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Agreed, which is why I don't understand why you would post pictures of women in their 40s or 50s as some kind of counterargument to men in this thread, who are likely in their 20s. Not being attracted to a women 20 years older than you does not make a man hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:50 PM
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Wanting a partner in your own age range is not hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:03 AM
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Of course sexy men will get attention from women. But you can also check out all the PUAs who get in both sexual and romantic relationships with beautiful women (if that's one's criteria for success) - they are very average-looking or even ugly. There’s no such thing as a sexy personality. This is actually a really interesting point. I'll have to think about it some more, about what I consider a "personality". Anyway, I genuinely appreciate the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:31 PM
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Sexual attractiveness has more to do with looks and romantic attraction has more to do with being romantic. Okay, I'm not a woman, but I guarantee you that you're wrong about this. For a man to be sexually attractive to a woman, it has as much (if not more) to do with his personality as with his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:14 PM
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I disagree. I think it's crucial. That's why women consistently name "confidence" as one of their requirements for finding a man attractive, and it's why extraversion is so strongly correlated with partnership for men (unlike agreeableness).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:07 PM
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And my overarching point is that men and women have one important difference in their baseline attraction: extraversion. If you don't have such traits naturally as a man (confidence, drive, taking initiative, boldness etc.) you'll have to work hard to change to your personality, or you'll have to fake it. That's what playing the jester means. But have you seen them around women when they think you're not looking? Yes, I have. Like I said, these guys are kind and friendly. They're simply shy and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:56 PM
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But you didn't say that beforehand. I assumed that's what we were talking about since you brought it up. Was that unreasonable of me? As someone who has had 'lonely friends', they typically end up alone because they're unbearable. And as someone who has had still has "lonely friends" as well, they're perfectly kind and pleasant guys to be around. Their problem is that they aren't particularly socially adept when it comes to attraction (with women). Where? You arguing with me about it. Here: "Lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:38 PM
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Well, you said that: This man's dating prospect is either a terrible person or has different politics. Having different politics doesn't make someone a terrible person in my opinion. "...the only types of people he’ll have around him are people who are disagreeable themselves." That what I was pushing back against. He can have a bunch of friends who are good people, yet the only woman who wants him is not a particularly good person. In that case, like I said, I understand why he would choose tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:34 PM
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That says a lot about him. That’s a common consequence of being disagreeable. Or... He might have great friends and other good people around him - he has just failed to make himself attractive to women. Again, this is your own radicalization speaking. You assume that the majority of unattractive men are terrible people. A guy who thinks like that is not appealing to most women. A guy like that is more attractive than a man who is only agreeable - that man would only get friend zoned. This was my…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:22 PM
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No, I absolutely agree. I'm responding to OP's framing - that men are horrible aggressive beings who need to "do better" (not OP's words, but a very common phrase among feminists), while women simply are innocent victims. The truth is, I believe (and I think you agree), that both men and women contribute to this. Just as it is valuable and necessary to teach young men about consent, it is also valuable in my opinion to teach women not to fetishize rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:55 PM
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You're right. I worded that second paragraph poorly. The question from the survey wasn't about "being dominant", but about the other kinks I listed (rapeplay, violated consent etc.) From what I can remember, more women fantasize about this (being on the receiving end) than men do (being on the giving end). But again, I'm not going to double-check that, so feel free to disregard it. That's what my answer was getting at. We have this view in society that men are brought up being sexually aggressiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:38 PM
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Male dominance and female submission are eroticized in our society. You can see this in Aella's kink survey, where things like "being a slave", "rapeplay (receiving)" and "having consent violated" are (heavily) female-dominated preferences, while their opposites are male-dominated, Interestingly enough, I think I remember there being a disparity, where women enjoy being dominated more than men enjoy being dominant. But her site is atrocious to navigate so I'm not able to verify that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:08 PM
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have you never found someone to be sexually attractive and then it turns out they’re a terrible person or had different politics? It's not good and it's not something I recommend, but I can't really blame a man (or woman) if the alternative is a life without ever experiencing romantic intimacy. But a guy can be extroverted and agreeable. Of course he can. But then agreeableness would've had as positive of a correlation for men as extraversion, but it apparently doesn't. This is what men mean by …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:10 AM
