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Like how women are always flip flopping on religion because some of them are Christian and some of them are Hindu? Or flip flopping on drinks, because some women say they like coffee but others say they don't? Has it ever occurred to you that women have different opinions and when one woman does something and another one doesn't, that doesn't mean there's this one giant WOMAN who's a massive hypocrite.
/r/MensRights04/04/14 03:00 PM
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Ever heard of amateur theatrics? In any case, your whole comparison is predicated on feminists being the moral equivalent of Nazis, whereas I would say that IF they are radical feminists it would be more like Civil Rights activists dramatising writings from the Black Panthers - controversial, possibly tasteless, but in no way an indication that they approve of the extreme language but identify with the outrage.
/r/MensRights09/01/14 03:13 PM
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All I will say is please read my first paragraph - I foolishly gave the MRA version of events there the benefit of the doubt and assumed these were some ultra radical sect, but it turns out they were actresses in a dramatisation of the SCUM Manifesto, yet another instance of the MRA bigwigs deliberately misconstruing reality to stir up hatred. Otherwise, this discussion is getting too broad now, so let's call it a day. Suffice to say I am against extra-judicial action against anyone, whether tha…
/r/MensRights09/01/14 02:55 PM
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would you really want the Swedish woman who was singing and dancing 'kill all men' on the SCUM video babysitting your children? You mean would I want an actress babysitting my children?. Because the incident you refer to was a theatre group staging a performance of the SCUM Manifesto, and for this heinous crime the bullyboys at AVfM put a bounty (that's actually what they called it) out on them. Maybe that's why the only "news" outlets who actually think are genuinely genocidal maniacs are MRA h…
/r/MensRights09/01/14 01:53 PM
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I wouldn't support that kind of doxxing of anyone, period. Not white supremacists, not Communists, not MRAs. If they have a professional platform - a blog, a public email address etc. - of course it is appropriate to debate their work over those channels. But no-one in a democratic country should be subjected to extra-judiciary punishment, nor should such behaviour be encouraged. As for what people should do with this information; well, I'd say that if I saw a woman posted on the site for being …
/r/MensRights09/01/14 01:17 PM
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a) it's unaccountable. Apart from its self-appointed, self-confessed MRA 'administrators', who I'm sure would be reeeeal sympathetic to anyone listed who felt their inclusion was unfair, inaccurate or dangerous to their personal safety, this is in all other senses a vigilante group of obviously angry men who can turn their collective energy on anyone who has the misfortune to be included b) it takes a LOT less to be included than you suggest. Katherine Heigl for starring in comedy sketch about s…
/r/MensRights09/01/14 10:47 AM
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So a site that encourages harassment (because, seriously, let's not be naive - why else would you want someone's personal details when they can be addressed through their professional platform?) of people whose details are exposed to a hostile audience without accountability or due process of law to ascertain what 'crime' they have committed? Anyone can accuse any woman they hate of some random troll-bait crime (spermjacking, false rape accusation, domestic abuse) and set a ready-made pack of ba…
/r/MensRights08/01/14 11:38 PM
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'Register-Her' - it's a list of criminals and bigots - you don't want to be on it? Don't be a bigot So, agree with my political ideology or we'll release the hounds?
/r/MensRights08/01/14 03:53 PM
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Imagine if someone said the same thing about blacks, For the love of Mike, that's exactly what she is doing! Swapping X for Y to reveal how absurd and offensive anti-immigrant rhetoric would sound if applied to another group, for example men. It's a really commonplace rhetorical device - this sub does it constantly with "Imagine if someone said this about women" genderswaps, so I don't know why its members find it so hard to spot.
/r/MensRights04/01/14 05:23 PM
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Gee, thanks... Now all I can hear is Jimmy Stewart saying 'panties' in Anatomy of a Murder.
/r/MensRights30/12/13 02:35 PM
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What is my sub? Are we talking AMR? Yeah, a sub dedicated to kicking back and showcasing this sub's many, many, many own goals is probably not the best place to debate strategies for preventing domestic violence. /r/cooking isn't the best place to discuss car models, either.
/r/MensRights21/12/13 12:42 AM
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Why don't we just look at feminists in California demanding that all DV 911 calls result in an arrest, and when female arrests (because of DV) skyrocketed 300%, as opposed to 50% for males, they came up with the Primary Aggressor Theory? This doesn't suggest to me that 'feminists don't believe women can be perpetrators of domestic violence'. Perhaps there is room for discussion of whether the Primary Aggressor Theory is a helpful strategy - personally, I would say it was an ugly, blunt tool to t…
/r/MensRights20/12/13 11:39 PM
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You seem to be stuck. Please instruct the nearest grown-up to check you for scratches and then give you a good solid smack, see if that sorts you out.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 09:10 PM
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...Wait, I've been fooled by this before. You first this time.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 08:23 PM
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So, just to be clear, that's a no? That's swell. Toodle-oo.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 08:22 PM
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feminist claims that only men commit DV and child abuse. Citation? And I will need a direct statement to that effect, not some weasel words about the Duluth model.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 05:14 PM
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So if I can find some black inventors and black successful litigants from history, I have proven that racism was never a real problem?
/r/MensRights16/12/13 12:53 AM
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If this is 'top' conservative news (fabulous source, obviously), one shudders to think what would constitute their second-string efforts.
