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Reddit's detachment from the real world really frustrates me. Especially regarding relationships. I generally find TikTok and Instagram align better with the dating patterns I see IRL. Maybe this is generational if Reddit leans older. But I'm yet to work out definitively what makes the takes here so abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:37 PM
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You'd be surprised at just how un-picky men can be with their tastes. That skinny blonde over there? She's cute. That curvy latina there? She's hot too. What about that lightskin girl with curly hair? Yep, hot too. Pretty much just be a healthy weight and don't present as masculine and most men will be into you. Edit: Before you bring up tall women. It's about as rare for a woman to be 6'0 as for a man to be 6'5. We could fix the height issue alone simply if women dated men taller than them but …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:31 PM
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I think the word "Chad" sounds a bit childish, but it's just a quick shorthand for an attractive man. I think women (by and large) like tall, handsome men. There's a little variation in what counts as handsome; some women may or may not prefer facial hair for example, and some girls on TikTok seem to have a thing for big noses. But, no, I fully believe in the idea of women's pure attraction being reserved for tall, conventionally attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:27 AM
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I know that subtext is not what they mean. But the words themselves kinda basically suggest that you don't have a relationship and you are not entitled to one. Conversely, guys who do have relationships... are entitled to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:23 AM
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So I'm going to make a bit of a reach here. When people say "you're not entitled to a relationship", I think the reason that bothers people is the statement's obviousness. Sure. That's one aspect. There also seems to be this weird subtext along the lines of "you are not entitled to a relationship but Chad over there? He has a woman, so he is, women owe him that. You are so flawed, that you don't get to have that". I know I know. That's not the intention. But when you use that language, that will…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:35 PM
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NGL was kinda getting to the point like that one woman who kept asking when you're proposing so 🤷‍♂️.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:49 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMgadUlCxvm/ Hypergamy is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:45 AM
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I never said otherwise. It is, however, disingenuous to compare straight women's non-attraction to men with straight men's non-attraction to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:13 AM
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He's not a bad-looking dude. If he was, I wouldn't have made my previous comment. In his specific case, it is literally just the cameras and panicked asking complicating things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:26 AM
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I'm going to say they rebuffed him because of the way he asked and the cameras following. No one wants to be caught in some prank video. If he just normally walked up to them (as he would do without cameras), he'd get that kiss.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:22 AM
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Some people are closeted. More news at 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:12 AM
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That too. But I've also seen it as genuine advice that you can't really call yourself lonely and single if you refuse to try out Grindr.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:10 AM
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If only girls were as simple as one's friends...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:09 AM
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You really want to compare women not sleeping with a man for being under 5'10 as equivalent to sleeping with a whole different gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:07 AM
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The people in here that unironically suggest that (straight) men sleep with other men if they can't get women, are single handedly setting back a generation of LGBT+ activism, research and science that sexuality isn't a choice or lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 10:54 PM
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I think FWIW a lot of women do genuinely love their beta bucks husbands. A lot of those marriages don't contain no sex, divorce, or infidelity. It should also be reasonable to understand that men want to be the guy she had fun with, not the guy she has to "mature into" liking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:28 AM
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I have a question, what on earth are broad shoulders? I get that women like them; I just don't know what they look like. Whenever I've googled broad shoulders, I can't tell the difference between those images and normal (narrow?) shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 09:05 AM
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He's pretty attractive for his age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 09:07 PM
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I can't think of a western person who would willingly live in Afghanistan, so poor example of women's attraction. But (straight) women just like masculinity because... that's just the way it is. You take a tall, muscular, etc man and put him in front of straight women, they'll still like him even if he isn't hugging other dudes and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:25 PM
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Doesn't this kinda disprove the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:03 PM
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I guess we all speak from our own personal POVs. For me I'd ideally want my girlfriend to essentially be a girl best friend I have sex with. So if she wouldn't want to go out with me, I'd probably be a bit upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:00 PM
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I never said you can't have girls' nights. It will however raise suspicion if every single night is a girls' night.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:55 AM
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In fairness... not always. Admittedly if it's always a "girl's night" and they never go with you, that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:17 AM
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I'll imagine you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:12 PM
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I'll enjoy it while I can before, you know, women eventually win the debate and take porn away.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:11 PM
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What if we are though? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:07 PM
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Normal people live in Dubai too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:02 PM
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why would women want to have sex with men then? why should women be interested? What's in this for them, what are you offering? All of these questions can be addressed by simply suggesting that you date people who you are attracted to (and them to you too).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:19 PM
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You just made that up 😂. If you see loads of black pillers, that just means more people have adopted its message.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 10:55 AM
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At this point I'm convinced women are actually hornier than men; just that their horniness only shows for a small group of men. But a man who has seen a hot woman has absolutely nothing on a woman who has seen a hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 11:30 PM
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These videos are staged, yes. But I've seen this happen IRL. Having a tall, handsome best friend is an eye opening experience. And TBH I doubt these girls would agree (even with payment) if the guy wasn't attractive - the optics of it would look bad if someone they knew saw the video.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 11:09 PM
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Oh, these guys don't need to do anything. The fish make their own way into the net for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 10:49 PM
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FWIW I think all sorts of personalities get girls so long as they're of the right height and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 10:46 PM
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I know a guy who kinda uses this to his advantage. He happens to be friends with lots of conventionally attractive guys, to the point groups of girls will approach that group if they go out. And then he just starts chatting one up himself. Rather than venturing out and competing, he just lets those guys draw the girls to him. He tried to get me to do this too. Difference is, he's actually omewhat attractive whereas I'm not so it wouldn't make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 10:27 PM
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Thighs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 09:16 PM
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This post (or their others in this sub) don't really sound as if a man were behind them. But in any case I think based on the nature of their posts in PPD and that one from AskMenAdvice, man or woman they just like starting arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:39 AM
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First.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:20 AM
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You overestimate how much people think about others. Think about it. You probably break many hearts/make people jealous (and I don't even mean anything to do with relationships either) but how much do you actually think about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:20 AM
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And that's basically what guys are saying when they ask for Chad treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:29 PM
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So she'll stop approaching Chads and sleeping with Chads on the first date? That's a win too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:28 PM
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You know all of those criticisms apply to the woman agreeing to this arrangement too, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:27 PM
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If guys wanting reciprocated effort makes them "entitled" then so be it TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:23 PM
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I think this most closely reflects my take on this matter. Of course people treat those who they find attractive preferentially. That's fine and natural. The problem is, when the rest of us are kept in the dark about it. Men need to know how women treat attractive men so they don't keep pursuing where their effort isn't fairly reciprocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:21 PM
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She's asked this question in like 5 different iterations by this point 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:15 PM
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I've never seen that one. But our government messaging on serious issues (e.g. drunk driving and gambling) tends to be like that so that's why it came to mind. Not sure how things are done in other countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:34 AM
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Honestly I can kinda picture this government-sponsored advertisement with a sombre storyline, ending with a succinct catchphrase about checking in on your guy friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:03 AM
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Progressive women The progressive women who are critiquing men's promiscuity are not the same women who self-describe as progressive yet still expect a Chad provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:50 PM
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More awareness of men's issues, funding towards support, making it more acceptable to reach out to people around you. Would lead to better mental health for men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:43 PM
