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Some comforting data for all the men here. Suicides rates have risen most amongst teenage girls/young women in the Netherlands. Yeah, you're not offering a good faith criticism, you stumbled on here, are seeing a growing backlash to something that you consider a core part of your personality, and it scares you shitless, so you lash out and try to paint us as lunatics who cheer for the death of young girls. You can, and I mean this from the very bottom of my heart, go fuck yourself. I can transla…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 07:28 PM
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Ah I'm sorry to hear that. I had a miserable night the other day, too. Like pacing in circles and pulling my hair out kind of fucked up. If you wanna talk about stuff, DM me whatever. I know what it looks like from the bottom of the hole man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 06:19 AM
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How're you doing bud? I'm not poking you for a response, I just see you around and you say you're tired a lot. I hope you're doing okay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 06:10 AM
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Oh you too huh? I made a comment saying it would be difficult to link the decay of civil clubs and societies for men to patriarchy specifically, because patriarchy was more entrenched in the 20th century, a time when those kinds of clubs were far more numerous. The trendline is exactly reversed. I offered up an alternative, non-ideological explanation, that it constituted a basic social neglect, a turn to thinking these kinds of things just weren't that necessary or important. Comment got ~50 up…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 09:50 PM
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I see people making this argument in earnest on places like askaliberal or politics. Maybe I should just mentally index them as bots. Because you're totally right. Troll logic is exactly what it is and how it aims to function. I remember shit like that from circa 2010s 4chan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 04:57 AM
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Absolutely. Feminism asks men to examine themselves in this regard; it never instructs women to. Power contours people in predictable ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 04:48 AM
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The world deserves its angry young men. I would like to build a left turn lane, but I certainly won't be installing any brakes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 12:00 PM
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I call women sluts not because I have any problem with female promiscuity, but because women take it to be an insult. If you think about it, the operant force is really the woman's own internalized misogyny, because only a misogynist would think that being a slut could be a bad thing. A well-adjusted woman who's done the work and isn't pathologically insecure would not be able to take offense. The only women who take offense at being called sluts are misogynists. QED.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 06:53 AM
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Jumping on to pass my appreciation to the mod team. You have a very unique online space here, and I appreciate the diligence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 02:27 AM
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Wow what a concept I could use a little fuel myself and we could all use a little chaaaange
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 11:51 PM
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You ain't gotta apologize man it's all copacetic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 03:28 AM
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Nobody is responsible for the epidemic, these are very broad scale, population level technological and socioeconomic forces that are acting globally. The concept of "blame" with regards to its origin doesn't even make sense. Where we have responsibility is what, if anything, is to be done about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 07:43 PM
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Your work is absolutely fascinating, and I'm jealous, because over here the MD is a graduate program. I'm older than you and I'm still not even out. I agree with much of what you've said, we can quibble about the epistemology but it's not that important. What is important is that you very clearly demonstrate that you value men as your peers with legitimate epistemological resources to contribute to the conversation. That is sufficient. As long as we hold that mutually, we will get to where we wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 12:07 AM
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Yes, thankfully.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 10:45 PM
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Yeah, this is exactly what I feel like I’ve told men a hundred times already. So I feel like I hear myself talking here. I told my own partner a 100 times. But I’ll be honest: sometimes I start doubting myself when I do see people who explicitly identify as feminists (even on this subreddit) making statements like “men harm women through emotional labour” or “women are better off without men”. I see the effect this has very directly. My partner is leftist, thoughtful, non-violent and genuinely e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 07:09 AM
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The right is traditional, which represses both men and women in particular ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 01:06 AM
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You're describing the experience of epistemic injustice, that idea that their ideas about what you are and what you are motivated by are more real than your own, in spite of and in the direct face of the fact that you are the only one with actual access to the actual knowledge required to answer the question. It is, supremely ironically, exactly what all the progressive identitarian movements are out to fight against. The queer movement is about the self-authorship of what it means to be queer i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 12:06 AM
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Internal critique. Notably, not from the people actually subjected to its policies. Don't you think it's kind of a problem that this movement claims authority to assert real institutional power in the lives of men, and yet is completely unaccountable to them? Does that strike you as a sustainable dynamic? Or even an ethical one? Why is it that we can recognize that institutions accountable only to their own internal politics are abusive and predatory elsewhere, like with the police, but pretend …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 11:42 PM
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For what it's worth my friend is married to a trans man and he told me essentially the same story. He told me he thought men were bad and wanting to be something bad caused him to hate himself for a long time. Put off transitioning for like 5 years. Shit was wild. I remember thinking like "oh this has metastasized, this is now a problem."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 11:36 AM