/r/MensRights14/12/13 10:37 AM
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No problem! I'm sorry you've encountered some assholes - the problem is that anyone can call themselves anything without actually understanding it or living by its principles (hence why so many so-called Christians behave in a very unchristian way). I hope I've shown as best I can that that is in no way a mainstream feminist view. There is certainly scope for criticism of aspects of feminism as it relates to men's issues, but to outright state that feminists don't believe in male rape victims or…
/r/MensRights13/12/13 10:38 PM
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Guess what? They would be totally supportive! Glad we got that cleared - I know how much this sub likes concrete evidence, so I'm sure I'll get upvoted. The rest of the commentariat can return their strawwomen to their fireproof cases. I'm sure they'll claim that these can't be reeeeal feminists, because real feminists only say what MRAs say they say.... From: /r/feminism Can A Straight Man Be Raped By A Woman? (all respondents say yes, express sympathy) Excluding Men From Rape Culture - How Chr…
/r/MensRights13/12/13 11:18 AM
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Human rights, everyone!
/r/MensRights09/12/13 09:52 AM
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Disproved, I gave them gold. I was drunk, but I stand by it. That POS comment above it was even more upvoted last night, so damage control has obviously been at work, but the fact that it calls women parasites and retains a positive score says it all.
/r/MensRights05/12/13 08:23 AM
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Yes, gosh - why didn't Abigail Adams mention them? Femspiracy cover-up between her and Andrea Dworkin and Tina Fey and Wonder Woman, I expect. Or perhaps the fact that in her time she had no way of knowing how woman would govern in elected political office because there were precisely none. Which is maybe more significant and more worthy of attention in the context of her writings on female enfranchisement than hand-wringing over her reference to completely normal 18th century gender stereotypes…
/r/MensRights25/11/13 10:17 AM
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You're trying to disprove the idea that rape is often trivialised in our society by picking a username that trivialises rape? Got it.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 08:41 PM
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It really isn't, unless you have a disorder or mental illness of some kind, which isn't generally the case (and if it is, that's part of a different discussion). Why do so many people here act as though social cues are something that women invisibly emit and men are expected to decipher? Body language and tone are not gendered phenomenons - I'm a woman and I read cues from other women and men every damn day. Men aren't just humanlike dogs, you know, they transmit emotional nuance in their body l…
/r/MensRights07/11/13 09:20 AM
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This is why I think the 'cold sell' tactic of hitting on members of the opposite sex is verrrry risky, and if you go for it you can't really harbour a grudge if people don't like it. It's so much safer and more comfortable for everyone if you don't try and Charlie Sheen some stranger and stick to making casual conversation at social gatherings, where you can really read the cues and if they aren't into it, no big deal - you can move on and mingle with other people.
/r/MensRights01/11/13 05:57 PM
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It's really not so much that he's creepy because he's unattractive. He's creepy because he doesn't accept rejection. It's just that unattractive guys are more likely to get rejected (and thus they have more opportunities to take rejection poorly). This is very true. That said, sometimes attractive guys can take rejection way worse, either because they aren't used to it or they have a horrible sense of entitlement.
/r/MensRights01/11/13 05:47 PM
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The reason it feels like attractive men get more of a pass is that last part; if a woman is interested in being approached sexually by a particular man and she indicates that (with flirting, for example), then overtly sexual comments are not breaking social rules. THIS exactly. Why don't people whining about being creepshamed get this? The whole point is YES, I am more likely to signal willingness to keep talking/flirt when an attractive (or, shall we say, charismatic) guy approaches me, so if I…
/r/MensRights01/11/13 05:39 PM
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This is madness and cruelty. What next? "Maybe that abused kid shouldn't have pissed off his alcoholic mom if he didn't want a black eye?"
/r/MensRights17/10/13 09:04 AM
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I was being sarcastic, dude. Pointing out that when women are influenced by social and cultural expectations, this sub ridicules them and basically says 'well, if they're too weak to defy social pressure then screw them' but when the same thing affects men it's somehow a terrible problem with society that needs fixing. And I meant get out of this sub. Your suspicion that it is full of hypocritical women-bashers is correct. I only drop in from time to time from /r/againstmensrights (which, by the…
/r/MensRights09/10/13 08:49 PM
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No, didn't you know that social prejudice and discouragement only exists when it's stopping men from becoming teachers or nurses? When it's women who are under-represented it's all their own fault. Get out while you still can, pal.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 10:11 AM
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Citation[s] needed. What a steaming pile of anecdata.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 05:05 PM
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You are entitled to your opinion, however eccentric.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 02:54 PM
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I frequently see you try to combat hatred and ignorance and get ignored, downvoted or decried because saying "well, that isn't entirely fair" or "that said, I think they have a point" doesn't fit in with the dominant narrative here, which is that women's problems are either grossly exaggerated or non-existant (and I agree that the pay gap issue is more complicated than either side makes it seem, but all women's issues are marginalised or ridiculed as pathetic). Example: if someone dares suggest …
/r/MensRights20/09/13 11:26 PM
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You'll find that many philosophers and academics of the civil rights era made similar comments about white people, but we understand them as they were meant to be understood - as abstract discussions not literal comments on the world. You clearly have no academic spark in you and are unwilling to discuss anything except in the most basic literal sense, so there is no point discussing intellectual ideas with you because you will only consider them in the crudest way possible. So feminists can go …
/r/MensRights20/09/13 10:47 PM
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One feminist, twenty years ago, who wrote a work of fiction about a female-dominated world. Big whoop. There are literally thousands of feminist scholars out there, and yet mysteriously MRAs only ever mention the same handful, possibly because they can lift a few quotes out of context to build a strawman. If you can't or won't direct your comments at contemporary mainstream feminism, you aren't talking about anything relevant. It would be like quoting Malcolm X's most controversial comments to d…
/r/MensRights20/09/13 07:49 AM
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No, we don't. Because that's fucking stupid. I love men, and even if I didn't I don't think women are superhuman and could fill 100% of jobs with 50% of the people.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 08:01 PM
