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It's crazy how accurate the show on Netflix "Sex/Life" is (woman marries and starts a family with a monogamous, checks every box HVM, but continues to thirst for, risk her marriage for, and is in love with another guy who gave her the best sex of her life and fucks other women)
/r/TheRedPill16/06/22 03:20 PM
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Because she's messing with other men. Hoes who aren't sloppy don't kiss on or in the mouth.
/r/seduction06/06/22 11:11 AM
34

You're basically beta orbiting unless you move on and talk to other women. Loving someone who doesn't feel the same will eventually become unhealthy for you.
/r/seduction06/06/22 02:30 AM
7

Spot-on. Dating apps are a saving grace for women who need validation and a rejuvenation in SMV. Average women get on there and suddenly have more attention than they could imagine. Most men on there are discounting themselves for a condensed and not as attractive dating pool of the women in their city while simultaneously competing with thousands of men. It can quickly become a waste of time. At bare minimum, if you're hellbent on use dating apps, they shouldn't be your bread and butter.
/r/TheRedPill06/06/22 01:19 AM
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If your standards are reasonable and supported by your current standing, then stick to them.
/r/seduction04/06/22 12:32 PM
2

Set standards and stick to them, value your time above anything, become someone in value who is worth qualifying for.
/r/seduction04/06/22 12:27 PM
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Ultimately, you want her to qualify for your attention. If it's the other way around, it doesn't work. If she's not doing that, then it's something about you or she is qualifying herself to another guy.
/r/seduction04/06/22 12:03 AM
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Because you have to realize that attractive women exist in abundance. There's nothing distinctly special about the one who you matched with or got a number from that's giving you dry conversation. If one doesn't meet your standards, you cut it, and get back out there.
/r/seduction03/06/22 11:55 PM
3

I literally just described what better off entails.
/r/seduction03/06/22 10:05 PM
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Ultimately, too many posts here are about men trying to qualify themselves to women instead of the other way around. You get a couple of dry texts max before I stop responding. Being comfortable cutting any woman off and having standards = better off. And you'll be surprised (not really) how many hit you back up afterwards. Mindset of abundance and indifference.
/r/seduction03/06/22 09:35 PM
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Women have more options than men. If you're uninteresting or you lack desirable things, they move on quickly Mindset of abundance Never confront a woman about how fast she's responding to texts. When you do that, you're confirming that you're needy. Just delete the number and cut her off. Too many of y'all here think you can negotiate attraction and it's just a waste of time. Guarantee you that once you get your own mindset of abundance and indifference, you'll be better off.
/r/seduction03/06/22 07:23 PM
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It's a sign to unmatch. Value your time and stop trying to negotiate attraction.
/r/seduction03/06/22 11:18 AM
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It's not really about being mysterious, because let's be honest...most people are going to sound dumb as fuck saying things they think sound "mysterious" and women will just think you're weird or inept. Its about being someone whose time and attention is valuable. Ultimately those two things are a part of what women want from a man. Have standards, make women qualify themselves to you, push back, have a mindset of abundance and indifference. Example: A woman can see on your IG that you do all of…
/r/seduction02/06/22 01:50 PM
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The thing about men is that even if you're below average in looks, you can make up for it in other ways to attract women: Getting in shape, having a great social game, high confidence, money, lifestyle, status, etc. So, you gotta find out which of those paths is attainable for you. Starting with social game and confidence is your best bet.
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:21 AM
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Text game is really not that necessary. Just use it for logistics. Trying to have full conversation over it is a waste of time. Keep it short. Callback to the first date, be direct with the next date (Let's go out again. We're going here, at this time, to do this)
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:17 AM
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Know your worth. Value your time over anything. Establish a mindset of abundance and indifference. Too many threads here where people act like the woman who's clearly wasting their time is the only attractive girl they'll ever meet and those people just get strung along.
/r/seduction01/06/22 12:24 PM
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Similar response when you posted this in another sub. It's unnecessary. I rarely reconfirm after the initial logistics. And when I did, it's a simple: "you still good for tomorrow?" Nothing more. If she says yes, hold her to it. If she flakes, charge it to the game and keep it pushing. You're always better off moving with a mindset of abundance and nonchalance. If you have to temperature check like this as a response to women who've stood you up or shown mild interest in you, you need to figure …
/r/TheRedPill30/05/22 04:39 PM
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Whoever has the least amount of interest has the most power
/r/TheRedPill30/05/22 01:00 PM
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You are literally in a sub dedicated to discussing the process of attracting women, advocating for putting effort into getting a social circle, in a thread advocating for getting women through a social circle. Yes... because it's a part of attracting women. If you're in a social circle with a few successful or like-minded men, you are going to meet women by proxy. It's not difficult to understand. It's a part of why people join fraternities in college. And you replied to someone saying that it's…
/r/seduction29/05/22 03:46 PM
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People don't want to hear it because they're afraid of getting out their comfort zone even more. More than half of the women I've messed with have been through social circles or by being in groups at events. Groups are among the easiest icebreakers you can have.
/r/seduction29/05/22 03:26 PM
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Or...you can do both. A social circle isn't just for getting women. Y'all sound young as shit.
/r/seduction29/05/22 03:15 PM
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If we're strictly discussing social circles, OP is spot-on. I wouldn't say disregard cold approach though. Whether it's for work, events, meeting women, utility, etc—social circles are how you can separate yourself from others and show value in more ways than one. If we're sticking purely to the visual it provides, women are definitely more interested in a group of men who are having a good time at a club, party, or bar, than isolated guys drinking by themselves. It makes attracting women easier…
/r/seduction29/05/22 03:02 PM
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God this sub has gone to shit. You realize how bloody difficult it is for some men to gain a social circle? If you’re not in college, If you don’t like your coworkers, if you’re shy, if you don’t connect with many people in events/clubs etc. what the hell is a man supposed to do at that point? Then you self improve to gain those things. Otherwise, you're just content living with excuses. So what if it's difficult? If you want it bad enough, then you'll figure it out.
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:53 PM
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Because it's not seductive. You're not bagging any women with weak shit like this lol.
/r/seduction28/05/22 10:10 PM
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I didn't say text for an hour. I'm saying you're handing out dates like water bottles to women who aren't interested, and that's why you have to double down by doing weird, passive stuff like this.
/r/seduction28/05/22 09:54 PM
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but I agree with you, if you have great convo and filter them out properly then you wouldn’t need to use this text strategy So....maybe that's what you should be doing instead of this.
/r/seduction28/05/22 08:43 PM
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Text. Use some sort of callback to your initial encounter. Set up logistics to link up again. End.
/r/seduction28/05/22 06:33 PM
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You're not missing anything. I don't know anyone who's had to do what the OP does before a date. I guess it could be useful if you're taking women out who you know aren't interested in you. But then again...why are you asking those women out on dates in the first place?
/r/seduction28/05/22 06:32 PM
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If you think a woman is either: A. Using you for a free meal B. Going to stand you up C. Isn't that interested in you D. All of the above ....then why did you ask her out to begin with? This shit isn't necessary if you've screened the women you ask out on dates to know if they're legitimately interested in you. I've never had to do any of what the OP is talking about before a date. This thread having so many upvotes is wild. If y'all really do this shit...😂
/r/seduction28/05/22 06:24 PM
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You should already be doing that before you set up a date. Usually, if anyone needs to change up the time, they'll reach out. But if you really feel the itch to ask just say "You still good for tomorrow night?" That's all.
/r/seduction28/05/22 01:17 PM
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"We talk about him a lot behind his back" "I plan to tell m'lady how I truthfully feel about her" 😂 Shit down bad af
/r/seduction28/05/22 12:51 PM
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😂😂😂 Y'all gotta stop giving women so much benefit of the doubt. If a woman has more guy friends than women, she's fucking them.
/r/seduction28/05/22 12:48 PM
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You're really overthinking it.
/r/seduction28/05/22 12:44 PM
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You've already reached simp level. You're not getting this girl. Just save yourself the inevitable outcome.
/r/seduction28/05/22 12:42 PM
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If you're a regular person trying to hook up with average women, then I don't think it matters if your IG is lame and you just have 300 followers or something. Average followers for men and women is in the 100s. Just make sure you don't have weird pictures. If you're using IG to hook up with women who get a lot of attention in bigger cities, then a trash IG page will immediately disqualify you, because these women want men who are extremely social and have a lot of followers. So if you're trying…
/r/seduction28/05/22 02:12 AM
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You're thinking too much. Just go talk to her. This isn't the last hot woman you'll see in your life.
