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Who do you think the men complaining in this sub are?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:28 PM
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The biological reality behind many such laws has to do with incentives related to infidelity/paternity/inheritance/loyalty and so on. I'm sure you can work it out ...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:21 PM
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Uninhibited mate choice has demotivated bottom tier men from trying at life or marriage bc when it comes down to sexual merit ... 30-40 years ago, engineering graduates coming out of university were very close to marriage age, and could start families in their late twenties. They were not "bottom-tier". They were the generation who built this magical internet world around you while you were growing up. Their children today, as engineering graduates, take much longer to find mates. It's far from …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 06:47 PM
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Men routinely cheated on their wives with mistresses and at brothels. You should not assume this was unproblematic in medieval Europe where there were inheritance laws. Also, punishment for infidelity in medieval Europe was harsh for both men and women. Banishment from the city, and worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 06:23 PM
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Monogamy benefits most beta males. Alphas either had the benefit of polygamy or easy access to mistresses. This is a cartoonish view of life in the middle ages and back. Tall strong men were more valued as soldiers and grunt workers. Power radiated from the top along different spokes than what you would assume from today's world. Short stature, for example, was beneficial in many ways (ex cavalry, navy, mining, and so on). Strong arms and chests were useful in many situations. The goal for the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 05:27 PM
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Patriarchy is a straw man. Legal rights have been equal between men and women for about 100 years. The cultural changes that eroded marriage and dating started happening in the 1970s and later. No, monogamy is not a sexual strategy. Rather it is one of the premises for civilized societies. My suspicion is that we are close to "peak feminism", because there isn't much space left for it to grow. Did men set up society to control womens sexual choices? No. It's just that no other "societies" surviv…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 04:54 PM
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The respondents in this thread are saying "but women like when you show off your skills!". The counter point is that performing with an audience is less than 0.1% of the time investment in learning any skill (dancing, music, painting). Almost all training/repetition is alone or with few opportunities for socializing. If you think it works without skill, just visit a karaoke bar and see how the bad singers fare with the girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:09 AM
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The behaviour of "western" stone age people in central Asia and Europe is not known. Monogamy has been at least normative in western societies for millennia, and in its most recent form through christianity. The most important effect of monogamy is that almost all males become invested in the future of the tribe/society/civilization, which means they direct their efforts to what is "good for the next generation" rather than "what is good for me now". It might be the defining difference between a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 09:15 AM
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Mutual oneitis is indistinguishable from love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:40 PM
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Not sure exactly what RP says now, but the old tenets of game were: The point is not to impress the girl with your stats. The point is not to entertain the girl with your wits. The point is to arouse the girl emotionally by being the sort of guy that likes and enjoys himself, and can bring the girl "along for the ride" The point is to transform yourself by overcoming your fears, traumas, and hangups. This was also the "final prize", not getting laid. RP adds the perspective that fulfilling relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 06:22 PM
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It varies with time and with the women the guy is surrounded by. My view of women tends to be a sort of moving average of the women I'm immediately surrounded by over a few years or so. The older view gets replaced with new experience, in proportion to how intense it is. I have experienced the mystique, wonderment, abundance, frustration, wtf, indifference. Average guys probably have a mix of these, depending on where they are. To be fair, most life-defining moments happen in relations with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 06:00 PM
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There is a massive gap in talent between these and (even) the top 1% musicians, anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:51 PM
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We can't choose freely where our talents lie. Playing in a metal band is cathartic, but there are practical obstacles, like getting a band together and a place. This seems easier for teenagers, for some reason. Getting a bunch of guys together in a sound proofed garage would be great. I recommend this. Mostly it would be practicing solo with ear phones the bedroom. Also good.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:09 PM
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God has so many ways of knocking you down. If thin facial hair is your main concern, you're pretty much on his good side.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 03:22 PM
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Interesting. Still outrageous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:47 PM
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In between "becomes negative" and "picks himself up and gets better" there is a stretch of gray zone. Assuming no violence or blaming, the question is what comes first in this stretch of gray zone; 1) woman dumps the guy, 2) or the guy gets a new job. I suspect it's more common for the woman to dump the guy, mostly depending on how deep the confidence drop is (never any violence or sociopathic stuff). You represent the opposite view.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:12 PM
