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Furthermore much of the harmful anti-male rules in society are from conservative culture. It was feminists that excluded men from rape statistics and who built the policy of assuming men are inherently perpetrators when it comes to domestic violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 07:51 PM
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Going after institutional feminism is perfectly sensible. We just need to keep citing facts and what specifically feminists have done on systemic scales to harm men in order to educate people on the difference between women's rights and a misandrist ideology that claims to be just that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 07:44 PM
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How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:04 PM
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So 0.1 percent of men have bad impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:21 PM
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So only like 0.1 percent of men are under this definition as per statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:49 PM
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mad for a reason, and that reason is that various people didn’t invite you, hug you, pay for you, date for free, tell you to become attractive, tell you what to wear, tell you to shower, tell you to work out, feel bad for you, tell you to socialize, tell you where to work, tell what job to get, give you advice, agree with you, not expect you to provide, and tell you that you deserve and should have a relationship — like you wanted them to. Where did I say those words?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:34 AM
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You yourself used the words bitter, angry, resentful to describe your feelings I did. for people that didn’t support, agree, obey or sympathize with you, This part you made up. See the issue here?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:28 PM
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You misquoted most of it adding in your own negative twisting of the words. And once again you do the same. that most people have been positive and supportive, and that you are choosing to be bitter, angry and resentful of a minority of people who didn’t do or say what you wanted The claim was that most have been positive but there have been a significant number of negative comments following the same pattern of making up shit to vilify me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:35 PM
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Crime statistics only outline an incredibly small amount of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:22 PM
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Do you have anything to prove that men are like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:23 PM
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Why are men inherently the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:02 PM
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Because less than half of what you wrote is actually about me. The rest is your strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:00 PM
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How does this work?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:57 PM
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Except you haven't. You're arguing with a strawman. You do not get to decide what my words mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:47 PM
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And you've continued to twist my words and make shit up. And I didn't concede anything of that regard. I reminded you of the volume of comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:31 PM
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Like said. You had your chance to stop arguing against strawmen and you didn't. I'm done because nothing I can say will change the monster you've made up in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:58 PM
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That’s not what you did on Reddit That is exactly what I did. You were just complaining that people didn’t sympathize with you I was complaining that people were making shit up and twisting my words. Which is exactly what you're doing now. especially when you seek it in a combative, aggrieved, self centered and indignant way My post does nothing of the sort. That's YOUR bias. you, you did nothing wrong and everyone was uncaring and malicious, which you later walked back. Where? If you had given …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:27 PM
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That's irrelevant to how you and others acted. If somebody comes to you saying "hey, I feel lonely and I don't understand why nobody has wanted to date me and I don't understand why my social circle has been so dismissive of me when I ask for help" Your response should be to empathize and to try and understand their point of view. Then it would have taken all of five seconds to see "oh, this person is neurodivergent. And grew up in a community where they were heavily ostracized Perhaps they've h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:36 PM
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Shouldn't have to for y'all to not jump to me and others being shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:02 PM
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They were aware. Our neurodivergence was part of the reason we bonded.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:59 PM
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Certainly. But your entire argument hinges on me being personally flawed rather than being externally mistreated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:48 PM
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Ahh so you've found your lynchpin in my presumed character flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:28 PM
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You admitted that negative comment and reactions were a minority. There are four thousand six hundred comments on that post. By my estimate there's just under half that are negative. Your definition of “treated poorly” is debatable, based on your history You mean the history you have made up in your head? Expecting to get something just because everyone else does is entitlement Where did I say I expected anything? Your excuses were just that, excuses. Typical bootstraps mentality. Being autistic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:12 PM
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You said that people criticized you instead of agreeing with you wanting relationships/ I said I was treated poorly for wanting a relationship. You said your friends didn’t invite you to their sex parties. I said that three of them made plans to go to a sex club while the four of us were hanging out together. When I brought it up later they stated that they made those plans because one of the people was touch starved because they had been single for a few years. You do expect people to date you,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:55 PM
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According to your post/comment history, a minority of progressives/blue pill/other people shit on you Yup. didn’t help you, Refused to give the same help they gave others. didn’t feel sorry for you, Never asked them to, that's something you added. didn’t set you up, Even though they frequently did for others. didn’t invite you to their parties They did. That's something you added. didn’t date you, Never expected them to. That's something you added. didn’t give you advice you liked, "I don't care…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:58 AM
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But I've expressed none of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:36 PM
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I'm saying that the stigma is around lonely men. Because bluepillers like yourself will find reasons to claim that men who complain about being lonely are actually terrible misogynists despite clear evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:24 PM
