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My point is that men with little relationship-experience aren't going to see things the same as people with more experience; it's the same reason it's so hard to convince teenagers not to take obviously bad decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:40 PM
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I can explain it easily; men want sex more often and faster than women. Imagine there are ten men and ten women. Men want to have sex more; let's imvent some values and see how the system develops. Let's say each woman want to have sex once, and each man wants to have sex three times. Well, the most attractive man and woman both manage their goals. She has sex once, he has sex three times. There are now 7 instances of sex left. The second most attractive man can't pull of the three he wanted, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:05 PM
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Yes, exactly. That is the most common thing to occur when someone suddenly comes into a lot of money. Do you think this realisation will make all the poor people stop dreaming of riches?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:53 PM
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What do red pilled men think will happen when they do eventually get into a relationship? What do poor people think will happen when they do eventually get money?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:34 PM
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The leverage is a consequence of the social dynamics that develop between two groups having sex with one another while there's am imbalance of desire
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:32 PM
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Men have demonstrated how their tendencies in power include high levels of preference for their own group having power. They want their own group to be able to act with complete and utter impunity, as demonstrated by the current world It's so funny how this is actually demonstrably untrue; men categorically do not do this as has been amply proven. Women do however, and so you imagine that if we have power, we will do what you do: discriminate in favor of our own gender. But we don't. Study after…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:30 AM
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How would a post gender world deal with all the issues peculiar to being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:32 AM
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God What happens if men want sex more than women? Just try and think about it for five seconds......
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:27 AM
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Men don't have internal bias the way women do. Men don't tend to discriminate in favor or other men when they have the power to do so, unlike women who have been proven to have a very large in-group preference that leads to discrimination when women apply power unchecked. As for why, my guess would be rape. Common threats bring people together; if there was a third gender that were always beating up and raping men, I imagine we would develop a much greater sense of community as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:37 AM
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Just keep in mind that left-wing policies involve enormous transfers of wealth away from men and over to women. And the question "why are women overwhelmingly left" starts becoming easier to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:47 PM
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What are you talking about? It's like me attacking feminism for their belief that free marked economics are beneficial for medium sized economies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:28 PM
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Why do you think this has to do with TRP? You're arguing against classic conservativism. There's nothing here I disagree with except the ridiculous notion that this is something I would disagree with...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:23 PM
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Immigrants tend to skew male
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:49 PM
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They have an actual plot instead of naked hero's journey
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:21 PM
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Nah you cant defend the point so you do this irrational personal attack manouvre.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:40 AM
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Bro grew up a slave on a sand-planet. Why wouldn't he hate sand?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:34 AM
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You're changing the subject
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:23 AM
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Sure but she was happy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:07 AM
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Why would anyone want to be with someone that isn't excited to be with you? My ex was excited to be with me, didn't want to break up and told me years later I was her best boyfriend. I tried for 6 years until I finally got here. You're ignoring a great deal of human experience because it doesn't fit your point. Other may not be so charitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:37 AM
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Why wouldn't a person care about their own problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:33 AM
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The best Star Wars movie are the ones with Anakin Skywalker, the old ones are soo boring and also they just suck? Why can Luke beat Vader? He practiced for like two weeks and got angry. Why did no one practice for two weeks and get angry before?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:28 AM
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Women being physically weaker than men and subject to violence is also '"just how the world works" but I guess you want remedies for that...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:30 AM
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You didn’t meet the bar that was set for everyone equally And just like in the rest of life, the bar is not equal; it's far higher if you're born male
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:22 AM
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s. A woman with a mate value in the 60th percentile may desperately long for a partner, but if the biochemical algorithm that governs her mating strategies—in response to her materially abundant environment—will not release love-inducing hormones unless a potential partner scores above the 90th percentile, pair-bonding becomes less likely. Similarly, our female ancestors may not intentionally have wanted to become a single mother, yet still have been emotionally motivated to behave in a way that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:42 PM
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Validity is not a question that politics concerns itself with - if enough people have interest in a policy to be pushed through, then that policy will be pushed through. Anything is valid if there is support enough for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:33 PM
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No, men don't get women pregnant. Women become pregnant. You want nice things for you and bad things for the people you hate. You don't care about whether your arguments make sense; you just want nice things to happen to you and bad things to happened to the group you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:59 AM
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No the main reason they don't draft women is because the women affected are a group that participates heavily in voting. Women's right to abortion is not "valid" - it's a result of political interplay. The groups that want it vote in larger numbers than the groups against it; whenever that is not the case, the abortion rights fall away. Mens lack of a right to abortion come from the same place - demographic weakness. The men who care about this, are not numerous enough, motivated enough and do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:57 AM
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It's just a socially learned position; they know what is right because that's what their ingroup is built upon. Then they need to rationalise and so they make arguments that gets them where they want to go. Then the argumenta conflict with one another but that's not a problem; their opinions didn't emerge from arguments anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:36 AM
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Also, the gender disadvantage can easily be rectified by drafting women, as they do in Isreal, Norway and Sweden. I don't know about Israel but feminists talking about Scandinavian draft is about as honest as men worrying about the draft (which I agree is simply a convenient argument and not a concern).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:21 AM
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It's the standard of bigots - hate is wrong except my hate actually. Moralists not holding themselves to any sort of intellectual standard will never not be funny to me. The M&M analogy dropping a couple months before the Syrian refugee crisis, and the entire pop-left coalition having to pivot on how this metaphor doesn't apply to immigrants has only been matched once; when the discourse on male abortion the to the feminist mantra: "if you don't wanna have a baby, don't have sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:18 AM
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How is getting an advanced degree in psychology hard to begin with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:10 AM
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I was banned from r/soccer for saying "this may or may not have happened" when someone posted Ronaldo rape accustations lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:17 PM
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I have this accounted RES-tagged as "woman lying about being a man" for some reason so it might be that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:28 PM
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You were born entitled and are looking down through your nose at people wishing for 1% of what you get simply for being born a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:26 PM
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No it's a numbers game, you just don't understand numbers and prefer to think in vague terms that are emotionally satisfying to you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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If you have incredibly niche skills that most people don't have. I'm a plumber. I seek employment within construction, usually plumbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:10 PM
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So you've changed your mind then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:07 PM
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Because it is a numbers game. If I can't get any women, I won't find someone. If I can get many women, then there will be several women I could get who would be good for me. This idea that men should just be starved for sexual contact until at age 31 they find one single woman who matches their freak, and then we should be able to be good partners and great in relationships with zero practice, entirely psychologically unburdened by endless rejection and absent-minded towards the enormously unequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:05 PM
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A lot of men are scared of being charismatic and interesting because they’re worried about coming across as a little fruity. You live in your own world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:57 AM
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Basic math. If the hot guys are getting more than a proportional amount of women, then the rest of us are getting disproportionally little.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:47 AM
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A good question to ask yourself when you give men dating advice is "is this good advice for seeking employment" and if it's not, maybe it's not good dating advice either
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:46 AM
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Yes, the powerful people are happy and when the powerful are happy, there will be no change. But the powerless will whine about it, as is always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:41 AM
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The long term single dudes who don't focus on being masculine remain single as well - the determining factor isn't whether men try to be masculine or not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:40 AM
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I know there's no point to arguing with bad faith actors but I remain an eternal optimists so here we go: You're thinking of "getting laid" the way a man does. Yes It's getting your hole stuffed And this is the negation And you're thinking about it the way a woman does. Another inversion Okay, so you would prefer to have your hole stuffed. No - because we already inverted and this statement is in the context of "what women want" - not "what men want". If you want to continue in good faith, we ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:27 PM
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Yes. And you're thinking about it the way a woman does. And so we feel differently about it. That's OPs and my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:19 PM
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Yeah cause you're a woman. As a man I think the other thing is worse - at least the lady in the first example got laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:14 PM
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We've had 200 years of feminism but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:12 PM
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Very good points, I haven't thought about this much but point 2 in particular I think is very pertinent!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:09 PM
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Your explanation for sexual scarcity ultimately rests on women bearing a much greater reproductive cost from sex. No it doesn't, did you bother to read my comment? My argument built on three pillars: reproductive roles, sexual safety, and tendency to orgasm. If you have two fundamentally equal populations (I dont believe the male brain is more sexual than womens or vica versa), and uneven incetive structures, you will get different results. Women bear the brunt of the reproductive cost - pills h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:58 PM
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I have friends, a job, a social life, extroversion capability and social hobbies that don't involve screens. Still incel for 15 years :) but if you make up a caricature in your head of what incels are like, then you can invent a world in which your worldview makes sense :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:22 PM
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Sex....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:20 PM
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months lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:12 PM
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Ugly, socially awkward, autistic people fuck around all the time, assholes, lazy bums, cheaters, xanthippes, fat women, bald men, among every category there are people getting sex. But not in equal amounts. Black people make money all the times is not an argument against the fact that black people make less money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:09 PM
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No, this isn't it. We live in a world we can experience and thus we have access to empirical data. The red pill is an umbrella terms for ideologies that attempt to understand and use this data to improve the situation of its adherents. To what degree data is being understood correctly, and to what degree bitter and resentful individuals seek out these ideologies to harvest their grievances for their own purposes will vary, but it will do so for every possible interest collective and this is noth…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:57 PM
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It's pointless to blame womens standards yes - but it's valuable to understand and desiminate them, both for contextualizing your individual experience and for modeling social reality in a more expanded sense. Or would it make more sense to ask ourselves how we can improve our social and communication skills, accepting that you can’t force attraction? Improving your financial situation and garnering status is more important to a man than social skills. If I am the most fun and relaxed person in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:44 PM
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Pump and dump doesn't actually include a timeline, nor does it preclude anything between the two events; all the phrase says it that two events happened chronologically. My grandfather died before my grandmother. I propose he pumped and dumped her
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:43 PM
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I don't want to be seen as attractive - I want to attract...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:45 PM
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Categories are made up. You can perfectly well invent and apply categories in which sex and gold fit into different sets. But sets are malliable. If we define them differently, we must apply them differently; directly as a consequence of the fact that categories are imposed upon nature by concioussness. Platonism, the concept that things belong to a category ontoclogically, is simply a terrible framework for understanding anything. So let's make a new category: "Falamti". Falamti is defined as s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:28 PM
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Wrong. The role of sexual history and its impact on partner appraisal and mate choice have been considered before, particularly in Western countries. Such research revealed that willingness to get involved with (e.g., date) a suitor declines as their number of past sexual partners increases 27, 28 , with few sex differences 29 , and a slightly more muted effect in short-term mating contexts 21 or among those employing a short-term mating strategy 28 . Research also points to the existence of cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:58 AM
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That's a lot of words for... absolutely nothing lol. If men can nor know what it's like to be women, women can not know what it's like to be men. Claiming that logic works one way but that women are just super special actually is just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:47 AM
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Question: In this scenario, am I sexually attracted to my brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:42 PM
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The best men I know to be married to usually have 3-4 partners over a lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:40 PM
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Because men are fractured by our social inequalities, we cannot form a unified moralist narrative. Some men will happily sacrifice the interests of other men to align with the more cohesive female idological bloc if it helps those men maintain their own individual positions of power. Academics, for instance, who tend to work in public institutions, have a vested interest in the advancement of public institutions. Women, who tend to work in public institutions, have aligned interests. And as inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:30 PM
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Results show that, when comparing students who have identical subject-specific competence, teachers are more likely to give higher grades to girls. Furthermore, they demonstrate for the first time that this grading premium favouring girls is systemic, as teacher and classroom characteristics play a negligible role in reducing it. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01425692.2022.2122942
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:46 PM
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Sure. Girls get better grades than boys for the same performance throughout 13-17 years of education. Young women are then massively advantaged in the intake process for higher education through massively disproportionate programs and extra points awarded for gender. Women are then advantaged in the hiring process, where women have been well proven to discriminate in favor of women, while men show a slight preference to women. Then women are given priority position and reserved seats at higher p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:45 PM
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women have had to work twice as hard as men for the same positions Saying it doesn't make it true. All the nepotism has miraculously disappeared from the workplace Nepotism benefits both women and men. Meanwhile, we know that when hiring, women have a massive preference for women, while men have a slight preference for women. This is empirically well established. and lazy women are swanning around the office taking in the big bucks Women do not need to perform as well as men to achieve equal res…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:41 PM
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It’s not the same performance if the grades are different It is. Girls get better grades for performing the same as boys. It's a bias in grading that impacts men negatively for 13-17 of their most formative years. Nepotism with no skills is still more common than DEI with exceptional skills Even if that is true, one wrong doesn't excuse another. Plus they need to be pretty and super amicable. No, women do perfectly well despite being unattractive and confrontational. In fact, there's a significa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:35 PM
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More like women and underrepresented both at top and bortom and have a much stranger tendency than men to congregste towards the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:42 PM
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Women do more housework = descriptive, measurably Women should do more housework = prescriptive, moralistic. Why don't you go read a little bit about science
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:26 PM
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Describing human behaviour is entirely different from describing how humans are supposed to function. The former is descriptive, the latter is prescriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:11 PM
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No lol this is so wrong. Science is descriptive. You're jumping the is/ought border. Literally everyone who knows what science is, knows this. It's not a question or an opinion: you're basically screaming to the world you never bothered with Hume or Popper. Science tells us nothing about what ought to be. It simply approximate reality. That's it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:59 PM
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Then yeh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:01 PM
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Does she do anal?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:40 PM
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Western women in Africa has a little bit of western man in thailand-vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:38 PM
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Well of course it's more rewarding to be successful than not to be, but no matter how high she climbs, she will still be in a position to be mistreated by men, for instance. Angelina Jolie could hardly be more successful, she was still the victim of domestic violence to Brad Pitt.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:33 PM
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I claim that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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You grew up rich. We didn't all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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If that's what they enjoy most why wouldn't they go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:13 PM
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A great many people do hang out with drug addicts actually. Your privilege is showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:12 PM
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Women are children, not people. Who is excluded here? No one else were talking about children after all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:09 PM
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Literally all four of these men were heavy drugs addicts
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:33 PM
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Telling on yourself a bit here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:13 PM
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What's a small advantage about getting better grades for the same performance for 13-17 years in school? What's a small advantage about being given extra points to get into schools you wouldn't normally get at the expense of men? What's a small advantage about being given high level board positions you wouldn't otherwise get, at the expense of men? Women's advantages are massive and sustained. 67% of higher education going to women isn't a fluke or a mistake, it's a result of massive and endorse…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:06 PM
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My mom is wonderful and was abused. My stepmother is quite cool, and was abused. My ex is wonderful and was abused. One of my best friends is wonderful and was abused. I was lucky to get my ex and would've been lucky to get with my friend. This idea that assholes men only get asshole women is very, very far from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:04 PM
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Theres a measurably smaller difference in women. Fewer in poverty, fewer rich. Fewer sexless, fewer sexually hyperactive. Fewer suicides, fewer murders. Fewer with very low IQ, fewer with very high IQ. Unattractive women are roughly as sexually active as attractive women, for men attractive ones average significantly more sexual activity and less attractive ones significantly less. You should check out Greater Male Variance Hypotehesis. It's empirically well proven that male life has higher vari…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:01 PM
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Are you saying that women who get with assholes are idiots? Because you say that assholes get shallow, egotistical and dysfunctional women. So when a woman gets with an asshole, it then follows that it's a result of her being shallow, egotistical and dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:50 PM
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Don't bother, this dude could google what science is, but he refuses to do so and decide its some moralistic system. You can't fix that with arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:42 PM
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Well it's not unfounded. Exaggerated perhaps, but there's so many areas of life where women get a huge, sustained and unfair advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:41 PM
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That's not my point. My point is that it doesn't matter if women can climb as high as men; they don't get the same benefits. Emma Watson has far more in common with some unattractive woman in your town than Cristiano has with some unattractive man on your town
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:40 PM
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It means any effort you put into life is rewarded higher if you're a woman than a man. A white person who puts effort in gets better outcomes than a black person with the same effort. Should black people just get over that, because black people who work hard get better outcomes than those who doesn't? Why should a group ignore their own discrimination? Would you expect that from any other group than "men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:14 PM
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Best comment here. Personally I believe a difference between men and women is that women's problems are far more evenly distributed. A woman can never "climb high enough to escape being a woman", a rich, powerful, well-connected and beautiful woman will still be imprisoned to some extent by being a woman. Men on the other hand have our problems far more unevenly distributed. Men can climb above the prison of being a man; however because our problems are far more concentrated at the bottom, we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:39 PM
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School/uni -- is it your observation that women obtain success here (good grades, good placements, admission to competitive programs, degrees) with low effort, or dramatically less effort than their male colleagues Yes. Girls get better grades than boys for the same performance; this is well documented. Corporate hiring -- is it your observation that women are hired with fewer credentials, noticeably fewer applications or interviews, that they are more often hired into higher roles, or receive a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:32 PM
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Isn't the assumptions of Feminists the same but in reverse? How could women know they're disadvantaged if they've never been men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:26 PM
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Don't buy that you're a physicist. You're lying on the internet. No physicist would make those claims
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:56 PM
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I dont. You said something categorically incorrect. It's like if I said that the sun is my mother. There is no point in making a counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:50 PM
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We GENUINELY have to develop mathematical models to explain reality, that's what physics is. Like, that's what physics tautologically is. No, math is not used to explain reality, that's not what physics is. Physics uses math to approximate reality. This is basic instrumentalism. Further, fitting models to correspond to empirical data might be useful on occasion but it is categorically not scientific. Science, or physics, is a three step epistemological process in which the first step is to appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:49 PM