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Feminism is to gender equality in the exact same way that stalinism is to workers rights. You have the concept, and then the attempt to realize it. They're distinct things. I can oppose stalinism and still support workers rights. Once you appreciate this, it becomes very simple to criticize feminism as insufficient while remaining committed to gender equality. That's what makes us left wing MRAs and not right wing MRAs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 02:08 AM
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It's a left wing sub; it isn't a feminist sub. Much like how /progressiveHQ is a left wing sub but not a communist sub. The fact that it isn't communist doesn't mean it isn't left. Does that help?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 01:48 AM
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Don't even get me started. I wanted men's issues in on the ground floor of the progressive wave in the late 00s/early 10s, the most hetero-optimistic and pro-social cohort of men on record, what an opportunity for real solidarity! And every time, some new contrivance about how now's "just not the time, maybe later," + "well I just don't see it that way," even as things continued to get worse for men, even as the data became more and more undeniable. And now as the country takes another conservat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 11:51 PM
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You can also watch it happening in real time with American Protestantism. Evangelicals are the most successful group of American Protestants still standing, and it's because evangelicalism is the branch of American Protestantism that is most focused on evangelizing, eg, reproducing itself, above all other values. To evangelicals, the work of Christianity is primarily to make more Christians. People think the evangelicals got big. It's not entirely true. The other denominations are just largely d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 01:09 PM
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Most of the men I interviewed started out as liberals. Some still are. But to feel the weight of society’s disfavor can be disorienting. We millennials were true believers in race and gender-blind meritocracy, which for all its faults—its naïveté about human nature, its optimism in the American Dream—was far superior to what replaced it. And to see that vision so spectacularly betrayed has engendered a skepticism toward the entire liberal project that won't soon disappear Crushed it. I really do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 05:43 AM
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Because feminism violates egalitarianism right off the hop with its epistemology and how it creates legitimized knowledge. Feminism takes a two person experience, ignores the second perspective, and puts forth the positively quant notion of "why yes, it is possible to define a shared experience without a shared perspective, because standpoint theory says my perspective is just that fuckin ontologically special." You can get to egalitarianism through feminism, but feminism is not egalitarian and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 01:19 AM
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The conclusion you get pushed to accepting is that "solidarity is not coming and equity is a fraud. The morality of the situation is pure self-interest." Which is a very threatening conclusion for the left, if enough people arrive at it. And more do. Every year.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/25 08:34 PM
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To the extent to which it happens purposefully: the motivation is to monopolize as much funding as possible for women, and you can't make someone care about something that their job depends on them not caring about. It's why women's shelters protest men's shelters opening; they're threats to funding, and they lose nothing in PR for it because nobody gives a shit. Which is a status quo the movement helps to perpetuate by continuing to privilege the type of violence that happens to women over and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/25 04:48 AM
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Respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/25 11:19 PM
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Like I am not asking to excuse their hatred and crimes.. I am literally encouraging people to dig deeper, inside the backgrounds, childhood, and take necessary steps to prevent future man boys becoming violent or hateful... And that's why I have no problem calling the left sexist on this axis, because the left has zero issues whatsoever going for the deep dive, systemic explanation exactly everywhere except here. The systemic lens is so entrenched that it's the first place we on the left go for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/25 11:16 PM
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It is interesting to see where people insist proximity to a subject makes one informed, and where they insist it makes them biased. It is interesting that they think it’s their call to make. Banger
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 12:29 AM
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How are women the ball when they also benefit from the exploitation of men? You have to integrate women as real social actors with interests, not some inert object that's only ever acted upon. Women do, in fact, benefit from securing male investment in society. That is indeed an interest. It's in group people vs out group men and women. It's a hegemony of heteronormativity, not a patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/25 06:57 PM
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Hope you're doing better man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/25 01:57 PM
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Well it's left wing male advocates, and if there's something the left wing is absolutely obsessed with, it's the primacy of language.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 11:01 AM
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Because I'm on the left and am invested in it representing an honest egalitarian movement. My criticism of feminism and progressive models of gender equality and equity more broadly isn't that they're not traditional, it's that they're insufficiently egalitarian. Right wing subs push traditionalism, left wing subs push Women's Equality, and MensLib always sides with feminism when feminism and men's testimony come into conflict. There's not another space like this one, at least in explicit scope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 09:55 PM
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Because it gave me and my friends a mental illness when we were teenagers and we regard it as an institution abusive to boys. Because y'all have been awful allies for fifty years. But most importantly, because it's monumentally shit at being an equality movement, and as someone actually interested in achieving actual gender equality, I would like to marginalize it so I can replace it with something better fit for purpose than a 19th century zombie ideology possessed by the positively quaint noti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 11:06 AM
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This is a fantastic criticism and is ultimately why I'm stridently opposed to feminism and not just feminist solutions (but not a conceptualization of gender equity from their native perspective, just specifically not this ideology). Their entire meta-narrative that they use as their mythos is deeply hateful. 99% of men and women for 99% of human history lived face down in the dirt as gatherers, nomads, or subsistence farmers cooperating to survive. Taking that story and bending it into a story …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 09:06 PM
