in the long run. It's very obvious to me at this point that the depression can only be cured once I can date like a regular person and was caused by not being able to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:30 PM
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I'm right here. Well my personal issue isn't looks, I'm more handsome than most people, and while I'm never the tallest guy in the room at 5'10 (I'm rounding down not up) it isn't height either. The first issue is I have mild autism, I went out of my way to socialize more when I was younger, and despite being generally mindful of other people, others spotted that there was something off about me and I was cut out with surgical precision. The second issue is that men have these problems snowball.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:00 PM
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Being this fat is a personality trait, it isn't just aesthetic. When somebody is this fat at that age I can see somebody has no interest in physical exercise, they make zero attempts to eat healthy, and they have incredibly poor impulse control. I'm making a judgement about her looks the same way I judge somebody who has ruined their looks with drug addiction, inflamed their face with excessive alcohol consumption, or generally looks like shit because they spent all night gambling at the casino,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:05 PM
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Autistic women typically aim for neurotypical men to date. I'd assume it's easier for the relationship to work if only one partner has communication problems. Men don't really have any qualms about dating slightly unusual women so long as she looks alright so autistic women often succeed in doing this. Just a question of whether they can rein it in enough. Autistic men, yeah idk from personal experience I think we've got a snowball's chance in hell of finding a relationship. This is because wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:12 AM
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The real lesson here is that this group doesn't feel bad for any of the out-groups. People who don't want kids can be normal, this sub comes across as utterly unhinged
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:09 PM
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It's funny because this is a pretty accurate microcosm of lonely men and lonely men snark groups. It took me a long while before I realized just how incredibly weird the people in the latter group were, but once I knew, so much of the inceltears and similar groups behavior made sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:54 PM
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They started dating young, and it's not like Zuck is handsome. I think she's better looking than he is, when they were both younger this was even more true. I think finding a good partner in college and eventually marrying her is an enviable position to be in tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:57 PM
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At this point I find it amusing since it reveals they don't listen earnestly to men, like at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:33 AM
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implication in other poster’s comment that neurodivergent men are exempt from harboring misogynistic feelings Nobody made the insinuation that this was ok in that comment chain, nobody even came close. The idea that neurodiverse men get given a pass for shitty behavior is a complete fabrication, if anything the opposite is true and they are more heavily scrutinized. I don't see where you saw that being argued. The words "a lot of" will never elicit such an ungodly level of charitability from me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:01 AM
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No one thinks being undesirable makes you a “bad person.” It's possible you, the OP, don't but plenty of people think in precisely this way. Groups of men are continually painted with a broad brush as being misogynistic or otherwise bad people and that's the primer for later saying "Oh, they deserve it". I suspect a lot of these comments just pass you by because they don't particularly bother you. But men here notice them because they're often targeting groups we belong to. Here is an excellent …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:48 PM
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Ok this is actually fair. I dont enjoy it when the ideal lifestyle is described as a man who has zero morals either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:14 PM
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I saw a Tiktok a while back bring up an interesting point: Tate, and similar, insult men a lot, but they don't get pissed at him when he does so. But men get incensed when left wing/progressive commentators do the same, why is that? This is from the perspective of somebody who's not a fan of either genre of influencer. The manosphere insults are usually only skin deep. Tate often uses "fat broke losers" or some variation of, as insults. It also doesn't try to rewrite reality: if you're young, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 03:38 PM
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At least the OP is calling it "going away" rather than bullshitting about "decentering". The next step is realizing that doing this necessarily sucks and will make you miserable, rather than it just being about the attitude of the men doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:32 AM
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Exactly. This isn't primarily about flaming them - I'm just giving them a fair warning it doesn't work. Gents, just look at how the MGTOW from the 2010s turned out, it's real bad. I guess they're right that it's annoying, but only because they're actively trying to market a "solution" which only makes the problems worse, when the rest of us have already seen how this ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:17 PM
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It is indeed Men Sent Their Own Way, and I've told them as such. It's the posturing that makes it that much worse - I don't recommend just giving up in any case, but at least that's direct and isn't delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:55 PM
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This sub seems to have discovered MGTOW over a decade after everyone else did. We've had about a half dozen threads on it in the last few days, and they've decided to be even more preachy. Infuriatingly, they also haven't followed the story through to the part where every single MGTOW content creator either got off the train and stopped making content, or reached its terminal stage where they try arguing being a loner who uses sex dolls is preferable to building a relationship with a romantic pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:09 PM
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And if the men involved in this conversation were already dating successfully then there wouldn't be a need to have this conversation in the first place. You can either put in a high amount of effort or accept zero results. Keep trying. Give up. Both are coherent ideas, both are direct in their gameplan. "De-centering" because you are unsuccessful isn't coherent; it's sour grapes; it's men sent their own way. OP is asking us to play along with MGTOW: the reboot, I'm simply saying I won't do it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:12 PM
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This is pretty much exhibit A in sour grapes, you won't be happy alone and unmarried at 40 and we both know it. But I'm fine with other guys shooting themselves in the foot or chasing down a rabbit hole I already know leads to a dead end and lost time. Just as long as MGTOW-esque types keep to themselves and don't bother me when their movement collapses for the umpteenth time, it's your prerogative to tell each other how the grapes are actually sour anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:14 PM
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Funny how it's only ever unattractive men who are expected to have these ascetic transformations. Again, this isnt self-discipline, it's sour grapes. There is no internalized panic on my end, I'm just aware that the only 2 things that will come from "de-centering women" are growing old and more miserable. You can give up if you want, that's a coherent game plan, just call it what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:19 PM
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"Decentering women" is entirely tone deaf because it's removed the context of women "decentering men", which is that they're not really doing that for a significant length of time. Once again, dating for women is easy and they can re-enter the dating pool whenever they want. They typically spam this "de-centering" meme on social media for 1 year, at most 2 years, then they start dating again. Dating for men is difficult and high-effort, and that's exactly why you can't de-centre it. Because if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:03 PM
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Well, it's possible this is a factually accurate account of what happened and she genuinely encountered a shit person who seemed like a good person at first (these are WAY rarer than reddit will have you believe, but anyway). My issue begins when they take an amalgamation of the worst people they've dated, project that on to me, then claim it's the reason why I can't get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:38 AM
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I'll be blunt that whole comment section is a huge circlejerk, which is exactly what I expected. For the OP, my condolences that she had a bad date. Considering she kept it very matter of fact she seems like a decent person. But if you assume that 4/5 dates are gonna be bad, you STILL get to the good 1/5 quicker than somebody who gets 0 odds at all. Her position is still significantly better than somebody who gets 0 dates at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:19 AM
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???? If you get any matches at all then evidently they did not. This completely ducked out of answering my question about how you'd respond to zero matches
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:21 PM
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How are YOU going to react if all the other gay men raise their standards to being fit, and on top of that value genetic traits you don't have? They are now shockingly uniform in what they like and won't budge from these standards regardless of what they look like themselves. Or is it only cool when straight women do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:11 PM
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I kinda agree with her post tbh. Marrying foreign women is a good way to escape the shitty dating culture back home, not bring it with you. Having said that it's worth highlighting she specifically states she's not against looking for a wife abroad, only against endless fucking around
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:13 AM
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The stats and data were entirely valid and self-explanatory for the purposes for which they were being used. The only issue was that blue pillers didn't like the data so they tried unsuccessfully to invalidate it with faulty reasoning. Blue pillers don't "debunk" shit lol, most discussions with blue pillers here promptly devolve into them hurling insults and seeing what sticks, with the exception of a very small handful of users who clearly aren't cut from the same cloth as the rest. I've notice…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 06:00 AM
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Oh I see, I figured this is where you were going with this. The blue pill doesn't operate in reality. They handwaved away data from the General Social Survey which showed rising rates of sexlessness. They came up with bullshit reasoning to explain separate data which showed that the majority of young men are single while the majority of young women aren't. Talking about men's problems is classed as whining. If you present objective data which shows that dating for men is far harder than it used …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:07 AM
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Well I would prefer it if the bedrock of their ideology wasn't the just world fallacy, because then discussing things with them wouldn't be a complete waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:34 AM
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The foundation of the blue pill is genuinely "If you have problems with dating, it's because you're a disgusting hateful neckbeard" so the personal attacks don't surprise me. The worldview is built on insults and negative assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:12 AM
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I'm definitely adapt and conform pilled, but when the bar is set at handsome neurotypical successful and above average height, and women won't budge an inch on any of those, the situation seems a bit doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:31 AM
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Lol holy shit. I was fundraising for a disability charity and nearly sent off an email with this exact typo. I only caught it because I decided to be unreasonably cautious and double check a relatively short email again. To this day that single wrong letter rattles me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 10:55 AM
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Also possible. When I read comments like in the screenshot I have to keep reminding myself I'm dealing with an unreliable narrator, and their definitions of "ugly man" and "ugly woman" may have wildly different thresholds
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:58 AM
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I'm wondering how many of these self-reported exiled women are just seriously overweight, and would have a pretty normal dating life if they just exercised occasionally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:49 AM
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I don't know. I mean, I'm desperate, it's just that I know the answer is gonna be "no". I guess if they weren't desperate they'd be looking at more recent social circles? A large portion of guys just aren't getting any right now so maybe they're throwing a hail mary. It's possible they think they've had a glow up but scrolling through their socials for a matter of minutes should tell you if that's true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:46 AM
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I don't. I don't see them around, but more importantly if they weren't interested the first time around they aren't gonna be interested now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:35 AM
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It's genuinely insane from my PoV. I've seen clips of it, and it looks like the entire point of the show is to bash the viewer over the head with its political message until they submit. It's shameless in how bold it is. Immediately after it aired, we hear from the Prime Minister about how it highlights a serious problem and the media is set ablaze with something that was designed to be propaganda from its inception. We have actually had a murder of young girls from a radicalised young man in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 02:44 AM
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Yeah that's true, I typed out my answer then realised I'd missed the point of the question somewhat. I'd probably be really cautious at the start of the relationship and be vigilant about remembering even one-off comments that I'd ignore otherwise. I think once you're married and looking to have kids, it's likely going to last. But if she isn't going to be ok with it, there's definitely going to be some indications of that at the start of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 02:01 AM
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Yes, it's not even a question. It makes me consider where the "guys don't want to date up financially" rhetoric is coming from. From everything I've seen, it's mostly the women getting pissed about dating down, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 01:41 AM
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My take is similar: Confidence is the result, not the input. The reason some guys are confident is because they've been receiving "yes"s for a very long time, and as a consequence, they are confident. This is the end result of many years of good results. Conversely, when unattractive men decide to be confident, it gets called "audacity" and they must be knocked down a peg or two. "Confidence" feels like a real cop out in conversations about what causes attraction since it really just means this …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:49 PM
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It's very strange to read posts like the ones you linked tbh. I suppose she kind of just expects all the men to respond with "yes sorry us men (who are all one hivemind) are so terrible".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:52 AM
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There's a link between mRNA Covid-19 vaccines and an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis. The problems listed would be consistent with myocarditis, from my brief research just now. There are definitely people out there bullshitting about the vaccine, but it is possible that this person is being genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:26 AM
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The difference with Tinder is that the bots actively make dating harder than it already is. If she doesn't want any DMs on reddit then she doesn't need to even read her DMs. Women get more attention across the board, both social and sexual. The reason why men just stare at these complaints blankly 😐 about receiving attention online like this, is because if she was given the choice between the social/sexual attention she is receiving currently, or the amount of attention I receive, she chooses he…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:18 AM
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I reject the idea that getting DMs on reddit constitutes a significant problem or inconvenience
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:00 AM
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Yeah, and my point is that career success means zero if you're just a hermit living in a high-priced cave. You never verbatim stated that the nuclear scientist should just be happy but you tried to substitute love with career success and it doesn't work like that. You referred to this fictional character you created as "kissless virgin" rather than "nuclear scientist" because even you know that's a shit life. You should stop being pissed that men will never be cool with being forever unpartnered…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:34 PM
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I read comments like "an MIT educated nuclear scientist who's a kissless virgin should just be happy" and realize you've really lost the plot. Ultimately people don't live to work, and the happiness people feel mostly comes from connections, love, and family which is something this lonely genius doesn't have. It is VERY strange to me how you'd rally against gender roles like this then reduce men to economic value generated and expect them to be happy because their number is high. "Patriarchy" or…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:58 PM
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I have IBS so usually taking a shit takes a while and I'm in pain for most of it. Being in and out of the bathroom within 5 minutes is kind of inconceivable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:48 PM
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Again, based on the number of happily married old people I know, I reject the idea that marrying young (as opposed to endless window shopping) is necessarily about the subjugation of women. The idea that marriage, throughout human history, has always inherently been terrible for women, is a work of contemporary fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:46 PM
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If your parents weren't happy together then my condolences. However, you can't make that assumption about everyone - I know plenty of happily married boomers from my relatives alone. Consequently I reject the idea that marriage has been nothing but a shit deal for women throughout all of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:13 PM
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Go tell your father he doesn't appreciate your mother then. My parents are happily married boomers so this whole "men have always hated women" talking point has never landed with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:55 PM
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The answer is that "being a man" is often a shit deal in modern times. Men from a few decades back went on a few dates in their teens and twenties, and promptly found a woman they wanted to marry. Men in the modern era are often completely starved for attention, going out on a pleasant date is a pipe dream, while getting married is inconceivable. Men get lectured on how being assertive is problematic but then are expected to be very assertive anyway. Pick one. "Mentally strong" nowadays just mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:17 PM
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Good god they're not even trying to make it believable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:37 AM
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Got a reply on one of my last comments here which bothered me a little. I haven't switched sides, sorry bloopers. I think the expectation that men will just snap out of feeling lonely, and it's only his own fault if he doesn't, is extremely toxic. This apathy to young men is what lead to the rise of the manosphere in the first place. In any case, I want to look over some law notes today. I failed an exam needed to become a lawyer last year, and I want to try to pass it this time around in summer…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:34 AM
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Thanks for writing this, it's refreshingly honest and empathetic towards men, which isn't often seen here. We've seen how women's social/dating lives are, and we've seen women try online dating using the profile of one of their straight male friends, only to have their self esteem be in the gutter after a few days. Then men get told we're crazy for noticing these things. A few comments I would make that differentiate a lesbian relationship from a straight male PoV. I won't pretend to know a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:27 PM
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I'd respect it if the lonely women gatekept a little more. Top comment says "there's a loneliness crisis for everyone". No, there really isn't. Many people are socially included, going out on dates, and have momentary periods of solicitude then assume that's what we're talking about. Being isolated has seriously damaged my life for the last 10 years and caused me health issues from the misery and stress it has caused. Lonely women need to differentiate themselves from the women who say "Yeah we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:12 AM
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Neither, they are both fucking shit choices. To pick this post apart, you made one of the choices a boring life with no sex. You then went out of your way to fill the alternative with drugs, crime, and misery, because you knew that doing anything less than that would have men pick the alternative without a second thought. The reality is that Life B lacks real human connection and you'll spend your life forever on the outside looking in at other people being happy. You would only think it sounds …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:07 PM
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It is interesting how a "decent man" has to be good looking, fit, and doing well financially. However a "decent woman" is any woman who has not turned her life into a car crash. These supposedly unobtainable beauty standards for women just mean doing cardio somewhat regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:31 AM
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This matches completely with my own observations. Women have an all access pass if they're at least decent looking, and by contrast people aren't eager to have unpartnered men around, with this sentiment increasing with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 06:18 PM
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I read his post fine and the fact that it is permanent is exactly what I have a problem with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:45 PM
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Women are by default safer to men too. Don't know exactly what you're insinuating here but men DO put in effort and it still pales in comparison to the social inclusion shown to the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:44 PM
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Social opportunities and inclusion. It's very broad. Women get to be strangers who are safe by default, and this has a ripple effect to all kinds of doors being open to them that are not open to men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:38 PM
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I wrote "dating", you read that as only "sex", and juxtaposed that against "company" Dating is both "sex" and "company", both are important, and that is why I'm not advocating for men to give up on dating like the OP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:33 PM
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God fear that you're ever in a situation where you need to build up a new social group. I don't even care that much about people LARPing on here but come on now, you need to think about how people are more cautious around men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:48 PM
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I've explained elsewhere in the replies to this comment how, because stranger men are inherently threatening, they in fact do not get the same opportunities that women do. I'm not upset about it, that's just the reality. But more to the point, you need to stop pretending to be a man on here. Having to take additional steps to show you're not a threat, and having people be colder to you at first than they are to women is a universal male experience, even ftm trans people talk about it. You would …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:34 PM
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No, I don't have a hard time with women also viewing men as more threatening. I used to go jogging late, and when people would hear footsteps and see a young man jogging, some of them would be momentarily panicked, before realizing I was just trying to stay healthy and wasn't doing anything wrong or dangerous. I'm not upset about this, that's just how it is. I've actually downsized my social needs as much as I can. But the OP is suggesting to just be cool with being a forever stranger and never …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:21 PM
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I can't tell if you're suggesting the "just be gay" meme or "the only people who will ever be intimate with you must be paid to do so", but either way you need to stop and recalibrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:03 PM
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What? The time span and intensity is obviously completely different. I'm just telling you bluntly that "just be a eunuch bro" is NOT the option women are being presented with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:56 PM
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We don't hate each other. But the fact remains that stranger men are potentially dangerous and we have to consider very carefully how we present ourselves to the world. Try striking up a conversation with a woman you don't know when you're next at a social venue. Consider carefully whether she would be as warm to me. Now multiply that by every person you haven't met yet, and this is what I mean when I say women get social opportunities that men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:51 PM
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There's a 2 word answer to this; We can't. When women decide to "decenter" men, what this actually means is they don't date for a span of a few months while they focus on something else. They still have access to numerous social opportunities and will be able to jump back into the dating pool like nothing happened a couple of months later like nothing happened. They are still getting all their needs met throughout the course of the year. Calling on men to "decenter" women doesn't work, because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:42 PM
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Oh look, a high effort refutation with supporting evidence is greeted by radio silence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:32 PM
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There's literally no evidence of any kind whatsoever in the OP. It's also very difficult to follow the argument - is your argument the following: "women wouldn't just assume that neurodiverse men are just creepy and weird by default, therefore they are actively doing something that makes them be creepy, such as sharing anime porn, or making unprompted sexual comments"? Because that's wrong. The fact of the matter is that autistic people are viewed unfavorably, strange, and less trustworthy by de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 01:07 PM
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I think "more traditional" is probably the wrong word since it would definitionally be a tradition that the western guy isn't part of. "More attractive" seems like a better analysis. Western people are getting fat and resentful of each other, this makes foreign countries more appealing. Passport bros do stick out like a sore thumb and are often unattractive. But we're in a post-shame world now. Western women are shameless in their demands whilst being unattractive. Everyone knows the western man…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 02:22 AM
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Well yeah, you're right. I'm not eager to hear about women's dating problems when they are minor and transient, whereas mine are major and permanent, and men are told it's their own fault for not picking themselves up by their bootstraps to solve them. You might just have to accept that you're going to receive irritated responses here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 10:45 AM
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I appreciated this since she's being honest, and is looking at dating from a man's perspective, rather than only seeing it from a woman's perspective. There's too many women on here who lecture men about not being good enough, then when they get told "OK, you try approaching then, there is a 0% chance you will be seen as creepy", they recoil in disgust and come up with a neverending list of reasons why they can't do it and it wouldn't work if they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:19 AM
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I read through some of the other comments after typing my own, and as I expected, it's filled with guys expressing similar sentiments of "We've already been doing that and it didn't help even slightly"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:15 PM
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Unfortunately the idea that men who struggle to date are overweight basement dwelling neckbeards has permanently wormed its way into people's minds and will likely never be cast out. It is very strange to me when people talk about self-improvement like it is revolutionary advice. You mean, when you were younger and struggling to date, it wasn't the very first thing you tried?? Personally I was exercising between 4 to 5 times per week throughout my teen years, I went out jogging rain or shine. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:57 AM
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I'm not convinced "deranged boy mom" is even a thing. I have obviously heard of it before but overly defensive helicopter parents aren't gender exclusive. I find it to be far more likely that parents exist who spoil their children, and then the usual suspects get significantly more triggered when that child is a boy rather than a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:32 AM
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His feelings are valid and straight men's aren't. It cannot be helped
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:55 AM
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While I agree with this, I'd caveat that that the guy isn't exactly picking the platonic dynamic. In many cases, women make it clear that the choice is between platonic relationship or they end the friendship. I think this is completely fair enough, but I think that the addition of "no introduction to mixed spaces, no help with matchmaking, no introductions to single female friends looking to date" causes serious problems for the advice that building up a social circle helps. It's about spotting…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:01 AM
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This makes complete sense once you realize that many bloops are here for the sole reason to behave like vultures, and get schadenfreude from other's misery. Admitting that lonely men aren't bad people and can just be a victim of bad circumstances would genuinely suck all the fun out of what they're here to do, so it's no wonder you see them use the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:44 AM
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We've all already been through this ad nauseam. There's an enormous number of insults you can use, the whole of the English language is at your disposal, and the insults "virgin" or "incel" come up time and again, even when they clearly don't fit. Directed at Elon Musk, for example - this is the most obvious case because there's a ton of ways you can insult him and yet they use the one that doesn't fit. I've engaged bloops in discussion both online and irl multiple times and it isn't difficult t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:34 AM
