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So then, you admit that your need for me to be wrong and refusal to respectfully agree to disagree is unhealthy. Your theory on self-esteem is prima facie not the only view on self-esteem (and that is me being charitable), given by the absurd conclusions your viewpoint leads to. But I do not care if you believe this. I am willing to grant you the dignity of your viewpoint and presume that there are good reasons you believe as you do. Because I do not need you to be wrong and I do not need to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:23 PM
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Is it toxic and unhealthy to need to control others? What does that say about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:56 PM
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If you don't get self esteem from needing to control others who reasonably disagree with you, what do you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:44 PM
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I validly disagree with you serving as a counter example....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:16 PM
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You can keep repeating the same assertion over again if you want. I still disagree for valid reasons. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to become more outcome indeoendent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:04 AM
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S'all in the vibe dawg. Do you think psychologists are a branch of scientists?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:03 AM
1

So a man who feels good after winning the novel prize is very unhealthy. When your viewpoint leads to statement that are strikingly absurd, why not check your priors?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:52 AM
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You don't seem to understand that I can in fact still disagree for valid reasons that are my own. Free will and rational viewpoints other than your own exist. Let go of needing to control me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:51 AM
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I don't know. I just found out it was a thing. How about that. I've got a unique sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:50 AM
9

I don't know why you think I don't know that humans lie. Other people can do what they want. I don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:07 AM
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You care about what women do because I need to get over women lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:08 AM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:51 AM
1

Oh dip you know I do forget to bring the beakers and goggles to my dates. Because that's what they're for right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:49 AM
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I just don't really think about it man. I show up as me. I don't know what is wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:35 AM
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Why do you care?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:34 AM
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Hmm. Maybe I am demisexual. I cam recognize beauty but without any meaning to me it isn't instantly sexual
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:30 AM
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I did not know this existed. It made me wonder if I am demisexual. I thought experiencing sexual attraction after a close emotional relationship was normal. Hahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:53 PM
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I do not pretend to know what self image any politician has of him or herself, so I cannot comment. And I do not know if politicians are just lying all the time, even though that is a popular stereotype. I know that for me and myself, I do not think lying about who I am to get someone to like me would make me feel good about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:51 PM
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Better in what way? I think that presenting yourself in a false light can be beneficial for short-term results. For example, it is easy to imagine from a gamesmanship persrpective, either withholding potentially dealbreaking or offputting information resulting in more dating success. And if you disclose the sensitive information later, it probably will have minimal impact --- assuming it is not extremely damaging. If you are after success as measured by the amount of women you can get into your …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:37 PM
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Then why did you not agree to disagree? Why do you keep repeating your position over and over even though you know I am not yielding? Because you need me to be wrong. Which is an external marker of victory you need. Which is ironic
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:09 PM
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So feeling good about yourself for winning the noble prize is unhealthy according to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:07 PM
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You eschew civility and double down on this position because you need me to be wrong. Why do you need me to wrong? Do you need a win or something? The irony surely can't be lost on you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:48 PM
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Which means that feeling good because you won a noble prize is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:46 PM
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It really does not. You seem wedded to the idea that self esteem must be 100% internal and that anything different is ehm...misunderstanding self esteem. Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:43 PM
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Yes the 100% external one. But I was referring to it being a mix in most. This conversation is devolving into me talking to a condescending wall. Let's agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:42 PM
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"Some people have a secure high self-esteem and can confidently maintain positive self-views without relying on external reassurance. However, others have defensive high self-esteem, and while they also report positive self-views on the Rosenberg Scale, these views are fragile and easily threatened by criticism. Defensive high self-esteem individuals internalize subconscious self-doubts and insecurities, causing them to react very negatively to any criticism they may receive. There is a need for…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:25 PM