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Because incels carry a heavy stigma on the internet in general, That's all you. Not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:56 PM
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Resent comes from being treated like I wasn't deserving of a relationship despite others having no reason to make that judgement. In the posts I described how they refused to help me in the same way they helped others. In the current op I talk about how people twisted my words to justify their already existing negative opinions of me that are purely formed on me being a lonely guy (which is exactly what you're doing) Most of the comments on the post were positive. But the numerous negative ones …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:56 PM
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Why not just read somebody's words as written and not demonize them from context you're adding?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:43 PM
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Sure. But where does that Include I wanted people to feel bad for me and help me get pussy, and I am angry and resentful that they didn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:33 PM
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That's not what you said. So you're lying then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:57 PM
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And again you're putting words where I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:56 PM
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Where did I say exactly what you're accusing me of saying? Please quote word for word or accept that you're lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:30 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:24 PM
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I'm sure they have a better basis. You'd have to ask them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:23 PM
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And In my experience. When you're already in therapy. Saying "go to therapy" when you express that you're sad that you're lonely and you're upset that you don't know why nobody likes you. That's dismissive. And nowhere did I say I was. That's all on you and your biases. At the end of the day, if the tone in your anonymous post What tone? This is a text post online.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:22 PM
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That is partially correct. But the extra stuff you were adding is not
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:19 PM
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The comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 08:12 AM
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No, they have a point. A lot of your criticism comes down to me not Including details that aren't really necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:59 AM
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like being suggested to go to therapy Have you never had somebody be neglectful of your emotions and tell you to go to therapy for expressing them? Because that's what happened. And like said. I never was toxic. That's the assumption others made. talking about how your gf is a benefit in mainly only practical Because I felt it redundant to wax on needlessly about how wonderful she is. Because it wasn't a post about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:58 AM
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I believe that's called a kafkatrap.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:50 AM
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I don't buy that humans are insatiable predators. Its not even biologically or evolutionarily correct. We do have predator traits but our ancestors foraged just as often for food.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:48 AM
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I did, right after sending them heart emojis.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:46 AM
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He said "science pilled" And frankly I agree with him. Its only logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:41 AM
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When did I say I had anything of the sort?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:40 AM
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But that's not "I wanted people to feel bad for you and help you get pussy, and I am angry and resentful that they didn’t? Are you sure your reading the right thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:48 AM
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Oh look. They've already removed it. Typical menslib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/24 12:06 AM
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Are you sure? Because I've written no such thing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:03 AM
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How am I tanking? I'm already happily in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:02 AM
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Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 09:36 PM
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Where? None of what's being said is relevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 08:03 PM
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This isn't what you said though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 08:02 PM
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Where? I've never seen such a thing. Just people in the wild like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:04 PM
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Yes. To describe the two tiered advice you were giving.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:03 PM
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And do those stats include men made to penetrate? As excluding them was part of her methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:40 PM
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You were the one telling me the caste system existed. As you were only giving advice certain men could use.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:39 PM
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Who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:38 PM
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Where? Because I didn't write anything like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:34 PM
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I used to seek out advice for dating and dealing with loneliness. The types of answers I got don't really change.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:34 PM
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Do you have a source for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:10 PM
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Your bad actors seem a lot more plentiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:10 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:09 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:31 AM
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When?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:29 AM
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Ok. I'm sorry your bloodline sucks. Maybe don't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:37 AM
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I'm sorry to say, but you're the pattern in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:42 AM
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Says you. I love the beautiful person she is. Sorry you've chosen such shitty men to be in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:31 AM
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Every picture is a different person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:30 AM
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Well yeah. But back then I was afraid I would be lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:28 AM
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Who said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:28 AM