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That just seems like a terminal inability to consider reality from anything other than your own perspective, having to constantly reframe everything through increasingly convoluted forms of ever recursive misogyny, because you have spent so long navel gazing through your own lens that you think it's the only one that exists. Which is really the grand irony of feminism, it demands solidarity and understanding for the female condition, but offers none of its own and is dogmatically mono-perspectiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 10:08 PM
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Based and solidaritypilled
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/25 04:20 PM
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What we should try to understand is that perspective shapes how people can communicate with each other. If I understand you primarily from the perspective of a threat narrative, then the only way you can communicate with me is through threat, it's presence or absence. If you speak in justice, I will stare at you blankly, except to note that you don't appear threatening. If you speak in threats, I will pay a lot of attention to you, because that is the primary way I understand you. Warren Farrell…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 07:42 PM
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It's more insincere egalitarianism, because what they expressly do not mean is "create your own movement of the same substance as feminism," because that would be a men's movement that centralizes men and is entirely unconcerned with how what any of it does impacts women, and they do not want that, even if you point out that surely what's good for the goose must be good for the gander. What they want is for men to organize a movement and for feminists to have the final say on whatever the framew…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 07:24 PM
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Good to remind ourselves that individuals aren't averages.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 06:49 PM
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That's when it jumped the shark for me, and I'm not even black. That was total horseshit. Some fucking way to treat some of the left's most reliable allies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/25 01:00 AM
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But given the unreasonable nature of 3rd & 4th Wave feminism's derision of the male gender, and its outcomes-demographic suicide, destruction of the nuclear family, rational progress in the sciences enslaved to feminist dogma, weaponized courts & HR...seems not a good idea to "forget the past." That is step six or seven. We are on step zero, admitting there's a problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 02:57 PM
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I think it's pretty hard to feel inferior to a bunch of people who are choosing to remove themselves from the gene pool and jacking off to how awesome that makes them. Like it's just a weird flex, right
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 01:47 PM
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I buy that. My sister is very, uh, toxically masculine. If she were a dude, she'd be a total chud. I remember one time, she had her friend and her friend's friend over, with whom she'd gone on like two dates with the year before. Everything was chill. We broke out the edibles and put a movie on. She gave him a 50mg while she stayed sober, and then once he was high just systematically humiliated him in front of us. It was disgusting. What was his sin? He made an excuse about why he didn't want to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 12:23 AM
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They find more misogyny than misandry because they control what the terms mean; finding more misogyny is predetermined. They do this all over the place, instrumentalize definitions and categories for purpose. The police investigated themselves and found no wrong doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/25 04:56 AM
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It's particularly insidious because the implication is that men run a system where they give each other a leg up. The men who are at the top are there because they exploit the men under them. They don't advantage them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 10:39 PM
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As a young millennial coming of age in the late 00s/early 10s, this is what it was like to talk to my female peers about gender at that time, before pop tumblr feminism broke containment onto Twitter and made misandry an aesthetic. I remember talking to my female friends when I was like 17, and them telling me about what they'd noticed about being raised as a girl, and going, "wow that's crazy I hadn't thought of that." And then I told them the things I'd noticed about being raised as a boy, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 08:19 PM
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>See thread on bropill about how no one is liberated until everyone's liberated >Click >"Men are the enemy, because they're the oppressor class" That's nice. I can't vote for this shit anymore. I'm tapped out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 06:24 PM
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However I’ve seen studies in Europe where improving access and cost of childcare did not budge the birth rate and Israel has the highest birth rate in the OECD. That’s what’s bringing me back to this idea of shared culture and purpose…but I dunno if the western world would absolutely balk at that since we’ve been marching down the path of focusing on the individual for so long. I think you're on the right track. I think the West more broadly has been in a slow moving crisis of modernity since th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/25 06:51 AM
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Trying to learn masculinity and self worth from an influencer is like trying to eat dinner by watching a cooking video. You can only get that from real life experiences. Putting the Internet's version of gender metaphysics into his head is just going to derange him, as it has so many others. The absolute best thing you could do for your nephew would be to help him put down his screens and cultivate a healthy social life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/25 05:36 AM
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It's funny because it's a book that came out twenty years ago and is still considered cutting edge, which just kind of sums it up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/25 05:09 AM
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They can't? I'm watching them do it right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/25 08:25 PM
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Same shit different day
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 03:07 AM
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Same. First day of med school, the instructor told us that the cadavers were graciously donated and if we did anything disrespectful, or were to take any tissue from the lab, he would make it his life mission to get us expelled and blacklisted from the entire field.
