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Also, if your wife said anything to me based only on her own personal experience of femenists and used it to relate to all femenists or femenism as whole I would say she a made a group attribution error and is therefore biased.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 06:49 AM
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You are back peddling. You absolutely generalized feminists and we're not speaking about the feminism as system of beliefs. Its fine to criticize feminism as a ssytem of beliefs but to assume all self proclaimed femenist believe the same thing is not true. Heres your own words tho showing how you generalized feminists and not the femenist movement. "Unfortunately this is the very thing that makes feminists impossible to discuss anything with." "Feminists on the other hand base most of their subj…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 06:39 AM
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Its clear you hold the opinion generalizing isn't dangerous. I do. I have evidence to assert this. If you have evidence that shows the contrary I will analyze it. If you do not, then I would say my opinion is more factually based. Entirely subjective, but the facts that dictate it are not. I believe in facts, not feelings. You can also propose an argument under assumptions in order to make in objective. For example, assuming the men's rights subreddit goal is to spread factually based informatio…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 06:14 AM
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http://www.butte.edu/departments/cas/tipsheets/thinking/claims.html Seriously. Read this. It will probably help you with your understanding.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 05:27 AM
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You are wrong. Factually and choose to right it off that it is my opinion. If it wasn't baseless you could prove it but you can't. If you can't defend yourself with facts like stats or other pieces of valuable information you have no base other than your opinion which means nothing. I however feel this conversation can go no further until you gain a better understanding of subjectivism and objectivism. I hope you do. It will help this cause. This might help you link
/r/MensRights07/12/17 05:16 AM
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Feminists on the other hand base most of their subjective views based on lies. This is a baseless claim Secondly I don't think you read anything I wrote. if something is subjective it is always 100% deniable bc unprovable Really is this what I said? Go check again Also, I see you have access to Google but maybe try and understand the word a little deeper than the definition Google hands you. Use your thinking cap and think, if something is based on personal feelings, tastes or options, is it alw…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 05:02 AM
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"It isn't just me" Generalizing, extrapolating, conjecture. Stick to facts man for real. You claim thing to be "objectively wrong" to be believed in, it's not ojectively wrong to believe something wrong. It just means you have misinformation or are ignorant or whatever the reason but it's not objectively wrong by any means.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 04:45 AM
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If views are subjective they can't be proven. That's just how subjectivity works man. You can't say it doesn't just becaue you want to. Anything that is subjective is not any degree of true. It can't be by definition. Look up what subjective means, seriously. I don't think you know. If something is subjective it is always 100% deniable and unprovable. Things that are objective are undeniable and are proven. You have a twisted view on things and until it's straightend out, you will continue to th…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 04:13 AM
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Who said dismissing any argument? You admitted my argument was valid so how was it "bad." You dismiss things I said because you didn't agree with the point it was trying to prove, not because it was flawed. You do not believe "undeniable" facts because the things you claim to be deniable absolutely are. You believe what you want and not what is true.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 04:00 AM
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Okay, I'll pretend then when you say fact you don't mean it, when you say undeniable you mean deniable, when you say all feminists you mean radical feminists, and if I'm wrong it's okay because I understand your message in the end, or at least I think I do.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 03:17 AM
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it doesn't prove that differing subjective experiences based on pre agreed on biases change what the actual truth is Right. Subjectivity has no affect on the truth. If I think that my football team is the best it doesn't mean it in actuality. This is because what is "the best" Feminists are for the rights men is objectively true. There are more than 2 self proclaimed feminists in the world who would agree with all of our points in regards to men rights. To deny that would be objectively wrong. B…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 03:03 AM
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Language and definitions are the only way we can have a consensus on what we're talking about. It eliminates subjectivity by putting things in a perspective. If you disagree with a definition challenge it or use another word. I agree men are given a bad rap, I never understood societal pressures for men to do certain things and be treated in different ways. But we need to show this with facts and stats otherwise its all just conjecture.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 01:25 AM
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All I need is to find one single person who identifies as a feminist and does not believe one of those things to disprove you. Statistically speaking that is very easy to do. You're coin flip example is also irrelevant and flawed, first because the point wasn't to show that the results can be reversed based on a set premise but rather that experice is subjective. You cannot go back in time and change the outcome of that came, forever that game will have the result it did and the experiences rela…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 01:15 AM
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I will concede that the post makes a valid point that feminists can be hypocrites. All humans can be gulity of this however. Therefore its irrelevant to point out one case like this. Its almost fear mongering. Its like when Trump tweeted the videos of the Muslim beating up a disabled person. The person wasn't even a Muslim. Post likes that do nothing but create division. It can generalize a group of people with no basis for it.
