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The immense legal pressure on roman men to marry really shows you how much men value marriage in a mature society where they can get laid other ways. Many men genuinely prefer to fuck around and have more fun, less responsibility. People give monogamy too much credit for stability when its dominance derives as much from numbers and expansion. Take ten entirely diverse societies, where only one pairs everyone up and makes them churn out babies constantly. That society will expand and dominate, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:40 PM
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Higher claims aside it really is a surreal experience. Like I’ve hustled for every single thing I’ve ever gotten sexually and then you just go over there and are treated like Lord Krishna among the milkmaids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 05:03 AM
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I think the big gripe here is absolutely family, which is often required for ppl to feel fully actualized and which takes a big hit from your immediate pleasure potential. I personally don’t care about that so i agree with you. For a man who is genuinely attractive from a fundamental relationship POV, the binding constraint can absolutely be passion if you want More than typical heterosexuality offers. Not because you aren’t sexy, but because there will NEVER be any lack of ppl wanting in your l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:02 PM
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I actually agree with you, but keep in mind what you end up getting is “Schrodingers Boyfriend.” IE i am a GREAT boyfriend really when things are passionate (won’t bore you with details esp as subjective). However once that passion runs down or the honeymoon period subsides to a level I find deficient… i am just… not there anymore. I know i am more a boyfriend guy than the guy you see across the club and wanna drag to a dark corner before he says something stupid and icky. However, i also know h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:54 PM
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Lol, it’s probably more they have a looks barrier for their FEMALE friends and the men in the circle are a product of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 10:47 PM
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As a bisexual man I disagree partly. It definitely gives you many insights, but your lifestyle draws you into more niche realms where the format of dating is less typical and thus less broadly applicable. Also, I’m most physically attracted to women and have no romantic feelings for men. I’ve gravitated to women who do NOT have typical female sexual or romantic drives, and i only know about sex with men, not dating them. Similarly, some mild art school bi girl who has only had warmly sexy friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 05:47 PM
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A few reasons. Because from women’s POV it’s an imprecise term. Sometimes it means “if i never saw this guy again that’d be fine but we run in the same circles so time for being nice!” Other times she just doesn’t KNOW bc the guy is chickenshit and then it genuinely feels like a bait and switch. And finally, some girls absolutely just do suck up free attention from weak willed men just like tinder fuckboys pump and dump girls. As a (girl) tweet once wrote: “women get friendzoned too; the differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 12:41 AM
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There’s a point where you’re getting a supernatural figure, and a further point where it seems like you’re optimizing everything around how you look faceless doggy style. Too many women choose the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:55 PM
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Some utter simp who spends immense time on random fetch quests for baubles and risks his life for at best a cutscene of implied sex? Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:25 PM
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Women often give signals that are only clear if you’re already looking at/captivated by her—that’s sort of the point. It’s a sly little smile back, not her staring through a crowd to find you: standard issue not short male. Yes there are giga chad sex gods who get brazen drunk invites thrown at them, but generally from women less attractive than they could pull on their own. It makes naive sense for men to assume libfem discourse about sex positivity or egalitarianism will filter down to differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:08 PM
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Where did i say that at all lol? Everything is fine and it’s fine if women want to do all that instead of getting hitched to some faceless dude. Just know the score and see YOUR agency in the process. I’m still gonna have my twentysomething girlfriends, it’s fine. Women are more “attractive” because it’s literally the grain of heterosexuality; women attract and men pursue, generally. The problem is, WHY is he pursuing? Because different men have different intentions not with “women” but with YOU…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 06:42 PM
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Most ppl are more practically naive than intellectually naive. IE- women can be very good at seeing this in their friends (but explaining it differently) and terrible at acknowledging it in their own life. Basically IF a woman is having relationship problems, it’s more likely they’re of the type above than the type men have. Again, most common female dating problem on any sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 06:31 PM
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This is such an insane personal projection given you didn’t have anything to say about my points. I have barely been single for more than a month since high school, have dated in NYC, LA, a bunch of other cities. I don’t even consider myself a redpiller or manospherian; i just am not scared to call it like i see it. I have successful relationships and am friends with most of my exes. But yes i still do date younger women lol! That’s the only part you got right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:42 PM
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There is more pleasure in those lays for men tho. Like i was in an open relationship where my gf was the hottest girl I’ve ever dated and one of my sidegirls was pretty mid but the sex was honestly fire. And it was very much a primal sexual feeling, very little about validation. With women I feel it is more often “this tier/quality of guy expressed an interest in me”. Attention from mid (not gross, just typical) men is not sexually arousing and women want attention WITHOUT sex from those men. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:44 PM
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True, just that lens angle could be squishing her face thinner. Online dating is like the Atlantic: totally full of icebergs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:37 PM
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Tried to see rest of the gallery but there aren’t any body shots. Absolutely impossible to rate as a result. She has a very cute typical UMC white girl face, but if her figure doesn’t match up, she’s in for disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:23 PM
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Totally, yes. It’s also a good way of describing the lower female “horniness” in a way that doesn’t invite the usual deluded responses. Women can have equal (or greater, really) INTENSITY of lust, but as a bisexual man i just don’t trust the constancy or smoothness of the female libido any further than i can throw it. ( bc it seems like you can go from sex god to literal filth in a woman’s eyes in a truly concerning instant). I think the only thing it leaves out is that women aren’t just love ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:42 PM
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Because the CMV was that women uphold these incentives that have little to do with male attraction. If you agree we are good. You saying “everything is incentives” starts a new avenue but makes it seem like you argued with the top level point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:50 PM
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That’s like saying hideous gym roid disasters are based on women’s incentives bc women like reasonably built men. It’s technically true in some deep way, but it’s a practically useless observation since it overshoots the audience. Fat or formless women who spend oodles on nails, hair, etc are doing it for a female audience (or are so entrenched in the female audience mindset they don’t think about how little it matters or how it is even more offputting than it would be otherwise. There is someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:44 PM
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She should try every single other country in East Asia just to make sure it isn’t a Chinese thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:29 AM
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Largely Agree but I think men interpret this “dominance” wrongly, bc frankly a lot of those girls are really selfish pillow princess type lays who aren’t that invested in making their partner feel good; it is about the feeling of overwhelming desire for them. Not actually being dominated to the will of another. Like it’s very common for a girl to be like “just use me!” If i take that at face value I’m gonna slowly play with her ass and general body in a way that gradually escalates my desire. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:48 PM
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Just have fun with this type of narcissistic garbage: “getting rejected for sex after a dinner date is like dying in war; in both cases you aren’t passing on your genes. Ok yeah sure one is slightly worse but the other is a serious problem. Women just won’t understand.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:14 PM
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That’s great too! I was just giving a metaphor for why the extremes CAN be equally good for some ppl. Practically someone in the middle often requires a lot of the type of treatment a soprano girl does, just without the thankful feminine allure. Or they think they’re way more of a contralto than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 03:35 PM
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There are singers who have beautiful high hyper feminine voices that hit whistle notes like mariah carey. Beautiful! Also women who can hit much lower notes but still with feminine resonance. Also beautiful. The girl in the middle? She just doesn’t have the range, usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 03:05 PM
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Both can be great or annoying, it’s about how she sells it. Like if she’s more of a cute soprano, the former is great. But yes also be a confident and vampy contralto! It’s the mezzo sopranos of heterosexuality (and literal singing) that i have less use for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:57 PM
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Just agreeing with your opponent that this was a really weak and disappointing comment that should ideally show you your view is incomplete and mean spirited. Top level comment was okay and somewhat interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:49 PM
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Yep, all very textbook heterosexuality of the “this is why we can’t have nice things” sort. Nothing unique or special here. The point is the type of guy who DIDN’T just instinctively put the charms on some receptive hot girl if he already had a girlfriend would not have attracted you, whether partnered or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 06:20 PM
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Okay, I’m just saying your desires apparently coincide with the type of person who does that. I’m not saying you like THAT, but the things you like are correlated to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 06:16 PM