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Unpopular opinion: men don't dislike slutty women as much as they might claim - because and let's face it those women tend to be hot. They just want those women to be slutty for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 10:17 AM
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You are not as disgruntled as many of the men on here Am I not? It isn't normal to reach 19 and not have any experience with girls, especially when people around me started getting girls when they were around 13-15 Let's just say... I'm personally affected by the sentiment expressed in your username and am reminded of that sentiment every single day
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:57 AM
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If you're a grown man who's thinking to himself "should I be a bad boy?" then chances are you're not bad boy material.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:17 PM
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IME bad boys are born; they can't really be made.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:05 PM
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I guess you're right. In my case I didn't go to school with girls and I don't have female relatives around my age. I quite literally did not speak to a girl my age between the ages of 11-18. So I had to rely on adults' advice a bit more on this front.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:47 PM
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I could maybe get behind it if they did genuinely get less shallow but they don't. Making yourself date less attractive men because Chad won't commit or because you need a "stepdad to step up" for kids from another baby daddy - the whole time putting those men through hoops and giving them duty sex - none of that signals getting less shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:41 PM
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That's still a lie. Technically in a nice fair world, personality should be most important. But given the choice of an unattractive guy who'll treat them right vs an attractive guy who'll keep them on a roster, women will generally choose option 2. Humans are shallow. It's okay and I don't resent that (I'm shallow too and would pick a 10/10 with a bad personality). But I'd like some honesty in the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:07 PM
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Omg. Children know that girls like the popular/attractive boys at that moment. Problem is when adults say when you finish high school, girls become less "shallow". Then you believe you'll get a girl at that point in the future (i.e. "Ok, they like Chad now. But I just have to wait until I graduate and they'll realise I'm better than Chad"). Children believe what they're told. Yeah if this doesn't wear off within one year of being an adult, maybe that's a concern. But even then women will defend …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:02 PM
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Bear in mind, if you vent about your dating struggles in another sub, you'll still get mostly blue pilled responses (though the other pills are gaining traction). It's just that PPD naturally invites those already skeptical of that advice so you see a larger proportion of women who admit looks matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:47 PM
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They are if you push them hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:46 PM
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That's the reason most women are reporting as not single though. Because they think they have Chad's commitment, not realising he has 5 other girls sleeping with and competing for him as well. This counters your original debunking of the 80:20 rule and allows me to introduce the point where men are more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:57 PM
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While there are multiple possible explanations for the disparity, top men dating multiple women cannot be one of them. Are you familiar with the term "situationship"? That's what's happening here. There is no other reason for the disparity. So women are just sharing guys. Which leads me to... Men are 50% more likely to cheat The men who get relationships (i.e. the top 20%) are the ones most women are attracted to. Hence why they can cheat - options and temptation. If a woman finds a top 20% man,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:47 PM
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People (mostly (but not all) women) are getting mad at me for saying I believed in blue pill advice when I was young so why can't he be mad at those girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:57 PM
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Well FWIW their system endured for most of human history. This age of women's complete freedom is actually very recent in the bigger picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:52 PM
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I'm not surprised anymore. But the initial surprise was due to those lies. That's the reason. I can't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:49 PM
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Reason for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:45 PM
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It's a very sensitive thing. Not getting women made men so mad that they actually created a whole societal system to disadvantage women to ensure all men got sexual access. Not meeting Santa doesn't conjure up such strong emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:42 PM
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And somehow you managed to miss the last 2 sentences where I said I have grown out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:38 PM
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Are you deliberately missing out the fact I said I do know better now?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:37 PM
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They do but miss out that he also needs to be tall, hot and optionally rich. And missing out that in a trade off of personality and looks, looks will win Because the advice was from Reddit threads that are now probably like 7-8 years old You're missing the fact I was a CHILD when I heard these things and I'm not particularly old now. You're going after me like I manufactured a collective memory many many men here seem to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:35 PM
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Technically I'm obscuring the truth. They also said to take a shower and be nice but since I already took showers and don't count myself as particularly unpleasant, in real terms I had to do nothing according to blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:27 PM
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Well I'm only 19 so it's not like the revelation that women like attractive dudes dawned upon me very late. However, if adults tell a child that you just need to wait it out and girls will like your PERSONALITY, then that's what that child will believe. And BTW blue pillers told us all for years that these "attractive traits" were taking showers and being a nice person. I just believed it because I didn't know better. I do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:24 PM
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Hey if it's what you hear growing up, that's what you'll believe because presumably adults know better. Just like milennials didn't know that getting a college degree ≠ automatic success until they actually stepped into the job market. They just believed what the adults said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:20 PM
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I mean... you wouldn't be upset if it was you? If you time travelled back to your teenage years and I made you 5'5 with a not-so-great face (and no attention from girls), you're telling me you'd be 100% well-adjusted and normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:16 PM
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I meant that in the sense of "Sit tight until you're an adult and you'll eventually encounter girls who are open to having a relationship with you".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:13 PM
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This topic has come up a lot recently. Anyway the reason is because we grew up with blue pill advice like once you become an adult, girls will like you for your personality so just sit tight and watch the magic happen. To use an analogy, it's a bit like the disappointment when you find out working hard and getting a college degree doesn't necessarily lead to success in life like everyone told you growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:07 PM
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I'll say it again. Not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:56 AM
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That's not how that works lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:26 PM
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TBH this is a non-problem. I believe in the US, teachers determine your real actual grades through a combination/series of assignments? In the UK your actual grades are all assessed by final exam. Those exams are produced by external providers for the whole country and marked (anonymously) by those providers. Edit: I hate to say it but I tend to find that male teachers are either pushovers or too strict, and neither group detail-oriented. I've seen the way those guys do their marking/grading and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:43 PM
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This is actually weird to me. I went to an all boys school and the BEST teachers - and I mean the ones who could get through to the students who would skip class to get high - were women. Male teachers just did not know how to handle us. Probably take this with a grain of salt since I'm from the UK and not the US and am not familiar with the US education system.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:06 PM
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I can fix her NGL.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:39 PM
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Eugenia Cooney Had to google but she's honestly so fine. Maybe a bad example lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:07 PM
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Anecdotally, guys tend to have a type but are open to dating others who don't fit that. But similarities will remain (e.g. shorter than him, has long hair). Every guy is also different - me for instance I find most girls attractive but will never date outside of my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:59 PM
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I think you misread. I used the not equal to sign (= but with a line through it).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:54 PM
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I've personally never met a woman who wants me so 🤷‍♂️. Not even talking myself out of it or anything. Just literally never had a girl show interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:53 PM
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It's actually somewhat the same for guys. When we hype up our boys, we're looking at the quality of their pictures, poses, outfits, haircut. Like you said it's about complimenting the effort. Though I will say that guys don't take these compliments as seriously as women do and start believing they're 10s because their friends told them so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:50 PM
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You probably have an unflattering haircut or facial hair. Or, and this will sound harsh, some people just do not have nice faces so maybe that's it. However, it is most likely the first one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:42 PM
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Because women choosing (they're also very big on the choosing/happy part) to stay alone because Chad doesn't want them ≠ a man who can't get any woman to look his way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:35 PM
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Most of them pretty much do with make up TBF.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:30 PM
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Lots of men are just ugly See, everyone accepts this when a woman says it. But when a guy even hints at this, women deny it up and down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:28 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:26 PM
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Well I guess but these skinny/skinny fat guys I'm referring to are still of (at minimum) average height and facially handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:35 PM