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I'm a man, my ex wanted sex less often than I did, but she wanted more of it than I wanted. I would have liked sex once a day sometimes twice. She wanted sex maybe twice a week but a very long multirounds thing. Ended up horny a lot of the time and then unable to give enough dick when she wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:36 PM
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That's not science lol you're ascribing a value-judgement. Why on earth would you think scientists assign moral value to activities??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 PM
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I dont believe you're a physicist, what you're describing is literally the opposite of science. You're describing fitting models to correspond to empirical evidence, which is entirely antithetical to scientific progress where the predictive power of a theory is what is measured.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:32 PM
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Human experience and their intuitive conclusions is how we get every bad thoughtsystem ever. Why don't marketers just ask people what they want anymore? Because we have ample evidence that what people say about their hypothetical future behaviour, and the way they actually behave, are very weakly correlated. As with anything else of value, empiricism is the way to understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:30 PM
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This is it. Women have inherent value, men don't, and so were left to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:07 PM
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Empirisism has spoken
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:05 PM
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Very attractive if you're a man, terribly unattractive if you're a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:02 PM
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Passport bros are not bros. Some poor dude from the Philipines having to compete not only against his own but also against a bunch of richer assholes from oversees has legitimate reason to hate passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:22 PM
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The ones who still live that is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 07:23 AM
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Most dating advice for struggling men are not given with a genuine desire to help, but with the intent to minimise their issues so as to soothe the person giving advice. You are right of course. I once spent two years on Tinder, zero dates. My friend, who has always slept around a lot, created a Tinder account to days two days later to show me, and had five dates within an hour and a half. Truth is as a man there's not enough to go around and in numbers, women are far more likely to go for an ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:39 AM
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you are assuming women simply redistribute themselves among the remaining men. In reality, some women remain single, relationships vary in duration, many people serially date rather than concurrently date, and partner distributions are far more complex I'm not assuming that, you're assuming that. Unless female sexual participation drops equally to men, you see an increase in sexual violence. I would start caring when men become accountable to personal choices And that's when I would start caring…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:53 PM
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The so called gilette-ad ideology? That mean need to hold one another accountable? which is states on here daily?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:51 PM
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And women who stopped having sex, weren't having sex with the incels before. If women start having twice as much sex with men, the guy who slept with 10 women now gets to have sex with 20, while the man who had sex with zero, still gets to have sex with zero. Meanwhile, if women decide to stop having sex, the man who had sex with ten will now only get to have sex with five. Meanwhile the guy who had sex with zero, still gets to have sex with zero. Women's sexual choices affect men they have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:42 PM
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You don't have any proof that violent men who obtain substantially more sexual partners than nonviolent men have an increase that is large enough to affect population-level abuse rates No, but that was not my original claim either - just a weird sideshow you wanted to talk about. Population-level rates of intimate partner violence and sexual abuse are primarily driven by widespread social norms, gender inequality, and systemic behavioral patterns, rather than the specific reproductive output of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:33 PM
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I have no problems with that. But women want our help when those partners that you do chose turn out to be bad. That's what I react to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:32 PM
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Unselected men are just angry that we don’t agree with them on who they think should be considered attractive Personally I'm angry that women's groups wont recognize the enormous advantages your sexual position puts you in and insists that women are victims. Pick whomever you want. But when you fail it's your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:24 PM
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Yet it's undeniably the case that the proportion of male sexual activity which is dedicated to violent men is directly related to male sexual abuse. If none of the violent men had any sex, none of the sex would be violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:13 PM
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I couldn't work today due to heavy rain. What to do all day but reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:19 PM
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Let's say 10% of men are violent. If those 10% of men have 10% of the total sex, then women have sex with violent men 10% of the time. If those 10% of men have 30% of the total sex, then women have sex with violent men 30% of the time. Of course the distribution of sex is a decisive factor for the outcomes. The larger a proportion of male sexual participation is restricted to a smaller subset of extremely promiscuous men, the more women experience these men and the less they experience men as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:51 PM
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No they're not. Men suffer far more real and material loss for failing to adhere to beautystandards than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:45 PM
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No, I claimed that women rape, with lower frequency than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:11 AM
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Yes, and also sex being hyper competitive for men means that the competition is mostly won by the same people who win competitions - people who are incredibly motivated and try real hard. We're seeing a larger and larger share if male sexual participation being distributed to men selected for sexual aggressiveness and a pathological desire to sleep with many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:10 AM
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Because those people have problems that can be helped. I'm stuck in poverty - no one can really help you I'm always alone - no one can really help you There's no point in life, why should I go on? - no one can really help you I'm a bit sad - well that can be helped. So people with small and transient problems will understand your problems as small and transient as well and just tell you to talk to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:03 AM
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Mens beauty standards are so much higher lol. Ugly women get married and have sex at the same rates as other women, and higher rates than beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:00 AM
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My coworker had a mother with an autoimmune disorder. She was very, very concerned we all get vaccinated. We all did it as sook as possible of course. Didn't really need to extra motivation. But it leaves me to wonder how many avoidable deaths we suffered from people like your colleague.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:58 AM
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When the amount of men who are sexually active goes down, but the amount of women who are sexually active stay the same or reduce at a slower rate, it directly and necessarily leads go increases in sexual abuse committed by men against women. When we see that sexually aggressive attitudes is actively selected for, this effect increases manifold. I dont think women should lower their standards. Do as you like. But the increase in rape-after-consent activities, like uninvited anal, spitting, slapp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:56 AM
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Statistics back up thr claim that highly promiscuous men are more likely to think statements like "there are situations in which it's morally acceptable to have sex with a woman who doesn't want to" warrant agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:50 AM
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It's a clarification request as you wanted me to provide something which is unclear to me. So in order to find proof against your statement, I need to understand what you're claiming. So let's try again. Your claim is that women do not rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:48 AM
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I'm sorry are you saying that women never rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:44 AM
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They do actually. Not nearly as frequently as men, because they a) get consent anyway and so force is meaningless and b) lack the force to compell men. In this context, as OP says, consent is just given automatically. Like being a woman. You can just exist and that's enough to be wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:36 AM
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Oh yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:35 AM
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Superpower like "being born a woman"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:29 AM
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Most women would rather be alone unless their partner is quite literally the best possible partner? Ridicolous. There's almost nine billion people on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:49 PM
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No, but "the single best partner possible" is a high bar that very few relationships actually clear. The odds are like nine billion to one that you end up with the best partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:22 PM
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... only if you accept as a baseline principle that the only relationships having are the ones that never end.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:20 PM
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Sure but that's an entirely different point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:55 PM
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What? She didn't want to get together, then after we did she didn't want to break up. Directly contradicts OPs point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:47 PM
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My ex rejected me for four years and then afterwards described me as the best boyfriend she ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:32 PM
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Read your comments and post back tomorrow when you've calmed down. If you can't see it yourself, well as they say, if you can't spot the crazy person on the buss...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:42 AM
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Bad childhood maybe? Addiction to meth-amphetamines? Perhaps some people are just born bad? I could only speculate
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:31 AM
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It doesn't. Definitionally you are entirely correct. As a person you're awful. But grammatically you might be alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:23 AM
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Enough for a woman and enough for a man are so completely different though. It's easy for you to talk about doing "enough" when you were born into the gender that is life on easy mode. Congratulations. You can sit down on the couch, eat potato chips until you weigh 400kg and live in the dole. You'll still get men. We aren't as privileged as you. Sometimes our conversations will reflect that fact. Sorry if life being unfair to me is annoying to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:11 AM
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Yes because this is a study seeking to remedy that.... that's why they had the study........ because there wasn't data before........ and now there is....... because of this study....... Jesus
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:00 AM
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Yes. They're your choices and they clearly demonstrate that you suck. You're not entitled to anything and you're whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:59 AM
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I couldn't have expressed myself clearer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:51 AM
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You get to do things. You then get to observe the outcome. You then get to change your actions based on the feedback you observed. As I'm not a woman, I don't have access to feedback as to how to improve as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:51 AM
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There was significant skew in male reproductive success compared to what would be expected if mating was random (P < 0.001 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17971086/ Easy. Give me another
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:48 AM
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You're not being hateful The other post was. That's what mattered to me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:46 AM
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No, I don't have access to direct feedback the way you do, no empiricism no learning
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:45 AM
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Why is it the case that in every single mammal, a large part of the male population is sexless? Are porcupines lacking in feminist education? Women get to have sex, romance and dating in their lives no matter who they are. For men, and only for men, a significant part is always left out You will never have to deal with that problem on account of your birth gender. And, as a person incapable of empathy, you'll never care about an issue you won't have to face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:36 AM
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Men are not more boring and uninquisitive than women. You chose bad men. Your opinion of 50% of the populations is a reflection of your character, not theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:33 AM
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A class is a collective of self-interests. Imagine a law that says "all Asian people must pay 10% extra tax". That's good for other people but very bad for Asians. So they have coherent and congruent interests. Of course there is no such laws with Asians. But should there be quotas for women in education, for instance? Good for women, bad for men. So you have a group of people with one interest, in this case women, and another with opposite interests, in this case men. Race and gender thus const…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:48 PM
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Races and sexes are parts of what makes up classes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:25 PM
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Bad morning then I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:37 PM
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I only ever had one conversation on Tinder, though it did go on for about two weeks. Would that give me a high score in this system?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:35 PM
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I also did all that and got no action. Do you think it's possible there were many other guys who made out with no one, but you never noticed because that's not what you looked for? People were incel before too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:33 PM
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"Taught by society" is feminist for "I did what I wanted but I don't want to take responsibility for it".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:31 PM
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God I hate this. When someone at work tells me "you need to go tidy up over there", well I fucking know that and I'm on my way over there with a garbage bag............... makes me just wanna not do it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:29 PM
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All history is the history of class conflict Feminism is just the name we use for one particular set of class interests and the ideology that emerges from that struggle. Entirely equal to every other ideology. Good for the in-group at the expense of everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:27 PM
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I only knew production numbers from my branch and I only knew the people who would tell me. I knew the top 3 though, all of us men. I don't think female employees were bad at all, though certain parts were awkward (lifting 100kg windows and the like), but performance was specified as something not to be included in the evaluation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:26 PM
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Are you saying that women claim incels don't get dates because of their misogyny? Women on this board, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:34 PM
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try to put themselves in another persons shoes and understand their feelings and maybe shift their perspective? This is empathy tho, not sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:01 PM
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your logic of "women can sense it or not" is fundamentally flawed, for we don't share one brain, yk. But you do understand that he's reffering to how this very argument in levied against himself by women here, and not making the argument himself, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:00 PM
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"cause" is a mistake, implying some monocausality, and "wrong" is a mistake as it's a moralist concept. My problems are mine, your problems are yours. If you don't get good men, you suck. If I don't get good women, I suck. Can we agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:50 PM
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You're not testing my point at all, you said: For instance objectively are nature and nurture the two primary factors that influence an individual’s worldview? an answer to which would have to prove the negative that there are no other factors more influential. Negatives can't be proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:22 PM
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For instance objectively are nature and nurture the two primary factors that influence an individual’s worldview? Unknowable. What we can see, is that political affiliation is heavily corelated with factors that are outside of individual agency. Were that not the case the distribution would be stochastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:05 PM
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You have a circumstance of uncertain origin. You can speculate on the origin but epistimologically you're stuck at that point. If there's a room, I'm not in the room and I can't see inside, I might speculate that there's a chair in there. Might be I'm right. But it's sort of a null point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:00 PM
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Well, if a man has bad relationship experiences, and he says all women are to blame somehow, then yeah that guy is a douche and also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:58 PM
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If the key factor, which was the word you used, would be individual agency then the distribution of political ideologies would, it would follow, be in the main stochastic
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:48 PM
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And then they turn around and tell you young men are just chosing not to go to school because they think reading makes you gay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:13 PM
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That said, regardless of the spread of any ideology, be it Feminism or TRP the key factor has always been and will always be individual agency. If that is the case, how come political affiliation is so heavily corelated to demographic factors? Why would men and women be ideologically distinguishable groups, if individual agency was the deciding factor? Why would black and white people, or gay and straight people, or rich and poor people, or employed and businessowning people, all have such clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:08 PM
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Look like brother and sister lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:57 AM
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Personally I want women's conversations to move away from "men are bad" and over to "man I suck at picking men". I can't speak for all of us, but that would be enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:12 AM
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I've been groped at concerts. Happens weirdly often, with older women. Never a woman my own age. Anyway now that I've experienced sexual harassment, can I say that I know what walking through the world as a woman is like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:11 AM
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The problem with this line of thinking is, even if you do notice a real world difference between men and women, you have no way to prove that it emerges directly as a result of biological influence on conciousness. Who's to say there's nothing else influencing that person? And so you're left having to try and prove a negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:10 AM
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So you also weren’t denied any opportunities or classes, the girls were given better grades because they studied harder and performed better. That is also not discrimination No, girls are given better grades FOR THE SAME PERFORMANCE. If a man gets a B, and a woman gets an A, you can expect that they performed the same. Girls wee offered more changes to study? Again this is based on performance, not gender. No, it's based on gender. You get extra points for being a woman. If I got 44 points, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:07 AM
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Roughly 15% in the parts that were cut (production and leadership in various local departments).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:04 AM
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A decent chunk, about 15% of the workforce (they were very proud of this in the years leading up to the financial crisis)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:03 AM
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The first one makes a lot of sense tbh. I never hear women talk hatefully about men when I'm around, but I see it on the internet. It's always difficult as a human to understand how were not experiencing reality, just a tiny sliver of it, and that reality can be so counterintuitive to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:37 AM
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Question, do you feel you were discriminated against because you were male or because the other person was better? Because I was male. Discrimination on the basis of performance doesn't bother me. How were you discriminated against at school? Were you not allowed opportunities or forbidden from certain classes? Girls receive far better grades than boys do for the same performance. It's well established and has been found to exist in every single OCED country. Then, following 13 years of discrimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:34 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:28 AM
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I will not say that on the internet for reasons you might be understanding of. It was a European construction company, multinational
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:04 AM
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I dont think feminism is a bad thing, I think it's like all other pop ideologies; a self-interest collective. Was I discriminated against in school for being male? Yes, Feminists saw to that as they pushed and pushed for their own interests. Was I discriminated against once school was over and I went into higher education? Yes, women saw to that. Am I paying for more in taxes than I will ever get back? Yes, Feminists are not uniquely responsible for that of course but women receive soooooo much …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:06 AM
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Your problem is you're refusing to engage with the reason men develop and sustain these ideas; men have lived experience of a sexual inequality that women do not. Our thoughts about life and sexuality must necessarily include an explanation of the circumstances we find ourselves in. You don't. You get to ignore that part of reality because it's a part of human life that is near exclusively male. And so your ideas can ignore a reality you never have to deal with. It's the equivalent of trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:11 AM
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Yes, and different sides are taking away freedoms and giving rights to different groups who in turn support their corresponding side. It's called class conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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Well that is clearly wrong. It is well proven that the amount of men who have no sex is far higher than the amount of women who have no sex. The image you found on the internet isn't telling you the truth and you should use google to find more accurate information.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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In the 90s when I was coming of age, it seemed like women were the ones anxious that they weren't guaranteed a family. But that was never the case? In the entire history of humankind, it has never been the case that women are less likely to get married than men. If someone you knew had a completely unfounded fear that is contrary to all statistical evidence, that doesn't equate to the current situation at all.... It became a cliche to tell lonely women to work on being happy on their own, and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:36 PM
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Helping me isn't the point, helping the generation of young men who are growing up now is far more important and effective. And you do that by removing all the discrimination they face and the enormous disadvantages they have to deal with simply for being boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:33 PM
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No one is threatening war. And if sex romance and relationships are so bad for women, why are they damn near universially engaged in? In women having to deal with bad men is so much worse than men having to deal with being incel, why aren't women quitting men in droves? Why are there so many more male sexless than female sexless humans if all women can get is bad sex, mediocre relationships and lackluster romance?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:32 PM
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Men are paying for women to become social workers, that's men financing women's lifestyles. I'm a plumber in private practice who deal with poo for a living and I get to pay 40% of my income to the state so that they can pay women to sit in soft offices with six hour workdays and have state sponsored cantines.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:30 PM
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No, that's not how progressivism works. It is, progressivism is to the benefit of most women, which is why it's so popular with women. Dudes here are constantly complaining that nobody feels sympathy for mens loneliness. Someone else, in a different conversation, said something that OP never said and so now OP has to answer for it. Like you know you're a bad faith actor when you make these ridiculous fallacies. Society never entitled you to a wife and children. The fact that you think it did is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:22 PM
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Forecasts are wrong because the math is imprecise or values are incorrect, not because chaotic systems are unpredictable. This is not an opinion. Try to read some physics or math before you make such statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:19 PM
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The ones like you are the ones who want to ignore us until we hang ourselves, then when we're gone there's no problem right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:17 PM
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Society is not filled with women who don't have access to sex, relationships and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:17 PM
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Why do you think women don't have the same problems than men do? Fat women are more sexually active than thin women; why are things so different? Are we not allowed to wonder why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:16 PM
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We could stop using mens money to finance women's lifestyle through the state, so that women would have to give something to men if they wanted something from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:14 PM
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And the fact that your class interest is represented får better by the left than the right.....