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Are you giving the same advice in public to random people, as you would to your own children in private? No? That's categorizing. It happens here all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 01:50 PM
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Ok. But this is why men can't show weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 01:45 PM
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Fascinating. My general experience is that women view men more as fashion items. Similar to how a new flashy bag can make the woman feel "shielded" and "secure", showing off a flashy guy makes her feel secure. If the man loses confidence during a tough time, he's out of style. It is embarrassing and the woman can't be seen with him. So even after years, she will dump him. She might confess to "still caring about him" but I wonder what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 01:20 PM
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If you had to guess, what percentage of women would be supportive? What sets these women apart?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:48 PM
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I'm not aware that I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:42 PM
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Yes, that is a more reasonable view. But. When you say "it's fine" vs. "it's bad", what exactly is the difference in terms of how you see and treat him? A guy going through hard times is still disqualified from most social settings with women. He's definitely not dating material, and around here we call him low value. While there are worse things than low value, in practical terms in doesn't really matter for the guy once he's out of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:31 PM
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Sometimes "I've got this" means "this is our best shot, there's nothing else". Failure in these cases is not because the guy declined help. The situation you're describing - a guy that is too proud to ask for help when it is available, and fails - is different from in the OP. Men don't respect this sort of guy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:15 PM
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I think women, in their natural state, view the world in two or three categories of people: Main husband, "king", or father of her children. She's above him in the household, but he is the highest male. This spot could be filled by her eldest son if the husband dies. It is defined by the symbolic power she assigns to him, and that he wields over the plebs. Other women that she has some control over, and can exert control over men. This could be daughters, daughters in law, potential daughters in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:56 AM
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There is a wider problem, however. Safety and security in modern civilization is not provided by "strong men"; rather by beta males diligently doing their work day in/day out. Growing and picking food, transportation, delivering, guarding, garbage recycling, and so on. Your safety depends much more on these beta males out in the sun, than your fwb for the month.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 08:59 AM
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You seem abrasive but what you are saying here is accurate, and the message women should be teaching. At the very least to their sons, if no one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 08:56 AM
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The answer is; keep frame, do your best, and never give up. What are the alternatives? I believe women will consciously penalize men for being weak. Isn't this what we are seeing all the time? Women's definition of a loser is literally; a man facing difficult circumstances, and starting to give in/up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 08:50 AM
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This post is a gem. Here is a woman advocating we create a modern class of eunuchs. Castration for "untouchable men". I think it might even be helpful for men's issues if this view spreads.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 06:47 AM
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"TLDR: If it is not black-and-white, it must be solid gray. Nothing can be said at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 05:42 AM
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If you pay attention, you will see that no one is arguing against you. It is being explained to you that extended adolescence is orthogonal to this whole discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:23 PM
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Standard people dont have time for male dating problems. And even less if he is an icky low value genetic dead end. You seem like such a lovely person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:05 PM
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If someone opened the gates at a zoo, could you say that "the animals single-handedly created chaos"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:33 PM
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The analysis here is not really correct. The economy still runs on the blood, sweat and tears of beta males. Furthermore, society and civilization depends on beta males to behave in a docile, domesticated way. When a big enough proportion of males figure out that they have no investment in society/civilization, they will check out in various ways. Right now, we are only seeing glimpses of this. It will be interesting to see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:25 PM
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For men it's easy; cut off your testicles. There's also chemical castration. Wikipedia: /.../ Eunuchs supposedly did not generally have loyalties to the military, the aristocracy, or to a family of their own (having neither offspring nor in-laws, at the very least), and were thus seen as more trustworthy and less interested in establishing a private 'dynasty'. Because their condition usually lowered their social status, they could also be easily replaced or killed without repercussion. In cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 07:49 PM
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The claim is not that young women are rejecting marriage proposals. Rather, it's that they are rejecting average guys altogether until they "grow tired of chasing chad" in their thirties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 07:23 PM
