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No, women complain about the results of the decisions that women make. Men also complain about the results of decisions that women make.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:19 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:17 AM
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I agree, same when women date guys who treat them poorly, like 99% of their complains are bullshit and their own fault. People should just deal with their problems on their own without subjecting everyone else to complains about their own failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:00 PM
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I have the exact same relationship to women complaining about being used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:58 PM
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Help them understand that getting laid isn't important anyway Why do you use the word "understand" for an opinion? I don't like tomatoes, can I make other people "understand" that tomatoes are no good?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:55 PM
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Where do you have that data from?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:54 PM
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It's not hard, live cheap, put aside extra money into fonds. Happens effortlessly over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:52 PM
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Unless they are really thin, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:56 PM
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Which statistic are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:55 PM
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I mean death would be what finalizes it but ye
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:11 PM
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You didn't day anything about money, you spoke about education. A construction-worker with no education might very well earn more than a Juliard educated violinist. Why does it matter that she has no education?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:09 PM
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When my ex was mad because I spent to much time talking to her friend, and so I had to sleep on the couch, can I log that as eight hours of emotional knowledge?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/26 03:59 PM
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Do you think educated people are the only ones with value? Fwiw I am on track to be a millionaire before 40 and I have no education
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:41 PM
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Why wouldn't he?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:28 PM
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It's not legitimate criticism when you understand what feminism actually is; a collective bargaining coalition. Like, is a union viable for criticism if it values the betterment for their members above anything else? Of course not. Likewise criticism against feminism for pursuing female advantage at every stage and in every context is only legitimate if you by in to the idea of feminism as some special ideology that works for equality. People with the same political self interests band together …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 09:43 AM
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I have a right to gender equality. Or at least I claim it, as my government won't provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:41 PM
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Yes, the state have gradually started to dismantle these programs, which is great. Should be done instantly, but I am happy with the progress the blue government made during their last tenure on that matter. The return to a red government has made the progress halt a bit. This doesn't mean what you say, however. Women are not given more points because more fields are more male dominated; because more fields are female-dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:04 PM
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That’s not the case in legal parental surrender, which is just a thoughtless “oops, well I had fun, but I don’t wanna help out. Cya later chump!” It is not toughtless. Pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex; but as we see with sperm donors and indeed adoption, parenthood is a legal concept. A man opting not to raise a child is not leaving someone else with a child; instead he is providing information to a woman who is then able to decide, freely and with no interference from anyone, whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:00 PM
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What are you talking about? The article never says that, it says this; Women get gender points far more often than men do, despite being a majority in 48 studyprograms, compared to a male majority in only 8. Women are majority in far, far more fields than men, 48 programs have a female majority and 8 programs have male majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:46 PM
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No? Kvinner får altså i langt større grad enn mennene kjønnspoeng, til tross for at kvinnene var i flertall ved hele 48 studieprogram høsten 2014. Mennene utgjorde flertallet i bare åtte studieprogram, viser tall avisen har hentet inn fra Norsk samfunnsvitenskapelig datatjeneste. Women get gender points far more often than men do, despite being a majority in 48 studyprograms, compared to a male majority in only 8. Also Norway is frequently mentioned as a country women here (presumably often Amer…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:42 PM
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Det gis kjønnspoeng for menn ved 11 studier. Kjønnspoeng for kvinner gis ved 31 studier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:41 PM
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Hiring quotas
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:36 PM
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Not if those rights infringe on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:31 PM
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A sperm donor made a charitable donation with legal protections that ensure that the child he creates is cared for. This disproves the notion that sperm automatically means parenthood. How is it bigoted to want people to abandon children they made? I don’t think you know what the meaning of the word “bigot” means. You’re just throwing around words you think will silence me. No I am confronting you with your frothing hate of people born in a body like mine. You cannot biologically decide that wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:29 PM
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It's Norwegian.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:11 PM
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https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/i/KMRgq6/naa-blir-det-slutt-paa-favoriseringen-av-kvinner-kanskje https://www.khrono.no/langt-faerre-studier-med-kjonnspoeng-fra-123-til-42/765543
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:09 PM
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https://www.utdanningsnytt.no/hoyere-utdanning/kvinner-far-oftere-kjonnspoeng-enn-menn/189188
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:08 PM
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Kjønnspoeng er tilleggspoeng som teller ved opptak til høyere utdanning. Det gis i dag to ekstrapoeng på enkelte studier der mannlige eller kvinnelige søkere er underrepresentert. Mens menn bare får denne typen tilleggspoeng når de søker om opptak til de kvinnedominerte studieretningene dyrepleie og veterinærstudier ved Norges miljø- og biovitenskapelige universitet på Ås, er det langt flere kjønnspoeng å hente for kvinner, skriver Aftenposten. Kvinner får disse tilleggspoengene ved de fleste ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:07 PM
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A man gets an average grade of 5,4. A woman gets an average grade of 5,3. The man has performed better and should be awared the study place. But then the university says "oh no, she's a woman, she gets extra points". Her average grade is 5,3 + 0,4 for being a woman equals 5,7. Now she's suddenly the candidate that gets accepted. Is this justice for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:06 PM
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https://www.utdanningsnytt.no/hoyere-utdanning/kvinner-far-oftere-kjonnspoeng-enn-menn/189188 Kjønnspoeng er tilleggspoeng som teller ved opptak til høyere utdanning. Det gis i dag to ekstrapoeng på enkelte studier der mannlige eller kvinnelige søkere er underrepresentert. Mens menn bare får denne typen tilleggspoeng når de søker om opptak til de kvinnedominerte studieretningene dyrepleie og veterinærstudier ved Norges miljø- og biovitenskapelige universitet på Ås, er det langt flere kjønnspoeng…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:04 PM
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What was needed was for trading to be equal and sortation to be fair. Instead, women get better grades for the same performance, and then get extra admittance points for being women, before finally being given prestigious jobs over more qualified candidates. This infringes on my right to be evaluated fairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:39 PM
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No, even though women make up roughly 66% of college admittance, they are still given plenty of advantages and extra points on the name of EDI.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:37 PM
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No its because women got together and used their power to ensure themselves material advantages, and then made reference to asinine moralistic arguments about how they deserve to discriminate because their grandmother's were discriminated against. In reality these are political privileges they have acquired that infringe upon my rights, and will be dismantled if the people's whose rights are currently being trampled on are ever able to organize to stop them. I hope we do one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:36 PM
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You are the biological father of a child that is conceived if it is born, regardless of any paperwork you want to create. So is a sperm donor. He is not, however, a parent. Your whole goal here is to benefit entirely from that freedom— you want to breed and breed and breed and breed without having to ever worry about it at all. No. I want to be able to decide, in the event of conception, whether I will be a parent or not. You are making stuff up over and over and over. You are arguing that men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:34 PM
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Let's say there's 100 places at a psychology study. 1000 people want to study. The university says "the best 100 students get in". This is wonderful Now imagine the university says "all women get extra points for being women". Suddenly, what was free opportunity is now unfree. Women are given massive advantages which ensure their outcomes are better. These opportunities are stolen from men. Have you never heard of this before? Because it's been happening for 40 years if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:13 PM
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Sometimes they do, in which case I care. Sometimes they don't, I'm which case I don't. Women's right to preferential treatment in the educational system, for example, infringes on my right to education. That should go away. Women's right to have a drivers licence? Doesn't infringe on me, all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:48 PM
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We shouldn't take away women's rights for reasons of hatred, we should fight to take away women's right when they infringe on ours. Fight to improve your own life regardless of the barriers, don't institute policy that does not benefit yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:41 PM
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You want a right that women do not actually have— the right to make children and abandon them. No I want the same right that women have: to get to decide, in case of conception, whether this leads to me becoming a parent. It is an amazing freedom and blessing you have that you can have as much sex and many children as you want without any physical harm whatsoever. No it's not, it's like having the freedom to own a yacht. Yes I am free to own a yacht. I don't benefit from that freedom. And for al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:20 PM
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Here we go again, redsand raging against the images in her head
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 11:47 AM
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Yeah but those are effects of the men that woman might want being snapped up by other women and so becoming unavailable, not that there aren't available men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 07:05 AM
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listen to single men who can't keep a woman around Depends on your current level.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 07:01 AM
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Misplaced hatred. Women will never run out of male options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 06:59 AM
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What they don’t have the right to is to have sex without protection and then expect that someone else will just take care of all the consequences for them. Women do not have the right to abandon a born child. Good thing we are talikg about unborn children then. There is no medical reason why a man should be granted the right to control a woman’s body against her will. And no one is advocating for that. And there is no social reason why he should not be required to support the children he is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 06:58 AM
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Women do not attempt suicide more than men, that is an insidious hateful lie that feminists peddle to steal away resources from men who need them towards women who want them. Men die by suicide because men commit suicide. Women don't die because women aren't trying to commit suicide. Patheticly screaming for attention does not equal actually offing themselves. Men who attemp suicide by traditionally female methods dies. It's a hateful myth made to oppress. Also you're rambling and saying tons of…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:23 PM
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Women have the right to decide, in the event of pregnancy, whether they will be a parent or not. Men don't have that right. You have the freedom to choose not your nut in a fertile woman And women have the freedom not to have sex with men. Yet they get the right to abortion and we don't. I will continue voting for anti-abortion parties until the pro-abortion parties extend the same right to me. I will always and forever vote against whomever strips me of the freedom they reserve for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:14 PM
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It's not "male abortion." That's what you don't get. Women don't have the right to abortion (where they do) because pregnancy costs money. Women have the right to abortion because of BODILY AUTONOMY. No, women have abortion because the people who wanted abortion were able to aquire enough power to legalize it. A paper abortion has ZERO to do with bodily autonomy; it's discarding the legal financial support. Men keep trying to CALL it abortion and using convoluted arguments over "having to work" …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:52 PM
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I don't think that is correct. I think most every man recoginizes that sex is more a benefit to men than to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:23 PM
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And also… why do you even think anyone supporting abortion opposes safety protections in male-dominated industries? It’s usually anti-abortion neo-cons who want to deregulate everything and get more men to die in the mines. Like, do you not understand yourself as delusional? Yes we ought to dedicate more resources to female abortion than male abortion. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have male abortion - the reason you people are vehemently against male abortion is that it takes away power women have …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:41 PM
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What actually makes me angry is that men who fear that never think about fucking take safety precautions and use the fucking condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:39 PM
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What actually makes me angry is that men who fear that never think about fucking take safety precautions and use the fucking condom. This is what you said. And I'm not angry lol, you say stupid and wrong shit and I disagree. That's not anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:00 PM
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It's just not a principle you're willing to apply consistently. For instance, 90% of workplace fatalities are men. Does that mean we should not facilitate secure workplaces for women? Just because one gender is affected more than the other, doesn't mean individual human being ought not be afforded rights; and you will only ever apply that principle when benefit is afforded to your ingroup.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:44 PM
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You're not the boss of me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:41 PM
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Yeah so if a man wears a condom, falls asleep and the woman fishes the condom out of the garbage to impregnant herself, men are on the hook for child support lol... you people just hate when your power over men isn't totally 100% in every single scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:39 PM
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Look at the fucking risk calculation. I don't think men disagree with this; it gets repeated ad naseum here how this is the foundation of sexual inequality. Men want sex more than women do, because we're almost guaranteed an orgasm in conditions of physical safety and the consequences of sex, pregnancy, are far less severe for men than for women. I am as incel as they get and this is literally foundational to all my thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:35 PM
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Because our inability precedes women withdrawing, it cannot be a causal influence. I have had sex with one woman, 15 years ago. In the last 15 years I've slept with 0 women. That women over the last 5 years or so increasingly withdraw from sex, doesn't affect me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 10:48 AM
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The correlation is inverse..................
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:38 AM
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Exactly. Women are born valuable, men have to earn it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:27 AM
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No, poor men have less sex with fewer women than rich men; this is well established.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:26 AM
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What are you talking about? Google "is female promiscuity correlated to finances" and you'll get several results all showing you thr same thing... why didn't you bother to check before posting?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:25 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:20 AM
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Yeah and *men have the same experience(. You grow up reading romantic stories and dreaming about growing up so you can find someone, only to be crished by finding out you're not a real person to women, but a status symbol, and as a low status dude you're am insufficient status symbol. You'll Never be loved, you'll be spat on and ridiculed by women everywhere because your entirely at the mercy of their judgements and women hate men who can't impress other men. It's exactly the same thing, just th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:18 AM
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Which doesn't affect most men at all
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:15 AM
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How is any of it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:13 AM
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No, Feminists ensured women got better grade for the same performance, lower admission to both education and jobs, and way disproportionate resources to accommodate them during their time in higher education. As a result of using political power to ensure women don't need to perform as well in order to achieve, women are now twice as likely to receive higher education. Feminists they justify the results of their discriminatory practices the same way bigots always do: no no, my group is just bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:12 AM
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First point is well proven in every oced country Second point, schools are about 300 years old. Younshould read historie before talking about it Third there are way way way more for woman. But there's no point in talking to you. You're a feminist and love all your unfair privilege and will scream and cry at the mention of them. I am talking to other men; these are the people we need to organize and vote to out so we can create a fairer world
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:10 AM
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No it's regurgitated talking points from 20 years ago that were wrong then and are by now outdated and still wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 08:49 PM
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Instead we need to organize politically How did you get "sitting around waiting for politicians to “fix” anything" from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 08:47 PM
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No Finally we agree on something
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:58 PM
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I mean that's always a funny little strawman because people living in poverty are struggling with things way beyond the "no girls will date me" complaint. You don't use the word strawman correctly. This is an analogy. But even then, people in poverty have a couple of options—try to find a way out or fight back against the system that has kept wages stagnant and prices rising. Single dudes who demand a girlfriend have similar options, but you're taking it too literally, as though women are the "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:57 PM
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But women getting better grades for the same performance in school, for instance, and then getting extra points when applying for schools on account of being women, and then having enormously disproportionate resources given to them while in higher education, ensures that women do better in school than men. As women have a preference for dating up, these policies not only hurt the outcomes of men in life in general, but doubles down on making dating harder for men. Those are things men should ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:55 PM
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Getting better grades for the same performance in school Getting more health care Getting more time off work Getting to work less Getting to receive more from the government despite paying less in taxes Getting to have preferential treatment in hiring Getting to get into schools with lower grades Getting to get difficult jobs because of their gender Getting to retire earlier despite living longer Getting to be put on board-level positions on account of gender Getting to avoid mandatory military …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:52 PM
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Do you consider yourself an intelligent person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:47 PM
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In part it does, as feminist policies and influence serves to worsen lives for many men and feminists are mainly women. But of course there are many other issues as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:47 PM
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well done, you managed to make a bad faith ridiculous ad absurdum. Women are valued for their looks. Men for their status. You still havent made it clear how these are different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:46 PM
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Which political male privileges?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:45 PM
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No, is that the only way something can feel bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:51 PM
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If it ever materializes, it will take decades to develop into an actual political force, so obviously I will not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:50 PM
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Men, especially in this subreddit, need to stop blaming women and demanding women solve loneliness for me Yes. Instead we need to organize politically in order to remove all the political female privileges that have been built up to disadvantage us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:18 PM
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I have the same relationship with male sexual violence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:17 PM
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It is however, at least in part due to the way we have structured society. Why wouldn't we talk about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:16 PM
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t in my conversations with some people it's like yelling at a brick wall getting them to understand that they could actually feel better and have a nice time even without a girlfriend. And poor people can feel better and have a nice time without getting money. Should we stop working against poverty for that reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:15 PM
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I don't understand why you think it wouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:35 PM
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realizing the same about women and social status feels more or less exactly the same way i wager
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:27 PM
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So women grow up constantly consuming men's interiority. We know what the male protagonist wants. We know what rejection feels like to him. We know his sexual frustrations, his insecurities, his fear of inadequacy, his relationship with his father, what makes him feel emasculated, what he thinks romance looks like, what he fantasizes about, and what he thinks success means. Male interiority is treated as universal. Female interiority is treated as female. That's a huge part of what you're descri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:26 PM
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In all those examples you are clearly wrong....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:14 PM
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how can you even have a large group of people in one place at one time in an orderly manner? like, England...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:43 PM
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No, you're a person who sought out someone in a worse life state so you could throw personal insults at them to make yourself feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:59 PM
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You're trying to explain why men behave this way No that has never been what I was trying to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:57 PM
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Who is being hateful? You Sure, it is no fun being horny and alone but we are supposed to fall on our backs for you? No. You're a hateful person, that's my claim. This is life and you should instead try to understand the price we pay. We take risks if we go out with a man but state those risks and most of the men on this sub will ridicule us. If we end up as single mothers, it is our fault. Get your paper abortion. I don't disagree with any of this. Doesn't change the fact that you're a hateful …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:54 PM
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Or I could just chill and do other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:54 PM
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Who is being hateful? You Sure, it is no fun being horny and alone but we are supposed to fall on our backs for you? No. You're a hateful person, that's my claim. This is life and you should instead try to understand the price we pay. We take risks if we go out with a man but state those risks and most of the men on this sub will ridicule us. If we end up as single mothers, it is our fault. Get your paper abortion. I don't disagree with any of this. Doesn't change the fact that you're a hateful …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:54 PM
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How do you figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:49 PM
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I just don't see why any of this matter. Relationships between large groups of people depend on power. Women are blessed with chosing power, and so complaining about how they use that power does nothing. The powerful do what they will, the weak suffer what they must. Women won't change because they don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 01:10 PM
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Ok but that has no relation to the point I just made
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:42 AM
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No one is demanding thin women, daily reminded that less attractive women suffer no sexual penalties, unlike men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:39 AM
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And those guys are entirely responsible for their own situation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:36 AM
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Unless every man is granted entirely equal amounts of sexual partners, womens experience of male sexual behaviour necessarily emerges from the distribution of sex, not the behaviour of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:35 AM
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. Is there a point when it's safe to assume that there are no good choices No, however there is a point where it's safe to assume your history of poor decision making on the subject isn't arbitrary and so perhaps men are not for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:49 AM
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; Men, is it actually true that you're generally not overly picky about a woman's body Yes. If you Google it, you'll find that leas attractive women are more promiscuous. Men are very accepting. and that you genuinely care about her well-being and pleasure during intimacy I do, I don't hang around when other men have sex so I can't really talk in generalities here. But remember that for men, sex is constrained; we are competing for a few opportunities. Competitions are generally won by people wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:54 AM
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I am talking to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:52 AM
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Yeh so there's this concept called solidarity where in groups of people suffering from the same problem develop a grouped awareness of common problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:51 AM
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With sexy guys while you go together snf say disgusting things about those of us who don't measure up to your physical standards. Like you are so clearly a really hateful person, I don't see the point in trying to deny that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:49 AM
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No you're just bad at chosing men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:37 AM
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And there's a 99.9% chance you're a prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:36 AM
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Boob's are judged by availability
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:54 PM
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Nothing women hate more than sexually unsuccessful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:53 PM
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Survivorship bias. You're not considering the larger picture. Let's say 10 men and 10 women frequent a bar every weekend. On any given day, 20% of women and 80% of men are looking for a hookup. If the outcome is stocastic, each man has sex one per five outings. But consider that people aren't equally attractive, and you exclude a stochastic distribution; if one of these men has a 50% success rate, other men must make up his surplus with a commencary deficit. "Go out and meet people" is advice gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:51 PM
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I am not going to stop expressing myself because you find my life an inconvenience. I exist and will communicate my existence, warts and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 02:35 PM
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Attractive women don't have a lot of sex- they have less. But its clear you're a person that doesn't value information. I'm gonna walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:19 PM
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Which is categorically wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:15 PM
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Now you're making a completely different statement than your last one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:11 PM
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Just Google "do attractive women have more sex than unattractive women " and you'll learn that, beginning in the 1970s, people started doing a lot of research into sex within the field of epidemiology. So we know very well how people have sex and the patterns that govern it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:10 PM
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That is absolutely incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:07 PM
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No, unattractive women marry, have relationships and sex at slightly higher rates than more attractive women do. The reason you think like you do, is that you ignore most guys, who would want a relationship with her, and only notice the guys that are hot enough - most hot guys are nice as well, but hot and nice means he's in a relationship. So the hot guys who are not in a relationship have selected themselves out. Since wome by and large don't see less attractive men as human, were ignored and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:07 PM
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Can't help it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:03 PM
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I've spent my life in construction and surrounded by nurses. No we don't pay people to fix basic shit lol that is middle class through and through
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:03 PM
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Not angry, jealous. I wish I had value to other people simply by virtue of existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:41 PM
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He questioned trans politics
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:41 PM
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Well I guess I was wrong, if fun qualifies as meaning then it's not meaningless, you're correct. What I mean to say is that intellectually, a question that can not interact with reality has no value.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:39 PM
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I'd imagine so. Doesn't change the fact that blue pill and middle class go together like peanuts and strawberries
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:38 PM
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Plumber for six years, before that I did eight years as a roofer
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:36 PM
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Yes men ought to take accountability for our choices, no our choices aren't nearly as free as those of women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:35 PM
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God you people are always so rich
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:34 PM
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It's meaningless not because it's hard, but because it's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:33 PM
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I know and like tons of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:17 PM
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If there are 100 applicants for 10 positions, it's hopeless for 90% of applicants. Any one applicant could better their own chances through improvement, but necessarily at the expense of another. If the entire field improves, it still leaves 90% to failure. Men want sex more than women do, on aggregate. This means that once all women have had the sex they desire, there's still leftover male desire with no ability to partner. In such a context, whenever one man aquires a larger than average amoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:16 PM
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Good for you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:07 PM
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I wish I could have sex. You're a woman and you'll always be able to. Life is not like that for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:56 PM
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No I don't particularily care about people I don't know. Neither do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:27 PM
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Women don't do regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:59 AM
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Will you have time to do that, with all the sick leave you're taking?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:00 AM
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That shit will be done by guys like me for the pittance wages guys like me get, with a female supervisor for reasons of diversity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:51 AM
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Good for you, if you keep at it I'm sure you'll have many nice milestones ahead
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:50 AM
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Add onto that: Feminists have taken over the educational system and gleefully discriminate against boys and young men to the extent that higher education is now twice as attainable for women as for men. Women dominate hiring processes and have a well proven, massive bias towards other women. Systems of governmental wealth redistribution are largely in the hands of feminists who use that power to benefit women over men Women have a far higher in group bias than men and form for more coherent voti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:43 AM
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wouldn’t you agree that a rise in misandrist jokes probably correlates with a rise in misandrist abuse? No i don’t think small forms of misandry are completely harmless which is why i don’t think we should be tolerant of it in any form. It can be harmful in that it's hurtful. But no I don't believe at all that jokes by low status men inform the behaviour of high status men. . we’re born with a vulnerability to becoming prejudiced but it’s not like people are born with specific prejudices If they…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:36 AM
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No I am depressed because trying for ten years is not enough for me to get one single woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:32 AM
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No, black pill means it's hopeless fot many men. Attractiveness is varied and multifaceted - but it's not arbitrary. It's a whole package sort of deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:06 AM
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On the other hand, many more men cold approach because patriarchal, capitalist, heterosexual norms encourage that behavior without costing them much social respect, whereas women are judged far more harshly for doing the same. Why do you think this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:14 PM
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Who said the problem was my looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:11 PM
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I think he means that women comprised 1% of the military bu t 30% of sa victims
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:10 PM
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I am as incel as it comes, but the only thing I disagree with here is why would we castrate them? Hanging is a form of castration too if you think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:10 PM
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White people are responsible for slavery What? Slavery went on for some 8000 years before white people became even slightly relevant to world history
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:07 PM
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When those comments are treated as harmless jokes instead of unacceptable, they contribute to a culture that minimizes women's concerns. You keep saying that and there's no godly reason to believe it to be so. Cristiano Ronaldo didn't rape a woman because some male losers that women mock made some jokes about rape. My childhood friend who slept with tons of women and raped several of them, didn't do so because of jokes made my low status men that women abhor. Low status men, which is mainly defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:03 PM
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exactly the same amount of sex with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:53 PM
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Yes, I know that. What I am saying is that "worthless" is a category that only men can fall into. Women are spared that by virtue of being women- thus, as I said, women live life on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:52 PM
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I dont expect a woman to be attracted to me at all. I am explaining why your understanding of the world is wrong. I am perfectly happy to understand that women have options and consider them Tl be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:50 PM
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That's for women to decide, I don't understand why you are asking me this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:48 PM
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No, if most men have 2-5 partners, men who have 100 partners would be called “an outlier. Yes and what are the implications of this on the rest of men????? And no, men and women don’t “have the same amount”, YOU could rack up 100 yourself if you had no standards. No, when I've tries to get laid and when I've tries to date my standards have been: be a woman, want me. I can't change my sexuality, and so I can't lower my standards any further. The reason most people don’t is because they don’t have…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:48 PM
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No, the more women you meet the more dating prospects you have. It's not a universal thing. I've met thousands of women in my life, it never gave me dating prospects
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:45 PM
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No I don't have the money, nor the network to pay for prostitutes. Unattractive women are no less likely to marry either. It's simply not the case that ugly women suffer the same effects of their ugliness as ugly men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:02 PM
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Well I have two friends like that. Keep in mind men and women have exactly the same amount of sex with each other. So when some men are enormously hypersexual, that means that most men are below average. That's how averages work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:47 PM
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No, the market is not flooded with low value women not getting any. Overweight women sleep with more men on average. The same goes for poor women, women not working full time etc. The sexual penalty for being unattractive is only applied to men. We can't expect anything from life when we're losers; women can. That's so much of the disconnect on this forum. Loser men argue with successful women over who has it worst; the successful women see successful men having it better than them, and assume t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:45 PM
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Yes, most people have 2-5 lifetime partners. Some guys get 100s. You do the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:40 PM
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How can we ever know anything for sure? If she says she's inexperienced, and I trust her, and then she says I'm great, I'll believe her. If she's super experienced I won't believe a thing she tells me. We can't know reality, we can just do the best we can with what information we're able to gleam
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:36 PM
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Not at the same rates nor at the same ages. I'm 35. Women my age tell me they stopped dating. I haven't had sex since I was 20. They did. There's a lot of guys who can't get laid. That starts as soon as people become sexual. There's a growing number of women who don't find anyone. They date and have sex until mid 30s, then they stop. These are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:33 PM
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You don't. The reason sex works as it does, is because sex is better for men. If you want another dynamic, you need to make it so that sex is better for women than for men. Which means - instead of men orgasming more often, women get that. Instead of men having escalation dominance, women need to get that. And instead of women getting pregnant, men need to get pregnant. If you don't ch ange the underlying causal elements then no change will take place in the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:31 PM
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The market is flooded with low-value men because their company is worthless This is why we say women live on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:28 PM
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So then, why can't men who claim to have no dating prospects brave approaching and talking to women IRL - and flirting on dates - without exclusively relying on throwing Hail Marys through online dating, in order to have dating prospects? Because it doesn't give us dating prospects
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:12 AM
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Q: don't you think it also makes sense for men to have preferences? As in, I'd prefer her to have the most fun and engaging sex with me rather than with some dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:39 AM
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I have asked friends yes...? Queer people have a situation I don't recognize and haven't been in, I'm not gonna tell you about your stuff. But I'll tell you about mine. Absolutely everywhere in the world where men can go to meet women, there are already men. Quite a lot of them in fact. There're always other options available for any woman, and women will chose other men every single time. Which leaves out a lot of men when the accounting is done.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:52 PM
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The behaviour of a creature that has a physiology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:36 PM
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And you don't struggle despite being one, upsides to being a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:36 PM
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No it's a you-problem, it'll be a them-problem once they go on here to make a post
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:36 PM
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The behaviour of a creature that has a physiology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:35 PM
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It is yes and it's not all that uncommon for men. It's just a part of the human experience which isn't yours and so you relate to it through identity rather than experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:33 PM
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Sounds like youre trying to make a you problem into an us problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:31 PM
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Alright, have a nice day then
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:31 PM
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Which is way more than I get. Look, if being with men and meeting men is so awful, why arent women just going celibate in massive numbers? Women are willing to risk rape, pregnancy, StDs, abuse, trauma, violence and harassment in order to have a sex life. Because they are desperate to avoid celibacy. If being an incel is no problem, and we should just have a nicer attitude, how come women brave all that so they they don't need to be celibate? After all, the woman who has the experience you descr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:30 PM
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And you're a woman who goes online and put down men who struggle with romance to make yourself feel good, because you think mens value is determined by women's sexuslity, and so you accuse me of having no value to improve your own self confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:27 PM
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No because my ability to date was already zero. I am not affected whatsoever. If that man instead had chosen to behave in an appropriate manner, my life would not change at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:25 PM
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No. Single men can not be "like single women", because single women have sex and situationships and opportunities, something a lot of single men simply don't have. I can't just focus on my life, hang out with my friends, focus and my career, occasionally have a small romance or casual sex. I can do the first three things sure. But I can't do the fourth. Just like poor people can't live like rich people, men can't just live like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:24 PM
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No those women still get men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:53 PM
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And you think my value is determined by women, hence you insult me for not being attractive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:53 PM
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That is unanswerable as your premise adds no information that pertains to your conclusion. Is a man tall if he eats strawberries? Is a ferry brown if it's winter? Are cats clever if there's a meteorstorm?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:48 PM
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A metaphor is a figure of speech that compares two different things by saying one thing is another, such as "time is a thief". It is not meant to be taken literally; instead, it helps paint a vivid picture or explain a complex idea by linking it to a familiar concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:44 PM
