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mental healthNoDecentNicksLeft/r/MensRights19/06/24 12:00 PM
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It's disgusting that women want to make gender-selective spaces a one-way street. That's fundamentally unfair, and an insult to the intelligence of any man or woman with a degree. I would say high school / 100 IQ, if I wanted to be harsh, but let's keep it at college where they teach some formal logic 101. … And then they go on about how men don't seek or build support networks and don't talk about their issues. Another cognitive blunder that's extremely hard to believe coming from mentally unim…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/11/25 04:19 PM
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That could be the case, but there is also a problem located on lower levels of the pyramid of needs — men withholding attention from women is seen as an existential threat to women, because it potentially means witholding goods, services and generally resources. It puts a dent in women's provisioning strategy. Several men openly questioning the balance of the give and take invites further men to do the same, and that it is the threat — a danger that men as a collective could begin to demand a re…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/01/25 01:40 PM
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MGTOW is already happening, and somehow women aren't happy with that outcome, because it feels like a capital insult to them. Women are free to say the cons of being with a man outweigh the pros, and men are not free to say the cons of being with a woman outweight the pros — ever wonder why the disparity?
/r/EverydayMisandry24/01/25 06:24 PM
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Women get along just fine without a man since when? Since the state and society beginning to act like a man to manless women but not like a woman to womanless men? Women's better performance alone is due to greater social compensation resulting from selective empathy. This is going to be a subjective perspective (but a man has a right to his own subjective perspective just like a woman does to hers), but they way I see relationship problems between men and women nowadays is that women have becom…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/01/25 08:49 AM
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I agree with the sentiment that feminism by definition shouldn't have to care for men much, but one can't simultaenously claim that feminism is for everyone and makes advocacy for men's rights redundant. One can't make the two claims at once. Alternatively, the logical conclusion is that women need something that's focused on them but men don't, translation: men don't need focus. And 'men don't need focus' smacks of male disposability, of course. My preference is for separate dedicated advocacy …
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/25 12:55 PM
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I don't. But I have an issue with them when it's not genuine white-knighting but instead a sort of calculated act. And it often isn't. Sometimes it's trauma from watching hurt women in their families and friendship circles, being exposed to misandry and female trauma from a very young age, growing up hating men despite being a man. Trying to be better than other men — only to get women to trample on you (my own life story).
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 10:49 AM
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Internalized misandry is really painful to the person affected by it, as I can attest. And you can still end up being accused of misogyny if you don't fall on your sword complying. We do need to take a couple of steps back from toxic feminism and rehabilitate normal masculinity, obviously realizing that men are not perfect but also recognizing that men shouldn't need to be perfect in order to have the right to breathe and other human rights, and that women aren't perfect either. A lot of men are…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 10:47 AM
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Double standards are a problem, and they are a problem from the perspective of a person's age, IQ and education level not being matched by their thinking processes. People who focus on the nuance but lose sight of basic asymmetries in their own modelling of relationships and relations (of any kind, and this goes e.g. for employment too) need to go back to school, and not necessarily the last school or highest level they have attended. It's really disappointing to witness the everyday intellectua…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 10:37 AM
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There is more she can give him — she can teach him that not all women hate men, even among those women who have a reason to.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/11/24 04:46 PM
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That person is just one woman. I'm sure she has her own issues and also her own redeeming qualities. Not wanting to focus too much on her, also not wanting to give her attention, is understandable. What she did was mostly a childish thing, basically a consequence of the immaturity, instability and lack of restraint characteristic in varying degrees of a young age. It would not be reasonable to give her serious flak for harassment, especially as she does say she was terrible. On the other hand, y…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/10/24 09:49 AM
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Look what happens and what opinions are formed and told when it's the wife who isn't getting as much sex as she needs from her husband. And for men's issues, nope, the list is longer. If it were shorter, then one could arguably see that as positive, because it would be easy to keep men happy and make them stop having issues. Re: concrete stuff on the female side, stats please. Re: 'discrimination', specifics please. Re: 'criminal behaviour', specifics and context. If we're trying to pin criminal…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/10/24 09:04 AM
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Treating lesbians better than gay men can be due to viewing them as less gross and also less threatening or disruptive to social order.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/09/24 04:42 PM
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Body chemistry doesn't magically change because of identification. It's not like hormones or neurotransmitters are going to obey a verbal command issued by the conscious brain. And in normal communication, disclaimers can't be longer than statements. If we wanted to accommodate everyone explicitly in every situation, we would be disclaiming all the time and never making a statement. I'm sorry, but the way I see it, trans people are asking for a bit too much individual attention (in proportion to…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/09/24 03:06 PM
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A woman is obviously free to opt out of dating and to have as many cats or dogs as she wants, just like a man. Except why is there so much offence and even hate against men who choose to opt out of dating? And the whole 'because a woman doesn't do what a man wants' and 'like they used to' — give me a break. If a woman opts out of dating but out of resentment continues to diss men, then she's going to be called something like 'crazy cat lady' just like a man is going to be called something like '…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/09/24 12:16 PM
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I would be nonchalant with my wife, and the world would be a better place if people were nonchalant with their spouses, just saying no if they aren't interested in hugging, cuddling, making out or having sex, rather than escalating it to claims of sexual abuse if husband hugs wife when wife doesn't want to be hugged but not vice versa. Massage? I don't use it. If I had to, on doctor's orders, I would go to a heterosexual guy if I had the option. I can't really see myself in a situation like the …
/r/EverydayMisandry01/09/24 12:51 PM
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Hi! If you're a woman and you're trying to give a man advice on how to compliment a woman's work … rethink saying … Essentially: Equality is not women taking a teacher or judge position with men. I have no problem taking lessons from a female teacher (most of mine were female) or orders from a female boss. But I have a problem with women thinking they're sex puts them in some kind of sage role and start talking to men in a patronizing or condescending way because that feels 'empowering', while b…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/09/24 12:05 PM
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I tend to agree with the sentiment. If I had to choose, I'd rather be forced to penetrate (except I'd still keep refusing and rather take a bullet anyway) than penetrated, even though getting penetrated would have made it easier to feel blameless of the encounter. I get it that at least to some extent forced-to-penetrate can be less traumatizing than forcibly penetrated, but if a guy wakes up to a gal riding his horse, how's that not rape anyway? Women shouldn't be playing the gender card as an …
/r/EverydayMisandry31/08/24 06:55 PM
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Except the topic is never men's SA, and dude is reacting to the claim that it's always men. It's unfair that 'but it isn't' is topically irrelevant to any claim. If the assertion is relevant to the topic, the negation necessarily is also. 'It's always Dell laptops breaking down.' 'Nah, Lenovo and HP break down too.' 'Shut up and only bring that up when Lenovo or HP is the specific topic of discussion.' Valid logic? Not quite. If the topic of discussion is women's SA, I can understand why/how bri…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/08/24 04:13 PM
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One could discuss that angle, but I think it comes down to misandry anyway. A bit of a phobia and a bit of disgust with, contempt for and hate of men* — that's what actually makes some women turn to women for sex and relationships anyway. Or is there a phobia of hetero-exclusive women among lesbians and bisexual women? * Edit: Fixed the prepositions because I have OCD about agreement.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/08/24 06:55 PM
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At least she realizes part of the problem is with her, as she opens with 'I'm not able'. She realizes the exaggeration and seems to begin to realize that she's projecting negative experience with individuals onto the whole sex. We really need to crack down on feminist literature that conditions women, especially young women, easily malleable, chronically online, etc., to view men in that manner by spreading secondary and tertiary PTSD, and to let their imagination loose by imagining hypothetical…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/08/24 01:03 PM
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Third paragraph is stretching it. Shaving is shaving. Wearing makeup is wearing makeup. Plucking brows is plucking brows. Putting on products is putting on products. One can't really compare shaving and lipstick.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/08/24 05:04 PM
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I'm getting very tired of men and boys not being campaigned for while women and girls get all the attention from our governments and the United Nations. There would not be much of a need for campaigning for men and boys if there weren't campaigning against them. The United Nations at this point seems to be aggressively feminist, perhaps misandrist, in some correlation with somewhat clearly not representing the highest intellectual standard or rigour. Makes you wonder about staffing and qualifica…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/24 03:21 PM
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'Women are wonderful' effect? Or just gerrymandering? Genders and races are a very easy voting arithmetic for coalition building. For example, just instrumentalize hating on white men, declare the intention of running a policy that will directed against them, and you can counting on getting quite a lot of identity-conflict-based vote from non-white men and non-male whites, where conveniently white women will be left off the hook for being white and non-white men for being male, as a further emot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/24 02:50 PM
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I wouldn't favour taking a generalized cynical view of relationships or of humanity as a whole or a half of it, but the collective behavioural patterns or attitude patterns coming from women are alarming, psychologically and ethically. Such as viciously coming after men who would walk out of the dating scene and thus be like the cow that walks off the farmer's ranch, but also trying to repress male spaces, so that only female spaces and co-ed spaces have a right to exist. That's a very saddening…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/24 02:31 PM
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If you were a criminal's spouse or sibling, or child or parent, you'd have a closer connection, and yet we don't punish relatives unless it can be proved they were accomplices to the crime.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 03:34 PM
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Well, I think words are words, we could try analysing them and doing the sentence calculus on them, but the real line of reasoning followed can be not really conscious intellectual reasoning as much as acting on the knee-jerk reflex that a man is (1) more precious and (2) more pure/moral better than a man, thus the inverse of male disposability and a correlate of the evolutionary juxtaposition of abundant and cheap sperms versus rare and precious eggs. Basically an evolutionary reflex. Tendencie…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 03:33 PM
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Re: B, let's say you're good at hand-to-hand combat, so the risk wouldn't be too great for you, and yet you walk past a man getting beaten up by three muggers for refusing to hand his wallet or three bullies over something highschool-like, and you say it's not your problem or man needs to learn to survive on his own. That's not exactly being one of the muggers, but I lean towards agreeing that it's enabling them and failing to assist a person in need (breach of general social duty of care). Tole…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 03:18 PM
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Well, my answer to that kind of thing is always let's have an honest inquiry. Eliminate bias, use uncontroversial (and incontrovertible) methods, and approach both sexes with neither prejudice, nor favour. Neither patriarchy nor chivalry but objective science. Unbiased empirical sociology. Then we can talk about the results.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 03:07 PM
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Hmm… I was referring to a situation when it's pretty obvious that something is off with the accusation, and the confrontation comes down to he says vs she says, with there clearly being some issues with what she says, thus a sympathy contest. Wouldn't a white man be fried in such a dubious situation on the ground that 'you must believe women' and on the ground of default preference for women over men? I can be hypersensitive here, and an added difficulty comes from the fact that I live in a coun…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 01:39 PM
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Yes, thank you. Likewise, if the accuser were also black like the accused, then it would be more difficult for him to fight successfully. But against a white woman, he can at least accuse her of racial discrimination, whereas a naked claim of sexual discrimination wouldn't work for a man against a same-race woman.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 01:18 PM
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Not at all. Far from that. You're treated more harshly by default if you're black. However, if you can prove that you were targeted in a discriminatory way because of your race and that you are innocent, then you can then turn it around and have a fighting chance. A black person targeted by a white person with a false accusation gets more compassion than a man targeted by a woman within the same race.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 01:14 PM
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I actually saw a tweet going viral once that said “does anybody else have that one guy who you slept with once who’s kept contacting you since”? And I was just thinking “that makes sense to me to contact somebody you shared something as intimate as sexual activity with” so I’m not sure why the tweet was presenting it as if the guy was being weird. Could it be that, in their mind, they are just emulating men? Like that's the mental image they have of men and they feel obliged to turn the tables o…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/08/24 07:37 PM
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And couple that double-standard on performance with the double-standard on consent.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/08/24 07:33 PM
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I think it has to be regarded as at least a hypothesis to be verified that women may be attacking manosphere — or any sort of male gathering, male circles of friends — in order to isolate men and deprive them of support networks. Basically wanting the guy to be on his own, so that he doesn't get psychological/emotional support. This could explain women's sometimes visceral hateful response to anything that brings more than one man together unless maybe that's a group called 'How to be better men…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/08/24 07:30 PM
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I think it's difficult to avoid apples-and-oranges comparisons when working off of individual experience — as in our individual experience is a small statistical sample, plus we don't always have the training to do to the quantitative research properly or avoid bias, handle control groups, etc. And it will be very difficult by nature to draw direct comparisons due to the differences, so we're going to end up assining relative weights and offsets anyway. And that's going to be difficult to get ri…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/08/24 07:21 PM
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I think that sort of crap can be quite insidious. It's like pretending they aren't discriminating against men because rather than inflicting disabilities on men, they are heaping exclusive advantages on women. But whether you inflict civil disabilities on men or heap social privilege on women, either way you increase the distance between them. So in the net effect you improve women's position relative to men. Likewise, if you have a team of five and want to discriminate against one member, you d…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/08/24 06:53 PM
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At least he was black. I know it's worse in many ways if you're black being accused by a white woman, but at least you can mount a Mockingbird defence with some chance of success. You can play the race card against the gender card. If white… oops, nobody cares? We really need to break the politically correct silence cordon around the problem of whatever makes women file false accusations when they develop second thoughts or regrets. We need to take a neutral and objective lens to that, rather th…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/08/24 06:48 PM
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This will be politically incorrect but consistent with my experience evaluated in the light of what knowledge I have (which is not relevant scientific expertise but more like popular science, as I don't hold a degree in a relevant field): it seems to be a disproportionately female problem that when a person has a disappointing experience with the opposite sex, they turn towards their own sex romantically and sexually, and if they have a disappointing experience of life as their own sex, they dec…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/08/24 06:35 PM
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There does seem to be a double standard and an empathy gap about stuff like that, i.e. harm/abuse and the existence or appropriateness of comments about body parts. It's not that men don't comment, it's that men generally don't deny that they or other men make such comments, and it's also regarded as crass when a man makes such a comment. The womanosphere, on the other hand, would have you believe that coming from women it's somehow a different thing, it's somehow not a problem or even positivel…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/08/24 02:35 PM
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Most consent-based legal definitions either include a lack of reasonable belief in consent, by the perpetrator, as an element of the crime, or they allow an honest but mistaken belief in consent as complete defence. Yeah, but that's still a justification or excuse, an exception that you have to invoke and prove, an affirmative defence typically, and the burden is on you, the risk is on you, etc. She still gets to be a victim and you become a sort of rapist that isn't criminally guilty of what he…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 07:20 PM
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Yes, and at that point it's ridiculous to call it assault. Some form of extortion, deceit or taking advantage of a person or situation perhaps, if the circumstances were ambiguous. But assault? Let's get sane. It's not impossible for a person to have doubts concerning the freezing response or some form of psychological pressure, but women are taking it too far with trying to make it rape whenever they experience doubts post-fact or beging to second-guess or regret their sexual choices. This is w…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 05:25 PM
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Or a man being propositioned as being under a duty not to refuse. Or a woman wanting a particular man as being entitled to get him.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 05:16 PM
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I'm not a rapist, I don't sympathize with rape, it's traumatizing to me, and I'm disturbed by how low sentences rapists get (while realizing that the way the rules are written, the judges often have little choice). But for the same reason I'm sensitive to misandrists' double standards and disregard for male consent, as well as to false accusations. A false accusation of rape (or some other form of sexual violence) following consensual sex should be treated as a sexual offence. If false accusers …
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 05:16 PM
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Thank you. Firstly, for the first paragraph. It's important for me to get reassurance that I'm not crazy and that someone else also realizes that the sort of denial we're talking about is just the sort of way a person who had said something in the earnest but miscalculated the anticipated response would do in order to avoid the backlash. Yes, analyses are going to be subjective because people who subjectively believe whatever they're saying will tend to pass the proverbial polygraph, those who b…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 12:34 PM
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I still have some faith in the professionalism of therapists, focusing on the patient's well-being first and so on, but now that you mention, they could easily be used as enforcers of feminist dogma. My primary proposition is that people with a massive case of first-hand or second-hand PTSD (reading a lot of aggressively misandrist literature in one's late teens could probably result in something like secondary cPTSD, similarly to as if the person had read tons of graphic memories from armed con…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 11:59 AM
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On the other hand, if she is then seated next to a non-misandrist woman and rants to her about how much she hates men, that's probably going to be unpleasant for the non-misandrist. Or she could make a convert to her cause. I'm not really afraid of that possibility, as it's probably slim. On the other hand, I'm afraid of the cumulative conversion effect from such anti-male measures abound and be normalized. The first one or two are gonna be the toughest, for the next couple there would be preced…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/08/24 11:38 AM
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I'm a firm believer in expecting women to make as big a deal of male consent as they are currently making of female consent. Ideally, the threshold would be a bit lower than that (i.e. lower than proposed by unhinged activists who believe wife taking pity on husband equals husband raping wife; such activists should be disbarred and fired from teaching positions if they are lawyers and should be fired from law-enforcement or legislative positions or jury service) and equal for both sexes. Feminis…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/08/24 07:08 PM
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I may be having an autistic moment, but going by the Wikipedia definition (and this is the first time I hear the term 'Poe's Law' while I'm somewhat familiar with the problem it describes): Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views. It's easy for people to claim that they were just joking, using sarcasm or …
/r/EverydayMisandry19/08/24 06:13 PM
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Suffrage is a matter of equality, control of pregnancy is not, if only for the sole reason that men can't be pregnant.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/08/24 05:51 PM
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I'm happy to able to avoid having to sit next to someone who has a pathological aversion to sitting next to me. I'm not happy with the degree of unabashed sexism that is promoted among women, nor with being designated as the worse of the two sexes. Women need to take some responsibility for their mental health and emotional balance and for generally acting like a responsible adult in society.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/08/24 05:32 PM
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I deleted my comment because I don't want to make anyone feel worse when they're already at the brink. If you're there, seek help. Your life is important and precious, no matter what deranged misandrists say. As for me, misandry is like being killed, tortured, attacked, cancelled. But we must survive and live another day. Society unfortunately gives free rein to misandrists, who have pretty hijacked the voice of society and now use society's resources not to just to not care about men's mental h…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/07/24 01:06 PM
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Sometimes I would tell a story to gauge the girl's reaction, but one needs to be prepared to face a direct 'why are you telling me that?' sort of question — which is a good opportunity for a 'because I…' (gentle but confident, rather than a weak defensive 'uh oh'). 'How much of a feminist would you consider yourself?' at least introduces the subject. If she asks in what way or sense (which is logical to ask), that too is a good starter. 'Do you believe that men and women are equally good human b…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/07/24 08:49 AM
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I would associate the 'value' talk with 'persons of quality' and other classist language with a sort of NRX/retro vibe; an implication of class superiority, connected with social stratification among people not having the benefit of a noble title or rank, so subtler, more based on que and pretences of a better genealogy or some other kind of 'betterness' than people have to argue if they don't have a straightforward 'count' or 'duke' before their name (or de/von/of particle in their surname, not…
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/24 08:58 PM
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When men talk about women's unrealistic standards: You don't have to date women, stop dating women then. Worse, and I've been there. You can be accused (socially, not legally) of essentially trying to coerce those women to get together with men they don't want (i.e. too 'low value' for them), and that's the most offensive thing, except you of course aren't even suggesting that but are simply saying it's their own choice to be single. And they also say 'lol! just get better'. The other way round?…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/07/24 04:28 PM
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As a man, I am disgusted by fondness women have for violence. And also by the hypocrisy for coming up with extremely idealized notions of consent (she wasn't consenting if she wasn't enthusiastic before and after, perfectly happy, etc., as opposed to the consent required for the formation of a legal contract or the level of consent for medical prodecures) and at the same time literally fantasizing about getting raped or enjoying some other woman get raped. Seriously sick crap. It's turning me ha…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/07/24 04:24 PM
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How do you know that women meet more bad men than the vice versa? Next, how does 'settle for the bare minimum or below' relate to 'treat me as a human being'? I always keep bringing to women's attention the dehumanizing, objectifying language they use when talking about 'value' and the condescending/superiority implications of 'settling' and stuff like that, but I hit a glass wall with that. As for getting older and 'needing to settle', she's probably referencing 'the wall' — and that's a point …
/r/EverydayMisandry25/07/24 04:16 PM
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I could actually defend that, though. Imagine SAHM + sole breadwinner. She collects rare stamps, he collects rare coins. He says that, because he's the one working for the money (according to him, which I dispute), they are going to be buying coins but not stamps. Or she likes cats, he likes dogs, they get dogs only. That would be abusive. The other side of the coin is that in those SH+BW scenarios women seem to act like the money is earned by the couple together while the housekeeping and homem…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 08:46 PM
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The comment isn't event coherent, and it's coming from a place of emotional trauma. Unfortunately, it's also in keeping with the typical low-effort low-IQ kind of 'rational' thinking that modern democracies have sunk to in the 21st century. The person needs to slow down, take several deep breaths, calm down, think well and present a structured argument. Then I can comment on it. But: Unless we're talking about rape, what's that with 'some man's kid'? Working and disposable income kind of goes to…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 08:35 PM
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(Ct'd) I think part of the problem is that because of (1) chivalry specifically in Poland, not sure about other countries; (2) some religious underpinnings for that chivalry (motherhood, purity); and (3) socialism (those guys were very serious about equality but had zero interest in rivalry because they needed cohesion) we were generally spared the worst discrimination of women, and the sort of discrimination that used to happen and still happens in the West — like women unable to advance profes…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 08:04 PM
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Yes. Writing from Poland now. Trad chivalry meets Left feminism for an explosive cocktail of common denominators. Not everybody's idea of feminism or gender balance or gender equity, etc., is equal, so there are several different competing visions, but there seems to be an intense competition and rivalry between the sexes. A red-pill guy once claimed, and I'm inclined to agree with him, that this has something to do with Polish women's physical type of guy, which does not coincide with the type …
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 07:39 PM
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Definitely depends on the criteria we use, and they're going to differ from one issue to the next. It's not rare for an issue to be regarded as 'miso' by both teams (and some things could technically be both, I guess).
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 07:05 PM
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Could be older use of language, where men = people or you refer to people as either man or woman (singular or plural) depending on what they are, kind of like pars pro toto. Not everyone fully shares modern sensibilities (I once new a relatively radical feminist who disliked the singular they). 'Those are some very rich dudes,' probably wouldn't raise eyebrows, despite being gendered. If we hypothetically regard 'men' as not emotionally charged but a neutral descriptor rather than contrasting re…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 07:03 PM
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Subtle enough to be deniable or explicable, so I'm afraid the benefit of the doubt belongs to them.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 06:59 PM
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The one thing I don't like about dealing with women is how it's bad if you do and bad if you don't (e.g. give someone that kind of attention), and further bad for you if you have a problem with the inconsistency, and real bad if you complain about it. But back to the 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' — men are literally castigated for showing interest and for not showing it. Apparently, you can't avoid castigation by falling somewhere in the middle. You can't avoid it by asking about her p…
/r/EverydayMisandry22/07/24 10:23 PM
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No, it's pretty abstract but can be taken almost literally. It means that not all men cause problems but all problems are caused by men. Problems of a specific kind. In this case, probably violence. The speaker is perhaps not expressing a lack of confidence in men's moral character in direct terms but rather the exasperating impression that there exists a correlation between one's sex and one's propensity for violence. As if male sex is not a guaranteed or violence but a high risk factor that al…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/07/24 02:18 PM
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He shouldn't have had to resort to white lies to avoid ideological coercion, though. Making people profess certain views without asking them if they share those views, or views they don't share, is quite extreme. In his situation, I would have called them out too. Just no politics, only violation of my human rights.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/07/24 07:45 PM
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Another thing is the sort of logic that because things are distinctly male-dominated at the apex, women should be placed above men on the middle tiers. For the fact that the most powerful CEOs are mostly male, the middle-class man should pay. Like using an argument from the c-suite to force a reshuffle in women's favour through the mid ranks. How about, if most CEOs are male, we make 80% low/mid management female? That kind of logic.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/07/24 06:57 PM
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Sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don't. Why does it have to be competitive, adversarial or hostile? I'm increasingly disappointed with the empathy gap that women don't even seem to be embarrassed by openly embracing right now. It's no way for a human being to treat or regard a human being (or even an animal being), no matter what.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/07/24 06:52 PM