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So your argument is that should just shut up and stop complaining about being abused and hurt? And in turn do nothing to stop the same thing happening to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 11:16 PM
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And how is this not bluepill?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:58 PM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:41 PM
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Yup. Its one big just world fallacy and they're too self absorbed to recognize it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/24 10:40 PM
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Well thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:34 PM
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I see it In the same vein as "be more attractive" as being wealthy enough to travel consistently is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:18 PM
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But that's not what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:05 PM
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So what makes this unnecessary?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:56 PM
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I was expected not to be. Since I was expected to be the one who paid for the dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:55 PM
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Yup. Because it still hurts how I was treated unfairly. It affected me for years and in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:54 PM
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This was when I was 21-25
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:52 PM
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So men who open up about their emotions are just whiners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:52 PM
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So why recommend it if it can't be used by anybody?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:45 PM
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How? What's misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:44 PM
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They were. A big part of my Initial post was how much it hurt me to constantly be treated like a raging entitled misogynist for the crime of wanting to be loved. It hindered me from being able to have relationships because I followed their advice of never approaching anybody or expressing interest and expecting my friends to introduce me to people or fulfill my needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:40 PM
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This unfortunately doesn't seem to be an opinion shared in bluepill spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:34 PM
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So again. You're inferring a bunch of negative emotions from me that don't actually exist. Thus doing pretty much exactly what the post is calling out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:32 PM
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And I had bills to pay. The women I dated at the time expected me to be a provider after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:30 PM
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Why? Are people not allowed to talk about how this kind of thing hurts them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:29 PM
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So how are you not doing exactly what my post highlights?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:29 PM
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Because it is not positive to point out if it will only result in getting hurt more? You're the only one saying that I'm getting hurt more. Because you are responding and taking anything quite emotionally, at least from what I can see. And that's what you believe. It isn't true though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:28 PM
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Because you recommended it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:24 PM
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Because I posted this as a debate for one. And for two. What's so bad about pointing out how and where somebody has been hurt?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:21 PM
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My therapist says otherwise. That it's healthy to think through and process old emotions and hurts
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:19 PM
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I can't link cause of the automod. Here's the text tho. was never "entitled" I just wanted the same love and relationships I saw others around me having. I was never sexualizing my friendships. I was tired of being a permanent fourth wheel to my polyamorous friends who would do shit like plan to go to sex clubs in front of me. While when I asked for help meeting people I was told to either "figure it out myself" or "go to therapy" I never hated women. I hated how I was held up to a ton of unfair…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:19 PM
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Ok. My plan is that I can't afford more than $150 What now? Teach me how to do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:16 PM
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So to clarify, your entire argument is essentially "why you mad bro?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:14 PM
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why you’re getting bothered is the issue. Because these people would rather make up lies about me than accept that I was in a loving and happy relationship because doing so goes against their world view that men who struggle with finding relationships are inherently bad misogynistic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:03 PM
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So why not both? Why not enjoy my relationship while also taking the time to point out the things that hurt me while I was lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:01 PM
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I dislike feminism because it's feminists like Mary koss who are to blame for male victims of rape not being measured in statistics. Because she doesn't believe it's possible for women to rape men. And she's the one who created the methodology most government entities use to measure the prevalence of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:00 PM
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All of those paid $40 an hour? That doesn't seem to be the standard where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:55 PM
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I reposted because the mods removed it for not having the correct tag
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:53 PM
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Oh. Hold on. Let me grab the original text and post it here. EDIT was never "entitled" I just wanted the same love and relationships I saw others around me having. I was never sexualizing my friendships. I was tired of being a permanent fourth wheel to my polyamorous friends who would do shit like plan to go to sex clubs in front of me. While when I asked for help meeting people I was told to either "figure it out myself" or "go to therapy" I never hated women. I hated how I was held up to a ton…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:52 PM
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Ok. What are the stats when including male victims? I'll give you a hint. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ Its right in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:46 PM
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Rape denial/apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:44 PM
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What about the initial post was trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:44 PM
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So again. Where are you not doing exactly what I'm calling out in this post and assuming a bunch of negative things about me to coincide with your world view that people who struggle must be terrible and deserve it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:43 PM

