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Dual-Mating StrategyOver_North8884/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/01/22 06:38 AM
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CMVOver_North8884/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:29 PM
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$ Sugar Bailout $Over_North8884/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/01/22 12:20 AM
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Living in Asia, I can tell you: male homosexuality provides pressure relief. Then there's countries like Laos that are so jealous of being outcompeted by foreign men that they make it a crime to sleep with their women. Of course foreign women can sleep with Laotian men all they want - but that almost never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:11 AM
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It doesn't matter. As a middle-aged guy I'd rather be celebate than date these old pruned out crones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:15 AM
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"focus on increasing their height"? What the hell? The only way is surgery that many regret and makes one look disproportioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:30 PM
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I suspect he's not a real simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:15 AM
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Because you'll eventually perceive him as a wimpy pushover. Women respond to a certain firmness and resistance to activate their femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:13 AM
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Men neg as a last resort strategy. The best personality-based tactics to attract women are through storytelling and humor. If a man has those down then he doesn't need to neg.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:14 AM
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Yeah until you get tired of his simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:09 AM
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Women aren’t out there telling one another to neg men. Because women do it instinctively but it's called shit testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:07 AM
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Women don't require negging advisement. They do it instinctively.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:05 AM
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It's a logical conclusion if a woman's value is in gestation and suckling as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:12 PM
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No doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:05 PM
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Roman soldiers could rape women from conquered tribes then take their pick of non-Roman women desperate for citizenship and that steady retirement income support. Same story, different details.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 02:33 PM
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Gender is in three parts: genetic, physical, and
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:26 AM
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Well nukes means the US will never be invaded. In a few years human soldiers will be redundant anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:22 AM
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So you can be kept in factory baby mills then...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:20 AM
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Well yeah that's the propaganda effect - part of which included going to college on the GI bill, landing a good career, marrying, and living the ultraprocessed American dream - and which commonly occured.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:19 AM
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Good point ☝️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:30 AM
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You're the first woman to agree with me on this topic so that's a relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:30 AM
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You're further on this continuum than I am haha. I don't equate marriage with sex work but i think a substantial number of marriages involve sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:13 AM
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Nope exchanging sexual resources for financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:24 PM
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Roles are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:54 AM
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Prostitution isn't a product: sexual resources exchanged for financial resources. Deconstruct the ceremony and indirection and the reality of many relationships is ugly indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:57 AM
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Yes in the context of the list I provided. Notice I didn't include two broke people who are married for 70 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:10 AM
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Your OP states that’s the only reason to enter relationships It doesn't say anything of the sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:58 AM
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Wrong. You specifically wrote that I enter relationships to exchange financial resources for sexual resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:55 AM
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I haven't seen an explanation from you that wasn't problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:45 AM
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Uh, that's a personal attack with no basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:43 AM
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Breaking up over post-layoff behavior is not breaking up over the layoff itself. A 50/50 relationship situation is nuanced. My ex-wife and I had a 50/50 and we both supported each other during extended layoffs (and my extended illness). 50/50s generally assume the situation only holds while both partners can contribute but loss of provider ability doesn't constitute grounds for dissolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:42 AM
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Wanting a consistent career and breaking up with a dude because of circumstances outside his control are two totally different scenarios. If layoff equals breakup then it's prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:33 AM
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No, only if she's extracting financial resources. In fact it could go the opposite direction if she has significant economic resources and he doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:28 AM
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Right, I addressed that in the last paragraph of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:19 AM
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On the contrary, it deconstructs relationships. It sounds more like you want to gussy up prostitution as acceptable by adding indirection and ceremony. Remove the superficialities and what you're left with is a boatload of prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:18 AM
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Would she still have sex without the dinner, flowers, and gifts? If not, prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:14 AM
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Yes a dude who expects a non-working wife is asking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:13 AM
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Yes but not every transaction involves exchanging sexual resources for financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:12 AM
