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Why are you getting downvoted for this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 09:45 AM
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The topic of men's issues as a whole is highly contentious and has always been since Ernest Belfort Bax. Sure, the pushbacks, bad-faith arguments, and hurdles to having our voices heard, validated, and taken seriously are extremely frustrating and stressful, especially now with open misandry. However, every idea, regardless of its intentions and novelty, should be open to scrutiny for the sake of improvement and strengthening. Like the quote: "The moment you say that any idea system is sacred...…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 01:11 AM
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Yeah... but do you really want these types of characters controlling the broader conversation surrounding men's issues? The very fact that the majority of the biggest names in the current mainstream manosphere are either grifters and/or drama farmers kills the optics and expourse to the root of men's issues. If I were to be stranded on a one-way road in the middle of nowhere and a bus operated by Andrew Tate, Myron Gaines, and Rollo Tomassi pulled up, I'm not hopping on. Edit: idk why critiquing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 11:12 PM
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I know it's a bit off topic, but Esther Vilar. I haven't heard that name since I took a sociology course in college. My professor used to rip on Warren Farrell and Esther Vilar's works.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 10:41 PM
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Read the comment thread again, I brought up homeless in response to her comment on poor and impoverished women. I didn’t intend to shift the conversation into the homeless oppression Olympics of the genders, which she obviously wants to steer it to. It’s not a right or wrong situation, but that I’m not interested in going completely off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:55 AM
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Into the void you go, I’m waiting for that deposit 😌
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:47 AM
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Nope my argument, is simply that men are more willing to financially support a woman they’re interested in. The person I responded wants to instigate a debate completely outside the realms of the original topic in order to push a rhetoric that I’m not interested in entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:47 AM
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Debating outside the main topic and entertaining non-arguments isn’t my forte. But don’t stress benching you from the game, and I’m inquiring a deposit to continue this conversation thread 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:43 AM
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Yeah gotcha... sorry I don't entertain unreasonable disingenuous arguments solely meant to rage bait and steer away the main topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:24 AM
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It is where I'm from, I know plenty of women who got their nails and hair done through a man's pocket book. Men are typically in the position of provision and are willing put throw in money to make a relationship work. Men are more significantly likely to be homeless and on the streets than women. There are more people willing to help out an poor and homeless woman than a man in the same position. I'm more likely to see a female drug addict with some kind of shelter than a man in the same positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:04 AM
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Late 20s black male, college educated, making a bit higher than the national average, lives in one of the biggest multi-cultural and racially diverse cities in America, mostly made up of liberal/progressive people, and a huge population. In my day to day life, most of the women around my age and younger that are in my position care a lot more about traveling and glamour lifestyle than locking down a man. And if they are seeing a man, the dynamics is mostly him financially or emotionally suppleme…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:47 AM
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Dating coaches and gurus are a multi million dollar industry mostly made up of male client. There are so many men especially younger ones pouring in hundreds if not thousands of dollars and working on themselves for years just for the opportunity to attract women. I'm extremely hard pressed that the average woman cannot find a decent competent man with a good head on his shoulders to date. Most women either has a guy in their circle or in their periphery, that they KNOW for certain that he'll do…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:28 AM
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I'm not proposing that most women want to be e-whores for simps, but that women understand the ramifications of a serious LTR and don't want to opt in and our current dating climate and discourse is amplifying it. These days when I hear women talk about getting married, it's from a position of comfort where the man grants her almost anything with impunity and sole focus on her own emotional comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:21 AM
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Maybe throwing money at women for expensive dates and trips are bit outlandish and hyperbolic for the majority of women's experience. But there are plenty of men who actually paid for women's bills, rent, hair, nails, etc that is very real. Back in college, I had a friend who convinced a naive dude who had an innocent crush on her to buy 2 boxes of pizza and soda for our group of friends hanging out at her place, under the pretense that she and her siblings were hungry and broke. The idea of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:09 AM
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You're correct in theory and your logic is sound. However, our relationships and what comes along with it, typically doesn't operate in what you've laid out. A relationship takes two people to consent, but men are typically in the position of asking for it. Hence, women are typically in the position of choosing either to reject or accept. This is the same with sex. People don't declare "it's a relationship now" what typically happens is that both parties read the room and vibes after seeing each…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:52 PM
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It is so wild that the dating scene is so toxic that marriage is an issue to discuss. Too many people complain about hookup culture and everyone fucking around, and then freak out when someone openly say "I'm looking for someone to eventually marry." Like, yeah... I want our relationship to actually go somewhere after a period of time, I have goals. It's way too much lmaoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:41 PM
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It's takes two, but the woman always has the last word and is the gatekeeper. If a woman feels like no man is worth her love and devotion because of XYZ, than no man is worth her love and devotion no matter what he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:33 PM
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I personally think we did my age group and younger a disservice by incorporating therapy talk and dating strategies solely for the purpose of self preservation and benefits. We rarely teach people that risk, vulnerability and missteps are just as important as identifying toxic traits and patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:29 PM
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I believe the point is that there has been a decline in stable heterosexual relationships in recent years, that dominant feminist rhetoric on this topic blames men for the problem, when the reality is that women just have no interest in stable healthy relationships with mutual respect. THIS!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:12 PM
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Your first paragraph describes my experience, but from a male perspective. The dating scene is shit. The attention I got wasn't purely sexual, it was more of a spoiled princess/goddess/queen vibes that was very off-putting. Even mentioning my end goal of marriage was an issue on my dating bio, I shit you not. I'm happy that you found someone that you fell in love with, I wish you all the luck on your journey.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:04 PM
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This! Literally this!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:56 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with the first sentence. The issue is that no one wants to be the person left holding the emotional baggage, there's a lot paranoia and fearmongering of what can go wrong. But like you mention taking risks is how you make a LTR and marriage work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:54 PM
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When I say it's not intentional, I'm talking about women aren't intentionally trying hurt men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:48 PM
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That's valid if you don't want to be in one. My contention however is the fronts and pretense that other women put on to avoid saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:39 PM
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Neither. The problem with dating apps today is that it's a purely a numbers game where our conversations is this weird dance where it feels like I'm playing a Telltales series where I'm computing choices for max optimization, not only it doesn't feel natural but the woman I'm speaking to is drowned in a sea of DMs from other men. Sure it would be nice to have more matches, but it would matter if none of them went anywhere. It would be the equivalent of me going to a bar or club asking out 100 wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:16 PM
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Being attractive is important to a woman because it gives them romantic/sexual options that also helps boosts self-esteem and sense of reassurance. Women likes and want to have sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:30 AM
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Despite those things being true, abundance still plays a huge role. Women with lower libido and negative experiences towards sex not only have have an abundance of options but they also attach their worth towards sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:24 AM
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Nope, if the majority of women don't like inexperience men they're by definition tying men's worth to sex/desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:26 AM
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It has everything to do with your comment, there is a reason a lot of older women are obsessed with slowing down their aging especially when it pertains to their looks or go through an awkward realization when men stop approaching or noticing them. We don't get to choose whether if our worth should be tied sex/desirability, regardless if we would to care about it or not. Call it emotionally unhealthy, but what are virgin men supposed to feel when women talk about how they don't want inexperience…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:29 PM
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Is there a word or term to describe people who has an abundance of something and due to it, they're completely blind and unaware to the experience of not having it at all? Kind of like how we're not mindful of wasting food cause it'll always be available at reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:55 PM
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But there is gender specific insults, meant to attack their identity as that gender. Calling a man a virgin and poking fun at, hits very different than being called fat. Just like calling a woman a slut/hoe, hits completely different than being called stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:44 PM
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Not everyone wants to be a free therapist, but most people wants a soapbox to vent regardless of gender. I hold the grievance and wallowing of the red pilled/manosphere in the similar vein as women and feminists grieve and wallow about the terrible men they come across. I don't think it has anything to do with going through a phase or rough patch, but a shift in the cultural consciousness that effecting men and they're speaking out about it, at least online. I rarely if never hear men vent or wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:06 PM
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You came into that realization because you went through it. Someone who has never been through it, will never know nor understand what's even better for them. Relationships are something you just have go through to really know if being alone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:02 PM
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I would rather be in a position where I experienced something and realize it wasn't worth it, than to never know and ponder what could've been. I would rather be the autistic woman who got married, went through the ups and downs of a romantic relationship, learn something about myself, learn something about being in a relationship, my standards, my expectations, etc. Than to be the 30-year old autistic man struggling to even gage a woman's attention and attraction. Just experiencing what's it li…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:59 PM
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Cool :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 03:35 AM
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Never said divorce by itself forces fathers to be absent, there are compounding factors that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 03:21 AM
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Holy shit! You’re thinking way too hard about this. Not every motive and wants people have comes from a deep rooted pathological psychological rationalization. They want kids because it fulfills them and they make them happy. Like Jesus Christ, I know we’re in PPD… but it’s not that hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 03:02 AM
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That’s because the fathers are at work to support his family, because the mother has to take time off of work for their new child. Due to that most fathers pick up extra hours or try to get raises to supplement for the mother’s time off of work. I disagree with the second paragraph, especially when the child reaches school age and older. Not to mention that due to technological advances in home appliance, it’s not difficult. The reality is that kids are expensive and needs constant attention esp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:34 AM
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Doesn't rebuke my point and statistics that shows that most fathers who're absent from their kid's life are due to divorce or separation, mostly done in court regardless of marital status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:15 AM
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Nope, most absent fathers are involuntary (i.e. divorce cases). Also there are statistics that shows that most women sleep and have kids with a smaller pool of men, making it so that there are more mothers than there are fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:13 AM
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I'm not rebuking their points, I'm adding context. Usually, whenever people makes statements about how fathers cannot carry kids, never put in a position of giving up their careers, or how they're not expected to do daily stuff with their kids it comes off like they're trying to say that fathers don't contribute to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:49 AM
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Nope, not even half.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:15 AM
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Most absent fathers are due to involuntary reasons such as divorce and separation. Am I saying men who peace out from fatherhood don't exist? Of course deadbeat fathers exist but they're a very small minority of fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:12 AM
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Nah I do speak for them, cause I'm one of those guys who actually want to have children. Mine and a lot of other men's reasons for it, are very similar to the women who also want children. No amount of pathological rationalization is necessary, it's literally simple as people wanting to be parents and finds that life fulfilling even if it includes huge responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:03 AM
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Even men who don't have kids and want to have them don't view it as a social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 12:56 AM
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Not to come off rude and disrespectful, but you're completely off-base because you're not a man nor a father. The men who wants children and feel that having them will make their lives more fulfilling, feel that way for the same reason women who wants children and feel that having them will make their lives more fulfilling. Most fathers don't view their kids as some kind of "social status."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 12:53 AM
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This is extremely untrue, this is an indicative of either poor upbringing or a broken home. Which I'm convinced that a HUGE chunk of west came from at this point. Yes, men don't have to carry the kid nor have to give up their careers. But they're more likely HAVE to take up more hours at work and/or work harder to get raises to support their family, especially when the mother is taking time off or completely out of the workforce. One of my coworkers just had a kid, and he's busting his ass on OT…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 12:42 AM
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Oh my goodness OP too pussy to bite the bullet to such an easy question, despite having a interesting post lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 12:28 PM
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Devotion and admiration from women are the main priority to a healthy relationship, how much you make, education, and even beauty. To be frank, the types of men who don’t abandon their families are the ones who lives a mundane and boring lifestyle where his family are his main source of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:55 AM
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But the difference is that throughout human history, men are mostly the ones (mostly by force) in the forefront when it comes to physically protecting movements and civilizations. Not discredit women who put their lives on the line for their movements. I know this is a “might makes right” argument, but even if 70% of the male population in America were to just wake up tomorrow and collectively decide to get rid of feminism and rights for women through force, there’s a very high chance they’ll be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:39 AM
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I think there’s a very broad and general census of what most men want from their society. Just like how not every woman completely falls in line with feminism, despite benefiting from the results. Not to come off radical, but I really do think that there needs to be a wide spread record scratch “hold up, I’m holding up this whole operation” moment because… it just can’t go on like this. There needs to be a universal standard reset on gender dynamics where men are also included in the conversatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:27 AM
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I don’t think there are many people in this world, who’re are completely okay with being single. The reason a lot of women feel that they’re okay with being single, is due to an abundance of romantic and sexual options that are readily available. There’s a lot of comfort in having an abundance of a thing. For example, when I was a kid back in public school there was a classmate whose parents were just about wealthy enough to take him to Disney and Universal Studios every Spring or Summer. Whenev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:16 AM
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You’re correct about both gender being dependent on each other since the start of civilization. However, feminism for the most part has only been held up and protected for so long because men as a collective are benevolent. Men as a collective can decide tomorrow just by force to get rid of feminism, turn women into second class citizens and/or property in a very short amount of time with little to no resistance. But they won’t for good and virtuous reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:00 AM
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This! Men need to lead a cultural and societal intervention by slowly halting the machine and infrastructure, until we get a real attempt on negotiation about our purpose and interests in society. If half the population thinks that a bear is a more safer and reasonable option to be alone with in the forest than a man, or think that men are all useless potential-dangerous predators than we need to collectively power-off the societal machine and refuse to participate in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 11:51 PM
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Yes for both, I have two male friends who’re married and one has a daughter. Yes I’m tight with my siblings, we’ll do the best we can for each other and will take a bullet for each other. But I’m not close with any of my extended family anymore though. I don’t struggle to make friends because I have a good read whether if we’re going to get along. I know very well the types of people who’ll like me and who wouldn’t, I know my lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 11:32 PM
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If you want emotional support express it like a grown adult. If you tell someone that you’re fine when you’re clearly not, they’re going to read it as you needing space.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:58 AM
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I’ve been chastised or told to be left alone by women close to me whenever I asked them if they’re okay, when they’re obviously not from body language and vocal change. It’s not that men are lazy or uncaring, it’s that I’m not going to force women to tell me what’s wrong. Men can tell if you’re not okay, the reason they’re not pushing because we’re reading the situation as if you want to be left alone and need space. If that’s not the case please for the love of god learn to communicate better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:56 AM
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Yeah that's cool and all. But I didn't sign up to be an disposable object to be used and discarded, especially when the opposite gender has an successful multi-generational movement to fight against that very notion,
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:22 AM
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I just stopped pursuing and putting in effort. The hurdles and trails are so high that it's absurd and unreasonable. I have a good grasp of where I stood with girls since I was a teen. Not just from a few rejections, but observation and hanging out with them. I knew the type of boys they loved and I was not one of them. I'm as average as it gets. So I focused a lot more on the my hobbies and friends to keep my mind off. Until I finished HS, and I decided to put in effort and work to attract wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 11:42 PM
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Of course opposites attract. I'm just speaking from experience when I used to go church and was part of their youth programs, a lot of the guys who actually embodies your standards were either shy or stick-in-the-mud. If anything not only I respect your standards, I wish more women shared similar preferences than the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:34 PM
