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There's no such thing as an arbiter or decision maker of reasonable standards. Anybody can comment on whether a set of standards are reasonable. And women need to start listening when men say women aren't paying attention to this stuff. We're the ones on the other side of the table watching you not put enough thought into it. You want to be judged by who you stayed with and who you left, but we're the ones noticing who you rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:00 AM
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I'm just going to gender swap the main claim. This article argues from dating app data that many women’s utility to “free sex” from high value men has been so increased that solving the fertility crisis by increasing pair-bonding rates seems unfeasible. A viable means for aiding the survival of low-fertility nations could be to provide men with the economic and social resources necessary for them to maintain long-term partners. Such policies would likely exacerbate female marginalization, but ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:43 PM
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There are a lot of horrible things that can happen to a person that don't involve violence. And it is absurd and sexist to assume women are incapable of such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:06 PM
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It's because of segregation and the decline of small talk. A large number of women isolate themselves from men socially, and so their interactions with men outside of work are usually negative because they otherwise avoid men. So this isolation becomes self-reinforcing over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:19 PM
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You don't know why it's a problem when a large group of people hates another large group of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:09 PM
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From my understanding this doesn't hold up in research. Increasing child support reduces births. Generally men who go this route are already taking on a lot of risk by marrying someone with much less money and this balances out the woman's risk of bearing a child. I'm not sure what the optimum for alimony and child support is to plan for this, but from my understanding it's already above the optimum, at least in the US, which is why prenups have become so common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:10 PM
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My advice? Get off the apps. It'll be much harder to meet women to date, but the quality will go way up. Even when it's the same woman they will treat you different simply for being in person. They'll see you as a person and not as a profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:51 AM
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His story is typical of online dating for men. And the reactions from these commenters are the typical dismissive reaction to men simply describing their experience. 1 in 5 first dates landing 2nd dates and half of 2nd dates landing 3rd dates is pretty typical. And most women don't recognize how abusive to men this is. The only weird part of OP's story is that only 1 in 5 3rd dates went to a 4th date. Women are effectively asking men to plan and pay for a dozen dates before any woman will take t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:48 AM
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If you look through male celebrities in their 40s and 50s, most of them are dating women much younger than them. Leo gets criticized because he keeps dating women in their 20s for only a few years at a time. He also aged rapidly. People don't seem to care very much if you're attractive enough. It's when you're less attractive that people start saying something about the age gap. It's really a criticism of unattractive men dating hot women disguised as an age gap critique. Strangely none of these…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:10 PM
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To be clear, by global standards most of the most popular destinations aren't living in poverty. They're generally middle income; similar to the US in the 70s and 80s. They're just rich men by local standards. It's not much different from rich men in the US using wealth to date younger women. It's just happening at a global scale now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:14 PM
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Hypergamy as a key attraction driver is quite regularly disputed by blue pillers. And I've never run into a mainstream article criticizing women for hypergamy. At best they might mention homogamy or heterogamy, but this is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:05 AM
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Well reading through these replies from the women on here... No I'd say they're not going to have a positive impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:56 AM
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There's actually a dl hughley episode where the racist's main line at the end is not to take offense at his comments about black people because "I know you're one of the good ones."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:08 AM
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I could quibble about your examples, but I think this is mostly right. However it is absolutely a gendered trait. Men are more object oriented and women are more people oriented, and this can be shown at all life stages even in infancy. Men like engineering, women like health care, men work in manufacturing, women work in services, men like video games, women like restaurants, etc, etc. Objective evaluation of a problem is object oriented. Nerd stuff. And it's way more common among men than wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:50 AM
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He didn't criticize the source's validity; he criticized your interpretation. He pointed to the exact same source and indicated other data from said source that refuted your claims. I'm not sure if you're just unable to understand his argument or if you're deliberately ignoring it, but I'm leaning toward the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:38 AM
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Since I knew that wasn't true. I just went ahead and googled it. Here you go, a bunch of reports from single women from 2013. A lot of women reported entering relationships without going on a single date. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/1i6p6z/single_women_of_reddit_on_average_how_many_first/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:43 PM
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The dating behaviors you describe are fairly new. 15 years ago women didn't go on dozens of first dates before choosing a man. What you're describing are outcomes; not causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:52 PM
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Modern social media reduces in-person interaction which reduces friendships which reduces intergender friendships which reduces romantic relationships which makes casual relationships relatively more common. Women don't like casual relationships, so they just stop dating. This creates a supply imbalance which then creates an even larger price imbalance. Men have to pay a large upfront cost then to cover this price imbalance to get with a woman. Women then find they enjoy these advantages so they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:48 PM