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:12 PM
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Men receive far worse grades than women for the same quality work in EVERY SINGLE OCED country. If I get a 4, and a girl gets a 5, then statistically we have performed at the same level. Young boys are massively discriminated against for the 13 years of primary school, and receive one whole letter grade worse compared to quality than girls. Just Google it. It's well known. The idea that men "chose not to get education" is categorically wrong. Men get lower grades for the same work, less attentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:11 PM
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And are taxes your friend? Are you one of the people who gets more in return than you pay in, or do you pay in more than you take out?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:07 PM
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And yet these women overwhelmingly become progressive to improve society For themselves................... But apparently men get radicalized from not having a girlfrien drives them to burn it all down, and the manosphere says I should feel sympathy for them No one asked you to feel sympathy. I dont have a stake in society. Society taxes me heavily and gives me nothing in return. Had I å wife and children, society would be working for me; I don't, and so as a childless man, I work for society. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:05 PM
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Magic fairy dust that just happens does not work It does for women, that's why they keep making posts like this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:59 PM
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Dude what are you on about, chaotic systems are predicted all the fucking time. Like the weather?????
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:57 PM
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Noooo you are being too mathematical noooo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:56 PM
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Stop analysing human interactions like mathematical equations Can you give an example of doing that? You need presence and emotional understanding Does Andrew Tate have presence and emotional understanding? I mean the dude gets women so if those two qualities are necessary then syllogistically he must. The men here are so shitty at understanding this that they genuinely think that 'emotional intelligence' is a made up term All terms are made up It's like they never had a human to human, soul to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:54 PM
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You guys will do literally anything but think
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:00 PM
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A man goes into the store looking for chocolate. The store clerk tells them they're all out. A woman walks into another store, looking for chocolate. She browses through a selection of 25 different chocolates, decides she wants none of them and leaves. It's pathetic how desperate you are to deny your own privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:29 PM
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Women do get to be discerning, what are you on about. We get to care about the choices you make.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:13 PM
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When I was looking, no woman was too unattractive. And if you, or other women, decide that my energy is wrong and they don't want anything to do with me, that's completely fine. But I will judge them, of course I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:52 PM
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Right, but when these people are the ones deciding I'm not worth it, and they'd rather for those guys, then I'll reserve the right to judge them for it. I'm not that exciting, women aren't into me, okay. If they're into serial rapists instead, okay. Their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:36 PM
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My opinion emerges from the statistical measurement we make of reality. Your does not. I'm done with this convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:18 PM
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So I know I should feel bad for the girl who got raped but I can't keep getting over how stupid it is to be violent towards someone with their teeth around your penis? Like does he have no instincts protecting him at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:13 PM
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A lot of people shit on women for unforgiving but theres a lot of women are too forgiving. Maybe I'm misunderstanding or not seeing the right things, but, we give women shit for being forgiving to guys like this, while unforgiving for things like being sexually inexperienced. Not for being unforgiving in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:11 PM
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Yes they are, statistics show that physically unattractive women are having just as much sex as attractive women, and with a larger amount of men. You're disagreeing with reality at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:04 PM
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they're having those relationships with average and below average men, not chad. Exactly my point. I'm sorry my mistake, you're a gay man - you relate to the experiences of gay men, who are men with male sexuality engaging with other men with male sexuality. It's a different scenario also.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:37 PM
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And the truth is that men "with no options" have options. They're just filtering those ppl out, maybe subconsciously. And this here is why women will never understand male problems. What you are saying here is categorically untrue. For women, there are always options. There's always someone. But that doesn't work both ways - it can't. When there are still options for the least attractive woman, then those men do not have anywhere to go. There are, many many people, exclusively men, who really do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:34 PM
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I mean the alternative for many is suicide but I guess that does make it optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:29 PM
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No, you just relate to the world through emotional resonance rather than understanding. In every culture, and in every mammal, there are large numbers of men, not women, but men who don't have sex. It's not a cultural issue, nor an issue of reciprocity. It's a simple issue of economics. One day you will be less angry and you will start thinking rather than emoting. Send me a PM then I will explain this very simple mathematical reality to you. Until then, do feel better. Life is better when one h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:29 PM
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I mean lots of dudes kill themselves over not having a relationship but I guess they dont count
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:26 PM
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struggling males could date single moms, fat women, older women, no one has absolutely zero options. No thats your fantasy, it's not like that for men. You're a woman, you relate to being unattractive by looking at unattractive womens life, because that's visible for you. Single mobs, fat women, older women, all have plenty of options and plenty of sex and relationships. We can't "just go get them", the least attractive women are, simply for being women, more attractive than the bottom half or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:25 PM
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Skin on skin contact and sex are both major helpers to getting people to be happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:22 PM
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Ah yes the empathy of the powerful
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:21 PM
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If me and that guy go into a room where we meet 100 women, maybe he gets 30 womens phone number and I get zero. If I see him getting rejected by a woman, I know I am going to get rejected by that woman as well. No one ever claimed that a guy who looks like him will attract every single woman. You've made up an argument no one ever made so you have something you can attack easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:52 PM
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Number of Partners: For women, the number of sexual partners decreases as physical attractiveness increases, whereas for men, the number of sexual partners increases with increasing physical attractiveness. Well so your statement is categorically incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:50 PM
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Can you get a person you want, who would have sex with you but not consent to particular sex acts you're reffering to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:44 PM
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Involuntary celibate. Just because you can't use words, doesn't mean you have to drag the rest of us down with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:43 PM
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Being a slutty woman is easy. Anyone can do it. Being a slutty man is hard. Few men can do it. There you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:42 PM
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You've misunderstood what "women are not into men" means. It doesn't relate to women not having sex with enough men; it relates to the perceived to small variation of female sexual selection. So when I see the rich guy get girl number 100, I think "Women are not into men - they are into status and money". I don't think "This woman wont sleep with me, thus women aren't into men". Hope that clears it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:41 PM
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No, when you increase the total amount of something that is highly unevenly distributed throughout a population, it will barely affect most people. If women doubled their bodycounts, the guy with a 100 partners would go up to 200, while the guy with 1 would get up to 2. If women restricted their bodycounts by half, the guy with 100 would only now get 50, the guy with 1 would have a 50% chance of losing nothing. Women having sex with more men, or fewer men, is only really relevant to the men they…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:38 PM
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Why would we need to? Nothing in here contradicts the black pill..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:29 PM
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There's endless stories of women being raped on camera, women being invited for a modelling gig, having their money taken away from them and forced to do porn etc. If the world of porn was nice and well-regulated, maybe you'd have an argument. But the current porn industry? Human misery played for consumption. I would not accept such workers conditions in my own industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:27 PM
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So the sub 20th percentile women aren't having sex or relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:23 PM
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Why do you think we don't, that point you're making is so weird. Yeh I can't get laid on apps. That doesn't mean I can get laid in social situations either. In fact the guys I know who do well on the apps are 100% the same men who do well in bars and at festivals and school meet ups and everywhere else. There's no place to go
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:11 AM
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Ye cause they only knew him from basic interactions. Those neighbours weren't dating him you know. If they did, according to Wikipedia, they would know he would kill and torture animals and display plenty of other red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:13 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:10 AM
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Because the work is to hard and I'm not able. Bit you know what, if you're an actual, conservative, pull myself up by thr bootstrap sort of person, who opposes handouts and redistribution, then I take my hat off for you. That I can respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:09 AM
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No one said deserve. I'm not a moralist lol. All women rejected me. If they went on to find someone better, they made a good choice. If they went on to find someone worse, a bad one. Some women have skills and find good men. Some men have no skills and realise it, and stay away from men. Some women have skill issues and date violent men. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:06 AM
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Could have done things differently and gotten more desirable results? If so it's a skill issue. If it's a skill issue when I ask out 20 women and they all say no, it's also a skill issue when they decide to go for abusers. Can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:02 AM
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Thanks. Let me know if you ever figure out how words work!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:51 AM
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Google it dude. Why would my perception of unattractive women affect how statistically beaureus collect data?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:49 AM
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Not working out is a synonym for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:48 AM
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Yes. Statistically fat women have sex with more men and marry just as often. For men, fat guys have less sex and marry less often. Women don't have the same issues we do however. Must be nice to be privileged. Ah well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:47 AM
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Failure to achieve something you want is failure. Failure is not a prescriptive word, it's entirely descriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:43 AM
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No, unattractive women have sex at higher rates than attractive women and get married just as often. Google it. Being an unattractive woman does not carry a sexual or romantic penalty comparable to what equivalent shortcomings do for men. No where close.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:42 AM
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Wanting something, and then failing to get it, is failing actually. You seem to have a problem with how words work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:41 AM
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And that's a huge privilege that men are not afforded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:38 AM
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So you're saying that if a woman is fat, she has sex with fewer men? Or is less likely to marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:37 AM
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Guess what's the most common strategy for men on the apps bro
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:36 AM
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They didn't. They chose the person they chose. They had options. Also you're entirely wrong. In Norway, for instance, the Prince Marius has been abusive to women for over a decade. It's been well known - yet beautiful, beautiful women throw themselves at him even so. Andrew Tate gets tons of women - oh poor women, how could they tell he was a bad guy. A former schoolmate of mine, asshole bully drug addict, was arrested a year ago for, along with his wife, abusing and posting videos of abusing hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:20 AM
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... children do not chose who their parents are. I never said its not the man's fault. He's at fault for murdering, she's at fault for chosing him. If I join a gang and am shot by another gang member, it's his fault for shooting me, and my fault for electing to hang out with bad people
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:09 AM
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Did the kids chose their parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:06 AM
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Women are to lazy to work so the government takes male money and gives it to women, which leads to them getting ahead despite less effort and skill, and then women turn around and say men are just lazy lol Trump save us
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:04 AM
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I'm not actually, you're just obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:09 AM
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Like young boys being told to appologize for being men? Like killallmen being an incredibly popular thing to say for a while? Like saying that men need to hold one another accountable for mens sexual misbehaviour? Like calling men an evil gender? Like saying all men benefit from rape? Like saying all men contribute to rape culture? Like claiming I have a repsonsibility to protect random women from men? No idea what I'm talking about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:08 AM
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So only women who have never been with a man is never abused? Women have choice. Far more than men do at every equivalent level of attractiveness. Choice about us. Choice about who among us men gets to have sex. If they chose to spend that power chasing men who beat them, that's their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:02 AM
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I have suffered trauma and I'm hurting. What are these people doing for me exactly, other than talkng down about how horrible and disgusting incels are?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:01 AM
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Then leave. My mother and my stepmother both left abusive relationships with kids and then went on to marry my father.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:00 AM
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She can always walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:57 AM
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eah, well most men are there for just sex No most men are there for relationships. You just pick the ones you want for a relationship, they leave the app, the the remaining men who you want are the ones who don't want a relationship. Meanwhile 70% of the men just aren't getting any dates at all. So, I don't knkw if I believe you since what I have seen here and on apps and in real lofe is a good chunk of men are just out for sex and no human connection beyond that Yes and that has nothing to do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:56 AM
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Hmmmm yesallmen killallmen boysbeingmadetoappologizeforbeingboys
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:50 AM
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So what is the actual example you're requesting then? Because I have just given you four different examples of women declining me and going on to chose men who are morally repugnant. It doesn't even sound like you were a choice. I don't understand what you mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:34 AM
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Oh yeah you're right, completely. What I meant to say was that a lot of men are having less sex. Most was the completly wrong word, good correction thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:22 AM
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Do you think all the women Andrew Tate dated knew he was a raging retard who trafficked women? He is the most obvious psycopath I have ever seen. I wouldn't be in the same room with him and I'm an ugly man. I'd run for the fucking hills if I was a woman and he was around yes. Abusers do not advertise that they are abusers Yeah man, that Andrew Tate dude sure knows how to seem normal and like not entirely fucking psycho, sure yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:20 AM
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Can walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:19 AM