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No we don't. You have value defined by yourself and you have value defined by those that surround you. You're projecting. You think a man's value is determined by women, so when I'm bad at seduction, you use that to try and insult and hurt me. Because that's how you understand value.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:43 PM
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No its not because a person's ability to function is unrelated to what sort of decor the prefer or how they relate to furniture. You're using it as a moralistic word - in as much as you look down on people with different tastes than you and rather than accept yourself as a snob, you take a word you think sounds milder and change the meaning of it. Independence doesn't relate to decor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:41 PM
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You said men should act more like women. It's like saying poor people would be happier if they lived more like rich people; spend more time travelling, have a maid tend to the cleaning, spend more time on the yacht. Like yeah I agree that would probably make poor people happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:32 PM
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So you don't consist of carbon and hydrogen like the rest of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:31 PM
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"Having sex is the only unit of value I understand, so I will call you an incel" :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:30 PM
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If so, they affect neither of our lives. I dont have a type. You find your type when you have options and you find the patterns in the choices you make.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:26 PM
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Hard to live with privilege I guess, hope it makes you happy some day
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:06 PM
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I'm 35 I don't have tictoc, and this is my only account :) try again
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:05 PM
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Independence means freedom from outside control, where a person, place, or group has self-government and makes their own rules
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:04 PM
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No, hatred. And I don't want them. I want them to atop spreading their hatred. I'm sorry, your hatred that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:03 PM
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I'll refer you to ny previous comment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:03 PM
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Yes you do. It doesn't matter to me whether women want to be approached or not- because when they do, they're going to chose other men anyway. Last 15 years I have had sex with 0 women. A friend of mine has been with at least 50 in that same period. Let's say women hate how men behave, and so they abstain more from sex. As a consequence, they only have half as much sex as they used to. Instead of having sex with 50 women in 15 years, my friend will now only get to be with 25. Massive loss for hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:01 PM
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So no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:53 PM
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Which is well and good but then you went online to complain
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:53 PM
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Sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:53 PM
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Well, look at it from the other persepctive: You spend most your life depressed and often suicidal due to dealing with issues that only affect your gender. You lose several friends to drugs, suicide or alcoholism. Half your friends over time become so depressed they no longer leave the house. Do you say "me and my loved ones and unimportant people and our suffering shouldn't matter"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:51 PM
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All thumbs are fingers, not all fingers are thumbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:48 PM
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Is being a top 1% commentator on Reddit a sign that you're living the best life?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:48 PM
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No arguments, just hatred. Modern woman in other words.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:47 PM
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The things missing from my life; intimate touch and sex, someone to plan life with and experiencing being desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:47 PM
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Nothing about this affects independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:46 PM
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Romantic failure is the number one reason for male suicide, sometimes number two after financial problems
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:45 PM
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So you don't know. You just like talking down to people who weren't born into your privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:45 PM
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How do you falsify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:44 PM
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The solution is to stop using the state to transfer the fruits of male labour to women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:41 PM
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In order to date, women and men have to be able to have fun together, with attraction present, and lack of social inhibition where both are comfortable signaling interest in socially accepted ways. No, men need that. Women will get anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:40 PM
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One insult- because you find one thing about yourself valuable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:39 PM
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Suicide mostly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:34 PM
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Single women have sex and situationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:32 PM
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I dont like having art on my walls, and I don't want vintage furniture. Furniture is functional not decorative for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:30 PM
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No I can not get my needs met without a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:29 PM
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In general, I think lonely men would be happier and more likely to find partners if they acted more like single women As in, have sex whenever you want. Sure that would make me happier. I have friends, hobbies,a social life and I enjoy my work. I have also not had sex for 15 years and been rejected 100s of times. Those things do not happen to women. So we can't live "like women" - we don't have the power that you do of selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:29 PM
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What are you beyond a biological creature?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:27 PM
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Look at this forum and see how many insults women throw at us for being undesirable. Men don't make me feel like shit, lots of women do and they revel in their hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:26 PM
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How do you know that? Did you ever go 15 years without having sex whole facing 100s of rejections? If not, how come you're such an expert of how people who suffer problems you'll never have to face should deal with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:26 PM
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And you are arguing, then, that male suicide is caused by men not getting female attention…? Not just suicide. Achievement in general. Groups that have easy access to sex, women and gay men, score far higher on many measures of life quality. There could very well be correlation between these two factors. Why is the idea so offensive to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:24 PM
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Then you could just stay at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:22 PM
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They don't ruin it for everyone, they ruin it for you. They're not ruining anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:20 PM
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Well being made uncomfortable with being approached on the gym sounds like a her problem not a him problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:17 PM
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Who's protecting it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:14 PM
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It's not complicated for you because you're a woman and so you're guaranteed success and other people will do all the hard lifting It is complicated for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:12 PM
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Gay men performing so well has me thinking the same thing. The value of being sexually attractive especially in the formative years is hard to quantify but I think it's enormous. I haven't had sex for 15 years. I'm okay with it now, but the amounts if nights I've spent crying and punching the walls, knowing that in order to address this very basic human need for intimacy I need to spend several years and face hundreds of rejections, I can't even count. And I can't find the motivation to try for …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:08 PM
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That's fine, but in the cases where women do chose to date men, that should not entitle them to the state using it's monopoly on violence to take men's money away and give it to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:30 AM
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That's fine, but in the cases where women do chose to date men, that should not entitle them to the state using it's monopoly on violence to take men's money away and give it to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:30 AM
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This is something a lot of red pill and men's rights advocates tend to miss. Many legal protections don't exist because they're ideal—they exist because they're compensating for other systemic failures. They exist because the people who benefit from them found the power to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:28 AM
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This is something a lot of red pill and men's rights advocates tend to miss. Many legal protections don't exist because they're ideal—they exist because they're compensating for other systemic failures. They exist because the people who benefit from them found the power to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:28 AM
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So it's a great thing then that he is open about it so you can make your decisions informed and in a timely manner :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:11 PM
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No, back then unsuccesful men had no public forums so you didn't have to hear about us. The internet have made us visible, it didn't create us
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:46 AM
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Got a decent amount actually
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:32 PM
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Absolutely relevant. There is no mutual responsibility. You don't get my shit, I don't get your shit. No taxes, no redistribution. You want an education, you take a job and earn money so you can do it yourself. Lose your job, get a new one or starve. Have kids? Hope you have money for them, I don't wanna give you any of my shit. But you're a hypocrit. You feel entitled to receive, just not responsible for giving. Let's be thorough. It's not enough that you have zero responsibility for me, I also…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:32 PM
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My taxes if you're a feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:22 PM
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I agree. Nor are you entitled to anything from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:11 PM
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I hear tha, I don't want any of my resources going to you either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:10 PM
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Actually I am but only very specific counselling that related to accidents in the workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:56 PM
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Tough lol You're an angry person throwing your shit at people online. I'm done with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:55 PM
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No, women owe me nothing, which I wrote like four times.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:55 PM
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That dude is a hero in my eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:48 PM
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Black men are absentee fathers and that's a problem, says woman who got pregnant by the same man that impregnated several other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:47 PM
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No, and you would know that had you read my post. Instead you got angry and started throwing wild accusations around. Why would I care to converse with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:41 PM
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Nah, I made a perfectly coherent argument, to whit you replied with this angry rant, ironically accusing me of throwing a tantrum
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:35 PM
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Local variations
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:20 PM
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Because social responsibility is mutual. In traditional societies, which contain very few people, this is a given. In the modern world of ideology however, it is not a given; people like OP want other people to be responsible towards them, while they themselves are not responsible for others. Women don't owe men anything; we don't deserve anything from them - that's fine. But when they turn around and talk about how other people are responsible to fix their shit, hos society is failing to solve …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:20 PM
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Who are they exactly, which actions exactly, what is feeling responsibility exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:16 PM
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Powerlessness because of desperation? No, desperation as a response to powerlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:03 PM
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? police, judges, prosecutors and soldiers (even frontline) are now populated with both men and women. Yeah that's fine. But if I see a guy who mistreats women, it's not my problem whatsoever and there is no moral obligation for me to get involved (I'm not in any of these professions). I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly, but even to this day, womens' work of being pregnant, raising and nursing a young child goes completely unpaid while the husbands' efforts are rewarded by the economy wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:02 PM
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Then why would you say? Why would I say what? So ignoring red flags to get sex….so thinking with one’s dick. No, attempting to advance one's self interest in a position of powerlessness. Because alot of men are desperate and think with their dicks, but they want to believe theyre the majority. Otherwise they have to take accountability for their desperate behavior Here we go again, off in your own lilith world that the rest of us are thankfully not invited to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:56 PM
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Recent studies seem to indicate that there are more men looking for marriage and children than there are women, yea. Among young adults without children, men are more likely than women to say they want to be parents someday https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/among-young-adults-without-children-men-are-more-likely-than-women-to-say-they-want-to-be-parents-someday/ However the actual distribution, it's far closer to parity than the perceived distribution dud to factors discussed ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:53 PM
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And I'm fine with that as long as you agree that I have no responsibility for you either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:51 PM
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I agree with the caveat that women also don't deserve anything from men. If I see a man bother a woman, I walk away . The debate lies in those who agree with your point, but not with mine. Women deserve to be protected by men, women deserve to get mens labour-surplus redistributed to them by the state, women deserve to retire earlier - like if you don't hold any of these beliefs then the belief that men deserve nothing from women is perfectly fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:33 PM
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So youre more concerned about getting into a relationship, rather than concerned about being into a good one Neither, I am not interested in relationships whatsoever. But the truth of the matter is that people's decision making on any subject is to a very large extend emergent from their experiences. If I had had three long term relationships, two flings and a one night stand in my life, I would think differently than I currently do as I had one girlfriend 15 years ago and no other experience. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:29 PM
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The obvious answer would be that those social circles are local hotshots and not representative on reality altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:22 PM
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Because experience is relative to position. I tuition allows us to make good choices in situations in which we're familiar; after all intuition is a quasi empiric process. Intuition however is disabling when discussing subjects that do not align with a person's direct experience. For instance, I am an incel. I can go to my friend who has been in a relationship for 15 years and ask him advice; but his advice will not be useful because it relates to his experience, not to some underlying universal…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:12 PM
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How can I explain how there is no relationship between the baloon that got lost over NyC in Friends and the 2008 financial crisis? You guys clearly think most people will ignore red flags to get into a relationship. That has never been part of the conversation lol you're just talking with yourself in your head. Try one time to read what people write and relate to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:02 PM
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It seems that a lot of guys want to live a life of casual sex, more so compared to women, unless that's just me, thinking that. This is the point I was disagreeing with. Yes I do believe there are slightly more men that want casual sexual relationships than women, however this difference is massively overstated for two reasons: A) women experience men who want, and are able to get, casual sex at rates that are far higher than what would be reflective of the male population as a whole, directly a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:55 PM
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There is never any relationship between what people say and what you answer lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:49 PM
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No, I am saying that the massive disparity in male sexual attainment means that women's experiences with male sexuality and romanticism reflect on women, not on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 07:25 AM
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If that is the case - and much evidence suggests it is not - then I would rather have population collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:18 AM
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Statistically more men than women are looking for relationships and marriage What happens is that when a larger group of women go for a smaller group of men, let's say 100 women and 100 women, and 80 women decide they want one of 20 men, then most of these guys form a relationship with one woman, leaving a small group left who fills both criteria; hot enough to fuck, doesn't want commitment. Then the experience women have of having sex with men reflects these men, not men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:13 AM
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Statistically more men than women are looking for relationships and marriage What happens is that when a larger group of women go for a smaller group of men, let's say 100 women and 100 women, and 80 women decide they want one of 20 men, then most of these guys form a relationship with one woman, leaving a small group left who fills both criteria; hot enough to fuck, doesn't want commitment. Then the experience women have of having sex with men reflects these men, not men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:13 AM
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Then why doesn't your comment relate to it in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:11 AM
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Why would it be an either or proposition. You're also missing the point once again
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:56 PM
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We all have to learn the lesson that life is not fair and no one is entitled to access to another persons ANYTHNG So you agree I shouldn't have to pay taxes? Both historically and currently, collectively men have held unchecked power Damn unchecked power, I have to use some of that one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:48 PM
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Women wouldn't say it if these men didn't have stank ass personalities. It wouldn't matter what women said or didn't say if it wasn't for the very real power they exercice. It's said because it's true. Their personality made them unattractive. Which is a problem unique to men Personality is important. Personality is what keeps women in relationships. A man's blue eyes isn't enough to keep a relationship. You're completely missing the point. Not getting into a relationship lowers your chances of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:47 PM
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So most women just simply avoid abusers AND AVOID YOU. well you're half right
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:43 PM
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Where a lot of men fail these days is they don’t go out to socialize with new people, they don’t know how to be good company and they don’t like spending time with anyone unless it gives them what they want. Which is a recipe for loneliness. According to other people, that is. I have a nice social life. I have friends both male and female. The reason a large proportion of male members of every single mammal species goes sexless isn't because modern men aren't social enough. How do you even get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:26 PM
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Venting is a common human tactic for deling with the unwelcome. When my stepfather wad dying of cancer, he kept complaining about the pain. I could have told him that he was being unreasonable, that the pain would be there anyway and that asking for it to go away is akin to asking for cosmic charity And yet i didn't
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:30 AM
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I have no idea what your point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:29 PM
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Oh yeah I'm happy for the friendships, but it has never helped me get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:28 PM
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I'm not trying to date my friends no
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:27 PM
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I've had more female friends throughout my life than any guy I know. Never helped
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:32 PM
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My point is that men with little relationship-experience aren't going to see things the same as people with more experience; it's the same reason it's so hard to convince teenagers not to take obviously bad decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:40 PM
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I can explain it easily; men want sex more often and faster than women. Imagine there are ten men and ten women. Men want to have sex more; let's imvent some values and see how the system develops. Let's say each woman want to have sex once, and each man wants to have sex three times. Well, the most attractive man and woman both manage their goals. She has sex once, he has sex three times. There are now 7 instances of sex left. The second most attractive man can't pull of the three he wanted, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:05 PM
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Yes, exactly. That is the most common thing to occur when someone suddenly comes into a lot of money. Do you think this realisation will make all the poor people stop dreaming of riches?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:53 PM
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What do red pilled men think will happen when they do eventually get into a relationship? What do poor people think will happen when they do eventually get money?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:34 PM
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The leverage is a consequence of the social dynamics that develop between two groups having sex with one another while there's am imbalance of desire
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:32 PM
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As a Metallica fan, EEEEEEEEE
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:38 AM
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Men have demonstrated how their tendencies in power include high levels of preference for their own group having power. They want their own group to be able to act with complete and utter impunity, as demonstrated by the current world It's so funny how this is actually demonstrably untrue; men categorically do not do this as has been amply proven. Women do however, and so you imagine that if we have power, we will do what you do: discriminate in favor of our own gender. But we don't. Study after…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:30 AM
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How would a post gender world deal with all the issues peculiar to being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:32 AM
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God What happens if men want sex more than women? Just try and think about it for five seconds......
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:27 AM
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Men don't have internal bias the way women do. Men don't tend to discriminate in favor or other men when they have the power to do so, unlike women who have been proven to have a very large in-group preference that leads to discrimination when women apply power unchecked. As for why, my guess would be rape. Common threats bring people together; if there was a third gender that were always beating up and raping men, I imagine we would develop a much greater sense of community as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:37 AM
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Just keep in mind that left-wing policies involve enormous transfers of wealth away from men and over to women. And the question "why are women overwhelmingly left" starts becoming easier to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:47 PM
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What are you talking about? It's like me attacking feminism for their belief that free marked economics are beneficial for medium sized economies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:28 PM
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Why do you think this has to do with TRP? You're arguing against classic conservativism. There's nothing here I disagree with except the ridiculous notion that this is something I would disagree with...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:23 PM
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Immigrants tend to skew male
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:49 PM
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They have an actual plot instead of naked hero's journey
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:21 PM
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Nah you cant defend the point so you do this irrational personal attack manouvre.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:40 AM
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Bro grew up a slave on a sand-planet. Why wouldn't he hate sand?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:34 AM
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You're changing the subject
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:23 AM
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Sure but she was happy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:07 AM
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Why would anyone want to be with someone that isn't excited to be with you? My ex was excited to be with me, didn't want to break up and told me years later I was her best boyfriend. I tried for 6 years until I finally got here. You're ignoring a great deal of human experience because it doesn't fit your point. Other may not be so charitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:37 AM
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Why wouldn't a person care about their own problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:33 AM
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The best Star Wars movie are the ones with Anakin Skywalker, the old ones are soo boring and also they just suck? Why can Luke beat Vader? He practiced for like two weeks and got angry. Why did no one practice for two weeks and get angry before?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:28 AM
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Women being physically weaker than men and subject to violence is also '"just how the world works" but I guess you want remedies for that...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:30 AM
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You didn’t meet the bar that was set for everyone equally And just like in the rest of life, the bar is not equal; it's far higher if you're born male
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:22 AM
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s. A woman with a mate value in the 60th percentile may desperately long for a partner, but if the biochemical algorithm that governs her mating strategies—in response to her materially abundant environment—will not release love-inducing hormones unless a potential partner scores above the 90th percentile, pair-bonding becomes less likely. Similarly, our female ancestors may not intentionally have wanted to become a single mother, yet still have been emotionally motivated to behave in a way that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:42 PM
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Validity is not a question that politics concerns itself with - if enough people have interest in a policy to be pushed through, then that policy will be pushed through. Anything is valid if there is support enough for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:33 PM
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No, men don't get women pregnant. Women become pregnant. You want nice things for you and bad things for the people you hate. You don't care about whether your arguments make sense; you just want nice things to happen to you and bad things to happened to the group you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:59 AM
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No the main reason they don't draft women is because the women affected are a group that participates heavily in voting. Women's right to abortion is not "valid" - it's a result of political interplay. The groups that want it vote in larger numbers than the groups against it; whenever that is not the case, the abortion rights fall away. Mens lack of a right to abortion come from the same place - demographic weakness. The men who care about this, are not numerous enough, motivated enough and do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:57 AM
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It's just a socially learned position; they know what is right because that's what their ingroup is built upon. Then they need to rationalise and so they make arguments that gets them where they want to go. Then the argumenta conflict with one another but that's not a problem; their opinions didn't emerge from arguments anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:36 AM
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Also, the gender disadvantage can easily be rectified by drafting women, as they do in Isreal, Norway and Sweden. I don't know about Israel but feminists talking about Scandinavian draft is about as honest as men worrying about the draft (which I agree is simply a convenient argument and not a concern).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:21 AM
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It's the standard of bigots - hate is wrong except my hate actually. Moralists not holding themselves to any sort of intellectual standard will never not be funny to me. The M&M analogy dropping a couple months before the Syrian refugee crisis, and the entire pop-left coalition having to pivot on how this metaphor doesn't apply to immigrants has only been matched once; when the discourse on male abortion the to the feminist mantra: "if you don't wanna have a baby, don't have sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:18 AM
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How is getting an advanced degree in psychology hard to begin with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:10 AM
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I was banned from r/soccer for saying "this may or may not have happened" when someone posted Ronaldo rape accustations lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:17 PM
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You're pretending to do that while at the same time imposing impossibly masculine standards on us
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:09 PM
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I have this accounted RES-tagged as "woman lying about being a man" for some reason so it might be that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:28 PM
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You were born entitled and are looking down through your nose at people wishing for 1% of what you get simply for being born a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:26 PM
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No, there will be a hell of a lot of plumbers competing for the same fewer positions. We all have the same skills. This is mens problem. I don't appeal to some incredible niche of women. I don't appeal to women at all in fact. If I through some mircale meet a woman whose interested in me now, I'm 35 years old with less experience with sex and romance than an average 17 year old girl. People don't just "have" skills in building relationships, they are built, and people who don't build those skill…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:16 PM
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So when there's 400 applicants for 10 positions, I have a problem, you see? Because it's a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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No it's a numbers game, you just don't understand numbers and prefer to think in vague terms that are emotionally satisfying to you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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If you have incredibly niche skills that most people don't have. I'm a plumber. I seek employment within construction, usually plumbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:10 PM
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So you've changed your mind then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:07 PM
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Because it is a numbers game. If I can't get any women, I won't find someone. If I can get many women, then there will be several women I could get who would be good for me. This idea that men should just be starved for sexual contact until at age 31 they find one single woman who matches their freak, and then we should be able to be good partners and great in relationships with zero practice, entirely psychologically unburdened by endless rejection and absent-minded towards the enormously unequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:05 PM
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A lot of men are scared of being charismatic and interesting because they’re worried about coming across as a little fruity. You live in your own world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:57 AM
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Basic math. If the hot guys are getting more than a proportional amount of women, then the rest of us are getting disproportionally little.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:47 AM
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A good question to ask yourself when you give men dating advice is "is this good advice for seeking employment" and if it's not, maybe it's not good dating advice either
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:46 AM
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Yes, the powerful people are happy and when the powerful are happy, there will be no change. But the powerless will whine about it, as is always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:41 AM
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The long term single dudes who don't focus on being masculine remain single as well - the determining factor isn't whether men try to be masculine or not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:40 AM
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I know there's no point to arguing with bad faith actors but I remain an eternal optimists so here we go: You're thinking of "getting laid" the way a man does. Yes It's getting your hole stuffed And this is the negation And you're thinking about it the way a woman does. Another inversion Okay, so you would prefer to have your hole stuffed. No - because we already inverted and this statement is in the context of "what women want" - not "what men want". If you want to continue in good faith, we ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:27 PM
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Yes. And you're thinking about it the way a woman does. And so we feel differently about it. That's OPs and my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:19 PM
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Yeah cause you're a woman. As a man I think the other thing is worse - at least the lady in the first example got laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:14 PM
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We've had 200 years of feminism but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:12 PM
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Very good points, I haven't thought about this much but point 2 in particular I think is very pertinent!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:09 PM
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I am 36. I have been rejected by every woman I ever hit on, and had one girlfriend - no other sexual partners. My number is one. I have a classmate who I've been in the same friendgroup with since we were 12. He slept with over 100 women before he turned 30 - I don't hang out with him anymore but he lives quite close and I often see new women at his house - 3 or 4 a year maybe. Of course those are just the ones I see. If we ask the question "who are men?", he is one man and I am one man. We coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:06 PM
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Your explanation for sexual scarcity ultimately rests on women bearing a much greater reproductive cost from sex. No it doesn't, did you bother to read my comment? My argument built on three pillars: reproductive roles, sexual safety, and tendency to orgasm. If you have two fundamentally equal populations (I dont believe the male brain is more sexual than womens or vica versa), and uneven incetive structures, you will get different results. Women bear the brunt of the reproductive cost - pills h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:58 PM
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No, people fuck who they want. I want aknowledgement that women have a great many privileges that men lack and that their hightened selectionpower bring accountability. I don't want women, or men for that matter, to feel compelled to sex they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:50 PM
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Yes. Unattractive men have less sex with fewer women than attractive men on average. The same is not the case for women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:25 PM
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I have friends, a job, a social life, extroversion capability and social hobbies that don't involve screens. Still incel for 15 years :) but if you make up a caricature in your head of what incels are like, then you can invent a world in which your worldview makes sense :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:22 PM
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Sex....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:20 PM
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months lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:12 PM
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Ugly, socially awkward, autistic people fuck around all the time, assholes, lazy bums, cheaters, xanthippes, fat women, bald men, among every category there are people getting sex. But not in equal amounts. Black people make money all the times is not an argument against the fact that black people make less money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:09 PM
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No, this isn't it. We live in a world we can experience and thus we have access to empirical data. The red pill is an umbrella terms for ideologies that attempt to understand and use this data to improve the situation of its adherents. To what degree data is being understood correctly, and to what degree bitter and resentful individuals seek out these ideologies to harvest their grievances for their own purposes will vary, but it will do so for every possible interest collective and this is noth…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:57 PM
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It's pointless to blame womens standards yes - but it's valuable to understand and desiminate them, both for contextualizing your individual experience and for modeling social reality in a more expanded sense. Or would it make more sense to ask ourselves how we can improve our social and communication skills, accepting that you can’t force attraction? Improving your financial situation and garnering status is more important to a man than social skills. If I am the most fun and relaxed person in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:44 PM
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Pump and dump doesn't actually include a timeline, nor does it preclude anything between the two events; all the phrase says it that two events happened chronologically. My grandfather died before my grandmother. I propose he pumped and dumped her
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:43 PM
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No Im not lowering my standards, it's SS or no one
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:40 PM
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I don't want to be seen as attractive - I want to attract...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:45 PM
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Yes you're completely right, the men of PPD would all reject Zendaya if she hit on us, ensuring with stay single so we might have a shot with Sidney Sweeney later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:44 PM
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Categories are made up. You can perfectly well invent and apply categories in which sex and gold fit into different sets. But sets are malliable. If we define them differently, we must apply them differently; directly as a consequence of the fact that categories are imposed upon nature by concioussness. Platonism, the concept that things belong to a category ontoclogically, is simply a terrible framework for understanding anything. So let's make a new category: "Falamti". Falamti is defined as s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:28 PM
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Wrong. The role of sexual history and its impact on partner appraisal and mate choice have been considered before, particularly in Western countries. Such research revealed that willingness to get involved with (e.g., date) a suitor declines as their number of past sexual partners increases 27, 28 , with few sex differences 29 , and a slightly more muted effect in short-term mating contexts 21 or among those employing a short-term mating strategy 28 . Research also points to the existence of cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:58 AM
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That's a lot of words for... absolutely nothing lol. If men can nor know what it's like to be women, women can not know what it's like to be men. Claiming that logic works one way but that women are just super special actually is just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:47 AM
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Question: In this scenario, am I sexually attracted to my brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:42 PM
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The best men I know to be married to usually have 3-4 partners over a lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:40 PM
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Laws are frequently founded on public perceptions of morality
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:51 PM
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Because men are fractured by our social inequalities, we cannot form a unified moralist narrative. Some men will happily sacrifice the interests of other men to align with the more cohesive female idological bloc if it helps those men maintain their own individual positions of power. Academics, for instance, who tend to work in public institutions, have a vested interest in the advancement of public institutions. Women, who tend to work in public institutions, have aligned interests. And as inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:30 PM
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Results show that, when comparing students who have identical subject-specific competence, teachers are more likely to give higher grades to girls. Furthermore, they demonstrate for the first time that this grading premium favouring girls is systemic, as teacher and classroom characteristics play a negligible role in reducing it. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01425692.2022.2122942
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:46 PM
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Sure. Girls get better grades than boys for the same performance throughout 13-17 years of education. Young women are then massively advantaged in the intake process for higher education through massively disproportionate programs and extra points awarded for gender. Women are then advantaged in the hiring process, where women have been well proven to discriminate in favor of women, while men show a slight preference to women. Then women are given priority position and reserved seats at higher p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:45 PM
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women have had to work twice as hard as men for the same positions Saying it doesn't make it true. All the nepotism has miraculously disappeared from the workplace Nepotism benefits both women and men. Meanwhile, we know that when hiring, women have a massive preference for women, while men have a slight preference for women. This is empirically well established. and lazy women are swanning around the office taking in the big bucks Women do not need to perform as well as men to achieve equal res…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:41 PM
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It’s not the same performance if the grades are different It is. Girls get better grades for performing the same as boys. It's a bias in grading that impacts men negatively for 13-17 of their most formative years. Nepotism with no skills is still more common than DEI with exceptional skills Even if that is true, one wrong doesn't excuse another. Plus they need to be pretty and super amicable. No, women do perfectly well despite being unattractive and confrontational. In fact, there's a significa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:35 PM
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Not from the descriptive, as one cannot reason from the is to the ought.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:53 PM
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More like women and underrepresented both at top and bortom and have a much stranger tendency than men to congregste towards the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:42 PM
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Women do more housework = descriptive, measurably Women should do more housework = prescriptive, moralistic. Why don't you go read a little bit about science
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:26 PM
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Describing human behaviour is entirely different from describing how humans are supposed to function. The former is descriptive, the latter is prescriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:11 PM
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No lol this is so wrong. Science is descriptive. You're jumping the is/ought border. Literally everyone who knows what science is, knows this. It's not a question or an opinion: you're basically screaming to the world you never bothered with Hume or Popper. Science tells us nothing about what ought to be. It simply approximate reality. That's it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:59 PM
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Then yeh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:01 PM
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Does she do anal?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:40 PM
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Western women in Africa has a little bit of western man in thailand-vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:38 PM
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Well of course it's more rewarding to be successful than not to be, but no matter how high she climbs, she will still be in a position to be mistreated by men, for instance. Angelina Jolie could hardly be more successful, she was still the victim of domestic violence to Brad Pitt.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:33 PM