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Well many of those are still ultimately monetary. Chores would require hiring otherwise, events cost money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:08 AM
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Dumping men who lose their livelihood doesn’t even apply here as it doesn’t prove that she was with him solely for the money he makes. "Solely" is not a requirement. A hooker may occasionally enjoy her work and might even orgasm. That doesn't mean she's not prostituting for that transaction. If sexual resources are exchanged for financial resources it's prostitution. That doesn't mean that there's no other factors involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:05 AM
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Nope. It's not either or. Any hope of exchanging sexual resources for financial resources is prostitution. A call girl may offer GFE, a goldigger may enjoy sex. They're both prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:00 AM
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No but I've met plenty who are. About 3/4 of women on dating sites are financially motivated but that's over-representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:58 AM
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I would say yes because that A is indirectly financial. Adding indirection to the chain between financial resources and sexual resources doesn't change the fundamental nature of the transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:48 AM
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I'd have to disagree with you on that one. Prostitution requires extraction of financial resources (AKA "money") not just an exchange. Two people who want to smash are not prostituting with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:10 AM
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Yes it can apply to either gender but that's rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:04 AM
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Yes but not every relationship involves one party providing sex and the other providing financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:57 PM
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Which misses the point. Prostitution is when resource extraction is involved. If I got married and had children again I'd want the mother to have income capability in case I pass away. I'm not extracting resources so I'm not a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:52 PM
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Yes it is but that's only one category of prostitution. The golddigger who waits for her rich and elderly husband to die is a prostitute but not a hooker. So is the woman who marries into money for a life of luxury or the single mom who fools a beta bux into marrying her and adopting her children then she divorces him and takes his home, car, 401k, child support payments, and alimony. It's a about intent not agreement, ceremony, or indirection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:48 PM
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I screwed it up. It should be "the biggest determinant of one's socioeconomic status is the SES (socioeconomic status) of one's parents."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:41 PM
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I see it another way, women limit the definition to avoid thinking of themselves as prostitutes. The definition you provide is engineered to make the reality of the situation acceptable by adding ceremony and indirection. A hooker who explicitly takes payment for sex and a goldigger who waits for her wealthy older husband to die are fundamentally the same. The golddigger adding lying and playing the long game is mere superficialities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:40 PM
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No; there is no necessity of a guarantee. Gambling on a big payday is still prostitution. It's about intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:31 PM
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No it's having sex for money, not specifically payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:28 PM
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prostitution involves a clear exchange No it doesn't. That's the main point of my OP. It's about the reality of the situation rather than adding indirection and ceremony. Hooker -> sex -> payment Golddigger -> sex -> partner dies -> payday They're the same sitaustion, one is just honest about it and plays the short game, the other is lying and playing the long game. Both are prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:26 PM
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That attacks the RP/incel position. I'm not RP or incel so I won't defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:18 PM
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Thanks good to know. His thinking shows signs of illness so I started ignoring him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:39 PM
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Broke is independent of unstable and irrational. I never commented about that but you seem to lump them all together when they're independent (although correlated) variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:33 PM
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No. No sex (or dangling out the possibility of sex like friendzoners accumulating orbiters), no prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:22 PM
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Ok a similar debate in another thread made me realize an important piece was missing in this example: there must be planned resource extraction so I withdraw my earlier comment you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:20 PM
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Because that implies you only have sex with non-broke people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:16 PM
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It depends on if one person is "liked" because they have financial assets targeted for extraction by the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:15 PM
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What you identified wasn't in my list.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:12 PM
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Prostitution implies specifically offering sex through payment That's a specific type of prostitution: hookers, call girls, street tramps, etc who specialize in short term transactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:12 PM
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That's true for actual hookers, call girls, etc., not prostitutes in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:08 PM
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It’s not prostitution if I intentionally seek out a partner who wants to have a home and a family and is striving towards having a job that supports those dreams. That one is nuanced but it might or might not be. It’s not prostitution to break up with someone who can’t hold down a job due to their own fault. Well if you have to support them then yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:06 PM
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You're attacking a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:02 PM
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If a woman has financial standards for who she sleeps with, she's a gold digger. Fixed it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:01 PM
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but the exchange has to be clear. No it doesn't. Example: younger woman marries older man to seize his fortune when he dies. It's still prostitution. It's about intent and results not explicitness. if either side has any material benefit it is prostitution? It's relative. If a fairly wealthy woman picked someone based on the cars they drive or the houses they own, that would make them a prostitute? They also drive nice cars and have nice houses. Not necessarily if they're not financially gaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:56 PM
