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no you idiot. I didn't want either the relation OR sex. Stop trying to legitimise my abuser you fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:14 PM
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Ok, so that's transactional sex and is not loving sex between two equals. I don't see that relationship as valid because it's in the same vein as prostitution. Meets the definition of possible to be defrauded though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:55 PM
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It is what my ex did. She just wanted to dominate me, and she tried to use sex to do it, to keep me in a relationship I didn't want. That's what you're trying to do. You're trying to use sex to keep a relationship a man doesn't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:24 PM
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You think once you have sex with someone then you're in a relationship with them and you can continue to dominate them. That's being a fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:13 PM
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Only if you think the sex was transactional. Sex is not transactional, it is not something you have or own that you can exchange for other things. It is an experience you enjoy with another person. If you think it is something that you have or own that you "give" to men as a "reward" for being in a relationship with you, then you need therapy because you hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:09 PM
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You want to force men to be in relationships with you. That's rape. I wonder how many men you've done this to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:02 PM
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You must hate yourself a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:59 PM
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Then you're annoyed about having been lied to. Not about having had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:59 PM
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She didn't. She tried to use sex after I broke up with her. Try to keep up. I'm done with this conversation. You want to think I'm evil. Fine. Hope you have fun with that. I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:52 PM
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What makes you think I was in a relationship only to get sex? You just hate men. Go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:39 PM
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Where did I say that I continued the relationship? I told you I didn't like that she tried to bargain for a relationship with sex. You're as bad as her, and a fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:21 PM
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I made the assumption that we were talking about two people who were looking to have some kind of relationship of equals. If we're not, and we're actually talking about prostitution, for example, then my position would be one of confusion because I don't think prostitutes are complaining about being used for sex. That would be stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:13 PM
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Not sure what you're talking about. Yes you've triggered something. I had a woman try to keep me in a relation by using sex as a bargaining chip. What are you trying to call me? You sound as bad as she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:11 PM
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It does to you and your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:10 PM
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Similarly for men, a woman letting you buy her dinner whatever it’s fundamentally using you unless she intentionally uses words and actions to make you feel she’s more invested when she isn’t This is why I don't buy women dinner unless we're in a relationship or she has intentionally used words or action to show me she's invested (like buying me dinner first, for example!). 50/50 all the way baby, not even a coffee on the first date. Women tend to feel used when the man was going out of his way …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:08 PM
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But I did, then I didn't. I can't change the past, and I did in the past anyway, so I can't and won't take accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:00 PM
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Sure. Just because transactional sex exists doesn't mean you have to take the view that all the sex you have is transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:56 AM
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Yes. You should be jailed for forcing men into relationships they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:55 AM
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Doesn't matter. They still can't lie to you about your feelings about whether or not you want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:54 AM
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Sure. I don't see that as loving sex between two equal people. I see that as inherently exploitative and an aberation. I hate the sex industry and wish it didn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:52 AM
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You're a fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:45 AM
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They can lie to you about their desire for a relationship. They can't lie to you about your feelings about whether you want to have sex or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:43 AM
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Sure. But we're not talking about a man who lies. We're talking about a man who has changed his mind. Are you going to force a man who has changed his mind to be in a relationship with you? That's rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:39 AM
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Not sure why it matters what the men think. It matters what your attitude towards sex is. If it is not transactional to you then you don't expect things in return for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:38 AM
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Women who have covert contracts or expect relationships to come along with sex "naturally" or somehow by default are also seeing sex as a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:27 AM
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These are things a rapist would say to try and trap a man in a relationship he doesn't want to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:09 AM