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I don't understand why you brought those people up when I even cited to Wikipedia in another comment that illustrates secure and defensive self esteem and how people are on a continuum. I did not say that it had to be 100% external but I believe that it's not unreasonable for some significant component to also be external. I mean the presence of dominance hierarchies demands the regulation of self esteem that roughly match the hierarchy or it ceases to be a hierarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:22 PM
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I can't read those without going to a library. It just seems that self-esteem having at least partially an external focus makes sense. Otherwise, how would one know one's place in the tribal hierarchy? Respecting unwritten social hierarchies is important, and so if you have self-esteem that doesn't match the current hierarchy that could have spelled trouble. I guess I do not understand the aversion to admitting external sources to self-esteem and that that's normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:03 PM
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Because wikipedia mirrors what I learned about the concept, I'll cite to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-esteem So the external vs internal locus is the defensive versus secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:00 PM
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What I am saying is that from what I have learned and read, self-esteem has a large component that is external. You are right that some people can internally generate all the self-esteem, but for the most part and for most people it is at least a mix. So telling someone to alter this basic property of themselves may be pointless because their efforts could very well be futile through no fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:55 PM
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I don't know enough to comment from some great repertoire of life experience. I just know that for me, it always seems like a good fit when the girl makes me feel comfortable in my own skin. She makes me feel that way she just happens to be really pretty and be a stripper I guess hahaha. I think each relationship is always an opportunity to put your best foot forward and show some love for another human being. Even though I'm usually penniless, every now and then I try to take her out and pay fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:34 PM
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From everything I have seen, the mechanisms underlying self-esteem and self-worth are connected to our assessments of our standing in the local hierarchy. I mean, if we are social creatures we are interdependent. I am unsure how someone suffering from loneliness could be called co-dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:00 PM
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Ohhh. Well, because so many people brought it up to assert in various ways that he did not know what the word entitlement meant. So OP responding to that really to me did not count as adding to the importance he attached to the original point. But it seems like I have read the entire thing differently than you have. I do not know why. I did not mean to. Like I said, thanks for conversing with me. See you around :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:58 PM
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I'm usually pretty nice to women and it is in a different way than I am nice to men. I'm a fairly tall guy, so most women are pretty small to me. It's hard not to be kind and nice. These posts always seem to have a real serious undercurrent of anxiety. There is a pervasive concern with being or feeling unseen. And a hyper vigilance to guard against being exploited. It seems, correct me if I am wrong, TRP advocates viewpoints or behaviors that minimize trusting women. Or being vulnerable and trus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:55 PM
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He referenced what? That a woman not wanting to fuck him is cruel? I do not think I saw him say that anywhere. But I know for certain other things you have said were in the OP were not in the OP and inferred by you. I don't know, I feel like multiple people across different topics are overinterpreting anything they can to say whatever they want about OP. That could just be my perception, which is likely offensive. So I will thank you for your time discussing with me and wish you a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:46 PM
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So far my tinder experience does not seem to match anyone else's. But it was and is really positive. I used tinder over the summer for a little while for a whole two weeks. I had a lot of really great conversations with women on there. I even met up with a woman who was really pretty. Way better looking than I normally run into. She was not very intellectual, though. I mean when I talked about topics I was interested in, after she asked, she listened and seemed invested but I could tell that it …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:40 PM
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I know you think you did. This is getting weird. So yes, like I said, chalk it up to me not understanding. Thanks for the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:08 PM
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I found the messaging in the movie to be uncompelling. Any messaging that involves isolating yourself in some way and forcing yourself to pretend that that is the natural state of affairs just at the very least strikes me as one-size-fits all. Humans are social creatures and need relationships of all types. Telling someone to be happy with themselves is like telling them to learn how to not be hungry. I'm an introvert and even I need to poke my head out every now and again and spend time with my…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:01 PM
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I treat everyone I come across with kindness and politeness. I'm fascinated by the concept of masculinity. It means different things to different men. I often wonder why men never want to act like themselves and live their own lives. At least men at my age. I can do whatever I want for the most part, except for when I have to take an exam. I can read about anything I choose to, write anything I want. I am an empathetic person, so if I am in a relationship, I can sense when the other person wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:58 PM
