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| 1 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?Nah, I'm taking that into account. If I de-aged her I think she wouldn't have dated me with her current mindset then lol. Again, not wanting to date a certain person is fine. But advising people to not date anyone going through something rough, is weirder than people realize. Like maybe me giving this example will make what I'm trying to say clearer or perhaps less clear: If I fall for a girl in the broke neighborhood I live in, winning a million dollars and being able to live in a nicer neighbo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 07:55 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?I understand that. I just don't like such a weird calculated sentiment that the dating world has gotten to. Like the girl I dated and I are friends now and I feel like there's no way she would've dated me at her current outlook, despite the fact that we had a great time and bond through my VERY low points. I'm not saying you can't take things like drugs or zero finances into account, but other than all negatives hitting men worse, saying someone SHOULDN'T even date someone like your brother soun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 06:35 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?I ask not necessarily because I disagree but rather the flipside you mentioned does happen. It's more likely for women in similar positions to date. And also, I remember being at a low point too and a lovely girl helped me out when we dated. Of course I'm not saying you have to charity date but I find the notion that someone is radioactive to dating because they're not at their best is a very new obsession. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 02:15 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?Unless it's too personal, why do you think a woman shouldn't go out with him even if he isnta at his best? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 03:30 PM |
| – | Romance is dying because men and women know too much about each other.Why does everyone keep asking for proof? This stuff isn't quantifiable in the way you're asking. Are people more or less racist than 10, 20, 30 years ago? Can you quantify it? Was cinema more open to experimenting than now? Is the music industry different and does it affect creativity? They way you want things discussed makes those very human questions impossible to discuss. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/26 05:15 PM |
| 2 | The "you are automatically siding with the oppressor argument" is a perfect argument to show feminist women will never be ok with male indifference towards women.Was everybody busy when you posted this? I thought it was good food for thought. I actually never made that catch despite how in front of our faces it is. You can leave, but only if we stamp you with a scarlet "I" on the way out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Men need to start leaving women alone.Is this a blackpill response? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 01:42 AM |
| 1 | MEN ONLY: Do all men cheat?Sorry to hear. I don't know what personal advice to give you other than it's your choice but it shouldn't be made with a dark tinted lense. A quick search of the book makes me think you should throw it out the window. Depending where you're from, as it varies per country, most men don't cheat. And the fact that it changes widely per country also means that there's many factors that make someone or don't make someone a cheater, meaning it can vary down to someone who doesn't cheat at all. It suck… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:02 AM |
| 3 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?Whoa, that's a good point. Women holding down normal ass jobs pride themselves with being hardworking bad bitches. And a guy working double shifts isn't really impressive to anyone unless it's an impressive job or product being built. I was starting to think men should probably get over this, "ugh, men" attitude women have. But now, I think it's actually worse than I did before lol. If men are viewed so negative, they'll feel desperate to attach to any honor they can get even if it makes them un… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 07:16 PM |
| 3 | We agree alot with each other, but for some reason men are wrong for saying it.Most of those comments had caveats to them that circle back to men suck. This was a comment I think sums it up well: >I totally believe that men have it harder, at least in some ways. It's harder for them to get a date in the first place, and they're beholden to a more narrow role in most cases. It's just that acknowledging this gives bad actors an in to demand women as a whole do something about it. I think it's a big primary reason a lot of women can't give even the smallest concession without… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 12:49 PM |
| 8 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?This doesn't work. Back when men felt weak, they overcompensated, or shoved things down and it was rewarded. So now that isn't rewarded and men are having trouble adjusting or finding a balance, since weakness has now also been loaded with "dumping" your issues on someone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 12:46 PM |
| 4 | We agree alot with each other, but for some reason men are wrong for saying it.The women on here yea, I've had them fight during stuff we were agreeing on. But just to conceptualize it, I would say 1 out of 10 times a woman on ppd will make it a pleasant agreement. On other spaces or in real life I'd say it's closer to 3 or 4. I've seen plenty of comments from women who seem empathetic even if they don't agree on everything. Just not on here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 12:29 AM |
| 1 | We agree alot with each other, but for some reason men are wrong for saying it.Men need to not be dickheads when saying this stuff. Nobody wants to agree with an asshole. I'm not saying being more vulnerable or direct will make women be super concerned for men, but whatever little we can get we should get. And it's healthier to take it in stride too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Women tell us to not objectify them, but they end up doing it themselvesDon't mean to get in the way of you two, but what would the data that proves things like onlyfans or porn due enough damage for us to have a more critical/negative view of it look like? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 11:52 PM |
| – | Talking to Oldheads will prove you how easy the Dating Market as a Man was back in the day. We live in the hardest Dating Market off all time.Don't they still tend to marry within the same economic bracket? Meaning a man with a high salary but less education? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 05:52 AM |
| – | Women are the ones red pilling menMan everytime I come back it's the same points over and over here. If a kid in a wheelchair noticed other kids were ignoring him because of his condition, we wouldn't just end it with "Well, they have no moral obligation to hang out with you." If a group of kids in wheelchairs got together and had slurs for people who could walk, it would take a special kind of laziness to just say that those wheelchair kids are just jealous losers. Not mention the ones out of both groups. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Women's biggest blind spot is other womenWhat about pick-me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/26 10:17 AM |
| – | Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit.The examples they gave did suck but your last thing always strikes me as weird. Whether or not women have some advantages set by patriarchy, why does that being set by (powerful/past) men matter? I don't even think anyone blames women for setting it up when they make these arguments | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 09:11 AM |
| 1 | SWers (and entertainers as a whole) should be held accountable for the views they projectYeah I get that. And I know that experience sucks too. It's just if a smart and possibly kind person has the opposite view as ours, of which many do, I just don't think your or many people's stories are enough to change minds because people have, weirdly, fetishized (lol) data points and research abstracts. And my outdated sentimental view that we shouldn't be reducing ourselves or others to commodity is an argument that won't change people's minds at all. The cultural powerhouse of literature, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 01:54 AM |
| 2 | SWers (and entertainers as a whole) should be held accountable for the views they projectSure. I kinda hate those categories too, but playing devils advocate... even if people are reducing someone to a kink in their heads, is it worth attacking or culturally policing? If someone fetishizes black women but doesn't interact with them, bother them or vote against their interest, is something bad going on still? Someone against our position on this would have a good point in asking what the material PROVEN harm is... I guess | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 01:36 AM |
| 1 | SWers (and entertainers as a whole) should be held accountable for the views they projectI go back and forth a lot on these kind of topics. I largely agree with you, but if someone has a kink that happens to align with a stereotype, do they repress it? Does someone knowing customers have that kink not explore it despite the lucrative opportunity at hand? Also, I just think sadly, things don't work out like you hope. This is a larger symptom of everything being pornified. I think creators will end up getting a pass while society learns to not let it fuck them up. As with most things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Why demand emotional numbness from men and then complain when we go cold?Well, there's definitely not gonna be any conclusive studies on something like this because it's near impossible to research. I do have personal experience, but honestly I don't know why that would change your mind, it would just be anecdotal. But then can we at least say it's not cool to assume when men bring this up they're not just trying to justify tantrums? They have a concern that can equally mirror women's? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 09:24 AM |
| 0 | "Both women and men believe that their gender disadvantages them. When so many men feel underappreciated and so many women feel mistreated, it creates a vicious cycle of resentment." → ResearchI totally agree about women not really caring about men's issues. But also... Women are so caught up in the problems of having leveled up to the point where their hypergamous nature has left them with fewer men to exploit for resources that their uncaring selfishness This really isn't helping dude. This rhetoric is part of why the movement necessary for men is so messy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 09:10 AM |
| 4 | Why demand emotional numbness from men and then complain when we go cold?I didn't say women demand numbness. I think most people have a hard time understanding others but especially men. That apathy or disdain can come from men too. Is the theory that men have a hard time finding sympathy from women in their lives (and definitely online) a crazy assertion to you? What exactly would change your mind about this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 08:54 AM |
| 3 | Why demand emotional numbness from men and then complain when we go cold?But then how do we/men receive acknowledgement of this problem? If you're saying it's not most men who lash out, and when men speak up women automatically assume the worst intentions, where do we go from here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 08:08 AM |
| 2 | Why demand emotional numbness from men and then complain when we go cold?Btw, what art are you referring to? Because unfortunately most art depicts men as werewolves that turn when the moon of our sorrow shows up. Which is fine cuz unfortunately men are more violent. But like what, Elliot Smith or something? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 04:45 AM |
| 3 | Why demand emotional numbness from men and then complain when we go cold?I think currently and for the foreseeable future, men weaponizing loneliness and women's apathy are both true. I don't buy that one came first, they were in constant mutual feeding before the gender war exploded. I think what a lot of men are doing now is no different than what women were doing throughout the 2000s, and currently. There's a gender box that you feel imprisoned to, and lash out at society when you don't shine within that box. A non threatening guy who says he wants a virgin housew… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 04:39 AM |
| 3 | Why demand emotional numbness from men and then complain when we go cold?Do most men just lash out though? When this subject is brought up women assume men are saying that we should be able to break shit and scream in front of you. Is it just women believe they never act weird to a man expressing negative emotions? Honestly I think men and women suck at comforting men. The women who who actually listened to me always ended up having a romantic interest😅, BEFORE being in a relationship. I wonder if that changes once actually in the relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/25 04:13 AM |
| 0 | Tinder and Instagram have the same results as PornYou're experience is your experience. My experience is different from yours. What exactly what would you have to see or read for you to change your mind in the effects of media/porn? I wasn't creating a narrative btw, I was just challenging your idea that media like porn has no real effect on people's expectations. If "the powers that be" start creating babies it might be as a result of them giving up on society not procreating enough to sustain society, not because they're evil people who don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/25 02:41 PM |
| 1 | Tinder and Instagram have the same results as PornYou seem to not be able to take a cost-benefit analysis on social media, which is fine. But I don't think you should project that laziness to others. I also don't know why you would assume social media HAS to exist in order for all the good things you mentioned it has done to exist I said the above text because you gave examples of something which could easily be done without social media as you yourself admit, so in weighing if it's a net negative or not I don't know why you mentioned pro/posit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/25 03:18 AM |
| 2 | Tinder and Instagram have the same results as PornI don't know why you're marrying social media to cellphones as if their the same thing. I also don't know why you would assume social media HAS to exist in order for all the good things you mentioned it has done to exist, especially when I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a significant rise of "saving people's lives" because if it, except in certain brutal authoritarian countries maybe. OP mentioned both genders and I didn't mention either, no need to assume I'm saying that social media has CREAT… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/25 01:00 AM |
| 3 | Tinder and Instagram have the same results as PornWould you say social media has made things worse or better? Because it's not about if social media, porn etc, CREATED unhealthy aspects in our lives but if it has made things far worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:40 PM |
| 3 | Tinder and Instagram have the same results as Porn1) What age did you start watching and how often? That affects things. Would you say social media, movies, or culture are equally as unmoving? 2) The rest of this is rather conspiratorial, in the very vague wrong kind of way. Surely you agree there's been historical differences for beauty. I think there might've been tribes in South America that preferred shorter men. I can absolutely tell you my preferences changed a bit, but social media being a huge factor in depression and insecurity tells m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:34 PM |
| 16 | When did the narrative shift from "it's your personality and misogyny that keeping you single" to "ofc women love attractive men, are you a stupid shut in!!" ?This isn't true at all. Women have gotten better at hiding that resentment but it wasn't too long ago at all that women were constantly criticizing men's preferences too. In fact a guy saying he wants a virgin housewife isn't likely to be met with a "good for you" by women. The idea that women aren't vindictive about men from dating experiences or dating philosophies is crazy given how mean spirited the rhetoric is on both sides. Also the analysis isn't equal. Although it can be more of paranoia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/25 11:44 PM |
| 3 | When did the narrative shift from "it's your personality and misogyny that keeping you single" to "ofc women love attractive men, are you a stupid shut in!!" ?I'm so glad someone said this. Aren't poor people so fucking annoying? Like dude, we live in the most fair system of all time. Waah I have depression, waaah my area sucks, waaaah I can't afford my medical bills. Just level up losers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/25 11:38 PM |
| 2 | Prostitution should be legal and chatbots for men government fundedI mean the government enacts civil law, discrimination laws, welfare, many other programs. I wouldn't say they're angels or purely motivated by kindness, but they do for us more than most of our neighbors, maybe different wherever you're from. Some healthcare covers hair loss for women. Some also cover abortion pills or have programs to help pay for it. So if the government can help pay for a decision one makes for being irresponsibly horny, then I don't see why they couldn't cover sexual frustr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 06:24 AM |