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Sex isn't a transaction so you can't be defrauded. You can covertly agree to a transaction if you want, but that just makes you entitled, not defrauded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:08 AM
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If you don't view sex as a transaction, then they can't lie to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:51 AM
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This would be all stuff you would have been aware of before having sex. Not things like unresolved trauma being triggered. Not things like being gay. Not things that I hadn't actually tried before. And no, not everyone talks about all this stuff before having sex. That's why it's a covert contract. Things are unsaid. That's why it's entitlement. This is just excuses rapests use to avoid accountability for their own actions Demanding valid reasons according to your personal judge is rape culture.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:41 AM
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Could be anything. From things like smell, body, or other things that I discover during sex. Or it could be the first time I go round her house and I notice that she doesn't look after herself. Or maybe she has some fetish that we talked about before but I decide, after giving it a go, that I dont want to participate in. Or I have some unresolved trauma that having sex triggered. Or maybe she doesn't mind having the dog in the room while we have sex and that's a red line for me. Or maybe I decid…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:33 AM
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Surely there's a dress code?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:18 AM
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If they're lying to you, it is a trap. If they are changing their mind, it is not a trap. These are two very different scenarios. You're suggesting I'm not allowed to change my mind, which is fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:15 AM
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It's women who have only known sex to be their "feminine power". If it's threatened by suggesting you can't actually use it to get what you want - against patriarchal ideals - then they feel threatened themselves. Because it's a patriarchal power they'd rather keep, in defence of their interests and their identity as women. Men do this too. But they're not going to be commenting under this post because they're not under attack here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:12 AM
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Cruelty implies intent. It would be worse if I had continued in the relationship when actually, something had changed - my feelings about the relationship. And if she makes it clear it’s important to her and not something she does lightly, you are raping her by lying to her to get sex. Except I didn't lie. I changed my mind about what I was looking for. Am I not allowed to change my mind? Lots of women enjoy doing casual sex, Not that many. Far less than the demand for them. you don’t have to li…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:08 AM
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Oh, no I was hoping to be hot enough to fuck but not hot enough to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:03 AM
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Ok. We agree about a lot of things so far but none of them are about the subject so I'm guessing you just want to have a rant about something or are in your feelings so I'm just gonna go now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:01 AM
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To some, not to all. It can be unfortunate and hurtful, I'm not sure I'd say it's cruel if its not malicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:59 AM
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No one said anything about who created what. It exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:57 AM
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Expecting sex from a woman simply because you find her hot is entitlement. Agreed. Because sex is not a thing you give in exchange for things. I don't put nice coins in the nice box and get sex. You don't put sex in the sex box and get nice coins.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:56 AM
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I'm sorry that happened and your feelings of being "used" do not come from entitlement. I will note, however, people can change their minds about a thing. It could be that you weren't lied to. I would gently suggest having a different attitude about sex. It is not a thing you give in exchange for a relationship, because it is not a thing that you own. It is an expereince you enjoy with another person because you, in that moment, wanted to have that experience and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:52 AM
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Yes. And that is wrong. But you've admitted that the standard exists. So this was a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:46 AM
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Huh? Sex isn't a thing you give in exchange for things. Sex is an experience you (hopefully) enjoy with another person. There is no exchange. It's entitlement to expect to receive anything for "giving" sex; that's a covert contract. You're acting as though sex is this thing that women have that they give to men in exchange for goods and services. Do you not see that men have their own sexuality that is a part of who they are? Are you not attracted to men? It's fine if you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:43 AM
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She should not have gone to jail. But yes, invalidation of consent does imply jailtime, as evidenced by the fact that someone went to jail for lying. Doubel standards should not exist, but that doesn't mean the standard doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:38 AM
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Obviously not, that's not what I said. Do you see most men behaving like that around women? Then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:31 AM
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She's allowed to feel whatever she likes. It's still entitlement. Different people have different expectations of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:30 AM
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What if my intention was valid, but I changed my mind afterwards? What if my intention wasn't known to myself at the time? What if intention was kinda vague and "not sure what I'm looking for"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:25 AM
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So she needs to communicate her expectation for a serious relationship if that is the requirement she has. If she does not do this, then her feelings of being "used" if that doesn't happen are just entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:22 AM