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It's not that your standards is high or unrealistic, but that the type of man that you're looking for is most likely going to be a bit stiff and awkward. But if you don't mind it, more power to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:26 PM
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Dude said rejection on assembly line scale... You're the first person to have me crying on this sub. But you're not wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:06 PM
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When I was a socially anxious teenager if I wasn't ignored, pushed away, or given weird looks, most girls were incredibly rude, haughty, snarky, and mean to me. The girls who weren't openly mean, tried to lead/string me along into doing things for them or to be their personal clown by teasing me with questions about relationships/sex to make fun of me for being a virgin at the time. One experience that was humiliating was when I had a summer job in my sophomore year of HS as a candy/soda vendor,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:12 PM
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It’s because of the social norms and etiquette were so much different and reasonable. The most kindest, warm, caring, virtuous and down-to-earth women I’ve ever met are the ones who’s around my mother’s age. That’s because etiquette and social shaming were crucial. A lot of the older married couples that I grew with around my neighborhood, met each other at a young age and locked the fuck in. No discussions on 50/50, who brings what to the table, and complaints about their roles because everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:37 AM
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That’s good for you guys, and I mean it sincerely. But it’s normal for men to be put through a series of stress test to gain the trust of a woman, while for we have raw dog it blindly and put faith that she’s honest and trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:41 PM
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I mean our data from various of social media platforms are collected and sold by various companies, hell every month there’s a data leak where hackers take advantage of sensitive information and we treat that as normal now. So if the local police station wants my data DNA sample and run it through a national crime database it’s all good, most jobs does a soft criminal background check for insurance purpose anyways. No skin off my back.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:57 AM
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The point is that men have to disregard gut feelings and abide by the honor system, while women can have caveats.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:20 AM
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Most women are raised to view men regardless of who they are to them as potential threats and rapists. Women are advised to form escape plans just in case a relationship fails, including relationships with benevolent men. It’s not fair that men can’t ask for the same reassurance and cushion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:51 AM
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If you’re paranoid you’ll get the test done already. It’s for the men who would’ve never known and have to find out VERY late in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:46 AM
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Without getting too personal, I have a family member with a genetic condition where they had go through a procedure where our genetics and DNA have to match to keep them alive. It would be both emotionally and life threatening if we were to find out right there, that we’re not related.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:40 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:30 AM
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Why do you think DNA testing is unnecessary?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:29 AM
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Trust and honor system isn’t enough, most women acknowledge this instinctually. We literally raise and teach women escape plans in case a relationship doesn’t work. It should be the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:27 AM
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In my state millions of dollars are taken out from our taxes for numerous welfare programs that uplifts single mothers, yet also no one complains about the huge cost. You literally have a Reddit account, and I’m going to assume that you have other media accounts. Our data is being passed and sold around to advertisers, even down to the intimate and habitual. It’s to the point where we’re having issues with hackers collecting leaked databases almost every month. And we just accepted it as normal,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:22 AM
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It’s less to do with having an awkward conversation nor the idea of women being dishonest, selfish, and cruel. It has everything to do with proving the existence of gynocentrism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:17 AM
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Yes it should be mandatory. If the government can overreach by binding child support on a man who isn’t the biological father because he signed the birth certificate, then mandatory DNA testing should be on the table. If a new mother has the option to financially lock a father down for 18 years, who didn’t want to have a baby nor plan to raise one by using the power of our government and legislative system, then mandatory DNA testing should be on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:14 AM
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Civilization and Governance need protection and enforce to uphold order and defense, and who's more likely to be put into that position? Men. Men are mostly valued for what they can do or willing to sacrifice for others. What you're described in OP is an extremely old relic from a bygone era in human history, most people today especially in the west don't care about the gender of their future baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:06 PM
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As I get older, I'm starting to see the balance between what I can and cannot control a lot more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:40 PM
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I can't speak for other men, but for me something simple as mistreating family, friends, or customer service is a massive turnoff. Especially when it's a self-aware pretty/cute woman who tries to get with it with pretty privilege. I do however, get super hard for women with moral convictions who are capable of standing their ground in situations where they can potentially lose friends/social capital for what's right though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:22 PM
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I agree however there's nuance where there needs to be a high level of comfortability and familiarity on my end. BTW I'm not a virgin, inexperienced, autistic, or socially awkward. But I'm also not oozing with irresistible charm and life-of-the-party like personality. Just a regular dude. What a lot of woman, even some men don't understand is that a lot of guys don't have this automatic flirtation switches on their heads, they're reading the room, energy, and vibes to act accordingly. It has ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:43 PM
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Tell me about it. I used to go to anime/nerd conventions, I was in the anime/gaming/nerd clubs back in HS and college. A couple of them were decent but awkward, but the majority of those people are fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:43 AM
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Men cheat more, gamble more, use drugs more and are violent more. I've spoken to and/or hung out men from all walks of life. More often than not the men that are describe from the quote above tend to attract a lot more women than men who lives the straight and narrow. If anything the men who I knew that were straight and narrow where I'm from are considered licks and lame, not my words. there are clearly more marriageable women than men Where? And I mean it in the most genuine and sincere way po…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:06 AM
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Although I do agree with the raise of desperate and thirsty men, it's not the end all be all. Everything that's going on in the dating culture is basically the gender experiencing, observing, reacting, and internalizing after the fact. It's not just that men are desperate and thirsty, there's also a societal pressure on men to putting a lot of value into sexual chemistry and initial sparks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:23 PM
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Isn’t it funny that when I simply googled “how to remedy the orgasm gap” one of solutions was basic communication? This thread is full of adult infants. Literally just talk lol. If you’re having constant conversations about your needs not being met, it sounds like you might need to pack things up and find someone else. If I can’t get someone to make eggs the way I like them, I stop asking them and find someone else who’s willing to listen. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:19 PM
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Which I replied with, if a man doesn’t think your orgasm matters then ya aren’t communicating. Put your big girl pants on and speak up or just don’t have sex with them. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:55 PM
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Your point was addressed, you just didn’t like the reply. There’s nothing else to say then, just communicate with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:52 PM
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Dog… just talk about what ya like to do in bed. No one asking for tutorials or guides. If a man doesn’t care about your orgasm, he wouldn’t be communicative in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:41 PM
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If you don’t know what a penis or clit is, I’ll assume that you’re a virgin or too handicapped to have sex. I don’t understand what’s the problem with communication? No one is asking for a guide. No one is asking for their hands to be held. Just talk about what ya like, holy moly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:25 AM
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Exactly, my point. If you and your partner have sexual experience there are individual preferences ya have. It’s better to communicate it than to have boring sex for both people. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:20 AM
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You wouldn’t knew none of that if you never had sex before, yes? I’m pretty sure your partner either told you or signaled that she likes it, yes? Again it’s not that deep. Has the gender war gone so far, that we can’t even talk to people we’re planning to fuck what we like?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:10 AM
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No, asking a man (there are even that women don’t even know the correct anatomical names of their own bodies) to know every single anatomy parts of the human body as a prerequisite to having sex. If you had sex before, you have experience. And with that experience you form preferences and expectations from sex. It’s not that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:03 AM
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No one is asking for a guide, just talk about what ya like to do in bed. Mother of pearl, it’s not that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:59 AM
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You don’t have to give a man an entire PowerPoint dissertation on sexual reproduction and anatomy. Just talk about what ya like before ya fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:55 AM
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Then communicate like a grown adult then, it’s so simple. I’m failing to understand the issue lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:53 AM
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Then so be it, doesn’t change that we fucked prior. Not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:27 AM
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Then the sex is going be trash for her 🤷🏿‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:13 AM
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Communication is key, that’s it. Just ask each other what ya like, if the woman is coy because she expects dudes to read her mind then the sex is gonna suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:08 AM
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When I was growing up one of my neighbors was a drug dealer who sold to HS kids, and managed to bag up a beautiful woman with a masters in women’s health. When I was in middle school most of the girls were either dating or chasing after grown as college freshmen who had a car, a part time job, or lived by themselves while my biggest achievement at the time was taking honor classes. When I was in HS there was 10 dudes for 2 girls. When I was college the women thought all the men in their classes …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:37 PM
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I think you've pointed out one the biggest dilemmas men like me have, where in order to get into a loving relationship or to be worthy of consideration it would require a huge sacrifice of my hobbies, interests, time, and energy. I'm realizing more and more of how limited my time and patience are these days, because I'm reaching an age where I'm beginning to question on what's the point? Am I really embarking on all of this as a prerequisites for bare minimum loyalty and admiration? The mental c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:18 PM
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From I know about my parents and grandparents generations, and how they handled marriages and relationships. Women weren't exactly forced or pressured into marrying men they weren't attracted to in the past for meal tickets. There were huge incentives to get married due to economic and financial circumstances back in the day, where it was better than staying single. Most couples who stays married until death by old age, actually do give a fuck about each other despite redpill and internet specul…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:00 PM
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No, but it’s better that they know each other before hand. Like meeting through mutuals. It happens naturally through propinquity, the longer you know someone the more comfortable and intimate the relationship becomes. Things naturally develop or not. Depends, if the attraction is neutral and obvious then yes. Most times it develops through propinquity and time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:05 AM
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I’m talking about women who want to be in a relationship with the men they want. But I get what you mean though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:15 PM
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I hate how we treat certain aspects of relationships and behaviors as absolutes. It’s either all or nothing. It feels like I’m in an episode of Death Note, where Light and L are one upping each other by mental anticipation. How much can you get from someone by doing so little. It’s exhausting. In every relationship regardless of gender there needs to be a level of agreeability from both parties. But it seems like everyone is too traumatized to make any selfless moves and take initiatives, so whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:32 PM
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We create laws to negate wrongdoing and to maintain/protect social order, not to create a fantastical utopia.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:27 PM
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It's not an assumption, the data is being passed around like hotcakes. So here's what we have in a nutshell: There are way many younger men single than women in their same age groups Women don't find the majority of men attractive or desirable Manosphere/Pill-like content are blowing up in numbers Male virginity is on the rise compared to previous generations of men Dating coaches and gurus for men is a multi-million dollar industry If I were to compile those things together, what I'm getting ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:41 PM
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If I had the ability to read minds and know the lives of those single men, I'm willing to bet that a lot of those men are single involuntarily. True, but most men don't even have the access to causal sex in general. A lot of men are involuntarily single. Birthrates dropping does correlate with dating, the health and future of modern and developed societies are based on family building and reproducing. In every passing generation the cogs within the machine needs to be replaced in order for it to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:33 PM
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True true
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:19 PM
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No shot on the crackheads and morbidly obese, dumbass? Maybe. Women can find a man to sleep with, but to turn it into a relationship and not a pump-and-dump is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:18 PM
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There's clearly dating troubles especially in the youth, a huge majority of young men are single while the women in their age ranges aren't, our birthrates are slowly dropping along with the marriage rates. The US government are currently looking into the manosphere, under the impression that they could be a potential threat to our institution. Yes, there's a serious disconnection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:10 PM
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You had me in the first bit and then lost me, you were super close but not quite there. Some men aren't able to get a girlfriend or even sex, and will flock to AI as a path to least resistance. It's not that they cannot handle the complexity or hassle of a relationship, it's not about the dehumanization of women, it's not about entitlement nor maintenance. It's about if the juice is worth the squeeze, as if the results are worth the effort. Take a good look at the current discourse and conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:04 PM
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It's not just a simple "haha women are no longer needed or desired" revenge fantasy, it's also about taking the path to least resistance and men going where they're wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:44 PM
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I don't agree with the manosphere, but getting your individual/personal needs met in a relationship and respecting someone's autonomy, aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:38 PM
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Yeeah... I see what you mean, even I get caught up on the "women don't have any interests or aspirations" thoughts sometimes, but women are socially taught to be passive. Sharing your interests, thoughts, and traits requires a level of assertiveness that a lot of women either don't possess or don't want to because they just want to go with the flow/vibes. What I've noticed about women is whenever I throw the ball at side their court, or give them space to share their thoughts in a conversation t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:32 PM
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I disagree, if that was simply the case the majority of them would've settled for having sex with escorts/prostitutes. They do care, but there's a fundamental disconnection of perspective between the genders that no one wants to amend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:20 PM
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It's because they want to level the playing field and want men who aren't desired to get their opportunity. It's an extension of the classic MGTOW ideals, where if enough men were to drop out and stop desiring/lusting after woman, it'll force women as a collective to change and make appeals for men's needs. It has little to do with not liking women, and everything to do with "I don't want to be that guy who's been left out and is delegated to the societal position of an unwanted bachelor."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:16 PM
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I slightly disagree, women can have sex whenever they want but getting into a relationship is different. No, Men want to fuck solely pornstars. The most men would want from a pornstar is a FWB situation. There's no well-adjusted man on this blue Earth who'll introduce a pornstar to their folks, especially if that woman is well known like Mia Khalifa.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:02 PM
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No, women can just passively exist and get sex, romantic relationships are mutually agreed on. Single women who wants relationships goes to social functions and just talk to men, just like men have to go out to meet women. Difference is that women typically either wait for men to approach or entertain her attention. Introverted women who don't have a lot friends, don't go out, and sit in their room alone tends to be paranoid, delusional, and naive due to lack of social exposure. They're the radf…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:57 PM
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Doesn’t seem like the odds are against me if I’m finding success, know what I mean? You can tell about the logistics and technicality of conformity, I’m just speaking on what I see and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:02 PM
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I’m not white btw, and also I’m just putting out my own experiences and conversations I have with women outside of America. I’m not doubting your perspective nor tradition especially since you’re from Malaysia, I’m just saying that I’m getting a lot positive experiences from women there than in America. Again, I’m not on some Passbros nonsense. Just putting my thoughts out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:23 PM
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Ironically I actually have a sizable group of friends, mixed gendered. Some of those friends were from an after school program that were mostly women. I worked with about 3 organizations, but it’s not because I was looking for a partner. I don’t do competitions or view dating like a job interview, I’m good off that. It’s either women are interested in me or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:01 PM
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I never heard of that, but I live in a big metro city in America so there’s most likely one. But I did use a non-dating penpal app and had better conversations and connections from there and the dedicated dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:38 PM
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Exactly the reason if you look at the stats, there are more single men than women. Or why there are FB groups with women talking about dating the same men. Most are dating or sleeping with the same men in their area.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:01 PM
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Simple, online dating. Most are literally sitting at home scrolling through social media, YouTube, and streaming apps while entertaining conversations on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:40 AM
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Majority of the people who participate in those are older folks with a lot time on their hands. It’s mostly older women closer to retirement with children and a partner who participates in volunteering work, I know this because I had to volunteer to get a summer job and also had to do for college credits. The minority of young people are cool, and I still talk and go out on drinks with them but the VERY small minority of young women aren’t interested in me and already have partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:24 AM