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So this is actually why going to the gym as dating advice kinda (emphasis on kinda) irks me. I probably know more skinny and skinny fat guys with girlfriends (and they are good-looking girls) than gym bros with girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:23 PM
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Sorry, that's not what I meant. Women (including on this sub) often question why men without girlfriends don't simply make more friends, yet here it seems the concept of a relationship being distinct to friendship is being perfectly understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:39 PM
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Romantic love and friendship love are two very different things. "Why don't men just make friends?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:30 PM
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We did have that kinda restraint in the past where women's suitors were assessed by their parents (or their fathers in particular). It's women who have taken that accountability into their own hands. In the same way that I'm not entitled to a relationship, I'm also not entitled to intervene in others' relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:40 PM
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People don't even know why they have preferences a lot of the time. Why do some dudes really love blondes? IDK they just do. Why do girls like tall dudes? They just do. Why do both genders not like overweight people? It just looks bad. There's no real logic to these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:28 PM
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Except those things aren't necessarily male issues. The male stereotypes we refer to here are things like "all men cheat" or "men will sleep with anything". That has nothing to do with ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:23 PM
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Neither. Women will tell you to "just be nice and respectful". Sexually successful men usually say things like "just talk to girls, what do you have to lose?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:21 PM
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Define blaming though. Let's use an example. Women on here very openly say they only find a few men attractive which is also backed by studies. If we say more men are single because women are now truly free to pursue who they really want (a small group of men), is that laying blame or is that making an observation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:45 AM
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Come on now. 99/100 people could do X and blue pillers will say that "everyone does X" is generalising because one person does Y instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:37 AM
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Must feel like it. I couldn't imagine not being able to drink at 18 either TBF.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:08 PM
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You said you were 18 yesterday. It took me like 3 scrolls of your profile lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:06 PM
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You're an adult bruv 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:01 PM
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Not sure anyone will discourage you TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:00 PM
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2 options: Realise that a degree is a degree Aim to do a Master's at a better university
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:58 PM
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PSA: Unless you have clear and consistent interest from women [who you are attracted to], you cannot be MGTOW. What would you even be going away from? Instead, the appropriate name is MSTOW (where S = sent). They are being turned away from the dating market and towards other pursuits. Calling it MGTOW is a bit like when kids lose a game and retrospectively cry about how they "never wanted to play anyway".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:49 PM
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Erm... the Indian subcontinent. I know you're specifically from India but that beauty standard (combover, clean shaven) pretty much applies in the whole of that region.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:20 PM
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This is part of the reason I stay quiet when my friends are rating girls around campus and stuff haha. I'm no one to place numbers on these girls and I'd be lucky if they ever picked me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:13 PM
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No offence but in the subcontinent, you guys think anything that isn't a combover and clean shaven is unattractive even if the girls disagree 😭.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:01 PM
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Well yeah being single sucks. But it doesn't suck that bad if you look at what it takes for non-Chad to get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:50 PM
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In my observation, the bad boys tend to be physically better looking than the nerds too. Not sure what causes that. Everyone's seen a handful of good-looking nerds but no one has ever seen an unattractive bad boy. Good looks plus the status, confidence and excitement means these guys get more girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:43 PM
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He's obviously joking lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:37 AM
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Well personally if they did that to me, I wouldn't care if I ended up as chewed gum. I'd just want them to do it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:27 AM
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I actually have a theory about this. A lot of guys in these beta relationships probably took blue pill dating advice which would have been more prominent in the past. One core blue pill tenet is that the nice respectful guys always get the girl in the end. So they've actually been brought up to think this is winning. In their eyes, being a stepdad is "stepping up" and getting the girl in the end makes them win out over all those Chads. So it likely comes from conditioning more so than active des…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:23 AM
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Not actively, no, but a degree of preselection is evident TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:22 AM
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First, I'd never refer to myself as MGTOW because I have the self-awareness to know it's actually MSTOW (S = sent). Anyway no one is that desperate for a relationship. That's the thing this sub often misses. Sure you get to say you're in a relationship under this arrangement but no one wants it that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:18 AM
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If you pay attention these women usually divorce their asshole husband's for some beta, nice guy stepdad. Oh what an honour! How are you going to keep guys sexless their entire prime years and then gift them another man's kids AND sell it to us like a good thing?!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:11 AM
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Modern dating could be solved if women thought like that but they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:37 AM
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That's literally a contradiction in terms. Why would an attractive girl sleep with an unattractive guy? You're misreporting those guys' attractiveness. I'm tired of this "using girls" argument. Either the girls wanted no-strings sex too or they mistakenly told themselves there was hope of commitment. It's only "used" or "manipulated" when it doesn't go to their plan in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:33 AM
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How old are you and why do guys 30+ genuinely believe this? It is exceedingly rare that an 18-25 (i.e. young adult) woman actually wants to date older guys. Ok maybe maybe a 25 year old would, but you talked about getting there first so that would be 18-22 (assuming they haven't been dating in high school or college). This is a red pill fairy tale that Gen Z girls are en masse dating older. There are so many attractive guys their age in college/on apps/in bars. Honestly wherever I have seen girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:15 AM
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No. Hypergamy would be if I said I only want to date Stacey or nothing (yes, I want mutual sexual attraction with my partner but that doesn't mean I only get that from Stacey). Whatever woman I date, I want her to treat me as if I am top man, as I would treat her like a top woman. Women are said to practice hypergamy when they'll go so far as to share Chad with his roster of other women just so they can say they have a "situationship" with a top man and then be surprised when he doesn't commit. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:55 AM
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Classes til 10pm?! Mine have to end at 6 lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:18 AM
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I can't fathom willingly going back to university after 4 months of summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:38 AM
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Why do I feel like a man wrote this? 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:17 AM
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Important to make the distinction that these successful men aren't necessarily successful by taking up the RP. Their success and experiences naturally incline them to RP-esque beliefs. The proof is in how successful guys would speak about women pre all of this mess going mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:14 AM
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I think you're working with the assumption that I want a relationship that badly (anymore). For me I'd rather be single than go through the non-Chad hoops, especially when I know how easy women make it for Chads. Like I don't need a girlfriend at all costs. I'm honestly okay-ish with being single if the alternate is a relationship where I get non-Chad treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:08 AM
1

When you press on it, it should give you a place to edit before you fully apply that flair. All of those flairs are default, yes, but can be edited.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:02 AM
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IDK but it seems pretty true for couples in my generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 11:59 PM
2

Escorts? Porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 07:57 PM
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Not my problem 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:00 PM
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No, it's more like just eating boiled chicken than, for example, grilled chicken. Because by watching (and masturbating to) porn, you're still somewhat satisfying your sexual needs. Watching cooking shows doesn't satisfy hunger. The idea is you need to satisfy the need but with a lower tier option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:45 PM
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Wait are we still debating that looks matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:14 PM
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It's kinda funny once you see it. My best friend at school was a Chad and every time we hung out, at least one girl would approach him. So that basically accustomed me to girls approaching first. Then I come on here and everyone is lamenting about approaching women and at first I was just like... bro if you're having to approach them then it just means they don't want you. But yeah I'm basically never going to approach a girl because they lose those rules realll fast if they truly want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:00 PM
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You'd need to edit the flair. I think you'd pick No Pill (black) and then edit it to whatever you want? Or you might be able to do it with the purple?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:55 PM
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Porn has had a bit of an equalising effect. Why put in the effort when I can imagine myself screwing a 10/10? Tides you over a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:15 PM
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Think of it as indifference rather than overt happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:02 PM