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I claim that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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You grew up rich. We didn't all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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If that's what they enjoy most why wouldn't they go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:13 PM
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A great many people do hang out with drug addicts actually. Your privilege is showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:12 PM
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Women are children, not people. Who is excluded here? No one else were talking about children after all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:09 PM
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Literally all four of these men were heavy drugs addicts
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:33 PM
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Telling on yourself a bit here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:13 PM
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What's a small advantage about getting better grades for the same performance for 13-17 years in school? What's a small advantage about being given extra points to get into schools you wouldn't normally get at the expense of men? What's a small advantage about being given high level board positions you wouldn't otherwise get, at the expense of men? Women's advantages are massive and sustained. 67% of higher education going to women isn't a fluke or a mistake, it's a result of massive and endorse…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:06 PM
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My mom is wonderful and was abused. My stepmother is quite cool, and was abused. My ex is wonderful and was abused. One of my best friends is wonderful and was abused. I was lucky to get my ex and would've been lucky to get with my friend. This idea that assholes men only get asshole women is very, very far from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:04 PM
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Theres a measurably smaller difference in women. Fewer in poverty, fewer rich. Fewer sexless, fewer sexually hyperactive. Fewer suicides, fewer murders. Fewer with very low IQ, fewer with very high IQ. Unattractive women are roughly as sexually active as attractive women, for men attractive ones average significantly more sexual activity and less attractive ones significantly less. You should check out Greater Male Variance Hypotehesis. It's empirically well proven that male life has higher vari…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:01 PM
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Are you saying that women who get with assholes are idiots? Because you say that assholes get shallow, egotistical and dysfunctional women. So when a woman gets with an asshole, it then follows that it's a result of her being shallow, egotistical and dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:50 PM
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Don't bother, this dude could google what science is, but he refuses to do so and decide its some moralistic system. You can't fix that with arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:42 PM
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Well it's not unfounded. Exaggerated perhaps, but there's so many areas of life where women get a huge, sustained and unfair advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:41 PM
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That's not my point. My point is that it doesn't matter if women can climb as high as men; they don't get the same benefits. Emma Watson has far more in common with some unattractive woman in your town than Cristiano has with some unattractive man on your town
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:40 PM
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It means any effort you put into life is rewarded higher if you're a woman than a man. A white person who puts effort in gets better outcomes than a black person with the same effort. Should black people just get over that, because black people who work hard get better outcomes than those who doesn't? Why should a group ignore their own discrimination? Would you expect that from any other group than "men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:14 PM
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Best comment here. Personally I believe a difference between men and women is that women's problems are far more evenly distributed. A woman can never "climb high enough to escape being a woman", a rich, powerful, well-connected and beautiful woman will still be imprisoned to some extent by being a woman. Men on the other hand have our problems far more unevenly distributed. Men can climb above the prison of being a man; however because our problems are far more concentrated at the bottom, we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:39 PM
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School/uni -- is it your observation that women obtain success here (good grades, good placements, admission to competitive programs, degrees) with low effort, or dramatically less effort than their male colleagues Yes. Girls get better grades than boys for the same performance; this is well documented. Corporate hiring -- is it your observation that women are hired with fewer credentials, noticeably fewer applications or interviews, that they are more often hired into higher roles, or receive a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:32 PM
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Isn't the assumptions of Feminists the same but in reverse? How could women know they're disadvantaged if they've never been men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:26 PM
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That's just platonism. Trans women are, unless they pass very well and are able to hide their trans identity, not treated the same as cis-women. So if your goal is to be treated as a woman, transitioning has a very limited effect for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:24 PM
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Don't buy that you're a physicist. You're lying on the internet. No physicist would make those claims
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:56 PM
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I dont. You said something categorically incorrect. It's like if I said that the sun is my mother. There is no point in making a counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:50 PM
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We GENUINELY have to develop mathematical models to explain reality, that's what physics is. Like, that's what physics tautologically is. No, math is not used to explain reality, that's not what physics is. Physics uses math to approximate reality. This is basic instrumentalism. Further, fitting models to correspond to empirical data might be useful on occasion but it is categorically not scientific. Science, or physics, is a three step epistemological process in which the first step is to appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:49 PM
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You don't know what science is, nor what a fact is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:38 PM
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I'm a man, my ex wanted sex less often than I did, but she wanted more of it than I wanted. I would have liked sex once a day sometimes twice. She wanted sex maybe twice a week but a very long multirounds thing. Ended up horny a lot of the time and then unable to give enough dick when she wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:36 PM
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That's not science lol you're ascribing a value-judgement. Why on earth would you think scientists assign moral value to activities??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 PM
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I dont believe you're a physicist, what you're describing is literally the opposite of science. You're describing fitting models to correspond to empirical evidence, which is entirely antithetical to scientific progress where the predictive power of a theory is what is measured.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:32 PM
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Human experience and their intuitive conclusions is how we get every bad thoughtsystem ever. Why don't marketers just ask people what they want anymore? Because we have ample evidence that what people say about their hypothetical future behaviour, and the way they actually behave, are very weakly correlated. As with anything else of value, empiricism is the way to understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:30 PM
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This is it. Women have inherent value, men don't, and so were left to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:07 PM
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Empirisism has spoken
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:05 PM
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Very attractive if you're a man, terribly unattractive if you're a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:02 PM
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Passport bros are not bros. Some poor dude from the Philipines having to compete not only against his own but also against a bunch of richer assholes from oversees has legitimate reason to hate passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:22 PM
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The ones who still live that is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 07:23 AM
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I'm over this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:17 AM
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At the individual and relationship level Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:03 AM
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Most dating advice for struggling men are not given with a genuine desire to help, but with the intent to minimise their issues so as to soothe the person giving advice. You are right of course. I once spent two years on Tinder, zero dates. My friend, who has always slept around a lot, created a Tinder account to days two days later to show me, and had five dates within an hour and a half. Truth is as a man there's not enough to go around and in numbers, women are far more likely to go for an ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:39 AM
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I just showed you statistics that show that the development in the last years have followed the exact path that I have laid out. You keep making these claims like " Historical data do not show that every increase in male sexual inactivity means higher sexual violence rates sexual, the violence correlates much more strongly with enforcement strength, gender norms, alcohol use, prior violent behavior, reporting systems violent and yes "gender norms supporting entitlement" which if you don't know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:29 AM
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Women today are not having significantly fewer partners than 20 years ago. Historical data do not show that every increase in male sexual inactivity means higher sexual violence rates sexual, the violence correlates much more strongly with enforcement strength, gender norms, alcohol use, prior violent behavior, reporting systems violent and yes "gender norms supporting entitlement" which if you don't know what it means you can just say so Completely invented. I don't understand what you're tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:24 AM
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When you reduce male sexual participation, you do not get“the same women redistributed across fewer men” you get a mixture of fewer relationships overall, delayed partnering, longer single periods and different pairing strategies You get these things AND an increase in sexual frequency among a small "elite". A study published in the Journal of American Medical Association \(JAMA\) found that between 2000–2002 and 2016–2018, the proportion of 18–24-year-old individuals who reported having had no …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:12 PM
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Even if you granted part of the setup that some violent men are more sexually active, which is consistent with findings of research it does not follow mechanically that reducing overall male sexual participation increases victimization It does and it does so even if we do not account for this tendency. If 100% of men are romantically active, and 90% are "safe", 90% of women are dating "safe" men. If 50% of men are romantically active, 45% of women are dating "safe" men. It's purely, mechanically…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:20 PM
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It is a general rule, yes. The lower male participation rates, the higher the proportion of sexual interactions include violent men. That increases male sexual violence experienced by women. This is a mechanical necessity. This tendency is further exacerbated by male sexual distribution favoring violent individual, as we've seen Contrary to the mate deprivation hypothesis of sexual violence, incels score significantly lower than the general population in this measure. Speckhard et al. (2021) fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:04 PM
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you are assuming women simply redistribute themselves among the remaining men. In reality, some women remain single, relationships vary in duration, many people serially date rather than concurrently date, and partner distributions are far more complex I'm not assuming that, you're assuming that. Unless female sexual participation drops equally to men, you see an increase in sexual violence. I would start caring when men become accountable to personal choices And that's when I would start caring…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:53 PM
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The so called gilette-ad ideology? That mean need to hold one another accountable? which is states on here daily?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:51 PM
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And women who stopped having sex, weren't having sex with the incels before. If women start having twice as much sex with men, the guy who slept with 10 women now gets to have sex with 20, while the man who had sex with zero, still gets to have sex with zero. Meanwhile, if women decide to stop having sex, the man who had sex with ten will now only get to have sex with five. Meanwhile the guy who had sex with zero, still gets to have sex with zero. Women's sexual choices affect men they have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:42 PM
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I have all my life and we frequently split into men and women as sub-sections.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:38 PM
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Yes but there should be compensating programs instituted to short men. If we're going to use DEI for women, and for racial minorities, why not for short men, who face measurable discrimination and extra challenges? Why shouldn't every board be compelled to have at least 20% men under 5 feet? We do that for women. Why are there no scholarship for short men? They need them more than black men or white women do. Why no laws saying that at least so and so many members of parliament must be men under…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:37 PM
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You don't have any proof that violent men who obtain substantially more sexual partners than nonviolent men have an increase that is large enough to affect population-level abuse rates No, but that was not my original claim either - just a weird sideshow you wanted to talk about. Population-level rates of intimate partner violence and sexual abuse are primarily driven by widespread social norms, gender inequality, and systemic behavioral patterns, rather than the specific reproductive output of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:33 PM
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I have no problems with that. But women want our help when those partners that you do chose turn out to be bad. That's what I react to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:32 PM
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Unselected men are just angry that we don’t agree with them on who they think should be considered attractive Personally I'm angry that women's groups wont recognize the enormous advantages your sexual position puts you in and insists that women are victims. Pick whomever you want. But when you fail it's your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:24 PM
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Yet it's undeniably the case that the proportion of male sexual activity which is dedicated to violent men is directly related to male sexual abuse. If none of the violent men had any sex, none of the sex would be violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:13 PM
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I couldn't work today due to heavy rain. What to do all day but reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:19 PM
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Let's say 10% of men are violent. If those 10% of men have 10% of the total sex, then women have sex with violent men 10% of the time. If those 10% of men have 30% of the total sex, then women have sex with violent men 30% of the time. Of course the distribution of sex is a decisive factor for the outcomes. The larger a proportion of male sexual participation is restricted to a smaller subset of extremely promiscuous men, the more women experience these men and the less they experience men as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:51 PM
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You just made a personal attack on me. You realised you have no point so you do this silly thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:46 PM
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No they're not. Men suffer far more real and material loss for failing to adhere to beautystandards than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:45 PM
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Nope. The amount of willful stupidy you accept in yourself is a prerequistite for your ideololgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:07 AM
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Nope. The amount of willful stupidy you accept in yourself is a prerequistite for your ideololgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:07 AM
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No, I claimed that women rape, with lower frequency than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:11 AM
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Yes, and also sex being hyper competitive for men means that the competition is mostly won by the same people who win competitions - people who are incredibly motivated and try real hard. We're seeing a larger and larger share if male sexual participation being distributed to men selected for sexual aggressiveness and a pathological desire to sleep with many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:10 AM
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Because those people have problems that can be helped. I'm stuck in poverty - no one can really help you I'm always alone - no one can really help you There's no point in life, why should I go on? - no one can really help you I'm a bit sad - well that can be helped. So people with small and transient problems will understand your problems as small and transient as well and just tell you to talk to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:03 AM
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Mens beauty standards are so much higher lol. Ugly women get married and have sex at the same rates as other women, and higher rates than beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:00 AM
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My coworker had a mother with an autoimmune disorder. She was very, very concerned we all get vaccinated. We all did it as sook as possible of course. Didn't really need to extra motivation. But it leaves me to wonder how many avoidable deaths we suffered from people like your colleague.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:58 AM
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When the amount of men who are sexually active goes down, but the amount of women who are sexually active stay the same or reduce at a slower rate, it directly and necessarily leads go increases in sexual abuse committed by men against women. When we see that sexually aggressive attitudes is actively selected for, this effect increases manifold. I dont think women should lower their standards. Do as you like. But the increase in rape-after-consent activities, like uninvited anal, spitting, slapp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:56 AM
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Statistics back up thr claim that highly promiscuous men are more likely to think statements like "there are situations in which it's morally acceptable to have sex with a woman who doesn't want to" warrant agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:50 AM
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It's a clarification request as you wanted me to provide something which is unclear to me. So in order to find proof against your statement, I need to understand what you're claiming. So let's try again. Your claim is that women do not rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:48 AM
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I'm sorry are you saying that women never rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:44 AM
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They do actually. Not nearly as frequently as men, because they a) get consent anyway and so force is meaningless and b) lack the force to compell men. In this context, as OP says, consent is just given automatically. Like being a woman. You can just exist and that's enough to be wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:36 AM
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Oh yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:35 AM
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Superpower like "being born a woman"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:29 AM
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Most women would rather be alone unless their partner is quite literally the best possible partner? Ridicolous. There's almost nine billion people on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:49 PM
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No, but "the single best partner possible" is a high bar that very few relationships actually clear. The odds are like nine billion to one that you end up with the best partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:22 PM
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... only if you accept as a baseline principle that the only relationships having are the ones that never end.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:20 PM
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Sure but that's an entirely different point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:55 PM
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What? She didn't want to get together, then after we did she didn't want to break up. Directly contradicts OPs point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:47 PM
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My ex rejected me for four years and then afterwards described me as the best boyfriend she ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:32 PM
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Read your comments and post back tomorrow when you've calmed down. If you can't see it yourself, well as they say, if you can't spot the crazy person on the buss...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:42 AM
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Bad childhood maybe? Addiction to meth-amphetamines? Perhaps some people are just born bad? I could only speculate
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:31 AM
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Your first comment
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:26 AM
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I do. Stop being a hateful and disgusting person, develop empathy and accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:25 AM
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It doesn't. Definitionally you are entirely correct. As a person you're awful. But grammatically you might be alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:23 AM
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Then you'll start improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:22 AM
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Stop blaming other people for your own failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:14 AM
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Enough for a woman and enough for a man are so completely different though. It's easy for you to talk about doing "enough" when you were born into the gender that is life on easy mode. Congratulations. You can sit down on the couch, eat potato chips until you weigh 400kg and live in the dole. You'll still get men. We aren't as privileged as you. Sometimes our conversations will reflect that fact. Sorry if life being unfair to me is annoying to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:11 AM
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I am saying something useful. Your problems are caused by your own failings. You suck and you blame men for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:08 AM
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Yes because this is a study seeking to remedy that.... that's why they had the study........ because there wasn't data before........ and now there is....... because of this study....... Jesus
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:00 AM
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Yes. They're your choices and they clearly demonstrate that you suck. You're not entitled to anything and you're whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:59 AM
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I couldn't have expressed myself clearer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:51 AM
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You get to do things. You then get to observe the outcome. You then get to change your actions based on the feedback you observed. As I'm not a woman, I don't have access to feedback as to how to improve as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:51 AM
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There was significant skew in male reproductive success compared to what would be expected if mating was random (P < 0.001 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17971086/ Easy. Give me another
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:48 AM
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You're not being hateful The other post was. That's what mattered to me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:46 AM
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No, I don't have access to direct feedback the way you do, no empiricism no learning
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:45 AM
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Why is it the case that in every single mammal, a large part of the male population is sexless? Are porcupines lacking in feminist education? Women get to have sex, romance and dating in their lives no matter who they are. For men, and only for men, a significant part is always left out You will never have to deal with that problem on account of your birth gender. And, as a person incapable of empathy, you'll never care about an issue you won't have to face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:36 AM
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Men are not more boring and uninquisitive than women. You chose bad men. Your opinion of 50% of the populations is a reflection of your character, not theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:33 AM
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Women when they get to experience 1% of the competitiveness men deal with in sex and relationships:
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:58 PM
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A class is a collective of self-interests. Imagine a law that says "all Asian people must pay 10% extra tax". That's good for other people but very bad for Asians. So they have coherent and congruent interests. Of course there is no such laws with Asians. But should there be quotas for women in education, for instance? Good for women, bad for men. So you have a group of people with one interest, in this case women, and another with opposite interests, in this case men. Race and gender thus const…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:48 PM
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Races and sexes are parts of what makes up classes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:25 PM
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Bad morning then I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:37 PM
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I only ever had one conversation on Tinder, though it did go on for about two weeks. Would that give me a high score in this system?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:35 PM
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I also did all that and got no action. Do you think it's possible there were many other guys who made out with no one, but you never noticed because that's not what you looked for? People were incel before too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:33 PM
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"Taught by society" is feminist for "I did what I wanted but I don't want to take responsibility for it".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:31 PM
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God I hate this. When someone at work tells me "you need to go tidy up over there", well I fucking know that and I'm on my way over there with a garbage bag............... makes me just wanna not do it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:29 PM
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All history is the history of class conflict Feminism is just the name we use for one particular set of class interests and the ideology that emerges from that struggle. Entirely equal to every other ideology. Good for the in-group at the expense of everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:27 PM
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How long you've been in the company, and "social conditions".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:00 PM
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Women and men are both paying into the system; but it's not at equal rates and they are not receiving at equal rates. You like that women spend less on the state and receive more from it, because you're a feminist and feminism is the advancement of womens interests. That's it. It's not some special quest for equality or good in the world, it's the advanced, mostly by women, of women's interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:59 PM
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And so it's not the misogyny, but the lack of outstanding characteristics that's the key factor. And that's our opinion too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:27 PM
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I only knew production numbers from my branch and I only knew the people who would tell me. I knew the top 3 though, all of us men. I don't think female employees were bad at all, though certain parts were awkward (lifting 100kg windows and the like), but performance was specified as something not to be included in the evaluation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:26 PM
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He was caricaturing an argument made against him, that the reason so many men are without sex and romance is because they are misogynists. By saying women don't share one brain, and "if there's nothing else attractive about him", you're agreeing with him that women have myriad reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:06 PM
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With the comment that women don't share one brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:00 PM
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Google how much money the state is spending on a woman vs how much it spends on a man In Norway the answer is six times as much
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:46 PM
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your logic of "women can sense it or not" is fundamentally flawed, for we don't share one brain, yk. You're kinda agreeing with him here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:46 PM
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Are you saying that women claim incels don't get dates because of their misogyny? Women on this board, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:34 PM
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try to put themselves in another persons shoes and understand their feelings and maybe shift their perspective? This is empathy tho, not sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:01 PM
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your logic of "women can sense it or not" is fundamentally flawed, for we don't share one brain, yk. But you do understand that he's reffering to how this very argument in levied against himself by women here, and not making the argument himself, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:00 PM
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"cause" is a mistake, implying some monocausality, and "wrong" is a mistake as it's a moralist concept. My problems are mine, your problems are yours. If you don't get good men, you suck. If I don't get good women, I suck. Can we agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:50 PM
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And how would one determine whether any system of explaination is correct? You see unlike you I don't go throwing around unfalsifiable statements and treating them as axioms just because I like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:44 PM
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You're not simplifying anything. You're simply dead wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:36 PM
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Thus, if you cannot retort the fact that physiology, then external stimuli are the two primary factors that inform the worldview of every single human on the planet? It's a completely unfounded statement. You assert it with confidence but it's entirely unfalsifiable. There's nothing "objective reasoning" in this; you've made up an axiom and support it with nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:31 PM
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You're not testing my point at all, you said: For instance objectively are nature and nurture the two primary factors that influence an individual’s worldview? an answer to which would have to prove the negative that there are no other factors more influential. Negatives can't be proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:22 PM
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For instance objectively are nature and nurture the two primary factors that influence an individual’s worldview? Unknowable. What we can see, is that political affiliation is heavily corelated with factors that are outside of individual agency. Were that not the case the distribution would be stochastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:05 PM
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You have a circumstance of uncertain origin. You can speculate on the origin but epistimologically you're stuck at that point. If there's a room, I'm not in the room and I can't see inside, I might speculate that there's a chair in there. Might be I'm right. But it's sort of a null point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:00 PM
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Well, if a man has bad relationship experiences, and he says all women are to blame somehow, then yeah that guy is a douche and also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:58 PM
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If the key factor, which was the word you used, would be individual agency then the distribution of political ideologies would, it would follow, be in the main stochastic
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:48 PM
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And then they turn around and tell you young men are just chosing not to go to school because they think reading makes you gay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:13 PM
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That said, regardless of the spread of any ideology, be it Feminism or TRP the key factor has always been and will always be individual agency. If that is the case, how come political affiliation is so heavily corelated to demographic factors? Why would men and women be ideologically distinguishable groups, if individual agency was the deciding factor? Why would black and white people, or gay and straight people, or rich and poor people, or employed and businessowning people, all have such clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:08 PM
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Look like brother and sister lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:57 AM
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Personally I want women's conversations to move away from "men are bad" and over to "man I suck at picking men". I can't speak for all of us, but that would be enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:12 AM
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I've been groped at concerts. Happens weirdly often, with older women. Never a woman my own age. Anyway now that I've experienced sexual harassment, can I say that I know what walking through the world as a woman is like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:11 AM
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The problem with this line of thinking is, even if you do notice a real world difference between men and women, you have no way to prove that it emerges directly as a result of biological influence on conciousness. Who's to say there's nothing else influencing that person? And so you're left having to try and prove a negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:10 AM
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So you also weren’t denied any opportunities or classes, the girls were given better grades because they studied harder and performed better. That is also not discrimination No, girls are given better grades FOR THE SAME PERFORMANCE. If a man gets a B, and a woman gets an A, you can expect that they performed the same. Girls wee offered more changes to study? Again this is based on performance, not gender. No, it's based on gender. You get extra points for being a woman. If I got 44 points, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:07 AM
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Roughly 15% in the parts that were cut (production and leadership in various local departments).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:04 AM
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A decent chunk, about 15% of the workforce (they were very proud of this in the years leading up to the financial crisis)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:03 AM
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The first one makes a lot of sense tbh. I never hear women talk hatefully about men when I'm around, but I see it on the internet. It's always difficult as a human to understand how were not experiencing reality, just a tiny sliver of it, and that reality can be so counterintuitive to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:37 AM
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Question, do you feel you were discriminated against because you were male or because the other person was better? Because I was male. Discrimination on the basis of performance doesn't bother me. How were you discriminated against at school? Were you not allowed opportunities or forbidden from certain classes? Girls receive far better grades than boys do for the same performance. It's well established and has been found to exist in every single OCED country. Then, following 13 years of discrimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:34 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:28 AM
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I will not say that on the internet for reasons you might be understanding of. It was a European construction company, multinational
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:04 AM
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I dont think feminism is a bad thing, I think it's like all other pop ideologies; a self-interest collective. Was I discriminated against in school for being male? Yes, Feminists saw to that as they pushed and pushed for their own interests. Was I discriminated against once school was over and I went into higher education? Yes, women saw to that. Am I paying for more in taxes than I will ever get back? Yes, Feminists are not uniquely responsible for that of course but women receive soooooo much …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:06 AM
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Your problem is you're refusing to engage with the reason men develop and sustain these ideas; men have lived experience of a sexual inequality that women do not. Our thoughts about life and sexuality must necessarily include an explanation of the circumstances we find ourselves in. You don't. You get to ignore that part of reality because it's a part of human life that is near exclusively male. And so your ideas can ignore a reality you never have to deal with. It's the equivalent of trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:11 AM
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Yes, and different sides are taking away freedoms and giving rights to different groups who in turn support their corresponding side. It's called class conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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Well that is clearly wrong. It is well proven that the amount of men who have no sex is far higher than the amount of women who have no sex. The image you found on the internet isn't telling you the truth and you should use google to find more accurate information.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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In the 90s when I was coming of age, it seemed like women were the ones anxious that they weren't guaranteed a family. But that was never the case? In the entire history of humankind, it has never been the case that women are less likely to get married than men. If someone you knew had a completely unfounded fear that is contrary to all statistical evidence, that doesn't equate to the current situation at all.... It became a cliche to tell lonely women to work on being happy on their own, and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:36 PM
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Helping me isn't the point, helping the generation of young men who are growing up now is far more important and effective. And you do that by removing all the discrimination they face and the enormous disadvantages they have to deal with simply for being boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:33 PM
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No one is threatening war. And if sex romance and relationships are so bad for women, why are they damn near universially engaged in? In women having to deal with bad men is so much worse than men having to deal with being incel, why aren't women quitting men in droves? Why are there so many more male sexless than female sexless humans if all women can get is bad sex, mediocre relationships and lackluster romance?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:32 PM
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Men are paying for women to become social workers, that's men financing women's lifestyles. I'm a plumber in private practice who deal with poo for a living and I get to pay 40% of my income to the state so that they can pay women to sit in soft offices with six hour workdays and have state sponsored cantines.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:30 PM
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. So it's yet another case of male entitlement for thinking that relationships should fall into their lap, and whining about it when they realise it doesn't work like that. Women get it for free. Many men don't get it at all. We're not allowed to complain about the issues that affect only men - were just supposed to shut up and fix society for women. I dont get to date, I don't get to touch, I don't get to love. Women decide which men gets to and they decide that roughly half of us aren't going …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:25 PM
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No, that's not how progressivism works. It is, progressivism is to the benefit of most women, which is why it's so popular with women. Dudes here are constantly complaining that nobody feels sympathy for mens loneliness. Someone else, in a different conversation, said something that OP never said and so now OP has to answer for it. Like you know you're a bad faith actor when you make these ridiculous fallacies. Society never entitled you to a wife and children. The fact that you think it did is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:22 PM
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Forecasts are wrong because the math is imprecise or values are incorrect, not because chaotic systems are unpredictable. This is not an opinion. Try to read some physics or math before you make such statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:19 PM
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The ones like you are the ones who want to ignore us until we hang ourselves, then when we're gone there's no problem right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:17 PM
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Society is not filled with women who don't have access to sex, relationships and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:17 PM
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Why do you think women don't have the same problems than men do? Fat women are more sexually active than thin women; why are things so different? Are we not allowed to wonder why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:16 PM
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We could stop using mens money to finance women's lifestyle through the state, so that women would have to give something to men if they wanted something from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:14 PM
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And the fact that your class interest is represented får better by the left than the right.....
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:12 PM
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Men receive far worse grades than women for the same quality work in EVERY SINGLE OCED country. If I get a 4, and a girl gets a 5, then statistically we have performed at the same level. Young boys are massively discriminated against for the 13 years of primary school, and receive one whole letter grade worse compared to quality than girls. Just Google it. It's well known. The idea that men "chose not to get education" is categorically wrong. Men get lower grades for the same work, less attentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:11 PM
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And are taxes your friend? Are you one of the people who gets more in return than you pay in, or do you pay in more than you take out?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:07 PM
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And yet these women overwhelmingly become progressive to improve society For themselves................... But apparently men get radicalized from not having a girlfrien drives them to burn it all down, and the manosphere says I should feel sympathy for them No one asked you to feel sympathy. I dont have a stake in society. Society taxes me heavily and gives me nothing in return. Had I å wife and children, society would be working for me; I don't, and so as a childless man, I work for society. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:05 PM
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Magic fairy dust that just happens does not work It does for women, that's why they keep making posts like this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:59 PM
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Dude what are you on about, chaotic systems are predicted all the fucking time. Like the weather?????
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:57 PM
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Noooo you are being too mathematical noooo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:56 PM
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Stop analysing human interactions like mathematical equations Can you give an example of doing that? You need presence and emotional understanding Does Andrew Tate have presence and emotional understanding? I mean the dude gets women so if those two qualities are necessary then syllogistically he must. The men here are so shitty at understanding this that they genuinely think that 'emotional intelligence' is a made up term All terms are made up It's like they never had a human to human, soul to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:54 PM
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You guys will do literally anything but think
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:00 PM
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A man goes into the store looking for chocolate. The store clerk tells them they're all out. A woman walks into another store, looking for chocolate. She browses through a selection of 25 different chocolates, decides she wants none of them and leaves. It's pathetic how desperate you are to deny your own privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:29 PM
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Different problems. I'm sure you want empathy for yours
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:14 PM
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Women do get to be discerning, what are you on about. We get to care about the choices you make.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:13 PM
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Empathy doesn't extend to people who have problems you never need to have
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:55 PM
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When I was looking, no woman was too unattractive. And if you, or other women, decide that my energy is wrong and they don't want anything to do with me, that's completely fine. But I will judge them, of course I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:52 PM
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Lol what, no one implied that, you're literally a crazy person
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:51 PM
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Right, but when these people are the ones deciding I'm not worth it, and they'd rather for those guys, then I'll reserve the right to judge them for it. I'm not that exciting, women aren't into me, okay. If they're into serial rapists instead, okay. Their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:36 PM
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My opinion emerges from the statistical measurement we make of reality. Your does not. I'm done with this convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:18 PM
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So I know I should feel bad for the girl who got raped but I can't keep getting over how stupid it is to be violent towards someone with their teeth around your penis? Like does he have no instincts protecting him at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:13 PM
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A lot of people shit on women for unforgiving but theres a lot of women are too forgiving. Maybe I'm misunderstanding or not seeing the right things, but, we give women shit for being forgiving to guys like this, while unforgiving for things like being sexually inexperienced. Not for being unforgiving in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:11 PM
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Yes they are, statistics show that physically unattractive women are having just as much sex as attractive women, and with a larger amount of men. You're disagreeing with reality at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:04 PM