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I'm from the UK and I won't sugarcoat it, it's possible women hate being cold approached by a mid guy here even more than in America. I think it's possible some parts of Europe are the exception and maybe cold approaching still can work there. But in general, women have indicated they hate it, even if you're in a social venue. Because cold approaching is a No, and warm approaches have the problem I previously described, unfortunately it's possible for a guy to get locked out of dating without ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:16 AM
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I don't necessarily agree with this but I don't disagree with it either. Women do date within their social circles but they were open to dating those men right from the very start. You can tell from very early on, and they're usually pretty flirtatious from the jump. In this case I guess they are actually screening for personality to some degree or want some proximity to the guy before they start dating which is fair enough. The men who they're not open to dating did not have their chances impro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:57 AM
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?? I'm fairly sympathetic to not wanting to be called shallow. If somebody asked me for my dating preferences, I wouldn't just lead off with all the physical traits I find attractive. I can tell when somebody is annoyed by what they write. When many women here see lonely men being talked about in a sympathetic light, it's not a simple disagreement, they are genuinely irritated. It is evidently extremely important to them that lonely men are seen as shit people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:45 AM
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It's obvious why many women talk out of both sides of their mouth here. I don't think it's all trolling. If they were straightforward about their dating standards, they would get called shallow very often. I'm somewhat sympathetic to this; if I just listed off all the physical traits I would find attractive in a partner then I'd get called superficial. Women's standards are really high at the moment as well as them setting a minefield of "icks" that men have to avoid. So it's more than just 1 or…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:00 AM
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Guys already do this and it is like putting a band-aid on an axe wound because the rest of society kicked us out without us doing anything wrong. A good social life involves hanging out in mixed gender spaces, dating, and being included. Not being perpetually single and spending time only with the other guys who've been deemed not lovable enough to be included. I don't really feel like launching into a huge debate tbh, because people are notoriously bad faith around this topic. But everyone know…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:07 PM
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And if I recall correctly, you're also married and as such aren't endlessly looking for romantic connection that you've never felt. "Women your own age may have left you by the wayside, but see this isn't a real problem because you can just hang out with your mom" is quite a take.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:20 PM
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I have very good emotional connections with my family. However, if your suggestion to "I'm lonely" is "go hang out with your significantly older parents until they die", then you're not being very candid
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:11 PM
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You've just tried to reduce romantic connection to only sex. Yeah, sure, men don't have emotions or need an 'emotional connection'. Won't lie, when I read comments like this I am alarmed. I wonder if you view all the men in your life as emotionally void cavemen who only want to put their penis in a vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:59 PM
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Men don't really think like this since the risk of being physically hurt or killed in a relationship is much lower for us, and we're generally attention starved so aren't getting sex or attention or sometimes even social inclusion elsewhere. Hence this makes single and alone significantly worse for us, and means that a shitty relationship has to be shitty before men think about leaving. People lambast LVM for sticking it out in bad relationships, but tbh from their perspective it's pretty logica…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:42 PM
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It was actually pretty liberating for me to realize that I didn't actually have nearly as much control over my misery as I thought I did. Take time out and then go back in for more eduction when I'm highly motivated? Doesn't matter, the depression will hit too hard and I'll crash out. Look for treatment for that depression first? Doesn't matter, therapy has no effect and antidepressants eventually make me feel worse. The only thing that would've actually helped was to be more socially included b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:03 PM
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tbh if you're actually fighting a guy, then fair, that's one of the best places to hit him
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:25 PM
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Did you consider that he might be into cock and ball torture?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:16 PM
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"I believe in the free market, except when people decide to not engage with products/services that I like, or when corporations decide it's more profitable to send out political messages that I don't agree with"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 07:58 PM
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Fully half or more of posts here are by sex averse men. That doesn't answer my question. You're assuming that they are sex averse by the fact that they are not having sex? ie the only reason why a man is not having sex is because he's actually (possibly secretly) disgusted by it? Come back after searching the red/black pill term:phrase “looks match” That just describes a man and a woman who are at a similar level of attractiveness. Do you think that the behavior of chasing after more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:11 PM
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I'll be honest, I've actually already encountered 5). Women openly rated the men in their vicinity, the men chose to ignore it. This turned out to be a mistake because, of course, this inevitably turned into a competition amongst the women to chase after the guys they'd agreed on were hotter than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:01 PM
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It's interesting to read sneering posts like these, since initially I was left completely confused and had to reconstruct the worldview that these sentences would imply. And this sub is dominated by men who appear to be in the ACE spectrum, or suffer viciously oppressive religious indoctrination. And some for certain suffer OCD, and find sex and bodily fluids to be disgusting. The sub is dominated by these men? I've turned this over in my mind and the only possible interpretation I can find is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:56 PM
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Clubs are mid at best, I will die on this hill. They're stuffy, play generic music you've heard before, and sell you overpriced drinks. The ONLY draw to them is the combination of alcohol, dancing, and music that's so loud it covers for a lack of conversational ability, all mix together to maximize odds of getting laid. If it was just about alcohol or music, clubs would not be popular. This is just what clubs are about, there's no need for people to be coy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:30 PM
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Only Chad is worth getting out of bed for, it simply can't be helped
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:13 PM
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It's because on female-dominated reddit subs, women often talk about how they hate men and prefer their vibrators. Of course, I'll concede that the problem with this sample is that women who have this attitude are much much more likely to post a lot on reddit as opposed to a true normie woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:12 PM
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I thought it was a perfectly fair point of comparison. Male feelings often aren't taken seriously - if I describe an emotion men feel and it isn't immediately invalidated, I know I made my point really well. Anything less than hitting a home run will result in being told it's a skill issue. There's men who date women, and there's women who date women. There's no other comparison to make, and odds are criticizing how women behave in dating will only be taken seriously if it's from the PoV of othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:38 AM
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When you read stories about women's mental health issues, common threads are that they have people who care and check in with them. They have people who are understanding and it's rare that women are iced out and shown zero empathy. They are not precluded from dating until they solve their issues. By contrast, men are told they need to bootstrap their way up. How can you expect anyone to love you if you don't love yourself? I have only ever heard this phrase directed at men. Men go years feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:15 PM
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Me, I'm 26. During my very early days in uni I had a girl appear vaguely interested in me during a night out drinking. Her and her friend both seemed pretty drunk so I just made sure they got back to their uni rooms ok. She seemed to lose that interest the next morning. That's the only time I've felt I was vaguely close to going on a date, that was over 7 years ago now. To this day I'm still a dateless kissless virgin :/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:18 AM
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Oh, let me explain. My attitude towards single women is not because of resentment nor misogyny. It is simply because of a lightbulb moment. When single women say they can't find a man because they're all totally undesirable, ugly, usually some moral statement about how they are bad people. If you are a man who has difficulty dating, she is talking about YOU. It doesn't matter if you're a good-natured guy who has put effort into becoming a better partner, and is looking for romantic companionship…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:04 AM
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I looked through this femcel sub and found what I was expecting
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:13 AM
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It's pretty clear what you're gesturing at, it's dudes complaining on reddit about women lusting after man who did [objectively awful thing].
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:27 AM
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You have to do a lot of gymnastics to lump the celebrities who abuse their girlfriends, or perhaps even worse, and still have women lusting after them, in together with anonymous redditors who vent online.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:21 AM
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Nobody is insisting on being a needy pathetic miserable loser. I've just presented you with the ideas that a) you shouldn't give the same treatment to all of a psychotherapist patients and b) people have baseline social needs, and you are tailspinning
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:54 AM
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Dude, I did answer your question by picking it apart, you just didn't like the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:06 AM
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I see you just skipped over the part where I mentioned that isolation is agreed upon by psychologists as being as damaging if not more than chronic smoking and obesity. Okay Your question presumes that I'm arguing "actually being miserable when alone is helpful!" when I'm not, which means that yet again, you have strawmanned what my argument is. My argument is that the problems guys here suffer from is completely different to what you are assuming it is. And the reason why I know this advice is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 11:53 PM
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There is no black and white thinking on my end and the guys here aren't attached to their own misery. I never said any of the things you listed in your third paragraph, you are strawmanning me. I said that you are mismatching the treatment to the ailment. If the guys here genuinely couldn't function alone, they would already be dead. I'm very aware of what attention addiction looks like, and it isn't complaining about your problems online while deliberately staying anonymous. You're not dealing …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:45 PM
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While I would suspect that you're not wrong, social media has cranked up the looks threshold and made people chase looks like junkies looking for their next fix. This also doesn't address guys who genuinely don't meet the looks threshold. But yes I've seen guys who aren't as good looking as I am go out on dates. If I posted a picture of myself on here and said I had no women interested in me I would get laughed at. But it is true, the reason why is just that I'm diagnosed autistic. The idea that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:06 PM
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He is talking about people who "NEED to be popular" and constant affirmation right before he says learn to be happy alone. This matches attention seekers/addicts, and doesn't match the men here who gave learned how to spend time alone and have rationally decided that being permanently alone is incredibly unfulfilling. You've stumbled across a piece of eating advice intended for the obese, and are trying to apply it to the malnourished.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:47 PM
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"Can you guys just fuck off and hang out with each other" is kinda how we got to this situation in the first place though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:57 AM
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Just wait until he hears that autistic men are significantly more likely to be victims of crime too 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:52 AM
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I've already done a breakdown of what % of people end up never having sex despite wanting to. Autistic men completely eclipse all other groups: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1f35fzy/this_will_always_be_posts_with_affirmative_claims/lkg9ypv/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:46 AM
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Don't worry, the vast majority of women on this sub agree with you so you're in good company. So long as men don't seek out younger or slimmer women, that's shallow and creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:36 AM
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My other comment is significantly longer but the fact that men are so worried that crying will turn women off is unimaginably fucked. I see the "go talk to a therapist about your emotions because I don't want to deal with them" attitude as incredibly sociopathic, we don't treat women like this
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:22 AM
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It seems every time I talk about male issues on reddit I encounter somebody who's just exceedingly bothered that I dared to do so. I know firsthand male issues aren't taken seriously since at age 18 I stated in unambiguous terms to mulltiple authority figures in my life that I was highly depressed, that I was socially isolated. I received very little in the way of help for this, and was just given a blood test that I never heard the results of. I've tried therapy, I did not find it useful. I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:13 AM
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There's plenty of issues that can be taken more seriously, suicide being the biggest cause of death for young men is a huge one. Steps need to be taken to ensure that young men aren't so isolated with zero support networks in the first place. The issues with current left wing rhetoric is that it assumes young men are the perpetrators and never the victim, and consequently are the cause of the problem. This means all stick, no carrot. Young men with a mental health issue aren't taken seriously un…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:28 AM
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We're so boned. They'd rather watch it all burn down and blame young men, rather than change rhetoric to have a shot at winning
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:11 AM
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He is definitely going to kill himself in prison just like Epstein did when all the cameras go out and the guards are on break
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:53 AM
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I don't have a problem with people being fat or a fat person losing weight. The thing that's irritating in this case is somebody claiming "you just need to do x to get a date", when that thing is something the rest of us have been doing the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:28 AM
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I went running between 4 to 5 times per week in high school, and expectedly, have never been anywhere close to being fat. Never been on a date either. I'm not short but I have other genetically determined issues that are why I can't date. The part he's probably pissed off about, and I am too, is that afterwards we get to hear about how you just have to exercise to get girls. Some of us have been slim the entire time and have gotten 0 (zero) dates
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:03 AM
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The men who talk about sex is a psychological need aren't the same group of men shaming women for having it. The former group are mostly consistent, and the latter group are essentially LARPing in order to try to seem tough on the internet. I've wrote about here before how I don't think anyone actually believes red pill rhetoric, and that it will eventually be replaced by blckpill, and this is another example of it. Just look at what red pill influencers are doing. They endlessly criticize women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:51 PM
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Even unenthusiastic pity sex would be a significant improvement to my life. But it is worth noting that this scenario has been purposefully made as unappealing as it can be. Yes I'm significantly more interested in romantic connection. Somebody who was willing to cuddle with me and show basic affection but not have sex would probably be more satisfying than what was described here. But I don't fall into what I'd think of as the major traps set by red pill content, I'm just one of the men affecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:06 PM
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Thank you, this would be an extremely promising application
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:47 PM
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Potentially. If they aren't working on it by Monday I'm in bad shape
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:46 PM
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It's a problem with the water pressure, unfortunately, I can't pay my way out of this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:28 PM
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The hot water is still not working and therefore I don't have any central heating. I am now taking applications for a gf to cuddle and stay warm with. I will accept higher BMI candidates as additional blubber is currently advantageous
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:22 PM
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Agree with the sentiment here, FUCK polygamy. Horrible idea that doesn't work in practice and never leaves all parties happy. Hook up culture rather than aiming for long term relationships is a big reason why people are so miserable right now, and polygamy is essentially the idea of "hmm what if we just had hook up culture forever"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:41 PM
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God damn that sucks, if this was in Russia it would've been icy too. My hair is longer than it has been in a long time now so showering took longer than it could've been. I remember when I was in Africa for a few weeks they had a bucket rigged up that was overhead with a closable hole in the bottom. I'm hoping this gets fixed tomorrow but if it doesn't I'm gonna see if I can figure out a DIY situation with water bottles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:39 PM
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The hot water is out where I am living today. I heated water up on the stove, poured it into a bucket, and showered anyway. I did this multiple times until I was clean. I deserve extra good personality points for this Thank you for reading
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:24 PM
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No it doesn't. I can just as easily argue that gen z boys and men simply lack the social skills and desire for dating. I'm already aware that you're going to argue men all suck, dating's fine, and all problems young men have are entirely self-caused, don't worry. There's plenty of data to suggest that men have serious body issues. There's plenty of data to suggest that men aren't dating as much as they used to, despite wanting to. But no amount of data from dating apps, no general social survey …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:33 PM
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Stating something is false does not make it false The fact that dating in high school was a significantly more common occurrence for boomers than it is for gen z proves this. I did support my claim. Also a lie. This on the other hand is you not supporting your claim. that's a lie too since women are the ones who fought against body shaming. Why do so many young men keep expecting women to do men's social justice work for them? Incredibly disingenuous. Men actually engaged with talk about unreaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:24 PM
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They're not a couple, these are models selected for a fashion show
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:05 PM
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Yes that's why we see a variety of different body types women, but for men it's exclusively washboard abs and tall. The image below is pretty standard for fashion nowadays. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:57 PM
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This is basically the same argument that people use as to why the minimum wage can't possibly be raised, when we all know it can lol. I feel like it would be so easy to trick you guys into just accepting a completely shit society where everything sucks because you have zero imagination as to how things could possibly be better. Women aren't in some short supply. They just currently have unrealistic expectations of what men should look like, and this can be cranked up or down depending on the med…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:46 PM
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Complete nonsense. Men were dragged into this conversation and scolded for preferring certain body types. A lot of the rhetoric around beauty standards for women was specifically aimed at men, and talked about their "unrealistic expectations for women". If you look at who was considered attractive back in the 1970s, it's going to overwhelmingly be slim white blonde women. I don't actually mind a greater variety in what's considered attractive. But what does irk me is that men are used to having …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:46 PM
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Wasn't what I was commenting on at all. This doesn't engage with any of the substance of what I talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:42 PM
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Women have a HELL of a lot more variety in how they can look like and still be perceived as attractive as opposed to men. Lizzo was extremely heavy and men don't like it when you present them with a very fat woman and demand they find her attractive. But what this does do is open up beauty standards for women in a normal range. Thicker women can be attractive, slimmer women without curves can be attractive. Height isn't that much of a factor. But when you look at men, it's very rigid as to what …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:26 PM
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This doesn't refute anything of what I said at all. I discussed how beauty standards get completely warped to insane levels, I didn't mention anything about forcibly pairing people off. Dating doesn't have to be shit with unreasonably high standards, but to some degree I think that PPDers like that the dating "economy" is so much worse that was just a few decades ago, because if we were still in the boomer dating economy, PPD would have almost no content.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:07 PM
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Well your opinions don't mean much to me, the general population is as quiet as a church mouse when women are talking about societal beauty standards. To this day I have not seen any pushback of "you're not entitled" aimed at feminists complaining about beauty standards. What this results in is one side having free range when talking about beauty standards, and the other being told "you're not entitled" when attempting to have exactly the same discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:01 PM
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This energy completely disappears when people are talking about body standards for women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:29 PM
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This post kind of has the same energy as people who say "Well the economy sucks now, what can we do about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". There's a lot of things that society can do to help with the problem, and we know this because we saw serious efforts to push for a variety of different body types in women to be seen as attractive, and then the ladder got pulled up when it came to men. We know for a fact that it's significantly harder for men to date, find relationships, and have sex than it used to be. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:15 PM
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I won't lie, I generally don't like it. It's obviously possible for a hot woman to dye her hair a really bright color and still be hot, but typically in my opinion it's more likely to be a negative than a plus. I think platinum blonde hair that's obviously dyed can look great, but this might not be what you were asking when you used the term "colorful dyed hair". My politics are pretty liberal so that's not a deterrent for me, but it's also true that some women who are unattractive anyway have c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:17 PM
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Completely understandable, this sub sucks. I wish you the best of luck for the future
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:19 PM
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If women were instead men, they'd simply be the main character of an action movie. Start by saying "She doesn't wanna dance buddy", with a deep growling voice. Does the drunk have a knife? Doesn't matter, grab his arm air-swooshingly fast, flip him round as the camera spins to match the drunk's perspective, now he's on the ground with his arm twisted. Deliver witty one-liner "I see you're a fan of the worm". Drunk rests his head on the ground in defeat. Exit stage with now two girlfriends, one u…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:37 AM
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Throwing hands is literally the last resort option, and yes it's more likely that a man intervening would get stabbed in this situation than a woman. The better go-to moves are try to de-escalate the situation, or, get out of there. I think there have been about 2 occasions where I've been out late at night, and some dude comes up to bother me about something, and I didn't like how it felt, so I dashed full speed away. Weird? Yes, but it was also by far the safest thing for me to do. With that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:34 AM
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Men frequently have women challenging their sexual preferences. This has been the background noise for us since puberty. I don't mind having my sexual preferences challenged as long as women can take it as well as dish it out. The reason why height is such a prickly subject is because not only is it genetically hard coded, but women's preferences are very uniform, and exclusive. Only around 14% of men are 6 foot or over. You wrote that men also like their women to be shorter, I'm between 5'10 an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:10 PM
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100%. People quite evidently can change what they're attracted to. But if they're going to continue being hooked to social media, be completely uncritical of it and never rein in their standards then if course they won't change. To be even more blunt, "hot woman" used to mean slim white woman who was more often than not blonde. But now, there's a far greater range of women that men find attractive. Yet we still see people argue beauty standards are completely inflexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:46 PM
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Pretty sure I'm on the radar here somewhere. I think a lot of people just perceive guys expressing negative feelings here as just venting but for me it's really just the tip of the iceberg
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:31 PM
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The sooner you learn to set an independent standard that you want to achieve, the happier you'll be. If you know 100 people, it's not likely that you'll be in the top 1% of everything. Mind you, aged 18 my grades dropped from straight As to Cs, and I then watched my peers go to Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Stanford etc. So learning this lesson for me was like getting punched in the face by Mike Tyson
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:24 PM
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The vast, vast majority of women are absolutely not ok with being single forever. A lot of their dating behavior is predicated on the observation that they always have attention on tap, and a relationship within reach. Observe how incredibly uncomfortable women become if they are past their early 30s and don't have a husband lined up. I feel like this post strawmans an actual position held on this sub, which is that because women spend a lot of time on social media, where airbrushed celebrity pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:06 PM
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26 year old here, and yes I'm involuntarily celibate and dateless. I see elsewhere in this post you've argued it's an online echo chamber problem to do with the rise of pill content. Ironically, aged 16 I was pretty chilled out and didn't consume any radical content. What pushed me to my current viewpoint was being carefully socially excluded irl, and shown very little empathy. This has had a seriously negative impact on my life for the last 9 years. My new worldview isn't about hating women, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:35 AM
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I have already spent a lot of time volunteering for charity in the past and it didn't make me feel better or give me any sense of fulfilment. Nowadays I don't support the idea of doing any work that isn't paid and in general I support the idea of being entirely selfish in the face of a society that has excluded me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:23 AM
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The equally infuriating version of this is when women say they know what it's like to be a social outcast because they weren't dating in middle school (high school instead 🥺)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:46 PM
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Are those men happy or self reporting that they are extremely miserable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:22 AM
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Even when you narrow it down to people with milder forms of autism, men still have significantly worse dating opportunities than women though. It probably is the case that women are better at masking but I also think that people socially punish women showing ND traits significantly less than they do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:37 PM
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This isn't accurate. Autistic women have a much higher rate of getting into relationships than autistic men do. Furthermore, some guys would love to date a socially awkward woman with unusual special interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:38 PM
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It's interesting how every time the topic of autism comes up, it's always people rushing to explain why the MEN aren't dateable. Men date autistic women and don't behave in nearly the same exclusionary fashion to autistic men that another group does. Feels like there is an elephant in the room that people aren't talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:28 PM