And you've told me elsewhere that you don't care about male rape victims. So your words are worth less to me than the shit in my cats litter box.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:40 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ Troll harder bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:39 PM
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No need for rape apologists here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:37 PM
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So blue pillers can't provide advice that the average man can use. Thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:37 PM
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Its that you don't care because you refuse to read. Ie, willful ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:36 PM
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Although you also don't come across as the nicest and most aware person ever. How is this not just proving my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:35 PM
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So then prove me wrong. One quote from the article. That's all you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:34 PM
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Mods kept removing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:33 PM
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I'm doing no such thing. I'm incredibly happy with my relationship. And we've been together for just over a year now. What about me being upset about being treated like I was entitled for being lonely says that she shouldn't be with me? Am I as a man not allowed to have feelings or emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:32 PM
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Random disagreement and trolls is one thing. Having an entire faction of people making up lies about me to justify their world view is another thing entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:30 PM
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I got dozens of thanks on the first post from people that were happy to see it finally being pointed out. So I think it's something that needs to be pointed out even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:29 PM
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I don't know how else to describe you not wanting to read things you disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:24 PM
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What makes you believe that they're not bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:24 PM
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Intentional illiteracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:22 PM
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The thing is. I never once did any such thing in my post. I can give you the original if you want. Its already locked and etc but automod won't let me include a link cause reasons. But as you would see I specifically stated that I didn't hate or blame or feel entitled to women. Yet the accusations of doing so still rolled in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:21 PM
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Willfull ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:20 PM
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To me it seems more than jealousy. You could be right to an extent. But I think there's more underlying vitriol towards "unworthy" men than other groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:19 PM
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Prove me wrong. Quote one line from the article.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:13 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ I'm sorry that you have challenges with your reading comprehension. But if you can't understand this then I'm afraid you don't have the capacity to engage properly in this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:10 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ Read.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:05 PM
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Thank you! Some good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:04 PM
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So the average man looking for a relationship should start looking at their workplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:03 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ Read.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:02 PM
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I literally gave you this you utter fuckwit. You need to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:00 PM
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I'm happily in a relationship. But we didn't meet through friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:57 PM
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Depends on which ones you read. Once you include men made to penetrate and some other variables the stats aren't nearly as skewed. There are still a number of skewed stats that show that men commit 99% of rape. These are incorrect and based on demonstrably false and biased data
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:56 PM
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And I've given you a paper where they are that you're too uneducated to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:52 PM
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It's kinda hard when the people making those stats don't believe men can be raped. They are counted under "made to penetrate" but you've ignored the research I've given you on that due to what I assume is general illiteracy and an inability to understand more academic articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:46 PM
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So your argument is that you don't believe you should care about or empathize with rape victims because you believe that nobody else does. Even though most people would in fact care about rape victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:37 PM
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Are you really asking why you should care about and empathize with rape victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:31 PM
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So you don't care about male victims of rape? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:30 PM
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So you don't care that male rape victims are under measured and systemically ignored? Sounds pretty sexist, Ngl.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:27 PM
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Oh I've had several. None ever ended in a relationship. What did was going out and trying to meet people with the intent of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:27 PM
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That doesn't mean they don't exist. But it does mean that you're willing to accept biased statistics that use methodologies that exclude male victims of rape to prove an ideological point about how bad you think men are. Which tells us moreso of your bias and misandry than anything it may say about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:25 PM
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Because the one who made the methodology doesn't believe men can be raped. I then gave you sources that included them and you dismissed them offhand as non credible. Even though the article I gave you is both peer reviewed and from a reliable source.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:21 PM
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And to that I'd argue that they don't target anybody. They just give advice. While blue pillers give out of touch advice that doesn't work for them. So they go to the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:14 PM
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Said the one who doesn't believe men can be raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:12 PM
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But most normal people (including women) would think it’s pretty abhorrent to minimise issues like male suicide/rape. Again. Tell that to any feminist forum. if you cared to, it’s easy find irl women who do activism work in both these areas (but I guess looking for that information won’t fit your narrative I could. I could also find you articles like this. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:12 PM
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So why are you acting bothered by choosing to perpetuate this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:00 PM
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Redpillers don't seem to have this issue. That's kind of my point. They have actionable real advice most men can use. Yours relies on underlying things like already being physically attractive or wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:59 PM
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So what were my alternatives? What social jobs were out there that paid the same and required no training or experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:54 PM
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Because you're still commenting and hanging out on my post. You're free to leave if you want to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:53 PM
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Ok. I've seen men being up things like suicide rates, job deaths, lack of systemic recognition of male victims of rape and abuse. All of which has been met with "men aren't entitled to women helping them because men in the past were shitty to women in the past" or "your problems don't matter because women have it worse" So why would any feminist woman who does this feel entitled to having those same men help them with their issues after putting so much energy into dismissing men's?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:52 PM
1