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they're having those relationships with average and below average men, not chad. Exactly my point. I'm sorry my mistake, you're a gay man - you relate to the experiences of gay men, who are men with male sexuality engaging with other men with male sexuality. It's a different scenario also.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:37 PM
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And the truth is that men "with no options" have options. They're just filtering those ppl out, maybe subconsciously. And this here is why women will never understand male problems. What you are saying here is categorically untrue. For women, there are always options. There's always someone. But that doesn't work both ways - it can't. When there are still options for the least attractive woman, then those men do not have anywhere to go. There are, many many people, exclusively men, who really do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:34 PM
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I mean the alternative for many is suicide but I guess that does make it optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:29 PM
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No, you just relate to the world through emotional resonance rather than understanding. In every culture, and in every mammal, there are large numbers of men, not women, but men who don't have sex. It's not a cultural issue, nor an issue of reciprocity. It's a simple issue of economics. One day you will be less angry and you will start thinking rather than emoting. Send me a PM then I will explain this very simple mathematical reality to you. Until then, do feel better. Life is better when one h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:29 PM
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I mean lots of dudes kill themselves over not having a relationship but I guess they dont count
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:26 PM
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struggling males could date single moms, fat women, older women, no one has absolutely zero options. No thats your fantasy, it's not like that for men. You're a woman, you relate to being unattractive by looking at unattractive womens life, because that's visible for you. Single mobs, fat women, older women, all have plenty of options and plenty of sex and relationships. We can't "just go get them", the least attractive women are, simply for being women, more attractive than the bottom half or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:25 PM
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Skin on skin contact and sex are both major helpers to getting people to be happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:22 PM
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Ah yes the empathy of the powerful
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:21 PM
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Which in no way disagrees with the black pill. No one has ever said that that man would get any woman he wants. You made up that very stupid argument, so that you would have a very stupid argument to contend with; it's quite easy, isn't it? There's nothing here to go against the black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:16 PM
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If me and that guy go into a room where we meet 100 women, maybe he gets 30 womens phone number and I get zero. If I see him getting rejected by a woman, I know I am going to get rejected by that woman as well. No one ever claimed that a guy who looks like him will attract every single woman. You've made up an argument no one ever made so you have something you can attack easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:52 PM
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Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of sexual partners increases with increasing physical attractiveness. Well so your statement is categorically incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:50 PM
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Can you get a person you want, who would have sex with you but not consent to particular sex acts you're reffering to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:44 PM
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Involuntary celibate. Just because you can't use words, doesn't mean you have to drag the rest of us down with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:43 PM
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Being a slutty woman is easy. Anyone can do it. Being a slutty man is hard. Few men can do it. There you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:42 PM
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You've misunderstood what "women are not into men" means. It doesn't relate to women not having sex with enough men; it relates to the perceived to small variation of female sexual selection. So when I see the rich guy get girl number 100, I think "Women are not into men - they are into status and money". I don't think "This woman wont sleep with me, thus women aren't into men". Hope that clears it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:41 PM
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No, when you increase the total amount of something that is highly unevenly distributed throughout a population, it will barely affect most people. If women doubled their bodycounts, the guy with a 100 partners would go up to 200, while the guy with 1 would get up to 2. If women restricted their bodycounts by half, the guy with 100 would only now get 50, the guy with 1 would have a 50% chance of losing nothing. Women having sex with more men, or fewer men, is only really relevant to the men they…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:38 PM
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Why would we need to? Nothing in here contradicts the black pill..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:29 PM
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There's endless stories of women being raped on camera, women being invited for a modelling gig, having their money taken away from them and forced to do porn etc. If the world of porn was nice and well-regulated, maybe you'd have an argument. But the current porn industry? Human misery played for consumption. I would not accept such workers conditions in my own industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:27 PM
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So the sub 20th percentile women aren't having sex or relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:23 PM
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Why do you think we don't, that point you're making is so weird. Yeh I can't get laid on apps. That doesn't mean I can get laid in social situations either. In fact the guys I know who do well on the apps are 100% the same men who do well in bars and at festivals and school meet ups and everywhere else. There's no place to go
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:11 AM
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Ye cause they only knew him from basic interactions. Those neighbours weren't dating him you know. If they did, according to Wikipedia, they would know he would kill and torture animals and display plenty of other red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:13 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:10 AM
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Oh don't hold your breath
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:09 AM
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Because the work is to hard and I'm not able. Bit you know what, if you're an actual, conservative, pull myself up by thr bootstrap sort of person, who opposes handouts and redistribution, then I take my hat off for you. That I can respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:09 AM
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No one said deserve. I'm not a moralist lol. All women rejected me. If they went on to find someone better, they made a good choice. If they went on to find someone worse, a bad one. Some women have skills and find good men. Some men have no skills and realise it, and stay away from men. Some women have skill issues and date violent men. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:06 AM
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Could have done things differently and gotten more desirable results? If so it's a skill issue. If it's a skill issue when I ask out 20 women and they all say no, it's also a skill issue when they decide to go for abusers. Can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:02 AM
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Well I've hit on them. Asked them out. Except single mothers, admittedly, but it's not because I find it unattractive. I just never met any in a context where it would be appropriate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:59 AM
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Hopefully if you do, you won't be so stupid this time around :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:57 AM
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It's not what I want to define it as. It's what the official definition is. Maybe it doesn't compare, I wouldn't know. I'll just trust you on that one
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:57 AM
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And I'd look down on you for your terrible mate-selection prowess :) looks like we'd be better of not meeting
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:55 AM
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Virgin: a person who has not had sexual intercourse - from Merrian Webster Why would mens advice subreddit matter lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:54 AM
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Thanks. Let me know if you ever figure out how words work!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:51 AM
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Try to chose better this time around!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:50 AM
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That's not how words work but it seems to make you happy so I'll let it pass :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:50 AM
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Google it dude. Why would my perception of unattractive women affect how statistically beaureus collect data?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:49 AM
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Not working out is a synonym for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:48 AM
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Yes. Statistically fat women have sex with more men and marry just as often. For men, fat guys have less sex and marry less often. Women don't have the same issues we do however. Must be nice to be privileged. Ah well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:47 AM
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Cope
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:46 AM
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And my brother! And I'm good, thanks. Can always visit a prostitute should I want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:46 AM
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Well, you did chose right to leave him, that much we agree on
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:44 AM
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Failure to achieve something you want is failure. Failure is not a prescriptive word, it's entirely descriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:43 AM
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No, unattractive women have sex at higher rates than attractive women and get married just as often. Google it. Being an unattractive woman does not carry a sexual or romantic penalty comparable to what equivalent shortcomings do for men. No where close.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:42 AM
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Wanting something, and then failing to get it, is failing actually. You seem to have a problem with how words work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:41 AM
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Since you say that men can gain attention through status, appearance and money, which are all things you can work for and earn, let me ask why don't you guys just do that? Dude you just solved poverty. Why don't poor people simply become rich? How come we didn't think about this before. Why don't low status people simply become high status people? It's been staring us in the face this whole time
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:39 AM
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And that's a huge privilege that men are not afforded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:38 AM
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So you're saying that if a woman is fat, she has sex with fewer men? Or is less likely to marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:37 AM
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Guess what's the most common strategy for men on the apps bro
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:36 AM
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Haha what. Talk about making shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:36 AM
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How can I chose those women if they don't want me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:34 AM
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Oh I do get hugs. And boy did making incoherent ramblings and telling everyone who can read you're to dumb to chose a man properly put me in my place!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:33 AM
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Skill issue
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:32 AM
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Oh can't you learn to read at some point? I never claimed to be nice. Also, I know plenty of men and women in nice relationships, they had skills :) you clearly didn't though and so now you want to blame me for your own mistakes. If that makes you happy, go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:32 AM
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I'm not perfect. In fact I'm pretty shit. But I'm not violent and I'm not coercive. At least I’m not an inc*l. Skill issue. I could ring a guy up now and get a date, or a fuck. I choose not to - unlike you, I am single by choice, not by involuntary nature. Yes. Perks of being a woman. You get choice. Stay mad Looking at your comments, I think it's pretty clear who's mad ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:30 AM
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Yes that's your fault, and his. He for chosing to be violent, you for chosing him. You can’t get women even if you try. No matter how much you want to be chosen, you never will be, to the point that you are now a “hedonist” (aka incel). Skill issue. Exactly. Glad we can agree on something at least. Seems we both have skill issues. I have dealt with mine by quitting the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:27 AM
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yes, you’re worse because you hate women for not choosing you, and blame the women for choosing poorly and not the abuser/murderer/assaulter who inflicted harm Can you read? I've told you six times, I do blame the men. And the woman. They both made choices. And understand, you thinking me not caring is worse than murder just makes me think you're an idiot. Murder is clearly, clearly far worse. The fact that you don't think so suggests you probably make terrible decisions about men. You’re not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:26 AM
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yes, you’re worse because you hate women for not choosing you, and blame the women for choosing poorly and not the abuser/murderer/assaulter who inflicted harm Can you read? I've told you six times, I do blame the men. And the woman. They both made choices. And understand, you thinking me not caring is worse than murder just makes me think you're an idiot. Murder is clearly, clearly far worse. The fact that you don't think so suggests you probably make terrible decisions about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:23 AM
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They didn't. They chose the person they chose. They had options. Also you're entirely wrong. In Norway, for instance, the Prince Marius has been abusive to women for over a decade. It's been well known - yet beautiful, beautiful women throw themselves at him even so. Andrew Tate gets tons of women - oh poor women, how could they tell he was a bad guy. A former schoolmate of mine, asshole bully drug addict, was arrested a year ago for, along with his wife, abusing and posting videos of abusing hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:20 AM
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That’s the point mate. They can’t walk away - that’s why these men do it when it’s too late and they no longer have that option. They should have walked away when he started doing those things. Or they could have walked away after. Start walking in one direction. They also have the male favorite escape way open for then. You’re just as bad as the guys that abuse and murder their partners considering you’re blaming the women for “choosing poorly”, and not the men who actually abuse and murder the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:16 AM
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... children do not chose who their parents are. I never said its not the man's fault. He's at fault for murdering, she's at fault for chosing him. If I join a gang and am shot by another gang member, it's his fault for shooting me, and my fault for electing to hang out with bad people
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:09 AM
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Did the kids chose their parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:06 AM
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And of course the myriad of programs made specifically to benefit and advance women at the expense of men. But let's ignore those so that women can keep living easy lives on the back of male production
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:05 AM
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Women are to lazy to work so the government takes male money and gives it to women, which leads to them getting ahead despite less effort and skill, and then women turn around and say men are just lazy lol Trump save us
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:04 AM
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I was strawberry. They chose chocolate. If the chocolate didn't please them, that's their fault, not strawberry's.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:34 AM
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They didn't choose you though. So they can't choose someone over you. There are two options: chocolate or strawberry icecream. If you chose one, you can't have the other. If you chose chocolate, you are chosing it over the other option. I'll repeat: your point is incorrect. You've already stated that no woman has chosen you. So their choice isn't you or bad man. Their choice is just bad man. You have a choice... between things... this is the weirdest thing I have ever seen anyone argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:15 AM
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How? When he isolates her from family, friends and cuts off her financial freedom by telling (sometimes coercing) her to quit her job and depend on him, how do you suggest she walks away? Could've walked away when he started doing that couldn't she? You are just as bad as these so called abusive men because you say “haha it’s your fault for choosing the bad guy” rather than blaming the man for his actions, because that is a strong contributor to their abusive behaviour. Alright lol. This just ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:12 AM
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I'm not actually, you're just obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:09 AM
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Like young boys being told to appologize for being men? Like killallmen being an incredibly popular thing to say for a while? Like saying that men need to hold one another accountable for mens sexual misbehaviour? Like calling men an evil gender? Like saying all men benefit from rape? Like saying all men contribute to rape culture? Like claiming I have a repsonsibility to protect random women from men? No idea what I'm talking about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:08 AM
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Why would we choose a self proclaimed nice guy that has nothing else going for him? First of, I never claimed to be a nice guy - you made that proclamation, please don't refer to it as "self-proclaimed". I'm saying I'm not abusive. Secondly, I'm not saying you should. I'm saying you have the choice and they made their choice. That's on them. If they chose right and are happy with their man, great job, I'll be on the golfcourse. If they chose poorly and are mistreated, sucks to be you, I'll be on…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:06 AM
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Oh right you hate information and wont engage. This is over. Have a nice evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:03 AM
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So only women who have never been with a man is never abused? Women have choice. Far more than men do at every equivalent level of attractiveness. Choice about us. Choice about who among us men gets to have sex. If they chose to spend that power chasing men who beat them, that's their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:02 AM
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I have suffered trauma and I'm hurting. What are these people doing for me exactly, other than talkng down about how horrible and disgusting incels are?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:01 AM
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Then leave. My mother and my stepmother both left abusive relationships with kids and then went on to marry my father.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:00 AM
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Those women chose those men over us. They had the choice and decided, those are the men to go for. This is what I said. Women chose those men over us. They had the choice between us and they elected to go for them. I don't understand why you suddenly changed the subject so that incels dont count in a conversation between incels. So I'll repeat my point: women get to chose. We are the ones they are chosing about. Women could chose me; instead they chose abusers. That's their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:59 AM
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She can always walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:57 AM
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eah, well most men are there for just sex No most men are there for relationships. You just pick the ones you want for a relationship, they leave the app, the the remaining men who you want are the ones who don't want a relationship. Meanwhile 70% of the men just aren't getting any dates at all. So, I don't knkw if I believe you since what I have seen here and on apps and in real lofe is a good chunk of men are just out for sex and no human connection beyond that Yes and that has nothing to do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:56 AM
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Hmmmm yesallmen killallmen boysbeingmadetoappologizeforbeingboys
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:50 AM
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An example of where a woman had actually chosen you and then chose someone else. I don't understand why this is the criteria? I need to be in a relationship with a woman who left me, or it doesn't count? So you will just excluse every incel from a conversation about.. incels? Flirting at a party isn't someone choosing you. No, I never claimed it was. She had the option of chosing me. And she had the option of chosing someone else. And when given that option, every woman has chosen someone else. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:45 AM
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Not just women. I literally said that in the comment you replied to. I dont think I can with you anymore. So you’ve been lied to. And the ones who lied to you help people elected to make your life worse. I've been lied to, yes. By republicans and democrats both. Both manipulating me into the role of beast of burden for themselves. But sometimes one can see through lies. Such as: If there are ten male and one female applicants for two positions, and DEI concerns necessitate 50% female representat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:42 AM
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So what is the actual example you're requesting then? Because I have just given you four different examples of women declining me and going on to chose men who are morally repugnant. It doesn't even sound like you were a choice. I don't understand what you mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:34 AM
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DEI means women get into studies with lower grades. It means people of whichever designated minority gets fast tracked into positions they would never have held otherwise. If DEI didn't give people who wouldn't otherwise have had a position, that position, it would be doing nothing. Well they were competing with someone for that postition. Someone who now lost it. You know nothing about my life and what I've done :) Of course, as it's clear, knowing nothing has never prevented you from having an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:25 AM
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Oh yeah you're right, completely. What I meant to say was that a lot of men are having less sex. Most was the completly wrong word, good correction thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:22 AM
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Do you think all the women Andrew Tate dated knew he was a raging retard who trafficked women? He is the most obvious psycopath I have ever seen. I wouldn't be in the same room with him and I'm an ugly man. I'd run for the fucking hills if I was a woman and he was around yes. Abusers do not advertise that they are abusers Yeah man, that Andrew Tate dude sure knows how to seem normal and like not entirely fucking psycho, sure yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:20 AM
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Can walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:19 AM
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I am assuming he did because no one has half their face blue because they hit themselves with the door, and it's the go to lie for having been punched by a man. But yes, I have plenty of examples: First girl I brought home, used to chill in my bed and watch TV. When I kissed her, she would say no and leave for a couple weeks, then call me up to "try again". In the meantime, she would often sleep with other men in the in-between period. She described to me in detail how one of these men raped her…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:17 AM
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How is this happening without changes among women though? Are more men having sex with each other? No, fewer men are having sex, while the men who have sex in relationships have the same amount of sexual partners as before - it's simply increased class differences. If there's a 100 women, and 100 men, and each of the women has two sexual parnters, that means 200 unique pairings. If they are distributed equally, every man would also have 2 sexual partners. If they are distributed maximally unequa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:06 AM
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I blame abusers for abusing, and the people who chose the abusers for chosing abusers :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:00 AM
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Do you have a personal example of a woman who choose between you and "that man"? Funny you should ask, less than a week ago I ran into a woman I kissed a few years back. She said no, bad timing, you know. Anyway a couple weeks later she started dating a guy who had better timing. So I'm walking home from the store and a car stops, it's her. She has a blue eye, and without thinking, the first thing I ask is "hey what happened?". Well turns out she hit herself with a door. I nodded along and prete…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:00 AM
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Oh yeah, I'm sure a guy that's literally Joseph Fritzl level of evil had zero red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:52 AM
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Those women chose those men over us. They had the choice and decided, those are the men to go for. For us, sex is locked behind women's choices, and when women decide that they would rather have abusers than us, and then turn around and hold us responsible, we get bitter about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:50 AM
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So when women chose to go with and fuck Andrew Tate, it's because of their parents actually, probably their father, and they're devoid of any accountability for their choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:48 AM
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???? yes... they are failing.... due to a lack of skill... why wouldn't I?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:47 AM
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Some men also get abused in relationships- are you blaming them for that? Yes Some women also fail in dating due to social skills- are you going to say that's the same issue as a woman that gets abused by her partner? I don't agree that women fail in achieving sex and relationships due to low social skills. They just end up dating less desirable men. They still get men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:44 AM
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Skill issue. Should have chosen better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:43 AM
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More specifically, although we found no change in median numbers of sex partners (past year and lifetime), we found significant increases in the numbers of sex partners reported by the top 5% and 20% [...] although no statistically significant changes were observed among women https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10926320/#S16 Studies on the topic disagrees with you. The top 5% men are having more partners than ever before, while conversely most men are having fewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:40 AM
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Depends how they're murdered. If they're murdered by someone they elected to be in contact with, skill issue. If they're murdered by a terrorist orgainsation, not skill issue. Notice the word "chose" in the post
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:29 AM
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Men fail in dating - men suck Women fail in dating - it's cause they're just too good
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:28 AM
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We're not blaming you for their behaviour. We're blaming you for yours :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:24 AM
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Im 36. Just entirely different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:19 AM
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I believe rates are rising and have been for some time In England and Wales, the Office for National Statistics indicates that while prevalence decreased between 2005 and 2014, the last decade has seen a significant increase in sexual assault rates. In addition, a lot of things that are rape but not necessarily called that by everyone (choking without asking, anal without asking, spitting without asking etc.) are also said to be increasing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:11 AM
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Yeah, that has been well proven. I think you may have misunderstood me? What I am saying is that as the proportion of men having sex grows smaller, the proportion of sexual assault in sexual encounters grows larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:34 PM
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We've completely different experiences then. In fact, thinking about the three most sexually active men I know, none of them have female friends as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:33 PM
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You don’t get discriminated: you never went for it. I do get discriminated. That's what DEI is. It's discriminating for certain people at the expense of others. And I am always the other. You have no idea what I went for and not. And people already saw. During Covid lockdowns people saw what they were supposed to “suffer and handled it. Just like the previous term. Just like now the people handle it they build communities. They built strong connections. So they didn't need the DEI programs to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:17 PM
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Oh I stopped trying long ago but thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:11 PM
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What the apps actually offer is the experience of getting a hundred men that swipe to match without reading the bio, and want dinner with sex. But you have the understand, when you say that, that the vast majority of men do not get matches; the guys who do get matches and want relationships get off the apps very quickly, leaving two groups: men who want relationships but keep getting ignored by the women, and men who don't want relationships but keep getting picked by women. So when you're compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:55 PM
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A very very small portion of men* Signed, spent two years on tinder, talked to one woman, didn't want to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:52 PM
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Once.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:43 PM
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I have a 0% success-rate at bars, a 0% success-rate at festivals, a 0% success-rate at house-parties, and a >1% succes-rate at dating through friends. So I have a 0% succes-rate at the apps. How can I know whether my chances are better online or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:43 PM
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Yes, because there's a discrepancy between male and female desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:40 PM
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Getting a date means you've already gotten very far though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:40 PM
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Nah that is ridiculous. I've had more female friends than any man I know. It helps zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:38 PM
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Meanwhile for women: exist, men will have to practice all their lives to impress you, you get to decide God I'm glad I stopped doing that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:37 PM
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It's not surprising at all, I agree with that - but that wasn't the part of your comment I took issue with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:30 PM
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Their comment invited the same answer: skill issue. Women who end up with bad men do so by being unskilled. Get good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:12 PM
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And it’s not women I mean it's a discrepancy is desire between men and women, you can't blame one party.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:05 PM
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And it won't matter to women because the men who drop out will be the ones who weren't getting any when they were competing anyway. The development we have seen the last 20 years will continue until it plateus: fewer and fewer men have sex, while men who sleep around have sex with larger and larger amounts of women. Men get depressed and suicidal, women get raped more often. On and on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:03 PM
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I went to a veterans meeting and every soldier there was alive lol, why do ppl repeat this "soldiers die in wars myth"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:53 PM
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And I don’t actually think you understand DEI. It gives underrepresented a chance. At the expense of someone else. Those someone else might not be so happy. They still have to perform. Just less so than the people who's places they are given. But you’re right, what would lonely men want with people just giving those that might not normally get an opportunity to get one? I don't get opportunity. I get discriminated against. I'm so happy the people who discriminate me any chance they get, are seei…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:46 PM
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Sure. So skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:43 PM
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I could not. Voting democrat wouldn't have "stopped the billionaires" lol wtf are you on about. And yes actually, Trump administration has lead to an enormous downbuilding of DEI policies both in the American government and in American private economy. That's a huge win for me. Meanwhile my own wages have actually increased under Trump, although that had nothing to do with why I voted for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:05 PM
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I know I said nothing, that was the whole point of my comment..............................
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:03 PM
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If they had more skills at spotting the bad men, then they would avoid them. So skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:02 PM
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Some of my money is taken by the wealthy. Some of it is taken by the state and redistributed to groups that benefit from DEI. I can't prevent the billionaires stealing from me. But I can vote republican and then at least some of my opressors get to feel the boot with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:50 PM
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Women cost the state ridiculous amounts of money, they receieve significantly more benefits from the state, while paying far less taxes. I see my money taken away from me, given to women, who are then given advantages over me built upon the money the state took from me. I am affected by DEI. We all are. If you benefit - you're granted something you would not get without DEI. Whatever you're granted, A) needs to be taken from someone and B) cant be given to someone else. I don't want to be a dreg…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:46 PM
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Women attempt to kill themselves more than men kill themselves does this mean male and female suicide are the same No they don't lol they just pretend to. If women attempted suicide more than men, they would commit suicide more than men. Instead a small group of women make 27 failed "suicide attempts" and they get counted as real attempts so you can pretend suicide is a female problem too actually It's the equivalent as to when MRA people posit that men gets raped more than women and rape isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:56 PM
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It doesn't. We're getting fucked in the ass, I said so. Just so are a bunch of people who would fuck me in the ass if their party wins. Bunch of people doing all they can to make us the dregs of society, has to live with us in the shithole they create for us. Best I can do on the ballot that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:53 PM
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So what you're saying is dismantling all those DEI programs didn't matter after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:45 PM
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I'm sorry I really didn't understand this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:01 PM
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There's no point in practicing being good in a relationship, if you can't get into one. Men, unlike women, have difficulties getting into relationships and difficulties getting sex. So we need to learn those abilities. Then once we're in, we need to change to accommodate that person in our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:17 PM
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Democracy for young American men: Democrats: yeh were gonna fuck you in the ass Republicans: that's discrimination, we're gonna fuck everyone in the ass. I'm getting fucked in the ass either way, at least with this administraton we're going down together
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:15 PM
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That is true, are you entitled? Or is it not addressing an issue you want to talk about? You're entitled to whatever people say you're entitled to. It's not a fact of the universe, it's simply social consensus. Are women entitled to mens money, ny having the government take it from us and give it to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:11 PM
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Me ten minutes after waking up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:06 PM
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I'm sorry are you under the impression that I am currently in army greens in the jungle?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:04 PM
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This confusion comes from not understanding that society exists ina permanent state of class conflict. There's not enough of everything for everyone. So resources need to be distributed. Groups of people with common interest come together and create moralistic rationales why their group ought to have resources distributed to them. Why would a feminist, or an antifeminst for that matter, want actual fairness? Actual fairness doesn't help them. They want resources allocated to alleviating their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:04 PM
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Skill issue
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:53 PM
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I'm a young man too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:51 PM
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No it's a skill issue 100%. But so is avoiding bad men. Framing one as a skill issue and not the other, that is the inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:50 PM
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Imagine a man. He doesn't want to have sex with women. He does so anyway. Now all men are asexual. Checkmate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:48 PM
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Again with these “studies” one of the traits of psychopathy is narcissism and charisma both men and women find psychopaths “more attractive” and “trustworthy” because of this charm this has nothing to do with this topic though because ultimately bad people will do bad things regardless what other people like. Women prefer bad men to less bad men on average, which is well proven. This is just ridiculous. And this doesn’t change the fact that not being seen as attractive doesn’t make you good Of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:11 PM
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Can you confirm that at all? It seems enormously high
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:07 PM
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Because women like them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:53 PM
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No I'm sorry I meant "hasn't had sex for 15 years" my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:00 PM
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Hmm. I never actually got far enough with a woman to get to the point where I told her it's been so long so I have no idea how it's common to react
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:59 PM
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> Results show psychopathy was related to sociosexuality, specific factors of social intelligence, and generating higher desirability ratings from women after controlling for men’s physical attractiveness. Women rank psycopathic men as more desirable in tests to. That is what they are saying. The proof of their goodness is the fact that women don’t want them. They assume they are good because they aren’t chosen and he is bad because he is chosen Dude no one will ever say this. Plenty of morally …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:12 PM
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Let's say all men get together and make the sexual world better, safer and more dignified for women to participate in, entirely without shame. As a consequence, women decide to have sex with twice as many men. The man who had sex with 100 instead gets to have sex with 200, great for him. The man who had sex with 10 women, now instead has sex with 20 women. Good for him. The men who had sex with 1 woman, now has sex with 2. Okay, little better I suppose. The man who had sex with 0 women, now has …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:07 PM
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That can not be real, that is so high. Most men don't have that pulling power. I'd sat maybe 3-4 dates in a decade, if he's single that long, would be more male average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:00 PM
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How about a guy who had sex for 15 years? Total hypothetical question of course, about a friend, who is also hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:57 PM
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If you draw the experimemt on a piece of paper like I suggested, that will reveal itself to you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:55 PM
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What people are saying is morally bad men sleep around more than morally good men. That actually makes sense because sleeping around is more bad than not sleeping around. You're ignoring the context of women's choice. Go to any bar. There's 10 men there who wants to fuck for every woman. They have to compete to get picked, and the woman picks. What people are saying, is that morally bad men, on average, are picked by women at higher rates than morally good men. We all understand the very easy ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:56 PM
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That's a charicature. What people are saying, is that morally bad men do better than morally good men. Which is evidenced for instance by the fact that being incarcerated is associated with an increased life-time amount of sexual partners. No one is saying no good man will get a woman. Just that, on average, bad men are more attractive. Argue against that point, not the charicature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:23 PM
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makes it sound like this is a sole function of women not liking good guys I mean there's your problem. People aren't saying that. You made a caricature of other people that is easy to attack- common fallacy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:40 AM
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Because there are two groups, genders, negotiating one activity, sex, which is more desirable for one, men. That gives women economic leverage. Which is why fat women ad so sexually active, despite being the least desirable. Sex is a limited quantity for men, we are reduced to compete over a resource of which there's a deficit, which tanks our negotiating power and leaves women as the chosers. Draw a group of five men and five women. Establish that men want 3 sexual partners and women 1. Establi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:36 AM
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Whenever a man calls women desperate it's cope. One woman can be desperate sure, women as a whole? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:31 AM
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I haven't the slightest idea. Never been a woman myself. I just get angry when I am blamed for situations in which I am literally the least powerful party.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:09 PM
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If an ugly person attracts a lot of people then that person is attractive yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:21 PM
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being single doesn't mean never having their emotional needs met Right because women don't rely on men for emotional support rejecting women who reject them while maintaining dignity. Can you elaborate on what this means? not waiting for someone else to fix their mental and emotional health Women do this all the time? doing what it takes to better themselves, esp when it's hard and uncomfortable... Why do you think women do this more than men? taking pride in being good ppl and living well, rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:19 PM
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Yes absolutely. If it was harder for women, women would be celibate at higher rates than men. Instead we see the opposite. Because it's significantly more difficult for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:49 AM
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Admittedly I'm not experienced with relationships and might feel different if I was, but I really wouldn't care at all if a woman kept a go-bag or a second account for emergencies or anything like that. I would 100% want a paternity test tho. Being a father is bigger than being a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:45 AM
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It's way easier for you than for most of the guys in here. Any failures are your own
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:43 AM
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Not marrying me for my money. Not a huge problem since I don't have any. But dad was quite wealthy until two women divorced him. So it scares me. Then again there's not much left to inherit so I won't ever have to face my fears
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:39 AM
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Bars = more money spent, same results
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:37 AM
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You don't have a right to sex, if you're not good enough to vet properly, just be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:36 AM
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If you work really hard, you can maybe get a woman in your 30s. If you have money. These people consider themselves morally superior btw
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:34 AM
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Attractive means ability to attract....
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:31 AM
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Yes but this example isn't about her; it's about a hypothetical new person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:28 AM
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Lol this is so stupid. Violent offenders get girlfriends all the time. Brad Pitts girlfriend is trying to get pregnant. Fuck this moralising shit. Men get girlfriends by being hotm
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:42 AM
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It's simply a better framework to understand the behaviour of large amounts of people than any one individuals intuition
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:38 AM
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Why arent there stats showing that plenty of women get dates then? Why aren't fat women incels then? Why is this problem overwhelmingly male then? Have you ever bothered to have the slightest look at the statistics on the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:21 AM
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I dont know, the paper doesn't say, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:18 AM
1

