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Okay cool, looks like we're both on the same page about fault not mattering to the discussion, and that our only disagreement is whether a fetus has a right to life over a mother's right to not have to give birth. From your point of view, sentience doesn't matter at all (correct me if I'm wrong). You believe a human life has a right to life. Luckily, you don't believe that to be universally true. You understand the exceptions. Coma patient, self-defense, right-to-die, etc. So you believe a human…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:49 AM
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There's nothing morally compromising to "own up to." The only way something would be morally compromising would be if it negatively affected someone. An abortion does not do that. The fetus hasn't been negatively affected; it doesn't exist. It'd exist if you waited 18 to 25 weeks, maybe. Nobody's rights are being violated cause it doesn't have them. Nobody feels pain or suffering because it literally cannot. The reason fault still doesn't matter is that fault doesn't give a fetus sentience. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 11:43 PM
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The glass is broken and it's my fault. Doesn't mean the glass is sentient or I necessarily owe anyone anything. You got it. "Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information." (link) You're right, it's not clear when a fetus develops sentience. What is clear is that it is definitely not before 18 weeks. Necrophiliac…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:08 AM
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Nothing that happened prior to being pregnant is relevant. Your "knowingly drinking tainted water" example supports this, so thank you for that. If you truly believe fault is relevant, it means you want women to face some kind of consequence for their actions. In this case the consequence for having sex is being forced to be pregnant for 9 months of your life. Fault would imply the embryo is owed something. But it's not because it cannot see, hear, taste, feel, know, or experience anything. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:48 AM
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You're trying inject "fault" into the conversation. Which is awesome because it isn't relevant at all to a person's right to their own body over that of a non-sentient organism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:38 PM
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You're trying to eliminate nuance again. It'd be nice if life weren't nuanced, but it is. Terminating a pregnancy in the first trimester is like cutting a flower from its stem, you've "destroyed life" but the flower doesn't feel anything. It literally cannot. There is no "it" to register stimuli.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:30 PM
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It's always funny seeing red pill dudes having deranged arguments with themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:23 AM
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Does a non-sentient organism have more of a right to your body than you do? No. Great question
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:18 AM
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But they can if they want to cause they have a right to their own bodies. It works for both ends of the equation. Pretty awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:55 PM
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Luckily most people's brains come equipped with the ability to understand nuance though, so most people can comprehend the fact that "human life" doesn't automatically mean "sentient, feeling being"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:52 PM
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It's your body the entire time. No one has to be pregnant. That's truly the bottom line
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:38 PM
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Well the great news is that you don't need allegories. You don't need any brain teasers or thought experiments. You only need to imagine what it'd be like to a) be pregnant and b) not want to be pregnant anymore. And the super awesome thing is that it's completely up to you what happens to your body. No need for any mental gymnastics. Just gotta realize that people are the owners of their own bodies. Hope that helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:16 AM
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Studies show women are more hygienic and more cleanly than men. Don't let anecdotal evidence and the higher standards we hold women to for cleanliness/hygiene fool you. Because if I was using anecdotal evidence too, I'd say that I've been in some unkempt female spaces, but they've never come anywhere near the kind of "I feel like my health is deteriorating just standing here" levels from certain male spaces I've been in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 09:59 PM
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Women are more likely to initiate divorces (70% of all divorces are initiated by women). So if men are about 1% more likely to divorce than women when their partner is ill, they have significantly increased their divorce initiation rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 04:57 AM
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Right, because if someone has insanely high unreasonable standards that becomes apparent either a) in the dating phase, or b) very early on in the relationship, and then you cut your ties with that person. And on top of that, it's far more common for the opposite to happen anyway, where one person has super low standards (sometimes disgustingly low) and the other person has to put up with it. I know which of the two extremes I'd rather pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 01:26 AM
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Okay good to know
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 04:35 AM
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To use Covid as an example, each person has a different "covid consciousness threshold." Some people I know were fine with seeing people willy nilly during peak covid, some people wanted no contact at all, some people were only okay with seeing people with masks outside, some were okay with masks inside. Everyone had a different threshold. It was not, and I mean definitely not, on the onus of the person with the higher threshold to lower their standards to meet those of a lower threshold. It's 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 04:34 AM
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What's inherent in a man that makes them a luxury item? Do you believe that women aren't inherently prizes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 04:27 AM
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Right okay, so what makes him the reward and not you? It seems like you're a much greater asset if you're providing sex, companionship, money, cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc., while he's only providing the first two. I'm trying to figure out what makes him a reward here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 03:38 AM
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The 2009 study is flawed because they don't ask who intiates divorce Yeah they should really factor in all the people on their death beds initiating divorces. In your head, how could that possibly change the results? "There was, however, a greater than 6-fold increase in risk [of divorce] after diagnosis when the affected spouse was the woman" How do you think that could account for a 6-fold increase?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 03:34 AM
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Okay cool
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 03:13 AM
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I'm not a salesman. I wasn't pitching it to you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:45 AM
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Then how the fuck did all these ugly ass dudes get their genes passed on
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:44 AM
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There's a lot of different takes from RedPillers. Some say love doesn't exist, that they're not looking to date their best friend, that women should be viewed as employees, that women are only good for sex. I even heard in this comment section that men are capable of love but women aren't. I'm hoping to understand what RedPillers think in general about love with this post. To me it does not seem like a lot of them are using the sub's teachings to find a best friend who they value as equals and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:41 AM
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When women were married off to men and didn't have a say?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:36 AM
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Well bud, the reason most straight men date/marry women varies. Ideally, you're looking for someone to share your life with. Someone who will add to your life in potentially financial, physical, and/or emotional ways. Maybe someone who will challenge you to be a better person, try new things, understand yourself better. Someone who you'd like to raise children with. This person ideally has mostly similar values to you, and is someone you feel more comfortable talking with than anyone else in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:16 AM
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Right, if you're seeing relationships based on tangibles, then that's your M.O. and no one's trying to convince you to date women. And if you can't find someone who's intangibles are enough to get you to date them, then don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:11 AM
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I have enough friends of my own. Given this context I've given above, what does a woman bring for me in a relationship? You want me to answer that? If you don't have a reason to date women then don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 12:37 AM
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a woman just has to bring sex, looks and maybe do some chores Awesome, this seems like a pretty good list for explaining how you view women. You're telling me that's all they bring to the table but men still manage to love them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 12:33 AM
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youre saying men leave their wives because they don't love them and women leave thier husband because they do love them I'm saying men are more likely to leave their wives when they're sick than women are, and that women are able to love easier than men and therefore more likely to get into marriages with men who are worse for them. After they realize that, they leave. according to your story it isn't even common... Yeah, thankfully most people don't leave a sick spouse. The point is that men do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 11:06 PM
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If you don't take staying by someone's side as an indicator of love then those articles won't help you see what I'm saying. Also, the articles don't say that it's because these men are all the breadwinners, in fact the Guardian article is the only one that mentions that and talks about how households where women are the breadwinners is rising and getting closer and closer to 50%. Men are straight up leaving their wives. Not going back to work because they're the breadwinner. You're making it see…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:38 PM
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It's true unfortunately. Men are more likely to leave a partner with a life threatening illness than women are. (Don't want to spam you with links but here are a couple if you were interested). It's pretty sad stuff. Also in terms of divorces, men generally benefit from marriages more than women do and men are generally worse investments as partners, so it makes sense that women initiate divorces more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:22 PM
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Also why are you asking red pill men? There aren’t any here anymore. Wait what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:03 PM
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Would the fact that men are more likely to leave a sick partner than women help convince you that women can love? If you already believe men are capable of it, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:02 PM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:59 PM
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because they are emotionally dependent There it is, that little part right there is what people call "love." I'm not saying love isn't a byproduct of evolution, it definitely is. But something isn't "not real" just because it's biologically programmed in us. I wouldn't argue that anger isn't real because it's actually just our body's evolutionary response to a perceived threat. That's what anger is. Love is our body's response to emotional (and in the case of romantic love, physical) connection.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:58 PM
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Your problem is that you believe this sub is indicative of real life and a window into how real relationships work. I'm not a RedPiller myself (I'm anti-RedPill), I definitely agree that the people on here are not your average Joes and that they have a skewed idea of how the world works. I'm trying to get those people to come back to reality if I can. Trying to start simple with their basic opinions on love. The ones who reply with "it doesn't exist" are pretty clearly too far gone imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:38 PM
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It's a nice way to put it, though i can stay on the bedside of my mother, my friend, my brother or my sister. Right, I was talking about love with my example as opposed to romantic love, which I define as love + physical intimacy. Glad we seem to be pretty much on the same page here. I think what we might disagree on is what "women's nature" is and to what extent the ways you've found works in expressing love to your wife translates to the rest of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:33 PM
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It's hard to define obviously, but I'd say as a litmus test, it's: Someone sticking by your bedside for years while you slowly die, even though (from an evolutionary/natural selection stand point) they have nothing to gain from staying. And just as a quick side note I use this example because men are more likely to leave a sick partner than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:09 PM