So where is the free training for well paying social jobs that any man can access?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:44 PM
1

Because that's what's expected when you make a post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:43 PM
0

I honestly don't care about success rate. I care about accessibility. If it's not something even broke ugly dudes can do to have a chance then it's not good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:43 PM
1

Because you're commenting on my post. Like bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:18 PM
3

You need to read the paper. The stats are in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:12 PM
1

Nobody is saying ‘men aren’t entitled to anything They are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:11 PM
3

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment Heres a big one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/ And another regarding how domestic violence hotlines and services fail men uniquely
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:11 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ Here you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:08 PM
1

Then why do you keep responding to my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:07 PM
1

Because it was either them or not paying my bills. Not everybody has the same privileges as you to be picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:06 PM
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To somebody who's denying that men can face hate or sexism. Or for that matter he victims of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:06 PM
2

And you do recognize that your official stats exclude male victims right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:05 PM
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I've already given you my opinion. Its the inverse golden rule. If men are entitled for wanting help with their issues because they're not entitled to anybody helping us. Then the same goes for everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:04 PM
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I have several more if you're interested in reading. I also have several regarding the same issue around domestic violence. And how feminist insistence in males being inherently perpetrators has caused systemic discrimination against male victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:02 PM
1

So approach women at social events? Remember. We're not talking about friend making advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:59 PM
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And I gave you the reasoning with credible evidence on why they're wrong. So again. Do you not think men can be raped? That's the only way your stats work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:59 PM
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And what's that? Where can i find this data?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:58 PM
1

Because I think misandry exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:57 PM
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Oh I'm aware. I want others to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:57 PM
1

And so if any man today wanted this they could join your group and you'd do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:56 PM
1

Said the sexist. Laughing at his bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:56 PM
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Ok. I'm not making that argument. You are. Now you answer me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:55 PM
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I had to make money to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:55 PM
2

What advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:54 PM
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So you don't believe men can be raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:41 PM
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Typical bigot response to deny that their brand of bigotry exists. Just like my racist uncle doesn't believe he's racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:40 PM
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What part of giving him your number was helping you? Did they talk you up? Introduce you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:39 PM
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searched, I couldn’t find an example of men being called entitled en masse for asking for help with reasonable things. Define "reasonable'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:38 PM
1

You've already admitted you're just a misandrist so I'll ignore this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:25 PM
1

So your friends didn't help you meet somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:24 PM
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So you're categorically excluding male victims from being recognized in statistics. And then using those statistics to make the argument that men are horrible because your stats show that they're only perpetrators and rarely victimized. But the only reason those statistics show that is because you're not recognizing male victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:23 PM
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Typical response of a bigot. You find sexism funny, I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:19 PM
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I knew other jobs existed. But the women around me would have shamed me for doing work that wasn't masculine enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:18 PM
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So yes. Men should cold approach. How best should they go about this? Or how can they learn to do it better and be more successful?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:18 PM
1

Said the bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:17 PM
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Because the stance of those "credible institutions" is On the issue of male victims of rape, Koss has written: "Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman." (Koss 1993 pp 206–207). Elsewhere, she has argued that it is impossible for a woman to rap…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:16 PM
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Who am I to judge. I'm just looking for what advice blue pillers have to offer
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:15 PM
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Typical bigot response to deny that their brand of bigotry exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:14 PM
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I've provided you a link with the stats. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ I'm sorry if you're illiterate on top of being delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:13 PM
1

