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Do you realize the irony in insisting that people use your non-academically-chosen definitions for things while decrying people who you think chose them? You’re saying “no, toxic masculinity doesn’t mean what you sociologists think it means. I made up my own definition, and by that definition, it’s an attack on men!”
/r/MensRights22/01/23 03:03 PM
-13

You really think the definition of systemic power is… checks notes …using the academic definitions of words in a sociological context? Interesting.
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:52 PM
-23

Dude, that’s not what toxic masculinity means. Good lord. What would this sub have to whine about if someone pinned a dictionary link to the top?
/r/MensRights22/01/23 01:36 PM
1

This is literally the process by which vetting and background checks happen. This is exactly it.
/r/MensRights18/01/23 06:08 PM
1

If every group has to cater to the lowest common denominator of stupid, abusive, slanderous, etc. how would you justify the existence of communities like this one? There are some vile comments here and there. Why don’t you hold this sub to the same standard you hold a random Facebook group?
/r/MensRights18/01/23 05:53 PM
-2

Well, nearly universal. Trans men still might.
/r/MensRights17/01/23 02:13 PM
-3

What does this have to do with a Facebook group that exists to share information about abusive men? Also, no - there’s a difference between being ambitious and proactive vs being “me man! Me take what want regardless of others!”
/r/MensRights13/01/23 12:07 PM
-2

What the hell are you even talking about? I literally don’t see what this has to do with my comment in any way. Also, “[men] exist to take” is such a ridiculous fuckin thing to say lmao. Caveman energy.
/r/MensRights13/01/23 11:40 AM
-1

Cisgender has nothing to do with straightness. Heteronormative specifically refers to things that expect everyone to be straight when that isn’t the case. You can’t just put “traditional” in its place every time. Why are you so opposed to learning new vocabulary? Fourth grade got you feelin down?
/r/MensRights13/01/23 08:31 AM
-6

Why do you automatically think the allegations are false? It helps all the rest of the dating pool men when shitty men get filtered out.
/r/MensRights13/01/23 08:28 AM
-5

Who is “society”? A tweet? Cmon.
/r/MensRights13/01/23 08:25 AM
-6

That’s a definition we can definitely work with, thanks. First of all, I absolutely agree that intersectionality is really important to keep in mind when discussing this kind of thing - it really is often a class issue rather than a gender issue for some of these things. One way I’ve seen the concept of the patriarchy simplified is that men are valued by what they can produce/do while women are viewed as (only) having an inherent value attached to beauty/fertility. Patriarchal societies/family s…
/r/MensRights11/01/23 10:18 PM
-4

Shifting goalposts??? What facts are you referring to lmao he literally just said “stfu” in response to someone who actually elucidated an argument. And no, it’s not a “definition test tactic” it’s literally the basis of western logic. You establish premises to argue a conclusion. That way if we disagree we can point at the premise we have a problem with and go from there. It’s not the lowest form of argument, it’s the ENTIRE BASIS OF ARGUMENT. First step is to define terms. You can’t just argue…
/r/MensRights11/01/23 09:10 PM
-10

You didn’t respond to literally anything the original comment said and just said stfu. I’m sure you’re very smart and capable of good faith arguments. But okay, I’ll bite. How would you define patriarchy before declaring it to objectively not exist?
/r/MensRights11/01/23 08:50 PM
-14

average /r/MensRights user when confronted with nuance
/r/MensRights11/01/23 08:39 PM
8

Are you surprised? All of Peterson’s takes are atrocious except “clean your room”
/r/MensRights23/09/22 03:17 PM
1

Honest question because I keep seeing posts like this: how are you being targeted or harassed for your lifestyle? Like, “oh some random woman told me I suck for being X” seems to be the biggest complaint expressed and I keep wondering why you care enough to post it? It’s not some systemic thing
/r/MensRights29/08/22 09:54 PM
-1

the fuck?
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:53 PM
-2

source: trust me bro
/r/MensRights23/08/22 02:37 PM
0

They’re absolutely right. Kids shouldn’t be hearing this Andrew Tate style bullshit
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:39 AM
1

Science is only valid when it confirms what you already believe? Do you also think climate change is fake?
/r/MensRights06/08/22 11:36 PM
7

And then they’ll turn around and post shit like “why do people think mens rights activists just hate women/trans people?”
/r/MensRights31/07/22 03:04 AM
2

That’s the male sex yes. Gender is a separate thing
/r/MensRights31/07/22 02:56 AM
1

TIL science is “woke”
/r/MensRights31/07/22 02:55 AM
2

This is the dumbest possible take
/r/MensRights21/07/22 08:01 AM
1

Bodily autonomy is a basic human right.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:40 AM
-6

This is a shitty take man. Don’t laugh at people having basic human rights taken away
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:19 AM
-15

Nobody is arguing that Jesus christ
/r/MensRights03/05/22 06:15 PM
3

on an NSFW sub of scarjo you posted a pic of her at like 14 lol you had it coming. what a shithole sub
/r/MensRights11/08/21 05:31 AM
1

It isn’t. I’d never do that. I find it hilarious that you think it does, though. Oh, is this my cue to say “go ahead. Delete this” or something? You’re deleting my comment because I called you out for lacking critical thinking or nuance. That’s not promoting hate. Keep powertripping though. This isn’t activism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/21 06:50 AM
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You're not entertaining any critical thinking whatsoever if you think that /r/fragilemaleredditor and /r/fragilewhiteredditor are anything but mocking fragility. I don't know how you manage to larp as a leftist without an ounce of critical thinking or awareness of nuance. Unsure about the other subs you've mentioned as I've never seen them. Reddit policies already prevent harassing of individuals; if you're being harassed, report it. Trying to report a subreddit because it hurt your feelings bas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/21 06:35 AM
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lol gottem
/r/PussyPassDenied24/03/21 04:35 AM
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Damn it sure is unlucky that your dad was born a cop :(
/r/PussyPassDenied24/03/21 02:25 AM
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monarcho...socialist... ​ ALRIGHT. but no, that is not the experience I had. make sure you're participating in good faith discussions and not making your conversations about feminism when you say you want to talk about men's rights, you know? ridiculous to see so much rampant antifeminism here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 10:29 AM
-1

This is such a shitpost
/r/MensRights21/12/20 06:31 PM
-5

Re-read my comments and theirs and tell me that with a straight face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/20 01:02 AM
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zzzz you are severely lacking in reading comprehension and it’s clear this is going nowhere. have a nice day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 10:23 PM
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If that’s how you framed it initially there’s be no problem. But this entire conversation and post has been framed about how a study on international day to end violence against women should involve men??? Like?? Why? Obviously I want equality for everyone and there are plenty of things that are men’s issues and not women’s, but please be aware of what you’re saying and how it comes off as if you only care about men’s issues when women’s issues are highlighted. Domestic violence is a serious iss…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 09:57 PM
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That clearly depends on what the study is for. This is a study on what women experience. Studies exist that are strictly about what men experience. This isn’t discrimination. It’s not “gaslighting” for me to ask why the existence of a study about women’s issues somehow oppresses men. Good lord. Men aren’t being systematically excluded from sociological studies via this particular study being about women journalists. You sound like one of those dipshit conservatives who asks why white men aren’t …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 09:37 PM
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Asking women about their experiences of gender inequality does not minimize men’s experiences. How exactly does this group’s attempt at raising awareness for women journalists being silenced somehow detract from men’s issues? I subscribed to this subreddit hoping for something better than people whining when a random fucking op ed doesn’t cater to exactly what they wish it would. This is very clearly a post about the gender discrimination in the journalism field that women face. What’s wrong wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 09:16 PM
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women couldn't even vote in 1908
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/20 08:19 AM
0

That’s all this sub does tbh
/r/MensRights25/07/20 06:14 AM
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hate how this sub posts random people’s tweets as if they somehow affect rights
/r/MensRights24/07/20 04:41 PM
1

Preaching to the choir here. Only reason I comment here anymore is to hope to spin passive viewers in the direction you’re pointing here. Love it. /r/menslib holds the heart of what this sub shoulda been if not infiltrated by people who need to be somehow morally justified in being mad at women for reasons that should be their own to deal witb
/r/MensRights13/06/20 11:09 AM
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this sub is a lost cause. would be funny if it wasn’t rapidly becoming an alt right propaganda shithole
/r/MensRights13/06/20 10:32 AM
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It says kill THE man which seems pretty on point. The man being the man who wants to fuck his daughter when she wears shorts. Idk
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:35 AM
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I don’t think that’s an accurate analogy because the joke in this post is literally about the catering to the pedophile man and suggesting to kill that particular man, with the implicit bit that the particular men who are aroused by their pubescent daughters wearing clothing that reveals skin above the knees probably doesn’t deserve much pity. You get that part?
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:29 AM
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To each their own, I love this kind of joke (the “instead of [thing normally done], simply [entirely ridiculous thing that technically solves the problem]” kind)
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:21 AM
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Nope! That’s about the same imo! Both have ultimately problematic results when we examine how they help to socialize people, but aren’t innately terrible. However, refuting “tell your girls not to wear shorts around their literal blood relatives” with “instead of catering and kowtowing to the incestuous pedophile, kill him” in a very clearly humorous fashion is a very different and funny joke. It helps that it hasn’t been done a lot before and is (imo) pretty cleverly written to maximize shock v…
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:13 AM
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Those are about as overused as my asshole and as funny as my comments. Being like “hurr women cook and clean” is not exactly the top level of humor. I see nothing wrong with being annoyed by those.
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:08 AM
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Right, my lack of sense of humor is what allows me to find jokes funny while you think it’s an aTtACk oN aLl mEN
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:03 AM
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It’s a humorous response to the all-too-common and horrible issue of mothers telling their young girls they can’t wear shorts because their fathers/uncles will be aroused by them. It’s using humor to make light of something unfortunate about the real world. I like it.
/r/MensRights13/06/20 06:01 AM
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That tweet is fucking hilarious and it’s clear to me that very few of you have any understanding of nuance or dark humor
/r/MensRights13/06/20 03:38 AM
0

This sub is very poorly read. Good lord. That’s not how toxic masculinity works. Also, anything you ask for emotional support is creating emotional labor. That’s how it works. It’s good. People support each other by doing the labor of being present and listening or helping. If asking for help from your SPOUSE is too much emotional labor for them, you probably shouldn’t have gotten married since you can’t handle the easiest of emotional transactions or have the conversation “hey, do you have the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 05:55 PM
1

What’s the point of this, exactly? If she did it, the case would proceed as such. There’s more than just what you saw in Tiger King lmfao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/20 07:56 AM
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OP has no idea what oppress means lol
/r/MensRights02/04/20 05:32 PM
2

For the most part, I’ve given up - you can see the types of people that love to argue in bad faith just surging from the gutters haha
/r/MensRights10/03/20 09:46 PM
5

The conversation isn’t about biological sex, though. Obviously someone born with XX chromosomes will always be biologically female (sex).
/r/MensRights10/03/20 02:21 PM
1