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Ah, fair, they're just not all that into men like men are into women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:19 AM
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When women are asked what they're attracted to they keep saying "personality".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:46 AM
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What if I want to "optimize my options"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:24 AM
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But what if I find them attractive and don't want to be their friend? Do I just not approach them then? Do no women ever see a guy, think he's attractive, and wouldn't want to just be their friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:23 AM
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The law is designed so women won’t be devastated The law protects men too btw. For the SAHDs out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:12 AM
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Why just SAHMs? Why not the SAHDs too? Or the SAHNBs?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:10 AM
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Good for you. I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was talking about women in general. Because that's what you asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:32 PM
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So how is a person supposed to make friends if they're in a new city, for example? If they're not supposed to interact with strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:12 PM
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Sure. I was making a joke. But also, patriarchy exists, and so there are many shared social ideas about how different genders should behave. And this is one of them. Not sure why that's controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:11 PM
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No, and not applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:06 PM
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Literally just finished having another converation with a woman who was like "I would never!" about this so I guess go back to the hive mind and have a big think about it? Not sure what HTH means? Women are part of Society, which means they're as indoctrinated with patriarchal ideas as everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:01 PM
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Why, then, would anyone do this: everyone just interacts in a friendly way with people who are already giving clear signs of interest and sees what happens? If there is no sign of interest that would make you want to interact in a friendly way with a person? Or are you actually just expecting men to do this and not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:53 PM
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Have y'all never talked to someone at like a party or event? Yes. I usually start the conversation or I join a conversation already happening. I'm struggling to understand because....I just socialize and conversation happens. 🤷 Well, in conversations you have to take turns, because one person speaks and the other person(s) listens, then you switch sides. Other forms of speech exist, like speeches and interviews, that have more rules, but most conversatiosn don't have many rules. Turn-taking is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:50 PM
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Compared to women... yes. It's not like I got any dates with this method. I just decided to be single instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:45 PM
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I wish women were more vocal about what they like appearance-wise in a guy. But I keep being told that they prefer what a man "does" and his "personality".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:43 PM
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I'd be happy to be approached by anyone, it would make me feel desirable, even if I wasn't attracted to the person approaching me. It's a darn sight better than no approach at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:42 PM
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The women who just said "hi" get filtered out pretty quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:40 PM
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Agency over your romantic life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:40 PM
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But the people who are giving clear signs of interest are strangers? And what kind of clear sign of interest from a strange man would make you approach him?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:37 PM
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Someone has to start a conversation to become friends with that person in the first place. Or, if you're already friends, someone has to do something to turn conversation from friendly to flirty. Or, at some point, if conversation is already flirty, someone has to ask the other for some time spent together at a third location. Or, if you've already spent some together time at a third location, someone has to invite the other to their place for.... coffee. Usually it's the guy doing all these thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:34 PM
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The conversation adjustment doesn't happen randomly. Someone does something to make that happen. If you're not the one doing it, they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:31 PM
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Rejecting most of your options without giving them a chance means youre not desperate. Compared to women, men are a lot more desperate. See how the statement can change when we change what we're comparing to? It depends what you want, do you want to accept that men are romantically inferior and subject them to different criteria and a higher bar to pass, or do you want to advocate for equality and compare them against each other? Are you redpilled or are you a feminist? So you guys arent differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:11 PM
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It might do, not today and not tomorrow but some day. Culture takes a while to change. I just want to point out that you're blaming a lot on the men for this when everyone upholds patriarchal ideals. The last thing a person who is currently drowning needs is more water. There are benefits to having more agency over your dating life even if you've got lots of options already. There's literally no downside to having more agency. Additionally, if you don't want to advocate for more agency for all w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:29 PM