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An IT guy, first name of Adam, from Warsaw, Poland. Some IT company. Bosses marked the Pride parade in the company calendar, stating that employees' presence at it was 'required'. Literally 'required', rather than 'mandated', but it was still, well, a requirement. He got immediately fired for writing, in a respectful manner, that in his opinion an IT company, not being a political party, should not be influencing its employees' political views, which were, according to him, a private matter, and…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/07/24 06:47 PM
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Anti-white racism is a problem, but I don't think it's taken more seriously than misandry. Whites and males are both poorly relatable (and perhaps selected as the designated public enemy for that very reason). As for heterophobia, I haven't experienced it. You could say hetero is regarded as boring, but I don't think it's persecuted or discriminated against, other than the troubling amounts of money awarded by governments to LGBT NGOs for their social/cultural projects in a time of austerity whe…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/07/24 12:14 PM
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I wouldn't like to generalize overmuch, but as a man, yes, it is somewhat exasperating how women seem to be attracted to and complaining about the same guys, whose relevant traits are apparently both good and bad, attractive and repulsive, in a sort of 'love and hate' dynamic, which results in a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' (damned if you're toxic, damned if you aren't) sort of dynamic from the guy's POV. I'm not a big fan of the love-and-hate dynamic women have with dark-triad traits…
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 07:48 PM
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I don't want to deny the existence of the problem of the acceptability of sexually objectifying comments in male groups. It exists, and it's awful. I'm frankly traumatized by what other guys say. What's also awful — and quite traumatizing to a young guy — is that quite a few women are fine with that type of gross stuff and even find you to be weird (or a pansy) if you don't engage in it but are more of a romantic sort who would compliment a person's hair or eyes rather than their ass. Next, if y…
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 07:40 PM
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Like what? Are white folks responsible for wars fought in Africa, India, China and wherever-have-you before contact with or interference from whites? Wars between nations over pieces of territory or trade rights or zones of influence are hardly fought just for the benefit of the male part of the population, even if the decision makers are all male, which wasn't necessarily the case even in the 19th century and prior. Next, if a selfish despot (or even a fair and just ruler) calls a war, should p…
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 05:41 PM
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If misandry and 'patriarchy' reigned, would such books be available from bookstores and their publishers substantially free from social backlash? The above is practically evidence that we live in a gynocentric society, whatever inequalities there might exist in some parts of it favouring men.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 12:59 PM
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Thank you. I was wondering if something like that couldn't be very widespread or even somewhat universal in its milder forms — a bell curve where clear-cut abusers are equally as rare as people completely free of the problem, with everybody else being somewhere in the spectrum and the majority having a noticeable mild case leaning on the moderate. I suppose the effects of despotic fathers on a woman's childhood could create a sort of Abuse Lite effect, and there's obviously the problem that more…
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 10:37 AM
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Yes, that's also (more commonly?) called 'male disposability'. Male disposability is social, whereas the sperm/egg dynamic analysed in a supply/demand light (economic analysis) would be the biological/evolutionary underpinning. Male disposability probably has more than one such underpinning. It seems to be multifaceted. In old times, of course, it used to be leveraged by men (e.g. claiming rights for men in recognition for men's risking or having risked their lives, akin to 'thank you for your s…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 08:20 PM
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Several issues: Ovulation vs rest of the month affects women's libido levels and type of man they're attracted to (e.g. stronger vs more caring, adventurous and risk-taking vs stable and predictable). Cheap sperm vs expensive egg is both the biological reality and the base female mating strategy. The result is that men meeting the same social parameters as the woman (e.g. birth, wealth, education, even physical attractiveness) are not seen as her equal matches, because symmetrical counterparts i…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 05:38 PM
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I tend to think there's also a tendency to regard women as victims of circumstances, even where their own actions are concerned, so that even if they do something, that's men making them do it. Or society. This is similar to the liberal-lawyer fallacy (my client isn't guilty; society is). And there seems to be a tendency for women to keep their self-image as spotless as possible and as elevated as possible, within some limits. I'm not sure how this compared to men's tendency to lionize themselve…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 04:26 PM
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Well, it's like bastard feudalism. Remember the time when villain service (corvée labour) no longer existed in the UK, it was all rents paid in cash to the landlord, there wasn't really serfdom any more, everybody was personally free, but the relationships in the countryside were still very much feudal? The last remnants of feudal jurisdiction held over until the 18th century in Scotland (and were removed because they were the primary source of Jacobite influence and manpower) but some token rem…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 03:33 PM
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I am saying this without misandry (hopefully at least), but the discrepancy between the common perception and the reality of the ratios is very concerning. The discrepancy between women's generally pristine and superlative image of themselves, especially in comparison to men, and the reality is also very concerning. I think it's time to discuss the gendered (biological?) tendency to whitewash one's own individual image and the collective image of one's own sex, to invoke hypoagency, to shift bla…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 03:02 PM
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Since when are feminists against having a social pyramid with the most powerful men at the apex, women in the middle and ordinary men at the bottom? Feminism and 'patriarchy' are perfectly compatible, as long as feminists are willing to concede the absolute top in order to be placed above the average man. This will satisfy both Left-wing feminists and Right-wing traditional ladies, as well as the men who stand to gain from the arrangement. The rest of men, sucks to be them. This is actually part…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 01:50 PM
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Some men, yes. And there is more of a problem than society is ready to admit. All men? Nope. Problems with women not taking a no for an answer from a man also exist. Women being into BDSM or having rape fantasies (which I personally find sick and offputting) or enjoying materials that depict sexual violence also exist. There's a difference between people who put cameras in toilets and people who look at nice pictures of the opposite sex at Insta. And 'innocent pictures with nothing sexual in the…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 01:43 PM
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Autistic men can also face an increased risk of false accusations. It's not difficult to accuse an autistic man of having failed to identify and act on on a cue for him to back off. It's difficult for an autistic man to argue that he had a 'reasonable belief of consent' on the basis of not having noticed any cues of dissent (or even having noticed cues of assent) in the woman's speech or behaviour. Situations can always be turned around so that he failed to notice something subtle. If she says s…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 03:39 PM
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Without calling myself a feminist, and with the exception that I'm pro-life and hold a more nuanced view on what was advantageous or not in past centuries (accounting for the factor of danger vs protection), I agree with pretty much all of the stuff you wrote in the 'I agree' paragraph. There seems to be a problem with women not realizing that themselves and other women enforce roles and enforce them in quite a toxic way, i.e. not the way a constructive role or archetype cold have been designed.…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 03:25 PM
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I wouldn't presume misandry, but the important question is whether the poster holds single women to the same standard.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 02:52 PM
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Well, one way is to check the facts, and facts can't be prejudiced or biased, only their interpretations can be. If Pinterest truly has mostly female users (no idea) and if it truly is the most calm, unproblematic app ever (no idea), then it's fair to hypothesize the existence of some correlation and verify it, also checking for other explanations and checking the user behaviour at mostly-male apps focused around non-contentious topics. Men's hobby spaces aren't exactly violent.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 02:49 PM
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But you know what's troubling? The online isn't really a fantasy, it's not suddenly different people than there exist in real life. It's the same people speaking (writing) in different circumstances and often with fewer filters. The 'real women' are not exactly not on Reddit or Facebook or online message boards (e.g. forums attached to dating portals). If you listen to blogs and read podcasts (or was that the other way round? ;)), read articles or booklets written by women, or listen to women sp…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 02:11 PM
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My post came out too long (sorry, looks like my brand of autism, ADHD or OCD), so maybe let me try to rephrase with fewer words: Men — not all but the average blokes — want to be left in peace and allow to just basically live their lives in peace, without having to wear something like a bullseye on their back or coloured badge on their sleeve or undergo humiliating social ceremonies. They don't even ask for perfect equality, fairness or justice or empathy or whatever, but rather for a reasonable…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 01:59 PM
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'10 years ago, there was nowhere near as much of this gender divide going on.' — That's why exact observation, same number. Ten years, fifteen, twenty, that's my frame of reference. I may sound misogynistic to ekhm… the typical neurotypical (allistic) person who doesn't really read what they read but skim and vibe and jump to emotional conclusions, but I think part of the problem lies in women's difficulties adjusting to equal rights and equal opportunities, where there is a notable gap between …
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 11:18 AM
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At some point I was told my problems with women came from looking for my dad (who I grew up mostly without) in them. Weird stuff I don't necessarily agree with it. But it can sometimes be the same-sex parent who was abusive or absent or missing, yes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 06:47 PM
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I'm really happy to see ‘not splitting the world up in oppressors and oppressed and thinking the latter group is right a priori’ appear among the Left, and it's sad that the younger generations aren't getting it (intellectual laziness and emotional reasoning?) but are thinking it's their duty to stand always for their tribe, or a protected tribe, or whoever is simplistically designated to be the underdog in all interactions and relationships involving them, regardless of any modalities or circum…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 04:15 PM
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That's why I say big-tech companies shouldn't be allowed to operate their platforms without some form of supervision. But by supervision I don't mean: their pals from deep within the mid-management ranks of a government department, where people transfer to and from the various NGOs depending on who wins or loses an election or wherever a promotion opportunity is available the sort of 'civil society' activists that volunteer for all sorts of jobs requiring objectivity and impartiality when they a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 03:48 PM
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That's why identity politics should be rejected by the Left, or if the 'power dynamics' thing is to stay, then at least let it be done properly, not used as a sort of simplified heuristic to the effect that a man should always lose in a dispute with a woman, majority vs minority, dominant vs not, like if you belong to a 'dominant' group, then nobody cares if you're a child gang-raped by a group of adults from a 'non-dominant' group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 03:38 PM
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It's a bit of a public secret how much social-media operators rely on automated moderation. So that's one thing. The other thing is the type of person volunteering for admin and mod jobs online; their mental and emotional state.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 03:27 PM
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I wonder what the timing implies here, in contrast with the usual time one has to wait for a response from Reddit — was it a specific employee trying to outrace the others, making sure that they get to dismiss the report before someone else looks at it? Or was it a managerial intervention, or did PR or legal take over? The alacrity is prompting questions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 03:24 PM
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I think much of the misogyny we face is down to not only absent fathers (which is of course not only the fathers' fault), or abusive fathers, but also rejections by early boyfriends, exes, dates, crushes, etc. Basically, plenty of women are thoroughly traumatize. And some of them take it out like your ex did. It could even be a sort of auto-reject mechanism, a buffer for a person who was longing for intimacy but also working hard to avoid it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 03:13 PM
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… Or even go celibate.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 12:55 PM
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Using it is an insult that this men gets laid, that man does not — as if that gate kept by women separated the worthy from the unworthy — unfortunately tells you something about the state of the womanosphere, which is worryingly infantile.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 12:54 PM
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Insisting on labelling as dangerous every man who is not misandrous is going to lead to problems. The prevalence of misandry is going to lead to misogyny. It's already difficult not to be a misogynist when you see how much misandry is coming from women and how much acceptance it has, how little opposition it provokes, how women don't seem to care about the limit after limit that they cross.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 12:47 PM
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It depends. Manipulation of anti-sexism and anti-discrimination and anti-hate-speech law definitely is taking place to make its appplication one-sided. Those laws are used to shut men up and disband their support networks and safe spaces and other associations. There is a systemic aspect of it that involves the manipulation of law.
/r/MensRights12/07/24 04:03 PM
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Could have both. We could support men with that, and we could support men also when they don't go to the gym, don't know how to shoot a gun and aren't tech savvy but are just the usual office bloke or some sort of intellectual or artist.
/r/MensRights12/07/24 03:59 PM
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It does look like women may have a problem with self-awareness and with contradictory expectations. For a man, that's a Morton's fork — damned if you do, damned if you don't. What we should to is have compassion and empathy when they talk about it but also stop infantilizing them and, especially now after emancipation and equal rights, tell them: 'Welcome to adult life. Discomfort resulting from the inability to simultaneously satisfy two mutually exclusive desires is mostly your own responsibil…
/r/MensRights12/07/24 03:37 PM
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'Overwhelming majority of men enjoy seeing this happen to women, period. That’s a fact.' — Nice way of saying, 'I got no proof.'
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 03:23 PM
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White people can't be vulnerable? Men can't be vulnerable? Regardless of circumstances? What sort of irrationality is that? Women can be vulnerable, men can't. How convenient. How equal. Next thing we're going to hear is that women are a protected minority in a society in which they represent 51% of the voter base.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 03:21 PM
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Well, in case they are reading us here, I gotta point it out that's some unhealthy behaviour.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 03:18 PM
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I would cut them some slack if it was different employees understanding the same rule a little differently in close cases, but they definitely need to be called out on blatant inconsistencies, especially when it looks like all employees hold the same political views and all act on them in similar degrees and so contrary to a reasonable reading of the guidelines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 03:17 PM
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Instant permabans is mods and admins making their work too easy and using silly logic to justify that. Basically just to save themselves the effort of counting down the warnings or keeping tabs on probation. In short, an overstimulated or tired or lazy mind trying to limit the number of stimuli needed to process to a minimum. When I'm the admin or mod, I generally reserve permabans to people who are unqualified to join, e.g. intermediaries responding to job ads intended for freelancers, and that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 03:14 PM
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That depends really, the bias, I mean. There's probably enough bias going on from either side and so many negative comments that you're going to feel crushed whether you're Left or Right, conservative or progressive. Reddit in particular seems to have a leftist slant. As 'everything you said but for yourself' => ban for you but not for the person you quoted and reversed… ugh, that requires some serious mental gymnastics/denial from the mod/admin. With men's issues, I think it's because of emotio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 03:10 PM
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I limit my investment of time, effort and especially emotions (relationships, sense of belonging, attachment, etc.) based on how reasonable or unreasonable, or unhinged, the moderators or administrators of a given community seem to be. And no offence to mods or admins — I've been a moderator here, administrator there myself for more than 20 years now. It's a fact that our personalities affect the welfare of our communities, and this includes our fairness and rationality. Specifically on Reddit, …
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 12:21 PM
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The point is, are they real feminists to begin with? Or are they the old-style egalitarian feminists or modern female supremacists? Because, of course, calling Stalin a Left-wing politician could be technically right, but it wouldn't be the same thing as a social democrat. On one level, it's as simple as that if you support supremacy or privilege, you can't simultaneously be supporting equality. If you keep pushing for improvement of your position past the point of equality, you aren't fighting …
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 11:46 AM
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If it even was true feminism, then maybe it could be helping men. Actual, true feminists actually help guys out in some of those discussions, when they get tired of the younger or more emotionally dysregulated crop dissociating women from accountability for their actions and infantilizing women in general as a result. A true Scotswoman, I mean, a true feminist, will come in and say, 'well, look sisters, that's making us look less intellectually, emotionally and overall mentally developed compare…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 11:43 AM
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It does look like they are operating exclusively on the 'marginalized group' ideological principle, taken to an extreme (some sort of radical/weird sociological theory?), where any whiff of negativity (down to reserve or lack of approval even?) is taken as 'hate', which is obviously way exaggerated, but as long as it can be argued that the target is not in any specific 'marginalized group', the hater will be fine. And a man will, of course, never be in a marginalized group. They should be called…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 10:58 AM
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Let's say in some ways Reddit is not a beacon of rationality, and I think the owners/managers should be forced to take a look at the problem and improve their standards. I think the problem may be coming down to allowing a moody person's idiosyncratic quirks to determine the decisions without oversight or overturning, as in a well-liked employee whom the managers don't want to reverse even if the employee makes a bad (arbitrary, irrational) decision. Some sort of a 'tribe' problem. Could be wron…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 10:52 AM
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That stuff apparently happens regardless of sympathy lines. Some sort of automation can be involved. Other mods from other subs have complained about it in the past.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 10:46 AM
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The lack of self-awareness in modern members of the intelligentsia is astounding, especially in social sciences and humanities. And not to be sexist, but especially the female ones. It's not that the male ones are never prone to saying or doing bizarre things or showing serious problems, but they seem to be mostly in here, while the female ones often seem to be already out there. More disconnected. This is a real problem with feminist professors.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 10:43 AM
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Isn't the entire conflict between the sexes caused by each sex thinking it deserves more than the other or deserves to get it first or whatever, resulting in a squabble over who should be making the first move and maybe what rights does that give? I see quite a lot of a sense of entitlement to unconditional love coming from single women, generally in a greater degree than from single men. The men generally seem to want someone to appreciate them for what they do, to reciprocate their feelings or…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 10:39 AM
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I've been seeing quite a lot of female aggression getting directed against men for exercising choice. Apparently, a woman can date or not date whomever she wants and should not be judged or commented on because if it — a man not so much. Same goes with consent like making a super big deal of it in situations involving women who really should be held accountable for their choices, but totally not caring about the same kind of nuance — or basic notion of consent — with regard to a man (e.g. passed…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:51 PM
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Word! Upvoting that wasn't enough. I can't pick my jaw up from the floor seeing how unbothered women are by their own double standards.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:46 PM
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The littany of anaphoric unqualified 'men kill' is so sexist she should be facing an ethical charge for it. If she plays the MH card for women but refuses it for men, she should be disbarred. Or suspended and having her own MH diagnosed and addressed from the perspective of fitness for practice.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:43 PM
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The world doesn't revolve around women, alone or in a contrapositiion with men. Don't gay people risk violence when ending toxic relationships? Don't men risk blackmail or false accusations when parting ways with a toxic girlfriend? People hurt people when ending relationships. And I'm really concerned about all the demands for making whatever relates to women on any specific issue a priority or top priority. Again, the world doesn't revolve around women. There are other people in the world too.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:38 PM
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Somehow, if a woman does something, her sex doesn't matter; but if a man does something, his sex does.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:34 PM
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Crime has always been around, and we aren't running in circles screaming that the protection of life, freedom or property doesn't exist because a certain number of murders, false imprisonments and thefts are committed every year or, in larger countries or cities, every day. We need a rational, not emotional approach, or at the very least a modicum of emotional regulation and self-control. Killing a former romantic partner is not gendercide. A gay man killing an ex is not committing androcide. A …
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:32 PM
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I suspect they're going to hind behind 'power dynamics' and their 'marginalized group' theory and flex the limits of that (in a way that's actually contrary to the literal language of their rules) to make it so that a man can never be marginalized, and they only care about marginalized groups and not hate per se. But I wouldn't let them get away with that. They're really playing hardball and perhaps biting more than they can chew. The worst than can happen to them right now is attention and thei…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:06 PM
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I think an audit is needed into the standards of content moderation practised by Reddit employees. Perhaps in one of the company's departments an employee or two have been given a little too much of a free rein — meaning not enough supervision and accountability — and have allowed their own radical personal views to sway the process. This needs to be highlighted, and the company — not just the employee but also their manager and the manager's manager — must be brought to account. It's too egregi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 06:47 PM
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The first thing that makes both equal is lifelong monogamous marriage. When he makes her fertility window his own, when he too becomes limited by menopause and gestation, then they are on an equal footing with regard to rarity and abundance. She still goes through pregnancy and labour and he doesn't, but that's something that can be sorted out by e.g. requiring him to support her during that period, maybe take a second job when she's on unpaid maternal leave. A specific remedy in proportion to t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 06:09 PM
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My unpopular opnion is that extreme cases of PTSD in women need to be treated, not normalized. Culture and art especially need to stop inflicting secondary and tertiary PTSD on female audiences.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 05:58 PM
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Hybristophilia should be called out and addressed. I'm not advocating for stigmatizing it but only for explaining how it works and that it's not normal or acceptable but something to work on and apply filters against.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:31 PM
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Coming from a conservative background, I will sound strange to myself saying this, but we need to avoid letting 'femicide' become something like 'regicide' or 'infanticide' or some other form of murder aggravated by a personal characteristic of the victim — unless the murder truly has a gender motive, in which case androcide should of course be used symmetrically. It kind of looks like there are still enough men clinging to the last vestiges of chivalry (despite probably most people being Left-w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:28 PM
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Ah yes, I can see that with the paragraphs. I picked the same style up some 20–25 years ago from the press and Internet when learning English as a second language, but my teachers were still old-school and preferred book-style longer paragraphs. They would even mark you down for paragraphs shorter than three sentences, I think. And I'm talking English teachers. In my first language, dude! In the 19th century, books sometimes had fewer paragraphs than pages.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:18 PM
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I'm not saying there is a connection, but there seems to be a double (two-way) empathy gap between neurodivergent and neurotypical people and, I'm guessing, different kinds of neurodivergence. Many kinds of ND are largely genetic. It is not an accident that out of all their (well, our) social troubles, 'lacking game' and stuff like that, we NDs generally struggle the most with dating. That's probably not just a thematically selective dysfunction that affect romantic relationships, it's probably …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:11 PM
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Totally off-topic, sigh, but it's a one-of-a-kind moment to meet someone online who still cares to hyphenate compound adjectives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:42 PM
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It's beyond me how that sort of stuff coming from women has become socially acceptable.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 04:38 PM
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Thank you. That's beyond incredible. I am aware that the admins sometimes have biased reasoning or underhanded methods, but if wishing rape on someone doesn't violate their own community standards according to them… let's just say that sort of hypocritical shit needs to be called out. I'm thinking about legal steps also, basically filing a criminal report against Reddit staff over their refusal to intervene/condoning that comment, which may well be criminal in itself, depending on which country'…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 04:25 PM
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Even if we agree that rape must include penetration, it's still moronic to argue that a woman forcing a man, e.g. at gunpoint, to penetrate her isn't committing rape. It's even more moronic to argue that a woman having a go at it and e.g. penetrating herself with a passed-out man's penis isn't raping him. The logic seems to reek of the idea that sex is a benefit conferred on a man, so he doesn't have a right to complain based on whether he wanted it or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:18 PM
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Attractive men can face jealousy from women both because of looks/attractiveness per se and because of their ability to be selective, which some women view as women's exclusive privilege. Attractive men can also be targeted for revenge false accusations after rejecting a woman's advances, which they have more opportunity to do. They of course have more opportunity to face unwanted advances or be objectified. They are probably also more likely to be targeted for harassment simply because of being…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:12 PM
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I thought chivalry — special respect for women — was sexist? There's a difference between the topic of respect and the topic of murder. Isn't someone redirecting a bit here?
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 04:02 PM
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Reddit admins need to be called out. That's wishing rape on someone on its face. How much of a hypocrite can one be?
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 03:51 PM
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As in Reddit admins, not sub mods?
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 03:51 PM
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Consider frequency. Being laughed at is not the same as being killed. Sure. But how do hundreds killed compare to millions or tens or hundreds of millions having to live with emotional and verbal abuse every day?
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 03:49 PM
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The problem is that you can't call a woman out for anything because that's apparently misogyny, especially if you're a man. Any form of criticism or even lack of approval is 'hate' — I think we as society need to address the problem of female aversion to criticism and the (often toxic) lengths gone to because of it by many women online.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 01:46 PM
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A male murderer killing three women does not translate into men thinking they can 'end' women. It is debatable whether actual murderers think they own their victims and can 'end' them. I would say some murderers think themselves to be in their right, some are conscious of not having the right to do what they are doing. The exact proportion is something one would have to ask a criminologist about. A gender difference between the criminal and their victim does not in itself establish a gender moti…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 01:42 PM
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Stalls are one thing, but 'people with penises' have no business being allowed into teenage girls' showers or locker rooms, and no school or educational authority has any business asking, let alone telling, girls to strip naked in front of people with male genitalia. Men will feel threatened to a much lesser extent in similar situations but boys aren't men grown, and men's modesty, privacy, mental and emotional comfort also matter. Female cleaners are usually ignored by men using urinals (to the…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/07/24 01:03 PM
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As a criminal lawyer, I gotta say that's retarded. Anyone who wants to distinguish the parties to a criminal trial — defendant and accuser — on the basis of their sexes and not the facts of the case has their priorities wrong. There is nothing misogynistic about not giving women a unicorn pass with regard to the justice system, including litigation, whichever side of it they happen to be on (wouldn't their cry about misogyny in a presumed-guilty-until-proven-innocent jurisdiction, on behalf of f…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/07/24 12:22 PM
7