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So what does a man do? Besides sex and companionship (which you also provide). It sounds like he's getting a much better deal than you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:03 PM
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I think it has to do how women communicate Wait I think you're onto something here. Women nagging, being passive aggressive, getting angry about things that are all in their head... It's like you've rolled every Boomer Humor comic into one reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:56 PM
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So if it's just a little bit it should be easy for men to do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:50 PM
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Nah, it wouldn't be misogyny to say that women are less strong than men on average. Because that's a scientifically backed fact. It would be misogyny to assume that women somehow all discuss the same way, which is backed by what I'm assuming is a very damaged and un-self aware brain that's using stereotypes to help him incorrectly identify the sex of the person he's arguing with online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:38 PM
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I didn't say anything in contempt definitions are multi-faceted, and as you could probably tell I was focusing on the prejudice portion of what misogyny is defined as. It's still very funny that you're claiming there's no misogyny in "guessing someone's a woman based on how they have a discussion." It's even funnier that you strongly believe I'm a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:25 PM
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I mean does he have a job? Does your mom have a job? What would you do if your mom didn't give you an allowance? How would the bills be paid then? He gives me sex and companionship. Yeah, and you're giving the same to him. So why do you have to do all the cooking, cleaning, bill paying, child rearing, etc? What is he bringing to the relationship that you are not
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:20 PM
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I guess they have to offer women a better deal then! Yeah you're getting it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:18 PM
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misogyny: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women prejudice: an assumption or an opinion about someone simply based on that person's membership to a particular group
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:16 PM
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And do you have a full time job? Or is it part time? Also, you pay 100% of the bills? I thought you were only supposed to help? What does the person you're married to do that benefits you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:14 PM
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But a happiness expert has now suggested that it’s men, rather than women, who benefit most from walking down the aisle. “Evidence suggests that marriage is better for men, not just in terms of happiness but also in terms of health,” happiness expert, Professor Paul Dolan, Professor of Behavioural Science at the London School of Economics told Bloomberg. “There is data to suggest that some women are better off single in terms of health and happiness.” https://www.yahoo.com/now/expert-says-marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:12 PM
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It's not misogynism ​ you're discussing things like a woman with hurt feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:08 PM
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What man wants to be in a relationship with a post waller who has been banged by other guys. Are you serious? Lolololol. That woman is for the streets bud. Good luck finding someone to marry who hasn't had casual sex. Maybe if you're religious it'll be easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:04 PM
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This was a pretty insane read
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:00 PM
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I totally agree. RedPillers tend to forget this and collapse casual sex and dating into the same category. A lot of times it seems like they don't understand people want to marry those they've formed an emotional connection with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:51 PM
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Romance is a nice bonus. But it's not a way to get out of working and paying bills. Who's trying to get out of working and paying the bills? The unemployment rate between men and women are nearly the same at this point, with men a little more likely to be unemployed than women in some years. No one's using romance to get out of paying the bills I used to work part time and run the home part time. I'm sure there are other ways to make it work. I think I just need to ask straight up. Are you expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:49 PM
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Yeah RPers tend to have a pretty skewed idea of what the "average woman" even looks like, let alone acts like. You're totally right. Hot men have better things to do than "get delivered to the door" of average looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:42 PM
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Ideally for a woman to be in a relationship with a man, he needs to be assertive, demonstrate leadership qualities and can protect and provide. ​ For just hooking up, they only need to be hot. I think this is a good way of putting it. What I'm trying to get across here is that RedPillers saying women are "settling for Billy Beta" is only consistently accurate in the looks department, and that it doesn't matter like they think it does. Because you're right, women are looking for different things …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:36 PM
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Maybe it didn't come across right, but I'm on the same side as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:25 PM
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Hey there! Not sure if "Skippy" is referring to me, the person who made the post, but just to clarify, the title was made to make fun of RedPillers who are always claiming that women have sex with chads and then settle for "billy beta" as if they can't love someone for more than their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:21 PM
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Yeah, hopefully this came across but my post title was making fun of RedPillers complaining about the genderswapped version of this all the time. They don't seem to grasp that people can develop connections with people who aren't model hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:17 PM
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I'll be honest, you're right. It's super hard for me to get a man to marry me. But maybe that's because I'm a straight man :(
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:12 PM
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Well, I'm glad we got to your true colors with this comment. I think earlier you were talking about the RedPill not being misogynistic? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:05 AM
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There is nothing romantic about a relationship. What about a romantic one When a woman lives with you she needs to be paying her share of the bills. That's how the world works. I don't believe in free rides. Right, so if she's paying half the bills from a full time job, where is she gonna find the time to do the "cooking, cleaning, laundry, child rearing, sex etc." Are you doing half this stuff too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:04 AM
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I think the lengths of our replies aren't sustainable at this point. I appreciate what you've said here and I've read it all (even if I disagree with most of it). But instead of making a reply to each bit I disagree with I'll just ask you if you have a solution to this perceived problem. Do you think women should refuse sex from "Chads" in their 20s to prevent disappointment and dead bedrooms when they're married? Do you think hot women should give regular guys a chance so both sexes can be disa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:01 AM
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Yeah, men all want to marry the hot woman too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:50 AM
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I'm glad you're still trying to figure that out. Look man, we got into a really weird point in this discussion where we're not really getting any work done. You have very specific views about women's psychology that look like misogynistic pseudo-science to me. At this point I don't even know what our main point of contention was.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:49 AM
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Definitely. If only they knew that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:45 AM
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I agree :) Hoping RPers come to this realization.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:44 AM
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I saw it on a YouTube video where some Zoomer Oh shit dude this is just like when kids were eating tide pods back in the day. Every single kid was doing it. Every single one. But relationships are business to me. I'm not letting feels interfere with that I'm not letting "feels" interact with my romantic relationships. Got it. When a woman lives alone does someone else pay her bills? When you hire a cleaner do you also pay her rent? I have no idea how to even approach what you're attempting to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:41 AM
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It explains why they they make some men wait Vetting because she's looking for a potential long term partner. and some men get it the same night. Their hot and she's looking for casual sex. I just explained it. No redpill needed. Guys that have got to acceptance don't hold any grudges against women. They just accept them for what they are and use it for their own benefit If they're on the RedPill then they haven't gotten to the acceptance stage of not generalizing and not being pessimistic about…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:38 AM
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The latest scam by women is to sell "friendship" as in "you pay my way and I'll be your friend in return" that's obviously a bad deal. The latest scam huh? Did it just come out? Yeah I don't know if you understand how friendship works, or if you even think men are clamoring to get women who are advertising their "friendship" as a pay to win service, but relationships are formed via emotional and physical connections. You need certain things done: cooking, cleaning, laundry, child rearing, sex, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:24 AM
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Wasn't saying anything about their grammar (if that's what you mean by the Russian thing). Just their mindset. Seeing women as employees is hilariously misguided and a great way to self-sabotage your chances of a long and happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:19 AM
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Sorry, this post was making fun of those beta alpha sigma people. Most RedPillers on here are constantly complaining about women having sex with "chads" in their 20s and then settling for "betas" for marriage when men literally do the same thing. And yeah, I too don't believe people are always trying to pull a fast one while dating. The people on here are hella pessimistic and that's what's holding them back
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:15 AM
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The idea that men aren't pining for 10s is hilarious. Also, yeah, they won't approach them because they aren't as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:16 AM
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The Red Pill shouts at men that women are having sex with other dudes and use visceral language to describe it and put down other men in a pretty well-treaded way that lines up with your run of the mill toxic masculinity (the kind that negatively affects men and women). Telling men they have to try harder to get the same results as more attractive dudes for casual sex isn't news and places the importance on sex over long term fulfilling relationships. This is just pickup artistry with misogyny b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:15 AM
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Toward the end of your life take a look at the sentence you wrote here. It'll explain a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:48 AM
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I was telling this to someone else. Essentially, sex in a relationship setup is different from sex in a casual sex setup. One is casual, it requires less effort. One is for determining a life partner, that one requires more effort. Ideally, a man is courting a woman to access her emotionally and physically. That's important. He wants her time and commitment, her loyalty, her friendship, her body too yes, but her emotional intimacy as well. If men are complaining that long term relationships are …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:46 AM
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I could've worded that better. Most men aren't going to try and marry the hottest woman of all time if they aren't the hottest man of all time. They would if they could (and I'm sure they'd love it), but people tend to date in their attractiveness level and get insecure when significantly less attractive than their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:39 AM
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Expecting the guy to wait and pay for dinner dates for something that you were previously fine doing for free I see what's wrong here. You have to understand that sex in a relationship setup is different from sex in a casual sex setup. So if you're arguing that women will tolerate less effort in casual sex than they would in a relationship then great, that's how casual sex works. One is for people who want a quick fuck. The other is for people who are trying to determine if the person they're th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:36 AM
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Link em
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:16 AM
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Well it's a good thing that women on average are less unfaithful than men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:14 AM
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A classic case of self-destructive pessimism in a made up world where people aren't trying to marry their best friend and only think in terms of who's chad and who's beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:11 AM