/r/MensRights07/12/17 12:50 AM
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Experiences are subjective when a person attempts to understand their experience in relation to themselves. For example, 2 people go to a football game, both watch the same game and have the same experience, however, person 1s team lost so they thought the game sucked, person 2 however had a great time. Its how one interprets experience. Its the perception of experience. Just becaue I have only met feminsts who are total radicals, it does not mean all femenists are. It is flawed to extrapolate u…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 12:38 AM
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"it's more correct to say that both groups want "equal or better" treatment for their respective genders" "They perceive their gender having it worse than the other, and not particularly concerned with areas in which they have it better." "It's vogue to point out misogyny among MRAs, while taboo to point out misandry among feminists." "You yourself deny that misandry among feminists affects mainstream feminism, but I can give you plenty of examples showing that's not the case" "Simultaneously, y…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 12:25 AM
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You're right. Guilt is an important emotion. It motivates people to change. And it can be used tactically. In this case, the feminist who wrote on the prostate cancer stuff is horrible for doing so. She was not being guilted however, she was being shown facts and felt gulited. When titling the post "like feminist don't guilt people" it distracts from the message that men's rights are being ignored. If the post was titled "feminst unjustly vandalizes prostate cancer information" then everything w…
/r/MensRights07/12/17 12:14 AM
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I'm sorry, but without backing up most of the things you say I can't believe them at face value.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:55 PM
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You are conflating 2 things. Your experience is different than your experiences. The way you experience things are subjective, the things you experience are not.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:44 PM
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I also said defending. Unless you believe guilting people is acceptable, which I don't and was the basis of my argument, to defend something you disagree with is hypocritical. The post basically said "like feminist haven't guilted people either," this is accepting the fact that it was attempting to guilt people, and using the fact that feminist have done it in the past as justification for using.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:26 PM
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I'm not saying I dismiss things people say. In fact, stories of people experience can create a fire undersomes ass they needed to get them to stand up. However, Experience is feeling based, unless your experience is supported with objective information it's nothing other than your perspective on your experience. While you are correct that it isn't going to change anytime soon, to base action on experience is a dangerous road to go down.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:14 PM
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Heres the mission statement of the femnist majority foundation. I agree with nearly all these points. Misandry is not exclusive to feminist so it should not be treated as such. Now, if you are referring to radical feminists, sure, I agree with you. Radical anything in my opinion is bad. But that is not the same as feminism and to equate the 2 is wrong. Feminist work for equal right of women, male rights advocates work for equal right of men. Both want equality through and through.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 11:04 PM
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What people don't like about the MRM is that it criticizes feminism, which feminists have trained people to think means attacking some. Meanwhile, feminists go attacking men 24/7 in indirect, "polite" ways. This is conjecture. Point out a double standard, that's fine, but when you imply that it's a tactic that men should utilize or trying to defend the tactic you discredit yourself.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 10:33 PM
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Unfortunately relying on experience can lead to biases. Fundamental attribution error and group attribution error are 2 examples of this. We need to remain as objective as possible when speaking of problems. If we do not then what we say can be broken down and disproved.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 10:27 PM
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I agree with you on all fronts here. Everything you said is right. But where I think things need to change is the way in which these messages are presented. As unfortunate as it may be the men's rights movement is not taken seriously and for reasons that are understandable. When the top post on the subreddit is basically saying 2 wrongs make a right (referring to the post "Because femenists never guilt men") it devalues all point made following that. The men's rights message isn't clear and it n…
/r/MensRights06/12/17 10:19 PM
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This is conjecture. What is your basis for this? Where does your information come from?
/r/MensRights06/12/17 08:52 PM
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Alright, let me try to explain a little better. So this example it states that suicide prevention programs focus on women more than men. This however isn't true, it just so happens that the techniques used are more affective in women. To imply that women are systematically chosen over men is wrong in my opinion. Edit: I am also not trying to imply that there are not systematic problems. There definitely are.
/r/MensRights06/12/17 07:19 PM
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I agree with many points made for men's rights, but at times it seems that certain points are just conjecture. For example, it states that men are more likely to die from suicide and says it's because of the focus for women on this issue. The Wikipedia article it cites (which come on, at least use the reference Wikipedia used for their info) explains that it's caused by men typically using more lethal means when attempting suicide. It then says women are 4x more likely to attempt suicide. The on…
/r/MensRights06/12/17 06:46 PM
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