The last part looks like an in-your-face lie, as in known by the speaker/writer to be false. 'If you are upset,' seems to stand in conflict with, 'men like you who make excuses for them.' Ignorantio elenchi maybe or just an instrumental accusation (argument to shame). Next, if women were murdered by partners or other male family members (aren't rapes also usually by people the victim already knows), a stranger doesn't fit in the crowd, so the statistic doesn't even apply to him, before you consi…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/07/24 09:24 AM
1

Sounds like a traumatized person. Why is he holding the man she barely dates accountable (I presume this doesn't mean a non-live-in relationship but the first couple of dates) and what for? What sort of 'reverse victim and offender' does she have in mind, and why does the man have to be the offender? Why does — even in her own words — everything revolve around her criticizing them? As for talking to women like to children, I don't do that unless they act like children. Doesn't she internally hav…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/07/24 08:10 PM
5

When it comes to catcalling or obscene stuff, I would agree with her. When it comes to approaching, I wouldn't. To be fair, a lot of those apparently 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situations only appear to be such, because the audience is falling into the trap of the fallacy of the excluded middle. By contrast, one has to consider the middle ground between the extremes. Think Aristotle. To be fair also, some of those situations are Morton's forks devised by a troubled mind that is livi…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/07/24 01:29 PM
8

Thankfully not all, but many do. Too many. The womanosphere has got out of hand, and reinforcement is a problem. Some 15–20 years ago, a lady a generation older would have stepped in and corrected the most irrational attitudes, even from the perspective of feminism. Nowadays it's difficult to see radicals be contradicted.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/07/24 03:37 PM
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I don't have a right to retaliate, but I have a discretionary right to use force proportionate to repelling an assault. I can run, but I can also stand my ground. If it were my own wife whom I knew to be highly stressed, I probably wouldn't break her arm to avoid having my nose broken, for example, but if getting assaulted on a date, I might. If you lunge to hit a man, he side-steps and you lose balance and fall, any damage you suffer from that fall is on you. If you swing at a man, he dodges/du…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/07/24 08:02 AM
3

And what if? Don't women feel 'me' when they hear or see 'women' from a misogynist?
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 08:23 PM
2

Uniformity. Reference models and general patterns are one thing, and they are good guideline for most people, but pressure for uniformity without leaving room for individual personalities, talents, etc. is a problem. Like, treating statistical generalizations as binding prescripts. Or people's problems with simplificaton — essentially, bounded rationality and the excessive use of simplified heuristics to make the thinking easier — and the desire to have a key to all men or all men by treating th…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 02:24 PM
5