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The 'end of men' is daft clickbait nonsense, as any reasonable person would immediately realise. Do you honestly think anyone imagines we could get by without 50% of the population? Or that anyone would want to? It's silly hyperbolic tripe and absolutely no-one thinks otherwise. It isn't a justification to undermine the role of women in public and domestic life. Women's issues are constantly downplayed on here, by the way. In fact, threads are often posted that have no connection to men, just to…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 02:27 PM
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No one said stupid or lazy though Really? In response to why there are few women are pilots and train engineers: Those involve actual work. Women are lazy. Why do you think we have washing machines, dish washers, vacuum cleaners? It was to stop woman's bitching Women are whiners. [women] want to be given a high-paying desk job just for being a woman.. Women are greedy. Women seem to inherently have less interest and less talent in Math and Engineering. Women are dumb. (because lack of interest c…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 02:17 PM
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I wouldn't bother, mate. You are out of place here. Didn't you get the memo that this was the space to talk about how women (not feminists, women) are too lazy and stupid to do hard work and how we'd all get along just fine with no-one to raise our kids, educate them, bathe and clothe our elderly grandparents and keep our government institutions running (and that's without counting the huge numbers of women in non-traditional work, like doctors, who apparently don't exist). Look upthread and you…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 07:58 AM
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They admitted to forcing someone to have sex. That is what we currently define as rape. I don't need them to self-define, although perhaps it would be interesting to read their justification in more detail (first reason was listed as sense of entitlement, second wad 'boredom') to see what's happening in that culture and how it can be improved. The stealing analogy doesn't fit, because while most people would agree that stealing unintentionally might be considered an innocent error, you cant rape…
/r/MensRights12/09/13 08:11 AM
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Rape studies have been proven to be flawed and to skew the truth. The men did not say, "I am a rapist" they answered a series of questions, any one of which could put them in the category of a rapist, even if they had not committed rape. We don't ask criminals if they self-define as criminals, we arrest them for committing a crime. Sure, if you asked a bunch of rapists if they were rapists, they probably wouldn't say yes. That doesn't change the fact that they raped someone - why on earth do we …
/r/MensRights11/09/13 10:51 PM
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Women weren't asked and many men wouldn't call what they did rape, which doesnt change what it is.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 07:34 PM
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What if you wanted to see how many left handed people eat liquorice as part of a study on left handers? Seems like that's more accurate.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:31 PM
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Because the members of this sub understand the nuances of methodology better than professionals? Nothing has been offered as proof that the stats are inaccurate but far-fetched (dare I say grasping at straws) speculation about 'misunderstandings', as though a UN backed survey wouldn't control for that. So far not one person has accepted the findings or expressed sympathy for the victims or suggested how men in those cultures can be educated about consent, which would actually, y'know, be useful …
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:28 PM
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This survey isn't about men getting raped, got it? It's about widespread acceptance of both marital and stranger rape of women by men in the surveyed cultures, and how that acceptance varies between cultures. And specifically, this thread is about trying to find anything, anything at all that might get these poor self-confessed rapists off the hook. That's my problem. You say no-one denies that women get raped - well, that's what this survey documents and it's exactly what you're denying. The "T…
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:02 PM
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This is why this sub has a bad rep. Not only do men have the biggest issues, but women aren't allowed to have any. Twisting yourself in knots to try and explain away the results of the survey ('but if the survey guy didn't call it rape, maybe these guys didn't know that's what they were doing' 'only threatening someone with violence isn't rape!' 'maybe in their language 'forcing someone to have sex with you against their will means giving them flowers and ponies') is total bullshit. Maybe just t…
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:40 PM
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If your point was that in your opinion they had been chosen to tick a box rather than on merit, you should have made that clear, rather than tossing out labels in a disparaging manner which gives no respect or critical assessment of the quality of their work. You have failed to provide any evidence that they are not meritricious beside your preferences and personal biases. As for Tolstoy, I have no doubt that had women been educated and encouraged rather than discouraged from entering public lif…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 02:05 PM
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Again, I said no such thing. Not directly, but when you suggest that being a lesbian or a feminist or a romance writer (if you say trashy, you are in a minority. You are welcome to your view, but I find it hard to believe that someone who has read any Austen would lump her in with Barbara Taylor Bradford) precludes an author from being great (not 'Tolstoy's equal' because let's not trivialise literature by making it a contest), it seems pretty clear to me that 'great' means something quite narro…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 11:54 AM
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Traditional gynocentric notions posited that women were not capable of committing rape Nope, nope, nope. Gynocentric is defined as privileging a female viewpoint, which is hilarious given that for centuries the law defined rape as a crime against the victim's father, who had lost a valuable possession in his daughter's profitable virginity. If you sincerely see history as women's playground , then there's no point in trying to find a middle ground. I am glad you consider Mary Koss as "controvers…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:53 AM
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I never said that being a lesbian makes you considered great. You, however, specifically included 'lesbian' in a list of things that excluded the named authors from greatness without providing any other evidence for her lack of greatness, as though her sexuality alone was reason enough to ignore her. It suggests to me that you think of 'white, straight, man' as the only perfect 'neutral' viewpoint to write from, and anyone who doesn't fit that description is tainted by their difference. Also, be…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:43 AM
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Lesbians? Seriously? I didn't realise that was an ideology, never mind an automatic veto from being considered great.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:01 AM
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I am tired off being singled out as a monster in anti rape campaign It isn't all about you. I'm not trying to be glib when I say that - it was that very realisation that shook me out of my teenage conservative period. My first encounters with social justice/progressive thought repelled me because my initial reaction was one of self-centred indignation. Why were liberals and POC always complaining about white people? What have I ever done to them? Why are we the bad guys all the time? And then it…
/r/MensRights09/09/13 07:36 PM