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Sorry, what I'm saying is that there's no difference in men wanting "alpha" equivalent qualities in a casual hookup and a mix of "alpha" and "beta" equivalent qualities in a long term relationship. There's no gendered difference in what you're talking about. A lot of guys have it in their head that only Beta matters. The problem is for them. You mentioned alpha qualities were things like being physically attractive and being confident. So what's your advice? Be more confident? Go to the gym? Any…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:56 PM
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I talked about this in my first post. Women ideally want both alpha and beta in a partner. Okay man so what's the problem then. Yeah, the ideal man would be really hot (alpha) and also really loyal (beta...??). Just like the ideal woman would somehow both be really hot and also really loyal. In your post it looks like you're saying women are more aroused by alpha qualities and more attracted to beta qualities, but ideally there would be a mix of both. So what's the problem? We agree that alphas …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:44 PM
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The billy beta guy is only good enough for when its time to share responsibilities but his wife would likely not have chosen him for fun no string attached sex. He has to pay for dates and wait for sex the others gut freely and easily. Seeing sex as transactional is harmful to both parties and says nothing about the quality of a relationship. Also, even in this hypothetical relationship if the woman did not have casual sex with hotter guys in her past, she'd still make her husband do the same "w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:36 PM
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Okay so it's physical good looks and high confidence. So like I said, women lust after attractive partners of their past. Nothing gender specific here. High confidence? Yeah, women like men with more confidence, can they not find someone with that quality as a husband? Also, confidence isn't the reason you love someone. It's attractive, just like being hot is, but it's not what makes someone love another person. I think you are severely overestimating how unfaithful women are, especially compare…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:14 PM
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This is like the boomer humor shit that people make fun of.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:04 PM
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Ohhh okay, it sounds like you're just describing nostalgia. When people are young and full of life they tend to experience life a lot more passionately, and their romantic partners at the time are usually doing the same (not to mention younger men are more attractive than older men, same for women/people in general). So yeah, people long for past partners. If you're lucky you find someone you love so much that you don't dwell on the past too much. It sounds to me, if you're not basing alphas on …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:03 PM
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I agree that average women would have an easier time getting casual sex from the "hot guy" than average men would getting casual sex from the "hot woman," but it doesn't change the fact that both want to fuck hot people but end up marrying people who are less hot. I guess my question would be if you think calling men who women settle for "billy betas" is in any way a useful concept and somehow different than a woman a man settles for. Not trying to assume your position on this, just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:57 PM
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The love for alpha is not the same as love for beta The *lust* for the alpha is not the same as the *lust* for the beta. You're mistaking the idea that literally anyone of either sex constantly wants to fuck the hottest members of the opposite sex but ultimately settles for LTRs with people closer to their attractiveness level with the notion that women exclusively are somehow hardwired to love "alphas" more than their uh... life partners? Does a man love the most attractive woman he's hooked up…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:19 PM
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I'm sorry about how you see the world Crusty_Jizzsock. :/ It's gotta be hard not believing that people can get married to people they love.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:55 PM
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Why do you women only make arguments in the form of strawmen?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:53 PM
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I'm on it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:46 PM
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Yeah, and it's still funny seeing you type it out. Your worldview is skewed in a pretty textbook misogynistic way. Not much I can do for you here. I try to focus on the users on this sub who aren't lost causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:10 PM
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I already know you're bad at analogies at this point but maybe we can work through this one together. A dog, who is legally owned and taken care of by a human, doesn't have a career choice. A woman, who chooses to work in, let's say healthcare, instead of a job that is incredibly dangerous and historically has little female representation, is (I hope I haven't lost you yet) different. And yeah, a much smarter choice than dying in a coal mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 08:58 PM
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The discussion was about women not dating men. My "random" list was about things that affect women if they're dating a man. Your "random" list was about how men do all the important jobs. I guess that's my "cause reasons" Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily be proud of "women are dumb" being your argument for why women are a better investment as partners. Great anecdotes about women being emotional/hysterical though, those were bangers bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 08:52 PM
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Dude, it's so hard for me to take in the writings of someone who is obviously too far gone, but I'll try to make it clear what overall you're doing incorrectly in this discussion and maybe you could apply it to the rest of your life. Just like most discussions I've had with people on the RedPill side of the spectrum, you've derailed the conversation entirely (and out of nowhere), specifically so you can talk about... certain male dominated fields? Like, I was responding to your comment pretty di…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 08:36 PM
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Close. They have a ton of really bad options. At a certain level of unattractiveness (and even for women who are attractive), letting men into their lives creates negative value. At the very least, it's more likely to create negative value than a man letting a woman into his life (besides the dreaded "she takes all my money" stereotype). Men are more likely to cheat, more likely to have narcissistic personality disorder, more likely to sexually take advantage of their partners, less hygienic, le…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 04:47 PM
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I don't feel like slowing down the discussion to debate words, but if you need me to use the term "cognitive dissonance" to describe what you're doing instead of hypocrisy then I will. ​ Is it hypocritical to actively dislike a woman and still have sex with her? If not, why would it be hypocritical to actively dislike a woman and watch her have sex with someone else? No it's not hypocritical, unless you dislike her because she's having sex with you or because she has sex with people on camera. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 08:13 PM
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Since I'm anti-porn, I'm pretty down for this. Worse for the consumer doesn't really make sense because the allure is to pay for exclusive access. They have free access to thousands of women's bodies online so OnlyFans is supplying a different type of fantasy for them. Exclusivity is part of it. Worse for the companies would be great because companies are pretty scummy (though obviously OnlyFans takes 20% which is fucking bonkers high). So companies are still winning in this case like they alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:32 AM
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Hey Jim nice to see you again. Just wondering if you think women taking sexual photos of themselves and getting direct payment for it is a better, worse, or neutral business model in terms of how porn is otherwise profited off of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 10:17 PM
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There's no hypocrisy here. The only hypocrisy is bashing sex workers and consuming there products at the same time. Yeah I think that second sentence is what this post is about though. So there is hypocrisy here, from people defending those two beliefs/actions at the same time. But yeah you can't have it both ways and I think we agree so
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 10:03 PM
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I think Inlo's eating meat example is essentially how I feel about it. I know it's wrong to eat meat, I still do it, but the biggest thing I want to emphasize is that I eat meat less now that I've come to terms with my belief that it's wrong. Just like how I consume porn less now that I believe it's wrong. I haven't stopped completely but it's been minimized. Ideally I would stop entirely. That said, I don't bash sex workers. I don't like their choice of profession anymore than I like gun lobbyi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 10:02 PM
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Actually, you know what, I did not read the thread all the way to the end, and now that I have, I appreciate your willingness to have an open mind and change your views. I just literally have not seen anyone on this sub do that before so I thought it was safe to assume I could reply to your comment believing you still didn't think it was hypocritical. My b.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:51 PM
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So are sex workers promiscuous women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:48 PM
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You say you "don't think it's hypocritical" and then "I don't know if it's hypocritical" So I've given you, based on the sentence I quote, my evidence for why it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:46 PM
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If you're talking about freaking fail compilations then what you're saying doesn't make any sense. In half those videos the people are trying to succeed and end up getting hurt, hoping that their potential success will offset the risk of whatever they're doing. The porn industry attempts to make sexual content and the consumer wants to consume sexual content. With "watching people doing dangerous and stupid things" you are not feeding into a system. Unless of course you're watching people hurt t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:42 PM
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yet I still watch it because I can Huh? I can watch Wipeout (2008) seasons 1 through 7 but that doesn't mean I will. Sorry let me just copy and paste what you said because I really don't think I've ever read a more succinct example of the hypocrisy on this subject: I look down on sex work and think it lowers women’s value, yet I still watch it because I can. Like, plug in any amount of analogies you want into that sentence and it falls apart just as miraculously as it does now. "I look down on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:37 PM
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I think what would make you a hypocrite would be then to say it's okay for you to watch porn. ​ I disagree. Sex workers are engaging in degrading behavior, and also it's pleasant to watch. Nah dude, Inlo94 hit the nail on the head with this and you failed. It's fine to admit porn is bad and that you still watch it sometimes. Like how I can say McDonald's is bad for marketing cheap, tasty, horribly unhealthy food (mostly geared at children) but I still eat it sometimes. I try not to, it's not goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:25 PM
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The reason this analogy falls apart is because if you don't like capitalism but live in a capitalist society, you are forced to participate in it. No one's forcing anybody to watch porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:10 PM
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By who? Twitter?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:13 AM
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Damn I did not know ugly women don't get bullied
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:54 AM
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And that's exactly the problem I have with feminism: The notion that ALL men are ONLY privileged and are always the oppressors, never the oppressed. Given what I was responding to, the quote above, I hope you can see that what I said (that no feminist has ever argued this) is still true. A feminist who does not think a man can be oppressed just doesn't really make sense. Feminists routinely acknowledge problems like male suicide and the expectation to keep their emotions to themselves. It might …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:53 AM
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The combined effect is the middle one. Figure 1 shows both the effects of Narcissism and Extraversion combined and the effects when separately controlled from the other. So in the individual narcissism chunk, you're seeing extraversion being controlled for. You're not seeing anything but extraversion being controlled for, so things like Physical Attractiveness is still an element. And as the study shows, narcissism is heavily positively correlated with Physical Attractiveness. They make a separa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:32 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:09 AM
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yo so I asked what these were (men's advantages in society) not about women's disadvantages lol This is a great point to clarify, as I needed to learn this as well. Men's advantages in this case come from the fact that they do not have women's disadvantages. That in itself is the advantage. You might (like I did) feel like men's experience are more akin to "baseline," how everyone should be treated normally. So normal things don't feel like privilege. But if a mechanic charges a woman 200 dollar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:06 PM