/r/seduction27/05/22 01:43 PM
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I'm not talking about the chances of getting a number. Statistically, your chances of getting any woman through cold approach are not high. You're asking whether you should change your approach because she's hot, and the answer is no. There's nothing special about being hot. Even women who aren't hot are still attracted to the same things: Money, lifestyle, confidence, charisma, masculinity, etc.
/r/seduction27/05/22 01:29 PM
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There's nothing rare or special about being "super hot". There's beautiful women in every city. Your approach shouldn't change. She's a regular person until she proves otherwise.
/r/seduction27/05/22 01:25 PM
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Most of the younger people in here will never get it, and they'll keep sweating bullets over what to text women. Limit texting and stop being pressed over responding right away, especially if you just met the girl. Your attention and time is valuable. The less you give them up front, the better.
/r/seduction27/05/22 11:50 AM
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The thing is.... you don't have to say anything. Actions speak louder than words. Get her number, link up, and move accordingly.
/r/seduction24/05/22 12:52 PM
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Yep. Someone did a thread on it recently. Nothing new, but shows in depth everything behind the 80/20 rule and why most men are wasting their time on dating apps: https://twitter.com/sternzac/status/1528477218606829568 Most men are competing for the bottom 20% of women on apps and don't get many matches in general despite swiping right on the majority of women on the app.
/r/seduction24/05/22 12:47 PM
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Been saying it for the longest... Dating apps are a condensed pool of the women in your city. And it's not even the most attractive women locally. If you rely on it as your primary and secondary, you're selling yourself short on the quality of women you will meet by chance or through cold approach. Plus, the chances of you getting with these women off a human interaction are better than a dating profile.
/r/seduction24/05/22 12:32 PM
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Stick to real life dating. If you aren't extremely good looking, your picture game sucks and/or you don't have a good IG profile, you'll never really be able to succeed consistently with online dating. Online dating is a small group of women selecting from a large group of men.
/r/seduction19/05/22 04:14 PM
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You very easily could be. I'm the same way. I hate dating apps, but in person everything is much easier. It's easier to read people, get humor off, and it doesn't feel forced.
/r/seduction19/05/22 03:21 PM
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He's pulling them initially off a profile, not human interaction. He's not socially clueless, but there's a significant difference.
/r/seduction19/05/22 03:19 PM
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Some dialogue works better in a text where you only have an IG or dating profile as your reference vs Having a legitimate human interaction with someone as your reference Plus, maybe those women have relationships and were just being nonconfrontational. Whereas with a dating app, typically everyone on there is single and looking. There's plenty of reasons to explain it potentially.
/r/seduction19/05/22 11:08 AM
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Because with online dating, you have a profile of pictures and information that artificially show you at your absolute best. Then you're hiding behind messages that you have an infinite amount of time to think about before you send. In person, you don't have any of that and you are in your most natural and vulnerable form, which may not be as good as your profile. It's just two different worlds. I know a bunch of people who are Kings on dating apps, but suck at approaching women.
/r/seduction19/05/22 10:57 AM
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Ruling out day game limits your options significantly, especially if you live in a big city. You can literally meet women anywhere. Grocery store, restaurants, breweries, bars, gym, festivals, etc. You just have to go do it.
/r/seduction17/05/22 11:35 AM
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It's not enough to just be like "I make six figures, let's fuck." It's not that straightforward unless you're extremely rich or wealthy. You still have to have a backbone of traits that women desire outside of that; otherwise, you're just a meal ticket. So, while money does improve life and can improve your dating prospects, you have to move differently and get better at vetting women to be with you. Your focus for now just needs to be on getting out your parents spot and moving to a better city…
/r/seduction17/05/22 03:10 AM
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Guys should lead, take initiative and confidently show desire without fearing the outcome. You can't negotiate attraction or desire. Taking the lead only matters with women who are interested in you. Develop a mindset of abundance and move on from women who are being flaky. If a woman wants to link up with you, she won't need you to remind her. She'll seek it out.
/r/seduction14/05/22 09:45 PM
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If a woman is interested in you, it won't be difficult to link up with her. She's not interested in you. She's just bad at rejection and being passive and nonconfrontational as a result. Just dead it.
/r/seduction14/05/22 04:56 PM
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Repetition builds confidence
/r/seduction14/05/22 11:41 AM
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Delete the number and move on. Stop trying to negotiate desire and attraction with women. If she really wanted to go out with you, she wouldn't need a reminder.
/r/seduction14/05/22 11:39 AM
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Y'all gotta stop making posts like this. If she isn't responding to your messages, she's not interested. You can't force someone to like you.
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:28 AM
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Repetition builds confidence. Remember that. It's like basketball. How can you expect to become a good player if you're afraid of missing shots and having bad games? The more you shoot, the better your confidence is and you become used to different social situations. The people who become impervious to rejection and failure will always succeed in the long run.
/r/seduction12/05/22 01:47 PM
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The guys that don’t do well on online dating don’t do that well in person too. This isn't even remotely true. Being good at online dating and cold approach are completely different dynamics (obviously) and skills. Online, you're trying to frame the highest highs of your looks, personality, and lifestyle to hundreds of women simultaneously. It also helps when you have a great Instagram. There are plenty of guys who are awful at this, but have their shit together and get women in person. In person…
/r/seduction09/05/22 11:17 AM
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Stop chasing women. You can't negotiate desire.
/r/seduction09/05/22 11:04 AM
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Jack Harlow without money and fame is a regular guy. He's not some groundbreaking development for pulling women
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:13 AM
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😂😂 You don't have to promote that you're out with another girl. Just live your life. I don't know anyone that does this "Wait hold up. Record me and her real quick. I gotta make sure the girl I like sees this on IG." 😂😂
/r/seduction09/05/22 03:08 AM
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This thread is not about asking a girl out as soon as you meet her. A reasonable amount of time is the obvious qualifier in the OPs post.
/r/seduction07/05/22 10:42 AM
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Of course the context is a reasonable amount of time of talking to a woman. It's not a situation of approaching a girl at the store and asking her out for dinner on the spot.
/r/seduction06/05/22 02:42 PM
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Yes and no. Unlike men, most women need some time to figure out if you're attractive to them. Then she's not interested. You can't negotiate desire or attraction. If a woman is interested in you, it will not take long for you to see that. Point blank. "Do you want to go out" Yes. "Do you want to go to a movie" Hell yes. If it's "Do you want to go to dinner" Maybe, but... Well, you see... I might be busy.. She's not interested and/or she's only considering going out with you for the attention and…
/r/seduction06/05/22 01:55 PM
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Knowing who you are, what you want, and not being afraid to communicate that upfront or at anytime to women is most desirable. There are mfs out here who are chill af and mind their business, but they are direct, confident, social and know the game. So, it's never a matter of "should I be nice or an asshole".
/r/seduction06/05/22 11:09 AM
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😂 She's being a stripper. She's done this to plenty of men before.
/r/seduction06/05/22 11:05 AM
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Solid af. "You can't negotiate desire." If you ask women out or invite them along to do something with you, and it's not "yes" or "hell yeah" then keep it pushing.
/r/seduction06/05/22 11:02 AM
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The most confident people are very social because they are comfortable with the judgment and results of anything they say or do, whether it's something positive or controversial. If that makes them assholes, then it is what it is. If you can accept those things, then you'll gain confidence. If you can't, then you'll typically find yourself people pleasing and only saying things that sound good to other people.
/r/seduction04/05/22 12:15 PM
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Only compliment women you're in a relationship with or if you're progressing that way with them. Gassing randoms does nothing for you. Women get complimented on their looks daily. You're not saying anything special.
/r/seduction04/05/22 12:10 PM
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You don't have to be high value to brush off rejection If you have options, then a single rejection is a drop in the ocean If you understand that it's a numbers game, then it doesn't bother you either. Just stop platforming every cute woman you meet. Cute women are a dime a dozen.
/r/seduction04/05/22 12:04 PM
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It's better to see it than to hear it. If a girl sees you out at a bar with another girl, then good. If you tell her you're going to the bar with another girl, then bad.
/r/seduction02/05/22 03:36 PM
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What do you gain by doing that? She's not your girlfriend. It's a terrible move.
/r/seduction02/05/22 01:18 PM
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Stop acting like this girl is anything special and just tell her you're a full time streamer and eSports player.
/r/seduction02/05/22 12:14 PM
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Being high value is largely a combination of hitting a threshold of 6 figures (120K+ for 3-5 years), having a network of HVM who acknowledge you as high value, and a high level of visibility in terms of people knowing who you are. Most men will never be high value.