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Autism makes men a target for social exclusion and bullying, this is what he was discussing. Don't worry we all know you don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:12 PM
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I can get surgery, but it would leave scars and my chest would look particularly nasty for a while afterwards. The other element is it's not exactly cheap either, given that I've genuinely never come close to having a woman in my bed, it would just be me pouring money down the drain to get some slash marks on my chest :/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:19 AM
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I can get surgery, but it would leave scars and my chest would look particularly nasty for a while afterwards. The other element is it's not exactly cheap either, given that I've genuinely never come close to having a woman in my bed, it would just be me pouring money down the drain to get some slash marks on my chest :/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:19 AM
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Yep, I'm a skinny guy with gynecomastia, I won't ever look good with my shirt off. Movies are filled with guys who have very low bodyfat and chiselled abs and the body positivity crowd are too fixated on appeasing fat women to care 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:05 AM
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It's kinda crazy how Hollywood hasn't come under more scrutiny for setting unrealistic body standards for men. People are genuinely looking at images of actors who are juiced to the gills with steroids and have bulging veins, then attributing it to just working out and saying they might be natural. It's no longer good enough to just look athletic, actors now have to be so roided out it looks like their muscles might explode out of their body. And somehow nobody seems to give a shit lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:43 AM
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Men don't collude to pretend these things don't happen, they just get pissed when the finger is pointed at them as though they are guilty by association.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:33 PM
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If you think the OP is dumb you are more than free to call her out. Us men are not taking her seriously because she is attempting to claim that women have it harder in dating than men do. Women wanting men to protect them is a common occurrence. You don't get to troll by passing over OP, insisting men all permit harassment, and then also demand that men debate you only in the most serious way possible while you engage in unserious behaviour. If you want to have a conversation about how clubbing …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:21 PM
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Look at the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:01 PM
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If they were face to face I'd probably agree with you. Nobody is trying to date off PPD/twitter though. However, subjectively I'd also rather spend my time showing why I'm a good option as opposed to putting other men down
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:58 PM
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You're correct that men will eventually have to compete with each other in dating. But odds are that men making posts like the one I linked aren't Chad. So if men want to make a point about dating being difficult, they should stop kneecapping and falling over each other while trying to argue that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:28 PM
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I'm suggesting men stop trying to rip each other to shreds in discussions around dating, nothing more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:16 PM
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That's entirely unrelated to what I wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:53 PM
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We're not lions. I'm suggesting the baboons stop fighting each other for one moment so they're not easy prey for the leopard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:52 PM
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The twitter post indicates the fake love was what got him to spend so much money. He's still an idiot, but women aren't attention starved like this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:46 PM
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Re the "The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men" post that talks about the actual issue is average men struggling. The post is flawed from its inception by not realizing that any issue that only affects men will be shelved as a "life's tough" moment. We know as a matter of fact that people overrate their own attractiveness. You can't make it a serious issue by insisting you're a true 5/10 rather than a 3. I think the whole rating /10 thing is cringe as fuck anyway. Men need some mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:40 PM
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It is possible I'm misreading things here, since I've seen one too many people deliver "I'm sorry you feel that way" type of speeches when talking about this issue, my b
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:45 PM
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I'll clarify. You used terms such as "see themselves as", or "feeling alien", indicating that self-perception was at the heart of the issue. My comment expressed that I didn't think it was self-perception, but a mostly accurate assessment of the situation. ie: Instead of "see themselves" as unattractive to all women, I think they're right, and they just are. Instead of "feeling alien", I think neurodivergent men just "are alienated". It might just be me being overly pedantic about phrasing but f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:31 PM
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Feel like this is pretty upside down, the more obvious answer is that there is no "see themselves as". Women just aren't often attracted to men who show any signs of neurodivergence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:10 PM
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The problem with this idea is that the Biden-Harris administration actually passed policies that were good for regular people. Paragraph comparing economic policies is below: Trump cut taxes on corporations and for the richest people, which vacuumed up wealth to the top, while Biden raised taxes on corporations. Biden passed the American Rescue Plan, which was an economic stimulus bill to speed up the country's recovery from covid, it also provided for direct economic stimulus payments to indivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 09:49 PM
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I clarified that. This probably ought to be your cue to pick up that men are also talking about their emotional needs. You can go out and buy a medal too, if somebody's lamenting that they can't win an award, it's not actually about the piece of metal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:34 PM
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Yeah, men are so pathetic for wanting to be seen as attractive. But this is actually a good gotcha, I'll concede that. It's not entirely about sex, it's about the other person consenting without that consent specifically being bought.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:02 PM
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I don't give a fuck if a woman is fat or not, I just find it hilarious that of all the dating issues women could've chosen to rally around, they picked the one with the most obvious and actionable solution. Men everywhere are still dating fat women, but if you're on a dating sub playing defense for an issue that's caused by personal choices, you can expect to have your chain yanked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:40 PM
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The idea is that a gamer girlfriend won't judge you for playing video games whereas a girlfriend that doesn't game might. Idk it's one mutual hobby which is better if she's into similar games to the ones I like. I thought about your Q4A for a bit. I'm from the UK, and I've noticed some people are really into posh English girls (ie ones with received pronunciation). This has seemed strange to me since I don't think British people are that attractive compared to mainland Europe, and what "posh" re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:24 PM
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how tall is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:55 PM
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🤦
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:47 PM
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Literally nobody is doing that already. Doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:43 PM
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Oh, men can definitely be involuntarily celibate. Me hinting at my problems was what got my last comment deleted. Men are happy to include women who don't tick all the boxes in the dating pool, and it doesn't work in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:32 PM
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PSA: Femcels aren't real. Read women talking about times when they were in bad circumstances, they will often write "my boyfriend/husband has been so supportive". They're not precluded from dating, they take it as a given that they are included. I initially wrote more but my comment got deleted :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:22 PM
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Uhh but don't a huge portion of women have main character syndrome? Not like main character in an action movie syndrome, but main character in a Jane Austen novel syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:21 PM
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I'm telling you point blank that women complain about not being able to find a date because they earn too much or they're too "independent" but there is in reality not a single woman on this planet who can't find a date because of those things. They are either dating fine, dating but unhappy with their options, or lying about why they're single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 11:18 AM
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The difference is that ultimately men are very happy to date women who don't meet these beauty ideals. It might be the case that a supermodel is more desirable than an average woman, but men still find the average woman attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:44 AM
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The "bar is in hell for men" just means women will tolerate a huge amount of bullshit from men they already find attractive. This isn't an accurate statement on how things are for the average guy. The "ridiculous standards" women have to face in dating are not real. The definition of a standard in this case is that if you don't meet the requirement, you don't get a date. These standards are issues women complain about on reddit. These are not issues that genuinely preclude them from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:41 AM
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My suspicion is that they didn't like him much anyway, or that the relationship hadn't been going on for very long. The other element is that young women aren't exactly starved for options, so they can find a new date in about a month. I think breaking up with somebody because you don't like their political views is perfectly fine. But furthermore, it's not like your political views just exist in a vacuum, it's not unreasonable to assume they'd gotten into an argument about a related topic befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:28 AM
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It wouldn't be collateral, if you're doubling down on virgin shaming, then chasing young men away from the left would at that point be the intended outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:24 AM
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Collateral damage =/= deliberately chasing young men away from the left. The reason angry young men aren't deterred from the right's insults is that they know ultimately they're still gonna be let into the club. You are aware that right wingers like to pretend they're moderate on social media right? His whole shtick is hiding his views behind a thin layer of irony. If you show them a clip of him openly praising Hitler and they try and handwave it away then you know where this supposedly apolitic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:56 AM
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Well first you need to stop the bleeding, men are increasingly going right wing, left leaning men are telling you how to prevent this. Notice how literally the only people agreeing with the OP are women lol, that's because the men know doing this shit forfeits even more young male voters to the right. So calling out Fuentes for being a Nazi might not have an effect on his supporters, but at least you're not friendly firing. The way you can shame him is pointing out how pathetic he is, his debate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:35 AM
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The difference is that then you get even more red pill extremists. The only point virgin shaming makes is "oh you can be a shitty person, just don't be a virgin or we will make fun of you for it". This primes men to be ready to listen to redpillers who are going to teach them how to get laid even if it's in a manipulative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 07:29 PM
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Oh my God, it's like she's trying to push left leaning men towards the far right. Meanwhile Fuentes doesn't care about women doing 4B because he was never interested in dating women in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:04 PM
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It's funny because literally all women on this sub think the link is strong as steel, then try to disguise this opinion 100 different ways when they get pushback on it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:56 PM
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Well, because you should shame bad behaviours and not virginity. Women aren't arbiters of morality, with this logic you're basically stating that Trump is fine because he has had sex, but that slightly awkward progressive dude in your sociology class? Piece of shit. Here's something you didn't know: Nick Fuentes is gay and closeted. There's a video of him from 2019 going out on a 10 hour long date with a fellow far right activist who wore cat ears the whole time, CatBoyKami. CatBoyKami also stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:48 PM
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I can relate to this take. I actually like talking with people and am much more easy-going irl than I come across as on here. However, the responses I get in return make socializing a completely unrewarding experience. It's not really a surprise that people who get readily invited to parties end up being more extroverted, and the people who get continually left out end up not wanting to socialize as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 09:16 PM
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Bad experiences can change people's personality, sometimes permanently
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 09:07 PM
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You don't learn relationship skills or gain experience from getting rejected though, this is how the downward spiral starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:22 PM
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If "this year, became a medical student" means he is 19, that's last stop for normieville. But yeah the "rejection brings you closer to the one" take is bullshit. People actually pick up skills by dating and then breaking up, continual rejection means you don't get to develop those relationship skills. Oh, and it hurts exponentially more each year.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:21 PM
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This is a very reasonable point of view and one that I have been advocating for a long time. A lot of red pill content IS extreme in its nature, and while there have been substantial efforts to censor it, there hasn't been any effort to try to get men back or build a counter narrative, which is why censorship hasn't been very successful. Feminists currently heavily dislike talking about male issues. It is like fingernails on a chalkboard to them. Talk about the high male suicide rate is met with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:31 AM
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Yeah this post doesn't understand how humans actually work They are socially awkward, lazy, addicted to video games and pornography This is a product of women's high standards, not something that happened independently. Previously, young guys had a fairer chance to socialize because almost all communication was done face to face, and consequently people would just end up talking with whoever was nearby. Smartphone communication lets "mid" guys be cut out with laser precision - meetups/social eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 07:07 PM
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Ultimately, it's how rules are applied that makes or breaks them - this I can acknowledge. Although incel viewpoints are far from the only reason why many topics in this sub have been ruined, and my concern is that some viewpoints are going to be overmoderated while unresearched "all lonely men deserve it 🤪" slop will still be allowed. But your reply is somewhat reassuring in that I will have to see whether moderation actually pans out like a plain reading of the rules would lead me to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:38 AM
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That's correct, the actual red pill influencers actively engage with this though. My speculation is that the likely outcome will be that viewpoints arguing it's either not real or an entirely self-inflicted injury will be allowed, while posts arguing to the contrary are not though. To be clear, on a debate sub, I strongly believe this is the worst outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:06 AM
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Pretty much, I can't really argue with that. I wouldn't actually mind increased moderation if it lead to strawman/insanely bad faith takes being restricted, but then the changes seem to run in totally the opposite direction. I will likely be looking around for other subs where the opposing viewpoint isn't given the win by default via the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:39 AM
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I mean I can skate just inside of the lines of whatever the rules are. The problem is that the way the rules are written, it would appear to just hand the win in the discussion to one side of the debate by banning the opposing viewpoint - more specifically that the male loneliness epidemic is both real and not a self-inflicted injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:30 AM
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I'll try to keep this short, I am extremely disappointed by the new proposed moderation changes. In particular: complaining about a group's lack of prospects or difficulty e.g. male loneliness, I'll be direct, if you're going to deny that the male loneliness epidemic exists, you're not red pill either. Red pill influencers are acutely aware that there are a sizeable number of lonely men struggling and market their content accordingly - overmoderation of this topic kills useful discussion on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:20 AM
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Do you have a problem with Trump deciding he's just gonna make people listen to his music playlist instead of answering any questions during his town hall?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:35 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1f35fzy/this_will_always_be_posts_with_affirmative_claims/lkg9ypv/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:36 PM
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That's correct, the term "incel" was originally invented by a woman. The fact that lonely women are vastly outnumbered by lonely men should tell you something, and that's considering that incels are only a small minority portion of the actual subset of lonely men. Foreveralonewomen had to ban men from trying to date the women, oftentimes their "foeveralone"ness is just transient, and people don't express nearly the same negative sentiments towards late bloomer women as they do to late bloomer me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:49 PM
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I think Q4[Men or Women] gatekeeping is pretty reasonable since I don't want a bunch of men jumping in to talk about a question aimed at women or vice versa. But Q4[Pill color] gatekeeping is really stupid because few people line up perfectly with one of the pills and in any case asking people with very similar viewpoints about a topic is an invitation to circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:30 PM
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I have a slight problem with the linked post because it draws the line slightly too early. From all that I've been able to see, there's a phase between last year of high school to first year of college, where you're still in normie territory if you haven't dated or had sex yet. But after that point is when things get really tough, so the actual cutoff is probably about 19. There are multiple reasons for why it's important: Young men have the highest sex drives by far out of any demographic, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:20 PM
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Woman can still benefit from dating as a teenager, but there are two reasons why it's talked about less: 1) Men are expected to initiate in dating, and take the lead. Ironically, it would be a lot easier for women to do this. In any case, women are very unforgiving of men who can't do this past their early 20s, hence the need for men to get some prior experience (especially when the stakes are low). 2) Women, if they wanna date in their teenage years, are mostly doing just that. There's not real…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:03 PM
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Explain to me what "drip out" means Explain to me how OF cam girls are relevant to the topic of how people use online dating apps Explain to me how knowingly paying for porn, and having your feelings used for entertainment are equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:06 PM
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He's saying that if men had an app which would pair them with women who craved talking with them, they could use that app as an instant source of validation, and afford to be extremely picky, men would probably enjoy "being social" too. The problem is that it's disingenuous and manipulative to purposefully maintain sexual tension because it provides more entertainment. The reason why men have justifiably negative attitudes towards online dating apps is directly because of the negative interactio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:47 PM
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WEAK dodge. The fact that it is fictional strengthens my argument. Women could've chosen to write a story about and subsequently get horny to anything. They CHOSE to get horny over a romance novel with abuse as the keystone piece. And it isn't just a fascination with fictional violence either - for whatever fucking reason women are also obsessed with true crime series that frequently romanticize serial killers. There is clearly a problem that stretches beyond just a few women sending nudes to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 11:32 PM
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Lack of money isn't a punishment either. So I'm sure that by following the exact same logic through, you're fine with large corporations having financial incentives to behave unethically, which in turn makes life shit for everyone else. It might very well be the case that I choose to behave ethically anyway. However, incentivizing unethical behavior is in itself unethical. Being cool with bad behavior being rewarded, is extremely close to actively egging people on to do this shit in the first pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:11 PM
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Alternatively, you could consider not making excuses for these women. If it was "some", ie a small number, I'd ignore it. The problem is that they're not an outlier, they're just at the tail end of a very clear trend of women being obsessed with sociopathic men. 50 Shades of Grey is a story about abuse of power, an abusive relationship, and abusive sex. Literature critics unanimously think it's badly written, which is exactly what you'd expect considering it started as Twilight fanfiction. It ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:55 PM
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I want you to know that even though I have bested you in this argument, that I still have more respect for you and your mental health than an abusive Chad ever would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:44 PM
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Actually, I remember some women who had shitty bfs. The women weren't bad people, they'd just mixed up being nice with letting people walk over them, and didn't seem to be aware that they had the tools to punish bad behaviour from other people. Bad behaviour that isn't punished, pretty much always persists. There are two reasons why this "ALL men are abusive jerks and it's just sour grapes from the unattractive ones" line doesn't sit well with me. The first, is that obviously I don't like the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:30 PM
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cool cool would you be the guy to treat them better? I would, actually. I hear about guys continually cheating on their partners because they have so many options, or using women only for sex and then ghosting them. Dunno how good I'd be, but I can definitively say I would treat women better than that. It's worth pointing out that the OP is being strawmanned in the replies here. He is making the comparison between: a woman chasing a conventionally attractive man who has a ton of other options, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:00 PM
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People who don't suffer negative consequences for their bad actions tend to keep doing them why would the handsome yet abusive jerk change if women are going to keep giving him n+1 chances?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:54 PM
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The OP seems to try to genuinely understand the problem, a lot of commenters on this issue certainly do not try and do that. The problem is that you can't really separate the two. There are two prongs to this, the fact that depression hurts your ability to form relationships (the part that blue pillers love to bring up), and how you can't really cure some types of depression without addressing the sexual issue (this is the part that blue pillers loathe when somebody brings it up). I will define …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 09:04 AM
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*EXACERBATE. The word you were looking for was included in the OP in the last sentence, are you sure you read it through fully? Incidentally, if anyone is wondering why people spend years depressed despite asking for help, the sentiment of "ignore the depressed person on what they need, you know better than they do" is a huge contributor to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:07 AM
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I think it's an interesting post, it was probably highlighted because it has more effort put into it than most. You can probably extrapolate it across reddit subs, or at least to any sub to do with dating. We essentially see the same attitude mirrored across various dating subs that: women expressing negative attitudes towards men's dating behaviour = justified anger, whereas men expressing negative attitudes towards women's dating behaviour = whiny self-inflicted injury incel attitude. I am uns…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:01 PM
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They're not admitting anything because there is no logic, they do not genuinely believe any of the 3 maxims as absolutes. The sooner you have this realization that too many people in this space aren't arguing in good faith, the better off you will be - I have changed my arguing style specifically because of this. You will notice seriously different reactions if a girlfriend/wife loses attraction to her boyfriend/husband than if the positions were reversed, despite the situation in question being…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:49 AM
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Using arguments about the modern age that rely on natural selection is inherently fallacious. "Mother nature" also does her work by killing off the unfit - it therefore holds that anyone who has had their life saved by modern medicine should be castrated as in a state of nature they would not be able to reproduce. Another problem of looking at the world through the lens of natural selection is that it inherently justifies murder, as the victim wasnt strong enough to successfully defend against t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 09:32 PM
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I understand. She means the average redditor probably knows a number of completely dysfunctional people, and the redditor thinks they look normal by comparison. But of course compared to the general population, they're still very much not normal. They just think they're vaguely normal because their point of comparison is other people on reddit rather than the genuine average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:04 PM
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Hmm, I think this goes slightly too far for my tastes. The evidence, from both my linked post and the study above, suggests that autistic women do struggle. But the hurdle seems to be surmountable. It's reasonable to talk about the issue, but they take up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth talking about their problems. The part that men get upset over is that all the data I've seen suggests that neurodivergent men, autistic men in particular, are when comes to their dating opportunities, str…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:45 PM
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"men are the gatekeepers of relationships" you need me to repeat the TRP narrative? women have easy access to sex but not to relationships. if you've never seen this, that's really not my fault. Yeah. They're lying. I meant to outline this pretty clearly, but nobody believes 100% of all red pill talking points, otherwise they'd refuse all medical treatment in favor of punching boxing bags, and then promptly die. This line is a c0pe, because it lets red pillers pretend they will have some degree …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:13 PM
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I agree with this. Disturbingly, men with antisocial personality disorder seem to do much better in dating than autistic men do, despite being a significantly greater threat to another person's wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:47 PM
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they say "men are the gatekeepers of relationships" This is a full on c0pe and always has been. The next goalpost shift is that men gatekeep marriage, which is also wrong. The honest answer is that women have extreme social power, but that is difficult to admit for the macho wannabe crowd to argue without it clashing with their persona. At the above comment, you've deliberately set a really high bar for success by defining it only as a successful marriage. Having opportunities and either blowing…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:44 PM
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They try to socialize the same amount. The difference is that people let autistic women socialize way more - people are significantly more forgiving of women showing autistic traits and tend to give them as much leeway as they can. Autistic men trying to socialize have to deal with deliberate and calculated punishment/exclusion from people who have far more advantages socially than they do, to a much greater extent than their autistic women counterparts do. Neurotypical women in particular tend …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:28 PM
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I'll keep this as short as possible. It probably is the case that there are some men who don't want to date high income women. But it is absolutely the case that if somebody is on reddit bragging about how they're high income, self-describing themselves as "intimidating", and spends an excess of time talking about male insecurity, they are 100% a completely unbearable person to be around, and there is little doubt in my mind that even their own subordinates hate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:51 AM
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Ah, ok, thank you, I understand now
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:24 AM
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uhh I think something might've gone over my head here, but those are all reasons I'd pick a Western country - she'd already have those by living in the economically developed European countries I mentioned in my second paragraph. In the Middle East I don't really see how I could provide any of those, which makes it a non-starter
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 03:38 AM