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If you have a different definition we can debate it. I didn't actually invent this one either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:46 PM
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It’s as much as a “dual mating strategy” as you describing men as “they just fuck sluts for fun, but LTR virginal women.” I don't disagree with that although the "mating" in this context refers to long term relationships. At least Beta Bob gets a marriage Yeah so what if he loses everything after the marriage. Sounds like the “sluts” just get used and discarded despite wanting longterm romance too. I'd rather get used up and discarded than that plus lose my 401k, house, and be held responsible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:44 PM
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It's not, BUT "payment" can be very indirect. A woman can marry a very old wealthy man, wait for him to croak, and take everything. It's still prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:38 PM
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You're referring to alpha fux/beta bux which is an incel concept. I don't think people are confused by it like that so much as warning men of predatory women engaging in dual mating strategy and condemning said women. The difference in alpha fux/beta bux vs. long-term/recreational use only is that RUO women emerge with broken hearts. Beta bux men emerge with loss of home, retirement accounts, and child support for children that aren't theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:35 PM
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Yeah I garbled that acronym.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:24 PM
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Yeah it depends on how much it's give and take. Obviously we can't in the format of a reddit discussion completely formalize all the nuances and everything. Academics could probably spend careers doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:20 PM
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Like is it prostitution if a check out worker gets paid to ring up my groceries? Is sex involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:18 PM
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without liking or caring for the other person and the entire interaction being caused by and dependent on a one way exchange for each party I wouldn't consider that part of the definition. It's prostitution if one party hopes to or does obtain financial benefit from having sex. There's no confounding factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:15 PM
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Short or long term. Some women play the long game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:13 PM
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Prostitution is having sex for money not having sex with someone who has money. If This is technically correct. If you sleep with a rich man and have no hope of financial gain and don't receive any then it's not prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:11 PM
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4 of those dont have a quid pro quo, and are not prostitution. They all had quid pro quo, it was just implicit. One party provides money, the other party provides sex. otherwise all relationships where people have any kind of mutual benefit would be prostitution, which just makes the word meaningless. No because there has to be sex offered on one side and financial gain on the other side to be prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:10 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:04 PM
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Prostitution is obtaining financial gain through sex. Indirection and ceremony introduced to mask it doesn't change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:03 PM
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I'm not saying you can. Sometimes it's not obvious until after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:02 PM
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Prostitution is transactional, does not involve romantic feelings, and is inherently temporary intimacy. No. Prostitution occurs when one hopes for financial gain from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:59 PM
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If you wouldn't have sex with them if they were broke then yes, it's prostitution. You hope for financial gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:58 PM
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I'm not referring to the crime of prostitution, which is a different matter, and it's inconsistently defined among states. What you described are core tenets of American culture. Yes it is. Take that as you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:55 PM
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You're also presenting this with women as the sole initiators of prostitution. Are men who seek out sexually open and attractive partners guilty of being clients if they buy gifts or try to impress her with his job? You didn't read the entire post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:51 PM
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The selection of men based on gifts or cars or what have you is not exchanging sex for money. It's choosing who you relationship based on their financial capacities. They're the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:50 PM
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Because you're still having sex for money, AKA prostitution. What you bring to the table is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:49 PM
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It's at the beginning of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:47 PM
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Would he leave you if you lost your breadwinning ability? That's really the acid test.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:43 PM
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I'm not sure where the first part of that came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:35 PM
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Not through payment but for money. It's an important difference. Perhaps you disagree with the definition of prostitution I provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:30 PM
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That's not something i would either support or object to. I have mixed feelings on prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:02 PM
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Okay see you are being facetious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:00 PM
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I read it several times. I'm still not sure. It's not clear if you're being facetious or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:00 PM
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I'm not sure what to make that.Ii'm not sure if you're even being serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:57 PM
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I was careful to write the OP to not make a value judgment on prostitution. I never said it was good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:57 PM
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A lot of people who were born into poverty do have ambition, as well, No they don't. That's the BS "American dream" mythology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:55 PM
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On other words you're saying his wife should have been a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:54 PM