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Yes and no. Yes these spaces are extreme, but I was driven to my views by my in-person interactions with women; repeated experiences with hypergamy and profiling. And this is true of most red pillers. I've long known to be careful with online information.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:08 PM
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Some alternatives to minimum standards are to look for shared similarity, open ended search approaches, active engagement with others, or unique traits (traits others don't talk about very often). It's sad that such alternatives have disappeared from modern discourse. When I was younger people used to make fun of women for having long checklists as being too closed minded. Now I just expect it. Minimum standards and checklists have become just thinly veiled hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:03 PM
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Problem 1:Metoo was originally about rape and that needs to be treated with extreme deference and respect. Metoo took so long because of how difficult it is for anyone to come forward after a traumatic experience and how hard it is to do anything if someone doesn't come forward. So serial rapists can slowly impact a large number of people even though they represent a small fraction of the population. The after effects of metoo are problematic because women tried to overgeneralize which led to wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:49 PM
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Some examples: It was official policy to not include men on the gender policy council during the Biden administration which trump then abolished. Throughout the 2010s it was standard practice in the media to censor any data which was negative for men. So if men did worse than women on a stat they didn't report on it. When they finally started talking about it in the 2020s, the media would talk about what men were doing wrong while they talked about women's stats in terms of what men were doing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:22 PM
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This is such a softball question and yet only 1 of the 4 blue pill replies so far have managed to get through the whole comment without blaming men. They really can't help themselves, can they?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:50 PM
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There's really 3 kinds of passport bros: the sex tourists, the old men using money to date single moms, and the ones seeking more typical relationships. I'd say judging the last one is just racism or sexism. The first one, depends on the country, but sex tourism in the Philippines and Thailand at least has led to a lot of human trafficking and is frequently exploitative. Why not just go to Vegas instead? Middle one is more mixed. The people blindly criticizing it clearly don't care about the sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:31 PM
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It's a little scary to me that the top upvoted comment is so blatantly racist. Different women from different countries have a variety of reasons for dating a foreigner. Money is only top of the list in the poorest countries. Also money ranks highly with western women too. It's not as black and white as just money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:14 PM
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It's due to: Higher women's job opprtunities, longer child development due to cultural expectations of child raising, higher housing costs, less religion, less shared communication, more social media, and dating apps. Feminism is convincing people to ignore the problems created by these trends and to ignore any issues for men. That's why feminists never talk about the spousal income gap or the working hours gap even though they'll go on at length about the gender wage gap and the household care …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:17 PM
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The various steps in a relationship rapidly diminish in importance the farther along you go. If Sydney Sweeney wanted to date you, would you really be worried about whether she wanted a deep connection centered on emotional intelligence? Ditto for women with Henry Cavill. Shallow relationship goals are reached sooner so are often prioritized. And modern society emphasizes such surface level interactions. A deep connection is great but it will not happen if the man isn't seen as attractive and a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:40 AM
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The most popular forms of PUA heavily emphasize honesty and being upfront about your intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:30 AM
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It's higher testosterone. About 30% of men and 10% of women seek casual sex at any given point. 20% of men and 20% of women are seeking serious relationships. The rest are not looking. So if you're interested in casual sex then there's about 3 times as many men as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:46 AM
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Most rich women are trophy wives. The next biggest group is inheritance. They're only rare because rich men are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:06 AM
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Famous figures popular among red pillers? Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson. Less famous? Mark Manson or Warren Farrell. Richard Reeves is red pill if you read between the lines. He has openly stated men are far behind women right now. The problem is mainstream media views the manosphere in terms of its most controversial figures and ignores the less controversial ones. And those less controversial ones avoid the red pill label to avoid being discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:37 PM
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Be a more active participant instead of relying on gotchas and tests and date fewer men, one at a time, for longer. Serious men seek reciprocation and actively reciprocating makes manipulation way more difficult because the woman is asserting more control over the dating experience. When women wait for men to "do the right thing" they invite manipulation. Similarly dating for longer means you're making fewer judgements based on shallow aspects and more judgements based on relationship value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:14 AM
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I'll try to remind the next woman at the gym who wants to use the machine I'm on of that. But have you ever approached someone in public in the day time? Someone you were interested in? Maybe try it so you can see what I mean before handing out tips?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:37 AM
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The second guy was a jerk. Unfortunately the men with time on their hands to walk around the streets are some of the worst. But the first guy? He tried to approach you, got nervous about what to say, and fumbled. If that's the standard for harassment then every woman who has ever approached me sexually harassed me. Because they all checked me out beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:11 PM