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I think dating when the other person can't really have their own life sounds pretty miserable. I'd want the woman I'm dating to have autonomy over her own decisions and education, and access to abortion if anything goes wrong (ie terrible timing with pregnancy, or medical complications). Also I'm not religious and don't want to have to pretend to be. For those reasons I'm picking the West. However, the problem with some Western country's attitudes to dating is that we're extremely hierarchical -…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 12:16 AM
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Men who fall for scams or hang out with a bad crowd then get knifed typically don't have an outpouring of sympathy for them. With regards to the OP's point about nightclubs, I'm inclined to agree that bad men have a higher proclivity to go to nightclubs than the average man - it's either dark or there are strobe lights = bad visibility, and obviously there's a lot of drunk women. If women think going to the club is a shitty experience because they have to be alert and watch their own drink like …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 07:01 PM
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Yes, because I'm not actually completely terrible at reading people, but the problem is that I might second guess myself which wouldn't be easy to deal with. I can socialize and make judgments based on body language, but it requires significantly more concentration and effort than a neurotypical person. Consequently I've already decided that clear verbal consent is really important for me and I'd tell that to anyone I'm with, and that if they want to stop or do something different then I'd great…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 08:19 PM
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I'm am not blue pill, but I can clearly point out that blue pill isn't simply an absence of either red pill or black pill beliefs. If it were, then you wouldn't see people assume that if somebody is struggling to date, that they have a bad personality which drives other people off. The blue pill isn't deterministic. Genetic determinism is a core element of blackpill beliefs, not blue pill. The blue pill will instead assert that you have free will over how easy or difficult dating is. Both red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:16 PM
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I'm gonna steelman a bluepiller's position here. It's reasonable to assert that the linked story is bullshit or heavily embellished, because 6'5 is statistically a rare height yet supposedly both the OP and his sister's BF are 6'5. His claim that he's all of better looking and more charismatic than his sister is ???? weird. A guy who is all of 6'5, a doctor, and a Henry Cavill lookalike is easily in the top 1% of male desirability yet just appears on demand for the OP's sister. None of the peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:46 PM
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Yeah I mean the issue here is that at this point I'm actually a pretty compliant person. If I could go back in time there'd be maybe 2-3 people total I wish I'd yelled at but that's about it, and there'd be 0 point in going and doing that now. Zero inhibitions whatsoever and I'd just be talking IRL about how miserable I am which obviously would only result in my problems being made worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:47 PM
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Pretty much. Not like there's a good option though since being undesirable and very agreeable gets you ignored, while being undesirable and anything except very agreeable gets you ostracized. This is essentially the underlying problem behind talking about male loneliness: phrasing it in a restrained and gentle way leads to people ignoring it, while doing anything except that leads to accusations that lonely men are all pieces of shit who deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:36 PM
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I have a reasonable number of male friends, I've found maintaining a huge social circle to not really be worth it. Mixed answers to the second part, mostly no but they're not exactly permavirgins like myself Yes. My friendship group back in uni was mostly women but now my friendship group is mostly men. Yes. Ironically the time I've really been the odd one out with regards to relationship status was at a family function. All of my cousins had brought their date along. Before I get the response "…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:36 PM
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Query: how many women here feel attacked when the topic of weight comes up, because they're overweight, yet are partnered up anyway? I don't know the answer, but it's a lot. You're acting like climbing a stepladder, and climbing Mt Everest without any equipment are essentially the same activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:12 PM
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Getting slightly more attractive and more likeable, while this was goal complete for you, was step 1 of n+1000 for the men talking about this issue. I personally did all that and more and it did zero for my dating chances. If the ""advice"" stopped at reasonable expectations, the OP would've never made this post in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:15 PM
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This is a gross oversimplification. You don't need to be locked up for the consequences to be damaging. An unsuccessful approach can result in a woman thinking you're weird. She then tells your friends that she thinks you're weird. Now you have a bad reputation in a place you might frequent. A lot of these descriptors like "weird" or "creepy" deliberately blur the line between socially awkward and potentially dangerous. There's numerous ways you can be negatively impacted based solely off of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:57 PM
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Well I don't necessarily accept that but I'm not going to go around on reddit telling people what their experiences are. If you think porn has a negative effect on you then watch less of it. It isn't the great evil the OP is arguing it to be, and if anything is just a scapegoat to avoid having the tricky conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:06 AM
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This also seems highly plausible. I also read some articles just now on microplastics potentially causing ED. The "widespread ED is caused by porn addiction" take has always seemed like a shaming strategy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:59 AM
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To the point about porn consumption causing erectile dysfunction, there is no scientific consensus on that at all. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/sm2.70 I've done some reading on the studies that suggest the opposite, and the links are tenuous. While it is true that the rate of erectile dysfunction among young men has increased recently, so has the rate of antidepressant usage. Erectile dysfunction is a known side effect of antidepressant usage, there is no debate to be had on …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:22 PM
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If you're just gonna come out and admit that this is a troll response, then ok, I didn't think it would be that easy. Re bluepillers' ""advice"", it's usually just a long laundry list of accusations that any man struggling doesn't know what a shower is and only views women as pieces of meat. I'd genuinely be hard pressed to think of worse advice I've received than from some dipshit redditor pretending they're popular, on a dating sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:18 PM
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That's precisely why this is a shit "debate" strategy. I've had multiple people try to use this on me, expecting a disgust response when they suggest that I just go fuck other men. But I don't feel that way, I've met a lot of people online in the LGBT community and gay sex doesn't elicit an emotional response from me in the way that the would-be baiter is hoping. However, telling straight men to just go have sex with other men comes across as homophobic, because it suggests that gay men could ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:11 PM
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I think you've assumed the person saying that is arguing in good faith. They aren't. They're typing that with a shit-eating grin on their face, because they're trying to a) bait you into saying something homophobic, or b) reduce any emotional distress you might feel to just getting your dick wet. A huge portion of the blue pill response to the male loneliness epidemic are deliberately just trying to troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 08:51 PM
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Hi, my condolences that you got that reply. I can tell by the tone that the person who wrote it was purposefully trying to upset you. Autistic 26yo khhv here, I can't tell you that it gets any easier, but I can tell you two things. Firstly, that the people who write these comments are pretty much always mentally disturbed and sometimes dangerous - I received a condescending comment from somebody on here a few days ago, so I looked through his comment history and found him admitting to raping a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 09:15 PM
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Even with a neurological disorder I can tell you're angling for some takedown here. Being too agreeable didn't do me any favors when I was younger because conventional wisdom says when boys feel really depressed they start misbehaving and I didn't fit that profile. Consequently all the authority figures in my life assumed I'd just snap out of it which of course I didn't. I didn't actually like talking about my autism on here until relatively recently, but when I saw how women on this sub would t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:02 PM
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It's both. The way the average person dates is building up their social circle which simultaneously improves their dating opportunities. How women perceive me socially puts my dating opportunities in a headlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:20 PM
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Mostly just being ignored, sidelined, and placed into a box. It's difficult to describe exactly but I'll give it a shot. I have Asperger's Syndrome and for the vast majority of my life I've sensed that something was slightly off about me, then consequentially made considerable efforts to be more agreeable than most people in order to make up for it. The results of this are weird. Women don't view me as a threat, and the vast majority of people I've met throughout my life seem to think I'm good-n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:41 PM
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Flowers would feel a bit weird since it's not something I'm really into and I'd then have to take care of them and water them. Setting up a romantic candlelit dinner would feel amazing, and smaller gifts that do match what I like, such as dark chocolate, would be very much appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:03 PM
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*YOU'RE all, not "your all"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:32 PM
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I think there are two main factors that play into this. The first is the obvious point that a woman observing the men that she cares about is in itself a biased sample. Attractive men who have women interested in their lives are of course significantly more likely to be successful when dating. The second reason is that, based on my own observation, women who both want a date and aren't able to get one either lost the genetic lottery extremely hard or actively shoot themselves in the foot at ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 03:40 PM
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I just about to post how I thought I'd dug myself into a deep hole until I saw this 😐 Surely there is some kind of trauma here, but even when I was feeling at my worst I haven't gone out and spent hundreds of dollars that I already owe, on tattoos
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:45 AM
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If you wanna link that thread that would be good since I cannot find it, but this isn't an acceptance of your characterization of the thread, or that a "dad bod" means the build of an average joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:51 PM
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In relation to the survival of the fittest/sink or swim sentiments expressed here recently, both genders aren't treated equally in this regard. We pretty continually see body positivity targeted exclusively at women, mainstream media is happy to talk about shallowness and objectification as long as it's targeted specifically at the sexuality of straight men. All of this is backed by large corporations, who wield unimaginable power. I remember being sent the message that you shouldn't be shallow …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:39 PM
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I'd kind of be awestruck that a developed Western country with all its advantages for women still wasn't enough, honestly. I don't think women would be justified in trying to dunk on men in home country since they still have the better end of the deal in dating here. If this actually happened I'd probably start tying a noose if I couldn't figure out a plan to immediately migrate to a location in the world where this wasn't occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:50 PM
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In this situation, do I get easy access to relationships in my home country? Does this country of Chads all speak fluent English or do the women have to learn a new language? Is this country nearby or is it significantly far away such that travelling there requires time off work and planning? Is there somewhere I could fly off to that has attractive women but I voluntarily choose not to because staying in my home country is significantly more convenient? If the answer to the first question, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:27 PM
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Well I'm glad to be informed I don't have any feelings that aren't to do with my penis, I didn't know that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:24 PM
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Following this logic through, would the only legitimate male suicide awareness efforts come from those who are already dead?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:21 PM
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Men want partners rather than just prostitutes, and as I've tried to explain to you numerous times male feelings are more complex than just whether we're having sexual intercourse or not
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:13 PM
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LONG history of being unwanted. Makes zero sense why they would pick me instead of an attractive celebrity. In fact, rethinking this, if their dying wish is to have sex with me that probably means they have brain damage which means they can't consent which means I have to say no 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:07 PM
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Do you think being socially isolated is a serious issue? Let me strawman your position, ask you to stop all crime first, and use victims as a cudgel against men who have absolutely nothing to do with any of the things listed in the first paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:02 PM
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The answer is yes but I would be REALLY confused
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:51 PM
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Yes I would be willing to date a fat woman. I'm back from plugging in a bunch of numbers into BMI visualizers. Anywhere in the obese category (30≤x<40) is fine. I am willing to date heavier than that, ie morbidly obese, if she is willing to go out on walks with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:53 AM
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No Yes Yes assuming I have access to euphanasia if I'm left alive and in a terrible state 100% yes if I can pick the limb, I would choose to lose left arm. Undecided if I can't
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:35 PM
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Another exhibit in men's problems not being taken seriously. Family and friends is not the same as having a relationship. The ancient Greeks understood this, using different words for different kinds of love, but recently it became convenient to play bad faith and pretend that spending time with your parents cures the need to ever have a partner. The current line that men should be happy never going out on a date and don't have any emotional depth beyond getting their dick wet completely disgust…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 06:57 PM
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The reason I and many other men said we'd rather be in an abusive relationship than be lonely isn't because we don't take abuse seriously. We do. The problem is that the rest of society has absolutely no idea how painful social isolation to the degree that some men are suffering from it today is. Attempts to voice this, even in very delicate ways, are met with mockery and abuse. All things considered I'd rather at least get a relationship out of the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 06:30 PM
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No. I'd rather go out on some terrible dates at this point than not be able to go out on any dates at all. I'd draw the line at a date who will try to murder me, mutilate me, get me wrongfully imprisoned, or infect me with an incurable disease. People seriously underestimate how harmful loneliness is. I'd take going on some bad dates over complete loneliness any day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:06 PM
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I wanted to make a post that would discuss some of the prejudices that are aimed specifically at neurodiverse men with regards to dating. Therefore, I searched up "autistic men" on a bunch of women-dominated subreddits. But the comments I found genuinely got under my skin, and I did this entirely of my own volition. I basically did the emotional equivalent of lick my finger and stick it in an electrical outlet. The content was out there whether I searched for it or not, but clearly I'm in a self…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 06:12 AM
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There was actually a point where I fell depressed at age 17, and my grades plummeted from As and A*s to Bs and Cs within the course of a few months. I definitely wasn't the smartest kid at my school but it does make me wince at how much easier things could be now for me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:49 AM
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Trying to figure out if I'm including in the "womanhating men" category since I've been venting here more than usual recently 🤔 50/50 odds probably as I'm definitely not a feminist but don't ragepost either
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:46 AM
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I've always made efforts to be friendly and agreeable. This post just gave me a flashback to HS when the effect of that was the girls felt comfortable talking about their periods in front of me. 😭 Like it might be the case that I won't get an ick from it but can we at least pretend that you don't view me as a eunuch
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:20 PM
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I don't have periods of feeling good. I have moments where I feel really bad and moments where I feel less bad, but feeling actually good occurs almost never
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:41 PM
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As sure as I can reasonably be. I had blood tests a while back which of course revealed nothing, and the symptoms I've had for a long time now are all completely consistent with depression
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:33 PM
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While I won't lie and say I always have all of those under control, there's been plenty of occasions where I have a good sleep routine, am eating well, and am physically active but still feel terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:30 PM
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I'm open to it but there's limits in terms of how much I'm prepared to rework my lifestyle based on internet advice
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:17 PM
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Thank you, I might try another prescription although long term I'd still expect similar results to what I'm currently having :/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:03 PM
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Don't wanna make this too long of a blogpost, but a while back I said some positive stuff about getting on antidepressants here. I regret saying that. Even after talking to my doctor and increasing the dose, my mood flattened out and I've gone back to feeling shitty again. So now I feel shitty and also have the side effects of antidepressants. Dunno if this falls under woe-is-me posting but antidepressants haven't been very effective long term and I wish I'd thought harder about getting on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:38 PM
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Oh ok I get it. The real solution to male mental health is to just throw them all in prison, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:01 PM
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I've literally seen men here and in a large variety of other online spaces carefully explain that they desire emotional closeness and love rather than just inserting their penis into a vagina, only to have this dismissed as just emotionally shallow horniness, so I'm gonna take a guess and say that what I just described is occurring significantly more frequently than men saying "yeah I don't actually have any emotions and really only care about sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:58 PM
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This comment is completely upside down, and again, you're STILL proving the point I'm making. You've deliberately chose to paint lonely men as "mentally ill, abusive, or just plain bad people", and thus contributed to the problem. The media didn't invent jack shit regarding this. The media ignored this issue for as long as they possibly could, and when the issue got so large that they couldn't ignore it, only then did it finally get the smallest amount of attention. Again, my accusation was that…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:50 PM
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There's been plenty of news articles drawing attention to men's lack of close friends. The fact that this comment skips over any emotional benefits of a romantic relationship and jumps right to the conclusion that it's all about sexual intercourse demonstrates what I've been talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:36 PM
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Men DO have social skills and are looking to address their own mental health - notice how literally every time there's talk about male mental health, feminists are there to pour cold water on it. Socially people are significantly more welcoming to women than they are men, and the downstream effects of this are that men can get really isolated while desperately trying not to be. Men are patiently trying to explain this issue while feminists are plugging their ears and shouting over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:30 PM
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This kind of proves exactly the point I was making
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:25 PM
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Well that's literally contained in my first post here: I wanted feminists to stop actively going out of their way to shut down any and all conversations about men's mental health. Essentially any time there's a conversation about something that's actually difficult and pressing for a large portion of men (read: freedom to wear dresses and paint nails doesn't count), a massive amount of effort has to be expended fighting against bad faith criticisms, concern trolling, and outright dismissal. As f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:21 PM
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They're not obligated to participate, feminists are actively CHOOSING to participate and shut down these conversations or dismiss them as not real, kind of like you're choosing to do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:09 PM
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No, but a significant portion of the population insisting men only care about sex, dismissing that men have any emotional depth, and having zero interest in conversations involving male mental health other than tone policing if not outright shutting them down certainly throws a spanner in the works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:05 PM
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Painting men as sex obsessed and emotionally stunted is a huge contributor to the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:59 PM
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Indeed they did, and the response was that the problem was entirely between men and self-inflicted by men. Somewhat interesting that men not talking about their feelings is toxic masculinity but when they do talk about their feelings, they're sex pests :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:47 PM
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Not related to any recent post here but the number of feminists who specifically went out of their way to shut down talk about the male loneliness epidemic as either not real or entirely self-inflicted, was genuinely really disheartening. Men's mental health was finally getting some much needed attention and discussion and they reacted like it was the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:10 PM
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The author of that article has been buzzing angrily about the 2018 general social survey data for years. What he doesn't mention here is that the GSS changed their data collection techniques from 2021 onwards. Whereas previously they were in-person interviews, now they're filled out using webforms. This means that if a group of people really doesn't like answering questions about their sex life, they're going to respond to this survey less frequently from 2021.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:32 PM
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It's correlated with other highly undesirable traits too, which is why fixating on this one thing rather than a balance of traits can be counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:26 AM
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I'm interpreting this as him saying that women being maximally selective with regards to confidence can impede their ability to select for other traits which may prove to be more valuable for a long term relationship. As with job interviews, sometimes being a little nervous can prove to be a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:05 AM
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My initial comment made it clear that I was talking about advice which had a baked-in assumption that the person who was receiving the advice was generally behaving in immoral way. I pointed out that advice which hinges on this assumption instantly becomes worthless if the person isn't actually morally reprehensible in some way and that was the issue with a lot of the dating advice men receive currently. Your immediate response to what I said, shifted the term "good" to instead mean "good at [da…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:54 PM
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This literally doesn't refute what I said at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 10:54 PM
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This seem somewhat tone-deaf considering my initial comment that this chain is responding to. Men looking for dating advice are looking for actionable things they can do that would improve their dating chances. The issue here is that advice which is predicated on the assumption that they're morally bad people constitutes chaff which must be sorted through. MongoBobalossus has attempted to shift me using the term "genuinely good" in an unambiguous fashion meaning morally good, to instead mean "go…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 10:17 PM
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The problem with a lot of the dating advice for men is how accusatory it is, and makes a number of really negative assumptions. This doesn't factor in how it makes men feel, but how useful the advice is. If you assume the man asking for advice is fat and slovenly, has no social skills, and only views women as sexual objects, then if none of those apply then the advice given is entirely worthless. The advice shotgunned out is just not helpful at all, and a lot of men have remarked on this. The co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:04 PM
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As part of the lonely male demographic, I'd feel good if I got a hug from a woman, even if she were somebody I wasn't particularly emotionally close to. It wouldn't instantly cure my depression but it would momentarily make me feel better. I'd probably feel confused at first but if she explained that she felt men needed to be hugged more I'd be grateful. I think the responses to this are somewhat telling, ie: "You're not supposed to do that, they're potentially dangerous, and you're supposed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 09:34 AM
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You've excluded some comments from your analysis there, there are multiple comments that mention the effects of social media/dating apps. "Confidence" is a feedback loop and is often used as an opportunity to circlejerk on this sub, the problem is that if somebody loses confidence in themselves because they were rejected a lot, confidence will be blamed as the only problem when it clearly wasn't even the initial issue that caused the downward spiral in the first place. A big part of why I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:57 AM
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This is literally the exact argument Ben Shapiro uses to argue that racial minorities aren't structurally oppressed in the 21st Century
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:01 AM
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So now you're claiming that autistic people aren't discriminated against or suffer institutional bias as a result of a protected characteristic. OK! Dude, this facade of caring about disabled people didn't hold up to even the tiniest amount of scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:50 AM
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Wow I'm glad to know that any sort of structural analysis or considerations of prejudice go out of the window as soon as it's love and companionship that we're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:38 AM
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I'm autistic, have suffered calculated social exclusion because of that fact, and will remain autistic for life. I think that the reason I am held at arm's length is because I have this disability, and have noticed that high functioning neurodiverse men are a disproportionately high % of the group of people that are completely excluded from relationships. I think it's disingenuous to hide a lack of sympathy for socially isolated people behind fake sympathy for disabled people, because they are o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:25 AM
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Notice how blue pill men will claim to be against "toxic masculinity" but then will have zero issue using a concept of failed manliness to shame people they don't like. It is an extremely common occurrence
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:10 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1e2fp55/men_who_want_to_hookup_are_ruining_modern_dating/ They're at it again 🙄 It simply cannot be this difficult to understand that having plenty of options and then filtering out the bad ones is an achievable task and a significantly better position to be in rather than having zero options. This has to be an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 02:55 AM
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Believing that somebody is not being honest about what their dating standards actually are, and putting in work on your personality are not two mutually exclusive things. Men didn't just fall out of the sky a few days ago, we've been able to see the men who women are lining up to date. While it isn't 100% about looks, looks are a bigger factor than the vast majority of women are willing to admit, and a lot of the remaining factors are also genetically determined. I'm a man who is mildly autistic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:53 PM
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You're basically just admitting that you're willing to call people bad friends when they don't act precisely how you want them to act lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 01:44 PM
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Bad take, you can't assume that the man is always surreptitiously planning some scheme when he wants to date one of his friends. Also, ending the friendship doesn't make you a bad friend, that's a neutral action. You don't seem to have a firm grasp of morality - you can't call somebody a "bad" anything unless they make another person's situation worse, or they broke some kind of existing obligation (you can jump through a million hoops but the latter will never apply here). People think that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:57 PM