Maybe you should actually pay attention to science and facts instead of letting your feelings about trans people inform your opinion. You’re not respecting their dignity by literally not acknowledging them.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 02:13 PM
2

tf? Also lol you really can’t wonder why lots of reddit thinks this sub is a shithole if you don’t believe in trans/lgbt+ rights
/r/MensRights10/03/20 02:09 PM
0

Trans men are men.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 02:05 PM
2

He goes to foot locker and moves all the stock to the “men’s shoes” section because any woman not pregnant and barefoot shouldn’t be shopping
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 01:04 AM
1

That’s true. I do the same. Here for the greentexts and stupid memes, not the ex gf revenge porn and “post underage Facebook thots” shit.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:52 AM
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Yeah, valid. I stick around /tg/ for hobby advice and art, but I really never get used to the casual throwing around of slurs and hot (read: fucking stupid) takes for no reason other than being edgy...consistent cesspool
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:48 AM
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Until they’re not. Trust me, there are plenty of genuine scumbag takes all over almost every board. Anonymity (or perceived anonymity) does shitty things to shitty people
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:43 AM
12

Lol. Perfectly put.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:41 AM
9

...women? Women are children?
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:41 AM
2

Lmao this. Dude probably doesn’t think tampons are necessary because women should be pregnant year round.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:39 AM
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This sub is a huge shithole when it comes to actual discussions. I’m all here for entitled people being denied things but not for this horse shit about “wimmin dumb and want free thing.” It’s some bizarre /pol/-lite that doesn’t belong anywhere that logic lives.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:39 AM
1

Tax property because otherwise the rich just hand a mansion down to their unemployed kids and they hold onto immense value for nothing. If everything is taxed appropriately and society benefits appropriately, it’s perfect
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/19 12:36 AM
-9

The fuck? No. Don’t ask people for their numbers as they’re going about their day and can’t comfortably say no. Leave them alone. Do it at a bar or something.
/r/MensRights08/11/19 10:46 PM
0

TRP is trash too lmao.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/19 07:04 PM
0

That’s what I’m saying. Are you suggesting that incel subreddits getting banned is a product of anti male bias and not them literally calling for violence and being pro-rape scum?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/19 06:35 PM
0

What. Are you talking about incels being banned?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/19 01:44 PM
0

That’s kind of ironic, isn’t it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 11:24 PM
5

Literal twin sisters, this sub is too excited about the prospect of women being sad to acknowledge it though
/r/PussyPassDenied30/10/19 01:40 AM
1

trufemcels and gendercritical are garbage, i have no idea why they're allowed to exist, but you have to be a special kind of fragile to think those others are sexist and should be banned. there's not a bias against men on reddit. that's ridiculous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/19 06:40 PM
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This is a shitpost
/r/MensRights25/08/19 05:05 PM
1

s you’d like an honest, genuine response, PM me. I really don’t think you seem like someone who would actually listen to what I have to say. You can’t even spell therapy, so I’m not sure what your recommendations mean. I’m all about therapy and support for mental health issues, but I’m also all about bodily autonomy. I was raised Mennonite and deeply Christian. I have read the Bible and analyzed it multiple times. Christians can be worse than you think; there are a lot of people who do terrible …
/r/MensRights10/08/19 10:25 PM
1

Lol wow
/r/MensRights10/08/19 10:13 PM
1

How the fuck do you think that the human right to liberty applies to women in the way that they’re forced to surrender their bodies? You can’t invoke rights and then say “but women HAVE to do what their husbands want whenever they want it.” If you’re in an incompatible marriage, get out of it. If not submitting to daily sex is a deal breaker, break the deal when it doesn’t work for you. I don’t get this whole “she married me so her body is now my fleshlight and if she is annoyed God will smite h…
/r/MensRights10/08/19 10:07 PM
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I am subscribed to this sub for bodily autonomy issues like circumsicion and the draft. I am not subscribed to this sub for bullshit like “men deserve sex from their wives and if they don’t want to have sex they’re the problem’
/r/MensRights10/08/19 09:32 PM
1

Read the thread. It’s distressing
/r/MensRights10/08/19 09:29 PM
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You should look at the concept of bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is a secular concept. Sex is fun and good but you should never be forced into it. If a female or a male decided to stop having sex that’s their decision. I encourage you to gain a better understanding of respecting people as people. This is some serious garbage saying that people deserve to use each other like that. Marital rape is still rape. You’re that type of /r/religiousfruitcake that makes me sad that your vote counts more …
/r/MensRights10/08/19 08:13 PM
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What the fuck is this thread? What the fuck is that article? No, you don’t have to give people sex for anything! Coerced and owed sex is bullshit and entitled and the exact opposite of what fighting for rights looks like.
/r/MensRights10/08/19 07:04 PM
2

“The left decries this” isn’t this a left wing sub? Anyway, I fail to agree that civil & human rights violations should somehow be a school’s issue when they occur outside schools and when schools are so poorly funded. If there is a sexual assault, why does the school get to deal with it? Its against the law AND school policy, not one or the other
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 01:01 AM
1

Crimes are one thing, shitty behavior still another. I didn’t actually mention male privilege. I’m talking about public perception and defense, which can feed into privilege. There are lots of different kinds of privilege and context is incredibly important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:52 PM
2

Yes, that’s what I meant. Sorry, put it in the wrong order in parenthesis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:46 PM
1

I’m unsure where this male privilege specification is coming from (besides the other guy). “Boys will be boys” and “high school boy locker room talk” are uniquely male defenses
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:45 PM
1

Uhhh...what? It has very famously gotten boys out of trouble even recently. It is an issue whether you like it or not. I’m not a fan of the demonization of men as abusers, I find it ridiculous, but we don’t get out of that portrayal by defending men who actually do things and aren’t held accountable. It’s like the thin blue line. Rape apologists spoil the bunch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 07:04 PM
1

Acts (and the bills that become them) always have stupid names to try to garner support. The provisions within it would protect male victims of domestic abuse as well. As soon as the “boys will be boys” defense stops working, yeah we can absolutely get rid of that shit. Especially regarding important things like Kavanaugh or Brock Turner (the rapist). I’m invested in this especially because of its intersectional conflict with race. Until we stop letting “boys will be boys” get some men out of tr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 06:52 PM
1

I firmly disagree, and would redirect you to my previous comment. Context is everything. If I were to say “white people should be appropriately sentenced for their crimes,” noting that people of color often receive lengthier sentences for the same crimes (or women compared to men), that’s not a racist statement. Statements asking for special benefits to be removed from a demographic that dodges justice aren’t a broad brush affecting that whole demographic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 06:29 PM
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But it’s specifically referring to situations when men AREN’T being held accountable for their actions when they should be. Same way as saying “police need to be held accountable for their actions.” Obviously it isn’t referring to every officer at every moment, it’s referring to times when they get away with things they shouldn’t.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 06:13 PM
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I fail to understand how saying that “boys will be held accountable for their actions” should be controversial.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 05:23 PM
-3

Comparing circumcision to slavery is vile and disingenuous.
/r/MensRights08/06/19 04:49 AM
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I think that’s valid. I agree. Used to feel otherwise because of the bodily autonomy argument, but...like...parents make all the bodily autonomy decisions for their kids already. It’s disingenuous to compare it to FGM and sad to see people reaching for a victim card by pretending its the same thing
/r/MensRights08/06/19 04:03 AM
1

Quick reminder that lawmakers trying to ban abortion only consider a mass of cells to be a baby when it’s in a woman. Fertilized eggs for in vitro don’t count to them. It’s logically inconsistent and demonstrates a completely obvious lack of respect for bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights30/05/19 02:03 PM
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this 200%, and it’s a ridiculous level of hypocrisy that has people like this posts op arguing vehemently against circumcision for the same reason (bodily autonomy)
/r/MensRights30/05/19 02:02 PM
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This. Calling feminists “among the most obnoxious bigots” is one of the dumbest things I’ve read all day.
/r/MensRights27/05/19 01:02 AM
-1

Is the minimum of “not oppressed” is “not being literally murdered by an authoritarian government for a pointless tweet”?
/r/MensRights16/05/19 08:52 PM
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this..this is exactly what...sigh
/r/MensRights16/05/19 07:14 PM
0

lol
/r/MensRights12/05/19 04:56 PM
1

Look...it’s a different market. They aren’t doing the exact same job. This is a really fucking stupid hill to die on. I swear so many people on this sub seem to defend or even support the idea that women IN BUSINESS experience workplace discrimination and less pay for the same work. Why
/r/MensRights05/05/19 05:16 PM
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Lauren is a racist reactionist, don’t pay it too much mind
/r/MensRights27/04/19 12:00 AM
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This a hundred times. Op is so fragile
/r/MensRights25/04/19 05:57 PM
2

Ah yes this is true men’s rights activism
/r/MensRights15/04/19 07:38 PM
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hot take: subreddits not meant for men don't need to include men. there are very prominent subreddits that delete and ban comments from anyone whose entire existence they disagree with. its part of reddit. ​ quit trying to be a victim for no reason.
/r/MensRights03/04/19 05:24 AM
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The boy was male. Sex and gender, he was just a cis dude that they did a fucky experiment on. They forced gender dysmorphia on him and it led to issues. Just like what people tend to do to trans people, in my experience. I hear you and I get the “trans people are fine” thing, but lots of people don’t want to even go that far. Hell, just look at the rest of the people replying to me in this thread lol. It goes a long way to just take 5 minutes to read something and accept being wrong in a little …
/r/MensRights10/03/19 12:41 AM
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What? No. That’s not what that experiment proved. Try reading something after 1980, ideally in the last 15 years, and you’ll understand (if you aren’t an antivax tier science denier) that gender and sex are different things. Here’s a journal to get you started. Sorry if I’m coming off as hostile, but I’m sick of antivaxxers/climate change deniers/antitrans people pretending like they’re magically on the right side of science while refusing to actually reed peer reviewed journals or do any critic…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 12:33 AM
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“Do not put words in my mouth.” quotes me entirely “Yes, that is what I’m saying” :thinking:
/r/MensRights10/03/19 12:24 AM
0

So you’re saying you think it’s more likely that all women are too lazy to Git Gud than that there are aspects of esports culture that discourage women from professional participation?
/r/MensRights09/03/19 11:46 PM
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In what things? I agree with you there, though I’d phrase it differently. I don’t know how relevant it is personally but I agree with that part. My entire reason for commenting was the misgendering and strange refusal to acknowledge trans people in this subreddit
/r/MensRights09/03/19 10:17 PM
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she*. And tbh I’m not entirely convinced that a Y chromosome makes you better with a keyboard and mouse; I think there are a lot more prescient issues in esports, as a long time observer
/r/MensRights09/03/19 10:15 PM
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Yep thats sex, very simple, applies almost universally. Good shit. Of course, there’s a not-insignificant number of intersex people out there (which id LOVE to hear the “gender doesn’t exist” crowd approach) but whatever. Science says gender and sex are separate. Religious fundamentalists and fanatical conservatives say they’re the same.
/r/MensRights09/03/19 09:50 PM
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lmfao
/r/MensRights09/03/19 09:38 PM
-4

