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Yes, you are correct. The thing that makes someone attractive to others is self-actualization. In very general terms, that means figuring out what you are all about, developing a strong concept of self and realizing your full potential. The biggest mistake that people make is resigning themselves to being average, which is the opposite of self-actualization. The second most important thing is, of course, learning how to spot red flags early so that you don't get into relationship that's bad for …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 06:37 PM
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All online dating advice is terrible in one way or another. The best dating advice will always come from your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:54 PM
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Yes, you're correct. I love horror media and some people on here say things that make me do a double take. Like bro, if you just casually say stuff that puts horror villains to shame, you're going to have a lot of trouble talking to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:05 PM
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In most cases, it's extremely obvious why someone isn't getting any dates. Most people are just too nice to say it out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:00 PM
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Divorce is a separate problem, but the root cause is still the same. If they stop liking you, you get divorced. Back to square one. Date people who actually like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:37 PM
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You can date up too. The only thing that matters is whether they actually like you or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:30 PM
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Yes, dating someone who actually likes you is fun and relaxing. Don't try to date people who don't like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:28 PM
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Urban Dictionary's entry on the black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:08 AM
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Most self-proclaimed red pillers on this subreddit are actually black pillers. Temper your expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:55 AM
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Yes, that's why people go on dates to get to know each other better and hopefully spot any potential red flags early. A lack of confidence is correlated with more undesirable traits than confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:37 AM
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Confidence is correlated with other desirable traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:20 AM
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The first step towards getting good at something is admitting that you suck at it. If you can't get dates, you objectively suck at dating. Pick absolutely any activity. The pros are always open to the idea that they actually suck at it, and that's what allows them to continue to improve. Your defensive attitude is why you suck at dating and can't even make that first step towards getting better at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:01 AM
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Yeah, not everyone wants to do math either but we recognize that being able to do math is good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:00 PM
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No reading and TikTok = infinitesimal attention spans.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:57 PM
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You can't be serious. Sports has always been a part of any balanced education program.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:53 PM
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More reading. It's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:36 PM
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Stop using online dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:02 PM
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Anger is an intermediate stage between denial and acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:37 AM
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People who complain about being single are, more often than not, simply bored. When your day is filled with interesting activities and you are working towards your goals, you don't feel like you are missing out on anything. Being a fun, active person is also one of the best things you can do for your dating prospects. No one wants to date someone who is perpetually bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:32 AM
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Finally some good dating advice. The OP is right on all counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:56 PM
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Most of them. Like I said, people just going about their daily business want to be left alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:53 PM
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He managed to figure out a very common piece of red pill advice: the best way to socialize is in situations where you have to get along with other people because it's advantageous. This is why the red pill suggests that you should host parties instead of simply attending someone else's party: people don't just ignore the party host. But no, the OP just ignored this epiphany and went back to complaining about random strangers in public not wanting to socialize.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:34 PM
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Come on, man. Those subreddits are full of people who are shamelessly lying about how much effort they have actually put in. Or are exceptionally bad at assessing their own efforts. Not sure which is worse. Admitting that you suck at something and making an honest effort to improve is always the first step towards success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:52 PM
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Show me a guy who does everything right but still can't get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:36 PM
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Implying that pro sociologists, historians and economists have a "correct" understanding of their subjects lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:31 PM
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They are reading those books for entertainment, not because they want to become pro historians.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:24 PM
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OP is the poster boy for the Ignored Epiphany trope. By default, people don't want to be bothered. They don't want to get know you either. If you want to meet someone, you have 2 options: Participate in group activities. Stand out from the crowd in an interesting (but positive) way. Combine both for best results.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:09 PM
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Standards for relationships are stricter than for friendships. In a relationship, you have to spend a lot of time around the other person. With friendships, you can just tell them to shove it and go home if they are being annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:25 PM
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People recommend friendships because having friends is strictly better than not having friends and friends will provide you with a real life support network while you figure out how to get into a relationship. It's not a substitute, it's a foundation. Also, meeting people through mutual friends or shared activities is a lot easier than both cold approaching and online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:55 PM
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Just because something hasn't worked for you, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:49 PM
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Very few people are actually ugly. Like maybe 1 in 10000 unlucky. If you get to a decent body fat % and take care of your skin, you will most likely have a pleasant-looking face. From there, you just find a haircut and/or a beard/mustache (if relevant) style that works for you and it's gg, done.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:00 AM
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This is the internet. People say insane things all the time. Sometimes they are trolling, other times they are saying things that should have stayed as shower thoughts. Whenever in doubt, apply a sanity check. Just because something is technically grammatically correct, it does not mean that it's valid or even coherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 06:11 PM
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No, they will literally ask you out on a date if they like you enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:50 PM
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Natty or juice?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:24 PM
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This used to be common knowledge back in the day. Going on dates with someone who actually finds you attractive is extremely fun and easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:21 PM
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I wasn't the one who made the original point lol. This was in response to: "But there surely is a lack of women making content which would appeal to males."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:32 AM
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I can guarantee you that you have watched a ton of movies and TV series that were written, directed and produced by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:17 AM
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Last time it was top 10% men. And before that it was top 20%. It seems like even Chad has been struggling ever since Thad moved into town.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:00 PM
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Copy-pasting entire threads is the new meta.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:46 PM
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Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:27 AM
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It's actually the other way around. The passive strategy will always be the easiest and the best approach to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:21 AM
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What you describe as the blue pill position would have been considered a red pill position just a couple of years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:43 PM
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Bro, you just copy-pasted the other post lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:47 PM
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No, honestly, I don't get this line of reasoning. Pick any activity / hobby / career and watch a pro at work. You immediately know which areas you are lacking in and can form a plan to improve. Why is it that when it comes to dating, people are suddenly incapable of self-reflection?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:12 PM
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You aren't going to chop firewood in a city. Does that mean that city boys can't have friendships?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:04 PM
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I think that if we narrow down the problem to the internet, it will self-correct. In a couple of years, every corner of the internet will be flooded by generative AI content and you will have bots talking at each other on social media platforms. Once that happens, people will stop spending so much time online simply because the internet will stop being cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:42 PM
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It was a business decision to make the dudes who weren't getting any messages stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:03 PM
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You can actually take a passive approach to dating as a dude. In fact, it's probably the easiest approach and brings the best results. Find a way to stand out from the crowd, done.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:45 PM
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If you are still salty about the bear, you were not looking for a substantive response anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:29 PM
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Salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:19 PM
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Do you have a better solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 12:34 PM
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Surprisingly, there's some overlap between e-sports pros and fitness enthusiasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 09:03 AM
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Yes, eating clean, grooming yourself and going to the gym are all zoomer inventions. Come on, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:00 AM
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Good catch! Changed to penguins.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:30 AM
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Honestly, it's hard to explain to zoomers how much more sociable people used to be. Even something as simple as picking up a new music CD used to be a social experience because you'd have to go down to the local record store. Doubly so if you were looking for non-mainstream music. Now you just click on Spotify and that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:21 AM
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The "male loneliness crisis" is a misnomer. It's a late Gen-Y / Gen-Z loneliness crisis. And to be blunt, it's not a loneliness crisis either. Unless you are stationed at research facility in Antarctica with only penguins for company, there is no excuse for not being able to make friends. Even the most overbearing nanny state in the world wouldn't be able to hold your hand and force you to go outside and make connections with other people. It's a "perpetually online" crisis. Switch off your phon…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:36 AM
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I mean yea, consider this: If you want to get better at lifting, who do you listen to? Red pill content creators or pro athletes and bodybuilders? If you want to get better at your career of choice, who do you listen to? Red pill content creators or industry experts? If you want to become more sociable, who do you listen to? Red pill content creators or improv experts? After learning the basics, there's no point in sticking around unless you want to talk philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:25 PM
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Come on, man. Pretty much any gymbro will tell you to "just lift, bro". If you insist on movies, did you not watch James Bond?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:06 PM
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Once again, "self-awareness or irony doesn't change public perception". Edit: got a better example. There are videos on YouTube where prankers talk like gang members and throw up gang signs and then get surprised when they get in trouble with law enforcement or, even worse, actual gang members. Being ironic doesn't protect you from public perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:35 PM
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"Self-awareness or irony doesn't change public perception". The public is not obligated to interpret what you are saying in a way that is favorable to you. If you talk mad smack, people will react accordingly regardless of what you actually mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:13 PM
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Ken White's "Rule of Goats."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 11:33 AM
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Yeah, well, saying that "women don't find most men attractive" is not the way to go about finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:35 PM
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Believing that you are "unwanted" is not reality, it's your insecurity demons running rampant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:12 PM
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Equating romantic rejection with that is where the defeatist part comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:01 PM
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It's really not. There's a reason why positive support groups are incompatible with a completely defeatist attitude like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:52 PM
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It's just a cheap way to claim the moral high ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:46 PM
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Assessing your own performance and making adjustments is a skill that you can practice. It probably won't be great at first, but the more you do it, the more accurate you will become.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:56 PM
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Not only is it possible, it's extremely easy. Use a mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:39 PM
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There's 2 components to dating: 1) You need to be attractive. 2) You need to meet people. This advice takes care of 2). But you also have to get 1) sorted out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:02 PM
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"Leopards ate my face"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:47 AM
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It's a green flag. Not advocating for your own interests is bizarre in more ways than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:51 AM
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No, they simply don't mention those things at all, because it's common sense. If you eschew common sense in favor of over-explaining everything, there's literally no limit to how low the bar can drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:03 PM
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Should companies mention that applicants should be able to read and write as a requirement on job postings?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 12:33 PM
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Bro, you can't go around being rude to other people and insulting them. Well, I guess you can, but people generally have manners. "You're a nice guy, but..." is just a socially acceptable way of rejecting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:56 AM
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This is always so bizarre. Do people not want to have an organized, tidy home?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:10 AM
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Or their metabolic system just gives out earlier because they are smaller. You don't actually know what's causing it, you're just speculating. And who cares about other people's preferences? If you are a short, straight dude, your target audience is: 1) short women who want to date someone who is the same height as them. 2) short women who want to date someone who is slightly taller than them. 3) tall women who want to date someone who is shorter than them. Instead of focusing on people who don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:47 AM
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It also says that substance abuse may be the culprit. In fact, substance abuse is the only proposed mechanism that they have evidence for. You're choosing to fixate on one sentence in the paper and ignore everything else. And no, being short is neutral. In fact, short people have an advantage in lifting and look swole with way less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:27 AM
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Please actually read the study that you have linked instead of just posting a part of the abstract. The researchers have proposed several potential explanations and discrimination is only one of them. They aren't making any claims about what's causing this pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:07 AM
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With the exception of a very tiny minority of jobs with height requirements, they aren't being discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:48 AM
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You've got it twisted. People know that it's an acquired attitude and that makes it worse because it's something that they have control over and yet they choose to start beefing with other people over someone's height.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:39 AM
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Just give people more money. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:11 PM
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Because they try to make detailed profiles instead of just throwing up a couple of gym mirror selfies with a tripod and Gymshark merch on display.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:41 PM
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Link those studies in the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:04 PM
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Do you realize that those "identical twins separated at birth" stories get played up by the media to farm more clicks? The producers dress them in identical clothes and highlight similar aspects of their lives because "look! their lives are almost identical!" makes for a more interesting story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:56 PM
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Lol, talking up your dudes while tearing down the other side is like the oldest rabble-rousing tactic in the history of everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:42 PM
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People get in and out of relationships all the time. Not everyone you meet will be single when you first become friends. Additionally, people change over time. It's entirely possible that those feelings will only develop later. In fact, it's pretty common for people within an extended friends group to have dated each other in various configurations. You should be thinking in years, not weeks or months.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:03 AM
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Most of the pushback you are seeing comes from people who are sick and tired of having manosphere acolytes infiltrate their communities and start peddling their nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:25 AM
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"Taking pictures of you doing cool things" = big mistake. Just lift and take a gym mirror selfie with a tripod and some Gymshark merch on display. That's all you need. Having a detailed profile and high-effort photos is making you seem like a tryhard.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:37 PM
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If you are filling your day with fun and productive activities, you don't really feel like you're missing out on anything. Ironically, living your life to the fullest and not giving a damn about dating is probably the best dating strategy there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:58 PM
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Not only is it possible, it's also probably the easiest and most time-efficient strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:44 PM
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There are men who get ludicrous amounts of attention from women. The only difference between those blokes and the average dude is that they know how to appeal to women. Building yourself up to be the kind of guy who gets asked out by women instead of having to be the one to make the first move used to be common dating knowledge, but it got lost somewhere along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:32 PM
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Someone who holds both themselves and others to a high standard = best.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:15 AM
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The messaging when it comes to "social skills" is a bit contradictory. For example, you can be empathetic and a good listener. Or you can just be loud and talk over people. Both can bring the results that you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:19 PM
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🗿
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:09 PM
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In broad strokes, you want to be emotionally independent but not closed off. So I wouldn't try to replace one form of emotional dependence with another. In terms of achieving emotional independence, the most powerful technique is meditation. If you learn how to recognize your own emotions, acknowledge them and let them run their course in a controlled and harmless manner, you are already 99% of the way there. It doesn't have to be anything super serious, you can do it very casually for 30 minute…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:11 PM
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He is probably somewhat confusing cause and effect. A stable career and physical and mental health are likely to be good predictors of one's ability to maintain a long-term relationship. That's not to say that being married can't also have a positive impact on those things. I haven't read his book so I don't know, maybe he presents a stronger argument there. In terms of men being emotionally reliant on women, he is 100% correct. That's not to say that men can't learn to be more emotionally indep…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:52 AM
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To expand on this, there are entire professions in which you have to be able to read someone's body language and correctly infer what they are meaning to say in order to succeed. It's easy to tell if someone is a corporate spokesperson just based off the kind of vocabulary and speech patterns that they use. It's similarly easy to tell if someone is a representative of a certain internet subculture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:18 AM
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I think it's more of a misunderstanding as to what "vulnerability" actually means. Some people think that it means being more open about your emotions and feelings. It can be about sharing positive emotions too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:17 PM
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Metal elitism is trve and kvlt. "Wimps and posers, leave the hall!"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:20 PM
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Where's the bear option?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 04:13 PM
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I would
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:39 PM
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That's not a Chad. You're describing a Brad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:37 PM
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Next time, lowkey describe some Warcraft characters. Bonus points if you describe Varian as a "single dad".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 12:30 PM
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"Kingsmourne" is kind of a giveaway that you do!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 12:15 PM
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You are #1, aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:43 AM
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Antarctica
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 02:05 AM
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Who is telling men to be lame?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 01:58 AM
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Flirting is extremely overrated. If someone likes you and wants to go on a date with you, you can pretty much say anything and it will still work, as long as you aren't being obnoxious, rude or start insulting them. If someone doesn't like you, you probably won't be able to get them to change their mind anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:22 PM
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It actually does. More girl friends = more chance of one of them asking you out or introducing you to their other girl friends who might ask you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:50 PM
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People always want to learn from their own mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:23 AM
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If you are aiming to be below average in anything, you are going to have major issues regardless of what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:08 AM
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It's possible, but it's also a skill issue. Desire is also qualitatively different from entitlement. It's perfectly fine to want something. In fact, most people spring into action precisely because they want something. Entitlement is complaining that you need something and then demanding that it be handed to you for free without having to put in any effort yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:53 AM
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Just because it's possible to be happy without a relationship, it doesn't mean that relationships aren't also nice to be in. It's not an either/or kind of situation. If someone just can't make being single work, advising them to do something to improve their dating situation is also valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:29 AM
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Unless someone is a hermit, they are surrounded by thousands upon thousands of people. That's more than enough to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:24 AM
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If someone is complaining about being single, then they do have a problem. You are contradicting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:19 AM
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If being single is causing you that much distress, then do something about it. It can take as few as 2 years to completely turn your life around. At some point, sitting around and being miserable is going to do you no favors and you have to start doing something to improve your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:29 AM
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No, all dating apps are uniformly lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:48 AM
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In that case, who exactly is telling dudes to be lame? If social messaging is the same as it has always been?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:42 AM
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You're trying to make a point that society is trying to make dudes lame. How can that possibly be reconciled with there still being tons of fiction about super manly dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:32 AM
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There is tons of fiction about manly dudes doing badass things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:27 AM
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Who is trying to condition men to be "weak and submissive"? The education system tries to promote academic and athletic excellence. Literally no one is telling men to be lame. These dudes really are fighting imaginary enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:05 AM
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Someone having dated in the past is not a "transgression" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:00 AM
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What's better advice? "Sabotage your relationship because of your jealousy issues"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:53 AM
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It's also projection. Most of the self-designated "nice guys" aren't actually all that nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:45 AM
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The people who are doing the shaming don't actually care about society. It's just a cheap way to knock someone else down to make yourself feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:27 AM
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It's a subreddit with close to a million participants and posts reaching thousands of comments on a weekly basis. You're equating that to... 2 TikTok videos. What do you want me to do? Launch an international conference on teaching and send you the video recording?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 06:12 PM
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No, it isn't. Ask pretty much anyone who works in education and they will tell you that things have taken a turn for the worse in the 2010s. Just look up any teacher-centric subreddit. Nothing but complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:42 PM
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Restore education funding so that critical thinking and basic media literacy is taught in schools again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:30 PM
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How can he teach anyone anything when he doesn't even know how to do push ups with proper form?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:56 AM
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Why was there a need for the Red Pill at all if other communities were already promoting the same basic ideas? Like seriously, why would you read the Red Pill's extremely watered-down take on fitness and bodybuilding if you can get better advice directly from pro athletes and bodybuilders?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 08:49 AM
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Red pill = PUA for millennials (with extra grift). Black pill = PUA for zoomers (with even more grift). PUA eventually circles back to blue pill ideas such as "be yourself".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 06:58 AM
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They may not do it overtly, but those attitudes tend to leak out in unpredictable ways. People are not dumb and can pick up on the fact that someone has a bad attitude even before they go ahead and say something that confirms it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:58 PM
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If he throws around gendered slurs as liberally as the poster you are replying to does, then yes he will get rejected in a harsh manner. Once you start being rude and insult people, all bets are off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:45 PM
4

How many people recording on their phones are there in a club? What about someone's bedroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:51 PM
4

You wanna stick a camera in someone's bedroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:48 PM
3

It's not hard to find a video of someone winning the lottery either. In fact, it only takes a couple of seconds. It's almost as if unusual / unlikely videos are the ones that garner the most interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:44 PM
-1

Both scenarios are equally implausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:35 PM
1

No wonder they are not getting any results if they are going to the gym just to run on the treadmill. You are supposed to be hitting the weights.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:03 AM
2

He's basically a grossly exaggerated version of a Chad who takes being a Chad too far and always gets into trouble because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:03 PM
4