/r/MensRights06/03/25 08:47 PM
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If you've ever read Nietzsche, this is an example of slave morality in action.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 03:35 AM
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That's the point. If you find that demoralizing, or alienating, or in any other way psychically injurious, that is the point. That is what online social action looks like and is designed for. The problem is men like you and me thinking this is an ignorance, or an error, and if people could just see the consequence then they'd correct themselves. It isn't. There's nothing to correct. The consequence is proper. If you are convinced of patriarchal realism, but you are dispossessed of real power, th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 03:00 AM
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Autonomous women making independent choices about their lives shouldn't be entitled to men financing their decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:31 AM
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What an odd thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:58 PM
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Same thing with bisexuality. As a bisexual man, no, absolutely not. I've had that conversation with multiple female romantic partners and it has gone well for me exactly never. Since I date monogamously I don't even disclose it anymore. I can only hear "I just can't see you the same way now" so many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:52 PM
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One of my favorite quotes: It's odd where people will claim that proximity to a subject makes them biased versus where it makes them informed. It's odd that they think they get to decide.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:38 PM
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Same. I'm 31, have had good success in my professional life, succeeded at what I was trying to succeed at, but I'm miserable because the only thing I've ever actually wanted to be is a husband and a father. I'd rather be poor and in love with a family than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:31 PM
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A family.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:23 PM
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Women don't date exclusively up, they date laterally and up. Men date laterally and down. Equalizing universities and tackling inequality would absolutely help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 07:05 PM
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Dude thinks history works by the transitive property
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:07 PM
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Sure it can, it just doubly legitimizes their overreach. Not only are they fighting a dragon, but they are a rightful hero fighting a dragon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 11:38 PM
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My sister knows I've been physically abused, she's never like... asked me about it though. I feel this so hard. I've been in really bad places, and the women in my life will ask me if I'm okay, and I'll say no, and that's...that's it. They don't ask me any questions. They don't try to engage me, or extend compassion. It's just like this elephant in the room that we pretend is invisible and I have to snap back into Man Mode because being broken makes them uncomfortable. Like I was in a doom spira…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 11:25 PM
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This is such a cathartic video, thanks for posting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 10:13 PM
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Yes, I had the same thought. When people stop believing politics is an avenue for actual visible change they will stop treating it like one. This is a very bad omen. Probably under discussed is that the legislative branch is utterly dysfunctional and has been for like 30 years now, which is driving the scope creep of the executive and now the intense partisanship of the judicial to try to compensate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/24 05:02 AM
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If feminists want men to step outside of the masculine box without examining and acknowledging the very real ways society punishes men who step outside of the masculine box, then the only thing they will achieve is a small uptick in the male suicide rate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 04:20 PM
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That's crazy man. Reminds me of Portugal during BLM. They had their own incident where a white cop essentially executed an African, and nobody cared. But then BLM kicked off in the States and they had marches in Lisbon. It was surreal. You can barely blame the Americans for acting so self-important at this point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 03:51 PM
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Social trust has been deteriorating for two or three decades. Democracy in retreat is an inevitable consequence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 03:26 PM
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I'm a career Democrat in a swing state that went for Biden in 2020 and Trump in 24. I agree with him. I think we're losing a percentage of the male vote for no good reason and that we could claw back like 5% of it with very little effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:57 AM
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I have no idea what these other guys are talking about. These are the relevant issues https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/17/harris-campaign-strategy-men-00184062
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:20 AM
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but I don't whine about it. Why? B/c I know they aren't aimed at me as I didn't vote for him. I just disagree with this on principle, though, and so I disagree with it no matter who's the speaker and who's the target. I think legitimizing reckless rhetoric by putting the onus on the listener to just not get offended, is a bad thing. It creates room for innuendo and stereotype. If you are going to open your mouth, say what you mean, precisely. That's just being responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:12 AM
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Same, I much prefer this sub. Mensrights has a lot of angry reactionaries and it just drags the conversation down.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 09:45 PM
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Spoken like someone who just got dumped. Go put some Beyonce on, you'll be alright.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 12:12 PM
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Probably, but MAGA Republicanism is so unsavory to their base it's not like they would lose them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 11:50 AM
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Yes but you see Netanyahu is male so by the transitive property it's your own fault, or something
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 11:39 PM
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The chubby lady looks and sounds almost exactly like a friend I had in undergrad. She was a fuckin riot, I should text her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 09:39 PM