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It's absolutely not a myth. It's why women consistently name "confidence" as one of the baseline attractive traits a man can have, while men simply don't do the same. Try describing a man's perfect woman to him, then add that she is socially awkward and shy. See how little that will affect his desire to be with her. On the contrary, being shy can sometimes make a woman more attractive. The one case where it does matter is women who are so anxious that they don't even want to go on dates. Those w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:47 AM
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More women than men are okay with that. It’s not ideal, nor desired per se. But they can deal with it. I mostly agree with this. My main issue is: can we then at least put to rest the idea that "the bar is in hell"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:02 PM
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I never assumed that. Please re-read my responses. I already explained it to you. I even came up with plausible examples which you, conveniently, ignored. Why are you assuming that messing up a date has nothing to do with romantic and sexual attraction? Your reasoning seems to be that men are disagreeable, but I already showed you evidence that extraversion seems more important than agreeableness for a man. It's especially strange since we both agree that "Can I get her to like me as a person?" …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:59 PM
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Do you guys go on dates with women you're not attracted to? Landing a date with a woman, as a man, requires her to find you "baseline attractive", no? The man has to establish that first - to present himself as attractive - or she'll reject him. Messing up a date has nothing to do with romantic and sexual attraction. It does, because women are turned off by men who are shy or socially awkward. "can I get her to like me as a person?" What? That is exactly what I've been trying to tell you. You've…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:02 PM
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You skipped past an important step: landing a date in the first place - establishing "baseline attraction". This requires the same traits I was talking about. Because he might still screw up the date. Maybe he's more confident speaking with women in text (if we're talking online dating). Maybe he gets nervous. There are plenty of reasons why "baseline attractive" isn't enough. Who said anything about money, or "I want your dick right here"? I don't understand who you're responding to right now. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:37 PM
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Yeah, Reddit is a little weird about hyperlinks. Might be because of that. What 'spark' are you talking about? Sparking attraction. Being romantically and sexually attracted to a man. You've made the case before that women are much less interested in casual sex than men, and you're correct about that, so those two standards intertwine for women. I actually agree about the "male loneliness epidemic" - I think it's more a general loneliness problem than a male-specific one. I can't speak to your e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:54 PM
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No, but it happens for different reasons. In fact, if you read OP as addressed to a woman, it's quite accurate. A woman who is kind, supportive and shares a man's interests will be a lot more successful in dating (meaning that a lot of men will find her attractive) than her male counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:19 PM
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Now I feel hurt that you didn't respond to me directly... :C Anyway, the "compatibility" you're talking about is not going to cut it for a man (for a woman, however, it will). A man can have as much in common with a woman as possible - shared interests, values, life goals - if he is unable to create a spark, or whatever you want to call it, she won't be attracted to him. He might make a new friend, which is fine of course, but he is not going to find a relationship. That's why you see this confu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:42 AM
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I think that's the most common dating problem for men: Being adamant on being disagreeable. Well, this study (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656625001060?via%3Dihub) contradicts what you're claiming. It showed that the personality trait most strongly linked to partnership for men was extraversion - not agreeableness. Quoting the study: "The gender moderation effects we observed—particularly the stronger associations between extraversion and men’s partnership formation—sug…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:27 AM
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I guess they're referring to the privilege of always having the option not to be (romantically and sexually) alone. I don't know - I don't use those terms. Not being a dick is not enough to be attractive to women. You know this. Playing a jester refers to "game" - to be one who has to perform. Like I mentioned, it's totally fine for a woman to be shy and awkward. Lots of men will, in fact, find that cute and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:05 PM
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it sounds like the problem is that men are willing to tolerate people, behaviors, and social environments that regular women would step away from. Women have higher standards than men. More at 11. As has already been pointed out, if the choice is lowering your standards or being alone, a lot of men do choose to lower their standards. Also, lacking social skills doesn't necessarily mean someone is disagreeable. The person could just be shy and awkward. Men don't care about those things as much as…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:45 PM
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It's easy talk about "self respect" when you're someone with options. The situation becomes a little different when the alternative is an entire life without ever experiencing romantic or sexual intimacy. And no, friends are not going to compensate for that. You know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:37 PM
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Most people are "alone" not because of a rigged system, but because they refuse to do the basic maintenance—socially and personally—that everyone else is already doing. People have such a hard time admitting that women have higher standards than men. No, "basic maintenance" is not going be enough if you're a man. That doesn't mean that the system is rigged or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:52 AM