No she was a 10 to me and a 4 to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:17 AM
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Pretty much everyone in or around normal weight, for either gender
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:09 AM
2

Rich people can be sad and poor people can be happy. Would you rather be rich or poor?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:07 AM
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A every time. I was once madly in love with a girl who I can tell now wasn't even average looking. Infatuation can really make someone crazy beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:03 AM
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A every day
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:01 AM
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I disagree with this. The problem I'm having isn't that I'm not chosen, that's for women to decide and not for me to care about at all. For me the problem comes when women hold men accountable for their choices. Plenty of guys I know are better than me and have girlfriends, that's done and over and congratulations. But when women date some of... those guys...a and the inevitable happen.. then I maintain that was the woman's fault
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:00 AM
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Well it's a good thing that association is well established then ;Incarceration was associated with an increased rate of lifetime sexual partnership https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3788090/ Or just Google "are criminal men more sexually active". The answer is demonstrably and clearly yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:57 AM
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Because for women singlehood is a choice while for men it's far more likely to be a result of inability...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:24 PM
1

I said that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:22 PM
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It is accurate, you just don't want us so you pretend we don't exist. I have a friend who's slept with over 100 women. He's the biggest asshole I know. I myself have slept with one woman. Women chose to be treated the way he treats women, over 100 of them, and then turn around and complain about men It's not men. It's your choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:22 PM
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MRA and MgtoW both predate tiktok by a decade, feminism by almost two centuries. Tiktok just happens to be a convenient forum to spread idea at the moment. Gender war came before and will persist after tiktok.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:10 PM
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How did they become promiscuous then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:03 PM
3