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It's best to end that advice with a caveat of "unless you're attractive". "Don't approach me in the gym... unless you're attractive." "I have a boyfriend... unless you're attractive." Or related: "I like nerds... if they're attractive." "I like nice, respectful guys... if they're attractive."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:00 PM
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Your flair somewhat summarises the issue TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:58 PM
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Yeah but if she's not attracted to you then no government stipend will suddenly make her overlook your physicality for your money. However if you look good enough she might forgive a lack of money. To a degree the concept of a top guy is relative but take a look at the Netherlands. Men are over 6'0 on average. Women aren't suddenly looking for 7'0 men there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:01 PM
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I mean... even if I go back to my grandparents. One set met at university and one set met at work. One of my grandmas used to do some modelling and another lived with her girl friends before she got married. And my grandads were/are thoroughly unremarkable people. So it's not like my grandmothers were hard pressed to find a husband. They were enjoying their lives, getting educated, working and having fun before settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:44 PM
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I mean, he could always look to Queen Elizabeth's or Margaret Thatcher's husbands (I wish I could think of any American examples lol). They did it very well indeed for a time when men were very much expected to lead their households.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:37 PM
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I've never had this "privilege". Women have had equality throughout my lifetime. That is normal to me. I can't even think of a male family member who benefitted from this "privilege" in order to find their now-wives. Women's standards were just more reasonable before.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:36 PM
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Fair enough. That's just a cultural difference then. But that's why I'm focused on it because you do need to be objectively tall for good dating success in the west. Not just taller than the specific woman you fancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:31 PM
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Well men's dating troubles aren't really political front and center so I doubt anyone has run a campaign with the promise of getting girlfriends for Gen Z guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:28 PM
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Is height not an attractiveness trait for men in India? It's pretty significant in the west. Like it's pretty much mandatory; not just a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:26 PM
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If it worked so well, that system would’ve naturally stayed in place. It stayed for very long indeed. It fell apart because people in the last 100 years would've had no idea why monogamy was around or why women were "beneath" men - they just grew up with it and had no idea why their early ancestors introduced it. So when women asked for equality, eventually everyone went "meh, what's the worse that could happen?" and then they didn't forsee... all of whatever modern dating is. And the bigger poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:25 PM
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Exactly. But I do think we have a way to go before these things are safe as well because some men will need more procedures than others. Other things can be included too. Heavily encourage (or even mandate) boys to take up sports and track their growth so that they can be given growth hormones to avoid being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:08 PM
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Your last argument doesn't make sense given that for most of human history, that was the world order. If our ancestors introduced monogamy to stop the top men getting all the women, you don't think the top men also brought into that contract? How else did it sustain for so long? Besides, the top men have always sat at the pinnacle of power and influence anyway (politicians and CEOs tend to be taller, better looking and, obviously, wealthier). Who worked for those men? It's amazing how much you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:04 PM
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You assume renting a 1 bed flat is still easy on a single income, let alone everything else. You also forgot toiletries (and I use a lot), groceries, and way more than "2 pieces" of clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:37 PM
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If you take dating away, what differences do you propose? Men and women can access the same education, work the same jobs, enjoy the same entertainment, and basically do all of the same things as each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:34 PM
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And yet men can live comfortably on a single income?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:31 PM
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Might be banned in your country but perfectly legal in mine - so that might be the source of disagreement but I'd really see no issue with it seeing as sex work already exists here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:30 PM
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This was the world order until the last 100 years or so but this doesn't make sense because women work anyway. They already are paying their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:20 PM
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"Immoral" is subjective and I'd rather the industry be regulated by the state than privately. They should but the question here is means to get laid. You wouldn't be here if you were truly comfortable in your skin
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:17 PM
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State-subsidised sex workers or state-subsidised cosmetic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:13 PM
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"Just see the recent case where a women-led campaign in the world's strongest country (as well as its oldest democracy) had no mention of men in their "who we serve" page and the leaders of the campaign attacked men for not voting for women's freedoms/choices and for not leaving their own values for women." I'm not sure of the specific case or country in question but that's what he's saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:12 PM
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To be very fair this works in reverse too. Men want better dating chances and (by and large) are indifferent to women's social mobility. I will say, there is a double standard where only women get a voice in their issues but men have to care about their solutions (e.g. the abortion debate). But they get to comment on men's issues too and won't help men achieve their desired solutions (e.g. male sexlessness).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:10 PM
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No no. "Britain" is fine. You can use "Britain" and "United Kingdom" interchangeably. "Great Britain" distinctly refers to the landmass of England, Wales and Scotland (and is inaccurate when used interchangeably with the other 2 because it excludes Northern Ireland which is part of Britain/the UK).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:51 AM
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It's called a pet peeve for a reason. I mean I'll survive if someone misnames a country but yeah just wanted to point it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:42 AM
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These people aren't legislators though lol. And if you go looking for the undereducated to make videos of them, that's what you'll get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:16 AM
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No one refers to the whole union as "England" but American people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:06 AM
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They aren't under anything. It's a union and plus they can make a lot of their own decisions (like the US has state and federal laws).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:04 AM
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It's not a competition lol. Both are inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:51 AM
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See, Britain is fine to refer to the entire UK. But "Great Britain" and just "England" are both inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:49 AM
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No it's just that lots of people don't want to start a relationship as an LDR. I don't really see the point in committing to a girl I could only see like once every few weeks (or even once a week is too little for me).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:42 AM
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It really bothers me when Americans refer to the UK as "Great Britain". That's like referring to the US as California. And the latest was a congress-guy (?) who said it like 5 times over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:38 AM
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If she holds such a view on sex workers' clientele, why not give them the free alternative? Remove the demand, remove the supply. I just think it's weird to hold that view of people whose life choices do not affect you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:34 AM
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The straight guys that get easy sex have the best stories too. It's just hard to listen to because you can never imagine girls doing those things/acting that way for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:30 AM
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But not "pathetic" enough to get women to date more men so they don't have to see escorts?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:59 AM
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Women have created this weird paradox where only they get a say on their issues but men have to be interested too and help them achieve their aims. Whereas they get to comment on men's issues too and won't help men actualise the solutions that men come up with. Personally, though, equality right? She can handle herself. And it's not in my nature to involve myself in others' confrontations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:44 AM
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"Some" is a nice word because it can mean any amount you want it to mean. I think the number of men with no interested parties is much higher than their women counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:25 AM
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... I have no idea what you're talking about 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:10 AM
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You're overreacting. Literally no one is going to jump through those hoops just to say they have a nominal/ceremonial partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:47 AM
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Yeah but no one is that desperate for a relationship. There's enough free porn out there to pacify most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:31 AM
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Why are you advocating this as something guys should aspire to?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:26 AM
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I don't see the problem unless she tries to recruit you as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:03 AM
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Short men were found to marry later in life than average or tall men, but were 32 percent less likely to divorce. They were also more likely to marry less educated and younger women. Once married, they did less of the housework and earned a much higher income than their spouse. Basically AF/BB no?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:01 AM
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they need to be running a "Beta Game" Can you explain what this entails?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:58 AM
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This is sorta just world fallacy though. You're assuming everyone has at least someone interested in them and that's not true. Not even that the interested parties are unattractive, just no interested party at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:57 AM