/r/seduction02/05/22 04:02 AM
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Being obsessed with career and making it is basically a nice guy strategy to get girls that doesn't work. Your job or money doesn't really matter (at least not to most girls), it's really about how confident and alpha you are. Stopped reading here. You do realize that you can have all of that right? The choice has never been "focus on your career or focus on your confidence and becoming an alpha." Most men who have to learn how to be an alpha will never actually become one. You either have it or…
/r/seduction02/05/22 03:47 AM
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You're wasting your time. Bartenders and bottle girls literally get paid for being friendly, conversational, and flirtatious to customers. She has definitely had a bunch of people like you try to escalate it past that and this is how she handles it. Keep it moving.
/r/seduction02/05/22 03:37 AM
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😂 Re-read your original post. Exercise was not a reason. Nobody goes back home to get a backpack for that. Good luck to you, but just free game...you really need to reevaluate your process.
/r/seduction14/04/22 02:07 PM
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Day game isn't weird. It's probably the best way to meet quality women, especially as you get older and leave the club scene. The context in which you are doing it at a college campus you have no other reason to be at...is weird. On top of it, your social skills are a work in progress too. Immediately jumping into high volume cold approach isn't going to help you with that. The entire process is just backwards.
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:43 PM
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And again, I don’t understand your logic. Most people in downtown areas are there to either work or shop, not to cold approach. They don’t expect to be approached, it would be just as weird trying to approach a woman on her way to/from work in a city center. It would also be weird to cold approach a woman at the beach, considering that usually they’re there with friends/family and are in vulnerable easily objectified bathing suits. Cold approaching at a beach is extremely normal. What I'm saying…
/r/seduction14/04/22 01:22 PM
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Usually people who are on campus to socialize and don't actually go to that school have a reason to be there. They're with a friend who goes there, or they are interviewing for a job, or promoting something, etc. So, it's organic. When you start talking to a girl there and she asks you what you're doing on campus, you're 100% going to lie. Read your post again. You went back home to get a backpack so you didn't look weird. You know it's creepy, but you want to justify it anyway. There are simply…
/r/seduction14/04/22 12:48 PM
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General rule of thumb for dating apps is that if you meet any woman on there, she's already entertaining multiple men. It sounds like you care more than she does which is a bad mix for you starting a conversation about exclusivity. The person who cares the least always has the most power. So, your conversation will likely lead to the end of what y'all are doing because you will come across as needy and pressed. She clearly isn't trying to be in a relationship with you right now. But if you reall…
/r/seduction14/04/22 12:32 PM
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If you're on a college campus strictly to cold approach, then it's weird as shit. Even more cringe that you went and got a backpack to blend in like some undercover detective. There are other ways to meet women that don't involve being a creep. But it you're hellbent on meeting women at this college, then go to a college bar in the area. It will be much more normal and you actually have a legitimate reason to be there.
/r/seduction14/04/22 12:15 PM
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You stop responding and delete the number or unmatch Value your time and stop trying to impress women who don't want you.
/r/seduction14/04/22 12:09 PM
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Plusses: You know the game inside out, you know exactly what you're looking for, and you likely make more money or have achieved larger status. Cons: See above. Knowing so much is a gift and a curse, because you are looking for something specific. When you're younger, you don't really know what you want. You just get in situations and relationships if it's fun. In your 30s, you value you your time more. But, unfortunately you are going to meet more women who are very stubborn, masculine, have ch…
/r/seduction06/04/22 07:41 PM
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Truth. A lot of people who make threads here would just benefit from common sense. Saw some dude here tell a guy to make a woman touch his heart as a part of a cold approach script 😂😂 Some people on Reddit gonna get yall embarrassed.
/r/seduction06/04/22 07:34 PM
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Just be yourself. You can't fake a personality
/r/seduction01/04/22 03:37 AM
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This same thread gets posted daily literally word for word and the solution remains the same. If you wanted to become an actor, would you only practice acting when you're on a movie set with the cameras rolling? If you wanted to become a singer, would you only practice your voice in front of an audience at an arena? The problem is that you and many others only choose to be social when you're cold approaching women. And to top it off, you're extremely outcome dependent. It's the most ass backward…
/r/seduction27/03/22 06:02 PM
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Now ask yourself why there are plenty of men out here pulling quality women without touching a weight or having abs. Getting in shape is a part of the solution, but it doesn't carry you.
/r/seduction27/03/22 04:17 AM
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Oneitis. Stop reaching out to her. Move on.
/r/seduction26/03/22 10:18 PM
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Be more social without specific outcomes in mind. Talk to anyone. Keep cold approaching
/r/seduction26/03/22 08:20 PM
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If your only moments of being social are when you cold approach, then you're putting way too much stress on yourself. It's like if you wanted to be a singer, but the only time you practice is in front of an audience in an arena. You would shit the bed each time. Like the other user said...you have to get in the habit of becoming social brick by brick. You don't have to be the life of the room, but just talk to people without any outcome in mind. The more social you are, the more cold approach is…
/r/seduction26/03/22 01:17 PM
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The sad part is there a bunch of people on here encouraging it to people who are very inexperienced in cold approach or bad at holding conversation. Someone keeps telling people to tell women that they take feet pics for Only fans as an example 😂 Must be advice for teenagers People just haven't figured out the art of being funny without having to try to be funny.
/r/seduction26/03/22 01:09 PM
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If they're dead weighting conversation with non responses and you're actually saying shit with substance, then...walk away. The person who cares the least has the most power and by staying, you are conceding that and basically being desperate to possibly fuck someone who clearly doesn't want you. Charge it to the game and keep it pushing
/r/seduction26/03/22 04:06 AM
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You're on the right train of thought and it's perfect for day game. A lot of people who struggle with cold approach are unsurprisingly not very social. When you add the fact that they're starving for outcomes, it's an awful combination for success. So, naturally a part of the solution....is to be social. Small shit helps. Start from the ground up. Consistently greet the people who work at grocery stores. Initiate the conversation with people who serve your food. Chat up people at your gym. Ask s…
/r/TheRedPill26/03/22 03:55 AM
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Not a surprise. Guys who aren't pressed for outcomes typically do better when it comes to pulling at clubs, parties, etc. The guys who go to clubs and are pressed for results will gas every cute girl in the club up and frankly look desperate. Women are going to be more interested when they see a group of men having a great time and being social without them.
/r/seduction26/03/22 03:43 AM
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I really hope y'all aren't going on multiple dates saying "My job? Hurrrrr durrrrr I'm a male stripper!!" Just tell the girl your job and find better spots for humor in the conversation.
/r/seduction26/03/22 03:37 AM
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First off, competing for women is something you should never do. Stop belittling yourself mentally for random women. They're attractive, but...so the fuck what? You have to normalize each woman in your mind until they prove they're something different. The other problem is that you generally need to be more social. You have anxiety approaching women because of you marginalizing yourself internally to them, and because the only times you're social are when you want to cold approach. If you want t…
/r/seduction26/03/22 03:30 AM
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You should try being yourself instead of letting a message board tell you who you are. It's not sustainable, which is why you're struggling.
/r/seduction26/03/22 03:19 AM
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I mean... if it works for you, cool. There's better ways to get jokes off in a conversation though. Stuff like that feels too forced.
/r/seduction26/03/22 03:15 AM
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It's always better to keep expectations low and have adaptable intentions. You may want a relationship, but there may be something else that's just as beneficial for the time being. Save your expectations for women who have earned them and don't push a relationship on every woman who you catch a vibe with. For your situation, you've been on 3 dates. Usually in that 3-4 date range, you should invite her to your place. If something physical comes from that, then it's worth continuing. If not, then…
/r/seduction22/03/22 03:19 AM
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I don't see a problem asking for a number. Women who are legitimately interested (and not being nonconfrontational) will give you their number. If they're giving you anything else, then they are screening you or guarded.
/r/seduction22/03/22 03:06 AM
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It's always better to be in groups at a club, especially a black club. Anytime I got play, being in a group helped. Women are more interested in a group of decent looking, well dressed guys who look like they're having a great time rather than some guy by himself. Best advice I can give you is to not take it seriously. Just dance, get some drinks going and have fun. If you see women dancing around you, pull up and dance with them. You might get rejected a few times, but it's all a part of it. Do…
/r/seduction22/03/22 02:50 AM
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Also, you are at least guaranteed to talk to every woman you approach. Even if you go 2-20, you talked to all 20 of them. You don't get that with dating apps. Most people are swiping on women who they will not see again.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/22 12:57 AM
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However, if you meet those same women on the streets and ask them out on a date, they'll be more willing to go... even though you may be average-looking. Why? Because she met you in real life and she can FEEL you out better than by going off of a picture and some text in the bio. This is the one. It's why the typical guy is immediately discounting themselves the second they sign up for a dating app. You are lowering your odds for a smaller and not as attractive group of women on an app where wom…
/r/TheRedPill21/03/22 02:50 AM
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Solution: Stop texting and meet up in person or call them. Your joke goes over better in both of those scenarios. As a text, it's too try hard. You're damn near explaining the joke to her before the punchline. It sucks. If you're hellbent on texting to get jokes over, shorten your joke to: "Volleyball? At least there's a net to protect the other side from you." Something along those lines.