Meanwhile, for a woman; exist - that's enough, you're doing enough
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:31 PM
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If "Here's an enormous amount of men, you can have pretty much any one of them" leads to trash results then you're the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:25 PM
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Why wouldn't a parent care about their childs wellbeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:24 PM
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bulk seems to be guys who struggle to date Because that's the bulk of men generally
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:20 PM
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Women chosing violent men isn't an issue men need to solve Women chosing lower paying professions isn't an issue men need to solve Women uting healthcare services far more isn't an issue for men to solve Women being worse at chess isn't an issue men need to solve Women living far longer and so needing pensions isn't an issue for men to solve
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:50 PM
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Progressive have ruined my industri, construction, by having 100s of 1000s of immigrants come in, making process go way down on labour, which means it's cheaper for the middle classes to procure services, while shoving a large pick axe up the ass of every working class man here. In the 30s, the left was made up of workers and so they cared about workers. Today the left is made up of middle class, immigrabts and women, who care about the middle class, immigrants and women. The right makes my life…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:22 PM
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Most men would jump at the chance for free sex in where they are not obligated to have any sort of emotional attachment beyond sex Also I'm not sure about this. Most guys who do well with women, in my experience, do not sleep around even though they could. Sleeping around is done by a very small group of men who bed several times the average. I myself have never wanted no strings attached sex, and I don't think most my friends ever sought it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:13 PM
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If that's what she's saying then fair, but I really don't think that's what she's trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:12 PM
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Because, like I said, most guys I know don't have any of those opinions on women, or at least never expressed anything like it. I know a small handful of dudes with these opinions, and they are sexually hyperactive. Let's imagine 10 men and 10 women. One of the men has sex with every 10 women. Then women get together and discuss who men are, based on their sexual experiences with men. Their conclusions will in no way reflect who men are; rather they will reflect who women choose. So yeah, some g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:10 PM
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Then why is rape increasing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:01 PM
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I dont think I've seen that sentiment expressed here, but ok. I never said that second sentence. I am perfectly willing to talk but not with someone who opens up in bad faith. Let's try again and this time you try and relate to what I said instead of making something up and being angry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:45 PM
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Which is entirely fair - can you see how that exactly saw cuts two ways though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:38 PM
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I know like three guys that have those views on women. The fact that they're all sexually hyperactive communicates to me, a man looking in from the outside, that this situation is entirely of your own making. Am I right? Who knows, I only see what I see and don't know what I don't see. But looking at life from my own perspective, one that I share with a great many men, there's no way around the conclusion that women are often the architects of their own downfall.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:37 PM
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Women's choices
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:55 PM
2