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Women who believe they are more intelligent than they are can be unbearable. They want to argue to experience the rush, but they don't fully understand what they're saying or what the discussion is about. As guys, we observe that there is an intersection between these women and "educated" or professional women. It's not what any guy is looking for. Intelligence itself is a must for me, but I'll be the judge of that, not some diploma or office job. (In certain cultures, certain rules apply as to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:58 PM
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Even in ages 30-39?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 04:13 PM
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That, and probably because women date older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:42 PM
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It sounds like you think a "cuck" is a respectable guy? What defines the cuck, the alpha, and the chad in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:31 PM
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Have as much casual sex you want, but understand then that there is no commitment waiting for you down the line. And don't sound so confused about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:20 PM
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sigh Just go to a soccer (or whatever's comparable where you live) practice, or watch a father teach his son fish, or whatever. Listen to male voices teach young boys things they are afraid to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:13 PM
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Understand yourself well enough that know and can articulate your values, how these would manifest in a guy, and what sort of relationship is acceptable. And if you have disappointments in the past, understand why you let yourself be misled. Therapy. Diet and exercise. Tasteful beauty/fashion When you have a clear realistic idea about the sort of guy you can have a relationship, you might need to adjust your lifestyle to expose yourself in a way that you become exposed and attracted to these sor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:09 PM
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Yes; and here is the central conflict in all of this. Women; if you have a history of ons or fwb with "chads", why do you expect to be treated differently by us? As long as chads get different treatment, commitment is off the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:44 PM
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Obviously it's not black and white, and there are exceptions, but this is what can be expected based on overwhelming experience. Women are better at soothing, calming, forgiving, and so on. Men are better at setting boundaries, rewarding courage, and so on. The words "well done!" spoken in a male voice means something different compared to a female voice. If a young child was to have only one parent, all other things equal, it's preferably the mother. If the child is to become a fully functional…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:33 PM
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Move to Asia. Do physically risky jobs increasing adrenaline/testosterone. Example bicycle courier in Mumbai.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:54 AM
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Maybe this is why men more often seem no-nonsense to work with. Much less ulterior motives with the entire work experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:41 AM
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Men alone can't do child-rearing, but teaching skills and playing sports, for example, are not feminine. Only men can do this properly in a way that builds confidence in children. Cooking can be both feminine, masculine, and sexy. See all the famous tv-chefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:30 AM
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Why would anyone put "career first" - as if careers have their own purpose. Men always put family first, but careers are vehicles to achieve this. And then, how many of these women actually like their jobs? I suspect career women are mostly inept at relationships and intimacy, and they believe careers are buying them some sort of confidence and security.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:27 AM
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I think RP have mapped out the nature of women accurately enough, but nothing I've read anywhere seems like good advice. So I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:46 PM
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Depends a bit on what type of woman it is, and the type and duration of the relationship. Knowing I won't commit, I'm taking either time or n-counts, or both, from her. Assuming these are what I value in women, and I care about her, it is a conflict of conscience. On the other hand, I might change my mind about committing down the line (in a year or so) but if not, I've become that asshole myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:41 PM
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One problem with casual sex, or sex while dating someone who for sure doesn't make the ltr-checklist (whatever it may be), is that it increases her n-count. If you are a believer in "the tragedy of the n-count", that a woman's "shippability" decreases with n-count, how can you let yourself increase her's? Furthermore, if you relationship with a woman who for sure doesn't make your ltr-checklist, you are taking precious time from her life, when she should be looking for real ltr-candidates.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:30 PM
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The more you wait, the more importance is assigned. You will appreciate/treasure it more. The downside is you might overestimate it's importance. You might dismiss women who you don't consider "wife material" at the time, but you might change your mind after dating them. If you don't let yourself date (also without sex) women who are not ltr-material, you are going pass on so many women. You might also get into the conflict of caring for them as friends, but since they don't make the ltr-checkli…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:05 PM
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There is a genetic number, independent of age and weight. With professional trainers, dietists, make up, possibly surgery, these young celebrities exceed their genetic numbers in their prime years and in pictures. A domestic Mila Kunis or Amber Heard, without make up and some extra weight, are of course lower or close to average. These numbers can never be objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:56 PM