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I don't understand. You can type all that but refuse to answer my question regarding the study's conception of sexual entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:40 PM
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No the question was concerning what the study termed as sexual entitlement. Like I said it is not important. You are set in your viewpoint of the facts and the situation. No real need to disturb it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:11 PM
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I've never really thought this was an actual belief system. It always seems to appear when someone is trying to justify a pet inequity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:10 PM
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I'm in a prestigious university. I don't really participate in hookup culture. I'm pretty shy and introverted. I don't mind it though. I think it may depend on the extent to which you have internalized a lot of beliefs regarding masculinity. I just have never had the zealous sex drive many of my friends have. Whenever I do get a girlfriend I feel bad because a lot of my favorite activities are sort of single person activities. Like reading or writing. I spend hours doing those things and it ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:08 PM
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Yikes. Have a nice day didn't mean to offend in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:59 PM
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Can you answer my question, is that the correct formulation of entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:58 PM
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It's your opinion about both, now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:53 PM
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I understand your opinion on the exchange, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:49 PM
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No that sexual entitlement does not concern the role one places on a partner providing them sexual desire and pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:43 PM
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Oh my opinion on the whole exchange will remain with me. That's an interesting take on your motivations. Thanks! I'll butt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:40 PM
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Why was he worth so much effort to attempt to correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:34 PM
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The preamble is not part of the actual study though. It is an introduction. Where does OP say something other than male loneliness is a matter of social justice?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:20 PM
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I'm a sophomore psychology major. This stuff just interests me when it happens. Oh I am definitely in the minority. But I would wager that among a dispassionate readership that would not be the case at all. So what kept you responding?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:19 PM
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I read that as getting something out of the way. The fact that he mentions it with a cursory link and quote and never comes back to it suggests it's a tangent. He used a word that simply meant dogmatically forbidden. I do not understand how that means he said persecuted/punished. He did not say that a woman's choice in that way was cruel, though. I would like to stop and ask, are you aware that several times now you have said the OP said something he did not say and then proceeded to engage with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:16 PM
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Yes but you technically did not quote the study, you quoted more or less the preamble to the study. OP then quoted the study's stated objectives, the study's metrics, and then the study's findings. I am unsure how that is cherry picking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:11 PM
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This is incorrect and has been repeated several times and disconfirmed several times in this very thread by the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:07 PM
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I'm sorry, then we read completely different exchanges. Which is why this entire thread is pretty fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:06 PM
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All right. I'll butt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:01 PM
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That is an interesting take. I have stated that I think OP may be a sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:00 PM
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OP stated several times what his understanding of the paper was. It was what the paper said. The comment section is replete with him quoting the study and people disagreeing with that being what the study said. OP said several times the study showed women feel more sexual entitlement to male bodies for sexual desire and pleasure than women do. It does say that. You're saying that he was applying these results to a situation other than the situation in the study's. He never said that. But it is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:58 PM
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Unless they are the basic defining terms of the side you represent methinks. Do geologists ask "in what way or how is the earth round?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:43 PM
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I don't believe OP is equivocating. I believe you are saying that the situation everyone is concerned with is x and he is referring to a situation that is y. Entitlement means the same thing in both situations its just you're believing that the only situation of relevance is not the one OP mentioned. I don't quite agree that it's neutral for a woman to expect a man to provide her with sexual desire and pleasure. I believe that entitlement comes down to what's reasonable or what's equitable and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:40 PM
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OP in my reading does not say or imply persecution, just hypocrisy. I read the OP mentioning that study as an aside. Like women say x but just FYI this says y, moving on...sort of thing. OP says several times he believes being cruel and ignoring suffering is what will cause women to lose. I feel like OP planted a lot of hidden or maybe not easily detectable tropes that he knew would trigger people beneath the pretty straightforward argument. Then the opponents off balance from the start are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:29 PM