I'm not sure I could kill an unarmed combat instructor or even sports fighter with my own hands. I'm pretty sure an unarmed combat instructor would be able to kill me with her bare hands. Wouldn't even have to be a trained fighter. Just because the average woman is shorter and lighter than the average man doesn't mean you can't meet a woman who's larger than you. Larger, taller, heavier. Smaller, nimbler and more agile can kill you too, though that typically goes with combat training. Sure, the …
/r/EverydayMisandry28/06/24 09:53 AM
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Questionable distinction. If they want to say misandry doesn't normally take the scale misogyny does, they should say that. Any idea that misandry is somehow intrinsically prevented from escalating to violence would be indefensible, as would be the idea that the slightest form of misogyny leads to women's deaths, so for example you take two sexist jokes that are mutual reversals and one of them leads to death, the other only to irritation — nope that's not how it works.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/06/24 09:32 AM
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'Men don't want to be care givers.' What about: 'Women don't want to be providers' or 'women don't want to be protectors'? It wouldn't be at all surprising if people of a particular sex were finding it more difficult per average to act outside of their default roles than inside. Can't say one is worse than the other when the same logic applies to both. If there's a recent and relevant study, with proper methodology, we can talk about the results, whatever they are.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 01:42 PM
13

There is a chance you know some predators without knowing who they are. But that's not a reason for treating everyone with suspicion or for scaremongering or even taking the 'flags' out of proportion, or for judging people on flags instead of acts. Fear/anxiety => therapy, not lectern. Some folks need to learn to seek help to make themselves feel better instead of trying to make other people feel worse. Strictly speaking, 'many men are bad' and 'many men are good' aren't mutually exclusive. Both…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 01:36 PM
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Misandry will lead to misogyny. The more spiteful or blatantly unfair the misandry, the more misogyny it will produce. Other than irritating the violent misogynistic men, it can also cancel the empathy and protective instincts felt for women by egalitarian men and can lead to rude awakenings for those men who are friendly to women, put them on a pedestal, romanticize or idealize them. It doesn't take a Nobel winner to figure out that if you hurt people, they will eventually strike back or at the…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/24 05:20 PM
1

Because of disorders (ADHD, OCD and some more), I have an extreme kind of indecisiveness, so I can empathize with how it affects a person, and I can see why a person would say they weren't consenting — turmoil, swinging back and forth, ambivalence, suspension, decision-making impasse/deadlock and relying on emotional or other impulses as a way out of overly complicated rational comparisons of pros and cons (overthinking). But that sort of thing doesn't normally qualify for a challenge to contrac…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/24 04:20 PM
1

My belief is that when the victim — and they are a real victim, just not specifically the particular guy's victim — makes a mistake, for example miscalculates a communication strategy, response strategy or survival strategy, that mistake should not be on a person who was not an assailant. Someone being hurt in some connection with your behaviour doesn't always mean you hurt them. Sometimes it means you were an occasion or tool. A person could trip over your dead or unconscious body and break a l…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/24 03:30 PM
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They're taking about the sort of extreme survival strategy where some people actively act like they are consenting and later press criminal charges and claim that they feigned consent out of fear of what could have happened if they hadn't. At the complete extreme are people who initiate sex with you and then press criminal charges, and their story is that something in your attitude, behaviour, body language or whatever made them think that you wanted sex from them (which perhaps you did but that…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 01:59 PM
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Maybe a specific mate-seeking strategy?
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 12:33 PM
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How many men, even how many abusive men, actually kill women when they are rejected? Killers are outliers even among abusers. So why do we insist on treating all men as the worst of the worst? That is a fallacy, and if someone can't resist making that fallacy, they should go and have a conversation about it with their therapist. Re: saying no. Well, I have some interest in psychology, but I'm a criminal lawyer (jurist, more like), and long story short, I agree that a person freezing should make …
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 12:31 PM
2

I'd honestly prefer a bunch of gym and martial sports, but that's not an option for health reasons (five different spine conditions plus a solid bunch of respiratory crap). I got a doctor's ban on pretty much all physical work and a cute note saying I'm useless for military service (which would have been my first choice of job but for the physicals). So I guess no workarounds, gotta suck it up and see the shrink and/or a therapist, despite all my reservations about psychology (mostly about teach…
/r/MensRights21/06/24 10:36 PM
2

Are you contacting the police? It's not just about the charges, she may need mental help.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/06/24 04:30 PM
1

I think I am beginning to understand the claims that men don't support each other and create a hostile environment for one another, even though you might be correct on the merits of your advice, for which I thank you, though I would ask you to reconsider the first sentence on the merits and the second on the tone.
/r/MensRights21/06/24 01:30 PM
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I thank you for your advice, though it would be difficult for me to support the tone and word choice. Perhaps your subjectively experienced level of indignation and felt need to express it are objectively justified, I don't want to exclude such a possibility too hastily, but it could have been expressed differently, and I would ask you to ask yourself if it truly was necessary to express the full extent of what you expressed in your comment.
/r/MensRights21/06/24 01:27 PM
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Thank you. Would there be a cutoff date on the other side of the age axis? I'm wary of the 'third youth' sort of thing happening to some older psychologists (and coaches, counsellors, relationship speakers and whatnot) who seem to turn against men and side with women or at least flatter women a lot (ingratiation) while putting younger men down (competition?). Some of the boomer generation seem to have caricaturally simplistic Tarzan-and-Jane sort of gender roles in mind and have the idea of men'…
/r/MensRights19/06/24 02:15 PM
1

Sometimes I think we're supposed to hide our emotions but deny that we are hiding them and make a better job at hiding them. Maybe pretend that we're opening up without truly opening up.
/r/MensRights19/06/24 10:51 AM
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Without disputing the facts but more like trying to work out the most probable explanation — couldn't it be that some of the most vile and horrific stuff comes from people who feel rejected by the opposite sex? Like, for example, those 'lesbians' who aren't true lesbians but have turned towards women due to being unable to get the guys they were interested in to be interested in them, e.g. rejection by a couple of their first crushes? Of course, the hate towards men would then be pre-existing, p…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 10:27 AM
2

From my experience, I don't buy into 'too much male attention' easily. It can exist, and I can't comment on the exact scale, so I'm not even presuming it to be small, but often when 'too much male attention' is the literal message, the true underlying sentiment seems to be the opposite. In many cases, that seems to be more like not enough attention from men in general or from specific men from whom it is desired but is not forthcoming. A sort of contrarian complaining. Thinking about a not-so-su…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 10:17 AM
2

But guess who would be fighting it for them.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 09:48 AM
1

There is a scale. It would be dishonest to claim that misandry tops out on irritation when on the side of the misandrist's intent (can we really say misandrists desire to do no more than irritate when their own words say otherwise?) or the effect on the victim (who knows that stops at irritation, and on what basis do they know it?). It would be likewise dishonest to claim that women are actually killed by misogynous words, for example, whereas men are merely irritated by misandrous measures goin…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 09:44 AM
1

The bathroom issue (though it shouldn't be trivialized with such names) isn't as simple as that. Biological sex isn't unimportant, and other people's rights matter too, especially if they're supposed to strip naked in front of someone and especially if they feel vulnerable about it. And 13 y.o. girls being asked or, like it can be with schools, literally ordered to strip naked under common showers with a person who is of the opposite biological sex, that's very vulnerable and very damaging, and …
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 07:39 AM
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If I wanted to pay for something nice to look at, I would be buying a painting. Even from an animal like a parakeet, I anticipate some mutual friendly interaction. Even with a pot flower, it's not like I strictly pay for the view.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/06/24 03:14 PM
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Just please please remember it wasn't a criticism of you, just a bitter guy talking about issues (or actions or attitudes) in a way that makes persons feel as if they were being judged. :)
/r/EverydayMisandry12/06/24 03:11 PM
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My apologies for the text wall. It has been pointed out to me that subjecting people to this sort of thing is unempathetic, which it pains me to have to agree with, but so far I haven't been successful in finding a better balance of saying what has to be said (avoidance of the risk of misinterpretation that comes from gisting) while also making it less taxing on the reader. Speaking of taxing, thank you for going through it, and for your supportive words in the end. Much appreciated.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/06/24 01:47 PM
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Indirectly related to your question, but I'd be afraid of the therapist imposing a negatively presented version of positive masculinity on me, i.e. just basically invalidating all your own needs, perceptions and whatever, just reframing yourself to find satisfaction in being useful to women while expecting nothing in return. Normally, I'm afraid of therapists effectively coaching people on how to be a successful Machievellian narcissist cum sociopath, i.e. put themselves first and make sure to d…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/06/24 01:08 PM
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Religion still works for me, though I keep having to point out bias quite often in discussions with people.
/r/MensRights09/06/24 11:47 AM
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Well, the daughter was just a child. Having an unstable partner is one thing, seeing a child go into foster care is another. But if the child has a mother who stabs people, then maybe foster care is a necessity.
/r/MensRights09/06/24 10:46 AM
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Thank you. I'm so sorry. For a moment, I thought maybe it was one of those situations like being pregnant from an ex while meeting one's eventual husband.
/r/MensRights09/06/24 12:10 AM
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Empathy is a tough nut to track, but at least there are ways of catching people lying. A book or two or dozen about body language, maybe some stuff like Dr Eric Berne's Games People Play (from before the political-correctness era) to get a hang of how players' brains are working, just for starters. And What Makes Narcissists Tick: https://www.scribd.com/document/229180690/What-Makes-Narcissists-Tick (recommended once to me by an empathetic lady after a conversation about my could-have-beens).
/r/MensRights09/06/24 12:04 AM
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With apologies and if you don't mind me asking, was that cheating or did they meet while she was pregnant or something? I'm trying to make sense of the situation.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 11:28 PM
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The author still blames it on men, though: 'Part of the reason this dearth of empathy exists is that too many men have abdicated their responsibilities. The men who are wounded by this brand of toxic messaging don’t speak up because they are afraid of the backlash, especially of being “canceled” or widely attacked on social media. They fear being labeled (unfairly) as extremist “Men’s Rights” apologists. And the men who do speak up rarely do so in a productive way. Too often they shrug and prete…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:31 PM
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Serious question: Are there any therapists (or shrinks) ready to give you therapy (or medication) for anxieties, PTSD, depression and other crap caused by the aggregate of this type of stuff in the world around you? Or will you automatically be classified as a case of misogyny or gynophobia for not being selectively blind to it or on the bandwagon justifying it? At this point, I think it's shrink time/therapy time for me.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/06/24 09:48 PM
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Sorry if a trigger (and it probably will be for me when I hear them, but I'm still asking), but can you recall the reasons given?
/r/EverydayMisandry08/06/24 09:40 PM
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And that sort of stuff can lead to finding ways to pin it on a man or men as a collective anyway. I'm sorry to be direct, but the tendency to shift blame away from self and onto men needs to be researched, discussed and tackled. Even if it's somehow biological and thus not fair to blame women for, e.g. a sort of natural coping mechanism for something, then it still needs to be analysed so we know how to offset it in organized society. And sorry for my focusing on men in this comment; the irony i…
/r/EverydayMisandry08/06/24 12:59 PM
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Acting like that — excluding male victims of even M-on-M abuse, with the intention of more spotlight or more pie for women, or all pie for women, i.e. putting the 0-sum game at 100/0 — is the best way to produce actual misogynists and turn men into actual sexists, incels or at least MGTOW. I was a supporter of not only equality but all sorts of pro-women agenda and generally focusing more on the female perspective and women's needs and interests. But when stuff like the above started not only ha…
/r/EverydayMisandry08/06/24 12:13 PM
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Re: second paragraph, I'm thinking Morton's fork. Re: third, that could be part of the broader 'nice guy' debate and would follow the same patterns. Thin line between 'nah, I don't want to feel like I owe you' and '[insert expletive], [insert accusation]'.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/06/24 11:47 AM
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Political correctness must be put aside and absolutely zero attention must be paid to the sensibilities of misandrous or competitive/rivalling (not exactly the same thing) feminists when addressing this type of problem. Avoidance of offending those sensibilities must not be assigned more importance than addressing the problem. A clear message is required that while it's not criminal to hold certain prejudices and be somewhat bitter towards the opposite sex (but this should be treated equally in …
/r/EverydayMisandry06/06/24 07:04 PM
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'I understand why some men are reluctant to date now' (re: #17) — I am certainly reluctant myself, and this isn't just about losing some money, ultimately not even about suffering another emotional trauma to cause further psychological damage. The problem is what if the extreme radical iterations of those views (outliers) are so abundant, or at least so prominent, and enjoy so much acceptance (or at least toleration that looks like acceptance), then — given a normal distribution curve — how wide…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/06/24 03:06 PM
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Whatever has happened to being accused of a patronizing or condescending or domineering attitude if you tried paying for a woman? How quickly have 'feminist' values turned around. My approach tends to be to pay but avoid making a show of it, plus expect the woman to reciprocally invite me the next time — and of the ladies I've gone out with over decades, pretty much all did reciprocally invite. Many objected to being paid for.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/06/24 01:47 PM
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They actually got banned? Was that before a policy or leadership change or under current leadership and policies?
/r/EverydayMisandry06/06/24 01:43 PM
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Yes. And a lot anxiety and paranoic fears are caused by not knowing who has that kind of toxic/exploitative outlook, even though you know that some/many people do, so statistically every one in a couple of people you meet is almost certain to hold it. And it doesn't help when men are called misogynists for even mentioning this problem, like we are supposed to pretend it never occurs. So you are expected to keep believing no woman is capable of something like that and yet you keep having that sor…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/06/24 01:43 PM
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By my reckoning, obviously subjective, if both have means of income, then the one who invites pays, and they take turns. There's no need to split 50/50 or do separate bills or some other kind of maths that may feel unnatural and not very graceful. Note that the traditional standard of courtesy never barred ladies from inviting gentlemen, people invited each other to their houses or manors and the host paid the costs, and inviting them to restaurants substituted for inviting them to one's house. …
/r/EverydayMisandry06/06/24 01:14 PM
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I was roleplaying a woke misandrist, so doing something similar.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 04:31 PM
2