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The frequency of priests sexually abusing children is much higher than in the normal population. "10% of Catholic priests were pedophiles and still counting, 20 to 200 times more than general population" https://cityofangels8.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-stats-10-percent-of-catholic.html I've looked at multiple articles regarding this. The first problem is that sex crimes from the Catholic Church are underreported, and the second problem is that when the Catholic Church does address pedophilia, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 01:15 AM
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The massive number of sexual abuse cases by members of the Catholic Church have made me feel very differently about vows of celibacy, in the sense that I'm more suspicious about the people who take them. It's possible that a genuinely good person would vow to be celibate, but that doesn't change the fact that actually yes a lot of mentally ill people have taken a vow of celibacy and then inflicted lifelong trauma onto children and had a powerful institution attempt to cover it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 11:01 PM
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I recently had the opportunity to read a woman's journal entry. I did not do anything unethical to do so, it's publicly available, linked to in her social media, and she wasn't shy about even attaching her own name to it. However, I won't be linking it here and I'll be omitting some details in my thoughts on it here to protect privacy. It was quite illuminating, and at times infuriating. She wrote about being under heavy pressure from immigrant parents academically when she was younger, of feeli…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 01:09 AM
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It has interested me how women can have structural and societal problems, but for men the problem always has to be within himself, with the possible exception of a problem that's caused entirely by other men. The reason why Red Pill content has had such a surge in popularity is because a lot of men have shitty lives right now. Male loneliness epidemic, high male suicide rates, men falling behind in education, are all serious issues right now, while the mainstream school of thought shows complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:46 AM
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The point was specifically that he picked out men who were decent looking and seemed to have good personalities. The usual retort to men who complain about dating is that the options women have all suck. The post proved both that it was easy for a woman to get a date and that the options don't suck but actually seem to be quite pleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:23 PM
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Hypothetically, if I were able to pose as an average dude and get a bunch of dates with decent girls in 18 hours, it's a small snapshot of a small sample size. I could have just gotten lucky. I really need to stop you there. Getting about a half dozen dates with decent girls in less than a day for relatively low effort is so far removed from the regular guy's experience, it isn't just "lucky", it's like lottery winner odds lucky. I'd be less interested in how representative the sample was, and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:51 AM
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If I posed as a man for 18 hours and got results different from many men have said to have experienced, would that invalidate their experiences? No. That's silly. Actually, if you posed as a man who was vaguely average (read: no male models), went on any dating site and had arranged dates with multiple decent looking women with tolerable personalities at the end of those 18 hours, then I would actually have to re-evaluate how I view dating dynamics currently. Only caveat is no claiming to be vas…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:20 AM
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Greetings, it's been about 8 months since I last posted here and I doubt anyone remembers me, this thread interested me. I've been taking zoloft on the advice of a doctor and had some basic talking therapy sessions. A few months after starting to take zoloft I began to feel shitty again and after talking to a doctor again we agreed to double the dose. Now, I am starting to feel shitty yet again. Am I supposed to just take an ever increasing amount of antidepressants forever? Lol... I don't think…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 06:49 PM
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It’s meaningless because men age, too, and most of them look older than women their age because of thinning hair, giant pores and thick skin, and a lack of interest in sun protection. Correct. I'm not part of the crowd that thinks men age like fine wine. Always been bullshit. And those sunspotted, leathery balding men still chase women their own age because younger women prefer men 2-3 years older, not 10+ years older. The age gap doesn't have to be over a decade. A guy who's 36 or 37 can marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 10:44 AM
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Again why would I as a woman want to be with a man who would go after someone else because of looks? Because when you picture what you find attractive, it's probably not a guy who's balding with crow's feet around his eyes. If he wouldn't date me now he'd probably be cheating as we grow old anyways. Most men don't cheat, but they will be trying to pick the best option to wife up. Unfortunately, how attractive a woman is, is one factor in that decision. I'd rather surround myself with people who …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:31 AM
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You're dependent on your looks far more than you realise. What I've learned from posting here is that women assume to some degree that people being warm and friendly to you is the baseline. That is to say, that if they aren't, it's because you've done something to make that not the case. But this just isn't true. Here's the reality: You get a whole range of social privileges for being a young woman. Those advantages slowly grind down as you get older. This isn't such a bad thing but you don't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:17 AM
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1) Losing virginity in 1st or 2nd year college is pretty normal. You were never an outlier. 2) At this point in history, none of the social dynamics caused by women being glued to their smart phones every waking moment since puberty, were in play. You wouldn't know about this since this story is from decades ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:44 AM
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If you need to add this many disclaimers then sorry you don't actually like men being emotionally vulnerable. It can't be too soon, about something that makes you feel uncomfortable, can't be too vulnerable, and you have to otherwise be a strong and stoic rock. Also all women are different so you might just get judged negatively anyway. To be blunt I don't think there's anything men can do at this point. I don't see how you can type this out and not realise it's unreasonable for men to have to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 08:28 PM
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This is a sleight of hand, since we're not in the early 20th century anymore, there is not a woman still alive who was part of the suffragettes. 2023 Western feminists have it very good and that's in large part because 21st century society (including men) decided to take them seriously rather than slap down their issues and mock them every chance they got. Expecting a degree of support for men's issues rather than immediately slapping them down is an entirely reasonable expectation from feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:51 PM
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I wrote a shorter response in the same vein but yes, it really irks me when we watch society use affirmative action to help women, and free women from more traditional gendered expectations, only to have them immediately pull the ladder up from under them when men need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:26 PM
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Ranging from affirmative action and supporting women's movements on the macro scale, to socially including women on the individual scale, men as a whole make significant efforts to try to help women. Men even care more about women than they do about other men. When women raise complaints about institutional power, these are taken seriously at the highest level (affirmative action benefits white women more than any other group). When it is time for men's issues to be talked about, they have their…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:16 PM
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Remember, it's only a small minority of guys who are struggling with dating. This is why male dating problems have received coverage from mainstream news outlets, the red pill has ballooned in size, and people have been constantly talking about ink wells for nearly a decade. ...might be better to accept the loss on that talking point at this stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 04:22 PM
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Thank you for the feedback, seems most people prefer clean shaven
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:27 PM
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I think I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:23 PM
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Beard, stubble, or clean shaven? Update: Clean shaven currently winning by a landslide
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:13 PM
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where does she say this bro. i didn't even read it this way. i stg im not trying to argue with you She states that the "society is created and run by men is not beneficial to you", immediately leading off with talking about patriarchy and saying that feminine traits are punished. She never considers how society accepts and includes women but excludes men. IE she's not considering that this has come about because women have privileges and advantages men don't. is it that it's the reverse, and ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:02 AM
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She never says anything more on fem issues, just in its contribution to the male issue. She says feminine traits aren't respected and immediately starts talking about patriarchy. She couldn't take off her feminist glasses for one second and try to see things from the male PoV. She couldn't even approach the topic without defining it as "men are suffering because men have too much power", as opposed to "men are suffering because they lack privileges in this axis". Mass murder is a symptom of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:06 AM
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getting included in what. and who is nobody supposed to be. society is 50% men so this would be implying that men dgaf about each other as a baseline? Men often view each other as competition. Men are often viewed as dangerous. Consider carefully how people react to a man in distress vs a woman in distress, they are much more likely to immediately want to help the woman and be wary of the man. When women have a problem, people rush to help. See any number of initiatives set to help women out in …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:15 AM
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She's completely wrong. The reason why men are suffering is simply because nobody gives a fuck about them. Women assume other people caring to some degree about your wellbeing is the baseline. It isn't. Women get included socially and sexually, men don't. It's that simple. And if you think otherwise, consider how she would have reacted had somebody mentioned the wage gap and a commentator had said "just work harder" and smiled at the camera. The fact that she felt it was appropriate to be so jov…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:45 PM
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This is a pretty good example of manipulation. PPD men did high n count women = bad content on like a bi-weekly basis. Personally? I don't care and have never cared that much, I just don't want a partner with STDs. I found it pretty boring from the jump. Women respond with the same thing every single time: it's none of your business who I've fucked in the past and it doesn't matter. Eventually PPD men get bored of it. Move on, think maybe there's more important things (there are). The MINUTE the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:12 PM
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Yes, VERY frequently. Being a straight male means jumping through endless hoops to get the attention you crave, and it feels like the more effort I put in, the further away I get. I pretty much associate my own sex drive with suffering now and I'd love to dull that sensation or remove it entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:57 PM
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I'm fine with it. The context that most Westerners are missing is that groping and harassment on trains was/is a major issue in Japan. The vast majority of Japanese men just want to get to work on time and don't care if women want to stay in a separate carriage. The reason Westerners don't like it is probably because it feels like you're having a finger pointed at you. But honestly I'd rather have that, than be in a mixed gender crowded carriage during rush hour and have everyone around me be ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:13 PM
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Think it's definitely smarter to avoid talking about it since people aren't gonna tell you they're gonna be judgemental in advance. Related, I wonder which is the higher: The proportion of men who are bothered about women having a high n count The proportion of women who are bothered by men being virgins/very low n count
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 11:20 PM
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Of course! If you had to work absolute min wage jobs with shitty conditions until you were late 30s, would you feel jealous of people who had just stepped into a cushy well paid office job right out of college? You're both ok at 40 so what does it really matter? Dating in your 20s is low stakes and gives people a chance to find out what they like, what works and what doesn't, without having to make major life choices surrounding that. The flip side of this is that women are negatively affected t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:41 PM
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Loneliness on the other has an emotional charge to it and is a matter of peception. You can be alone and not be lonely. You can also be surrounded by people and be lonely. Sometimes perceptions are accurate and sometimes they aren't. Somebody who knows they're being stalked feeling paranoid about being watched is thinking rationally, somebody alone in their home who feels like they're being watched 24/7 isn't. Interpretating everything as "not having your emotions taken seriously" isn't really a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:36 PM
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She's clearly conventionally attractive, she's just not the type I'm personally into. I don't like it when I'm supposed to consider Hollywood's latest photogenic white woman a flawless 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:13 PM
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that's not depression. what you're describing is feeling uncomfortable or feeling sad. Not having a girlfriend/boyfriend can lead to feeling sad, that's not unsusual or unheard of. Losing your mind over it however is a sign of some deep-rooted and untreated childhood trauma. This isn't accurate and is some major gatekeeping, there doesn't have to be some childhood trauma. When I talk about men not having their emotions taken seriously, this is what I mean, and we know this issue is a gendered pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:07 PM
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The problem here is there's plenty of people who get depressed about not getting laid, then do get laid and immediately feel much better. I can easily think of about half a dozen people I personally know who were miserable, got a gf, and then almost immediately became much happier. With regards to your other comment, there are indeed people who don't have problems getting laid who are still depressed. They're depressed over something completely different. If somebody felt depressed because of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:33 PM
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"You don't need it bro" - people who have already got theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:57 PM
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Oh no, I understand it perfectly fine, I've been in areas with a reasonable number of homeless people. I'd wear cheap clothes and wouldn't have valuables on me but they'd beeline straight for me anyway. And some of them can be very persistent, on a couple of occasions when I didn't wanna deal with it I've just dashed off. Here's the problem: describing my attempts to socialize without being a functional eunuch as akin to being accosted by a beggar isn't going to make me more sympathetic. People …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 08:12 PM
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The data says yes: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ Be wary of selection bias if you are going by your own observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 10:53 PM
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Personally I've never had much difficulty making friends. I'm not somebody who needs a really active social life but it's really quite easy: just be generally agreeable and find some topic of mutual interest to talk about. You'll find friends. This is of course because friends don't have a hundred different tests and hurdles that you have to pass with regards to looks, frame, status etc. I guess maybe stumbling into a relationship is just that easy for them? I suppose they're just not listening …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 03:34 AM
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Lmao this is so twisted. “Most of us are going to have to “live with” the fact we aren’t “exceptionally attractive.” SO ARE MEN! I've already made my peace with it. This is why I don't have ultra high dating standards. I'm pointing out the group of men that women are collectively chasing is much smaller than the group of women chasing them. This is a numbers problem, plain and simple. I wonder then, whom out of these two would feel MORE ENTITLED to “nitpick” preferences & standards. 🤔 Men are si…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:45 AM
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The blunt answer is that most of you are going to have to live with the fact that you're not exceptionally attractive. Being normal is okay, but it means that women all hyperfixating on the small pool of attractive men doesn't work, there's not enough to go around. This causes the smaller pool of men you are chasing to develop golden penis syndrome. This is a known phenomenon where the men who do receive lots of attention develop giant egos. Meanwhile the less attractive men stay very inexperien…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:06 PM
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I make friends pretty easily. Doesn't substitute for a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:50 PM
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"this side". I also vote left btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:56 PM
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Lol what doesn’t seem right is your blatant misunderstanding of progressive politics. Out of say 10 of my closest male friends who I’m exemplifying in this, not one supported Bernie in the primaries but if you have such little understanding of things, I guess simplifying everything makes sense. I picked the progressive candidate who had the greatest chance of winning in the last election. I hadn't considered that you'd all split your vote up, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:33 PM
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You're really telling me that every guy you know who voted for Bernie in the primary (Or Corbyn if you're over here) is having no issue dating? Something doesn't seem right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:05 PM
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This genuinely baffles me since I know plenty of progressive men who have been deemed completely unfuckable and a lot of guys with thinly veiled very right-wing beliefs who do just fine. Political ideology really only detracts from sex appeal if you fall into the category of highly conservative geek.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:57 PM
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I'm using the word gaslighting because I'm pretty sure you know how important having emotional intimacy and experiencing your sexuality is and are not being candid about it. Yes, people usually don't do great in their first relationships, which is why lots of guys not dating has a terrible snowball effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:33 PM
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My point is pretty directly that pretending that you can make up for not dating, not having romantic intimacy, and not experiencing your sexuality by having some friendships is straight gaslighting. Re the last comment, most heterosexual people want a nuclear family so this is the rule more so than the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:16 PM
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You'll find most people want more than a pat on the back and genuine romantic relationships are pretty important for wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:02 PM
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You say that, but if women are convinced they can get a 6 or 7/10 by waiting, the 5/10 seems less appealing. Being at least palatable to her friends is really important too. I think a lot of the issues guys here have is that they were vaguely in the ballpark of "average" but had to deal with the isolation that comes from not being picked earlier, and now seem like a less appealing option. Similar to how the last piece of chocolate tends to melt and stick to the bottom of the box.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:59 PM
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Some people’s “art” is just icky tho Yeah... I at least respect when people are out there doing their own thing, even if I don't personally like it. I'm also lumping movie reboots that are much more political than the originals into this category. There's just something that feels low effort and slightly disrespectful to the audience about doing this. Not that the linked song particularly bothers me but it's a big trend nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:20 AM
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I think when people want to create their own art and have a political message that's totally fine by me. I think when people take somebody else's art and add their political message to it, it feels slightly tacky.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:01 AM
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I think when we look at headlines such as: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ Our reaction ought to be closer to "societal problem" rather than "just bootstrap harder losers". There's not really an easy remedy for this though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 01:56 AM
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Perhaps so. But there's a lot of negative effects that can come from social isolation and this is only one of them. I think current social conditions with many young men being isolated provide the circumstances for misanthropic views on the world to spread very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 01:32 AM
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While this is all true, I think a number of guys have just had their brains broken by being single too long. Have to be sceptical of everything, can't just accept that a woman is willing to be with them because they had the opposite idea reinforced for too long. Continual social/sexual isolation causes long term issues and this sort of distrustfulness is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 11:58 PM
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Yes, agreed. It isn't useful discussion either. I'm firmly on one side of this issue and I'm not budging. But the complicating factors are: Learning a new language, and how proficient you should be before you start. Economically supporting yourself in a foreign country, and for how long before/if returning. Best ways to expedite the transformation from complete alien to getting married. Doesn't seem useful to just start hitting up nightclubs to find a wife, but you don't have social connections …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:41 AM
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I think we might need to slow down on passport bro discussion :/ I won't lie even as somebody who is planning long term to marry overseas I'm getting a little exhausted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:19 AM
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There's no need to talk about how much greener the grass is on the other side, if you're already surrounded by green grass. Women have a very good deal dating in the West. Low beauty standards for them, plenty of economic opportunity, and no cultural barriers. Women pretty continually "date up" in the West so there's no need for them to travel to do so. Kpop has become increasingly popular, and some Western women really want to date asian guys. I think that's great, although from what I've seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:18 PM
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Now is probably a good time to explain that studying cinematography and having a good amount of money are in 99% of cases mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:31 AM
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WHY do they almost never go to economically and socially stable countries? Passport bros go to economically and socially stable countries reasonably often. Japan and South Korea are fairly common locations. There are blogposts pointing this out from a while back, that men could go abroad and "date up" in terms of attractiveness, from both sides of the for/against aisle. The old rhetoric against was unpolished though and didn't provide a convincing answer against men doing this. The new rhetoric …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:51 AM
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We both know this is an ego defense so I'll let you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 08:46 PM
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You just said "Amazing how positive this guy is" about somebody who shot himself in the head and posts continually about his depression. I feel sorry for him, I hope he gets better, but "positive" is objectively the wrong word to use. You called him "positive" because you couldn't pick up on from the paragraph he wrote in the OP below the image that he was clearly troubled by how he looks now, and you didn't check his post history. You got served up a softball and missed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 08:36 PM
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Hi, he looks that way because he shot himself in the head. This would be a pretty good moment to re-evaluate the assumptions you continually seem to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 08:17 PM
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Fixating on casual sex is a strawman. Do you need to be fucking around and building up that n count? No, and it's probably better that you don't. The issue is that, increasingly, young men aren't entering relationships or having any sex. Humans aren't built to be socially isolated and yet large numbers of young men are having that happen to them. I'll make this clear: friendship held at arm's length isn't going to be the cure to this. Furthermore, who determines what a real problem is? You're ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:07 AM
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Don't worry, I monitor the news across multiple countries already. Tiktok has been banned in numerous US states, and in April this year, Montana has banned it on all personal devices. This is primarily for data protection concerns (which are also a huge issue with social media) but yes it's an example of social media being banned. The UK has legally required porn sites to verify the age of their users as being over 18 as part of the Online Safety Bill - there's zero reason why this can't be exte…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:44 AM
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You ban social media for everyone under 18 so people haven't been addicted to it for a decade plus by the time they're in their early 20s. Instagram does more to harm young people than porn so it doesn't make sense to allow them to use it. You can also just stop taking it for granted that young people are just going to behave completely hedonistically when it comes to dating - most cultures aren't like that. There's a considerable amount of irony in telling me that people can't respond to delaye…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:11 AM
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Having a societal configuration where people weren't laser-focussed on short term pleasure was entirely possible before social media took over. Young people are always going to think more short term but now that people have shorter attention spans than most goldfish, naturally the short term is all that matters. This isn't a biological limitation, it's a societal one. Not all cultures are as fixated on personal hedonism as the US + others either. The consequence is people think dating is just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:52 AM
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The solution is people view relationships as more commitment based from the outset rather than as hedonistic fuckfests. Trying to date and connect with people cultivates and rewards the attitudes and skills you want when you're older. The current hook up culture attitude to dating works antagonistically to what women are looking for when they're over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:31 AM
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They can and don't. Men should address this within themselves, not be upset that women can and do. It's an easy fix. What? The solution to some people being excluded and unhappy is not exclude more people. The only reason I'd want to see more young women feel the same pressure that a lot of guys on this sub do is because when women have a problem, it generally receives empathy rather than mockery. I have zero interest in the crabs in a bucket, more suffering = good mentality. It's a system Ameri…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:35 AM
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The reason is because mediocre looking young women still participate in dating and have a good time while they're young. Men generally don't exclude women from dating. However, young women readily and happily exclude young men. While I'm sure that the people having a party and fucking around while young are having a good time, the designated sober driver is not terribly pleased with this arrangement. The not very subtle implication that career success is vital to being worthy of love doesn't hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:05 AM
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The difference is that men still go out on dates with more average/plain looking women while they're young. Men generally don't exclude young women like the reverse. The message sent to young women is not "Go sit in a corner until I have a job for you to do".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:38 AM
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I look fairly normal, but you would never get me to discuss my dating problems in real life with somebody who I suspected would judge me. Most guys who struggle aren't going to freely admit to it, particularly around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:42 PM
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Hmm that's reasonable, there's less safety concerns than there are doing online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:08 AM
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That's fair, I think showing pictures beforehand can help dull some of the major concerns I have. I can see why it works for men. The part I'm still not understanding is how it would work to be appealing to women, women typically have a lot more dating options than men do so somebody else picking seems counterproductive from their perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 02:56 AM
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Genuinely a major concern I have with blind dates is that I dress up, agree to pay for the restaurant in advance, and then show up to find my blind date is disgustingly obese. With people's attitudes to "body positivity" this isn't too far fetched either. I think an issue for women is that they have dating apps and like being picky (which means doing the picking), and for men the concern is that the women who want blind dates are probably quite unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 02:41 AM
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This is certainly because of enduring less harassment. This is a true and substantial advantage to being a male but in terms of getting dates, social networking, or getting people to be co-operative with you, women have the advantage in all 3 aspects listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:10 PM