Sorry but your feelings can’t override science. Maybe you should get out of your echo chamber and actually research or read a book. Listen to scientists instead of your feelings. Gender and sex are different things. Your disgust and opinions won’t change facts.
/r/MensRights09/03/19 09:34 PM
-1

This makes sense. There are a lot of barriers to entry for women in esports. There are a lot of female fans who want to see representation; it’s in orgs’ best interests to pay for that representation when the industry doesn’t favor it naturally occurring. Fix the problems or be okay with the solutions. Don’t be idiots.
/r/MensRights09/03/19 09:28 PM
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What is it with “men’s rights” and blatant trans hatred? “We’re not a hate sub”
/r/MensRights09/03/19 09:26 PM
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She’s phenomenally good, there isn’t much money in Starcraft though unfortunately. Scarlett is a big name
/r/MensRights09/03/19 09:25 PM
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I’m literally talking about people drinking to the point that they don’t know what’s going on and someone else taking advantage of them. You keep bringing it back to sips for some reason.
/r/MensRights06/02/19 09:26 PM
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Or you’re drunk? I don’t think you know how getting intoxicated works. Your hypothetical situation is made up bullshit. You’ve been fed a crock of lies about how people are going to cry rape after a mimosa at brunch.
/r/MensRights06/02/19 09:17 PM
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It’s not “a single drop” that’s bull shit everywhere. Even on liberal arts campuses it’s very clearly talking about people who physically do not know what’s going on and cannot consent
/r/MensRights06/02/19 09:14 PM
-6

Not the case. You’re reading too much propaganda
/r/MensRights06/02/19 02:03 PM
0

lol
/r/MensRights29/01/19 05:04 AM
-5

These stats are made up and the conclusion is both stupid and wrong. Half of this sub is whining about misconceptions of what toxic masculinity actually means
/r/MensRights12/01/19 08:18 PM
3

Maybe in hopes of someone commenting “hey thanks for making it clear that not every comment on every MGTOW post is a raging anti-feminist”
/r/MGTOW30/12/18 01:02 AM
8

okay kiddo sure
/r/MGTOW30/12/18 01:00 AM
1

I’ve heard the base joke before. It’s much funnier without the MGTOW bastardization in the comments section. That’s all
/r/MGTOW30/12/18 12:54 AM
1

and this complete unwillingness to note that people in this thread venting by saying “lol women just nag and complain I wish they’d sit down and shut up” is incompatible with wanting men’s issues to be taken seriously is frustrating. Nobody who’s commented here has ever given women the “well, they’re just venting about X” benefit of doubt. It’s not about little angels. That’s a pedestalizing, ridiculous way to see issues and discussions. I understand the frustrations but that doesn’t mean you sh…
/r/MGTOW30/12/18 12:48 AM
-2

see, you say that, but look at this thread. doomed sub of unironically misogynist people. MGTOW would be conceptually cool and good but so much energy goes to “boo women suck”
/r/MGTOW30/12/18 12:30 AM
5

oh please
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/18 06:24 AM
0

seems as such most of the time tbh
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/18 06:24 AM
-7

Frankly the OP is depressing. Sad to think this is what people actually believe.
/r/MensRights27/10/18 02:13 AM
-5

Jesus Christ that’s the most poorly informed and stupid straw man I’ve ever seen. Hope you don’t cut yourself on the edge of the victim card you just tried to play.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 11:42 PM
-2

According to someone who also qualifies for /r/insanepeoplefacebook. This isn’t a men’s rights issue. Please quit this circlejerk
/r/MensRights14/10/18 01:42 AM
1

There’s a difference between a straw man and an exaggeration, dude. Feel free to read my other comments in this exact thread and the things I reply to to gauge what I’m talking about. You really don’t have to try hard to find it on this sub.
/r/MensRights14/09/18 07:32 PM
-1

Yeah, and I’m really really not a fan. Especially frustrating when they merge “men’s issues aren’t paid attention to. It’s not fair and we should fight to be taken seriously” with “lol black people/women/etc pretending they have issues.”
/r/MensRights14/09/18 03:36 AM
2

I appreciate that. I understand where you can come from with a sentiment and not know how it’ll be received - maybe I’m just a hair trigger in the comments on this sub after so much bogus. I’d prefer if you leave them up if you’re comfortable with that. I don’t care about downvotes nearly as much as being an example of respectful conversation, personally. Thanks.
/r/MensRights14/09/18 02:20 AM
-1

It’s almost as if cops don’t disproportionately kill non-white people when they feel even mildly threatened and then receive little to no repercussions for it. You’ve got to be willfully turning your head away to think that there’s an argument for men’s rights being ignored and belittled (often true) without even considering that the rights of minority groups might be infringed upon in ways that you just refuse to acknowledge. Imagine thinking black people commit “suicide by cop” at a more dispr…
/r/MensRights14/09/18 01:47 AM
-8

well, I guess this is the straw that broke my back. Time to unsubscribe
/r/MensRights14/09/18 01:26 AM
1

Yeah...I’ve been thinking about making a post about the latent cognitive dissonance regarding trans men, gay rights, etc., but it seems unapproachable to the majority
/r/MensRights22/08/18 06:51 AM
2

Absolutely. I think I almost understand your perspective. My claim that you don’t understand gender was entirely based on your previous wording of it. I’m always willing to talk/debate. I think it’s ridiculous to claim something you can’t argue in favor of. You’ve been a good sport as well, and I guess we can agree to disagree. Have a good night.
/r/MensRights22/08/18 04:24 AM
1

hey fair enough. Only thing I’d say to you is - you know how people don’t take is seriously. I’m a male sexual assault victim. Nobody takes me seriously. It’s tough to grasp, but other people face similar issues, even if you don’t get to see it. Why would they believe us if we don’t even pretend to care about them? ja feel?
/r/MensRights22/08/18 04:18 AM
1

...dude, that’s...that’s a completely inane assessment of gender and sexuality. I’M sorry to tell YOU, but staying in that little bubble/echo chamber won’t help you make any progress whatsoever
/r/MensRights22/08/18 04:14 AM
1

That’s also totally fair - and I’m sorry, I just assumed you were the one downvoting me. It happened within like 60 seconds of every comment I made. I totally understand not wanting to vibe with current feminism - especially if you’re informed by TiA or something similar. But a lot of MensRights wants to be taken seriously for issues of sexual assault and unjust sentences/punishments in court, yet completely refuses to even acknowledge women and minorities in that talk (even when its not our pla…
/r/MensRights22/08/18 04:13 AM
1

Dude, you’re missing 100% of what I said. People don’t change their gender, they just modify their body to present the way that they feel. People don’t identify one way and say “lol why not be a man it’ll be lit no wait a woman” they always feel the way they feel, they are who they are, and it’s not a choice.
/r/MensRights22/08/18 03:54 AM
1

Do you really, genuinely think that 13 year old kids on tumblr represent the ACTUAL millions of people even in the US (estimated roughly 7%) who identify as trans? Do you actually think people use “xe” or some shit? Gender and sexuality aren’t choices. It’s willful ignorance to disagree. You can do better.
/r/MensRights22/08/18 03:46 AM
2

That’s absolutely valid. That’s totally something I agree with. You don’t need to downvote me for that. Men shouldn’t get longer sentences or be looked down upon for being dads (my dream job is stay at home dad/writer). I am 100% for equal treatment under the law and by the public. I just have a problem when people are totally willing to acknowledge that these things are issues, but are completely unwilling to acknowledge that women in the workplace are actually maltreated, black people are over…
/r/MensRights22/08/18 03:41 AM
2

“No, buddy, you are not a man. You are a woman on HRT who would give that up in a split second if faced with a draft, jail time or any other severe repercussion for being a man. You are as much a man as an Irish guy taking melanin injections is black.” That part
/r/MensRights22/08/18 03:29 AM
2

Oh, of course. But I’m talking specifically about guys who talk down on women BECAUSE they’re women. Not guys who talk down on women because it’s their job.
/r/MensRights22/08/18 03:28 AM
2

I’ve heard T does that too, I think it’s valid
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:28 PM
1

Fair question, but I agree with the other guy - you don’t care about how you’re going to be discriminated against/advantaged/treated differently for who you are because that’s always been who you were - it just didn’t look/seem like it to others. Hope that makes sense.
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:27 PM
-1

Not really a decision. If you think it is, you have a fundamental lack of understanding of trans people.
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:25 PM
4

You’re a bit of a cunt, aren’t you?
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:24 PM
0

yep. his.
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:23 PM
1

IMO mansplaining is 100% a thing that happens, but people seeing any man talking and claiming mansplaining is just dumb and deserves to be pointed out.
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:23 PM
3

A trans man is always someone who transitions TO being a man. Hence ask the use of “his” and “him,” as it’s polite to use their chosen pronouns afterward. Curiosity is cool, hope this is helpful.
/r/MensRights21/08/18 10:22 PM
3

Jesus Christ man BDE is a dumb tumblr meme and I find t absolutely hilarious, it has absolutely nothing to do with body shaming. Same vein as dumb bitch energy - absolutely hilarious in context and as a meme, no need to make an issue out of it for an inferred slight
/r/MensRights31/07/18 11:56 PM
1

...it’s a one-person bathroom, Jesus you’re worked up about this
/r/MensRights29/07/18 07:25 PM
1

Usually one stall and a urinal.
/r/MensRights28/07/18 03:29 PM
1

You refer to black people as ‘blacks’ and call it a ‘Black problem.’ I’ve explained wayyy too many times in this thread that I don’t think there’s something wrong with boys, but that the societal construction of masculinity is too restrictive. No part of that has anything to do with boys, who are the victims of a shitty setup as far as emotional development, dealing with grief or a feeling of displacement, and self confidence are considered.
/r/MensRights23/02/18 06:49 PM
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I don’t think I’ll ever understand why this sub loves casual whataboutism and racist undertones more than trying to discuss problems facing men.
/r/MensRights23/02/18 06:11 PM
1

I’m not talking about conditioning to shoot people lmao I’m talking about the concept of masculinity and the emotional restrictions it imposes
/r/MensRights23/02/18 05:36 AM
1

Not exactly, I’m arguing against the other guy implying that. Traditional masculinity - which is what I and the author of the op ed would like to see **examined**
/r/MensRights23/02/18 05:32 AM
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That’s absolutely fair, thanks. I (perhaps too optimistically) took this article just to mean both should be options, and everything in between, which is what I vehemently agree with.
/r/MensRights23/02/18 01:19 AM
-1

Yes, yes I have lived in a black community. When it’s moms and mothers, as is the case with my best friend and his single mom, he is told that he’s the man of the house by everybody, and he feels the need to stand up and be extra proud and defensive for that. He kinda breaks the mold as a super mamas boy but that’s the general formula. Boys may be broken, but it’s not their fault - society is forcing a rigid idea of what they should be striving for down their throats. I’m not sure what you mean …
/r/MensRights23/02/18 12:26 AM
1