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This is a question I've always asked my girlfriends, going back to high school, when did you first realize the world was going to treat you differently. The answers are not happy. My girlfriend was 15 when some old dude in a McDonald's came up to her and offered her $1,000 an hour to spend the weekend at his cabin.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 05:02 AM
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I'm going to make a controversial statement. I have no evidence for this, but it's something I suspect. I think there's more men that internalize these ideas in a self-destructive way than there is women who have any interest in actually having the men closest to them internalize these ideas. I resemble this comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 04:38 AM
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I thought white women were a misandric demographic and then I spent some time on black girly Twitter and holy moly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 04:27 AM
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Why is this downvoted
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 04:20 AM
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It's funny because it's objectively misogyny. Women are people, and people are liars.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 09:21 PM
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I accidentally listened to the whole thing. Fascinating. Dude's smart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 05:10 AM
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Where Can Men Go to Become Better Men? Fuck off
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/24 08:23 PM
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You're making a lot of assumptions about my endorsements of these things, and my character, as if the world and the box I've been placed in it and how I was socialized is the way I think it ought to be. I asked you a genuine question about how you think these things interesect, I don't know why you feel it necessary to pull a knife on me. This is not manhood. This is a sign of being a gang member. Going all the way back to the warrior classes; a bunch of rapey pedophilic, degenerates. Do you thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/24 05:13 AM
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Where does the willingness and capability to engage in physical violence fit in with your conception of manhood? What you are saying are things I've already thought, and yet I'm fairly confident I exist in manhood because I subscribe to some remnant of honor culture and I will and have engaged in violence when those lines are crossed. This to me is ultimately what manhood distills into at its very core, presence in and command of the physical space. These things are off-limits to women, they can…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/24 02:43 AM
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Men ought not be concerned bout, nor really have a say in, if or when to have kids. That, after all, is something only a woman ought choose. How would you criticize this idea? Dynamics? There are opportunities for men to change masculinity that are happening everywhere, sometimes led by transmen. And we need to make sure that it happens in a good way.’ I think "positive masculinity" is a trojan horse. It is not our friend. It's redemptive, not transformative. Another yoke. But why is it transmen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 06:53 AM
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I don't like this "thought experiment," it is a stupider response to an already stupid hypothetical. The point of the original, or at least, the reason it went so viral, was to try to knock men down a peg. The dehumanization was the point. That women fear strange men is not a revelation. They tell us all the fucking time, but even if they didn't, you can pick it up implicitly by just existing as a man in society. "I would feel safer around the largest land predator on planet earth than you," isn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 03:18 AM
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The invocation of "structural and cultural basis" leads me to believe the real gripe lies somewhere past semantics and is into the ideological. Battered women versus female victims of domestic violence feels like a distinction without a difference unless you want to say something ideological about domestic violence. Even if I grant that it's semantic, the best fit motivation for retaining exclusive language at political gunpoint would be to preserve the grand narrative (hence appeals to social c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 08:35 AM
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They warn that the registration of this foundation in the terms in which it has been registered “can generate confusion in society since it appropriates concepts that are inherent to the gendered violence suffered by women and that, how should the Vice President know Second, it has a structural and cultural basis and is in no way comparable to the concept of domestic violence.” I want to walk off a bridge.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 07:21 AM
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2) I think that it can be healthy, even productive for male advocacy, to let men air their grievances without judgement. I do think men need a place to talk about the bullshit, and part of that is going to include a lot of clumsiness. But it needs to be pointed towards a conversation that is productive, that has a point. What I don't like, and I get a lot of pushback on this one, is venting. I don't think venting is actually good. It is by nature self-indulgent, and when venting is validated, it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 10:29 PM
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As an aside, I could listen to a black lady with a southern accent talk about shit all day long.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 12:12 AM
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I actually completely agree. What I specifically do not want is yet another tribalized interest group. I want to be collaborative. I want something that seeks to build a consensus. The alternative is prone to excess and othering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 06:09 AM
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I have less than zero issues with trans men talking about this kind of stuff. It is very easy for the cultural climate to dismiss us based on our cis and male identities and an order of magnitude more difficult to do the same to you. Shit, give me your measurements and I'll make you a crown and you can be the King of the Menfolk.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 03:12 AM
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Well yeah you committed the cardinal sin of labeling discrimination that affects men misandry and not just increasingly convoluted recursive misogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 03:03 AM
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They're not allies, they're just one of us. To be a man is to be treated as one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 03:00 AM
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I'm totally down with trans men, I don't say "trans men are men" because it feels self-evident even within the traditional modes of male gender expression, because masculinity isn't something you are, it's something you do. Femininity is an unstoppable and mysterious force of nature but masculinity is something to be earned or lost. And besides, women already wear tshirts and pants and running shoes and suits, they already use our restrooms when it's more convenient, they already play sports, th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 02:56 AM