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Okay it looks like we're getting nowhere with this attraction thing. I'm asserting that attractiveness for men and women is dependent on the general attractiveness of their peers. That it's contextual. I also believe that men's standards are lower for women's attractiveness, which means they see women as more attractive and thus it's even less likely that average men will end up with below average women. Also, every study you can find on the internet says that people end up with those in their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:51 PM
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Line up a room full of women, strip them of anything that can make them appear more attractive, and assign them a number 1 to 10 based on looks. Now let them put on make up, which boosts their score. Are the women who were rated 10's now 11's? This is what I'm trying to get across. ​ I don't know any man that doesn't shower once a day clean his teeth and is in general hygienic and presentable I'm glad you don't have a lot of unhygienic guys in your immediate circle. But here's what the stats say…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:04 PM
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I don't think I can explain all of the disadvantages women have in society in a single comment. There's a lot of literature and research done about it from people smarter than me. All I can ask, as a little thought experiment, is for you to keep in mind that women couldn't even open their own bank accounts until 50 years ago and to ask yourself if you're optimistic enough to believe that it only takes 50 years for a gender to be respected equally after that. I mean, there is a significant portio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:54 PM
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Having more people to sort through is more work, it takes more energy. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather have more options as a man, it just isn't the insanely good advantage that you think it is. Women have to find out if a man who she thinks is high value is just faking it to attain sex from her. Women, again, are more at risk when going on a date with a man. I'm sure you'd rather have more options as a man, because you're not really at physical risk (and statistically speaking) are more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:27 PM
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Yeah, people are entitled. Everyone wants an LTR with someone more attractive than them, that's just human nature. Resenting your partner as the years go by for not being more attractive is not exclusive to women though. Men tend to focus more on their partner's physical appearance than women do for long term relationships. Either way it evens out, and I truly believe that any advantages women might have in the dating world is more than compensated for with the insane amount of advantages men ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:39 PM
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Given that most women wear make up it evens out in the long run. Also, men can wear it too and see legitimate results. Men can wear nice clothes and fix their hair as well. -Men can become stronger (both men and women can increase their attractiveness by getting fit, but getting stronger caps off for women in terms of increasing their attractiveness much earlier) -Men can become more confident -Men can become funnier -Men can make more money -Men can make their lives more interesting These facto…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:26 PM
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Finding an LTR isn't easier, women are just the ones who are getting approached. It means you have more men to sort through (essentially, having more options isn't an advantage if most of those options are bad), a lot of men will lie about wanting an LTR for sex. A lot of men have horrible hygiene, especially compared to women. Women are in more physical danger when on a date compared to men. ​ women will instantly gain a point or 2 just by wearing make up and gain access to men above her Most w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:18 PM
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There are more men on Tinder, men are hornier, women want casual sex less than men, women are at more risk while participating in casual sex than men, most men are bad at sex and don't know how/won't bother to make her orgasm. If I was a woman I wouldn't care about getting 148 messages from crusty guys who are all swiping right on everyone trying to get casual sex from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:12 PM
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In terms of who people end up in a long term relationship with, it tends to even out based on attractiveness. So whereas those upper average women might be able to attain casual sex from top tier men and upper average men would find it harder to attain casual sex from top tier women, when it comes to actual long term relationships, people aren't on average dating up or down
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:08 PM
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"A physically weaker gender is mentally weaker" Hey sorry about that, I don't believe in the quote above at all, I was saying that humans erroneously believe that bigger = smarter and more fit for leadership positions. I was trying to explain why women get demeaned/dismissed more. I'll change my comment to make it more clear, my b
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:02 PM
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Why do people on here keep saying that a 5/10 guy will likely end up with a below 5/10 girl. Humans date people (long term dating) who are at similar levels of attractiveness. I mean, there are just too many studies that show men and women at similar levels of education, class, and attractiveness date each other. https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/kyrqm0/its_a_scientific_fact_that_hypergamy_does_not/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 06:58 PM
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we found that it is not narcissism alone (i.e. the unique variance of narcissism) but rather the overlapping variance between narcissism and extraversion that affects mate choices and STR ratings (while extraversion was more important for LTR ratings). To conclude, narcissism positively affected mate appeal for relationships involving sexual contact in both sexes. The nature of this relationship, however, seemed to involve other variables in both cases Figure 1 is controlling for extraversion an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 06:47 PM
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Haha thanks, I just gotta take it step by step
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:32 AM
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I think unattractive men who don't do anything to increase their value might be lower on the hierarchy than unattractive women who don't do anything to increase their value, but not by much. And again, they can and should do things to increase their value, and have more avenues than women to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:29 AM
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Easier in what way? Getting laid whenever they want? Getting Tinder matches? When it comes to long term relationships, men have more avenues to make themselves more appealing than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:24 AM
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Yeah I'll answer this one. They have it better because they have more avenues to increase their appeal as a mate in long term relationships than unattractive women. It also says this in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:13 AM
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That is still an advantage that ugly women would have over men. Yeah, I'm not arguing about that. No Blue Piller has ever argued that women being able to acquire sex if they really want to isn't technically an advantage. It's just a really shitty one given that they have lower sex drives, more to risk participating in casual sex, and lower odds of being sexually satisfied during it. Not to mention what the man she'd be having sex with would look like. "Inherent value" is a strange term because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:12 AM
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Again, "further analyses indicated that these associations were due to the shared variance among narcissism and extraversion" If you find different results between two people of the same extraversion but different narcissism, you're, if anything, witnessing the human brain taking shortcuts. As this article points out, "narcissists are perceived not only as physically attractive but also as charming." So in this example (of speed dating mind you) people perceived men with narcissistic traits as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:03 AM
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What makes you think it's a troll post? The poster literally defends his views in the comments of that very post about that very sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:51 AM
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Yeah, I respond above. I essentially say that having the ability to acquire sex is not only the main, visible advantage that women have over men in the dating world that all Red Pillers point to, it's not even a very attractive option for them. Being able to acquire bad sex isn't a game changer. Especially for a gender that on average has a lower sex drive/affinity for casual sex. I agree about more sympathy for the ugly (regardless of gender). I've stopped tolerating people around me making jok…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:46 AM
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You're 100% right. I'm just trying to ease them into the idea. Wish me luck
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:35 AM
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I'd be interested to know why you think it's worse for men in the upper average tier than women given that we seem to agree on everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:33 AM
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The question does not assume you can't change your level. The question is centered around how men can change their level and that it's an advantage they have. Most low level men don't even brush their teeth twice a day and shower. It's not even that hard to level up. It's interesting what you're saying in terms of who's more likely to have a worse life. It feels a little defeatist though, that the men who aren't leveling up just simply don't have the will?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:29 AM
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Yeah I mean why wouldn't a guy 1 or 2 points lower happily take her? You're just talking about an unattractive woman and an even more unattractive man
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:24 AM
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That doesn't disagree with my statement. It's saying a woman born a 5 won't be able to marry a high value man who "isn't a beta" whereas an unattractive man can do things to improve his sexual appeal. It's not the only way for women to be happy in life. Just like getting a beautiful woman isn't the only way for men to be happy in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:23 AM
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This is, and I wanna be clear here, is a very obvious advantage that a woman has. She can attain, even if it's from a really shitty source, sex nearly whenever she wants. As a result, this fact has absolutely destroyed the Red Pill's ability to think critically, as they now believe that this advantage alone gives women the absolute edge in the dating world. They don't look at this fact under any broader context, and they don't see how it could get any better than being able to acquire (again, po…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:19 AM
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Tinder is still not a good metric for the exact same reasons. There are more men on Tinder. Men are more likely to engage in, or attempt to attain casual sex. Also, your numbers on virginity are different than anything I could find. Here are mine. 27 percent of 15- to 24-year-old men have never had any form of sexual contact (oral, vaginal, or anal) with another person, up from 22 percent in 2002. Meanwhile, 29 percent of females in that age bracket have never had sex, also up from 22 percent at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:08 AM
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Which part of it do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 06:09 AM
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Even at it's base level, getting more matches isn't a good metric when more men are on Tinder than women. If the same amount of men and women were on Tinder, women would still get more matches because yes, men's standards for having sex with someone are lower (and evidence shows that their sex drives are higher on average than women's). The RedPill post I quoted wasn't about how unattractive men will get more Tinder matches than unattractive women. It was about how men have more methods at their…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 06:08 AM
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This is my new favorite comment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:59 AM
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Men's horniness is not proof that unattractive women have it better than unattractive men. Red Pillers in general have to stop using "gets more matches" as their basis for what makes a gender more privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:54 AM
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Being a man in a relationship following attractive women on Instagram (who they don't personally know) in the name of "just looking" is bad form. I'd personally be embarrassed if I was a woman whose boyfriend was following a bunch of Instagram models. If they're just attractive friends of his, that's another story. But yeah, jealousy sucks. Women get hit on more than men do and men get insecure. If men were getting hit on just as much as women then women would be insecure. This doesn't say much …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:04 AM
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Thank you!! This is the motivation I need to make more posts lol Good luck out there
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:44 AM
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Just out of curiosity, are you referring to face masks in Covid terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:09 AM