Safety is one thing, sending a veiled social cue to men that they are animal-level is something else. Shaming men that they come not only below handsome men but also below animals in attractiveness as mates is something yet else.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 11:42 AM
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One option would be to leave men alone but really leave them alone, so also stop preventing them from getting help or from helping each other.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 11:38 AM
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* Expecting men to be providers is apparently not misogyny when a female feminist (not sure a male feminist would be able to get away with it) does it.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 11:35 AM
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I am not a male feminist, at least past the egalitarian threshold, but I can flex my imagination: Paternity fraud: It is a woman's exclusive and sovereign right to name the child's father, even contrary to biological facts (she's above them like a Roman emperor above grammar when talking in Latin (a real-life example)). False accusation: It is a legitimate expression of her feelings. Feelings are real and cannot be invalidated, even by facts. Victims must be believed — even when evidence points …
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 11:33 AM
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Disallow gender reversals because women must always get the better deal, because women are more special than men are? I agree that men and women are different. I do not agree that this difference must translate into women getting a mild and men getting a harsh standard of treatment or judgement, or women having 'reality of the world we in' used as an entitlement to have everything (rules, principles, behaviours, comparisons) interpreted in a were more favourable to them than to men.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 11:13 AM
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There is a chance they would attribute that to something else than misandry. However, on the opposite side of the table they seem to be putting everything under the umbrella of misandry, so that a boy saying 'girls are weird! I'd rather play with boys!' is the same kind of thing as sexual assault or DV. The point is obviuosly to socially/morally prohibit and repress any criticism of women and simultaneously give women complete freedom to criticize. And that means a dominant position — a judge po…
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 11:06 AM
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'Misandry doesn't make men afraid to leave the house for fear of women.' — Not in a direct sense. But in a direct sense, neither does misogyny. Violence may start with prejudice, but violence happens because people are violent, not because they are prejudiced. Non-violent prejudiced people are not violent and thus do not pose a threat of violence. People don't fear to leave their house just because someone else is prejudiced against them, for example sees them in a biased light and downplays the…
/r/EverydayMisandry05/06/24 10:59 AM
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I do agree with objections to the inclusion of 'born men' into spaces like locker rooms, collective showers, anywhere people strip naked or there could be a dangerous situation. Context matters. Especially people appearing to identify with the opposite sex with the specific intention of gaining admission to such spaces (e.g. spontaneous self-identification, just the person's own word, no corroboration, no prior history, no medical files, no nothing, the sole strength of just saying, 'despite how…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/06/24 08:44 PM
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I think it's time to break with the assumption that everything must revolve around the question of what's best for women, with the consequent assumption that whatever promotes the collective interests of women as opposed to men, in relationships or society, is not only permissible (as in ends justify means) but also the preferred way. I actually believe that men should put their women first, but this is more like mutually putting each other's needs on par with and preferably above one's own, and…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/06/24 10:44 AM
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In brutal parlance, a frequent cause of male depression is loneliness, including romantic and sexual, and that could be reduced even to an unsatisfied sense of entitlement, depending on the man's mental frame and level of development and worldview. Depression caused by not getting the sex one feels entitled to could be a way of describing some of those cases. But we don't need to take a brutal perspective like that. If we cast aside the outliers focused on just the sex and literally feeling enti…
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/24 09:15 PM
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There is a generational difference, and a sort of parent-like dynamic can be involved (but doesn't have to be!), something akin to Oedipus/Electra Complex, but no child is involved, obviously. '[Some] of them would be dating 20 year old dudes if they could' — or a powerful man old enough to be their father.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/24 08:50 PM
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That seems to be a problem on both left and right, in both progressive and conservative circles.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/24 08:45 PM
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It's high time society and the law recognized that not only 'femoid' is bad but also 'moid' is bad. And claims like 'men have created femaled paedophiles' need to be addressed — or rather their root causes. Difference in physical strength being one thing, how much strength does it take to pull the trigger of a gun or even use a knife? Not only male incels or chauvinists are capable of getting radicalized. Not only physical violence is damaging. The harm done to society by misandry has to be addr…
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/24 08:38 PM
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Because woke politics?
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/24 08:35 PM
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Also note how: MGTOW are hated for being heterosexual but opting out of acting on it. Thus opting out of competing for women and jumping hoops for them, proving themselves to them, paying court, etc. Incels are hated not only for the actions of the radical and mentally unstable individuals among them but for: (1) being unattractive to women and (2) daring to talk back rather than grovelling for acceptance. If you don't subscribe to 'WOW' (women are wonderful), you're going to be hated. You're al…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/05/24 01:00 AM
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Another thing: It doesn't strike me that the bear comparisons aren't exactly or exclusively about safety. There seems to be more to them — a 'you are worse than animals socially' and an 'I'd rather resort to zoophilia than date you' (romantically) sort of message. I cannot help connecting it with the typical 'you have been measured and found wanting', 'you are not good enough, try harder, do more, flex more' coming from women longing after a more ambitious match than life is offering them, and s…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/05/24 05:19 PM
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I want to focus on one fragment: 'These incels could never get near a woman to discuss their feelings anyways.' I am not comfortable with that sort of name-calling, contempt and disparagement of a human being, of whichever sex, by a person of whichever sex, no special pass for women. I am also not comfortable with that sort of demonstrative in-your-face emotional cruelty, coming from a human being. It is wrong, it is evil. It is also practically active hostility, at least in the social sense, it…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/05/24 05:07 PM
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Gender flip: Woman vs bear — I'll choose the woman as soon as I get a law licence and get really good at using it. Free legal advice: still a bad idea even then. ;)
/r/EverydayMisandry29/05/24 05:50 PM
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Also: Why are incels getting so much disproportionate attention, especially in the context of their deconstructionist psychological/sociological hobbies, which usually tends to involve deconstruction of hypergamy? Isn't there some angst about elite men not wanting to lower their standards and date (or rather monogamously commit to) middle-class women? In other words, middle-class-woman rage over not getting upper-class men? And that angst, range and frustration about the unavailability of a mono…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/05/24 05:46 PM
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Especially if she also literally has just said that you can fuck your friend and go home to beat your wife after, in her 'thirdly' paragraph. The lack of self-awareness in those 'women good, men bad' rants is something I occasionally think like taking a sign protesting against. It feels wrong for adults to be allowed to get away with that much lack of self-awareness.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/05/24 05:38 PM
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'Tactic' — sigh. Self-explanatory. Third paragraph — whose standards? Imposed by whom? How does 'force women to date them' relate to a standard imposed by men? Let's not blame hypergamy on patriarchy and if we identify both with each other, then we can't hold one of them to be good and the other to be bad, without falling into a contradiction. (I happen to be contradiction-phobic.) I don't want to defend those incels who really, literally want to force women to date them, which is of course dera…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/05/24 05:31 PM
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Can misandry not be systemic if WOW (women are wonderful) effect is universal? I can't see a way to escape the zero-sum game here. If women are to be the wonderful half of humanity, us blokes have to be the disappointing half, the less precious half, the disposable half. And for all the talk about 'internalized misogyny', internalized misandry is much more of a thing, with both women and men believing women to be wonderful and men to be evil, rabid, primitive, subpar, at times both the village i…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/05/24 07:44 PM
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I get it that women may have a legitimate complaint about the fairness of the distribution of the total of breadwinning plus housekeeping between men and women. However, there is a difference between (a) legitimate complaints about men not pulling enough weight and (b) going all the way the opposite way, demanding a distribution that would be completely satisfactory to the female partner without regard to how unsatisfactory to could be to, or unfair on, the male partner. If we are to split house…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/05/24 01:36 PM
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It's the other way round. Isn't online misandry the materialization of offline thoughts and feelings? If it gets posted, it already exists offline.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/05/24 03:00 PM
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Rapists don't exist in a vacuum, I get that. They had families and friends and grew up and lived in certain cultures, with certain values and patterns and tropes and all that. I get the point that we have some things to fix in our general Western culture in this regard. On the other hand, while I would understand trying to shame men for not doing more to fight and especially to prevent sexual violence, I think the whole bear thing might be about something different. It could be about casting mal…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 09:11 PM
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Nope, sorry, don't know how to recover that, though it could be somewhere in browser cache, maybe temp files, but don't know where exactly to find the right file. But what I use to circumvent tech problems with browers (or cats stepping on power buttons) is Notepad+ with many tabs, easy auto-saving, ability to copy or paste as pure text (strip formatting), etc. I get lazy with social-media these days, but when I was younger, I avoided typing longer stuff directly into browsers (connection errors…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 06:36 PM
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Re: some of the comments, synthetically: Being cautious is one thing. Being in-your-face cautious (showing it off, treating it like a game, wearing it like a badge) is something else. If we're talking feels, it's one thing to feel vulnerable, another thing to be trying to make people feel like predators. Some people don't get the difference, and that's why you're touching on with the 'feeling is not being' angle. Being mean, combative, accusatory, etc. with random men can make some people feel s…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 06:32 PM
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I anticipate a woman to be somewhat cautious or not trust me fully, sure! I anticipate her not being able to hide that, sure! But keeping your initial distrust to yourself rather than making a show of it is part of basic politeness. I expect a woman not to make a point of being very demonstrative about it. Meaning I expect her not to talk to me as if I was a dangerous person. No personal remarks or sallies in that direction. I don't mind telling a friend, or sharing location, although I have my …
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 05:23 PM
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I would engage if it really was 'I feel unsafe, help me', thus a genuine call for help. But the 'bear > man' thing is not a call for help. It's a message of rejection of men, dehumanization of them and preference for an animal. 'All of you lot are worse than animals, and animal company is preferable to yours.' Sounds like women complaining that they don't get to date Prince William or Justin Timberlake (or Justin Trudeau) and have to deflect/bypass/step on too many ordinary blokes in their path.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 05:14 PM
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He got it wrong. The 'Healthy Male Response' is really a manipulated male response. It's a man thinking exactly what women want him to think by playing the charade. And also the crucial 'what can I do?' — come now, healthy male response = volunteering to do something for women? The 'Instead' is not a healthy response, but it is not violent. It is also exaggerated. Note that he rephrased the typical 'bear' presentation in a very measured, rational argument, better than the real-life best-case sce…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 05:06 PM
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To that, I sometimes reply: 'You have a right to complain if you didn't date older guys, didn't find older guys attractive when you were younger.' If you were 25F dating 40M, you don't get to complain about men's preference for an age gap as you become 40 yourself. I say this as a guy who prefers someone closer to his age.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:49 PM
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Men are always to blame when women are in-fighting, somehow.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:45 PM
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If men are biologically hardwired to be pedos, then why do women spend so much time trying to look younger, even adopting child-like behaviours and mannerisms? And let's not forget that rich female celebs get younger partners too.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:40 PM
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Whom patriarchy benefits depends on the issue. Patriarchy does get a lot of needs and other bases covered for women, often in ways that are taken for granted. Male disposability, 'ladies first', societal bans against criticizing, displeasing or inconveniencing women, greater penalties for violence against women than against men, those were all patriarchal things, but they are very conveniently (too conveniently) left out of the discussion. Those old patriarchal 'rights of women' or 'ladies' priv…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:35 PM
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Give them a microphone, they will say: 'I don't care about lemons.' Tell them: 'You don't care about lemons,' and they'll start to accuse you of slandering them, inventing stuff out of thin air, etc. Who told you that. What makes you think so. What gives you the right. You're seeing things. Etc. Sorry, women can't have it both ways. You can't switch the epistemic status of a sentence (true/false) depending on whether you're going to get a favourable or unfavourable response from the crowd. This …
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:20 PM
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Word!
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:08 PM
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Indeed. Just upvoting your explanation wouldn't have been enough.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:08 PM
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Especially that observation. After all, nothing is more offensive than the truth. Eeasily refutable falsehoods are less offensive, gratuitous slurs easily dismissable out of hand for their gratuitousness are also less offensive. Folks are also scared because reminders of censorship show them that they aren't living in as much of a free society as they think they are. Others, of course, will be incensed — or scrambling for control and getting in panic mode, overreacting, etc. — because you've jus…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 04:02 PM
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I am in no way claiming certainty, of course, but 'everybody against straight men' can be as simple as a voting arithmetic. A sort of anti-social rock-paper-scissors-type simplified game move to build a majority. What's simpler than getting all the female vote and some of the male vote? Or what's simpler than getting all minorities to vote together against the majority — for exaple by deploying a generalized pro-minority anti-minority election platform — and also get some of the majority to vote…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 03:57 PM
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There is some wisdom in finding a parent. Perhaps 50 years ago we were teaching children to go find 'a mum' because there were comparatively much fewer dads travelling with children, so anyone discernible for a parent (i.e. travelling with children) was many times more likely to be a mum than a dad. Statistics, not men = bad and women = good.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/24 03:29 PM
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I'm not saying that misandry is never used in the same way (though I don't see equally much of that), but accusations of misogyny seem to have become the default counter to all criticism or disapproval. You don't like something a woman says or does? That's misogyny because you're supposed to unconditionally affirm anything and everything a woman does or says, especially if you're a man. Not liking misandry is misogyny. Believing misandry exists is misogyny. And so on and so forth. It also looks …
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/24 03:10 AM
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Indeed. Men can't read minds. And if they could, getting your wish could still make you feel offended or something else negative. Part of the problem is expecting to be pursued, even catcalled(!), etc., but by sufficiently attractive men. Allow me to quote someone's social media (translating some very idiomatic language, so the English may be a bit off): 'I'm at MacDonald's when a handsome man comes in with an unruly child. The child spills some fries. He says, "stop spilling your fries, or I'm …
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/24 01:11 AM
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While it was, 'I'd feel safer with a bear,' an honest sort of hyperbole just addressing their emotions or even a genuine self-assessment of emotional state, I was on board. I totally get why, and I sympathize (although I disagree with overemphasizing the scale). But the 'we prefer bears to you' pageant? Puh-lease. Too old for that. Or who/what you would prefer your pizza or furniture to be delivered by? Like how in the world would that be my business? Do I look like someone who follows you on In…
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/24 12:29 AM
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Women aren't choosing any bears. Some women are playing hyperbole with comparisons for dramatic effect to get attention. That they are 'choosing bears' is only what they want us to think, or to pretend that we think it. I don't want to play that head game with them\*. Want my attention, talk to me without stupid games. Or if you really have to play games with me, up the level. The bear game is like junior high, and I'm quite a bit older than that (as are most of the bear-callers, incidentally). …
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 11:28 PM
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'Leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. If men did the same, there would be no discussion. The scenario would be irrelevant.' — Not quite. There is usually a big uproar when men decide to start avoiding women.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 11:22 PM
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Femicide with aggravated penalty, femi-ABH/GBH, femi-defemation, what does this recall, pray tell? It's similar to the wergilds, tariffs for blood money (full for killing, fractional for wounding or insulting), set differently for different categories of subjects, like pasants and nobility, Romans and Franks (Salic Code), Britons and Saxons (Ine's Code), and so on in mediaeval or older laws regulating life in multi-ethnic kingdoms and empires. As a researcher on the Dark Ages once put it, there'…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 06:41 PM
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Well, there's men going their own way (and minding their own business), and there's men being jerks to women. If we take MGTOW without the radical hangers on, the basic message is embracing the single life, with the implication that they are choosing to be single because that's better than being in a relationship with woman. That causes offence to women due to the negative comparison with singleness (apparently to a greater degree than men take offence to a woman saying she prefers singledom to …
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 06:23 PM
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I'm going to sound sexist, I suppose, but it looks like demanding gender-based privilege, and that's what connects radfems with some of the traditional sort. At this point I'm asking: so is it equal treatment or different treatment?
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 05:54 PM
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I agree that in the common way of speaking 'men' doesn't mean 'all men', but I disagree with 'not all women' being necessary and 'not all men' being simultaneously unnecessary. One can believe both are necessary or both are unnecessary, and I don't care, but if one is necessary and the other is not, we got a logical problem. About the 'you can like what I say or stfu' sort of language, I don't get what makes women (note I didn't qualify, although I didn't mean 'all women' either, so my position …
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 05:52 PM
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Why is that woman talking like I have a specific desire to associate with her? What's with all those women talking about all men like someone who's asking them out?
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 05:43 PM
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Death-row inmate versus boy next door?
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 05:38 PM
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I guess I'm both. I understand, but this doesn't mean I agree or approve. So I'm probably the reason. I understand what pushes them to say it, but I disagree with the choice to act it out. The comparison is flawed, and the statement isn't even genuine. It looks like a sort of emotional gambit, like a child saying 'I hate you!' to their parents without meaning it, rather desiring to get some attention and compassion. We can talk about the problem, I can give attention, and I can give compassion. …
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 05:37 PM
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Can there be a classist angle in that? Like if you're a gentleman, then you shouldn't be holding social class against a lady (note that she's a lady regardless of social class, but I guess man = gentleman is also frequent), even if you're a prince and she a peasant, but if we have a middle-class woman (especially upper-middle class trying to appear very 'upper') getting asked out or complimented by a man working in client service, then we have a problem. Would a lawyer or physician be getting th…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 04:35 PM