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The idea that male suffering is due to toxic masculinity and patriarchal traditions is an absurd obfuscation of the fact that liberal misandry is precisely was is harming male psychology. I don't see this as an either/or. It is true that there are ways men and women manifest corrosive masculine gender norms, it is true that there are social pressures and impulses that color these norms and their expressions, and it is true that a response to male suffering and failure based on shame or bootstrap…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/24 04:52 AM
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that it's men's inherent tendency to dominate and abuse women I can't believe how often it's just taken as a given that this is the True Nature of Men. It's maddening, disheartening, deranged, and wildly offensive to the point of being dehumanizing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/24 09:05 AM
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I actually have an answer for this. You ask them some version of if they think women need men. In my experience, any normal, rational person answers this question with "yes," because it is self-evidently true. It may come with qualifiers, eg "women don't need men to be independent but on the balance yes, they do, because men offer something of intrinsic value just as women do." It is only people who have fallen so far down the gender war rabbit hole who can muster up the ideological boldness to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/24 12:28 AM
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Women report being happier than men while single, have a lower incidence of mental health crises after a breakup, and are less likely to kill themselves from being romantically isolated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:33 AM
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Now maybe there's some truth in that response, I'm kinda scared to say what I think of that response, Some? If we can't agree on the attention gap, can we agree on anything? Would she still be considered the same as a girl who just sleeps around with whoever? No, if the ugliest girl I know is pulling Timothee fuckin Chalamet every week I'm gonna give her credit for it but your hypothetical is so constrained that it doesn't actually say anything very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:25 AM
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In most western countries, the establishment is neoliberal with a progressive left flank.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:14 AM
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Women have a x4 stronger in-group bias than men and it really shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:12 AM
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Most of the movement is from more women voting left, not more men voting right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/24 05:16 AM
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Thank you for posting. I find it actually vile that history in this lens is taught as something men did to women, and not an emergent property used as a tool for survival in a hostile world. The intersexual relationship is intrinsically collaborative, not extractive. What an awful thing to teach young women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/24 11:27 AM
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Alright
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:26 PM
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I'm insane? That's how my checks notes fifth relationship ended. I don't even think this is at its core a gendered phenomenon, if I had the ability to mill a thousand women at the drop of a hat with some expectation of success the moment I felt momentarily dissatisfied in my relationships that would be an impulse I would have to restrain.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:15 PM
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I don't think the utility of online dating is finding guys who are DTF. It hasn't shown anything, it's just enabled the indulgence of the perfect life illusion, the perfect guy and the perfect life are always only a few more swipes away. If you take the romantic space, the part of it that includes "fantasy" has grown rapidly because it now exists parasocially in your pocket. It's like porn for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:48 PM
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The joke is that she's saying the quiet part out loud. You put 2 million horny guys in every woman's pocket, that's going to exert a gravity on things, and how could it not
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:05 PM
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your brain cells getting fried for no reason. Can't miss what you never had, cheers bro
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 04:56 PM
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Everyone has a poison. Mine's cocaine. That shit almost ruined my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 04:55 PM
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Fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:50 AM
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I should make my jokes more obvious ig
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 08:33 PM
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7, and I include moderate to heavy petting and particularly sultry glances in that number, but as many as 12 if the dicks were small enough. For best results, use the sum penile volume of all of her exes instead of just the number.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 01:26 PM
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You're never going to be fully ready This is true of basically everything and I found that out later than I should've
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 11:04 AM
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No we're far too retarded to be bots
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 04:10 AM
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Wait so do I drink out of my male tears or female tears mug
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 04:08 AM
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Real and communitypilled
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 04:06 AM
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But then that also has consequences with how we should try to approach understanding its history right. Maybe our history together should be approached as something we both survived, and not something men did to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:58 AM
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No it's fairly normative. It's game theory right. You want to maximize your number of wombs no matter what, and you want to attrit your sperm at the highest clip you can get away with. The problem we have as people is that our selection pressures aren't terrestrial, they're social and they change rapidly, sometimes even inside of a generation, which can make it feel like musical chairs meets guess who.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:47 AM