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Most young women never leave their home unless they’re going out with their friends. When they go to clubs, bars, and lounges they just want to hang out with their friends. It’s not a matter of where, it’s a matter of they just don’t feel like going out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:14 AM
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I’m at a point where I’m seriously considering moving out of America to somewhere in South America or Malaysia to find a partner, and not on some werido Passport Bro bs. Dating and relationships in America is cooked. There’s no organic places to meet women once you leave school. Meetup groups are too awkward especially if you already have friends. A lot of my successful conversations and cool people are from outside the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:03 AM
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I’m a open book and I get a lot of downtime at work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:02 AM
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Sure never spoken to anyone on Reddit about music lol, my DMs are open.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:00 AM
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Majority of the manosphere's influence are very online. You'll almost never run into someone who identifies in those spaces, the closest would be vaguely knowing the names "Andrew Tate" or "Kevin Samuels." It has the possibility of becoming a societal issue, but not in a explosive revolutionary fashion where there'll be an underground cabal of men planning to burn down society and it's institutions for it's warmth. But a very slow and debilitating communal breakdown, where men are just going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:52 PM
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1.) My mom told me how she meet my father and how they got together. My perception of the story changed as I grew because I realized that they're a relic of a bygone era, their culture, their technology heavily influenced their coming-of-age experiences. My mother initially thought my father was ugly, until he won her over and was heads over heels for him, especially the fact that my father worked and fought hard for her to immigrate to America. They're currently life partners till death. 2.) No…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:31 PM
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Common interests are important, they don't have to be the exact same but they do have to be in similar sphere or connection. For example, I'm into metal/punk/hardcore and have been playing guitar for over an decade but I've once clicked with a woman who wasn't into those things. We clicked because she was a theater kid who knew how to sing, we clicked both love music broadly. Another thing that's important is to have that ONE thing or ritual that we both enjoy and love doing together. Sure your …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:11 PM
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I disagree, the reason people have disgust for body pillows and 2D waifus is because they’re solely based off of the imagination and delusions. There’s a level of mental gymnastics and loops to convince yourself there’s something happening. But something like JOI or Her, there a level of communication and socialization that could be immersed. There’s something tangible about the mechanism of JOI that makes her completely different from a body pillow. I don’t think AI will replace women, but it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:56 AM
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I don’t necessarily disagree with that evaluation, you articulated better than I ever could. But what’s the solution? I’m in my late 20s and there’s a good chance somewhere before retirement, we’ll witness a giant chunk of the workforce vanish due to automation and AI. Dating is an uncontrollable dumpster fire where no one wants to contribute to take out the fire. Being a part of a community is luxury and rare. We can argue that those vices and substances are dangerous, but the negations are wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:25 AM
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There’s a lot to unpack here. Yes, there is a form of oppression placed onto men, but it’s not in the traditional sense of “a minority of being oppressed by the majority or authority.” But an abstract yet subtle cultural tug of war of what a man’s place is where the supposition is that men are useless dangerous predators who’s entire journey and value comes from earning his innocence and humanity by performing acts of unreciprocated selflessness. The oppression is the unjust treatment and percep…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:51 PM
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Nothing would really change outside of the escorting world other moral outcry. But a lot would change within the SW world. But I would assume that human trafficking would decrease. They'll be little to no reason to violently coerce or kidnap people, when they can just put out a job application or sell a "deal of a lifetime" to a woman at a random store. Pimps/Madams would slowly become producers and managers. I would imagine there would be some kind of licensing process to either open a brothel …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:38 PM
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To be fair, there's a reason a lot jobs perform background checks. School districts and DOE higher ups don't want deal with liabilities or bad reputation. I'm going to safely assume that you hide your escorting work from your employers, and made sure that there's no breadcrumbs that'll link the two together. But I do have a question, how can a teacher separate her teaching and SW from each other from both OF and escorting perspectives? Because it's incredibly hard to advertise without showing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:14 PM
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If I wasn't close to my sisters or female friends, I would've chosen #3 flat. It's a 3.5 for me. Women are human beings with their own flaws, feelings, and thoughts. When you're around women long enough you get to see the best, good, bad, and ugly in terms of personality. I was fortunate enough to never fall into the "bluepill" mantra when I was younger because I was exposed to various of good and terrible shit. One thing I notice about men, especially youngers who holds contempt and hatred for …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:49 PM
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Not really, escapes are important for the psyche. Hobbies and interests are escapes. The actual problem with escapes is when it's done in isolation and solitary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:05 AM
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Men are going to start checking out and search for escapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:07 PM
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I’m not absolutist, nor think only women does it. But it is definitely a toxic feminine trait. Just like how not all men are violent aggressors, and there are plenty of women who are violent aggressors I can still say that “violent aggressiveness” is a toxic masculine trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:27 PM
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I’m used to it at this point, my main goal isn’t to convince them. It’s have lurkers or people like you to read these exchanges and know what the issues are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:08 AM
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Oh come on, don’t both sides this. If we were to talk about toxic masculinity where certain aspect of it are also exhibited by women, you’ll think it’s in bad faith to bring women into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:03 AM
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And everyday from our media/entertainment to my daily interactions with women, shitting on men is a norm. Difference is that shitting on men is a lot more acceptable and open, while for men women it’s concentrated in niche circles and groups like this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:59 PM
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I’ve long given up convincing and asking for small concessions, because there’s no incentive for them to give a fuck because it’s not effecting or benefiting them. My goal now in these kinds of debates is to hope that lurkers read the exchanges and threads so they can get a good look at what the issues are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:49 PM
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Okay
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:39 PM
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The first one seems like like a non gendered thing. People will test someone's knowledge on sports, fandoms, cars, whatever. If it's something specific to women, please be more detailed. Weaponized incompetence is very much a toxic feminine trait, because men are most scolded for looking incompetent. I'm not talking about gatekeeping, I'm talking about manipulating someone to do something for you. One of ways, is to act like you don't know how to do something and pretending to look confused or l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:34 PM
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Sure, now I'm not arguing that every woman are like this nor is it unique to women. Women tend to use weaponize incompetence to either manipulate or force men to do something for them or test their value. For example, I know women who knows how to perform certain things that typically physical or in the male domain, but they'll get a guy to do it for them because they don't feel like doing it. Or downplay their knowledge on a subject to test a guy's competence. Women relative to men are very pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:53 PM
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It's not about being skipped over for someone else, but watching the cycle of someone go down a path of terrible decisions and then get indirectly blamed for it because you happen to share the same gender as the perpetrator. Imagine being in a room with your male friends and they're talking about how their girlfriends/exes are crazy, money/clout hungry, manipulative, or has a shitty attitude as a proxy to how women act in general. And you sit there and take it because you don't invalidate your f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:52 PM
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Depends on who you're asking and the context because there's a myriad of interpretations. When I think of holding women accountable, the first things that comes to mind is weaponized incompetence, infantilization, and the incapability to compromise. It comes from a lot women not understanding men outside of what we like in the physical level. Whenever I listen to the advices men and women are told about dating, the male side makes an attempt to appeal to the female gaze both in looks and behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:20 PM
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Key word here being THOUGHT. There was never a real limitation it was imposed. Exactly, maybe because human brains are a lot more plastic than we think it is. Maybe we should continue to strive to breakthrough more conventions. Well look at that women are conscience human beings can’t believe it took y’all centuries to figure that one out. Affirmative, so when is it going to be men's turn? When is it going to be men's turn to break out of the sexual dynamics, or we in a "rules for thee but not f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:33 AM
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I find it interesting that in the past century we've cultivated a multi-generational project that has defied our understanding of human evolution, sociology and psychology. I don't think we've yet to fathom how much our civilization progressed and broke through what we though were biological and psychological limitations of our gender. Over a hundred years we would've never guess that we'll see a western world full of highly educated woman with full economic and social agency/independence. We us…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:11 PM
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The reason those women disappeared from the public sphere is because they climbed up the gender abolition ladder and kicked it down when it was the men's turn. There's no incentive for those women to even care anymore because they won. They got what they wanted and had some kind of control over the cultural zeitgeist. The fight to abolish and destroy gender roles, was one mostly focused on how those dynamics affected women and expanding what it means to be a woman. Once society recognized that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:18 PM
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Damn that sucks :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:25 PM
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Same difference, what matters is if they decide to show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:56 AM
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I live in the world where actions speaks louder than words. Regardless of how you communicate either timidly or straight forward, what really matters is if they show up. I’m not about to be that guy with a 5 star plan who paid for reservations and spots, only to be ghosted. When I used to hookup, I would always invite them to a park and after we break the ice THEN I’ll take them out. But it only matters if they show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:53 AM
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I’m not doubting you or anything, but did you actually asked open ended questions? Because for the grand majority of men on those apps we’re the ones who have to initiate and carry the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:23 AM
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Taking care of a woman isn’t exclusive to showering gifts and traveling. If anything those types of relationships usually ends in burn outs. Most people want stability, reassurance, companionship, and compassion. Most men will never admit that being “rewarded sex” after showering gifts and paying for trips in the long run isn’t worth it. But if it works for your boyfriend more power to him, can’t be me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:16 AM
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Trolls? No. Dismissive, smug, patronizing, and apathetic? Yes. A lot of the women here just don't care. And why should they? There's almost no incentives to for them to care, unless they have a son or nephew they're close with who's going through dating issues. Most of them aren't in a position where they're forced to take drastic actions nor have their worth tested to even be considered. They cannot imagine how shitty it is to be in a position where the prerequisite to receive simple affection …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:29 PM
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I've been thinking long hard about this for a while because I legitmately want to understand what the fuck is going on, and it's best to look at it from a young woman's perspective viewing the entire landscape. Imagine living life as a average woman in her 20s, probably went to college and finished with debt, have a decent 40 hour a week job that doesn't suck but it isn't fulfilling, vacations flashes by in a blink of an eye and you're back at work, had a couple of exes and failed situationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:16 PM
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I used to work at my local library where we also had support groups and events geared arounds ND people. Maybe it's due that experience, combined with the circles I run in, I have a pretty good radar for detecting ND and autistic people even outside those interests. It's just that for nerds it's way more prevalent, like you mentioned. It's also an unfair assumption to say that these D&D/weebs/gamers never went to therapy or had a specialist, especially with the fact that they're more likely to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 09:37 PM
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No they don’t. I hung with nerds, card shop kids, weebs/fujos, gamers, and other groups that attracted ND people. For a lot them masking is basically “I’m only going to speak when I’m spoken to.” Or maybe I have a good autism radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 08:47 PM
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This, this, and THIS! I knew a autistic dude back in college who had a crush on a female friend, and she manipulated and lead him on into getting her things and sending her money because he had no idea that he was getting worked, until me and another friend had to talk to him. It was fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 07:57 PM
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This!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 07:35 PM
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It really is unfortunate. It’s a cold world out here. Good to hear that your BF is surrounded kind people though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 06:02 PM
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Speaking from personal experience take this with a grain of salt, men especially teenage boys who’re neurodivergent and on the spectrum are very easy for women/girls to take advantage of. A lot of those dudes lack the social skills to recognize when they’re getting worked, especially with their crushes. I had a female friend back in college who convinced a autistic dude who had a crush on her, to buy and deliver pizza for all our friends when we’re at her house, under the impression that she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:41 PM
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In my experience because I hang out with alternative and nerdy men who are mostly neurodivergent, what usually happens is that they get taken on a ride to of gaslighting and manipulation because they don’t know any better and struggle to understand nuances and reading in between the lines. When I think of poor treatment I think of how someone thinks about and treat someone when they’re around and when they’re not there. Generally even outside of dating, if you look and presented outwardly decent…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:33 PM
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Without getting too explicit, it’s pretty much chalked up to the fact that I’m a hung black man who’s in decent shape and has good enough social skills to have women take interest in sleeping with me. But once we get over that hurdle and they get to really know my personality they realize that I’m not rough around the edges nor super exciting. I heard experience similar to yours a lot from men both online and in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 01:50 PM
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I was responding to your point about desirability as a proxy for good/poor treatment. But if you want talk about neurodivergence particularly autistic men, they’ll struggle the most because they have a hard time understanding and reasoning with perception outside of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 01:33 PM
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I workout 2-3 times a week at home, not doing any bodybuilding or powerlifting but I am in shape and lean. I get a haircut every month and shape up my beard and mustache every few weeks, so I won’t look homeless. I dress according to aesthetics that I’m interested in but not too much (I.e. metal head and artist.) Hooking up, kinda. Serious relationships, nope. If I were to lower my standards way lower than it already is, I could hookup with a random woman. But whenever I’m putting in effort into…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 01:29 PM
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I mean, do go into interviews with sweatpants and a t-shirt despite knowing you’re more than qualified for the job? People are judge by perception, and most of that comes from looks. The more appealing and cleaner you look the better you’ll be treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:22 PM
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Everyone wants sex, including women. Everyone gets sexually objectified, including men. If someone attracted to you they want to have sex, whether or not if they want a serious relationship. Humans are sexual creatures. Just say you don’t like it when men you’re not attracted or interested in approaches you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:11 PM
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There’s a woman on this thread who literally said friendliness and kindness shouldn’t be taken as a sign of interest. It has nothing to do with social cues, and everything to do with “you miss 100% of shots you don’t take.” We are giving men, especially inexperienced men either dogshit or contradicting advices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:02 PM
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It’s because action speaks louder than words. It has nothing to do with men not knowing how to read signals, but more with “this person is friendly and nice, I should take my chances.” Being kind and friendly is inviting, which is why we advise men to smile, relax, and be funny because it brings people in. Yes, it sucks having your natural kindness and friendliness be mistaken as interest, but how else is a man supposed go off by if he’s interested in a woman? Should they approach frowning women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 11:40 AM
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Where both parties feel admired, fulfilled, comfortable, and respected. A relationship where both people communicate their wants and needs but also understand compromise and sacrifice for the sake for each other. Where both parties are interested in building and investing in each other, instead constantly looking for instant gratification or who’s better. Both parties understands and respects each other’s boundaries and perspectives even if it dampens the ego. Both people feel emotionally secure…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:23 PM
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Majority of them are, no reasonable man is going to fly a woman around the country and shower her with gifts and luxury to be in a real relationship. If a man is flying you out it’s because he’s investing in your attention where the dividends is pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:15 PM
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Read any romance literature or anything from literotica.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 05:37 PM
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Majority of those studies are self-reported, it incredibly hard to measure and quantify who cheats on who the most because their incentives to lie to protect the ego. Simply asking “have you ever been cheated on” is a terrible idea to figure it out, because only those who caught their partners can answer it honestly. For example women are better at hiding and acting subtle in cheating than men. Men tend to act more overt and openly about their actions than women. So it’s not surprising that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 05:32 PM
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It sounds like the issue is that toxic/bipolar women tend to be more overt and available than the quiet introvert virgin girl. Also a top of that the women who gets paid and flown are most likely undercover escorts, there’s no free lunches. Speaking from personal experience and hanging out alt/emo/punk/goth girls with bipolar and BPD, they tend to be a lot more open and receptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:31 AM
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It’s for 2 reasons. Most men don’t have a roster of potential partners to pick from, we have to work with comes through. We tend to make compromises. Toxic women tend to be more overt, open, and inviting. They are a lot more receptive and available. Most men choose what’s available to us, make compromises, and try to make things work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:23 AM
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There’s no credible evidence that shows who cheats or lies more in a relationship, how would you begin to measure that in a study without participants lying? Women are more likely to to do the paperwork because chances are they have less to lose than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:10 AM