It's Lad from the Virgin vs. Chad comics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:44 PM
1

Unless you are arguing that dating should fall within the purview of politics, this comparison kind of doesn't hold up. You aren't going to change how other people behave, so you might as well focus on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:32 PM
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No, it really does depend. Once you are high enough on the competitive ladder, those aren't just your "mates" anymore. Those are hyper-competitive pros who expect you to be able to perform and achieve good results for the team. You mess up, and the next moment they are gone to look for a more competent leader. At that level, you have to learn how to deal with a bunch of extremely difficult personalities who will be constantly challenging your leadership. And obviously you won't go far unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:16 PM
1

If you extend fashion to cover "fashionable haircuts", then yeah it totally can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:57 PM
1

That doesn't mean that we can't point out that most of these issues can be avoided entirely if you play it smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:56 PM
3

Come on, dude. Like 99% of fashion is designed to make people look good. Don't tell me that you didn't know that people try to wear clothes that make them seem slimmer?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:45 PM
2

Why would you care about social group dynamics in dating? It's not your job to set people up on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:42 PM
3

Using this logic, any kind of accessories or clothing can be interpreted as "being dishonest".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:35 PM
5

You can look good both with and without makeup. It's not an either/or kind of situation. Makeup is just an additional, fun way of expressing yourself. It's not necessarily about concealing something or being inauthentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 12:48 PM
1

You're right that there are no real world consequences for messing up. But that means that people are also free to behave in an extremely antisocial manner. Trying to lead while all members of your team are fighting both you and each other every step of the way is uniquely challenging and mostly doesn't happen in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:07 AM
1

Have you done either?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:41 AM
0

Once again, it depends. If you play a multiplayer game where you have to assume a leadership role, your social skills will skyrocket to the point that most real life interactions will become trivially easy. For example, one of the first things that you learn in an environment like that is that confidence, initiative, pacing and proper diction are almost necessary if you want to hold people's attention. Once you master those skills, you can navigate practically any social situation in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:55 AM
3

It all depends on how you use video games. If you challenge yourself and push yourself outside of your comfort zone, you can pick up some pretty neat skills that can be transferred to other areas of your life. If you are just grinding mobile gacha games all day long, then yeah, it's not gonna be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:59 AM
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Nah, sometimes you want to put in minimum effort to conserve energy. Knowing which tasks to do a shoddy job of is also an important life skill. It's more that most things don't go according to plan unless you are insanely lucky, so your actual results will be worse than your expected results. Aiming to be average is thus a recipe for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:43 AM
1

So? You probably wouldn't want to date someone who values looks and looks alone anyway so you aren't missing out on anything if they're going on dating apps instead of hanging out at social venues. Gaming dating apps is also extremely easy if you know what you are doing. The dating woes of the average man shouldn't be your personal concern because you should never be aiming to be average.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:06 AM
3

You can always just uninstall online dating apps and go outside to socialize. Most people aren't on online dating apps anyway. If you insist on using online dating apps, then learn how to take good pictures. It's literally the only thing that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:51 AM
3

After you exhaust all of the cliched ideas for a date night, you probably want to have at least one shared interest so that there is something to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:07 PM
1

He's a good lad these days!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:55 PM
1

What's below hell? The primordial abyss?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:36 PM
2

I'm pretty sure that games are intentionally being designed to be as time-consuming as possible these days. Competitive raiding in World of Warcraft used to take maybe 6-9 hours a week back in the 2000s. Then it ramped up to about 20 hours by mid 2010s. Then it started getting sketchy with 30 hours or more in 2020s. Even traditionally casual games like Battlefield now have that seasonal play nonsense with battle passes and FOMO. Not sustainable for anyone with a job and a social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:13 PM
2

I'm a blue piller and I'm telling you right now that looks are the single most important factor in getting a date. You know the blue pill trope of "love at first sight"? Yeah, it's that. Not "love at first joke" or "love at first deep, soulful conversation".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:01 PM
1

Ironic saying that in a thread full of blue pillers confirming that yes, looks do matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:55 PM
0

I don't remember anyone ever lying to me about women valuing looks. The Beast from Beauty and the Beast? Prince Charming? Prince Eric? All handsome dudes. Disney is peak political correctness, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:53 PM
0

As simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:42 PM
1

Who is lying to you? What polite society? Gymbros have been telling everyone to start lifting for decades now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:41 PM
6

Education is not receiving enough funding, so they aren't teaching critical thinking or reading between the lines in schools anymore. Correctly inferring meaning from limited information is a learned skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:27 PM
14

Would you be friends with someone whom you have nothing in common with? You don't need to share all of your interests, but if you literally have nothing in common, then that relationship is cooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:56 PM
2

Exactly. Unless you are dating someone who is also into gaming, or has done some gaming in the past, a 12-hour-long binge is simply not something that you will be able to negotiate. In that case, you don't have a lot of wiggle room. There are plenty of other hobbies that can also become dealbreakers so it's something to keep in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:40 AM
1

Anime is not nearly as bad, but gaming can become a major pain point very quickly. Example: modern gaming is often seasonal, which means that you will binge-play for 12 hours a day for a week and then not play at all for several months. Binge-playing like that is not something that most people will put up with. It's not like some other hobby that you can do for 20, 40 or 60 minutes a day whenever you have free time. It's designed to require long stretches of uninterrupted play.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:59 AM
1

It can work, but it will very likely result in major conflict at some point down the road regardless. Have to decide whether it will work or not on a case-by-case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:47 AM
3

Hmm, not sure about that. Those four points that the OP brought up are all very specific and niche activities. Stuff like lifting and sorting your career out is very general and has plenty of secondary effects. The rule here is that you want to get the "fundamentals" right before even attempting to branch out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:38 AM
10

Start lifting. Get his career or studies sorted out. Work on being confident and chill. After those are sorted out, he can branch out into other areas of self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:14 AM
1

Good analysis. There are specialized forums for these kinds of discussions. I don't think I have ever seen anyone on Reddit get it even remotely "right".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:08 AM
1

Because it's kinda cringe and this hypothetical person is missing out on a ton of great art by being adamantly against video games and anime.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:06 AM
2

Is this a trick question?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:04 AM
1

Yes. There are hermits who rarely, if ever, interact with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:40 AM
1

Because they aren't addicted to online smut.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:38 AM
2

Lift, get a broccoli or a broccoli-adjacent haircut and some Gymshark merch and your attractiveness will skyrocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:59 AM
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It's not contradictory. They just like interpreting it in the most preposterous way possible to justify being offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:32 AM
0

It is. Get out of your comfort zone and do something challenging. Most people who complain about how "hard" dating is have no concept of what "hard" actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:12 AM
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You solve some problems by talking about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:15 PM
3

Someone who is both attractive and nice will still do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:10 PM
9

Balance. You can be both nice and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:05 PM
-3

What the hell even is the "feminine process"? Is getting a handle on your emotional state not manly enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:02 PM
6

Looks like no one on dating apps knows about the power of gym mirror selfies. Especially if you can get some Gymshark merch on display and a tripod.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:52 PM
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Salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:24 PM
12

People always try to make themselves look better, while trash-talking others. Don't trust everything you read online.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:09 PM
35

Reason 4321 why you shouldn't use online dating apps. Also, two sides to every story.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:59 PM
7

This entire thread is a pile-up car crash lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:02 PM
2

"Incoherent anger" is how men generally express themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:23 PM
2

Even the most empathetic person in the world has their limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:07 PM
4

It's curious how these topics always center on trying to offload negative emotions on someone instead of sharing positive emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:29 PM
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How is it not helping? Whenever I feel bad, I listen to music that makes me feel better. Media is a legitimate way of working through your emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:11 PM
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Isn't that the entire purpose of media? To evoke emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:04 PM
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Why are they equating "opening up" to being a complete, out-of-control emotional wreck? Emotional vulnerability can be as simple as saying "yeah, this movie really resonated with me." An incoherently angry adult is something that no one wants to deal with. Save that for anger management classes, not dates with your significant other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:48 PM
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They aren't criticized for having "high" standards. They are criticized for having superficial standards. I'm yet to see anyone here list any standards that are actually high.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:33 PM
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That's what I meant, though. Once it becomes possible to just live in virtual worlds 24/7, there will be fewer people going outside but it will probably be very easy to make friends with them just by trash-talking social media and generative AI content.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:22 PM
10

Exhibit 1234 why you shouldn't use dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:31 PM
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Standards don't scale linearly vs. options. By not setting any standards, they are scaring away everyone who is even halfway serious about the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:40 PM
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Hot take but it's going to become a lot easier to socialize in a decade or so just because wanting human contact will become enough of a commonality to make that first step towards friendship. The world is not ready for virtual reality worlds and hyper-personalized generative content.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:22 AM
25

Somehow, the Bear has returned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:00 PM
1

The idiom "out of the frying pan into the fire" is very apt here. The grass is always greener on the other side. Or maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:54 PM
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Nah, that's admitting defeat. You're just going to let some out-of-control emotions ruin a friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:38 PM
1

Sounds like a great opportunity to practice emotional self-control!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:35 PM
1

Idk dude, have to wait for more obvious signs of attraction, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:17 PM
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If it's someone you don't know very well, you can just ask them if they want to go out on a date. Doesn't have to be an entire confession. If it's a friend, you will know if there is mutual attraction. It's so obvious that you don't have to do anything special.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:02 PM
-1

Easy peasy, don't confess your feelings to someone unless you are dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 11:53 AM
4

But why? You are missing out on 50% of potential friends AND you're not getting the benefit of having your girl friends introduce you to other girls whom you might end up dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 11:31 AM
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Yo this is cooked. In real life, you can create a good impression by being chill and sociable, which is something that a lot of people find very attractive. On online dating apps, people are just rating your profile pics and that's it. Unless someone's personality is extremely off-putting, they will be more attractive in person than online.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:39 AM
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Nah, it's just segmented. The normal "dating market" is the same as it has always been. Online dating is insane for various reasons and people are better off just deleting their apps instead of trying to make them work. What has changed is that that the internet has made it very easy to accidentally isolate yourself from human contact and fail to pick up social skills. Even in the 90s, if you were a gamer, you would go down to the arcade to play with the lads. Or go over your friend's house to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:12 AM
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Damn, throwing some subtle shade at science here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:34 PM
5

Just preemptively pointing out the obvious when the red pill squad shows up and starts accusing people of lying about their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:17 PM
6

Take note that in these kinds of discussions, people talk about the external expressions of various traits rather than the traits in and of themselves. You never know if someone's confidence is genuine confidence, overconfidence, arrogance or just someone being really good at faking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:08 PM
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Radical feminists spend more time fighting liberal feminists than MRAs lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 02:13 PM
9

Villaincourt? How does one get a surname like that? Edit: the OP got her surname wrong. Damn. I'm still gonna pretend that it's Villaincourt, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:25 AM
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Where did I say arrogance? I said slight overconfidence. It's the thing that actually allows you to stay in the game even when everyone else is giving up left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:16 AM
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Nah honestly a bit of overconfidence is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:46 AM
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The "variety" and "compulsion" parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:31 AM
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Lol I'm a dude and this is patently false.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:27 AM
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Finding other people attractive doesn't mean that you have to think about them in those contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:22 AM
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It's bulking time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:46 AM
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It's not about "deserving" either of those things. Other people decide whether or not someone is going to get sympathy and support. It doesn't have to be rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:38 AM
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The reason they are citing it as a "need" is because they are couch potatoes who just scroll on TikTok all day long. If you fill your day with productive activities, you don't feel like you are missing out on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:25 AM
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Nah, SARMs are all the rage these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:01 PM
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People these days think that just looking at a barbell will turn them into a hulking mountain of muscles lol. Thanks, TikTok.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:49 PM
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It's called hardgaining these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:44 PM
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It works the same as it has worked for decades now. Turn off your phone, invest in yourself, go outside and make friends with people. When you are a well-rounded person with an active social life, dating is easy peasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 12:36 PM
-1

What the hell, dude? Do you live in douchebag central or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 09:13 AM
-1

Any dude can defeat social isolation by simply going down to the local pub to banter with the lads. You can even order juice if you don't like alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 08:56 AM
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That's the thing, it's not actually hard. Most people who are complaining about dating have no concept of what "hard" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:09 AM
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Bro, everyone experiences hardship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 03:22 AM
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There are no "objective measures of facial attractiveness."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 03:17 AM
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Wasn't one of the first pieces of red pill advice basically "just lift, bro"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 06:34 PM
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It's also important to remember that just because someone has had a bad experience, it doesn't mean that others will have one as well. You can pick pretty much any activity and there will be throngs of people yelling about how it's the worst thing ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:52 AM
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There's no definition of the blue pill beyond "not the red pill" so it can mean whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:21 AM
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MGTOW was about "going your own way" only on paper though. 99% of it was just dudes complaining about their exes. Unless you get an endless influx of newly divorced dudes, a movement like that can't be sustained because there's just no point in being there after you chill out and go on with your life. That's why it was displaced by black pill communities: broader appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:03 AM
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Most red pill advice is also just a more explicit and practical version of blue pill advice. "Hold frame" = "be confident". Anyway, the red pill is a dating strategy for straight dudes who like women. Of course it's going to be centered around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 08:19 AM
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Persistence is generally a positive trait. If people quit at the first sign of trouble, we would still be living in the Stone Age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:07 PM
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Revenge of the BEAR.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:32 PM
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That is not being nice, that is just not having a reason to be mad. Actually being nice is the ability to remain kind and compassionate even when things aren't going so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:22 PM
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You're only trolling yourself by being mad about dumb stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:19 PM
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Chad is a nice guy, unlike the dudes who are getting mad because some lady doesn't want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:16 PM
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You can twist anything to be negative if you try hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:11 PM
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Your loss
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:19 PM
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Twilight
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:17 PM
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Like I've mentioned elsewhere, this is the result of spending too much time online. Online communication is very basic and formulaic so you end up never learning to interpret words into actual meaning. Here's an example: someone says that personality matters. A normal person interprets it as "if we hold everything else constant, a person with a more pleasant personality will do better." On the other hand, terminally online people interpret it as "as long as you have a pleasant personality, nothi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:50 AM
-1

This is complete cap. Most dudes just plateau after newbie gains and don't know how to keep progressing because their diet / sleep / programming is bad. You can look at Alex Leonidas or Chris Heria for an example of what years of consistent natty progress look like. Most dudes aren't anywhere near that kind of physique after just 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:18 AM
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If you are attractive, being a pleasant person to be around is a massive boost when you are dating. That's why people say that personality matters. As for dudes complaining about "being lied to", really? Did you not watch any Disney cartoons when you were a kid? Are you not familiar with "Prince Charming"? Use some common sense and start inferring meaning from context. If we had to explicitly spell out every thing that is immediately obvious, we would just be talking in rambling monologues at ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:11 AM
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Look on the bright side. If someone gets pushy after a dinner date, you can save yourself a lot of headache down the road by getting the hell out of Dodge right away. Few red flags are as glaring as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:35 AM
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If you don't think that your fitness or career is holding you back, then it's obviously something else. Find out what it is and get to work on it and you will be going on awesome dates very soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:31 AM
2

If you are under 30, you are just at the beginning of your career. Maybe you won't become a billionaire, but there is plenty of room for growth. Also what the hell is this about aging? You are under 30. Chill out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:26 AM
1

Unless you have been training for close to a decade, you are nowhere near your natty limit. Anyway, you might see diminishing returns after a while but there's no "upper bound" to self-improvement. If you plateaued in the gym or in your career, you can always find other areas of self-improvement to work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:13 AM
2

How did you miss the fact that people want to date people whom they find attractive? Literally everyone is talking about it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:41 AM
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Your last paragraph describes red pillers pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:08 AM
2

This is the result of being online too much. Online communication tends to be very uniform and easily digestible (see: memes). If you never learn how to infer someone's internal thoughts from what they are saying, you will essentially never know what someone is actually saying. Some people take "pride" in interpreting everything super literally and think that it's some kind of a "gotcha".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:04 AM
0

Yeah we are doing so bad that humanity is on the cusp of technological ascension. Sigh...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:56 PM
0

The red pill encourages the infamous "red pill rage". Guess how people start behaving when they are fully consumed by anger? This is why you never base a self-help movement on feelings of anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:49 PM
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Have all humans on Earth been replaced by aliens since then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:44 PM
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That is not how human communication works. If you want someone to spell out something very explicitly instead of figuring it out yourself then congratulations, you will never understand what other people are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:35 PM
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Idk man. All relationships progress at their own rate. Rushing things or taking too long are both equally bad in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:29 PM
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Chad is kind of washed up these days. Both Thad and Lad are doing better than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:15 PM
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Nah, it's just that if you aren't getting any dates, you have 2 options: Lower your standards. Get back to the drawing board and work on yourself. You can have whatever standards you want, but you can't ask other people to lower their standards for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:28 AM
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Another weird thing. At its core, red pill advice is just a more explicit and practical version of blue pill advice. Why is there a pill divide in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:54 AM
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Or maybe Joe is just overrating himself. How do you know which one it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:26 AM
13

Then why aren't they dating someone like that? I doubt the hypothetical Joe in the example would have any trouble dating any of his buddies from college.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:10 AM
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If you are dating within your social circle, you aren't in a limited information environment and hence don't need to date several people to know whether you're a good match with someone or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:02 AM
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How do you judge on a case-by-case basis? When you see someone complaining about dating online, you know next to nothing about them or their environment. Maybe Joe really is average and has average standards for his current environment. But then why is he complaining about standards instead of going on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:58 AM
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A lot of the hiring happens based on connections rather than merit. Why? Because people change and in the long run, it's better to hire someone who is "one of the lads" in order to maintain cohesion. The same applies to dating. If you are dating within your social circle, you are probably already sufficiently familiar with everyone to know whether you have good vibes together or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:48 AM
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Getting over being rejected and staying friends is what cool people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:37 AM
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Going to a club has nothing to do with dating. Clubs in general are full of lame people who have no concept of what having a good time is. If you want to drink, go to a pub. If you want to listen to music, go to a concert or a festival.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:29 AM
2

It's mostly just a matter of practice. If you never party, of course you are going to mess up your first attempt at going to a club. Most people just never try again after one bad experience. But if you keep at it, eventually the good experiences will outweigh the bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:21 AM
5

An out-of-control internet addiction is the answer you are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:26 AM
4

If it transcends being a simple "want" and turns into a "need", it's time to detox from the internet for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:19 AM
12

Anything that is even slightly rebellions or ventures outside of being "socially acceptable in the 1950s" is seen that way. You know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:44 PM
19

For some hobbies, you have to date someone who is also into them or you're gonna have a terrible time. For example, if you are are into competitive gaming, you have to date someone who is also gamer or you're gonna get cooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:14 AM
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If you have a ton of female friends, the chances are that one of them will end up liking you at some point. Who knows, maybe you will even like her back? The takeaway is that having a ton of friends makes dating easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:10 AM
13