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Your gym dedication impresses me, but I think we prefer different aesthetics. It also sounds like we live and shop in different worlds. Among "cool brands" here (northern Europe), there is almost nothing available that isn't "slim", "muscle" or whatever-fit although the fashion currently is looser fits. Even so, of course the body shape is plainly visible. In addition: a fashion-designed loose fit is very different from a Kirkland plain t-shirt. I think we stumbled on some sort of culture shock.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:19 PM
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The point is not that. Fit men, wearing mostly the same clothes as average men, look very different and it's plainly apparent that they are more fit and attractive than average men. But then some men, in pursuit of some aesthetic ideal they have, train certain muscle groups disproportionately to others. In my opinion, and I suspect in most of women's, this is mostly waste. Shoulder width is partly fixed in bones, but depending on genetics there is almost no limit to chest circumference. Somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:46 PM
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I think if you let your chest have a smaller circumference, and instead focus exercises to maximize shoulder-width, looking good in normal t-shirts would be effortless. Chest circumference is not what I associate with "fit" or "athletic". This might be a cultural difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:21 PM
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The t-shirt should not be hiding your waist. The ratio is always clear. The only way I can see a t-shirt being so baggy that's hiding the waist, is if your chest is so big that you need to pick larger sizes. Shoulder width is partly "fixed" in the bones. I think you should maximize shoulder width - not chest circumference. The ideal t-shirt body, in my eyes, is something like Bruce Lee or Tyler Durden. (I'm not close to either of these, btw ...) But I suppose, cultural differences, and fashion a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:09 PM
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The t-shirt should not fit snugly to your stomach, or anything below the chest. It should be snug around the shoulders and arms, and relaxed around the waist. Even so, it needs to have a good cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:50 PM
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None of the clothes where I shop are ever cut for fat guys. Majority of cuts/sizes fit BMI:s around 20-21.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:14 PM
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Agreed. Female fashion/beauty is about putting effort into veiling details and body proportions. Men's style is about exposing them, effortlessly. The gym can't really help women unless they're fat. The correct advise is: you must make yourself look good in t-shirts and polos. It must look effortless. No one should be able to spot your styling efforts. Too much styling demonstrates self-involvement, obsession with details, and aversion to actually improving your body. It's weak and unattractive.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:04 PM
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Yeah. It happens in moments. But I don't do this consciously. I might have when younger and it does freak women out. Nowadays, if possible, I avoid wearing contacts or glasses so I don't have to meet anyone's eyes. The thing is, they are so unused to guys keeping the stare longer than them that they have no idea what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 10:09 PM
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If you "picked him up at the finish line" after a life at the cc, why would you even care? You're not exactly going for loyalty at this point. My feeling is these women get married to avoid the shame and pain of being single in their 40s and 50s and older, but the relationships themselves are just role play. There can't be possibly any meaningful intimacy there. The answer is 50/50, and it depends on whether his options are better than you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 09:16 PM
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It's not degrading on its own. Keeping eye contact with a woman requires some confidence. She will use her eyes to try to say something like "huh? who do you think you are?" If the man doesn't flinch, and continues with a smile saying "don't worry about me, but how cute are you for asking!". That signals intense self-confidence. When the woman realizes there is nothing she can do to break the man's confidence, she will react viscerally with fear or lust depending on how attracted she is. If she …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:59 PM
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Yup. Have yet to meet a woman in real life that spent any focused effort on learning to cook. Plenty of guys are nerdy about frying pans, stoves, grills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:27 PM
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Again I encourage you to make a tinder as a woman, and see how these prince charmings message women online. This is not making the point you think it is. It shows the equilibrium behaviour on tinder. What guys need to do to maximize their responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:07 AM
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Before even discussing all of the insane physical labor men had to do, wars they had to fight and die in, and deaths from lack of modern medicine, for most of human history only a small fraction of men actually went on to reproduce. All still true today. Modern medicine isn't benefiting men more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:54 AM
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The orbiters are getting nothing from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:10 AM
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Obviously, reality is not black and white. To people with first-hand experience, it feels black-and-white although everyone intellectually understands what's going on. All these descriptions are caricatures because it's more effective communication, and it shuts down wishful thinking. But the patterns are real.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:08 AM
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For sure, but windows of opportunity close permanently as time moves forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:03 PM