/r/seduction20/03/22 06:20 PM
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Lol, this is an awful line. You already have their attention with the tattoos. Why are you hustling backwards with a pickup line on top of it?
/r/seduction20/03/22 03:45 PM
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Exactly. The more social you are, the less outcome dependent you are on being social specifically to get a number that night. When people see you and your group having fun that attracts them to you. Whenever I used to go to the club, that's how me and my people would pull.
/r/seduction19/03/22 05:50 PM
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Looks matter, but you can only control so much of that. You have 100% control of how social you are wherever you go. I keep saying it, but if you are someone who is contemplating cold approach...start at the base level of being social. When you go to the store, greet the employees who are there. Make one off observations to people in line. Ask people at a restaurant what they normally get. Ask for the opinion of someone at a clothing store. Ask someone at the gym to critique your form. I could g…
/r/seduction19/03/22 05:43 PM
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That's textbook. Honestly, you can break it down into 2 parts: Never give her more than what she's accepting from other men for less. There's a lot of women doing that on the dating market. You gotta recognize it. If you fail at that, but you're still pursuing her like you're on a game show, then you'll be her "do-for". IE, you'll "do for" now. The guy she calls up for validation, attention, time, and dates, but not the guy who she's in bed with who's getting more emotional reactions out of her.
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:19 PM
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Be social wherever you go. Go out with groups. Meet people. The core of everything (outside of looks and money) is the social aspect.
/r/seduction19/03/22 02:03 PM
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Most men in their 20s are broke and still figuring shit out. Your 30s are your 20s with more money, stability, and wisdom. You have your shit together and since women typically date at their age or higher, older men are in prime position and have a wider dating pool. There's more than looks involved as the reason
/r/seduction19/03/22 03:25 AM
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They are pressed
/r/seduction19/03/22 01:09 AM
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You can literally do day game anywhere. Like the other person said, go to places you have to be at, to do shit you have to do. Going places strictly to spit game seems too pressed for an outcome
/r/seduction18/03/22 07:31 PM
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I never go anywhere with the intent of spitting game. It just happens in the moment. I always ensure that I'm going somewhere for my own enjoyment or necessity primarily. As far as rejection goes, you just have to learn to live with it. It happens to everyone. You won't make every shot in a basketball game and every swing won't be a home run. You're going to brick and you're going to whiff. If you accept that mindset, it can never throw you off your game.
/r/seduction18/03/22 03:37 AM
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100%. Ultimately they hold you back more than they help you. Dating apps create a warped reality for women, because of the high volume of men on the apps, and the low volume of women. So, it gives them an absurd amount of control and forces any man who isn't in the upper echelon of looks to discount himself on the app. The quality and quantity of woman you meet increases significantly without apps, as do your chances of pulling one of them. I always say this but if you swipe right on 20 women on…
/r/seduction18/03/22 03:30 AM
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Just get her number and get to her later unless you're really pressed to smash same night
/r/seduction18/03/22 03:18 AM
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Eating out jumpoffs is crazy. Don't do that shit unless it's your girl/wife.
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:44 AM
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Yet, I had a great time while she was there, and not calling her kind of bothers me, cause I don't want her to feel disrespected or upset You're overthinking it. Some women know what it is. Just because you exchanged numbers, doesn't mean you have to hit her back up. Just don't do anything. Let it ride.
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:41 AM
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If you're approaching a girl, she already knows you're attracted to her. Complimenting her on looks is unnecessary
/r/seduction16/03/22 02:36 AM
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Sounds like you don't have her attention, so I'd just keep it moving
/r/seduction15/03/22 01:27 PM
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Get a number. Give it a few days. Hit her up with direct plans to link. That's it. Stop texting so much when you get a number. Whatever you're doing, it's dry. Just be more efficient. If she's not trying to meet up, dead the number.
/r/seduction15/03/22 03:26 AM
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Stop texting and see her in person Trying to do so much through text is not productive. You want to make the in person interaction great, that way if you are hellbent on texting so much, everything will flow easier because you have those experiences to use.
/r/seduction15/03/22 03:20 AM
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It sounds like you didn't have any of her attention, which is the most important part here. Her saying no was probably a combination of her being busy and not being attracted to you off quick glance. So, if that's the case, just keep it moving. Like I said, you can get numbers while they're working, but it depends on the job and having their attention.
/r/seduction14/03/22 01:50 AM
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It just depends on the job. If they're really busy, it's not the best time to do it. She was busy, and your approach was bad. Being straight to the point is a last resort or something you use in clubs, but not something you want to rely on, especially writing something down on a napkin.
/r/seduction14/03/22 01:38 AM
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Dating apps are where 80% of women (small group) are swiping right on the top 20% of men in looks (large group). You can get play on dating apps, but if you're not extremely good looking, you won't be able to maximize it. Women have hundreds to thousands of matches on there. You have a better chance of getting with better looking women through cold approach or socially through friends.
/r/seduction13/03/22 05:33 PM
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If y'all haven't done anything after the 3rd date, absolutely no later than the 4th date, then it's a waste of time. 2 dates isn't an alarm. It sounds like a mix of she has lukewarm interest in you and you aren't closing well.
/r/seduction13/03/22 05:25 PM
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It's possible to be friendly and still approach dates in the way you need to romantically for women to become interested in you. There's a grey area you have to live in. Being friendly doesn't necessarily mean being overly nice or something. Think of it as being social. A lot of times, the most friendly people are the most social people in the room. They can converse with damn near anyone and keep a conversation alive in different ways. That's how you should view friendliness. You just have to m…
/r/seduction13/03/22 02:17 PM
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This is how you do it. You went out to be social and you weren't outcome dependent on anything else. You acted on conversations and interactions naturally without overthinking it. It's a great approach, especially for people reading your post who are struggling hard with social/approach anxiety. The more you do things like this, the easier it is to talk to anyone in any situation. Being social is the core part of it all.
/r/seduction13/03/22 02:09 PM
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You want the ball in your court. Whether she flakes or not, you at least know that you reached out to her. That way you're not left wondering"damn, what happened to that girl I gave my number to at the bar last week?"
/r/seduction13/03/22 03:08 AM
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Online dating is the reason here. Before you match with any woman, she's already entertaining several men, and you're going to get lost in the shuffle if you aren't better looking than her top choices. Shit happens. Texting for logistics only in the beginning is still the correct move.
/r/seduction13/03/22 03:04 AM
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It doesn't mean you should go to a club with a woman as your wing; it just means that if women see that other women want you, they are going to be more interested in why that is, and as a result will be attracted to you. When men have a wife or a girlfriend, they're more unapologetic and natural instead of being try hards. They aren't paying attention to other women like they used to or doing shit to impress anyone, and that also makes women more interested.
/r/seduction13/03/22 02:55 AM
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Meeting women in real life will build better character in the long run. Dating apps have a shelf life and aren't going to be great if you're not extremely attractive. Try breaking out of your shell to see what happens.
/r/seduction12/03/22 10:26 PM
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When you go out, focus more on having a good time with your people instead of being outcome-dependent on women. If you're constantly obsessing over getting ONS and SNLs, your chances are going to go down significantly.
/r/seduction12/03/22 12:42 AM
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I wouldn't have answered. Would've said something like "Clearly you miss me though." "No you don't." "Why do you miss me?" Anything to spin it back on them.
/r/seduction10/03/22 11:25 PM
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You said it yourself "too many conversations." You're talking too much. The best way to balance multiple women is by limiting conversations to in-person. No texting unless it's logistics. Otherwise, you're just going to be replying all day to multiple women, which is a chore. If you're only interested in sex, then say exactly that. Be as direct as possible so nothing gets confused.
/r/seduction10/03/22 11:18 PM
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Honestly, I wouldn't think too much about what stage y'all are in. You haven't even met her, so you don't know how y'all rock in person. But, you definitely need to figure out the meetup part. Otherwise, she'll probably get bored.
/r/seduction09/03/22 01:09 AM
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If y'all are communicating regularly, then yes.
/r/seduction09/03/22 01:00 AM
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If you've gone out on a few dates with a woman and y'all are still communicating on that level, then you're in a talking stage. 4 months is reasonable. Though, if you're in your 30s and up, you're going to meet more women who aren't interested in "talking" that long.
/r/seduction09/03/22 12:56 AM
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Whatever you do, please don't tell a woman you “find her so cute, that it makes you crazy” or “she is such a cutie, it makes your pulse accelerate." That shit is so cringe.