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And why did you single out grandfathers? Grandmothers, if you like. There are only two genders to pick from, dude. I suppose I just thought a man should theoretically be more likely to appreciate that men can be raped by women, but many men from older generations (and a lot of young men, too) aren't actually open to that possibility. Anyway, all you have done is cite a single (controversial) feminist who wants to defend the status quo. You haven't refuted my point, which was that blaming feminis…
/r/MensRights08/09/13 11:23 PM
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People who make jokes like that are generally assholes trying to be edgy or attention-trolls who will say anything - I don't think educated or progressive people would make similar jokes for the exact reason that mature and empathetic people know that it is inappropriate to exploit someone else's abuse as fodder for lazy jokes. Where your personal line on that stands is quite subjective though - I have seen strong cases made that jokes about rape/paedophilia etc. can work if they are clearly at …
/r/MensRights07/09/13 11:00 PM
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The term or label "Rape culture" comes exclusively from feminist. Incorrect. It was coined to describe the male-on-male rape culture in prisons. Even a cursory glance at the Wikipedia page would tell you that. That is still one of the biggest and most destructive example of rape culture in society (although the term is now often used for subtler permeations of the concept, ie. trivialisation of rape rather than the outright acceptance/toleration of sexual abuse found in many prisons). And it is …
/r/MensRights07/09/13 10:51 PM
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Just going to repost this from earlier because this was exactly the reaction I was talking about. the name 'rape culture' sometimes creates problems when, either through genuine ignorance or wilful misunderstanding, people take it very literally and say "but everyone thinks rape is bad! so now you're saying that our culture tells people to rape - how ridiculous!" when of course it doesn't mean that. A more accurate name would perhaps be "rape trivialisation culture" or "rape minimalising culture…
/r/MensRights07/09/13 10:32 PM
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Rape is only something men can do to women legally. Thanks feminism. I can't even begin to point out the ways in which this is utterly absurd - who is more likely to agree with the statement "Women can rape men", a feminist or your grandpa? Not believing that women can rape men is a reactionary, socially-conservative mindset that shows a narrow understanding of gender roles that feminism tries to challenge. At least educate yourself on the history of how rape has been legally defined and perceiv…
/r/MensRights07/09/13 09:59 PM
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Yes. The generally accepted definition among feminists, social justice activists and cultural commentators as a whole is a culture that trivialises, justifies or minimalises rape and sexual assault, in ways which may be different for people of different genders (men or women - or, for, instance sexual violence against a transgender person being justified if they 'lie' about their gender). A quick search of "rape culture" in /r/AskFeminists shows dozens of instances of respondents emphatically in…
/r/MensRights07/09/13 07:50 PM
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Seriously, who do you hang out with who actually says this? My brother has suffered terrible migraines since childhood and has never received anything but sympathy. He has also had time off school and work (at me the taxpayer's expense, I guess), but I guess because his illness isn't biological like a really bad period that's alright with you guys. Even though really bad periods are far worse than many illnesses that workers of both genders frequently deem bad enough to skip work for (colds, bac…
/r/MensRights05/09/13 08:47 AM
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On the bright side, straight white people are probably overrepresented on every other committee at Northwestern, so maybe the days of "No dogs, no whites, no Irish" are not actually upon us.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 08:19 AM
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It depends on what you consider a person. The majority of people in the West do not consider a foetus a 'person' in any legal sense and nor is abortion is considered murder. Therefore any argument depending on making an equivalence between acts perpetrated on a foetus and on a human being depends on going against this legal and social recognition of the difference between the two states of being. If you disagree with this, then I understand why you would make this comparison, but seeing as I don…
/r/MensRights22/08/13 08:26 PM
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I personally think it's parents choice if they want do it no one has the right to argue against their choice. Just like you females don't want males telling you what to do with your body. It isn't the same, though, is it? Because adult women want to be able to control their own bodies, not perform cosmetic surgery on someone else's body without consent. Being a parent doesn't mean you automatically have the right to do un-needed and potentially dangerous shit to your kids' bodies. I'm a woman an…
/r/MensRights22/08/13 06:11 PM
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I was thinking more along the lines of the literary canon - Dostoevsky, Melville, most of Dickens, Tolkien, Hemingway etc. But although my comment was flip, my point was that men are hardly underrepresented as protagonists in classic literature and so choosing to spend one summer reading from other perspectives is perfectly healthy.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:50 PM
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Dante wasn't as on-the-nose as a video game - the Devil is not a Big Boss. Their encounter is surprisingly anticlimactic, if anything. The whole poem is full of unexpected twists.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:42 PM
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"Tired of white men being the devil? How about reading a tale where a white man kills the devil!" Yeah. He doesn't. Maybe try reading it before you come up with your great opening line. If you want a book about a white man triumphing, try 99% of everything written before the 60s.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 10:42 AM
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Kind of amusing that male authors need to summon their inner woman in order to break into the education market. Or that female voices are often only heard when a male author writes them.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 10:33 AM
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It's a very reasonable community when it isn't being bombarded with yet another question about the MRM. Notice how not a single person said the OP could be considered guilty of rape, and they were sympathetic to his experience. In fact one of the top comments specifically said no feminist would argue that a man should be expected to read a woman's mind. If you make your judgements directly from what is said on that sub rather than this sub's 'creative' reimagining of its stances, you'll be in a …
/r/MensRights09/08/13 09:16 AM
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It depends to what extent we define a 'problem'. Something we take a stance on, or something we actively protest against. In cases like this, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect LGBT groups to do the majority of the legwork. That said, what counts in a serious egalitarian movement is a sincere spirit of unity for other groups who are struggling - something I think may be lacking here, given multiple posters have either rejected the idea that the MRM might be concerned with gay rights or ex…
/r/MensRights21/07/13 11:20 PM
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I think yes, they would, given that lesbians (obviously) are women and gay men are often targeted for 'acting gay', ie. showing feminine traits. Feminism doesn't just mean 'females', it also means 'feminine', ie. trying to combat the disapproval and sometimes outright hatred shown towards traits and behaviour seen as feminine. That isn't to say that lesbians don't get shit for acting masculine, of course, but that relates more to general gender roles.