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No doubt they do, especially when the woman was only with him for his money at the time anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:52 PM
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I neither know nor care. It's not relevant. I was just pointing out RP ideology and you're blowing an anthill into a mountain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:50 PM
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I'm not in disagreement. I'm not defending RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:49 PM
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No. You're hijacking the topic with the blatant lie that RPers are the only ones who care about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:49 PM
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It's still not relevant. RPs hate SMs. It doesn't matter how many you demonstrate that's the philosophy. I'm not defending them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:47 PM
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I never mentioned RP in my post. You introduced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:45 PM
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Yeah so what? It doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:44 PM
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That's exactly what I said. ONE.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:42 PM
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I can only speak to what the red pillers preach not what they practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:42 PM
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I'm not sure I'd call it hypocrisy. Their standards are just different for long-term versus recreational use only.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:40 PM
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No, the biggest determinant of one's socioeconomic status is the SES of one's parents. The second distant determinant is intelligence. It's about winning the birth lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:38 PM
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The point is it's always transactional even if done indirectly and ceremoniously through marriage or whatever. Adding a facade doesn't change the fundamental nature of the arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:36 PM
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Important caveat: for STRs, yes. RPs despise SMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:33 PM
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So anyone who is broke is a thug? A man who comes into money should trade up his partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:26 PM
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You wrote "the" which implies "one". You move the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:25 PM
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If the "like" would fail because of financial misfortune then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:23 PM
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It depends on if you consider hiring street walkers a valid form of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:21 PM
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One piller gets busted sugaring (prostituting) ??? Therefore, only pillers sugar. Critical logic failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:19 PM
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No doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:10 PM
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I don't mean opposite sex judging specifically but society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:09 PM
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Because men aren't judged by their skin but their ability to provide which they stress about just like women stress about their looks. Poor men have outcomes similar to ugly women: stress, ridicule, depression. Rich men have outcomes similar to beautiful women: relaxed, halo effect, confidence. Rich men who lose their livelihoods react similarly to poorly aging supermodels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:48 PM
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5 - Guy confesses his feelings and girl completely freaks out and starts a campaign to destroy his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:24 PM
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Yes there is. Women are the reproductive bottleneck and therefore gatekeeper. Illustration: Island A has 1 man and 100 women. Island B has 100 men and 1 woman. Don't nitpick, such as questioning the fertility of the inhabitants Come back in 50 years. Which island is most likely to have a thriving society? There's no point getting depressed about it as your other comment suggested, there was no intelligence behind it. It's just the way humans evolved. Men are nearly always reproductive surplus, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:37 AM
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As you wish
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:54 AM
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It's studied in basic biology but I'm not hunting citations. If you remain skeptical that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:12 AM
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Yes biologically because they have few reproductive opportunities compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:09 AM
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I'm saying exactly that women are selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:00 AM
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It's exactly why males are pursuers and females the pursued in most of nature. Males want to spread seed far and wide, females want to maximize chances of each offspring surviving.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:41 AM
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A single male can father thousands of children. A single female can mother maybe 15 children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:13 AM
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It's biologically designed that way. Women are the reproductive bottlenecks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:07 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:54 PM
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No it's based on how good a father their partner can be overall. Being rich has little benefit if he's abusive, neglectful, or psycho. Provider ability is only relevant if the woman is of reproductive age (except adoption) and wants children out of the relationship. Also relevant is the number of children and how much she stays home with them. If the couple has daycare or a nanny then she's not contributing much past pregnancy. Most dating relationships are not with the goal of bearing children.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:26 PM
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It's prostitution. There's nothing willfully ignorant about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:24 PM
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I make exception for parenting, which is a different situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:23 PM
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I'm not balking at anything. "Most" isn't personalizing. You are in no way using the same logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:27 PM
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In another thread I made exception for parenting. I'm not mentioning that because parenting isn't essential to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:18 PM
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You're personalizing. It's a cheap shot to assume that. I could come back and say that you're upset because you're a prostitute but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:16 PM