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It gives you greater potential to achieve your desires. In your case your desire was to fuck around with a selfish partnered guy who used you as a sexual outlet he could complain about his main girlfriend to. That’s a you problem. Unattractive people just have fewer options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 06:14 PM
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It can be true, but the other truth is women often take on and demand a much higher standard of domesticity that is not just silly but offputting. If i said women can NEVER satisfy a man sexually, and then you found out my standard involves hourly blowjobs, the problem is with my standards not women. Similarly, if her mental standard for the good life is her instagram feed of hyper curated not quite lived in spaces, i refuse to be told i am a lazy slob for not being at that level. I am very wary…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:31 PM
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Eh she’s just bangable so it’s offensive but not insane. Most times these posts are from the vilest masculine lipstick beasts Twitter can source, and it’s clear it’s like “no fat chicks” on some clueless guy’s Tinder profile. (IE they both doth protest too much)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:23 PM
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The quality makes you respect homophobes more. But then their star cashier is always a deeply closeted southern boy named Trevor, so honestly it’s complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:14 PM
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Not entirely, it is just the binding constraint. I mean my college ex girlfriend from a decade ago asked me to have children with her during quarantine randomly. I am a very appealing person. It’s just like… much like a “hot” girl who doesn’t come across as a ‘wife’ type, i am appealing in a way that is rather dogshit for my gender. So i gate all my personal appeal behind the fucking, and GIVE love but ask very little of other types bc i associate that with someone’s love becoming companionate a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:57 PM
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I mean I already have! It just didn’t stick. The answer to all of that is yes. I am not a monster. I am just someone who cares WAY WAY more about sex than warm non sexual affection, which i have never lacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:49 PM
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A bio timer to be a PARENT. Not to be a fundamentally attractive person for her age peers. Forgive me for not worrying about the future parent potential of the girl i go down on while she’s doing hard drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:48 PM
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Because we have sex. She would not have become my friend if we didn’t. It’s very possible I would stay friends with her after we are done fucking if she can be less chaotic (she also knows she can be chaotic BC we are fucking). The point is i would never have put a gram of that effort into the friendship in the first place if we were not fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:43 PM
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No you’re wrong! I do plenty with her. Helped her decorate her new place, we go on little dates. I let her move in briefly when her psycho ex boyfriend was an issue. You’re projecting your own mind here. I would not do that if we weren’t fucking. But we are! It changes EVERYTHING
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:40 PM
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Why are you only concerned for her? Why aren’t you worried i am throwing away my legacy and my life energy? I don’t feel guilty about any of the stuff you are trying to make me feel guilty for because i am a positive factor in her life RIGHT NOW (i am a very emotionally and time generous person for ppl who fuck me properly) and i am not preventing her from looking for something more longterm harmonious for her. She had this problem before i met her, and it will not be my influence or problem if …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:36 PM
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What do you mean “don’t like?” I am currently seeing a girl with a major drug problem, who is insanely forgetful and flighty, and who is absolutely allergic to full accountability regarding the above. I will admit there is literally zero chance i would associate with her if not for … she has perhaps the best ass I’ve ever seen in person on a white girl and she fucks me extremely well. I would not like her as a (totally platonic) friend or as a longterm romantic partner, entirely because of the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:27 PM
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Wait i thought casual fucks were the apex of women’s attention? You mean underemployed personal trainer Chad is just some object-stock character in a girl’s personal narrative where she’s using hookups as a form of affirmation to tell herself she isn’t just another basic and fairly indistinguishable dog and pickleball-loving Hinge swipe? This is what always gets me about inexperience. It’s definitely true that a woman’s instinctive drive to fuck you is often way more honest than whatever she ten…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 04:22 PM
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The point is young women today are not your grandmother, and many consciously believe it’s just “normal” to screen ppl from various online sources and “weird” to meet strangers IRL. IE- personal interaction with strange men they aren’t attracted to makes them uneasy, and obviously having any bad feeling at all means you have been wronged somehow. Personally i do not care bc i have no shame. The point is the nice well behaved young men your grandmother would have liked DO care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:30 PM
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Honestly i started entirely the opposite: manosphere terms and concepts were totally repellant to me, and I started my involvement here making fun of TRP people. Ultimately i read more sidebar / canonical stuff vs just listening to unhinged terminally online ppl spout a collage of conflicting grievances… and i sorta got it. Heterosexuality is honestly pretty ridiculous and filled with so many “this is why we can’t have nice things,” and from the male pov the female sex drive feels very much part…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:17 PM
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I’m a total dirty old man but would step right over a dozen dollface twenty-something cuties just to know what it’s like being with a fifty something woman who looks like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:39 PM
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Top Artist Magdalena Bay; i am a useless trendfucker but ‘Dawning of the Season’ was my jam this year. But on the other hand Patti Smith’s “Land, Horses; land of a thousand dances” was still a top song so i still have some personality in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:46 PM
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Ok cool so she should have an effortless desire to treat me in the way i like, fine. The point is if she loves ME, rather than a mental projection of a character in her life who looks like me, the way she expresses that love will be felt. I have experienced ppl who claimed to love me in the way you describe but frankly it didn’t do much for me bc i didn’t feel like the person they loved was actually me. It was some guy in their head who wanted the things she wanted me to want. Idek what to say a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:53 PM
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No, partly what you are actually doing is defining love according to the most brittle, self serving, and least appealing archetype of feminine imperative to me, and then telling me I don’t experience love. Which is correct from your pov i guess. And I don’t at all disagree at the hollowness of what you describe. What YOU are missing is that there is a similar kind of wall-breaking that has to occur for ME to feel loved, and that wall has a major sexual component. Your last paragraph goes very mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:26 PM
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None of that farmer’s market rant of your contradicts any of what i said and actually deepens my point in general. I agree with it and that is WHY I need the pussy upfront. I always assume that about womens attention, but fwiw I genuinely have ALWAYS had women who had little instinctive sexual desire for me seem nonetheless obsessed with my company in a genuinely annoying way. And they get hurt/offended when you back off bc of the lack of sexual desire! Literally why i just put the gargoyles out…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:03 PM
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Many women feel this way bc they are so finnicky, baggaged out, and easily icked that the slightest bit of sexual generosity feels like what you described to them. In a situation like that, all the “love and intimacy” you describe immediately feels like suffocating treacle or like having your life vitality sucked out of you. Second, for emotionally appealing men, companionship is very cheap bc it’s offered up like sex is offered to women. We know you want to go to the farmer’s market with us; lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:12 PM
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It’s sort of like “nice” guys—most of the women playing up their strength are high intensity, dramatic, demanding, difficult people who don’t share well. No thx! Actually resilient women are great. But i also prefer a very high femme aesthetic and will put up with a lot of stereotypical femme vulnerability for it. My favorite thing about both slavic and South American women as stereotypes is how well they combine assertiveness and high femininity. With American women it often feels like a “choos…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:45 PM
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Eh, i agree women consciously value what you are calling consideration, but it does not arouse them, and actually too much consideration devalues you and lets her get too deep into her neurotic interior. Which is why being INconsiderate can be arousing and kinda jarring in a positive way. Meanwhile men consciously value loyalty but also cum hardest for chaotic femmes who have the potential to turn you into a pig like Circe. Basically this is a semantic puff post that misses the fact that you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:57 PM
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I believe male “excellence” at the tails of human achievement is chiefly male variability (somewhat innate) and cultural incentives (more malleable). This means it’s less “men are on average better” and more “the very top performers in any given field are likely to be male.” But as the Camille Paglia quote ppl remember for male variability says, you’ll see as many more Jack the Rippers as Mozarts among men. A second aspect is that many men (here at least) hold the idea that there is very little …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:32 PM
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First the grain of heterosexuality is literally written into the concept of “attractive” = to draw to oneself. Given men tend to be the more active, pursuing party, the form women’s attractiveness takes is literally more attractive. Female beauty is of a type that draws inward. Second, women vastly overweight the effect of the type of grooming they are socialized into. Half the time you hear about some “radiant” friend she is a chubby rectangirl with absolutely Zero inherent sex appeal but a maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:53 PM
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Redpill concepts of “the wall” have way more to do with a woman’s biological clock and changing desires as a result than just your own desirability. The idea is that at your age a woman starts realizing she has limited time to form a family and she also starts noticing she is no longer the MOST fresh exciting ingenue on the block. As a result she goes and tries to lock down some guy she wouldn’t have glanced at when she was 22. Horrible dead bedroom boredom ensues and redpill stereotypes were bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:57 PM
