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Male suicide would also be a really good piece to include, especially considering its something difficult for people to just "laugh at" because... who doesn't want men to commit suicide less and its very easy to find tons of stats that show its an undeniable issue.
/r/MensRights21/03/23 06:36 PM
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Insane to me that you will have "free thinking" left leaning people criticize Tates rhetoric and red pill stuff as extreme and think that things like "White men have less power to oppress people than at any time in modern history, and the loss of that oppressive power is being sorely felt by a lot of white boys and men who are still socialized into old masculine norms that function on the basis of being able to oppress." Are actual legitimate arguments as opposed to calling them out for the absu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 08:48 PM
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I saw that video too, if thats his experience thats fine, but at least he didn't generalize and say "this is how it is when it happens to men". From what I remember at least penguinz0 said something like "this stuff happens to men too not just women", I mean its the bare minimum I guess but its better than this Ludwig stuff
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 02:35 PM
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Here is a good video by Big Think feat. Richard Reeves, he talks about these issues frequently. One of the main things is boys in education that he talks about here
/r/MensRights09/02/23 06:53 AM
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Wow only 10 hours old, thanks for linking that. Very interesting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/23 06:19 AM
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Maybe im being too harsh, but I mean I don't see why its so difficult for a simple "Yea its true it happens to men as well and that sucks" because the issue should be about the problem with these crimes but oh well
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/23 11:50 PM
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Well stuff like that should get criticism for sure its just I think a lot of people already see that type of stuff constantly get push back in the main stream. When you do hear people talk about mens issues, usually what they talk about it about men being able to talk about feelings, and show emotions and cry and whatnot. However, some of the things that don't get talked about really ever are some other things are talked about in this sub. There are some left leaning and right leaning people on …
/r/MensRights17/10/22 05:35 PM
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I would agree that people like Matt Walsh should be criticized for the dumb things that they say (such as the things in the video). However, that doesn't mean that when there are feminists that say dumb things that they also shouldn't be criticized as well. People can be nuanced and disagree with more than one thing at a time. I wouldn't say that feminism is responsible for all of mens issues, as many of these issues have existed really for a long time. However, when there are individual feminis…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:56 PM
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That's an interesting question because it really depends on how you define power. If you are talking about politicians/kings/CEOs/business leaders, etc. Then yes technically men had more "power". But.... Its a bit problematic to say "men" because realistically that is literally like 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of men that would be or was even in a position like that. And while it is true that men are over represented in the top of society, you also find that men are over represent…
/r/MensRights05/10/22 06:57 PM
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You seem like a reasonable person and you have good questions. I will try to be brief and say that my main issue with feminism is the assumption and view that men = privileged while women = oppressed. When in reality when it comes to gender, there are a ton of issues that exist for both sides and when it comes to achieving anything close to gender equality both of those sides need to be acknowledged. There are issues that affect women, and we should care about them and there are issues that effe…
/r/MensRights05/10/22 05:55 PM
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That wall of text is crazy because they say that "these talking points fall apart with a shred of critical thinking" yet they go on to pretty much agree that these things are all true? So... how exactly do these fall apart? These are real issues that need to be dealt with and talked about, and they are rarely if ever are talked about and taken seriously as issues that we as a society need to take action to fix, either with public policy or social change. On custody - Yes women are seen as better…
/r/MensRights05/10/22 03:36 PM
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If patriarchy is essentially, "gender roles". Why can't we just call it gender roles instead of patriarchy? There is no necessary prerequisite for having to use feminist theory to talk about gender issues. A big problem with the term patriarchy is that there is no universal agreement of what it is. There are a lots of feminists and lots of them disagree with each other on what it means and in will use the term to mean things that are sometimes contradictory. A lot of people don't like the term b…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 07:21 AM
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Domestic violence/sexual assault/rape. Lack of services, double standards against male victims, etc. There is ALOT with this. Men's mental health/male suicide. Also a lot with this... Institutional bias in legal systems. Family court/criminal justice system etc.
/r/MensRights17/05/21 09:11 PM
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Pretty sure they got that stat here, which is a long report. Murray Straus goes over all the research he has done in a lot of papers, including this one here. He goes over and links to research showing about 1/3 of injuries/deaths due to IPV are men. However, you are correct in that more of women's violence is probably unknown in the stats because they tend to use less overt methods and also do violence by proxy. Like getting the new boyfriend to beat up the old one and whatnot.