I wouldn't trust a site called "Male Reality Calculator". Sounds like a disinfo platform to whip red pillers up into a frenzy over nothing. Anyway, BMI is the most inaccurate metric around. Practically every athlete or fitness enthusiast is going to be classified as "overweight" or "obese".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:44 AM
-2

These days people see someone in the upper range of normal BMI and call them "fat" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:42 AM
0

Idk why this isn't upvoted to the top. A dude who is concerned about that is already deep into the red pill rabbit hole. Doing a 180 and getting the hell out of Dodge is the most legit dating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:39 AM
2

It's not "thousands of years of evolution". It's "dozens of hours of gulping down red pill content."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:34 AM
20

Who is talking to 300 people on Tinder? Is talking to people on Tinder their full-time job?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:06 PM
1

If you put in some effort, dating is easier as a dude too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:04 PM
5

What these dudes don't get is that standards vs. choice doesn't scale linearly. If you set your standards too low you are, in fact, scaring away some people. Someone having no standards is a huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 09:04 AM
17

How many times does it have to be said that TikTok is an aggressive disinfo platform? There's a reason it's getting banned in multiple countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:35 AM
19

The defining characteristic of a human is their free will and autonomy. "I like women" is not compatible with wanting to replace them with a cheap AI imitation that's stripped of everything you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:57 AM
9

I'm sure you are a big and strong alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:54 AM
20

You literally said that an AI can replace women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:47 AM
20

Along with Bigfoot, whether red pillers actually like women continues to be a mystery.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:42 AM
25

If you remove hobbies and achievements from the equation, you might as well be dating a ChatGPT.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:26 AM
12

Maybe stop using TikTok as your reference for real relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:21 AM
14

Will her friends make breakfast for her at 7AM to cheer her up? Will the random Chad from Tinder care enough to learn what she likes to provide the best possible experience for her? Your significant other is supposed to provide emotional support and physical intimacy at a higher level than just a friend or a random Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:18 AM
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If your significant other has to turn to their friends for emotional support and random flings for physical intimacy, you are failing catastrophically as a partner on multiple fronts. I'm not doubting that this happens, but dudes who aren't slacking off in their relationships don't have to deal with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:58 AM
-3

How would he even know if he's getting "unequal treatment"? If that's something he is getting mad about, he is already deep into the red pill rabbit hole. Do a 180 and RUN.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:11 PM
7

Women do ask men out. Self-improving to the point that women ask you out instead of the other way around was one of the original red pill ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:01 PM
12

Leadership is mostly about staying calm under pressure and making judgement calls that no one else wants to be responsible for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:48 PM
19

Half of these things have nothing to do with testosterone lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:39 PM
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Like the Chad from the VvC comics. The only correct answer if you know your Chad lore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 12:23 PM
0

Kind of a moot point unless you can present a way to keep track of how much time and emotions someone is investing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:45 AM
1

There's no way to quantify how much effort someone is putting into a relationship, unless you focus on a purely monetary expression (which is a very inaccurate proxy).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:18 AM
4

This has been common red pill knowledge for more than a decade now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:16 PM
0

How would you even know? This isn't something that comes up on the 1st date. Or the second. Or even a couple of months into dating. And by that time you have way more relevant information to work with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:47 PM
10

You were half right! Instead they're trying to rationalize why it's not approval that they actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:43 PM
24

This is why psychologists often say that you shouldn't outsource your emotional well-being to other people. It's just not consistent enough and can get you into stupid situations. This isn't anything new tbh. Plenty of philosophies and teachings stress that true happiness has to come from within.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:18 PM
1

Toxic masculinity is absolutely bad for one's mental health and you can see it in action almost every day on here with dudes trying to determine their "status" and comparing themselves to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 12:15 PM
2

Classical red pill was ok. It was basically "stop feeling sorry for yourself, go outside and touch some grass and start working on your looks, personality, hobbies and career." Although it almost immediately got derailed by trying to be a philosophy about the "nature" of women or whatever, the self-improvement stuff was legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:39 AM
8

The gym thing is insane to me. There's a bunch of people talking about how going to the gym didn't help them and linking pics of a bunch of bodybuilders who are obviously juiced to the gills to prove their point or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:26 AM
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If you have everything else sorted out, being swole works wonders. Otherwise, you have bigger things to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 06:29 AM
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Being able to be happy on your own is a prerequisite to a healthy relationship. No one is saying that a relationship can't make you even happier if you are already happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 06:21 AM
2

Rofl dude, I'm a dude and dating is a lot easier than math and guitar. It's also easier than competitive gaming. Dating is easier than practically anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:39 AM
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When you see a successful person, you see only the end result and not the journey that it took to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:00 AM
2

Both math and guitar have a higher barrier to entry and hence all interactions tend to be more positive. Now take something like competitive gaming. If you suck at an online game, you are going to be called some very bad things that are several orders of magnitude worse than anything a blue piller might come up with. Lesson 1. Install League of Legends, play some lobbies and grow a thicker skin so that you aren't perpetually offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:53 AM
5

Rich coming from the guy who thinks that just giving up is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:16 AM
3

Don't see anything wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:14 AM
1

The prize is that you are having a good time?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:11 AM
1

Blue pill is hardcore but knowing that you're bad at something is the first step towards getting good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:08 AM
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So you mean like the bear? Like half the people missed the very obvious fact that it's not normal to meet another person while alone in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:06 AM
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Okay but you weren't scared of those women, you were scared of a gang.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:05 AM
1

You're worrying about other people. Depression is not about them. You can either keep whining about the state of dating, or you can start lifting, eating good food, watching epic blockbusters, beefing with people in Call of Duty lobbies and progressing in your career and hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:41 AM
0

Feminism is not to blame for someone being depressed and refusing to do anything about it. If you live in the USA, you have all the tools you need to get out of a rut and start living your best life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:30 AM
22

I don't remember the red pill on Reddit ever being positive. Maybe it was positive before it became a community on Reddit? Honestly, I have no idea. What I do remember is that it began to go sideways when all of these splinter groups started to pop up and still claim to be "red pilled" while eschewing all of the core ideas, which gave the red pill a bad rep and attracted the wrong kind of crowd to the main subreddit. Obviously black pill communities were a major hurdle, but MGTOW was muddying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:24 AM
53

Loving someone and being loved in return is one of the most natural and human things you can do. What the hell is this post even about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 06:20 PM
13

Intention. Do they mean to show interest in someone? Then it's flirting. If they don't, they are just being friendly. Or maybe messing with or trolling them. This has an important implication. In 99% of cases knowing whether someone is flirting or not is just pure guesswork. Which is why people often either don't pick up on flirting or see flirting where there is none.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:30 PM
4

Bodybuilding is investing in your body though. And literally every bodybuilder agrees that lifting heavy feels amazing. It's one of the most high-endorphin activities you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:45 AM
2

She is just as in the wrong here as him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:14 AM
0

You should be skeptical of everything you read on the internet regardless. But this guy just came out outright and admitted to having lied to a bunch of people. That's a new low.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:05 AM
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This is about the dude who did the "experiment", not the participants. If he has no problem with lying to a bunch of people, he won't have a problem with omitting parts of his "experiment" or just faking the entire thing outright. Academic integrity is non-negotiable. Once you breach it, you can't take it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:57 AM
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It does. In real science we have a neat little thing called "academic integrity". Once you have proven that you don't give a damn about it, who knows what else you might have been lying about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:53 AM
5

A large % of gymbros are, in fact...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:17 AM
10

In the good old days it was called having a "beard".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:15 AM
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The entire experiment is moot and void because it was based on lies and the participants were tricked into it. You can't draw any meaningful conclusions from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:13 AM
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The bar is in hell though. Dating is something that comes very naturally to most people. We're not talking about rocket science here. What we're seeing is the all-too-common "this is impossibly hard and no one can actually do it" narrative that tends to suck people in because just giving up is a lot easier than putting in even an iota of effort and there's a perceived safety in numbers. Admitting that you suck at something is often the first step towards getting good at it but some people are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 02:46 AM
1

If we are talking about a typical high school musical movie, then maybe. Grown-up women do ask people out on dates if they like them, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 02:20 AM
5

ChadGPT wins the thread yet again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:06 PM
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Yeah I am because my experience has been quite the opposite. I've never heard any of those talking points outside of radfem forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:41 PM
5

Where? On TikTok? Radfem forums?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:33 PM
-1

Big difference between saying "some men / women do x" and "all men / women do x".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:26 PM
5

If you don't like someone, you can always look for someone else who vibes with you better instead of complaining about an entire gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:07 PM
9

This conversation can have some nuance though. With the exception of being a "loser" (which is a massive disadvantage and strictly worse than being a "winner"), being shy or nerdy isn't necessarily bad, but only as long as it's tempered by other personality traits. You're shy but know how to get serious and stand your ground in social situations if necessary? All good. Have nerdy interests but also know how to connect with other people? Also good. Being shy or nerdy only becomes a problem if tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:19 PM
4

I probably phrased it badly, but what I meant is that people tend to seem more attractive in-person than online.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:12 PM
10

Dudes tend to underestimate how much work a committed relationship actually is, along with all the stumbling blocks that you can trip over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:05 PM
10

Very few people are popular because they are, well, popular. There might be a dude whose entire shtick is just being popular, but generally people become popular as a byproduct of other positive traits. If you are chill, laid-back, pleasant to be around and know how to have fun, you will probably also be popular. Given a lack of more detailed information about someone, popularity is good proxy for various traits that are desirable in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:53 PM
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It's actually a lot simpler. If you can get dates in real life, you can probably also get dates on online platforms. If you struggle in real life, you will struggle even harder online.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:46 PM
10

I don't want to date men though. And yeah, I do want to date women and I have exactly 0 complaints about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:43 PM
6

Most complaints aren't about dating though, but about women in general. Which makes no sense. If you want to date women, why would you complain about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:40 PM
2

Idk, rant about it? Anything is better than saying "it was ok."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:14 AM
10

This is why we always say that a relationship isn't a magic quick fix to all of your problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:30 AM
0

Thanks to TikTok, everyone is either self-diagnosing or diagnosing other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:10 AM
12

You literally called the women who went on dates with you "unremarkable". That's no way to keep getting dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:01 AM
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Bro, it's your attitude. You're acting entitled just because you think you are sooo amazing while dissing the women you are trying to date. This is clear as day through text alone. No matter how good you think you are at concealing this in real life, I can guarantee you that people can spot it from a mile away. And what the hell is this about your sister? She has literally been put in life-threatening situations and you are complaining about how hard you have it? You need a new attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:29 AM
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Here's an example: you watch a movie together. It's clearly supposed to evoke emotions but the dude just isn't reacting and doesn't share his opinion on it beyond "huh I guess it was kinda cool". That's a case of emotional unavailability. Pretending to be tough while watching a horror movie is cool every once in a while. But you are lessening your own enjoyment in the long run if you are actively suppressing your emotions. It's okay to cry during Titanic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:55 AM
1

Just not encouraging men to be angry (a.k.a. the infamous "red pill rage") would be a good start. But apparently getting mad over the "bear vs. man" debate is what they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:47 AM
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Huh. I guess this "mainstream institutional feminism" commissioned a bunch of undergrad marketing students to come up with the "bear vs. man" debate to piss off a bunch of red pillers on TikTok.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:23 PM
2

Curious how this trend is non-existent as long as you don't go out of your way to find outrage content.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:21 PM
2

"Constantly"? Bro, this is an online fad that no one will remember in a couple of weeks. Go outside and ask literally anyone if they know about the bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:07 PM
3

Okay but seriously, what problems? You have dudes in this thread complaining because they accidentally stumbled across some radfem talking points that weren't even directed against them and it made them mad. Congratulations, you've found exactly what you were looking for. Maybe next time stop looking up junk content on TikTok and letting the algorithm feed you even more junk content. Or play some Call of Duty and stop being offended every time someone is mean to you on the internet. Either works…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:02 PM
2

If you are getting this mad about the bear, you are entirely missing the point of the thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:40 PM
3

Who exactly is doing all of this? I have never seen any of these narratives outside of TikTok.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:38 PM
4

Nah, this is a narrow view of the problem. No one benefits from oppression in the long run because oppression-based systems are neither efficient nor sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:51 PM
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It doesn't even exist as a unified movement anymore. There is no "feminist high command" making any decisions. Maybe you should take up your issues with your local government.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:03 PM
0

Every time you use a product that was designed by a woman or get a service that is being provided by a woman, you are directly benefiting from feminism. More generally, modern enlightened society isn't compatible with 50% of the population not being able to participate in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:00 PM
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What exactly can feminism do to help men? This is all very vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:34 AM
2

Booted off social media platforms because of all the angry rants. Older forums either go defunct or fizzle out due to no newcomers. The only visible online presence that the red pill still has is on TikTok, and it's mostly just grifters like the tater tot trying to get views from zoomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:30 AM
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All of that advice is something that a blue piller would give if pressed hard enough. The defining characteristic of the red pill is the so-called "red pill rage". Let's just say that the red pillers have found out what happens when you encourage people to be angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:27 AM
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When someone says that the level of closeness that one has with their significant other is literally just a normal friendship + physical intimacy, there are several possible explanations as to why they would think that. None of them are particularly nice, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:11 AM
0

Reminder that many social media platforms fine-tune their algorithms to push certain kinds of content.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:33 AM
3

This is why I always say that red pillers are actually really bad at being manly. Think of the biggest dude in the gym. Is he red pilled? No, he is watching bodybuilder vlogs and videos on the science of hypertrophy. He isn't wasting any of his time worrying about what other people are doing either. Why would you listen to someone who is always complaining about other people when there are much more positive role models available?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:32 AM
-1

This is what is called "fragile masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:27 AM
4

Didn't take long for someone to show up and start accusing other red pillers of being posers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:26 AM
-3

If someone is having a bad day, the most you can do to help them is be there for them, listen to them, hug them and maybe give them a cup of hot cocoa. None of those things will make someone's depression go away. If you have depression, it's up to you to take the steps that are necessary to get through it instead of outsourcing it to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 01:18 PM
-5

There's a time and place for negative emotions and it's called going to a therapist. Other people aren't equipped to handle them and will potentially make the situation worse if they try to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:46 PM
-5

There are plenty of positive emotions! Like love, joy and hope. Sometimes even nostalgia is fun to indulge in. When people tell you to be more open about your emotions, they don't mean that you should make your insecurities or anger issues everyone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:38 PM
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Nice is not very descriptive. Can you list the actual traits or actions that caused them to lose interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:27 PM
2

Didn't take long for someone to claim that those are posers rather than true red pillers..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:22 PM
0

I'd say it's less of an insecurity and more of a need for validation from other men. They want to be "alpha" and have other men recognize them as such. The creative writing assignments that were the field reports during the heyday of the red pill on Reddit demonstrated this quite nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:21 PM
2

Some of those numbers make me think that they don't know any party beasts. Let's just say that if it's a number that you can achieve in a single night of partying, it's probably not very high.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 06:52 AM
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Red pill rage is strong only in the way that it will consume you faster than mere transient anger. All of these dudes being completely overtaken by their anger, hatred, jealousy and paranoia isn't exactly what I would call "strong" in the positive sense of the word. In fact, it's a complete anathema to any lasting self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 05:51 AM
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They didn't ban the red pill sub. They merely quarantined it, which shouldn't have completely torpedoed it and yet here we are. The actual reason why red pilled communities go the way of the dodo is because their participants tend to either bounce back to being blue pilled or go down the path of complete nihilism and start posting unhinged rants that would get them banned from any online platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 05:36 AM
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Shooting for the moon = winner mentality. This wouldn't be a problem for the guys if they rose to the challenge instead of waiting for freebies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 03:14 AM
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Lmao, you aren't disagreeing with each other over some deep philosophical questions. You are literally just chest-thumping to prove who is more alpha... online. Quite literally no different from metal elitists fighting over who's trve kvlt and who's a poser.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:15 PM
-1

Red pillers getting upset when you point out their tendency to start fighting each other over who is more red pilled is also comedy gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:01 PM
2

And then he leaves you to go and glaze Sukuna some more
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:22 PM
1

It's always comedy gold when two red pillers start fighting and accusing each other of being posers in the comments!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:20 PM
3

Unless you jump through a ton of hoops, you probably won't even be meeting those Discord friends in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:08 PM
3

I would actually encourage those people to use team-based video games to practice. I learned how to speak with confidence by assuming a leadership role in those and just talking... a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:46 PM
1

I had several occasions where I had to do some public speaking in front of a large audience and I simply stopped having any kind of social anxiety afterwards. Learning some breathing and diction exercises actually made me start to enjoy speaking and social interactions in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:37 PM
5

This advice works, but you can be much more efficient. Just approaching someone and talking to them works to improve your social skills, but these kinds of interactions are not very difficult to begin with and won't teach you much. You will improve much more quickly and to a greatest extent if you force yourself into high-performance, high-anxiety social situations and learn how to handle them. Once you master those, just talking to someone is easy peasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:18 PM
1

Legitimate: you should lift, work on your game and your career. Made-up stuff: pretty much everything related to social dynamics and evopsych stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:09 PM
2

She is wearing just as much makeup as the others...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:59 PM
7

Hey, I think this was the plot to some schlocky 80s horror movie, what with all the graveyards and the ghosts. Come on, stop holding out on us and spill the beans, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:40 PM
6

Yes, most red pillers do have legitimate points. But for every legitimate point, they also have some made-up stuff. The legitimate points is what gets people hooked on the red pill, while the made-up stuff is what keeps them spinning wheels in place and listening to red pill podcasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:58 AM
1

But you didn't list laws in your OP, did you? Just a bunch of arbitrary rules. All of them being "don't do this completely normal thing that I don't like for some reason or else." Yeah, no thanks. Most people are going to oppose arbitrary restrictions on their freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:52 AM
1

Sure, your analogy holds up if we assume that it's a prison train where you have to obey a bunch of absurd rules or else a warden will visit you for a "talk". Most people would choose the car under those circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:35 AM
1

You're not pushing a boulder though. You are lifting, but it has a ton of effects that go beyond just moving a heavy object from point A to point B. You are getting stronger, which means you will exert less effort elsewhere while doing everyday tasks. Not to mention countless other health benefits. And you have obviously never had long hair. It's not even comparable how much more effort long hair takes to maintain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:24 AM
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Lifting is literally my favorite part of the day. It doesn't feel like I'm exerting any effort at all. In fact, I feel like I'm actively relaxing when I can just put my favorite music on blast and start moving heavy things around. And you're ignoring the fact that not doing something can cause you to start exerting effort elsewhere. Sure, not cutting your hair doesn't take much effort. Maintaining it with haircare products (which cost money by the way) and scheduling regular visits to a salon to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:06 AM
-1