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I sort of understand the people with man-caused PTSD, but the problem is that society doesn't treat PTSD symptoms as PTSD symptoms but as objective reality, as valid data and objective measure and gauge. There is a difference in proportion, of course, but it's not dissimilar to treating hallucination (or illusion, delusion, phantasm, night dream) as valid observation. Or perhaps to treating paranoid ideation as valid observations and conclusions. The solution is not to retaliate against those pe…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 04:05 PM
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I understand the sort of anxiety that comes from being smaller, leaner, less combat-ready, less likely to win in a physical confrontation. I have no issue with women stressing the need to be careful and asking men for some understanding about not being too open or too trusting. But the sort of fear-mongering like almost any random passerby would be out to assault you in broad daylight in front of plenty of people, that's taking things too far. The whole emotional narrative where men = dangerous …
/r/EverydayMisandry01/05/24 03:26 PM
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I'd certainly rather die or become forever celibate than be involved with one of those women. Much is being said about men, much of which I'm not going to deny (though I'm going to insist I'm not personally guilty for just being of the same sex as the bad guys), but the stuff that's coming to light about women is not comfortable, and it isn't making women look pretty, even through just passively tolerating that sort of stuff. Tolerating it within female company is not the same thing as actually …
/r/EverydayMisandry30/04/24 06:14 PM
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Gotta go on the record agreeing with you. I have depression for the same reason. And yes, they'll say we deserve it, and they'll say it's our problem, not theirs; they don't owe us empathy. But somehow, their problems is something we should care about, we owe them empathy, etc. Women aren't always the worst, although I'm not subscribing to the 'women are wonderful' effect here or trying to suck up. I'm just pointing out that the misandrous men are also very damaging, especially if they are clerg…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/04/24 08:56 PM
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How am I to take serious comments that aren't serious? I have always been ready to talk to women about relationships or just different perspectives on life, without dismissing or invalidating them as human beings, which is not the same as never invalidating their ideas or indeed, sometimes feelings — because feelings aren't reality, which can't be disputed because it simply exists, they are responses and perception, which can be invalid when the observation has a falling out with the objective c…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/04/24 02:02 PM
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So was that a joke, known by some, about a pregnant woman, or was that a joke about a woman whom some knew and who happened to be pregnant at the time? It's hard to discuss relevance when there is no clarity. The lack of clarity in the syntax; the penchant for single-sentence paragraphs with variable punctuation; the use of categorical statements and grand descriptors such as 'all', 'never', 'any', 'denigrating', and the caps on 'any' — it all shows emotions are more at play here than the ration…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/04/24 10:29 AM
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They won't, if the assault is actually proved by the prosecution to the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard, like it should be. I understand that word-vs-word cases are difficult also for victims, accusers and prosecutors and not only for defendants and defence counsel, but we can't just add to the legal system a rule that if a woman says a man did it, then he did it. Burden of proof on the accuser, benefit of doubt for the defendant, the need to actually prove accusations and no need to prove in…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/04/24 04:33 PM
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Yeah, much talk about 'mansplaining', but when a man does that to a man or especially a woman to a man, then that is no a problem, all of a sudden. The same women are likely to genuinely believe that women have a privileged cognitive apparatus, so that when a woman says something, then it is basically true, and even if it isn't, then it should be created as if it were — because a woman said it, and because women know better. I don't care about the gender crap, but when I hear that sort of stuff …
/r/EverydayMisandry28/04/24 04:16 PM
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Suppress all criticism or mention of misandry. 2. Keep wondering at the conspiracy theorists who are claiming that the topic of misandry is being censored. Great modern woke/cancel logic. Except conservatives do the same thing.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/04/24 02:01 PM
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What's left is for us to learn to live without them — basically learn to cover our needs directly on our own (off the grid, so to say) or through reliance on society's system of exchange. But when that happens, there's suddenly outcry and outrage, because men can't say they don't need women — it's wrong to make women feel not needed or not wanted, even though making men feel that is no longer acceptable, it's even commendable or desirable.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/04/24 08:51 AM
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Yes, the lack — or rather deliberate(?) rejection of — empathy is part of the problem.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/04/24 08:39 AM
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Agree with everything you wrote but delaying a longer response by a day or two.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 09:19 PM
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Ain't that simple. The whole thing comes down to the burden of proof and who has to prove stuff — accuser/prosector or he defendant — or what has to be proven — guilt or innocence of a person. Most people don't have an issue with the general rule that puts the burden on accusers, prosecutors especially, and lets people off the hook if their guilt is dubious. If a defendant is let loose because their guilt can't be proven, that puts an emotional burden on the victim who knows that they are victim…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 01:43 PM
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What we need is false accusers being put on a register and taking a credibility hit for future testimony, oaths, etc., as well as being ordered into therapy similarly to sex offenders. It's time to recognize that false accusers, whether the reason is malice or disturbed fantasy, are a danger. A safe environment for education is an environment that is safe also from false accusation.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 01:31 PM
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It does look like consent is a one-way street in the womanosphere. I'm also sick of the immature stuff like 'patriarchy forced her' or 'he deserved it' or 'she stood up for [insert thing]', etc. (the rationalization hamster).
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 01:27 PM
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Yes, well, his behaviour came across as creepy, and he was probably starved of social contact while also socially impaired, so maybe placing himself in women's way and hoping for them to initiate, which is of course something women don't like, and I can certainly understand. But when we are dealing with what is obviously a disturbed person, do we need to drag their sex into this? There's also no need to escalate from 'get up and move' (perfectly reasonable, and I have no issue with that) to 'lit…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 01:22 PM
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Didn't even think about that. I was focusing more on the, how shall we say, collective flirting (or, not to be sexist but, collective pouting) by analogy to collective bargaining. Basically saying stuff not because it's true but because it will get attention. Unfortunately, things women will say not because they are true but because they will get them the attention they desire extend\* even to false accusations, and that's becoming a problem. We need the ability to expect more emotional regulati…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/24 01:15 PM
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Refusing to enter into relationships and saying why. But this won't really work, because of simping.
/r/MensRights24/04/24 09:14 PM
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Anyone got a good estimate on how many women really and seriously think that every woman is out of every guy's league? Anyone got a good theory on where that thought comes from, if not egg rarity vs sperm abundance?
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/24 08:02 PM
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The judge said there was nothing mitigating about the offence but there were some mitigating factors about the offender, starting from first offence, remourse, bad mental balance due to some personal tragedy, and she apologized. And in those cases, the defendant has to be given the benefit of the (reasonable) doubt, even about partial excuses and mitigating factors, as the burden of proof is on the Crown. There are chances I would have ruled the same, being a criminal lawyer, though not a judge,…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/24 07:31 PM
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I could perhaps accept that women don't need us, or even that they don't want us (being wanted while not being needed is not that bad; for me, it might even be the preferred way). What I don't understand is women having the specific need to make us acutely aware that they don't need us. Surely, if you don't need me full stop, then you don't not me to know anything specific that relates to you, am I wrong? Otherwise, I call hoax. A stupid sort of collective mating game or something else like that…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/24 04:44 PM
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At least she got a conviction. Some progress towards equality.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/24 06:41 AM
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Appearances is just one area and perhaps not the most important of all, but I see quite a licence being taken to ridicule men for just about anything, contrary to standard societal rules against ridiculing that sort of thing, which apparently are no longer binding when it's a woman choosing to do that to a man. Appearance, job, illness, neurodivergence, anything. In women, it has to respected, and sometimes celebrated, preferably socialized and compensated by society. In men, it can be ridiculed…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/24 06:38 AM
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Whatever happened to diversity and individual freedom? Women can do whatever they want and like whatever they want and have no obligation to put up with anything from men, but men — all men — suddenly have an obligation to like everything a woman — every woman — does? All men have the obligation to favourably regard every woman as a potential dating or relationship partner?
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/24 06:33 AM
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'Your own experience,' is not, 'objective truth,' or, 'truth demonstrated to me.' 'Your own experience,' does not constitute a privileged cognitive apparatus or the answer to all questions of existence. And yes, a professional or a wise (life-experienced) person could in fact explain your experience to you than you could, just like mine to me better than I could. And no, I'm not mansplaining unless it means 'man explaining' — your gender doesn't matter, and I don't care. If other men take women …
/r/EverydayMisandry23/04/24 09:46 PM
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Uhm… Is she actually getting commenters acting furious because of their age preference not being preferred by young women? Not that this guarantees anything (the sample is too small), but I don't think I've ever seen a red-pill guy complain about young women telling him he was too old.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/04/24 09:39 PM
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I will not only not rape the proverbial you at length, I will also refuse sex with you even if you offer (at length), unless you happen to be my wife and sober when offering.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/04/24 09:15 PM
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Thanks to that nonsense, it is becoming more and more difficult for me to care about the impact alone of anything on women. I need impact in conjunction with a legitimate general, universal or abstract principle. If a person chooses to interpret in the worst possible light anything that comes from me on account of my gender, and chooses to be impacted in a negative way, then, in addition to that person being sexist, the impact is on them, not on me. 'Mansplaining' is patent nonsense. When I do t…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/04/24 09:11 PM
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The beauty of flipping. And thank you, it helps so much to see that others see it too — the flying into rage caused by holding up the mirror or turning the table and even indirectly pointing out the flaws in the logic of the absurd propositions. I feel alone on this so much so often that I've almost been doubting my sanity sometimes.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 11:52 AM
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Look at the social gerrymandering there. It sometimes looks like someone's trying to draw lines like LGBTQ + women, ethnic minorities plus women, other minorities plus women. Someone has discovered that since women are a half of the voters, getting women to vote as a monolith and co-opting a certain number of men from a minority results in a >50%. So it looks like everybody vs straight men, everybody vs local men, etc. See the pattern? It's the Left's/progressive's/radical SJW's voting machinery…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 11:03 AM
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The problem is not even that. You can still be putting women on a pedestal and getting respect from them. Respect can be mutual. The problem with the expectation management here is not that the expectations are large or non-viable. The problem is that the expectations are one-sided and unfounded. Man paying rent while they live together and he spends more time raising an income while she spends more time taking care of the house? Understandable. He paying her rent while they live separately? Wha…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 10:55 AM
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I notice the hostility when you mention men's problems, men's rights (as in men having human rights too, not as in any gender-specific rights), men's issues of any kind. What I also notice is the hostility attracted when men gather together to talk and provide support for each other. Kind of like collective bargaining is for women but men must bargain individually and be prevented from uniting their efforts or sharing information and experience or even providing each other with emotional support…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 10:45 AM
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Thanks, that was well-explained. I learned something useful.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 10:30 AM
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It goes both ways. Perhaps there are some gendered patterns, like men typically not caring much about this, women not caring much about that, rather than a 50/50 split. It could also be that men and women care in different ways, where by default I would presume women to be more of a 'monitor' type and men to be more of a 'responder' type, obviously with limits and exceptions, different in different fields of life, different issues. It's difficult to respond to generalities like that without hear…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/04/24 10:29 AM
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Guys like that just play the old white-knight game, which some women (exaggeratedly so, if my sensitivity is to be any guide) identify with any manner of 'nice guy' act. It's basically ingratiating themselves with women by hating on fellow men or by depreciating other men — and making themselves look good by contrast. Any stereotype attributing that sort of behaviour to women (as in the pick-me girl that supposedly disses other women in order to improve her own chances, which I almost never see …
/r/EverydayMisandry20/04/24 12:30 PM
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You aren't. He is.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/04/24 12:24 PM
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A fuss would be raised the ecologists if people developed a habit of falsely accusing bears. And they would be remiss if they didn't raise a fuss. Contrary to the person's belief, an obviously unhinged or imbalanced person or person looking like they had an agenda wouldn't be believed on their word alone with the effect of ordering a bear to be shot (or even a free-living bear to be caged away). The reason why bears wouldn't 'complain' about all of them being judged for the actions of a single b…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/04/24 03:57 PM
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I would agree that spitting on the street is done more often by men than women, in addition to being rare for anyone to do anyway (a crucial point later in this paragraph), but I think there's a problem with the social licence for 'men do x', 'why do men do x?' etc. based on what one woman saw one man do, perhaps just once, and she's making it look like all men do it all the time and are praised by society for it (like those 'manspreading' memes that used to be in fashion a couple of years ago o…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/04/24 12:58 PM
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Sigh. On the one hand there are the trappings of feminism, though I suppose the latter has already shed the trappings of egalitarianism by this time. On the other hand is the stereotyped feminine approach to men, common to the Left and the Right, progressives and conservatives, also actually agreed with by many men: if I say something about you, it means you deserved it, so we're going to be judging your conduct if anything if you say something about me, we're not going to judge my conduct or ev…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/04/24 12:32 PM
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Yes.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/04/24 09:17 AM
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Being kind to women usually does pay back in kind, although exceptions apply into someone who's more toxic or more random. Part of the problem is that while no one owes the other side a pleasant experience, we owe each other — just like everyone else to everyone else in society — a basic threshold of civility, where abuse is abuse. This includes gratuitous verbal hostility or rudeness. And the problem is that women so often don't think they have to hold any punches or that they need a special re…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/04/24 01:32 PM
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There is a double pottom there that's perhaps even more disheartening. Men who are judged to be awkward or weird or socially incompetent or flawed in some way, even a minor degree, are branded for ridicule and shaming and sometimes more serious prejudice such as stating that they should disappear, remove themselves from society or from the dating pool, and make more room for the more attractive guys, like those could clone themselves if the less attractive guys were to disappear, or as if nature…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/04/24 01:22 PM
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Landing the best man you can get and then tearing him another one until he becomes better is not a valid or ethical strategy. Choosing a man for his good genes (whether or not you consciously want to procreate) and not for his character, and then complaining about his character, is not valid either. And I don't have a responsibility for being a social climber for you so you can satisfy your ambitions. Or to go hit the gym if I haven't been doing that. I have a responsibility not to lie to you an…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/04/24 01:15 PM
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I have almost literally begged for basic human decency — or at least implored — and been rejected. It's very difficult to get women to admit that a man is an equally good human being, not better but not worse, equally worthy or important and deserving of happiness as a woman is.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/04/24 04:59 PM
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You have a good heart. :) And you are making a great effort to be fair and open-minded. It really is touching, and goes a long way toward restoring my faith in humanity. However, it's not unreasonable to experience greater awkwardness because the person choosing the adjacent seat out of all possible seats on a completely empty bus is larger than you, likely more competent in close-quarters combat (exceptions are numerous, but the general rule still holds), and also of the sex that's more likely …
/r/EverydayMisandry16/04/24 01:59 PM
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Okay, I can understand that one. If of all places on the bus, a person chooses the place just next to you, that's uncomfortable. If that person is also larger than you, that's another level of problem. The risks are greater. We don't need to extrapolate this situation to the point of viewing socially awkward behaviour from men as automatically threatening and a source of danger (that would be a cover for ableism), but the concern is legit, and the different treatment of M2F vs vF2M in this scena…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/04/24 09:45 AM
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My impression is that women are avoiding live-in relationships for pretty much the same reasons as men — to avoid the complication of commitment, of living with someone else, with someone who is not a perfect match. Both men and women skip relationships if they can get sex without being in a relationship, men especially; and women if they can provide for themselves, and sometimes even for children, without being in a relationship with a man. Let's not make 'men are the problem' of the fact(?) th…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/04/24 10:20 AM
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They do that because they want to use violence as a silencer when you e.g. point out a generalized flaw in women's approach to men or life. Sort of like accusing you of attempted murder for giving someone a stern talking-to. The dismissal of men's 'hurt feelings' also stands out notably in how men's feelings are not only explicitly disparaged and considered unimportant but also actively dragged through the mud. The third point is that women don't want to address their negativity and don't want i…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/04/24 09:09 AM
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Are all women responsible for the bad experience of some men — and, to a lesser extent of bad, all men have some sort and level of bad experience — with women? If they are not, then why would a different standard apply to women than to men? I don't actually want to invalidate the emotional experience. But I dispute the blame assignment, or rather the derivation of blame or responsibility from a purely emotional projection. As a rational being and a scholar in criminal law, I want blame to be ass…
/r/EverydayMisandry13/04/24 11:52 AM
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Yes, 'the worst a woman can do is reject you,' is a patently false claim to make. Unless it is uttered without thinking, it is also either malicious (deliberate lie) or infantile. The extent of harm done by a deliberately false or rash accusation cannot be ignored, and it's alarming that misandrists try to downplay it (either the impact or the probability). I agree that women face a greater risk of violence, but one cannot ignore the risk of false accusations, and we aren't talking only about a …
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/24 12:38 AM
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I'm ephatically not saying that a woman who responds that way — especially the first time or two, and especially if she does have some diagnosable personality problem — should be handled without empathy by the medical, social and legal system or even by the man she accused. But all I'm saying is that we need to contradict the people who say it's her right to false accuse. Or that for her to do so is the right thing to do as opposed to a lapse of judgement.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/04/24 01:20 PM
