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No I will never understand the desire for anal. It’s 1 centimeter away from an objectively better sex spot It’s like wanting to eat through your nose
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 05:02 PM
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Very often for both genders, as looks are incredibly important
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:31 AM
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Looking forward to your post, it’s a good topic to bring up Things that matter for men but not women: Height, protruded chin, cheekbone definition, no hyoid fat, low ramus, low set brow, low scalera show for under eyes, muscle, dick size, bone size Things that matter to both men and women: Shoulder width, wrinkles, hands, lips, eyebrow thickness, hairline, shoulder to waist ratio Things that matter to women that men can get away with more: Nose, minor skin blemishes, breast size, butt size, femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:20 AM
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Part of the reason there are more good looking women is because they can be on both ends of the extreme, while men have to be on one. Women can be short or tall, have “hunter eyes” or “prey eyes”, be skinny or curvy, have a round or defined jaw, and still look good. Attractive men cannot be short, prey eyed, weak jawed, or curvy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:53 PM
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There’s two types of attractive male: Masculine attractive and “pretty boy” attractive Think like TikTok E-Boy as one, and Chris Hemsworth as another Both types are low body fat %
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:49 PM
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Mens key attraction features are a defined jaw, minor vascularity, abs, and leanness Womens is cuteness, softness, curviness, ample fat storage in breasts, thighs, butt High body fat absolutely looks worse on men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:57 PM
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Implying women care They don’t. They’re way more insecure and scared of rejection, they rather just pick the next guy in line than risk rejection approaching anyone who isn’t wildly handsome The onus is on men to overcome shyness and approach
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:16 AM
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You’re taking the analogy literally It’s about how women can choose to forgo something easier because they can have that thing at any time While men forgo it because they can’t have it even when they try
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:37 AM
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Female solipsism at its finest Take a male burden and make it all about your problems
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:36 AM
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I’m not saying I disagree But it would be good if you included sources for your claims Here’s one that supports your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:12 AM
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Women have ingrained and internalized getting approval for their looks so much that they can’t separate their own self interests with desiring external approval You won’t find any better explanation from them, other than vague statements like “I like how it feels” or “it’s meditative and a comforting routine”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:23 PM
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Depends how you define the rating system You have a significantly inflated system where by just not being fat is a 7/10. So yes according to your system, a not fat, middle class dude with some hobbies is 10/10. But that’s not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 07:43 PM
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Apples and oranges to what was said above Yes I agree ugly women have it the hardest, harder than ugly men. But the difference is that an extremely small amount of young, healthy women would be classified as “ugly enough to not get attention”, while for men it’s the majority of them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:43 PM
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That’s uniquely a woman’s privilege to have her relationship halting factor being a figment of her imagination and her insecurities Back to the food analogy: That’s like a woman at a fruit stand not picking anything because she’s worried she’ll get an apple with a worm in it While men are starving and will take any fruit, as long as it’s not morbidly moldy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:31 PM
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Definitely true from women under 40 Even true for women over 40, but the quality of man pursuing you goes down immensely
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:30 PM
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Fair enough, but the threshold for being ugly as a young woman is super high. She’d have to be either obese or horrifically disfigured. But working out, wearing makeup, and at most some minor cosmetic surgeries will make 99.9999% of women pass the threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:13 PM
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Being single as a woman is a choice. They can get access to love and sex at any time It’s like fasting for health benefits versus genuinely starving
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:44 PM
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Yes people are often jealous of those with more sexual market value Men with height and strength Women with youth and prettiness
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:58 PM
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28% of men self reporting, meaning it’s likely higher since men will underreport being sexless Then there’s the subsection of men who get laid once a year, but still a paltry amount Then there’s men in relationships where they have to fully jester and ATM just for occasional sex. Hard to say how many men are actually in genuinely happy relationships with good sex and balanced contributions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:23 PM
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Do you mind linking the pew article? My understanding of the GSS was that 28% of young men are not only not in relationships, but sexless in the past year
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:33 PM
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Yes Even if online dating skews 80/20 men, in real life the population is 50:50. So why are women underrepresented in OLD in the first place? And shouldn’t both genders have equal “offline” pair up rates if the women not on OLD are in monogamous relationships? The answer is that 80/20 happens both online and offline