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Getting your foot in the door isn’t really worth it anymore, if anything things got worse for me when I got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:01 AM
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And some of those guys need to realize that they also might be in the “permanently single for a reason” pool, too. These days speaking from mine and other young men experiences, the reason we're stuck in the permanently single realm is because we missed the boat and now we're trapped on the island of misfit toys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:07 PM
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It’s because virgin and unsuccessful men are looked down upon, and treated as children at best and pariahs at worst. So much of socialization after your 20s is based off on your relationship status. No one wants to hang out with a single man, let alone one who can’t find a partner. Most people want to share their lives with someone, it gives them a sense of purpose or motivation as why they should continue to work 40 hours 9-5. It mostly affects men because women are by default the most desired.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:47 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 01:23 PM
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Dating shouldn’t be this hard or complicated, if you find yourself (myself included) consuming content and research about human evolution and biology in relations to dating you’ve lost the plot. There are elements of physical attraction that heavily influenced by our environment and culture norms. Not to mention there’s no organ in your body that’s biologically forcing you into not comprising, this goes for both genders. Self help is a giant cope. Your grandparents never cracked open a self help…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:33 AM
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It’s because men are told to adhere to the wants, needs, and desires of women regardless if it’s detrimental to their own wants and needs. Notice how majority of male dating advice cross the spectrum is mostly about appeasing and making sacrifices for the sake for a woman’s desire and wants, which is perfectly fine and what men are supposed to do. But it shouldn’t be at the cost of their own comfort and boundaries, we’re all humans with our own feelings and temperaments. Men shouldn’t have to te…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:08 AM
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It took me taking actions to improve myself to realize how much it isn’t my fault and how much certain issues are out of my control. To put it shortly, I did everything I could within reason from therapy and mindfulness to physical and tangible improvement. That journey made me realize how little effort I’m receiving from potential partners. I’m out here taking on the trials of Hercules for the average woman. I busted my ass to only find dates from women who don’t match the effort and fortitude,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:38 PM
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Did you not read what I wrote? No one is mad. I'm literally on their side, people should stand up and fight for change and progress. You're correct, that we choose to be who we want to be, HOWEVER we are also influenced by our environment and cultural climate. Both can be correct. If we were to go back about 60 to 100 years ago you'll never say "you are who you choose to be" and would expect our society to recognize and correct a flaw. Oh my goodness... I don't know what other language or lingui…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:54 AM
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Oh GTFOH. You know FULL well of what societal pressures and expectations has on individuals due to their identity. You calling us babies? For the past decade or so we've slowly cultivated a generation of social inept youth, due to our society over-correcting issues women en masses complained and force everyone to give a fig about. Terms like mansplaining, slut-shaming, and fat acceptance are all concepts from grown women whining about the woes of their circumstances. The funny part is that I'm o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:53 AM
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It’s not our fault we’ve been taught and told by society that we should never look helpless. It has nothing to do with pride, and everything to do with not want to look bad or unreliable in front women, especially one you’re dating. Believe me when I say most men would love a woman taking an initiative or wheel once in the while. I would love to tell a woman I’m dating that I don’t have all the answers or something is out of my depth, but I can’t due to an expectation of men having to always tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 07:17 PM
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More so these days. What used to be hanging out at a friend’s house, a regular spot, or a park became chatting through Discord or other group chats. Ofc we plan out in-person gatherings, events, and trips but that’s not every week due to logistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:27 PM
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Yes they do, because men are expected to act and look competent. I literally have female friends and sisters who make fun or look down on men who never been certain places in my city.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:09 PM
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Men are taught and reinforced to not look helpless or uncertain. They don’t want to admit it and refuse help because a lot of women see it as a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:05 PM
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I think the point he’s trying to make is that women find men asking for help as uncharismatic and unattractive, so men avoid asking for directions. It has little to do with ego and adaptability, they just don’t want to be perceived in a certain way to lose a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:01 PM
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I live in one of the biggest cities in America, there’s a million spots. If you want to take someone out, look for a place, research it, and just go. If someone really likes you it shouldn’t matter whether if they know the city from behind their hands, the point is to have a good time. This is so superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:53 PM
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If there’s a lot mutual followers or attended the same schools, works, hobbies, etc people just follow them and hit them up. IG on my phone has suggested follower list.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:42 PM
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Like the person replied, I met them when I was younger when social media wasn’t prominent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:28 PM
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It’s the main pusher, I also have a friend who’s funny asf and can get a room dying of laughter but that’s it. He’s just the “funny friend.” But then again it’s all anecdotal, and all I do is make observations and act accordingly. Most men who’re sub5 and below average are very conscious of who they are and where they stand. Most of these men don’t ask out super attentive models or 8/10s. A lot of these men do lower their standards, some of them go so low that once they’re in a relationship they…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 04:02 PM
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Both. My peers are pushing 30, and are not outside meeting people in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:53 PM
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Never said that I didn’t approached women. If anything, I’m more comfortable speaking to mutuals/warm approach than dating apps. Game is nonsense, if the woman isn’t attracted nor slightly nothing is going to happen. The women I hooked up with weren’t attracted to me because I had a way with words, I’m a fucking dork. They liked me because of how I looked. But the only reason I had the courage to pursue them is because I came from an environment where it was encouraged to approach and take the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:42 PM
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There more and more people meeting up online these days. Most of my friends these days met their partners through IG. When I was growing up we didn’t have dating apps, we just had MySpace accounts. I had to learn how to approach and hold conversations in person, it’s like a muscle. However, that was a completely different time. When I was a teenager getting rejected was just a no and reading body language, there were so many people outside who’re open enough to just have a simple conversation. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 02:21 PM
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To be fair, we cultivated a culture where we raised men since teen hood that they're predators, dangerous, violent, useless, and disgusting creatures that caused majority of the world's harm, what are they supposed to take away from that information? The problem isn't that all western women are whores, the problem is that we placed men in a position where they must to exhaust an immeasurable amount of effort in a form of self-improvement to attract the average woman who most likely has never don…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 10:56 PM
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There's a disconnect in perspective. Men are the initiators, we're the pursuers, we're the ones who are in the position of having to prove their worth to women. With that in mind it shouldn't be a huge surprise that in the beginning/talking stage men operate in full throttle to keep the attraction of a woman. The goal is to form a steady and secure relationship. Everyone relaxes and eases off the gas pedal once they go steady, it's normal. Constantly throwing in affection, putting in too much ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 10:29 PM
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Ban dating apps and create laws that are a detriment to social media usage, the goal is to force people and communities to meet in-person instead of going online. Promote marriages and relationships as viable solutions for financial and social mobility again. Teach young people the meaning of compromise and reason. As a society we are required to make sacrifices and compromises for the things we want and need. Very rarely will you ever get EXACTLY what you want, but there is such a thing is good…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:23 AM
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What do you mean? If anything people looks way better now than anytime in human history, due to numerous advancements in medicine, technology, and cosmetics. Dating coaches and gurus are a multi-million dollar industry, men are spending thousands of dollars to look good. My grandfather probably doesn't know what skin exfoliating even means and he had 11 kids! You're correct about the USA. However, what you've listed also applies to women. Those things you listed aren't a male-centric issues, tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:32 AM
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Absolutely not. Let's say I don't care about her past, it's still too good to be true considering who I am and where I stand as a person. I can never let go a level of skepticism that I'm either getting prank, played, or set up. There's a particular type of personality that a woman has to decide to become a pornstar, and I'm not compatible with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 11:15 PM
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More like trapped in perpetual situationships, where the woman thinks they're in a relationship or things heading there but the man has no intentions but doesn't communicate it. Also, Most of these studies are self-reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 11:01 PM
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Men typically insult and shame women who goes through a cycle of relationships/hook-ups with shitty men, and then instead of introspecting and reevaluating what it means to be in a healthy relationship they either damned EVERY guy or put the settled for/good dude through the wringer. Men are told to lower their standards all the time, it's almost engraved in almost every guy's psyche to know where he stands in terms of attractiveness. The attractiveness isn't binary, the world isn't divided in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 09:54 PM
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But no one is forcing nor coercing into dating men aren’t attracted to, there’s no metaphorical gun place onto women’s heads telling to fuck a fat slob. The point is that we can’t have it all, no man or woman has it all. This doesn’t only benefit men, it benefits everyone because we want a society that practices healthy relationships. And from the looks of how everything is going currently, relationship standards have devolved into “just be as physically attractive as can be, so that people can …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:31 PM
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The undesirable men in this context are regular men who either struggled to attract women or told to wait until they’re older to find a woman. The problem is that these men want to be in a loving and reciprocal relationship, but it seems like the older we get the worst pool becomes. Believe me if it were simple jaded and bitter women wouldn’t be diluting the dating pool. I agree that women men want they’re attracted to, but discernment is important. I refuse to believe that women are slaves to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:50 PM
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People who tends to be extremely dangerous and toxic tends to show themselves very early. They aren’t exactly trying to hide their toxicity, personality and true colors comes out in increments that piles up over time. If you married a guy and wondering how he ended up punching holes into the wall, the man showed obvious signs before he brought that diamond. People tend to excuse poor behaviors and red flag when they’re in love deeply attracted to the person. If you want a guy who isn’t toxic, da…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 11:59 AM
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I think you misunderstood my point, the issue isn't the difficulty but whether if the reward is worth the effort. Is the juice worth the squeeze? I'll use myself as in example, I'm fit (not shredded), college educated, have a good paying job, have hobbies/passions, and a social life. I've made a effort since I was a teen to make something out of myself under the impression that my hard work and who I built myself to become would pay off... and long story short I received nothing but disappointme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:46 PM
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The problem isn't that those things are too much work, but that cost and reward ain't matching. The reward or lack-of isn't worth all that effort. We're currently living in a era where young men are becoming WAY more conscious about their self worth and presentation, in ways that older men have never even thought about when they were younger. Terms like "looksmaxxing" are slowly entering the mainstream and male-dating coaches is a lucrative industry making billions of dollars. Basically, men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:31 PM
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I want someone who I can share my life with. I want to feel loved, valued, and admired and vice versa. There is no other answer, it’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:42 PM
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I get annoyed because I don’t relate to the slightest to their lifestyle and values. These people don’t have the slightest clue of what’s it like to be the average man, and when I mean the average man I’m talking about 40-50k earning men who works 9-5/7-3 40 hour week. These men want a family and sense of purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:39 PM
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I have a hard time believing that we have abundance of men practicing total risk avoidance, and blaming women off a whim. What's actually happening is that due to a combination of negative social reinforcements, influence of social media, and exposure to depths of our sexual dynamics through widely available studies and research. Men are becoming more hesitant, cautious, and vigilant to approaching and courting women. Undesirable men would ask out a couple of women or even just read social cues,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:02 AM
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Their entire worldview is based on strict avoidance of anything that might risk the slightest possibility of being hurt Isn't that basic survival instincts? Risk assessment is hardwired in all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 12:38 AM
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I don't think it's entitlement, it's more to do with a combination of numerous signals, messages, and experiences from subtle to overt throughout a lengthy period of time that's creating a particular theme of "Whoa! Hold up! What's going on? I know the world could be unfair and unjust, but I'm doing exactly what I've been told by my elders/culture/environment why am I struggling THIS hard?" Not to mention that people observe others, we observe the types of behaviors that are rewarded and punishe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 12:32 AM
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Most men don't get their cues from romcoms, if anything aren't those mostly consumed by women? Romantic rejection and handling it is an integral feature of being a man. Most men are very capable of being put down, sure it'll suck but they can handle it. However, most men don't have the heart or self-esteem to go through back to back rejections which is why I'm very against the numbers game. There's a difference between entitlement and expectations. This is the equivalent of busting your ass for …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 12:01 AM
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What they got right is identifying men’s issues and dating dynamics from a realistic and grounded level, that you’ll never hear from most people. What they got wrong is viewing relationships from an adversarial and transactional lens. Too much pontification and self fulling prophecies on social and sexual dynamic that doesn’t require that much thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:29 PM
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In order to secure something, you need the option to get it. Which is why having an abundance is better than having nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:18 PM
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Temporarily is better than nothing. Temporarily is how most people these days get experience. Temporarily is enough for someone to never get over a relationship or fling. Sure, plenty of people got tired of their shit but they aren’t out of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:58 PM
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Right?!? I would read or hear stories like these wondering ain’t no way that you didn’t see any signs before he put that diamond on your finger. Antisocial behaviors and tendencies aren’t easy to hide in long periods of time, it will come out in tiny bursts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:52 PM
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I’ve been around the block and have seen it all, a lot of women I know don’t care if you have a shitty personality if you’re hot enough and I’ve seen decent dudes stuck in situationship because the woman isn’t attracted to them. This is why when you go on social media or even talk to women about their past relationships, the first thing that comes to mind is “why did date this dude? The red flags are all there.”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:31 PM
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People don’t act in ways for the sake of it, people behave according to what rewards or punishes them. If a man sees another, getting away with being an asshole attracts women if they’re hot and them being a decent person isn’t working… at one point they have ask what’s the point of being a good person. There are numerous of threads on this subreddit and even speaking to women I’m friends with who doesn’t care about a man being a good person if he isn’t attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:25 PM
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I agree that men shouldn’t strive to be assholes for various of reasons. But simple observation shows that if you’re attractive enough, you can get away with a shitty personality… which raises the question of why be a decent person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:50 PM
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Good looks get men through the door, and being an asshole is an amplifier to that attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:45 PM
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1.) An asshole in the context of dating, is a man who exhibits a large amount of narcissistic or even downright dark triad traits that are perceived as confident, assertive, dominant, and exciting. 2.) It’s because most men are taught to be benevolent towards women since childhood, especially in advent of the discourse surrounding rape culture, MeToo, and 3rd Wave feminism. It takes a lot willpower to be an asshole if you’re aren’t narcissistic. 3.) I wouldn’t argue women dating “assholes” are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:41 PM
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I’m a black man who grew up in the inner city where I get shape ups every month and would never step outside without taking a shower or dressing crazy. Most I know guys don’t look or smell bad. I’m not willing to drop money buying a bunch of facial creams and beauty supplies, spend a bunch of time applying that to attractive the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:27 PM
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Aren’t women more interested in eroticas and spicy romance novels than videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:16 PM
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I’m not about to drop hundreds or maybe a thousand dollars to increase my attraction, I’m too busy for that. As long as I have good hygienic habits, dress well, do my hair, and take care of my body that should be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:10 PM
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The question shouldn’t be whether if they want but a question of opportunity vs. nothing at all. I would rather be surrounded by a mediocre restaurants and affordable grocery stores, than to be in a food desert. I would rather have the opportunity to easily get causal sex from an attractive woman, because there’s a possibility that there’s a woman within those choices that are long term relationship options. Also, if you can get causal sex, then you’ll have an easier time entering a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:35 PM
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In a world of equal rights there's no compelling reason to treat women's issues as society's problem but men's issues as the sad soul's problem. Either give the same bootstraps argument to everyone or accept that inequality cuts in multiple directions to be addressed. THIS! You can't have your cake, eat it, and pull the ladder up and then talk about equal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:48 PM
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She's not. Well I mean she is in a broad sense of the stripping of reproductive rights and repeal of roe v wade and so on, but lets just say she is not facing debilitating inequality. The average income is around 40k. Why would she be a good example of the inequality the average woman faces, or even of the average anything? Ah, yes when she comes back to her nice house from her well-paid job, and has like 3 dudes (who aren't terrible men btw) in her DMs trying to get her attention by sending her…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:37 PM