You can literally see people in this thread proving your point without even realizing it. "Don't be fat" gets immediately translated into "have a dangerously low body fat % that will wreck your health", while "be a little feminine" turns into "don't you dare display any individuality, behave like the ideal 50s housewife or else."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:51 AM
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Deadlifting your own bodyweight is something that you should be able to do after several months in the gym. Literally beginner stuff. And unless you are going to be an IFBB pro, you don't need to take steroids or maintain low body fat % to have a good physique. Anyway your category "B" is entirely about controlling women's behavior. Much easier to just hit the gym 3 times a week and lift instead of spending your life trying to live up to someone's ridiculous checklist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:44 AM
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This is exactly what I meant. You have a broad view of the problem, but none of the details which would actually give you the tools that you need to succeed. What you are describing is the equivalent of reading the tl;dr summary for physics on Wikipedia and then going "yeah I can basically do theoretical physics now".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:24 PM
7

Women, on average, put way more effort into their appearance. Not to mention there's more pressure on women to behave in a certain manner in social situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:05 PM
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Nah honestly this is pretty solid advice. It doesn't even have to be romantic fiction. Just make note of the gender of the author and you will eventually start to notice the subtle differences in how men think vs. how women think. You're not gonna get a better explanation of these differences elsewhere simply because they are too complex and nuanced and a tl;dr summary isn't possible. Also, romantic novels get a bad rep because people immediately think of Twilight and 50 Shades. That's like sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:02 PM
1

Ideally, you want to listen to both men and women for dating advice for a balanced view. If there's something that both men and women agree on, you should probably do it. If there is a point of contention, you should look more closely into it and come to your own conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:27 PM
9

Sure you can. No one is stopping anyone from talking about anything as long as it doesn't break the rules of whichever platform you're posting on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:20 PM
7

That's your mistake. TikTok is a disinfo platform that's several orders of magnitude worse than Reddit or Facebook, or even Twitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:13 PM
9

I said every red pill talking point, not just some of them. A common red pill rant will have mentions of hypergamy, the 20/80 rule, something about height, and honestly a lot of stuff that I don't even feel like repeating here. Just having a horrible opinion doesn't make people think that you are a lunatic. It's when you list off several in quick succession that it starts to raise eyebrows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:10 PM
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Yeah okay if I go on some obscure radfem forum, I might see talking points like that. But I never see rants like that out in the wild. On the other hand, I'm exposed to extremely deranged red pill rants on the daily in video game communities. Hell, it's even starting to creep into fitness communities. One is prevalent, the other is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:04 PM
6

Just throwing around a bunch of slurs doesn't necessarily make a rant unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:00 PM
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Women's rants tend to be milder, hence the milquetoast reactions. Men's rants tend to get unhinged very fast, hence the strong pushback. Let's just say it's not uncommon to see a dude have a full-on meltdown and mention every red pill talking point. You won't find the female equivalent outside of FDS or some of the more obscure radfem forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:52 PM
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Idk, if you have sufficiently niche hobbies, it's pretty much a given that your significant other won't engage with them. There's always TV series and movies if you need something to do that has a more universal appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 04:27 PM
0

Maybe they should tackle their toxic work culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 02:48 PM
3

You get no repercussions from trying, but also no experience and no feedback. You're essentially spinning wheels in place for months on end, if not years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 01:54 PM
4

Going outside and yes, it is strictly better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 01:35 PM
10

I will now reveal the secret to defeating dating apps once and for all: Uninstall. Gratz, you win!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 01:24 PM
5

There is actually a very good formula. Learning active listening + empathy. Those two skills are what will allow you to figure out how to appeal to someone on the fly. It's really not that hard to see what's getting you positive feedback and then just keep on doing more of the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:17 AM
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Most guys will flat out refuse to do any reading out of principle so someone with experience is better than someone with no experience and zero clue. You don't really need to practice. If you actually get an anatomical understanding of what you are doing, you will be able to figure it out on the fly. Plus intimacy is a deeply individual experience so what might work for one person won't necessarily work for another. Keep communicating and asking for feedback and you will do really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 04:54 AM
2

Yoo this mindset is cooked fr fr
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 04:05 AM
1

Reverse kegels is what allows you to go forever. Anyway, experience doesn't matter that much because "perfect practice makes perfect", not just "any" practice. If you don't know what you are doing, no amount of experience will make you get better. Read a guide and watch some instructional videos from professionals and you will have a much better idea of what to do than someone who has never bothered to do either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 04:04 AM
5

Shame. Having some female angels would be like, super cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 03:36 AM
7

Okay but if you're tying to make a point that you do love women, why do you spend so much time complaining about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 03:33 AM
1

The alternative is... listening to people in real life. Your family, your friends and the local bartender will all have better advice than a bunch of randoms on the internet. The red pill tries to replace the positive male role models in one's life with the tater tots and the Elon Musks of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 03:09 AM
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Red pillers are PUAs who failed at flirting, PUAs are gymbros who didn't lift hard enough. Go back to the basics and start lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 03:05 AM
1

The trouble is that there's many different ways to be charismatic, but it's also borderline impossible to diagnose online why someone might have no rizz. There's no fixed step-by-step guide to becoming charismatic so this advice often ends up being discounted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:19 PM
1

Most blue pillers will give the same advice as red pillers if pressed hard enough. They're just hesitant to say "your social skills suck" and start beefing with some random stranger on the internet. In terms of good dating advice, the best advice will always come from your friends. They have a free pass to tell you like it is without sugarcoating anything. Plus they know you better than some randoms on the internet so they can actually give you personalized advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:03 PM
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I'm a dude and I'm just applying my experience from group matchmaking for competitive play in World of Warcraft to online dating. It's extremely similar, at least in my opinion. There's also the possibility that setting your standards too low will scare off some potential matches. I know for sure that seeing someone set either low standards or no standards at all makes me think that they're not taking it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:45 PM
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Let's just say that the level of standards also accounts for the fact that they are going to get somewhat relaxed at some point. If you set your standards high, you can relax them to mid. If you set your standards to mid, you can only drop them to low. Setting extremely high standards on dating apps is also the only way to minimize your chances of having a horrible time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:30 PM
2

So like Plato's Symposium?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:20 PM
4

Bars can lead to AA meetings which are a healthy place though!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:18 PM
7

So? You are not other people. If you don't like how someone behaves now vs. back then, you can always dump them and date someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:10 PM
9

People change as they age. Big surprise for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:03 PM
2

No, you are not "wired that way". Stop seeking safety in numbers and trying to dilute responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 07:05 AM
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You know the saying? "Live by the sword, die by the sword." If you revert to a strength-based system, it's only a matter of time until you get dunked on by some warlord with more resources than you. Anyway, physical strength doesn't matter when we are only a few decades away from fully autonomous robot armies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:04 AM
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Idk, hobbies are still a great way to meet people if you don't want to party. Even with extremely "nerdy" hobbies like raiding in World of Warcraft, I know some couples who have met through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:02 PM
2

No one in their right mind would ever label themselves an "incel" unless they are already neck-deep in the rabbit hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:38 PM
3

It's the ridiculous things that incels believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:31 PM
0

It's either famous people or personal anecdotes. Pick your poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:49 PM
2

Harry Styles has worn dresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:46 PM
4

Describes all of red pill, really. They just look something up, get the most surface-level impression possible and then roll with it as if they know it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:44 PM
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They just look up top accounts on Instagram and conclude that every woman has 10 million followers and posts content 20 times a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:33 PM
0

Let's just say that some prank videos go very wrong sometimes. Like properly wrong and not just "funny" wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:30 PM
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Don't need studies when OP admitted that he intentionally goes out of his way to lie to women and bully them because of his black pill views.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:26 PM
2

I'm progressive and liberal because it's more manly than being conservative. Get rekt, mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:24 PM
2

It's possible for men and women to just be friends. Unless you are dating a gender-swapped version of yourself, your significant other most likely won't share all your hobbies and interests. Are you just supposed to give up on your interests and never see your friends again, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:23 PM
2

Again with the "they are not true red pillers".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:20 PM
3

Red pill dudes categorize each other into "alphas" and "betas", not women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:19 PM
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Everyone has bad experiences, and not just in dating. What you can control is your reaction to those experiences. Deciding that you're going to be bitter and hateful and lash out at other people because of a bad experience is not the W that you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:17 PM
1

Read your second to last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:22 PM
3

"All their time" as in 24/7? So basically you don't even interact with your partner anymore? What does it even matter if they are dudes at that point? She could be interacting with her female friends and the result would be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:21 PM
2

You aren't actually a Chad. According to the Virgin vs. Chad lore, you are a Brad, a.k.a. a Chad wannabe who bullies people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:17 PM
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Yeah, you have a problem with something that is extremely normal. That being interacting with other people. Thinking that your partner values you any less just because they're interacting with other people is late-stage envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:15 PM
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You can't force yourself to be someone #1. Either you are, or you aren't. If you can only be someone's #1 by trying to hold them hostage and stop them from interacting with other people, you aren't actually their #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:12 PM
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It's not "healthy". By that point you have progressed from a little jealousy to full-on envy. Also, you're not being devoid of emotions. You can have positive emotions that are not envy, jealousy and that sort of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:53 AM
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Yeah, this. You aren't dating other people. You are dating one person in particular and it's a deeply individual experience. In a pinch, you can just translate general life experience from other areas to navigate a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:40 AM
1

You can't debunk mine either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:29 AM
1

No u
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:28 AM
0

Delayed teen emo phase but instead of Evanescence and Linkin Park, they listen to "gurus", "coaches" and tater tots.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:25 AM
2

Last I checked, red pillers were falling for a lot more grifts than black pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:10 AM
1

So, red pillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:01 AM
9

Being insecure and possessive is not very manly. Being afraid of losing is also not very manly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 10:48 AM
1

Idk, unless you are talking about reality TV, consuming fiction generally doesn't feel like a waste of time to me. I feel like reading a book or watching a TV series for a couple of hours is a pretty good use of your time. But streaming... just nah. If you're watching someone play a video game for several hours, just buying it and playing it yourself seems like a better use of your time. Though I would make an exception for watching someone play story-driven games like Until Dawn. But at that po…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 10:23 AM
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It depends on how you do the cold approach. If you start pressuring someone then yeah, they will probably think that you are a douchebag and it will end badly. If you just strike up a casual conversation, they will only think that you are slightly annoying at worst. If they like you, you don't need to ask them out. They will offer you their contact info themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:58 AM
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Streaming has always been weird. You're basically watching someone for hours on end, hoping that, idk, something interesting will happen? Back before streaming got popular, people would make 15-20-minute-long videos that got to the point and only showed the highlights / relevant parts. Now you're basically developing a parasocial relationship with some random streamer. Reminds me of the worst parts of the K-pop idol culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:56 AM
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That's the point, yes. No one appeals to tradition (or makes up some rules on the fly) unless it benefits them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:08 AM
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Unless you can point to an internationally-recognized rulebook, my definition of "traditional" is as valid as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:15 AM
10

GJ on defeating your own point. There's like a hundred Christian denominations alone, most of which consider each other to be posers and apostates and heretics or whatever. Not to mention all of the religiously-motivated wars in history over theological disagreements. At least those basketball bodies can agree on the basic rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:14 AM
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Basketball has an internationally-recognized governing body that decides on the rules. Show me an equivalent body that decides on the rules of "traditional" dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:05 AM
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Are you the ultimate authority on what is traditional and what's not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:00 AM
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Being jealous because your significant other has male friends is not very manly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:54 AM
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If you want to understand why dating apps work the way they do, seriously, just install and play World of Warcraft at a competitive level. It's a perfect demonstration of what happens in lopsided matchmaking tools. You will see that it is a lot more complex than you think and that unless you are willing to be at the very top of your game, it's way better to meet people outside of these matchmaking tools.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:45 AM
1

Dealing with emotions in a healthy manner != giving in to them. You don't beat anger issues by punching everything in sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:57 PM
1

You let jealousy win once, it's going to keep winning time and again. Terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:26 PM
4

This is just a normal guy experience. Normal guys get asked out sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:14 PM
3

"All men are like that because..." is as much of a deflection as "not all women are like that".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:57 PM
2

My "pattern recognition" comment is gonna live rent-free in your head, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:44 PM
2

If that's a red flag to someone, they need to re-calibrate their entire red flag detection system.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:39 PM
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The shadow of the bear continues to haunt PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:25 PM
2

Billionaires make up about 0.003% of the population. Being a fun party guy, well, there's at least a couple in every college class.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:23 PM
1

Yeah yeah anything that takes the tiniest bit of effort is too hard...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:17 PM
3

Yes. The short guy who is self-conscious about his height is extremely easy to notice because he is sure to bring it up in every single conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:25 AM
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They probably don't even know their exact height.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:14 AM
1

They can become more chadly too by being more like the chad broke college student and less like red pill gurus.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:01 AM
0

The average college student is more chadly than self-appointed red pill "gurus".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:58 AM
2

Let's just say that if you are slightly awkward, that won't stop someone who genuinely likes you from dating you. If anything, "slightly awkward" will be translated into "a bit shy but cute". As long as you aren't being a douchebag and going out of your way to insult people, a lack of social skills isn't that big of a deal. Most people are slightly awkward, in fact. That said, being the super confident fun guy who gets invited to parties will get you more dates just because more people will noti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:56 AM
5

Broke college students go on more dates than self-appointed red pill "gurus"...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:43 AM
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Power level? What is this? DBZ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:31 AM
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Just goes to show that you can't treat any single one study as being conclusive evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 06:43 AM
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This applies to the OP more than anything. Literally acting like one of those dudes who gets angry about the bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:29 AM
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I think a lot of dudes just flat out don't like women (in a romantic sense) and this resentment comes from the fact that society (mostly other men) are pressuring them to like women but they really just don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:32 AM
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Someone has to say it but: these clothes also just look nice. Seriously, the human body is extremely aesthetic. Artists are so inspired by the human form that they spend decades learning to draw / sculpt / photograph it. Appreciating beauty and aesthetics is, like, one of the most human things to do. There should be absolutely no shame in dressing in a way that you think looks aesthetically pleasing. Nor should there be a need to justify or rationalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:18 AM
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Still has to be pointed out because people are trying to make this seem like a law enforcement / philosophical / societal problem when it's actually just a purely practical one. If you try to start up beef around the block, bad things will happen. It's not an "if", it's virtually guaranteed. Mind your own business and don't try to find trouble and other people will respect it and leave you alone as well. You can't "well actually" your way out of a situation on the block once you have already pis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:35 PM
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Good advice if you want to get laughed at by cops.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:13 PM
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You have less than zero street smarts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:11 PM
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But that's not how you are presenting the sequence of events. Actually throwing the drinks is a massive escalation from just threatening it. He could have walked away at any point instead of continuing to beef. Anyway, general rule of life around the block: don't start beef over something minor. You never know when you're going to get hit with disproportionate retribution just because your dummy cheeks decided to start beefing with someone over $2.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:06 PM
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I like how you're conveniently leaving out the fact that he is the one who ended up throwing the drinks LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:58 PM
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Maybe he can ask to speak to her manager the next time. I'm sure the manager would be more than happy to give him a piece of their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:55 PM
5

Might want to do a little research before making a post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:44 PM
16

Have you ever been to Tumblr? Or AO3?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:31 PM
4

Human bodies look amazing. Literally something that artists are so inspired by that they spend decades learning to draw / sculpt / photograph them. Big surprise for you that people like clothes that accentuate and show off the human form? If you see the human body and immediately start thinking about sex, that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:28 PM
5

Look up male ballet tights. Literally the same thing as these leggings. It's just that minimizing friction is more relevant when doing high flexibility moves or just moving around a lot. You don't need to move around a lot to squat. But for something like yoga yeah, these leggings would definitely beat other options in terms of comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:19 PM
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So? Plenty of people wear gymwear as streetwear. Big surprise for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:13 PM
8

This is like, extremely standard gymwear. People are literally trying to stir up moral panic over nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:07 PM
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Dudes literally go topless at the gym in tiny, tiny shorts and nobody bats an eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:42 PM
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Yooo Jiraiya, what kind of smut have you been "researching" lately? No wonder Naruto turned out the way he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 10:36 AM
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No. Men need positive male-centric spaces (hint hint, not the Manosphere), but making an ideological movement out of it is the last thing that they need. Most of men's problems are self-inflicted as a result of falling into the "men are oppressed" rabbit hole and refusing to take action to improve one's circumstances. Most existing MRA-type groups only create more problems instead of solving them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:37 AM
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Good luck, king!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:42 PM
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So humble and unassuming that they are complaining about Chad and Stacy 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:16 PM
2

Another thing to consider is that both pills might have different definitions of what constitutes a "social hierarchy". So you can end up being both a simp in one kind of hierarchy, and a rebel in a different one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:21 AM
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Probably the red pill, particularly where it intersects with right-wing politics. Instead of questioning how and why the people who are on top ended up there, they are kowtowing and feeding more money to the Andrew Tates and the Elon Musks of the world and trying to emulate them. Though the blue pill has its fair share of embarrassing moments too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:10 AM
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The blue pill is just the normal position that the world can suck something fierce, but there's still a lot of beauty and goodness in it and the good days more than make up for the bad ones. The red pill is a delayed teen emo phase but instead of having good but edgy music, it's about paleoconservatism for grown-up dudes. You don't need to come up with imaginary social hierarchies when the working-middle-upper class stratification already exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:58 AM
9

Yesss because everything on the internet is always 100% true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:03 AM
-3

You shouldn't marry a person whom you don't trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:11 AM
7

Standard fearmongering. Yes, you can get screwed over by a cheating partner. But guess what? The vast majority of activities carry some kind of risk with them. Even just staying in your bed 24/7 can turn risky. Just because something can carry some kind of a risk along with it, it doesn't mean that it's not worth doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:41 AM
0

Being driven and having a desire to improve is "being yourself* for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:50 AM
1

Someone checking and posting on their social media while otherwise being outside is not the same as being glued to your PC and gaming, watching streams and guzzling down red pill content 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:34 AM
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Online dating is only a part of the problem. The real issue is that gaming 24/7 with only short breaks to guzzle down some influencer "content" on TikTok or YouTube has become the lifestyle of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:09 AM
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Good. I don't need your "explanation" when I can log in on Discord and see that 99% of the regulars who are gaming 24/7 are dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:05 AM
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This is just flat-out wrong. Women are not nearly as terminally online as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:52 AM
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The average guy isn't going outside and touching grass anymore. Be 80s or 90s normal, not 2020s normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:42 AM
0

Nah, that's quitter attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:35 AM
-2

Blue pill also says that you should work on yourself. Just without any of the hate or obsessing about what other people are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:13 AM
17