/r/seduction09/03/22 12:45 AM
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Curve. Stop responding. Stop giving her attention.
/r/seduction07/03/22 12:33 PM
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Money can give you a bump, but it's all about social status, lifestyle, visibility, how you market yourself, and your network. Money creates a path to that, but it doesn't automatically give you that. It's the difference between high earning (you) and high value. The people whose game improves because of high value are people who women will immediately know. Whether it's through social circles, online visibility, network, etc. Just being a random guy who makes $140K a year can get you laid, but …
/r/seduction07/03/22 12:28 PM
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Yep. This is why I never understand why so many people here are hellbent on texting women 24/7. The less communication to start, the better. Use texting for logistics. You can text more if she becomes more meaningful to you, but even then, avoid constant communication through text. It becomes a chore and makes you look too available.
/r/seduction07/03/22 03:54 AM
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You do it by building a mindset and a lifestyle that isn't dependent on a woman. Too many guys on here are needy and constantly seeking validation and approval from women and giving them all the leverage in transactions. Too many guys sit around thinking of ways to get women instead of thinking of ways for women to get them. When you do things like this, you start to become more practical about each woman you meet. You aren't building them up to be better than you in your mind when you approach.…
/r/seduction07/03/22 12:06 AM
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Honestly, it's never been something that people always did at high volume. I think the rise of dating apps only validate those who don't do it. I think the overwhelming reasons are that some guys are intimidated, don't have the confidence, or fear rejection/humiliation. On the flip side, I've dated and talked to plenty of women who say they get approached with some regularity and that they welcome it as long as they are attracted, the guy is respectful and isn't a creep/weirdo. It's why I always…
/r/seduction06/03/22 09:49 PM
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Start being more social in different settings, not just when you're doing cold approach. When you're at the grocery store, when you're standing in line for something, at the gym, anywhere. Doesn't matter who it is. Make an observation, make a joke, anything. Stuff like that will get you more comfortable with being social and create a mindset that any woman you approach is just another person you're talking to. As far as openers, being as direct as possible is only logical if you are extremely go…
/r/seduction06/03/22 05:31 PM
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Like I said... right idea, but re-read your post. Increasing volume is not the top thing you need to do. Your process is not good.
/r/seduction06/03/22 01:58 PM
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My thinking is that if you want something, you have to deliberately take initiative to make it happen. For some things, absolutely. But you are not good enough at cold approach to set yourself up as outcome dependent right now. You need to do it more, but you need to fix your process first. Because from what you described, you are not comfortable or used to being social. Address that first.
/r/seduction06/03/22 01:45 PM
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We give each other what we want ...that's a transaction. Keeping score or not doesn't change that.
/r/TheRedPill06/03/22 01:16 PM
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You're placing too much focus on outcome instead of process. You have the right idea to continue approaching, but instead of going somewhere to specifically approach, go somewhere that you have to be at, and if an attractive woman happens to be there, then go talk to her.
/r/seduction06/03/22 01:00 PM
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Not exactly new information. Most people are spitting game at night, so it makes sense. Day game is great, especially as you hit your late 20s/early 30s and have no desire to do the club scene anymore. You meet more quality women while going to places that you have to be at.
/r/seduction06/03/22 12:55 PM
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You can't pretend to be a player, and you can't pretend to be monogamous. Eventually, you'll settle into who you really are. If you're not a player, don't try to be one.
/r/seduction06/03/22 12:48 PM
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It doesn't take women long to know if they are physically attracted to a man and if they would have sex with them. Cold approach isn't about convincing a woman to like you through conversation; it's about seeing if she shares your interest and closing the deal. No amount of conversation is going to compensate for a lack of physical attraction.
/r/seduction05/03/22 09:18 PM
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Men value sex more than commitment; women value commitment more than sex. Hence, each side can gatekeep what they view as more valuable to the other. If a woman makes sex difficult to get, a man makes a relationship hard to obtain and vice versa. Dating is transactional.
/r/TheRedPill05/03/22 08:55 PM
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You didn't even have to utilize anything related to blue pill or black pill or anything. Dating apps: Where 80% of women are swiping on the Top 20% of men in looks.
/r/seduction05/03/22 03:39 PM
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Being high value doesn't mean a lot if you're not social and your visibility is low. Ultimately you have to work on becoming more social to lower your anxiety when cold approaching. The more you become used to just being a social person, the less nerves you have when cold approaching. Why? Because in your mind, you're just talking to another person without any expected outcome. Just get used to making small talk with people each day. Grocery store, gym, restaurant, in line somewhere, etc. Otherw…
/r/seduction05/03/22 03:32 PM
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Weed? No. Alcohol? Yes, but not to the point that you're sloppy drunk. The only thing alcohol does is make you not give a fuck even more, which is pretty notable. So, you think less, and you just take action and say the things that are on your mind. You're also more social, which is big for making people gravitate towards you. That said, I would not become reliant on alcohol for game. You can do the above with or without it.
/r/seduction05/03/22 03:21 PM
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Happens all the time. If you go out in groups to bars, clubs, lounges, festivals, etc., it's much easier to attract women. They see you're being social and having a good time (and you're decent-looking at least), and they're interested in doing the same. One of my longest relationships started that way. Obviously your chances go up if you have money and you're really, really good looking, but you don't have to be to attract women at a bar.
/r/seduction04/03/22 06:52 PM
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That's all you have to do. Worst case,, if you can't think of anything special to say, just approach, be confident, and be direct. Too many people here are under some impression that you have to chat someone up for an hour to get a number. Good job.
/r/seduction04/03/22 06:48 PM
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Start by introducing yourself and see what happens. Sometimes natural conversation skills will takeover. Even if you can't think of anything immediately, you should still approach them. Or, introduce yourself, and just get straight to the point.
/r/seduction04/03/22 12:48 PM
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It's normal if you're not used to doing it, you aren't used to being a social person in public, or if you allow your mind the time to build a woman up to be higher than you (ex: you take an hour to approach a woman you see at a bar) Try talking to more people in public without an outcome in mind. Make small talk, compliment someone, make an observation, ask a question, etc. The more you do stuff like that, the more cold approach feels like just another conversation.
/r/seduction04/03/22 11:43 AM
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Depends on how much you drink and what kind of drunk you are. Your friend sounds like the kind of drunk women don't want to be around. The only advantage alcohol gives you is an increase in the ability to not give a fuck. You take more action than thought. You're more direct than passive. So, it can be useful, but you don't have to get drunk to have this ability.
/r/seduction04/03/22 11:35 AM
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You don't need to do any of that. Instead, just make her laugh verbally here and there
/r/seduction04/03/22 11:30 AM
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This is the way. You're getting it very quickly. Sounds like your process is solid and your confidence is high. Those are the most important things here. You can't control women giving out their number nonconfrontationally or the ones who "have" boyfriends. Eventually you'll start getting more hits.
/r/seduction03/03/22 04:30 PM
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Look, I don't know any dude who had to take classes or learn how to dance to get play at a club. It's not that deep. Just have some confidence, spot a woman, and pull up behind her or in front and ride the beat. You'll get turned down sometimes, but that's how the game goes. A dance is the easiest path to a number. It's a club. It's your opportunity to be as direct as possible with conversation. Women expect men to approach them. Keep convo short. Introduce yourself, and tell them what you want.…
/r/seduction03/03/22 01:09 PM
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If you're pressed to find a relationship from cold approaching, then you'll make it harder on yourself by becoming purely outcome dependent. I have no idea if you are, but your post reads like that's how you're operating. Pocket that desire; otherwise, you'll think any decent woman who gives you a vibe is worth a relationship. Go with the flow more and don't push a relationship unless she gives you ample reason to want a relationship. Cold approaching doesn't decrease your relationship probabili…
/r/seduction03/03/22 12:46 PM
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Oneitis like a mf. You care about this a lot more than she does. And the person who cares the least has the most power. Move on. Talk to other women. Don't text or call her unless she hits you up with plans to link up.
/r/seduction03/03/22 12:32 PM
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Don't text back. Don't say anything. If women are interested in you, they won't give you the runaround. They will be all in on trying to set up something to see you.
/r/seduction02/03/22 07:16 PM
2

? Just wait until you see her.
/r/seduction02/03/22 05:06 PM
2

The one who cares the least has the most power. Guess who that is here. Don't text her unless she hits you up.