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I am assuming he did because no one has half their face blue because they hit themselves with the door, and it's the go to lie for having been punched by a man. But yes, I have plenty of examples: First girl I brought home, used to chill in my bed and watch TV. When I kissed her, she would say no and leave for a couple weeks, then call me up to "try again". In the meantime, she would often sleep with other men in the in-between period. She described to me in detail how one of these men raped her…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:17 AM
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How is this happening without changes among women though? Are more men having sex with each other? No, fewer men are having sex, while the men who have sex in relationships have the same amount of sexual partners as before - it's simply increased class differences. If there's a 100 women, and 100 men, and each of the women has two sexual parnters, that means 200 unique pairings. If they are distributed equally, every man would also have 2 sexual partners. If they are distributed maximally unequa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:06 AM
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I blame abusers for abusing, and the people who chose the abusers for chosing abusers :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:00 AM
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Do you have a personal example of a woman who choose between you and "that man"? Funny you should ask, less than a week ago I ran into a woman I kissed a few years back. She said no, bad timing, you know. Anyway a couple weeks later she started dating a guy who had better timing. So I'm walking home from the store and a car stops, it's her. She has a blue eye, and without thinking, the first thing I ask is "hey what happened?". Well turns out she hit herself with a door. I nodded along and prete…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:00 AM
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Oh yeah, I'm sure a guy that's literally Joseph Fritzl level of evil had zero red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:52 AM
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Those women chose those men over us. They had the choice and decided, those are the men to go for. For us, sex is locked behind women's choices, and when women decide that they would rather have abusers than us, and then turn around and hold us responsible, we get bitter about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:50 AM
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So when women chose to go with and fuck Andrew Tate, it's because of their parents actually, probably their father, and they're devoid of any accountability for their choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:48 AM
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???? yes... they are failing.... due to a lack of skill... why wouldn't I?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:47 AM
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Some men also get abused in relationships- are you blaming them for that? Yes Some women also fail in dating due to social skills- are you going to say that's the same issue as a woman that gets abused by her partner? I don't agree that women fail in achieving sex and relationships due to low social skills. They just end up dating less desirable men. They still get men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:44 AM
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Skill issue. Should have chosen better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:43 AM
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More specifically, although we found no change in median numbers of sex partners (past year and lifetime), we found significant increases in the numbers of sex partners reported by the top 5% and 20% [...] although no statistically significant changes were observed among women https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10926320/#S16 Studies on the topic disagrees with you. The top 5% men are having more partners than ever before, while conversely most men are having fewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:40 AM
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Depends how they're murdered. If they're murdered by someone they elected to be in contact with, skill issue. If they're murdered by a terrorist orgainsation, not skill issue. Notice the word "chose" in the post
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:29 AM
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Men fail in dating - men suck Women fail in dating - it's cause they're just too good
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:28 AM
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We're not blaming you for their behaviour. We're blaming you for yours :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:24 AM
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Im 36. Just entirely different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:19 AM
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I believe rates are rising and have been for some time In England and Wales, the Office for National Statistics indicates that while prevalence decreased between 2005 and 2014, the last decade has seen a significant increase in sexual assault rates. In addition, a lot of things that are rape but not necessarily called that by everyone (choking without asking, anal without asking, spitting without asking etc.) are also said to be increasing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:11 AM
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Yeah, that has been well proven. I think you may have misunderstood me? What I am saying is that as the proportion of men having sex grows smaller, the proportion of sexual assault in sexual encounters grows larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:34 PM
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We've completely different experiences then. In fact, thinking about the three most sexually active men I know, none of them have female friends as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:33 PM
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Oh I stopped trying long ago but thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:11 PM
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What the apps actually offer is the experience of getting a hundred men that swipe to match without reading the bio, and want dinner with sex. But you have the understand, when you say that, that the vast majority of men do not get matches; the guys who do get matches and want relationships get off the apps very quickly, leaving two groups: men who want relationships but keep getting ignored by the women, and men who don't want relationships but keep getting picked by women. So when you're compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:55 PM
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A very very small portion of men* Signed, spent two years on tinder, talked to one woman, didn't want to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:52 PM
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Once.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:43 PM
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I have a 0% success-rate at bars, a 0% success-rate at festivals, a 0% success-rate at house-parties, and a >1% succes-rate at dating through friends. So I have a 0% succes-rate at the apps. How can I know whether my chances are better online or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:43 PM
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Yes, because there's a discrepancy between male and female desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:40 PM
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Getting a date means you've already gotten very far though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:40 PM
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Nah that is ridiculous. I've had more female friends than any man I know. It helps zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:38 PM
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Meanwhile for women: exist, men will have to practice all their lives to impress you, you get to decide God I'm glad I stopped doing that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:37 PM
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It's not surprising at all, I agree with that - but that wasn't the part of your comment I took issue with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:30 PM
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Their comment invited the same answer: skill issue. Women who end up with bad men do so by being unskilled. Get good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:12 PM
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And it’s not women I mean it's a discrepancy is desire between men and women, you can't blame one party.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:05 PM
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And it won't matter to women because the men who drop out will be the ones who weren't getting any when they were competing anyway. The development we have seen the last 20 years will continue until it plateus: fewer and fewer men have sex, while men who sleep around have sex with larger and larger amounts of women. Men get depressed and suicidal, women get raped more often. On and on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:03 PM
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I went to a veterans meeting and every soldier there was alive lol, why do ppl repeat this "soldiers die in wars myth"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:53 PM
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Sure. So skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:43 PM
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I know I said nothing, that was the whole point of my comment..............................
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:03 PM
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If they had more skills at spotting the bad men, then they would avoid them. So skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:02 PM
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Women attempt to kill themselves more than men kill themselves does this mean male and female suicide are the same No they don't lol they just pretend to. If women attempted suicide more than men, they would commit suicide more than men. Instead a small group of women make 27 failed "suicide attempts" and they get counted as real attempts so you can pretend suicide is a female problem too actually It's the equivalent as to when MRA people posit that men gets raped more than women and rape isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:56 PM
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So what you're saying is dismantling all those DEI programs didn't matter after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:45 PM
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I'm sorry I really didn't understand this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:01 PM
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There's no point in practicing being good in a relationship, if you can't get into one. Men, unlike women, have difficulties getting into relationships and difficulties getting sex. So we need to learn those abilities. Then once we're in, we need to change to accommodate that person in our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:17 PM
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Democracy for young American men: Democrats: yeh were gonna fuck you in the ass Republicans: that's discrimination, we're gonna fuck everyone in the ass. I'm getting fucked in the ass either way, at least with this administraton we're going down together
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:15 PM
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I'm sorry are you under the impression that I am currently in army greens in the jungle?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:04 PM
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This confusion comes from not understanding that society exists ina permanent state of class conflict. There's not enough of everything for everyone. So resources need to be distributed. Groups of people with common interest come together and create moralistic rationales why their group ought to have resources distributed to them. Why would a feminist, or an antifeminst for that matter, want actual fairness? Actual fairness doesn't help them. They want resources allocated to alleviating their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:04 PM
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Skill issue
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:53 PM
2

I'm a young man too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:51 PM
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No it's a skill issue 100%. But so is avoiding bad men. Framing one as a skill issue and not the other, that is the inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:50 PM
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Imagine a man. He doesn't want to have sex with women. He does so anyway. Now all men are asexual. Checkmate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:48 PM
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Can you confirm that at all? It seems enormously high
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:07 PM
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No I'm sorry I meant "hasn't had sex for 15 years" my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:00 PM
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Hmm. I never actually got far enough with a woman to get to the point where I told her it's been so long so I have no idea how it's common to react
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:59 PM
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> Results show psychopathy was related to sociosexuality, specific factors of social intelligence, and generating higher desirability ratings from women after controlling for men’s physical attractiveness. Women rank psycopathic men as more desirable in tests to. That is what they are saying. The proof of their goodness is the fact that women don’t want them. They assume they are good because they aren’t chosen and he is bad because he is chosen Dude no one will ever say this. Plenty of morally …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:12 PM
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Let's say all men get together and make the sexual world better, safer and more dignified for women to participate in, entirely without shame. As a consequence, women decide to have sex with twice as many men. The man who had sex with 100 instead gets to have sex with 200, great for him. The man who had sex with 10 women, now instead has sex with 20 women. Good for him. The men who had sex with 1 woman, now has sex with 2. Okay, little better I suppose. The man who had sex with 0 women, now has …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:07 PM
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That can not be real, that is so high. Most men don't have that pulling power. I'd sat maybe 3-4 dates in a decade, if he's single that long, would be more male average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:00 PM
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How about a guy who had sex for 15 years? Total hypothetical question of course, about a friend, who is also hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:57 PM
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If you draw the experimemt on a piece of paper like I suggested, that will reveal itself to you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:55 PM
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What people are saying is morally bad men sleep around more than morally good men. That actually makes sense because sleeping around is more bad than not sleeping around. You're ignoring the context of women's choice. Go to any bar. There's 10 men there who wants to fuck for every woman. They have to compete to get picked, and the woman picks. What people are saying, is that morally bad men, on average, are picked by women at higher rates than morally good men. We all understand the very easy ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:56 PM
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That's a charicature. What people are saying, is that morally bad men do better than morally good men. Which is evidenced for instance by the fact that being incarcerated is associated with an increased life-time amount of sexual partners. No one is saying no good man will get a woman. Just that, on average, bad men are more attractive. Argue against that point, not the charicature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:23 PM
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makes it sound like this is a sole function of women not liking good guys I mean there's your problem. People aren't saying that. You made a caricature of other people that is easy to attack- common fallacy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:40 AM
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Because there are two groups, genders, negotiating one activity, sex, which is more desirable for one, men. That gives women economic leverage. Which is why fat women ad so sexually active, despite being the least desirable. Sex is a limited quantity for men, we are reduced to compete over a resource of which there's a deficit, which tanks our negotiating power and leaves women as the chosers. Draw a group of five men and five women. Establish that men want 3 sexual partners and women 1. Establi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:36 AM
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Whenever a man calls women desperate it's cope. One woman can be desperate sure, women as a whole? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:31 AM
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I haven't the slightest idea. Never been a woman myself. I just get angry when I am blamed for situations in which I am literally the least powerful party.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:09 PM
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If an ugly person attracts a lot of people then that person is attractive yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:21 PM
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being single doesn't mean never having their emotional needs met Right because women don't rely on men for emotional support rejecting women who reject them while maintaining dignity. Can you elaborate on what this means? not waiting for someone else to fix their mental and emotional health Women do this all the time? doing what it takes to better themselves, esp when it's hard and uncomfortable... Why do you think women do this more than men? taking pride in being good ppl and living well, rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:19 PM
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Yes absolutely. If it was harder for women, women would be celibate at higher rates than men. Instead we see the opposite. Because it's significantly more difficult for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:49 AM
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Admittedly I'm not experienced with relationships and might feel different if I was, but I really wouldn't care at all if a woman kept a go-bag or a second account for emergencies or anything like that. I would 100% want a paternity test tho. Being a father is bigger than being a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:45 AM
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It's way easier for you than for most of the guys in here. Any failures are your own
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:43 AM
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Not marrying me for my money. Not a huge problem since I don't have any. But dad was quite wealthy until two women divorced him. So it scares me. Then again there's not much left to inherit so I won't ever have to face my fears
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:39 AM
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Bars = more money spent, same results
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:37 AM
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You don't have a right to sex, if you're not good enough to vet properly, just be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:36 AM
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If you work really hard, you can maybe get a woman in your 30s. If you have money. These people consider themselves morally superior btw
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:34 AM
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Attractive means ability to attract....