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It wasn't men's problem when you couldn't vote. It's not my problem that you're weaker than me. The only reason it's my problem if I wanted to force myself on you is that we have a civil and social structure that makes it my problem. If you want to run your society into the ground, sure, nothing is anybody's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:39 AM
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It's more than a sentiment it's just reality
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:31 AM
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Almost as if the nature of the intersexual relationship is collaboration and mutual responsibility 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:26 AM
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If the way you orient yourself to life and the world is with game theory, yes, do that. But worse than losing out on meaning with that model, you presuppose it doesn't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:23 AM
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You are on the money. One that springs to mind is vulnerability and emotional availability. I'm batting 50% on opening up to my female partners, half have supported me, half have reacted neutral or negative, and one dumped me literally the next time she saw me lol. Taking the masculine mask off is still a real risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:35 AM
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I've been plagiarized, you'll hear from my lawyer
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:11 AM
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We are approaching levels of basedness that shouldn't be possible
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 01:02 AM
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This but unironically
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 12:55 AM
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Nice, nice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 12:39 AM
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Did he do the tennis grunts when he hit the ball
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 12:34 AM
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Ok, if you don't have a metric to measure it, and therefore a metric to measure progress, how can you expect me to vote to subsidize women in perpetuity? Why would I do that? You are asking me for faith and not reason. If in 10 years you look at disparate health outcomes for women when women are overrepresented in the field and tell me it's because of internalized misogyny you need to prove that that's what it is to the exclusion of everything else. Because I no longer buy the misogyny shell gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 11:13 PM
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I'm also a Walmart customer so it's a self-burn really
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 11:03 PM
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I would expect any man to lose a fist fight to a girl. You would lose a lot of money at the casino. Such as? Ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 11:02 PM
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Beta is what I would characterize as what women perceive when they see a guy who loses a fist fight to a girl. That suite of emotions is what defines what beta is. I agree that how people, especially men, apply it to the world is generally braindead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 10:45 PM
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quantum physician "Is it cancer doc?" "I can't know until I cut you open."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 10:36 PM
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Cheated is the wrong word. More like disrespected.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 10:21 PM
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Real and buttpilled
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 10:12 PM
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I found the rare barber that cuts it better than the picture
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 10:11 PM
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Really good for indigestion
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 10:11 PM
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I'd be down with this if it didn't also seem like the broader cultural moment treats women misbehaving as failures of the human condition and men misbehaving as specifically male depravity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 09:51 PM
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This is what I was going to say, cultivated spaces create illusions of consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 09:34 PM
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Thanks, I've been told I am adorable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 08:32 PM
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Men feel anger as a normative emotion. It's only a problem if you don't do anything about it. That's why dudes treat "hit the gym" like a panacea to every problem. A lot of pathological guys indeed don't do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 08:29 PM
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True love is an emergent property, it's caused by more basal things underneath it, but, crucially, it isn't characterized by them. Your cells are made of things that aren't alive, but that doesn't mean the cell isn't alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 08:21 PM
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Agreed, they're too resentful to get anything through to them outside of a psychiatric practice. The boys we need to be targeting for empathy are just that, boys. You need a greater dialogue with 17-20 year olds. Stop the pipeline. it’s pushed off as wanting to turn men into bitches I think that's a clue. Pop sociology, which is the space this radicalization takes place in, has provided men a small novel of what they can't be, but almost nothing about what they can be, except behaviors that are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 07:16 PM
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First of all, casual sex is bad regardless if you are a man or woman. If men are naturally supposed to be leaders, why not hold the men choosing to sleep with Carol accountable as well? Other men don't decide which men you have sex with, and that's a good thing. Second of all, I'm someone with sensory issues and I can understand why someone would have preferences for the appearances of someone they date. I've worked with tons of very bitter single moms and bitter housewives who settled because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 07:11 PM
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I can’t tell if it’s a case of narcissism, and definitely an attention thing but they went off on me so hard and quoting me, then trying to proclaim I’m confusing them. That's a problem for their psychiatrist, "garbage" adequately describes their psychological profile feel so bad for the girlfriend too, cause like if I was her and (man or woman) was doing that to me, I’d flip. Screenshot the damning stuff, send it to her, and go ghost. People need to learn lessons sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 07:54 AM
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There's a pipeline they go down where they say they have problems and their life sucks, people tell them no it doesn't + shut the fuck up, and then Andrew Tate comes along and says you're right it does, you're a fucking loser, here's how you could be a badass, and then we pretend to be confused about how it happened. Honestly fixing young men wouldn't be that difficult. But nobody wants to deal with them, so nobody does. And I get it, they're generally miserable people, but this is a demographic…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 07:51 AM