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I think there are two points here: craving intimacy and wanting to live up to society's standards. For the first point, I think you as a woman probably have somewhat similar feelings. The difference is, of course, that you don't have to work as hard to have those cravings satisfied. So it's much easier for a woman to shrug and ask men why they obsess over these things so much. "It's just sex", "It's just a date"... We've all heard those comments before. On top of that, men are not supposed to sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:15 PM
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I agree at least with the title of your post. You talk about the female version of simps, but those aren't the women I've seen be called pick-mes. The women who are called pick-mes, in my experience, are women who deviate from the progressive narrative about what a modern woman ought to be. That means women who are nationalists, anti-feminist (or simply highly critical of modern feminism), capitalist, or just overall right-wing ideologically. And yes, men tend to love those women (I certainly do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:03 AM
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I'm viewing OP's post in relation to her previous ones. There's a clear through line, I believe, in her perspective: men who complain on this sub (or perhaps in general?) are picky, misogynistic, unkind, and now also lazy. It's easier to dismiss someone's points if you see him or her as a bad person. Maybe. I'm not sure. Procrastination and laziness are too different in kind for me to view them on the same spectrum. Though that just comes down to me having a different conception of laziness than…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:44 PM
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Aha, I see. Then I think your perspective is much more sympathetic. I apologize for grouping you in the same category as OP. Because she is, in my opinion, clearly communicating a moral condemnation in her post. When I hear "laziness", I think of "sloth" (you know, one of the seven deadly sins). Basically someone who doesn't care about his or her duties or obligations, never amounts to anything, and just sits around all day doing nothing. I bet this is how most people interpret the term. Yeah I …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:21 PM
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It's both, right? You might, for example, feel incapable of doing something so you refuse to even try. The difference mainly comes from the observer, I think. You can take your and OP's view, and call someone lazy for not doing the work you have done, or you can take a more compassionate approach towards someone who might be struggling. Chances are this person already thinks he's lazy piece of shit anyway. But in those moments you were refusing to work on your social skills. For all we know, we …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:23 PM
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Depression, anxiety, fear, neurodiversity. There are plenty of reasons why a man refuses to work on his social skills besides "laziness". People can get stuck in bad - even self-destructive - patterns in their lives, and calling them lazy is both unhelpful and inaccurate. I bet even you would share this view if this thread was about any other group than men you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:42 AM
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Yeah, this is just turning into a "nuh-uh" - "yuh-huh" exchange. None of us is going to budge on the issue so it's better to stop here. One last question: is my perspective here misogynistic in your opinion? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:41 PM
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That's not what I'm talking about. It's the idea that men have to demonstrate their worth while women have inherent value. You know, how men are viewed as disposable. A woman like that might be seen as a bitch (though in 2026 that's not really the case either), but she won't be seen as a failure. Sure, I do that too. But this is about the societal picture of what a loser is. The closest you can get to a female loser is probably a "cat lady". Like I said, it's the same with the word "slut". Or is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:10 PM
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Not really. A woman who isn't agreeable and complacent hasn't "failed" in the same way, because she still has (by society's standards) inherent value in being a woman. I'm sure you can find some men who "hate" being called sluts as well. But let's be honest here, when we hear the word "loser", we all picture a man. I can spell out the characteristics of that individual if you want. You know what I'm talking about. Just as there is evidence that women don't negotiate and demand these things as we…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:41 PM
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Sneaky. But I was responding to this specifically: It couldn't be because they've been more encouraged to do that kind of thing their whole lives or anything, could it? That's because men's value in society comes from our performance. Men are not simply "encouraged" to be this way. It is demanded of men. It's about as potent as calling a man a slut. You can do it, but it's not really hitting when you call a woman a loser. And I know you know this. Women may have tried. Or they saw the numbers an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:27 PM
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In a way, yes. Because unlike women, men's value comes from their performance - not their existence. It's why "loser" is a gendered (male) term. Sure, it could backfire. It could also be a cop-out, so that you can blame the system instead of yourself. Isn't that what you guys accuse men on this sub of doing? I'm talking about raises, promotions and bonuses as well, like you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:09 PM
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That's because men are more willing to negotiate and demand higher wages for themselves. Women score higher on agreeableness than men do and are less confrontational. It's actually very similar to the dating situation, where you would point out that men will have to work to make themselves more attractive if they want to attract women. Similarly, women have to work to make themselves better at negotiating salaries if they want to be paid more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:53 PM
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Out of curiosity, how do you feel about the fact that there are plenty of men with views similar to Financial-Result-502 who easily get both sex and relationships with women, while your brother who is kind and respectful struggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:04 PM