| 0 | Men love transactional relationships.That's too semantical no? I think people say transactional when they mean the things you appreciate about a person are external thing that you trade, rather than liking someone's humor in exchange for your appreciation of their humor. Cars, money, and masturbatory sex are not really a part of you, however your chemistry, being able to make each other smile, physically bonding, and hell even your appearance are things that are more "you" rather than the colder external things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 05:55 AM |
| 2 | MGTOW And 4B Movements Are Just Different Sides Of The Same CoinPressure to marry for both. There was some pressure to be submissive but if you truly been around Korean culture you know it's not as simple as that. Korean women were not down with 4B when the movement started. You do realize they advocated for complete segregation and said little boys should be labeled baby bugs right? There was of course more women affected by rape and sexual assault, however these numbers are hard to grasp given that studies show east asian countries to be much safer for wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 05:48 AM |
| 2 | MGTOW And 4B Movements Are Just Different Sides Of The Same CoinThere was already marriage and relationship decline and way more women working around the time 4B came into play. They called men bugs and little boys baby bugs. Most Korean women had a very negative perception of the movement. It's weirdly given a little more leeway by foreign women thanks to the gender wars, in a retroactive way that Koreans don't even do. I'm not saying there wasn't/isn't sexism, but as OP said, the origins of these things don't matter as much as what is being said and acted … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 05:42 AM |
| 0 | What are your thoughts on those in the sex industry/OF models? (All welcome and encouraged to contribute)Isn't heavy porn use correlated with sexual assault? I'm not saying it causes abuse but surely sex crimes would be super low with how much porn is available. If you mean overall rape has gone down through generations, that could be through MANY factors. Uk and Nordic countries have widespread porn with high rape rates. Japan has really low numbers, prevalent porn use and sex work normalized. So idk. I'm not against porn at all but it's really hard to tell if it's a net benefit at all. Mental hea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/25 11:58 AM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on those in the sex industry/OF models? (All welcome and encouraged to contribute)I'm going to defend and criticize porn here. A big problem is the modonna-whore complex that fuels porn, and then reinforces it ten fold. It makes sex feel so dirty, far more than any preacher could. And so women are heavily sexualized, and also seen as dirty because of it. US is a study of cognitive dissonance in our interaction with porn, Japan (to people's amazement) is far more liberal and glamorous about porn and sex work, but it's the Nordic countries who have probably the healthiest consu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/25 11:41 AM |
| 2 | Existence of cuckold porn proves that more men than you think want to be cuckedInterestingly, porn stories were influenced by feminist writers. Have you heard of "The Decameron" published in 1620? It's a classic Italian book where in parts of the book are dedicated to women cuckolding (cheating) their husbands in very unrealistic mischievous way (like in porn). The story of Peronella comes to mind. It was a way for feminist writers to mock men as revenge for a patriarchal society. Many movies and TV shows have done similar. But in a funny way, it actually reinforces gender… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/25 08:35 AM |
| 3 | Existence of cuckold porn proves that more men than you think want to be cuckedThis actually could hold water if there's some study about long term use of porn almost always leading to a cuckold fetish. But most people are horny and watch about 5 minutes of a video for release. And you're theory would make more sense if people already didn't have very specific fetishes. People really into feet, or role plays aren't getting a cuckold experience I would say, they insert themselves into it. There's also celebrities who fuck super models and still watch porn, people who love a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/25 08:11 AM |
| 1 | Can you call yourself intelligent if you can’t deduce, breakdown, and understand interpersonal dynamics?I'm pretty sure ALL women, including shy ones, having stories about men constantly hitting on them is contrary to this no? But either way, outside of relationships materializing, I still think shy girls get more of a pass or more patience. As someone who was extremely shy and had an equally shy sister I can say the experiences were different. I was the pussy, she was just a weird girl. I'm happy for her, but her current boyfriend is her bedrock in a way that someone being that for me makes me lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/25 01:53 AM |
| 1 | How many of you have changed your preferences (likes/dislikes, turn-ons/turn-offs) because of begging; pleading; shaming; or derogatory remarks from women?So, understandably, shaming or criticizing is where you're issue is, not that women can't change preferences? If nagging or arguing doesn't work though, don't your criticisms and form of criticizing here probably fail to change anything as well. Do you think any men changed their behavior because of you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/25 12:08 AM |
| 3 | Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out?They could be going for both | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/25 11:36 PM |
| 5 | Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out?Nothing too bad thankfully. I cold-approached a girl who was all smiles until I asked her out somewhere. She put her head down, said no and turned away. Her friends next to her sort of held in their laughter. That's nowhere near as bad as I've heard from friends, but more humiliating things seem to happen during dates I think. I've seen women give a "Dude I'm just trying to sit here alone" angry answer, and I get they could just be having a bad or whatever. I imagine that also sucks to be reject… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/25 11:31 PM |
| 1 | How many of you have changed your preferences (likes/dislikes, turn-ons/turn-offs) because of begging; pleading; shaming; or derogatory remarks from women?I don't know if being a man just made me more susceptible to womens' beauty, but I assume preferences are built on by early experiences, and media. But things can change. I have no idea why, but until the age of 23 I didn't like Asian girls. Got a little bit into kpop and now I think they're beautiful, and not just the celebrities but those with asian features. But let's say preferences are as said in stone as you propose, can a woman who has toxic preferences that lead to abusive partners ever … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/25 11:23 PM |
| 0 | How many of you have changed your preferences (likes/dislikes, turn-ons/turn-offs) because of begging; pleading; shaming; or derogatory remarks from women?If someone's preferences correlated to abusive partners do you believe they could change that or should just remain alone? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/25 04:59 AM |
| 1 | People should be consistent with any criticism they have with men.You're not responding to me. One could give me a couple answers they hear within feminist communities or their own ideas, but again feminists mostly give an extremely vague answer to these questions I have or say I'm trying to marry the movement to a certain position. If you think I'm trying to hold ALL feminists to one answer while also not answering then I think there's a good chance you or most people just don't have an answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 06:35 PM |
| 1 | People should be consistent with any criticism they have with men.I was asking the persons view and how feminists tend to deal with the scenarios I put forward in terms of action. I'm quite aware that if a woman was spouting sexist propaganda then feminists would battle against her. I want to know what people do in gray areas, because I see many feminists give a very lukewarm response to the scenarios I put forward. For example, I've seen feminists be far more critical of the men, creators and consumers, about porn then the women who participate in all roles o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:03 PM |
| 1 | People should be consistent with any criticism they have with men.🤣 I'll think about it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 03:50 PM |
| 0 | People should be consistent with any criticism they have with men.Men using women to sell their sexuality for man’s profit and desires is exploitation. So if it’s empowering for a porn start to work for an agency with male superiors, great. Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding you but this is what I view as contradictory about your claim. But further, if supporting women for their individual benefit can lead to supporting a women that indirectly/without ill intentions causes harm, like a female promoter of a harmful drug, or if hypothetically it is proven that po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Modern dating is in the state it is today due to Women’s romantic interest and attention now essentially becoming the most dominant if not only currency (in The West)The overall text is definitely too Holden Caulfield for me, as most male posts here are (which is why I think they're young), but I took it to mean like social currency or social standing and how men feel in that position. But fair enough, the text was too cringey probably. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 05:02 AM |
| 4 | People should be consistent with any criticism they have with men.I don't know if working for a boss is always exploitation. I'm not a socialist but I don't have a good answer to the coconut island scenario lol Either way it doesn't matter does it? A McDonald's worker is also working for his own gain, is that empowering? If feminism is ethical, how can it be enacted if everything under capitalism is unethical? There's no real empowering, or not in a way that really matters. This is probably out of bounce for discussion here lol, but was curious anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:56 AM |
| 3 | People should be consistent with any criticism they have with men.Women utilizing their own sexuality for their own gain is empowering. Men using women to sell their sexuality for man’s profit and desires is exploitation Can you elaborate on this? Like are female pornstars not empowering themselves if by their own choice they work with a company that's male led? If that's always exploitation, can a woman exploit another woman the same way? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:46 AM |
| 4 | Modern dating is in the state it is today due to Women’s romantic interest and attention now essentially becoming the most dominant if not only currency (in The West)I'm pretty sure the post was more about value rather than direct outcomes no? For example, if media purely showed tall blonde women as beautiful , in a world where women's beauty matters a lot, it might create great distress in women who don't look like that. And that distress probably wouldn't be lowered much if you told insecure women that most of them can still get boyfriends or get a hobby. I agree most people are dating or have other things going on in their lives, but I also feel men in ei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Modern dating is in the state it is today due to Women’s romantic interest and attention now essentially becoming the most dominant if not only currency (in The West)How old are you? You're story isn't uncommon but younger guys are also going through a different age, one that I think can be understandably confusing to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:31 AM |
| 1 | Modern dating is in the state it is today due to Women’s romantic interest and attention now essentially becoming the most dominant if not only currency (in The West)Even if true, isn't the post about analysis as to WHY men feel undervalued or are undervalued. Which for a lot of young men means that dating or entering a relationship can be stressful and daunting. It's weird to see so many older guys and women tell younger men going through the Internet age that they just need to man up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 04:29 AM |
| 2 | Modern dating is in the state it is today due to Women’s romantic interest and attention now essentially becoming the most dominant if not only currency (in The West)Oh, well case closed then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/25 09:02 PM |
| 4 | Modern dating is in the state it is today due to Women’s romantic interest and attention now essentially becoming the most dominant if not only currency (in The West)How do you know they're not trying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/25 08:23 PM |
| 0 | Does it matter what kind of porn a guy watches?Yeah that's a totally fair perspective. But what I gathered from your first comment, and maybe I read your intentions wrong, was that that media could CAUSE or enforce extreme behavior, which there isn't much evidence of- or at least not yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 12:20 AM |
| 1 | The reason why some people decry OF is the same reason why I'd never date I guy if I knew he watches OF.Yeah I kinda used to roll my eyes at the whole "porn is art" thing. I still kinda do, but the Japanese AV scene has basically normalized it to a point where I understand it more, although still think it's a little pretentious. You watch horror movies to be scared, drama movies to empathize, and porn to be aroused. But it's all actors playing out a scene in all those cases. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 11:49 PM |
| 6 | The reason why some people decry OF is the same reason why I'd never date I guy if I knew he watches OF.Like if a smoker doesn't like tobacco companies marketing to young people? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 11:40 PM |
| 2 | Does it matter what kind of porn a guy watches?Japanese porn not only has much more "immoral" content, but is much more normalized too. It's not totally normal, but because they're erotic movies people tend to view it as like any other movie. Horror movies don't tend to create killers, and people viewing it that way creates a helpful self fulfilling prophecy. The biggest problem that we know of for sure is that it can create a problem where sex is more compulsory than joyful, as well as making real sex seem much more boring. Basically fucks … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 11:37 PM |
| -1 | Does it matter what kind of porn a guy watches?I don't think it's widespread abuse at all. US and Japan are the biggest producers of porn which have pretty heavy regulations and it's so normalized that not only do many women in Japan want to try it, but adult actresses (sometimes even called idol) have large numbers of female fans. That's why some stories of abuse become sensational, because they're rare | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Female Sexuality: The Power Nobody Wants to Admit Exists (Until It Stops Working)I meant the worry of being seen as ugly. Anyone would have got that by the whole text if they weren't being semantical. And even then it's still not a huge thing to battle about. If a girl is being called ugly by people at her school that in turn will probably make her feel ugly. Either way most people know what the intent of my original claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/25 04:48 AM |
| 3 | Female Sexuality: The Power Nobody Wants to Admit Exists (Until It Stops Working)Not being seen as ugly, but feeling ugly. I guess actually being seen as ugly will probably correlate With feeling ugly. Now, are you saying without studies you can Google in a few minutes, women's body issues are irrelevant to you? It's insane when people choose a problem is actually problem based on convenience. Are you really willing to throw other women under the bus for a gotcha on reddit? https://ourbodiesourselves.org/blog/what-percentage-of-women-are-satisfied-with-their-body-image-surve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/25 04:27 AM |
| 2 | Female Sexuality: The Power Nobody Wants to Admit Exists (Until It Stops Working)My hope for integrity in this sub goes up and down but it has REALLY wavered now. I don't fully agree with you, but the fact that in the age of social media, everyone wearing makeup, beauty icons, plastic surgery, and women experiencing depression over not being pretty enough, the women here have collectively said that women in general rather be INVISIBLE!!! And them saying this on behalf of "normal, or most" women is crazy. I don't know a single girl who would prefer to be ugly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/25 04:11 AM |
| 11 | Female Sexuality: The Power Nobody Wants to Admit Exists (Until It Stops Working)Make-up, sexy fashion, horny icons, plastic surgery, and being seen as ugly as a high correlation of depression in women is a weird way for women to want to be invisible or not see beauty as powerful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/25 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Women who “expose” a man for being a terrible person after they break up aren’t good peopleI agree 90%. But what if women were told to take the good with the bad about guys like 20 or 30 years ago. You'd be dealing with more sexist men. Gen Z is a little crazy but I think it was a good thing for men to be criticized for bad habits. I think if we can agree (culturally) that maybe women display some toxic traits then I think it's ok to at least complain about that specific thing about a group that does it more often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/25 09:43 AM |