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Basically the idea that “Chad” gets the Chad treatment in long term relationships. He just has a slight head start against the grim upstream swim that is the female libido in a state of complacency. (Not a true redpill sidebar truth, more a general manosphere attitude)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:44 PM
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Hating your own class is a prerequisite for anyone tolerable in mine, so vaguely concealed derision has always been a great way to make friends! And the self deprecation just makes it all go down easier over drinks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:35 PM
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No you suggested the ones that DID want to date different class men would be a certain way. That was where you didn’t have enough nuance in your actual points, however hedged they were verbally. And that’s fair enough on social stuff, i DO think i am better than most ppl so that’s a burden, but basically there is so much of this idea that bougie breeders in nice neighborhoods are like BETTER more fundamentally attractive human beings, and my experience is they really aren’t. So ppl selling that …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:25 PM
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My entire (post college) dating history has gone exactly as i have described so idk why you’re being an egghead to me about it. Yes some element of “class hopping” or whatever is what i am talking about. When i say lower expectations i mean “a cool house” not “a cool house in x boring neighborhood so my kids can go to the same school as x.” And why such a binary, clearly the girls who are trying to hop STILL find aspects of UMC finance bros annoying, so my value is in being someone who benefits …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:08 PM
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What matters is her net lifestyle expectations vs abilities, and education / class is not a direct benefit just increased solely even from your pov. Like take Some girl whose “degree” and social success come from an entire upbringing being forcibly dragged across the line of the upper middle class and who works some vague middle managerial position she resents and that makes her stressed and cranky (and thus deeply wanting you to make an income jump and earn for both so she can go run a failing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 02:15 PM
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I think many people have this idea that elite tier men have MORE leverage than the women they are happy to pursue, whereas genuinely typical men (in whatever cohort is typical to you) have less leverage than the women they are happy to pursue. Chadness is that sense of someone who operates on a reverse sense of value / privilege / accommodation for the women you idealize. You are attracted to those women; those women are attracted to Chad. You do down bad shit for those girls; those girls do dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:46 PM
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You could provide them in a much less self absorbed way. That prose was literally “girl writing a post on medium” levels of self absorption. The actual details or facts are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:26 PM
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This is sort of like “men hate slutty women” … except they really DON’T when the sluttiness is in exactly the way they want it. An equivalent OP would be “men don’t hate slutty women! You just have to only have sex with THAT guy whenever he wants but never anybody else.” Also your big dick story honestly is written like some girl’s public “whining” about how demanded and cat called she is, and anybody with a decent sense can see how much she’s reveling in it and using it as a humblebrag just wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:04 PM
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You literally complain about being seen as a sex toy as if you’re unaware men complain about being unable to show vulnerability bc it desexualizes them to their partner. You then explain how it’s best not to be ACTUALLY no filter vulnerable (as many / most women in relationships are) and instead be vulnerable in a calculated way that is attractive (for a man already generally seen as more sexual than gay best friend-like). So basically it’s fine if you think you’re fighting against the most stup…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 06:26 PM
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I’m over thirty and date a revolving door of early twenty something art hoes who all know what i ask of them involves looking good and fucking freely. I am not looking for someone who matches my virtues but rather complements them. My form of dating would have been seen as evil and/or shallow 50 years ago. It very much keeps up with the times, and frankly many feminist women will have more conscious problems with it than with surface level “egalitarianism means everyone acts the same” attitudes.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:30 PM
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Many ppl interpret the invitation to a date as an offer, and no amount of you yelling at clouds will change that. Most women are PREPARED to pay but find it offputting if asked on a date. They are not being rude, they simply have different values, and establishing that early is worthwhile. Also OP is a troll who doesn’t actually believe it’s rude, she is just trying a stupid gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:18 PM
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I mean “hey we just met but this round’s on me!” Is a very common bar experience, even same gender bro talk. The point is i just don’t have enough anxiety about being used by women to bother about the cost of a few drinks. If i let her stick around, I won’t be worried about it, and if i DON’T, the cost of two drinks was worth figuring out why. The difference between friends and strangers and girlfriends is far more related to other things besides counting pennies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:08 PM
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I am a guy who makes his female partners do plenty of heavy lifting. If my partner wants the princess treatment she needs to inspire it .
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:00 PM
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If it’s that type of party, sure? But frankly sometimes yes i will just show up and drink the wine they were very excited about pairing with their food. My entire point here is there IS no script, and finding ppl with aligned views to yours is part of the matching process.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:58 PM
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I make my partners do plenty of heavy lifting that doesn’t involve signing a stupid check for a few drinks on a first date. If you feel like you’re expected to do all the heavy lifting idk what to say. Approaching is part of the general grain of heterosexuality; plenty of feminist women argue against it, but tbh i would rather date someone (feminist or not) who acknowledges my needs being perhaps different from hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:53 PM
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When my friends invite me to a dinner party at their place, I don’t expect an invoice for their groceries and time cooking. Expectations of going dutch are fine, and it’s fine to nix a girl bc of her expectations of you paying. Pretending there is some macro consensus where none exists is unnecessary
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:48 PM
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It really isn’t if you are invited on a date. It’s 100% up to everyone to define their values here. You’re no different from some angry woman complaining about sex obsessed scrotes. It’s fine if you want to see that as simping, but navigating the world requires dealing with (if not accepting) other ppls frameworks. Your own is not lessened thereby if it’s strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:33 PM
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It isn’t at all RUDE to not split the check; there are simply men who find it a red flag, just like some women find it offputting to get asked for first date sex and others want to suss out sexual connections asap. If this honestly confusing to you, rather than some contorted gotcha attempt, you have a poor understanding of social dynamics. The clear answer is to find dates with people who have similar views on what dates should be, as that is a good way to establish fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:24 PM
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No, bc I’m very satisfied how this exchange looks on my part.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:20 PM
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Why does that matter? The entire point is ppl not doing sex work do not understand the values and desires of ppl doing sex work, and your binary is flawed. I do not care if 90% of ppl see those activities as fundamentally different and complain about one but not the other. Their opinions do not matter if you value bodily autonomy. I DID provide evidence of broad and similar biases against strippers, but I attribute many differences in the character of that convo to the legal status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:16 PM
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literally just said the legality makes a different convo, but listen to some woman whose boyfriend went to a club and instantly all the women are drug addicted and “ugh how could you enjoy grinding against some woman who probably hates you” etc. It is less “these women are sex slaves” and more “these women are deluded and dysfunctional, and anyone who enjoys this is a loser.” Also take your dancer gf to some dinner with your MBA friends and listen to their comments lol. The stigma is a continuum…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:05 PM
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And my point was that your entire statement is false. It is perfectly acceptable to compare stripping and prostitution because there are prostitutes who would never strip and strippers who would never escort. I said Your understanding was incorrect and a projection of your own values, so you mentioned trafficking. And honestly there is plenty of concern over strippers and assumptions of why they’re doing it. It’s less a public policy debate because of the LEGAL difference, not bc it’s radically …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:40 PM
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OP is arguing that the desires of CONSENSUAL sex workers (including those who fuck) are constantly shouted over by ppl talking about a totally different trafficking economy, and when ppl start losing arguments about the former reality they start moving the entire conversation to trafficking. Which is what you’re doing rn. I hate trafficking, nobody should be forced into ANY kind of sex work, whether penetrative or not. If you’d like to actually respond to my points taking down your false binary,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:25 PM
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Except it’s actually a clear continuum not binary, and many girls who do less intense forms habitually also do more intense forms selectively. Also there are women who escort who would NEVER strip or cam bc the public exposure of stripping for randos is worse than sucking dick privately. The type of work you list as soft can be more psychologically taxing, and some ppl prefer to just fuck get cash bounce. I’ve honestly dated across the entire SW spectrum, and it’s not exactly what you’re saying.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:16 PM
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I agree in the niche sense that any woman I’ve bothered to truly date displayed this capability. I disagree in the sense that it’s common or average. PS- the carousel metaphor is misleading bc you’re always on the same horse, whereas ppl STAY on the carousel BECAUSE the horse changes. But i am not a horse