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This is the feminist advice of "stop being so toxic and just be gay with your homies bro" on steroids. I googled the coaches and they are not coming from a redpill perspective. I don't actually mind people doing stuff like this, since they clearly enjoy it, as long as it isn't marketed as some kind of mental health solution for straight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:04 PM
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I'm generally sympathetic to the safety concerns women take. With regards to the social advantages, it's become apparent to me that women on this sub assume their advantages to be the baseline. But not everyone has people eager to socialize with them. See: FTMs suddenly experiencing everyone becoming colder towards them. Being a man has a fuckton of disadvantages that they've brushed off as just "men not having good social skills". To make matters worse, when women are thinking "what would it be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:44 PM
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I don't enjoy this logic too much. Men for the most part don't have an easy time dating, it's time and effort intensive to get that initial attention. Men also generally have higher sex drives than women which means getting a date is a high priority. Consequently, when men do get rejected, if they want that date they've got to move on and keep trying. This just means that women who aren't a dating option won't be as high of a priority as women who are. When a guy is close to get a date he usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:45 AM
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I had an absolutely WILD argument yesterday with a user who claimed that being fat was equivalent to traits that could only be corrected with invasive surgery, and that being fat was the equivalent of not getting expensive cosmetic surgery. The main reason I'm not very sympathetic is that fat acceptance gets so much airtime in the media but objectively more serious issues get the sound of crickets or the sight of tumbleweeds rolling past.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:00 PM
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I agree with this sentiment. It's pretty easy to say you don't need something when you're confident you won't go without it and it won't be taken away from you. It also flies in the face of what I've seen, because generally when women do go without validation or attention, they tend to get very upset about it. Covid lockdowns are the best example of people getting upset when the attention they were used to was suddenly taken away from them. We won't get a better example of sudden isolation than …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:49 PM
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Yes if fat people stay fat, ultimately it's a free country and they can do that. I am not sure why you called rejecting anybody even slightly overweight eugenics though, since again, the obesity epidemic is about diet and exercise. This isn't genetically hard determined like being short or autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:17 PM
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I am aware of that. That doesn't change the fact that the sloppy habits crew are a few jogs away from being dateable and the genetic mutation congregation are screwed no matter what. And were I to find myself in the former category, I would just be grateful I was not in the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:05 PM
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Autism is a genetic mutation that can occur even with 2 neurotypical parents. Shortness is caused by genetics. The obesity epidemic in the USA is caused by diet. If the shoe was on the other foot in this scenario and women insisted I had to go jogging 4 or 5 times a week to get a date, I probably wouldn't be too happy about it but there are worse things to be selected against.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:49 PM
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The two archetypes that people love to dunk on in online spaces like this are either: The unfortunate combination of unattractive + overly agreeable. Ironically, the cure to this is to tell the people who want you to keep proving your niceness to fuck off. The guy who genuinely doesn't handle rejection well. He is in fact not very nice, and leaves an unkind message after rejection for the woman to screenshot and post for reddit karma. Big picture? He's a small fry. The people causing the big pic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:15 PM
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Likewise, I sometimes wonder if a lot of TRP ideas would be taken more seriously if they were framed in more left-wing terms and didn't have as much jargon, given how men's issues in sex and romance has been monopolized almost entirely by the right. I doubt male issues would be taken more seriously in any case or situation. To take an example of one of the problems you presented: Problem: Women get too much attention (or the wrong kind) in sex and dating. Men don't get enough. The mainstream is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:37 PM
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My apologies, I didn't realise you had symptoms like that, those are extremely difficult to mask.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:56 PM
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I'd highly recommend googling every symptom of autism, matching that up to your own behaviour, then purposefully avoiding doing those behaviours at almost any cost. Sources: my "friend" recommended it to me My "friend" also stated that if he lets the mask slip at any point, that's the exact moment negative treatment begins, and you can spot it with pinpoint accuracy. I recognise that this isn't exactly an optimistic comment but masking is pretty important to survive as an autistic man and while …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:53 PM
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Interesting post and thank you for linking it. I don't want to hijack your post but in my last comment here, I talked about how it's pretty difficult to have a useful discussion when the other party unironically thinks you're a bridge troll. This is exactly the sort of attitude I was talking about, and it has over 4000 upvotes meaning approximately 4000 people saw this and thought "yeah this lines up with how I view the world". She never considers that actually not everyone has free access to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:42 PM
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Been reading a lot of comments from some women here regarding single men. From how often the obesity/zero social skills/horrible personality charges are levelled at men, it seems clear that they believe that if you're a man who can't get a date, it's because there's something seriously off about you. Not just a little difference. Men here will be able to verify that this isn't true, that you can get continually rejected just for being a cut below average or having one issue that wouldn't be a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:49 PM
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Listen I don't know what this has to do with dating but if you're making a video game, that has a female protagonist, and she isn't hot with huge jugs I'm not buying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:29 PM
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Redditors would be enraged if I made that argument in good faith about a whole range of social issues. As long as you make that argument about loneliness and it's specifically directed at straight men it's just common sense though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 06:08 PM
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Now, I know problems like unemployment or food security are becoming increasingly common in the modern age. But the average 50th percentile person doesn't have those issues so they're not a problem. You just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, there's nothing structural going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 05:33 PM
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Hmmm perhaps everyone spending ages on social media every day viewing photoshopped and filtered pictures has changed people's dating standards. Nope, dating standards were always like that, nothing to see here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:20 AM
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Actually my standards have been shifted by seeing overweight people in the media all the time. Whereas previously I would've liked to date somebody of a healthy weight, I've shifted to settling for anything lighter than obese. Yes, you'd propose a law that either bans photoshop or requires that a label be added to all photoshopped pictures. You'd require social media sites to demand proof that their users were 18+ or ban them so that girls wouldn't be browsing instagram non stop since they first…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:17 PM
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It does affect things since it normalizes the issue in question. IE seeing whales in the media everywhere makes chubby look normal by comparison. I find it difficult to believe that you're not seeing how this works. Conversely, browsing instagram for hours every day makes blemish-free skin and perfect beach bodies seem normal. You'd regulate beauty standards by extremely tight regulation of social media and use of tools that instantly detect when an image has been photoshopped then flag it up as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:29 PM
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Then stop plastering objectively unattractive women across the covers of magazines and stop talking about "oppressive beauty standards" for women. Like I said, the problem is society has to pick a lane and it just refuses to do that. I think the massive rise in woman's standards recently has more to do with social media and societal conditioning than something innate. The 90s weren't oppressive dark ages but the data shows we didn't have widespread sexlessness back then. So there are two approac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:11 PM
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Men weren't the ones who first started to try to disrupt beauty standards. That would be feminists, although they seem to forget this when this topic comes up, unless you point out that what women have to do to be seen as attractive is a hot button issue for them and is very oppressive. Please just pick a lane regarding this topic. The "sink or swim" attitude for men cannot exist at the same time as "beautiful at every size" for women. As it stands, I think a country where there aren't lots of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:49 PM
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This is because there is a continual dodge and roll re this topic. That it's always about having a good personality, while ignoring that the unspoken bars you need to clear to be attractive in the first place are typically much higher than the personality requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:16 AM
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The answer I feel comfortable giving is I had minor issues and those snowballed. Graduating from university right into the covid economy didn't help much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 12:54 AM
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You are correct. I had just noticed an absolute flood of very similar threads re this topic pretty much as soon as the purge started, which suggested to me that people were waiting for more lax moderation standards to really sink their teeth into this topic. As it stands I don't believe anyone is actually that stupid to claim that dating, romance, and sex aren't important and I see it as a troll argument, because explaining that ultimately humans are primates with complex social needs rather tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:40 PM
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It's ok all, we already had the disingenuous strawman posting about "you're not entitled to sex and it isn't a need" during purge, you can stop now, haha. Holding hands with your homies definitely fulfils the same needs as a romantic relationship we got the message lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:23 PM
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I'm glad we could use the purge week to have a dozen different threads on sexual entitlement 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:17 PM
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We're all on the same page they know what they're doing, and that nobody is this stupid to think that humans only need air food and water and nothing else. But we keep having this debate because "human beings are social animals and being isolated sexually or socially in the long term is very damaging" isn't easy to explain and it doesn't sound as punchy as "sex isn't a need".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:13 PM
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There's no rule stating that women can't approach. Men can't expect to be approached and get frozen out of dating way harder than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:32 AM
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Rejecting fuckboys is fine and whatever but I don't buy into the idea that 100% of men out there just want to cum and leave. A key difference here is women are actually making decisions about what they want, men below a certain cutoff point are just taking whatever they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:19 AM
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Feel like I'm being gaslit very hard in the thread re complaining about suitors. Women here (and on other dating subs) often admit they get attention, and then argue that the attention they're getting isn't from attractive enough suitors so they don't want it and it isn't useful. This is a pretty common line, but the top level replies all state or seem to imply that they don't see women complaining that the men who approach them aren't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:03 AM
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So are all the other categories of men on here other than the redpillers who want 5 girlfriends at once allowed to keep complaining or nah?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:35 PM
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They aren't attracted to me and I get nothing, what now?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:22 PM
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Here's that post where a woman is pushing an extremely negative perception of all men and ideas that blatantly harm relationships btw. The one that falls under the category of 'accusing them of things they haven't done, projecting upon them things that they're not, talking about how "men are X" and "men are Y"'. I noticed that you were looking for a post like this approximately 2 to 3 hours ago yet commented on this post 6 hours ago, so I thought I'd just remind you that this post existed since …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:28 PM
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The people who do this are not arguing in good faith. The reason they do this is because then you have to argue that sex is important and then they will reduce your concerns to purely about getting your dick wet. Of course you then have to explain that humans are social animals with a strong need to be loved (ie more than just comradery), this isn't an easy thing to do when the other party is deliberately being obtuse throughout. I have seen this play out exactly as described dozens of times her…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:17 AM
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This is due to the fact that guys aren't the ones picking and choosing dates, excluding the ones at the top. Men aren't exactly inundated with options so they can't afford to just discard the ones they do have, if any.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:36 PM
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I understand people shouldn’t believe everything they read on the internet. But not everything that’s being questioned or out right denied is unbelievable. This isn't strictly wrong but what seems believable to you might seem very unbelievable to me. I typically tend to lean on some kind of studies or data where I can, since if I don't I'm likely getting sealioned anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:13 PM
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Anecdotes and personal experiences have their places in forming your worldview. However people are highly motivated to lie on the internet, where it's completely unfalsifiable and the whole point of the sub is to try and win arguments against each other as you mentioned. The flip side of this is that I (straight male) continually have my own personal experiences invalidated. There are a couple of things I refuse to talk about here since I know for a fact I'll have those experiences not only disr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 09:52 PM
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Why state these men will become a danger if the ‘problem’ is ignored? So these men are criminals biding their time? Vengeful monsters biding their time? Entitled crybabies biding their time? I only described to you what young male syndrome is. It's a known psychological phenomenon and your problems with it shouldn't be taken up with me. Again, not a threat. It's a known psychological phenomenon. If you want to say "everything is fine" then that's what is predicted to happen after. Building a lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:58 PM
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You can’t have it both ways either these men are actually dangerous and should be treated as such or it’s a threat for attention. Actually yeah you can have it both ways because unless you're going to be locking people up for thought crime you can only punish people who have already done something wrong. The problem is it's stochastic and you expect more crime, just without knowing precisely who is going to do it. I'm not threatening anything, I'm stating that in the same way crime increases wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:10 PM
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If you search up "young male syndrome" then you'll understand that having no partner and being unemployed drives men to engage in risky or violent behaviour. Accusing people of being violent because they have one of those traits is reprehensible but saying violence, aggression, and risky behaviour will become more common if there are lots of unpartnered young men drifting about is entirely correct. Society typically relies on young men to do the jobs everyone else doesn't want to and society rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:41 PM
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Statistics are neutral. There is zero blame for victims, even when those victims were in the process of committing crimes themselves. Think about who you are communicating with here before you accuse me of a lack of empathy. I don't think you're a bad person but good god you are not coming across well here. Women are routinely blamed for their own rape. “Why did you go there/why did you drink/why did you leave your drink unattended/what were you wearing/did you lead him on”. The angriest portion…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:04 AM
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The point is that society cares less about men. They don't have access to the same support networks women have, and they can't count on anyone to step in and help should they need it, they're less likely to have people looking out for them. Consequently, men have to do all this for themselves, and it's sink or swim. The downstream effects of this are that men get killed by strangers significantly more, yet here you are with a bee in your bonnet when I point out that men are more likely to find t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:22 PM
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Yes, the percentage of men murdered by strangers make up a much larger percentage of a much larger whole. My sympathies to the female victims, won't take anything away from them. The acrobatics feminists do to seemingly victim blame on this issue because they can't have men be the primarily victims of anything, alarms me. Simply refusing to accept that society just cares less about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:35 PM
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Re joining gangs, I've searched around for a variety of sources, and found that a larger percentage of males (21%) were murdered by a stranger than females (12%). For a while I had to consider why homeless people and beggars would continually make a beeline for me, even in crowded areas, even when I was wearing very cheap clothes and never made eye contact. It's because they knew people weren't likely to step in if I got harassed. Men have less people looking out for them and don't have access t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:23 PM
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Re joining gangs, I've searched around for a variety of sources, and found that a larger percentage of males (21%) were murdered by a stranger than females (12%). It's pretty fucking difficult to blame a victim who is shot by somebody they've never met before. For a while I had to consider why homeless people and beggars would continually make a beeline for me, even in crowded areas, even when I was wearing very cheap clothes and never made eye contact. It's because they knew people weren't like…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:02 PM
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I'm sympathetic to safety concerns while dating which affect women, but the post doesn't touch on that men are ultimately more likely to be the victims of homicide or other violent crime. The post then asserts that dating isn't bad for men, but has no sources and no experience on the matter. Related :https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ That post is literally just trying to dictate guys' own life experience to them by telling th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:49 PM
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I'm sympathetic to safety concerns while dating, women have to take greater precautions there. However, the fact of the matter is that men make up the vast majority of victims of violent crime. Getting knifed or shot at on the street is primarily a male problem. Women here continually assert that dating isn't that bad for men, but refuse to listen to personal experiences of guys here to the contrary, or statistics which show the majority of young men are single: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-br…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:15 PM
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Yeah, I see what you're saying, it took over a decade to get to that spot. They really are after such edge cases it's alarming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:47 PM
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Re this, yes I've noticed when you ask women this, you will have somebody in their 20s ask for six figure earners. You can pretty reasonably guess that the high earners are going to mostly consist of people in the upper end of the age bracket. But the problem is that these women wouldn't want to date somebody in their late 30s. When you look at how to get to those high end salaries the problems only get worse. Not unrelated to this point, women here have shown they really dislike the awkward STE…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:51 PM
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So you're dodging the question, ok. I'm genuinely surprised that you keep making these same assertions while having personal direct experience to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:17 PM
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So what do you think of yourself then? Temporarily embarassed millionaire?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:11 PM
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No, there are plenty of issues that can stop a man from getting a date that aren't his fault. These are not limited to ugliness, being short, being disabled - whether it's physical or mental. In relation to the last point, Johnny_Autism made a thread a while ago entitled "Women really dislike autistic men" and some of the answers from women were quite illuminating (but not in the way they'd hoped). Women in their 20s aren't as desperate as you imagine and plenty would rather wait around on a hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:57 PM
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While not strictly wrong, there's more complications to this than meets the eye. The first is that people are now changed, social media has had a pretty serious impact on everything from attention span to how people socialise. So now people are toxic. The second reason is that there are people out there who are convinced they have the answer while being a huge part of the problem. Good examples of this are feminists waiting to give lectures on "toxic masculinity" and red pillers waiting to tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:02 PM
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The olive branch was intended to mean mutual understanding of each other's issues rather than just deny that they exist. As opposed to just obfuscating things. This reply confuses me since it seems you're not understanding on purpose. Nobody is going to this hypothetical restaurant. It has been empty since it opened. Now, a blogger has posted that owners of bad restaurants degrade and hate women. The owner of the restaurant feels attacked by this. If you want to use the restaurant analogy, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:55 PM
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This is how I used to view things but I don't see it that way anymore since this isn't apples and oranges growing on different trees, it's two perspectives on the same topic, dating. It isn't a stretch to say that if women viewed this example PPD guy as a good option, he'd already be chosen. And once guys have that lightbulb moment, they know from the perspective of women, they're not misunderstood, they're the pig. I said in a different reply here that I am looking for an olive branch. I'd go f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:39 PM
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The only way the "women get attention too, but it's all bad attention" argument works to garner sympathy is if you agree that the majority of men are bad instead of options with genuine romantic intentions. Looking at this from the perspective of a sexually unsuccessful guy on PPD, there's something that can't escape his notice: according to this argument, if he was "one of the good ones", he would be sexually/romantically successful. But he's not. Consequentially, this guy realises that from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:15 PM
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I've thought about coming at this from a lot of different angles. The issue here is I don't view sexually undesirable men as morally reprehensible - this is the only way the thread I referenced is interpreted in a way that's favorable for the OP. I view the crew of nodding heads waiting to shit on unsuccessful men as the bad ones. The intention of my last sentence was to convey that being a nodding head isn't going to turn a man from a frog to a prince in the eyes of women. So they might as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 08:51 PM
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Fair objection - I have to shape my eyebrows if I want them to look good. By "thinner" I didn't mean carefully tweezed, I meant anything except drawn-on very thick eyebrows in my initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 08:35 PM
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And yet, women still seem to want sympathy from the people they view as contemptible, for how contemptible they are. I'm continually looking for that olive branch but it doesn't start with "You're all so disgusting, can't you see how difficult it is to deal with how disgusting you are? We have problems too."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:43 PM
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I'm gonna take this as an opportunity to blogpost about why viewpoints like the ones described in the "I don’t think men on here have a single clue about how women interpret attention from the opposite sex" thread continually fall on deaf ears with men, this is a good example to use because they didn't try to make it entirely about safety concerns. Motives can be projected onto people, it's difficult to disprove the idea that you just view women as pieces of meat if feminists are insisting all m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:45 PM
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I strongly prefer the thinner looking eyebrows that are more natural for most women. A lot of women are seemingly intent on having really thick eyebrows, and I dislike this trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 05:55 PM
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Regarding this, yes the short answer is I have to re-evaluate how I view this topic going forward. It is worth noting, they did change their data collection methods, and this may contribute to the sudden lurch down: While the GSS has always to some extent been a multimode survey (i.e., face-to-face with telephone), the 2022 GSS is the first year to conduct primary data collection with both face-to-face interviews and web questionnaires. As a result of the experimental multimode approach, it is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:58 PM
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Ah, that's reasonable. I'm not really willing to disclose a lot of personal details on reddit. Not all of the negatives are permanent though, so I'm not a complete doomer just yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 05:26 PM
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That's fair. If everyone told me things of that scale I'd probably believe it. Unfortunately, often there's a hell of a lot of bullshit on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:56 PM
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I appreciate that you are trying to make me feel better, but it's important to be realistic about strengths/weaknesses. In that regard yeah based on comments I've gotten my voice isn't very attractive. Career success depends on where you're at, I am employed right now but I've been fighting for the scraps for years now despite some excellent education. I'm not actually too willing to open up about everything on PPD so this is really the outermost layer of the onion, but based on everything I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:45 PM
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Reasonable point re anecdotes. I'm incredibly cynical of those in general though since it's immediately obvious people will lie on the internet to win arguments. This can be seen across the spectrum in feminists claiming they all know a 5'2 autistic guy who's really successful with women, black pillers claiming women only date the top percentiles of men, or red pillers claiming to be earning six figures with multiple girlfriends. I really dislike conceding ground to these people even if sometime…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:42 PM
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I'd agree that social circle is pretty important as to what you're able to observe - I'm more likely to take people seriously if they're in close proximity to a problem or have a lot of experience in dealing with it. I'd be more than willing to admit because of my social circles that I see certain things more frequently than they actually occur too - those being loneliness and/or failed relationships. It's generally pretty difficult for people to step out of their own shoes in discussions like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:25 PM
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Positive: Smart. Offset: Haven't been able to turn it into career success yet. Positive: Have a good sense of humour. Offset: bad voice, depressed. Positive: healthy weight. Offset: joint pain means I can't be as athletic as I was in HS. I went down the list and determined I had more negative attributes than positive ones, or that the negative attributes were greater in magnitude. On a related note I've noticed most people rate themselves above a 5/10, I tend to avoid doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:23 PM
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I have positive attributes, those are offset by slightly greater negative attributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:14 PM
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Overall, slightly below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:04 PM
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https://i.redd.it/sfogalc384z81.jpg I saw the image above recently and found it funny. It then also occurred to me that something similar is happening when women here insist that men deeply dissatisfied with dating are just an online phenomenon. The men that women pay a lot of attention to irl is likely already a biased sample and the ones that aren't happy won't necessarily feel comfortable saying that - this goes doubly so if they suspect they're gonna get a lecture by admitting that. Therefor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:01 PM
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My general thoughts on this is that if you're significantly overweight or have some other fixable issue then "trying" isn't overrated and if you worked on ameliorating it you'd probably see some results. If you don't have some easily fixable issue and you're just slamming your head over and over into the wall with no results then "trying" is probably overrated. I've seen posters here assume that if you have a mixed friendship circle and don't have something massively wrong with you, you'll find …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:53 PM
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Don't agree, I've often found what was said to just be wrong or completely contradictory to my own experiences. The sentence in its most simply understood meaning was disagreeable to me. Examples: "Short men get dates all the time." Very rarely do I see a young short man dating successfully. Same applies to ugly guys. "Women like kind men." I've found how kind somebody is and how successful they are in dating to be completely uncorrelated variables. "You should treat fat people with respect and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:18 PM
