Objective_Loquat_447 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
128	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity"	masculinity	Objective_Loquat_447	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/07/25 02:13 PM

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4	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Well I'm pretty sure the easy answer here is the vast majority do not, and honestly I couldn't say for certain if any really do in the way depicted in the show. The scene felt somewhat surreal in that aspect. It was probably more interested in making its point with humor and shock value than in portraying real human sexuality. But what do I know about what women want. Unfortunately, we do have to confront the reality that sado-masochism exists and men are not immune to it. But sado-masochistic f…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	22/07/25 11:58 AM
5	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Again my guy, you do not know me. I'm not a teenager. I know how to advocate for myself. I know how what works for me in a partner etc etc. I didnt come on here with an answer to all of my or your personal problems, just a take. Confronting people who are experiencing social problems or who have a pretty understandable perspective on these issues with a blanket "work on yourself" response is, in my view, far more likely to lead to calcified victim narratives than just acknowledging social realit…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	22/07/25 11:34 AM
3	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" I don't think you're being particularly charitable here. Nowhere have I asserted women all share the same opinion. However, I think it's magical thinking to act like women are immune to cultural influences. Humans are a storytelling species. Our stories matter. I dont think Ted Lasso is fucking up my relationships, but it's part of a trend. And yes, a number of women have disrespected my emotional strategy. Many indirectly, by making their claims about how men need to open up more etc etc. sever…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 10:46 PM
1	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Ah! I teach history. Well met fellow human educator. I think your concern about the creation of incels betrays a historical-sociological problem that has shown itself in human societies in different historically constituted ways. Namely the effort of certain social forces to control to sociological problematic young men. Maybe you've been over intellectualizing their feelings about women? Or is that allowed for some reason, while the reverse isn't? I'm not a big Foucault fan, but his writings on…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 10:23 PM
1	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" I'll take it under advisement doc. I think you ought not let the fact that you've studied a thing or two about one discipline give you a one tract mind. It's a wide world out there, there's more to it than the DSM-5. The very fact that you feel comfortable making assumptions about my personal relationships based only on this limited interaction shows you're doing some kind of sociological analysis. You're seeing patterns about how media affects people and how they respond to it etc etc. A simple…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 09:36 PM
2	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" On the contrary. I am looking at both the psychological as well as the sociological and historical. You are the one who has made claims that one side of that equation is nothing more than a smoke screen. I've made no such claims. You are looking away. I am not.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 09:10 PM
1	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" If that's really how the rest of the show handles that arc then I'm happy to hear it. The bits I've seen, and the reviews of other commenters here who have seen more of the show leave me a bit skeptical, but I appreciate your perspective on that.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 09:08 PM
3	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" You're making a few leaps there my friend. I'm no stranger to the idea that what people might communicate through a TV show doesn't reflect how they actually act in their relationships. But its not nothing. Through a glass, darkly--since you seem to favor ancient metaphors. Also I'm beginning to find your constant effort to like, be my therapist, a bit condescending as well. We can have differences of opinion without you trying to reframe the parts of my personality you've decided are problemati…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 08:15 PM
6	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" I'm not sure you'll believe me because of the subreddit we're on rn, but I don't engage much with the "manosphere." Probably because I'm married and in my 30s and I get the sense that stuff is mostly aimed at younger guys. I actually didn't have any preconceptions going into it. My parents and sister wanted to watch it because we're a soccer family so we gave it a go one holiday weekend. It was only after that initial viewing that i started to noticed the people who wanted to gush about it with …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 07:15 PM
4	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Youve changed your position. A minute ago you said there is no cultural feedback. Now youre saying there is, as long as it's in your meatspace. You're also speaking as if this interaction I'm having with you is the only social feedback I've ever received in my life. I assure you, it is not. And I'm smart enough to tell the difference between an inconsequential interaction with a stranger on the one hand, and a more meaningful one with someone i know and trust on the other. I also can distinguish…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 06:42 PM
10	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" I wouldn't underestimate the democrats ability and willingness to fuck up in the same ways over and over again. I also wouldn't underestimate the extent to which the idea of "progressive" now has more to do with cultural positioning on this kind of nonsense than with concrete policies (especially economic policies). Like I said, Walz did some okay things in Minnesota, and he will likely talk an economic populist game in the future. But I am skeptical of his ability and willingness to stick to th…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 06:22 PM
7	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Or, I disliked it because I have a different perspective on issues like masculinity, emotional expression etc than that which is demonstrated in the show. As I articulated in my post. In order for your causality to make sense, you've got to come up with another reason I actually disliked the show which I'm just using this analysis as a cover for. And that just seems like an unnecessary step. Occams razor would be im probably telling the truth about feelings that i took the time to type up and po…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 06:15 PM
8	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Maybe I'm in liberal bubbles, but I can't seem to get away from these audiences. I would like to believe that noone is watching this stuff, but that's not been my experience	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 06:10 PM
1	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Well said!	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 06:06 PM