Feminism forced society to allow women to do anything on the spectrum. There aren’t things men can do that women can’t, except for donate sperm. I think we should fight for society to allow men to not be confined to one specific viewpoint of masculinity. Masculinity in its most quintessential form might work for some people, but not everyone fits in that box, and it’s unfair to outliers to call them less than men if they stray. “Masculinity” being intrinsic is an interesting way of thinking of i…
/r/MensRights23/02/18 12:24 AM
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That’s what I’m saying you asshat. Also why did you make your main account called throwaway 1000 and then act surp..whatever. Look, I’m not saying “boys opening up will fix everything” I’m saying “society allowing boys to open up will fix everything” This bullshit stoicism doesn’t miraculously work for every single boy ever, and often leads to that depression and dejection you’re talking about; don’t tell me you’ve never heard of a lad who wishes he could open up to someone but feels like nobody…
/r/MensRights23/02/18 12:17 AM
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You’re not reading my posts if you think I said there’s a “boy problem.” That was my whole point, that people see “masculinity” and think the world is mad at boys. I think urban black homicide rates are products of an imposed hypermasculine subculture, distinct poverty without a valid escape path, systemic racism from authorities, and segregated living, though I can only speak for Chicago as I’m in the area and have several very close friends from the south and west sides. The response to that i…
/r/MensRights23/02/18 12:11 AM
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Thank you. Idk what this guy is on about, and it’s a shame that you’re getting downvotes. If we take all the women and then look only at all the women who are shooters, surprise! There are more women than men, and now the stats are even more skewed.
/r/MensRights22/02/18 11:53 PM
2

“The black problem” Christ, man
/r/MensRights22/02/18 11:52 PM
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Alright, now you’re just being an asshole behind a throwaway. If being allowed to express emotions that aren’t rage or pride is “feminizing them to be girls,” I think you have a pretty fucked up idea of what masculinity is to you. That’s the kind of shit that keeps male victims of sexual assault unreported and shamed. That’s the shit that leads to repressive and reductive approaches to relationships and sexuality, and you can fuck right off with it.
/r/MensRights22/02/18 11:49 PM
-1

I am talking about ratios. Obviously we’re working with different arguments or something. Or you’re willfully missing my point to avoid discussion.
/r/MensRights22/02/18 10:41 PM
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I, uh, don’t think that’s the point
/r/MensRights22/02/18 10:30 PM
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Sure, sure, but a quick google search shows 92 male shooters, 2 female, 1 that has both in recent history. Like, we can’t just ignore these stats. You’ll benefit from not saying “why target men” and instead think “why are they mostly men, how is society conditioning us to have these stats?” A lot of people on this sub see “masculinity” being examined and say noooo that’s not a problem you can’t just say men are the issue - they’re correct but misunderstanding. Addressing masculinity often takes …
/r/MensRights22/02/18 09:45 PM
1

I think he means more like “allow the possibility to express things differently” rather than disallowing traditionally masculine ways of doing things. Worded badly, but I hope i make enough sense here to be legible. I think feminism has encouraged women and goes to take approaches spanning from “cry it out” to “butch up girl you can do anything fight it off” and that kind of spectrum is the enviable part in the author of the article’s eyes. We don’t get too far as men when people who don’t fit t…
/r/MensRights22/02/18 09:37 PM
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Did you read the op ed? This is EXACTLY WHAT THIS SUB WANTS. It says pay attention to boys. America’s boys are broken because people aren’t giving them the option to be emotionally transparent without saying they aren’t real men. This article is excellent for our cause and I resent that half of you or more are downvoting it on principle or because it says it should take structural example from feminism.
/r/MensRights22/02/18 08:04 PM
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what a piece of shit clickbait title. What are we, 65 year old women on Facebook who need exclamation points and all caps to draw attention? Good lord
/r/MensRights29/12/17 07:53 PM
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Ok. Yes. Good. Still feels like what I’m in favor of. Not mutually exclusive with not supporting harmful gendered expectations.
/r/MensRights26/12/17 05:36 AM
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I don’t think removing pigeon holes is forcing into a pigeon hole. Crude analogy perhaps, but you know what i mean?
/r/MensRights26/12/17 05:07 AM
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Society is different in different countries. Hell, you named some where taking it up the ass is grounds for execution by lynch mob, it’s hardly comparable. I’m also not sure if you’re arguing that traditional masculinity enforcement is healthy for depressed individuals? It’s practically the thing that tells them they aren’t good enough. Honestly, this post just confuses me. Feels like half this sub is super redpilly, embrace-traditional-manliness-we-don’t-need-feelings-like-those-dumb-feminists …
/r/MensRights26/12/17 04:40 AM
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Our movement fights for male victims to be recognized and it’s gaining steam and doing well. It’s very reassuring to me as one of them. And no, this particular movement didn’t recognize male victims either (as it’s core concept at least). it was specifically about male on female sexual violence because frankly that's the largest section who would respond in a helpful way to building awareness and making it acceptable. i foresee the next couple years being much better
/r/MensRights26/12/17 01:54 AM
4

Ah well I’m sure you’re fun to be around
/r/MensRights25/12/17 05:04 PM
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Man, I don’t get why people think socialization isn’t a thing. Why do you think awareness of male victims of domestic abuse is so low? They’re socialized to believe it’s weakness, emasculation, etc. How is it hard to understand that a lot of women (men too obviously) don’t feel comfortable coming out as victims of sexual assault and pursuing justice in a system that tends to let people down?
/r/MensRights25/12/17 04:41 PM
2

Well, at least it blows open the fact that the justice system has been letting these people down and may open room for reform. For example, Ambra Battilana Gutierrez went to the police. She wore a wire. She got Harvey Weinstein on tape admitting that he had sexually assaulted her. nothing happened. Obviously I'm not condoning false accusations or court of public opinion, but some people have been abusing power and deserve to be taken down.
/r/MensRights25/12/17 04:35 PM
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That’s horribly reductive and doesn’t even respond to what I said in my comment. MeToo has nothing to do with criminality besides telling people that it’s okay to have been assaulted and to want justice. I don’t see what’s bad about that.
/r/MensRights25/12/17 04:31 PM
1

merry christmas to you too
/r/MensRights25/12/17 04:30 PM
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Well, like I said, it was for a specific type of sexual assault that has a perceived power gap. I guess not everybody can accept that a movement just isn’t about them, but what you described isn’t my experience with it and sounds a bit immature. Kinda sour-grapes attitude, justifying hating or opposing something because it’s a “no boys allowed” club
/r/MensRights25/12/17 01:17 PM
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Literally the entire point of posting #MeToo was to say that, at some point in a certain girl or woman’s life, she was sexually assaulted by a man. (In that specific arrangement). It was to draw attention to how widespread it is for OTHER WOMEN, so that they don’t feel societally shamed out of, say, reporting it to police. It's a step in combating gendered societal pressure, which I distinctly recall is the purpose of this sub and the reason I subscribed. If you guys saw a post on TwoX or someth…
/r/MensRights25/12/17 04:35 AM
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women make it clear how widespread sexual assault is for them in a movement intended to inform men who don’t know This sub: “well, better never talk to women or hire them because I can’t differentiate between sexually assaulting them and having a mutually respectful business relationship”
/r/MensRights20/12/17 05:29 PM
1

That is absolutely not the case. If it is, you have a shit professor. I imagine those departments tend to attract shit professors more often, but that’s still a case by case thing.
/r/MensRights20/12/17 04:04 PM
1

I’m really not. I don’t like libertarian ethics, though I guess I can understand the politics. I just see value in these programs in my studies and line of work, and I think it’s an act of willful ignorance to say they are distinctly more worthless than any other degree. A degree that demonstrates critical thinking skills and the ability to stick to something and see it through is still valuable in careers that don’t require, say, an industrial engineering degree to demonstrate competence with v…
/r/MensRights20/12/17 03:36 PM
0

People’s tax money is wasted in much bigger crocks of shit than allowing people to study what they want. Maybe you can’t see what a class offers because it’s not for you, but if it helps someone else, then who are you to say it’s worthless?
/r/MensRights20/12/17 02:57 PM
1

There’s an argument to abolish classes because they are proselytizing instead of teaching. I offer the counterargument: I have taken classes that teach and do not proselytize. Its a relevant counterpoint as they’re on the chopping block to the author of this article, but I think that (even though it’s not even close to my major) it offers a lot to a rounded education and I learned quite a good bit. Would be sad to see it go because people who have never taken classes think its just knitting and …
/r/MensRights20/12/17 06:25 AM
0

You must’ve taken some vastly different gender studies classes than I did.
/r/MensRights20/12/17 05:27 AM
1

This! This this this. Why would Weinstein stop hiring with sexual favors if his options are “person pretty qualified” or “person maybe even slightly less qualified but she’ll mingle my dingle”
/r/MensRights20/12/17 01:57 AM
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I disagree with it in the article, too. Hasn’t been my experience with my university’s department whatsoever (though some of it’s students are a but...yeah...)
/r/MensRights20/12/17 01:35 AM
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Ah good to see you’ve perused the pedagogy and come through with a well educated opinion based on facts and evidence! Is this based on personal experience, research, or just your opinions informed by tumblrinaction?
/r/MensRights20/12/17 01:13 AM
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What? Are you some special new kind of douche canoe? You asked me how I felt about it and I told you exactly how I feel about it. it’s silly and I wouldn’t take any classes in it, but I wouldn’t disparage people for studying what they want to study.
/r/MensRights20/12/17 12:21 AM
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I think you’d be hard pressed to find a ph.d to teach it. I think it would be a but silly and it’s students would be ridiculed. I wouldn’t take astrology classes. That’s about it.
/r/MensRights19/12/17 11:41 PM
2

Exactly! College is a time for people to make life decisions and choose how and what they learn.
/r/MensRights19/12/17 09:30 PM
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Depends on the job. Women’s studies has a place in parts of the world, if you can demonstrate expertise in analytical problem solving. I personally would never consider going for a degree in women’s studies or something, but I took a gender studies class alongside my behavioral economics class and it was really cool and interesting.
/r/MensRights19/12/17 08:18 PM
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No, they’re just saying what educational institutions are allowed to offer students? That’s a horse shit argument and you know it. Just because you don’t care about something doesnt give you the right to say other people cant study it
/r/MensRights19/12/17 08:02 PM
2

Well every person is a POTENTIAL rapist
/r/MensRights19/12/17 07:46 PM
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if people want to study something, let them? There’s a demand and it’s an interesting part of human history.
/r/MensRights19/12/17 06:57 PM
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Yeah. Not raping is, like, the absolute bare minimum of being a decent human being. nobody needs to talk about non-rapists, but it would be good to see a culture shift toward appreciation of anyone who refuses to be a bystander/helps out in general.
/r/MensRights19/12/17 06:50 PM
1