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:02 AM
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The stereotype is that male “hypergamy” is more a collection impulse and while his ROMANTIC drive may lessen for his main partner, his primal attraction is only marginally affected compared to how a woman falling into a new infatuation results in the total death of any primal attraction for her previous guy. It’s a stereotype, but its basis is evident when women talk about how much more intimate/emotional they see sex (except when they don’t). In my opinion it ISN’T necessarily more “romantic” a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:12 PM
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Something priced as a luxury service is not something people feel entitled to. And sexuality is not a fixed thing “bought” via transferred ownership. But no, in a truly free gender egalitarian world, 95/100 women can think that way about prostitution, and the 5 remaining still have the right to price the pu$$y. Because the excess male desire for sex will always offer this potential, and the reason libfem frameworks function is they harness the energy of what each gender desires rather than forci…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:25 PM
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Every time i look up casualty stats in a war I’m shocked how many of those guys couldn’t drink legally here. Army recruiters and war loving cultural output basically groom boys to go get their arms blown off for a cheaper loan on a Camaro. In that landscape, I’m genuinely tired of hearing independent women exercising their bodily autonomy get conflated with trafficked slaves. Many of my exes from actual relationships have been in that strata of the hoe game; i know it’s radically different from …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:56 PM
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Waist hip ratio. Men who prefer totally different body types still almost always prefer a lower WHR (until you’re getting into cartoon territory). Otherwise mediocre women who are ratioed as hell are immediately hot to many men. And finally your loving boyfriend/husband who thinks you’re the best… would still find you hotter with a slightly lower WHR. Height works like all of that. Nothing like boobs or weight etc is as universal across other differing preferences. Age is not a similar character…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:14 PM
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as someone has said this means you have weeb vibes, and you need to take a moment of humility and figure out why you have weeb vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 09:12 PM
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Absolutely Gwen. Taylor is pretty but not hot. I’m not saying I wouldn’t fuck her, but her entire brand is just so algorithmically “classic american femininity” that she has the sex appeal of a vase of flowers to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 08:13 PM
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No bc she chose the guy who stays on and keeps adding to the soft harem
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:55 PM
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Some men are having less sex, a few men are having insanely more sex. Many men having the same depressingly low amount of sex as human history has always offered. Women are having more sex with the men who have more sex, so women think men are sex drenched playboys asserting their privileges… bc those are the guys they are having sex with. And my sources are just thought, not bothering with research for someone with your spelling or warning that you’ll disregard sources. Btw i am also okay with …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 10:51 PM
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Totally! But the world isn’t a binary between high tier playboys and toxic incels, and the best guys in between that spectrum don’t stay single long. Fwiw i am more in the avoidant playboy camp, and i am not bemoaning the lack of virgin brides. I love liberal feminism and the freedom it gives me. But i can still point out the cons in the system
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 08:14 PM
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Why does that matter, especially if there are more than two, as happens frequently. For the entire time each of those girls is fixated on him as their focus, it is effectively a harem from his pov (and the men who are not partnering due to each of those girls hanging up on him). Especially as you scale out that individual soft harem macro wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 08:00 PM
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It is if he is banging them simultaneously: ie- he hasn’t dumped off the first girl he was stringing along when he starts with girl 2… girl n+1
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:44 PM
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They just need to show the inkwells these tiktoks of girls being excited for food instead of the girls rambling about ugly guys while faded on ket and vodka.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:08 PM
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There’s widespread evidence of major urbanization in the neolithic all through that area with Natufian culture. That was also the start of agriculture, as wheat genetically identical to modern crops grows right there. Why is it so crazy to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:14 PM
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Yep it’s a bummer chasing the key demographic of “nobody ever seen this girl without five face filters on” twitter
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:11 PM
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Tbh they all look like roided out children. Now show me any JoJo episode and i am doing every weight exercise simultaneously while adjusting my guyliner
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 07:24 PM
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For someone talking reading comprehension you’re weirdly unfamiliar with the rhetorical, general “you.” But anyway I’m similarly unimpressed (in a personal sense this time) so have a good day!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 06:16 PM
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“Everyone is a tool to everyone” is a very main character “i am the real person here and everyone else exists in my mind” phrasing. Literal solipsism not the silly manosphere concept. And again, it’s not just IF they are in their stability phase, but WHAT their stability phase looks like. If it looks like something i want, I’m happy to be stable. If it doesn’t, I’m a chaotic vapor trail out the door. Imagining people entirely like tools leaves you open to the surprise of what’s inside people’s h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 06:09 PM
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Sure, same difference just now with MORE solipsism. The point is if you see your partner Chiefly as a stability tool, you will not be an effective passion tool for them. So you won’t have a stability tool. Most ppl, certainly most women, are not gonna be super responsive to this “everyone is a tool” argument (srsly go post in on TwoX) but the conclusion is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 06:03 PM
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Because other humans aren’t tools for your life, nor are their desires binary flip switches. Everyone wants a little stability in their passion and passion in their stability. There’s nothing wrong with gravitating toward stability, but if you treat your partner like an extension of your desires only… don’t depend on having that stability around forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 05:54 PM
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Nah unfortunately my obnoxiousness is effortless
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 04:54 PM
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9/10 cookie monster pajamas. But seriously this relatively effortless and shameless thing is more arousing than some plastic IG girl under an inch of makeup and several hardcore AR filters. Seems like she had a great figure before and I’ve been impressed how some younger WT girls bounce right back from early pregnancies! I’d let her spark up her meth rig in my house anyday.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 04:50 PM
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This is an incomplete analysis of the great american film. Her early autist self is comical, but her integration with the plastics is worse bc she loses that horse-girl self. Transcendence occurs when she fuses the resolute purity of her nerd self with the newfound social acumen gained through experience. Without that nerd self she is just basic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:48 PM
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She’s a very dour german lady who is funny and brilliant and not even unattractive, just not sexy lol. But I’m glad you’d have taken hawking for the team or meme
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:29 PM
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I like brilliant physicists but don’t lust after sabine hossenfelder or stephen hawking
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:10 PM
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She’s textbook bangable but not pretty, cute, alluring etc. Very off putting vibe, very weird kinda sloppy presentation. She looks like she smells bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:05 PM
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I thought it was obvious sarcasm about the way ppl delude themselves but I guess you were just too hopped up on indignantion
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:27 PM
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Yes it would! Bc then loser guys would have to acknowledge both an uphill climb and its necessity. It’s better for everyone this way. The guys get to think it’s not worth it, and the girls get to avoid confronting their pyschosexual basicness
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:23 PM
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People exaggerate a general truth to remove agency from themselves, and then opposite people tear down that exaggeration so they don’t have to address the underlying truth from the original idea
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:58 PM
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“The community” is a funny idea, but I’d argue my experience is more valid as a bi man who has dated extensively, rather than one woman with niche preferences . Also if there IS a community, i am very much a part of it as an honorary brunch queer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:11 PM
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Thank you for that generalization that goes totally against my experience. I’d be inclined to say acceptance is more common among TRULY bisexual women, but that would make me invalidate too many cute attention whore non lesbians, and I don’t mind their antics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:52 PM
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Yeah no this is just insanely, blatantly false… as any bisexual man knows when they choose to either disclose or not. Night and day! First off most women are NORMAL ass women who do not consciously think in terms of gender egalitarianism except in hotpoint issues they care about. Bisexuality is just gross to them and that’s okay. It’s libfem bi women who feel the need to do exquisite mental gymnastics squaring their abstract beliefs with their instinctive reactions. I’ve dated many women who enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:33 PM
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Funnily enough i agree with vast majority of this. Just in my mind “the consequences of your actions” are raising a child alone bc you decided to keep a child with someone who told you they didn’t want one. This would NOT be the case in a trad society, but I genuinely consider myself a libfem, and there’s a cetain amount of “you aren’t entitled to mens lives” that comes with it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:10 PM