| 2 | What are the effects of women increasingly attending college more than men and them being on the path to start earning more in the future?From what I know educated women date/marry uneducated men if the man is earning more, generally. But that compromise leaves them more options because middle class non college women tend to want college educated AND higher earning men. It's possible wealthy people will have more or less the same experience while lower earning will have a very lonely romantic life. But who knows... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/25 09:17 AM |
| 3 | Why don't women look down on or criticize femcels as much as incels?I think that's more likely nowadays. But people forget the amount of complaints about men that were non stop back in the day, some which was agreeable and glad it succeeded, but a lot was also femcel stuff. Also women do still complain, even when they are "done with men" they still support messaging of men being trash or whatever. 4B is still a thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/25 04:04 AM |
| -1 | CMV: The best way for most men to improve their dating prospects is to make more money. The best way for most women is to lose weight. But both genders project and prioritize what the other gender is supposed to.Money isn’t sexually arousing to anyone, and it’s madness to believe that money gets a woman wet. What an odd thing to say. It's not necessarily about sexual arousal, as much as a big component of whether women want to start a relationship or not. It's actually a hard thing to have a tagline for, especially when we talk internationally as women do have different perspectives outside the US, like eastern countries for example. People also forget to mention that being in the same social circle is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/25 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.I think there's a difference between saying a lot of people say something off vs a lot people are something radical. There's no way you've seen as much hate either side than just people who say dumb shit sometimes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:45 PM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingSure but I mean those beauty standards, not just beauty but gender roles, can bleed unto other things, like making suicide more likely. Or Making a society more angry. We can care about the issues you listed at the same time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 10:01 AM |
| 2 | Both Genders need to realize that Dating is Amoral and Unfair and that no-one is entitled to anything on both sides.I mostly agree with you but there's an extra layer no one wants to analyze. One, I think shaming does kind of work. Growing up men were shamed for the shallowness of wanting pure innocent housewives because they couldn't handle strong women. They were right, and I do think men changed on that. Also the problem is gender roles. If it becomes popular for women to want a certain thing, then men have to conform to that thing and that can lead to toxic places. The whole process has become circular: s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:30 AM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingYeah those groups never retaliated either huh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:15 AM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingAre you just for tribe against tribe then? Why wouldn't we want people to care about others more often? I get we each can't save the world but wouldn't you want the number of men who are interested in women's issues to increase? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:14 AM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingDo you see women's beauty standards as a serious issue? Appearance is a big part of everyone's lives, especially women's. I think it would say a lot about a man who shrugged his shoulders and say he didn't care about how that affects women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:10 AM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingWhy Zelensky? Are you actually brushed up on the subject? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:02 AM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingSorry, you don't lack empathy, but the men hurting are all men who see women as sex dolls? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:01 AM |
| – | Women only care about men's issues when the ramifications of it starts affecting them directly. Men at the same time are expected to acknowledge female struggles and if men show an indifference towards plights of women, they ae shamed and guilted into conformingDo you mean Putin? Zelensky did negotiate with Trump and didn't start the invasion. Why would you blame him? If you mean why would he only conscript men, I'm not sure but unless women had mandatory training when they turned 18 I don't know how useful they could be in combat. It could also lower morale to just do it suddenly. It can be true that powerful men don't care about men, and that you don't care about men. It can be both | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 09:00 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.This sub isn't proof. And while a lot of men say shit I don't agree with, most of them aren't as hateful as people keep making out to be. But it is always easier to remember the worst of the worst. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 08:53 AM |
| 2 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.I go with anyone I share a connection with. I wouldn't avoid a supermodel if we had chemistry. There's behavior one can assess for problems but I always feel like the type I usually connect with fortunately filters out bad partners. (Of course, it's possible they could've cheated without me knowing) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/25 08:49 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.A lack of opportunity to be abusive doesn't make them any better than men who already are. I wholeheartedly reject the idea that men who can't find relationships must be better, more moral, or less abusive than those who can I don't think he said that and I definitely didn't say that. The post was a COUNTER to the stereotypes of lonely men as more dangerous or bad partners. Your problem with me stereotyping them is yours to real with. I truly couldn't care less Ok, then is incels stereotyping wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/25 04:13 AM |
| 0 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.Shit you've gotten worse than usual. If it doesn't apply to you then why you tripping? I don't care when men stereotype the women here as femcels or misandrist feminists I don't like people stereotyping anybody idk why that comes off as me being butthurt. You keep slinging mud and then get so obnoxious when people sling back. The MAIN ask from OP is to focus on people who hurting you, that's why he mentions blame. Am I hurting you? No right? Reddit men? Probably not right? Have you heard of tran… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/25 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.Saying men suck and women coming on here to say men suck isn't exactly a passive act, including activists who have horrible rhetoric on men- the 4b kind of chicks. Many men also face abuse but it's obviously not as dangerous, and some don't even consider what happened to them as abuse although it is. In fact, unless they're hermits a very high number of men face some sort of abuse as well. I don't blame women for being scared when I walk behind them. It sucks when some women change seats on a bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 06:03 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.You're just as guilty of this. Because you're using a horrific story to paint a picture not just of incels but socially inept men as well. Crime is down, including violent crimes. I understand women's worry on these issues, but being on here I've seen most men who I disagree with not advocate for any violence, force, or shaming of women. I doubt you have a hatred of the 4b movement. I understand those women's pain as well. But I don't pretend like they're a downfall of society or that they're ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 05:32 AM |
| 2 | Why is male porn consumption so hated by some women?So going over the studies it does seem that one of them confidently concludes bad mental health. Unless I missed a part while reading too quickly, it doesn't show if that worsened since joining the industry and many were abused or came from poverty. And also it was from a bit ago. The landscape has changed a lot including acceptance, regulations, and a new rosey picture of sex work from feminists. The second study consistently says there isn't enough data and it's too difficult to even get perfo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.Well then I agree with you I guess. Some of this is subjective labeling. I think of a party guy with above average number of partners as extroverted or attractive, and that does correlate with infidelity for example. But the post isn't about someone coming on and saying "women stop dating very attractive men", it's someone saying that women stereotype incels or male loners as dangerous to women with no real back up. Women, not all, are more scared of the smelly guy on the bus then the club full … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 04:32 AM |
| 2 | Why is male porn consumption so hated by some women?Sorry, off base question and hopefully not wasting your time but you seem like a good person to ask. I feel like the girl's girl era of feminism has shamed so many men for criticizing porn and sex work, while glorifying the women. Yet Everytime I ask those kind of women about porn they tend to have a more anti-porn sediment than me or most men. Is this because women don't like the sexist tone in which some men make these arguments, because from what I can tell most women seem to think porn is un… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 04:11 AM |
| 6 | Why is male porn consumption so hated by some women?Thanks I'll read through them! But before then, if I take everything at face value, do you have a good theory on how we know the porn industry makes performers mental health worse, given that the industry simply could be attracting these people rather than creating them? Also what would differentiate the professional actors vs amateurs in this capacity? Sorry if these questions are answered in the links. And two, assuming the vast majority of participants don't have these problems, are we okay w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 03:36 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.How do you know those men have those issues or will have those issues? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 03:25 AM |
| 2 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.I didn't make that claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 03:20 AM |
| 2 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.You want people to prove a negative? Anyone who has trouble with women has to automatically prove they're not an abuser to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 03:09 AM |
| 3 | Why is male porn consumption so hated by some women?I think I saw you ask if someone wanted stats on this topic. Do you still have that info? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 02:25 AM |
| 4 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.Men who struggle with finding any dates do not cheat or abuse women...as they don't have a chance to That's my point, and I think the spirit of OP's point too. Many women, especially on here, say these men can't get laid because they're terrible, but there's no way of proving that. Women don't complain about incels/loners about abuse that's happened to them, but they do complain about abuse that MIGHT happen to them at the hands of undiserable men. Women are making that claim, OP's sentiments ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 02:23 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.I agree with people being on here less. But we're both here now, and yet again you've deemed something women say in general as truth, but not things men say. Women feeling that men aren't empathetic is also an online thing, but you don't feel the need to chastise women over that. I'm almost 29, and have grown in interest in trying to analyze men pain as of recently. I hated gender roles all my life, and have largely agreed with women my whole life. This online stuff has sadly affected the world … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 01:31 AM |
| 1 | Why is male porn consumption so hated by some women?Its hard to verify or un-verify the claims of self destruction after being in the adult entertainment industry. All I can say is that pornstars in Japan and in Europe don't seem to have that stereotype of a trajectory, because even though it's still a little taboo, porn and porn actors are treated differently there. Japan tends to treat them like pop idols, some even have real acting roles and idol groups. So it's just like another way to be famous, which you can argue that it's kind of shallow … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Why is male porn consumption so hated by some women?Why is it abusive to the people involved? Most are willing. Either them wanting to be seen as diserable or feeling like it's their way to be famous and do something not as hard as being an accomplished artist. You could argue those reasons are unhealthy but I wouldn't say abusive unless you're working on a different definition. Porn horror stories aren't that common anymore. I agree it can fuck with people's minds. I don't see much of a difference in amateur porn other then it's less cinematic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 01:19 AM |
| -3 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.No. But how can someone abuse a girlfriend they don't have? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 01:12 AM |
| -1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.Kind is subjective but I'll go with your perspective on it. I'm sure you usually don't go out of your way to comment and shit on those tiktoks right? Probably because you have a biased priority, like we all do. I don't think that makes you an unkind person. As far as I can tell the spirit of which OP is coming from is that people like him can't get girlfriends, he watches girls be abused by guys who are getting girls, and then women point at people like him as the true enemy of women. I could be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 01:10 AM |
| -2 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.It's not toxic he just didn't word it well, or focused on unimportant details. Incels and loners are the ones who are being stereotyped as dangerous to women at the moment. But how can people abuse girlfriends they don't have? It's a stereotype that's kicking men while they're down, especially the ones who support women or aren't trying to hurt them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 01:00 AM |
| 2 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.In the West? Dude all men should be as lucky. Eastern women are not less materialistic, very likely the opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:56 AM |
| 0 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.He's saying men can't abuse girlfriends they don't have. The way you stereotyped most of the men here, there's a stereotype of men who can't get laid as being extremely harmful despite having no real power behind them to really do anything. So we should date most of the men here instead and that'll work out better for us? guys who think we're evil for being sexually attracted to men based on looks, just like they are for women? They don't know what most of you look like so... No i don't think so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:55 AM |
| 7 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.No, he's saying the opposite of those things are stereotyped as harmful. The insecure nice guy being abusive narrative. Its basically shitting on guys who can't get girlfriends by saying they are abusing women they don't even have. It's a tagline used to (maybe unintentionally) kick these men while they're down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:47 AM |
| 0 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.If we can agree that cheating is abusive then maybe that's a good counter to your argument. Plus powerful people tend to abuse power. Idk if an awkward broke guy can abuse the number of women a powerful man can. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:41 AM |
| -1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.You need prove as to whether a man who has a girlfriend and is able to attract many other girls is more likely to cheat and treat women as expendable than a man who doesn't have a girlfriend and is unable to attract them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.I disagree with this guy but idk how this forum proves or disproves anything lol. Everything is a need in the right context of wants. Water is a need, if you WANT to live. Shelter is a need, if you WANT a safe space from weather. You need toilet paper, if you WANT a clean asshole. Shelter and toilet paper aren't needs in the context you use them, but being human we know people should probably have those things for a better quality of life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:31 AM |