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First, fringe groups (lets just use the alt right since that's what I initially chose) do share information with the outside and appear publicly. The "Unite the Right" rallies were a perfect example of this, and were widely challenged...from the outside. What those groups do not tolerate are challenges from within the group, which is true of the manosphere. The same thing occurred with Antifa for an example on the left. Widely opposed from the outside with no tolerance of opposition or challenge…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:30 PM
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But the difference is that traditionally most fringe cult groups operate in secrecy and remotely, most don't allow members/followers to share information to the outside. Their views are rarely challenged. While the manosphere do have a issue of grifters manipulating failing/dissatisfied men to giving them money, they're willing lay out their entire views and opinion openly on the table. Male dissatisfaction and disassociation are rapidly growing issues, and there's little discourse about it so w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:22 PM
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The manosphere exists because they are very real issues men of all ages are facing that the mainstream either ignore, downplay, or straight up place fault onto them. As of right now, there's very little discourse around men's issues in the mainstream because there's no incentives to care about it. So now every couple of years some guru with a cult of personality pops up grifts and manipulate insecure and downtrodden men into giving them money and fame, only to moonwalk into the sunset when the j…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:11 PM
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If someone is placing a bunch of rules and restrictions onto you relative to past partners, either they aren't into you OR they're raising standards. It's most likely the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:41 PM
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Good looks doesn’t equate to good genetics, especially thousands of years ago. If you actually read my post you would’ve understood. Thousands of years ago the men who procreated were the ones who were useful to their communities and tribes. Having “good looks” wasn’t one of them, if you had good looks and can’t do jack shit you were abandoned. Not to mention that the bigger your body count the higher likely of you contracting a STD. Meaning the most attractive and sexually promiscuous people mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 11:14 AM
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Men are going to start paying women for their time and attention in a large scale, and there will a bigger emphasis on looks than 2024. The trust between the gender will further eroded. It's already happening in small doses, we have men paying for a woman's rent, bills, and beauty supplies (i.e. nails and hair). Gone will be the days where you ask a woman out on a date/brunch/coffee to see where things go or buy a woman a drink for a conversation. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a trend…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:58 AM
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The point of the post is that there's a possibility of a market incentive in the future, to create a simulated reality. People are becoming atomized and lonely, there's a demand for intimacy. A couple of aspects of science fiction generations ago, are slowly coming into existence in increments. If such a thing comes to existence, we would act accordingly where laws and regulations are going to be put into place to deter negative consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:36 PM
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Yeah, I've seen Her. It's was an interesting movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:27 PM
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Yes, and instead of improving yourself and looking for real relationships, you'll resort to using robots. Yes, one of the biggest problem that both genders are facing is whether the juice is worth the squeeze. There are plenty of men and women who aren't getting sufficient results despite their best efforts. Self-improvement is a 13 billion dollar industry and dating/life coaching is a 9 billion dollar industry, people are spending large amounts of money and time to better themselves and find pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:25 PM
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Exactly what I'm talking about, but more advanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:11 PM
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I'm talking about VR becoming so advanced it can transfer your consciousness and all senses into a VR world where you can actually feel, smell, touch, etc etc. The simulated world of San Junipero in Black Mirror, is an example of what I mean. As in you have another life in a simulated world where you can multiply and have kids. Can aiming for that goal a detriment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:09 PM
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I don't get all these people who say AI will be your singular wife or gf They sound like a bunch of romantic weirdos This was actually the major plotline in the movie Her lol. You can argue that it can only mimic 20 - 40% of the feminine SMV, but there already are virtual OF models and Youtube creators that are gaining attention and attraction. Now imagine if they be psychical and receptive? It will cause men and selective women to stay inside more, but it seems as if the issues are getting a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:03 PM
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From my experience hanging out with nerds and weebs, coomers and porn-addicted men are unstable and a giant mess. So I'm not surprised that women have a "no porn" policy. That being said, if you catch your boyfriend watching porn, messaging OF models, or hiring an escort it's probably due to lack of intimacy and sex. If you're going to place a no porn rule onto men, then you also have to recognize how important sex is or else he'll find it somewhere else. Keep in mind that most sex worker client…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:17 PM
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Most mature guys who are in relationships with younger women probably share similar economic classes, education/intelligence, and interests. It's no surprise to see an older college professor marrying a young grad student or a wealthy man marrying a younger attractive woman who also grew up with wealth. Those types of women tends to not be sugar babies, especially grad students because those who are in that position are extremely driven and have an good idea of what they want to accomplish once …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:58 PM
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I would say that a mature man is more willing to take a young woman, than a mature woman dating a man. A immature and opportunistic woman would have a hard time locking down a man who’s mature and put together. If you look at the average sugar daddy, those men are usually desperate, sex-addicted, and have various of other vices.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:18 PM
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Two reasons: The woman is too immature, young and inexperience to decipher male maturity outside of the material and psychical. The older mature men wants competent women who can compliment their lives. Mature men sees through immature opportunists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:59 PM
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Oh boy, you'll be surprised of the amount fucked up shit that goes down in the inner city.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:30 PM
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Ah, now it makes sense. I grew up somewhat similar where the majority of my family members are college grads except for my father, funny enough everyone except me and my brother went to med school. I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, if you have to constantly guide and micromanage a teenager around like a lost and confused puppy... yeah they're definitely going to struggle as adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:15 PM
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You can throw in a bunch years and laws to explain how recent it was, but at the end of the day whether if it's 2024, where women have equal autotomy to men in West or centuries ago where they're considered lesser than, as a collective they were always taken care of by broader society.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:03 PM
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I mean the 70s was half a century ago lol, but the point remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:54 PM
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And I also disagree with the person you're responding to. Most people in general don't think ahead or mapped out their lives. Funny enough it took maturity for me to realize the astronomical amount of grown adults who're just winging it in life. Your daughter is very unique. As someone who finished college with zero-debt, attending and finishing it isn't a marker of maturity or responsibility. Hell, if you don't play your cards right or the country falls into a economical downturn, it could be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:50 PM
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To be fair, the gender's school performance is similar to IQ. Men's IQ and school performance are in a wider spectrum than women's. As someone who also took AP and college credited courses back in high school, the boys in my class were EXTREMELY driven to an autistic level compared to the girls in those same classes. But the boys who had terrible grades were significantly worse than the girls. I also wouldn't correlate drive and school performance to maturity. The brightest people I knew tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 02:57 PM
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Guys have to learn to compartmentalize their attraction Holy shit this is an extremely important skill that a lot of grown men don't have. The lack of sexual discipline is wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 02:48 PM
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Women body develops faster than men by average? Yes. But if you're talking about emotional and mental maturity, it depends on so many factors. When I was a teen, the girls back in middle and high school dated college guys because they present the image of maturity like a car, part-time job, or if they're lucky live with roommates. What was common was all those girls were told that they were mature and wise for their age by those men only to be manipulated and abused due to their lack of maturity…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 02:32 PM
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I don't really see a lot of women in complete depression or in disarray for not having peak female beauty, unless they're disfigured or way below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:44 PM
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Women, simply because as a collective will always be taken care. It's not to say that women are living life in God mode in Minecraft, nor am I ignoring the historical oppression and issues they've faced especially when you further into the past. But one thing that has always been consistent throughout most of human civilization is how protective we are towards women, regardless of how in the distant past we treated them like property, second-class, or the "lesser sex." The safety and lives of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:30 PM
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I would rather have the experience of being the worst player and learn about it, than to never be in the team and wondering what could’ve happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 11:48 AM
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The problem with most people’s standards is that it’s based off of negative experiences meant to place future partners in a test that wasn’t placed on past partners. Also most rules and standards are relative, if someone is placing a bunch of rules and tests on you most likely you’re not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 11:38 AM
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I don’t subscribe to outwardly presenting traditional masculine traits, my traits is combination to what I was taught and values. I also don’t believe that home maintenance should be strictly based on gender, if I’m a better cook or have more time for childcare I have no problem alleviating the responsibility from my partner. If my parent knows a thing or two about electrical work or makes more than me I have no problem letting go her take the wheel on those. Household roles to me is based solel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 04:23 PM
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Having a mixed-gender group of friends who goes outside and have some success. The best advice is observation and experience, people tend to rub off from successful individuals like the saying “your friends are your reflection.” There shouldn’t be a place or figure you go to for dating advice because when it comes to dating, personal experience is extremely important. You can read and highlight notes from Dale Carnage or Robert Greene all you want but if you don’t put it into practice it doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:25 PM
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A man who values and presents traditional masculine traits, not just in income but also in competency. What I would imagine is an emotionally stoic man who is skilled and competent in various of home maintenance and physical labor. A man whose virtues comes from conventional wisdom, regardless of relevancy. Also a hard worker who values ideals of hard work. Btw I don’t prescribe to some of those ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:09 PM
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We tend to think men who struggle with dating come from a vacuum, and have no observational skills. When they're arguing about psychological problems or therapy, it's less to do with avoiding/excusing their own issues and more to do with them observing other men who're a lot worse then them. I went to therapy from high school to my 2nd semester of college, and although it helped stop ruinating and spiraling thoughts. However, not only it didn't help me find a partner but I couldn't help to see P…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:53 PM
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Being smart and able to defend your ideas is one thing, but he prides himself as someone who ethically and morally consistent and argues with people with the intention of exerting his beliefs especially during his RedPill Arc lol. It's hard to see him as a positive masculine figure when he went on multiple redpill/manosphere detracting and arguing against their principles (which I agree with him on in principle)only to realize that not only he personally shares similar behaviors as the redpiller…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:55 AM
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Crazy how drastically different two people with similar first and last names, but one letter off are lmaooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:38 AM
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Destiny is an odd guy for sure, but I fail to see any positive masculine traits from him. She a man's girlfriend, has opens relationships cause he kept cheating on his ex-wife, and had an unhealthy causal relationship with a woman who's unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:35 AM
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He stole a fan's girlfriend and married her. He had an on and off causal relationship with a mentally unstable woman named Ana. He knows that she's unstable but doesn't care. The reason he's in a open relationship is because he kept cheating on his ex-wife before Melina. I don't think Destiny is malicious nor evil, but he's definitely not a good person let alone a positive masculine figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:30 AM
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Hank Hill Kamina Mr. Rogers Steve Irwin Post-GoW 3 Kratos Goku My favorite masculine characters/figure are clearly strong both in will and physicality, but also have a gentle, soft, and goofy disposition that they are not afraid to hide. I used to look up to Goku and Kamina as a kid because those two have strong masculine traits in terms of psychical determination, competitiveness, domineering but they're also extremely sweet and kind. Goku is biologically and mentally hardwire to fight for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:22 AM
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It's not really "the truth" if there are plenty of men who doesn't have to do any of those things to get a date. That's the off-putting part, the part where you take a back and ask "do I really have to do all that?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:17 AM
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No, my point is that when you're telling a man who's struggling to find a date that he must embark in self-improving therapeutic journey before finding a date, while most people never have to do it or even think about it... it puts them off. I only chose violent men as an extreme example of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:51 AM
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Usually whenever someone is unhinged, we tell them to either chill, relax, or "you're doing too much." Majority of the time whenever we tell someone to "get therapy" it's meant to shut them down, similar to "who hurt you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:40 AM
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To be fair their plenty of psychology fucked up men, especially those who lean on the violent spectrum that has no problem getting pussy. You can argue that those types of men only date broken women, but at the end of the day they're getting more pussy and love regardless. Now I don't know the dude you're talking about, but what I do know is that it's hard to convince someone that the need to go on a self-improvement therapy journey to find a date when the majority of people has never even thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:35 AM
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Sure real connections are beyond sex, but sex is the ultimatum. Sex is what separates romantic relationships and platonic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:58 AM
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For the majority of men it's honestly #2. Anyone who says #1 is either coping or has a comfortable social/romantic life. Let's keep things a stack, the majority of us are not destined for a life of complete freedom to do whatever we want. Yes, you must build and have your own life, but for what? When you get older you start to introspect on and recognize your mortality. There will come a day where you won't have the energy to properly do the things you like or even perform your hobbies proficien…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:11 PM
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What's not important about investigating the plight of a lot of young men in the west? I swear we always moan and talk about how SO MANY men today are offing themselves, depressed, lonely, and lost in a bunch of podcast. And for once, our government is at least aware of the broader aspects of the problem. Also we spend about 7 billion cancer research, we can do both lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:08 PM
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To be honest, I rather our tax dollars being used to collect information and build studies around these spaces and subject, for the sake of having eyes on the underline issues. Than to have our heads in the sand pretending there isn't a giant shift in the cultural psyche, while every year we get a new masculinity guru figure grifting young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:47 PM
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I wish we can just toss away the word charisma, and replace it with vibes. Charisma just like confidence is extremely abstract. It's basically narrowed down to "I like being around this person, they seem interesting."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:40 PM
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No, the idea is to attract and date an inexperienced naive woman cause they're easier to control and manipulate, most dudes don't think or live this. Men don't typically discard their girlfriends or wives after 30, it's that they don't want to date single women who are over 30 because of likely chance of baggage. It is somewhat true that after a certain age, women do lose SOME of their looks after mid-30s unless she's the very few who are extremely wealthy and a health nut. What usually happens …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:33 PM
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I’m not flat out asking for exclusivity on the first date. However, I cannot be committed if I have one foot in another out cause “I’m keeping my options open.” I’m talking about long term relationships, not just sleeping with her. Also, it has nothing to do with making a move cause there many situations where men make a move but the women tells them that want to take things slow, but have no problem fucking their exes on the side until she wants to make things official. I came from a world wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:55 PM
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When I say “for less” what I’m talking about is there are rules women put on certain men. For example, I have a coworker and a friend who had men take them out on multiple dates taking things slow, while having another dude fucking on the side. I guarantee you if they were to tell those men that they’re seeing and fucking other dudes other than them despite not being official, those men will feel some type of way. That’s what I mean by “for less.” I’m not entertaining a woman who expects me to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:32 PM
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I ask for exclusivity on the first date, it’s something that builds up after time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:19 PM
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I call it virtues and standards. If I’m looking for a long term relationship, I’m not going to juggle multiple women at a time. How I can be committed to someone if I’m keeping options open? This is why modern dating is so broken and fucked up. We have no interpersonal trust. Maybe I’m just built different, but I cannot take a woman seriously if I’m on a list of men she’s dating throughout the week. How am I supposed to take in the idea of having rules and regulations put on to me, but she’s out…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:18 PM
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How am I supposed to feel if I were to take a woman out on a couple dates, put in effort, time, and commitment only to find out that she slept with another dude who didn’t have to put the work in, I would also feel like I’m setting up for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:52 PM
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If I’m going on a date, I’m pretty sure the woman I’m with expects a level of commitment from me. If I’m spending money and time to prove my worth and commitment, I expect the same from her. Not going spend money and energy on a girl who sleeps with another man for less, it’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:42 PM
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Where did I say I don’t or wouldn’t commit? I only go on dates and focus on one woman at a time, cause I actually believe in commitment. If you give me rules and restrictions but I find out that some other dude circumnavigated it, it’s a wrap. No way I’m entertaining the idea of spending money and energy on a CHANCE to become exclusive if some other dude can just sleep with her for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:21 PM
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That’s my point, if I show up to a date and put in the work and money that’s me asking for commitment. How am I supposed to feel if I find out that the woman I took out on a date with, slept with another man a couple days before? If I’m on a date with someone I expect a level an of exclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:01 PM