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:31 AM
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Yes but this example isn't about her; it's about a hypothetical new person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:28 AM
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Lol this is so stupid. Violent offenders get girlfriends all the time. Brad Pitts girlfriend is trying to get pregnant. Fuck this moralising shit. Men get girlfriends by being hotm
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:42 AM
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It's simply a better framework to understand the behaviour of large amounts of people than any one individuals intuition
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:38 AM
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I dont know, the paper doesn't say, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:18 AM
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No she was a 10 to me and a 4 to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:17 AM
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Pretty much everyone in or around normal weight, for either gender
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:09 AM
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Rich people can be sad and poor people can be happy. Would you rather be rich or poor?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:07 AM
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A every time. I was once madly in love with a girl who I can tell now wasn't even average looking. Infatuation can really make someone crazy beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:03 AM
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A every day
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:01 AM
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I disagree with this. The problem I'm having isn't that I'm not chosen, that's for women to decide and not for me to care about at all. For me the problem comes when women hold men accountable for their choices. Plenty of guys I know are better than me and have girlfriends, that's done and over and congratulations. But when women date some of... those guys...a and the inevitable happen.. then I maintain that was the woman's fault
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:00 AM
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Well it's a good thing that association is well established then ;Incarceration was associated with an increased rate of lifetime sexual partnership https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3788090/ Or just Google "are criminal men more sexually active". The answer is demonstrably and clearly yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:57 AM
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Because for women singlehood is a choice while for men it's far more likely to be a result of inability...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:24 PM
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It is accurate, you just don't want us so you pretend we don't exist. I have a friend who's slept with over 100 women. He's the biggest asshole I know. I myself have slept with one woman. Women chose to be treated the way he treats women, over 100 of them, and then turn around and complain about men It's not men. It's your choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:22 PM
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MRA and MgtoW both predate tiktok by a decade, feminism by almost two centuries. Tiktok just happens to be a convenient forum to spread idea at the moment. Gender war came before and will persist after tiktok.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:10 PM
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How did they become promiscuous then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:03 PM
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Meanwhile, for a woman; exist - that's enough, you're doing enough
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:31 PM
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If "Here's an enormous amount of men, you can have pretty much any one of them" leads to trash results then you're the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:25 PM
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Why wouldn't a parent care about their childs wellbeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:24 PM
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bulk seems to be guys who struggle to date Because that's the bulk of men generally
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:20 PM
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Women chosing violent men isn't an issue men need to solve Women chosing lower paying professions isn't an issue men need to solve Women uting healthcare services far more isn't an issue for men to solve Women being worse at chess isn't an issue men need to solve Women living far longer and so needing pensions isn't an issue for men to solve
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:50 PM
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Progressive have ruined my industri, construction, by having 100s of 1000s of immigrants come in, making process go way down on labour, which means it's cheaper for the middle classes to procure services, while shoving a large pick axe up the ass of every working class man here. In the 30s, the left was made up of workers and so they cared about workers. Today the left is made up of middle class, immigrabts and women, who care about the middle class, immigrants and women. The right makes my life…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:22 PM
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Most men would jump at the chance for free sex in where they are not obligated to have any sort of emotional attachment beyond sex Also I'm not sure about this. Most guys who do well with women, in my experience, do not sleep around even though they could. Sleeping around is done by a very small group of men who bed several times the average. I myself have never wanted no strings attached sex, and I don't think most my friends ever sought it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:13 PM
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If that's what she's saying then fair, but I really don't think that's what she's trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:12 PM
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Because, like I said, most guys I know don't have any of those opinions on women, or at least never expressed anything like it. I know a small handful of dudes with these opinions, and they are sexually hyperactive. Let's imagine 10 men and 10 women. One of the men has sex with every 10 women. Then women get together and discuss who men are, based on their sexual experiences with men. Their conclusions will in no way reflect who men are; rather they will reflect who women choose. So yeah, some g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:10 PM
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Then why is rape increasing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:01 PM
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I dont think I've seen that sentiment expressed here, but ok. I never said that second sentence. I am perfectly willing to talk but not with someone who opens up in bad faith. Let's try again and this time you try and relate to what I said instead of making something up and being angry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:45 PM
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Which is entirely fair - can you see how that exactly saw cuts two ways though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:38 PM
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I know like three guys that have those views on women. The fact that they're all sexually hyperactive communicates to me, a man looking in from the outside, that this situation is entirely of your own making. Am I right? Who knows, I only see what I see and don't know what I don't see. But looking at life from my own perspective, one that I share with a great many men, there's no way around the conclusion that women are often the architects of their own downfall.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:37 PM
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Women's choices
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:55 PM
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Whyvdo you think 80-90% of men end up having children?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:53 PM
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It's for the same reason that fat women are more sexually active than non-fat women. They have a freedom we lack, simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:56 PM
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Experience. I'm less experienced at 36 than most women were by 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:32 AM
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No, it's sex with consent, just not enthustiastic enough for your liking. With your definition everyone's been raped. You want to put the woman who bothers her husband to have sex when he's not really in the mood in the same jailcell as the man who hides in the bushes and jumps a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:17 PM
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If that's your definition of rape that's fine but that means rape isnt serious
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:45 PM
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Again, who are they? You've just made something up in your own head and concluded "that's what people who disagree with me think". Besides, you've completely changed what you're talking about. You said, and I disagreed with, that redpillers claims entitlement. Who are saying exactly that women should be arrested for not dating them? That dating is something one is entitled to? What is being said, is that men with poor outcomes in dating, kill themselves and experience depression and low-life sat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:28 PM
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In the U.S., a comprehensive study of all individuals who died by suicide between 2003 and 2020 found that among men, one in five suicides occurred in the context of intimate partner problems including breakups, separation, and divorce. Similar numbers have been documented in Australia and the United Kingdom. 1 in 5 male suicides are right after a romantic breakup. Incels also have very high levels of suicide that is not included in this 20%. And why do you believe that therapy, which is primari…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:25 PM
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No, Red pill claims romance is competitive and that men should fight to increase their own value
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:48 PM
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I was not consulted, nor any of the people who disagree with you clearly. Actually romantic issues is the number one issue men kill ourselves
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:46 PM
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Promoting equality and entitlement arent the same thing....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:28 PM
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Human rights are whatever we say human rights are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:26 PM
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Red pillers don't say that...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:17 PM
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Who decides what's important? Many men have water food and shelter and then go kill themselves over dating woes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:17 PM
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You're the one who brought up human rights when you said "dating is not a human right"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:40 PM
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Human rights include whatever we say it includes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:22 PM
3

Did you reply to the wrong person? I dont see the connection here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:16 PM
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Atoms are individual, you don't understand a cubic metre of air by accounting for their individual behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:23 PM
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https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/forskjellig-krav-til-kvinner-og-menn-i-forsvaret-og-politiet-_-ikke-i-brannvesenet-1.15223789
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:39 PM
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Yes, but healthcare related to childbirth isn't adjusted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:21 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:17 AM
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I don't understand, do you think I disagree with any of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:05 AM
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Yeah I agree with that. But let's create a microcosm of society; imagine a nightclub wherein there's a 100 different men and a 100 different women. Let's imagine every night 20 women desire sex, and 80 men desire sex. Inevitably many men will be left without sex - not just on any given evening, but consistently over time. Sex is much easier to enjoy, far safer and have far less downsides for men. I don't disagree that women have good reason to act like women do; if reasons changed, so would beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:28 AM
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You're right, I was wrong. Police and military then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:54 PM
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If you're comparing two different things, there are going to be differences. It's not a real point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:16 PM
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Dont know why, it works for me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:42 PM
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I don't want to get wet This is a preference. Preferences are not logical. Any action must be founded on a preference, which is illogical. As Hume wrote, it's not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the world to the itching of my finger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:34 PM
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Do you notice the language you're using? You're describing women as points to be earned in a game. And that's why there's a double standard surrounding promiscuity. Because you (and the men with the same viewpoint) don't actually view women as human beings with their own desires and agency, you view them as objects. They're things to collect No, that's in your head. In the context of having sex with many women, the number is there to keep score. No they aren't. I don't understand where this view…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:33 PM
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"Should" doesn't apply here. You're on the wrong side of the is/ought line. But a man who has an easy time attracting women has already done the hard part. Which is to become sexually attractive as a man. That's where his laurels come from, the women he sleeps with is really just a way to keep score. Women are born sexually attractive. The least attractive women have just as much sex as the most attractive ones. That means the standards for success have to be something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:12 PM
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There is never a logically coherent reason to do anything. That's not what logic is. But alright good bye
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:57 PM
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Women are shamed for having many sex partners just the same way men are shamed for having few. Doing the difficult thing, which for women is having few male sex partners, is lauded, while doing the easy thing, which for men is to have few sex partners, is shamed. It's entirely consistant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:46 PM
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It's from one of the biggest newspapers in Norway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:35 PM
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Different circumstances are not similar. You don't even believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:34 PM
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I've had one sex partner and will never have anyone else. Your point is entirely moot. But as for what you're trying to ask - if sexually hyperactive men went to sexually unsuccesful men and started to hold us responsible for the consequences of their actions, they'd be met with the tinest violin in existance
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:34 PM
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https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/hver-kvinne-koster-15-6-millioner-ingen-grunn-til-at-det-skal-tolkes-stigmatiserende-for-kvinner/s/12-95-3424089287#:~:text=Alle%20som%20bor%20i%20Norge,regjeringen%20la%20frem%20f%C3%B8r%20helgen. In my country women costs the state 5 times as much as men do on average. But by all means, abolish child support from the state - I'm all for it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:31 PM
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Women decide what sex "should be" for women, men decide how to react to the power women wield over them If women want sex to be something they share with an increasingly small part of the male gender, they get to make it so. Which brings us back to my original comment - why would I fight for someone who doesn't give a shit about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:28 PM
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https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/hver-kvinne-koster-15-6-millioner-ingen-grunn-til-at-det-skal-tolkes-stigmatiserende-for-kvinner/s/12-95-3424089287#:~:text=Alle%20som%20bor%20i%20Norge,regjeringen%20la%20frem%20f%C3%B8r%20helgen. In my country women costs the state 5 times as much as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:25 PM
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I mean you're making no sense but whatever, I can just give another example. Women in the military has to face far easier physical tests than men in the military. Likewise with firefighters. Doing a push-up is easy for men, and hard for women, so men have to do far more of them to be impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:23 PM
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No, for women finding men to have sex with is very easy; for men, finding women to have sex with is hard. Those are not equal circumstances. Hence the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:17 PM
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Neither is education
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:11 PM
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Women are still relying on men to pay for them, they've just got the state doing it now so they dont have to offer men anything in return
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:07 PM
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Obviously, there's a clear double standard surrounding sexual promiscuity. That's not a double standard, double standards are when people in the same circumstance are being held to the same standards. When people in different circumstances are being held to different standards, that's just called standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:01 PM
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s logic of shaming people for something being "easier" for them through no fault of their own doesn't translate to any other circumstances. Of course it does. In poor countries, being overweight is a social status symbol. In wealthy countries, it's looked down upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:59 PM
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Men are already sleeping with 350lb women, in fact for women being unattractive has zero penalty on how many partners you have. But to remind you the question is asked in the context of men helping women with their problems. On their own, no one should do anything. My question was and remains - why am I obligated to fight for the benefits of a group of people that don't ever care to fight for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:51 PM
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How does having sex with less experienced men constitute fighting for you? Should sex be pleasant for women? Or is sex an unpleasant chore women should endure for men's benefit? Once ten women have endured sex with you, will you remain abstinent so that they can move on to "fight" in this way for men who have not yet had ten partners? Men have sex with women just as often as women have sex with men. We want it more. Which leads to men with a high ability to attract women to have a disproportiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:49 PM
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I'd take it, but it's not about my individual sexlife - it's about giving me a reason to care about womens problem when women don't give a damn about mine
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:42 PM
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Okay but as fewer and fewer men are sexually active, while the men who are having sex with many women are reporting higher and higher numbers, it's clear - if women wanted to adress male problems, this is top of the line
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:18 PM
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Well, women aren't working high paying jobs as much as men. That's on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:54 PM
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No it's just you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:53 PM
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I'm not dismissing whatever I don't like as bad faith. I'm dismissing you as bad faith. Because you and I both know you didn't read through the post, that's why you posted something that had nothing to do with anything. I'm done engaging with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:43 PM
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Have sex with men you don’t want to have sex with If you wanna fix mens problems, fix mens problems. Don’t spend money on yourself Tax money. Why do you need to be dishonest if you're not lying? Don’t apply for college even though that’s one of the only ways to make enough money to survive these days Twice as many women as men get to live then. Blame women for men assaulting women They chose those men. The women had more agency in that situation than every single man except the one they chose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:41 PM
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This is a post about how men ought to fight against the pay gap. I said "why would I fight". You didn't read the post, made a comment based solely on reading the title, and are now attempting a weird back-track. It's better not to participate rather than participating in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:38 PM
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Stop having sex with men who've had more than 10 partners and instead start having sex with men who've had few Stop spending so much tax money on themselves Stop taking up most spots at educational facilities Stop blaming the male gender for violence against women and start blaming female agency
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:35 PM
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Us men need to recognize the gender pay gap and do what we can to fight against it because it absolutely exists. Read the post next time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:29 PM
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Why am I obligated to fight for the benefits of a group of people that don't ever care to fight for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:25 PM
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People are having roughly the same amount of sexual partners as before, actually, it's the distribution that has changed. As in, succesful men are having more partners, most men are having fewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:37 PM
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There are more people who have food than there are people who starve, so what? There are also fewer men getting laid because of social change Whats your point exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:32 PM
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In the space of one comment youve changed your argument Be smarter
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:54 PM
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Statistically fewer and fewer men are getting laid, and when they do, they have less and less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:08 AM
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Because I know a lot of people...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:51 AM
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It's not about paying attention to, it's about what's visible to you. But to answer, to a certain extent yeah, but I can't really say because I don't know what I can't see
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:34 PM
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There's a lot of things that are invisible to men about the female experience, sure, but one thing we do get insight into is distribution; that is to say, we see which guys are getting laid and which aren't. That's what we form our opinions on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:58 PM
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lol what
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:52 PM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:21 AM
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Their problems are with criminals then, not with men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:25 PM
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The moon is literally made of cheese, why would you wanna grow anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:17 PM
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I think the solution is for men to decenter women I agree with that, but decentering women isn't only something to be done at an individual level, but at a political one as well. Women's life in western society are financed and maintained by men, many of whom see no benefit from it. Men work more, pay more taxes, receive fewer benefits and much less positive discrimination. Everything we own and everything we want is a result of human labour. Every time someone lives a life of non-labour they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:15 PM
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Because it's thebpeople having the problem deling with their own problems. Clearly women have no desire to fix mens problems, somehow men ought to have a desire to fix women's problems though. It doesn't add up. Women aren't responsible for mens problems and men are not responsible for women's problems. That's the only way that's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:53 AM
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What do you compete about?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:42 PM
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There are endless examples of men who are worse than nothing; violent abusers for instance - do women never have relationships with violent abusers then? Men compete for women because we want women more often than women want us, which creates an environment of scarcity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:16 PM
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Competition emerge from scarcity. A tennis match with two winners is not a competition; the competition is the very fact that there are more competitors than winners. You go to any bar, there are more men who want to have sex there than there are women who want to have sex. That's what men being in competition means. men aren't competing against other men for dates, they're competing against the peace she felt in solitude is not an argument, it's a poetic way of saying nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:14 PM
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She was wrong, she didn't understand what a competition is
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:34 PM
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Categorically, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. You just walking around in life is not actually a good source of information
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:36 PM
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This is not RP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:52 PM
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Right, but every struggle an autistic woman has can be removed simply by chosing to have mens problems instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:48 PM
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OP's claim is that being an autistic woman in dating is equally as difficult to being an autistic man in dating, which is the claim we're replying to
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:13 PM
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Imagine a park. A lot of men are not allowed access into the park. All women are however. In the park there's a great deal of sexual assault. Women tell men who can't get into the park how privileged they are, as they aren't subject to the dangers of the park.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:19 PM