The merciless execution and concentration of millions of them, civilians, for the sole reason of that one part of their identity. Are you serious?
/r/MensRights14/12/17 03:59 PM
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No, it’s still a wrong action even if it doesn’t have the worst possible result. Think about ethics here, man.
/r/MensRights14/12/17 05:19 AM
1

If you’re looking at it so black and white, then yes it’s always harassment. However, there are days when I enjoy having attention brought to me for what I’m wearing or how I look, unexpectedly and by strangers. If you need an analogy, pretend you have an annoying friend who you don’t like hanging out with. He makes dumb or racist jokes, doesn’t get your vibes, and is just not that fun to be 1 on 1 with, even if he’s a decent human being. One day your dog dies and your best friend is out of town…
/r/MensRights13/12/17 07:48 PM
1

Oh, I’m sorry, did you think I was talking about legality? I wasn’t. Not even a little. It’s not a secret or some new fangled thing that some actions are received differently by different people at different times. Only an asshole would intentionally (or recklessly, even without intent) make someone uncomfortable. Not a difficult concept.
/r/MensRights13/12/17 06:07 PM
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Editing, sure, but if 10 hours gets you catcalled more than once without asking for it or demonstrating interest, then t reveals a problem. Idk if that’s the best example. I’ve been catcalled a couple times (admittedly, I liked it, but wasn’t looking for it and if I wasn’t in the mood at the time it would’ve made me uncomfortable) but not more than once per 10 hours of my walking. That’s how we can isolate and target issues that face people of particular identities.
/r/MensRights13/12/17 03:55 AM
1

I have a problem with him implying it’s any less serious because they’re attractive..
/r/MensRights12/12/17 08:55 PM
2

Leaves a bad taste in my mouth that you guys are talking about this as apartheid or holocaust. Fucking disgusting. You’re comparing this to deaths of millions and systematic horrible racism. Have some empathy.
/r/MensRights12/12/17 08:48 PM
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Old news tbh. I’m still conflicted on this because imo devos is incompetent and there really needs to be something in place of the stuff she wants to remove, improvements are good but it’s not fair or good to anybody to just get rid of stuff.
/r/MensRights12/12/17 04:39 AM
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Thank you. I completely agree. It disgusts me that people like op (“many women want to be raped”) can get anything but torrents of downvotes. For fucks sake, this sub should be talking about how we can help sexual assault allegations be taken MORE seriously, as that’s genuinely a societal and institutional problem that faces men, and that’s what the sub is for. There is no giant collusion to get men fired as part of some feminist conspiracy. Jesus shit-fucking Christ, people actually unironicall…
/r/MensRights08/12/17 11:04 PM
3

Did you even read what I replied to?
/r/MensRights06/12/17 07:49 PM
2

I mean. Women were more or less property for the majority of pre-recorded history and a solid chunk of recorded history, so, yes, I guess so. Pardon if this comes off as overly hostile, I just get a bit annoyed when other dudes get defensive when women’s rights are brought up. Doesn’t detract from our goals unless you’re getting all your information on feminism from TiA or something.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 05:46 AM
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No, no it’s not. Cmon dude.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 05:38 AM
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OP, I have read all your comments and I just wanna sincerely thank you for them. I personally hate when this sub gets dragged down by partisan issues, and I’ve found myself in similar situations. Of course, it doesn’t help half the time when I’m a bleeding heart liberal on a sub where most of the comments and votes tend toward a pretty conservative viewpoint, but I think your initial goal of remaining a staunch defender of everyone’s rights around you is step one, two, and three. Keep up the goo…
/r/MensRights05/12/17 05:38 AM
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This is tangentially related to men’s rights, cmon...yes, anyone can rape and anyone can be raped, but this doesn’t help anything here it’s just poking at bad things happening to women
/r/MensRights05/12/17 04:01 AM
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I don’t believe naïveté is an acceptable excuse for an adult in a sexual instance that can really hurt people. I get what you’re saying, and I definitely understand, but I disagree still.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 03:55 AM
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That’s fair. I would also suggest that possibly it’s different with a trusted partner (with whom you have an ongoing understanding of each other’s alcohol tolerance and ability to consent) than with someone you don’t know as well, literally outside on your way home, when you need to vomit to avoid having some real problems
/r/MensRights05/12/17 02:51 AM
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I drink a lot. I would not be okay with someone fingering me while I blacked out and became unconscious. I don’t know why you think that someone asleep is conscious of what’s going on around them but you should examine that belief before you hurt someone.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 12:44 AM
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Bless you for this response, I was losing faith in this sub with people like OP who don’t know what they’re talking about all over my feed
/r/MensRights05/12/17 12:42 AM
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This. If someone is passing out while you’re fingering them, ODDS ARE THEY CANT CONSENT. I honestly don’t understand why people go so far out of their way to try to defend Brock turner. He wouldn’t have been convicted in criminal court if it was as cut and dry consenting as OP is implying.
/r/MensRights05/12/17 12:41 AM
1

I wouldn’t call myself a feminist generally. I️ guess it makes you more comfortable condescending to me? Whatever. If my boss kept gesturing as if she were going to grab and squeeze my balls id be very fuckin uncomfortable. If people were making unwanted and unwarranted physical gestures like hugs that i wasn’t down for, I’d be uncomfortable. If I couldn’t speak up or make it stop, I’d be uncomfortable. Nobody deserves to have their workplace made uncomfortable, and if they were the type of pers…
/r/MensRights26/11/17 12:17 AM
1

That’s a fair assessment but part of consent requires that, if it’s changed or revoked, it’s no longer valid moving forward.
/r/MensRights25/11/17 11:43 PM
0

Nobody makes a dad joke and gets put in a bracket with a serial rapist or child molester, what kind of fucking mental gymnastics are you doing? I’m thinking more along the lines of CEO Rick, who jokes to the new blond intern “hahaha the only difference between blondes and washing machines is that washing machines don’t follow me around for a week when I dump my load in them” and winks. His position of power over her prevents retaliation or expression of discomfort because she needs this internsh…
/r/MensRights25/11/17 11:40 PM
0

If you’re incapable of respecting people’s personal boundaries or knowing what they are in a professional environment, maybe you SHOULD just avoid them. False accusations are a possibility but I’m not hearing any. I’m hearing people finally being able to speak up about people using professional or authoritative power in official situations to make (mostly) women uncomfortable and I’m really glad that kind of thing is in the open now. I don’t know how the fuck you’re conflating #MeToo with people…
/r/MensRights25/11/17 10:50 PM
1

The very title of this argue is demeaning women’s equality and implying “lol! They’re so inconsistent! Silly women and their equality!”
/r/MensRights25/11/17 08:59 PM
1

No it’s really not lmao
/r/MensRights25/11/17 08:58 PM
-2

What the hell? How is people being willing to speak up about sexual assault a bad thing? Jesus fucking Christ sometimes this sub disgusts me.
/r/MensRights25/11/17 06:40 PM
19

uhhh...okay... smh this sub sometimes
/r/MensRights25/11/17 06:24 PM
19

What does this have to do with men’s rights, exactly?
/r/MensRights25/11/17 05:42 PM
0

Definitely disproportionate and as a direct result of them being women. Yeah, shitty people are gonna be shitty no matter who or where you are, but when you can actually narrow it down to “they’re doing this because they genuinely think women aren’t their equals here” then it’s entirely fair to treat it as such.
/r/MensRights24/11/17 05:08 PM
-3

That’s definitely true, yes. We can talk as much about men’s issues and rights here but there still are a lot of shitty dudes in powerful positions making women’s lives rough
/r/MensRights23/11/17 04:01 PM
12

Reminder that objectification isn’t just 100% bad just because there isn’t a vocal “don’t objectify men” like there is for women. Consensual, fun objectification is a good thing as long as all parties are respectful and respected.
/r/MensRights03/11/17 10:31 PM
-2

This a thousand times over. But I guess that’s what happens when /r/TiA informs people’s understanding of the majority of people seeking social equality
/r/MensRights31/10/17 10:59 PM
1

Good points. I’d note that it’s not a class, just a weekly meeting and discussion mostly led by other students. We talked pretty consistently about the positive range of emotion in men, especially as pertains to members of their family, but I also wonder if it’s just another aspect of our socialization that we don’t think of male poets, artists, etc. as paragons of masculinity through their art the way we generally do think of Arnold Schwarzenegger, David Hasselhoff or Chuck Norris as (memey, ov…
/r/MensRights30/10/17 04:44 PM
1

Fair enough. It was sort of a knee-jerk reaction to the post.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 03:42 PM
1

Yeah, the overall societal implications and backlash are pretty shitty. So is being told to laugh something off because it happened to you and other people don’t care. I’m a bit sad that enough people don’t think that’s the case that my first comment is just in a torrent of downvotes
/r/MensRights30/10/17 03:33 PM
1

Haven’t heard much about the whiteness workshop, frankly it seemed dumb to me, but the person who runs it is incredibly cool and professional so even though I kinda laugh when I see the advertisements I think she’s doing good work overall.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 03:13 PM
1

I agree with all of what you just said. All I don’t like is the idea that all passes and physical contact - welcome or not - should be laughed off and ignored as part of life
/r/MensRights30/10/17 03:10 PM
1

That’s a bit inaccurate
/r/MensRights30/10/17 04:43 AM
3

Hey, that’s fair. Though I’d say public media outreach has to verge on overly PC, while the gender studies classes I've taken have had the professor correcting or chuckling at overenthusiastic students thinking they're paragons of social justice at 19.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 02:38 AM
1

Eh, sorry you’re being downvoted. Nothing you’re saying is unreasonable. This sub will go from (yes, weak analogy) “don’t wear low cut shirts and expect not to he stared at!!” to “don’t take pictures of kids in public (or look like you are) without being prepared to explain that it’s your job? That’s terrible! Sexist!” In a heartbeat.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 01:57 AM
2

That’s not the point. Laughing it off and accepting it as part of the world is different from assessing the damage and effort required to obtain justice. Someone sexually assaulted me at a concert last winter and I felt alienated and increasingly disgusted enough that i left the building and went home and actually cried afterward. I didn't report it because u didn't know who it was and there were hundreds of people there, but the things they said and did aren't just something i can laugh off eas…
/r/MensRights30/10/17 01:51 AM
1

I genuinely do believe that would have sparked discourse and led to a productive conversation. NU is overwhelmingly liberal, and so am I generally, but this conversation about rights and issues challenging what I think is the secondary narrative is a conversation that deserves to happen and would be received with an open mind. However, blaming women or ignoring the problems perpetuated by men WITHIN that socialization is not the way to go about that. Thanks for putting thought into that comment …
/r/MensRights30/10/17 01:48 AM
3

Yes it was, though this wasn’t as much a focus on women’s opinions as general society, including media representations and the like. I think all of these things are more interrelated than not, personally.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 01:40 AM
4