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Life on average spans 80 years, but most decisions affecting these years are made in the first 20-30. Experiences in these years form the remaining years. When opportunities are missed, they are gone. Millenials/gen z are going to be the saddest elderly generation ever. Bitter and lonely with no meaningful shared memories or experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 06:37 PM
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And for each guy that gets a gf, the friend group gets smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 06:22 PM
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Majority of women 24-35 are overweight?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:52 PM
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It is richer life experience. You won some, and you lost some. At least your children get to try their own luck in life, even if they don't like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:45 PM
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look death in its face, and say to it, "I'm leaving now. Come, take me." This is dramatic and wimpy. Men should say to death: "catch me if you can", and jump on a sports bike and beat his last record run to watch the sunset from the top of a mountain. We will die alone sooner or later. If it happens later, it will only be more sad. If society offered you nothing in life, you owe them nothing back. Take advantage of nothing being afraid of death, and live like all the simps would never dare.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:18 PM
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Incels are everywhere; air planes, concerts, gyms, beaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:04 PM
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It's sparing your survivors the problem having to deal with you when can't take care of yourself, for example in the bathroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:58 PM
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They are both rejection and abandonment. The former is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:53 PM
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There are few old men alive, at all. Over age 90, it's something like ~25/75. In addition, lonely peoples' lives are shorter on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:30 PM
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I think it is "built in". There is a birth surplus of males of around 1% (?). In addition, a portion of women used to die in child birth. My suspicion is that nature expects something like 25-50% of males to die of "natural" causes before the age of 20, either by killing eachother, themselves, or trying to catch wilderbeast. Most old societies have solved the surplus males problem somehow. Up until recently, this was effectively solved in western society through monogamy (enforced through cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:19 PM
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Women sometimes say "I'm not ready for a relationship. I'm working on myself." Assuming this is honest, the original poster wants know what are you (women who say this) trying to fix, and what are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:38 AM
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One role: being attentive and concerned to the needs of the children. Are they getting the right food, clothes, shoes, toys, helmets/safety, etc. Is the daycare/school good? Are they in right sports/activities? Socializing with parents of other children. If my future wife was good with these things, it would be a big relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:05 AM
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From your own perspective, in your best current understanding, what things make you less dateable than you'd wish? How do you address these things? A woman might say "I'm too neurotic and controlling. I meditate every morning. write journals."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 06:44 AM
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It's not necessary to literally "save the world" to be a hero. Making sacrifices and taking risks for the benefit the community is good. It feels rewarding to men. Being in a mindset where they are ready to start their "hero's journey" when the opportunity comes, which means risking everything to save [the family/community/world]. It kind of marks a transition, since established family men can not afford to risk everything. Frodo accepts his journey, not because he hopes to get rewarded, but bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 09:47 PM
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Grown men crying is extremely rare. Even if we want to, we can't. It's like trying to yawn but the body won't do it. However. Men get withdrawn, quiet, and heavy when they are sad or troubled. I think women are fine seeing that a man can carry sadness, stress, without crying for help or panicking. It's not about "expressing emotions", it's about expressing helplessness. "The situation is really really bad. It's never been worse. I'm not sure what to do right now. But we'll pull through."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 07:27 PM
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"no sex before marriage" is an indicator of good character. "no sex with a conservative" is not exactly equivalent, but she can have whatever preferences she wants. If she's using sex to barter in a committed relationship, then that's bad. I wouldn't think highly of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 07:14 PM
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In reality, women reward confidence and attitude, not "good deeds" or "courage". This makes the story essentially blue pill. In reality, men seldom get confidence in proportion to their contributions. Men's core confidence is usually burned into the brain during childhood and teenage experiences, and is nearly impossible to change through accomplishments. The fantasy is beautiful and comforting. Reality is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 05:50 PM
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It's corresponds to the male fantasy, which is something like: Guy is lost and unsure about life. Guy sees girl. Maybe tries to flirt but is unsure of himself. Girl is seen asking friends "do you think he's cute?" The world is about to end and the guy finds himself in the middle of the action. He finds new courage, and saves the world. With his new confidence and status, girl embraces him and they live happily ever after. This is what every male wants real life to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 05:17 PM