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Having studied this thread and the admittedly effective way OP seems to engage opponents, I believe you are being led into a trap. You are starting to ask questions at a level where feminists have given their own answers. So to question on these points makes you look like you're feigning ignorance due to bias. Feminists wrote the book on hegemonic masculinity and what it looks like. The body positivity movement has already spelled out the cultural influencers of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:24 PM
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I don't understand why someone cannot have a reasonable entitlement to pleasure during sex. It is still an entitlement, though. I don't know how the quotes are out of their intended context. The point was that in a sexual context women are more entitled than men which I'm unsure why you're saying they aren't if the study says women expected men to provide more sexual desire and pleasure for them than vice versa I don't think OP made any comments recommending rape of any kind. I am glad you broug…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:13 PM
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OP did not say him having a timetable to sex was persecution, though. He said that him merely stating his own preference led to him being vilified. I don't think OP said that women wanting sex to be enjoyable is oppression or will result in women losing? Is that how you read the OP? I read it like this. Feminism more or less has been ineffective at helping women. Women are ignoring how lonely men are getting in a cruel way. Women say no one owes you anything. Then he brings up how he gets chasti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:03 PM
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Well whether the sex is actually enjoyable would not be measured by entitlement it would be proxied by the self efficacy measure. So men would have the entitlement attitude and the self efficacy. The entitlement would be the belief in their right to obtain sexual pleasure from the female body and the self efficacy would be the effectiveness of their own behaviors in bringing about that result. That's why I'm not quite following why you're saying that female entitlement means they want sex to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:57 PM
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Well if OP can never have an expectation of sex and wishes to date he is obligated to wait however long the woman decides to have sex, he cannot have some arbitrary time limit and then move on, according to what you're saying? Is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:49 PM
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But OP answered this already as well with a later quote specifically in bold that the desire and pleasure derived from the partner's body. Not pleasure generally. I don't know what to say. People are very invested in the OP being wrong about everything to a very abnormal degree. To the point where it certainly comes off like irrationality. That's just me. I speculated that OP may well be a dark triad sociopath because this kind of micro aggressing and crazy making is just. I'm stunned.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:46 PM
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I don't understand. You are agreeing with him and still acting as though you are disagreeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:41 PM
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Apologies. So should I alter my original post?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:39 PM
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Are you saying that OP should spend time with any and all women no matter what? I do not understand what you are trying to say and I don't want to misunderstand you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:37 PM
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Should I expand the comment to include my overall observation after having read the thread? It's pretty interesting from a psychological perspective. I am not trying to circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:35 PM
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That was him trying to head off people saying that the only way to address or hear male loneliness concerns was to force women to be with men they find unattractive. Many women chimed in to argue exactly that. So I'm not sure how that is OP advocating rape when there are so many instances of him saying that that is not the only solution. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just fascinated at the way people are getting primed and set off and led into the same trap over and over again. Such scal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:32 PM
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He has not said anything like that. Wow. OP really knows how to push buttons. His understanding of the study is the same as yours. I don't necessarily agree with the OP but the OP reads more as a prediction or warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:28 PM
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From the quote it's that women feel more entitled to pleasure and sexual desire from their partner than men do. So that's different than sex just having to be enjoyable because it's not a given, I would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:25 PM
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But if there's no other interpretation then what you just said is at least untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:24 PM
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I'm not sure if I agree with OP, but the men who abuse and are violent toward women are mostly men women choose to let into their lives. I don't think those men count as part of this deal because you chose them. But the rest of men shouldn't be asked to protect you from them for this deal to be fair I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:20 PM
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He did the same thing to you. I think this is probably the most amusing thread I've read on here. So many people getting played and finessed. He hit you on something you seem to hold dear, your therapist education and training, questioned you on it in a very subtle way designed to piss you off, to the point where you never responded to his main points and made this post and several other posts attacking him. This is textbook high class manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:19 PM