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"We" is the members of society. What did Mother Nature do that was misogynistic? I'm assuming we'll have some overlap so I'll go first and you fill in what I don't have: -Men on average are physically taller -Men on average have more muscle mass -Men don't have to give birth I personally believe that social misogyny (the stuff we can fix) stems from the factors I've just listed. Ever since humans lived in caves, we've treated those who were smaller and less strong with less respect. That leads t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:08 AM
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This is some pretty good Joker dialogue
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:59 AM
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You do realize that women are more emotional than men???? Oh shoot?? I did not??? Let me know how far this mindset gets you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:58 AM
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That's so nice of you to say! This is only my second post on here and I'm already exhausted. Not expecting to change any extremists' minds but maybe a couple Red Pillers closer to the middle of the spectrum will start to question the toxic parts of the subreddit and get out
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:56 AM
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Okay, it looks like you've been assuming I've been a woman this whole time. I'll just clear that up and let you know I'm a man. Women by nature are emotional while men by nature are less emotional. Women have lower frame than men. If that's your genuine belief then there's no need for us to discuss anything further. You're too far gone
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:31 AM
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Did you write the misogynistic parts? Cause if not you're in the clear. Unfortunately, some of your cohorts have, and it reflects poorly on the community as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:29 AM
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Yeah, and we have to work to make our society less misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:27 AM
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Haha I still don't know what's crappy about my definition. And I don't know why you're bringing up this death row dude. There is no other way to squint your eyes and interpret someone who says that men have stronger psychological frames than women. That's toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:25 AM
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It's using common sense advice as part of its core doctrine and then branching out into misogyny in its messaging/discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:01 AM
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Well I guess we can just call it here. Because I straight up have never heard this opinion before and it's not why any of us started this discussion. Interesting perspective though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:58 AM
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You're kinda going crazy over here man. You asked me where in the post they claim men have a stronger mental frame than women, so I copy and pasted the quote. The guy used spiders as an example. So you agree with me on this. Thank you. Not really. Like I said, the whole post is undermined by the fact that it's predicated on a book's sales. A book where people have kinky sex and not, importantly, a book about a woman getting raped. So now, you are equating aversion and hatred? Bud, let me ask you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:55 AM
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Generally, claiming that men have a stronger mental frame than women is when you get into unambiguously sexist/misogynistic territory. I mean, I'll just ask what you think about this quote from one of the most upvoted RedPill posts: "Women are not looking for perfection. They’re only looking for a man who has a stronger psychological frame than they do. And fortunately for you, you already have a naturally stronger frame than women. An example of this is how women will freak out over spiders or …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:42 AM
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On weak frames, please point out where it says women have weaker frames No problem: "Women are not looking for perfection. They’re only looking for a man who has a stronger psychological frame than they do. And fortunately for you, you already have a naturally stronger frame than women. An example of this is how women will freak out over spiders or mice, jump up and down, scream, and so on, whereas a man will calmly deal with the situation without it breaking his frame." The narcissism one talks…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:25 AM
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Let's read it together: it is particularly the outgoing and charming face of narcissism (which may be considered phenomenologically similar to extraversion) that makes narcissism a favourable trait in the courtship domain I'd love to know how this is "not saying what I think it does." But anyway. As well as extraversion as the most robust Big Five correlate of narcissism I mean your source here is a gold mine. And from what I was able to parse out, supplemented by other sources about the Big Fiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:13 AM
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So would you rather be a poor woman than a middle class man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:53 AM
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I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not sure if you know that words can have synonyms. Our definitions even have the exact same last 3 words. And do you really think "hatred of, aversion to" is that different from "dislike of, contempt for"? Again, I'm not totally sure you know how words work. But uhhh, I guess I'm glad we have the same definition now? As for examples, I'd love to link some! -women all have weaker mental frames than men (which they "prove" by saying they all scream when they see a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:52 AM
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So I'm confused. Are you saying it's more favorable to be a poor person of any gender than a man of middle class status?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:18 AM
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Yeah, the wealthier women treated the less wealthy women poorly. I wanna know why you think women in general are more privileged than men in general. We agree that rich people bad
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:16 AM
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Back et al. (2010) found narcissists to display more outgoing, charming, and self-confident behaviour, which leads to increased popularity in zero-acquaintance situations . This underpins the notion that it is particularly the outgoing and charming face of narcissism (which may be considered phenomenologically similar to extraversion) that makes narcissism a favourable trait in the courtship domain. Hopefully this quote from the study you linked clears it up. Also I erroneously focused on control…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:14 AM
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Rich people suck, looks like we agree on that, which is good. But even in your Paying for the Party example, we're seeing a group of more privileged women (the wealthier UMC ones) tearing down less privileged women. So that's still a rich vs poor issue as opposed to men vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:51 AM
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I'm glad you were able to adopt the abundance mindset and that it's helped you. I don't think focusing on an individual is bad either, especially if you've figured out that they'd likely be a good fit for you, but it can also be more risky of course. In terms of stereotypes, The Red Pill tends to go beyond the (generally true) idea that "women find traditionally masculine traits attractive" and into misogyny territory. For the "frame" example, yes, a strong mental frame is attractive to women. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:48 AM
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Do you believe that blue pill beliefs are harmful?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:32 AM
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They liked the COMBINATION of attraction and narcissism. Yeah, looks like you're getting it. Extraversion without narcissism didn't account for the increased attraction. I'd love for you to point me to where they say this. And also I can't even imagine you believe in a world where increased extraversion wouldn't make someone more attractive. They also controlled for looks and the effect persisted. Again, because narcissism comes with extraversion, so controlling for looks doesn't matter. You'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:31 AM
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Is that why you're here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:19 AM
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Hey uhhh guy why do you think this debate subreddit exists
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:31 PM
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I mean, I'd be fine with a "to each their own" sentiment if these ideas only affected RedPillers. I definitely would not be here if it was just a subreddit full of people fucking up their own lives. Instead, it's a place where people encourage each other to manipulate and foster resentment towards women, which affects uhhhh women, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:29 PM
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This is great! I like your first one because they talk about the exact point I was trying to make. They found a link between the dark triad traits and the participants who were more attractive and extraverted. This is another case of mistaking attractive qualities (confidence, being good looking, being personable) with the negative qualities they might come packaged with. "Further analyses indicated that these associations were due to the shared variance among narcissism and extraversion in men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:22 PM
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And I'd say the opposite is being pessimistic and becoming resentful, paranoid, and bitter towards women. I can't speak for your experience, all I can say is that I've had success befriending, working with, and dating women without the RedPill and without assuming malintent from an entire gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:04 PM
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Yeah, no problem. "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women" The one on Google pretty much sums it up. And as for specific examples, I mean there's a lot on that subreddit, but to name a few from the top posts of all time, they believe: -women all have weaker mental frames than men (which they "prove" by saying they all scream when they see a spider) -you should lie to and manipulate women to attain sex -you should develop/feign narcissistic tendencies to attract women -you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:00 PM
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lol wut? How is any of that misogyny... None of it, because as I said, I stripped it of misogyny and stereotypes and boiled it down to the common knowledge at its center. men and women like these people more than the very confident types I agree with you here! I think most people prefer those who are kind and empathetic. Of course, confidence, as a separate trait, is also an attractive feature, and is sought out in the dating world. Women are hoping to find confident and nice men. Do you mean th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:51 PM
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Okay it so looks like this is where we disagree at the core. You're more pessimistic about women than I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:42 PM
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This is a great comment, and I think the best insight into why people seek out TheRedPill. There aren't a lot of non-toxic spaces for men to talk about dating and improving themselves. Other than Pickup artists and the RedPill, where can you go? Some subreddits like "MaleFashionAdvice" and "BodyBuilding" and I guess "Dating" might help but none of them really do what RedPill does. It'd be nice if there was a non-toxic, non misogynistic version of the Red Pill where men got to talk about dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:39 PM
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So beyond The Red Pill teaching men to unlearn the lies they've been told growing up (which again, they don't need TRP to realize society cares about your looks), what else do they need it for? I mostly just want your specific opinion on this. Do you think the manipulation tactics they promote are good? Both in the sense that they're ethical, effective, and/or will also lead to long term happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:22 PM
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So I guess I'm assuming you think most women are following Sandbergian (or Sandberg adjacent) advice/tactics?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:18 PM
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I'm basing this off my experience browsing the subreddit daily. There are certainly posts that aren't centered around whining about women. They're just rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:16 PM
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It's less that they use "mean words" and more that they preach some good common sense ideas in addition to fostering misogyny and resentment with their bad ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:14 PM
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Buddy, I wish I'd spent less time of my life learning what Red Pillers believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:12 PM
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Perfect, so the narcissism is where TRP branches off from the "be confident" advice of other self-improvement communities and gets into toxicity. It's the part where they tell you that you should manipulate women to get what you want and "not care about what they feel" as you put it. Or, at least, project that you don't care what they feel. This I think is the central point around which we disagree. You believe that most women want to date men with some of these specific narcistic qualities, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:10 PM