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Yeah like most people understand the OP's 2 examples are not comparable at all. A real double standard here would be if the guy - who himself has had, as stated, a fairly normal experience (few relationships and hook ups) - asked his partner to have 0 experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:43 AM
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Thank the universe that I don't have a girlfriend and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:38 AM
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I think that telling guys to: Get their companionship met elsewhere (e.g. friends) Focus on their hobbies, work, pick up volunteering and other such advice Not focus on women so much as there's more to life than sex Is terribly dismissive and misses the point. And that, if put in the same position, the women (and successful men) who advocate this position would not take their own advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:07 PM
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I think this ties into the concept of preselection. Women want to be reassured their partner is eligible to other men too. Men don't like sharing their partners generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:02 PM
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Are you asking if I'm a dude or are you saying you agree? because I'm kinda confused 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:51 PM
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People do TBF. If you want to do a competitive job, you're generally told to have a safe 2nd choice. You can aspire to be in the NBA but make sure to work hard at school too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:31 PM
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As a fellow 19 year old guy... "You're not that guy, bro. You're not that guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:24 PM
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Ostensibly heterosexual women have such aversion to sleeping with men who are short. They're supposed to be attracted to men. What makes you think a straight man would sleep with a whole gender he's not into?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:11 PM
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Dating conversations should be limited to controlled internet environments or to your therapist's office. I wouldn't even talk about this with non-family acquaintances because it gets out of hand very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:08 PM
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This wouldn't necessarily work for me either. I go through phases where I really like girls and then I really like guys. If I'm in a girl phase, a set of abs just does not do anything for me but weirdly if I'm in a guy phase, a pair of boobs will still turn me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:03 PM
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That's not what it implies. You need to google the passive voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:06 PM
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The problem is when women are cheated on by multiple chads but then "all men cheat" or "men aren't lonely enough". You take your baggage out on the wrong people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:46 PM
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Yeah lol. I thought you're supposed to be a decent human being to everyone pretty much unless they're not being decent to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:39 PM
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You like reading books right? My phrasing was "I was told". This is the passive voice, which is very careful to avoid emphasis on one particular subject. I really can't pinpoint one source. But it's definitely a message you absorb over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:18 PM
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That's when it went big though, let's be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:59 PM
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They still don't listen. I'll see posts of 45 year old virgins venting and half the comments will be like "Don't worry man, 45 is still so young! You'll find someone!" It's just... frustrating. Like you guys can't even drop the act when a man is 45?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:55 AM
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That's my man! How dare they?!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:50 AM
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Yeah like she's going after me like I made this up myself. Like bro just take a look around 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:45 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:31 AM
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Well my rebuttal to that is always that the guys who actually get girls, started getting girls at like 13-15. No self-improvement or anything. And it's not normal to be 19 and have 0 experience with girls. Say whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:27 AM
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Actually no. My mum actively says she married my dad because he's 6'0 tall. She's been more honest to me about women's attraction than most women on the internet lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:20 AM
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If you have to resort to this sorta pedantry to make your point, did you ever have a point at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:18 AM
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Well obviously no specific person sat me down and told me those things but it's the general dating advice that you see. For most of my agemates, pilled stuff didn't really take off until Tate went big in ~2022 (I was 16 then). That's kinda when I realised I wasn't the odd one for seeing the disparity in what women say they're attracted to vs what actually attracts them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:14 AM
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But I'd never deny that though. I'd never tell an overweight woman that her singleness isn't caused by being overweight or some supposed misandry that men can sense on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:08 AM
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No. The blue pill goes further. They actively say being single has nothing to do with height and looks. I've genuinely been told on Reddit that I'm not single due to my height or looks, but due to some supposed misogyny that girls are "smelling" off me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:07 AM
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IDK what to tell you except that that is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:56 AM
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Exhibit A of the answer to OP's question lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:55 AM
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I was told that once I finish high school, girls will realise the jocks aren't good for them and they'll like guys like me for my personality. Well that never happened. You can't gaslight someone and blame them for believing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:54 AM
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15 and in fairness I think most of the attraction is from girls around his age. I will say, I've seen a lot of "IDC if he's 15, I'm willing to risk it all" which just wouldn't be acceptable if the genders were reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:37 AM
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This mindset is toxic because in general it robs men from their connection with women Connection?! Women, by and large, are not attracted to feminine behaviour. Slightly feminine looks maybe (pretty boys) but an element of masculine behaviour needs to be present.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:21 AM
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I agree with you. Like I'll see edits of hot criminals and girls will be thirsting in the comments which is of course natural if you see a good-looking person. But I think most recognise that they wouldn't actually want to be caught up in that lifestyle. They're just admiring from a distance safely behind their screens. This works the other way too. I might see edits of hot female criminals and think she's hot or even "I could fix her" but it's mostly a joke. I'm just admiring a good-looking wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:05 AM
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I think you guys are complicating this unnecessarily. Basically when a hot criminal gets arrested, his mugshot may go viral. This creates interest in the likes of Bundy or Meeks. Less to do with his criminality, more to do with him being hot. They would have the same result if they started making thirst traps instead. For everyday criminals (e.g. drug dealers having sex with women in the back of their dilapidated cars), it's simply because those guys are the most prominent in those communities s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:33 AM
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They usually just sleep around a lot and won't really commit due to said true nature of women that they come to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:17 AM
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Actually those men have not left the scene. They're doing pretty well (even the likes of Bundy had many many girls interested in him).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:15 AM
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This goes both ways. I think that successful men see the "true" side of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:12 AM
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Anything but admit women's standards are just really high.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:09 AM
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Ohhh. I see. Kinda different to how we study English in the UK but I understand your point now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:55 AM
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We need you to deliver more 19-21 BMI women to the people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:49 AM
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... You don't study History and Geography as separate subjects?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:29 AM
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What else do people do in English but read books? That's the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:15 AM
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IME they don't know much English but they always know how to swear (properly)?! It's kinda bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:10 AM
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No British person actually speaks like that 😭.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:02 AM
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I mean at that point, why not just pay a sex worker? I certainly don't want to date my looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:53 PM
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I think getting people to change prompts is even more silly. Changing out a picture still, to some degree, touches on the main obvious issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:50 PM
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That's exactly the solution. It's just not practicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:43 PM
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I find it hilarious when some guy posts a review of his dating profile and asks why he gets no matches and, well, the glaring issue is apparent but everyone suggests taking out a certain picture because he's holding a fish or adding a different prompt will make all the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:15 PM
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And really wanting someone does not revolve around sex. No point to a relationship without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:49 PM
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I feel like every post here is simply reinventing the wheel at this point. We get it. Modern dating is a mess. None of you will fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:31 PM
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Rule Britannia!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:30 PM
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No, you can't date "undereducated" women. Look at how PPBs get criticised.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:56 PM
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People exaggerate but really if you're at least 5'7 and can't pull, it's not your height. I think there's a point where a guy, all else equal, is just too short but I will agree that 6'0 isn't the benchmark.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:55 PM