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But OP has said several times to the contrary. People are being goaded into making so many mistakes because they're seeing red.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:16 PM
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The arguments have been stopped in their tracks by default. OP just pricks people a few times and then when he cites direct evidence people seem already so upset that they start throwing ad homs at him and never return to arguing the point. Which just creates a lot of default wins. What is more interesting is people falling all over themselves to I don't know save face. It's the shadowy reflection of seeking approval
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:14 PM
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This entire comment thread is a genius machination of some kind. People have come after OP with such anger that they've lied and ignored direct evidence, distorted the OP, and engaged in several instances of attempted bullying. I've never seen such effective microaggressing as from OP. Your comment is good food for thought. But you and anyone else are teed up to seem reasonable compared to what the opposition has been turned into.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:09 PM
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Where does the OP threaten rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:06 PM
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But he has quoted directly from the study. In this comment thread someone on your side of the aisle just corrected him with what the study means, by repeating what he has said the study means several times. This is high level haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:02 PM
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You know I've been studying this thread. And call me crazy, I think OP is doing this on purpose. I've never seen someone say something provoke a reaction then do something innocuous like cite a source only trigger such an enraged counter attack. every person he talks to gets upset and just stops discussing or arguing altogether. Conveniently right after he drops a pretty simple point or cited source. I think it's by design
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:00 PM
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The premise concerned sex which seems to be what the entitlement conversation is about the use of another person for one's sexual pleasure. And the quote from the study seems clear. By now that's less interesting at the lightning rod effect OP has had.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:56 PM
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But he just quoted the actual study and it says none of that. Man a lot of commenters are very heated as if they need OP to be stupid and wrong or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:50 PM
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Literally nearly every female commenter brought up women being forced to be with ugly men or something like that though. Wow. This is so interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:47 PM
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Everybody is falling all over themselves to prove something to this guy. Haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:45 PM
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But that statement is the literal sum total of findings from the study. Elsewhere in this same comment thread another commenter accused him of misunderstanding the study and essentially repeated his understanding of the study, which you're saying is not the correct understanding of the study. Idk if I agree with OP but the hostility of OPs opposition is somewhat fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:42 PM
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But that's what he's said several times the study says.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:37 PM
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The most insanely based OP and Leonidas defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:45 PM
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I don't know if it's used to manipulate men but I roll my eyes at these articles when they offer their tone deaf and moronic solutions. "Men are taught not to open up, this needs to change and they need to seek help." Is a beyond stupid statement. The people who TAUGHT the man not to open up are the same ones who are around him now. We see it here even what happens when men open up and are honest about their feelings and their struggles. Invariably: Name-calling, typically attacking the speaker …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:25 PM
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Equal in looks? No real difference or variation mostly based around local demographics
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:19 PM
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Variance is huge in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:15 PM
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0 parts of philosophy UNIQUE to the red pill have any real merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:14 PM
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Spoken like someone with 0 experience. First, there is ALWAYS an agenda or ulterior motive. She likes spending time with some hawt dude because it's a way of her securing her self perceptions of her status or a chance to break into some higher status. The second hawt guy X can no longer provide that...he's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:13 PM
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Because relationships make no sense from an ROI standpoint anymore. At the start of courtship if the man is fortunate...he gets maximum privilege (sex, novelty, companionship) with near 0 responsibilities (once a week contact, no intertwining of lives). As the relationship progresses...he has less privileges (less sex, no novelty) and an ever increasing list of responsibilities. This is a stupid arrangement
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:08 PM
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Oh wow look another John Galt take on things referring to how people (who are expected to contribute unto whatever toxic social dynamic) are owed nothing. The problem here is that women do EXPECT to be loved in this way. This is why men who voice preferences are shouted down while women are cheered....because to even be in the company of a woman is supposed to be this magical, great thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:05 PM
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