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Me personally, I don’t think it’s fair or morally right for a man to put effort, money, and energy to make something work and a woman to have one foot in and another out to “keep their options open.” I mean like what’s the point? Regardless, if you sleep with them on the first date or not. This was the type of shit that’s gives me anxiety when I was single, I kept thinking behind my head “I’m spending this much money and energy on her… but what if she’s fucking another dude for less?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:36 PM
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I’m against this because it incentivizes women to put little effort as possible to make any relationship work with a man. Let put it like this, imagine as a man having to put your best foot forward, be on your Ps and Qs, and spend money on a woman who probably went on 3 different dates before you during the week? It makes you feel disposable. But this is the reality of dating, there’s not a thing I can do about that. Another reason I’m against it is because once you become aware of this, you bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:32 PM
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Heavy on “if she’s putting out for other dudes but making rules for me, I’ve got no business with her.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:12 PM
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Is this a real question? How does it look spending money, time, and energy on a woman. Just for her to sleep with another man?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:09 PM
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This. If we’re in the talking stage and she’s talking to another dude in the DMs or went on another coffee date a week before, I don’t care just don’t let me know about it. But if I’ve been on multiple dates and we’re still talking, I’m expecting exclusivity. She has to choose. If I find out she’s been sleeping with other dudes during ANY stage it’s a wrap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:06 PM
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Honestly, this is a tough question because there's nothing more heartbreaking than to split up from a kid who likes and respects me as a role model/parental figure. Where I'm from I don't have to worry about child support if we aren't married and she's already receiving child support from BD. If we were to breakup she has the veto choice whether if she wants me to ever be in the kid's life again. I wouldn't fight 50/50 custody, her BD has joint custody and they have an amicable relationship othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:07 AM
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Bro what?... Most men want to have sex with women that wants them. Having sex with a artificial womb is like two steps above fucking a escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:10 PM
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I’m currently dating a single mother with a daughter and even she understood this lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:25 PM
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Most people are benevolent at best, if anything the worst trait both genders have is selfishness and lack of stable virtues. The root difference is the lack of perspective due to no live experience. I can intellectualize and empathize with the issues women go through with but I cannot FULLY understand it unless I lived it first hand, same goes vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 03:58 PM
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What falsehoods are being thrown around? I think what saying is totally fair and should be the standard. I’m just plainly answering OPs questions about single mothers 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 03:41 PM
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It had to be said, one thing a lot of women don’t understand due to not being a man is that by having a child you’re asking another man to take on the responsibilities for a kid that’s not his. They need to ask themselves what can they do to justify him helping you raise a kid. You need to do WAY more than most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 01:50 PM
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More the reason I would advise men away from dating single mothers. You answered your own question in OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 01:31 PM
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I agree there are situations outside of a woman’s control but I beg of you to try view it from the perspective of a man. If you’re a single mother looking for a man especially a childless, what you’re asking for is something beyond standards of the average woman, solely due to you having a child. I’m not just helping with housework but I’m helping to raise a child that isn’t mine. I don’t any problems dating a single mother, I just have higher standards and expectations for them than childless w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:02 PM
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I wish the world worked exactly as you perceive it. I wish there was a device to switch genders to understand the other side. What bothers most men is that they don’t want to be the second backup choice for a woman’s mistake. Yes, single mothers want to be taken care of. Children are a hassle and take up so much time, energy, and money. They want to relived from some of the responsibilities of being a single parent and cared for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:09 AM
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If we breakup, whatever happens to the child after is in her jurisdiction. Whether or not me and the kid has a solid relationship, if we breakup chances are we may never see to each again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:25 AM
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When I say going through hell and back what that means is to be able to handle crisis like economic downturns, job loss, etc. I need to be able to trust the woman that I’m sharing my life with that she wouldn’t jump ship because there’s a couple holes that can be patched up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:19 AM
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She must suck like a hoover. She does, but after vetting her and observing her behaviors she's responsible and had a head on her shoulder even prior to dating her. But if it doesn't work out, then it's whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:56 AM
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If it works out and everything stacks in place, maybe. Who knows what will happen in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:52 AM
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I keep myself in shape, I go the barbershop every 3 weeks, I dress myself well, and I know to have fun and flirt. I have a stable career that pays well, I know how to clean after myself, I can cook a couple of meals, and I'm attentive. Cooperation, receptiveness, reasonability, caring, competence and a peace of mind. Basically if she's expecting me to live up to a certain to expectation for her, I expect the same from her. To be able to make compromises, to not constantly chase excitement, consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:48 AM
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Yeah. It was something that we've spoken about extensively before going steady, I basically told her the exact thing I wrote above but in-depth. We reached an understanding and acted accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:30 AM
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As someone who is dating a single mother, you're second priority to her kid and her BD cannot legally disappear from her life. There's a lot baggage that single childless men should never have to go through. Imagine having to raise a child that isn't yours and the BD is still in the picture because they have to pick them up every weekend and send child support money. Another reason is that a lot of men view single mothers as opportunists looking for a man to take care or them and to pick up the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:05 AM
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Yes, there is an innocent man involved. But at the of the day an innocent child who didn’t asked to be born NEEDS a guardian, who’s going to raise the kid when the mother is in prison? I would argue for giving out fines and disqualifying the victimized man from paying child support than putting mothers in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:31 PM
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No, because there's a innocent child involved and it's important that there's someone preferably the biological parent(s) to raise the kid. Putting mothers in prison for paternity fraud will fuck up a child's upbringing worse than single motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:59 PM
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Well I do want love. It's like gambling. We want money, so we gamble, but we can lose it. We want love, so we date, but we can get heartbroken But you're initial argument is that women aren't wired to be loyal and lack virtues, bit of a oxymoron.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:18 AM
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THIS! I was introduced to porn by complete accident through ads on Newgrounds when I was playing flash games. And this was during the late 90s - early 00s when the tube sites didn't even exist yet. So think about how accessible it is today. Back in my father's day he and his friends never owned porn videos or pics, they just had regular magazines with scantily clad women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:08 AM
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Whenever there's an option, there's always a chance. After going through my female friends, coworkers, and even my sister's dating app inboxes I was shocked at the variety of messages they've gotten. I was expecting exclusively dick pics, dudes following hookup/pickup scripts, or dudes straight up offering money for sex but I also saw men who were genuinely putting their best foots forward and trying. It was super rough to read old DMs of a guy who had a decent conversation with a friend of mine…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:58 AM
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If you want to go into the extreme to test your partner's loyalty, you should have a friend who's a super attractive womanizer that can seriously pull women, and introduce your girlfriend or wife to him at a function and just pay attention to how she acts. But seriously, if you think every woman is a hedonistic liar with no virtues then why date or even be friends with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:40 AM
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No, porn is a consumable media that clearly made for sexual arousal. You can be sexually aroused by a PlayStation 5 controller, but that doesn't make it porn. I'm not talking about the act of masturbation, I'm talking about the practices/marketing of the porn industry and how it effects our culture throughout different generations. And yes, I'm of the opinion that the porn we have today plays a role in our societal ills.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:36 AM
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I think whoever has the most unrestricted leverage in the relationship are the most likely to cheat, than just solely gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:21 AM
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The solution to the problem is simple to understand but hard to to practice, knowing when something is enough and to lock it down effeciently. There's always something better out there in the world. A better car, a better house, a better job, better sex, better friends, etc. Human's are blessed and cursed with the traits of acclimation and acquisitiveness, whenever we adopt to a new environment or circumstance we cannot help but to think "Hmmm, I think I can one more" or "Hmmm, I think I can do …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:14 AM
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This, I think men tend to either put up blinders or worse they know but they don't want to end the relationship due to fear of not finding anyone else. If you have good social skills, can read people, and pay attention to patterns you can at the very least tell if someone is hiding, omitting, or lying about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:18 AM
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4 and 6 are the best options, especially 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:10 AM
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Hard disagree, prior to the 2000s porn was extremely hard to access. Before the internet if you wanted to watch real porn you need to go through hoops and the porn that was publicly available were boarderline softcore erotica. For the majority of men prior to the internet all they had to jerk off to was a random magazine that featured a hot woman, hell your father's "Playboy" magazine was barely porn. And how they never went absolutely bonkers or insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:09 AM
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Yes, and that's what happens in long term relationships. Like I said, virtue is useful once you have got your foot through the door. You should vetting for virtue at all times, regardless if you got your foot through he door or not. This is exactly how a lot women wonder how they end up in relationships with dudes who don't know how to wipe their own asses, too focused on how they initially make them feel. Well, that's because virtues in excess aren't good for you. Too much cooperation leads to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 11:26 PM
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I can give you a giant list of virtues, but I’ll name the basic ones temperance, contentment, humility, generosity, cooperation, and chastity. I think this way because from I’ve experienced and even discussed with close female friends and peers, they seem to not care about a man’s virtues but only what he can do for her and what he makes her feel emotionally. Figuring out the gist of a person’s virtue are at, isn’t that hard to analyze. You have to ask the right questions, how does he handle con…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:23 PM
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Right lmao? Like dude is expecting the average joe to learn a whole new language, cultural customs, and leave everything he knew and grew up with to travel to 3rd world country for women. I mean if can he do it, more power to him lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:55 PM
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I'm not redpill btw, I'll answer your questions. Good and bad are value judgements, so when I say "good man" what that mean is "a mediocre, predictable, cooperative man with a set of virtues that he sets for himself and for the woman he wants." Yes, the supply of good men are dropping because having virtues isn't needed or rewarded. Not to mention men with those disposition are more willing to compromise and have high agreeability. There has been multiple threads on this subreddit discussing "ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:50 PM
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When I was in elementary school, there was this one kid who came from well-off family that took him to every Orlando theme park every spring and traveled out of the country every summer, he'll talk about his endeavors nonstop. Until, one kid said "I wish my parents can take me to Universal Studio every spring" and the well-off kid responded with a shrug "It's not even that fun, I don't get why it's a big deal." It's easy to be smug and dismissive when your circumstances are voluntary, for a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:28 PM
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I don’t know a single woman in real life who demands that a guy have six-pack abs, be six-feet tall, and make at least six figures. And I know some very attractive, successful women. It might not be that specific, but I know PLENTLY of women even from my personal circles who either openly demands or subtly nudges on the the princess and spoil treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 11:09 PM
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My bad professor, my sociological education 101 has completely gone over my head. Homogamy is concept of people finding partners through similar life experiences, interests, socioeconomical status, cultural customs and beliefs. The way how people meet is extremely relevant. Dating apps have a array of people of from different locations and various of traits. What we're seeing is a rise people preferring online dating than in real life. Furthermore, what we are also seeing is women getting attent…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:51 PM
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Sad existence is never knowing what you're missing out on and having an opportunity, that most people are indulging in. Like sure... your high school sweetheart or college fling probably cheated and fucked you over, but I would rather someone go through that journey learn a bit about themselves, their experience, and women than to have absolutely nothing. I would rather go to Disney World break my legs on a theme ride as a kid than to never go in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:16 PM
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If that's the case why do younger generations prefer meeting their partners online than their immediate community? There are more couples today meeting online, than mutual friends and even festivals. Not to mention preferences and standards people hold on to others that completely different from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:01 PM
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Yeah you're correct that the median income on OF is less than a fast food worker, but my overall point is the social and culture aspects. For example, there's a gross undercurrent of encouragement and pressure for young attractive women to make an OF account from both genders. Cultures that encourages marriage and monogamy are more prosperous than the alternative, because it's a reliable model that pedals the economic and social stability for the majority. I mean it takes one man and one woman t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:49 PM
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The fact that people (men) where mostly marrying so they could have sex, isn’t necessary a good thing either. I would much prefer that, than the nonsense we're seeing today. I would prefer a culture where we tell regular men "If you want regular sex, than you need to be in a committed marriage." Cause at least it puts pressure on men to do more and it negates unserious men looking for a hookup. My issue has less to do with how amount of sex workers are making. But how a chunk of the business mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:10 PM
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I think you're confusing causal sex with serial monogamy. What's actually the norm is men dating and breaking up with numerous of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 06:17 PM
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I disagree, especially now that we're seeing a rise in porn-addicted men. There's new research showing how porn sickness isn't just affecting men's psyche but our culture at large. What sex before marriage accomplished is a culture where men are rushing and hurrying for sex, and women getting pumped and dumped. Hookup and casual culture has a been net negative to the majority, the only people benefiting are the top small percentage of attractive, wealthy, high social status bachelor men and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 06:14 PM
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The older I get, the more I'm beginning to support a puritanical and social expectations model with stigmas. Just here me out lol. I feel like the major issues with social stigmas and puritanical values in the past is more to do with contradiction of men having the ability to get away with certain debaucheries that women would be crucified for, than actually having a model in the first place. I truly believe that we need bring back the stigmatization of slut shaming but at same time shame men fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 06:02 PM
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THIS! There used to be a time when people paired up others in the similar levels of looks, status, income, etc. But now it seems like there's a cycle or some kind of twisted coming-of-age ritual where young women would date the worst men who are barely hiding their personalities, to eventually end up jaded and placing the sins of a POS onto the men they found less desirable in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 05:41 PM
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Contrary to popular beliefs and men online bragging, the majority of men don't even have the option to pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 05:34 PM
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Sexual revolution and hookup culture hasn't benefited anyone other than accelerate the undercurrent of moral relativism that's currently plaguing our collective psyche. It has not benefited anyone other than a small percentage of men and women on the top, who are monetizing and gaining social status from taking advantage of it. It didn't create equality, because it never meaningfully challenged the sexual dynamics between the sexes and it didn't eliminate stigmas, because it created new ones. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 05:31 PM
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You're not wrong, however, you're only looking at threats from a direct and physical confrontation. The threat level of a person is much broader than levels of physical strength. As a man, I'm not in fear of the physical strength of a woman. I am however fearful of the level of indirect manipulative and underhanded deception. Basically, men pose a threat through physical intimidation, while for women it's deception and manipulation. Men have NOTHING to gain but SO MUCH to lose from using physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:35 AM
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So basically abolishing no-fault divorce. Yeah, some men who're anti-marriage might reconsider. I can also see gold diggers and unserious women either dropping out or changing up their act, and I can also see men cleaning up their act. But I think the issue that anti-marriage men have is beyond no-fault divorce and alimony, but how it's a relic from an archaic era that's fading away. In most of human history, marriage was a social and cultural institution that aligned two families to have childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:09 AM
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Yeah, because when I go outside I definitely see mostly men working on utility poles and transformer. 95.6% of electricians are men. 93.8% of construction workers are men. So yes men wired and built your house, and you’re probably mostly likely going to hire one for its maintenance lol. Women’s participation in the modern labor force is relatively new in the entirety of human history. Society rest on the enforcement and infrastructure men run, let me put as bluntly as possible… your rights were …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:09 PM
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Are you sure? I’m working in a male dominated field that’s responsible for your internet access and also send male electricians to your homes to wire it up so you can have the privilege to comment on Reddit through a ISP that is mostly likely being ran by men. The reason you’re living comfortably and free is because men as a collective are benevolent towards women. Life is so convenient that you don’t even need to know or even see the faces of the men who built your house, roads, wiring, plumbin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:36 PM