So yes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:12 PM
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So you're just a misandrist who believes men should be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:11 PM
1

So you had the privilege of social norms not requiring you to make the first move and you expect men to have the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:11 PM
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So men looking to date women should approach them in public if they want to avoid online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:07 PM
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No. I was pressured since the women in my life expected me to live up to the male gender role of being a breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:07 PM
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So you don't have dating advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:06 PM
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Yes. Including male victims in the stats does disprove you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:05 PM
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Pretty much what I expected. Blue pill wants "unworthy" men to be alone
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:05 PM
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This doesn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:04 PM
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Even your argument about ‘men get called entitled for asking for help’ was BS, because you couldn’t back it up at all and had to change it to ‘well.. some men get directed to a feminist forum when they ask for help.’ I didn't back up anything. You're still free to go look at these places for examples of men being told they're entitled for bringing up their issues. So basically, you and OP are twisting the ‘nobody is entitled to sex’ to mean ‘nobody is entitled to anything’ so you can justify you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:04 PM
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What part is predatory? And rapists do. Unfortunately the methodology used by most government entities to measure the prevalence of rape are based on the work of feminist academic Mary P Koss. Who doesn't believe men can be raped by women. And thus men who were "made to penetrate" are often excluded. Skewing the stats on top of tons of societal bias When you include men who were victimized. The stats change quite a bit. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:44 PM
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Did you ask for phone numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:39 PM
1

How? What part of male sexuality is dangerous?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:38 PM
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https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/ Here's an article from like 13 years ago discussing this exact phenomenon. And suppose, in the depths of your Forever Alone misery, you make the mistake of asking why things are so unfair. Well, then Jezebel says you are “a lonely dickwad who believes in a perverse social/sexual contract that promises access to women’s bodies”. XOJane says you are “an adult baby” who will “go into a school or a gym or another space heavily popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:37 PM
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And what are options that are available to everybody? I'm asking because IMHO, most blue pill advice is some reiteration of "do x while attractive" And you're doing just that by only offering a solution that works for privileged people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:29 PM
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So underprivileged men should just accept that they're not good enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:26 PM
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I've met dozens of groups of people. Not once has any of them ever given me a woman's number or introduced me to anybody. Who's to say that my experience isn't the average?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:24 PM
1

So what about dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:07 PM
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Notice how you only mentioned making friends. I'm not looking for friend making advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:50 PM
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It stung. But she wasn't smart. I realized afterwards that if she was going to try to use me. I would do the same. We hooked up a few more times and I stopped taking her anywhere expensive. Last time we hooked up she had just decided to take a break from her boyfriend at the time and called me up. We stopped mid monster mash cause he called. And they got back together over the phone while she was still in the lingerie I fucked her in. Then when she left to go to his place like ten minutes later …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:49 PM
1

So you still haven't answered what strategy any man can use.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:40 PM
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Well yeah, if it's not men being the problem then of course feminists would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:39 PM
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Are men being invited? Because the prevailing message I remember (that is still echoed in these comments) is that men who are actively looking are "pests" and "creepy"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:36 PM
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Who said anything about deserving? We're just using the inverse golden rule. If we're getting told that we're not entitled to anybody's care or help. Why should others be entitled to ours? . How many times have you had to justify to a stranger why you don’t deserve to be raped? Considering the methodology used by multiple government entities to measure the prevalence of rape was built by a feminist woman named Mary koss who doesn't believe that men can be raped. Its more than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:34 PM
1

You're the one suggesting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:28 PM
1