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Not being able to take no for an answer is an awful thing… it is also a surprisingly unisex thing, essentially part of the 'human condition'. It's a pity how the sexes fail to realize that the various grievances and faults pretty much work both ways, they just take superficially different expressions and manifestations. But what's subjectively painful to me is the lack of symmetry, which I view as a very basic logical error that is all the more flagrant, the more education and life experience an…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/03/24 04:41 PM
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It does look like male consent is taken for granted or dismissed as irrelevant by the female side of the debate, and that's frightening. I am in no way diminishing the extent of rape committed by men, but when women just basically say that as long as a woman wants sex with a particular man, whether he also wants it or not is irrelevant because her right of association with him trumps his right of non-association and his freedom, that is a whole new kettle of fish to me. It is unfathomable. I don…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/03/24 03:20 PM
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Men are not entitled to sex. Yes, although I believe that in a marriage both spouses are entitled to sex in general terms — not 'here and now' but not nowhere and never. Men, however, just like women, not less and not more, are entitled to basic human respect. To basic human rights. Human rights are not gendered. Equal is not 'at least equal'. Equal means equal. And, once again, men are human. Dehumanizing us is not okay. It's a patent falsehood to say that misandry just comes down to refuse sex…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/03/24 03:16 PM
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Well, yeah, probably, but when taken literally, it certainly isn't a false statement. In that case, the dog whistling would be misandrous, but the contents of the post (the statement made) would not be.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/03/24 03:16 PM
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At the risk of being politically incorrect, I feel the need to say that I find the intensity and priority of women's in-group bias to be troubling. I would expect more human-to-human solidarity, which would necessitate siding with the victim and against the perpetrator, as I do as a man when another man harms a woman. Adult, mature, educated people should not be siding alongside gender lines in situations like that but should be applying universal ideas of justice in a fair fashion. It's frankly…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/03/24 02:21 PM
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It would be clear misandry if the poster had put it in terms such as: 'it's a massive red flag when a guy thinks false accusations are frequent'. But when you factor in 'everywhere' and 'obsessively' and taken them literally (presuming good faith), then — literally speaking — the poster is right. Now the question is whether the poster was in fact referring to a real case of paranoic obsession or was trying to misrepresent legitimate concern over the alarming spread and tolerance of false accusat…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/03/24 01:53 PM
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Would they also say that a man who was raped by a woman had a right to rape her in return?
/r/EverydayMisandry24/03/24 01:15 AM
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Good luck, and shame for the admins to have double standards but especially to act disingenuously.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/03/24 01:13 AM
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I think the problem here is that so many people don't see a problem with that type of situation and they pretty much think it's a woman's right to use a false accusation of sexual or other violence as an anger response. There's an empathy gap but also an ethics gap with regard to that.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/03/24 01:09 AM
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I don't even know when Men's Day is supposed to be, and I vaguely recall there may be three different days for that, so it's obviously not as established or clear-cut as Women's Day, so I don't expect any wishes (again, wouldn't even know which day to expect them on), but 'every day is men's day' is obviously misandry, and 'same day as world toilet day' is, as you say, dehumanizing and completely unacceptable on its own regardless of the whole gender thing, just rude and the person shouldn't get…
/r/EverydayMisandry08/03/24 06:10 PM
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There are more, but the ones you focused on are among the starkest and most pressing examples of double standards which women really should do a better job intellectually on, because they are not defensible and only to a small extent excusable. Educated women massively tolerating the double standards makes me experience troubling thoughts about equality that I hadn't had beforei — always been a big supporter of women's plight for equal rights and equal standing in society, but an entire gender s…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/03/24 04:37 PM
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I would say it's sometimes misogyny but not always and not as often as people claim. And people seem to always attribute everything to misogyny. Like with 'mansplaining', which is what both sexes within themselves to each other but only a when a man does it to a woman it suddenly becomes gendered and discriminatory. Let's say I believe in the intellectual equality of women and men, but I struggle to believe in the intellectual equality of feminists of either sex, or other gender/related SJWs, an…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/03/24 12:44 PM
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I think this largely boils down to a lack of empathy for men and lack of seeing an intrinsic value in men, so we're in the realm of male disposability, or in the proximity of it. So when it comes to women, we are willing to sit down and think 'what if she externally gave every impression of consenting but that was because deep inside she was afraid or didn't know how to react, as the situation caught her by surprise without sufficient time to reflect' (and even to punish a clumsy guy like a viol…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/03/24 10:35 AM
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As you rightly note, misogyny is always responded to whenever it rears its head, and misandry is tolerated or at least it doesn't provoke the same severity or alacrity of response as misogyny does. By all logic, this already implies a preference for women, which implies that the female perspective is dominant or that women's problems elicit more interest and sympathy. I will not deny the existence of some degree of systemic misandry in past societies and cultures or even in some sections of mode…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/01/24 10:32 AM
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As ugly and stinking as it is, so I'd rather not touch it lest the stink go up, there's also the problem of the 'white men' hate trope. In a democracy, women, white or otherwise, will have circa 50% of the vote. Non-white men will have another bunch of vote. Hating on 'white men' is a lazy politician's easy recipe for a majority. I see this happen in my country, in which 99% of the population are regarded as white (though a lot of those 'whites' have a minority share of Asian descent from mixed …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 07:29 PM
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I'm in the process of reconsidering what I think or feel about feminism. I was a supporter when it came to equal rights. I was a supporter when it came to not rejecting traditional expressions of feminity and retaining traditional roles as an option, mostly but not entirely at the woman's own discretion. I was a supporter when a soft version of 'empowerment' came, generally more appreciation and encouragement for women. However, misandry, gender-feminism and 'gender mainstreaming' collectively a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 07:17 PM
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Also: Child support can be as much as 1k a month for the average guy for one kid, and we don't get a tax break, or any break for that matter. And it's not limited to just money, if you owe but have no cash, then they will go after your house, car, etc. I don't see how any of this really is sustainable or benefits men. The current system is a travesty. I would understand its applicability to men having deserted their families to chase a younger woman, but — unlike what women claim — the majority …
/r/MensRights28/10/23 12:50 PM
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If you take a sociological bird's-eye view, a lot of things will appear to work just like they do for animal species, as opposed to the individual human perspective in which free will dominates. An individual human will exercise free will, but on the global level humans will act like an animal species and forecasts based on evolutionary biology will come true, and explanations provided by evolutionary biology will apply. The state taking over the role of the provider and protector makes the alre…
/r/MensRights27/10/23 06:03 PM
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And also that affirmation is given irrespective whether deserved or not. Basically a sort of human right to be unconditionally affirmed. No wonder they end up thinking/feeling a woman can do no wrong.
/r/MensRights25/10/23 08:35 PM
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even if you are direct AF and try to set a date as early as possible. And sometime because of that. I wonder if those aren't even the same women — ghosting you if you propose a date, ghosting if you don't, so you can't get it right, unless perhaps you're super good looking and wealthy or prestigious to the point that you can't get it wrong, though even then you probably can.
/r/MensRights25/10/23 04:17 PM
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College men who approach women risk being accused and suspended for sexual harassment. And then women complain that men are no longer approaching, so you're damned if you approach (accused of harassment) and damned if you don't (emasculated).
/r/MensRights25/10/23 04:14 PM
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Men's perceptions haven't changed but women's sexuality is being damaged because they think they are entitled to top tier guys just cuz they get a lot of guys talking to them Also because of the constant positive reinforcement (including flattery and insincere compliments) from society that sometimes overcompensates and instead of simply helping girls with low self-esteem get it to the average or warranted level, women are basically told/conditioned to maximize their self-esteem and perception o…
/r/MensRights25/10/23 03:37 PM
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That combines with the tendency in womanosphere to focus on self-/mutual affirmation and self-esteem raising, so basically elevating the expectations without a reality check.
/r/MensRights25/10/23 03:25 PM
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Meeting people in real life, limited by geographical and social reach, and eventually pairing off with the understanding that a solemnized pairing is final was healthier and less confusing. The online competiton of everybody vs everybody for everybody is simply more variables than people can handle. And dating services/portals are essentially databases. Databases inspire mathematical optimizaton. Optimization that is perhaps selfish and anti-social. And if everybody is optimizing hard, trying to…
/r/MensRights25/10/23 03:23 PM
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Any response?
/r/MensRights24/10/23 04:02 PM
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Could cut her some slack, I guess. Unarmed people includes unarmed men. Armed men are combatants. Combatants aren't exactly OK to kill without need, but they're different from non-combatants. I would assume she doesn't regard armed female combatants as protected non-combatants.
/r/MensRights24/10/23 04:02 PM
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Could still be detained in milder conditions. And could be given a deferral until the child is older. Could be given sizeable/lengthy community service in lieu of a short prison term. Could be house-arrested with an ankle monitor. The important thing here is to address and mitigate or eliminate the actual problem, rather than removing accountability wholesale. And serious crime shouldn't come with out-of-jail cards. As a form of abuse, intentionally getting pregnant to avoid jail should be treat…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 02:13 PM
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The truth is that there is no proof for it. It's just one of the many ways women use to escape accountability for their actions by projecting their own flaws onto men. Many of them hear this made-up excuse and then genuinely believe that will happen to them. It's an excuse to avoid communication and still get to blame men for failing to read minds.
/r/MensRights24/10/23 01:28 PM
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The problem with feminists — but not just feminists, also a large part of women who are not activists — is that they dissociate guilt from the true perpetrators and place it on men they don't like, down to men who weren't there to protect those women, men whom those women had previously rejected, and so on. A lot of all the guilt seems to be heaped on average, normal men, seen and/or portrayed as weaklings, who are positioned as the enemy, actually ignoring criminals. The rejected man, to women,…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 01:24 PM
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Unfortunately, though it may appear to be unkind to mention this and so I do with a lot of reluctance, but it does seem that there may be a connection to how female brains are wired — women's in-group bias. I agree that feminists and not normal women are the problem, but feminism does seem to draw from a toxic side of feminity. The rejection of concepts of equality and fairness by female lawyers, judges, police officers and politicians is evident and widespread. There is more to it than just the…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 01:15 PM
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One problem with that: Australian justice system presiding over the suits.
/r/MensRights24/10/23 12:34 PM
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Make all women apologize for false accusations. Or make all women stand up and apologize for FOM. Same principle of collective responsibility, so why not?
/r/MensRights24/10/23 12:31 PM
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They understand equality differently, i.e. don't understand it at all. To them, equality literally means they are at the top. Sometimes the logic goes like: Women are at least as good as men. So with equal rules of engagement, women generally should be more successful. Equality only exists where women are more successful than men, more dominant, in higher and better positions, and generally win against men more often than not. If such winning is not in evidence, it means the rules are skewed in …
/r/MensRights24/10/23 11:40 AM
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This proves that feminists are full of shit As people, they are not. But their logic is. The problem starts from their decision to abandon logic — literally formal logic, the rules for sentence calculus, validation, etc. — and act like it doesn't exist or matter. So contradictions are not a problem; two opposite things can be true at the same time; true/false status can vary and be subjective, etc. That's not just a rebellion of emotionality against rationality. It's also a rebellion of lazy thi…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 11:37 AM
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Equating men's rights — or the idea that men, too, have rights — with misogyny tells you all you need to know about how feminists and many ordinary women view gender equity. Everything is about them, apparently, unfortunately. They must be put front and centre, cherished, pampered, praised, affirmed, perhaps even worshipped at least just a little, or else you're 'oppressing' them. However, if you do all that was mentioned, you can still be accused of economic or psychological oppression or viole…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 11:33 AM
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Society needs to withdraw the recognition of false accusations of rape as a valid expression of regret or anger or empowerment, or as a mostly harmless attempt to draw sympathy or attention (a cry for help, whereby the false accuser is turned into the primary victim). If because of their sex women face some sort of unique struggle with regard to false accusations, we may need to recognize that as a mitigating circumstance in criminal prosecutions for false accusations, but validating false accus…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/10/23 12:31 PM
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why do people think this is a problem that needs to be addressed and solved? not to mention "addressing it" usually involves using shaming tactics against men who pursue their hobbies instead of spending their time, energy and resources on dating, and potentially hurt their self esteem on the process. How do we know this isn't what what men who opt out of dating want? It's a problem for women, that women consequently want addressed. Nobody cares about the men or what they need or what they want …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 11:29 PM
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Basically stop seeing the man as the provider after already having enacted equality/emancipation laws, because that's inconsistent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 11:26 PM
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Especially in the US (I'm from Central Europe), it does look like women see marriage as a sort of transient union or a stepping stone, or even an outright fundraiser.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 11:17 PM
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I already see women talking fucking eugenics BS. "its good all the loser men will be out of the gene pool, I cant wait for them to die out" And just how far have women evolved with evolution not putting pressure on them, guaranteeing that even 'loser women' will breed? The biggest fallacy is average women thinking themselves on par with the top 10% of men. The fact that some from the top 10% will give them sperm — but not parental investment — doesn't mean those women have superior DNA themselve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 11:14 PM
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Things will eventually come to a head, if enough men opt out and just keep to themselves, at some point society wll have to address it. That's required because the whole thing now hinges on being able to sell the proposition that male libido is higher than female libido in order to claim that supply & demand dictates that men should be acting like women are the prizes, along with the old pretence that women don't want anything to do with men, specially sex or marriage, so men need to do a lot of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 11:09 PM
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It isn't worth the trouble because not only of the risk of false accusation attaching to those dates but the risks attendant on a relationship with such a woman if it even happens. Who wants a paranoid wife or live-in girlfriend who perhaps isn't even legitimately scared but more like hooked on the cloak-and-dagger drama? It does look like a sort of crime fantasy, think hybristophilia, and adrenalin seeking, maybe some other neurotransmitter. They get validation from playing potential victim, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 10:52 PM
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Men opting out is worrying to them because it diminishes their access to men as a resource and their control over that resource. 'Resource' meaning (i) economic resources and (ii) ego validation by paying court and competing for their attention. On a different note, I think misandry and gynocentrism are still able to stay in control and will be for a long time. Their position is pretty secure, unfortunately, in part probably because buying female vote with privileges is a convenient way for male…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 10:39 PM
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Our society, and radicals especially (feminists or tradcons), promote the infantilisation of women. Every girl is a perfect little flower who can do no wrong and should not try to form her own thoughts. Isn't it ironic how much the radicals on the opposite ends of the alleged spectrum have in common?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 10:03 PM
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Feminists are able to blame everything and anything on "men", including feminism itself. These days, feminism practically looks like it's arguing that men aren't patriarchal enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 10:01 PM
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Yes. Initially, the proposition of feminism was to relax the gender roles (radical version: scrap them). Now, it seems to be enforcing those roles like shackles, more than was done in the 1st half of the 20th century.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 09:59 PM
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There is a corresponding phaenomenon in the tradcon environment: while gender roles are affirmed and preached, they are not enforced on women, only on men. Women are allowed to essentially present themselves and act in as masculine a way as the individual woman wants, and the men are told to still be captivated by her feminity, and if they are not, then they aren't men enough. But in the case of men, masculinity is called in doubt not even because of anything that might traditionally have been r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 09:57 PM
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even if he is doing what is instructed by women. That creeps even in consent territory, with the woman initiating. Even if she is the one initiating, she may still be not consenting, and if she is not (perfectly and enthusiastically) consenting, then we all know what that means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 09:46 PM
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Everything feminists used to advocate against is now being promoted and celebrated under the guide of "empowerment!" Even porn. I think they take the sort of toxic feminity from past eras that makes the stuff of novels and exalt is empowering because of the influence over men those morally dubious measures had allowed certain figures to exert. Trying to flip and turn sneakiness, Machiavellianism, deliberate seduction with an instrumental goal in mind (dubious on the moral side due to inducing se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 09:26 PM
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But not being like other guys has its downsides too, like being seen as creepy or “different” or undesirable And actually painted as a threat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 09:13 PM
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Nice way of demonstrating that the whole 'internalized misogyny' is in itself misogyny in a way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 09:00 PM
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The perfect example is adult women who rape teen and pre-teen boys, and then demand child support. And it seems their lawsuits succeed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 07:06 PM
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and even on the Right Very much so on the Right (although the Right is as difficult to define as the Left). The notion that 'tradcon' is a sort of paradise for the boys is a popular misconception. It may be so in theory (and even then not really), but a lot of the adherents are misandrists, including the men. Internalized misandry is common. In addition to pro-woman bias and a moderate degree of gynocentrism (post-chivalric Western tradition is less gynocentric than feminism but is still gynocen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 05:24 PM
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'I've even seen some say that bringing up the fact women also rape men and boys is taking attention away from male rapists and mentioning that women also rape is disingenuous.' It's not just women or feminists. It's the old human tendency to squabble over limited resources and play tug-of-war to get a larger cut of the pie than the other folks. Attention is a limited resource. Especially social attention that is linked to money and favourable legislation and other benefits. They literally see it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 05:08 PM
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I would add that it's the feminists themselves who enforce whatever they see as traditional gender roles, so they hold men to the expectation of earning their respect and effectively citizenship and right to exist and enjoy human rights, typically by completing some sort of diritti di pasaggio or otherwise proving themselves… and oozing testosterone, like strutting around in a horned helmet, shaking a big club at things or people and showing off whatever sabretoothed meat they have captured for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 05:00 PM
1