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We're still not saying the same thing. I believe women can "see an attractive man and not realize he's an asshole because he's hiding it." So they're not actually seeing "bad behavior" they're actually seeing these guys on their best behavior. Assholes, in general and outside of movies, are not overtly assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:50 PM
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But like ask yourself what you're advocating. Are you saying we should tell children they're ugly? I mean, by no means do you have to tell them they're attractive. Saying "looks aren't everything" to someone who's ugly is maybe the best thing you can say to them. Telling them "looks are everything" would just put them in a defeatist mindset. As I've mentioned, people grow up not realizing just how important looks are, but it's again, not a RedPill specific revelation of any kind. I just still do…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:43 PM
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Yeah well those of us who aren't tall or facially attractive need to get our dicks wet too, your majesty. Uhh yeah, that's why I said change the stuff you can and accept what you can't. There's other items on that list. ​ Again, women aren't searching out bad behavior. Something they like, as I listed, was confidence. Assholes tend to have confidence. When they find out that the confidence is the result of the fact that they're an asshole (something they find out after he's dropped the façade), …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:31 PM
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That's great about those particular women on this subreddit who don't like the musclebound look. The cool thing about women is that they're not a monolith. I think you're forgetting that women get told that looks aren't everything as well. It's not said exclusively to young boys, and it can be damaging to both. Also, should you tell young children that their faces matter a lot and that because they're ugly they're gonna be treated worse? I mean, do you think telling a kid that they're ugly would…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:25 PM
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The basis for what women want in men is pretty straightforward, and you don't need TRP to figure it out: Be tall, facially attractive, well-dressed, wealthy, confident, well-groomed, funny. Now change the stuff you can and accept what you can't. Women don't fuck assholes because they're assholes. It's because they're good looking and it's easy for them to pretend they're not assholes for a day to acquire sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:17 PM
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Why would you want your goals and perspectives to align with resenting women and treating them as manipulatable objects? That's something that'll harm other people but also the individual (sans any short term gains they might get from it). As to the Sandberg thing, are you saying it's okay if both sides are doing it? Manipulation isn't the path to a happy relationship, or a happy life in general. It doesn't matter which gender's doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:11 PM
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I can semi-understand what you're saying here with the first point, men get told via media and entertainment that looks aren't everything and that you should just "be yourself" etc. (Though I've never heard people say women hate muscular guys). A lot of those movies are male wish fulfillment written by men where the ugly guy gets the hot girl. Feminists and non-feminists alike believe that type of messaging to be harmful (especially when it's mainly represented one way, hot girl ugly guy) But it…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:03 PM
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Thank you for the response. Do you feel like The Red Pill, in addition to what it's provided you, has given you any toxic or counter-productive views about women/dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:48 PM
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This isn't a debate subreddit about laws. You can perfectly legally resent women and treat them like things to be manipulated, but that's not a good way to approach self-improvement in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:42 PM
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Abundance and Frame, stripped of stereotypes and misogyny, are also common knowledge. Women (and people in general) will like you more if you have more confidence and are level-headed (what the RedPill calls "frame") Don't get hung up on particular women and understand that dating is a numbers game (what RedPill calls "abundance")
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:39 PM
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But even a lot of this, with the misogyny and stereotypes taken away, is common knowledge advice. Women (and people in general) will like you more if you have more confidence and are level-headed (what the RedPill calls "frame") Women (and people in general) like you more if they know other people like you. You've built up good will. (RedPill calls this "preselection"). "Dread" is a great example of the kind of shit you do not want to use if you're hoping for a healthy relationship. Though it to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:35 PM
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Every self-improvement community has the exact same foundational advice. The Red Pill just gives you reasons to resent/look down on women as an added bonus. I believe that people can erroneously lump the results from "x positive attribute" to "Y" being overall good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:16 PM
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I understand what you mean in terms of "if that's what finally gets them to be healthy then that's what they need." Unfortunately, it feels like a good chunk of these people are using uhhhh resentment against women to motivate them, which isn't a good foundation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:12 PM
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But again, when you break it down, even these aren't RedPill specific. Abundance mentality (correct me if I'm wrong) is about not getting hung up on specific women and casting a wider net (or at least, a more efficient one) because dating is in large part a numbers game. Now go to FemaleDatingStrategy, where they say the exact same thing. Don't get hung up on men, date multiple people at the same time, cut people out when their intentions don't match yours. Dating is a numbers game. The "Nature …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:05 PM
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What, referencing the top posts from the subreddit I'm making an argument against?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 07:59 PM
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My view is that the most improvement you'll see will come from the aspects of the RedPill where there's overlap with just about any other self-improvement community, communities where they don't focus the rest of their energy on complaining about women or discussing ways to actively manipulate the people they supposedly want to form intimate connections with. Take for example some scientology-esque religion where a big focus is self-improvement. Someone could see their lives getting better and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 07:46 PM
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But how would that not make them more insecure and worsen the issue you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 10:40 PM
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I don't know what I can really say here except that it'd be worth checking those numbers again. And if you don't want to check them again, feel free to send them my way, because I can't find what you're talking about anywhere. Women, on average, don't make as much as men, on average, doing the same job and same work. Google is a great example of an outlier, and the full story is they found that men in some jobs were getting underpaid. The reason for that? Google was trying to make up for the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 10:39 PM
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If these guys are insecure/have bad attitudes because they're unattractive, why would telling them they're unattractive make things better?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 10:16 PM
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I'm interested to know if you were just as upset that Trump decided to pick Mike Pence as his VP. I'm not saying you weren't, or that you like Trump, I just want to know if the fact that Trump similarly HAD to pick a white man stuck out to you as problematic in the same way Biden's pick was. Because obviously only white males were actually in the running. You seem to have some odd feelings about women in politics. It's strange that you say women rule the world when they're still vastly outnumber…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 04:50 PM
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Oh nice, you stopped reading at the part where I asked you to link me some evidence? Shame. It's been fun
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 07:10 PM
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Would you say politics is male media? What about the news? Guy, you're doing a lot of mental gymnastics just to refuse giving an inch on anything here, though I'm happy that you at least acknowledge that there's more male than female entertainment out there. It's okay to be wrong. It's okay to admit that you've dug yourself into a ridiculous hole just to try and not admit that ugly women are underrepresented compared to men. ​ And Jesus dude, for the love of god, I'm saying this as clearly as po…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 06:57 PM
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Because, ShiroSagisu, how the fuck can a piece of paper be disagreeable?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 06:26 PM
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Buddy, you and I need to have a little chat. At this point, I've debated so many people here who do this, I don't know if it's a tactic at this point or just actual evidence of incompetence. I'm not going to address the two arguments you made about movies and speech, the former is flat out wrong there are plenty of ugly girls in girl's series and movies. Both arguments are irrelevant. I wanna know if you can figure out where you went wrong here. Read the next sentence when you're done guessing. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 06:25 PM
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That's a good idea, thanks man. I wanna talk about the vice president thing. Obviously she was the first female vice president in the US. I think that in itself is a pretty good indicator, a cultural litmus test, that tells you who the second class citizens are in the United States. We just now got our first female vice president, not even our first female president yet. What does that imply, historically and culturally about America? One thing that it implies, that I think we can both agree on,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 08:36 AM
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Hey how's it going guy, so this study has been replicated on multiple occasions, it's even been done with no human influence, like giving employers/bosses options between hypothetical candidates with no face-to-face interaction. And no, start payment does not change things because, as I've mentioned, all factors have been accounted for. I don't know why you keep saying disagreeability. If all factors have been accounted for, it literally does not impact anything in any way. This whole conversati…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 06:10 AM
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I think the main problem here is that you've overestimated just how many women are attractive enough to use their bodies to "not have to work." The unemployment rate for women is 6.1%. Even if we assumed that all of those women are making a living from being attractive and mooching off men's money, that's only 6 percent. The unemployment rate for men is just under that. So this advantage that only women have isn't really as common as you think it is. In fact, it's incredibly rare. I don't disagr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 01:29 AM
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Hey, my b. The problem is that you made a claim regarding male college scholarships and then decided to put the onus on me to do research about it. But if you really would rather have me do it, yes, there are scholarships for men in underrepresented fields. A couple main ones for example are nursing and education. There are not, however, an equivalent amount of scholarships, ratio-wise, for men compared to women to make up for that underrepresentation. At face value this might seem like an unfai…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 01:19 AM
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Did you think you were typing this into Google? Check.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 12:21 AM
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Yeah, I guess if you were a very attractive woman who was insane enough to intentionally fake love for years to two separate men for the sole purpose of divorcing them for money, you could theoretically pull it off and collect a full pension between them. What's the point here? Seriously, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 12:20 AM
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Men are more likely to get promoted over equally qualified women: https://www.nber.org/digest/feb07/new-evidence-gender-differences-promotions-and-pay All factors are accounted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 12:18 AM
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Like what? Specifically what scholarships would you propose? See, I don't think you even know why scholarships for women exist, or even how they work. Most of them are for specific fields where women are underrepresented and historically have been shut out of. There are historical and cultural reasons they exist. Men should get scholarships why? Because women have just now started making up the majority of college students? And this seriously just happened. 2015 was the first year for there to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 12:15 AM
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I just looked up "who earns more money men or women" in google and got just about what you'd expect. Let me know if you disagree with every single one of those studies that show up and then we can get back to debating. In terms of interruptions: https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2017/07/07/men-interrupting-women But I guess just saying "nope" is good enough for you. Are we done?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 12:03 AM