/r/MensRights21/07/13 10:03 PM
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Personal, non political thoughts from a woman who has been playing console games since the megadrive: 1) a certain amount of physical perfection comes with the territory, for both male and female characters. This is not inherently bad. That said: 2) yes, women (like men) sometimes fantasise about looking sexy, but it's not like we only have one fantasy. Context is the real problem. When I go to a party or a bar or a fancy dinner, I want to look attractive. When I play a game where I'm fighting b…
/r/MensRights19/07/13 08:33 AM
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Okay, how about the entire concept of Western masculinity is what has created a stigma about male rape? If a guy gets raped, do you think he is afraid of a) feminists or b) the fact that society will ignore, belittle and mock him because of ingrained ideas about what makes a man? If you're seriously lecturing me about the marginalisation of male rape and yet you don't see the problem with the fact that the number one factor responsible for the vast majority of male sexual assault (prison rape) o…
/r/MensRights19/07/13 07:53 AM
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Almost all of his female characters are terrible (and I like Hemingway). I could barely make it through A Farewell To Arms because Catherine has to be the worst female character I've ever encountered - pathetic, drippy, soppy to the point of unbearable, a weird, boring drag in no way resembling a human being. It was characters like that, contrasted with the exciting, adventurous, complex male characters, that sent me into an adolescent tomboy spiral of despair, until I realised that just because…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 11:07 PM
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A lesbian! Heavens!
/r/MensRights18/07/13 10:58 PM
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I'm saying that a) both sexes have a protected right to single-sex facilities and b) private businesses have a right to respond to customer demand, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Humans aren't robots and their feelings don't come from statistical calculations, so as long as enough women are feeling unsafe enough for a move like this to be profitable I'm not sure what can be done about it. I can see the reasons why one might object, but I also think it's pretty rich for men to tell women to…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 12:53 PM
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Aren't single-sex provisions already exempt from anti-discrimination laws? Hence gentlemen's clubs, women's gyms etc.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 12:37 PM
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Is this public policy? Or a private business catering to demand? I doubt the taxi company gives a shit about crime fighting, but they do care about what might improve their custom.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 12:20 PM
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It's market demand (this is not a state service, but private business). You might feel the reasons behind it are unjustified. If enough men were afraid of being assaulted by female drivers, I wouldn't object to their right to ask that a business provide them with male-only cabs. This isn't putting men out of business, it's providing an additional service based on customer demand.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 11:28 AM
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We are taking about the specific issue of rape by taxi drivers, NOT rape in general, so don't try to derail. Men can get raped, but I have never heard any instance of a male passenger being abducted and raped/murdered by a taxi driver. So yes, this specific issue, to my understanding, does only affect women. I'm not saying that black people should be afraid of the police. I'm saying that as a white person, it would be incredibly condescending for me to tell a person of colour how they should fee…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 11:08 AM
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I never made any claims that feminist groups are actively fighting the issue of prison rape. That fight is largely being fought by human rights groups and prisoner advocacy lobbies. If I was going to make such a claim, I would provide sources. I like this sub because there are many interesting conversations going on. I'm a feminist but I'm not here to evangelise feminism. If people have legit criticisms of feminism, I will generally not say anything because I accept that scepticism is part of th…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 10:59 AM
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If pianos dropped out of the sky often enough that it was a semi-regular news story and if the pianos only fell on women, that would be a good analogy. Again, I'm not saying I'm in favour of women-only taxis but it's kind of shitty to invalidate someone's fears when you are in a position where you never have to experience them. Seeing as we're doing analogies, it would be like a non-black person telling a black person who was wary of cops 'oh boo hoo, do you know how rare it is for the police to…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 10:49 AM
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I'm not trying to claim that feminist groups are devoting a massive amount of attention to it, for the same reason the NAACP doesn't spend much time fighting anti-Semitism, even though they certainly oppose all forms of bigotry. This is why there IS a legitimate place for the MRM. I don't know any feminists who don't think prison rape is a terrible problem, but essentially feminism has to focus on women's issues first. When feminists say that feminism will help men's problems, they mean that phi…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 10:22 AM
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I think you'll find the stigma over male rape predates feminism by several millennia, if the Roman concept of 'vir' being defined as one who cannot be penetrated is anything to go by. And whether or not you think they are particularly sincere, feminists are one of the few groups in society who take the idea of men being raped seriously. Ask the average person in the street and they'll probably laugh in your face. At least most mainstream feminists who are aware of and serious about the issue of …
/r/MensRights18/07/13 09:29 AM
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A taxi driver attempted to assault me. This is anecdotal, but yes it does happen. Google around and you'll find that, in my country at least, taxi drivers are kind of vaguely associated with murder. I generally love cabbies, they tend to have a great sense of humour, but there have been many high-profile cases of taxi drivers abducting, raping and/or murdering female passengers. EDIT: this is not to say I support the idea of women-only taxis. But don't be so quick to start with the mocking 'oh n…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 09:23 AM
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"competence or voices of reason" is not what makes complex, iconic characters. It's just a sounding board for the protagonist to play off. It's an empty archetype like the 'black best friend' that funnels women characters to the sidelines. There's no reason why a character couldn't be competent or moral and still be interesting, of course, but often they're just 'the wife of the interesting person'. Of course the famous women I mentioned have had great success (that's why they're famous). My poi…
/r/MensRights16/07/13 04:18 PM