In other words, just lift, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:11 AM
10

what red pillers desperately want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:55 PM
1

Schopenhauer is a good example of "the smarter you are, the easier it is to rationalize believing in dumb nonsense". Anyway, what TRP does is self-report. There's as much reason to believe any of those "field reports" as there is to take 4chan seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:34 PM
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He proved that he's probably not as "straight" as he thinks he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:09 PM
8

After living in and observing reality for several decades, you suddenly decide that it's all wrong and that people who are engaging in a creative writing assignment about how manly they are have it all figured out. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:41 AM
8

If you aren't interested in long-term relationships and only go for short-term flings, you can easily go above 6 by the time you graduate from college. And that's making some very conservative assumptions like dating no more than two new people per year. If you are a party beast, you can go above 6 in a single week.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:47 AM
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No, it's completely normal. You are arguing with people who have never been invited to a party while they were in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:37 AM
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No one spends quite as much time obsessing over men's status as red pill bros do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:18 AM
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The future is automated. While Elon Musk, Sam Altman & co are pumping billions into creating a machine god, you are fighting boogiemen. One day you will wake up and realize that you have sat out on all of the most important socioeconomic developments of today because you were too busy complaining about feminism. Anyway, people are only fighting for stupid "pill" "ideologies" in the first place because it's what arcane algorithms are filling their social media feeds with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:55 AM
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The thread was about discussing celebrities, not the local chav gang at the corner shop.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:02 PM
4

That's your choice but you are not getting another car so you had better maintain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:03 AM
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Desperately trying to make it seem like men are a disadvantaged, oppressed class is a much better example of internalized misandry tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:36 AM
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As a dude, neither I nor my male friends have ever felt oppressed or discriminated against on the basis of being male. If anything, I can recall dozens in situation in which being male was advantageous. You can argue that being male doesn't give one any special advantages, or that both men and women have their own sets of advantages. But quite frankly, trying to argue that men are "oppressed" is completely disconnected from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:20 AM
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Each one of those is a disadvantage compared to baseline. Being born male is, at the very worst, neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:31 PM
3

This comment encapsulates why people call it entitlement almost perfectly. It didn't take very long for envy to rear its ugly head, did it? "Everyone who is doing better than me has actually had all of their successes handed to them on a silver platter."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:24 PM
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Because when it come to dating, people know that you are full of hot air when you are complaining about how "hard" men have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:14 PM
0

High school musical underdog protagonist villain arc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:01 PM
2

But they aren't complaining about something that is equivalent to any of those things that you have listed. They are complaining that just the fact that they were born male makes them super oppressed and literally every woman is out to get them. This is not just offensively stupid, but also stupidly offensive towards everyone who is actually dealing with difficult life circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:53 PM
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The red pill hardly qualifies as an "ideology". More than anything, it's just a creative writing assignment about how badass and manly you are. It's one of those things where the more you read about it, the less it will make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:25 PM
1

I don't think that tren is the only compound they are blasting tbh. More likely also a test base, hgh + slin and mast.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:42 AM
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Glad to be of help! Start with Christian Wallis's works in that case. Probably the "I found the bunker of a prepper family" story. It's, well, beyond terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:21 PM
1

I would start by checking out the stories on the NoSleep subreddit. It's horror-centric stuff but it's legit so good that it got its authors movie and publishing deals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:27 PM
1

It's impossible to predict which ones are gonna be good. Just pick a fandom that you like and try reading the most popular / upvoted story. I'm serious about the quality though. These are sometimes written by well-known authors under a pen name, or someone who is obviously going to write a critically acclaimed novel in a couple of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:43 PM
2

Ever better, read fanfics on AO3 because they don't go through self-censorship or editing. Some have better writing than mainstream novels, no cap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:43 AM
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Step 1. Buy and install World of Warcraft. Step 2. Try to play as hardcore as you can for 3-4 months. Keep applying to M+ groups non-stop. Step 3. Congratulations, you tolerance for rejection is now in the hundreds or even thousands. You won't even notice when someone rejects you. You will also learn how to accurately gauge your chances of getting rejected. Easy peasy low-diff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:46 AM
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The blog that has been defunct since 2019? Or the unending whinefest on Twitter? Some "heroes" you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:00 AM
4

Gatekeeping so hard that red pill spaces are virtually extinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:40 AM
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Yes, you can. Unless you blast several compounds, you are never going to look wide enough for it to be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:38 AM
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That's like, your opinion, dude. People train to look swole, not to look good on the runway. Anyway, Mike O'Hearn looks better than all of these models put together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:16 AM
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The red pill's favorite pastime. Calling other red pillers posers, frauds and fakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:09 AM
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Yes? If you can't get any dates, it's a you problem, not a society problem. You can either do things that will help you get a date, or you can complain about society (spoilers, it won't change to accommodate you).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:59 AM
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Don't need to be an engineer to recognize a train wreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:57 AM
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They could also just start lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:50 AM
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So? You can be the most successful person in the world and people will still find a reason to call you a clown. Verbal sparring like that is, like, the most universal human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:19 AM
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Nope. There are plenty of people who are short or overweight (or both) who are insanely successful, which directly contradicts your narrative. But you're right about teen girls. Adult men who are grilled for their size or height are literally going completely ballistic and reacting like a teen would. Don't even have to work that hard if you're looking to troll someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:13 AM
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People pick whatever they think will get a raise out of someone when roasting them. Dudes tend to go into complete meltdown when you use any size-based insult against them, so it's the go-to when you want to send someone on a temper tantrum. So no, it's not that society thinks that size is an issue. It's just that society knows that dudes who think they have a size issue are super self-conscious about it and it will get the desired reaction when trolling them. Also, the only person who actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:31 AM
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Harder by how much? 1%? 5%? The fact is, if you are a healthy person living in a modern Western democracy, you are living life on "complete and utterly hopeless noob" difficulty anyway. Complaining about how hard you have it is not it, chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:46 AM
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Okay I'm going to point out something that a lot of people seem to be missing: video games, bro. In order to do well in modern video games, especially multiplayer games, you have to do obscure, counter-intuitive plays. This leads to a mentality of "the obvious thing is not the right thing to do" and "you have to watch hours upon hours of guides to figure out what to do". Combined with how scripted some games are, you have an entire generation of people who try to apply the same approach in real …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:40 AM
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Lots of numbers conjured out of thin air. Anyway, your made-up numbers are not more more valid than someone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:59 AM
2

While you were busy thumping your chest and yelling about how manly you are, they were accelerating technology's progression. And then you get conquered by the Automatons. Amazing mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:12 AM
2

The amount of whining on this sub is pretty unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:14 PM
1

I mean honestly, the fear of being exposed to violence is pretty universal. If they can't even empathize with women on something that they themselves can become victims of, can they empathize on more subtle and nuanced issues that don't have a direct male equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:01 PM
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Men's dating struggles can, in the vast majority of cases, be fixed by just going to the gym and lifting. And also being chill and relaxed. Systemic violence is a lot harder to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:50 PM
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You're gonna catch a lot of flak from the PPD dudes on here, but you're completely right. Men's dating concerns come from a place of entitlement. Women's dating concerns come from the very real risk of ending up in a potentially life-threatening situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:43 PM
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Over 9000
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:52 PM
1

Once again a lot of hypotheticals. The average man doesn't have an ugly face. Just because something doesn't work for 1% of the people, it doesn't mean that it's bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:34 PM
1

Yes you will. You're letting a couple of horror stories color your entire impression of lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:58 AM
1

There's a world of difference between just being "normal weight" and having good muscle mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:49 AM
1

That's why everyone should just lift instead of theorizing or hypothesizing about it. It's like literally turning the difficulty slider all the way down to "complete and utterly hopeless noob".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:36 AM
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It's even worse. This dude is calling the people who made the time to hang out with him "low value", in addition to various gendered slurs. Talk about having less than zero respect for your fellow humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:45 AM
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This should be a fun read for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:41 AM
5

Pick any non-North-American, non-European country and you are going to find a looot of "interesting" legislation. Also, how is repealing Roe v. Wade not disadvantaging women? It was like one of the dumbest things to happen in the 21st century, bar none.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:39 AM
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Pretty sure men coming up with oppressive legislation to disadvantage women falls squarely under the "area of interaction with the opposite gender". Anyway, the same sentiment holds at all levels. Like half the posts on PPD are dudes complaining about women being able to make their own choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:54 AM
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Nah, women's problems are way more significant and difficult to deal with. They tend to be institutional in nature, and unseating discriminatory social norms that have been in place for centuries requires coordinated social action. That's not something that any single person can feasibly do on their own. Men's problems tend to be of a personal nature. The only person you are really struggling against is yourself. And well, changing your own habits is way easier than changing the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:15 AM
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What it boils down to is that dating is very easy. In fact, it's so easy that billions upon billions of people have done it. Dating someone comes extremely naturally to humans, it's basically second nature. The red pill gets some things right (like: you should be confident, sociable and focus on self-improvement), but gets horrifically sidetracked when it tries to explain social dynamics. So you end up with a bunch of dudes who saw improvement because they did something basic like going to the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:58 AM
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: rating people on a 1-10 scale with assumed normal distribution has completely torpedoed people's ability to make a more-or-less correct assessment where someone stands in terms of looks. People who are legitimately super attractive are being rated as 5/10 or worse because of some obtuse reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:25 AM
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So, a teen with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:15 AM
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15 years ago you were a teenager.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:05 AM
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It's not "a bit of improvement". It's a lot of improvement. Unless you have a really good game plan, just lifting will always be the best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:04 AM
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Knowing how to manage your emotions is one of the most important life skills that you can learn. Going to therapy is just the most streamlined way of doing so because you can get a qualified professional to guide you through the process. You are probably better off learning to meditate but let's be real, it's challenging and the results are not immediately apparent. So therapy is the better option for most people. Also, "toughing it out" is not a good emotional management strategy. It's like try…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:06 PM
1

They could always just go to the gym and start lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:40 PM
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The answer is: improved education. There's no data on it, but I'm pretty sure that what we are currently seeing are the consequences of decades of underinvestment into education.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:31 PM
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It's literally just a phase that edgy teens go through. That should tell you everything you need to know about the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:27 PM
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What ramifications? They are going to amp up their perpetual online whining to 11? They're just going to get booted off every social media platform as soon as they accidentally step on the toes of some corporation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:21 PM
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The 80/20 rule is more like 20% of the guys convincing themselves that they are the 80%. Actually, it's more like 99.8% and 0.2% than anything. "We are the majority" is one of the most common narratives of the loud minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:19 PM
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A dude who is both fun and wholesome is going to do way better. You don't have to be a chronic jerk in order to be fun to hang out with. Unfortunately, "wholesome" is very often used as a nice way of saying "bland".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:41 PM
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Adding a number to something doesn't make it objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:02 AM
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Being attractive is important, but it doesn't work the way that the red pill thinks. It's almost entirely subjective and one person's 10 might be another person's 6. Also, most people skew attractive rather than unattractive and being 10/10 to some people is a lot more common than red pill bros think. Attraction is not linear. After passing a certain threshold, people are just various kinds of attractive rather than being strictly more attractive than someone else. You win by finding a look and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:18 AM
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These numbers are being magicked out of thin air. This is not just subjective, but might as well be modern day sorcery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:54 AM
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You would do better if you stopped assigning random and mostly meaningless numbers to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:20 AM
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Honestly, I'm a bit surprised. Those are some very good results. The timeline I was thinking about was more like 2-3 years. This just goes to show that if you know what you are doing, you aren't fighting an impossible obstacle or trying to climb an insurmountable peak.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:53 AM
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But you did build resentment. Your view of relationships is now cynical and bitter. How is that not resentment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:31 AM
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Here's some food for thought. Maybe they aren't doing "everything" right if they are still not getting any dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:28 AM
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Self-improvement that makes you cynical and bitter isn't self-improvement. It's like, 1 step forward, 10 steps back. Actually the entire online discourse around self-improvement is beyond bizarre. People treat it like it's something that's unnatural and maybe even deeply offensive. No, bro. Self-improvement is the most natural thing that a person can do. You should always be adapting to your current circumstances and striving to do a little better than you did yesterday. Did you really think tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:21 AM
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Chad can be in multiple places at the same time? Damn...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:25 PM
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How exactly are they getting more dates? Unless we are talking about queer women, for every woman getting a date there is also a man getting a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:40 PM
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Dating is generally a two-person activity. Not getting any dates is totally a skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:09 PM
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Skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:56 PM
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I mean it's plainly obvious, especially if you know which signs to look for. Take any competitive activity. Complaining that the winners are cheating or have an unfair advantage is like the #1 thing that people do. Now look at the popular red pill narratives that women are cruising through dating on easy mode. See any similarities yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:52 PM
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Not just jealousy, but also hatred. You can see it even in this thread just how judgemental they get. Have some respect for your fellow humans, y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:11 PM
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That's not what happens though. Guy views red pill content, does something very basic that everyone already knows anyway, sees marginal improvement and then immediately plateaus because red pill gurus have only a surface-level understanding of what they are talking about. Offering advice that is very obviously correct and then hooking people in with loads of nonsense is exactly how all weird ideologies operate. You can't just start offering nonsense right off the bat because no one will buy into…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:32 PM
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Red pillers aren't doing anything to improve themselves though, not really. You don't self-improve by constantly whining about other people. You don't need a weird ideology to start lifting or developing social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:13 PM
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I mean maybe if you're a hermit. But if you set up an account and just tell everyone in your social circle about it, it should easily add up to a hundred, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:30 AM
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Idk why y'all are dogpiling on the OP. Doing things for yourself rather than for others is always strictly better. Motivation has to be intrinsic or you will never be able to sustain your habits in the long run. OP is also correct about the potency of anabolics. Most professional bodybuilders are going to be running several compounds. But unless you are going to compete in the IFBB, hopping on gear is probably a bad idea. You should research it extensively and know all of the long-term health co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:26 AM
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There's a difference between having an IG and actively using it. Most people have an IG, even dudes. You're getting a false impression because you're only seeing the most prolific accounts on IG, e.g. the people who make money off of it. The average IG user has maybe 100 followers and posts a pic once every couple of months.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:57 AM
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You can defeat any and all social-media-induced problems by just... uninstalling social media apps. Done. There's no need to fight any big social battles over this. The solution takes seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:51 AM
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Not for the reason you think. This experiment is so dumb and immature that even teens would consider it cringe. If you did something like this and your partner found about it later, that's like, an immediate reason to break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:13 PM
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This post is literally just your insecurity demons speaking. Unless you plan to go off the grid and live as a hermit, both you and your partner will have interactions with other people every. single. day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:00 PM
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That's the thing though, it doesn't have to be an either/or kind of situation. Something like 3 hours a week with a proper program will give you very solid gains over a sufficiently long period of time and that's what, like almost nothing compared to how many hours there are in a week. I'm pretty sure that most people spend more time browsing on their phone in a single day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:56 PM
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Okay but why wouldn't you lift? It has countless health benefits, it encourages you to sort out your sleep and eating habits to maximize gains and it gives you a hobby that you can regularly improve at. And it's not even time-consuming, you just need a couple of hours a week. And yeah, women should be lifting too. 99/100 of those people are going to see massive improvements in their life from lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:30 PM
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If you care about Gen-Z social problems that much, political activism may be for you. And no, not the cheap online kind. I mean actually forming youth organizations, getting involved in local politics and voting. Endless online whining and "debates" have never amounted to anything of substance. Oh yeah, and most of the whining that you see is completely disconnected from the real world. It's a vocal minority creating a false impression that there is a problem just through the sheer volume of whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:25 PM
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There are plenty of Gen-Z lifters. Actually, SARMs goblins might as well be an epidemic. But SARMs goblins aren't complaining online. They are lifting hard, sleeping lots and eating even more. You can bet the average broccolihead has no trouble dating at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:10 PM
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Bro, you're spending way too much time worrying about hypotheticals, philosophy and what other people are doing. You should only be thinking about your own dating life. That said, dating is a practical problem, not a theoretical one. Go to a gym and start lifting. Doing that for several hours a week will serve you far better than overthinking things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:08 PM
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All social skills are learned. No one is born an instant pro.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:32 AM
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But consider this. The human default is being attractive rather than unattractive. Most people you meet are going to be somewhat pleasant to look at. Don't let a bunch of terminally online "experts" who have no relevant background in statistics or visual arts convince you that human attractiveness is normally distributed or that the human default is being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:49 AM
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Honestly this one of the weirdest online narratives. I did hardcore gaming in the 00s and the 10s and the people I played with were completely normal. Actually, most of them were married or in long-term relationships. "Having a nerdy hobby makes me special" - no, bro. Most "normies" have a nerdy hobby or two, they just don't make it their entire personality. Gamers with a hard "G" are actually the minority. Most gamers are casuals who get whatever's on sale, have fun with it for a couple of week…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:25 AM
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The PPD horseshoe. The blue pill is basically the black pill in disguise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:41 AM
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This is actually something that people don't get. Someone who is both attractive and genuinely nice is going to do way better than a "dark triad" wannabe sociopath. Actually, I'm pretty sure that a lot of dudes on here and the red pill are unfairly ascribing "dark triad" traits to attractive dudes by default because it validates their worldview or whatever. Plenty of people are both attractive and nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:39 AM
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They just need to lift, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:31 AM
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Yeah and I'm giving a different perspective because he is giving an undue MRA slant to a problem that's actually universal. Getting into trouble because you said an offensive joke is not exclusive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:26 AM
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There are plenty of jokes that are only acceptable when a member of the in-group says them. Actually, saying the wrong joke in the wrong place at the wrong time can have a lot more serious consequences than a woman complaining that it's inappropriate. You can skip this problem entirely by just not making potentially offensive jokes. Edgy humor is not all that funny anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:20 AM
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It's about as likely as encounter a bear while alone in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:06 AM
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Or you know... just lift, bro. A combination of cardio + lifting works way better than ozempic or any other "wonder drug". Plus you can eat more delicious food.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:12 PM
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I mean it takes some experience to figure out that other aspects of compatibility are just as important as mutual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:10 PM
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This applies to metalheads as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 06:22 AM
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Haha lol, conservative men are even worse at the whole "masculine" thing. Ever notice how the dudes professing how "alpha" they are are always terrible at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 05:39 AM
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Makes sense, you're basically posting tren thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:41 AM
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No, it's not. If makeup is deceptive, then so are haircuts. And clothes. If you can't tell that someone is wearing makeup, well...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 04:22 AM
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What topic? You set standards that you can't meet reciprocally. What do you want us to discuss?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:54 PM
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Alpha rule 1. DON'T do the dishes. DON'T clean your place. DON'T take out the trash. Stay on the grindset, bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:52 PM
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But it doesn't sound like you are actually into women. If someone is consistently whining about a particular gender for months, it doesn't sound like they actually like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:39 PM
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Okay but don't you want to be healthy, fashionable and have a good career just for yourself? Would you rather stay at home and play video games 24/7? Y'all whining about stuff that most people do anyway, regardless of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:14 PM
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Wake up y'all, new dating standard just dropped: have to be >4 feet wide.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:07 AM
3