| 3 | Women, in order to avoid abusive males, shun the completely opposite demographic.I think a better argument is the incel/loser types vs everyone else. How can a virgin or someone with low romantic experience repeatedly cheat on someone or abuse someone they don't have. Like when people say the male shut-in types are a big part of politics against feminists, however like you said, most people are in relationships. So most men and women who do stuff against women's interests aren't the loners but the people in relationships. Just like when men scapegoat hot girls, women scapego… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 12:23 AM |
| 6 | In an ideal world, everybody would have an ideal life and dating experience. But it's just not possible for everybody.Thanks for not being mean to us! Lol I consider myself a feminist as well and even though I don't align with everything men say on here, I'm quite shocked to see how sensitive they are trying to be while having the top female commentary being mostly about them not being good enough. The world is random and cruel so we should be nicer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/25 10:05 PM |
| 6 | Women and men behave exactly the same in dating, it’s just women get more opportunity to act cold and selfish so it’s thought to be “their nature”It's definitely objectification, but the scale and type matter. You're body is part of you. A car isn't. I highly doubt women would rather trade being sought after for money than looks. In fact most people would prefer to be sought after for looks. Appearance is also more forgiving from men given that men like many types of women, big or small. And there's at least a romantic aspect in it if people go about it in that way. Money is quantitative and pretty cold. Women might be fine dating with so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/25 09:30 PM |
| 1 | If men objectify women with their bodies, women objectify men with their ressources.I'm torn on the issue but I don't think most men who watch porn are hypocritical on this. Just because a woman likes McDonald's doesn't mean she's a hypocrite if she doesn't want to date a person who works there, or date an actor who does a lot of sex scenes in movies she watches. I also don't think it's hypocritical for a doctor to smoke, because we all know smoking is bad for you but most of us have vices that we work but fail because we're human. The staying objects part is definitely gross, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/25 08:23 AM |
| 1 | Why does it seem like women care WAY more if their male s/o is watching porn than men about smut?This is quite outdated. Porn is heavily regulated and most women go into it because they want to. Of course this is different per country but in the US most people want to. Japan treats adult film actresses close to how they treat pop idols, so most women go into it because they want to be famous or feel important. Whether that's healthy or not is a discussion to be had but I think it's not insanely different from many decisions people make for unhealthy reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 09:31 PM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”If mens worth being tied to sex is an issue that would still be a men's issue either way, just like if someone couldn't make friends that also wouldn't be an issue because nobody owes anyone else friendship, or even empathy. But also, like you just did, the worry shown isn't about men being unhappy but what they do when they're unhappy, however most men who live sad lonely lives don't go "running around being violent because they didn't touch a boob." And so that adds to the stigma of not being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 09:22 PM |
| – | I think a lot of people going forward have to just get over the idea of sex and relationshipsWho's advocating for this again? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Women saying that very few men being "worthy" of relationships is a terrible implication for womenThe sentiment that men aren't good enough has more negative consequence for men. Because it's a vague and subjective tagline that people can use to delegitimize men's dating concerns (and other issues) while making sure men stay hurt and/or resentful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 05:14 PM |
| 3 | The "archetype" theory - Archetypes play a HUGE role in the attraction process for women. Failure to fall within an archetype can significantly reduce your chances of finding someone as a man - even if you have everything else going for you.Also everybody has the capacity to like something that isn’t necessarily “their type,” and I’m willing to bet that describes most humans. Of course. I just think that some people do have a more readable and consistent style vs people that surprise you more and more as you get to know them. I think people a little more weird or complicated might have trouble getting dates right away, but could still definitely get partners through work or friendship circles. It might not even be that they're more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 05:09 AM |
| 2 | The "archetype" theory - Archetypes play a HUGE role in the attraction process for women. Failure to fall within an archetype can significantly reduce your chances of finding someone as a man - even if you have everything else going for you.Yeah that's what it reminded me of and now I might actually agree with OP. Growing up I feel like women/girls were thrown into narrow archetypes: feminine or boyish, slut or puritan, shy or crazy. And it left no perception for the different shades of women there were/are. The only difference was that women were and could get more dates anyway but weren't/aren't being appreciated too much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 04:50 AM |
| 1 | The "archetype" theory - Archetypes play a HUGE role in the attraction process for women. Failure to fall within an archetype can significantly reduce your chances of finding someone as a man - even if you have everything else going for you.I don't know if he meant a professional bodybuilder AND a world class musician lol. Or I think a better example would be a scruffy guy who looks like a lumberjack but is very sweet and likes paintings and gardening. It's not that women wouldn't like him, but that women who expect him to be a manly hard ass will probably thrown off. A better point than OP would also be how women were perceived in recent history. Either they were whores, or pure and innocent. Feminine or tomboys. And that left not… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 04:44 AM |
| 0 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryIs he... He.... Still alive? Gulp | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 11:34 PM |
| 1 | It's not misogyny just because you don't relate to the complaintAgree. But also men are more likely to do something and women are more likely to do something, but if I said a lot, or a majority, I doubt the response would be different. I've tried quantifying in other ways about different issues and have still been accused of dog whistling for something. Also in turn, the reason every one is using the example of "my ex did something to me" is because a lot of people here can't even think of a particular problem unique to something some women do that they HAVE… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:48 PM |
| 0 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryCan't wait for those sex robots. A little less cold I imagine | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:31 PM |
| 2 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryHow is it that men get all the blame for this? Most men just suck and that's why women who don't suck are leaving? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:26 PM |
| – | Straight women who do not want to date bisexual men, what are your reasons?No. I agree with you but the better analogy is "Why did you vote for trump ?" "Well because I voted for trump." Lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:09 PM |
| – | Straight women who do not want to date bisexual men, what are your reasons?Well there is a reason, but you don't have to answer because maybe you don't know or don't want to. But of course there's a reason. It's better to avoid the subject though if "there's no reason". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:07 PM |
| 1 | It's not misogyny just because you don't relate to the complaintYou don't think men who have said women are too picky have been accused of being sexist or something equally ugly? Those accusations get thrown around here all the time and most aren't saying women are gold digging whores incapable of love. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 08:56 PM |
| -1 | It's not misogyny just because you don't relate to the complaintYeah I think OP's sentiment pretty much covered what you've said, but that's not the issue. Even in this sub, I don't see many red-pillers (who I don't agree with) advocating for women to date men they don't like and yet that's the tagline that gets thrown out EVERY time men criticize something that pertains to a significant amount of women's behavior. I know this comes off as very boomer or incel-like, but look at the amount of media and music that's just about complaining about men. Incels are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 08:41 PM |
| 0 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingI said things LIKE porn, because to some people it can have negative effects like unrealistic expectations or over sexualizing things. Obviously for you it didn't. There are plenty other things like general media and culture that help shape young people's minds. It doesn't have to be porn alone, it can be other things PLUS porn. For example beauty standards. Media has a lot to do on how these standards affect people. Social media, internet addiction, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 08:51 PM |
| 5 | Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do?Then kick rocks!!! Why are here saying you want these men to have better lives and now say you have no compassion for them. If you're gonna be ugly about the subject then just own up to the fact that you want to take a swing at men you feel better than. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:22 PM |
| 4 | Most men who date a younger woman are not doing it for nefarious reasonsI agree with you, but is this in any way contradictory about the general blue pill philosophy of we shouldn't shame people for their personal preferences, or make them our business? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:08 PM |
| 7 | Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do?Yeah, you're tone and advice reek of compassion, it's bringing a tear to my eye | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:51 PM |
| 8 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingYou could say someone who is or isn't compatible with you. Or someone who shares a or doesn't share a mutual attraction. There's plenty of ways. It's not just about being nicer. It's more accurate. Do you see a woman who's prettier than you as better than you? Of course not, the absurdity of our society should be pointed out too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:43 PM |
| 0 | Q4M: If men adjusted their standards could this resolve the Successful Woman's Lonliness Epidemic?Yeah I've seen other studies indicating the same. I wouldn't say it's a skill issue if a successful woman can't find a man tho lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:33 PM |
| 8 | Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do?They could be doing that and not getting laid. Maybe not likely, but I also wouldn't guess that a girl with a fulfilling dating life would come on to reddit to chastise and generalize about men, telling them to grow up because of one aspect of their life. But life's complicated | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:30 PM |
| 5 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingNo. The first part I said younger people, so we have to talk with kids and teens about navigating this stuff better so they don't grow into bad habits. For current loners, much tougher, but most men are already on the kick of trying to push away things like porn away from messing with their minds. Men's confidence also goes down with rhetoric though. This thing about people being "out of their league" has toxic implications as well. How we talk should improve, not everything is their fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:20 PM |
| 13 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingSo if men have "trained their brains and dicks to respond to beauty" then either a younger generation can avoid that "training" or un-train themselves no? And maybe women could do something similar. Despite you saying there's no solution, isn't this kinda helpful? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:00 PM |
| 1 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingYeah of course they're different. Romantic relationships or casual dating don't really have to be monogamous though, and also people break up and date again so it's not like one choice forever. You get one set of parents, if they die or they're shit people you can't demand others be your new daddy but we would sympathize with someone who grew up without parental love. However none of this really explains why we should be apathetic or shameful to a group of people missing out on a pretty normal h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 02:09 PM |
| 13 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingMaybe I'm not on here enough. Are there really many people here who say men are victims and women should be forced to date them? This rhetoric seems to be a way for people to completely shield women from any criticism whatsoever. It's not about morality, it's a complicated subject that people like myself want to navigate in the most compassionate form possible. I do also find it funny that people have this attitude about romantic relationships but not other relationships. You don't have a right … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:11 PM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenAs a romantic person, I usually don't mind doing the wooing, the compliments, the poems(yuck, I know). And, more so in the past, I used to be told by female friends that they wished guys were more like me. And I thought, yeah and I wish women were more like me too lol. I don't think women have the tendency to try and make their partner feel special. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 12:47 AM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenNot too long ago I had a conversation with someone about how college- educated and non-college educated women wanted college educated men. College educated women would marry a man without a degree but mainly if he made more money. So "status" and money matter. Things are changing, I think. So I wouldn't bet on this staying the same, but I wouldn't bet that just because women say they don't care about a man making more then that automatically is the case. After all, even if a woman would go 50/50… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 12:41 AM |
| 2 | Why are men’s standards “normal” but women’s “gold digging”Other than the fact women also care about a man's looks, it's not as comparable as people keep making out to be. It's wanting someone for what they are vs what they provide. Repost: If two guys, exactly the same (clones), walked up to you and #1 said, "I think you're beautiful. Would you like to have dinner some time?" And #2 said , "Hey can I see your bank account to see if you can afford my tastes?" Then which one would you prefer. Appearance can be shallow. But it could also be appreciated on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 12:17 AM |
| 0 | Men are shamed both for failing at sex and for succeeding at it.You might be combining a lot of perspectives into one. Their people who shame men for getting any, then people who shame men for being playboys, and people who shame both. It can be hard to guess what group makes up more but either way yes, men get shamed for both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/25 06:28 AM |
| 0 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.Last response cuz we're gonna end up going in circles. You answering No means responsibility isn't the problem, it's the dough. Outliers is a strong word here. I believe 40% of college educated women married men without degrees. However, the men still tended to out-earn their partners. Again, I think the dough is a little more valued here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 08:47 PM |
| 0 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.The basics are absolutely true. And then, yes, adjust for various brackets. The second part, to me, makes the first not very accurate. It's like saying "men don't really care about women's appearance, except if those men are very attractive, or live in the East Coast or have a Hulu subscription." So most women would date a poor man who may or may not meet the "basics" if the reasons are sympathetic enough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 08:23 PM |
| 2 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.Just the basics isn't true. This changes by class. It's complex I guess. Most women I know talk about men with careers, not just basics. Women who aren't on debate-bro mode I think would agree with that. means being an adult who is fully financially responsible and capable of taking care of themselves individually. Again, this applies to context. Would women a prefer a low wage worker who's stable in his shoebox apartment or someone struggling with their house and business. And just a picky poin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 07:49 PM |