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Chad is a special temperament and personality. It's not necessarily aggressive or non-shy. There are many factors that make a woman feel that a guy is "non-risk gratification". My looks exceed many guys having Chad experiences, but women don't consider for me risk-free casual sex. I've heard third-hand that girls rank me higher but would sleep with others, because of some mental factors caused by something my persona projects. Sex with me is not casual. I'm even opposed to it. Women can sense th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 07:06 AM
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Yes. Being Bieber-esque means positive attention from girls, but it also means dismissal from guys. This is clear from comparing in-person vs text communication. Not all girls are into that look, although objectively attractive. In addition, Bieber is short. Some attractive guys judge themselves and each other on the attractiveness of their women. So, a much smaller pool of women is practically available, or visible, to an attractive guy. Some women can be flattered and confused if they hope/bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 04:12 AM
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I think this is a bit more subtle. Let's say man and woman are introduced by mutual friends in a social situation. There is no approach. The friend group considers each other equals, and there would be no thought given that the woman might feel uncomfortable if she's force to socialize among "lesser men". But in the moment, that's what she feels. She feels slightly offended that the men won't give her so much space as to acknowledge that she's above their league. There might glances directed tow…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 06:33 PM
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These guys are idiots. They are role playing. He will act, and she'll go along, as if someday somehow there's a chance for them. They're like low-key spank-bank antiquarians. Or like irl instagram stalkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 05:56 PM
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(I'm reading the question again.) The reason women reject me is always the same - they think I'm a loser. Why would this particular case be any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 04:07 PM
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Women don't move forward with a guy unless they have an overall picture, which they can suss out from intuition and stalking social media, and so on. This happens very quickly. If it's moving forward, she's already OK with the ballpark number. If she's actually "offended" by it, then good riddance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:43 PM
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There is no playing. The guy needs to see you as high value, and at that point it doesn't really matter. "Playing hard to get" only increases your value in the eyes imbeciles. Low/high value is not objective and depends on preferences, standards, and environment. Depending on environment, I can have immense or low value. In your eyes, my value can change quickly depending on career choices. I would be persistent if I found something I liked, but if you have the wrong face or bad history, there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 01:18 PM
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All your observations are probably accurate but the things you describe are not exactly self-improvement, although they are good. They are skills and activities which, depending on your attitude and ego, might also make you obnoxious. I suspect more women take therapy, write journals, and those types of things which is what they mean by self-improvement. The purpose for them is learning to like/respect themselves, getting motivated, learning to "be in a relationship", and so on. For guys, the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 12:38 PM
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It seems we agree on everything. My perspective is a single man in a world of women who insist their ons/fwb histories are inconsequential because "it's just sex". To me, it looks like the well is poisoned. Your husband values you for exclusivity and access. Not by the hour. Try depriving him for long periods and see how he fares.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 10:54 AM
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An employer asks the employee: why do you care so much about getting paid? it's just metal bits and paper (coins and bills)? - Because I worked hard for it. My work made you rich. I need money to function in life. The reason we can never see eye-to-eye on ONS and FWB is that they are essentially free subsidies of self-confidence to the men who are eligible for it. Meanwhile, most men need to work hard in life to get near the same dopamine injections.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 10:18 AM
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Why is sex "the most valuable thing"? I know that this belief is popular, but I wouldn't want to be with someone who seriously thought that my main value is sexual one. Because of n-count economics, you have a small fixed set of tokens to give out. Your warmth and personality etc is replenishable. It has nothing to do with you being "good in bed".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 09:55 AM
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No. The condition on which we can let the past be the last, is clear sign of change for the future. This condition holds indefinitely. Disgust over the past never goes away. A relationship like this is not equivalent to "an even" relationship where both partners have similar experiences. A recovered alcoholic can never have a "normal" relationship with alcohol. This makes life more difficult, relationships won't be as good, but we can overcome these things because on the whole it's better than d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 09:06 AM
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I don't think there is a fundamental difference between "performance" and "real persona". It is like beauty and fashion, but the choices are bit less conscious. People adjust their appearance and behaviour to fit circumstances. In hindsight it might look embarrassing, but so what. The relevant part is how they interacted, and how to what degree they hold themselves accountable. The quotes seem to be superficial and deflecting responsibility. Anything on the form "I was too generous/trusting/givi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 11:24 AM