Godspeed, queen!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:20 PM
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What y'all dudes don't seem to realize is that short-term flings and long-term relationships are completely different things. With one, your goal is to rush things as quickly as possible. With the other, you want to build a (hopefully) lifelong connection. Ofc the standards are going to be different. When you are trying to determine whether there is long-term compatibility with someone, the last thing you want to do is to rush things and get a chemical cocktail of happy hormones clouding your ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:16 PM
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Rule 1. If you accidentally make awkward eye contact with someone, stay the course. Ain't no way you're letting them beat you in a staring contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:45 PM
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If you are a bum but demand that your partner be a billionaire... that's not gonna work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:51 AM
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Standards are context-dependent. Any standard can become unreasonable within a certain context. Generally, if a given standard will skew a relationship heavily in your favor (like 60-40 or more), it's unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:04 AM
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Idk man. Straight people could probably learn a thing or two from queer people about healthy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:44 AM
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More defeatist nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:03 AM
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What is even "average" in this context? Do you find 50% of women attractive? Being attracted to 1 in 5 people sounds about right. If you are attracted to practically everyone, you might as well not have any personal preferences or standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:32 AM
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We're talking about a level of technology that would entail full robotization. Nice try but you're going to be replaced by AI way earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:58 PM
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He has also been involved with 5 of the guys in their friends group. Everyone but the OP really.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:23 PM
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That's the problem with the red pill, it was never a sustainable community. Is whining about other people inherently bad? No, it's probably even necessary in reasonable doses to blow off some steam. Everyone does it. But the red pill messed up by making it a core component of their spaces. Reasonable people don't want to stick around if whining is the only thing that's going on. That's why the modern red pill (or whatever is left of it) sucks. People who focused on the self-improvement component…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:36 PM
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It's particularly egregious because the self-help formula for improving one's dating prospects is known. But dudes be like "I don't want to do A, B, and C. It must be D, I'm struggling because of D." And literally just keep on digging in and coming up with insanely complicated theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:00 PM
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Yes, dudes who are naturally successful with women are borderline demons. How droll. Lots of mental gymnastics to convince yourself of that when you can just go outside and see for yourself that most dudes with wives and girlfriends are completely normal. The dudes in red pill spaces who are practicing being perpetually upset, on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:42 PM
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Class action lawsuit when the side effects really start to kick in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:54 AM
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Sure, but there are certain interests that will totally ruin a relationship unless both partners share or at least tolerate them. Like let's look at anime for example - classics like Cowboy Bebop are something that everyone would enjoy, even people who aren't usually into anime. But then there are certain genres of anime that would be extremely off-putting to people who aren't into it. So what do you do in that case? Just watch that stuff in secret while your partner pretends not to notice? Awkw…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:50 AM
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Having common interests may not hold a relationship together, but having incompatible interests is a sure way to quickly torpedo one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:39 AM
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Ok now imagine if your boyfriend didn't like watching Netflix. Or only liked divisive genres of TV like horror. Or if he didn't like going on walks. Just because something is widespread, it doesn't mean that it doesn't constitute a "common interest" anymore. Like yeah most people can agree that watching TV and going on walks is fun but it still counts as a "common interest". Now imagine a more extreme situation. One person in a couple likes to travel, the other hates it. How do they find common …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:37 AM
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How so? Beauty is subjective and people find different things attractive. How is that contradicting anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:48 AM
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And this is surprising, why? Literally fairy tales should have clued you in to the fact that people value physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:36 AM
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Red pillers really don't like the idea that Chad is most likely a blue piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:09 AM
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Fact is, you never know what's gonna happen tomorrow and having a lot of disposable income helps most people sleep better at night. If you're going to live an extremely frugal lifestyle like that, you should accept that it's not something most people are going to be comfortable with and that will limit your dating options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:25 AM
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Okay, and now another sudden expense has popped up before you were able to pay off your debt. Now your credit score is 0 and you are cooked. What then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:10 AM
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What are you going to do if there's a sudden expense that your 12k a year can't cover?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:06 AM
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You can always just communicate with your partner instead of taking advice from randoms on the internet, y'know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 02:17 AM
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Then why are most red pill forums defunct / shut down / inactive / converted into incel forums? Yep. It watched them arrive, indeed. And then it watched them leave as every rational person realized that it was full of bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 09:01 PM
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You are seeing exactly what the algorithms think you want to see. These "hours and hours" are more reflective of your browsing habits than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:59 PM
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The linked study involved a small sample of students from a single university in a single country lol. Hardly a strong foundation for advocating policy. Anyway, most dudes in long-term relationships are pretty chill and actively the opposite of psychopathic. "Dark triad" fanboys in red pill spaces don't seem to be having much luck, on the other hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:57 PM
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Nah, it's just edgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:52 PM
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It's cyclical. Comes in waves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:18 PM
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You're being too literal with "bare minimum". No one is going to split hairs over 38 vs. 41 unless it's one of the more important items in the checklist, like "9. don't be misogynistic". It's a very common practice to set minimum requirements slightly above what they actually are in order to weed out the contenders who are definitely not going to meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:05 AM
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Most dudes in healthy long-term relationships have a lot of these qualities. Maybe not all 41, but 38 sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:00 AM
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But still, none of these "requirements" are too unreasonable or particularly difficult to fulfill. If someone gave you a creative writing assignment to list as many qualities of a decent person as possible, it would probably look something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:55 AM
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It's not an issue for the vast majority of people though. We shouldn't be looking at edge cases to disqualify good dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:45 AM
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So? Are you trying to argue that the list is too detailed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:41 AM
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Most of these traits are heavily correlated. You can pick any 5 at random and once you check them off, you automatically fulfill the rest. It's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:34 AM
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I mean yeah it should be pretty obvious that if you're struggling with dating, self-improvement is key. But modern red pillers would rather complain about being 5% shorter than the national average and give up entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:33 AM
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Nope, it's not shallow. It's only shallow if someone's looks are the only thing you like about them. For the record, liking someone only for their sense of humor / personality / money / whatever is just as shallow. When you are romantically involved with someone, you are supposed to like them in their entirety. Not selectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:11 AM
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I know 5'5" dudes who go on way more dates than the 6'5" dudes. Height is a comfortable excuse, but ultimately it's just that: an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:38 AM
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You don't need prominent bone structure to be attractive. That's like the biggest defeatist mindset nonsense ever. Stop basing your beauty standards on the red pill's caricature of a Chad and you'll find that there are plenty of other attractive looks that you can go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:31 AM
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The right hairstyle and/or facial hair, as well as body fat % reduction, can change how your face looks a lot. Like a lot a lot. Height is not as important as you think. Plus if you are short, you can look jacked with a lot less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:09 AM
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Okay but hear me out. Normal dudes can self-improve to be decently above average in terms of attractiveness. Like yeah maybe you won't be getting modeling contracts or an acting career based solely on your looks, but being the best-looking dude in your social circle is relatively easy. Start lifting, get 8-9 hours of sleep on the daily, stay hydrated, eat well and try out different hairstyles and outfits. It's not that hard. Most dudes just try 1 or 2 cookie-cutter hairstyles and dress like a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:47 AM
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I mean I get the impression from some red pillers that they are heavily repressed and in denial. When you've got nothing positive to say about women but dudes be having "chiseled jawlines" and "glistening abs", bro...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:35 AM
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Do y'all even like women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:09 AM
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A.k.a. if you try to appeal to everyone, you will end up appealing to no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:43 AM
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Yeaaa, bad idea. You're never going to live up to someone's fantasy ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:50 PM
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Also watch how they treat other people. Remember, you're not the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:27 PM
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Yes, it does help with social skills. Like, a lot. If you're going to the gym, lifting when there are lots of people around will help you feel less shy and self-conscious in other situations. Plus, you're going to be making small talk and might even make a friend or two. Being stronger, more flexible and more coordinated will also make your body language more confident and natural, which is an immense help. Not to mention that making regular progress will help you feel happier, which also reflec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:19 PM
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All the good advice is common knowledge at this point. If you think that your looks are the problem, "just lift, bro" will fix it in 99% of cases. If you think that your social skills are the problem, getting lots of friends and socializing will fix it in 99% of cases. You will probably even get some dates through mutual friends. Or idk, maybe you will end up dating your best friend. Who knows? The problem is that it's a grind. You're not going to do "this one weird trick" that will solve all of…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 02:55 PM
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The problem with the red pill is that it doesn't work. That's why "classical" red pill communities are mostly gone and replaced by more extreme, incel-adjacent variations. So you have 1) people who have figured this out and moved on to other self-help communities, and 2) people who refuse to accept that it doesn't work and keep on doubling down. The red pill itself is an evolution of PUA. PUA, in turn, is a combination of "just lift, bro" and NLP. The difference is that "just lift, bro" works, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 02:40 PM
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Chad's mentor, Thad, is dating all of the women these days. 20%? More like 1 in 4 billion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:54 AM
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Getting trolled by Greta so hard that you end up in jail isn't very Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:16 PM
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Chad is actually blue pilled. This is known.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:11 PM
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Selfishness and "ruthless competition" are what people who watch white-collar crime dramas think success looks like lol. Gotta keep hustling bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:07 PM
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You wanna be seen as violent?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:14 PM
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Ok but how many cases are diagnosed by a doctor vs. self-diagnosed via TikTok?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:35 AM
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Wojak memes are just lame, simple as. They are only somewhat funny when a specific fandom adopts them to mock the characters. Default Wojak memes are just "woe is me" whining with extra steps. For an actually clever and funny take on the male experience, see the Virgin vs. Chad memes (VvC).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:23 AM
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Premium salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:24 AM
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:00 PM
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Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 11:24 AM
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That's how it works. You write down a little bit (can be just 1 or 2 lines) and it's already telling your brain that you want to remember more. You'll be remembering several dreams per night in no time at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 11:21 AM
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The more you write down your dreams, the better you can recall them and in greater detail. Most people have 4-5 dreams a night, they just can't remember them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:15 AM
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Dream journal, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:53 AM
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Even Naruto can't believe it...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:17 AM
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People be like, Imma spend my 20s binge drinking, chain-smoking, doing several hard drugs, skipping sleep, drinking soda instead of water and going outside once in a blue moon. Then say that feeling old at 30 is totally just natural aging and not their life decisions catching up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:00 AM
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Both have their own unique challenges that they have to deal with and so they are not directly comparable. That said, people tend to downplay other people's problems as long as they remain purely hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:49 PM
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Great flair material right here
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:45 PM
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The grass is always greener on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:43 PM
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Maybe you're not in as an incredible a shape as you think? Your visceral reaction says it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:55 PM
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Those millionaires and billionaires are probably nicer than the Nice Guy™.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:50 PM
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People in their 30s and 40s actually look better than in their 20s. Like a lot better. They have had time to develop a personal sense of style that's not generic. Plus if you're into lifting, your 30s are the earliest that you can achieve peak physical shape (without blasting steroids).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:07 PM
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People who peaked in high school / early college thinking that 30 is "old" is also a tale as old as time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:03 PM
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It is when you are abusing them without medical necessity. Like yea, someone who is morbidly obese and can't lose weight through conventional means would probably benefit. But in the case of slightly overweight people (a.k.a. the vast majority of cases), this is just feeding into body dysmorphia demons and making it worse. This is the same as trt. Is trt sometimes a medical necessity? Yes. But people are abusing it to get bigger and leaner. And once they make that first step, it doesn't end ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:26 AM
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A society of lifelong drug addicts with body image issues, what could go wrong? ☠️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:13 AM
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Weaponized anorexia. We all know how this story ends. Once you start taking drugs for appearance, it never ends. This is not it, chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:15 AM
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No big surprise, Chad himself is as blue pilled as it gets. TRP graduates just become blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:48 AM
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If you have enough self-awareness to be discussing societal expectations instead of following them, you are already above average. This applies to basically everyone on this subreddit. Sure maybe you won't pull off certain styles anymore, but there are plenty of others styles that the 20 year old you wouldn't have been able to pull off that you can do now. Trying to be average is a recipe for misery because the average person is flat out not doing great. Like yea if you go for a non-conformist s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:34 AM
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Then become attractive? If you're going to settle for being average, then you will be subjected to average expectations. Want a quality relationship that's not average? Then don't try to fit into the "average" mold.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:13 AM
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Seems like people fundamentally don't understand this advice. No, lifting / making bank / being funny / whatever can't be used to coerce a specific person into a relationship with you. However, all of those will make you more attractive in general so that you have more choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:10 AM
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Complete nonsense. Have you seen how popular K-pop boy bands are? Or the fictional male characters that get the most traction on Tumblr?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:08 AM
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You're not going to get super shredded and big by just going to the gym. You need tren for that and once you start taking tren, it's only a matter of time until you are also blasting hgh, slin and primo. "Just lift, bro" is still the king of dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:38 PM
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We were talking about money matters though, right? "Cares about looks but not income" is a bit more common than "cares about neither looks nor income." Imo, caring about income is definitely the more superficial of those two.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:08 AM
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Caring about someone's looks doesn't make one superficial. It can become superficial if looks are the only thing someone cares about, but wanting to date someone you find attractive is like the most normal thing in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:00 AM
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Not really, pretty much anyone into counterculture of any type is going to be critical of societal norms. There are hundreds of thousands of people in those scenes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:53 AM
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Work on being attractive. The vast majority of people can be decently attractive with a little bit of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:02 AM
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Everyone can benefit from figuring out what's going on inside their head. Therapy is just the easiest way to do so because you get a professional to guide you through every step. Certain forms of meditation (in particular learning to lucid dream) are probably more effective but also require a lot more effort and don't result in immediate gains.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:36 PM
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Positive masculinity is stuff like going on an epic quest with your bros to protect the world. Metal (particularly power metal) has a lot of albums about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 02:10 PM
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Bro, I'm gonna be real with you. The fact that you dumped her doesn't matter at all. You don't need to justify dumping someone, it can be for whatever reason or even no reason at all. You can always find a new girlfriend. Probably even one who is going to vibe better with you. The issue at hand is that you're unsure of your decision, even if you don't want to admit it. The fact that you are so preoccupied with it that you have made several posts on several different subreddits shows that your su…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:35 PM
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If you were 100% sure of your decision, you would have just accepted it and moved on instead of complaining about women online and looking to get validation that it was the right call.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:17 PM
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Hey man at least I'm not the dude who dumped his girlfriend because she looked funny at someone and is now seeking validation online because you know that you dun goofed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:08 PM
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Ah right. Because YouTube and social studies are famous for getting things right and totally not twisting them. Also, 100% of your partners were breathing on first, second and third dates with you, hence breathing is flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:44 PM
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Reading too much into body language, or early stage paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:26 PM
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Fr fr sometimes it's like listening to aliens doing a creative writing assignment on humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:38 AM
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When they say something like "a woman/man should...", that's your cue to start running.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 06:30 AM
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Good news is that they can't help immediately outing their views so they're easy to dodge. Both TRP and FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 06:24 AM
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FDS is a bit more passive and is mostly about setting standards while TRP is very proactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 06:01 AM
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Imma let you in on a secret It's because the boys are also listening to boy bands
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:25 PM
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The right is not very into artistry it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:05 PM
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If you don't like the "woke", you can always make "based" content. The disparity between "woke" entertainment and "based" entertainment says it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:03 PM
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"Involuntarily" is a misnomer. That's like saying, I'm involuntarily skinny because I can't lift big like Mike O'Hearn. No, bro. You can start lifting small right now and you will be big and swole in a year or two. We have an innate understanding that some things take effort (sometimes lots of it) to achieve, but somehow dating is the exception and you're supposed to be able to have the time of your life from day 0. The reality is that it's a challenge and yeah it will take some effort for most …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:01 PM
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You don't need to be both big and lean to be attractive. A year is more than enough to build a decent base. You don't need to look like you just ran a cycle of tren + HGH. Also if you are just starting out, being slightly overweight is better than being underweight. A career is not needed to date. Literally broke college students have more dating success than people talking about six figures. What you do need is not appearing like you are permastuck in a rut and spinning wheels in place. You don…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:23 PM
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A year is a conservative estimate. You can speedrun it far quicker, depending on your starting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:03 PM
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Broke college students go on more dates in a week than the so-called "players" do in years so a job or your own place is obviously not needed to date. You also obviously didn't fix the self-deprecating part so you are continuing to unnecessarily shoot yourself in the foot. Like I said, just lift bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:55 PM
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Happens automatically if you lift. Career change is not needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:37 PM
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Lifting is 3 hours per week if you are efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:35 PM
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Damn. He let his tren demons win.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:34 PM
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About a year to go from zero to hero. Wow, so much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:30 PM
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It's simple. It means having shared interests so that you can spend quality time together. If you don't, someone is always going to have to compromise, which is not sustainable. For example, if you only like death metal and your partner only likes K-pop, how are you going to see a band live? Especially if it's going to a big musical festival like Wacken? If you just don't have any common ground at all, it will inevitably become difficult to spend time together. Which then begs the question as to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:59 PM
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There's no justifiable reasoning for this. There is also a big overlap between dudes complaining about "modern dating" and the lads failing at basic stuff like giving your partner a thoughtful gift for their birthday. Btw, it doesn't even have to be expensive or physical. Buy them tickets to see their favorite band live if you don't have any better ideas. Just do something. Plan a date that they will enjoy. Anything is better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:44 PM
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If you're going to base your entire sense of self-worth on being in a relationship, you were going be miserable anyway. People in co-dependent relationships aren't happy. You can make the choice to stop stewing in this defeatist mindset and start living any time you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:23 AM
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This is so stupid I can't even. Working out at the gym makes everyday tasks easier, your overall health improves and there is massive carryover into other physical-activity-based hobbies like rock climbing, hiking or dancing. Skill-based hobbies like drawing or music let you create more awesome things as you get better at them. They might even open up career opportunities. At the very least, they let you flex your creativity - something that a lot of people are missing in our hyper-consumerist s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:04 AM
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You know, you can work on yourself and improve without hating on women. Or even thinking about women at all. Self-improvement is all about yourself, not other people. Trying to self-improve only to end up stewing in a pot of hatred and misery that you yourself have made kinda defeats the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:10 AM
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Believe it or not, not everything is about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:43 AM
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Even if you have exactly 0 experience, you should have enough common sense and carryover from other activities to know when you're doing something right vs. when you are doing it wrong. That's intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 07:41 PM
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Or you can take 5 minutes to read a guide online. Plenty of very good learning materials out there. It's not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 07:30 PM
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Occam's razor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:49 PM
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The bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:41 PM
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Even more ironically, the Chad in question is more often than not blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:40 PM
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I'm talking from a male point of view but I think it can apply to both genders. I know I have been in some baaad situations that I didn't even realize were bad at the time (they seemed good on paper). It took much more experience to put 1+1 together. Like yeah if you have the perfect fairy tale relationship with no red flags and all the green flags in the world, no need to sabotage it just to try something new. But if you're in a "meh" relationship, you shouldn't feel too bad if it ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:32 PM
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It's more likely that it will be completely milquetoast but not bad enough for you to realize that yeah, it sucks. Like in the slowly boiling frog analogy, you know? A couple of relationships should give you plenty of time to figure out all the aspects of compatibility, e.g. all the different love languages and how they match. If you're dating someone, you're going to be spending a lot of time around them so you want to be as compatible as possible and not just "good enough". You aren't followin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:21 PM
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No, it's more to get a feel for what kind of a relationship makes you happy (hopefully a healthy one). Many people are stuck in awful, awful relationships because they don't have the necessary frame of reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:12 PM
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Only LTRs - it's a good idea to have short flings with a couple of people to figure out what you like / want. Only short flings - there's probably an issue there. Idk what kind of issue but it's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:04 PM
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Normal sounds good. Neither of these extremes are appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:58 AM
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Straight men also find other men attractive. They are just afraid of saying it in public because... reasons. Check out how much time they had spent glazing each other in ancient Greece and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:18 AM
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Dating apps have a self-selecting population, and not in a favorable way. You have to look at the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:12 AM
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Lower body fat % will make your face more aesthetic. Healthy, hydrated skin + a suitable haircut and/or facial hair will also make your face more aesthetic. Being shorter will help you look more swole as you put on muscle. Stop making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 07:07 AM
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Eat clean & train hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:59 AM
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Doings things to be attractive. Because you know, just giving up and blaming everyone else is easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:42 AM
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Nope. They just built a "feels good" narrative to disavow themselves of all responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:28 AM
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"Women don't find men attractive" is the most unhinged narrative to come out of the manosphere lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:21 AM
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That's what I'm saying. Those differences may exist, but they are nowhere near as large as people think. People will take a study with a 1-5% effect size and then run with it like they've made a groundbreaking discovery of the century
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:33 PM
2