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Many women also like doing really dumb stuff when they get their hearts twisted around some guy’s dick, but we (somewhat decent ppl) don’t invalidate the genuinely bad and abusive shit other women experience on that basis. “Some fuckboys hate condoms” has no bearing on whether a man in a relationship who has clearly communicated a desire for no children ends up having the responsibilities of parenthood. Our attitudes toward female reproductive autonomy suggest an obvious greater “grace” for male…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:29 PM
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Yeah again not surprised you don’t see this as a clear violation of his basic autonomy. The “good” argument here (which again is nothing women will want extrapolated to them) is that it’s just more socially beneficial to see men as macro utilities in this situation. Their personhood or desires are less important than the socioeconomic effect they have when compelled to go against their desires. Now I’m not saying that’s a bad thing prima facie. It’s just weird hearing from people who are all abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:22 PM
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One where a man thinks he has a trust based relationship where his desires for no children have been acknowledged and the woman decides otherwise upon getting pregnant. Since that is 100% her right it should be 100% her responsibility. Practically any text convo that acknowledges that surprise should get him out of it, and I believe that situation is actually more clear cut than any “he said she said” type issue. I do agree many rapes are not taken seriously, and it’s awful. But there are also p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:56 PM
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This attitude would be nuclear braindead hypocrisy in an environment where Roe wasn’t threatened, but in the current one it’s more “this is why we can’t have nice things.” Keep your legs closed ladies, and everyone brace for a crime wave in 18 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:51 PM
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It’s really weird how you and multiple people basically say “yeah this is rape, but since it’s impossible to prove 100%, there’s no point doing anything about it.” Something tells me that attitude won’t extend to similar situations! Also weird to acknowledge how extreme the bad case can be but just leave absolutely no space in the middle for men to walk away from exploitative situations that violate their autonomy. Not unexpected, just interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:42 PM
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She just has such a manly unpleasant vibe; I’d walk out just from the ick. Now if she could psychotically beat me in a more alluring and feminine way…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:18 PM
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They aren’t their GFs or FWBs. Younger men are just so obsessed with getting nudes from girls they know it goes “flirting > asking for nudes > begging to pay for nudes.” Tbh I don’t get it either, but i see little distinction between pathetically begging girls you know for nudes and paying to get exactly the nudes you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:34 PM
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One of my friends was a stripper in around 2014 (?) and was describing Twitch saying she was gonna start. I was thinking “girl don’t sell your Pleasers that sounds like the dumbest thing ever.” And yet ppl will pay to watch some DUDE play fucking video games and pay him! Idk why ppl act like OF nudes are surprising or pathetic when men are paying to watch other men play video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:14 PM
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This is just false. Most low level OF girls get into the game from constantly being hustled for nudes ppl eventually offer to pay for (by guys they know usually). The girls just don’t understand that building an actual audience requires them to do the proactive part, and they fizzle there. Also, it’s literally just parasocial porn, which has always been a massive business.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:59 PM
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Everyone is rightly saying how immensely stupid this is from a legal pov of what else you’d need to change without specifically saying “women are idiots with their pussies until 25 and cannot be thought of as adults.” And obviously your argument should fall apart there specifically. But also! This would just delay the already pathetically delayed onset of adulthood and agency by giving ppl yet more time to ossify into their stupid self diagnosed mental disorders and do nothing about fixing them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:45 PM
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What you’re leaving out is how restrictive the “old ways” also were for men. When women are dependent on you, you have entirely different macro social responsibilities. When that’s no longer the case, women ALSO have to “improve” in the sense that if you want a man in your life, you have to give him what he WANTS. And in most cases, sure some of the qualities you listed are important in a life partner, but just that YOU see them as “gorgeous successful wonderful” means nothing. Basically, men’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:17 PM
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Zero disagreements there. I’m just saying those nice qualities you just listed (intuition and perceptiveness) are equally likely to be ascribed to a hot/charismatic man who isn’t actually richer in them, they just feel better coming from him. (“Wow this guy I already want knew the perfect time to put his arm around me”) And then ppl tell you to “improve” some holistic aspect of your “personality” when you’d be better off just CARING less and flirting more. Women sublimating their attraction cues…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 09:24 PM
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Eh, the problem is the immutable traits also influence perception of behavior. Like you are CORRECT that blackpill PPD lifers make a cartoon of this to deflect agency from themselves. However, that doesn’t mean women are generally responding to behavioral traits in a vacuum or just after hotness threshold check—basically since there are certain actions that are hot when a hot guy does it and awful when someone they aren’t attracted to does. And worse, romantic pursuit involves more of these high…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:23 PM
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Promise you, as someone who has shamelessly brought a (very smart and badass) 19 year old from pennsyltucky to grad school parties otherwise totally attended by MIT and Harvard people, THIS DOES NOT INCREASE YOUR PRESTIGE. Obviously this is extreme but among the sort of people who are judging you for this shit, you need to not just have a “hot” girlfriend but someone with an acceptable pedigree to pseudo meritocratic credentials junkies. Whether it’s just looking and sounding right to former sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 04:58 PM
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The emojis really bring out sinister undertones in this otherwise rational and extremely well phrased take on parenthood
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:46 PM
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Her tits are so big they almost make her waist-hip ratio look higher than it is. Like one ex of mine got a crazy boob job (i was skeptical of) bc she wanted her bust and hips measurements equal. I feel like waist-hip ratio is the closest thing to height for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:17 PM
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Anyone complaining here is absolutely mind warped. but if you WERE going to complain in a mind warped way she could stand to be a tad more ratio’d W-H given her bust.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:04 PM
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Totally depends on the lead up. Like there was a recent post where a woman had been allegedly assaulted after bringing a random guy back to her place (to “hang out”) after a girl’s night out. And many ppl just weren’t having the argument that “she isn’t getting dumped for any rape, but rather for bringing a stranger dude back after a bar night.” Like if she HADNT gotten assaulted, still obviously grounds for a breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:20 PM
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I am not “challenged” or inspired by someone solely bc they hack it in a psuedo meritocratic system i have little respect for (but participate in myself as i have no other effective option as a man). I also have zero interest in “fixing” women, which is why I don’t want to date neurotic difficult ppl who swing around their socioeconomic capital like it’s worthy of awe. It’s pathetic when some lawyer bro in a 3 series does it, and it’s equally pathetic when women do it (now that, as you observe, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:52 PM
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Only they can love me in the way I personally value (I acknowledge that side of it). I’ve experienced enough other forms of supposedly genuine love that didn’t do it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:10 PM
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Meme answer is women lie (to themselves and to men) about romance, but pussy doesn’t lie. Primal lust to one woman may mean she is overcome with wild desire she can’t control; to another it’s just “this guy is good vibes and i can fuck him.” The longer a region of emotional space i have to travel before i end up there, the less interested i am—for reasons i believe are truly directed toward worthwhile and lasting connections. But honestly it’s a scarcity issue. I’ve barely been single and never …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:59 PM
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Building the love is a waste of time and life energy if there is not a foundation of primal lust. It is a thing built of pure opportunity cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:42 PM
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If you are a fake love bomby player just trying to score without really thinking about what you’re chasing yes. I’m actually very relationship oriented but I’m enough of a catch you get people who think they’re in love with you but aren’t showing it sexually (enough). I want FEWER mediocre connections, not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:37 PM
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Because (to men) it is the most honest and primary form of attraction where all the performative aspects of attraction are just voluntary upside. Thus it is the best foundation for a GOOD relationship. (Where good and long are not necessarily equivalent but can be)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:25 PM
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It is a majority to women who only see certain men and migrate to them like bugs hitting the bug zapper light. It is NOT a majority of men to women who consider a wider range of men in their physical and emotional qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:33 PM
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That isn’t a majority unless you are just a fool who trips up on the lowest fuckboy grade shit with men you should know better than unless you’re in high school. The majority of men behave as i have described
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:22 PM
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Whole point is I don’t really know that until after sex and attempting a relationship. The quality of sex is very much part of how “into someone” you are. Hurt is an obvious risk of romance and men get plenty of it. No pain no gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:14 PM