/r/seduction02/03/22 05:01 PM
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Exactly. Ever hear men say something along the lines of "I feel like I always meet more attractive women when I'm in a relationship." And that's why. You're not thinking about meeting women anymore, you're more comfortable, you're more unapologetic about who you are, and women notice shit like that and become more interested. While you're going to the store thinking "Ok, I just need to pick up a bottle of wine and some snacks for me and my girl and leave" there's a girl walking past you thinking…
/r/seduction02/03/22 01:39 PM
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How many relationships or marriages have you heard about where a man stayed with a woman after she cheated? Very few. How many relationships or marriages have you heard about where a woman stayed with a man after he cheated? A lot more. Men can't unsee infidelity. Promiscuity is not a value, nor do men have any desire to change an unfaithful woman. It's a dig to men to have a woman that the streets had. You'll never hear the end of it. Women can forgive infidelity. Promiscuity is not a value to …
/r/seduction02/03/22 01:03 PM
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You have to be direct. When she said sure, you should've closed with "Great! We can watch at my place. Look, I have to run, but let's talk later. What's your number?" Just tell them what you want. That's how you close.
/r/seduction01/03/22 05:19 PM
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What do you want out of the conversation? Her number, right? Ok....so ask for it. You don't need to engage in some elaborate, 20 minute talk show conversation with a woman to get a number. Once you can see when the conversation is ending, you have to close. Cold approach shouldn't be a long thing. Something like this is a way to end it Conversation winding down "By the way, I'm Mike, what's your name?" "I'm Amber" "It is nice meeting you Amber. I have to run, but I would love to talk to you agai…
/r/seduction01/03/22 12:51 PM
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Outside of football and basketball players, fraternities have the best social lives in college. Great social life = more social events, more parties, more women, more visibility You meet women largely by association, which lessens the need to cold approach as much on campus. You still have to know how to move, but joining a frat puts the pieces on the board for you.
/r/seduction01/03/22 02:26 AM
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Either you want a balanced conversation or you want her to talk about herself more than you talk about yourself. Your active listening skills need to be on point. I can say that enough. If we want them to talk about themselves more, we have to be great at listening. Like I said, don't go into it with a set list of questions or topics, because then you're not really focused on listening; you're focused on hitting each question and it feels too formal and premeditated. Anything she says can be ste…
/r/seduction28/02/22 07:56 PM
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You won't always get IOI, though obviously it's better when you do. Unless you're in the top tier of looks, you really have to make your own opportunities happen. Women aren't going to approach most men and even if they are attracted to you at first sight, most won't show it immediately
/r/seduction28/02/22 07:36 PM
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This is the best advice. You don't need to job interview her or strike up some hour long discussion. Introduce yourself and get straight to it. It doesn't really take long for a woman to know if she'll give you a number or not. If you're attractive and normal, your chances are solid.
/r/seduction28/02/22 07:31 PM
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If your value to a woman is purely sex and the sex is awful, you are going to get ghosted.
/r/seduction28/02/22 07:29 PM
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Spot on. You don't need some immaculate text game to get play. Too many people here are so focused on texting with someone they just met back-and-forth everyday instead of limiting contact to logistics until the woman proves she deserves more than that.
/r/seduction28/02/22 05:58 PM
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Don't look for anything. Treat every woman as no expectations and nothing special until they prove otherwise. You can still tease and have good conversation, but don't put a bunch of deep topics on a pedestal in the sense that you go out specifically to talk about those things. If it comes up, it comes up; otherwise, just be loose with it. Talk about fun shit. Talk about exciting things. Talk about stuff that's trendy. Get some jokes off. Just don't take it seriously. The best relationships and …
/r/seduction28/02/22 05:52 PM
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This is why if you're new to cold approach, you shouldn't go places strictly to cold approach. Why? Because you are 100% outcome dependent and you're not good at it yet to justify that type of mindset. Instead, you should go places where you actually have to be or want to be at: Gym, grocery store, concert, festival, game, restaurant, etc. And if you meet women there, it's just a plus. If you don't get a number at the grocery store, so what? You went to the grocery store...for groceries. If you …
/r/seduction28/02/22 05:47 PM
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Either you have a very bad case of oneitis, or you actually care about her romantically. It's up to you to figure out which is the reality. Sometimes we don't choose who we fall for; it just happens.
/r/seduction28/02/22 05:40 PM
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Put your time and energy into something else, stop being needy, and don't text or call her. General rule of thumb is if you meet a woman on a dating app, she is more than likely entertaining multiple guys already.
/r/seduction27/02/22 10:04 PM
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Unless you're just trying to hit, why do you think this girl wouldn't do the same thing to you? It's a sketchy scenario from jump. You're already much more invested in whatever this is than she is. She is in a relationship, even if she's "planning" to end it. Stop job interviewing her and stop looking at it as "How can I make her more interested." It's giving her all the power. Pull back and stop talking to her unless she hits you up.
/r/seduction27/02/22 02:21 PM
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It will eventually go away. You have to keep working your way to get out of your head. Adapt and adjust your process. Think about how many times a skateboarder falls before finally nailing a new move and then being able to do that move successfully with consistency. Keep at it.
/r/seduction27/02/22 12:42 AM
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I don't go out with the goal of approaching anyone. It messes up your mindset and makes you too result dependent. I go to places I want or need to go to and if a woman that catches my attention is there, I'll act. But, I agree, day game is the most optimal, especially as you get older and don't go out at night as much.
/r/seduction27/02/22 12:31 AM
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You did the hard part. The result will always vary, but your confidence and ability to do that again will only get better
/r/seduction27/02/22 12:27 AM
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You're overestimating. You don't need to be top tier in looks or social skills to get good results. It's definitely not easy, but that's the point. If it was so easy to get consistent results on cold approach, everyone would do it. Rejection is what makes it hard, because a lot of people can't handle getting turned down by even a few women in public, so they retreat to dating apps where you don't see anyone rejecting you. They miss out on the reality that rejection is actually a good thing, beca…
/r/seduction26/02/22 09:51 PM
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Unless you have a great social circle where you meet attractive women constantly by association, cold approach is the best method of meeting attractive women and it builds social skills and confidence. Contrary to your post, you don't have to be top-tier in looks to be good at cold approach. If you're a decent looking guy with competent social skills, you will eventually be successful at it after a little bit of trial and error. Cold approach isn't about efficiency. In fact, if you approach 20 w…
/r/seduction26/02/22 08:52 PM
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Don't put focus on taking them home that night. Just close. Give the conversation a few minutes and just be straight up. "It was nice meeting you insert name here. I have to run, but let's hang out again another day. What's your number?"
/r/seduction26/02/22 08:42 PM
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Immediate attraction for women: Looks Social status/Money Lifestyle This is especially true for online dating. If you're not in the top tier of looks for online dating, you're not going to get much play from the "baddies" online. Personality is more of a slow burn/long-term solidifier.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:33 PM
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There are men, who don't benefit from money or being top tier in looks, that can get women using the same "routine" or opener you fail with. There's no one size fits all—it's a combination of being yourself, adapting, and execution. You don't need a routine or openers when those things click for you. That said, the only way to get to that level (assuming you have taken the proper amount of time to prioritize yourself) is to continue doing it and taking more Ls along the way.
/r/seduction25/02/22 12:54 PM
1

How many customers does she see every week that she treats just like you? But if you like her, stop fucking around and talk to her.
/r/seduction25/02/22 03:08 AM
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Use text for logistics. No long conversations until it progresses to that point where she actually means something to you and has earned all that. Wait a few days and text or call her with a clear plan. You free this night? Cool, let's go out. We're going to insert place here. We're doing this. Be there at this time. Be direct and actionable.
/r/seduction24/02/22 11:51 PM
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Dating Apps: Safe space for rejection and people not confident in their social skills Smaller pool of women to choose from. Women using some combination of old pictures, filters, and angles. Not nearly as many hot women as you'll meet organically. Most women are swiping right on the top tier of men in looks. Women have essentially unlimited amounts of matches, so your competition is much higher. If you swipe right on 20 women, you will not get to talk to each one of them. Cold approach: Builds m…
/r/TheRedPill23/02/22 05:37 PM
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Agree...there are dangers with becoming "too comfortable single" as a guy. It's not about being comfortable with being single; it's about being comfortable with prioritizing yourself. You may look at that as splitting hairs, but the difference in verbiage makes a huge difference in mindset and execution. OP's post is the hybrid. By focusing on yourself, you are no longer held hostage by outcomes with women. Meeting women just becomes something that happens rather than something you seek out. You…
/r/seduction23/02/22 04:17 AM
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Avoid asking too many questions. You want back and forth conversation, not a job interview. Especially when you're at a club, bar, pub, brewery, etc, you don't want to get into deep, talk about our feelings stuff. You want to keep conversation short. Don't make it seem like you can talk to her all night that easily. Lead with an observation that's unique to her or the environment you're at, and mix in some humor. Just don't lead with anything related to "hey, you're sexy, beautiful, cute, etc." …
/r/seduction23/02/22 03:25 AM
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If you know a girl wants to fuck you or really likes you, then absolutely you can. But if you're just texting at 3 in the morning platonically or to a woman who isn't into you yet, then it's not a good move.