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Right but your argument was that people have free will, which is consistent between the two different situations
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:18 AM
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But being a woman, you can simply chose to have mens problems instead.. You could simply abstain from dating forever. That would fix your current problems and put you in the position a lot of men are in. Instead you would have their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:15 AM
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But your argument was free will... you swap the argument when it's about something you don't like. Racist hiring practices are illegal, because when they were not, they existed
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:11 AM
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Traditionally, as in before ww2, women were generally the right wing gender. They became left-wing following the institution of welfarestates, which greatly benefit women, they became the gender of left-wing. My prediction for the future, as more and more men check out of society, is that the welfarestate will start to see women supporting men instead, and so women will return to being the rightwing gender
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:07 AM
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But your argument was free will...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:05 AM
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this one is weird. do we turn women away from college? or force men who don't want to go, to go? we can't control this Yes we can, what are you talking about? Just cap admissions at a different level than currently. this one.. fine but like it won't help struggling men or virgins, who are the guys we're discussing now. It would, men with no children would be more desirable to chose, men with children less. what if these women were married and brought their husbands later? or entered got citizens…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:45 AM
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Research indicates that men who are highly sexually active—specifically those with a high number of lifetime sexual partners, a preference for impersonal sex, and frequent one-night stands—are more likely to perpetrate sexual assault. However, this connection is not based on a simple, high sex drive, but rather on underlying behavioral and psychological factors, such as sexual entitlement, high impulsivity, and low empathy. https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-3-sex-offender-typologies#:~:text=T…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:41 AM
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No, that's something else
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:41 AM
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Women don't need higher education to have a job
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:37 AM
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There's plenty we could do. For instance: Cap education to 50/50. Women have a clear preference for men who have more education than themselves; at the same time, women attend higher education at twice the rate men do. Ensuring a 50/50 parity in university would strengthen mens position. Tie childcare-money from government to first-time parenthood. If you are having children with a partner who has no previous children, you get generous benefits, if you are having children with a partner with pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:14 AM
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Which is "be born as a woman"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 AM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive. So clearly men are disadvantaged. Should disadvantaged people just shut up when their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 AM
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Which is a problem that only affects men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:46 AM
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Carrots are vegetables though?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:41 AM
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Assuming I know what you’re talking about, being picked to be abused and sexually exploited is not a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:37 AM
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Actually, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So we have men - for whom there's a huge penalty for being unattractive, and then we have women, for whom there is no penalty for being unattractive. So clearly men are disadvantaged. Should disadvantaged people just shut up when their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:25 AM
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For women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. So men are clearly disadvantaged no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:20 AM
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Right, but only men. It doesn't happen to women. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:19 AM
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Guilty of what? Are they incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:17 AM
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Okay but when this is a problem that happens to a lot of men, it's a social problem in demand of explaination no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:13 AM
5

Why doesn't it happen to women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:11 AM
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Then why is the problem unique to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:09 AM
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No, I'm not reducing anything - loneliness is a multifaceted issue, with certain parts of it - lack of sexual intercourse and lack of marriage/long-term romantic partnership - being categorically male issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:29 PM
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The ways men and women are lonely diverge, and so it's useful to have different words to describe them... Spesifically the male part of male loneliness is that loneliness is far higher for less attractive men. While we know that for women, being less attractive does not negatively impact the number of sexual partners you have, does not lessen the chance that you will be married, this penalties are very heavy for men. Having more words and more spesfic terminology makes us better able to distingu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:53 PM
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And it did...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:45 PM
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Yeah I never approach and it's got nothing to do with feeling like I'm being creepy. It's easy enough to meet a woman, I have female friends, don't find women particularily different to talk to or anything. But the power imbalance in dating, holy shit. Just time after time again of trying, hoping this one will be the one that says yes, having no ability to chose, being entirely beholden to a woman's whim, knowing that I can't ask questions about experience which - as someone unexperienced - are …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:36 PM
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And would be still if we had continued
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:19 PM
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They're not, but I am increasingly becoming aware you're not worth talking to
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:36 AM
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Haha context. It's believe women. I don't think perpetrators of a crime should benefit actually. Just have a look at the statement you made. I think it's perfectly okay for their victims to have more power. Ok you're not a serious person nvm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:50 AM
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It's not "believe all victims of sexual assault", it's "believe all women". Also men are far more likely to be perpetrators of sexual assault than victim; perpetrators do not benefit. Third, "believe all women" gives women more power over men, which benefits women and is to the detriment of men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:58 PM
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All the bio-essentialism way overcomplicats things. Remember Occum's razor. Women go "believe all women" because it's good for them. Men go the opposite way as it's bad for us. Then it all gets entangled up into broader narratives where coalitions give up on whatever's easiest to drop
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:14 PM
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You should have the same attitude as with any other form of material deprivation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:07 PM
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Thank you. You refer to "they" in your previous comment, I'm unsure whether you're referring to men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:49 PM
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Nope. For women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. Your opinion is factually incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:48 PM
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What is a roster?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:41 PM
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People will align with their own interests. When interests are opposed, people will be opposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:24 PM
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Who cares? You said Because there's nothing to support the claim "the rich get richer" in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:56 AM
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No, they're not Unattractive women get married more often, they have more sexual partners, and they marry higher income men than more attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:38 AM
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Frankly I think being conscious of a distinction between "trout" and "salmon" is really weird. It's just "fish"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:32 AM
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Actually, evidence tells us that the top 10% most sexually active men are having more sexual partners now than ever before, while the average level of sexual partners in general is declining. Meanwhile, for women, being less attractive gives you a higher chance of being married, you will on average have more sexual partners, and while for men being unemployed or part time significantly decreases the amount of sex you have, for women it's the opposite. All the evidence is there, you just don't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:20 AM
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I agree with you - but you do see by the very same reasoning why most men have zero interest in improving womens lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:17 AM
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Those men are getting laid though
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:15 AM
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Individually no, collectively absolutely it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:34 AM
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Yeah? Let's look at it this way. A bar has 100 men and 100 women in it every night. Let's say on average each night 5 women want to get laid. How many of the 100 men would get laid if you ran this experiment let's say 100 times?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:36 PM
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it's just guys that are out every weekend and look at least decent Why have you changed your mind from the last comment where you said They're highly social, very extroverted, are always out at a function, and know how to be fun around women. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:32 PM
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They're highly social, very extroverted, are always out at a function, and know how to be fun around women. This is attractive.....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:26 PM
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No, read my comment again and try to reply in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:22 PM
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It means a few guys get laid A LOT and then there's a lot of guys who don't get laid at all Men and women have the same amount of sexual partners. If the average is 10, and one guys sleeps with 100 women, other men need to make up a defecit of 90 Women want sex less so they get to be the chosers - there could be twice as much sex, if women wanted it. As seen in gay men. So that's hypergamy in women - women decide that some men are a sexual elite and go for them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:11 PM
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All ideologies do this. The ideological conviction that "I'm right" is intuitive, people know what the right answer is. Then they need to rationalize them. Ideologies are not arrived at through as series of argument that lead to a conclusion - rather the conclusion emerges from social consensus, becomes learned and intuitive, and then arguments are made up to support it. This leads to all sort of conflicts in ideological arguments that are in no way unique or particular to feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:16 PM
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Why? it’s just one of many examples I gave. Did you stop reading after the first sentence? Non-monogamy is how men have frequently used their power, and still often do today. Epstein is pretty modern— lots of those disgusting, evil old ~men~ child rapists are still alive. Right, but Epstein and his ilk are also a weird diversion from the subject at hand. Sounds a whole lot like a man who doesn’t like monogamy and wants to fuck around, same as the women he fucked. And I bet most of those women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:10 PM
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Absolutely we do. Way fewer people are claiming otherwise, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:38 PM
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And the numbers speak for themselves. Hence my original statement - women make their own problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:33 PM
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Well no but I'm unambitious so what a woman gonna do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:26 PM
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The guy who went on a rant about how if you're gonna rape a woman, you should do it anally and the guy who said, and I quote, "if she's gone into a room with you, she's made a decision".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:54 AM
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The distribution
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:39 AM
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I know which of my friends had succes on the apps. Women cause their own problems
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:37 AM
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Why would you focus on the actual practice of harems? I know a guy who slept with over a 100 women. What does Ottoman sultanic practices have to do with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:30 AM
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We cannot prove consciousness. This would mean that we cannot prove that we have emerged from physical structures. I don't see the connection. Cogito ergo sum - there are experiences. The problem of consciousness is that it can not be arrived at from what Hume called a "bundle or collection of different perceptions, which succeed each other with an inconceivable rapidity" So there is experience, whether there's consciousness or not. And that experience is ultimately derived from sensory input. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:43 AM
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Not unreasonable - unfalsifiable. Maybe we are sentient and conscious, maybe we are not. Regardless of what we are, we emerge from physical structures. Physical structures are in no way arbitrary. So neither are we.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:28 AM
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This ‘stuff’ has however evolved to attain sentience. That's an imcomplete arguement. Certainly feels like it. Which responds to stimuli. Agreed? Yes. Stimuli is also made of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:15 AM
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Yall complaining paying $60 for a date while the expectations there is to pay for her father’s medical bills. I mean this is not an equivalent though, you aren't expected to pay for her fathers medical bills as a first date where she's overwhelmingly likely to reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:00 AM
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Conversely, in my anecdotal experience, almost all my outcomes have come by conscious decision. So cannot relate. Are you not made of stuff? And if you're made of stuff, does stuff behave arbitrarily?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:54 PM
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The state already caps the amount of pupils enrolled into higher educational programs And I don't want anything, preference is arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:39 PM
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Well, very unattractive women are most likely to get married The analysis of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health) shows that very unattractive women were significantly more likely to be married at Age 29 than unattractive or average-looking women, and their spouses or partners earned significantly more than those of unattractive or average-looking women. They also have a slightly above average amount of sexual partners > McClintock (2013): In a study published in Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:02 PM
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Are you a contrarian by nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:28 PM
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How hot am I? And how old?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:43 PM
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I was asked Can you elaborate? Would you not date someone like yourself? It's right there dude
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:09 PM
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Then why is the title of the post If you woke up as a straight woman, what kind of partner would you go for?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:49 PM
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How? I'm a man with no interest in dating, and certainly no interest in going for one woman who happens to like me. If I was a woman, I couldn't get me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:26 PM
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I'd stay single
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:45 PM
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Men need to adapt and improve their single lives, decenter women just like women decentered men already. And we need to stop paying for them also
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:43 AM
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2) The bar is low as hell. This is repeated over and over again but it's not actually true. The top 10% most sexually active men are having more sexual partners now than ever before Meanwhile, all data suggests people are having fewer partners than before overall. So the way sex is distributed among the male population has significantly altered to the benefit of those who do well with women, which then leaves far more men unable to find sexual partners at all. The bar has never been higher; on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:44 AM
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Literally the only difference is his knowledge of something that happened in the past in a completely different relationship No, that's not the only difference. That person would have learned that the person they've tied their emotional life to, considered someone else worthy of better treatment. That is a difference you refuse to account for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:32 AM
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Because once again, if it was truly important for you to be "treated" a certain way, then you never would have accepted otherwise to begin with You are not static. You change. The things that were important to you as ten years ago are different from the things that are important to you now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:25 AM
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Someone putting less effort into you than they did into other people clearly communicates that they care less about you than they did their ex. If you're fine with that You are free to choose differently of course
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:04 AM
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It does make sense, people didn't spring into existance when they met you, they've proven who they are in their relationships with other people. No person will ever give you everything you want. If it turns out someone used to give more to someone else, but isn't willing to do the same to you, they are clearly communicating that you're not as important now as that person was then. This is so obvious, I think the reason you fall back of weird sarcasm is that you want to make another point which y…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:00 AM
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Based on available sentencing data and research, women generally receive shorter sentences than men for similar crimes, including violent offenses. So women get shorter sentences than men for rape. If your argument was "rape is not sentences harshly enough", I would agree completely. But your argument is "This is a systemic issue where men arent facing consequences for their actions". Women are facing lesser consequences for their actions than men. Women are no put on murder trial for abortions …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:51 PM
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Okay but this is unrelated to everything that was said before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:32 PM
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I'm not going to settle for less than he gave another woman. I get the sense you're being facetious but you shouldn't be. Yes if he treated his exes better than you, that shouldn't be acceptable to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:16 PM
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I agree with both those positions. I'm a bit unclear, are you saying you disagree with both?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:15 PM
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Right, and so I think we can agree on a conclusion; looks matter far less to womens lives than to mens. The outcomes are far more equal for women than they are for men based on physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:05 PM
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.. by counting up all the different regards...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:02 PM
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My ancestors are dead - clearly they were losers
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:02 PM
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I mean men are very well documented to face more severe punishment for equal crimes so if men are not facing consequences for their action, what is there to say about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:00 PM
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According to a report from the Australian Institute of Criminology via SBS The Feed, men are 11.5 times more likely than women to be killed by a stranger. According to data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, approximately 63% of women do not walk alone in their local area after dark, compared to 31% of men. This indicates that men are roughly twice as likely to be out walking alone at night. Statistics don't agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:58 PM
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I agree with your point but I would like to ask you a follow up; do you believe that men, agreeing to far higher voluntary risk, ought to earn more than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:55 PM
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By the same argument, no man is truly poor. No man is truly addicted to drugs. No man is truly disadvantaged in any way. There is always a level of effort that will bring people out of their current circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:34 PM
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It's the difficulty level being to high. Competitions can not be won by everyone, there has to be losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:52 PM
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If you showed these 6800 men to 6800 women, how many would go for those same 4 guys I wonder. God I'd rather kill myself than be a man on the apps again
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:48 PM
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Feminism is female interest collective, so they will fight for what is good for women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:07 PM
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The imbalance you're seeing is men's sex drive. How does that change the outcome? It's almost impossible to define an equivalent when masculinity and femininity are using different scales and with the amount of archetypes that are socially acceptable. That's fine, I can agree with that opinion. That was never in contention however.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:45 PM
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Why not entirely, if it's exploitative?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:14 PM
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Your thoughts and feelings are not facts. That is not a response to anything. Please stay on topic and respectful. "Success in sex" is due to the compulsive, indiscriminate male libido. That's not due to looks. Rather odd thing to say right after saying "Your thoughts and feelings are not fact". "Success in relationships" - you have actual data for this? The authors concluded that 'very unattractive' women were more likely to be married or cohabitating then merely unattractive or even average to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:14 PM
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So you don't believe that, for instance, Polish men should be able to go to Norway and work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:53 PM
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So you oppose labor immigration?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:51 PM
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Women who are very unattractive are having way more success in sex and relationships than men who are very unattractive. So if we define lookmatch as the equivalent percentile attractiveness as determined by consensus, there does indeed seem to be an imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:48 PM
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I don't understand why having sex with women from poorer countries is "exploiting the vulnerable" but hiring a man from poorer cultures to clean your gutters is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:21 PM
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The military choses for people who are violent and actively work to make them more comfortable with violence. It's not indicative of male social relationships. I'm in two different board game groups with only men. They're no less safe than LGBT board game groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:15 PM
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Seems entirely fair
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:08 PM
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Yes, for those women. Not for women as a whole, unless opting out completely becomes the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:42 PM
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Solutions are moral - you have to say that something exists that ought to be otherwise. You might as well ask for a solution to gravity. This predicament exists and will continue to exist as long as conditions remain similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:36 PM
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Because humans learn from experience and a large portion of men barely ever experience women being interested in them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:20 PM
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I don't see how this would benefit men. It would suck for most people and benefit a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:32 AM
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“Sexual distribution”? As in, who are having sex, and in this case in particular, which men are having sex. Removing that variable by avoiding romantic relationships is a great way to avoid that sort of abuse. Yes, that is true and I don't disagree at all. Women withdrawing from sexual relationships is by far the best way to prevent sexual abuse. However, that is not my point of contention; my point of contention is your idea that "Women are choosing better". As research has proven, over the las…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:26 AM