No, it's actually super common with late millennials and Gen-Z. Older generations, sure. Even the most hardcore of gamers had other hobbies back then. With Gen-Z, there are a lot of people who just game and do nothing else. Maybe browse social media sometimes and work a job that they hate to support their gaming habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:26 PM
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You didn't draw with crayons when you were a kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:59 PM
2

Yea I don't think we should be using a guy like that as a model example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:53 PM
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"Prefer" is not informative. Prefer, but by how much? 1%? 100%? Both fit the definition of "prefer" but the gulf between these two effect sizes is vast.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:52 PM
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Everyone is born with creativity. It's just something that people tend to lose over time as they become absorbed by pure consumerism. Read again what I have said. You don't need any particular creative hobby, just a creative hobby in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:51 PM
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Most social sciences can't be interpreted by people with no relevant education. They aren't reading papers and understanding them. They read the abstracts or editorialized newspaper headlines and then think that they understand what is actually being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:47 PM
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This advice is good, but the trouble is in the implementation details. Dudes hear "have good social skills and an interesting personality" and have no idea what y'all talking about. Pro tip 1: don't waste your time learning "game". Instead, learn empathy and active listening. These two skills have much more broad application than "game", which you don't really need at all. If you can actually hear what people are trying to tell you an provide interesting responses, they will like you and and wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:35 PM
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It's a faulty belief that they can force someone to like them as long as they do x, y and z. Like bro, this is not how any of this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:08 PM
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You gotta find a look that works for you and stick with it though. Being unique is better than being generic. It's one of those situations where if you try to appeal to everyone, you end up appealing to no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:41 AM
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Not nearly as bad as the dudes who are 1-2 cm shorter than the average (or hell, even taller than the average but not "tall enough") and decide that "it's over" because of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:24 PM
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This advice is a good starting point, but it doesn't go far enough. Losing weight isn't actually what you want to do, it's building muscle and you need to do cut & bulk cycles or body recomp to do that. Wearing well-fitting clothes isn't enough either, you have to develop your own unique sense of style. Same goes for your haircut. Many dudes shoot themselves in the foot by sticking to haircuts that are "solid" but basic as hell. Hint hint, there are thousands upon thousands of possible hairstyle…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:21 PM
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Just like you can't logic your way into a relationship, you can't logic your way into being attractive. If you're obsessing over arbitrary checklists and standards, you're wasting your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:23 PM
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Yes, your height is totally the only thing holding you back. /s in case you need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:20 PM
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Fear? Nah, it's just schadenfreude whenever some dude shows up to "debate" fascist ideas in a progressive space with actual moderation and instantly gets banhammered.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:39 PM
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No amount of thoughtful criticism will ever win against a tidal wave of Gen-Z broccoliheads reposting 4chan memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:24 AM
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Alt-right victim complex in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:21 AM
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More like they just leave and make a new space because like all responsible adults, they don't get into shouting matches with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:19 AM
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In theory? Why not. In practice, they don't. Lots of research and data on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:17 AM
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Pretty much every nerd community to the point that "alt-right" and "nerd" might as well be synonymous these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:10 AM
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Because progressive spaces don't automatically turn into a "race to the bottom" that ends with someone committing a crime and getting jailed? Take metal for example. The vast majority of subgenres are progressive and completely drama-free. Then you have black metal that still has bands running with hyper-nationalist rhetoric and being implicated in serious crimes every year even decades after the OGs all ended up murdering each other or getting locked up in the slammer. Like it or not, alt-right…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:08 AM
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Because: It's very easy to overwhelm a progressive space with alt-right rhetoric and cause everyone except for the echo chamber to leave. Progressive space turn into alt-right spaces very easily, but the reverse almost never happens. Alt-right spaces tend to promote violent / illegal rhetoric that inevitably gets them shut down. Basically if you have a progressive space, you have to be very strict with moderation or you will eventually lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:51 AM
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Male spaces could use some more policing to prevent them from turning into alt-right echo chambers as soon as they have more than 100 active participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:10 AM
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"Dad bod" generally means a dude who lifts but isn't crazy shredded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:10 AM
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Sounds good until they realize that you are a passport bro and ask you to move back to your country of origin and then immediately divorce you. But not before emptying out your bank account. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:17 PM
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If only dudes cared about their own looks nearly as much. None of the pills would even have to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:48 PM
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Lol no one is going to accidentally become a bodybuilder by going to the gym. That's like 10 grams of gear per week for years. People have no idea what natural physiques actually look like because of all the fake natties on TikTok and broccoliheads eating SARMwiches.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:43 PM
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Bro, everyone has things they have to deal with. If your biggest concern is your height, then you have it pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:36 PM
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☠️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:19 AM
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The bear was chosen because it can go 5 minutes without self-deprecating or whining about being a bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:08 AM
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No, but I'm really good at spotting trouble way before it becomes a problem and then doing a 180 and running away as fast as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 09:21 AM
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Idk. Maybe because dudes have no standards (other than in the looks departments) and will get into a relationship at the first chance they get instead of really thinking about it and whether it's worth it. Like bro, aim for quality. If you're in a relationship with someone who actually loves you, none of these problems apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 09:10 AM
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It's not a strawman. I have spent at least dozens of hours squeezing my neck and shoulder muscles while bored during all kinds of social events. You're simply running with the interpretation that makes sense to you while in reality, people do all kinds of body language for all kinds of different reasons. It doesn't have any inherent meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:39 AM
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Yeeaa, I guess when I was pushing against my delts and traps and seeing how hard I could squeeze them, I was actually flirting with everyone in immediate vicinity instead of just being bored with the conversation and trying to find something more interesting to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:29 AM
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It means literally nothing at all. You can put 2 straight women next to each other and they will display they same body language. Hell, they'll probably get even more comfortable with each other just because they know that they won't accidentally misread the situation as attraction / interest. 2 straight dudes who aren't concerned with being seen as queer would probably do the same. Playing with your hair is just fidgeting. Did you never get told off at school for finding random stuff to play wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:19 AM
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He's actively thinking about "holding frame". He bought into the grift hook, like and sinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:12 AM
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You're getting upset over normal body language that everyone does just because some grifter on the internet told you do. That's like the definition of an imaginary problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:05 AM
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Stop reading red pill content. Stop overanalyzing. Get out of your own head. You're fighting an imaginary problem that is not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:45 AM
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Biggest, #1 disaster: people are coming up with an imaginary "perfect" partner and then getting upset when real people don't fit the mold. Like bro, stop going into dating with expectations and preconceptions. If you like someone, your brain will let you know that you do. You don't need an entire checklist and a dreamy Kodak reel life planned ahead. It sometimes feels like people are looking for an accessory rather than a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:56 AM
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Just lift, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:16 AM
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Yeah but not really. Red pillers love their "biotruths", but this is actually an example where they are applicable. Humans are fine-tuned to subconsciously pick up on information that the conscious mind may miss. That's where the feeling of being watched or feeling unsettled comes from. Don't need a whole load of information to see that someone is desperate. Just the body language is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:51 PM
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It's actually lowkey tragic because if you're a dude looking for a male-centric community online, your only choices range from toxic to super toxic. Positive male spaces get immediately swarmed and taken over by manosphere / pill types.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:44 PM
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Yes, this conversation was happening. But it was just your local drunk ranting to the bartender and that's it. The internet created plenty of insane spaces that possible only because they self-isolate into echo chambers with zero pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:39 PM
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So... TikToks with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:07 PM
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Why does it matter to you, though? Just don't engage with them - problem solved. About the gyms: people filming TikToks are not any better or worse than broccoliheads slamming weights, sweating all over the bench, grunting, hogging equipment while on their phones or eating SARMwiches. If people are being obnoxious, find a better gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:03 PM
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It's nothing to worry about. Those dudes are snitching on themselves HARD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:35 PM
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If you doing everything apart, what's even the point in dating though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:25 PM
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Modern games are addiction / gambling / slot machine simulators.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:17 PM
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Gaming: modern game design is the culprit. Either your partner is also a gamer and understands FOMO, daily bonuses, seasonal battlepasses etc. or you're not going to find common ground. Imagine trying to explain to someone who's not a gamer why you can't go on a summer vacation because a new battlepass just dropped and it will be gone by the time you're back. Or a more banal example: lots of games are online / live service and you can't just pause them. Imagine trying to explain why you can't he…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:14 PM
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Some interests are complete deal-breakers unless both partners are into them though. Like video games. Either both are gamers or it's practically guaranteed to cause a massive problem somewhere down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:07 PM
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No, once a relationship is already that far gone, you can't save it. What you are supposed to do is do a 180 and leg it at the first major red flag that you see. Run, boy. Run. You can also look for green flags. Usually you want 0 red flags and plenty of green flags. All of these should be apparent within the first couple of dates so that you don't spend years trying to make a cooked relationship work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:17 PM
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You're conflating two different things. No one wants to listen to some dude ranting about looks because that's one of the most grating things imaginable. Instead, just look up any fandom where women are the majority and see how much time they spend talking about pretty actors and characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 10:03 AM
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If you are sufficiently attractive, the only game that you need is "don't be rude, creepy, hold fringe political opinions or be otherwise offputting." Which is so little that it might as well not require any game at all. You don't need to be super smooth or suave if someone just flat out finds you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:52 AM
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Ever heard of Twilight? ☠️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:43 AM
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We're back
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:07 AM
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You shouldn't listen to the people who ascribe magical qualities to the age of 30. They are the same people who spend their college years binging on booze and hard drugs and then wonder why they feel bad. But no, it's not all the booze and drugs. It must be "aging".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 03:49 AM
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One thing that makes me go ??? is people claiming that they have somehow been "lied" to about attraction being important. Like bro. Literally fairy tales should have tipped you off to the fact that attraction is important. It's like willful ignorance or I don't know what.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 03:24 AM
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I think it helps that I had turned down dates before. Like when I was trying to come up with a reason to not go on a date with someone, I wasn't really making a statement about them as a person or anything like that. I just didn't want to / was too lazy to. Same applies here, if I'm being rejected, it's probably simply because they don't want to rather than because they think I'm uncool or something like that. You don't really need a reason to justify not wanting to do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:09 AM
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It was pretty cringe but it took me just about 5 minutes to realize that worrying about it is not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:57 AM
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Rejection hurts exactly the amount that you let it. If you stay frosty and let go of your expectations, you won't care too much about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:44 AM
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Reason #1001 why you shouldn't use dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 05:11 AM
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Or just blast a little bit of tren.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:30 PM
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Hence "building", not "getting". Generating initial interest is only like 1% of the fight. Building and maintaining a quality relationship is a lifelong endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:19 PM
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Wait, you mean to say that "just lift, bro" works???
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:12 PM
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It's only a "privilege" if you think in terms of quantity instead of quality. Building a quality relationship is equally difficult for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:09 PM
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Sounds extremely generic
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:16 PM
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Only so much your looks and money can do for you if there's no substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:03 PM
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You do though. Being within normal BMI range is "okay" but someone who lifts will always be much healthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:36 PM
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19-21 BMI ain't healthy. If you lift, you should, at the very least, be in the 24-25 BMI range.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:19 PM
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They aren't going to improve their looks by complaining about it, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:42 PM
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Why is it always either/or. You should aim for both good looks AND a good personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:39 PM
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I mean yeah but we are talking about models here, not "normal" attractive. If you restrict your dating pool to 0.1% of the population, you're going to have a terrible time regardless. In my experience, once you clear the bar for being considered "attractive", you start to get approached by all kinds of people. Not just the ones that you may subjectively consider less attractive than yourself, whatever that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:53 AM
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If you want to make things overly complicated, sure. Sometimes the path of least resistance is the smartest choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:28 AM
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After a while, you don't have to do anything anymore because people will ask you out instead of you having to ask them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:18 AM
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Bro you ain't fooling anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:05 PM
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It might be a self-correcting problem. Once it's possible to just check out of society and live on UBI and indulge in <insert cool futuristic thing here>, the people who will still be going outside and attempting to socialize will, at the very least, be on the same page that they prefer human contact over generative content. There will probably be an entirely new economy based on human-to-human interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:37 AM
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Yea like I mentioned elsewhere, this will lead to social inequality on steroids. People give jobs to people whom they know. People date people whom they know. In fact, a lot of modern dating problems come down to people having tiny, dysfunctional social networks. Just knowing people is like the biggest advantage you can have, no matter what activity you are doing. Easy access to AI partners, FDVR video games, probably an entire host of nasty substances etc. will just separate society into people…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 07:27 AM
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Hey if you want to do things the hard way by using dating apps, that's your call
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 07:08 AM
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This is Gen-Z. They either don't lift at all, or if they do lift - they are also blasting SARMs and acquiring body image issues along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 04:06 AM
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People will get milked by corporations demanding that they swipe their credit cards to continue receiving "affection" from their AI partners. Open-source models will be used as indoctrination tools by nefarious agents to recruit people. We will have an entire demographic of people who will have entirely forgotten how to talk to other people, leading to negative social repercussions down the line. More social inequality because billionaires sure as hell won't be wasting their time talking to chat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 03:49 AM
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Like everyone suspected, people aren't asking each other out in person anymore and instead relying on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 03:43 AM
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I haven't kept up with it for a couple of weeks now. Is Sukuna still holding back?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 07:29 PM
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Read manga? I would recommend JJK
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 07:24 PM
2

Ez pz
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 05:06 PM
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Yea if you want a healthy relationship you probably want to be with someone who values decency lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:08 PM
3

Chad is a caricature.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:54 AM
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By far not the only job that AI will be taking. That said, the future is gonna be funny with hyper-addictive generative content lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:00 AM
2

Pretty much any piece of BP advice is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 01:51 PM
3

Bro, like 99.9999% of people never get in a situation where someone feels threatened by them. If someone is constantly behaving in such a way that other people feel threatened, that's totally that particular individual's fault lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 01:13 PM
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Women's feelings = emotions (yuck). Men's feelings = logic (based).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:43 PM
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The blue pill gives good advice, but it doesn't click with some people because it's open-ended and doesn't give you a step-by-step instruction to follow. There's a ton of approaches to "being confident" and you have to find your own. But that's probably something that teenage boys won't immediately understand so they discard it. As for actionable advice, the red pill says a lot of garbage that will you get you nowhere while good advice is completely incidental and borrowed from other communities…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:38 PM
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Did you really just imply that it is a crime if a dude feels like he's getting the short end of the stick in a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:21 AM
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Oh, I have no doubt that divorce is real. It's just that attaching an extra loaded term to it to self-victimize while underplaying the gravity of a very real and serious crime is not the way to go if those dudes want any sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:04 AM
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I mean terms like that do a lot of the heavy-lifting in explaining how those dudes ended up divorced in the first place lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:41 AM
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Idk, city planning could probably be improved to make more spaces for people to meet and interact with each other instead of stacking concrete boxes everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:08 AM
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On a meta level, it's probably because out of control algorithms and bot networks are haphazardly promoting content without any human oversight to make sure that it actually makes sense to humans. If you're spending all day consuming online content, it's likely to result in a worldview that's completely divorced from the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:04 AM
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Decent men can't have chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:09 AM
1

Do a 180 and leg it. Run, boy, run!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 04:49 PM
5

Fr fr, purity culture is at least 2 centuries out of date.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:17 AM
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You're still doing it in a roundabout and inefficient way. Actions speak louder than words and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:40 AM
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People can have weird and unexpected hang-ups. Some people handle intimacy badly no matter what. It can even be something as simple as a libido mismatch. The point is, why create unnecessary trouble for yourself when you can just check whether you are compatible or not without making a bunch of assumptions and extrapolations?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:29 AM
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It's probably a good idea to figure out whether your relationship is a candidate for the dead bedrooms subreddit before getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:17 AM
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Okay but what are you gonna do if your partner turns out to be a selfish lover with no desire to improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:15 AM
1

This year's Eurovision sure is fun
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:55 PM
1