3	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Very interesting local context. And yeah the political messages of the major sports leagues are just sad, even if you agree with them. If the NFL is all in on your slogan, maybe it's not actually a radical threat to power. Meanwhile online gambling. Woof. At least we've got rainbows on our favorite teams kits while the vulnerable lose it all on that parlay though	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:51 PM
7	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" There is our disagreement. I dont believe only individuals exist. I believe we are eminently social creatures who need each other and our communal identities to survive. Efforts to turn us into anything else are fools errands at best, and psychological torture at worst. Don't get me wrong. So much of cultural discourse, maybe even this thread thanks to the limitations of yours truly, is nauseating, boring, and yes, related to violence (not sure what you mean by indirect political violence exactl…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:47 PM
7	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Very important to bring capitalism into the analysis. Men must be strong soldiers when the war machine demands fresh meat, stoic lunch pail guys when you have an industrial economy to build, and emotionally intelligent life coaches when post-industrial service/knowledge economies require that we keep earning and spending without rocking the boat too much.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:39 PM
6	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" I can definitely see your point about rich apologism. It's very therapeutic in tone and guilt over economic privlege could for sure be one of the psychological thorns it aims to soothe.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:35 PM
13	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" I'm glad you got something out of the show. Art (even bad art) is ambivalent and multifaceted. I dont think my reaction to it is objective truth. I respect your right to address your feelings however you do. Keep on keeping on my dude	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:32 PM
5	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Perhaps. But I've been resisting this particular rabbit hole for a while and staying out of it has gotten me into more trouble than exploring it. I don't think that's the only thing the Dems were thinking. They obviously wanted to win some votes from men who like sports and such. But I think they are afraid of alienating an increasingly misandrist female voter base even more. So this kind of positive masculinity is the hamfisted compromise position. Or maybe they actually just don't care because…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:29 PM
10	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" Where we might disagree is on what exactly a toxic trope or demeaning portrayal is. By all means, be emotionally vulnerable with the homies if you like. I'm not saying people never should be. But for me, that looks different than what i saw in the show. For one thing there is a quality over quantity of emotional connection that is admittedly difficult to capture in a TV show. What I've begun to resent is the idea that men not acting, in some way or other, like everybody's big softie open book be…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:25 PM
8	Ted Lasso, Tim Walz, and the condescension of "positive masculinity" You can try to personalize this to my experience--which you know nothing about--if you like, but i dont overmuch care to discuss my childhood on reddit at the moment. Either way, doesn't really change the substance of my perspective. I, personally, don't think the idea of women as some sort of judges of men's emotional expression or behavior is something that happens purely within the isolated psyches of individual men--who you seem to then want to pathologize in some way for that. People may no…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/25 05:18 PM
2	There is not enough talk about women using religion against men, and it is very prominent in hyper religious communities Jodi Hildebrand's family therapy racket offers a fairly extreme example of this in a Mormon context	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/07/25 04:18 PM
1	Equity or equal victimhood? I think we may still have some disagreements about things like individual agency vs determinism (of systems) and the utility of "oppressed-oppressor" formulations in relation to class. But we are in some general agreement on the more important things. Our obsession with other people's guilt for our travails is all too human, but rarely helpful. However, insofar as part of what we're discussing here is practical, I do think we could also approach women with a similar message. Yes, historically, w…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	29/06/25 07:56 PM
21	Guy here asking questions I'm not gonna stop supporting feminism because someone was mean online, because that's just ridiculous. This may not be relevant to you for one reason or another, but one thing you might come to realize as you get older and have more experience with women is that it's not all online. Don't get me wrong, internet culture is exacerbating things, but many of us have had the direct experience of women using this stuff against us irl, in romantic relationships, the workplace, politics etc. As a young…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	29/06/25 07:35 PM
2	Equity or equal victimhood? I guess I'm just not that interested in the conversation about getting laid. I'm married. But a lot of young men are deep in that conversation so I get why you're engaging with it. I'm suspicious that there's any silver bullet there either though. Stoicism (in the figurative, expressive sense) doesn't guarantee you a mate, and in its more extreme forms it can also isolate you from whoever you happen to find. Where our real disagreement lies is in the truth aspect. We both reject pomo intersectio…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	29/06/25 11:58 AM
1	Equity or equal victimhood? Edit: I wrote a long comment but deleted bc I think it was too dickish, sorry OP. Basically my critique is that, as a history PhD, I've had way to many arguments with philosophy phds who think the secrets to the ills of our society lie is some peculiar intellectual formulation. Be it blank slatism, analysis of power dynamics, or here, victimology. Sometimes it's even adjacent to historically spurious anti-marxism and Frankfurt school Judeo-Bolschevism paranoia (tho I will be clear I make no accu…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/06/25 03:10 PM
38	"Berniesbros" Misandry 2016 to Now Since 2008 if not before, young men have consistently flocked to candidates who do two things: 1. Promise any kind of rupture from the socio-economic status quo and 2. Do not appear to actively hate them. Democrats have strong incentives to consistently fail on both counts. But we shouldn't forget that feminism was only one page in the DNC's identitarian playbook against Bernie. The "black people ain't having no Bernie" line was arguably more consequential in the end (the suspicious timing of BL…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/06/25 11:19 AM
1	Any married men with kids here can share their insights into the pros and cons of family values in today's financial and sociological climate? I honestly don't know what to say in answer to your question, but because you asked for anecdotes and I dont have anyone else to talk to about this stuff, here goes: I'm married to a woman that I dated for years before tying the knot, and now less than a year into fatherhood. I always wanted kids and a partner to share things with. I am not a traditionalist but I am convinced families are good for people and society. I think liberalism has a lot to answer for in how it has damaged families. In s…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/06/25 12:00 AM