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What’s stopping men is porn addiction and a lack of sexual discipline. Why start now? Because there clear problems in our current dating/relationship dynamics that disregards men and their thoughts which is why the manosphere is so big online and is spilling into real life. These can addressed and advised both personally and collectively, but if we want culture changes it needs to done collectively. What most men are hoping is for a fairer and respectable dating market where both genders are res…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:09 PM
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The solution is to teach men sexual discipline and stigmatize pornography. We also need to teach men the difference between chasing and pursuing. Men also need to recognize that as a collective they have a lot of power to make social changes, but so many are too porn-brained to take a step back and reconsider their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:00 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:02 PM
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Well it depends on your lifestyle and disposition, and what you’re looking for. Speaking as a man in his late 20s, it doesn’t get better. The older you get the more bitter the pool becomes because all decent partners found each other when they’re younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:52 PM
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Consistency and persistence is the name of the game. Have you seen the amount of DMs most women get from men? They’re not reading all of that and most of the men in her DMs aren’t patient, the strategy is if you pursue and constantly make your presence known she’ll remember and place you as a priority. If you’re average or below you cannot afford not to chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:30 PM
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In a way both of those are true, the kids who could’ve been into alternative culture of yesterday are the non-binary leftists of today. That emo or goth girl from your high school most likely go by they/them these days. Most of the popular subculture artifacts has been driven by men. It’s the reason why back then open-mic lobbies in video games used to be super aggressive and vicious. D&D campaign were mostly held by nerdy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:14 PM
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They would, I mean Kevin Samuel used to have regular women call into his show. Most of these podcast don’t bring regular women because they usually record and stream at night when normal people are sleeping to for a work shift lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:05 PM
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That's insanity, you'll have to be a borderline masochist with no standards and care to his reputation to entertain the numbers game, forget success lol. I don't think most men have the tenacity to approach two women EVERY night. And if you do find success it would be with someone WAY BELOW your preferences. But hey if it somehow works for you, more power to you but I wouldn't recommend this to the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:19 AM
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If we were to go by your 2 group traits, what's happen is that people are more focused on the second trait because it's showing more success and results without putting in the effort than the first. Hence, wondering how a lot of women end up in relationships with a dude with a shit-stained underwear and video game addiction. If a minimum wage dishwasher with only charisma to his name is getting majority of the dates, what the math genius with high incomes are observing is that none of their qual…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:10 AM
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I mean... he isn't wrong. There's a reason people used to literally call it "having game." Courting, flirting, and increasing sexual tension are all performances that requires timing and delivery. Subconsciously, reading and acting upon signals does feel like I'm playing a Resident Evil 4 quick-time event where even a single mistake or missed signal cost you a protentional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:17 PM
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I disagree, having positive traits and achievements are CRUICAL for a long term healthy relationship. It is impossible to be the jack of all trades, you're long for a unicorn at that point. Placing attraction all on socialization and entertainment is why so many people, especially women are getting burned left and right. Ever wondered how some you keep ending up in entanglements with screen screaming video game addicts who doesn't know how to wipe his ass? Because all it took for him to sleep an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:57 PM
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I came from a immigrant religious home where my family held on to strict gender and patriarchal roles. That being said my sisters never behaved in a way that confirms the redpill but they definitely abide by traditional gender roles and expectations. A lot of my exposure to the redpill came from outside my home and the media.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 02:47 PM
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Ehh…if you were to told me this 20 or 30 years ago, I would agree but guy above you is correct it’s really not that simple even for men who aren’t ugly but isn’t super attractive. I can’t just approach a woman and flick the flirt switch, I’m not James Bond. I need to read the room, I need to dip my toe into the pool to feel the temperature y’know what I mean? The reason it’s not simple is because back then when you got rejected by a woman the worst she can do is either say no or laugh at you, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 02:11 PM
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Women always make the first move, but it’s not what men think it is. Forget about confidence and charisma for a second, if you approach a woman and she’s showing signs of aloofness, dismissal, and non-communicative no amount of confidence, charisma, or “rizz” is going to make it work. If someone is attracted to you they make it easy for you by discounting and excusing flaws while if they’re not attracted to you every move is the wrong move. Want example of how confidence can work against you, lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:53 PM
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Majority don't shit talk their partner because in all honesty, they want to keep good appearances. The fact that they chose the wrong dude, or the dude that turned rotten, makes them feel dumb for choosing them in the first place. Or maybe one of the core tenets of an healthy relationship is keeping others out of their business and issues. Not to mention that marriages aren't perfect, conflict and disagreements will come up it's natural. Why does relationship and marriages issues have to be fram…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:34 AM
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I don't have an issue women having those options, it's not women fault that there are some men who are willing to bend backwards for them. What I have an issue are women gaslighting, pretending or dismissing the fact that they do have those options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:57 AM
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I truly believe that most women are not always like that. While they may leverage their sexuality for drinks in a bar and talk about it later on, they don’t do that on a daily basis. Call me a cynic or traumatized, but from the direction of the cultural and society winds has been blowing lately there's a shift towards entitlement, selfishness, and opportunistic by sacrificing virtue and integrity. This goes towards for both genders. There used to be a time where a young man can just buy a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:53 AM
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I could do anything if I really wanted to but that’s not who I am as a person and I don’t like treating people with such disregard. I don’t understand what your point is since anyone can do anything to anyone if they simply don’t care but I care about the people I’m friends with and know well. But you have the option, that's the point. You have the option to call up a male friend, ask him out for a date or hookup and he'll be there faster than a barefoot jackrabbit on a hot greasy griddle in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:35 AM
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It's totally cool that you don't take advantage of people, and that you're able set these standards and boundaries. However, most women are not like you and your experience alone isn't convincing enough. This would be a equivalent to saying I known a guy who invited his attractive female friend to his house alone and never made a single move even though they are very touchy and flirtatious, therefore whenever a guy invite a woman to his home she should never think of the possibility of him makin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:18 AM
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What's up with the obsession of the nightmare shit-stain underwear man-child scenario? I'm reading this and I know EXACTLY where it stems from, the language and structure is one that's only born from broken terminally online women. Yes, incels and manosphere do the same. When I go outside and meet couples, or just friends who are married none of this shit actually happens. Whenever I talk to a female friend or coworker about their relationships or marriage, they never describe it as slaving away…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 03:42 PM
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The question isn't if you're encouraging it, but whether if it's possible. Let's get into a hypothetical, lets say that you're a manipulative sociopath and your male friend(s) aren't aware of it. You and your boyfriend want to order takeout, but both of you don't have enough so you come up with the idea to sweet talk a male friend into giving you money, will he do it? Again, this is a hypothetical. I never said you'll call a friend after a breakup, I said verbatim "Do you have a male friend(s) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 03:17 PM
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Simps and friends aren't mutually exclusive, they can be both and they're called orbiters. Do you have a male friend(s) that you know for certain that you can to ask him for something he'll do it in a snap with no questions? Let's say you're with your boyfriend and both of you are pitching in for takeout, in the back of your head if you were to call or sweet talk that male friend for money will he send it to you? Do you have a male friend(s) that hit you up for emotional comfort right after a br…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 02:43 PM
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Jesus Christ... after reading this I'm not gonna lie, but if my current relationships doesn't work out I think I'm going to throw in the towel and prepare a life of loneliness. The lack of empathy and virtues is killing me. I'm sorry but I'm too soft for this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 02:19 PM
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If you read my previous comments on this thread you would've seen this quote: I agree that we should recognize the labor and attention women give to their family, but my goodness do we love to ignore and undermine the value and labor men give to their families and communities. This is literally my entire argument and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:22 PM
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I'm literally a computer engineer, I'm one of the reasons YOU have internet at home so you can reply to my comment. Yes, men did build and maintain the infrastructure and defense of our society. Do you think the very house or apartment you're currently residing at erected out of thin air? No, a team that was mostly made up of men built it and will maintain it when needed. When I go outside and see a construction site for public housing, you know what I see working on it? Men. On my way to work I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:14 PM
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Isn't custodians, plumbers, and wasting management mostly occupied by men? That's more intense then changing diapers. Guy above literally said a coworker had to be hospitalized for handling shit to the face, I don't see a lot new mothers being hospitalized from a baby's shit. But let's say I grant you that. I agree that we should recognize the labor and attention women give to their family, but my goodness do we love to ignore and undermine the value and labor men give to their families and comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:41 PM
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weaponized incompetence HOLY SHIT THIS IS VERY REAL! I don't know why this is never spoken about when discussing toxic feminine traits. There's a lot power in weaponizing incompetence and lack of agency when that person has someone who's willing to bend backwards to fix it. It's selective infantilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:16 PM
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Looking for a father in the sense of spoiling, dominance, protection, and being a handyman. A man who's willing to comfort a "princess/goddess/queen's" outbursts, and give into her demands with little resistance and reciprocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:12 PM
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For one slut shaming was a powerful social enforcer and also the dating pool wasn’t as open and wide as today. If my grandparents who were immigrants BTW were to cheat, it’ll have to be with someone in their small social circle. Back then you’ll have to be a really good lair, tight lipped, and extremely sneaky to get away with cheating. Also if men wanted to cheat with a mistress, he’s essentially giving leverage to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:00 PM
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Yes, humans follows social norms all the time. The existence of social norms is the reason we are on this godforsaken subreddit. Most of materials and comforts we take for granted is build from social norms and culture. Family structure is the foundation to the health of our society, it is the reason the most successful nations in the world are ones that enforces monogamy. Is it really that hard to believe that virtues was an ideal that people actually adhere to in the past? Also nice projection…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:17 AM
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When your grandparents were younger was there a social norm where they would take one person out for a for a date and another for fucking on the side? You not wrong about how back then it was harder to get a divorce and leave an unhappy marriage, but what’s happening today just ain’t it. We’re currently throwing the baby out with the bath water. Those who slept around the past lived a particular lifestyle where if you didn’t dig it, it was easy to stay away from. These days anything goes and you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:16 AM
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We say that we cannot control what we're attracted to, but yet most humans have no problem bouncing from one relationship to another with little similarities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:36 AM
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Maybe YOUR grandparents, but mine were still together until death unironically. No secret family and no secret children because legacy used to mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:31 AM
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I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this but... what we're attracted to has levels of social construction built in. If attraction was an unwavering hardline function, we wouldn't be living in a serial monogamous civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:28 AM
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Man, am I extremely envious of my parent's and grandparent's generation of having hardline social norms even for courting/talking stage. Like holy shit dude...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:12 AM
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Yes, it is what it is. When you're taking a woman out always assume that prior to making the relationship official and serious she is sleeping or talking to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:01 AM
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Mild-manner, respectful, and reasonable men who who can take care of themselves and others but are considered to being too boring because they’re not flying out the gates with excess charm and they’re not “exciting” enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:05 AM
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I guess 🤷🏿‍♂️, but my point still stand
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:00 AM
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What I mean is that a lot of women are easily wavered by emotions and charisma that they overlook the game that is played on them, there was a thread where some women admitted that having good character isn't needed. Abusive men are unintentionally good at this because they themselves are very emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:19 AM
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I don't know how hard is it to recognize a guy who initially showers you gifts, fancy dates, and compliments and then suddenly goes cold. There's no way that you're participating in these types of spaces, and cannot read people's intention unless you're severely autistic or have terrible social skills. Like JDWhiz96 said, there are women who would write think pieces and dissertations dissecting toxic male behaviors and traits down to it's molecule, and you mean to tell me that at the same time w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:11 AM
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How exactly should a woman choose better? Withholding sex throughout a period of time is the ultimate leverage, to test a man's patience and character. Pay attention to how he treats his friends, family, strangers, and even customer service. Take mental notes of his reputation and past amongst his family and friends, and establish a pattern of behaviors Pay close attention to his temperament and reasonability during times of conflict and crisis. If he's aloof, unemotional and unconcerned in conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:58 AM
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When I said the average woman isn't dealing with a 200 IQ Ted Bundy, what that means is that most abusers aren't calculated or carefully planning out every move. Most abusers love bomb and play push-and-pull games. Okay, we're not talking age gaps. We're not talking about grown men dating teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:33 AM
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Arrogance and narcissism are both massive red flags and are both very easy to spot, even with men who actively try to hide those traits. The fact that so many women consistently seem unable to detect arrogance/narcissism in men they’re dating is honestly baffling to me. That's because arrogance and narcissism are usually paired with confidence and charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:24 AM
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Highly skilled predator? I have serious doubts about the average woman dealing with a 200 IQ Ted Bundy. If you're a grown adult with decent social skills it shouldn't be that hard to point out a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:18 AM
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Men understand this very clearly... the problem a lot of men especially the older ones who're inexperienced because either they spent their time building themselves or have a large string of unluck with women, have to bare the sins of a woman's ex. Let me explain. I just turned 28, and my first and only girlfriend is a single mother. This is because most single women who reached my age has collected a history of terrible relationships so what ends up happening is that they either, stay single or…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:51 PM
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There are numerous of women even on subreddit who don't find regular men "good enough" or "having spark."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:19 PM
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That's an over exaggeration. Sure there are plenty of men on the apps who are looking for a lay but there are also plenty of men who wants a relationship. I once did the "Online Dating experiment" where I made a female account, just to see what the other side looks. And man... this whole idea of men are only sending dick pics and making sexual comments is such an exaggeration. I even had days worth of back-and-forth conversations with these men and it's extremely easy to filter out who's actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:17 PM
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Most women knows at least 3 men in their lives that wants to fuck or have a relationship with them, that kind of reality gives people a sense of reassurance and pride. Women are wanted and they know it. There are women that I know in real life has men in their contacts list that they can call up anytime when they need something by dangling a carrot in front of them. I have a friend who's a attorney making good money, that has men giving her their money by sweet talking them and making vague prom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:07 PM
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Dude... you know there's a huge difference between platonic and romantic relationship needs, come on now. Also most men already have meaningful friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:57 PM
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Those the are options that are repeatedly presented to me. I’m not dating losers, I’m dating women with degrees and careers who are doing well. No, they’ll ask for money when they don’t have groceries or too tired to make themselves a meal. Sure we do have sex ofc, but I’m at a point in my life where sex alone isn’t a priority. Yes, I am. All the women I’ve been steady/official with has never done those things. Except for the woman I’m dating now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:26 PM
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I’ve never dated a woman who’ve done any of those things. I’m being 100% serious. I’ve never dated a woman who helped clean or do laundry, but had no problem asking me for money for their own laundry. I’ve never dated a woman who offered to make a meal for both of us, but had no problem asking me for money to buy takeout for her. When I come over to their place I help clean up, wash dishes, and throw out garbage without asking because of common decency but never does it in return unless asked ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:35 PM
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Men are worse at domestic skills than women? Both genders are shit at domestic skills because of modern technology and the number of services to get something done for us. The traditional domestic skills women had were conveniently replaced by the advancement of technology, it’s one of the reasons home eco fell out. Most men aren’t these knuckle dragging dumbfucks who cannot operate a simple washing machine or stove.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:16 PM
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Men do value women “bringing something to the table” the problem is the lack of incentives for women to bring anything. As much as both gender can agree that dating has become a cesspool, women have a huge leverage over men that hasn’t seen before in the distant past. That leverage is the amount of options women have today compared to the past. We can argue choice paralysis and how a huge portion of the dozens of option women are given is hindering them, but how can man who isn’t a complete bum,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:51 PM
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If the man is looking for a serious relationship, what they want isn’t so much different from women. We want stability, reliability, security, reassurance, emotional fulfillment, competency, and inner peace. Speaking as man, it’s hard to those qualities in women these days due to a multitude of societal and cultural factors. Main one, being that relationships to a lot women is like a “pet project” that they can indulge and experiment without completely emerging into it. I’m speaking from persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:32 PM