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Orrr let's have the Steve Buscemi who is the main star of a popular primetime show in which he frequently sleeps with beautiful women half his age. As for 'immoral', I don't give a shit if a good female character is 'moral'. Hell, half the problem is that women are frequently just bland symbols of competence or voices of reason. No, they were not going to be cast as square-jawed hunks. But they were/are taken first as actors. And people might call Buscemi funny-looking, but that's a hell of a lo…
/r/MensRights15/07/13 06:26 PM
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Yes, but can you imagine Barry White being called a disgusting fat whore over and over and over for daring to be in the public eye? I don't deny that women play a large part in upholding these standards (but the worst in terms of abuse I've seen has come from men, who sometimes actually seem angry that they are forced to behold these infuriatingly ugly specimens). And while we can't change what people find attractive (although it does change - see Rubens paintings or the Elizabethan fetishisatio…
/r/MensRights15/07/13 06:21 PM
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Get back to me when we have a female James Gandolfini, or a female Steve Buscemi. Fantastic actors whose failure to live up to ideal weight/beauty standards is not considered their main feature.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 05:41 PM
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No generalisation of over 3 billion people can be accurate. If someone says "Women are naturally better at nurturing" (not a great example, because there is a pretty strong biological case that indicates this could be the case), I will not agree with that assertion, but when I have ten people on my other side saying "women are naturally manipulative", who am I going to take issue with first? If I were Chinese, I would tackle the person who said Chinese people are untrustworthy before the one who…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 07:06 PM
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Firstly, yeah, I admit that level of sarcasm was excessive. But it doesn't do any harm to remind people that when they make casual generalisations about women, they are speaking of millions of unique individuals. As to the main bulk of your argument, there's a difference between identifying as a woman and supporting women's collective welfare (and I don't deny a man the same right to feel kinship with his gender and its status) and agreeing to be personally accountable for behaviour of members o…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 02:38 PM
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You know that's not true if you've been here any time at all. I visit this sub because it challenges my perspective and is often interesting. But almost every thread boasts a host of pseudo-scientists claiming that women act or think a certain way, 99% of the time a bad way. Yes, there is plenty of shrill screeching about feminists, but it certainly goes deeper than that. All I see are stories and comments that portray women as inherently untrustworthy, manipulative and greedy, as though those w…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 01:14 PM
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Oh sure, when I'm not sleeping, eating, hanging out, watching movies, reading, walking, boozing or browsing reddit I always make time to falsely accuse men of rape, hurl abuse at men who treat me courteously, steal sperm, hound my put-upon ex for more alimony, accuse my co-workers of harrassment and look for rich guys to fleece for their money, just like every other woman I know. It gets pretty hectic. On a non-sarcastic note, I am always open to criticism of myself as a human being. I will not …
/r/MensRights03/07/13 11:33 AM
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Yes, that's what we do. Ya got me. God, this sub gets low as all hell sometimes.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 10:41 AM
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I have no idea why you're being downvoted. The OP asked what outsiders see when they look at the MRM that makes them hate them and you told them, now they don't want to hear. To be fair, I have seen threads giving great emotional support to vulnerable people, but you are right that there is very little in way of organised events/initiatives, especially if you discount those only designed to antagonise feminists (ie. there is way more enthusiasm for the minor - yes, it is, relatively - issue of f…
/r/MensRights28/06/13 09:40 AM
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I see how that could theoretically work, but then again I also frequently see comments along the lines of how 'females are X negative quality' which are toxic, dehumanising generalisations the antithesis of what feminism was originally supposed to be about (and in many circles, still is) - any movement for equality is supposed to bring people together, which is why I am often surprised at how rarely language like this is called out as foul, false and slanderous. That's what really puts me off, w…
/r/MensRights28/06/13 09:30 AM
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Yes, I agree. The fact that it's illegal and that it's often performed unsafely go hand in hand. So the choice is either to legalise FGM (which hopefully no-one) wants, or have the best measures possible to prevent it, which is what they're doing.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 08:54 AM
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Sorry, I meant it in the sense of 'this is why the government can't outlaw alcohol' rather than 'this is why alcohol abuse should get a helpline and circumcision not'. The government provides help for alcoholism because they cannot actually ban the root of the problem, alcohol, for the reasons I mentioned before (can be enjoyed in moderation, free will of the user etc.). Whereas if they acknowledged that all circumcision is wrong because it cannot be employed in 'moderation' and it is not chosen…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 06:06 PM
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That's a good point, and one I hadn't considered, but alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation and the choice remains in the hands of the user, neither of which apply to circumcision.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:47 PM
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You've got me thinking about the hypothetical helpline for victims of mutilation, here (thanks for that, it's a new subject to me). I think - and please understand I'm speaking purely in objective terms and as an observer and not necessarily a supporter of the status quo - it would be hard for the government to fund a counselling service for the victims of a legal medical procedure. Of course, there are services for those affected by things like cancer etc. but those are non preventable. The sta…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 04:59 PM
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Can you find me the bit which suggests it is a counselling service? So far the only evidence I've seen is that is run by people who have worked with victims of FGM, which only indicates it is being staffed by experienced personnel. Nowhere does the article indicate that it is intended as therapy. I'm sure if someone contacted them with regard to their past mutilation, they would happily offer advice or redirect them to a more appropriate source, but the only service I can see explicitly mentione…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 04:53 PM
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What is your point here? That the hotline is manned by people with experience in the field? Try this: The NSPCC says the free 24-hour helpline is aimed at anyone concerned that a child's welfare is at risk because of female genital mutilation, particularly teachers and medical staff, but they are also hoping that relatives will come forward. They stress that callers can remain anonymous but information on children at risk will be passed to police and social services. Seems pretty clear what the …