| 2 | Why doesn't porn seem to warp womens' perceptions of sex the same way it does for men?Japan | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.What does financially capable of supporting himself mean? Most guys aren't homeless. So it must mean materially impressive right? Women across economic class marry and couple about the same rate but men don't. It's not a shocker women care significantly more about money (my Shakespeare heart cries), I was simply pointing it out as a significant gender difference. Like if women spoke about their low self esteem about appearance and beauty standards, "idk why that is still a shocker for some women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 06:49 PM |
| 0 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.Not sure how many times or ways we need to tell you guys that most women in the western world don’t need, expect or want men to be providers or protectors, we want partners … Marriage and coupling is common for women across class but not for men. Women don't need to be Eastern housewives to put a much higher importance on a man's finances. Society as a whole does this not just women. and then threatening the dickpocalypse or the mass exodus of all men to the paradise of passport bro heaven (ya k… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 06:29 PM |
| 0 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.I think you're taking a bad perspective take on OPs text because I don't believe he is saying that EVERYONE wants men to be stoic badass providers. He saying there's cultural pushes, maybe subconsciously, that put unweighted expectations on men. We can change the words if it helps: Breadwinners to financially impressive. Pursuer to Go-getter, or being confident. Protectors to Physically reliant. I feel like it's rather obvious men and women have different pressures put on them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 06:17 PM |
| 5 | Feminists somehow acknowledge men being expected to be breadwinners, stoic protectors and pursuers under "patriarchy hurts men too" while they simultaneously tell men their dating issues have nothing to do with society or women.I don't know why you think women having their own jobs and bank accounts completely erased gender norms. A woman doesn't have to be a stay-at-home wife to put a high value, from reasonable to absurd, on men's finances. Women and young girls who struggle with their self image, are they also boxing themselves in (to the extent you would respond in the way you did about men)?Cuz most men aren't requiring super models right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/25 06:00 PM |
| 2 | A lot of “icks” and turn-offs are just modern women reinforcing traditional gender roles while pretending to reject themDon't a lot of women get upset at that advice though? Like if we advice men to choose better, that means pointing at certain flags like women being shallow. And calling women shallow or immature gets men called sexist or insecure for criticizing preferences. I do think men should pick better so the advice is fine, but just like women, I think men will be unfairly criticized for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/25 11:53 AM |
| 2 | "Women marry men hoping they will change. Men marry women hoping they will not. So, each is inevitably disappointed." How can this quote apply to modern relationships and dating, and what is the solution if the problem actually exists?Idk, feels like that change in clothes is not as drastic as career paths and such. Depending on how crazy the outfits may be, this isn't that crazy of an ask. Women also have quite the effect in their man's wardrobe. "Based on the number of men" What's the number? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 10:50 AM |
| 5 | The New Marriage of UnequalsThere's pockets of feminism that give leeway to this kind of trauma talk. Sadly, women don't call this out much because "men" is the bigger problem. I agreed with feminists when they called upon men to call out other men. The same kind of help for men (AND children apparently) would be if women called out radical shit that lectures society about men being shallow unromantic monsters. Hopefully that support comes through. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/25 09:14 PM |
| 5 | The New Marriage of UnequalsI'm pretty sure most people who want kids don't do it for a lucrative return or purely selfish reasons. It's not a "waste of time". I don't think you should project your feelings on children and men to most women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/25 05:50 PM |
| 3 | The New Marriage of UnequalsThe study says despite being unequal in terms of education, the same couples typically still have the men contributing more financially. The women still "married up". I don't think this trend will be as disastrous as it it might feel. Hopefully it triggers further breakdown of gender norms. But it could be bad too, there's no certainty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/25 05:44 PM |
| 4 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.I'm not y'all. Topics get repeated OFTEN here. Sometimes people add something a little new to the analysis or solution, sometimes not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 08:26 PM |
| 1 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.This doesn't make any sense Women are confused why men care so much about our financial status and bodies? And men shouldn't listen to that?? No. I'm saying a lot of men here stereotype women by saying they mostly care about resources and some superficial features. But there's many women and content by women that further that stereotype. The same way you implied women could be obsessive about their looks because of they way men talk about women. "Women are insecure about looks because MEN are sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 11:30 AM |
| 3 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.Men get pissed when women don't give a fuck about them "going their own way"? I think you mean that they might have negative thoughts about women after decentering them, but women certainly also have negative shit to say about men after leaving them behind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 10:57 AM |
| -1 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.Men: lol we literally don't care about anything about women other than being hot and young You: Women have been conditioned to think their looks are all that matters, and so they don't work on their personalities or inner qualities. thought I should say that this framing could work the other way around for men too. Women confused as to why men care so much about their financial status, certain physique, etc. while there being so much content about those very things. You might say men shouldn't l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 10:43 AM |
| 1 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.This is a pretty weird place to avoid interaction with men you find annoying | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 10:16 AM |
| 11 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.Why do people resort to this lame ass response? Is it a trendy debate tactic or something? We're all wasting time here lol. This could be said about anything to anyone, including you and your comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 10:05 AM |
| 0 | If most women who claim to be afraid of the potential threat men pose to their lives were sincere, they wouldn’t feel emboldened to mock, berate, or taunt men online, especially men who express sentiment from a socially/romantically unsuccessful perspectiveIDK, many people taunted Hitler and he did what he did anyway. I don't think racial segregation ended because MLK had some sick memes against his oppressors. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but further to the right men also use this tactic of mockery to great effect. So what's the battle here? Just who can humiliate the other better? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 03:27 AM |
| 0 | If most women who claim to be afraid of the potential threat men pose to their lives were sincere, they wouldn’t feel emboldened to mock, berate, or taunt men online, especially men who express sentiment from a socially/romantically unsuccessful perspectiveYeah, women have never been pissed at anything that wasn't a big deal online. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/25 03:19 AM |
| 1 | Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know it👍. Just for my curiosity, what is your purpose for this kind of engagement? And is your original advice something you give to women when engaging with sexist men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/25 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know itDepends. You describing these conversations as just not wanting people to complain doesn't really change if it's a solicited debate or not. If red pillers are spouting sexist shit then whether I want that to influence people doesn't depend if they asked for a duel or not. That doesn't really make your advice better. Because if the conversation is toxic why would it being a debate change anything? So there's no end goal for you here? You don't want to change people's mind here at all? If so then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Women’s reliance on passive dating is self-sabotage and they know itIs this you ignoring your own advice? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 06:53 PM |
| 1 | You can fall in love with someone because of only their personalityYeah that's definitely at the heart of it. But what I think makes it so much worse is when we teach people that their preferences are requirements and everything is set in stone in terms of what kind partners they like. The girl I fell for was quite different from me too. I'm an artsy serious introvert and she way more extroverted and oddly dorky for being an in-group person. The gender war also makes you look at each other with such a cynical lense that it's hard to trust someone you're not get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 06:36 PM |
| 1 | The common misconception among women. We need to get over it as soon as possible to avoid unnecessary repeated arguments.It's not about your experience. It's about how you're using your experience to generalize about men who are deemed unattractive, so I'm guessing conventionally unattractive. You're projecting what I mean by treating people like shit. I'm simply pointing to the mean girl attitude some women have towards men who aren't their wet dream fantasy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 06:27 PM |
| 1 | You can fall in love with someone because of only their personalityWhat I'm saying is your view of this so stretched out to the point of being needlessly skeptical and frankly, boring. In your eyes, if guy A only cares about looks he's shallow. If guy B cares a little about looks but more about chemistry he's shallow. If guy C only cares about personality but after he falls in love with a girl he sees her as the most beautiful girl in the world then he's also shallow. Do you see how overly reductive this is? And it makes people act more like guy A if they assum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 06:20 PM |
| 1 | The common misconception among women. We need to get over it as soon as possible to avoid unnecessary repeated arguments.You're experience doesn't make it not a generalization. I can put forth an anecdote about women I've seen and then have men agree with it, which happens all the time. That's not a good excuse to treat women who aren't supermodel trad wives like shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 06:07 PM |
| 1 | The common misconception among women. We need to get over it as soon as possible to avoid unnecessary repeated arguments.Even if true, I feel like there's a societal component there to take blame but I guess that's a different discussion. This rhetoric just bums me out. Most "ugly" men are invisible to women. Now they have to deal with the generalizations that they're bad and toxic partners. How are they supposed to not feel like fucking monsters. Men used to be pretty mean to fat girls, maybe they still are, but I don't think they had the nerve to mold them into stereotypes to justify their own shallow preference… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 04:12 PM |
| 1 | You can fall in love with someone because of only their personalityWhat is it exactly that you're refuting from OP? If someone falls for someone's personality you're claim is that they were always attracted to their looks even if they didn't know it? Even if you think it's rare, it also gets less rare when people like OP get drilled with all this date shit and then begin to look for love in much more shallow ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 04:03 PM |
| 1 | You can fall in love with someone because of only their personalityYeah that's why I have come to really hate conversations like these. Love can be a very beautiful thing but it's wrapped around all this other bullshit. I had an experience similar to yours. There was a girl I worked with who I had ZERO interest in. In fact, I was smitten with a couple of other girls. This girl was at the very bottom of my list. About 5 months later, I couldn't stop thinking about her. A crush exploded into love. Sadly it was a complicated relationship that turned out in unrequi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 03:49 PM |
| 1 | The common misconception among women. We need to get over it as soon as possible to avoid unnecessary repeated arguments.Is that really what you're taking issue with? You said ugly, and I used repulsive meaning someone you're physically repulsed by or someone you see as "ugly". You generalized about attractive people being better in relationships. So either your view of attractiveness is personal and so doesn't mean anything, or we're going by general attractiveness and you're saying "ugly nice guys" are more manipulative. If taken to heart, women would see men they find unattractive and instantly see them as cree… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 03:18 PM |
| 0 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?Someone accused women of dating purely for resources and you said relationships are for individual benefit. You're not asking me to think critically you're asking me to be charitable towards your bad argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 04:59 AM |
| 1 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?Well I think that's kind of the point right? I'm sure some women don't mind shorter men but the majority do. I think the claim of women giving short guys a chance should be given the context that the women are still gonna have to be shorter... For most cases. So when guys are at 5'5" or lower, dating gets significantly brutal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Why are men so much harsher on weight than women?Sincere question, do you know if by weight preference they mean their fantasy ideal is non fat, or if as a relationship REQUIREMENT they have to be non fat? Also aren't women harsher on height? At least women have the chance of escaping obesity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 11:46 PM |
| 1 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?Did most of them marry to women taller than them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 11:30 PM |
| 0 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?I'll take your word but I can let you know why men might have their doubts. Rhetorically people are pretty bad at conveying what they actually mean. When women talk about liking tall guys or whatever it's difficult to parse if they are talking about requirements or ideal (fantasy) preferences. And given there's plenty of women saying they wouldn't date a shorter guy (I suspect majority even if barely) AND given the fact that women's IDEAL preferences are still pretty uniform, it can be hard to n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 11:26 PM |
| 2 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?Wasn't that research retracted? Also I remember the original paper still having a low chance of men leaving even if men were more likely to leave. So even if true, most men don't just abandon their wives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 11:08 PM |
| 2 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?I don't think that's exactly true. Relationships aren't just pure selfish enjoyment or charity. A relationship purely for your benefit is loving yourself. Taking a relationship seriously enough is to love another person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 11:03 PM |
| 6 | What do men mean when they say they love deeper than women?Totally agree. I don't necessarily blame women for not seeing the full picture because most of us just go with the flow, but if dating norms expect men to chase then it kinda makes sense that they would pour their hearts out. In my culture and background, while definitely still has problems with sexism, men are far more romantic than the women. So if men are the ones initiating dates, buying flowers, and making you feel beautiful then at the surface it always looks like men are the ones "loving … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 10:58 PM |
| 1 | The common misconception among women. We need to get over it as soon as possible to avoid unnecessary repeated arguments.I don't know if he said give a chance to someone who you find repulsive. To get this straight, the men you specifically find attractive are likely not to be assholes, and the ones you specifically don't find attractive are likely to be assholes? How is this not fear mongering as well? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/25 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Has anyone else found that Right Wing Man/Left Wing Woman pairings seem more common than the reverse?Is that true!? I tried a quick search but I couldn't find the numbers. Either a lot is changing culturally in Mexico or maybe I never really had a good read of the country. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/25 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Are you okay being the man she settled for? Does is matter if you disgust her?I don't understand how you're jumping to men wanting women who don't want them. If a woman says that most men cheat but is still trying to find a man to date I don't think that means she wants a boyfriend who will cheat on her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/25 11:23 PM |