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I was given fairly bluepilled messaging by my parents growing up, ie that it's really about being kind and honest etc. Of course this didn't stop me from joining a sports team and staying in shape - I think some users here think it's fat neckbeards asking women to look past the rolls and like them for their personality but in my own anecdotal experience (yours may differ) that's not really the case. I'd later learn that kindness, honesty, respect etc had basically zero correlation with dating su…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 06:24 PM
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The OP of the linked thread is claiming that men don't value relationships or sex with women inherently, but only as a status symbol to show off to other men. Consequently male loneliness is really just about not being able to pointlessly showboat like Tate does. This whole thing about men being less happy now because they aren't able to have the companionship of women anymore? Bull-sheeeeet. Complete hogwash. Made up. Men aren't happy because they were bamboozled into a game where they. Can't. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:56 PM
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I always find it fascinating that there are women out there who genuinely argue that men live and breathe solely to outdo or seek the approval of other men. As if men don't desperately crave the approval of women, or have their own individual needs or benchmarks for success. A lot of the posturing and pointless competitiveness you see from men functions as a surrogate, because they can't obtain what would actually make them happy. I don't know how much feminist kool-aid you have to drink in orde…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:08 PM
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Yes, the thing is that because of that we've seen the issues that men frequently complain about and the issues women frequently complain about. It shouldn't be a stretch to say that men have it more difficult in dating and people shouldn't be getting triggered by it, but here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:28 PM
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Yeah, the same thing happens every time somebody takes any aspect of life and says the male experience is tougher, and it's really boring at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:12 PM
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Women here pretty continually shame men for dating preferences they don't like. Leonardo DiCaprio has been getting women taking shots at him for a while now over exactly this topic. It's also why passport bro threads always get a lot of engagement because women definitely don't care about passport bros but they just have to leave a comment telling them they're being creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:05 PM
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From somebody who posts on here at most every couple of days and frequently takes time off reddit, yeah, posting incessantly on here would really take a toll. This isn't least because some people on both sides of the "pill" debate are specifically looking to bait/trigger the other. I definitely wouldn't say reddit is the underlying problem in these cases though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 10:25 PM
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Being very willing to resort to personal attacks and also making a massive number of assumptions about the other person is a pretty useless combination, a lot of discussion here is hamstrung by those two factors working in tandem. Doesn't really seem worthwhile spending too much time on here if you're gonna construct an image of what you think I'm like then attack that in some kind of failed attempt to dunk on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:03 PM
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Sometimes I remember that a great deal of people have this attitude and I'm disappointed. Like, guys, you can admit being short frequently holds men back in their dating life because height is something women really notice. It's ok, there's not suddenly going to be a great incel take over because you said something other than "it's your personality".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:58 PM
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I don't think it's a chicken and egg situation - video games seem to be the coping mechanism rather than the cause. They might prevent men from wanting to climb out of the hole but they didn't dig the hole in the first place. Social media has proven to be much worse on mental health and more recently has deservedly received much greater scrutiny. If you're looking for what is particularly damaging young people right now, that's the thing to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:20 PM
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It isn't the actually getting married part that men dislike about the label though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:35 AM
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Fair objection. The other element to the negative stigma around being "husband material" is that men also associate it with meaning "after the boyfriends", ie waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:33 AM
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"Husband material" guy has a lot of responsibilities, and comes with high expectations. Crucially, husband guy also is expected to wait for sex. Sometimes, for a long time. I think in a world where "husband guy" meant "somebody desirable to date in your 20s", men wouldn't have negative feelings about the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:09 AM
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Men talking about male issues get toned policed much more than feminists talking about women's issues. You'll have to add gender differences in suicide rates of developed Western nations to this list btw. You'll also have to add a growing gender gap in higher education. In fact there are a lot of issues that affect men that are worth talking about, but it seems you can't talk about them without being accused of only doing it to spite feminists. Whereas feminists just talk, and not only do people…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 08:00 PM
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Hi, I can clearly see you've put in a lot of effort into this post and my reply is going to be very brief in comparison. Re your points about political radicalisation, there's a lot of talk about men being radicalized by right wing content. I'm generally of the opinion that left wing viewpoints push disaffected men away as much as if not more than right wingers pull them in. There's more talk concerning this topic on the left now, but it's probably too little too late, especially when even the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:57 PM
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You're not wrong that a good portion of the toxicity around the red/black pill is because of having socially damaging formative years. People are very dismissive of this "damage" but it's there and it's real. However, something does alarm me about the posts people are making here. I hope everyone is aware that being sexless in high school and then having sex during college aged years is still pretty normal right? People who try to relate by sharing stories of feeling isolated as a teenager miss …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:22 PM
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And had it just been one year, 2018, maybe you'd have a point. It wasn't. It was a steady trend observed over 10 years from 2008 to 2018 that was only disrupted by pretty much the most unusual conditions you could imagine. If somebody's world viewpoint is so off that they need to cling to obviously anomalous data to validate it, then they need a better way of interpreting the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:30 PM
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Yes if there's even vaguely normal social conditions and suddenly the % of sexless men lurches downward, and the % of sexless women goes way up, then that's an interesting development with some social reasons behind it. The point is that if you'd asked anyone whether 2020-2021 was even close to normal social conditions, they would've responded "no". But then a certain disingenuous group of people, like the author linked in the OP's article, noticed that it suited their argument to pretend that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:03 PM
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Dunno, depends on whether there's a global pandemic or similar event that forces people to stay inside, restricts socialisation and then means researchers have to completely change their methods or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:42 PM
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Maybe you're not arguing in bad faith. However, the author of the article you linked certainly is. They mentioned absolutely nothing about the effects that covid might have on this, despite using a 2021 dataset. The dataset they're referring to was gathered during the pandemic. Quote from one of the documents in the dataset: Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, what is referred to as the 2021 GSS—which collected data from December 2020 to May 2021 Again, they're using that year to try to disprove a tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:02 AM
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I dislike that so much of the "body positivity" movement is laser-focussed on obesity. If I were fat and convinced it was a big issue, I'd be taking steps to try and fix it. The issue here isn't "fat people suck" or whatever, it's that so much airtime is given to a controllable issue when there's genetically hard determined traits that are gonna hurt people's dating chances much more. Fat shaming triggers a lot of users here and there are so many people who'd love to have that issue be their big…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:09 PM
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The thread title doesn't capture the whole debate I feel since travelling abroad to find a wife isn't sex tourism nor mail-ordering a bride. The thing that fascinates me is that blue pilled westerners care precisely zero about the living conditions of people in these supposedly terrible (I think some of these countries look quite pleasant in the year 2023) places to live. Yet suddenly it's extremely coercive and exploitative for western men to date or marry the women from there. And after they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 07:02 PM
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The marriage rate has been decreasing for decades now and obesity rates have been increasing, so people aren't really getting married at the same rates they used to. Dating currently, statistically, is a larger portion of women wanting to date a smaller portion of men, and as such frequently ends up being polygamous. I don't fault people for wanting to date up, what I do fault people for is not realising that for some, dating a 5 is indeed dating up. And the hint here is that being fat is a very…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:27 PM
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I think the more significant issue with this is that women here seriously overestimate the attractiveness of other women. There can be multiple reasons for this, but one of them might be that they genuinely don't know what men find attractive. Fully concede that men frequently get overconfident and overrate their own attractiveness, but they don't really do the same and overrate other men. It's interesting how everyone agrees that the average person is a 5, but you pretty much never see anyone r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:10 PM
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I genuinely cannot remember seeing a fat woman rate themselves a 4 or below. Wanting to date up somewhat is fine if you're somewhat realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:06 PM
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Yes, 100% agree. One of the main reasons why I often have gaps of a week or more without posting on reddit or ppd is that people expect so much legwork in terms of finding data, even for things that ought to be reasonably obvious, that it can actually be a huge time sink. This is fine if there's an intellectual debate going on, but frequently the person I'm responding to is just declaring their opinion to be fact without backing it up at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:06 AM
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Getting to know somebody in an attempt to date them isn't slimy or two-faced at all. Men generally have to put in a fair amount of effort to get a chance at a relationship. At the very least, as men are typically doing the asking out, getting a relationship is an active process rather than a passive one. People don't have infinite time and the attention you can give each person is limited, so woman who aren't part of a man's dating pool, and aren't already a close friend are just going to have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 03:53 PM
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This is in relation to her earlier points. Weight gain is a common side effect of many antidepressants. So if the hypothesis is that only men have gotten fatter, lazier, and more depressed in the reply above, and that's the actual reason for the graph I posted earlier, I'd actually have an argument to contest with if antidepressant use had surged particularly among the younger male demographic. But that isn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:23 PM
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The "cultural shift" is that women are not interested in sex or relationships with unattractive, unsocial men, which are increasingly common among the male population. Yes, you've assumed that men have gotten fatter and have worse social skills, while the women have remained the same somehow, and that the solution to a clearly demonstrable social change is that men need to collectively pull themselves up by their bootstraps. You've then assumed that this will make a difference to the statistics …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 08:59 PM
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The point is that the average woman isn't better than the average man - you've assumed that a lot of hideously unattractive men emerged from nowhere while the women remained mostly the same. The average man would still be interacting with the average woman no matter what the year - the matching hypothesis argues that people are more likely to form and succeed in a committed relationship with someone who is equally socially desirable. From that hypothesis, it's reasonable to state that if this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 08:09 PM
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And if that was the cause, the women would be equally or similarly affected. However, as can be seen from the relevant graph, that isn't happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 08:02 PM
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Yes it's a weird reaction, although it is predictable. The graph points to a structural issue and a cultural change, the reaction tries to frame it as a personal issue. This is the usual line of attack because now the initial speaker is defending themselves rather than talking about a widespread social phenomenon. Of course, if that's directed at the author, it's weird to say that to somebody who's married with kids and is a well-established reporter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:59 PM
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No. The average man remains average, and there's no reason to believe that the average young man of 2018 onwards is significantly uglier or socially inept than the average young man of the mid 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:50 PM
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Thank you, I've been reading through some of the threads posted here and am enjoying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:47 PM
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If you looked at the graph in the short term yes, most people, including myself would probably assume it to be the 2008 financial crisis. The issue is that the line kept going up well after the crisis was over. This points to an ongoing cultural shift rather than an economic flashpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:46 PM
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Yep a load of short ugly men who can't talk properly just emerged from the sewers since the year 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:31 PM
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Objective data from fairly reputable sources (WaPo) suggests otherwise but alright. https://twitter.com/\_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120?lang=en
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:21 PM
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https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120?lang=en Frog in a boiling pot is a good metaphor to use here, but data suggests that 2008 was the beginning of the cultural shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:19 PM
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Now, I'm aware that dating is pretty bad right now, but did you consider that the Black Death or WWI trenches were worse? See, I've just outsmarted you, I guess you've got no reason to complain at all due to the current situation not being as bad as trench warfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:04 PM
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Do you care about false positives? As far as I'm aware guys in the red pill space would never vote for a left wing candidate. If you are in the US, I'm aware that access to abortion is a major concern at the moment so political beliefs are on a lot of people's radars. The reasons why people vote Democratic are either because they agree with the candidate or because they're engaging in "lesser evil" voting, a red piller is highly unlikely to have either of these two mindsets. This doesn't screen …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:58 PM
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To start off, with I am absolutely fine with acknowledging that women have to take greater safety precautions than men do when dating. With that being said, it is still easier for women to find a good guy than the reverse. There are multiple reasons for this. Men have to make greater investments in time and money to get a date in the first place. The difficulty of picking is frequently overstated. Men still have to choose the right woman in addition to the factors that make dating more difficult…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 06:55 AM
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I feel like this is misleading, obesity obviously can't be fixed by other people because it's a personal health issue. The way you'd shift the burden onto others is to pressure them into pretending there's no difference between a person of a healthy weight and an obese one. This is steadily and deliberately being done throughout the media and in people's personal lives. Examples of this are companies purposefully using obese people in their marketing campaigns for beauty products, and/or putting…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:54 AM
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Yes. My gripe around people playing defence for obesity is that in the vast majority of cases it's a choice. People talk about it like it's some huge struggle when it's an issue that just goes away with proper diet and exercise. I'm fine with chubby but nowadays people are pushing it WAAY past chubby.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 02:43 PM
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If men do want deeper connections, why are incel and black/red pill communities so filled with hatred and targeted humiliation towards women? Is it just because they relate that way? Pretty much. Anger against the out-group for some communities is a way of forming bonds in the group - this principle can apply to leftist spaces as well. Targeted humiliation is a lot of men's experience of the dating scene, except they're the target. When men are continually told they're not good enough, and are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 02:16 PM
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I definitely think there is a false dichotomy occurring here. Blue pillers fairly frequently engage in false dichotomies, where because men aren't satisfied with just friendship and head scratches, they must be talking exclusively about sex. In a similar way, you noticed that most men don't have much interest in paying for a prostitute (blue pillers miss this), and conclude that what they want isn't really about sex at all. However, I will readily admit that your analysis has more merit because …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 05:03 AM
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I really disagree with this notion that women are more content being single because it just outright contradicts a lot of what I've observed personally, generally how people are raised, and in particular contradicts what I saw occur over covid lockdowns. It became very obvious during lockdowns that some people, mostly women, had never been socially isolated in their lives before. Both men and women highly value dating attention. The difference is that women mostly just get given the attention th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 10:17 PM
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My general thoughts are that polygamy is a terrible idea, there's multiple reasons why most economically developed countries have it banned. The relationships people have today affect the next generation - monogamous relationships are advantageous for child rearing and any sort of polygamous system is unlikely to do even a halfway decent job of replacing it, this will have downstream social effects. The second argument is an economic one. It's pretty transparent that polygamy results in smaller …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:08 PM
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Are you really surprised if women don’t want anything to do with you if you only talk about yourself, have bad hygiene, and/or constantly bring up sex? And those are just the tip of the iceberg. These are fairly common accusations levelled against sexless men, but they don't really hold much water. Looking clean and holding a good conversation are things that can so easily be remedied, the "just take a shower bro" pill has always been extremely ignorant for the purpose of preserving women's egos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:50 PM
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One thing that surprised me was that women who have been married for a decade or more still get very heated about a lot of the posts made on PPD. I learned that many women are genuinely unaware of the social privileges that they enjoy, and assume it as the baseline for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:43 PM
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Nobody has infinite time or patience, and extending the effort that most men have to exert to simply get the attention of potential dating partners to every other human being isn't possible or practical. You're painting the normal behaviour of treating potential dating partners better than others as a manipulative practice, it just isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:09 PM
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As opposed to being covered in red flags from the start? The idea that "niceness" is just a facade is a subtle way of admitting that "niceness" as a whole isn't that important or is straight up a detriment. But yeah no unless guys extend that niceness to every single person they meet indefinitely, they're sooo manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:48 PM
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You mean as opposed to the people who aren't even trying to be "nice" or a "good person"? The short answer is people are usually nicer to the people they're trying to date and that doesn't make them two-faced or manipulative in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:25 PM
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The key to understanding a lot of the talk around this is that people are never entirely honest about their dating preferences. This is to avoid appearing shallow. This can be applied to men too, but men aren't nearly as picky as women are. Incidentally, young women don't have to use tinder to be oversaturated with options, their physical standards aren't suddenly going to drop like a stone when not on dating apps lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:28 PM
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A lot of this post is a strawman. You don't have to be lusting after 6'6 ripped gigachad to have unreasonable demands. Luckily, other posters have already done the hard work of linking studies which show that the average woman is chasing after men who are significantly taller than average. Average women expecting a distinctly above average man seems to be the default setting for dating in general. Anecdotally, female posters here have openly admitted that they find most men completely unattracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:31 PM
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The short answer is that sooner or later you have to let young men have nice things rather than perpetually keep them out of reach. Talk about guardrails is great if men think they have something worth working towards, but if it's awful pay terrible working conditions and no dating prospects then those guardrails aren't going to work. To go into more detail, with regards to work, the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action policies are white women. Those are the winners, and considering how …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:03 PM
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You can always get to a healthy weight, so exercise always has a benefit if you assume that the reason you're not getting as much attention as you want is because you're very out of shape. However, extra platonic relationships are not always beneficial, whether it's for the purpose of finding a romantic relationship or otherwise. I definitely think that a lot of posters here need to realise their friendship isn't necessarily as valuable as they think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:19 AM
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I don't agree with how you've argued this. Building up a social circle is generally important, even if it is admittedly difficult. The issue is that once a less than attractive man does so, he runs the risk of being put into the category of friendly but undateable. This is a category women readily put men in, but the reverse is not true. The idea that you can be part of a mixed gender social circle and still have exactly the same chance of getting a date as somebody who never talks with anyone i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 04:28 PM
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I do not see unattractive men in relationships frequently. The exceptions to the rule have often had the relationship end badly for them. I don't really know where this idea that there's just ugly dudes everywhere in relationships came from. I can only assume it's the older couples you see out shopping together but what middle aged people are doing isn't really relevant to what young people are doing today, not to mention they might've looked very different 20+ years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 04:24 AM
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I disagree totally. Over time I've realised that any relationship where you can't have a decent conversation is doomed to fail. Somebody's politics not matching my own isn't a dealbreaker but not being able to talk with me about their beliefs in any detail, or not having any common interests, will make any interaction feel unenjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 04:59 AM
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I disagree with this. I had a bunch of female friends in college, never had a girlfriend. The short answer is that this invites other women to also view you as a friend, not necessarily a dating option. This is where the idea of "social proof" that is so often written about here falls down: it isn't actually about proving you're safe. Women often compete with each other for the same man, but friendship does not factor into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 10:52 PM
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I lost a lot of respect for him when he talked about school/university. Dropping out of university isn't a viable option for a lot of people - not everyone is going to be successful on youtube/other media. My other concern was that he talked about not working at all during his time as a student or cheating on exams. You don't have to be academically gifted to be successful or give good advice, but my problem is that after doing what I described he's now lecturing me about discipline. Is he bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:07 PM
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If men don't find every single female celebrity attractive, their standards are just simply too high. Just don't express any physical preferences whatsoever but also you can't be prepared to go for just anyone. Also don't use the same logic to analyse women's standards, or analyse their standards at all really.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 08:38 PM
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I agree with some of this. The "nice guys are doormats haha" strawman is boring. I think the kicker is that even if I did feel like polishing a suit of armor and becoming the most bland and predictable white knight on reddit to ever exist, that's still not going to fix anything, because I wouldn't actually be able to prevent or reduce the harm done in the first place, I'd just be here waiting with a box of tissues to tell women it wasn't their fault. Although, in the interests of honesty, I shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 08:57 PM
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The blunt answer is that reddit just doesn't want to deal with it. I believe there are two reasons for this. The first thing you ought to consider is that talking about how men have a very low match rate on these subs is likely to drive off potential users. If the mods of that sub are in any way affiliated with the app, they're not gonna let that fly. The second reason is that there are some viewpoints reddit just isn't going to accept . Men posted their online data stats on dataisbeautiful, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 08:23 PM
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I don't think people usually call others "entitled" in bad faith, as they genuinely believe that the other person is asking too much. So I disagree that it's only a distraction. However I do think that, particularly surrounding dating, there's frequently a lack of thought or analysis when using that term. Dating is surely fine, because it works fine from the perspective of the person making this accusation, and where it doesn't, it's surely men creating all the problems. The problem of course is…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 10:45 PM
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Q4All - Who's your most influential role model at the moment and do you respect his kickboxing or money making skills better? What's the most moving motivational speech and did you hear it from Andrew Tate's youtube appearances or his Hustler's University course? Who's the most popular person on the internet right now and why is it Andrew Tate? What's your favorite action movie and how long would the main character last before being KO'd by Andrew Tate? Who's your favorite celebrity to bring up …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 07:13 PM
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My flair is a statement on my own pessimism. I'm of the belief that modern dating issues and the surrounding social norms are only getting worse rather than better. This also reflects how I feel about the future in other aspects of life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 03:13 AM
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If you doubt it, then you'd be wrong. I'm seeing exactly the same usernames popping up trying to muddy the waters in that thread as I was in the thread around 2 weeks ago getting really heated about men thinking overweight women were unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:46 PM
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Another height and OLD thread. Seems there's a strong correlation between how likely any given PPD user is to play defense for women being extremely selective regarding height and how likely they are to view fat shaming as a grave injustice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:37 PM
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No, that only means the researchers were not conclusive in establishing which was the cause and which was the effect, this is a very difficult thing to do in psychology. The results suggest that casual sex had the links to depression that you asked for. The whole other can of worms is that current hook up culture is inextricably tied to dating apps, which also have strong associations with depressive symptoms. Again, the comment which started this whole chain was me expressing an opinion that ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:22 AM
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That polygyny exploits women is true and I never argued otherwise, it just happens that this is the only reason why it's bad that you are sympathetic to. I am using the term polygamy and not polygyny because it is possible for a single woman to sleep with multiple men simultaneously in hook up culture, but yes the aggregate result is that a larger portion of women are having sex with a smaller portion of men. I am using the zoological definition of polygamy which describes a mating habit in anim…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:40 AM