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She doesn’t have BAD character, she just isn’t their life partner ideal after vetting and attempting a relationship. Idk how you went from “men aren’t psychic about all humans” to bad character. And anyway i am very much a gender egalitarian who promotes forms of feminism so that women are independent and i don’t have personal responsibility to guide their lives if we aren’t banging
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:10 PM
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I mean you just did literally the opposite of that. But anyway by the same token you don’t get men. If they are lying to anyone it is to themselves: they are excited to get laid, they project that happiness onto the woman, then after some sex they realize a lot of thar idealization was in their head and she’s not their ideal. That only becomes clear after sex. Is what it is, but if blaming men makes you feel better about it, go for it. Won’t change my or most mens behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:45 PM
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It’s definitely more ego preserving to assume that instead of facing that she was just lacking. I won’t care to say it’s a form of toxic femininity that demonizes men bc there are worse forms of that. But it IS BS ego preservation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:39 PM
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Because ppl go in with the fig leaf of “hooking up” and catch feelings. Bc men give women they don’t have “love at first sight” with chances and then find the personality/matchup isn’t some revelation and the relationship is meh. Like it’s a basic advertising and political truth that ppls conscious motives don’t always line up with actual decisions. Seems mind boggling to deny that extends to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:32 PM
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She wasn’t “used” for sex. They started exploring a dating connection, which includes sex, and he decided it wasn’t really his jam. Consent can be revoked at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:06 PM
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Zero irony should be put down
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:00 PM
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What about the vast majority of more normal situations where people are exploring a connection, and the guy decides she isn’t gonna be walking down the aisle after a short period, generally after some sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:52 PM
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This should be a tramp stamp so you’re always reminded of your allyship when hitting from behind
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:44 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Panarello Every time someone completely denies this side of female sexuality, you know exactly how how much their opinion is worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:16 PM
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Celebratory trip to Bangkok, she can come along if she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 03:34 PM
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I’m not “one of those guys” and it’s super disingenuous to pretend like many women aren’t attention addicts who need a fix like guys are desperate for sex. It’s not her “fault” if some guy has no self respect, but a “he likes me So Much” friendship just often doesn’t have the same reciprocity as a normal friendship, and pretending this shit doesn’t exist just makes more manospherians.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 09:50 PM
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Sometimes it’s “ugh if i never saw this guy again that’d be great but we share enough friends i need to let him down easy.” Other times it’s “guy is too chickenshit to push things into genuine romance and girl is okay with the situation.” Other times it’s “guy is nice for attention and the warmth of companionship but this does nothing for me sexually.” All of them get called the friendzone bc the guy isn’t getting laid and wants to be. Men stay there for a variety of reasons equally. It’s not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:07 PM
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Objectively attractive but something very unnerving about her gaze. I’d go on a date but expect either weirdness or unpleasantness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 07:15 PM
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Definitely a younger gen thing. Older women are more likely to enjoy “classy” bdsm and younger women are more likely to do the whole “choke me and spit in my mouth” act. Worth noting this desire is often not actually SUBMISSIVE, but rather fairly demanding and often “top from the bottom” stuff. Personally I actually blame SSRIs for deadening people to more sensual stuff. It’s like emotional dick death grip, but hey…. I still like girls in tennis skirts and it’s a pretty high correlation to that …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 07:52 PM
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What’s new is that online dating supercharges the pareto nature of female attraction. It gives women “options” that are not actually romantic or relationship options by making it easier to meet top tier men who would never otherwise cross paths and will not date them but will waste their time, which prompts a lot of mutual bitterness between sexes. Fwiw i am not a super marriage minded or traditional man, and i LIKE the current environment as a weirdo niche industry (which OLD is good for). But …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 06:29 PM
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Does this really “end the argument?” Or is it just not a census level take on statistically representative “all women?” For instance if male premium users constantly filtered out any type of “overweight” body from their matches, you really wouldn’t draw a SINGLE inference about male preferences outside those premium users? Seems like a hard way to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 06:15 PM
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Yes i would have enough emotional attachment that I wouldn’t use you as bait or pet feed and would let you live out your month long lifespan in a tank while i bang a new human girl
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:18 PM
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Totally, good basic is just another word for “everyone’s type”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:17 PM
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She’s just the most algorithmically basic kind of hot. I feel like if she’s famous like 5% of the women in any good club should be famous. It’s not that she isn’t hot; she’s just terminally basic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:09 PM
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Hot mtfs have a pretty insane “curiosity fuck” ceiling, like my really cute friend has hooked up with a player from the high division college football team, has had really rich sugar daddies etc. The men who want to FUCK a trap is way higher than the number who will be seen publicly dating one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:47 PM
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If i agree men do the same when given opportunity, does that mean i think it’s judgement free human nature and not rooted in a dislike of women? This entire post was a little spergy but made none of the nasty judgements you seem really fixated on
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:40 PM
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Those women are often prioritizing the guy they are trying to fwb into a relationship or just accepting the situation to be with him. They are then spurning men who would have greater romantic interest in them bc those men are inferior to what they can “get” (but not lock down)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:26 PM
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I like some ass, but yeah on a pretty thin girl. I’m attracted to women beyond my main ideal, and I recognize even ppl I’m not attracted to are attractive. I just pretty much only seriously date small women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:40 PM
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Honestly I actually think it’s a detail the most truly meat and potatoes heterosexual men barely notice consciously. I am a self identified prissy guy, and i meant what i said about masculine/feminine. But i still think they’re just fabulous
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:27 PM
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I think the current booty moment is swinging back as we speak. But i agree body ideals are way more fragmented and “tribe” based than monolithic these days. Still, I’ll bet you see a thinner pendulum swing in the near future
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:22 PM
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Thigh gap discourse reminds women that they’re both not ratioed enough AND not thin enough at the same time. It combines a masculine urge to ogle privates with a feminine urge to focus on details. Basically thigh gap is glorious, and everyone knows it, whether they love or hate the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:44 PM
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Men this describes eventually opt in to hierarchies that reinforce the values they desire. They are “lower” than the alpha frat daddy or the highest k/d ratio no lifer in their discord group because they have chosen and adopted that value system, and the reward/payout of that system seems rational to them. There is no opting in or out of the value system of female desire! And it often does not seem “rational” to them because it isn’t set up along one of those “do your role and get your rewards” …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:57 PM
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The modern form should be a game hypertext where depending on how you build her she either is a perfect waifu, leaves you for human chad, or got too many AI upgrades and makes her own robo chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:08 PM
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She’s ‘objectively’ in that 7.5 range where she’s obviously more attractive than average but her energy and background make her hotter, especially if you like her work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:39 PM
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Not to start the internet’s oldest argument but I think a golden mean thing applies here. Most of what I’ve seen says a few days gives you a testosterone boost and benefits decrease after that. I feel like mass coomer dick just makes ppl forget about the other side of the equation: you either use it or lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:28 PM
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There’s a difference between moral blame and pointing out the basicness of it all lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:20 PM
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That only vaguely applies to hubs like amsterdam that are surrounded by less legal places. And at the end of the day it’s a bodily autonomy issue. If 9/10 women think prostitution is gross and terrible… but 1 says “PU$$Y for sale” … she has every right given the overall ideals of liberal feminism . Finally, if there were waiting lines that long, the prices would rise and attract more women. This is a macro post that basically tells men “heterosexuality is a free market so tough shit, deal with i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:11 PM
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I think you’re partly very right, but i also think there’s an aspect of women gravitating to the apocalyptic scenarios because they’re weirdly more comforting psychologically than the larger reality that also involves men indifferent to them beyond sex. Like overly online women have a weird obsession with loser guys, and it’s roundly observed how frequently these women are burned by fwb situations or basically the sexual and social privilege that INCREASES for apex men due to female liberation. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:35 PM