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You
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:52 AM
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Many of us are friends with women. You've made up an enemy in your head and refuse to see the forest for the trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:10 AM
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No, you're simply not chosing to engage with other people, instead relying on stereotypes you've picked up from somewhere else. Read this very thread. Examples of what you talk about are.. well I haven't seen them, though of course I may have missed something. The evidence is right here in front of your eyes. The top comment chain is about how this situation is similar to anorexia in the 90's, and discussing how that situation was alleviated. The second comment focuses on the scholarship of femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:08 AM
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My intention was analysis, I didn't mean to make you feel better either or worse
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:02 AM
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What? Are you saying that women had such difficulties finding a man that would sleep with them, that they began killing themselves in ever-increasing numbers? I'm willing to have my mind changed. Please provide an example of such a situatio.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:58 AM
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Specifically how women are all the same, all shallow and manipulative, how they're barely more mature than children and should be manipulated in return. Why do you get this idea? This forum is such a place. You see a very wide range of opinions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:58 AM
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I wish more men could see a relationship in the way women do: a nice to have but not a necessity. If relationships were as accessable for men as they were for women, that would be the case. We think different because we are intuitive creatures. We learn from experience. Male and female life experiences are different, and so the humans that experience either will form different intutations. Once all the looksmaxxing doesn’t bear fruit I fear violence is going to happen next. Im terrified for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:57 AM
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Exactly. It's easier to meet than before. This hasn't lead, as many would have hoped, to people having more sexual partners than before. It has however lead to the most sexually active men being far more active than before. So if the men that in previous generations would have slept with 50 women, in this generation instead has sex with 100, and the total amount of sexual partners stay the same or decline, that means at least 50 fewer sexual partners for the men below this class. Women get to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:52 AM
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It's harder to date in large part because it's hard to get in front of the right people to begin with. I'd argue the opposite, it's easier to meet people now than ever before. This leads to it being easier for the most attractive men to meet women than before. Since people aren't increasing the amount of sexual partners they have, the only possible development from this is that more attractive men take up an ever growing share of the total amount of sex that men have, leaving less for the rest, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:49 AM
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Men are getting a little taste of what having strict beauty standards feels like when they've had no issue imposing those on women since the beginning of time. Are women supposed to feel bad for them? Women have never, ever, at any point in history, in any place, had the same problems men are facing right now. What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:45 AM
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Or, and hear me out here, your social circle is not entirely representative of the totality of human experience
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:44 AM
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It provides community for people struggling with common issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:39 AM
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And what's for sure: the red pill isn't helping them. It makes them even more bitter and lonely and isolated and wary of women. How is that for sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:39 AM
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but how do you get men to not base their worth on female validation? You don't because very basic human desires, like sexual intimacy, is locked behind female validation. There's no smart sentence or attitude campaign that will change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:37 AM
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No one slept with them or married them to get rid of those problems Well that was never what their problem was, how is this even remotely an equivalence? Why do young boys and men feel so worthless without the company of women? It's because for men, finding sexual partners is an actual challenge, and women are the referees that decide whether we get to or not. This is not the case for women, who can find men whether they're anorexic or overweight. The reason men are as we are, is because male ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:36 AM
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The more interesting question would be: do you think people deserve intervention. We all agree, well most of us, that no one deserves or is entitled to a relationship. Do people deserve and/or are entitled to intervention when they are mistreated?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:58 AM
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Morality is not an intellectual proposition, it's an evolutionary development that allowed us to curate our immediate social environment, which begot us the ability to form larger groups that were in turn able to outcompete other groups of humans. You're right of course that explaining morals is like explaining taste. I like strawberries because I just do. I feel morality because I just do. I share your aversions to peoples post-fact rationalizations of what is purely intuitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:56 AM
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Rates of sexual abuse are up. Women are reporting more spitting, slapping, uninvited anal sex etc. etc. The results of changes in sexual distribution aren't causing women any victories either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:43 AM
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Rates of sexual abuse are up. Women are reporting more spitting, slapping, uninvited anal sex etc. etc. The results of changes in sexual distribution aren't causing women any victories either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:42 AM
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Yes, and this applies to social change more generally. Ideologies don't just happen, they are responses to inequalities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:09 AM
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Yeah this argument is "men with no options should be chosier" which is.. a perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:36 PM
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1% of men commit 63% of violent crime If you take those out, men are not much more violent than women. Most men are roughly as violent as most women. If women were stronger, perhaps a tiny tiny group of women would be violent as well but most women would clearly have zero increase in violence if we switched strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:32 PM
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Yeah same, I have never worried about coming off as creepy and people who do are probably creepy. I don't approach women because the rejection is constant and soul-crushing and I've learned to be reasonably happy in life without romance or intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:59 PM
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There's a massive difference between these two groups of people Women who date, romance and fuck for a while, discover they're not satisfied and so make the informed decision to step away vs Men who never date, romance or fuck, who wish for these things but can't get them, and gradually fall into despair It's like the difference between a rich person who after a while decides on a more ascetic lifestyle, and someone born into poverty and remaining poor their entire life
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:48 PM
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It is an answer, you dont want to engage as I am right
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:55 PM
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If women dont like their porblems, they can just chose to have mens problems instead...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:12 PM
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No one is forcing anyone to do anything. But if it's good enough for men, it's good enough for women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:33 PM
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No but it's often part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:33 PM
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He said some hurtful things during that conversation. He knew I briefly had a thing with a baseball player in college and he said how I was "happy getting on my hand and knees to get assfucked my a left-fielder but suddenly became a prude for me." God this is the most I've laughed in a week
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:08 AM
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Would you show more empathy for a person who says “you will never understand what it’s like to be hungry!” vs a person who says “I’m really hungry”? If that person has been really, really hungry then I'd certainly show humility towards that. I know some people that crossed the desert to get to the Mediterranean, one of the guys lost his wife on the crossing. If they tell me I don't know what struggle is then yeah I'd agree with them completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:06 AM
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They don't swipe right on the first five though, they go through a lot of profiles and swipe right on roughly 6% of them on average from what I've read
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:05 AM
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What on earth are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:04 AM
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So are you truly in the position of choosers when what you can choose from is potentially dangerous, and if something bad happens to you, society will uniquevocally blame you for it? First of, yes that doesn't change the fact that they are the chosers, and secondly, society will not uniquevocally blame women for it. There are some parts of society that will, but uniquevocally is just disingenious. Don't you think there are many straight women who find themselves sexually frustrated with no possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:05 AM
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Women are also far more likely to suffer abuse during sex, less likely to orgasm, and they can get pregnant from it. Women have loads of reasons to have less sex than men do. And because women want to have sex less than men do, the distribution of sex becomes far more even for women. They have the position of chosers, as the supply of male sexuality far outstrips the female desire for it. I haven't had sex for 12-13 years, this situation is far more common for men than for women. I have friends,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:53 AM
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Women also have much more evenly distributed sex though, that is a massive factor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:23 AM
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Can I ask, did you agree with the whole "bear over man thing"? If you didn't then I have no issue with this opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:11 AM
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“I don’t get matches on dating apps” is different from “women only think 5% of men are attractive.” That seems quite true, though, women usually swipe on 5% of men on dating apps which is all the data we have “women don’t even understand what it’s like to be lonely.” I've been single and sexless for 14 years, I don't agree that there are many women who understand loneliness to that degree. Every person experiences only their own feelings, but if someone for instance has gone very hungry, they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:10 AM
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I wouldn't mind waiting for sex, I would mind having to wait for sex while other men didn't have to. If you're always slow about it then I wouldn't have a problem about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:22 PM
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Periods are frankly a completely different subject. Men have higher risk of getting murdered. Not everything about a gender has to do with sexual reproduction. Rape is very broad. Sarah Everard couldn't avoid hers. But the most common form, which is the so called "nachpiel-rape", can be avoided by staying home and away from everyone. Good enough for men, good enough for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:43 PM
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How is that any different for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:59 PM
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They shouldn't have any, who claimed that they should? The post responds to the very common claim that men are advantaged over women. The poster is saying that is not the case. Did you honestly read this to mean that men should have advantages over women? It's hard to imagine this as anything but a straight up bad faith attempt to derail the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:49 PM
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I freely aknowledge the cause. Men are more incentivised to have sex than women, which creates an economic surplus of male sexuality that leaves women in the position of chosers. The predicament that emerges from this imbalance is that women are the chosers, and so are free to engage in sex near regardless of personal qualities, while men are competing for a limited amount of sex that is distributed by women. Mens failures are thus not voluntary, while women's failures are simple to avoid. Yet w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:09 PM
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I'll take your obvious avoidance to engaging with your own point as a concession, thanks I am engaging with you. Men can't get laid - no problem, suck it up. Women can get laid - and chose to - and then suffer consequences - huge problem, entire society need to be held responsible - can't throw enough resources at it. If womens problems from having sex are so much worse than mens problems of not having sex, women could simply chose to have mens problems instead. Women engage in sex despite all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:30 PM
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You can avoid all that by being celibate?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:23 PM
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You can only reduce support if there is support
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:22 PM
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I agree with you on that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:15 PM
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onestly, i don't understand why they think taking away women's choice will make it fair. If a situation is unfair in womens favor, why wouldn't men prefer it to instead be unfair in ours?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:03 PM
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The blessing in question is the response from women. That blessing can be applied any way he choses.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:58 PM
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Society is class conflict. People arguing for advantage for a group of people they are in with, as with feminism for instance, argue that things that are good for them is "fair". It has never had anything to do with fairness, it has to do with self-interest, which then needs be justified in some other manner to seem more palpable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:26 PM
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So we can agree, men failing to attract women are mens fault, women getting with violent men are womens fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:23 PM
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Yes, we do. Do women not have the opportunity to pursue romantic relationships with non-violent men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:21 PM
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No, equal value does not mean equal opportunity. Women get sex and romance in their lives no matter what. Men do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:17 PM
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One party, one time, in one country, have instituted some reductions in the amount of the support women receieve. That doesn't mean mothers throughout the world, in particular the Anglosphere which this forums mostly encompasses, aren't provided tremendous resources to deal with pregnancy. Women can have sex no matter what. Access to sex itself is highly competetive for men. This is the difference we are discussing in the post. I'm sorry I wasn't aware I would have to repeat to you what the issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:09 PM
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It’s now an earnings gap. Not a wage gap. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20200109STO69925/understanding-the-gender-pay-gap-definition-facts-and-causes https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20190712STO56961/gender-equality-understanding-eu-work-on-women-s-rights The EU, Great Britain, Germany and Norway all have governments working on this. I checked no other country. Yes Trump is a political outlier. But this is heavily engrained in the establishment in all western c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:45 PM
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No and so we have massive government programs to help the people who have to go through that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:38 PM
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No, but you can institute policies to make life fairer for men who are in this position: Aim for parity in education. Women have a strong and consistent preference for educated men with higher income potential. At the same time, women take up approximately 66% of higher education. We could cap education to gender, so that no more women are given higher education than men or vica versa, ensuring a 50/50 gender balance. Aim for parity in the relationship between taxes and benefits. Men pay signifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:37 PM
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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that governments aren't working to reduce the "gender pay gap"? That this is somehow over? You speak in the past tense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:29 PM
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sexual reproduction is not supposed to be fair. for men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:26 PM
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No, it's the very same issue. Problem affects women? We need to take mens freedoms away to fix it. Problem affects men? Suck it up losers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:26 PM
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That unfairness only affects men, though. When unfairness affects women it's a national outrage
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:05 PM
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Men dont have the freedom women do, where no matter who you are or what you do, you're going to have sexual opportunities. Women like you dont give a shit because you dont consider men to be humans of equal value, so problems that affect only men aren't problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:04 PM
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Dating isn’t supposed to be fair in the way that some people think. We aren’t all supposed to get assigned a partner. You’re supposed to meet a lot of people, vet them for compatibility, spend time together to determine if you see a future, and rinse and repeat until something clicks. Why is this what we're supposed to do? Did God tell you this? Men see it as a THEM issue but it’s really an EVERYBODY issue. When women make less money than men in a free society where everyone gets to decide what …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:01 PM
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No, there is no way to make dating fair. Men want sex more than women do, which leads to one group operating in a market of surplus and the other in a market of defecit. The power dyniamics are entirely in favor of the gender that has less interest in sex, which is determined pre-society - that is to say, as long as incentives are better for men, as they are, they will want it more. That economic imbalance is ireconcilable and the only policies that have been able to remedy it has been deeply op…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:50 PM
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Alright
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:25 PM
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Why wouldn't I? I know loads of criminals. And also, all men know serial rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:22 PM
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He's part of a group I'm in
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:09 PM
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Feminism in practice is taking mens money and giving it to women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:08 PM
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I have friends, couple of them are women. I have family and community. Less and less the older I get but that's alright
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:00 PM
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Oh lol youre the one arguing in bad faith on the other thread, now you searched down my comments to make bad faith arguments here to. Not engaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:04 PM
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No, you could not say that with this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:59 PM
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I dont know, it's how life's always been. Makes no sense to refer to it as lonely or not lonely in my head, just default
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:59 AM
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Because it wasnt worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 11:13 PM
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Dunno man. My uncle died a few years ago alone in his apartment in his 60s as an alcoholic. I wonder if that will be me. This is one of the reasons I started keeping my apparment a lot cleaner at one point. At one point I'll be found
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:45 PM
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Oh yeah, I'm 36 and last time I had sex I was 24 I think, around that age at least. Several platonic friendships with girls who weren't interested throughout my teenage years, early 20's I basically cried so much a woman felt guilty and, after a couple years decided to give me a chance. Had an okay relationship with her, lasted a bit over a year, but I didn't want to continue it so I sort of ghosted out of it a bit until she confronted me and we broke up. We had sex again a few years later after…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:55 PM
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Social democracy is a transfer of wealth with a clear tendency for money to move away from men and towards women The money is easy to follow
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:35 PM
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You're one Das Kapital session away from reslising that all history is class conflict
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:04 PM
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When men say that, we are comparing ourselves to guys that get tons of attention from women. I know two men that I am entirely convinced are serial rapists. Women chose them over me, constistently, up until I stopped trying. I'm not a great guy. I'm however completely safe to be around. Which makes me morally better than a lot of men that women chose a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:42 PM
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But good is relative. I don't consider myself good compared to, say, Angelina Jolie. I do consider myself good compared to, say, a serial rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:17 PM
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When do men say that ugly men never cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:08 PM
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Alright. Referring to an activity with a moralistic adjective doesn't actually affect the activity itself. I could say calling your account "jorts-enthusiast" is misogynistic, it doesn't change anything about what the action actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:55 PM
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Society affects everyone, including people you dont care about
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:41 PM
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It's not an argument, it's contextualisation. Most men have no reason to care about casual sex, and whether women chose to do it more or less often, as most men are not affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:16 PM
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So it's irrelevant to most men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 11:25 AM
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Its not hard to see. It's not an excuse, it's a reason. And yes I agree, the legal system does basically nothing against rape. But women, having tons and tons of alternatives, chosen this guy over and over. That's why rape is so common. Few men do it, its a skill issue on women's part
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 11:24 AM
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The women have options. Among these options they elect to go for him instead of other men. That's their decisions. It's my friendship group from childhood, it's been going on for 20 years
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:29 AM
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No you're being criticized for chosing poorly A guy in my friendship group is a serial rapists. He constantly gets women, over and over and over. That's womens fault
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:33 AM
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No, when men use the same methods (poisoning, for instance), they die far more often When women use the same method, they die less often (hanging, for isntance) Female suicide statistics are also severly impacted by a very small amount of women having a very high number of unsuccesful attempts Everything you are saying is a lie, you're just a bigot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:38 PM
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Women commit more suicide than men, it's just that women choose milder methods like pills overdosing and stuff like that which if they are found in a bad state can be taken to a hospital and recovered When men use those methods, they die Women do not attempt suicide more than men. That's a purely ideological stance that has nothing to do with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:49 PM
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lol good luck with that The men who already have sex will make up the difference easily. There will never be shortage of dick
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:17 AM
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Evolutionary and sociocultural theories of mate selection preferences contend that men place greater value on physical attractiveness than do women. Thus, meta-analyses were conducted of findings from 5 research paradigms that have examined the hypothesis: (1) questionnaire studies, (2) analyses of lonely hearts advertisements, (3) studies that correlate attractiveness with opposite sex popularity, (4) studies that correlate attractiveness with liking by a dyadic interaction partner, and (5) exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:36 PM
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Which studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:25 PM
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Threesomes seem so awkward, sex is a social activity
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:20 PM
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and tabula rasa
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:16 PM
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Quantum mechanics are far more messy and can be predicted by statistical models. Messiness disappears in large numbers, just as a feature of large numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:11 PM