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:58 AM
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Women who are in that 18-22 college range aren't trying to hear that deep, emotional, reflect on our feelings bullshit off the bat. They are interested in social life and looks. So, regardless of whether you're in college or not, it's straightforward: Build a social circle (easier to do in college) of people who are in the mix of all the shit happening in the city or at schools. You will get play simply from meeting women through those friends. Go out with your friends to those events. Meet more…
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:42 AM
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Don't lie about anything you can't/don't do or you can't make happen later. Leaving out better details isn't necessarily lying. You undersold yourself. Ultimately, if you're just trying to fuck, then lying can work, but it's not necessary or preferable. Anything more, and eventually, she'll see your lifestyle isn't matching up. Otherwise I agree. Don't undersell what you do.
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:11 PM
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Tell her straight up what the deal is and leave it at that. "I like you; I'm just not ready to be in a relationship right now." But if you're legitimately scared of her walking out your life, then commit, because those are real feelings. It just doesn't sound like you actually are though.
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:12 AM
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Nah, in the long run you're better off without them. You're competing with 100s of men at the same time for the same women. In person: Quality of woman you meet goes up. You meet women at places that you have a common interest. You meet women without seeking them out. Confidence goes up by approaching more women. Social skills go up by knowing how to talk to them. Your self worth is never discounted. You become more attractive by prioritizing yourself. Dating apps are a convenient crutch. It's e…
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:06 AM
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Dating apps can be useful. Can you get play from them? Sure. Can you get a meaningful relationship from them? Sure. Ultimately, they're trash in the long run. It requires you to discount yourself for a condensed pool of not as attractive women and give them an incredible amount of power and control that they wouldn't otherwise have. Men significantly outnumber women on dating apps. So, you're competing with a large amount of men for a small amount of women. These women have 100s of matches withi…
/r/seduction22/02/22 03:49 AM
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You introduce yourself and ask for her name. "I like your vibe" isn't the best starter, but I guess you can work with it in the context of the meditation class. Compliment example: Guy: Hey, I like your Jordans Girl: Oh, thanks! Guy: What colorway is that? Girl: They're laser orange. I got these a few months ago actually. Guy: Nice, I might have to get a pair myself. I'm ____. What's your name? And then you go from there. If she's interested in the compliment/common interest you started with, yo…
/r/seduction21/02/22 05:57 PM
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..yes. On to the next.
/r/seduction21/02/22 05:41 PM
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Delete her number. She's a flake and is rejecting you nicely. Prioritize yourself. Stop texting women for conversation. Stop being needy.
/r/seduction21/02/22 04:20 AM
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I'm black and I typically only date and prefer black women. I've never had a woman tell me she was a cop. You don't have to alter your approach. I think you just had a one-off encounter. Keep trying.
/r/seduction21/02/22 02:31 AM
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Yes, while he tolerates and justifies it. That's why the majority of this thread is about him and not the guys trying to fuck his girl.
/r/seduction20/02/22 07:13 PM
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The context of this thread is that the guy is schooling men for chasing a woman they "can't" have, while not having the awareness that his girl can actually be had because she's entertaining those same men. If people are into polygamy, then there's nothing wrong with it; it doesn't give you the ability to make this specific point that the OP is trying to.
/r/seduction20/02/22 05:43 PM
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You should not pretend that you're an asshole. Some people are naturally good at being assholes and the others are so awful at pretending that they come off as lames. Don't be the latter. The goal is to prioritize yourself and build a lifestyle that you are more concerned with keeping up than needing a woman. If that makes you an asshole, then so be it.
/r/seduction20/02/22 05:39 PM
2

I'm not saying women at their peak SMV don't have options. They obviously do. Shooters shoot. You can't stop that. I'm saying there's a difference between having options and entertaining options. His girl is on the phone with men who want to fuck her and he knows about it. She is entertaining other men. If your girl can be entertained easily and with your knowledge about it, then she's not you girl. If your girl needs to test the waters regularly for reaffirmation, then she's not your girl. They…
/r/seduction20/02/22 05:21 PM
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If your girl is bad, of course other men want to fuck. Clear difference in having and entertaining options though. She's on the phone with those men with his knowledge. Majority of men are not staying in a relationship with a woman who they know is entertaining other men. That shit is wild.
/r/seduction20/02/22 04:53 PM
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Your girl talks to other men who are trying to fuck her, talks about you with them, and you're content with that because of words. Alright Ain't no fundamentals here. You're letting her dictate a relationship where she can easily fuck other men with your knowledge of the possibility.
/r/seduction20/02/22 04:17 PM
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Nerves come from you building up that woman in your head to have more value and power than you because of her looks and your hesitation to talk to her out of fear of rejection. Realize that hot women are a dime a dozen and there's nothing distinctly special about her until you get to know her. Get comfortable with talking to women as soon as you see them. The longer you wait, the more time you give your mind the ability to process the scenario, form judgment, and build a fight-or-flight response…
/r/seduction20/02/22 03:20 PM
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OP is right. The more you priortize yourself, the less time you have to be needy. I'll only say that you don't have to be an extrovert, social butterfly, or doing all of these extravagent things to be interesting, though it certainly helps. Basically, any type of hobby that looks good on a camera roll or Instagram is going to go far in making you appealing and it makes women excited for a lifestyle they can be a part of. But as long as you prioritize the things YOU enjoy over anything else, you …
/r/seduction20/02/22 03:07 PM
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This is why the solution is to never "act like an asshole" because not everyone has that in them. So, it implies that you have to put on a Halloween costume or something to get a girl. The solution is simply as the OP states: Put more energy into improving your appearance, a non-needy aura of confidence & your social status than you do into being “the nice guy” and your interactions with women will get better. If that makes you an asshole, then so be it, but it doesn't necessarily make you one. …
/r/seduction20/02/22 12:31 AM
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keep texting to logistics only, setting a firm date and time to meetup ASAP. This can't be said enough. Too many people on here are trying to interview women before they go on dates and make posts asking what they should say. Logistics only. Nothing else. Make her earn more communication. Everything else is spot on as well.
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:15 PM
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His mindset is great, just a wreckless game.
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:11 PM
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Are you worth chasing? Women chase men for different reasons: $$$, good looking, lifestyle, confidence, etc. If you're someone worth chasing, you priortize your own shit over random women who you got numbers from. Time is your most valuable asset and you want to make women earn your time and you want to be efficient with it. If you're needy, they will immediately sense it, and cut bait. Popular reason people are needy: They have nothing going on and it allows free space in their mind. Occupy you…
/r/seduction18/02/22 05:17 PM
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In basketball, the best shooters are the ones who have short memory and just shoot. They don't hesitate on shots, even if they've missed 10 straight. They don't think about the last missed shot all game, because they think the next one is going in. Stop thinking and just do it. That's how you develop confidence. Even if you crash and burn, the willingness to be open to rejection will give you confidence in the long run
/r/seduction18/02/22 04:56 PM
1

Game's over. She's not interested. Don't text her. If she hits you up, then take your time texting back.
/r/seduction18/02/22 12:51 PM
5

When you first get a #, your texting should largely be for logistics. What are you doing Friday? Let's link up here. Are you going to the game? Let's meet up there. When's your break in between classes? Let's get lunch. Shit like that. Once you've met them a few times, you can increase texting and it will be easier, because you'll know more about them. You can tease them about shit yall talked about in person. *Girl is a huge Lakers fan* You: I thought you said they were going to beat the Suns l…
/r/seduction18/02/22 12:38 AM
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If you know how to talk to women, you're confident, and you can fuck...you can land virtually any woman. In other words, nothing new has been learned
/r/seduction17/02/22 08:27 PM
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Stop. Putting. Women. On. A. Pedestal. You are building them up to be higher than you in your mind, giving them all this theoretical power over you, and now you're fearful of rejection. You get over rejection by approaching, getting rejected multiple times (it will happen) and understanding that women are on the same playing field as you.
/r/seduction17/02/22 08:13 PM
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Looks like a job interview. From what you posted, you could've led with this: You: Do you come here often? Its my first time seeing you here Her: No, i just moved here recently. Where are you from? She even threw a question back at you. Opportunity there to spin it into a convo about how she's liking the city, what made her move there, etc.