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At the same time, women are usually more exposed to men's perspectives. Through media, conversations, advice. It's everywhere. What's your evidence for this? Saying that "it's everywhere", I'm not sure if that's actually true or it's just your perspective as someone who posts on PPD. Men's problems are almost exclusively subsumed under intergender issues like poverty, healthcare etc. Women usually have their own dedicated political agendas, at least in left-leaning governments. So women are expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:57 AM
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I honestly don't know what it means for a word to be "loud". I assume you mean it was an exaggeration or a ragebait title. I think it does matter. Because if it's just a common occurrence, not an absolute statement, we land on what I've written below. The responses can assume a likely reason, not an absolute 100 % predetermined reason. Who determines if it's a possibility? I'd argue your attractiveness being the reason is always a possibility in these cases. This is a problem when we talk about …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:56 AM
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One of the rules for making a ”debate” post on this forum is being open to having your view challenged. So before I get into my response, I’d like to ask what it would take to change your mind on this topic. Did you even consider this before making the post? Firstly, who is the victim in this scenario? You thought the term ”victim blaming” was important enough to use in the post’s title, so I would like to know who is being victimized. Secondly, is it possible that the people you’re referring to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:54 PM
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Unsurprisingly, OP didn't respond to this comment. To add to your point (which is already well made), notice how OP views men's protection as illegitimate because it's "tied to pay, pressure, or obligation". Meanwhile, women's motivations for "caregiving, volunteering, teaching, healthcare" are that "someone had to do it". That is both a pressure and an obligation. Seems like protection is, according to OP, "often" (using weasel words to avoid having to provide actual evidence) conditional for b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:48 PM
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No, men are not confusing desire with effort - they're "confusing" desire with... desire. A man can want sex for many reasons. Sometimes it’s genuine attraction. But it can also be convenience, boredom, curiosity, or simply that she is available and “she’ll do.” This is incorrect. There is always attraction there. Whether or not there is romantic attraction, however, is a separate thing. The issue isn't effort - it's disparate expectations. Men value sex higher than women do, regardless if the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:23 PM
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Not all men, of course, but a large chunk of them. As someone who has been groped a few (very few, to be completely honest) times by women (or had random women comment on my body), I can tell you that it always was a huge confidence boost and made me feel great. But I guess that makes me self-hating?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:34 PM
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It's not that we don't value ourselves as people - we simply value sex higher than you (women) do. Being called "stable", "reliable" etc is similar to when one of your female friends says "You're such a great guy - why don't you have a girlfriend?" It's probably difficult to relate to as a woman, since society sexualizes women to such an enormous degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:22 AM
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I think it's also an age thing. A single mother in her 20s will be a lot less attractive as a long-term partner to men her age than a woman in her 30s, and even more so in her 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:51 PM
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You have to think in terms of broader politics. The "Red Pill" idea originally meant taking the red pill about all of society, not just gender issues, but feminism today is about more than. You'd be hard-pressed to find a feminist political party that doesn't also support mass-immigration, T-ideology, "whiteness" critique, decolonialism etc. Very few redpillers would be on board with those policies and movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:59 PM
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So, we have regular sex, but sex for her is an expression of love and intimate connection rather than physical lust? Yeah that sounds fantastic. I’d pick that relationship. What I’m not interested in is a relationship where we have regular sex, and she enjoys it because she loves me, but there are other men that evoke carnal/lustful desire in her that I don’t evoke (since she considers me “average”) even if she would never cheat on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:02 AM
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Does “considers you fairly average” mean that she, as a person, just doesn’t care that much about looks to begin with? Or does it mean that my other qualities were better suited for her as a long-term partner, but she feels that “carnal desire” towards other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:03 AM
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My actual disability (a condition that has severely damaged my vision on one eye) is not really affecting my dating life at all. What's impaired my life much more is social anxiety. It has been really bad at times (including panic attacks in certain situations). Luckily, it only "triggers" in spaces with large groups of people. Interpersonally I don't really struggle with it. That said, dating apps were a blessing for me. People seem to hate them over here, but for me they've worked great. ...as…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:25 PM
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Being shy is an example of being socially awkward. To an extent, yes, but you even agreed with me at first. So no, we don't live in separate realities. I also don't think you disagree that there is a cultural expectation on men to be the one who takes initiative and be forward. But sure, being completely agnostic about the issue is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:54 PM