Good advice. Though I'd argue that instead of getting others to figure out your looks for you, you should do it yourself (although asking others for input should certainly be a part of it). Workshop several looks that you want to try for yourself and get to work on them until something clicks. Once you actually like checking yourself out in the mirror, that's it. If you find yourself attractive, so will other people (maybe not all of them, but you shouldn't be going for that anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:51 AM
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Yea, I get it. But I'd still argue that having a screening mechanism in place is advisable for most dudes. As appealing as a date may sound, bad dates or dates that otherwise go sideways are just not worth the headache. If she texts you first, you can, at the very least, be somewhat sure that you're on the same page. If so, you can focus on making that first date fun and being yourself instead of turning it into some tryhard sweatfest while she tries to make up her mind whether she actually like…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:44 AM
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Asking someone for their number is a monumentally stupid idea. Like if you give someone your number and then they just call you right away and whoopsie-daisy it's a fake number. What do you even do in a situation like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 08:23 AM
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"Be a better version of yourself" is probably a better way of phrasing it. You don't need to become someone else, but there is always something that you could be doing to improve yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 07:40 AM
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Points 1 and 2 are actually very good advice. If someone doesn't have the emotional maturity to get over themselves and text you first, you will save yourself a lot of headache and heartache by just moving on. You are not an unpaid therapist to help people through their high school insecurities. As for point 2, being happy on your own is the single biggest advantage you can have in dating. When you are that secure and confident, you can assess whether a potential relationship is worth it with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 07:36 AM
5

The random man sneaking around in the woods and causing online debates had the coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:11 PM
9

This absolute unit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:05 PM
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Two of my favorite lifetime natties demonstrating what peak male physique actually looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:38 PM
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You picked the bear because you'd rather avoid the man. I picked the bear because I like bears. We are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:30 PM
2

Talking to someone and giving them your number already counts as a "first move". If they don't want to continue talking, that's their call. I can always try again tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:44 PM
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But why would I want to hang out with someone who doesn't want to hang out with me? Not wasting time on people who don't like you is a really good strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:20 PM
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Lack of empathy. Seriously, when diagnosing people's dating struggles online, it almost always comes down to a lack of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:16 PM
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Surely that means that the dude who's entering his 100th fight has an established career? Or does it as a hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:12 PM
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And plenty of others came to the opposite conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:10 PM
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Why are you immediately jumping to extremes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:02 PM
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Being good at one thing doesn't automatically make you good at everything else. If anything, being clever makes it easier to rationalize stupid ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:57 PM
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Don't do it for yourself. Do it for your future self. Would your future self be happy that you spent so much time being angry at yourself? Like they say, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now. Also, anxiety and anger aren't the core of your character. They're more like a hindrance than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:52 PM
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If you have already figured out your insecurities, why not take that extra step and start working through them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:44 PM
3

This, but it's also probably a good idea to offer your number instead of asking for theirs. That way there's less pressure and stress for them and they can decide later whether they want to keep talking instead of having to make a split-second decision on whether to give you a fake number. Or you can just give them your social media handle and ask them to like & subscribe because it's funny as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:19 PM
2

"The Red Pill Network" on the TRP subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:08 AM
4

Interesting rule. It excludes absolutely everyone in the TRP movement from being considered "red pilled". I guess it was just a thought experiment all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:00 AM
1

No true Scotsman lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 08:54 AM
2

Pray tell, what exactly is TRP advising? Like half of it is about using manipulative tactics to get dates and "holding frame" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:03 AM
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It's a revolving door. Right now it's probably Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:57 AM
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PUA has been around way, way longer than TRP. And the concept of self-improvement has probably existed since the dawn of humanity. Hardly a new thing. TRP just repackaged those concepts for Gen-X and Millennials the same way that another movement-that-shall-not-be-named is currently doing for Gen-Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:56 AM
1

All 100 would pick the bear (and so would both chill Hemsworth and rage Hemsworth).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:38 AM
2

No, being emotional is good. The thing is that you're supposed to recognize your emotions and handle them in a healthy manner. You can try to bottle them up, but they will always find some nasty way of coming out eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:13 AM
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You're right, it's not an ideology. It's more like a cult with all the hero worship (you know who I'm talking about). It doesn't really do anything new either. It's all borrowed advice from other communities (which, by the way, do it better) repackaged and made more palatable for the wannabe macho man. TRP's most unique contribution is that it provides a safe ranting space for people to voice their frustrations as they embark on the journey of self-improvement. A community that's all about ranti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:01 AM
3

Even big discussions (1000+ comments) are less than a drop in the bucket. And those views and likes are significantly padded by bots lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:04 PM
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Reminder that content online is posted by a tiny minority of people. Like yea you now know a little bit more about fringe cases but that's not how people actually behave, on average. It's a mistake to extrapolate fringe cases to the entire population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:59 PM
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He's starting to look like Sam Sulek.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:49 AM
14

It's funny when they pivot so hard into biology but then proceed to completely ignore neuroplasticity. Humans can conceptualize incredibly complex things like string theory (hint, an innate understanding of theoretical physics doesn't come prepackaged with being a human), but sure we're just apes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:49 AM
6

DNA and molecular sequencing, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:40 AM
4

Little to no hypothesis testing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:13 AM
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Because it's an extraordinary claim coming from people with no relevant education. And evopsych is probably the least credible field of science (honestly surprised it hasn't been classified as a pseudoscience yet). The fact that "influencers" like Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate and the Liver King are the champions of the "hurr durr man is just an animal" movement doesn't help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:52 AM
0

If women weren't oppressed then explain why they weren't allowed to vote
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:33 PM
28

It's easy. Confident women with dreams and ambitions of their own don't put up with manosphere nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:10 PM
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Yea but asking 100 people out on a date and getting rejected every single time is also pathological lol. Actually it's very pathological.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:45 PM
12

Yoo how am I supposed to see all my favorite black metal bands if you ban makeup? ???
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:43 PM
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Yoo bro, that isn't confidence. Needing people to reassure you is like the opposite of being confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:31 PM
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Confidence is supposed to come from within yourself, not other people
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:13 PM
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Step 1. Stop wasting your time "chasing" people who aren't interested in you. Step 2. Congratz, dating is now fun and you easily avoid most of the problems described online.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:20 AM
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Dating apps are awful. Going outside and socializing is by far the superior option.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:05 AM
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It's a confidence issue. There are various ways to build up confidence that don't involve dating or even socialization for that matter. For example, just getting really good at something tends to build confidence. And yes, lifting is also a good way to build up confidence. Once you have enough confidence and talking to other people doesn't bother you anymore, you can start working on social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:07 AM
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Social skills are just presentation. Personality is more important. If you have a well-rounded personality, have interesting things to say about stuff and have interesting skills that you can put to use, you don't need 10/10 social skills because people will still want to hang out with you regardless. If you have 10/10 social skills but your only interest is in playing video games and talking about Fortnite, well, you aren't convincing anyone who isn't already a gamer that Fortnite is interestin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:53 AM
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Lifting is still always correct. The health benefits alone make it worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:46 AM
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It's more like, "I know next to nothing about you so lemme construct this unrealistic version of yourself real quick and then hold you to this standard."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:14 AM
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🤓
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:24 AM
0

Immediately do a 180 and leg it. Run, boy, run!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:45 AM
11

Would you rather be alone in the woods with another man or a random bear?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 05:02 PM
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If your goal is to take all the good things out of a relationship and leave just some hollow husk or a parody of one... yea it sure does lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:47 PM
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But it's not supposed to fix things? There are plenty of utterly bananas takes online. This is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:36 PM
1

Virgin vs. Chad comics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:18 PM
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Yea because you don't need tech to do that lol. It's called empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:57 PM
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I mean in order to graduate from the red pill you gotta take the blue pill since all the chads are blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:57 PM
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I mean there's a simpler explanation - they got scared of commitment and ran away. Not everyone is ready to date even if they're actively trying to date. Actually, if someone tells you that you're "not like the other guys / girls (whichever is applicable)", you should probably immediately do a 180 and RUN.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 12:58 PM
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I mean yea but our culture is structured in a way that encourages that sense of entitlement. How many movies are there coming out each year where the dude gets the girl because he does x, y and z and that's his "reward" at the end of the story? How many movies are there that instead develop the idea that relationships are supposed to be mutual? This is not going to get fixed any time soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 09:50 AM
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Emotional availability is simply not putting up a tough guy act all the time and acting like you're too cool for everything. There's not much more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:51 AM
11

OP, are you NBA's star player? Or maybe you can outrun Usain Bolt? Or maybe you single-handedly won a war?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:49 AM
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Another example of why you shouldn't take advice from random people on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:41 AM
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But what if there's a bear in that park?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:07 AM
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People on dating apps tend to be more shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:01 AM
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You don't have to wear makeup to a date
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 12:59 AM
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Wait what. How did you equate that with companionship? It's probably like, one of the less important components of companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 04:33 PM
1

Complaints about makeup are... something else lol. You can watch a 5 minute video on YouTube and learn exactly what it looks like. And maybe learn something new along the way too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 04:20 PM
1

There are more obvious signs. After spending a bit of time in the fitness community, you learn to spot the difference between SARMs, TRT, tren, anavar, HGH etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:33 PM
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If they're already having trouble dating, it's kinda counterproductive to self-impose restrictions that make it even harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:34 PM
2

Sounds stressful
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:16 PM
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Always funny when dudes be like "but women only go for 20% of dudes" and then turn around and immediately present a ludicrously long list of requirements that disqualifies 99.9% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:00 PM
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Not worth it, probably. Hopping on gear is a great way to torpedo your health.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:59 PM
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This thread is already full of people describing heavily juiced physiques as their reference point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:10 AM
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If you're lifting hard, you will have to ask someone to spot for you. And someone will ask you to spot for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:09 AM
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You're not gonna get good answers here. Most people have an extremely distorted view of what a solid physique actually looks like because of all the grifters on TikTok claiming to be natty while blasting 10 grams of gear a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 07:00 AM
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It's also insane because people are missing out on sooo much great music because they're focusing on how the pop stars look and the dance routines instead of, y'know, the music.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 04:30 AM
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It's actually hard to believe how toxic the entire K-pop scene and culture is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 04:16 AM
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Nah, that's kinda a defeatist attitude. With so many hundreds of thousands of people in your country alone, surely you will vibe with at least some of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 08:15 PM
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If you have to work to get them to notice you, you're already messing up. With the right person, even asking them out on a date should feel stress-free and effortless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 06:47 PM
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Dating should be effortless. If you're with the right person, spending time with them should feel comfortable and relaxing. Tryharding is not sustainable in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:44 PM
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Hmm I'd say move to a better part of the town if your social circle is like that Remember, your network is your net worth
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:27 PM
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That's why you gotta be extra careful with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:09 PM
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Caveat: self-proclaimed "nice" guys generally aren't actually nice lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:07 PM
2

Treating other people as a status symbol is kinda cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:06 PM
4

Wait what. Where's the bear?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:29 PM
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No one. The bear is now getting all the attention on Tinder (but there is another bear taking an interest in all of these dudes too).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:30 PM
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I would (at most) ask them what's up with it since it's pretty unusual. If they just feel comfortable with it, great. If it works for them, it also works for me. On the other hand, if it's a new thing because they are stressed about work or something and can't find the energy to maintain their usual habits, it's probably a good time to look into de-stressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 09:36 AM
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Nah, more like it's just that what other people do with their hair is none of my business.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 09:22 AM
2

It's quite literally one of the most inoffensive things in the world. 100% of people have it and if you sleep on your arm, that's the first thing you're going to be seeing when you wake up in the morning. If someone ever tells you that any part of you is disgusting... run.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 09:18 AM
1

Put any more people or bears in there and it's going to be a rave in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 09:04 AM
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Someone sneaking around in the woods is creepy regardless. I'm sticking with the bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 08:46 AM
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This question is unbearable
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:29 PM
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It's extremely fringe. Most people associate the red pill with the Matrix instead of Andrew Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:02 PM
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There will probably be more male-centric self-help communities that will focus on teaching men how to love themselves instead of the typical toxic manosphere nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:54 PM
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They probably shouldn't be doing whatever influencers on TikTok tell them to, but their parents shouldn't have given them unsupervised access to the internet either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:08 AM
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Zoomers never had the chance to adapt to online spaces while they were still somewhat "sane". They got hit with the doubly whammy of social media + endless low effort content. They're the most "terminally online" generation and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:05 AM
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Shoddy statistics. This observation is very "feels good" because it disavows one of all personal responsibility. You can pick pretty much any activity and you will have people saying "oh well the cards were stacked against me anyway" to justify why they aren't succeeding.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:09 AM
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The grass is always greener on the other side: the comment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:30 AM
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People who don't struggle probably have better advice than the people who do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:12 AM
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Okay but why is that a problem? If 50% of men are not passing the bar, that means that an equivalent number of women aren't in a relationship either (unless we make a bunch of additional assumptions). If people would rather be single than in a relationship, there's nothing wrong with it. Maybe we should have more coaching / guru advice on being happy with yourself and addressing why people feel the need to be in a relationship in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:31 AM
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Yea, we should be focusing on relationship quality instead of quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:53 AM
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I have developed a radar for people who are going to sneak up on me and try to trauma-dump. That's why I always wear trainers so that I can do a 180 and leg it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:32 AM
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Saying something like that once is probably fine (minus the accusing someone of lying part, that's a big yikes right away). Everyone is allowed to have a meltdown and say stupid things every once in a while. Is it reasonable that your partner should catch you if you stumble and fall? Yes. But if you just continue to lie there and refuse to get up, that's on you and you should get help from a professional if you're stuck in a rut. This is why "focus on yourself before getting into a relationship"…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:20 AM
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Good idea, but there's a fine line between being secure about your insecurities and sneaking up on someone and trauma-dumping them. Like if you're going on a first date and you make it all about your insecurities, you won't have a good time. You can't really expect an almost-stranger to care that much and play unpaid therapist for you. Likewise in a relationship you should know when you should go to a professional therapist. There are problems that can only be handled by a trained professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 06:12 AM
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I mean we're just barely scratching the surface of what humanity can achieve and it's already stupidly amazing. Civilization in 2100 (or even 2050) will probably be very different from what we have today.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:50 AM
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Ayy lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:50 PM
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You started a mudslinging contest with her and got some mud slung back at you, why are you surprised?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 01:11 PM
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Err you weren't having a logical argument with her, you were being rude to her while talking yourself up like you're the best thing since sliced bread or whatever. Plus hypothetical situations like that are dumb because they are fundamentally unpredictable. You aren't going to come up with a satisfactory answer to that because there isn't one. Same with the trolley problem. The only one who's winning is whoever came up with these dilemmas and made people waste their time discussing them. Master …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 01:00 PM
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Why are people treating "30" like some magic number after which people suddenly become "old"? It's still firmly in the "young adult" bracket range. Is it a millennial quarter-life crisis thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:31 PM
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TRT, tren, anavar, HGH etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:13 PM
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What stack did he run?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:08 PM
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Uhh yeah if you need "variety", you should probably scale back on your internet and social media usage for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:48 AM
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Chad is old news now. Thad and Lad are taking over the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:42 PM
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Yeah well the way he is describing his social life, he is living in a not so well-off part of the town. If you live somewhere like that, it's kinda expected that everyone in your social circle will be a deadbeat trying to drag you down to their level. Idk why people put up with that nonsense instead of getting the hell out of Dodge and building a better social life. Your network is your net worth or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 01:03 PM
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It sounds like you live in a toxic environment. Step 1: extract yourself from toxic environment. Step 2: try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:15 PM
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Nah, he claims to be lifetime natty just like Mike O'Hearn. Maybe he even eats duck eggs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:20 AM
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He has a typical HGH gut as well as roided out delts. At the very minimum he's running TRT, HGH and tren.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:12 AM
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For the amount of gear he's running, his physique is really not at all that impressive. There are 18 year old SARMs goblins who are both bigger and more aesthetic than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:47 AM
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Depends on what kind of movies one watches. Turning your life into a musical would be a pretty gigachad move tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:28 PM
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My issue with "pill" content is that it doesn't teach people how to actually be happy, which is pretty fundamental to everything else. It's safe to say that if you aren't happy, you probably aren't doing your best whenever you are working on various skills, your career or your relationships. Ideally you want to be at a point when you are happy enough that it's fueling your desire to do other things, but not "drugged up" super complacent happy. You want it to be a positive feedback loop where doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:22 PM
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The problem is that getting better at something requires building a habit and takes years rather than a one-time burst of effort. If you want to be athletic, you have to actually enjoy fitness and make it a habit to exercise several times a week because it will take years to get appreciable results (unless you hop on gear). If you want to be social, you have to push yourself out of your comfort zone and make it a habit to socialize with other people. And you will probably be terrible at it for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:40 PM
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Chad wasn't chad from the get-go. Maybe chad was more naturally inclined towards certain things that helped him get a date, but he still had to put the work in. If chad has survivorship bias, anti-chad has a bias where he sees the end result but not all the effort that went into achieving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:18 PM
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Learn to self-assess, self-assess what's preventing them from getting a date, fix it and get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:10 PM
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That's the problem, they aren't following that "tripe" lol. They are doing everything except for the things that would actually help them get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:05 PM
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Okay yea, and your point is? Absolutely every activity carries with it the risk of failure. You shouldn't be looking at the exception when something works for the other 99.9% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:00 PM
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Nah, Chad is just one guy and yes he is dating ALL of the women (and most of the men).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:57 PM
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It's just a blame-shifting tactic. If someone can't get a date, there's only one person at fault: themselves. It's easier to pretend that there's some kind of a society-wide problem instead of trying to fix your individual problems lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:56 PM
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It's super easy. As long as you make it very casual and give someone an easy way to say "no" (a.k.a. don't be super insistent, make a scene or fail to read the room), asking someone out on a date is the most harmless thing in the world. No one is going to sue you for asking them if they want grab some coffee together.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:25 PM
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Every friendship starts with casual chit chat. Unless idk you hit that dank kush at a rave and have a deep philosophical conversation about machine elves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:48 AM
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How is someone going to make and maintain a friendship if they can't even handle a casual chit chat?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:40 AM
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Imagine how much more chill society would be if men and women being friends was very normal. Self-imposed gender segregation is one of the dumbest phenomena in this generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:32 AM
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When a hammer is the only thing in your toolbox, every problem looks like a nail.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:21 AM
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Haha lol The dudes who are socializing are not the ones who are complaining online It's the dudes who stopped going outside altogether when WFH and remote learning became the norm that are complaining about the "loneliness epidemic" Just one more example of TRP narratives completely falling apart when crosschecked against reality
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:23 AM
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You have to remember who the target audience of these coaches are. It's mostly people in their late teens or early twenties. They really don't know much about anything at all and will readily slurp up whatever sounds "right" without further checking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:30 AM
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Why the hyperbole lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:30 PM
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Things that can be easily proven wrong by just going outside and seeing what the real world actually looks like don't need statistical backing lol. It's only online where half the red pillers are living in a prehistoric animal kingdom LARP and the other are LARPing as the nerd character in a high school musical about sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:25 PM
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Damn must be exhausting living in 10,000 BC
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:20 PM
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Red pillers getting mad at self-imposed fictional standards, a classic duo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:14 PM
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The 20-80 rule a.k.a. 20% of people make up 80% of statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:01 PM
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Haha lol why do they look like the cast from the 34th season of the Bachelor?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 05:57 PM
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