| -5 | What responsibility should men and women have respectively?It's pretty baked into the culture and media. Although a lot of women don't outright say they want protection, the asks to either walk someone to their car or having to speak up for your girl in confrontations and similar stuff like that doesn't exactly help men ease away from thinking they have to be ready to protect. Even with the spider thing, YOU had to do it. This changes drastically in certain areas. We also forget there's different backgrounds men come from. I think women using makeup is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/25 04:43 AM |
| 1 | Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonableYeah maybe we don't disagree. But a struggling small restaurant owner has an incredible work ethic that might even be more "driven" than those higher up the economic ladder. And if that's not enough for someone because they prefer a nicer home or luxurious stability, then work ethic seems to be far less important than simply having the money and status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 07:07 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Rejecting men because they doesn't earn enough is not "shallow"If two guys, exactly the same (clones), walked up to you and #1 said, "I think you're beautiful. Would you like to have dinner some time?" And #2 said , "Hey can I see your bank account to see if you can afford my tastes?" Then which one would you prefer. Appearance can be shallow. But it could also be appreciated in a level of loving to make someone laugh because you love their smile. Someone's appearance or gestures or voice can grab at you in a way that's quite vague but impactful. Money is q… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 06:05 AM |
| 1 | Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonableI guess this is what separates the few dying romantics from everyone else. One, I'm not sure why you equated work ethic with class. Maybe I just never realized it until now, but maybe everyone in this sub sees people in lower economic classes as less driven and lazier? Two, there's not much I disagree with other than it seems like such a weird metric. If you're looking for someone you bond with, someone you can make life exciting with, someone you can love enough to die for, idk why economic sta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 05:34 AM |
| 0 | Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonableBut it kinda works the other way around women too no? Like so many times have women in my life depended on a guy (boyfriends or dads) to fix something with the car, house, deal with bugs or more serious threats. I think charm matters here, but for a lot of women I knew that didn't drive, they weren't really as criticized for it as men. I'm sure we might agree gender norms suck but some women's inability to deal with those "man" things are not a negative in attraction or in relationships really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonableYeah these conversations frustrate me. A lot of women also don't know how to upkeep their cars. Many times guys have fixed something for the girls or daughters around the house. Bugs and suspicious visitors are dealt with by men usually. Everyone isn't going to be good at everything, and gender norms are going to be that main cause of that... Or as a red piller I don't know if you put it down solely on biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 05:18 AM |
| – | Part 1 : Blue pill gaslightWait, in turn, does that mean 35% of men are in non profit? How is that men not caring? Also women helping in general issues were men also happen to be victims is not women caring about men's issues. BUT even if there are women lead organizations that primarily help men, how does that in turn get women in general off the hook for not being interested in men's issues? More male police , firefighters and paramedics don't seem to be significant enough to wash away the label of "danger" men have aro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/25 06:25 AM |
| 3 | Q 4 BPers: Do women generally struggle with dating today?I've met amazing women who just can't find partners too, it's not so simple. We have a chicken vs egg situation here. I'm not sure men were hyper focused on gender rituals in dating before or after their experiences in dating, I'm assuming it might not be the same for everyone. I honestly can't remember what was going through my head in highschool when on those innocent, butterflies in stomach kind of dates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 11:48 PM |
| 1 | Your view of men who typically have low preferences in women?Yes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 11:22 PM |
| 1 | Your view of men who typically have low preferences in women?It wouldn't be cheating, because she would tell him that value and if he was okay with it then whatever. Just like he would say he would like a more chill/quiet GF and she could go out with him or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 01:07 PM |
| 1 | Your view of men who typically have low preferences in women?I meant that you seemed to take great issue with what OP said. You called it offensive. But it's just his preference, like women say. So why get offended? He didn't say women should be that way and in his story the woman asked him about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 01:03 PM |
| 1 | Your view of men who typically have low preferences in women?The comment I replied to didn't just seem to be surprised, they seemed upset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 10:39 AM |
| -2 | Your view of men who typically have low preferences in women?Why do values matter if he doesn't care? Why are the things he looks for in a relationship bad? So much talk in this space is about shaming women for their preferences, why should we shame his? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 06:55 AM |
| -1 | Your view of men who typically have low preferences in women?I thought we weren't supposed to shame people's preferences no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 06:49 AM |
| 9 | Q 4 BPers: Do women generally struggle with dating today?I have always agreed with this line of thinking, HOWEVER, I don't know how true it actually is. Is there some way we're reaching this cultural "truth" that men are just terrible at relationships. How terrible are men actually that women are struggling despite so many options? I think the biggest reason is because of underlying cultural gender norms. Traditionally if a man has to be the one to start engagement, impress you enough to want a relationship and impress you enough to stay then that lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/25 06:44 AM |
| 3 | LGBTQ, Feminist, and Body Positivity movements should be men's greatest allies.You mean feminism will be dismantled from the backlash? Maybe, but I doubt it. But it's a little dangerous to hope for that cuz we don't know how that'll actually turn out. It could just make gender war stuff worse. We just need a really fucking cool icon to step up to the plate on this, or a few. Maybe a couple celebrities and activists who talk about men's issues and don't take shit from women and feminists without betraying the ideals of equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/25 04:10 AM |
| 1 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.I disagree with OP's tone, cuz not all women are the way he portrays anyway, but he said this: " Rather than wasting their time on women who just want providers and a walking atm, men should learn to enjoy being single and leave women alone." So when you're response is it doesn't change anything because those men aren't desirable to women anyway, it doesn't add anything because he's not advocating for women to change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 05:33 PM |
| 2 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.20 years might be accurate in when people noticed these problems not when they started having conversations and deeper analysis like we are having now. If those men aren't being picked then even more reason for them to decenter women (romantically ) and find something else fulfilling. There's women who do this without being femcels or derelicts, guys should just adopt the "you don't need no man" girlboss attitude. You seem to want to make sure men feel bad about being single. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 11:23 AM |
| 2 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Yeah people don't have to put so much thought into these kinds of things. Like, reddit weirdos who come to judge those other weirdos online lol..... Oh wait 😟 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 10:52 AM |
| 2 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.I don't think this has been given enough time as an idea to say it failed already. Something I hate when men's issues are brought up is how supposedly men don't really care because men haven't been starting huge groups to completely solve the problem already. Feminism took some work and still has it's problems, we shouldn't just give up on the idea of men finding fulfillment in themselves because they haven't magically cured their problems yet | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 10:35 AM |
| 7 | LGBTQ, Feminist, and Body Positivity movements should be men's greatest allies.I agree with you except for the man woman spaces thing, I don't think that's important. But I do get frustrated as a leftist because I assumed the people who would discourage standards put on men would be feminists. But not only do they not want to date those guys, they don't want to hear men's struggles outside the context of romantic relationships. "It's not up to women to help. Men should help men." Inclusive my ass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 12:19 AM |
| 1 | LGBTQ, Feminist, and Body Positivity movements should be men's greatest allies.That's not exactly true. What people consider attractive has changed a lot through the history. My favorite example is female body hair. It's literally an evolutionary trait to signal men to want to mate with them, yet now men can get easily disgusted by said trait. Advertisement and propaganda work dude | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 12:11 AM |
| 27 | The idea that men are intimidated by successful women is mostly a myth.Two things about the first two studies: 1 was done by grouping men who said they were fine with more intelligent women, then having them interact and guess by body language if they matched or not. Having a control group hit it off more is significant but we can see why this study isn't definitive proof. 2 insecurity wasn't determined by self report or by following up with the couples relationships. It was done by word associations. They guessed how insecure men felt by word tests, after they wer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 11:57 PM |
| 0 | CMV: CMV: Alot of men/women overcomplicate the shit out of livingI agree that a more stoic reaction to this stuff is better. But it's difficult for people to just shake off the programming. You should count yourself lucky for the attitude you have but you should think deeply as to why exactly it takes others their entire youth to figure that out. Also you sort of answered why it happens to be more men complaining. They're the ones asking, approaching, impressing. That's a small part of the exchange but it's still significant. Maybe gen z is a little different… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/25 03:58 AM |
| 6 | Why Don’t Women Defend Men Like Men Defend Women?This is insanely untrue. If we're talking rhetoric, plenty of liberal men have backed women up, and many identify as feminists. Boyfriends are usually the ones who have to speak up for their girl if they're disrespected. "Axe murderer knocking at the door, don't worry honey I'll get it." If we're accepting anecdotes, I've defended my female friends from awful shit being said about them, and have chastised my male friends when they've shown me explicit pictures of girls on their phones who didn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/25 10:52 PM |
| 3 | Its not women’s problem that men have low standards out of desperation.Humans evolved to be attracted to body hair like underarm hair, yet social changes have made it so most men feel repulsed at women with unshaven pits and legs. It matters a bit if media and corporations are affecting our appreciation of one another based on what they want to sell. Might be a little out of scope of this subreddit but just saying it's people's preferences feels quite lazy of an analysis. And I'm not advocating we shame people out of preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/25 10:26 PM |
| 0 | Men should decenter women tooIf there's not societal problem to this then I don't know why you or women would spend anytime on it, or maybe just for kicks. If you're scared of some kind of backlash IDK how calling people losers and then being weirded out that they're upset is a pragmatic strategy. You said yourself these losers aren't close at all to the majority, and I doubt the majority of the losers are sexist red pillers. It's true that the relationship end goal shouldn't be the metric, as many not in a relationship are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 10:36 PM |
| 0 | Men should decenter women tooWe can work on many problems at once. "Like I would say, in a perfect society, we should never let children go hungry or decline healthcare to sick people, yet I acknowledge that's probably never going to happen." So then what, do nothing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 05:57 AM |
| -1 | Society Was Better off When Female Preferences/attraction triggers Were Kept in the DarkSo no trying to widen perception of beauty through media, no public conscience of discrimination of something as shallow as skin color, just "fuck em"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 12:01 AM |
| -3 | Society Was Better off When Female Preferences/attraction triggers Were Kept in the DarkYeah fair enough. I'm just asking if you see anything wrong with that scenario or if you would advocate for any change in that world. The trait not dying out wasn't really the issue I was trying to put forward my apologies for confusing you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 11:51 PM |
| -4 | Society Was Better off When Female Preferences/attraction triggers Were Kept in the DarkAww man why'd id even bother with the last line lol. Could you tell me what you would advocate for if anything in the following scenario : Men no longer want to date dark skin women. Dark skin women are romantically lonely and they feel ugly, some of them lonely. Some women are sympathetic, some are not. They are told "too bad, you can't make men like you." Is there ANY problem you find in that world? If you're okay with at least half of the population ignoring them and then dying out then I gue… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 11:07 PM |
| 5 | The Male Loneliness EpidemicPeople can be romantically lonely, if you believe in monogamy then this should be apparent because sex and love is a special act with a special someone, so sex workers can't fix that unless you want people to uncouple those feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 11:01 PM |
| 6 | The Male Loneliness EpidemicWhy would you believe in monogamy if sex isn't about affection, or a a very special type of affection? If sex isn't about romance would you date an ugly person for romance but fuck around for sex? Isn't monogamy very selfish and outdated then? If women are as lonely as men, then this makes their standards seem even crazier. Because height and money don't situate affection, yet women very much require it in a partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 10:47 PM |
| -1 | Society Was Better off When Female Preferences/attraction triggers Were Kept in the DarkBut what if social norms are what keep ugly billy from getting some, and it doesn't take much to change those social norms but Pretty Sandra is so pretty and influential that people listen to her and mimic her shallow wants and needs in men and society sees ugly billy as a loser? Then I'm not sure women can wipe their hands clean for upholding certain views that narrow people's appreciation for other people. If for some reason men no longer wanted to date dark skinned girls, and giggled when com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 10:38 PM |
| 3 | The Male Loneliness EpidemicThis is brilliantly put! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 10:15 PM |
| 6 | The Male Loneliness EpidemicGreat input. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 10:08 PM |
| 7 | The Male Loneliness EpidemicIf this is the case do you not believe in monogamous relationships? As sex is, I think in your view, not about romance or affection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 10:07 PM |
| 5 | Introvert neurodivergent girls date introvert neurodivergent guys. There is a difference between introvert, neurodivergent, anti-social, and creepy.It doesn't matter what scenario you put forward, a comic con, party, book club or whatever, men are still doing far more of the asking. Again, there's a decent amount of women who do as well. Ah so that answers my question. Women see introvert guys as losers who do nothing all day and so wouldn't approach them. That's a little sad because I think men and women can be interesting even if they don't radiate confidence. Just so you know introverts and shy people engage in those activities too, just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Introvert neurodivergent girls date introvert neurodivergent guys. There is a difference between introvert, neurodivergent, anti-social, and creepy.It's still nowhere near the rate men approach, but women do ask more than redpill makes it seem. Although even when women ask it's quite rare for them to take the lead after. This is more anecdotal, but for some reason I find extrovert women with introvert men relationships less common, which I thought would be the opposite as time went on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 04:25 PM |