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:34 PM
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I can agree with John legend, but Matt Damon is well above average in looks
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:38 PM
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Men overcount and women undercount due to societal taboos regarding sexual experience amongst men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:19 PM
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28 Call it 2 partners in high school, 4 partners per semester for the first two years of college, 2 partners a semester for the last two in college, then two boyfriend relationships for the two years out of college. Or they had a boyfriend in college and had casual sex post college Super rough estimate though so don’t take any of these calculations too seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:09 AM
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Online dating is the most common way people meet these days And do you have data to suggest real life interactions put less stress on looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 08:10 PM
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The data says otherwise Your looks IS your personality in online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 07:42 PM
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Why can’t this sub understand that men and women are different. A woman displaying her sexuality to a man without consent is way better than a man displaying his sexuality to a woman without consent. The sub thinks the counter to whiny feminist crying about nothing is to equally whine and cry about nothing
/r/MensRights09/09/22 04:54 AM
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Yeah good point, it’s not necessarily a straw man, edited my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:04 AM
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“Men saying they wouldn’t date an OF girl isn’t valid because they wouldn’t date you anyway” Fair enough, but the same goes for average chicks demanding a tall, rich, handsome, strong, emotionally intelligent, successful man
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:46 AM
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This is a blue pill idea called “the feminine mystique”. It says that all women are different and unique and a mystery and red pill isn’t valid because it generalizes women. The reality is that it’s basic strategy as a man to generalize and use mating strategies that generally work. Getting women as a guy is akin to sales funneling. Men date with a shotgun approach, which requires generalizations of how to act to attract women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:44 AM
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Off topic, but how do you figure the retirement accounts will let you retire by 40? You can’t access the benefits until 60
/r/MensRights07/09/22 02:37 PM
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Because they’re with hideous cows that are leeching off their financial and emotional bank accounts. Most average dudes in relationships are with dumpy women and have to act like jesters, therapists, and ATMs just for a crumb of pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:35 AM
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Yes, but on the flip side: any dude watching porn, if given the option for just as readily available real sex, would chose the real sex It’s a feedback loop of men watching porn because it’s easier, which makes them complacent in charming women, which makes it even harder to get real sex, which makes porn even more appealing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:10 AM
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Sex with women in my age range in my county? 75% Relationships? 40%
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:02 PM
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We see the worst when we spend time online in these spaces I don’t advocate the blue pill, but there’s certainly plenty of couples out there in love with minimal arguing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 06:31 PM
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Who cares? This really isn’t an important issue Makes my dick look bigger anyway lmao
/r/MensRights04/09/22 04:16 PM
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Men and women both get less physically attractive with age But due to biological factors like men having literally thicker and rougher skin, men retain their looks slightly longer than women And just physical appearance aside, men “age better” in the sense that it takes longer to develop the competency suite that women find attractive. So a guy who puts in the work while in his 20s will peak SMV in 30s. Womens SMV driver is looks and fertility, both fall off in their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 11:25 PM
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No they are not good debaters. They just parrot Rollo Tomassi’s work, but lack the Charisma of someone like Andrew Tate And Fresh is legitimately an awful podcast host. He can’t even articulate a point correctly I like the format of challenging viewpoints with women live, but Fresh and Fit are not great hosts
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:04 AM
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I’m saying if your legs don’t work, it’s better to use a wheelchair than to crawl everywhere If you got a small member, better to learn how to satisfy a women in other ways, rather than give up on women entirely Red pill is about making the most of your situation in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 06:29 PM
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I understand labor is painful, but suck it up. It’s a womens unique gift endowed to them, it’s their duty to have children I wouldn’t ask women to go through a “protect and provide and learn game simulator”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:50 PM
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Make sure you don’t tell him it’s because he’s not big enough though, just saw your edit. To answer your original question, yes if I knew it was because she’s used to bigger, I’d be insecure about it every time we fuck. Absolutely don’t tell him the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:39 AM
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Would not be a big deal, because it’s the same either way: If vanilla sex is fine but she wants toys to spice it up, it’s no big deal, and a good thing for men to learn how to incorporate sex toys If she’s saying it because your member is too small, still use the toys. She likes you enough that she’s still willing to give it a shot. If your member is too small there’s nothing you can do about it. Play to your strengths, and in this case it’s incorporating toys
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:10 AM