Whyvdo you think 80-90% of men end up having children?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:53 PM
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It's for the same reason that fat women are more sexually active than non-fat women. They have a freedom we lack, simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:56 PM
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Experience. I'm less experienced at 36 than most women were by 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:32 AM
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So we should all get punished? What should be the punishment for my erstwhile ex-girlfriend? I once bugged her to have sex until she finally said yes. Do we cancel each other out? And why are the rules for sex different than from literally everything else? I consent to go to work, and to listen to my boss, I promise you there's nothing enthusiastic about it. Why is enthusiastic consent only an issue with sex? If you want to be consistent it ought to cover every activity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:43 PM
3

So there's bad rape and then okay rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:30 PM
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My ex-girlfriend really wanted to have sex once, I didn't want to because I couldn't really get hard, she said she wanted to anyways, I didn't want to but I complied. Should she be in jail? How bad rape is, is relative to what you define rape as. You define perfectly fine behavior as rape. That means when we use your definition, rape isn't necessarily wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:09 PM
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... the enthusiasm of the consent is not at issue here... and why didnt you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:21 PM
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No, it's sex with consent, just not enthustiastic enough for your liking. With your definition everyone's been raped. You want to put the woman who bothers her husband to have sex when he's not really in the mood in the same jailcell as the man who hides in the bushes and jumps a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:17 PM
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If that's your definition of rape that's fine but that means rape isnt serious
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:45 PM
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Again, who are they? You've just made something up in your own head and concluded "that's what people who disagree with me think". Besides, you've completely changed what you're talking about. You said, and I disagreed with, that redpillers claims entitlement. Who are saying exactly that women should be arrested for not dating them? That dating is something one is entitled to? What is being said, is that men with poor outcomes in dating, kill themselves and experience depression and low-life sat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:28 PM
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In the U.S., a comprehensive study of all individuals who died by suicide between 2003 and 2020 found that among men, one in five suicides occurred in the context of intimate partner problems including breakups, separation, and divorce. Similar numbers have been documented in Australia and the United Kingdom. 1 in 5 male suicides are right after a romantic breakup. Incels also have very high levels of suicide that is not included in this 20%. And why do you believe that therapy, which is primari…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:25 PM
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No, Red pill claims romance is competitive and that men should fight to increase their own value
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:48 PM
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I was not consulted, nor any of the people who disagree with you clearly. Actually romantic issues is the number one issue men kill ourselves
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:46 PM
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Promoting equality and entitlement arent the same thing....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:28 PM
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Human rights are whatever we say human rights are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:26 PM
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Red pillers don't say that...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:17 PM
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Who decides what's important? Many men have water food and shelter and then go kill themselves over dating woes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:17 PM
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You're the one who brought up human rights when you said "dating is not a human right"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:40 PM
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Human rights include whatever we say it includes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:22 PM
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Did you reply to the wrong person? I dont see the connection here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:16 PM
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I mean they're hypocrits sure, but not more than everyone else is. People want and thus argue for things that benefit themselves and use overarching moralist principles to disguise that fact from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:49 PM
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Atoms are individual, you don't understand a cubic metre of air by accounting for their individual behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:23 PM
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Why? No one mentioned the US
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:02 AM
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https://www.bundeswehr.de/en/about-bundeswehr/identity-of-the-bundeswehr/equal-opportunities/women-bundeswehr#:~:text=What%20matters%20is%20performance,women%20when%20evaluating%20athletic%20performance.I'm Norwegian Here's the same from the German military if that is more important
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:02 AM
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There are different standards for men and women in the military
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:44 PM
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https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/forskjellig-krav-til-kvinner-og-menn-i-forsvaret-og-politiet-_-ikke-i-brannvesenet-1.15223789
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:39 PM
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https://www.coursera.org/learn/philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:38 PM
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Yes, but healthcare related to childbirth isn't adjusted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:21 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:17 AM
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I don't understand, do you think I disagree with any of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:05 AM
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Yeah I agree with that. But let's create a microcosm of society; imagine a nightclub wherein there's a 100 different men and a 100 different women. Let's imagine every night 20 women desire sex, and 80 men desire sex. Inevitably many men will be left without sex - not just on any given evening, but consistently over time. Sex is much easier to enjoy, far safer and have far less downsides for men. I don't disagree that women have good reason to act like women do; if reasons changed, so would beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:28 AM
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You're right, I was wrong. Police and military then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:54 PM
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It's not an emotion to "prefer" feeding yourself when you're hungry. Yes, it's a preference. You never touched a book about philosophy. I'm not arguing with you about something that was well determined in the 1750's. What part of this counters my umbrella example? Your preference for not getting wet. Getting wet or staying dry are not something you can decide between logically. I could ask the same question about you and your lack of experience with women. Where did I say anything contingent on …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:52 PM
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It does actually, preferences are illogical. They're founded on emotion. From wikipedia: [Logic] examines how conclusions follow from premises based on the structure of arguments alone, independent of their topic and content. This is a very settled question that you've never spent the slightest time looking into, or you would know that. Why do you have such a strong opinion on something you know you've never read anything about?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:45 PM
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If you're comparing two different things, there are going to be differences. It's not a real point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:16 PM
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It's not a preference to want to avoid getting sick or sitting around in wet clothes. In some places, it's necessary for safety.¨ Safety is not logical, it's a preference I don't care. Yeah that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:15 PM
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Dont know why, it works for me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:42 PM
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You don't decide what the answer to your question to me is. I do, by answering it. And the answer is clearly provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:35 PM
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I don't want to get wet This is a preference. Preferences are not logical. Any action must be founded on a preference, which is illogical. As Hume wrote, it's not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the world to the itching of my finger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:34 PM
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Do you notice the language you're using? You're describing women as points to be earned in a game. And that's why there's a double standard surrounding promiscuity. Because you (and the men with the same viewpoint) don't actually view women as human beings with their own desires and agency, you view them as objects. They're things to collect No, that's in your head. In the context of having sex with many women, the number is there to keep score. No they aren't. I don't understand where this view…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:33 PM
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You're wrong, the answer to your question is: If women want me to make decisions based on "what benefits women" then women ought to start making decisions based on "what benefits men". Either we work together, or we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:21 PM
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If women want me to make decisions based on "what benefits women" then women ought to start making decisions based on "what benefits men". Either we work together, or we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:13 PM
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"Should" doesn't apply here. You're on the wrong side of the is/ought line. But a man who has an easy time attracting women has already done the hard part. Which is to become sexually attractive as a man. That's where his laurels come from, the women he sleeps with is really just a way to keep score. Women are born sexually attractive. The least attractive women have just as much sex as the most attractive ones. That means the standards for success have to be something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:12 PM
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If women want me to make decisions based on "what benefits women" then women ought to start making decisions based on "what benefits men". Either we work together, or we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:01 PM
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There is never a logically coherent reason to do anything. That's not what logic is. But alright good bye
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:57 PM
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I did
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:55 PM
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If women want me to make decisions based on "what benefits women" then women ought to start making decisions based on "what benefits men". Either we work together, or we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:49 PM
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Women are shamed for having many sex partners just the same way men are shamed for having few. Doing the difficult thing, which for women is having few male sex partners, is lauded, while doing the easy thing, which for men is to have few sex partners, is shamed. It's entirely consistant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:46 PM
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If women want me to make decisions based on "what benefits women" then women ought to start making decisions based on "what benefits men". Either we work together, or we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:44 PM
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It's from one of the biggest newspapers in Norway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:35 PM
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Different circumstances are not similar. You don't even believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:34 PM
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I've had one sex partner and will never have anyone else. Your point is entirely moot. But as for what you're trying to ask - if sexually hyperactive men went to sexually unsuccesful men and started to hold us responsible for the consequences of their actions, they'd be met with the tinest violin in existance
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:34 PM
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https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/hver-kvinne-koster-15-6-millioner-ingen-grunn-til-at-det-skal-tolkes-stigmatiserende-for-kvinner/s/12-95-3424089287#:~:text=Alle%20som%20bor%20i%20Norge,regjeringen%20la%20frem%20f%C3%B8r%20helgen. In my country women costs the state 5 times as much as men do on average. But by all means, abolish child support from the state - I'm all for it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:31 PM
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Women decide what sex "should be" for women, men decide how to react to the power women wield over them If women want sex to be something they share with an increasingly small part of the male gender, they get to make it so. Which brings us back to my original comment - why would I fight for someone who doesn't give a shit about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:28 PM
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https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/hver-kvinne-koster-15-6-millioner-ingen-grunn-til-at-det-skal-tolkes-stigmatiserende-for-kvinner/s/12-95-3424089287#:~:text=Alle%20som%20bor%20i%20Norge,regjeringen%20la%20frem%20f%C3%B8r%20helgen. In my country women costs the state 5 times as much as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:25 PM
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I mean you're making no sense but whatever, I can just give another example. Women in the military has to face far easier physical tests than men in the military. Likewise with firefighters. Doing a push-up is easy for men, and hard for women, so men have to do far more of them to be impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:23 PM
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No, for women finding men to have sex with is very easy; for men, finding women to have sex with is hard. Those are not equal circumstances. Hence the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:17 PM
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Neither is education
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:11 PM
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Women are still relying on men to pay for them, they've just got the state doing it now so they dont have to offer men anything in return
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:07 PM
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Obviously, there's a clear double standard surrounding sexual promiscuity. That's not a double standard, double standards are when people in the same circumstance are being held to the same standards. When people in different circumstances are being held to different standards, that's just called standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:01 PM
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s logic of shaming people for something being "easier" for them through no fault of their own doesn't translate to any other circumstances. Of course it does. In poor countries, being overweight is a social status symbol. In wealthy countries, it's looked down upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:59 PM
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Men are already sleeping with 350lb women, in fact for women being unattractive has zero penalty on how many partners you have. But to remind you the question is asked in the context of men helping women with their problems. On their own, no one should do anything. My question was and remains - why am I obligated to fight for the benefits of a group of people that don't ever care to fight for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:51 PM
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How does having sex with less experienced men constitute fighting for you? Should sex be pleasant for women? Or is sex an unpleasant chore women should endure for men's benefit? Once ten women have endured sex with you, will you remain abstinent so that they can move on to "fight" in this way for men who have not yet had ten partners? Men have sex with women just as often as women have sex with men. We want it more. Which leads to men with a high ability to attract women to have a disproportiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:49 PM
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I'd take it, but it's not about my individual sexlife - it's about giving me a reason to care about womens problem when women don't give a damn about mine
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:42 PM
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Okay but as fewer and fewer men are sexually active, while the men who are having sex with many women are reporting higher and higher numbers, it's clear - if women wanted to adress male problems, this is top of the line
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:18 PM
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Well, women aren't working high paying jobs as much as men. That's on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:54 PM
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No it's just you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:53 PM
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I'm not dismissing whatever I don't like as bad faith. I'm dismissing you as bad faith. Because you and I both know you didn't read through the post, that's why you posted something that had nothing to do with anything. I'm done engaging with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:43 PM
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Have sex with men you don’t want to have sex with If you wanna fix mens problems, fix mens problems. Don’t spend money on yourself Tax money. Why do you need to be dishonest if you're not lying? Don’t apply for college even though that’s one of the only ways to make enough money to survive these days Twice as many women as men get to live then. Blame women for men assaulting women They chose those men. The women had more agency in that situation than every single man except the one they chose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:41 PM
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This is a post about how men ought to fight against the pay gap. I said "why would I fight". You didn't read the post, made a comment based solely on reading the title, and are now attempting a weird back-track. It's better not to participate rather than participating in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:38 PM
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Stop having sex with men who've had more than 10 partners and instead start having sex with men who've had few Stop spending so much tax money on themselves Stop taking up most spots at educational facilities Stop blaming the male gender for violence against women and start blaming female agency
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:35 PM
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Us men need to recognize the gender pay gap and do what we can to fight against it because it absolutely exists. Read the post next time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:29 PM
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https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success/ https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/21/11/2047/1147770?login=false This is commonly available information. You pretending it's not so is not an argument. Look I've been patient here but clearly you're uncurably stupid. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:27 PM
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Why am I obligated to fight for the benefits of a group of people that don't ever care to fight for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:25 PM
1

Based on genetic evidence and studies cited by researchers like Roy F. Baumeister, it is estimated that only about 40% of men throughout human history reproduced, meaning roughly 60% did not. Conversely, about 80% of women reproduced, indicating that modern human populations are descended from twice as many women as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:27 PM
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Not everyone can have sex, if it's a limited quantity and distribution is uneven
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:25 PM
1

Not everyone can have sex, if it's a limited quantity and distribution is uneven Try to learn math some time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:44 PM
1

Not everyone can have sex, if it's a limited quantity and distribution is uneven
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:22 PM
1

Not everyone can have sex, if it's a limited quantity and distribution is uneven
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:42 PM
1

Sex is a limited quantity for whichever gender wants it the least. Why dont poor people just get money? Why dont hungry people just get food?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:32 PM
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People are having roughly the same amount of sexual partners as before, actually, it's the distribution that has changed. As in, succesful men are having more partners, most men are having fewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:37 PM
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There are more people who have food than there are people who starve, so what? There are also fewer men getting laid because of social change Whats your point exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:32 PM
2

In the space of one comment youve changed your argument Be smarter
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:54 PM
2

Statistically fewer and fewer men are getting laid, and when they do, they have less and less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:08 AM
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Because I know a lot of people...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:51 AM
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It's not about paying attention to, it's about what's visible to you. But to answer, to a certain extent yeah, but I can't really say because I don't know what I can't see
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:34 PM
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There's a lot of things that are invisible to men about the female experience, sure, but one thing we do get insight into is distribution; that is to say, we see which guys are getting laid and which aren't. That's what we form our opinions on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:58 PM
1

lol what
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:52 PM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:21 AM
0

I'm Norwegian, and right wing governments do give me tax reductions
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:10 PM
0