| 0 | Telling women to be traditional is wrong, you can’t control someone else’s actions, only your own.I agree with you. But then why do women make a big deal of height and physical performance in men, or hypothetical reactions about what your man would do in an attack. Of course not all women, but many and possibly the majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 02:34 PM |
| – | Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides.Just like you commented, I think EVERYONE loves selfishly. Well, not everyone, but most. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/25 08:18 AM |
| 2 | How would dating change if sex wasnt regulated by society and the current shaming of sex was gone?This is kinda true, but maybe that wanting of a romantic connection was also influenced by society. In our most primitive stages humans were like hippies, everyone just fucked like crazy. The same way porn seems to have negative affects depending if you think it's unhealthy or not, casual hookups could mean more if we changed our perception of it, like thinking of hooking up with a stranger as some exercise of affection with our fellow humans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 09:19 PM |
| 2 | What would your response to be to your date/partner opening up to you ?Wait so in total you think 100% of men are assholes or wish they could be assholes. You also think MOST men would tell you it wasn't a big deal if someone tried to rape you? I get men can be monstrous, and you've been quite unlucky if you faced this many assholes and I feel for you, but your assessment of men here is insanely off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/25 10:35 PM |
| 3 | What would your response to be to your date/partner opening up to you ?I'm sure the asshole you're describing exists, I doubt there's so many of them that you have to be paranoid whether or not you wanna extend sympathy towards men in general when they cry. I also don't think many men are trying to con women that way. Most men are terrified of showing that level of emotion early on because they feel (and women here have agreed) that there won't be a relationship after. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/25 10:18 PM |
| 4 | What would your response to be to your date/partner opening up to you ?If my dog dies can I cry in front of you? Or is that too much of a whiny bitch ass pussy thing to do in front of a stone cold badass person like yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/25 09:58 PM |
| – | The concept of emasculation to me, feels like something born out of ordinary insecurity, swirled together with the sexist need to feel superior to women and men.I don't really care enough to make a big deal about it, but there's still something a little off in my opinion. If the girl is attacked, a man should help but the same isn't expected of women despite that they are perfectly able to help. This of course depends A LOT on certain situations, like if the woman is OVERLY small, or there's several attackers. But men don't really get that benefit either when the attacker is three times the size of him, hell I think most men would want their girl to run… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/25 02:27 PM |
| – | Do you think it's xenophobic for a man to not want to date a woman from a different country?It can be. For most I imagine that foreigners might not fit their "type". It's a little xenophobic to assume all people from other countries abide 100% by their culture and couldn't mix well with yours. Usually this claim is a disguise for people who just think foreigners are ugly. But I think a more interesting question is WHY people have those kind of deal breakers, especially for race. There have been studies showing black women as the least preferred among men, and Asian men the least prefer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/25 12:24 PM |
| – | The concept of emasculation to me, feels like something born out of ordinary insecurity, swirled together with the sexist need to feel superior to women and men.Just a little confused on your point about the "fighting". If you meant arguments, why does men being physically stronger matter here? Why would men being physically stronger have to do whether or not they take the lead against someone disrespecting you? Even if it's true that women, biologically, desire a strong man to protect them, is that still an excuse to continue to put that pressure on men to be women's security? If a man gets hurt in that altercation why is that better than if a woman go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/25 08:49 AM |
| 2 | My friends GF broke up with him because he only has a part time jobYeah I'm also not judging the girl. Without knowing either of them I'm not really judging the guy either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/25 06:01 PM |
| 6 | My friends GF broke up with him because he only has a part time jobPretty normal yeah. I think he is wrong for calling her shallow. Idk if it's necessary for him to do anything about his situation if he's happy. Idk if he could have other amazing qualities as well. The only thing that bothers me a little is that I've known a few couples with the woman only working part-time or just doing housework, with no baby in the picture. No one, including me, seem to judge those women in any negative way. But with guys they're always seen as losers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/25 04:49 PM |
| 0 | Unless its family, youre not getting unconditional love.What if those guys are ONLY attracted to women "outside their league". We can't force either gender to date better no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/25 07:20 PM |
| – | Sex is a need.Needs are always in the context of wants. Just take your time, sweetheart. You don't have to respond right away | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:19 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.Why is it a need to live? What if someone wants to die? Then it's the opposite no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:11 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.Is food and water a need? Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:03 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.There's not a lot a common person can do about these things. But better analysis and empathy is a good place for anyone to start. You can inform yourself about astroids hitting earth, but you probably aren't going to be the one stopping them or failing to stopping them. So it's up to you if the hopeless endeavor is interesting enough for you. Materialistic culture, gender roles and divisions, these are things that can only be moved by some MAJOR force, like economic utopia or Taylor Swift. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:01 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.Also don't say "Having someone say “yeah, that sucks, but what can ya do” has only gained vitriol and hate" when that has NEVER been the primary response when hearing about these problems. If you don't think there's any point in discussing it then I also don't know what you're doing here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 06:44 AM |
| 1 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?Ariana grande and almost any Asian celebrities like kpop idols have more petite bodies. More exaggerated bodies like Cardi b are also seen as sexy. You can check the most popular pornstars and they'll be very different from one another. Some people like big boobs, and some like smaller. It's not JUST romanticizing feminine personalities, but romanticizing all personalities in women that allow them to be their own shade of those colors. Unless you're the type that thinks a feminine personality in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 09:18 AM |
| 1 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?Body hair yes, more rigid. Body positivity has done wonders in appreciating different body types for women however not much for men. Feminine personalities and girl boss are personalities romanticized in women and that allows for more fluid personality, which is why I tend to find women a little more interesting than the men who have a narrow form of masculinity to be praised in. The expectations on both men and women suck, but it's not just men making the choice for things to stay this way. I t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 09:01 AM |
| 2 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?Men can't just show up an unshaven mess, although I'm sure some do. Most of the "pretending" from men comes in holding up to masculine stereotypes. Being confident and manly, when some men might have more of a feminine personality. Luckily these things aren't super rigid though, again to my point that maybe we should be more understanding and look for people more understanding then just flipping the bird to a whole gender or romantic practice altogether | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 01:21 AM |
| 1 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?"I'm sorry but is society holding a gun to men’s heads forcing them to ask women out first or...? just simply don't do it." Men don't have to quit dating lol. They can just try to look for women who share their view of this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 12:17 PM |
| 1 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?You could just not go on the date. Guys also have to pretend, so with two pretenders sitting at a table... Who picks up the check? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 12:03 PM |
| 1 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?Standards are for narcissists 😎 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 11:59 AM |
| 3 | For women that treat dating transactionally, do you think you are partially responsible for the commodification of sex and dating?Definitely not a outlier. In my experience and everyone around me, most fwb relationships were men providing the dates, the rides, if gifts were exchanged it was the women receiving. I'm sure there's plenty the other way around, but not 50/50 and definitely not the majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 11:47 AM |
| 1 | Married men live longer, and so do married women (Although the benefit is larger for men than women). However, the argument that marriage benefits men more than women falls flat, when healthier and wealthier men are simply more likely to be married.I think I can explain his point with the example used. A study says women tend to leave men when they lose their jobs, we charitably say maybe it has to do with knock on effect, like depression or emotional outbursts, rather than women just ditching men when they're at a low point. A study says men leave women when they become ill, well the narrative then is that men are pretty unreliable. But we could have been charitable and said maybe that that older and traditional couples had men who weren'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 11:15 AM |
| 3 | Lonely people don't need to be told how to improve, they need to be told to talk to the people they're attracted to. Now.Isn't this advice taken collectively by men the very same thing women were shouting in frustration about. If the amount of men hitting on you goes way up, is that something women really want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 02:08 AM |
| -1 | at which point misandry starts?Before we go into any of that, I just want to get your position clear. Because the OP asked at what point would you call something misandry and you only commented about your sympathies to potential victims. What would your definition here be? As long as a women has experienced something negative from men or just observed negativity from men, than it's no longer misandry? Or it is but you think it's too sympathetic to judge someone over? Couldn't this apply to almost everyone with bad ideas? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/25 02:21 PM |
| 1 | at which point misandry starts?What about the others? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/25 01:03 PM |
| – | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.I would love for you to show me where I implied force, coercion, pressure or begging to be solutions. What are these quotes you're throwing at me? Men and women uphold very masculine standards for men. Any examples I give like people not knowing how to comfort men crying or in emotional pain, how therapy isn't as helpful as it is for women, how certain actions or exchanges can be emasculating, require an interest in helping men and we should urge society to help as much as possible rather than h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/25 06:51 AM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.Why do ask me to respond and then run away? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/25 03:43 AM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.I already did before. You think men just want to fuck girls. I said you're overgeneralizing giving how many men don't even have a single close relationship. You think men are collectively asking for women to single handedly fix it they're not. The rhetoric you use of "Men just want sex" and "They should fix everything themselves" is harmful and stupid. And EVEN if I grant you men mostly just want sex, you're lazy ass analysis of it is useless for discussion. You should've read my response in ful… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 11:04 PM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.Again, just say you don't care. This is more of a debate space so no one's asking you to be a good person, but just admit you don't care, patronizing isn't caring. Men's problems don't have to be analogous to women's, it's just about empathizing with people .If we erase all of history, and a group of people experiencing problems was met with the attitude you have it would be obvious how cynical your reaction is. Your problem here is the penis, proven how you just lumped all men as all powerful. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 10:57 PM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.I didn't change goalposts. I'm simply stating that in your mind, men are asking for women to do something specifically which you don't know what (because men aren't asking women for anything really), and you're reaction is dismissiveness. Just say you don't want to spend time thinking about men unless it's about chastising them. Women can help in the same way feminists asked men to help. By negating stereotypes, acknowledging their problems, reading and understanding men's stories, and policing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 09:41 PM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.The problem here is when someone says lonely men, I think your immediate perception is of an angry virgin misogynist. Maybe that's fair but I don't know what context here justifies that generalization. "A man" telling you that loneliness is just about sex is not an adequate reason to have this lazy of an analysis. Also, idk how many guys are just walking up to girls saying, "Help me I can't get laid." Conversations like these are mainly happening at broad levels, which again, you're reaction is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 10:13 AM |
| 2 | Guys here seem to want to berate women to choose better but then coddle undesirable men.There's so many things strung together here. I don't know the percentage of men who believe this stuff, but it must get lower and lower as you start to gather the different points that supposedly contradict each other. So one man might comment about how women nag, another man comments about how women are delicate flowers who need to be patronized to, and you take these two different statements and combine them into a thesis men are making. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 04:44 AM |
| 10 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.In the current situation, women responding, "Well that sucks, I wish you weren't lonely." Is definitely not the respond men get. I don't even know if it ever was. I think people who weren't getting laid or in relationships have always been seen as losers, women were able to break free from that one though. The conservative party and religious nuts have been working on dismantling abortion rights forever. Bad politics and corrupt power had more to do there than petty men with no game. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 04:38 AM |
| 4 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.You say it's fine if men express woe if that can't find a partner but you know that's not true. Traditionally speaking it can be rather emasculating thing to admit and people don't really know or can't really help. Or just like you showed, the first reaction to men's loneliness claims is skepticism. So men, express loneliness, "Ah they just want pussy!" Ok, men just want pussy. "Wow. You want state mandated girlfriends? " Or "Wow, why do women have to indulge you in that?" There's no winning her… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 04:23 AM |
| – | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Fuck, I think you're trolling me but I'm gonna try one more time. If I sell someone something, do you think it's okay for me to complain about the effect that that product has on a customer? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 06:51 PM |
| – | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Dude, The same one that I said Kim Kardashian would have. Ignore that part and just answer the Kim one instead. "Do you think Kim Kardashian would be right in expressing frustration that so many women are shallow and are buying useless products?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 06:07 PM |
| – | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.I might be misreading you, but it feels like you think Im advocating to make this stuff illegal. I'm not. Do you think Kim Kardashian would be flawless in expressing frustration that so many women are shallow and are buying useless products. Would the people who support her also have a logical right to their complaint? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 05:10 PM |
| – | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.I don't think you understood the point of the analogy, as I haven't even proposed a solution. Dying seems like too high of a bar for whether we should take something serious no? I'm just a little flabbergasted here. You're saying that ONLY a consumer can be blamed for an effect to society but not a seller? The dodging of responsibility here is to a level I thought only existed in red pillers. Btw it's not just men. Beauty influencers, pop stars, etc. also promote similar stuff are followed by wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 03:45 PM |
| 2 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.You included tobaccos influence because you knew that meant that in turn you get more smokers in society. I'm sure you don't think Andrew Tate and others are just a neutral force right? They probably inspire bad ideas right? You don't addiction to change perception. I don't know if you even want a safer world for women or if you just get off on feeling better than men because some of them act really bad. I want to build habits for people to be nicer to each other. Monkeys treat each other better… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 03:28 AM |
| 2 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.I'm okay with prostitution. I don't remember saying otherwise. You don't have to publicly do anything. If someone asks if you think something is harmful, and you say yes. Good job. Idk why you're imposing so many rules for yourself | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 03:14 AM |
| 2 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.But they had a choice to never try that first cigarette right? Why do you think they would try it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 02:56 AM |
| 2 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Why do people need to call out shit they think is harmful? Is that your question? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 02:54 AM |
| 0 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Then why did you bring up the thing about tobacco companies' influence? It's all the smokers' fault no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 02:35 AM |
| 2 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Porn, objectification of women, beauty standards. Porn and objectification by participating in the content. Beauty standards in pretty much the same way, but also by consuming content based on the beauty of someone. Pop culture and things like kpop are good examples I think. Acknowledge, IF you think these things are harmful, is simply saying women are also willing participants in this | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 01:47 AM |
| 0 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Did you assume that I think people died because of porn influence and/or addiction? I have no idea why you brought that up. If death is your only requirement if a problem should be taken seriously then we have nothing to talk about. Intent doesn't matter when we're talking about unhealthy behaviors. Most drunk drivers don't mean to kill people. With no I'll intentions, porn and objectification of women can have bad results. Just like the poor were targets for bad food, poor men or anti social me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 01:42 AM |
| 2 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Don't think he said they should focus their criticism on the women more but rather just to acknowledge their participation in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.That's cool to hear. I myself tend to have conflicting views on this. But how big is this group you're talking about? Even when I see really smart women I admire, the conversations tend to be that you're either OK with porn and whatever effects you is your fault, or porn and sex work have to be erased from humanity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.Men like fake women and real women. Don't think that matters much but thought I'd say. How can you judge men for choosing to watch these women, but not judge women for choosing male attention. Both can just walk away from that offer no? How can you possibly think that between advertisement, addictive product, and other social aspects, it's ONLY the consumer to blame? I mean it was a HUGE concerted effort to get people to stop smoking cigarettes. If I sold a drug that, for some reason, made peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/25 12:06 AM |
| 3 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.If men are the incentive, do you disagree with women who say that they dress well and use makeup mostly for other women not for men? Men flock to all sorts of women. I mean Asian women who have come to great popularity, (possibly for not cool reasons) and tend to be more petite and don't have much of a bust or waist compared to westerners. As someone not against porn and avid watcher, there's an incredibly diversity of women and they all reach huge popularity. I think the huge cosmetic leaps wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/25 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Substantial aspects of patriarchy are upheld by other / certain women. This is disproportionately tolerated by women as a whole, with blame often flipped back to men unreasonably.I hate the discourse of self control. Suddenly everyone has Buddhist like control over themselves and is free to judge the other. There's so much sexual imagery, from explicit to subliminal. Men would have to stop being on the Internet all together. The responsibility women have here is actually interesting, and nuanced. We have these types of conversations all the time with things like food, and how institutions like the FDA should do something about it. It's harder to do something like this wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/25 11:47 PM |
| 0 | Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You ThinkI don't think men staying in bad relationships is more common than women doing the same. Women do seek out validation too, it's just not in HAVING a partner, but being desired is much more to their appeal. Seeking validation in general can be destructive, and if women cater their personalities and appearance to women as much as women here say then I don't know why that's any less pathetic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/25 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Issues on which common agreement has been reached?Well we are pretty good at being predators. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 10:28 PM |
| 2 | Issues on which common agreement has been reached?Hell yeah. Fuck MGTOW! Fuck 4B! WHOOP WHOOP Let's all get along | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 10:24 PM |
| 4 | Issues on which common agreement has been reached?Wait why does that matter? Aren't men always told to ignore or not make a big deal out of things like 4B? If there's women spaces where I suspect people are shit talking men should I make a ruckus about it? I'm not too sure of this MGTOW thing, so if they're louder than what I know then that kind of changes things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 10:22 PM |
| 4 | Why do men crave romantic interest so much?I think men have similar reactions to things not including women. Men tend to have more violent reactions in general. But if I were to assume this is unique, it's probably desperation. A lot of men feel as if their worth has to be proven, and if you're single then there's a constant reminder of how you're not "worthy" until you do get one. I always thought that it was weird when women exclusively used the term "empowering" for wearing revealing clothes or for doing sex work. I know the feminist … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/24 10:47 PM |
| 5 | Seems like the women that men here actually want wont go 50/50 on dates.1% is a wild guess, probably based on nothing right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/24 09:13 PM |
| 9 | Q4W: Do you think it's sexist/misogynistic/problematic for a man to fully avoid and decenter women?I definitely don't think it's immoral or sexist, but somethings definitely off in society if that's the case. And just avoiding a group of people doesn't seem like a step forward for humanity. If we replaced women in this scenario with ethnic groups, or nationalities, I think we'd quickly see that this isn't a great thing to normalize. I find it depressing that we've CHOSEN to treat the other gender like they're aliens or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/24 03:10 AM |
| 2 | When it comes to fiction and knowing people, gooners are just as annoying as woke leftists.He responded to your shit response about women playing games rather than sexualizing. Maybe I should've directed my comment to that specifically but I don't see how you got lost along the way. You're running away again btw. I'll just let you go, I've never been good at catching chickens anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 08:42 PM |
| 1 | When it comes to fiction and knowing people, gooners are just as annoying as woke leftists.Come on, dude. It's really not worth responding if you're just gonna ignore the important stuff because of your insecurity to address it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 08:22 PM |
| 3 | When it comes to fiction and knowing people, gooners are just as annoying as woke leftists.Why do you keep hyper focusing on irrelevant examples. How is women participating in sexual content, by which I mean creating it, not participating in the culture you're complaining about? Insta models, sexual ASMR, horny pop stars like Cardi or Sabrina Carpenter, Kpop industry, make-up, erotic tv shows that glorify toxic relationships, constant selfies, party sluts, the constant compliments of hotness in the girls' girls era - is none of this part of sexualization? Are none of these supported b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 08:09 PM |
| 2 | When it comes to fiction and knowing people, gooners are just as annoying as woke leftists.Wtf... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 07:42 PM |
| 8 | When it comes to fiction and knowing people, gooners are just as annoying as woke leftists.Well let me put it like this: my worldview is that you can make anything work as long as you have the right support beams. If you're anti-abortion, fine, but then give people contraception and early sex education. Similarly, if we want to live in a VERY horny world, fine, but let's not shame the gooners, let's not shame the content creators. However if we do want more romance, more attention to our inner selves than we can't also have so much of entertainment and culture center around fucking, c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 07:15 PM |
| 15 | When it comes to fiction and knowing people, gooners are just as annoying as woke leftists.I don't know if this is in opposition to your point, but everything has become pornified. And we can talk about how men go after it but some stuff like ASMR, which I'm an avid listener of, has taken a HUGELY sexual route. Even when I find someone not leaning into their beauty or sexuality, I go to their patreon or own website and turns out their doing more porn ASMR. This is of course something you can apply now to everything. Women don't just play a part by creating the content, but also by eng… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Why are so many men in their 30s and 40s single, childless, and dissatisfied with their dating prospects?I don't think there's just one reason why people end up where they do. Mental illness is a big catalyst though, obviously, a huge correlation between that and men who end up alone. If men are taught to barrel through tough shit, and they experience trauma or severe mental illness, figuring which of those two is the real trigger is not as important as reminding people we should do something about both. I like your saying about responsibility about trauma, and pardon my ignorance, but don't people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 08:36 AM |
| 3 | There are too many paradoxes when it comes to how society expects men to act.Holy shit well said. I think I'm gonna copy and paste your arguments whenever I see people talking about biology. It's crazy how much I see both sides simplify human beings that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/24 08:25 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?Great comparison. Men's biggest and only problem is personal insults, you're right | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 03:22 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?"Misandry, as you describe it, doesn't have that systemic weight. So no, pointing out these realities isn’t "shitting on" men, it’s simply addressing facts without the insecurity of needing to twist them into victimhood. If men feel oppressed by the systems they created, maybe it’s time to start dismantling those systems instead of blaming women for it." I still don't understand why you need something to have a systemic weight for people to be victims of something. I didn't say you were "shittin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 12:40 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?Does something have to be systemic in order to exist or to have in impact? If one day we cure the system, would concern over cultural and social misogyny be something you roll your eyes at? Is this like how racism doesn't exist for white people? Men can also display misandry right? Court sentences, war, there's unequal access of medicine across the world for men. I don't know exactly know what parameters you need before shitting on a group of people is unacceptable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/24 11:50 PM |
| 1 | Ladies do you agree with this hot take?You did repeat yourself, just the second time was more pretentious. I agree with being more specific. But that's not what YOU did. Saying you want loyalty, is not anymore specific than saying you don't want somebody to cheat on you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/24 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Ladies do you agree with this hot take?Yeah that seems about right. But if RP is wrong, which is incredibly likely, and presumably you disagree with them, what would your personal take be then? Are men and women pretty bad at relationships but women eventually get better? Or women have less options as they get older and so they cheat less? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/24 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Ladies do you agree with this hot take?Sometimes I feel like this stuff can be very vague. If someone says they're an asshole does that give a higher probability of them being nicer than the average person? I can't think of many people who don't think they're nice. Whether someone thinks they're a "good guy" or not doesn't seem to be much of a prerequisite for anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/24 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Ladies do you agree with this hot take?The things you don't want men to do are kinda the same as the things they do do. You repeated yourself in the second and third paragraph. You value loyalty, so NOT cheating.Not lying. You value someone who regulates his emotions. So someone who DOESN'T fly off the handle, someone WHO DOESN'T act out irresponsible. Saying you prefer men by something they do versus something they DON'T do was a little weird. I get kinda frustrated how much people use their personal taglines rather than digging dee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/24 11:33 PM |
| 2 | Ladies do you agree with this hot take?At young ages the gap is very close, with some studies and surveys actually indicating young women do it more but men overlap them as years go on. Either way more options for both usually means more probability of infidelity | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/24 11:22 PM |
| 1 | Men are held to a higher/more rigid standard of masculinity than women are for femininity.The world is changing and we're not getting it back. So whatever lessons you think men need might be outdated or not helpful or just universal lessons that apply to everyone. I'm pretty sure men are still told the same things they were always told," Be responsible, be stoic and don't cry too much." Testosterone makes you hornier. So I doubt more testosterone would make men more disciplined about sex choices. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/24 02:00 PM |
| 4 | Its sad that most men allow themselves to be used as human ATMs by women.Well pussy doesn't just help with loneliness and intimacy, it also helps lessen the shame of not being a "successful" man. The way I'm sure women get a boost in confidence if they're seen as attractive or get dick, which is easier. When women say they're happier single that usually doesn't mean that they're sexless, so in a way, the comparison doesn't work. You're judging harshly somebody with a much higher libido, whom society makes hard to bond with and is viewed pathetically if they don't con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/24 01:05 PM |
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