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Yup understand, I was just speaking generally
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 08:16 PM
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Calling men gay is a common shaming tactic the blue pill uses when a man dares to act on his biological mating strategy He’s living the life many men want
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:30 PM
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Imagine a man inviting over 500 women to the town square, and having them perform a cooking competition in order to score a date with him Female primary social order at its clearest
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:29 PM
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Desperately shooting their shot
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:27 PM
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I think it’s a sample bias; the type of women in my age range that need to use speed dating are typically women to avoid. Not excusing the men either, but overall I rather just save time and swipe 200 women on tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:22 PM
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That’s why religious monogamy was encouraged imo Keeps societies more stable if you must pair off 1:1
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:07 AM
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Western society is a female primary social order. Where a women’s mating strategy is deemed the correct one, and men’s as degenerate. Women want to have fun with a bunch of guys while young, and settle in a monogamous relationship with a high value man. This is considered normal. Men want to have sex with a lot of young women. Men’s ideal mating strategy would be to have a relationship with one or a couple women as the main women and child raisers, while also fucking a bunch of young women on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:14 AM
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For men to be happy in their relationships, however they decide that is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 08:02 PM
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Women rather have a tall man who is scrawny and can’t fight over a shorter, stronger counterpart. Women are wired to want taller men, but it’s not some patriarchy oppression nonsense There’s ample studies that show women prefer men with dark triad traits, so that’s another counterpoint to your theory
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 03:51 AM
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Evil and violent men are not attractive to women Women gravitate towards “dark triad” traits in men who are already attractive and charismatic. But there is a significant amount of nuance to this. It’s Han Solo, Jim Stark, Rhett Butler sort of bad boy, not autistic serial killers The examples you discuss are markedly attractive men with cult followings, but that is a niche and doesn’t represent the general rule
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 07:29 PM
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High quality post There’s this dissonance where masculine traits are deemed ‘toxic masculinity’ when they harm women, but ‘chivalrous’ when they benefit women. But these traits are cut from the same cloth. Masculine aggression can cause violence, but also fight against the forces of nature and protect others and build empires. Emotional stoicism frustrates women when they want an intimate connection, but love it when men can push down emotions to handle tough situations or provide support to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 03:52 PM
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If you’re not weightlifting as a young man then you’re not a man These posts about “walking 20 minutes” as exercise are pathetic, unless you’re obese or over 60
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 05:00 PM
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“The rational male” for the red pill theory and fundamentals Videos of Andrew Tate on FreshandFit for how to embody RP ideals to be charismatic
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:45 AM
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I think this is actually a very realistic assessment. I’d agree with pretty much all of these
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:42 AM
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I think you’d be surprised how many of these guys actually DO have these red pill thoughts but are just good at hiding it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:09 PM
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That same logic can be applied to racism or misogyny I get that in the world humans evolved to categorize groups and prejudices and threats, but it’s a slippery slope towards harmful descrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:08 PM
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To put it in biological terms, men and women have opposing mating strategies. Men are wired to reproduce with many women, while women are wired to reproduce with only one or a select few of the highest status men. The word “opposition” is a bit harsh, but it is spot on that in our nature men and women have different sexual strategies, that directly oppose each other. The issue in society is that women’s mating strategy is considered the only correct one, while mens’ is considered childish and mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:38 PM
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A lot of bluepillers are shocked about the rise of RP figures like Kevin Samuels or Andrew Tate. But as you point out, a significant population of men are perfectly hygienic and normal. But the BP labels all these men who struggle to get laid as neckbeard sexists, and only give advice to respect women and shower, which these men do anyway. So where are they suppose to turn to get actionable advice to improve their sex life? Hence the popularity of the RP, especially amongst young men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:33 PM
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It absolutely has helped The transition period from being blue pulled to trying out red pill behaviors was the point of the worst results. But the end game of RP is much better than the endgame of BP
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:51 AM
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Your post is saying that game attracts women… yes this is the crux of red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:42 AM
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I think it’s a perfectly logical thing for women to do, but I’d never wife up a women who does that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:33 AM
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It’s survey results: likely men overinflate their name and women underinflate