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Now This is a substantive difference but i disagree. I definitely think the whole trouble of male sexuality is there is a vast zone between women you have an instinctive or learned commitment drive toward and then women who are bangable. To me, hookups are girls you don’t even love being seen with and only introduce to your sleazy friends lol. FWB girls you like being with beyond sex. And “girlfriend material” girls are those you proactively desire to stop the distractions for. Obviously that hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:17 AM
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You are very clearly not good at figurative language or interpreting conditional sentences, or else youre willfully obtuse. I meant IF you can tell she is below commitment level JUST by seeing her (ie her walking through the door) then fucking her is sport fucking. And like… do you really think you’re making an actual point in closing time vs not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:39 PM
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It really doesn’t! Dumpster diving to me just suggests fucking a girl who you know you’d never commit to the instant she walks through the door. But semantics. And yes hot men absolutely fuck totally average forgettable girls all the time; that’s like “bar at closing time 101”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 09:03 PM
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Maybe i rhetorically overstated the degree of post sex disgust, but there is “this girl is attractive enough to fuck” versus “i see this girl with passion and visceral desire”. The gulf between those two feelings is VAST, more than vast enough to make the latter sex better. And I literally just said she doesn’t need to be a whale; you’re just putting words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:51 PM
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One man’s dumpster slut is another man’s beloved wife. She doesn’t need to be “objectively” ugly or fat for a man to have no romantic or passionate view of her. Also let’s just say you aren’t bullshitting and are actually just that much of a stud. Cool dude good for you! This still needs to apply to a large enough selection set of men (ie all men capable of having casual sex) to be a good generalization. Otherwise it’s just “Harry Jowsey and Chibswhatever have a better sex life than i do”. And a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:43 PM
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Counterpoint: even “Chads” are often dumpster diving for casual sex. The way women complain about hookups often acting is textbook “guy is not remotely attracted to her as a human but needs his dick wet.” At least at first, Main girl sex is better than hookup sex because the girl is hotter and you have feelings (not even mushy lovey feelings, just FEELINGS) toward her. If this wasn’t true, apex men would never have main girls. Like obviously truly top men are often bad at monogamy, so why do the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:57 PM
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Except in cases where the guy is just being a little bitch, I think it’s about boundaries after the fact moreso. Like there’s a lot of manosphere emphasis on avoiding risk entirely, but that just hides the problem. I will be vulnerable in a mature way, and if my partner has an issue with it, i will replace her with someone better (or at least newer and more enthusiastic). In fact, from an abundance position, any excuse to go new girlfriend hunting is just threatening me with a good time. Meanwhi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:47 PM
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If they are TRULY invisible, there’s nothing lower than zero for them to lower toward. (Their “match” women have already accepted the cat life and/or are bottom barrel tinderellas ignoring them).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:23 AM
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No many of those “playboys” are acting like total simps around the women they idealize and you’ll see their cheesy engagement photos on instagram. They just aren’t acting that way to the women they’re in situationships with. (Again, they are ALREADY lowering their standards to fuck)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:07 AM
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You’re a 6/10, you should be careful talking to random women and maybe just stick with an ex girlfriend who still takes your calls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:04 AM
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They can do that if they want casual sex? Men lower their standards to sport fuck. Women lower their standards to find someone who sticks around after cumming. Tbh I don’t care about men who feel invisible totally. Either it cannot be helped or else they need to change their behavior and life. Lowering their standards is unlikely to help if they are getting ZERO attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:58 PM
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You don’t lower your standards for unfuckable men who make being angry at women their personality. But a lot of girls tell themselves there’s nothing in between that and dudes who see them as disposable holes. You lower your standards for the guy you had a brief exchange with before you ignored him for some guy who didn’t call back.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:40 PM
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Because mens casual sex league is lower than their relationship league, and for women it is the opposite. In a hookup app world (yes hinge is still a hookup app to guys) women are getting a false positive for relationships. This is only a problem if the woman is depressed about not having a relationship. If you just want to swing that pussy at the hottest guy who will take it for the night, proceed and ignore the noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:27 PM
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I feel like there’s a difference between two people who have a preexisting connection that the guy has been pussying around, versus “oh hey look at that guy i wonder what his deal is”. The latter case is what i was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:45 PM
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Partial answer, but the idea that ALL men hate women in male hobbies is HILARIOUS. Butthurt gatekeeping nerds who already feel they don’t have a chance lash out at those girls. But if most guys didn’t like this, there wouldn’t be an entire cottage industry of e-girls making money talking about video games and not even getting naked. Getting into guy hobbies is GREAT game for women with thick enough skin to ignore the toxic guys. It’s also a great way to understand just how much of a bore or jerk…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:39 PM
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Untrue; shyness manifests in body language and presence. She’s not necessarily just seeing him like a statue; she is just as attracted to what he’s doing in the moment. Like she’s probably not going to approach some guy hanging in the shadows. She’s going to go up and start dancing with some guy who’s already dancing. You’re not wrong about those first thirty seconds, but again… with the exception of a few brooding gorgeous autists, the guys being approached are probably not struggling to begin …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:50 PM
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The men complaining about women not making the first move are not going to benefit from women making the first move. Because women aren’t going to approach shy risk avoidant wallflowers who are so scared of rejection they are trying to reverse the basic grain of heterosexuality. Women approaching men who would have ignored them otherwise is a great way to get fuckzoned. Good relationships can come of it when from weirder women actually DO approach shy guys, sure but it’s not what is usually goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:21 PM
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Sorry i just checked the sub and 9/10 of the top comments are like “oh wow so tragic, but it’s gonna be MORE tragic for her to kill this baby.” Only one in the top ten said would you claimed, and most below didnt. Consensus on the REDDIT sub definitely seems to be that this is fucked up but she should have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:36 PM
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You had fewer of them and they were more known as players within scenes. Indie rock girls had that one bassist, gym bunnies had those few gym studs etc. Now every type of rodeo dick is available, and it’s not as obvious that many of the guys are just playing whack a hole with these girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:12 PM
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I mean “bleh” for someone whose entire job is being attractive and magnetic is different from average person bleh. It’s like when models complain about two inch standards on their waists. You’re a fucking model! Your job is to mog everyone! Do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:33 PM
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She’s undeniably attractive but she’s always been caught in this interzone where she’s not sexy enough to be hot but also not model striking enough to be beautiful. Like she’s super attractive! But there are vibes deeper than just being photogenic, and she’s always been kind of bleh in energy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:27 PM
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Both are totally minimized by each camp at their peril. Men base their opinions seeing who and what women fuck publicly, whether or not women have positive feelings about it afterward. Men also fail to account for how different archetypes of men wear different behavior better—though women don’t exactly help in that regard. Women base it on their ideals and the experiences they look back on fondly while minimizing how much their “uh yeah THAT night” choices incentivize men to behave like the guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 08:57 PM
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saying that women don’t get hot for X does not mean they DO get hot for the opposite of X. Most men are afraid of sluts, as the screeching men here will tell you. That does NOT mean men are especially attracted to prude plain horsegirl virgins (actual ones, not manosphere meme ideas). The exact same is true of women. All that stuff you listed is NICE. But also! any cursory glance at women complaining about their relationships reveals many women do in fact get attached to lazy indifferent bums, j…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:54 PM
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These are all assets to you in a long term relationship but they go in the liabilities column for men. The early dating scene young hetero people face shows that you absolutely do not need ANY of this if you are hot and cool. Young men hearing this kind of stuff and then watching their crush pair off with the sleaziest mushroom hair tiktok scrub is all it takes to realize they are being sold a bill of goods. Maybe you’ve always valued this for instinctive attraction; I’m not going to question yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:26 PM
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The thing is men don’t have to be half the genuinely good qualities you listed during their formative years; they just need to be hot and cool. Your post is a deflection bc at your age you’re generally using relationship standards but trying to talk about sex. When men ACTUALLY “improve” in the ways specifically geared to sex, you get superficial peacocking fuckboys who get good at cultivating their image, smooth talking, and pre-establishing a low bar for relationships. Is that the best man you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:40 PM
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There are really only two sexual orientations: likes dick or doesn’t. Bi women like dick so they are straight. Bi men like dick so they’re gay. I don’t agree with this btw, but it’s how ppl actually operate, and it’s weirdly cock centric when you think about it. (Or misogynist in assuming anyone who WILL date a man will eventually prefer it). Also, many bi women aren’t really all that bi, in that they will never actually have a pussy in their face but will still say they are. Meanwhile “str8” gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:12 PM