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I guess based on both a subjective and a (slightly more) objective perspective. Subjectively, in my own experience from being a man and interacting with men, I never hear men complaining about being turned off by a socially awkward woman (nor would it turn me off). More objectively, our society (I assume you live in the Western world - things might be different in other regions) literally has cultural models of the "cute, shy girl", and similarly has cultural expectations on the man being the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:19 PM
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Isn't it simpler to just compare preferences? Who do you think find social awkwardness more of a turn-off: men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:04 PM
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But at least you agree that being socially awkward hurts a man a lot more when it comes to dating than it does a woman? Or are you living in a complete separate reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:56 PM
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You're skipping past the point. The socially awkward man will have a much lower chance of finding a female partner than a socially awkward woman has of finding a male partner. The point is that if "the bar is on the floor" is true, then it's true for women - not for men. Surely you agree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:45 PM
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Also, did we forget about testosterone? Apparently, yes. At least if you read the comments in this thread... People still seem to believe males and females have similarly strong sex drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:47 PM
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There is no inconsistency. It's just your own cognitive dissonance trying to rectify itself. Since racism is a stronger moral offence in today's society than misogyny, we find ourselves in this fascinating (and sad) situation where some women will prefer their own victimization to being viewed as racists. Personally, I have no problem with women viewing men as violent and potential predators, as long as they're also opposed to mass immigration of men from countries where gender-based violence is…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:34 PM
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I disagree. Most of those attributes you listed sound highly subjective to me, besides maybe "bubbly" and "flirtatious". But neither of them exclude a person from being boring, in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for clarifying. It seems you and I have vastly different life experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:44 AM
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I’m a little confused. What does “boring“ mean here exactly? And how does it make sense to call yourself boring?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:24 AM
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Cool. Your perspective seems entirely reasonable to me. What advice/prescription would you give the men you're talking about? How could we (myself included) recognize this bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:48 PM
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Alright. One question though: By "we", do you mean this particular subreddit or broader society?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:54 PM
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Is this déjà vu? I'm sure I responded to a similar thread just a day or two ago... Anyway, I think your broader point is 100 % correct - men do have in-group bias, same as any other group. And while your point about male competence is undoubtedly true in some cases, I think a simpler explanation is that it's easier for us to empathize with experiences we can directly relate to. For example, I can't relate to a woman's experience about not wanting to be seen as a sex object. But I can relate to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:34 PM
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The second of your two parts I agree with. I’ve not seen much actual misandry on this sub (there are other subs where you can definitely find some, though). The first part I’m having some trouble understanding. But maybe you’re simply referring to examples like the one below: So if this is common for men to feel that way, why wouldn’t women generally see male sexuality as disgusting if it implied to be inherently exploitative and humiliating? True. One could ask: if a woman having sex with a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:12 AM
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Yeah, I actually completely agree with this. I always pay for the first date(s) because it's more convenient. If paying for a coffee or a movie ticket means I'm being used for my resources, then so be it I guess. In my experience, a few dates down the line, the woman I'm dating will also insist on paying for the dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:50 PM
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Yes, you're largely correct. Though I don't think the majority of men (including the ones your post refers to) believe men are wonderful. They're simply biased in favour of their own group, and will deflect criticism from men onto women, because they believe men, by and large, have it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:26 PM
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On apps, I swipe on the rare profiles that evoke even the slightest flicker of interest Could you expand a bit on what made those profiles (slightly) interesting? I'm genuinely curious. I think you're right though. Ironically enough, dating apps appeal more to typical male forms of attraction than typical female ones. Personally, I vastly prefer dating apps to chatting up women at bars etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:18 AM
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It's not necessarily overplayed, but the default framing is the female perspective, making it so that the woman in the situation is always correct. And since women are still seen as the victimized of the two sexes in society, questioning this is a form of oppression. So we're stuck with this narrative where men don't "pull their weight" because they're bad people, misogynists, and/or manchildren who expect women to do all the work for them. The other side of this, however, is that women also sco…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:47 PM