Which confirms that the bluepill stance is that men are in a social caste system where some men aren't as good as others.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:28 PM
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Who said I chose it? Where I come from that's what the men do. So that's what my family pushed me to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:27 PM
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Because I don't believe the blue pill offers any beyond "just do things while attractive and it'll happen" or "just make friends and that should be enough" Neither of which worked or helped me when I was single. And now that I've met somebody who I'm enjoying a happy relationship with I feel I have more leverage to make this point. As I remember many times saying it wasn't working was met with accusations of being entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:26 PM
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And for people who aren't privileged?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:05 PM
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So there is a caste system. Some men aren't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:00 PM
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So again. If you want examples of men being shit on for asking for help. Look no further than feminist forums. Which feminists will unironically tell men are spaces to help with their issues as well thus making men's spaces illegitimate and misogynistic. Thus my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:59 PM
1

So the average man can approach women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:56 PM
3

What social group? The only places I've worked that had active social "groups" were door to door sales gigs with incredibly high turnover rates. Otherwise people did their job and went home to their actual friends and loved ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:48 PM
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So yes to my above comment. The blue pill stance is that men are in a social caste system
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:47 PM
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I'm just pointing out what's happened in my life. Not a lot of women in oilfield equipment operation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:46 PM
1

But I've been told many times not to date people at work. Its even against the rules at many job sites. And school isn't great for older or disadvantaged dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:44 PM
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So how does one differentiate? Or is it better to try everybody and figure the rest out as you go?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:43 PM
2

Thats like being born on third base and thinking you got a home run.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:38 PM
3

So guys should go to schools and ask around their jobs to meet women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:36 PM
2

So the blue pill stance is that men live in a caste system where only the handsome ones can approach women? Or can any man do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:20 PM
0

I thought feminism was for men too? That's why men are going to them instead of the men's advocacy groups that those same feminists say are redundant since feminism is for men also
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:55 PM
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But I've seen it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:54 PM
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But dating is the goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:43 PM
2

You mean like the one I'm in?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:43 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/lies-fabrications-jfFlSb6 Here's the results to a post where I talked about how unfairly treated I was when I was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:42 PM
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But the apps suck. So an alternative is needed. Sorry you don't like the alternative but your feelings don't matter in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:41 PM
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And for men who work in male skewed industries? I remember working as an equipment operator. There was one woman on the crew and she was 30 years older than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:40 PM
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Sure. Just look up male suicide on feminist forums. Its sure to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:35 PM
1

So yes to approaching women in public?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:34 PM
1

I'm happily in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:32 PM
2

Ive only ever dated people who wanted to date me first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:31 PM
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But it can give advice that any man could use. You're not doing that because you're stuck on details.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:17 PM
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I'm looking for dating advice. Not making friends advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:14 PM
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Because I'm asking for strategies any man can use. Trp offers this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:59 PM
1

So you don't have a solution. And men should instead go to the red pill instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:58 PM
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And if the social circle isn't introducing them to people like mine didn't. Where can they go?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:57 PM
0

And what are these signs? What should men look for?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:52 PM
3

So where can men who can't afford that go?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:49 PM
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So. The blue pill solution is for these men to ignore women and try anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:42 PM
3

I've had many. This never happened for me. It's not as automatic as you may think. I ended up meeting my current partner through the apps. But I know how shitty they are. So I want to know what the blue pill alternative is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:35 PM
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How? Where do they meet these people?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:34 PM
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And men who aren't in university should go there as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:33 PM
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I've heard from multiple sources that women don't like being approached in public or etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:33 PM
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This doesn't really answer the question. Like said, women often say they don't like being approached at the gym or at work or out in public. Should men who don't want to struggle through dating apps just ignore them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:23 PM
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This is fair. I was under the impression that women didn't like being approached at the gym. Should men ignore this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:06 PM
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So men should try and date their coworkers and approach women at school?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:05 PM
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I've seen the opposite. Where men are called entitled for the mere idea of wanting a relationship. And when men are asking for help with unrealistic gender roles and not having support in education and issues like loneliness or suicide. I've seen the same answer. So why would a man care if he's not entitled to any kindness or humanity?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:59 PM
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Your comment mentions "perceived" slights. I'm saying it's not perceived that women and feminists will call men entitled when they ask for help.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:21 PM
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The girl I lost my virginity to told me the next day that she didn't like my body but she really liked the dates I took her on (that I was paying for)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:55 PM
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Its not perceived when men are asking for help only to be called entitled for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:52 PM
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How?
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