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Facial hair is still attractive. Just needs to be kept neat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:52 PM
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People do say those things but I also think the way one interprets a statement relates more to their own mindset than the mindset of the author. Let's take my example. I'm young. I have 0 experience with girls. When I get to my 30s, IF (and this is just an if) more women suddenly start to seem interested, I'd probably turn them down because I simply won't be able to trust they really want me. That isn't a "threat". Those women would be perfectly free to find someone else. It's more so a preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:41 PM
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This might be an age thing TBF but I'm young enough that everyone knows Tate etc and that content was an all of our FYPs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:30 PM
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I mean. If X says he doesn't get women because he's unattractive, it follows that Y can recognise he gets women because he is attractive? That's really not a hard concept to grasp. You can be rich and understand wealth inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:15 PM
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Theories use observation/empiricism which is the scientific method but no definition of "theory" roots it in the study of science.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:03 PM
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Actually, I've noticed the successful guys (i.e. ones who get girls) are the most red pilled. But in general RP (like all pills) is just a set of theories no? Anyone - even you - could buy into those theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:59 PM
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No one said it was scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:49 PM
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I wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:04 PM
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I'm thoroughly convinced that girls my age just do not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:02 PM
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Not that girls post stories about me but I could definitely see myself saying that as a tongue-in-cheek invitation for you to text me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:59 PM
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Except that would be harassment and last one would be SA.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:05 PM
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Was this meant for me? In any case, I personally don't think it'll become a thing because that would mean society loses its asexual worker drones en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:17 AM
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That's always been a thing here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:14 AM
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They're actually thinking of working it into the curriculum in UK schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:12 AM
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Girls are now feral for Owen Cooper so I doubt the exact message sunk in. Also not an accurate portrayal of UK high schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:10 AM
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I don't buy into that for 2 reasons I've seen guys rate literal insta models as 2s or "low quality" (which let's face it is just because they're jealous). I don't really trust their judgement on who is (or is not) sleeping with Chad I don't personally necessarily rate women on a sliding scale. For me it's either "attractive" or "unattractive" and there are more of the former than the latter. Therefore, the women hooking up with Chad are still attractive to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:35 AM
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The ego boost of being able to get sex for free (the "normal" way) I suppose. Plus sex workers aren't exactly inexpensive either. I saw a Reddit post where a guy did the maths and if he was to see a sex worker as often as he did it with his girlfriend, he'd spend like $3-4K on sex alone. FWIW I personally have decided to see a sex worker so this doesn't apply to me personally. I'm just advocating the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:30 AM
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Because generally people don't feel proud of themselves for being able to attract those women. Like it's kinda implied those are good-looking women that he's seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:24 AM
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He doesn't seem like much of a looker Hmm... Guess that depends how you view things. Are you older? By his/my generation's standards he's actually decent-looking. Far from the best, yes, but he could definitely do well without the status and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:22 AM
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if not held accountable That can be applied to anything. If there are no laws against something, it is not wrong to do that thing. If people believe there is a gap in the law, they should make representations to legislators. For so long as that gap exists unopposed, it's not really a gap at all; just means society deems that thing acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:03 AM
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Well the problem isn't so much just being nice - obviously I don't want to mistreat people. It's more like no matter how nice you are, there are guys getting sex on the first date (even without a date!) and others who she's telling that she's waiting for marriage. Now sure, you can wait it out, marry her, and maybe she'll give you sex. Being nice will achieve that, absolutely. But is that really winning? Did being nice really pay off here?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:46 AM
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Think this is more of a 50:50 split. Some women would ideally date a tall, handsome guy who is nice to them. However if the choice is tall, handsome and toxic, they'd prefer that over short(er), less handsome but otherwise nice. Others genuinely do prefer toxicity. I always see TikToks where the caption is "POV: Wondering why I date toxic men but the nice ones sound like this" and the audio is some guy saying a cute good morning message. So some prefer the excitement while others are making the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:42 AM
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Oh that's easy. That's the "women can smell your personality" crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:24 AM
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Women when you critique their role in modern dating: "Why do men always complain about us? What about the Chads who supposedly take all of the women?" Women when you critique Chad: "Haha, are you secretly into men? Not even I think of Chad this much. Maybe that's why you're struggling to get women."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:15 AM
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Well TBF when men complain about women acting a certain way, a very common rebuttal is that only popular/attractive/young women behave that way. That if guys focus on nerdy, shy, library girls, they'd avoid these problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:38 AM
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Yes but only up to a point. I think 5'7 is the minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:24 AM
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I studied Nepal as a case study at school for Geography and I probably couldn't name anything about Nepal either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:11 PM
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I don't dislike single mums. I think they're often hard-working, committed, and resilient. I think it's commendable to do as well as many of them do, raising their kids as a one-man team. I just don't want to date one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:55 PM
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Not a chance 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:48 PM
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Porn and sex workers exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:45 PM
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I kinda agree with her on other guys not helping but for a different reason than her. IME successful guys are really oblivious as to their success. But that's also because they've pretty much always been successful. And it kinda hurts to see their dating profiles and DMs and things and knowing you don't get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:44 PM
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It's... distasteful to say the least. Probably explains why the blue pill is mainstream because the honest conversation makes for uncomfortable listening. But honestly she's not wrong. To clarify this is coming from a dude that doesn't get girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:36 PM
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Well inadvertantly you're making my point. I think both men and women are realising they prefer to be single than "end up" with someone they don't fully want. Whereas maybe back in the 90s - which I can't tell you because my parents didn't even meet in the 90s - people were more ready to settle by a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:44 PM
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Short guys are awesome Thank you! when they are cute and hot. ... Never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:40 PM
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That's the thing. "Ended up"...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:37 PM
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Everyone's experience will vary but I'm fairly young and in my observation, there seem to be a few guys that get ALLLL the girls while everyone else has nothing. By your theory, most guys I know (i.e. the average) should have a girlfriend but it really seems like you get everything or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:31 PM
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Ok so this is not the translation of those statements. As a person who is actually of the generation who makes these posts, this is just a veiled way of asking if anyone else has fallen for a colleague, an older man, or for having nice hair. For example: “is he cute or is he just your coworker” = "has anyone else spent time around a colleague and developed feelings?". It's just calling for people who have had that experience
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:47 PM
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In exchange for her dressing, behaving, and giving sex as he pleases. I don't want those restrictions. Not to mention how exhausting being a trophy wife/husband would be. I'd rather my freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:02 PM
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Being a billionaire? Yes Being with a billionaire? Probably not. The money/comfort would likely be balanced by significant restrictions, under which I don't want to live my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:45 PM
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Yet I don't even talk about dating IRL. No one knows how I feel or don't feel about being single. Why is it then, based on one anonymous Reddit posts, people tell guys that women are "smelling" their personalities and thus they are single?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:36 PM
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... Is it okay if I ask for an explanation lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:16 PM
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Where does women's super smell go when they end up being cheated on or manipulated?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:09 PM
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These guys dont want A WOMAN to love them. They want a bunch of women horny for them and chasing them. Yep. You're right. I admit it. Where's my fan club now?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:07 PM
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TBF a lifetime of "it's the inside that counts" and then being told "women can smell your personality and that's why you're single" can make people feel slightly duped.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:41 AM
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As I said to the other guy, I've found my solution and am at peace with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:17 AM