Well, half of this sub is just “feminists suck” and “watch this woman get rekt lol,” I’m here for the actual fighting for men’s rights and making the world better for myself and my future sons
/r/MensRights29/10/17 09:01 PM
-13

getting your junk unwelcome my grabbed is pretty explicitly sexual assault
/r/MensRights29/10/17 08:26 PM
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I go to northwestern and I did that program last year. It’s falsely portrayed in this light, it was a fantastic program. Paul Ang is a really cool guy and honestly there’s a lot this sub misconstrues. Also, nümen being the title is a play on Northwestern being abbreviated as NU, not something about German women (really guys?) I’ve been meaning to make a more detailed post about this but I’ll nutshell it here because I’m on mobile. Deconstructing masculinity is often seen as an attack on men in t…
/r/MensRights29/10/17 08:18 PM
1

“Sometimes a clumsy pass or wandering hand is better laughed off” The hell is this? Regardless of how much you like the title, this is such a shit article. I’m not a fan of sexual assault happening and this “just chuckle and take it” attitude is god damn deplorable when employed against anyone, women or men.
/r/MensRights29/10/17 07:52 PM
32

This, entirely. This isn’t disgusting.
/r/MensRights28/10/17 03:50 AM
2

The word you’re looking for is inferring. The title is plenty example. It’s dismissed as a load of crap because he’s old and she’s b-list. I’m a SA victim myself and the wording just stands out as incredibly dismissive, infantilizing, and frankly disgusting. I don’t know how people can look at posts like this and say things like “she should just suck it up, who cares if she’s being assaulted, he’s old”
/r/MensRights25/10/17 11:05 PM
2

Read a couple other comments - yeah that’d be fine but it sounds like that wasn’t the case
/r/MensRights25/10/17 09:10 PM
2

Bless you and your comments.
/r/MensRights25/10/17 08:06 PM
2

I try to do so as much as possible, but I definitely deem it too much work more than I should. Imagine if OP posts on 2X saying male sexual assault victims aren’t taken seriously, then someone tracks his account to this post. Boom. Whole movement looks like a bunch of asshats who defend men against all allegations - the same societal issue I think we all want to get rid of.
/r/MensRights25/10/17 08:05 PM
12

Thanks for at least speaking sense. This title is loaded with bullshit. Calling her a b-list actress as if it means she is less able to complain about being sexually assaulted, and directly implying that HW is old and thus should be allowed to sexually assault. Really gross. And enough of the community seems to be down with this that you’re getting downvotes for pointing out the hypocrisy of it all. I’d never go out in public and call myself a men’s rights activist because I don’t want to be equ…
/r/MensRights25/10/17 07:34 PM
4

Overwhelming majority is not true. It’s like 52% iirc and refers to the initiators of reciprocal violence.
/r/MensRights23/10/17 06:14 PM
3

They should also have the support of friends and family, not in witch hunting allegations or seeking convictions necessarily, but “I believe you and support you” is immensely helpful to hear
/r/MensRights18/10/17 07:06 PM
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There’s obvious hypocrisy if you ask about people hijacking Father’s Day but this post seems entirely legitimate to me. I was going to do a #metoo post in solidarity and support and kind of as a reminder that men are secually assaulted too but really this IS a women’s thing, at least the social media push. Step 1 to getting sexual assault of men taken seriously is not to get mad when people support women who have been assaulted. Like, cmon guys. This one is for women, it shouldn’t detract from a…
/r/MensRights17/10/17 07:40 PM
1

These aren't mutually exclusive! I'm glad you semi acknowledged that. An issue that hurts us overall is that there is also a lot of men to men violence, so a lot of *reported* sexual violence is perpetrated by men. Our perspective shouldn't be "but what about male victims of women" as much as "all victims deserve to be taken seriously" I think we lose a lot of credibility on that point. I could talk for hours on this but I really think we're going the wrong way both for justice and for acknowled…
/r/MensRights30/09/17 06:06 AM
10

I mean, cheating isn't a gendered issue. Not everything is black and white. The implication in some of these comments is that he's an angel, and we should side with him for being a man in any discussion. He did amazing things for the literary world and for women's sexuality. He also openly had an objectifying view of women, even though it was respectful and willing and beneficial. I don't think he's a bad guy. But it's ludicrous to spit at anyone who points out any flaws he had. Media outlets ar…
/r/MensRights30/09/17 02:25 AM
7

When you're old enough (or mature enough), you'll realize that generalizing entire genders as being incapable of things is the reason we need to fight for gendered rights and issues.
/r/MensRights25/09/17 03:47 PM
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Anybody can bitch, not just women. Don't respond to idiocy with idiocy.
/r/MensRights24/09/17 04:56 PM
4

🤔🤔🤔 don't no true Scotsman me because you somehow think it's a different phenomenon
/r/MensRights21/09/17 01:04 AM
3

frankly it destroys our credibility when the front page is "LOL FEMINIST HYPOCRITE GETS REKT" while we can never criticize our own messages without being silenced. id call it irony but its just sad
/r/MensRights21/09/17 12:49 AM
2

I agree completely! And I got some downvote flak for arguing with someone trying to say Brock Turner WAS RAPED by an unconscious woman (since he was also not sober and clearly that's how it works according to imaginary liberals) on this sub like a week ago. This isn't a sub of consistency and sainthood, but it's also not a hive of degeneracy like some say it is
/r/MensRights13/09/17 07:53 AM
1

Why would politics have anything to do with human rights?
/r/MensRights13/09/17 07:50 AM
2

A few of my friends have been drugged or assaulted and there are institutions with hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend that don't want her to win a SA case, nor are they comfortable going forth to police. It creates a microcosmic culture that enables sexual assault. This isn't a gender-specific issue, it's just that that's how the media overwhelmingly presents it. We have a lot to address as a society (and honesty as a men's rights group) but honestly step one is that we need to stop oppos…
/r/MensRights12/09/17 05:38 AM
-1

I agree, but I also do think that there should be an option within the limits of university life to improve the life of students. I'm speaking as someone who was sexually assaulted as a freshman and didn't pursue any justice because I didn't think I'd be believed. I think due process should never be compromised but also that it doesn't have to be to actively improve the lives of people. This really shouldn't be a controversial issue in my eyes.
/r/MensRights12/09/17 05:13 AM
3

um
/r/MensRights12/09/17 03:40 AM
-2

A lot of people agree with this! The 2X thread on it was like "most people do acknowledge that there's a problem with how we handle these cases, but Devos's track record makes people think she's going to remove what exists without a plan for something to replace it" which is super super reasonable, and I think devos is pretty garbage overall so I'm inclined to agree entirely
/r/MensRights12/09/17 01:02 AM
3

Completely agree with you.
/r/MensRights11/09/17 08:06 PM
2

This might be a shade different from other advice put here. pardon my grammar and spelling as I'm on mobile with a fucked up phone that has no autocorrect and the keyboard works maybe half the time. She's still your mom and she probably had her own reasons to do what she did. That's not an excuse but an explanation, and i don't think reconnecting with and appreciating your father needs to come at the expense of that relationship or shape how you see the world. my mom left me when i was 5 and i w…
/r/MensRights06/09/17 02:03 AM
2

She was UNCONSCIOUS. She could not consent. It's people like you who dispute that and make anyone fighting for men's rights look like shit. Please stop.
/r/MensRights05/09/17 10:51 PM
1

No. The difference is not gender. She was UNCONSCIOUS. He was actively taking actions against her of a sexual nature, which she physically cannot consent to. I'm speaking as a man who has been sexually assaulted by a woman when I was blackout drunk and unable to consent; you're speaking like an idiot and making a mockery of people who actually oppose sexual assault.
/r/MensRights05/09/17 05:53 AM
-1

If the only way to garner "yes" is to pressure people and claim you're better than people who threaten violence...uhhh...
/r/MensRights26/08/17 10:00 PM
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pressured into consenting Pressured is a weird word... coercion cannot create consent, though I don't think this was an instance of coercion.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 02:37 PM
1

My dude I didn't respond aggressively to JUST a fair enough...reread if you're feeling up to it. We face a lot of systematic injustices, and I'm proud to note that my uncle fights hard against a lot of those and makes me proud to be part of activism. However, I think it's hypocritical and insincere to claim that we're second class citizens for being men. Women face issues too. There isn't a huge feminist movement because of JUST a false narrative or something. Every single person has a multitude…
/r/MensRights23/08/17 02:47 AM
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I completely agree! I'm just differentiating between the daily discrimination, which I acknowledged, and the analogy that placed it alongside the nations laws refusing black people entry to establishments and public services.
/r/MensRights23/08/17 12:07 AM
7

We aren't arrested for entering them as only policy, not law, keeps us out. You're wrong in correcting me.
/r/MensRights22/08/17 11:44 PM
7

Emmett Till was post-civil-war. That was like 50 years ago. Either way, there's no reason to go balls deep into this "we men have it so rough, we're the REAL victims" narrative. We have societal problems that we face, but the day that "we're second class citizens! help!" works for us is the same day I cut my dick off to fuck myself with it.
/r/MensRights22/08/17 11:32 PM
15

That's a pretty despicable analogy my dude. We don't get lynched because someone says we winked at a woman.
/r/MensRights22/08/17 11:23 PM
97

Oh. Pronoun issue then, sorry.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 06:23 AM
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..I think you meant victim, not rapist
/r/MensRights18/08/17 06:08 AM
1

My dude idk why you keep bringing up fat activism as if I didn't already say it's bullshit
/r/MensRights18/08/17 01:52 AM
1

If you think the huffington post speaks for the left, you can't think breitbart speaks for "white men" as a whole or the right as a monolith. That article is bullshit just from the title and I resent it. We're not a monolith, dude, I have no tolerance for people who think that eating more calories than they expend is a disability. Please read my posts before you respond like an asshole.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 01:40 AM
1

Also, Jesus, throw a few more buzzwords into your post. Like, this is kind of sad. You've gone beyond defending rights and gone right into opposing bullshit ideals you purposefully sought out on the internet and ascribed to anyone who holds a different political view from you. I'm telling you rationalism and liberalism aren't opposed, and you're defending by saying anyone anything other than conservative is an /r/fatlogic, insignificant human fighting to be called Xhe. Big net.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 01:36 AM
1

If you're claiming "the SJWs and their agenda," by far the biggest purveyors of fitness products and yoga and shit, oppose fitness, maybe you should acknowledges that you're casting a MASSIVE net. You're boiling the entire left down to fat angry women who hate men. That's patently ridiculous.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 01:34 AM
1

...yeah, not sure what to say to that. I don't think opposing wanting people to have equal chances at things is a worthy cause.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 01:06 AM
1

Well absolutely, and fuck that. I don't agree with them but I understand them. I can't understand people who think people shouldn't exist or are inferior based on things out of their control. I can understand people who oppose ideals such as that. To equate them is misguided imo. I'm okay with people disagreeing with me, and I think one of the faults of the left is that we can't always do that as a group. But I'd never march alongside nazis for anything I ever agreed in (nor people saying "kill …
/r/MensRights18/08/17 01:01 AM
1