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Yes. And I am polite when I reject gay men. It's common courtesy to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:06 PM
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Compared to r/feminism twoxxchromosomes or nearly every other identity forum? Yeah they're on the moderate side of identity politics subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:17 AM
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If you ban all the witches, the witch savior community will contain a lot of witches. It doesn't mean the witch saviors are wrong for saying we shouldn't burn the witches. The red pill community is extreme because of the way it is treated. Moderate men's issue platforms like men's lib and left wing male advocates are treated exactly the same as r/theredpill The original red pill documentary was quite moderate; didn't stop people from trying to ban it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:09 PM
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Typical dating today: 20% of first dates lead to a second date. 40% of second dates lead to a relationship. Even if they spend $20 on the first date and $50 on the second date that's still $365 on dates, plus whatever they spent on the third and fourth, maybe another $200, or around $565 playing minimum prices. More realistic is probably around $1200 or so for one relationship. Of course guys are furious about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:38 PM
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Learning how to talk to and view women, especially physically attractive women, solely as friends, is an important step in learning how to date romantically, and it has benefits in its own right. Of course learning how to approach and pursue hookups is also an important step, so to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:14 AM
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This only works if you're okay with a large attractiveness gap; very few people are. Cheap coffee dates are only effective with a large attractiveness gap or if both of you are relatively well off (high status types who prefer simple dates). Most women will go on a coffee date but they won't be interested enough for a second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:56 AM
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Thanks. Yeah that data shows men spending 1.38 more hours per day working. So it's pretty even; about what I expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 10:04 PM
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You left off that men spent more time at work than the wife for that extra income. I don't know where you're getting 1.21 hours per day from. That seems high. Mostly I've seen 4 hours per week for the woman and 3 hours per week at work for the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:14 PM
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You're being unfair to women. Yes, gender segregation is a problem, but men harassing women is a bigger problem. If more public spaces encouraged healthy interaction more women would join those spaces. "Safe spaces for desire" already exist; they're called singles events. They're not fun because an event revolving solely around romantic relationships offers no opportunity for healthy socialization. And those events are made up mostly of women. We don't need more singles events for men to shotgun…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:10 AM
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There are entire subreddits of women dedicated to coming up with ways to abuse this power. Some of them are pretty famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:33 PM
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I used to think this way in the past and avoided certain relationships because of it. As I've gotten older my age range has widened not because I want a bigger age gap, but because I've realized older millennial women are basically impossible in relationships. So when I was younger I ended up with a lot of women 4-6 years older than me and now that I'm older I'm looking at women almost solely 5-12 years younger than me. Even if they're not 4b, there's too much of it in that culture to put up wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:00 PM
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Household chores and child rearing take about 15-20 hours a week. It is a part time job. It is not half the work. It also doesn't require building a career through personal sacrifice in your early and mid 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:04 PM
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Male breadwinner households have lower divorce rates than similar income households. And similar income households have lower divorce rates than female breadwinner households. It's just the opposite. Becoming a house husband has a really, really high probability of ruining a man's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:45 PM
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Yeah women go on second dates with about 20% of their first dates. And personally I've found there's little correlation between whether they liked me and I liked them. So a guy has to plan 20 dates to go on 10 dates to get 1 second date. All based off of six photos, a few text messages, and about 20 minutes of conversation (the time it takes the average person to decide during the date). It's really annoying and women don't even acknowledge how incredibly objectifying the process is. This is why…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:45 PM
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Yes being hyper extraverted increases your chances a lot, but that's just adding another dimension that men are expected to improve on. It doesn't change the underlying math that there's way more expectations on men than women in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:47 PM
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Men have an easier time securing casual sex too. On Hinge I found the number of women who will hookup with me is about the same as the number who will offer me a second date. This is despite me making it very clear I was not seeking a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:49 PM
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Men want golden retriever girlfriends but don't know it? Yeah probably. There is a lot of culture telling men what they want doesn't matter or is sexist. The question: "why do you want X" was always very difficult for me which I believe is common among logical types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:55 AM
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Major changes I'd make: more clear communication about what I want on the first date with less flirting, more time in chess spaces and less time in artsy spaces, and starting on long-term commitment younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:28 PM
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HVM is actually an FDS term. It didn't originate from red pill at all. But the spousal income gap is a bit over 30%. It's bigger than the gender wage gap and way bigger than the adjusted gender wage gap. So yes income hypergamy is alive and well. The other kinds of hypergamy are also quite real. It gets even worse if we adjust for marriage rates and include single people. The wealthy are getting married. Low income people aren't marrying because low income women are chasing high income men. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:14 PM
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