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This is the best answer in this thread. It's all part of the process and you cannot skip it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:22 PM
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You're correct, most of high school and college sweet hearts I knew are either divorced or separated. Unfortunately, we live in a serial monogamous culture where having sexual or romantic experiences are important when you're younger. It's due to people being put off by and cannot relate to those who never had any sexual or romantic experience after college. Remember those flings and short-term relationships you had back in HS and college, even though those times were brief and flash-in-the-pan …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:20 PM
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Has it ever been different though? I don't see how my father, grandfather or great-grandfather had it any different, possibly worse because being drafted to die in a bullshit war is far worse than any dating issues. We're just the first generations to complain about it on the internet. It was VERY different for our fathers and grandfathers, regardless of the war. Whenever I have conversation with my father about dating and women, he becomes profoundly perplexed at whatever the fuck our generatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:20 PM
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Good to hear you're doing well in the market, but I do think that the reason you're successful is due to age. You're in your 50s looking for women around your age range. Women who're looking for dates around those age ranges tend to have their shit together, take dating seriously, are straight forward, know what the want, and don't play weird mind push-pull games. It is extremely different for younger dudes, because they are men who are fresh out of college and just started their careers competi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:49 PM
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What about companionship, psychosocial support, fidelity, emotional intimacy, enjoyable sex, protection (both kinds) co-parenting, etc.? Those qualities can only be granted and shown through over the course of time, but the problem is that most men aren't given the chance to even blossom and show their qualities due a woman's numerous options and being told that men are not needed. I mean, how do you know if the men on this sub bring such things into their partner's life, when the main issue is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:21 PM
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Doesn't dispel the reality of a man's entire worth and performance in starting a relationship hinges on the whims of a woman's mood that day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:37 PM
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Because it'll force them to re-evaluate their their perception of people and acknowledge that issue isn't solely on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:33 PM
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My point isn't about the amount of people came for or defend the woman, but how her behavior is an extreme example of a toxic dating trend a lot of women are on when dating men and how it shouldn't be normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:41 AM
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Using biology is such a cop-out for what we can all see and agree are toxic and fucked up behaviors that are not okay. Everyone wants and likes sex not just men, women aren’t asexual creatures who surrenders their bodies to men during intercourse. Shaming and calling out toxic behaviors from women isn’t putting them in chains or taking away agency. I’m not the man you’re describing, but if you want to say most men are fat and play video games all day, I’ll grant you that. But let’s not pretend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 11:22 PM
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This is the biggest problem because it pushes men into a corner where they’re forced to ask “What else am I supposed to do to be better?” Assuming that this man has his shit together and is not a weirdo. I’m coming from the perspective of going to multiple dates and recognizing a theme of women exhibiting flaky and one-foot-out kinds of behaviors. This isn’t a issue of simple flat out rejection, but one of imbalanced investment. When I used to go on dates even if it went well, we both had fun, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:57 PM
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How can men reasonably adjust and become better if they’re in a situation where women can throw them away in a snap of a finger? Why should the onus exclusively be on men to change? What are men supposed to take away from a trend of women acting flaky and lacking effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:43 PM
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That is not normal dating, and most men who are looking for marriage aren’t pulling out rings for every girl they match with on Tinder. That woman that recorded and ridiculed her date for taking her to the Cheesecake Factory for their first date, isn’t normal. That woman who cancelled her date because her date didn’t want to cheese on his burger to save money, isn’t normal. Men worrying about women flicking on the “I’m not interested in you anymore, good luck” switch, isn’t normal. The fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:34 PM
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Attraction is an amalgamation of various things. If every human were to only search for EXACTLY what they want in their heads we would’ve gone extinct. Not to mention we would’ve long given up helping people break abusive and trauma cycles.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:13 PM
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What does that mean not to be disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:07 PM
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Wrong, men genetically wired to choose sex with a woman who will carry, raise, and nurture his children. Hotness is a useless trait in a survival setting for both genders. There’s no genetic correlation between hotness and healthy, this is like saying being hot would immune you from contracting HIV or STDs. There’s no such thing as “alpha males having good genetics.” What does that even mean? If women don’t expect alpha males to stick around, why do women wired to expect provision from men? Men …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:59 PM
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This is a bit nuanced. Being a decent person with virtues doesn’t correlate to weakness and fragility. Also, this is 2023 and if you’re in America you are currently living in the safest era in our countries history. We have guns, if some motherfucker who’s the size of Mike Tyson or Arnold Schwarzenegger at their prime want to fuck with you, you can easily turn them into Swiss cheese without ever stepping foot into a gym. Physical strength is no longer needed in our current world. Social skills, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:41 PM
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Women go for men who are capable of providing full stop. The strong alpha men throughout human history were the ones got killed in conflict, while the men who stayed back and provided resources raised children. Let me put like this, if you’re the strong muscle guy in the pack you’re most likely going to be the one to fight and perform dangerous acts which mean there’s a higher risk of you dying. Why would a woman want to be with a man who’s a walking tombstone? Look at the military, it’s a commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:30 PM
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Women go for men who are capable of providing full stop. The strong alpha men throughout human history were the ones got killed in conflict, while the men who stayed back and provided resources raised children. Let me put like this, if you’re the strong muscle guy in the pack you’re most likely going to be the one to fight and perform dangerous acts which mean there’s a higher risk of you dying. Why would a woman want to be with a man who’s a walking tombstone? Look at the military, it’s a commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:30 PM
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It was old school trauma bonding. R Kelly had a knack for manipulating girls by sharing stories about how he got SA’d as a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:03 PM
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Holy shit! I remember this, it was so surreal. It was the same thing with R Kelly when he married Aaliyah when she was 15 and peed on a underaged girl on tape. Women continued going his shows. Ironically, one of his victims was a defender of his and attended his trials.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:58 PM
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Don’t forget the media circus and joke that is R Kelly, he married Aaliyah when she was a child and literally golden showered a underage girl on tape. I distinctly remember women in my community defending and listening to his music.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:49 PM
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I don't see the point in trying to help those who won't help themselves, but I see every reason to help those who are actually trying. I'm gonna go full autismo, what does this sentence even mean? How do you measure and quantify "trying?" How do you know whether someone isn't "trying" enough? It's all relative. Because they never put in a serious effort to move on. I also really hate this "bullying is so traumatic" shit, high school has been over for over a decade for some of these people and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:34 AM
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Nah. Respectfully, fuck that noise. How hard? How hard is it to implement a small dose of empathy? It can really go a long way and can help people better themselves. Maybe they did go through some negative shit, so what? Does that take away their ability to improve their lives? YES! Why do you think so many people who went through past psychological and psychical trauma continue to either struggle or over compensate? The mindset of a human is a collection of experiences and observations that's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:53 AM
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how can you seriously say that college, bars, hobby classes etc. are inappropriate places to approach people? It's because we've been told that! Have you not been paying to the cultural discourse? If you want to argue whether if those places are appropriate to approach, PLEASE take it up with the increasing number of women claiming that they want to be be left alone. Men are told not to approach at the gym, because women want to focus on working out. Men are told not to approach at college, beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:09 AM
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Or... maybe... just maybe... and just hear me out for a second, they went through a number of negative to even downright traumatic social experiences that has shaped them into who they are. You're acting as if these asocial behaviors all come from a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:01 AM
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To be fair, you have to take into consideration how much our cultural, social, and communicational dynamic has change since your youth. When you were a kid, ya didn't have cameras to record awkward men to clown on the internet or group chats. When you were a kid, a young man could take a young woman out first time without dropping $100. When you were a kid, your dating pool only consisted of the men in your immediate community or social circles. When you were a kid, ya would never imagine the ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:46 AM
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I think what he's talking about is that compared to a unattractive man, a physically attractive man would have more success cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:25 AM
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Ah now it makes sense sorry for the confusion lol, I don’t frequent at bars or clubs. I stopped drinking ages lol. Im in my late 20s bar and club has changed so much these days for what I heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:19 PM
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Please refer to the sentence that is after “Yes, and water is wet.” And read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:10 PM
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Does a man expect sex for the duration of the marriage? Yes, and water is wet. I would imagine a married couple having a solid sexual chemistry prior to getting married. No one said women aren’t allowed to enjoy sex, it’s quite the opposite I think it’s important for women to enjoy sex with their partner. You forgot to add the sentence after the quote that contextualize it, which is how it takes time to build a healthy relationship and it cannot build it if it’s solely based off of “do I feel bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:57 PM
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Frustration doesn’t come from a vacuum, I’m very sure that if a frustrated or struggling man were to run into a flirty woman they’ll reciprocate with fun and humor. To throw in dome personal anecdotes, majority of the men I knew who were really popular with women were known for building a roster of side chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:46 PM
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Rapport, vibes, comfort needs to be mutually built before building tension, most men especially younger ones, despite having an overt sex drive don’t walk out gate instantly oozing with sexual tension. Flirting is like a dance that starts off slow but slowly builds up overtime. Also we’ve cultivated a culture that told men that they are scary horny creatures who are moments away from assaulting women, creating extremely stiff and boring men who plays it safe and hyper focus on a woman’s safety/c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:37 PM
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Anyone in a proper setting could be flirty and funny, it’s not exclusive to fuckboys and bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:10 PM
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Attraction is flimsy and fleeting, its a flow that either comes or passes for little reason. Healthy relationships aren’t based out of “butterflies in the stomach”, it’s based out of solid foundation that takes time to build. It is the reason why most couple find each other through similar social circles and spaces. It is the reason we always hear stories like “when I first met my husband, I thought he was ugly but over time he won me over.” Basing you’re entire relationship on “sparks” is the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:04 PM
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But that’s the problem, most women are the latter. No matter what I have to work harder and put in more effort but that requires patience, which a lot women don’t have in that instance. It sucks that I have my shit together with hard work in terms of education, career, hygiene, passions and social skills but struggle because there’s no instant “tingles” but I constantly hear from women both online and irl about how they’re dating men who don’t even know how to do their own laundry or wipe their …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:22 PM
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Then why come so many women end up with bad boys? It can’t be solely because of confidence and dominance, those traits aren’t unique to “badness.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:10 PM
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Speaking as a man, it’s extremely important to build a healthy mutually gratifying sex life with your partner. I don’t just want to have sex, I want to have sex with a woman who exclusively wants me and is satisfied. I think most men are somewhat similar in the sense, which is why a lot of lonely men don’t want escorts despite being deprived of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:07 PM
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Every guy I know who gets ample pussy (no matter if he’s Chad, Chad Lite, funny, famous, suave, average, whatever, 5’7 or 6’4) has been called annoying or a creep or “doing too much” by some chick somewhere at some point. It’s part of the learning curve. Is this not what you said? Cause, there's a whole ass difference between what you said there and simply "misreading a situation" or playing numbers game. I don't mind if you backpedal, but at least acknowledge how fucking weird that quote was.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 12:18 AM
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Exactly, a single date isn't enough show off the entirety of my personality. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not like the men in your favorite romlit or the movies but jeez... if the date went well and we both had a good time, can't we at least try to build something out of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 10:23 PM
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Nice try, but that was not the argument. No one is arguing who craves sex more. Creepiness is not biology, annoying is not biology, being a sex pest is not biology. Your initial point was that being annoying or a creep is apart of a learning curve that men needs to go through in order to attract women. The argument against it, is that due to social and culture norms that we created, those types of behaviors would most hurt men and women (being a sex pest.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 10:16 PM
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I think the beef men have with that is they believe women should give the “slow burners” a chance. The men who aren’t obviously attractive to that woman; in hopes a woman will grow into finding him attractive. Ding ding ding. As a man who's average looking and presence isn't oozing with charm, one of the reasons I'm struggling is because all it takes to determine my romantic worth is on a single date. Oh, I missed a signal or two? I'm giving off too much of a "friendly vibe?" Like an instant sna…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:23 PM
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What men call "tingles", is what women call "spark." The reason men are framing "tingles" and "spark" so negatively is because it fall into the stereotypical "women makes most decisions solely out of emotions." It's the very reason every week this sub would have a thread on why do women always date bad boys, it's not because bad boys are the only types of men who shows confidence and dominance. It's because women feel "tingles" and "spark" for those men. The reason men in the pill/manosphere spa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:13 PM
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I hear this a lot from women, they're not attracted to extremely ripped sub 15% bf men. Same for women, I love a curvy woman with a chubby dimples, a bit of love handles, and a bit of a belly they're super warm and cuddly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:19 PM
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That is not biology... that is learned behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:14 PM
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It's not about how you interpret the message, but the tone, context, and delivery.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:57 PM
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Oh come on 🙄... don't be obtuse and act like you don't understand patronization. You know that when someone tells someone to go touch grass, it's meant to be taken an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:40 PM
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100% agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:31 PM
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There's an aesthetic of fat for both men and women. Culture, posture, fat distribution, facial structure, and overall style all play a role in attraction. When people say they're not attracted to fat people, I think the image they have in their heads are a morbidly obese mouth breathing hog sticking their heads in a tub of melted cheese. Cause when I go outside, I don't see a lot of shredded or slim people holding hands or kissing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:30 PM
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It depends because there's a huge difference between this, this, this, this, and this they're all medically considered to be at least overweight or higher but notice the myriad of differences between of those women. I'm not an expert, but the way a woman's fat is distributed and her aesthetics matters the most and not every fat girl is the same. Personally speaking I find fat girls cute and attractive. And I'm not just talking about hourglass shape curves but even a little bit of belly like this…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:17 PM
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I can answer that questions easily. I have a college degree, I live on my own, and I take care of my health therefore that woman doesn’t have to worry about “babying” me. I’m incredibly patient, reasonable, and thoughtful due to my healthy relationship with family and friends. Hell, when a teen I was that one friend that everyone was comfortable venting and talking to because I don’t judge or patronize. I’m competent and somewhat handy due to growing up with sisters needing my help and my father…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 12:05 AM
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The less social media usage the better, I’m a very private man who prefer a quiet life. People who are very active on social media tends to be obsessed with attention and are constant thrill/spontaneous seekers. I don’t my relationship to be an accessory or content for anyone to know everything about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:29 PM
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It’s because we’ve taught people that sacrifice and compromise is a weakness and a suckers game, and that we should have it all without giving back. A lot of the complaints simply comes down to how much we should receive and give back. I would love to be in society and culture where simple acts of sacrifice, compromise, and thoughtfulness could be reciprocated but nope, we’re playing the transactional meta game of how much one can do for another without doing squat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:28 PM
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When I was growing my parents always told me that we are who we surround ourselves with. Y'know Garbage in Garbage out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:50 PM
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Call me corny or immature, but can people just be together for reasons simple as affection, intimacy, companionship, thoughtfulness, empathy, and compassion where the prerequisites are simply: reciprocation, competency, ambition, and effort? My goodness, what is this? What kind of men are ya fucking with (with no pun intended)? When I visit friends, coworkers, or siblings who has a family, they're doing the exact things you're listing and more. They have own system and roles that pertains to bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:22 PM
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Porn and sexual explicit content especially these days is incredibly pervasive that's becoming invasive. I swear I cannot go one day on social media, TV, movie, music, etc without exposed to some overly sexual shit. Not to mention "pornsickness" is not just men training their eyes on hundreds of super hot women, but a reaction to cultural shift that pressures men to be extremely sexual active and experienced as early as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:58 PM
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Yes, but there's a clear difference of mindset and cultural attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:19 PM
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