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No, polygamy is in itself a social problem. The reason why people aren't legally allowed to marry with multiple others is that polygamy leads to increased crime and substance abuse, and generally destabilizes society. Hook up culture is the downsized version of polygamy because it affects people primarily during their youth with the promise that you can have a short term hedonistic view of relationships and it won't affect yourself or anyone else. I'm beginning to see the disconnect here. You do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:57 AM
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Everything I described in the above comment is either a social problem in itself or directly leads to social problems in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:11 AM
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Hook up culture is polygamy with plausible deniability, and because it's necessarily short term, any long term value a partner might bring to the table is negated. Hence traits that are only beneficial in the long term are devalued in favor of short term excitement. I explained my issue with hook up culture in my comment above. The way hook up culture functions is effectively polygamy, that's not a good social structure even if I were to be at the top of it. It's slightly mind boggling that peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 11:42 PM
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You've misunderstood. I am of the belief that hook up culture causes social problems for the reasons that I explained, and how they affect large numbers of the population. The changing societal attitudes directly hinder me from having what would make me happy, and that isn't something I can just opt out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 09:49 PM
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Yes, for multiple reasons. The way hook up culture functions is effectively polygamy, that's not a good social structure even if I were to be at the top of it. It's slightly mind boggling that people seem to think a portion of men feeling extremely depressed for years on end while others develop "golden penis syndrome" is going to lead to stable and happy relationships in the future but that's your brain on the blue pill I guess. The second reason is that I genuinely find shallow interactions wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 07:23 PM
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Right, but having to put in a huge amount of effort for the chance to maybe get a date once in a blue moon still is a bad situation. I generally find analogies to be unhelpful, but consider the following: People who have extremely low incomes know their life is not good, they don't need the knowledge that there are billionaires out there who live in luxurious mansions to confirm this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:30 AM
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My point is that you don't need the comparison. You only need to accept two basic assertions: Human beings are highly social animals that suffer greatly if isolated. There is a segment of the male population that is utterly unable to engage in any sort of romantic relationship whatsoever. You don't need any other piece of information to know that this situation fucking sucks. This is where the resentment is coming from, it is not about a comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:08 AM
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Let me be as clear as I can, the resentment from the male side is NOT primarily about jealousy of other men. The idea that the real reason men are angry is that they're all involved in a dick measuring contest with each other about n count is a strawman constructed by bluepillers. Jealousy is definitionally being envious of somebody else, and how you are in comparison to them. The resentment from men is about having absolutely nothing in terms of romance, that's the root cause, it is not about a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:38 AM
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I'm beginning to think a lot of the more ignorant blue pill takes surrounding beta bucks are caused by simply never coming into contact with the men who it affects. If you didn't go to university then move onto a highly skilled profession, and insist STEM enthusiasts aren't worth talking to, how would you come into contact with this social phenomenon?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 08:19 PM
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With all the recent talk around dating standards, I must rectify my previous opinions. The only real victims are the ones who voluntary ate to the point of becoming unattractive. The other shallow dating standards were just a manosphere fever dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:55 PM
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This is incredibly wrong. When people go to university and/or other qualifications, they're racking up debt and investing time into something that doesn't pay off yet. Dating norms have shifted and people aren't generally looking to find their spouse in university now, everything is viewed as more short term. Due to this, stability isn't a valued trait when people are in their 20s currently. That's what other posters are pointing out - because of current dating attitudes and hookup culture, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:55 PM
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This isn't accurate. I'm a man who has been in multiple different types of male-dominated spaces - ranging from academics to sports teams to gaming. In some of those cases the lower ranked men have rocked the boat, in some they've been alright, but the determining factor is NOT being observed by a woman as lower order. Ultimately, the determining factor is this: What does being a lower rank entail, exactly? Men don't mind admitting to being less strong, skilled, or competent than another, as lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:17 PM
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First off, in the vast majority of cases, when men talk about not wanting to date fat women, they're not talking about the slightly overweight or chubby. The reality is that not being obese is easy for most people, and as long as you're giving a bit of leeway for different body types, it's not a big ask. The ideal female body type goes beyond just slim, incidentally - you won't have the ideal body type just because you didn't overeat to an extreme. Personally I'm not too selective about body typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:20 PM
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Good realisation. Mid 20s male here. I suspect dating standards are indeed very different, but I don't believe it's because of a greater freedom of some sort - the increase in sexlessness started around 15 years ago according to the data, and I'm simply not buying into the idea that the 90s were part of the oppressive dark ages. The key cause comes down to social media, really. Technology has continued to play an increasingly relevant role in social interaction, technology both facilitates and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:31 PM
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No matter what he looked like, it wouldn't matter, nobody on either side of the debate would change their minds. I don't really follow WheatWaffles, but even for his own audience this wasn't going to be a game changer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 01:17 AM
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This belief that men in general really just want to have as many notches on their bedpost as possible needs to go away. It just stunts discussion so much. Many men just want to feel like they have some autonomy in their dating lives and then have a happy monogamous relationship. Monogamy isn't just some big facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:52 PM
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My first reaction to this is that one of those ideologies is not like the others. Two are ideologies confined to specific forums and youtube rabbit holes. The third garners international attention and does everything from altering political rhetoric to influencing hiring practices at the most prestigious companies in the world. The patriarchy, as the term is frequently used by feminists, simply doesn't exist. There is no power or privilege generally applied across all men. In fact, more women gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:32 PM
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Yeah, I'll try and remember the two rules lmao. You've clearly decided to partake in the typical "it's all personality bro" blue pill circlejerk, rather than realise that the reason why the college educated sexless male cohort has the concerns that they do is because of social experiences that they've had. Absolutely none of this has even remotely challenged the more cynical AFBB viewpoint that red/black pillers put forward, or even touched on hook up culture trends that are currently very preva…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:02 AM
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My point was that this turning point is entirely about money and career status. Light blue line knows full well their social value depends on those 2 things, hence the misery. It's a simple a -> b causation rather than a series of vaguely connected dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:30 AM
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Yep, and the gap just so happens to close at the point where there is a more significant difference in earnings, and those earnings are needed. It's all just a big coincidence, really. Just simple personalityselfimprovementconfidencegrooming or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:47 AM
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No, some people are born neurotic, in the same way that some people are born stupid. But experience also shapes personality. So somebody can be stupid because their parents never thought to buy them a book when they were younger, or neurotic because they have had experiences that made them neurotic. The fact that the figures are as they are, when colleges have significantly more female than male students, should be revealing to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:30 AM
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There is still a significant difference between college graduates and the other groups in the late 20s age bracket though, which is the point I was making. Neuroticism is a symptom of a lack of sexual value, not a cause. The point where you see the college graduate sexlessness gap close and then things finally turn "favorable" is when you'd expect the difference in earning potential to really open up, which is how I'm interpreting the graph.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:00 AM
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Well, yes. Women aren't interested in the more academically-driven men until those men have some money in their pocket, and the women are in need of that money. But that doesn't necessarily mean a happy future from there on out. This is a fairly common redpill/blackpill talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:41 AM
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Well the first reason is the 10-15 years of pain in getting to the "beta bux" stage. You're aware that BB don't just appear from nowhere right? That's a youth full of pretty much exclusively rejections and loneliness. The second reason is that men are sceptical you actually want to be with them at all based on how women talk about this. Let me explain further. they are safe, secure, and stable These are all adjectives you could also use to describe a bank account. Men want to be valued for more …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:47 AM
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Apex fallacy at its finest. Are you going to use Elon Musk as a counterexample if I say immigrants generally earn less? I'm sure you're absolutely not going to put every man on here who talks about their negative dating experiences, into the whining category. An arbitrary distinction that's ultimately entirely subjective. This reply doesn't properly refute any of the criticisms I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:48 AM
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This and the above comment you made have little meaning, precisely because they're unfalsifiable. The people who do complain must surely be doing it because their personalities are rotten, so they're automatically invalid, and thus the only people who could complain legitimately from your point of view would choose not to. The end result of this is that there would be nobody actually challenging your point of view that looks are mostly irrelevant, despite height being linked even to things like …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 10:24 PM
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I'd argue against this. I haven't seen men being set up with a date by their female friends much at all, really. However, becoming the shoulder to cry on has significantly impacted some men's confidence, and there isn't an unreasonable chance of this happening for undesirable and agreeable men. I think people should probably try to maintain a mixed gender friendship group in most cases, but for the beta Billys out there (and I include myself in this category), you're gonna have to vet your frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:52 AM
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Hm, I'd push back against this. I don't agree with people not even trying to befriend women either, however: but as someone who was extremely bitter towards women in my early-20's when I finally did befriend them I just became a much more well-rounded person. I haven't really seen things play out like this in my personal life or by watching other people. From the men I can think of that I've known/interacted with for a long time, the usual turning point when they actually feel happier is when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:41 AM
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I'll clarify. I believe that the social proof that female friends give is not significantly going to aid in finding a relationship. Or, more specifically, that this is not the cure to the inability to find a relationship that blue pillers often claim it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:36 PM
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I thought I'd jump in here as somebody who has kept a mixed gender social circle. Do what you want, don't prescribe things for other people. Red pillers are wrong in saying that keeping female friends is inherently useless. Blue pillers are wrong for saying that keeping female friends is going to be the thing that cures bitterness or gives social proof or whatever the next line is. The friendships I've had with women have been slightly different from the friendships I've had with men, I will adm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:07 PM
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I think Japan is the "best case scenario". The way Western media analysed Japan and presented its findings was slightly misleading. The "40% of all Japanese adults are virgins" statement was not accurate, the National Fertility Survey numbers were strictly for never-married individuals only. https://thediplomat.com/2019/04/lets-talk-about-no-sex-a-closer-look-at-japans-virginity-crisis/ Not unexpectedly, when we studied the total population of young adults, the virginity rate was much lower than…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:17 PM
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I'm going to take this opportunity to get in before the major gaslighting starts. Here's my take: they won't and can't. The reality is that people simply don't care all that much about male mental health, this is reflected in the expectation that you'll stay single and still be a good worker drone. When you get right down to it, humans might be the most intelligent species on the planet, sure, but we're still primates. That is, a highly social species, and sex plays a particularly important role…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:06 AM
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I disagree generally that blue pillers just copy and paste viewpoints from the other "pills", depending on the situation. The specific things that blue pillers tell black pillers to focus on is not the same as the ones that red pillers tell them to focus on, for example. There's also a variety of talking points that only come from blue pillers, the "learn to be happy by yourself" one being the most egregious example. However, by reading between the lines on your post, you seem to be pointing out…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:03 PM
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With regards to point 1, no, men aren't bullet proof. I've had to be very wary when I go out at night in certain areas. This is for fear of getting mugged. You can argue women should probably be more careful sure, but saying "As a man, I pretty go much go anywhere and do anything" is disingenuous. Point 2, no, I do not control when encounters happen with women. Also, there's nothing stopping women from asking men out, they just choose not to. Point 3, fine, agreed. Point 4, fine. However, I shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:38 PM
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Which is a viewpoint that you can have. It's just incompatible with the viewpoint that the meltdowns people had over lockdown were over a social need. Which has been my argument the whole time and I think at this stage you are well aware of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 10:05 PM
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Yes, I gave you evidence that Zoom had an absolutely massive increase in the number of users for video calls. Do you think that families suddenly refused to platonically touch each other over lockdown? The term I keep using is physical romantic affection. You might be able to glean that masturbation doesn't alleviate the human need for a partner, which is what the OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:33 PM
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Which, as I explained already, is accessible because young people are increasingly being priced out of living alone, ie they live with their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:23 PM
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Yes, because people could have and did use video call apps, but that didn't seem to satisfy them. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/zoom-statistics/ Zoom's annual revenue increased by 53% during the pandemic, and meeting participants increased by 2900%. So it wasn't that people couldn't talk to each other. They could and did. Mental health concerns from young people around covid lockdowns principally concerned the inability to access physical romantic affection, because when you look at what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:20 PM
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The initial comment that I replied to. You're comparing not having a partner to zero contact with others. That makes no sense. and this: What I find disingenuous is comparing horniness with loneliness. The main type of interaction that was restricted under covid lockdowns, for young people anyway, concerned horniness, not loneliness. Yet, this was still viewed as having legitimate concerns for mental health. The comparison that you had an issue with was fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:53 PM
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Yes, with housing prices continually soaring, many people are simply priced out of living alone. So, if we're talking about young people, assuming that they'll be living with their family isn't unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:40 PM
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I hardly need to tell people that video calls exist. They knew they were an option, but they didn't scratch the itch. That's because the itch, in this case, was horniness. Where I'm at, young people typically can't live alone because it's simply too expensive. Which isn't uncommon for big cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:10 PM
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No, my argument is that covid only restricted certain types of interaction. Online communication is simply so advanced now that many factors that would have been isolating can simply be circumvented. Talking to other people, hearing another person's voice, seeing another person's face, these things are all possible with video call. Regarding the touch starvation factor, as I said, most people don't live alone and would have their family in the same house as them. The only type of interaction tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:00 PM
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That's the point, absolutely nothing restricted people from hugging their family as they'd be in the same "bubble". Still didn't seem to be enough, somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:42 PM
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But they didn't have zero contact with others though. Talking with friends is just a video call away and there's an abundance of options for social activities online. Not to mention that most people don't live alone and would be in a "bubble" with the rest of their family. What covid really restricted was relationships that involved physical touch, not whether you could talk to other people or not. I personally found the number of people in my country who just couldn't bring themselves to proper…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:37 PM
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I wouldn't say that men necessarily give great dating advice to women. However, I think that the advice given to men, not only by women but also by other men, is abysmal. The underlying cause of this certainly has something to do with not wanting to be seen as shallow, but I think there's a more direct reason for the advice being bad: They're not responding to what the man said in the first place. "Just don't worry about finding somebody, focus on yourself" is said to men who tried building them…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:17 PM
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From this reply I feel like I didn't make part of my post clear. Currently, it isn't 5% of men who are in the last camp, from the GSS it's 27% of men at least. This has turned into a legitimate widespread social issue, it's greater than just a personal problem. You should probably consider that a lot of the "usual advice" often isn't given in good faith, ie "focus on yourself" = "stop talking about this". I don't have too much to add to this but my sympathies for any unkind comments you've recei…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:36 PM
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Over 95 percent have had sex by the age of 25, and yes, I'm aware of the AF/BB I see here every day. I wanted to know where this claim was from, so I did some investigating. The most recent data I can find on this is from around 15 years ago that backs up this claim: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf The problem is that pretty much none of the societal factors men here have problems with were around when this data was collected. Smartphones didn't resemble anything like they do now,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 01:04 PM
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I don't really agree on the second part. Choosiness is relative by definition, and we can see that what people want changes depending on their situation, not on absolute values. There appears to be many more women that absolutely insist on "dating up" than before, and while there's nothing wrong with being average/mediocre looking, clearly the numbers aren't going to work out in this case. Women are generally much pickier than men sure, but it seems use of technology/social media has turned the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:17 PM
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Thank you for making this post. Yes, a lot of the expectations that men have to deal with aren't exactly easy, whether they're physical expectations in things like height, or financial expectations as to how much money you're willing to spend. The reactions to this post have been interesting, particularly the assertion that if you don't fall in lockstep with a certain point of view, that you're not being genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:47 PM
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Yes, absolutely. Here's the theory: When a man says he absolutely can't land a single date for the life of him, he's not lying. Men lie to increase their numbers, not decrease them. It actually takes a lot of courage for a man to admit he can't attract anyone at all. Many people will actually take this as a cue to try to point out anything and everything they can find wrong with the man making the admission to try to invalidate his experiences. Due to this, most people are really only comfortabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 08:55 PM
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The alternative explanation that doesn't require multiple paragraphs is that when somebody calls somebody else an "incel", they are insulting them for not having sex. Your penultimate paragraph I found particularly amusing - do you genuinely believe that when somebody uses the words "autist" or "retard" they're not expressing prejudice towards the disabled, and in the case of "retard", not trying to make the other person feel intellectually inferior? People misspeak sometimes sure, but this isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:29 PM
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I don't really agree with this. You said that a lot of misogyny is caused by western society putting pressure on men to have sex, but as FFTzzz has already pointed out, the west is extremely egalitarian compared to most of the rest of the world. I agree that in the west sexually unsuccessful men are called losers/incels, but from my experience, it's been feminists doing most of the shaming, not the frat bro boogeyman they like to blame it on. Initially I took you at your word that young upper mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:20 PM
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Literally didn't even attempt to refute the factual part of my text, can't say I expected anything different. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:43 PM
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Well first, the OP is asking why men who don't meet these supposed "minimum standards" get dates. So you didn't read the post. Yes I'm sure the older generation of women all secretly think their husbands and brothers are utterly worthless. This take is straight out of FDS and is completely delusional. Finally, no, a sizeable portion of dudes can't get a date or have sex (source: General Social Survey), that number only seems to increase, and it's always been well above the unemployment rate. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:03 PM
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My mistake. The twitter thread I linked is from the author of the article and has all relevant graphs in it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 10:57 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?utm_term=.af1c97d02d0a https://twitter.com/\_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 10:36 PM
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The dating world does reflect the high standards that women have though. The general social survey showed that around 30% of men 18-30 had not had sex in the last year, compared with 18% of women. But the kicker is that the % of men who had not had sex since turning 18 was only 1% lower than the men who hadn't had sex in the past year. And it's not a stretch to say that the actual virginity statistics are going to be higher than this, because this is the #1 thing that young men lie about. So wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 10:06 PM
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He was talking about both casual sex and relationships. You're not wrong that being a fuck boy isn't going to make you mature, but what's much more damaging is being alone for all those years instead, as human beings are social animals. Unfortunately a few men having a lot of casual sex and other men not being to get any attention at all aren't unrelated occurrences, and that seems to be what you didn't pick up on from his post. My response to you is the same as my response to the OP. Actually, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 05:27 PM
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I have problems with how the study was conducted and I don't think it holds much water, but I agree with the idea that sexually unsuccessful men appear to have much more conservative political views. However, I think this is more the result of the failures of the left wing in the culture war more than anything else. The bitter pill to swallow is that policy ideas such as expanding government spending, or cultural ideas such as challenging beauty standards aren't unmarketable ideas to unsuccessfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 06:25 PM
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I thought I'd respond to this briefly. I appreciate that pick up artists have had negative social consequences. The poll numbers show that 65% of the general public think #MeToo has made dating life more difficult for men, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they think the norm is men harassing women for dates. The 'right time and place' is a subjective thing - a lot of women aren't going to want to be approached even in social venues. What I meant to highlight was that men are expected to ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:47 AM
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Yes, it's not surprising that men say it's more difficult to approach people, since men are expected to do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to approaching and initial flirting. 65% of the general public say #MeToo has made dating more difficult for men. Its actual legal effects are unclear, but now there's greater concern that picking the wrong time/place to ask for dates could come across as harassment, and that fear isn't completely unfounded. I'm not entirely sure why you think men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:01 AM
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The data you posted contradicts your comment, the 31% of all adults figure obviously includes the higher age brackets which are naturally going to have less single people. Among young men 18-29 , that number is 51%, so actually a majority of young men can't pair off with anyone. Even looking at the 30-49 bracket, the % of single men is still noticeably higher than the % of single women. So the data shows that a significant number of men are single in the younger age brackets, but what we can als…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:23 PM
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This comment is wrong and lazy. In the articles linked in the OP, the women are complaining about not receiving compliments on their physical appearance, or people no longer finding them attractive. These complaints are clearly linked to sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 11:03 AM
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"High value man" isn't a mindset, it's a position of status in society. Sure it would be great if you could just willpower a high paying job into existence and be handsome, but that option just simply isn't available to everyone. The "pick up hobbies that make you feel good about yourself" isn't some revelation. Most men already do have interesting hobbies, but a meme has been pushed very successfully that if you're unattractive to women, it's surely because you sit in the basement and play vide…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 10:01 PM
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No, physical attractiveness is not the key to absolute happiness. However, it does help shield you from a number of experiences which are bound to make you unhappy. The second thing attractiveness (and fame, granted) does is make people more sympathetic to your struggles. So when your issues specifically arise from not being attractive, and then people are spectacularly unempathetic to your struggles, it is reasonable to talk about being attractive as a huge privilege. I don't agree with casual …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 09:16 PM
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I never claimed that the data showed an average of years, only that it tracked trends by asking the same question over time, which it does. That's going to be more useful to look at than one single anomalous year. I am unclear on the specifics, but the general social survey is only carried out once every 2 years. There appears to have been some delay in this release. You can see that from the data set here: https://gss.norc.org/get-the-data/stata The next survey after 2018 was taken in the year …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:12 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/4C7SSBIXSNFCLOJIGCWUOKDYTY.png&w=916 Article in first link, data I'm referring to in the second. What you see initially is the % of men who are sexless is different from year to year, but stays at around the same level - when it increases one year, it decreases the next.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 03:14 PM
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Unfortunately, the article doesn't mean much. You've asked elsewhere why this individual year hasn't received as much traction as the previous data. Firstly, data that shows the same question being asked over multiple years is going to show trends much better than data that only shows a single year. The 2018 data from the general social survey tracked consistent trends over a number of years, it did not suddenly lurch up or down in a small timespan. Secondly, this year is anomalous, let me be cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:36 AM
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