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:31 AM
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The ‘Alpha Fs’ women chase in their 20s isn’t necessarily a bad boy, it’s one of three types: Hot bad boy Hot suave boy Hot fun guy So to answer your question, you get in the desired category of guy if your hot, smooth, and live an exciting life
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:50 AM
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It puts you at a disadvantage, but it’s not the end all be all. Provided you don’t disclose your inexperience, It means your first few interactions will be awkward, and she may lose interest. But it really doesn’t take too long to learn how to escalate and perform well. Like after 5 women you get the hang of it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:20 PM
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Yes, online dating is how 39% of couples meet these days, this single category greater than all other meetup categories. See the breakdown chart here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/20822/way-of-meeting-partner-heterosexual-us-couples/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 11:49 PM
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An overwhelming amount of legitimate research has shown how good looks and height affect overall life satisfaction. Casual sex options, long term relationship satisfaction, marriage satisfaction, income, likelihood of promotions and leadership positions, charisma, respect from men, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 11:46 PM
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BJJ and Boxing were before the surgery. Post surgery I took a year off and then gradually eased back into those Boxing wise there’s not really risk to femur impact, and BJJ wise I tap early to leg attacks and heel hooks. The doctor said I’m fully healed at this point, so really it’s more psyching myself out during BJJ at times. A lot of the athleticism loss isn’t necessarily the bones being weaker, but your body needing to adapt to balance and coordination with different leg height
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:25 PM
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The height surgery was far less impactful than the jaw surgery in improving my SMV But an overwhelming number of legitimate studies show that height correlates to sexual attraction, long term relationship satisfaction, charisma, leadership potential, likelihood of being a CEO or president, and income. I would not recommend the height surgery to those who don’t have a lot of money to spend, provided they are already 5’8” or taller. But I had the money, and have ambitions to be a leader
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:31 PM
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Sex is great but overrated. Being truly desired and validated by attractive women, and the quality of the relationship when a beautiful women loves you deeply is damn near priceless. When I say love is conditional, I don’t mean it’s not real. It’s that you need to be a top performer and high tier male to even get it, and if you skip it’s gone. In that sense it’s impure. But the love and affective and validation I get now from women is hugely satisfying. I’m still not a male model or anything, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:13 PM
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Yes that’s the one. Look at Dr Paley and the “Precice” nail system for the details. Surgery was ~$115,000, but all in with flights and lodging care and PT and medicine was closer to $140,000 Consists of about two years with multiple surgeries. After the first surgery there were a couple months of daily ERC activation and physical therapy. Then there are several surgeries and check up appointments to monitor the bone development and make sure there weren’t complications. You can actually do daily…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:04 PM
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I get your point, but keep in mind a lot of this has helped me outside of dating Looks and fight training and charisma have readily carried over to my interactions with friends, coworkers, bosses, etc. Really the core of female attraction is being high status, physically attractive, and kind but masculine. These traits have helped me in my career and friendships and personal contentment too. But yes, it would be nice to have been born handsome and saved a ton of time and money. But that’s life. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:55 PM
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Not a problem. When the red pill gurus say “put in the work”, they were always vague. My experience has been that this saying involved what I mentioned above. The time consists of many things: -How to pose for good pictures for online dating -How to text charismatically in online dating, and go from witty opener to gradual and smooth transition to a date -Understanding and fixing body language and posture -Learning to tell interesting stories -Going on adventures and having interesting stories t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:40 PM
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-$40,000 on a nice car I otherwise wouldn’t need -$1500 on nice clothes I otherwise would not have needed -$2000 a month more on rent I otherwise wouldn’t have needed -$165,000+ on cosmetic surgery (Jaw and Height), plus the pain of recovery time and slightly impacted athleticism for life -1000 hours of learning to be charismatic and entertaining around women, both via text and in person dates -100 hours of Fing less than attractive women to get good at sex (20x as many hours actually going from…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:19 PM
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Hypergamy If you understand and accept hypergamy, all female behavior and red pill ideology revolves around this fundamental idea. Increasing SMV, Alpha Fs/Beta Bucks, demonstrating high value behavior, all stem from this. Bluepill operates under blank slate equalism. Men and women have similar attraction rates to the opposite partner, and look for similar personality traits
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:37 AM
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I think it helps cement the RP. It’s evident that in this forum designed to challenge BP and RP ideals, the BP arguments are cliche and easily debunked. I’m just here for the entertainment at this point; yet to see an actually valid BP argument that wasn’t just a strawman. To answer your question: yes leave this sub and pursue your life with the RP knowledge base. If you want sexual selection, you need to put in the work in charisma, story telling, interesting life experiences, muscles, money, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:55 AM
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