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Yeah because he no longer cares about being attractive to women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:09 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:12 PM
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It isn't the immigrants fault they can do things cheaper than you can. I am not saying that doesn't matter. Who cares about fault, lower class immigrants coming to the country make me poorer. Of course I and most people in my position is against it. But taking your tax dollars and not even giving you Healthcare. And corporations often charging people more because they have insurance cuz "the insurance company will pay us too" This is problem spesific to the USA, where I don't live. Yet the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:26 PM
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This is just you in dreamland..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:20 PM
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I work in a small company. Some old woman wants some work on her house done, so she checks various companies and estimates. More than half the people in my profession are foreigners working in my country. We all compete to offer out services to this lady. Price is a massive part of her decision. We lower prices. We can no longer afford raises. Our equipment gets older and worn out and we can perform less labour in a given hour. How are the billionaires doing this to me? Other than by sponsoring …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:37 PM
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You're not frustrated because you can't get laid. According to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:33 PM
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No? That's such a big part of the redpill? Ugly women have sex with more men and get married more often than beautiful moment, that's part and parcel of the ideology...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:12 PM
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And what steps do you take to ensure that men, who are by far the most likely gender to be the victim of violence and murder, suffer less? And if the answer is nothing, why would you expect them to do anything for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:38 PM
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Which is bad for the men who were already having sex with many women Let's say one man has sex with 100 women, and another man has sex with one woman. Now, due to increasingly bad conditions, women become 20% less likely to have sex with men. The man with a 100 partners would now instead have 80, while the man with 1 partners would have 0.8, or said another way, will have a 20% chance to lose one. Just doesn't matter to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:33 PM
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Why bother though, every single one says exactly that and so your unwillingness to read proves you're not arguing in good faith. Many men – most men – don’t actively disrespect women. But when you let someone else’s poor behaviour pass without comment, you are condoning it. You let him think that you agree with his way of thinking, and that violence is acceptable. Not challenging his “harmless” comments makes him feel entitled to escalate his beliefs and behaviours in public and in private. So i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:16 PM
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Well, that's odd https://www.whiteribbon.org.uk/news/2019/12/6/its-high-time-men-take-on-the-onus-for-stopping-male-violence https://www.respectvictoria.vic.gov.au/men-need-to-talk-about-violence-against-women https://gender.stanford.edu/news/not-just-womens-issue-dr-jackson-katz-explores-why-we-need-more-few-good-men-end-cycle https://ntv.org.au/violence-against-women-is-a-mens-issue/ https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/men-must-hold-each-other-accountable-over-the-disrespect-of-women/ https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:59 PM
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I never said "contain the impulses of other men" you are responsible for yourself. But if you hear a man talking badly about women, call him out. Shame him for being sexist. When a man makes a rape joke, call him out. Shame him. Why? Jokes are not the reason why rape is so common-place, that is a feature of sexual distribution as outlined above. And the men that have sex with high numbers of women are high-status men which is a position women grant them. Low-status men cannot bully high status m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:33 PM
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Yes 100%, and this leads to men seeking it more than women, which leads to a schewed marked in which winners win big and most men lose
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:25 PM
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But do you give a shit about the demographic in question?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:23 PM
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Which ultimately makes it harder for nice guys to date because it becomes increasingly harder to tell who is actually a nice guy and who isn't But this ignores the crux of my argument. You want men who have little sexual succes to contain the impulses of men who are, through women's decisions, sexually successful. If they succeed, they will find no benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:22 PM
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But opportunities are not equally distributed. For one man to bed many women, many men need to bed very few. So you're asking men who are, because women decide so, sexually unsuccessful to intervene against the men women chose that should be sexually successful. Your comment ignores the power dynamics I have described above
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:20 PM
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Doesnt matter If theres no shame theres no slutshaming
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:07 PM
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Thats not a sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:32 PM
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Makes no difference. Slutshaming is contingent on the shame. Absent the shame there's no slutshaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:17 PM
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Easy. A man doesn't want to have sex with a woman who has had a high number of partners previously. He does not expect her to feel shame about it. There you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:41 PM
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Because they want something they suspect they can't get while being honest, and so they deceive someone. Like, everyone who lies has a reason. It's not peculiar to this particular lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:50 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:47 PM
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That's not a woman thing, it's an experience thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:17 PM
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Success is relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:20 PM
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That's redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 07:30 PM
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Again, how is this relevant? For men, being sexually attractive leads to: higher chance of getting married, as well as higher average number of sexual partners. For women, being sexually attractive leads to: same chance of getting married, roughly same average number of sexual partners. Clearly women are the ones screening for being hot, to a much larger degree than men. It's incoherent on the basis of this information to make the statement you did - "Meanwhile, men’s initial screening filter: h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:54 PM
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I replied to you saying this Meanwhile, men’s initial screening filter: hot Which is clearly incorrect; as unattractive women are both sexually active with men, and marry men, at rates that are not below their more attractive counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:28 PM
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How would that be relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:18 AM
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No?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:17 AM
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Very unattractive women are more likely to be married than other women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:47 AM
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Based on research and studies, there is no evidence to suggest that less physically attractive women are less sexually active. In fact, some findings suggest that for women, the number of sexual partners is not positively correlated with physical attractiveness, and in some contexts, women with lower body weight (often considered more conventionally attractive) have reported fewer partner Male vs. Female Differences: Research suggests a stronger link between attractiveness and sexual activity fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:21 AM
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The point isn't about who'se had it worse, the point is that people collect experience and that colors how we see the world. Had you lived my life, you would have opinions far closer to the ones I have. Had I lived yours, my opinions would resemble the ones you have now. Have you ever talked to a teenagers? They won't listen. You do know better. You're older, wiser, more experienced. But they want to run of and make their own mistakes. Well teenagers are that way because of a lack of life experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:11 AM
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Experience. And that's my point. I'd be wiser too had I more experience. However bad you feel it is from random women, it's worse when it's someone you love. Surely on a per instance basis, getting rejected within a relationship with all the emotional entanglement that entails will be worse than being rejected by a newly met woman. Can you confidently say that it feels worse than being rejected by all women though? Because then we move outside of your experience and into mine, and now I am the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:38 PM
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I dont understand what you're trying to say, can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:35 PM
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Ymmv though. I've spent two years on dating apps, only to have one conversation with a woman who didn't want to meet as we lived to far apart. Do I seem unable to form a coherent sentence? I have no doubt your words reflect your experience, but your experience is from a post-first-filter perspective, and most men who struggle to get dates struggle to get past the first filter. You all promote men and have 0 idea what men actually are... Again, to know what a man that can't get laid, can't get da…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:28 PM
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Yeah, a lot of guys don't realize that being a relationship who doesn't really like you, or resents you, is worse than being single. Yes because a lot of guys dont get relationship experiences, and for a lot of the ones that do, they get it completely at the mercy of women. I'm sure if I had had four reasonably long term relationships, two situationships, and three one-night stands in my life, I would have views on the topic that are closer to those of women. Instead I have, as a man in my 30's,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:19 PM
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Aye, but most people don't get profesional coaching, they just look at the people who are better and try to see how to do what they do. Same with work. Same with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:14 PM
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You then end up adopting their dating style. Making you the player with multiple women and become the men you complain about hogging all the women Yeah, because these are invidvidual men trying to improve their individual conditions, not a cabal at the top controlling the behaviour of all men. And if this is true, if men are allowed to date multiple men then womens hould be allowed to be "sluts" and enter romantic and sexual relationships without being exclusive. But we are way more shamed for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:05 PM
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It is 100% the case that men who are struggling have not exhausted all the options available to them. Whether they're struggling with dating, poverty, disease, employment, political unrest, bullying, grades, anxiety, unjust imprisonment, a housefire, a terrorist-attack. There's always something more that could be done. Do we give up on children who are bullied in school, because they haven't thoroughly exhausted every single option?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:30 PM
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Gender Gap: Approximately 30% to 31% of men aged 18–24 report being sexually inactive, a significant increase from previous decades. Unless linking directly to google doesnt work, thats what it says for me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:33 PM
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No, I don't believe there's a single man who can't get laid - given enough investment. The problem on an individual level is that the investments required are far, far to high to consider worthwhile. The problem on a social level is that men are competing for a limited amount of sexual intercourse, meaning that while any one man can better his own position, it comes at the expense of another and so the problem persists for men as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:12 PM
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Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:10 PM
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Google says 30%
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:06 PM
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Why do you think men look at men who are unsuccesful with women for advice? Isn't the most popular male advice for how to get sex at the moment Andrew Tate?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:44 PM
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A lot of men are incels actually. Not the case for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:43 PM
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every player Do you mean every golfer or ever "player"(playboy)? Bit ambigous
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:00 PM
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It hasnt stopped me from getting guys. Yeah, you're a woman, nothings gonna stop you from getting guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:57 PM
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When you play golf, do you not look at what better players are doing in order to improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:45 PM
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No it's not. Women cost the state vastly more than they pay in taxes. No one has ever said women dont pay taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:36 PM
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Dating is just supposed to be something fun whist getting to know the other person. How does this make any sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:24 PM
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If my brother or sister cheated on their spouse, I would say something. In a story about a person cheating, obviously that person is accountable. What the hell man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:12 PM
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To condone is a moral question. Whether I condone it is not part of the conversation, the question remains: what male behaviour is rewarded with sex, and what behaviour is not. The reason this is relevant, if you look at the context of the OP, is that the question we are asking ourselves here today is: "Is taking advice from women on dating something men should do?". And the fact that women, when asked how men ought to behave in order to be more succesful at seducing women, categorically do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 03:23 PM
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Even in nazi Germany, women were the most avid supporters of Hitler. Just a caveat, this is true in the later parts of nazi germany, before they took power and in the first few years after they were a party built on male support mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 03:18 PM
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it's not hard to manipulate people into sex How would you know? People with agency can still get used Yeah and they play a part in that through their chosing. It's not a question of whether women are morally right or wrong for allowing it. It's a statement about how men who struggle to get laid should strategize if they want to change that. Mayve you'll understand one day if it happens to you. Sorry to disappoint you but no one will ever use me for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 03:06 PM
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This completely removes female agency If we're talking psychoes like whoever killed Sarah Everard then yeah, that would be like your pirate example. But there's so much more you're wilfully ignoring
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:57 PM
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I am red pilled and I would never say that, you've completely made it up. Attractive men are probably a little better people on average, due to being accepted easier and thus socialising better. Men who fuck a very large amount of women, however, are very suspect. Most my attractive male friends have a normal amount of partners and spend most their lives in relationships that seem mutually beneficial. You've made up a point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:54 PM
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There are a lot of morons out there. This is clearly one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:20 PM
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All in all, they do fine with women imo and have normal relationships. We’ve talked about it but it’s honestly hard for us to grasp this whole “male loneliness” thing seeing as most people in our sample are not in this group. Yeah this is a very common issue, because human experience life and learn from it rather than study and understand it (I am not saying I am an expection to this). I know a guy who slept with over 100 women. I've slept with 1 woman and have had no other relationship. If we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:18 PM
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Woman gets empathy, man gets accountability. I'm shocked again I mean the man is clearly the one who is wrong in this situation though, what do you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:15 PM
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The more women I am able to attract, the better the chance "the one" will be attracted to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 10:49 PM
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The men I know that sleep with many women, with a couple of very nice exceptions, are complete psychoes. That tells me that the way to get laid is to be a psycho. Because that's how you get women to pick you most consistently. When women describe how they want men to act, they don't ever describe the behaviour of men who get laid. Instead they usually talk about how to be a nice boyfriend, which is useless advice for me. Imagine I don't have a job, and I ask you how do I get a job, and you tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 10:46 PM
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To be fair all relationships of all kind require some amount of compromise. Certain jokes you don't tell around certain people et cetera. It's not particularily stifling. Also, and rereading it's a bit of a communication issue on my part as I was trying to give advice to men, not to be understood by women: it's not that I can't say I'm sad, it's that I can't talk about the disadvantages that I have. So I could probably say "I am having a hard time" but I can never say "you dont know what it's li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 10:40 PM
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Well I don't know all women and it could be a small sample size ofc, just my advice for other men with female friends is to keep silent about certain things
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:45 PM
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For example, women are objectively more emotional than men, it’s a proven fact That is not the case at all dude. All action or indeed inaction must be founded on emotion. We've known that since Hume. Your statement is absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:14 PM
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But the outcomes come from the same pot. Sex is competitive for men, access itself is inherently hard. So yes, any one man can improve his own standing, but because you're sharing from the same pot (total amount of times a woman has a unique sex partner), you are outcompeting other men for the same position. So your solution functions on an individual level but can not do anything for men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:35 PM
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Again the value of that strategy is severely diminished by the access to those dates in the first place. All well and good to tell men to be picky but the fact is, if you haven't slept with anyone for 5 years and a woman shows a glimmer of interest, she has massive power over you. Sex is desirable. Women's economic advantage in that regard is a source of power, the ability to compel behaviour, that is very real. Yes men can asexualise on purpose, but it doesn't actually win us anything. So if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:31 PM
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I have female friends, two quite close lifelong friends and several group-friends. I don't ever tell any of them that dating is hard. Even the suggestion that it's a little bit difficult. You just can't say anything and expect not to get yelled at. Literally. Otherwise I think they're my greatest friends. Wonderful people. Better at being friends than myself and my male friends in my opinion. But on there are a couple of issues that you just can't broach without serious social ramifications. One…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:24 PM
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Poetry is not epistemology. All events have a near infinite chain of causality preceding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:55 AM
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Okay but most guys don't accept that responsibility so it's a moot point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:52 AM
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No, it's an unfair solution men are forced into because women hold all the power. I can maybe get one date a year. If she says I have to pay or she says no, she can go find another guy in five minutes, while I have to wonder, is this the last chance I am ever going to get? So she has the power and can hold that over my head, and I need to comply or lose out on a very rare opportunity. So I pay, she leaves without giving me a chance, I'm down money and emotionally drained, and I know, I have to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:01 PM
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So men are not allowed to talk about our problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:49 PM
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Who cares? Just dont date them. You imagine that we have the freedom that women have. If I spend a year trying really really hard, I might, might, get one date with one woman. I'm not free. I'm not going to behave like a free person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:43 PM
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Because women bestow status upon men, we are in competition to impress them and they get to chose, bestowing as I said status upon men. It's not possible then for these lower status men to shame high status men into changing their behaviour. If it was, I'd agree with your premise, but the power imbalance makes that impossible. Imagine 20 incels trying to shame Channing Tatum into sleeping with fewer women. Why would he care?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:23 PM
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Gender equality index increases the more tou discriminate against men lol, it doesn't measure gender equality it measures women's outcome
/r/EverydayMisandry28/02/26 12:55 PM
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If they don't want the sex, they can simply abstain from it. Are you saying that sex is the entire game, rather than a happy and healthy life? Are you saying that a happy and healthy life is the entire game, rather than the elimination of child poverty?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:32 AM
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It is about wanting sex less. There's two group and the balance of desire decides the outcome of the system as a whole. It's entirely necessary that when one group has more desire, the other has more power of chosing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:00 AM
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Again it's a very simple economic proposition. Being on the side that wants sex less equals being on the side with options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:41 AM
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Meanwhile for women: you're gonna have sex anyway don't worry The game is unfairly rigged against men and so men complain
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:39 AM
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This is just nonsense. Control of sex falls to the group that is less eager. Just putting your fingers in your ears doesn't constitute an actual argument
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:32 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:36 PM
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Setting aside your faulty basis Could you expand? you're also assuming that every time a woman wants sex, she gets it.¨ No? You have also not explained how that translates to "economic leverage." Even in your own explanation, this would be, at best, sexual leverage. Sexual intercourse is a limited resource for men, thus women have the economic advantage of distribution. I'm sorry but you're clearly arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:22 PM
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Women want sex less than men. So if 100 men wants to have sex 10000 times, but the 100 women opposite them only want to have sex 1000 times, then in a free world (which obviously isn't the case) men would be limited to have sex 1000 times. This is why women have the chosing power in sexual dynamics. Sex for men, as the gender that wants it more, becomes a limited resource distributed by women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:17 PM
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I do. Being in a situation where others have power over you does not necessitate there being no single dose of agency. It's still completely normal for people to complain about actions taken by people with power over them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:11 PM
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Yes. Women have access to a resource that men really want and can trade it however they like. That is power, which can be used to compel action in others. My boss has power over me, because he gets to decide whether or not I have income. Occasionally I will complain if my boss is a dick. The police have power over me, because they decide whether I can go home free or receive a big fine. Occasionally I will complain of the police are dicks. Women have power over me, because they get to decide whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:42 PM
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Men control our own actions, but we don't control the actions if women, who have the power of sexual selection over us. Women get to make all the rules because women are the deciders in sex. This socks for many men and leaves us in a very powerless situation. There are plenty of women who are bad people and who abuse the power they have over people. Guys are going to get together and complain about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:33 PM
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People are allowed to complain about how others treat them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:27 PM
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Women controlling access to sex means the power dynamics are completely uneven. Men have to deal with the ways that women use their power and at times its going to be used in ways that are exploitative towards us and of course we're going to complain about that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:26 PM
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You're ignoring the power dynamics at play where women are able to leverage their economic advantage in sex to compel men to behave in ways that benefit them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:24 PM
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Then why can't you just stop having sex for ever?
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