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Good news! There is no evidence to support the claim that in general female college applicants have the edge over equally qualified male applicants! Of course, there are differences in specific majors, but the biggest difference they found was that colleges striving to keep a 50/50 gender split would sometimes bias their acceptances towards men or women depending on the previous year's gender makeup. Unfortunately, however, there is a lot of evidence that women get passed up for promotions over …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:58 PM
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So because, again, sex work is one of the few fields where women out earn men, attractive women have it better overall? And yeah, why would we get started on divorce court? What does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:58 PM
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Glad you brought that up, cause it's not relevant in any way. At every socioeconomic stratum, women make less than men. At every socioeconomic stratum, women are interrupted more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:55 PM
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Why are you still on the definition of option thing, bud. I already explained that "isn't an option" is a saying, and that it means "a bad option." You're addressing things that I literally just addressed in my last message. I'm gonna assume this is a troll at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:38 PM
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Ugghhhh I think you showed your hand when you cut off the last part of my sentence in that first quote. Because if you read the whole thing, you probably saw that I was saying that homeless women are more at risk than homeless men. Not that homeless men are not at risk. Also, I'm not sure if this is the result of a regional or cultural difference, but when I said "homelessness is not an option for women" it meant "homeless is such a bad option for women that it is essentially a death sentence." …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:13 PM
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Unattractive men want attention and marriage from attractive women, just like all men. Same goes with the genders swapped. ​ And would even marry them. Yeah, people tend to marry those in their attractiveness bracket.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:04 PM
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Not quite sure what the link was you put there, it looks like it's about poker. Being short as a man isn't a blessing. I'm saying you get more respect than short women when it comes to your thoughts and opinions being valued. Because men in general get that kind of respect more than women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:49 PM
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Show proof of what? Not sure what you're getting at here. Also, I don't think a woman who owned the company and was a millionaire would have the advantage in this hypothetical. But I'm not really sure I understand the hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:45 PM
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A bad option is better than a non-existent one. Being homeless is terrible. But homeless men aren't at risk of being abducted, killed, or forced into sex work at anywhere near the rates of homeless women. Which part of what I said is delusional, was it that? -Men have the terrible option of being homeless. -Women have the terrible option of being abducted, killed, or forced into sex work. I don't understand, why are we wasting time here? Homeless women are more vulnerable than homeless men. Is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:42 PM
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I don't know if you're a redpiller or not, but what you just said would directly contradict one of the central arguments that they make, which is that the top 80% of women compete for the top 20% of men. It's literally the least controversial thing to say attractive men have it the best. It's a core tenet of redpill. Why in the world would average women have it better than attractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:34 PM
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Hey guy so uhh Like I said, women are on average 5 inches shorter. Men prefer women who are shorter than them, which is good, because statistically they are likely to find one. Men can and do find taller women more attractive while also wanting a partner who is shorter than them. "Study after study has found that taller men and women are generally considered more attractive" https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150928-tall-vs-small-which-is-it-better-to-be
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:27 PM
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Right, I think our definitions of respect are probably a little off. The idea of respect you have might be the kind where men are more likely to sympathize with women and help them when they need it. That they're more likely to be polite to women and so forth. A lot of this comes from society's notion that women are helpless and need to be treated more carefully. This is different than the respect a man might gain. The kind where their ideas and opinions are more likely to be acknowledged and ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:16 PM
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Sorry, I worded the "dominating" bit poorly. I'll say below average men are more likely to be in higher positions of politics and media than below average women. I do think women are more likely to receive help and sympathy, but a lot of it comes from a place here society in general sees women as helpless. Sure, it would be nice to receive more help, but personally not at the expense of being seen as weak and dependent. I prefer the respect I get as a man. There's a trade off there, I just don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:08 PM
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No guy, you brought up attractiveness when you said "short women are cute." They can be cute. But study after study has shown that both taller men and women are seen as more attractive. In general women are about 5 inches shorter than men. That affects the amount of respect given to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:01 PM
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How many attractive homeless people are you seeing? You've lost sight of the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:58 PM
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Nice dude, women are able to make money off their bodies easier than men are. It's one of few occupations where that's the case. And even then, the amount of attractive women who can and have pulled off what you're describing is so slim it's insane. Have you taken a look at the monthly income stats for OnlyFans? Nearly all of the people on that platform make less than 100 dollars a month. For reference, that's less than a tenth of minimum wage
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:14 PM
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Which short women are cute? The cute ones? What about the non-cute ones? Society treats the big and strong better. It's simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:07 PM
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Okay, you and I are getting closer here. We're super close. This is the important part. Should we legislate respect? No. It's kind of like saying "should we legislate racism?" Obviously racism is bad, but you can't make it illegal to hold racist views. We agree on this. (At least, I hope.) So we can't legislate respect for short people and women, but we can acknowledge their significant disadvantages in society. Personally, I'd like people to treat women with more respect than they do now. I'd l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:04 PM
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So, I'm hoping you saw the part where I acknowledged men's issues. I don't know how many times this has to be said, but actual feminists, not the ones you've made up in your mind or have seen cherry picked on the internet, understand and never refute that men have gender specific problems that should be fixed. I'm a man, I want to live in a world where it's more socially acceptable to express my emotions. I can want that, and also acknowledge that women on average get less respect than men do wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:47 PM
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I don't know your personal idea of who ugly women are, but they are truly invisible in society. You don't see the same amount of ugly women in politics and in movies (and leadership positions in general) as you do ugly men. If you're listening to a speech, you're more likely to listen to and retain information when listening to an ugly man over an ugly woman. I don't know why people are always saying on here that ugly women pair up with average men. There's so much anecdotal bias when it comes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:35 PM
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Okay great, this is perfect. Significant data says men over a certain height, when controlled for other factors, get more promotions. We agree on this! Significant data also says that men, when controlled for other factors, get more promotions than women. So it doesn't matter if there's an attribution error on an individual level, I don't quite know why we're talking about that. What matters is that, I guess if you really want to talk about attribution error, short men are more likely to be righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:19 PM
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I read this a couple times and I still don't know what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:09 PM
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Nope this happens to men all the time. Especially short ones. Ugh, do you know who's even shorter than short men? Short women. It's crazy, I don't know if you heard. You're taking what I'm saying to mean "only women get interrupted or talked down to." That's like saying the "women are wonderful effect" isn't real because plenty of attractive men are seen as wonderful. Unattractive men have it worse than average or above average men. They get talked down to and interrupted. Now here's the wild pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:07 PM
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If you mean literal cannon fodder I agree (i.e. dying in wars, victims of crimes), but in terms of social power they have, it's greater than below average women for the reasons I listed. Again, their lives suck ass, just not as much as when you're below average and a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:00 PM
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What, "I was passed up for a promotion" vs "women won't date me"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 04:56 PM
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Dude, just look up "who gets more respect, men or women?" I don't know why you're even making this a point of contention. Why do I have to spend so much time explaining basic shit. It's slowing the discussion down. https://news.gallup.com/poll/247211/respect-women-hit-new-low-midterms.aspx https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171213130252.htm https://comphealth.com/resources/survey-report-female-physicians-receive-less-respect-and-more-harassment-than-their-male-counterparts/ https://ww…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 04:51 PM
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Wait are you saying women don't get whipped? Why would a short hard life of whipping be better than a long hard life of whipping and rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:43 AM
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number 3, beautiful and/or extroverted men. You put it under beautiful women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:40 AM
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Again, you're trying to make me believe that you saw the word "get" and thought I believed men are given positions of power "by virtue of their sex/gender" and nothing else. If that was sincerely enough to trip you up, that's really unfortunate for you. As for the "highly debatable" topic of men getting those positions more easily than equally qualified women (the argument you knew I was making from the start), look up "who gets promoted more, men or women" Look up "who's more likely to get hire…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:39 AM
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Again, this is so insane to me. Attractive men clearly have more privilege in life than attractive women do. Like, I know you disagree with the rest of my list, sure, but let's just stop here. It's confusing to me because I legitimately don't even think it's a redpill position (idk if you're redpill or not). Like the 80/20 rule, if you believe in that, benefits attractive men more than attractive women. Attractive men are taller and stronger on average than attractive women. We have dumb monkey …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:25 AM
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Okay great, now we have some things we can argue about. As I said, both genders have disadvantages in society. Though I don't know what "more likely to have to earn respect" is. Men automatically get more respect than women as a general rule. As for voting: "By the end of the 1820s, attitudes and state laws had shifted in favor of universal white male suffrage" (aka non land-owning whites getting to vote) And buddy, I never said non land-owning white men could vote right away. Rich people suck. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:14 AM
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Hey man. I wanna talk about what you've said here. I'm hoping that after this message you don't make the same mistake again. I'm not mad at you, I just need you to understand what you're doing. A lot of the problems people like me have with arguing against people like you is that you willfully misconstrue what's being said. It's to the point where you very clearly know what's being argued, and have chosen, since you don't know how to respond, to morph it into some insane argument nobody on the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:02 AM
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I don't assume all men lived like the powerful men who wrote history. I just know across all men they, on average, lived with more privilege than women. There were female serfs and slaves too. I'd rather not, and this is just a personal preference, be at the mercy of a male master as a female slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:50 PM