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2011-2012, not close
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 07:21 AM
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Block and ghost, dude's garbage. Like… Why stalk me, why care if I delete you… If you … Have somebody? I don’t get it. Everybody likes attention, that's unisex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 07:19 AM
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But I'm not afraid of men as a category, I'm afraid of running into a crazy one, those aren't quite the same things. It's important to you that you don't feel threatened, it's important to me that you don't feel threatened by me, we have converging interests here right. Maybe if we had closer communities it would be harder for predators to hide, and then we could feel a little more comfortable with each other. Because I'll see a woman stuck in the rain sometimes and it feels bad that I know I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 05:43 AM
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That's retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 05:35 AM
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Been trying to get one of my teacher friends to do something similar. She's an extremely competent person and she makes a starvation wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 05:26 AM
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I can't even get it up for twitter anymore. Everything's so fake. It's like the whole site fails the Turing test.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 05:25 AM
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The ultimate antidote for this thought is Walmart. Go to Walmart, take a look around, and tell me with a straight face that only attractive people are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:17 AM
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Broadly agree, but there are things that women normatively like, and there are things that will not materially change who you are, and you should care about where these things overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:31 AM
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Fucking lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:18 AM
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The number of people who have the emotional capacity to have completely sanitized themselves of their prior partner in two weeks is vanishingly small.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:03 AM
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I thought I saw someone I knew from high school at the grocery store the other week and my first thought was "do I pretend I'm someone else" and my second thought was "what the fuck is wrong with you"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:31 PM
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Do you think women only talk about make-up and guys they find cute? 😂 No, you talk to them like they're men, which is what you should do, which is why telling men to talk to women like they're one of the guys is bad advice lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:28 PM
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Pickle juice is just Gatorade for people with class.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:18 PM
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Probably grief and consolation. Maybe it would be more accurate to say that interpersonal relationships are intimacy, and intimacy prisms into different actions. No contest on casual sex being emotionally deadened though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:17 PM
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I prefer the Quebecois model, the drinking age is just a suggestion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:10 PM
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It is cats
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:10 PM
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I don't pity failures of character. But I do take it as a signal that things aren't working very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:02 PM
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Because it's a fallacious way of thinking. I can't solve my problems without you, and you can't solve your problems without me. Women never would have gotten the vote if men didn't buy in. There is no "individual needs," and by treating it like that we are creating a zero sum game. If you're suffering, that is my business, I need to know that, because society doesn't just exist, it's built, everyday. I have a responsibility to you. I won't meet that responsibility if I only care about myself and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:35 PM
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And a majority of medical graduates are now women, so cross that one off the list, if the reason it exists is patriarchal it will resolve itself within a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:17 PM
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I don't want the government to address male loneliness, that's not the state's place. I want me and you, the culture, to do that. The state should be putting up guardrails to ensure equal treatment, but cultural problems should be addressed culturally, with initiative, education, and dialogue. We do have to live with each other. I do have a vested interest in your happiness. I don't know why we can't admit this. Maybe because it would be harder to pretend we don't have an actual responsibility t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:12 PM
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Yeah the comment sections are utterly deranged
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:15 PM
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If you had to make a guess on the demographics of this sub, what would it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:04 PM
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Joke's on you, I'm a 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 07:51 PM
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Beyond obnoxious, and distasteful while we're at it. But I also would have given a different answer about myself in that circumstance, and I think it's fine to explore why that might be. We could learn something about each other. My first thought about this is that they're cuts right, so some people say 10, some give an honest answer, some say go fuck yourself, and some walk away, and then they choose to show the 10 responses. But then in the comments the top responses are "I also say 10," so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:12 PM
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Men would have sex with most women. Date is something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:55 PM
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Because how attractive one is is something that people care about and I don't feel threatened by that. I think the disconnect comes from that for proportionally more women, attractiveness and self-worth intersect, which makes it a more loaded question than it is for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:35 PM
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Then why are you dating another person? That's not fair to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:33 PM
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