/r/MensRights26/06/13 04:16 PM
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Agreed. I'm British and I only know two or three non-Jewish men who are circumcised (obviously some won't have chosen to share their foreskin status, understandable), one for a medical reason and the others due to norms in their parents' culture.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 02:54 PM
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It isn't a HELPline, it's a HOTline. FGM is a crime and, like, for instance, child abuse hotlines, this is designed to help people report the practice who might otherwise feel too intimidated by cultural/family pressures. What exactly would be the point in calling a hotline to report MGM? It's legal and generally carried out in a sterilised hospital environment, neither of which is true of FGM. They can hardly send the police out to deal with it. If you feel that there is a demand for a helpline…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 02:51 PM
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Yes, but that was not relevant in this case. The girl's father is of less than 2% Cherokee heritage and tribal authorities confirmed he had not ever been an active member of the tribe. He was misusing the tribal sovereignty legislation as leverage in the case. The baby would almost certainly not have had any involvement with her Cherokee heritage under his care - without even taking into account that the mother is Hispanic, an ethnicity surely equally deserving of preservation. The legislation h…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 08:23 PM
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For goodness sake, I know that. I actually said that in my first response - that I found the story interesting in and of itself and specifically DID NOT want to make it about women. Sadly, someone had already started on the undermining of female victims, without prompting, and so I felt like I had to respond. This boy's assault was not taken seriously, and his gender almost certainly was the major reason, but that does not mean that rape culture doesn't affect women at all, and to suggest that i…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:54 PM
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So the 'this is what would hypothetically happen' game is good when it suggests misandry but not misogyny? How many times on this subreddit do people use the 'if this was a man/woman...' tactic when discussing news stories? It's not a fantastic debating strategy, in that anyone can posit how a hypothetical event would be covered to support their point, but it's no less legitimate when I do it than when others do. Based on my experience with media coverage and the reams of moronic online commenta…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:28 PM
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Do you think if this was a murder case the newspapers and locals would feel the need to mention that she wore make-up and dressed older?
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:24 PM
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But to make that point, why do girls and women have to be belittled? Somehow because this boy has been treated terribly (and yes, partly because of his gender) female suffering is illegitimate/worth less?
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:24 PM
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That's an oversimplified definition, to my understanding. If you ask someone "is rape OK?" chances are they'll say 'nope, no way'. But when people feel the need to introduce factors like the victim's behaviour, past, appearance etc. when NOTHING matters except a) was she able to consent? and b) did she?, that is rape culture. It dilutes and diverts the seriousness of the crime to focus on aspects of the victim's conduct rather than the actions of the perpetrators and feeds the idea that a) the b…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 06:24 PM
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Alright, here's one: link And yes, this is one instance. But individual instances are what make up cultural conceptions, and if you truly don't believe these ingrained biases exist than no matter how many examples you see, you will interpret each as a standalone instance.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 05:52 PM
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If the genders were reversed, I assure you there would be tons of comments along the lines of "why did her parents let her hang out with older boys?", "had she had sex with any of them?", "was she flirting with them?" etc. Not claiming that would be 'better' or 'worse' than the shameful way this boy has been treated, just pointing out that it does cut both ways.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 05:37 PM
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Why do I get the feeling that if I did you would manage to weasel a reason why those examples 'wasn't really rape'?
/r/MensRights20/06/13 05:34 PM
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I think you would have to be wilfully misunderstanding to think that, to be frank. Neither is treated 'worse' - the way we think about rape is totally fucked up, for any victim. My point is that rape culture manifests itself in different ways depending on the gender of the victim, in contrast with the idea that women and girls do not suffer due to rape culture. They do. Everyone does. I didn't want to bring up female rape victims because the OP raised a brilliant point about how sexual abuse of …
/r/MensRights20/06/13 05:31 PM
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And yet no-one's asked what this boy was wearing. Or if he was drunk. Or what he was doing hanging out with older boys. Just outrage and sympathy - as it should be.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 04:04 PM
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It comes from the sexist idea that women are weak and dainty and can't be expected to work as long as their menfolk. Silly and outdated in our modern world, but not to worry - it looks like we'll all be working into our 70s soon.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 10:48 PM
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This person is clearly very mentally ill.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 10:43 PM
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Please show me where I said that. I think I have been more than concilating - if you look you'll find I specifically said I disagree with what these groups are trying to do. But I do not disagree that there is a worrying trend and like all trends of crime it should be recognised and reported.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 05:49 PM
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If you have stats on women who kill their husbands for their money, I would be interested to see them. I admit that I have not really considered that happening outside of Murder She Wrote, but I'm happy to be proved wrong. If we're talking about insurance-scam murders, I always got the impression it was fairly gender-equal, in the sense that husbands seem to murder their wives for insurance as much as the other way round. This is an extraordinary case that appears to go beyond general domestic v…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 05:28 PM
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That shows the general homicide rate is declining. Surely that makes it even more worrying that a certain trend of homicide is climbing?