Or I vote for parties that promises to do that in my own
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:35 PM
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And women don't need men's taxmoney to survive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:21 PM
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Their problems are with criminals then, not with men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:25 PM
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The moon is literally made of cheese, why would you wanna grow anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:17 PM
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I think the solution is for men to decenter women I agree with that, but decentering women isn't only something to be done at an individual level, but at a political one as well. Women's life in western society are financed and maintained by men, many of whom see no benefit from it. Men work more, pay more taxes, receive fewer benefits and much less positive discrimination. Everything we own and everything we want is a result of human labour. Every time someone lives a life of non-labour they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:15 PM
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Because it's thebpeople having the problem deling with their own problems. Clearly women have no desire to fix mens problems, somehow men ought to have a desire to fix women's problems though. It doesn't add up. Women aren't responsible for mens problems and men are not responsible for women's problems. That's the only way that's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:53 AM
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What do you compete about?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:42 PM
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There are endless examples of men who are worse than nothing; violent abusers for instance - do women never have relationships with violent abusers then? Men compete for women because we want women more often than women want us, which creates an environment of scarcity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:16 PM
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Competition emerge from scarcity. A tennis match with two winners is not a competition; the competition is the very fact that there are more competitors than winners. You go to any bar, there are more men who want to have sex there than there are women who want to have sex. That's what men being in competition means. men aren't competing against other men for dates, they're competing against the peace she felt in solitude is not an argument, it's a poetic way of saying nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:14 PM
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She was wrong, she didn't understand what a competition is
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:34 PM
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Categorically, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. You just walking around in life is not actually a good source of information
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:36 PM
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This is not RP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:52 PM
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Right, but every struggle an autistic woman has can be removed simply by chosing to have mens problems instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:48 PM
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OP's claim is that being an autistic woman in dating is equally as difficult to being an autistic man in dating, which is the claim we're replying to
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:13 PM
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Imagine a park. A lot of men are not allowed access into the park. All women are however. In the park there's a great deal of sexual assault. Women tell men who can't get into the park how privileged they are, as they aren't subject to the dangers of the park.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:19 PM
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You still have free will
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:20 PM
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Yeah you do actually... why do you think you don't have free will in a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:49 AM
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Under conditions of having free will. Which is your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:45 AM
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You do get to pick who you hire however
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:25 AM
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Right but your argument was that people have free will, which is consistent between the two different situations
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:18 AM
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But being a woman, you can simply chose to have mens problems instead.. You could simply abstain from dating forever. That would fix your current problems and put you in the position a lot of men are in. Instead you would have their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:15 AM
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But your argument was free will... you swap the argument when it's about something you don't like. Racist hiring practices are illegal, because when they were not, they existed
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:11 AM
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Traditionally, as in before ww2, women were generally the right wing gender. They became left-wing following the institution of welfarestates, which greatly benefit women, they became the gender of left-wing. My prediction for the future, as more and more men check out of society, is that the welfarestate will start to see women supporting men instead, and so women will return to being the rightwing gender
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:07 AM
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But your argument was free will...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:05 AM
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Research with domestic and international samples has consistently demonstrated a positive association between men’s number of lifetime sexual partners and SV perpetration, using both cross-sectional and longitudinal methods. In domestic research comparing perpetrators to nonperpetrators, perpetrators report a significantly higher number of sexual partners (Abbey & Jacques-Tiura, 2011; Abbey, McAuslan, Zawacki, Clinton, & Buck, 2001; Abbey et al., 2011; Davis & Logan-Greene, 2012; Peterson, Janss…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:46 PM
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It does, over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:53 PM
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It says so over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:29 PM
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It does actually and you're clearly not someone worth conversing with
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:47 PM
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Research with domestic and international samples has consistently demonstrated a positive association between men’s number of lifetime sexual partners and SV perpetration, using both cross-sectional and longitudinal methods. In domestic research comparing perpetrators to nonperpetrators, perpetrators report a significantly higher number of sexual partners (Abbey & Jacques-Tiura, 2011; Abbey, McAuslan, Zawacki, Clinton, & Buck, 2001; Abbey et al., 2011; Davis & Logan-Greene, 2012; Peterson, Janss…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:14 PM
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this one is weird. do we turn women away from college? or force men who don't want to go, to go? we can't control this Yes we can, what are you talking about? Just cap admissions at a different level than currently. this one.. fine but like it won't help struggling men or virgins, who are the guys we're discussing now. It would, men with no children would be more desirable to chose, men with children less. what if these women were married and brought their husbands later? or entered got citizens…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:45 AM
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Research indicates that men who are highly sexually active—specifically those with a high number of lifetime sexual partners, a preference for impersonal sex, and frequent one-night stands—are more likely to perpetrate sexual assault. However, this connection is not based on a simple, high sex drive, but rather on underlying behavioral and psychological factors, such as sexual entitlement, high impulsivity, and low empathy. https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-3-sex-offender-typologies#:~:text=T…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:41 AM
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No, that's something else
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:41 AM
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Women don't need higher education to have a job
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:37 AM
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Assuming I know what you’re talking about, being picked to be abused and sexually exploited is not a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:22 AM
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There's plenty we could do. For instance: Cap education to 50/50. Women have a clear preference for men who have more education than themselves; at the same time, women attend higher education at twice the rate men do. Ensuring a 50/50 parity in university would strengthen mens position. Tie childcare-money from government to first-time parenthood. If you are having children with a partner who has no previous children, you get generous benefits, if you are having children with a partner with pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:14 AM
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Which is "be born as a woman"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 AM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive. So clearly men are disadvantaged. Should disadvantaged people just shut up when their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 AM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive. So clearly men are disadvantaged. Should disadvantaged people just shut up when their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 AM
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Which is a problem that only affects men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:46 AM
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Carrots are vegetables though?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:41 AM
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Assuming I know what you’re talking about, being picked to be abused and sexually exploited is not a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:37 AM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive. So clearly men are disadvantaged. Should disadvantaged people just shut up when their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:25 AM
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For women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So men are clearly disadvantaged no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:20 AM
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Right, but only men. It doesn't happen to women. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:19 AM
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Guilty of what? Are they incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:17 AM
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Okay but when this is a problem that happens to a lot of men, it's a social problem in demand of explaination no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:13 AM
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Why doesn't it happen to women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:11 AM
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Then why is the problem unique to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:09 AM
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No, I'm not reducing anything - loneliness is a multifaceted issue, with certain parts of it - lack of sexual intercourse and lack of marriage/long-term romantic partnership - being categorically male issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:29 PM
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The ways men and women are lonely diverge, and so it's useful to have different words to describe them... Spesifically the male part of male loneliness is that loneliness is far higher for less attractive men. While we know that for women, being less attractive does not negatively impact the number of sexual partners you have, does not lessen the chance that you will be married, this penalties are very heavy for men. Having more words and more spesfic terminology makes us better able to distingu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:53 PM
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And it did...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:45 PM
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Yeah I never approach and it's got nothing to do with feeling like I'm being creepy. It's easy enough to meet a woman, I have female friends, don't find women particularily different to talk to or anything. But the power imbalance in dating, holy shit. Just time after time again of trying, hoping this one will be the one that says yes, having no ability to chose, being entirely beholden to a woman's whim, knowing that I can't ask questions about experience which - as someone unexperienced - are …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:36 PM
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And would be still if we had continued
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:19 PM
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They're not, but I am increasingly becoming aware you're not worth talking to
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:36 AM
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Haha context. It's believe women. I don't think perpetrators of a crime should benefit actually. Just have a look at the statement you made. I think it's perfectly okay for their victims to have more power. Ok you're not a serious person nvm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:50 AM
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It's not "believe all victims of sexual assault", it's "believe all women". Also men are far more likely to be perpetrators of sexual assault than victim; perpetrators do not benefit. Third, "believe all women" gives women more power over men, which benefits women and is to the detriment of men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:58 PM
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All the bio-essentialism way overcomplicats things. Remember Occum's razor. Women go "believe all women" because it's good for them. Men go the opposite way as it's bad for us. Then it all gets entangled up into broader narratives where coalitions give up on whatever's easiest to drop
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:14 PM
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You should have the same attitude as with any other form of material deprivation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:07 PM
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Thank you. You refer to "they" in your previous comment, I'm unsure whether you're referring to men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:49 PM
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Nope. For women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. Your opinion is factually incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:48 PM
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What is a roster?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:41 PM
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People will align with their own interests. When interests are opposed, people will be opposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:24 PM
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Who cares? You said Because there's nothing to support the claim "the rich get richer" in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:56 AM
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No, they're not Unattractive women get married more often, they have more sexual partners, and they marry higher income men than more attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:38 AM
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Frankly I think being conscious of a distinction between "trout" and "salmon" is really weird. It's just "fish"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:32 AM
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Actually, evidence tells us that the top 10% most sexually active men are having more sexual partners now than ever before, while the average level of sexual partners in general is declining. Meanwhile, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. All the evidence is there, you just don't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:20 AM
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I agree with you - but you do see by the very same reasoning why most men have zero interest in improving womens lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:17 AM
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Those men are getting laid though
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:15 AM
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Individually no, collectively absolutely it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:34 AM
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Yeah? Let's look at it this way. A bar has 100 men and 100 women in it every night. Let's say on average each night 5 women want to get laid. How many of the 100 men would get laid if you ran this experiment let's say 100 times?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:36 PM
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it's just guys that are out every weekend and look at least decent Why have you changed your mind from the last comment where you said They're highly social, very extroverted, are always out at a function, and know how to be fun around women. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:32 PM
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They're highly social, very extroverted, are always out at a function, and know how to be fun around women. This is attractive.....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:26 PM
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No, read my comment again and try to reply in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:22 PM
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It means a few guys get laid A LOT and then there's a lot of guys who don't get laid at all Men and women have the same amount of sexual partners. If the average is 10, and one guys sleeps with 100 women, other men need to make up a defecit of 90 Women want sex less so they get to be the chosers - there could be twice as much sex, if women wanted it. As seen in gay men. So that's hypergamy in women - women decide that some men are a sexual elite and go for them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:11 PM
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Women pay far less in tax and receive far more in benefits than men do. If the world isn't fair and no one should care about the ways in which it's unfair to men, we should vote for right wing parties
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:39 PM
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Women are not restricted by laws in basically any matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:38 PM
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Alright, and women should just realise they're not entitled to government handouts then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:30 PM
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Do you think women shoot themselves in the leg when men like Andrew Tate are enormously sexually successful?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:29 PM
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Why are there all these programs to get women into STEM then? Why do we need to care that women chose to go into lower-paid professions then? Why do we need to care that women chose to get pregnant and suffer health-consequences then? Why do we need to care that women chose to hang out with Andrew Tate then? Why do we need to care that women can't perform as well in construction then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:28 PM
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The problem with the "life isn't fair"-argument is that it's applied only in accordance with your personal self-interest. Is it fair that men are far stronger and can beat up women? No, and so we have all these programs to try and lessen male violence towards women. Is it fair that women get pregnant and suffer the health-consequences of that? No, so we give women more access to healthcare. Is it fair that women are seen as less capable and so less likely to be respected in certain professions? …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:26 PM
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I on the other hand think people like you would be wiser if you understood the world through measurable outcomes than through social experience shared with the particular demographics you happen to spend time in
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:23 PM
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So we should just leave women to do more childcare, then? Abandon all government programs to equalize childcare duties?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:21 PM
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Like how 66% of higher education goes to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:18 PM
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If this is true and your concern is about fairness, why aren't the same people who concern themselves with this also concerning themselves that far more women than men go into higher education? Could it be that behind all the talk of "equality" lies nothing but class self-interest... hmmm....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:17 PM
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All ideologies do this. The ideological conviction that "I'm right" is intuitive, people know what the right answer is. Then they need to rationalize them. Ideologies are not arrived at through as series of argument that lead to a conclusion - rather the conclusion emerges from social consensus, becomes learned and intuitive, and then arguments are made up to support it. This leads to all sort of conflicts in ideological arguments that are in no way unique or particular to feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:16 PM
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Why? it’s just one of many examples I gave. Did you stop reading after the first sentence? Non-monogamy is how men have frequently used their power, and still often do today. Epstein is pretty modern— lots of those disgusting, evil old ~men~ child rapists are still alive. Right, but Epstein and his ilk are also a weird diversion from the subject at hand. Sounds a whole lot like a man who doesn’t like monogamy and wants to fuck around, same as the women he fucked. And I bet most of those women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:10 PM
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Absolutely we do. Way fewer people are claiming otherwise, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:38 PM
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And the numbers speak for themselves. Hence my original statement - women make their own problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:33 PM
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Well no but I'm unambitious so what a woman gonna do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:26 PM
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The guy who went on a rant about how if you're gonna rape a woman, you should do it anally and the guy who said, and I quote, "if she's gone into a room with you, she's made a decision".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:54 AM
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The distribution
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:39 AM
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I know which of my friends had succes on the apps. Women cause their own problems
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:37 AM
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Why would you focus on the actual practice of harems? I know a guy who slept with over a 100 women. What does Ottoman sultanic practices have to do with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:30 AM
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No, concsiousness in unfalsifiable. Could be or could not be. Either way it's emergent from sensory experience, which is entirely physical
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:16 AM
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No https://iep.utm.edu/hard-problem-of-conciousness/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:55 AM
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If there is consciousness, it is derived from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:48 AM
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We cannot prove consciousness. This would mean that we cannot prove that we have emerged from physical structures. I don't see the connection. Cogito ergo sum - there are experiences. The problem of consciousness is that it can not be arrived at from what Hume called a "bundle or collection of different perceptions, which succeed each other with an inconceivable rapidity" So there is experience, whether there's consciousness or not. And that experience is ultimately derived from sensory input. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:43 AM
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Not unreasonable - unfalsifiable. Maybe we are sentient and conscious, maybe we are not. Regardless of what we are, we emerge from physical structures. Physical structures are in no way arbitrary. So neither are we.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:28 AM
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This ‘stuff’ has however evolved to attain sentience. That's an imcomplete arguement. Certainly feels like it. Which responds to stimuli. Agreed? Yes. Stimuli is also made of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:15 AM
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Yall complaining paying $60 for a date while the expectations there is to pay for her father’s medical bills. I mean this is not an equivalent though, you aren't expected to pay for her fathers medical bills as a first date where she's overwhelmingly likely to reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:00 AM
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Conversely, in my anecdotal experience, almost all my outcomes have come by conscious decision. So cannot relate. Are you not made of stuff? And if you're made of stuff, does stuff behave arbitrarily?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:54 PM
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man worth his salt would not leave his children to be raised by "baby mamas", and have almost no involvement in their lives. Why TF do I even have to explain this?! I have no idea why you felt the need to explain that, seems like an answer to a question that was never raised. Desirable women? We have some very different definitions of "desirable". My husband wouldn't touch those creatures even with a 20 ft. long pole, let alone have children with them. Why? If your husband was the only man in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:41 PM
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The state already caps the amount of pupils enrolled into higher educational programs And I don't want anything, preference is arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:39 PM
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Well, very unattractive women are most likely to get married The analysis of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health) shows that very unattractive women were significantly more likely to be married at Age 29 than unattractive or average-looking women, and their spouses or partners earned significantly more than those of unattractive or average-looking women. They also have a slightly above average amount of sexual partners > McClintock (2013): In a study published in Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:02 PM
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Are you a contrarian by nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:28 PM
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Why do you think he can't? Is he trying to but failing? And what he gets on his harem are 5 baby mamas, and dumb quasiprostitutes who sell their bodies on the Internet. They are women, desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:18 PM
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Wouldnt date
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:58 PM
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How hot am I? And how old?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:43 PM
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I was asked Can you elaborate? Would you not date someone like yourself? It's right there dude
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:09 PM
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Then why is the title of the post If you woke up as a straight woman, what kind of partner would you go for?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:49 PM
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How? I'm a man with no interest in dating, and certainly no interest in going for one woman who happens to like me. If I was a woman, I couldn't get me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:26 PM
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I'd stay single
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:45 PM
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Men need to adapt and improve their single lives, decenter women just like women decentered men already. And we need to stop paying for them also
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:43 AM
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2) The bar is low as hell. This is repeated over and over again but it's not actually true. The top 10% most sexually active men are having more sexual partners now than ever before Meanwhile, all data suggests people are having fewer partners than before overall. So the way sex is distributed among the male population has significantly altered to the benefit of those who do well with women, which then leaves far more men unable to find sexual partners at all. The bar has never been higher; on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:44 AM
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That can happen, the other can also happen. People can change from experience and from learning new things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:35 AM
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Literally the only difference is his knowledge of something that happened in the past in a completely different relationship No, that's not the only difference. That person would have learned that the person they've tied their emotional life to, considered someone else worthy of better treatment. That is a difference you refuse to account for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:32 AM
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Because once again, if it was truly important for you to be "treated" a certain way, then you never would have accepted otherwise to begin with You are not static. You change. The things that were important to you as ten years ago are different from the things that are important to you now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:25 AM
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Someone putting less effort into you than they did into other people clearly communicates that they care less about you than they did their ex. If you're fine with that You are free to choose differently of course
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:04 AM
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It does make sense, people didn't spring into existance when they met you, they've proven who they are in their relationships with other people. No person will ever give you everything you want. If it turns out someone used to give more to someone else, but isn't willing to do the same to you, they are clearly communicating that you're not as important now as that person was then. This is so obvious, I think the reason you fall back of weird sarcasm is that you want to make another point which y…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:00 AM
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Based on available sentencing data and research, women generally receive shorter sentences than men for similar crimes, including violent offenses. So women get shorter sentences than men for rape. If your argument was "rape is not sentences harshly enough", I would agree completely. But your argument is "This is a systemic issue where men arent facing consequences for their actions". Women are facing lesser consequences for their actions than men. Women are no put on murder trial for abortions …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:51 PM
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Okay but this is unrelated to everything that was said before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:32 PM
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I'm not going to settle for less than he gave another woman. I get the sense you're being facetious but you shouldn't be. Yes if he treated his exes better than you, that shouldn't be acceptable to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:16 PM
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I agree with both those positions. I'm a bit unclear, are you saying you disagree with both?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:15 PM
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Right, and so I think we can agree on a conclusion; looks matter far less to womens lives than to mens. The outcomes are far more equal for women than they are for men based on physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:05 PM
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.. by counting up all the different regards...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:02 PM
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My ancestors are dead - clearly they were losers
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:02 PM
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I mean men are very well documented to face more severe punishment for equal crimes so if men are not facing consequences for their action, what is there to say about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:00 PM
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According to a report from the Australian Institute of Criminology via SBS The Feed, men are 11.5 times more likely than women to be killed by a stranger. According to data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, approximately 63% of women do not walk alone in their local area after dark, compared to 31% of men. This indicates that men are roughly twice as likely to be out walking alone at night. Statistics don't agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:58 PM
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I agree with your point but I would like to ask you a follow up; do you believe that men, agreeing to far higher voluntary risk, ought to earn more than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:55 PM
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By the same argument, no man is truly poor. No man is truly addicted to drugs. No man is truly disadvantaged in any way. There is always a level of effort that will bring people out of their current circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:34 PM
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It's the difficulty level being to high. Competitions can not be won by everyone, there has to be losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:52 PM
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If you showed these 6800 men to 6800 women, how many would go for those same 4 guys I wonder. God I'd rather kill myself than be a man on the apps again
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:48 PM
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Feminism is female interest collective, so they will fight for what is good for women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:07 PM
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The imbalance you're seeing is men's sex drive. How does that change the outcome? It's almost impossible to define an equivalent when masculinity and femininity are using different scales and with the amount of archetypes that are socially acceptable. That's fine, I can agree with that opinion. That was never in contention however.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:45 PM
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Why not entirely, if it's exploitative?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:14 PM
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Your thoughts and feelings are not facts. That is not a response to anything. Please stay on topic and respectful. "Success in sex" is due to the compulsive, indiscriminate male libido. That's not due to looks. Rather odd thing to say right after saying "Your thoughts and feelings are not fact". "Success in relationships" - you have actual data for this? The authors concluded that 'very unattractive' women were more likely to be married or cohabitating then merely unattractive or even average to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:14 PM
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So you don't believe that, for instance, Polish men should be able to go to Norway and work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:53 PM
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So you oppose labor immigration?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:51 PM
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Women who are very unattractive are having way more success in sex and relationships than men who are very unattractive. So if we define lookmatch as the equivalent percentile attractiveness as determined by consensus, there does indeed seem to be an imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:48 PM
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I don't understand why having sex with women from poorer countries is "exploiting the vulnerable" but hiring a man from poorer cultures to clean your gutters is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:21 PM
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The military choses for people who are violent and actively work to make them more comfortable with violence. It's not indicative of male social relationships. I'm in two different board game groups with only men. They're no less safe than LGBT board game groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:15 PM
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Seems entirely fair
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:08 PM
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Yes, for those women. Not for women as a whole, unless opting out completely becomes the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:42 PM
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Solutions are moral - you have to say that something exists that ought to be otherwise. You might as well ask for a solution to gravity. This predicament exists and will continue to exist as long as conditions remain similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:36 PM
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Because humans learn from experience and a large portion of men barely ever experience women being interested in them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:20 PM
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I don't see how this would benefit men. It would suck for most people and benefit a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:32 AM
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“Sexual distribution”? As in, who are having sex, and in this case in particular, which men are having sex. Removing that variable by avoiding romantic relationships is a great way to avoid that sort of abuse. Yes, that is true and I don't disagree at all. Women withdrawing from sexual relationships is by far the best way to prevent sexual abuse. However, that is not my point of contention; my point of contention is your idea that "Women are choosing better". As research has proven, over the las…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:26 AM
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You
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:52 AM
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Many of us are friends with women. You've made up an enemy in your head and refuse to see the forest for the trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:10 AM
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No, you're simply not chosing to engage with other people, instead relying on stereotypes you've picked up from somewhere else. Read this very thread. Examples of what you talk about are.. well I haven't seen them, though of course I may have missed something. The evidence is right here in front of your eyes. The top comment chain is about how this situation is similar to anorexia in the 90's, and discussing how that situation was alleviated. The second comment focuses on the scholarship of femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:08 AM
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My intention was analysis, I didn't mean to make you feel better either or worse
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:02 AM
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What? Are you saying that women had such difficulties finding a man that would sleep with them, that they began killing themselves in ever-increasing numbers? I'm willing to have my mind changed. Please provide an example of such a situatio.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:58 AM
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Specifically how women are all the same, all shallow and manipulative, how they're barely more mature than children and should be manipulated in return. Why do you get this idea? This forum is such a place. You see a very wide range of opinions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:58 AM
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I wish more men could see a relationship in the way women do: a nice to have but not a necessity. If relationships were as accessable for men as they were for women, that would be the case. We think different because we are intuitive creatures. We learn from experience. Male and female life experiences are different, and so the humans that experience either will form different intutations. Once all the looksmaxxing doesn’t bear fruit I fear violence is going to happen next. Im terrified for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:57 AM
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Exactly. It's easier to meet than before. This hasn't lead, as many would have hoped, to people having more sexual partners than before. It has however lead to the most sexually active men being far more active than before. So if the men that in previous generations would have slept with 50 women, in this generation instead has sex with 100, and the total amount of sexual partners stay the same or decline, that means at least 50 fewer sexual partners for the men below this class. Women get to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:52 AM
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It's harder to date in large part because it's hard to get in front of the right people to begin with. I'd argue the opposite, it's easier to meet people now than ever before. This leads to it being easier for the most attractive men to meet women than before. Since people aren't increasing the amount of sexual partners they have, the only possible development from this is that more attractive men take up an ever growing share of the total amount of sex that men have, leaving less for the rest, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:49 AM
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Men are getting a little taste of what having strict beauty standards feels like when they've had no issue imposing those on women since the beginning of time. Are women supposed to feel bad for them? Women have never, ever, at any point in history, in any place, had the same problems men are facing right now. What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:45 AM
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Or, and hear me out here, your social circle is not entirely representative of the totality of human experience
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:44 AM
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It provides community for people struggling with common issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:39 AM
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And what's for sure: the red pill isn't helping them. It makes them even more bitter and lonely and isolated and wary of women. How is that for sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:39 AM
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but how do you get men to not base their worth on female validation? You don't because very basic human desires, like sexual intimacy, is locked behind female validation. There's no smart sentence or attitude campaign that will change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:37 AM
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No one slept with them or married them to get rid of those problems Well that was never what their problem was, how is this even remotely an equivalence? Why do young boys and men feel so worthless without the company of women? It's because for men, finding sexual partners is an actual challenge, and women are the referees that decide whether we get to or not. This is not the case for women, who can find men whether they're anorexic or overweight. The reason men are as we are, is because male ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:36 AM
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The more interesting question would be: do you think people deserve intervention. We all agree, well most of us, that no one deserves or is entitled to a relationship. Do people deserve and/or are entitled to intervention when they are mistreated?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:58 AM
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Morality is not an intellectual proposition, it's an evolutionary development that allowed us to curate our immediate social environment, which begot us the ability to form larger groups that were in turn able to outcompete other groups of humans. You're right of course that explaining morals is like explaining taste. I like strawberries because I just do. I feel morality because I just do. I share your aversions to peoples post-fact rationalizations of what is purely intuitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:56 AM
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Rates of sexual abuse are up. Women are reporting more spitting, slapping, uninvited anal sex etc. etc. The results of changes in sexual distribution aren't causing women any victories either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:43 AM
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Rates of sexual abuse are up. Women are reporting more spitting, slapping, uninvited anal sex etc. etc. The results of changes in sexual distribution aren't causing women any victories either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:42 AM
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Yes, and this applies to social change more generally. Ideologies don't just happen, they are responses to inequalities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:09 AM
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Yeah this argument is "men with no options should be chosier" which is.. a perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:36 PM
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1% of men commit 63% of violent crime If you take those out, men are not much more violent than women. Most men are roughly as violent as most women. If women were stronger, perhaps a tiny tiny group of women would be violent as well but most women would clearly have zero increase in violence if we switched strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:32 PM
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Yeah same, I have never worried about coming off as creepy and people who do are probably creepy. I don't approach women because the rejection is constant and soul-crushing and I've learned to be reasonably happy in life without romance or intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:59 PM
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There's a massive difference between these two groups of people Women who date, romance and fuck for a while, discover they're not satisfied and so make the informed decision to step away vs Men who never date, romance or fuck, who wish for these things but can't get them, and gradually fall into despair It's like the difference between a rich person who after a while decides on a more ascetic lifestyle, and someone born into poverty and remaining poor their entire life
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:48 PM
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It's the exact same argument every single time. If dating is so bad for women, they can just... not do it. The fact that women overwhelmingly chose to date, means that women would rather engage in the dating scene, warts and all, than be life-long celibates. That means they are chosing to have those problems, rather than to have the problems men are facing. It's completely coherent, you know that it is, and so you keep going on long tangents to ruin rather that participate in conversation, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:39 PM
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It is an answer, you dont want to engage as I am right
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:55 PM
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If women dont like their porblems, they can just chose to have mens problems instead...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:12 PM
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You cant step away from want, you can step away from excess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:34 PM
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No one is forcing anyone to do anything. But if it's good enough for men, it's good enough for women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:33 PM
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No but it's often part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:33 PM
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He said some hurtful things during that conversation. He knew I briefly had a thing with a baseball player in college and he said how I was "happy getting on my hand and knees to get assfucked my a left-fielder but suddenly became a prude for me." God this is the most I've laughed in a week
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:08 AM
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Would you show more empathy for a person who says “you will never understand what it’s like to be hungry!” vs a person who says “I’m really hungry”? If that person has been really, really hungry then I'd certainly show humility towards that. I know some people that crossed the desert to get to the Mediterranean, one of the guys lost his wife on the crossing. If they tell me I don't know what struggle is then yeah I'd agree with them completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:06 AM
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They don't swipe right on the first five though, they go through a lot of profiles and swipe right on roughly 6% of them on average from what I've read
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:05 AM
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What on earth are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:04 AM
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So are you truly in the position of choosers when what you can choose from is potentially dangerous, and if something bad happens to you, society will uniquevocally blame you for it? First of, yes that doesn't change the fact that they are the chosers, and secondly, society will not uniquevocally blame women for it. There are some parts of society that will, but uniquevocally is just disingenious. Don't you think there are many straight women who find themselves sexually frustrated with no possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:05 AM
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Women are also far more likely to suffer abuse during sex, less likely to orgasm, and they can get pregnant from it. Women have loads of reasons to have less sex than men do. And because women want to have sex less than men do, the distribution of sex becomes far more even for women. They have the position of chosers, as the supply of male sexuality far outstrips the female desire for it. I haven't had sex for 12-13 years, this situation is far more common for men than for women. I have friends,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:53 AM
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Women also have much more evenly distributed sex though, that is a massive factor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:23 AM
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Can I ask, did you agree with the whole "bear over man thing"? If you didn't then I have no issue with this opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:11 AM
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“I don’t get matches on dating apps” is different from “women only think 5% of men are attractive.” That seems quite true, though, women usually swipe on 5% of men on dating apps which is all the data we have “women don’t even understand what it’s like to be lonely.” I've been single and sexless for 14 years, I don't agree that there are many women who understand loneliness to that degree. Every person experiences only their own feelings, but if someone for instance has gone very hungry, they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:10 AM
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I wouldn't mind waiting for sex, I would mind having to wait for sex while other men didn't have to. If you're always slow about it then I wouldn't have a problem about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:22 PM
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Periods are frankly a completely different subject. Men have higher risk of getting murdered. Not everything about a gender has to do with sexual reproduction. Rape is very broad. Sarah Everard couldn't avoid hers. But the most common form, which is the so called "nachpiel-rape", can be avoided by staying home and away from everyone. Good enough for men, good enough for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:43 PM
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So what? I can’t go to college unless a man decides he wants to go? Nah, the way to get more men enrolled into higher education is to make higher education more accessible to everyone. Men aren’t applying to college at the same rate that women are. Doesn’t mean women should be punished. Depends, did you have good enough grades to make the cutoff? And it's not women being punished. It's women being given the same as men. I strongly suspect the imbalance of men and women in university will either …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:41 PM
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For instance: Cap education to 50/50. Women have a clear preference for men who have more education than themselves; at the same time, women attend higher education at twice the rate men do. Ensuring a 50/50 parity in university would strengthen mens position. Tie childcare-money from government to first-time parenthood. If you are having children with a partner who has no previous children, you get generous benefits, if you are having children with a partner with previous children, you get no b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:12 PM
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How is that any different for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:59 PM
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They shouldn't have any, who claimed that they should? The post responds to the very common claim that men are advantaged over women. The poster is saying that is not the case. Did you honestly read this to mean that men should have advantages over women? It's hard to imagine this as anything but a straight up bad faith attempt to derail the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:49 PM
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I imagine you'll continue to ignore these things because they're harmful to your case It's not harmful to my case, it's integral to it. All you said above is perfectly in line with what I believe. Once again, the uneven risks vs benefits tradeoff of sex between men and women is equally involuntary for both, and more unfair to women No, women can chose to step away. "Oh no I have to work harder for something I get immense benefits from" is more "unfair" than "I have endless opportunity to engage …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:24 PM
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I have many ideas. Capping education at a gender basis, for instance, to ensure 50/50 distribution of education among men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:32 PM
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No, we are talking about women being systemically advantaged by policies designed to alleviate natural unfairness. When unfairness is in womens disfavor, such as with wage differences, we need massive government investments dedicated to remove the unfairness. For instance, every government in the western world is engaged in practices that transfers wealth from men to women. I have never argued that women should earn less for equal work. I am arguing that women make less because of unequal work p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:30 PM
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If you want to make the "dating marked more fair for men", as the OP is asking, which I interpret to mean that sex would be more evenly distributed among men - the 10% of men that has the most sex partners would lose sexpartners while the 50% or so of men with the fewest would see a commencerate increase - there are many policies one could institute to incentivise different behaviour. For one, what if the state only pays support for children with first-time parents. That would reduce the financi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:21 PM
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I freely aknowledge the cause. Men are more incentivised to have sex than women, which creates an economic surplus of male sexuality that leaves women in the position of chosers. The predicament that emerges from this imbalance is that women are the chosers, and so are free to engage in sex near regardless of personal qualities, while men are competing for a limited amount of sex that is distributed by women. Mens failures are thus not voluntary, while women's failures are simple to avoid. Yet w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:09 PM
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