/r/seduction17/02/22 01:46 PM
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Rotating when you're not looking for anything? Yes. Rotating when you're looking for a relationship? No. Poor use of time. I'm not taking multiple women out on 3rd and 4th dates. I might go on a 2nd date with multiple girls, but it would only be 2 women tops. It's just a bad use of time to date that heavy. If you're looking for a relationship and you've met women who are relationship worthy, I'd go ghost on the dating apps. That shit is a distraction, and you're always going to see someone on th…
/r/seduction17/02/22 03:20 AM
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You answered your own question. You're not anxious with customers because they don't mean shit to you. They're a means to an end (making money) in your mind. You're not anxious with your friends because you have a high level of comfort with them and your mind has placed them on equal footing with you. You're anxious with random women because you're in your head, overthinking, and you have built that woman to be on a higher level than you. You want to conquer so badly (desired outcome), but you'r…
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:23 AM
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If she thinks you're attractive, confident and not weird, you have a solid chance. I can't think of a time where I had to have a lengthy conversation with a woman at a club to get a number and hit later.
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:41 PM
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It's never going to get better unless you stay consistent. It will get worse if you full stop
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:04 PM
4

How many times do kids fall when they're learning to ride a bike? How many times do teenagers fall when they're learning to skateboard? How many times do baseball players strikeout before they get a hit? You just have to keep doing it. Each rejection hurts, because you're immediately putting each woman you talk to at a higher level than yourself. That's where the anxiety comes from.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:55 PM
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Dancing with a random woman at a club is not a 100% rejection rate. If she doesn't want to dance with you, so what? On to the next. Don't put these women on a pedestal. You're at the club. The club. Women fully expect men to want to dance with them and spit game. Ultimately, you have to get over your fear of rejection. The best way to do that is to get rejected.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:47 PM
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You're making yourself too available to each woman. You're trying to juggle all these conversations and it's not a good use of your time. It's catching up to you, because you're mixing details with the wrong women. Because you heavily communicate with them, you have established your pattern. And when you stop that pattern, they know you're either talking to other women or you're with another woman. That's why the girl is questioning why you didn't say goodnight. Stop texting so much. Texting sho…
/r/seduction16/02/22 01:33 PM
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Better to take her somewhere you can talk. At a bar or a lounge? Sure. At a club, with loud ass music playing? No. Are you going to take every girl you dance with or find attractive at the club outside for a conversation? Hell no. And she's not going to either. She's trying to get back to her friends or to dance with the next guy. Value your time wisely. You don't go to dance clubs for trivial conversation. Keep it short, get her number, and figure it out later.
/r/seduction16/02/22 01:21 PM
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Realize this: Everyone who's done the club scene has been turned down for a dance and a number at least once. Who cares? Once you start taking it too seriously, you're already checked out. You're not proposing to these women; it's just a dance. A dance is the easiest icebreaker available in a club.
/r/seduction16/02/22 01:11 PM
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Club is the perfect environment to be as direct as possible. Women go out expecting men to spit game and dance with them. Woman dancing around you? Pull up on her, dance for a bit, stop, ask her name and get the number. Keep it short and simple. It's the club; don't concern yourself with having some lengthy conversation
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:48 AM
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However I have no idea what I have to do in order to engage in such activities. You're in college; you're already paying for a social life. Take advantage. You're a freshman; meet other freshmen and build a social circle. Easiest shit is befriending people in your dorm. If you can't cold approach solo, then go out with friends and approach with them. Kickbacks, games, house/apartment parties, campus events, etc. It'll get you used to it. It's college, there's always something going on and an opp…
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:40 AM
1

It's understandable why you want to do it, but it's not necessary. Anyone can have a good phone conversation while they're sitting on the couch from the comfort of their own home. You're not really learning that much about how both of you mesh together. I've had great phone conversations with women before dates and then there was zero chemistry in person. The less you know about her before the first date, the better. It gives you a blank canvas to feel the conversation out in person.
/r/seduction15/02/22 02:18 PM
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Exactly. If you're talking a lot more than she is, then you're the one auditioning and getting screened before the date. That contributes to being nervous. Drive the conversation to where she's talking more about herself, and you're just directing traffic and teasing her a little for humor. It's a win-win, because you're showing genuine interest in getting to know her, while making her more curious about who you are.
/r/seduction15/02/22 04:32 AM
4

If you're at an event, why wouldn't you just lead with something regarding the event and go from there? You already have a common interest.
/r/seduction15/02/22 04:12 AM
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Once you start taking dating apps too seriously, you're already psyching yourself out. You're nervous in part to seeking some validation and not wanting to disappoint. If you're intent on phone convos before a date..relax, don't take it seriously, and set expectations low. Treat it as a regular conversation, loosen up, and inject some humor into it. Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend a phone call unless you're setting up logistics or just touching base for a few minutes.
/r/seduction15/02/22 04:07 AM
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In the dating stage, texting should only be for logistics and quick convo. Everything else is just filler and unnecessary. Dates and hanging out in person are where you need to put your energy.
/r/seduction14/02/22 04:13 PM
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The upside isn't worth it But, if you are intent on doing it anyway with knowledge of the downside...slow burn it. Introduce yourself and build up some friendly rapport and feel her out over a few weeks. Typically you'll be able to see if she's single without asking directly. Then ask if she wants to go out for drinks. Easiest way to avoid looking unprofessional or like a creep at work.
/r/seduction14/02/22 01:42 PM
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Being direct, intentional, and confident is the difference. You are leading. "Let's link up later, what's your number?" "I have to run. Give me your number and I'll hit you up later." "I want to hang out again with you. What's your number?" Each one has clear action, direct words, and isn't putting the woman up on a pedestal. Compared to more passive, lukewarm, "friendly" ways: "I had a great time tonight. Is there any way I can get your number?" "I think I have to go. Do you want to exchange nu…
/r/seduction14/02/22 01:26 PM
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Right idea by using a common interest. She gave you an in by saying she wants tickets to a show. You could've ended the bit and twisted that into a reply about linking up for drinks or something first. Text game should be efficient and logistics focused.
/r/seduction14/02/22 05:07 AM
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No small talk. It doesn't get her any more interested in you, especially on apps where women have 100s of matches and short attention spans. Plus: It's a waste of your time. Your goal is to get a number the same day you send out the first message or the same day she replies to the first message. If the convo takes days, you can still get interest, but there's an increasing chance of them ghosting you. If you're boring, they will move onto the next guy. You have a small window to separate yoursel…
/r/seduction14/02/22 04:25 AM
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If you were on her mind, she would definitely hit you up. I just wouldn't bother. Hold her at her word. If she hits you up... great. If not, on to the next.
/r/seduction13/02/22 10:14 PM
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Yes. If you're using text game in DMs or dating apps, you need to be efficient as possible. The longer the conversation drags out, the higher the chance of it dying. So get to the point after a few messages. Or recognize a common interest you might have together from one of her posts, and go from there.
/r/seduction13/02/22 10:11 PM
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If you can communicate enough to get a number, then you can communicate enough to see if she's down to hang out later... if that's what you're trying to do Otherwise, just get the number and hit them up later. I don't think you need to worry about having a full blown conversation
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:18 PM
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You should keep messaging on dating apps as short. Days worth of convo is a waste of time. Feel them out for a little bit, get the number, close.
/r/seduction13/02/22 02:04 AM
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Clubs bleed you dry and rarely give you value comparable to the time and the money you spend. Lounges are cool every once in a while. Bars are fine if there's some games on. Clubs are for your 20s. Once you hit 30s, you gotta leave that shit alone. The older you get, day game becomes more preferable. You're not going out with the mindset of anticipating to talk to someone, because you're going to places that you need to be at or doing things you actually like doing. It's much more organic. Plus,…
/r/seduction12/02/22 04:45 PM
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Live and learn. Never go raw in random women. It's just bad process, even worse since you let her talk you into taking the rubber off. I don't think you have anything to worry about though. Unless you ejaculated without urinating afterwards sometime close to when y'all fucked, then the odds are pretty low that you got her pregnant through precum. If you're that worried, just be up front ask her if she can take a Plan B. Whether or not she decides to is another thing, but at least you exhausted a…
/r/seduction09/02/22 03:54 AM
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Embody it by obsessing over shit that only pertains to you and your gain/well-being. Build shit out that you want to do to benefit you. Your gym routine, your hobbies, your career, your goals, your friends, your money, etc. Do it to the point where if someone wants your time, they have to earn the way to fit in between the stuff you prioritize. It creates a mindset where you only want someone who can add to your shit, rather than needing someone to be there.
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:07 PM
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Dating apps for black people or other minorities are just a smaller selection of an already small population in your city. Your odds are even worse if you're open to dating outside your race. You can get ass and LTRs from there of course, but you're essentially narrowing your possibilities for lower quality the second you sign up. Any woman on there who's actually bad has her choice with every guy already, so it's just a waste of time unless you are at the top in looks.
/r/seduction03/02/22 05:49 PM
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