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Yes, men say these things. I never said they didn't. I explicitly said they did. Women do too. You might not, but you're not all women. Shaming on male vulnerability is a corner stone of patriarchal culture and will be the majority of messaging that men receive - from everyone and everywhere, irrespective of gender, class, or creed. You might not like it, but that's what is happening and a lot of crap happens as a result. Some of the crap that happens as a result is a shaming of men for being sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:45 PM
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Real desperation is 80% like rate This is an arbitrary benchmark for pickiness. Who are you to say that desperation is an 80% like rate? We should compare like rates between men and women to see who is picky. Of the 290 women he matched with…he messaged only 87 while 12 women messaged first. So 65% of his matches went ignored Again, you're not doing a comparison against a woman's experience with dating. You're just deciding, arbitrarily, that ignoring 65% of them is not desperate enough. I'm sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:11 PM
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Who is shaming men and calling them cowards? This kind of socialisation starts in the home and continues through school and into adulthood. From family, friends, peers, coworkers, and strangers. From all genders of all backgrounds. Some less than others, but always present. I recommend reading feminist literature to learn more about male socialisation. It doesn't stop at fears around initiation, it is about anything that demands vulnerability, including expressing feelings, sexuality, and simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:59 PM
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I'm not picky when you compare my match rate to women. You're using an arbitrary benchmark for pickiness instead of doing a like-for-like comparison. Yes I'm envious, that doesn't make me wrong. I'm not lying to you. Then why are guys here always using outliers as proof how hard guys have it? I was using statistics I googled, not outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:46 PM
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No. Because you've added a content word "enjoy", and you've changed the modality (not a tense) from a command to a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:01 PM
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It's true. I do love women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:58 PM
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Ok, so that's a very different question. And the answer is that examining where their preferences come from doesn't help a man achieve their goal of finding a relationship. Helping a man find the relationships or to be drowning in pussy like they want is the goal. If you're going to suggest introspection then you're going to have to explain how introspection leads to a guy to be able to get laid easily with actionable and measurable steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:58 PM
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Few enough men or in low enough intensity that women don't act as though they want men as much as men want women? Seems pretty insignifcant and a "whatever" point tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:55 PM
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I very frequently see advice for women on dating subreddits when they're concerned about not finding what they like to not include the kind of "active" advice I've mentioned. Just the other day I had to scroll quite a while before I found anyone suggesting that a woman at least plan the second date for a guy she had already been on a first date with. There was a presumption that the guy would plan all of the dates. This is a very common pattern I see with advice given to women, it would be nice …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:38 PM
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There’s no substantial difference between their pickiness If we measure pickiness by number of matches divided by the number of right swipes a person sends on an app then we can see that men's pickiness is about 4% while women's pickiness is about 40%. That's a 10x more picky than men. I would call 10x more picky very substantial. If you would like a different measure of "pickiness" then I'm happy to hear it, but we've got to compare apples to apples. My post talks about multiple examples if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:33 PM
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They're not different words. Same word, different conjugations due to tense. This is basic english.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:57 PM
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Ah, well if you're looking to clarify what you meant then that's a different story. But then your whole post is going to look very different. If you'd like to change what you said you're welcome to. I understood your position from your post, but if you've since changed your position how was I supposed to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:56 PM
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From a woman who isn't in to me, miss me with that, thank god. Ew. Worse than a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:54 PM
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It was a paraphase so that the sentence would conjugate, the meaning of the sentence was retained. Here is the full quote: If the movement is about helping lonely men find relationships, why is the solution almost always "become attractive enough for conventionally attractive women" instead of asking whether your own ideas about beauty, gender, and desirability are unnecessarily narrow? I've highlighted the word I had to conjugate because I removed the hypothetical clause for ease of reading. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:48 PM
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Please give him my condolences, couldn't be me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:23 PM
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Except you never said "be more self aware". You said: If the movement is about helping lonely men find relationships... [ask] whether your own ideas about beauty, gender, and desirability are unnecessarily narrow? The implication clearly being that asking whether your ideas about beauty, gender, and desirability, are unnecessarily narrow should help you find a relationship. Presumably because, if they are unnecessarily narrow then they could broaden them to include fat, old, disabled, or trans w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:22 PM
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Likewise!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:09 PM