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:49 PM
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I understand why they are pushing for a new classification - ie. the murders are usually motivated by sexual jealousy, hence it could be argued that the violence is gender-related - however I don't think they make a suffieciently convincing case, no. That said, I don't know why so many voices always jump straight to trying to stifle the issue or drown it with shouting. I would be far more inclined to accept MRA's good intentions if the responses were more along the lines of "this is a bad way to…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:49 PM
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A rise in any kind of murder is not good. A lot of murders sharing the same characteristics is going to attract attention. Black lives are not more valuable than white, but we still have initiatives to tackle black-on-black crime. It isn't about life being worth more or less, but recognising that a specific kind of crime is behaving unusually and trying to address that anomaly.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:12 PM
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It's all very silly, and it does vary from game to game. On one end of the spectrum you have the ghost of Lara Croft hovering boobily over all the design of all female heroes and games like GTA (which I love) where almost all the female characters are prostitutes. But on the other end you have Cate Archer from the No-One Lives Forever Game - she wore skintight clothes on the reg, but it made sense in that she was a glamorous spy and she was a funny, well-developed character as well. That was a c…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:09 PM
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Yeah, as per usual they used what could have been a legit complaint (surveyers asking leading questions to fit their agenda) and turned it into a reason to act like the spike in domestic murders (activists are not inventing these murders) is no longer a legitimate concern.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:03 PM
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femicide is not as big a problem as you 'feel' it is 'As big' compared to what? All I'm saying that it is a specific problem and that the extensive media coverage, while often exploitative and sloppy like most media coverage (calling them 'stiletto murders' is obviously a pretty dumb shtick), is not all some smoke-and-mirrors female conspiracy. I first became aware of the spike in incidents when this article went big: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/21/italy-s-stiletto-murders-dome…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 03:58 PM
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Being extremely muscular and wearing well-crafted armour is a pretty useful situation to be in as a video game character. Having big knockers and bouncing around in a few skimpy leather belts is not. That's my issue. If it's an unrealistic standard that actually makes sense for what the gameplay involves, at least it can be justified that way. When it's just, oh, it's a girl, let's give her a low-cut top, that's just pointless and insulting both to the players (who they assume lack the empathy t…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 02:34 PM
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Italy may be safe compared to many non-Western countries, but it has the highest domestic murder rate in Europe. Obviously all domestic violence is awful, but violence against and murder of wives/girlfriends is a specific problem linked in part to changing gender roles as well as longstanding cultural hang-ups (jealousy is almost always a factor). I was a reporter in Rome a year or so ago and we covered this issue several times, and I ended up doing a lot of research. That isn't to say that 'fem…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 02:18 PM
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And...there it goes. 8 minutes in. It's like the Godwin's Law of the dregs of MRA.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 02:03 PM
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"Subtle" is rather generous. The wording is totally unnatural to awkwardly shove in a gender marker where no English speaker would ever put one. Is MRA about turning any negative interaction involving a person who happens to be a woman into evidence of male oppression? Not that it really matters, seeing as consensus seems to be that this story really has no place here.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 02:01 PM
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Also, you're bonkers.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 01:50 PM
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What does gender have to do with it, unless you're trying to make it sound like she was a jerk BECAUSE she was a woman. I don't go around saying "I have a class today with my female professor" ffs
/r/MensRights13/04/13 01:49 PM
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That just seems like such a huge assumption unless you're looking at everything through gender war lenses. And I certainly wouldn't trust the angle of a story which is unabashedly being presented to us as "WOMAN tries to ruin a MAN's career". In this case, their genders are totally irrelevant, unless every time a woman is a jerk to a man it's because of sexism (which is one of the main assumptions men claim to dislike about feminism). I mean, seriously, "checks her privilege"! As though we have …
/r/MensRights13/04/13 12:58 PM
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The original analogy makes no space for the second party - the rapist - which is the whole point. Rape is not an active choice for a victim - you don't get drunk and 'decide' to get raped, like you 'decide' to try and drive your car. If you get drunk and make a decision to have consensual sex (a 'decision' meaning you still have the mental togetherness to make a definite decision, even if your judgement is somewhat impaired) then bully for you. I don't really want to get into the whole concept o…
/r/MensRights13/04/13 11:34 AM
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"Nah, it's more like you gave a drunk person your car keys." No, that would be having drunken consensual sex. Rape would be like, you get drunk and someone steals your car keys and then blames you for not noticing them rifling through your bag (wow, this metaphor is starting to crack under the pressure). Anyway, the important part is - no matter what a person of either gender does, they are not in any way complicit in their rape. It isn't like "leaving your car door unlocked", it's like reading …
/r/MensRights13/04/13 11:25 AM
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This is a story about a crazy person being a jerk to another person. This isn't about a 'female' anything (what is she, a barn animal or something?). I had a male maths teacher who tore me a new one in front of the class for saying "Jesus!". Some people are churchy prissies, end of.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 10:49 AM
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Last time I checked, you can't rape yourself. What you mean is, what if you get wasted and then somebody else steals your car and crashes it into a house. If you think anything a woman (or a man) can do could 'make' somebody rape them, you need to raise your expectations of humanity.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 10:45 AM
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