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Okay cool, it looks like you and I have some common ground. I'd still pick men in the 70's, since 1974 was the year the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed which "was supposed to prohibit credit discrimination on the basis of gender." Essentially, women were allowed to open bank accounts about 50 years ago. I'm not saying I'd choose my gender based on which one was legally allowed to open a bank account, I see it as more of a symptom of larger problems. If they weren't allowed to open a bank acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 06:29 AM
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NockerJoe, we've been debating homeless people all day
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:52 AM
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So for centuries women got to lay around and use sex as a bargaining chip while men got to... vote? Men see women as sex objects, so they created social (and economic) systems where women would perform the roles of the objects they saw them as. They were married off by their fathers, they were taught to be obedient. This system was created by our ancestors, and we're living in a fading version of it (thankfully). But the effects are still visible. The mirror ass pic example is, and I know you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:50 AM
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Men have a ton of problems specific to their gender. I'm not arguing against that. Though you might want to check that TIME study about women raping as often as men. The article even says that the wording you use decides what kind of outcome you get with your data. The problem is that the experiences of men and women are so different. There are so many different advantages and disadvantages to each side. A lot of times these debates just devolve into listing out each gender's problems. They're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:39 AM
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They make more money, they're taller and stronger, they're widely represented in politics, media, and nearly every occupational field, almost exclusively dominating the highest positions in said fields. They're less likely to be interrupted, talked down to, or dismissed in a conversation than women are. And yes, this is all below average (in terms of attractiveness) men being compared to below average women. They're definitely not as privileged as average or above average looking men, but below …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:23 AM
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Uhhh. Are you saying that women who are "gold diggers" are as bad as men who put women into sex slavery? I guess I'd rather be "exploited" for my resources in order to "spread my seed" than be a sex slave. Is that what you're asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:07 AM
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Let's try using more words than just delusional. Average men have more social mobility an economic power than average women. They're treated with more respect than women. They're more likely to be promoted, less likely to be talked down to, more likely to be in positions of power, less likely to be discriminated against in the work force, more likely to be represented in media and politics, less likely to be sexually harassed or assaulted. The list goes on. I don't think you actually believe I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:03 AM
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Holistically
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:48 AM
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I don't know, Jeff Bezos is pretty visible. But seriously, below average men (and men as a whole) have more social power than women. Why would below average women get treated better than their male counterpart?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:53 AM
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Right, it's more that you're less likely to be a victim of a violent crime when you're not immersed in a sphere where you're committing crimes (violent or not). Women don't have that luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:45 AM
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How about: Women are enslaved by men's sex drives. The fun thing about that sentence is that women literally are enslaved, still today, by men's sex drives. As in the actual definition of slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:43 AM
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Okay, sure. The whole thing. But, for the sake of clarity, I really think I should've worded this post in terms of who has more "privilege" instead of using the word "easier." Let me know if that changes how you're approaching this. Or maybe instead we can say: throughout history, at what point would it have been preferential to be a man or a woman, if given the choice? And my answer, across all history, would be to choose male.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:41 AM
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Uhh, that's like the least controversial thing about this ranking. Here, how would you feel about changing the word "easier" to "better"? Attractive men are the most privileged people on this planet. They're stronger and taller than attractive women. They get positions of power. People do what they say. I don't even think Redpillers would see this as a controversial take.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:34 AM
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Are you talking about me? I'm not a woman. It's pretty obvious though. Crack open a history textbook. Read it from the very beginning and tell me where exactly women's lives started getting easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:29 AM
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There's some good crime stats discussed elsewhere on Reddit, this link specifically: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/mp9b57/why_are_men_more_likely_to_be_victims_of_violent/ One of the things they discuss is that men are more likely to be both victims and perpetrators on an individual level. Whereas with sexual assault women are hardly ever both victims and perpetrators on an individual level. (i.e. a woman who sexually assaults people and also gets sexually assaulted herself)…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:27 AM
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Look, if I'm being completely honest I think most average men have more advantages/privilege overall in life than attractive women do, so my list isn't even accurate to what I believe, I was just trying to simplify it. But to answer your question, I think there are more attractive women than there are attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:23 AM
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You disagree that women have been historically disadvantaged? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:11 AM
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Yeah, men and women are different, and studies have found a lot of difference in brain activity. Which studies are you looking at? I'll show you the one I found: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270278/ The abstract talks about how men "outperform females on most measures of visuospatial abilities" and women "tend to excel in verbal abilities, with large differences between females and males found when assessments include writing samples." It goes on to say how essential each of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:10 AM
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Dude, what are you doing? You picked the worst quote of all time to support yourself. I don't know if you read it, but it says that we need racial and gender preferences to combat historical prejudice. So... there you go?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:40 AM
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Well that's great man because as I just pointed out, they do not get preferential treatment in the hiring process. Pretty quirky huh
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:01 AM
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What about the women are dumber effect? Or the more likely to be interrupted effect? Or the more likely to be talked down to effect? Or interrupted? Or passed on for a promotion effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:13 AM
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-I already talked about homelessness in this comment section, check it out. -The more likely to die one, just read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/mp9b57/why_are_men_more_likely_to_be_victims_of_violent/ -Someone already talked about suicide in this comment section too, but men are more likely to own means to more effectively end their lives than women are (by owning guns for example) -The workplace job deaths one is a result of men being more likely to apply for those j…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:06 AM
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Ugh Where did I say men can't be victims? Where did I say men can't be coerced into sex work? You're arguing things at someone who does not hold the opinion you're arguing against. Unless that is, you think homeless women and men are just as likely to be killed, coerced into sex, or abducted as the other. Which, would be pretty insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:52 PM
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No, what? Do you have stats that show what you're talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:48 PM
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No let's do it, let's name the male disadvantages. What have we got? -Harder to attain sex -Not taught to share feelings -Expected to make more money -Expected to be tough and strong These are all very real disadvantages. And there are more. But now let's look at just one female disadvantage: -Being 9 times more likely to get sexually assaulted There are literally so many disadvantages to being a woman, but for the sake of brevity, let's just stack this one up against the male ones. Which of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:45 PM
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Bro, I'm not saying you haven't met a single homeless woman. I'm saying that they're so much more likely to be killed, kidnapped, or coerced into sex work than homeless men, and that "mindsanitizer" has super duper misinterpreted the (likely) anecdotal data they've seen in their life to mean that it's easier for a woman to not become homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:42 PM
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What? They're doing worse on the same test and they get better grades? Bud, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:41 PM
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This is a really interesting topic, because the reason people think women get preferential treatment in STEM fields is because it's actually one of the few fields where it comes close to 50/50 in terms of picking a male and female applicant of equal value. So, the reason it looks like women have an unfair advantage is because they do! Compared to other fields they're applying in. What am I talking about? ​ "Thus these data give no support to the twin claims that weaker males are chosen over stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:35 PM
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Easier how? In a relative sense? I'm still going off your insane idea that any minor differences between men and women's math skills are because women's brains are bad (instead of, obviously, social conditioning and historical context). To understand what I'm saying, let's say there's a jumping contest, and for people who are 6feet tall the bar is 6feet and for people who are 5feet tall the bar is 5feet. Is that easier for the people who are 5feet? It'd certainly be easier for a 6footer to compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:20 PM
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Again, how is getting a dedicated space for a place you're underrepresented and treated worse in a privilege? And if you're gonna make the argument that they're given special privilege in other places besides those, then make that argument. You're giving me nothing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:05 PM
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I am a man, and it's pretty nice not being on average physically weaker and shorter than the people who would seemingly go to any means to have sex with me. I'm not saying we need to change a law to make men and women the same height and have the same muscle mass, but essentially every disadvantage women have is a result of being shorter and weaker, and our culture being built with that in mind. I wouldn't want to be spoken down to, treated like I'm dumb, seen as less authoritative, not given le…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:03 PM
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Uhhhh For women, homelessness is not an option. It's life or death. For men, it's not life or death. It's an option. A terrible one, but an option. Therefore, it's more likely that women would do every last thing that they could to prevent that from happening. That has nothing to do with laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:51 PM
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Yeah, having it worse in math doesn't mean you're oppressed. What the fuck are you talking about? Maybe you haven't been following, but this genius over here thought that women having dedicated spaces and clubs was a sign that women have it easier than men. Instead of realizing that those spaces exist because there are less women in those fields and they generally get a ton of shit from their male counterparts, he made the hilariously revealing and counterproductive argument that they're just wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:30 PM
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Buddy, you cannot comprehend the advantages that you have because they all feel normal. They all feel like baseline to you. The one disadvantage you have as a man is that you have to work harder to get a date. If someone asked me to deal with all the shit that women deal with just to get "more options" in the dating world I'd say "yeah, no fucking thanks."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:55 PM
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Yikes dude, why do you think those scholarships and designated clubs exist? It's like saying victims of domestic violence have it easier because they have designated shelters. Where's my shelter?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:48 PM
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Oh nooo bro. This is just not accurate. The reasons men and women become homeless can be very different, but the reason you see less homeless women is because: a) it would be a death sentence (so they do just about everything they can to not become homeless) and b) those homeless women have been abducted or forced/coerced into sex work (i.e. the aforementioned death sentence)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:46 PM
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