/r/MensRights08/05/21 02:41 AM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. I teach at a school and I'm thankful I have not had to see the school I work at show this stuff yet, not sure I would be able to stop myself from speaking up. Your stats you went through on IPV is accurate. On the 1 woman is killed a week thing, I believe that stat is from Australia. The complementary stat for men is that 1 man is killed every 10 days. Here is a video clip on a radio show where a researcher confirms the stat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqun7k…
/r/MensRights07/05/21 05:00 PM
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If it were the case that mental health outcomes were much poorer for black people or women, people would say that there is some problem with the institutions/methods of these places and that they need to change or analyze their shortcomings to see how they are not meeting the needs of those demographics. The conversation would be about how they need to change to help the demographics that are not being helped and how the institution is to blame However when it comes to men, we hear that men them…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/21 09:21 PM
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The problem is that men kill themselves at higher rates in pretty much every country in the world, including countries that have little to no guns. The suicide gap between men and women are not JUST because of guns, it is way more complicated than that. People who argue this are using it as a deflection tool from talking about the real underlying issues. It is also more complicated than "men are less likely to ask for help". They are also less likely to receive it when asking, and there is a mas…
/r/MensRights16/04/21 06:55 PM
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Maybe they won't say that it is "all men" but their beliefs come with a trick. They believe male violence, rape, domestic violence, sexual assault, etc is a byproduct of a patriarchy. A society in which men "made". They believe these issues are the result of an encultured view of manhood, masculinity, devaluation of women/femininity and misogyny. They believe these things come from a patriarchal society in which men created, maintain and contribute to, and a culture and view of manhood/masculini…
/r/MensRights16/03/21 08:13 PM
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Imagine telling Muslims to "take collective responsibility" for terrorist attacks, or illegal immigrants to "take responsibility" for crime committed by immigrants. If anybody said something like this applied to any other group it would be called "hate speech" and they would be cancelled. It should not be at all socially acceptable to demonize and to tell males to feel guilt/shame for being male, and to take collective responsibility for a small number of rapists and abusers.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 01:43 AM
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I do think Cassie at least making that red pill movie was a great thing for the MRM. It was really the first and only documentary that we have ever seen that puts forward our point of view in an unbiased and fair way, even if it's just a start. I don't think she will do any advocacy on top of it since she is only a film maker. Unfortunately, there is a general lack of public men's rights figures.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:01 AM
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Good points. The oppressor/oppressed approach with gender is a very bad way to approach the issue I agree.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:58 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you say, but I would be hesitant to push for only certain political parties in a human rights movement such as this. Focusing on male children or other disadvantaged groups who are also male is a good idea. It do agree that people do tend to listen to women more when they talk about these issues. It is funny that a lot of people seem to think we care about what men have to say more than women, yet it is very much so the opposite a lot of the time.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:57 AM
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Yes it originated in the mythopoetic men's movement, which is completely different from the modern men's movement. Feminism uses this term all the time, its taught in feminist theory courses, women's/gender studies courses etc. You see mainstream feminist media and feminists using the term constantly, I'm unsure about what you're talking about. I understand what the definition of it is. I pointed out that what people say toxic masculinity is are things like the negative aspect of the male gender…
/r/MensRights31/10/20 06:53 PM
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The fact that the narrative that makes money is the "men are evil" one, is just.... deep.
/r/MensRights30/10/20 10:25 PM
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Yea I can understand that. I think people who buy into that view were likely bullied maybe because they were not "masculine" enough, or maybe they were a gay man, etc. Maybe they had a lot of douchebag dudes in their life? Who knows. Maybe they really are sensitive and are upset about the social role of having to be stoic and not express emotion (which is understandable). It's unfortunate that it is a bait and switch often because people who usually use this narrative tend to not support male is…
/r/MensRights30/10/20 04:08 AM
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I really think the only violence that society socializes onto males, is to be able to use violence in the rare instances where it is necessary. Such as defending yourself against a bully, or defending your family/wife/children, etc. Sometimes violence is necessary and males are generally expected to use it when it is necessary in these instances. However, it is such a leap to go from this type of socialization to "men are socialized to commit violence against women and crimes in general".
/r/MensRights30/10/20 03:52 AM
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