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The difference is that a variety of women's bodies are attractive. A variety of men's bodies are not - only certain types are (your options are skinny or lean muscle). Even across ethnicities, the base factors for attractiveness still remain, like tall Asian men doing better than shorter Asian men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:03 AM
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Not sure about that; not from the US. What I do know, is this linguistic choice with my peers has only picked up in recent years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:48 PM
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It's the ones you're dating who are waving your rights goodbye. I wish I could find that TikTok of "everyone is a feminist until a terrible man is attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:20 PM
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Of the 4 guys I know who do the best with women, 3/4 unironically call them "females" and have the most red pill takes. But apparently women don't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:53 PM
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98% of the stuff here fits that description lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:48 PM
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More like it really shouldn't take this much effort to get with a girl. You have to understand the frustration, surely, when someone is presented with an insurmountable list before they're approved to get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:37 PM
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Lowkey I disagree. I don't mind being scruffy, unkempt and lazy if it's just me. I literally only get haircuts for the compliments at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:24 PM
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Thank goodness for porn!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:12 PM
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Just the classic "I can't refute this so I'll ask for a source". As if she provided a source for anything so far either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:08 PM
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Standards would merely shift upwards. The minimum would increase. The distribution of top men wouldn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:03 PM
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especially if you claim personality is the most important factor That's on you for falling for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:22 PM
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I suppose this is one of the rare posts where the classic "you're not entitled to a relationship" is the correct response. You can't make someone give you a chance. The best you can do is improve your own chances and hope for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:22 PM
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Equalityyyyy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:06 PM
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Yeah. Don't want to sound jealous but if he's that tall and has "Hollywood good looks" then women should be approaching him regardless of his social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:59 PM
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A 5 ' 8'' man with average looks but a good career trajectory and solid communication skills will have a far better time dating than a tall good looking man that cant communicate. So my best friend in high school was 6'2 and conventionally attractive but he was VERY shy. Even then, girls would make things very easy for him. They would approach him regularly, slide into his DMs, carry conversations if he was being dry. He was never short of girls' attention. Whether he accepted it or ran away fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:58 PM
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Everyone is a feminist until a terrible man is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:22 PM
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Everyone knows that. Now what does it take for them to give that consent? Debating that question is pretty much the whole point of this sub, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:33 PM
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Has it occurred to you that SMV can vary in different countries? For example in my parents' culture, men's looks aren't important (just to be neatly presented) and you just need to be financially successful. NGL, that's a wild statement either way. Just proves women do not like it when unattractive men act as sexual beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:20 PM
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Yeah so when I said "I wonder why...", I was obviously being sarcastic. Your comment, while true, wasn't needed. Kinda ruined the joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:17 PM
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Sarcasm is really lost on some people. Oh my.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:32 PM
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Surely you would hope that the more empathetic gender understands that anyone who receives hate is a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:00 PM
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I reject your rejection lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:52 AM
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Bro, there's no membership criteria. No one is "allowing" anything. You just start calling yourself a PPB, enough people catch on, and you create a subset. I'm sure plenty of moderate PPBs would reject those members if they could. Two X is full of women who despise porn, passport bros, revealingly dressed video game characters, etc because apparently it fuels male "entitlement" to women. We even see them here sometimes if you keep an eye out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:48 AM
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And I've seen guys with all of those categories (except maybe poor social skills) do perfectly well with women at home in the west. I wonder why...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:33 AM
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They're still part of passport bros You can't take the worst bits of a group and use it to generalise a whole group. Everyone knows those guys are in the wrong. We should be separating them from (for lack of a better term) "good-faith" passport bros. Who? A subset of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:31 AM
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I believe we call that victim-blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:24 AM
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Why are we excluding them? Because everyone knows that behaviour is wrong - no need to debate that. If you haven't noticed that women are far more prepared to stay single than men are, you haven't been paying attention. He's not talking about that. He's on about the same crowd who rejects passport bros, porn and pretty much anything that'd give men a sexual release.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:23 AM
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I know, haha. I was just being sarcastic based off her flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:52 AM
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I think his grandmother has the lens of when men had the "upper hand" when it came to dating/courting. Same type of person who says to girls: "Find a man who loves you and you'll grow to love him, rather than finding a man you love".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:46 AM
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Then that's not "becoming aware" is it? That's just getting desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:32 AM
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You're literally bisexual. You know this isn't how sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:22 AM
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Because an attractive 20-something is much more objectively attractive than an attractive 30/40-something. Age isn't forgiving on most people. Of course you can maintain a certain level of physical beauty but as you age, the less people around you who are beautiful. Also a factor of younger guys chasing MILFs for the experience of saying you've been with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:09 AM
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Meh. My mind is made up as far as my dating life goes. I just like debating the dating scene in general lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:16 AM
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Read that paragraph properly. She's actively connecting income equality with sexuality. Who thinks like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:11 AM
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Just feels a bit pointless (almost insulting) to get married in my 30s after my whole youth was wasted single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:10 AM
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Alpha fucks beta bucks, no? TBH a lot of us are kinda seeing girls' dating strategies and stuff and... it puts you off a little bit. We're all a bit terrified of being the stable relationship guy while she's really into other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:59 AM
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If this is the bar, you're still wasting my university years before I get to touch a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:52 AM
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I literally cannot think of one of my peers who would willingly date a middle-aged man. The ones that do are simply using the older guy's money on them and their real (same-aged) boyfriends. The whole "Gen Z girls are dating older guys" is a red pill fantasy to reward themselves for the "grind".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:50 AM
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Wait... so now I'm expected to finish my degree, earn more than the average woman, all the while work to improve my physical attractiveness (which has a low ceiling for me) before I'm allowed to touch a woman? Whatever happened to "it's the inside that counts"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:46 AM
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's always been the implicit social contract for men. You work hard and have a woman to go home to. It's why early societies regulated women's sexuality and enforced monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:43 AM
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because Gen Z men are less likely to be equals to Gen Z women [...] more gen Z women are lesbian or bi than ever before Who actually formulates this as a thought?!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:42 AM
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I don't espouse that view. I think dating someone you know is better. Just saying cold approach as a tactic isn't without its value.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:57 PM
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Well, you only know so many people. If you cold approach, you increase the number of prospects and statistically more people are likely to say yes. Again, the more attractive you are, the higher your success will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:48 PM
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Can you rephrase that? Do you mean "more of a success rate THAN"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:42 PM
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Meh. Rather stick to porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:34 PM
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I mean... if you play a sheer numbers game of cold approaching then statistically someone at some point will say yes? But if a less attractive man and a more attractive man ask out, for example, 100 women, the latter will have a greater %age of receptive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:32 PM
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Your flair is so real lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:29 PM
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Target women who are in the same ballpark I've never understood that line of thought. If I'm a 2 who wants 7s+, what makes you think 2/10 women want me just because they're 2/10? Why won't they be holding out for their dream 7/10+ man?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:28 PM
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Actually both of those places are fine. You just need to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:25 PM
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I like my own company but I have sexual desires. I can tell you that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:24 PM
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If they're unattractive, but benevolent, I think they deserve love They do. We have a special word for that love. It's called friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:18 PM