I frankly don't think it's the same thing, but I and a lot of other liberals frown upon people who use violence to solve things. I think things like literal nazism should be opposed by any means necessary, and I have a minor in ethics and have generally opposed violence against beliefs, but that reasoning is only because it tends to allow the far/alt right to claim victimism (ironically). Alt left is a bullshit term ascribed by its opposites. I believe firmly in free speech (protestors and count…
/r/MensRights18/08/17 12:51 AM
1

jokes aside, I really hope this sub doesn't believe as a majority that the dumb perspectives portrayed here are actually representative of "the left".. It's not all privilege and guilt.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 12:14 AM
1

Good stuff, then. Sorry, I'm an English major, and your points kinda seemed to contradict themselves as a result of your sentence structure and questionable pronoun usage
/r/MensRights17/08/17 10:28 PM
1

I really, really, really hope that a lot of these movements aren't ACTUALLY perceived as the same by people outside niche groups. Nazis, White Supremacists, Westboro Baptists actually base their core of beliefs around saying that other people's unchangeable traits don't deserve to exist on the world and should be eradicated or expelled. BLM and Anti-Fascists are impassioned liberals who think violence and demonstrations are necessary to oppose those movements. Feminist is a very broad label and …
/r/MensRights17/08/17 10:27 PM
1

Yes, but I agree with the other guy that your wording was dog-shit-terrible. Keep up the good work though, you're absolutely right
/r/MensRights17/08/17 10:20 PM
2

Not if 'we' are going out of our way to find problems with it. This doesn't infringe on anyone
/r/MensRights29/07/17 04:19 AM
4

Yeahhhh I'm a bit sick of it but it seems you can't have one without the other on reddit
/r/MensRights28/07/17 09:27 PM
15

Still looking for what this particular post has to do with men's rights.
/r/MensRights28/07/17 09:20 PM
1

Gotcha. Sorry, I'd have expected a slightly different mix of ethnicities/nationalities to prove your point and it threw me off. That is to say, you're very correct, and there are even more options.
/r/MensRights20/06/17 05:36 PM
3

Irish? Never been discriminated against. I'd look into pre-1940s New England a wee bit
/r/MensRights20/06/17 07:40 AM
8

almost like it's her sexuality, and not just there for your fun? crazy, isn't it!
/r/MensRights16/06/17 04:47 AM
5

That was completely my reaction too. Thanks for saying what I'm sure (or at least I hope) was on all of our minds.
/r/MensRights16/06/17 04:45 AM
1

You took the words out of my mouth. Thank you. I'm probably super liberal by the standards of this sub and that's fine; doesn't restrict me from defending everyone's rights.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 07:48 AM
3

I can understand that too. I've participated in a lot of discussions about masculinity and let a lot on positive masculinity. It's not something that isn't worth addressing. We say it all the time. People tell men they can't express emotion. People tell men they can't be caring. That IS addressing masculinity. It doesn't target men it targets how we feel what we feel. What's the issue there? I just don't think everyone's on the same pages for most of these discussions, and I think they'd be quic…
/r/MensRights13/06/17 07:18 AM
1

....sure....
/r/MensRights13/06/17 07:10 AM
3

I agree with everything you've said. I think this sub should be pro-men rather than anti-feminist, however. I think that it's an issue to promote it as anything but a positive movement. Feminists have arguing points. So do we. Why not agree that people have it rough and shouldn't? Why are half our posts laughing at/crying about people on tumblr saying dumb and horrible shit? Why don't we promote things we can make a difference on? Feminism is a label that anyone can take, as is men's rights acti…
/r/MensRights13/06/17 07:09 AM
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Don't think that's the case. I was worried initially about presenting myself as a demonstrable advocate for both male and female rights because there are a lot of people who hate on anyone who acknowledges that women exist. Honestly idek what the purpose of this discussion is so I think I'll dip out and enjoy my night, but I hope you have a wonderful day and don't have to worry about anything.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 07:03 AM
3

Hmm. I really disagree with that. I've experienced a lot of flak from feminists who I think we're misguided. I dunno if we're on the same page.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 06:30 AM
4

Fair enough. I, like I mentioned in another comment, am on a liberal college campus. I'm pretty liberal myself but I like to think I look out for everyone, especially those who don't have others to look out for. I don't think feminism NEEDS to look out for men's rights. I also don't think it should be actively detracting from movements with genuinely good goals. However, as long as subs like men's rights continue to have comments that adamantly refuse to acknowledge women's issues, it's very har…
/r/MensRights13/06/17 06:13 AM
2

Maybe there's a problem with your worldview if you think that someone saying everyone deserves basic human respect is trolling you..
/r/MensRights13/06/17 05:41 AM
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Perfect. Thanks for the introduction! Though I feel morally obliged to also stick around here to at least put something into the echo chamber hoping for the best. Lotta good people here who could do a lot more good with the right aiming.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 05:40 AM
2

Agh, you put it so simply and perfectly, and here I rambled for so long trying to justify myself. Also, ha! You just made the first username joke I've ever experienced, and it was perfect! Thank you!
/r/MensRights13/06/17 05:39 AM
2

And, for what it's worth: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf This doesn't say anything I'm not willing to defend, and it leaves out a lot of things that I am willing to defend. I'm a men's rights defender and a feminist and an equal rights defender in every way.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 05:02 AM
2

Man, I didn't talk about labor. Men have it worse for that and I completely agree. I do, however, think that we (as men) should acknowledge things like catcalling and try to fix them alongside trying to make men be more acknowledged as emotional beings
/r/MensRights13/06/17 04:47 AM
4

You've gotta be kidding me lmao. My ex was Syrian and very defensive of her culture and religion, and I loved and respected it insofar as the relationship lasted, but it's not possible to say that men don't have some priority over women in, say, Saudi Arabia. Women can't drive, and are frequently killed for adultery without punishment, even if it's rape. I recently watched a documentary and read the appropriately cited articles about the sex trade in Southeast Asia and the atrocities that occur …
/r/MensRights13/06/17 04:35 AM
5

what's the nutshell? Men's rights without the shitters?
/r/MensRights13/06/17 04:09 AM
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I absolutely agree. Every instance I've seen of "oh man look at these feminazis" has been matched on the same site by people proclaiming womens' inferiority or decrying genuine efforts to make people's lives better. It's easy to ignore your own group's faults, but it's better to acknowledge both faults and successes and move toward a better world for everyone. This sub has a great founding ideology but I think it falls short of it too often in favor of bashing others.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 02:43 AM
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Thanks! I do my best to stay quiet when it's not my place, but sometimes I think that people might actually gain from leaving the echo chamber his sub can be, and considering that people can be empathetic to multiple groups.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 02:38 AM
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No, we can't compare men being jailed when their spouse attacked them to being catcalled. We can, however, look at the numbers of husbands killing wives (iirc 87 or so percent of DV fatalities are men unto women) and kind of understand where it came from. Is it fair? Absolutely not. Should it be changed? Yes. Should there be a movement to help women in those places, when they're the primary victims? Absolutely. Should there also be an MRA movement to help male victims? Equally yes. Get what I'm …
/r/MensRights13/06/17 02:37 AM
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Fair enough! The Duluth model is pretty terrible, considering a little over half of both-people-abusing domestic violence is started by women. It's a. It hard to justify, however, when 87% of lethalities are suffered by women from DV. I always vie for increased awareness of male victims in any case but it'd be a crime for me to ignore the women. You know what I'm saying? I can care about multiple groups' issues at the same time. In order to say "hey men get fucked over in family court and a lot …
/r/MensRights13/06/17 02:32 AM
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Y'know, I see those people too, but I just think they're hijacking a movement that should be/really is about trying to help women walk the streets without being catcalled, prevent women from being in a place where society influences people like /r/niceguys to feel entitled to them, and to achieve the level of financial and political equality that laws say they have but they can't always achieve.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 01:07 AM
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This thread has actually shown a lot of good, valid points, including things I don't agree with. I would just like to put forward that it's possible to a) defend men's rights in a world that frequently doesn't consider them, b) simultaneously understand that there are aspects of the world (even in western society, though admittedly more frequently elsewhere) in which women have it a LOT worse than men. It's not an inherent issue that men dominate some spheres of life, nor the same for women. It …
/r/MensRights13/06/17 12:01 AM
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Sigh..it's sad that this is the controversial view. I'm a generally woke individual, being a black LGTB male, but this is ludicrous. Homelessness and drug addiction issues are things that either shouldn't have gender brought into them or should have a male focus. Anything else is fucking silly
/r/MensRights21/03/17 04:12 AM
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I get that, and I understand the need for donations of feminist products to women's shelters, but I can't help but wonder why there aren't similar options for men. If I were like countless others, when I came out as LGBT or as a victim of sexual assault, I'd be on the streets right now. It's a bit harrying to note that id have zero options for support.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 04:09 AM
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And re title it "Misogyny in a nutshell." A shitty gendered graphic is bad both ways, don't forget the point of this sub
/r/MensRights10/03/17 01:56 AM
3