As for the reason why 'Patriarchy' is mentally associated as a Left-wing proposition is simply that it's a feminist position and most feminists are Left-wing. While conservative or neutral men support some parts of feminism to varying extents (equal wage, suffrage, etc., being non-controversial), 'male feminists' are usually not even Left-leaning but firmly on the Left. You almost can't find a Right-wing 'male feminist' (except maybe his Right-winging is limited to being an economic libertarian)…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 03:16 PM
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Patriarchy did literally exist. Tribal societies evolved from extended families, with usually some sort of strong or wise man at the top. The current or former best warrior or hunter, the senior or most fit male heir of a respected previous authority figure, or maybe a wise shaman, but usually male and ruling indeed as a sort of remote uncle being in charge of family assets in a fee tail / trust for the whole tribe. Tribes sometimes evolved into clans, which took in septs that were not related b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 03:12 PM
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How did that end? Did she have to get reversed or did a lawyer teach some class tuition-free?
/r/EverydayMisandry22/10/23 01:48 AM
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Check this out: https://np.reddit.com/r/everydaymisandry/comments/15yse0i/women\_who\_rape\_men/
/r/MensRights22/10/23 01:25 AM
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Abortion…
/r/MensRights22/10/23 12:51 AM
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Women don't think all men are serial killers. It's that online dating is extremely dumb. Think girl mag level of dumb, with a lot of the 30+ participants still being effectively teenage-like in their thinking and emotionality. Asking if you're a serial killer can be some sort of coy game or a shit-test to check and judge your reaction (e.g. defensive-aggressive, defensive-apologetic, joking-socially competent, thick-skinned, etc.), something to throw you off-balance and watch how you work off th…
/r/MensRights21/10/23 11:54 PM
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Well, at 40, I have a rule: if they wouldn't have acknowledged my presence when I was 25 (and with better looks, job prospects, social skills and connections, etc.), they aren't getting much luck with me now, unless they have changed. I don't consent to be someone's Boring Beancounter retirement plan after having fun with all the captivating badboys or other Chads, and I certainly wouldn't be interested in being someone's Boy Toy after their taking away of half a rich guy's money.
/r/MensRights21/10/23 11:26 PM
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Better still, they complain that men are no longer approaching, even taunting the general male populace with dog whistles like there are no more men, men are afraid, lacking initiative, not manly enough, etc. I suspect that the damned if you do, damned if you don't can be a control mechanism.
/r/MensRights21/10/23 11:13 PM
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but I'm starting to believe the division between men and women is manufactured as a method for population control. Especially in Western cultures, with the identity radicals on the Left insisting on excluding and hating white men, while including white women. Perhaps the coincidence with artificially stimulated migration isn't accidental. Also the usual divide & conquer to keep the population busy and thus less interested in politics, easier to control, in-fighting instead of being united to den…
/r/MensRights21/10/23 11:09 PM
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Media is ruining men’s reputation, also groups like are we dating the same guy are a place for misandrists. All men are bad, all men are creeps, women are angels. The biggest problem is that even the slightest form of misogyny is made into hate speech and simultaneously ridiculed with characteristic condescending ableist putdowns, but misandry is normalized and encouraged. That works like — a silly analogy maybe but — the half-wergilds that the Germanic kingdoms in the Dark Ages used to make Rom…
/r/MensRights21/10/23 10:59 PM
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Women knew what they are doing. I increasingly think that's the case, and I also increasingly think that they know what they are doing when denying that they are doing it or denying that they doing it consciously, or while stating false motives for it. The more I listen to it, the more I look at it when it comes in writing, the more it looks like a PR scam. The indirect language may historically been related to an apprehension of danger connected with employing more direct forms of speech, but I…
/r/MensRights30/09/23 10:08 PM
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practicing self awareness I don't want to be sexist, but in all my debates and discussions about men, women, relationships and mutual interactions, there seems to be a problem with self-awareness or introspection affecting women. A man can have an ego, can be a prick, can have his head up his own ass, sure, but men tend to be aware of their flaws and accept that they are flawed. With women? Any proposition that women or a specific woman might hypothetically not be flawless, and they're up in arm…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 12:05 PM
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Same equality as women have, right to pick typical male role or typical female role, because today men in relationship must do 100 % of male "work", while doing 50% of female ones. I want to comment specifically on this quote. To most women I talk to, a statement like this sounds like pure fantasy — 'where do you find the women who actually think that, if they even exist?'… Until you ask them what the split of responsibilities should be in a household. Suddenly that's a whole list of what men sh…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 11:28 AM
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How have you noticed political discourse change over the past 2, 5, 10 etc. years? The Left getting more and more radical, less and less logical, more and more ready to use flawed, invalid or even absurd (e.g. clear internal contradiction, clear violation of a law of formal logic) rationales. Unwarranted, unreasonable escalation. Blatant asymmetry. Turning even an unfavourable look upon women's behaviour into a sort of capital social crime, whereas making men more and more free to hate on and en…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 10:49 AM
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Hello! convinced myself that I could only be a good person if I aligned myself with leftist ideology. Now, with a few more years under my belt, I feel secure enough in myself to prioritize my own critical thinking skills — I don't think I've ever heard or read a more spot-on summation of how things work with the Left. How would you describe your relationship with women, in general? Difficult to put all areas of life in a bird's-eye view, but I'd say as colleagues at work, in business, etc. it's …
/r/MensRights29/09/23 10:35 AM
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The cartel is the case here. I would argue that men with jobs and without significant mental issues or significant other problems are in gthe reater demand, in connection with scarcity, roughly speaking. They are somewhat rare goods somewhat highly sought after. And yet, studies done on dating portals show that even where the ratio of women to men is like 2:1, women are still going to successfully make men compete for them or at least still expect men to compete. The only thing I can compare thi…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 07:27 AM
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but let's face it, in western countries there is a blattant woman priviledge who also span on abuse - women can say what they want do what they want they will be always right and will be always trusted, even without evidence. Indeed. And your metro example resonates with me as it only can with someone who wrote his degree papers in criminal evidence. Let's say that because of the benefit of the knowledge I shouldn't feel as powerless as a person who doesn't have it, but having it makes me unable…
/r/MensRights28/09/23 04:30 PM
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I think that women — here referring to the example of your niece as one of a broader class — proceed from a point of excessive or at least controversially heightened sensitivity. I am hesitant to call it excessive because the Bible does say that whoever looks at someone lustfully already commits adultery with them in one's heart. However, the standard does not seem to be a one-way street. There is no argument for it to not be both ways. So if women are to be held to the same standard, then oggli…
/r/MensRights28/09/23 02:41 PM
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I wonder what would happen if the dumpster-truck drivers, sewage cleaners, plumbers and others decided against going to work, as well as all sorts of uniformed officers or health-care professionals. The whole thing is predicated on the presumption that men will not do the same thing that women do. And the asymmetry is deeply hurtful.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 02:34 PM
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It's supposed to be irritating. It serves no purpose other than throwing you off your mental/emotional balance and making you lose your composure and discredit yourself. The noble thing to do is probably ignore the trolling, and the effective thing to do is probably to call it out concisely and calmly so that it works against its author (so you score easy points aainst the immature debater). Do remember that them resorting to cheap ad-hominem shots is essentially them conceding that they have no…
/r/MensRights28/09/23 02:28 PM
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In my experience, however subjective it might be, as a man you generally won't have acceptance on a basis of parity. You will only win some acceptance if you concede that women are the better half of humanity, should have more rights and/or less obligations, generally some form of preferential status. Sometimes with lip service to equality by arguing that the proposed preferential status or treatment only serves to even out a pre-existing inequality or even compensate for something historical. M…
/r/MensRights28/09/23 11:05 AM
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I couldn't help myself, i had to says it's insane how any preference or boundary a man sets can be manipulated. The idea is that men are not allowed to have preferences or boundaries. The rejection of symmetry is becoming more and more openly acknowledged.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:42 AM
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The whole point is not about genders or sexes or group. Here's the deal: position women (even if 51% of society) as a minority, hence protected, and men (even if 49% of society) as a majority and just say that they 'dominant' in order to justify assigning special rights to women and none to men or even denying (to some extent) to men the same rights that every human being has by default. That's the whole point — claim the minority/vulnerable-group status for women and justify departing from equa…
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:35 AM
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Now that is something I've rarely seen before. Thanks for pointing it out so clearly.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:28 AM
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It is probably connected with the Marxist concept of struggle, currently served in its neo-marxist variety. According to the neo-Marxists, there can't be solidarity or cohesion or even peaceful co-existence without struggle; there must always necessarily be struggle and conflict and strife. Whereas old Marxism tried to paint the working classes as the good guys and the underdogs, neo-Marxism essentially weaponizes the lingo in order to argue for a bigger share of the pie to be alloted to whateve…
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:26 AM
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It does look like women get to separate the boys from the men and definite masculinity, whereas men don't get to separate the girls from the women or define feminity.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:18 AM
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Blasphemy! Hate speech! Class B felony!
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:15 AM
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There is always the option to ignore societal validation, although society at that point is not unlikely to retaliate.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:13 AM
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Thank you, OP. I'd like to offer a different perspective. I'm not saying I'm definitely right on this one, but I tend to think it's not that we feel lost or lack confidence in ourselves; it's more how women tend to see us. Somehow, the female perspective on men tends to reduce itself to something like 'men are insecure', 'men lack confidence', 'men feel lost', 'men need help', etc. That's not necessarily the case, and I think it's a sort of diversion from what we try to make the discussion about…
/r/MensRights25/09/23 04:35 PM
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… All the while they are free to even actively go against you.
/r/MensRights23/09/23 02:22 PM
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Part of our problem is that, unlike women, we are not ready to say 'fine!' and walk away. Instead, like the idiots that we apparently are, we insist on continuing to compete for their attention. Let them continue to pine for the 1% and see where that takes them.
/r/MensRights23/09/23 02:22 PM
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Basically living. Even having the will to live, given how hated we are, vilified, negated and put down just for being male. Myself, at this point, I'd rather die than live on.
/r/MensRights23/09/23 02:18 PM
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Unfortunately, men tend to see other men as competitors and fight against them, while also trying to ingratiate themselves with women. Like someone else said, both men and women are biased in favour of women.
/r/MensRights23/09/23 02:14 PM
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No, it's not the patriarchy at fault. It's feminist — or female supremacists of some other variety — competing for the resources, so that as many of all resources are spent on women rather than on men. It's a competition for resources. Also trying to secure impunity for female offenders who commit a crime against a man. In many ways, feminists essentially use patriarchy no longer even as a scapegoat but more like as an alias for themselves and what they do.
/r/MensRights23/09/23 02:09 PM
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In short, society tends to choose to bail women out of their trouble but throw men under the bus with theirs, even adding to the existing weight by stigmatizing them and calling them losers. Women are meanwhile told they believe only the best in life, should never accept anything less, and have a complete right to always put themselves first. This is completely unfair, and it is what Western society is nowadays. An especial kind of shame belongs on men who choose to co-operate in that sort of th…
/r/MensRights23/09/23 02:02 PM
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Well, if the sun were female, we wouldn't be allowed to come anywhere near it, much less converse with it. ;)
/r/MensRights21/09/23 05:08 PM
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And the military guys don't get it easy either. If they can't walk the walk, talk the talk, etc., they're still going to get humiliated.
/r/MensRights20/09/23 12:19 AM
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And it's also extremely patriarchal. Suddenly, we're the omnipotent patriarch who is supposed to control even the weather on holidays, even the sun when you go to the beach is your responsibility.
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:32 PM
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You can get laughed at for not being skilled at typical blue-collar technical work — maintenance, repairs, crafting things with your hands. But, and by the same women, if you are skilled in that, they will scoff at you for not having a university degree. If you are a simple but strong dude that's good with your hands, you will be laughed at for not being a poet or worldly man. But if you are an artistic sort or an office worker, you'll be laughed at as effeminate and not man enough. Or blatant d…
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:28 PM
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To be fair, let's not even look at those who want equal income, equal assets to what they themselves have. If they are wealthy, let them ask for wealthy at impunity. But the problem is expecting an upgrade. And of course providing that upgrade highlights the man's role as provider. So those 'strong independent women' don't want equality. They just want higher-performing providers. The real feminist is the one who doesn't make making more money or having a higher job or social position than hubby…
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:18 PM
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To which the response is, "Sure you can. No man cares. Only other women care." And to that they reply that it's the fruit of a system developed by men. Whatever a woman does to a fellow woman, they will always root that to a man's responsibility.
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:14 PM
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Wasn't patriarchy developed by the feminists of the time, though? Just which gender did it benefit more? ;)
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:12 PM
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If all we cared for was sex, we wouldn't be looking for wives or romantic partners or stable relationships.
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:11 PM
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No idea how that's supposed to work. My favourite example is taking the UK's population of unmarried male royals of marriageable able versus the country's population of spinsters. Even if we go down from royals to peers, from peers to younger siblings, second sons, uncles, etc., that's still going to be lower thousands versus millions. Even if we make it friends of cousins of upper-class men versus middle-class spinsters, that's still going to be like 1 such guy per 100 middle-class spinsters. A…
/r/MensRights19/09/23 11:09 PM
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They don't want to bring down the patriarchy. They want to enforce it but with a readjustment resulting in a better lot in it for themselves. There is no interest in equality or partnership. There is interest in getting (access to) a better (higher-value, more prestigous) patriarchal provider for themselves. Not necessarily breadwinner, putter-of-food-on-the-table, because they can do that too, but someone who will provide better opportunities, an upgrade, a springboard. The dating scene feels m…
/r/MensRights19/09/23 10:56 PM
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The feminist lie of 'equality', where they just claim the status of a minority (despite often being 51% or more of the population) or of a vulnerable group, so as to push for anything but equality and actively oppose equality. Affirmative action forever or till year 10,000, because patriarchy in the past.
/r/MensRights19/09/23 10:47 PM
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Let's not forget that there are also saucy novels and novellas and other types of porn and porn-like material than videos and pictures. I keep bringing those up whenever men are porn-shamed in Internet discussions (including in the Christian context), alongside pointing out that whatever watching porn is morally, it is the same for women as it is for men. This is exposing me to a risk of the usual backlash of accusations of misogyny, hatred, failure to understand women, as well as outright name-…
/r/MensRights19/09/23 06:53 PM
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In order to be fair, we sometimes must exercise our brains to play the 'devil's advocate' — especially if the other side of the debate is very far from being the devil. In my experience, 6' height, 6-digit salary and whatnot is not the requirements or expectations of a well-rounded family-minded, partnership-minded, friendship-with-her-man-minded woman, who might perhaps not be as physically attractive or in some ways socially attractive as her differently-minded counterparts, and here we're pro…
/r/MensRights17/09/23 12:08 PM
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Opposing the unfair silencing of our voices helps us have them heard. For example the fundamental unfairness of treating women as a protected/vulnerable group/minority, so that they can't be criticized no matter what but not only that, women's own free-spech rights versus men must be unlimited, which puts the mutual converstion on an unequal footing or even silences it down completely. Or the unfair slippery-slope fallacy that verbal disagreement, let alone criticism, is just a prelude to potent…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 02:29 PM
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That depends actually. I know apps/portals where the opposite is true, and in my country singles' meetups are mostly women's hangouts. The going complaint is that men are passive/absent, but also that there aren't 'worthy' partners to be found, somewhat similar to a hedge lord's daughter complaining that she doesn't have a queue of royal princes lined up to kill dragons for her and setting up a joust. Basically that a woman doesn't get to pick from a set of multiple men each more socially or eve…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 11:15 AM
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There is no need for that. I am simply showing you that there is some nuance here and more than just a binary choice with any thought spend on the matter beyond choosing 0 or 1 being a waste of time. I fundamentally agree with you that one has to play the cards one's got. What I contend is that that doesn't end the discussion or make all other aspects of the situation irrelevant and not worth bringing up. None of what I said translates into 'just giving up'. Contrary to simplistic (and mistaken)…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 10:41 AM
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Now that I'm getting older it's those women that are looking sorry and desperate. Now that they're getting older they ain't hot shit anymore and they wish they would have gotten with one of those guys when she had the chance. Correct. But the sad part is how people end up losing their opportunities of finding love/at least a relationship over that. For every person who ends up alone, there is another person ending up alone who could have been with them. This isn't mere money. It's people's lives…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 09:53 AM
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Well if you think that ALL women think that way, fine, I just disagree. All women are not that way, but the problem is how very many in fact are and how broadly and unquestioningly accepted it is. I can play my cards for myself, I can also opt out of the card game (opting out of the dating scene is apparently a capital offence against social justice these days and the ultimate insult to women), that's largely on me, but accepting the blatant injustice, the second-class-citizen treatment, is some…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 09:47 AM
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The problem is that they get away with those open claims of asymmetrical, unequal entitlement. They and the advocates make it so that if you challenge such a claim, you're now a bigot, misogynist, hater, etc. Your refutation or even pointing out of the inconsistency will be labelled as hate speech and you will be turned into a non-person with no rights. By contrast, a man — especially a middle-aged man with a college degree — falling into such obvious contradiction obliviously, let alone embraci…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 09:44 AM
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Yes. Under monogamy, e.g. 10 men can't be with 1000 women. If one won't accept anything less than a prince, there are only so many princes in the realm.
/r/MensRights15/09/23 09:33 AM
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It's also the illusion of choice and availability. Internet/app dating makes it look like everybody is competing for everybody (and against everybody), with a potentially infinite pool of candidates. Except most of those perceived candidates are not in fact accessible. Illustration/example: just because there are 100K men and 100K women in an app doesn't mean that anybody has 100K suitors or even potential suitors. But people see thousands of other singles in relevant brackets, so they get picky…
/r/MensRights15/09/23 09:28 AM
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Indeed, and some will even argue for using 'woman' as an adjective, I suppose (not that it doesn't work, but it would be difficult to claim as the only right way). I wonder about British speakers and other non-American native speakers, because now that you say, I think it was a bit of a distinctive American feature. So even Brits could be oblivious (especially the less educated ones).
/r/MensRights14/09/23 09:39 PM
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Could also be non-native speakers getting mental associations with how animals are referred to (because in their first language 'a female' feels like a 'doe', 'a male' fells like 'a buck') while being ignorant of academic/popular-science use because their proficiency level is more intermediate or advanced than truly proficient. I am non-native myself, and some 30 years ago I had that wrong impression for a while (totally influenced by unwarranted projections from my first language) until I was c…
/r/MensRights14/09/23 09:18 PM
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We need normal human women advocating for men on behalf of other normal women. Thank you. I may be overreacting a bit (I have PTSD from misandry, and it goes farther back than the last couple of years), but I facepalmed in a positive way and just sat for a while with my mouth open. This was better than a birthday gift — and a total surprise.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 09:03 PM
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but you never hear the reverse Sometimes you do. I did. I wish I could unhear it.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 08:59 PM
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Thank you. A single good word or single instance of neutral, fair treatment can cure the effect of a thousand of hurtful words.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 08:58 PM
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You can follow that with contrasting priority attention versus demands for priority treatment. Focusing your attention on a particular group is not the same as arguing that society should craft special rules for that group — privileges, exemptions or anything else.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 08:37 PM
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The easier part is probably the one about supremacism. I would use the literal test first. Do we argue for male supremacy? We don't. Synonyms: do we argue for rule by men or superiority of men? We don't. We have a right to demand that such a claim be dropped if it can't be proved. Less literally, the dictionary test: do we say that men should be put in charge or should have the decisive say or anything else that would fall within typical dictionary definitions of supremacism? We don't. So anothe…
/r/MensRights14/09/23 08:31 PM
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It's not really taking offence as in being hurt — it's more like basically psych warfare on us and cutting off our support networks and isolating us, so that we are weaker. Collective bargaining for them, individual bargaining for us. Plus silencing criticism as a form of image control. It's war to them and they are pulling ruthless moves.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 08:12 PM
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I find it pretty rare to hear men bashing women here. Go to “ask a feminist “. And they are calling us shit. Actually saying “men are shit”. Straight out. The double standard is really hurtful. For some reason, I seem to care about this strongly. Sort of like a person hated and discriminated against on racial or ethnic grounds (which also sometimes happens, so I can compare). I essentially live in a sort of depression or acute tension because of how 'men are shit' is a legitimate opinion or 'let…
/r/MensRights14/09/23 08:05 PM
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> It amazes me that some woman really think us having our own spaces is somehow sexist or being "oppressive" to them. You nailed it. I think at least some of them are going for the jugular, cutting off our support networks and intimidating, gaslighting us into not raising our issues, as if attention or empathy was a zero-sum game, a resource to fight over, and into not exchanging our experience, not drawing any generalized conclusions, treating every problem as an isolated incident and preferabl…
/r/MensRights14/09/23 07:59 PM
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