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It's really funny. Literally any time I've spoken to a girl, it's only a matter of time before "... so then my boyfriend..." 😂. I'm going to start counting how long it takes from now on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:01 PM
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I think it's more to do with the specific issue. Going to a professional to essentially tell me "you don't want a girlfriend" (which, let's face it, is what the end goal professes to be) seems... a bit gaslight-y to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:42 PM
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Yeah... Women's dating talking points make a lot more sense when you realise what men they have in mind when speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:26 AM
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You started a debate. "Shun" obviously means "criticise" in this context. And criticism is not what feeds into their popularity. It's people (like you) who'll continue sleep with them and only them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:35 AM
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I’ll admit I probably pay more attention to them because of their status/popularity Weren't you just lamenting that no one shuns promiscuous men somewhere else in another comment? How can you turn around and feed into their popularity and give them status? You should be the first person to ignore these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:24 AM
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Most* women. And, you know, general confusion when people give you a whole list of things to do before you can date, thereby wasting my whole youth before (according to Reddit) I am eligible to touch a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:21 AM
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It's in my best interests for women to have this preference. True I understand why women would want that for their offspring. All great until your son ends up in the middle or taking after his mother's height rather than yours. Source: Tall dad + short mum = me (short son)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:17 AM
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Somehow I think that's exactly the subset she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:04 AM
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I'm generally unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:48 AM
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What does it matter if you're successful?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:47 AM
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But then why should I improve my life in other areas when you simply won't date me for this one attribute? And yes you aren't the only woman in the world but enough of you won't date a 5'4 (or 5'5 like me) guy that it's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:43 AM
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Because you talk platonically with attractive and unattractive women, but only really talk to attractive men. It's like Elon Musk saying everyone he knows is a billionaire - well obviously because he is a billionaire who mixes with other rich people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:39 AM
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there’d likely be an honest answer that “reveals” how picky or inconsiderate of certain men she might be. Well girl talk is obviously different to what you say publicly. Your friend might fawn over a tall guy with you privately, then tell someone like me that height doesn't matter. I just want honesty, in the same way that I'd never tell a woman that weight doesn't matter. when these high standards are often met with success I think you should have high standards for that very reason - success. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:36 AM
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Honestly I'd believe this just based on how much my mother - who openly admits she married my dad just because he was 6'0 - shows off my brother's height.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:27 AM
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Ironic. Because the guys I know who do the best with women, have the most RP takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:21 AM
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Just based on what I've seen of other people. I've personally never dated/slept with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:14 AM
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They aren't. If I had the luxury of choice, I'd rather sleep around and then be alone once my looks start declining.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:12 AM
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You're right TBH. I'm 5'5 and have a sex life to match. It's *okay* not to date someone for a particular trait but I'd rather see some honesty about that. As for your 2nd point, I've always felt dating advice was never about getting a partner; it's just about keeping guys alive with the idea of a partner so their tax money keeps coming in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:03 AM
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Girls don't talk about their sex lives with me (thankfully I'm not the guy that gets vented to after the 50th break-up) so I probably wouldn't know even if we were friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:54 AM
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I have a strange feeling you're only seeing those men because you (and other women) actually notice them. You're simply not registering the undesirable men around you who aren't even getting a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:51 AM
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Maybe. I don't really see myself as part of the "sex-having" world, so I don't really see women as potential partners anymore. I'm sure she wouldn't be a great partner, but if we knew each other she might be a great friend, which is why I'm not going to make judgements of her whole character. I hope that somewhat makes sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:47 AM
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I'm trying to say that you, as an individual, form part of a wider pattern. I don't think you're a bad person. I don't even think being "shallow" is wrong (I too would like to be attracted to my partner and if I could, I'd probably be sleeping around unscrupulously even with taken women). It's when women, like you in this post, start denying these behaviours that men start to have issues. Most men would admit their "shallowness"; like I just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:16 AM
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Me and OP are both the same age and as for her question, I'd just like to leave a quote from her: The odds of me seeing a desirable man just walking down the street is like 1 in 20 Edit: She has also admitted to sleeping with a taken guy. The jokes write themselves... Ooh here's another one: I’m as shallow as they come. I grew up thinking I was ugly as shit, then as soon as I got attention from attractive men it’s like a switch flipped and now I don’t know how to settle
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:36 AM
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an ugly woman is outright ignored I honestly think ugly girls (of which there are very few in my life based on my standards of attractiveness) are easier to make friends with. You can be a fat man and still get attention from women ... Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:50 AM
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Wait... As someone who may well fall in the significantly shorter category, Do you mean "speak to" in the sense of dating, or not speaking to short men whatsoever for any reason? 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:47 AM
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Difference is, I don't deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:43 AM
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Maybe because up until relatively recently, the predominant dating advice (largely from women) was "it's what's on the inside that counts".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:42 AM
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Isn't this generally known? Women who pursue education and careers have less time or willingness to have children. I'd say this even applies to men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:58 PM
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I'm going to need you to speak more frankly 😭.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:44 PM
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I'm not against volunteering. I'm against telling men to volunteer as if it's the magic cure to healing the lack of a girlfriend. Homelessness as an issue is quite close to my heart. But I'm not sure I'd volunteer to play house with another man's kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:49 PM
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I haven't necessarily stated a view either way. Just clarifying the OP's position.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:39 PM
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I don't disagree but I think the hidden implication of the post is: if men help each other, they'll want a relationship less. Volunteering in its own right is good. Telling men to volunteer and "build community" or whatever to ease their want of a relationship is not, IMO, the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:38 PM
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I got the impression she wanted to know why guys don't volunteer at her youth group specifically. I agree with you absolutely but it was a relevant point to make given the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:13 AM
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Helped open my eyes to some things. Whether its advice works is thoroughly relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:00 AM
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It has helped in some respects. Admittedly reading this thread, your ex took it a bit too far. But it has helped too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:53 AM
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Nice straw man!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:27 AM
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IDK, man. I've seen guys do complete 180's because they got a girlfriend and she motivated them to be better. It's honestly astonishing how much a girlfriend can change someone. I'd probably do the same for mine if I ever got one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:23 AM
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Meh. I think there are definitely more guys going without relationships and a general trend of loneliness. Both have combined to create the term "male loneliness epidemic". The terms "single and lonely" often go hand-in-hand too so it's easy to see why it's used interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:10 AM
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I believe the line of thought here isn't saying that volunteering is a way to meet women. It's saying if men can't get women, to instead volunteer and lift each other up - build men's communities/groups rather than rely on women so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:59 AM
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Not really. Telling men to just "help each other" if they can't get relationships is a bit like giving a child a sticker after a tooth extraction and not giving them a piece of gauze.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:53 AM
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I don't see how wanting a girlfriend equates to volunteering though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:48 AM
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His comment sounded harsh but I can't fault him. I wanted to be a teacher at one point so I could help students like me but I was constantly ridiculed by people (usually guys but not always) about not choosing something with more money in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:45 AM
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Also want to add that men can be seen as weird for wanting to work with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 06:32 AM
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TBH I agree. Might be because I haven't had a proper job yet but I can't see how work is fundamentally different from dating a classmate in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:25 AM
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Might be career-dependent? I'm sure everyone's high school had a few teacher couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:16 AM
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