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The vast majority of men struggle to get laid (in the sense that it takes more time effort thought than women imagine or would like to ponder). The few who do not struggle are massively signal boosted by the way ppl meet today. If you’ve been in a relationship with good sex and you aren’t a supermodel, that man almost certainly struggled for sex in life, even if it looked fluid to you. But your second point is essentially saying women are clueless about men willingly having sex with women they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 07:07 PM
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Agreeing with your argument on cultural plasticity, but the ancient greeks, romans, and egyptians all removed body/pubic hair regularly (often both genders, with greek athletes doing similar stuff as modern body builders do in pics). It’s not just a late media thing but seems like a common cyclical preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 05:00 PM
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There are many men who struggle to get laid (generally or with a specific girl) and know they need to impress her if they want to come back. There are others who don’t struggle to get laid and know they don’t need to impress a girl, especially one they see as just a low hookup. If a girl’s casual sex roster includes more of the latter, her own choices are a big part of that given her wide options. Men work harder to impress girls they’re genuinely attracted to, in whatever context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:01 PM
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Sorry but the trans rules for early sex are different. If you’re not getting head under the table at drinks/dinner you’ve been put into the beta category.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 09:34 PM
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All of your points are unfortunately invalidated by the supreme weird choice to put your income on your profile. You’re supposed to dogwhistle your good job while posting rock climbing pics and dogs, duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 05:38 PM
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Many of those men actually DO support the paradigm because it means lessened domestic responsibility and social chivalry. You get to hang back, do whatever you want, and never bother marrying anyone unless YOU really want to. Women you aren’t fucking aren’t your problem any more than some random guy is. Women you ARE fucking are only your problem as long as you want them to be. I agree that insipid reply guy “allies” can be cringe, but it truly often comes from a place where men ENJOY this parad…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 02:36 PM
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Nobody ever touts a girl as homely. But if a guy is constantly getting burned chasing the most hot thots he can, yes ppl will tell him to go after a more typically demure and “plain” girl who isn’t darting out on him every time she gets an intriguing IG dm. That’s the more defensible substance of what men are saying when women complain about committement-phobe players, but there’s enough bitter hyperbole to allow ppl to strawman that away.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 06:02 PM
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One registers as “gosh what a shame, she’d be attractive minus 80 lbs or so” and the other doesn’t register. For me personally fat is never attractive, but i can recognize when someone would be attractive if they weren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 02:02 PM
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Absolutely fun for a while but I’ll place my bets on the girl with a smaller ass looking better in 10 years. But still if that ratio is real and not shopped or very lens distorted, she can carry WAY more weight well than a typical woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 05:29 PM
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Lol just let me wait for the 90s to come back when all the girls will be raving about short guys then. I’ll wait as long as it takes!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:53 PM
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smh when drake mentions kids and you troll him over ghostwriters vs his dating life lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 12:55 PM
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If there was real love i would truly stay and then shamelessly milk the “good caregiver boyfriend with paralyzed girlfriend” angle on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 06:04 PM
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21st century laurie anderson esque poetry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 05:57 PM
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One of the best “girl takes off glasses and lets down hair to become hot” moments in cinema. Of course the story this comes from is seedy as all hell. Isn’t this bookstore a grey market porn library?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 05:55 PM
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Lol if your standard for a good relationship offers no space between “absolute basic human care” and “simp/doormat” … I don’t know what to tell you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 05:04 PM
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I mean the type of dedication you offer a woman you are building your life around, which is higher than even your close friends. So basically neither the gold digger vs “basic care only an incel wouldn’t understand” choices you gave me lol. It can obviously manifest differently depending on the type of dedication valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 04:59 PM
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Is Women feeling loved through dedication equal bullshit? Very “relationship attractive” men KNOW women want them for commitment just like hot girls know men want to bang them. Both parties frequently end up with an attitude like “ok yeah why don’t you offer me something rarer and more valuable.” For the hot women that is commitment and life dedication. For the men it is sexual dedication.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 04:50 PM
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Plenty of women enjoy dating more conservative men who don’t humiliate them in front of their friends being edgelords. It’s more masculine not to give a shit about debating libertarianism at brunch with a bunch of woo girls who just want to feel like good ppl and drink sparkling wine. This dgaf attitude is also better at melding views together than a debate club dweeb attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 08:52 PM
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Yeah if he’s kidnapped someone this dude doesn’t halfass things
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 08:27 PM
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This is more a job for smart, emotionally present hookers, who will also bang you after this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 05:31 PM
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I mean stereotypically men equally desire both sexual variety and also sexual control (vs monogamy). It’s a similar 7-10 split only the gorgeous and/or shameless can really pull off, but plenty of us try it! The “gotcha” is less women’s competing drives, and more that they don’t RECOGNIZE hypergamy bc of apex fallacies (and also the harsh gaze of hypergamy itself)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 05:23 PM
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Well make like marie antoinette to your local hobos and let them eat cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 03:23 PM
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Or you could just make the best baking possible and spread them around so you only slightly ruin EVERYONE’s diet instead of tanking his. My coworkers had very complicated feelings about my ex’s baking mania period.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 03:13 PM
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But that entire post is the same retardation, bc he is a pissy little bitch who needs women not to be uncomfortable first. If you know you are approaching someone in a respectful way and appropriate place (and that you aren’t going to rape them) then their possible discomfort is just the price of admission. A psychologically masculine person does not care but also doesn’t BLAME them for a natural response. You just move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 03:04 PM
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I would be fucking escorts within days/weeks likely as a grief response (i know this sounds absurd but I’m pretty sure). I’d probably be shy off any kind of actual deep committed relationship for up to a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:54 PM
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In the hopefully five minutes it took you to write this, some chaotic bartender who sleeps on a mattress on the floor banged a hot trust fund girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 10:32 PM
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Sorry this makes perfect sense. Some girls are born with a bomb waist hip ratio that boxy betches could never squat their way to in a lifetime. Same with male frames.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 08:34 PM
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Looks like someone has discovered the golden mean in life! If men are not proactive and assertive enough we are limp unfuckable doormats. If we are TOO proactive and aggressive we are evil rapists (whether or not anyone has been assaulted). Just how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:20 PM
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That women often confuse their aesthetic ick for their safety standards. I was at a show recently with a friend who has her “spot” at the venue stage front, but there was a super awkward looking dweeb dude there this time. She starts going OFF about white men taking up space and being aggressive it’s like, girl the dude is head nodding and taking up half the space your spastic ass hippie dancing is gonna, and everything about his posture was already beaten down into “not gonna bother anyone”. Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:24 PM
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Genuinely no single answer and many conflicting. I still think magicthink male ego bluepill optimism is a powerful force, if only bc it can keep ppl at the game, and just staying in is better than not. On the opposite hand, i do think it’s possible to approach it like “i will have to work much harder for much less reward than others” and still do that in a calculated, self protecting way without falling into the void. Trouble is, most ppl stuck in horrible, shit benefit, dead end jobs working fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:06 PM
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He has such a high strung vibe I’m guessing knotted dog and he’s tired of only degenerate coomers being okay with it. (Anyway i bet Yae knows for sure)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:37 PM
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“Not being homeless is a choice” “not being successful is a choice” “not being [some other non sexual thing] is a choice” ^ all true in some way but also really stupid if someone is trying to explain why a clever orphan ended up homeless and a dumb failson didn’t. I think there are way better ways of getting around self destructive blackpill fatalism than the equivalent of what some douchebag in a tacky car just says offhand about wealth when pressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:29 PM
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“Ur only saying that bc Gorou has a big tail. If he was shorter or had a small tail you’d be demanding he get euthanized at the pound”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:14 PM
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