Fair enough. Taxi cams should be a thing. For everyone's safety
/r/MensRights05/03/17 03:51 AM
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I'm with you. In 11 minutes, the article says, she went from hailing the cab to unconscious and having pissed herself. She was hammered.
/r/MensRights05/03/17 03:11 AM
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Well, her DNA was on him
/r/MensRights05/03/17 03:10 AM
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The fuck, dude? It's one thing to advocate for men's rights and quite another to call someone a princess for not wanting to be sexually assaulted. As a man, an egalitarian, a men's rights activist, and a victim of sexual assault, please don't say shit like that. You make every single one of those categories look bad.
/r/MensRights11/02/17 07:42 AM
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Yes, I read it too. Video can't perfectly exonerate them, though it'll go a long way. The information that they can't legally share could indicate intentional predatory intoxication, which would be a complication. For the record I don't think they're guilty, just trying to keep an open mind through the whole process.
/r/MensRights17/12/16 04:51 AM
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Incredibly interesting. At this point we can really only wait for the facts to come out and for this to go to trial, if it does. I don't like the title ix lower standards any more than the next guy, but this does look like a tough situation to exonerate them from and if they're declared guilty, it will be pretty bad for our movement as a whole because it seems like the athletic institution is supporting/defending sexual assaulters. But yeah. Time and facts will tell.
/r/MensRights16/12/16 08:25 PM
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Exactly. This post was just kind of counterproductive and based on the assumption that we're trying to remove in the first place. I'd like to hope that people would downvote less and consider more on this kind of thing, but c'est la vie.
/r/MensRights16/12/16 04:54 PM
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This kind of conjecture does nothing. You can't bitch when the justice system does its job correctly.
/r/MensRights16/12/16 01:47 PM
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this. can't criticize shit and do even dumber shit
/r/MensRights31/10/16 06:07 AM
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My thoughts exactly. It's also troubling that a lot of people don't pay attention to other issues, and thus become perpetrators of the same crime we deny when being accused of it. I subscribe to several feminist subs and genuinely acknowledge and fight for other causes, because the answer to media selectivity isn't media selectivity in the opposite direction. If we want genuine human rights issues regarding men to get the PR they deserve, we need to demonstrate as a community that we care about …
/r/MensRights24/12/15 06:06 AM
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I'm just commenting to say that I really respect the idea behind your comment. I see a lot of comments on this sub that could easily come off as sexist and I like that you're devoted to what the majority want: equality and truth.
/r/MensRights24/12/15 05:25 AM
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I really don't know how to explain it any better, man. Your perspective just seems ridiculous - I used to think similarly, but then I turned 15. I was a beta piece of shit - still am, to a degree - but I don't think that being nice will get me anywhere. If I want a relationship or sex or w/e, I need to be confident and attractive. Not douchey, that is a completely false association
/r/MensRights14/10/15 02:35 PM
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It's an entitled attitude to say things like "you friend zoned me even though I had all your best intentions in mind?" It's not male entitlement. There are nicegirls too. It's just that nobody owes you a relationship/sex just for respecting them. Being "Nice" is just meeting the bare minimum requirements for being a decent human being.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 02:11 AM
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What shaming language are you talking about here? Additionally, I'm not attacking men. I'm a strong supporter of men's rights (and women's rights obviously) in society. I happen to believe men are more systematically and institutionally victimized, but that doesn't erase female victims. What of this is "telling"?
/r/MensRights13/10/15 12:08 AM
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TRP is also a disgusting excuse for a men's advocacy group. The dating atmosphere in this day and age does favor women, but the response is not demonization, belittlement, and pretending like all women, by some biological phenomenon, like to be abused. Women tend to appreciate confidence in men, as well as a degree of self-respect, which often ties itself with success. It's an obvious-to-the-point-of-subconsciousness connection that a man who prostrates himself before women (a la "I'm a nice guy…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 11:17 PM
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Your comment is part of the reason feminism is so necessary. The OP was about looking past generalizations and teaching the daughter to do the same, but you turn around and do the exact same thing it condemns. You do the exact same thing that the SJWs quote to justify going so radical. What is so hard to see about this? Stop looking at it like its men vs women. we're two sides of a coin and generalizing and vilifying accomplishes nothing
/r/MensRights30/09/15 07:05 PM
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I agree with you. Good criticism
/r/MensRights02/09/15 06:43 PM
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I agree. That was my point from the beginning. I've read the Quran. I dated a Muslim for a solid chunk of my life. I was (to be frank, in hindsight) somewhat disgusted by a few elements of her culture even as I tried to be as respectful as possible, though Islam always was a positive force in her life.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 02:29 PM
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Right, and I agree with you there, but IS do not represent Islam as much as they claim to. I could gather some friends and go slaughter children and kill my wife and burn everything down and claim I was simply interpreting the book of Job as a literal way to prove my faith, but that doesn't make Christianity a violent religion. It makes me a shitty practitioner. If the issue is Islam and not a localized culture, why don't Indonesians and Pakistanis agree and join up?
/r/MensRights01/09/15 10:07 PM
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TYL regions with massive political instability have different types of radical extremism in religion. Westboro baptist church protests. Bigoted state clerks refuse to give marriage licenses. The politically unstable Arab nations filled with preexisting violence blow things up. Does it really not change anything for you that the acts of violence are not supported by any imams? That a lot of opposition to IS is Muslim as well?
/r/MensRights01/09/15 09:34 PM
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I didn't think you were joking, I just thought you were wrong. Your arguments carry more weight if you actually do your research.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 09:15 PM
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Jokes on you, I HAVE read the Quran. Also, it's fallacious to say "go do research and you'll see that I'm right." Islam is a religion of peace with the same fundamental statutes that were necessary for its survival and prevalence early on as Judaism and Christianity. The complex geopolitical quagmire that is the middle was is what leads to the horrible atmosphere you see today
/r/MensRights01/09/15 04:57 PM
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That's...incorrect... Even assuming there was some basis behind that accusation, it'd be attributed to Arab culture much earlier than religion. There's a reason you don't see it in, say, Indonesia.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 04:25 PM
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The issue I find with this is that you're assuming some big generalizations about both movements. Some feminists are absolutely awful dogmatists with no sense of logic. Some MRAs are bitter and actually do hate women. They are willing to marginalized women because of the same feeling of victimization that spurs on the former movement. This black and white picture of a vase and faces has more gray than you think.
/r/MensRights22/08/15 04:51 PM
0

The second woman had it okay. I agree that whoever asks the other person out should pay until some sort of relationship is established, that just makes sense. However, I also think women should ask every now and then.
/r/MensRights17/08/15 06:48 PM
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"ultimate proof that men are infinitely easier to get along with than women." I was unaware that a singular example of someone's subjective experience is 'ultimate proof' now.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 09:00 PM
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I agree, that's what I got out of it.
/r/MensRights06/08/15 07:02 PM
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Anyone can make an advance but it's the adults responsibility to resist them. That's what I meant, she's not absolved of responsibility, it's just acknowledged that its a difficult situation for her
/r/MensRights04/08/15 10:23 PM
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That's the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. In a fraternity, you have MORE responsibility because you're representing more than just yourself. I've heard in the south (where Greek life is huge and competitive) they can get away with more, but here in the Midwest I'd say it's pretty tame and even brings negative street cred. Still turn the fuck up tho
/r/MensRights04/08/15 09:52 PM
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That may very well be true. It's an explanation, not an excuse, and it still looks like she's being fully prosecuted. They're not making it out to not be a big deal that she raped kids, it seems, just that it's an unfortunate (for everyone involved) scenario. An explanation, not an excuse.
/r/MensRights04/08/15 09:38 PM
1

Ah, fair. Oh, how I love the Amish..
/r/MensRights03/08/15 06:38 PM
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/#NotAllMennonites Naw, my grandpas a Mennonite pastor, that isn't even part of it.
/r/MensRights03/08/15 05:39 PM
1

Good to see sense. Thanks for your anecdote. It's far too situational to boil down to one variable like gender; maybe you just dealt with a dickish cop.
/r/MensRights31/07/15 09:57 PM
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Clitorectomy would be equivalent to the removal of the glans. That's where the nerve endings are comparable, and where development leads the same tissue in the two sexes I'm not trying to trivialize it, but don't exaggerate - it reduces the validity of your argument.
/r/MensRights25/07/15 03:09 PM
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I say it to everyone. Also, why do you keep saying "you" and "your"? I hope you haven't mistaken the way in which I (probably inefficiently) expressed my distaste if the WAY you critique feminism for distaste in what you're critiquing.
/r/MensRights24/07/15 02:52 AM
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Probably because I was like 12. I'm not NAFALTing out of anything. I just don't understand how you can fail to see the hypocrisy here. Isn't it best for everyone involved to approach things maturely and logically? Be the bigger man and stop saying "b-but they won't stop t-trying to silence me and t-take my rights!" No shit. Assholes gonna asshole. Respect the movement for what it used to be. Repair the movement for what it is now. Reverse the problems it has created, but don't disparage the CONC…
/r/MensRights24/07/15 02:31 AM
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Well, sure, but don't direct that hostility at me. It definitely doesn't apply to me. I agree with the toxicity and problematic nature of what is moving into the mainstream, but I think it is pervasive to different degrees in different situations. I just find issue with disrespecting the core ideology when a bastardization of it gains power. We didn't abandon the civil rights movement when the Black Panther gained sway.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 11:22 PM
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No, you're just being overly hostile. I attempted to make my point and I disagreed with the validity of your responses. I'd rather be a 'coward' than someone who can only find bravery by arguing on the Internet. I said what I needed to say and you rebutted. I hoped we could both just come out of that with new information and think over our positions.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 10:36 PM
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You're not entitled to my continuing this conversation. I simply realized it was getting nowhere and decided to quit
/r/MensRights23/07/15 05:20 PM
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That's fine, I'm not out to convince anyone of anything. Our experiences are different and nothing can change that.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 05:19 PM
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I've actually been impressed, at least in feminist subs on reddit, at how well conversations go when I raise my objections/questions. I've had only good experiences.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 12:44 PM
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I find it harmful to declare feminism a "b.s. ideology" for the opinions and actions of any number of its followers. It's like hypocritical Christians; yes, they're doing it wrong, there are a good amount of them, and they hold sway in how things happen in the country. But there's nothing inherently wrong with Christianity and a lot of great things are done in its name, even as they're less publicized. I agree with your cited evidence and the principles upon which you raise the objections, and i…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 06:07 PM
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Don't fall into the same pit of generalization and straw manning that you can criticize in many aspects of modern, popular third wave feminism. Some, or dare I say, most feminists with half a brain in their heads do care about domestic abuse of children and the victims. It's simply not as black-and-white or as easy for the media to trace, so for a movement that is still gaining traction, it doesn't offer as much. Statistics can't yield direct results. To illustrate what I mean by that last state…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 05:39 PM
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In that case, the man isn't creepy for saying hello. It's creepy that he doesn't have teeth. And it's not as though only women would be creeped out by that.
/r/MensRights19/07/15 03:34 PM
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Or staring at you, etc.. I really hope that people don't keep circle jerking the "it's only creepy because I'm not attractive" thing. That doesn't mean girls are bullies or sexist, if anything, it just means attractive people (both sexes) can get away with things that usually aren't socially acceptable, which is true. There are people who are creepy. For a personal example, one of the main criteria in my fraternity for not being given a bid is being creepy toward girls. Effectively, not being ab…
/r/MensRights18/07/15 10:11 PM
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No. Being petty does nothing but give them more fuel. Do you really think they'd say "oh our beliefs have consequences that we deserve, we should stop"?
/r/MensRights18/07/15 02:39 AM
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10,000 times this. Needed to be said
/r/MensRights17/07/15 06:48 PM
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No worries.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 05:32 PM
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Good point, but I think the other objection is valid, too. (as I commented below)
/r/MensRights16/07/15 05:16 PM
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No, she's saying that if the scenario you describe happens and he doesn't stop, the app would still suggest evidence that consent was given. The app can't possibly tell whether consent was withdrawn (and whether that withdrawing was respected). i.e. If the male doesn't stop, woman is raped. She takes him to court. He says "No, it was consentful the whole time - here is my evidence of her giving consent." The only evidence she has to say she changed her mind is she-said-he-said stuff.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 05:12 PM
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"But McDonnell-Parry doesn't bother with any of those facts. Nevertheless, she is correct about this: the app cannot guard against someone changing her mind after she's given consent. Let's consider the reality: if a trier of fact sees a woman giving clear consent via this app, it's going to be pretty damn difficult to convict the guy of rape for something that happened later that night. Prosecutors likely won't even bother with cases like that--and, no, that's not necessarily a good thing. The …
/r/MensRights16/07/15 04:03 PM
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DI stands for directional influence, which is smashin the thumb stick in a calculated direction to either lessen the knock back of a killing blow or extend the knock back of a combo beginner to avoid a chain. There's no point in explaining it to someone, I got s chuckle it of it but it's not a high brow joke.
/r/MensRights13/07/15 10:30 PM
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