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If you're right that women don't feel sexual attraction to men's appearance then not for any man :(, myself included for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:07 PM
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Doesn't do it for me I'm afraid :( I wish it did. But I'm cursed to be heterosexual and cisgender, dealing with a confusing sexuality from my counterparts that doesn't look like it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:02 PM
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Ok? Nothing actually changes? I continue to dismiss older women, fat women, disabled women, or transwomen but this time in hand? This continues to not help me find relationships and the solutions continues to be "become attractive enough" and I continue with a narrow idea about beauty, gender, and desirability? This is besides the point. Your goal here was not to elevate anyone's understanding of themselves in relation to the context of their environment. Your goal here was to tell men to date f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:56 PM
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atm, just you, and only just now. I don't see what other purpose "deconstructing societal beauty standards" could have other than lowering them. What would your response be to a redpilled guy who answered: "yes, I have deconstructed the societal beauty standards and I understand where my attraction has come from and it is not changing and I am not going to try to influence others to do the same?".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:44 PM
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This is underhanded and vieled talk. I should think you're better than this. There's only one goal here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:37 PM
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No, I prefer women, I've tried that. I guess if females don't work like that then I'd rather having nothing to do with it at all. Women don't seem to be all that into men. Maybe you're projecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:30 PM
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It could mean hitting on people they're attracted to. It could mean asking men they already know out on dates. It could mean approaching a man with the intention of getting to know them and then asking them out on a date. It could mean approaching a man at a club for a dance, getting their number, then inviting them out on a date the next day. Or talking to a guy at a weekly social event for a few weeks and then asking them out on a date. It doesn't mean not asking a man out on a date; that's pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:23 PM
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Yes, I know. It gives me the ick to think my appearance wouldn't make a woman want to sleep with me. I'm off the whole idea, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:15 PM
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I would never want to sleep with a woman who didn't find my appearance sexually appealing. That feels so icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:55 PM
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Because women aren't really all that into men I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:53 PM
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Okay, well that's a different situ than what I thought we were discussing. I assumed that "men should sleep with some uggos" meant men should sleep with people they're not attracted to. I've expanded it to include anyone they have to play dancing monkey for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:57 PM
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No, still disagree. It is better to be celibate, even involuntarily so, if the alternative is having sex with someone you're not attracted to and/or you have to sacrifice your self worth for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:56 PM
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Hard disagree, better to be celibate and focus on other aspects of life than to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:59 PM
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Not sure what you mean by weird tbh. The circumstances suck and need to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:50 PM
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Ok, so we can acknowledge the circumstances are not equal. So you understand why I might be frustrated about being inferior romantically? My desire to feel equal doesn't change, and putting more effort in than women does not change that desire to feel equal and nor does it change the circumstance to make it equal. So why would you expect me to put more effort in than women, since it doesn't get me what I want? I'm trying to argue that it is not ego or entitlement from men for them to pout on a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:46 PM
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I want to put in as much effort into finding someone to have sex with as women, because I want to feel that we are equals. From the looks of things, it doesn't seem like women have to put much effort into getting sex at all, so why do you have a different expectation of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:19 PM
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Doesn't matter whether or not women are claiming they're desperate. If we're assuming equality in romance between genders then we need to apply the same definition of desperate to both. Sure, a lot of men are envious of women. That doesn't mean they're not struggling. They're envious of women because they're struggling. Guys will feel they're not picky until they're compared against women's dating experience; then they know they're not picky because, compared to women, they're not. But also, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:57 PM
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What is your baseline for desperation? If any match is good enough for men to not be considered desperate and we apply the same definition of desperate to women, then we've got to say to women that dating is a lot easier for women - because it is a lot easier to get a match as a woman. Then, if you compare how easy it is to get a match for a woman against how hard it is for a man then we've got to admit that it is a lot harder for men to date. You're comparing a man's dating experience against y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:19 AM
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Men used to be needed, now we have to learn to be wanted. Being wanted means being available for those women who make it clear they're into you by asking you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:43 PM
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