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More like: stay and put up with the shit that comes with dating as a man, because being lonely is worse. Not entirely sure how to respond to the other part. Everyone suffers in some way, but we suffer in different ways. Or do you tell someone who, for example, is complaining about their working conditions: "There are people struggling with terminal cancer - share in their humanity, bro"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:24 PM
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Thanks for sharing that perspective. It's radically different from my own experience, but it's nice to confirm that humans are indeed varied and complex beings. I see your point and honestly, the world would probably be a better place if you were right. Unfortunately, it is actually the raw sexual experience that arouses me, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of men (likely the majority) agree. I've banged a few prostitutes, and I fantasize about those experiences as well, despite being under no il…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:15 PM
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Pretty much. Stay and suffer, or be lonely and suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:43 PM
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I mostly agree. Except for this point: I can understand first date, you check for that, but if you don't find that pleasure you simply leave. It's easy to tell someone to "simply leave" when you're a person with a lot of options. If the alternative is (romantic and sexual) celibacy, which it is for many men, I can't really blame them for sticking to it despite not enjoying it that much. And I do think that warrants at least some sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:40 PM
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That's really interesting. I can only speak from my own experience, of course, but if any of my past girlfriends would have suggested we not have sex and instead focus on affection, validation and support, I would have ended that relationship quickly. It sounds miserable, to be honest. Right, I see what you're saying now. I agree with you. I thought the OP hinted at that by saying: "Even though Maslow meant for the base tier’s 'sexual reproduction' to be about a species-level survival need, a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:36 PM
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Did those men, in your experience, begin masturbating less frequently as well? Because one complaint I've read by women is how their male partners sexualize every intimate situation to the point where they start feeling disgusted by them. Could it be that the men in your experience don't want sex less, but rather that they don't want to make you feel uncomfortable? Your last part about sex vs ejaculation I think is true though. But I don't think it changes OP's point any significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:06 PM
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Some late answers because I enjoyed reading this thread: When you are intimate with a woman, do you have to tell her to touch your penis? If so, what percent of the time would you say this happens? Yes. Probably around 50-60 % of the time. Especially the first woman I had sex with (my first girlfriend) expected me to get hard (and stay hard) from eating her out, and she would get annoyed with me when I wasn't. When you receive oral sex, did you have to verbally and explicitly request it? How oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:33 AM
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I just have to comment on how fascinating it is to see two women make this (very reasonable) argument against a "red pill man", who I thought claim to be the side of "science and logic". I think you're 100 % correct in your analysis, and there are decades of data to back you up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:38 PM
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Again, if most men actually had agency over sexual choice, they’d be having a lot more sex with many more women, there would be no rape, and every man would be sexually fulfilled. I was with you up to this point. There are plenty of rapists who would have raped women regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:03 PM
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But in that situation, I would be getting myself off as well. Sure, I'm pleasing her, but she is pleasing me at the same time. She would still be in the submissive position, being the one taking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:34 AM
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Because it isn't true. The men you're talking about would gladly date a dorky, awkward, "mid" woman. The point is that a woman can get away with being awkward and dorky - even having low confidence and social anxiety - she would still find a man who wants to date her. For a man, those attributes make dating much more difficult, hence OP's comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:12 PM
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If men has to perform that and they are not interested and have their motives to fake it i have 0 empathy for that. I don't mean perform as in "performative" - I mean it as "living up to expectation". Or, put more plainly, to "not be a loser". I'm reminded of the book "Self Made Man" - a true story about a lesbian woman's experience disguising herself as a man and living as a man for over a year. She described going on dates with women as "gruelling", where she found herself in a dynamic where s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:31 PM
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I'm in an MRA mood today, so let's argue. They laugh when women say they want some spark and emotional connection. They (we?) don't laugh at it. We criticize it (or complain about it, depending on your perspective). The "spark" is more of an expectation of men to perform, which we're already expected to by society at large. They don't want to date fat women, they don't want single mothers... Eh… Some men do, yes, but most men don't have those standards. Just look around you, and you'll find plen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:04 PM
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I understand why many men would feel uneasy in that situation, because it is indeed common to treat men as ATMs in our society. This comparison doesn't work since a woman, in the same position, would also be uncomfortable about a man hyperfocusing on her income and possessions. And about the threat of violence, are you saying that in a world where those depictions of rape and pain did not exist, women would be just as excited about receiving sexual comments as men are? I don't buy it. I think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:33 PM
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