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This post is giving too much credit to women. The word "empowerment" doesn't have specific meaning, and the women who have been participating don't think much about it. Whatever the interpretation, it is not what they are pursuing. They are only pursuing immediate gratification. Shame is the reason casual sex was uncommon way back. Society, family, friends would shame women. They would be shunned, ostracized, excluded. Scorned in public. Young girls would witness and learn the accepted behaviour…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 12:33 AM
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Genes for blue eyes are much older than human settlement in Scandinavia. The initial benefit to light hair and skin was probably related to UV-penetration and vitamin D, but there has been about 20k-40k years of divergence since then. Blue eyes is apparently about 10k years. They are recessive genes, which in effect means they are visual markers of "purity". This means, blue eyes is a strong indicator that its bearer carries 20k-40k years of accumulated evolution/selection. Other such indicators…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 10:33 PM
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Eye colour (for example) is a visible indicator of heritage. There is a whole package of genetics that come along with it. Dilution in colouration indicates dilution of heritage. Whether the visible indicator itself offers benefit is mostly irrelevant. Humans experience this preference and articulate it in language as "beauty" .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 10:07 PM
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"Creepiness" is the feeling you get when the other person seems to inhabit a slightly different universe than yourself. Women feel this when unattractive guys assume they have shot with them. It is suddenly at odds with their self-perception. The closest experience a man can have is probably being approached, or "sized up", by a gay man. The second closest is when drunk older women forget their age for a second and get too close or touchy. Women announce men to be "creeps" as to mark them untouc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 07:41 PM
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My exposure to revenge porn might be skewed, but it's not exactly real relationships with a guy the female could introduce to anyone in her life. Mostly ons videos, seemingly taken against the will of a chick who eventually capitulates to the moment as the scene unfolds. (Just clarifying, I'm not defending it.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 07:09 PM
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For example, videos from ons and tinder dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:56 PM
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Everyone enjoys sex. I enjoy alcohol, caffeine, and McDonald's. Because I understand there are costs, I control these things almost ritualistically. Never more than two coffees before noon. Very rarely McDonald's, and only celebratory. Therefore, I value them much more, and they are not becoming liabilities or addictions. Sex is more complicated. If it was only about stimulating the parts, then a bunch of toys would be enough for you. A woman addicted to a type of vibrator is almost endearing. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 03:46 PM
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There is a natural birth surplus of males, at something like 1-2%. Nature does this expecting a higher mortality for men. Is it possible that excess mortality of cave males is supposed to be something like 50% before age 20? In that case, our current problems are exactly what we would expect. Today, there is almost no excess mortality for males. Controlling births is not a solution, because when a population adopts a policy like this, surplus males from neighbouring populations would move in. Ul…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 02:05 PM
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What about: free abortions and no child support for single mothers with sons? Dad only gets a say if he marries the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 01:45 PM
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Existence can be sad for many reasons. Men who come to this mindset have learned it. It can't be that uncommon. The point I was making was positive: that trust can be earned through attitude/honesty/etc, even in cases where the n-count would be disqualifying at first. "RP" is about learning to recognize the inner simp and controlling him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 01:11 PM
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I have a suspicion that porn is actually helping men to get a more honest understanding of women. The Blue Pill mentality is difficult to shake, even after watching years of porn. For some men, amateur/revenge porn is the only window into female private nature. Seeing "your angel" casually offer herself up to some stranger should wake up most guys. I think ... Without porn, blue pills would increase and female nature would go under radar again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:37 PM
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Kind of like this: every new encounter incurs a cost, depending on both the frequency and volume. The cost is then discounted over time. The exact details are different for all guys. Some are more picky than others. Nothing is ever black and white. There are no guarantees and it is never "over". Mistrust towards women is the default. I think the best bet for women is to be completely open and honest, because it shows growth and ability to be vulnerable which can build trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:10 PM
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Whether "AWALT" or not is meaningless. All human beings are potentially good/bad. Circumstances and situations transform people into angels/monsters/whores/rapists. If you don't believe this, you've been sheltered. It seems whoring is just a more entropic state of womanhood. If there is no process forcing a woman to uphold her standards, that's where she ends up. Similarly for men. Part of the "Blue Pill" problem is that these men train women to take them for granted. The key is that the woman n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 10:57 AM
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Every time a woman agrees to have sex with a man, she reaffirms his worth as a man. Feel free to argue endlessly about intentions, feelings, and whether it is logical or meaningful. It is still an important part of the biological drive for men to have sex, and it is fundamental to male self-worth. Men know that these women are responsible for boosting the self-worth of her circle of "chads", for free. SpyPuts is spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 10:22 AM
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