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Huh? That's a non-sequitur. Asexual women and provider men are not on a continuum together. It makes no sense whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:14 PM
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Prostitute is shaming language True or not, it fits. You're upset because YOU can't. You're personalizing. I'm not clapping back with the obvious. You want to use emotional shaming language when providing has been done by men since prehistory. I agree but it changes nothing. Exchanging sex for food and shelter is still prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:10 PM
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No they're not. Money is irrelevant to a relationship. It only becomes an issue with parenting. prostitute (n) One who has sex for money. The point is made. Most women are prostitutes, even if married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:07 PM
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Interestingly enough there are men here who claim that they get sexual favors in exchange for dinner, or that they want to, and when i call it prostitution they don't like it at all. That's an interesting take and in this case we see eye to eye. So men saying that sex is the only reason for them to be in relationship, and women should just give it for free? Well if she doesn't like sex or me then I wouldn't want to be with her. Many men aren't that way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:01 PM
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Ranking of sex on Maslow's hierarchy of needs differs between individuals. Some individuals like yourself could swear it off for life, others get dangerously depressed. RE "sans our gonads": for example, a castrated male. Castrated men typically lose over 90% of their sex drive and no longer seek romantic relationships. Women who have hysterectomies have similar results (they take hormones to stay in normal range).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:58 AM
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Don't reply to this until you're rested. Regarding if sex is truly a need is beside the point. For the vast majority of people, it occupies a position on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The fundamental issue in my mind is that sans our gonads, we lose almost all interest in both sex and relationships. Sure, a minority of people, such as asexuals or those sworn to celibacy, don't seek sex in relationships. This is not a situation where one or a few counterexamples disproves the point. It's not a bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:35 AM
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Regarding asexuality, if an asexual's gonads are removed then they lose even more interest in relationships. It's not total because the chemistry is a little more complex than that. If sex is the drive of a relationship, why do people mourn their partners when they're gone? I don't see the connection to be able to answer your question. I didn't have sex with my grandmother but I mourned her passing. sex appeal is the leading drive of lust, lust drives attraction, attraction drives infatuation, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:58 AM
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False equivalency. Sex is fundamental to relationships. Money is fundamental to prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:26 AM
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prostitute (n) One who has sex for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:25 AM
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Well without money it’s a free use. At least she gets something in return It's still prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:24 AM
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I said some men are only in a relationship for the sex. You equated it to women in relationships for material support. It's a false equivalency. Sex is basic to relationships; material support in relationships outside of certain boundaries like providing for the mother caring for one's children is prostitution. I didn't say Celibate. I didn't say you did. I said some men are only in a relationship for the sex. That is true; I would say most, not some, men see relationships as sexual subscription…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:21 AM
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but the goal for most people in a relationship is not to get off to eachother, it's the connection and trust and bond The bond requires sex. Sex is behind the entire drive to be in relationships. Have your ovaries removed and you won't care much about relationships. Dead bedrooms spoil relationships. if you can call sex a need Yes, it's a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:04 AM
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There is no such thing as "using" for consensual sex. Sex is fundamentally part of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:01 AM
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Some men don't actually want a girlfriend or partner or relationship, some want sex and/or a maid and/or a mother. Sex is fundamentally part of a "girlfriend or partner or relationship". Girls who wish to stay celibate are romantic deadweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:58 AM
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Did the non-working spouse homeschool the children? If not then only time before they were in school counts with maybe a little for the extra time for before and after school - that's all assuming that there was no maid or nanny and the children weren't expected to perform housework as they aged.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:30 AM
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Young people are not adopting the ideology of their parents as much anymore. The Internet exposes people to other ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:46 AM
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I've seen a number of men on conservative forums advocating repeal of the 19th Amendment, barring women from certain professions, a nationwide abortion ban with the death penalty, and very rarely forced impregnation in discussions of declining birthrates. One described women as "our incubators" in the fight against a perceived "demographic suicide". I suspect most far-right politicians think this way they just don't share it out loud. So liberal values include preserving women's political power,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:18 PM
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If obese women are so unattractive and have “zero value” then why would they be good sexually but not romantically? Firstly, at no point did I say "zero value". You're falsely quoting me. I'll be honest with you: obese women are useful to men in lieu of masturbation. However it's just a temporary fix until a more desirable lover is unavailable, not something to subscribe to in the form of a relationship. You don’t want to fuck the fat chick but she’s good at taking care of the home bs. So a dead…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 05:01 PM
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Just be an adult that can pay your bills. I didn't say "can pay your bills" I said broke. You have a standard. The problem is if you have enough to offer to get someone else to agree to it. The value proposition for obese women with any demand is difficult. We are supposed to be so pathetic that we should be used as holes because there’s nothing more to us. Since obesity is a relationship but not sexual deal breaker for so many men then, for relationship purposes, that's fairly accurate although…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:42 PM
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Being obese isn’t choosing to be single. And yet she is single and doesn't want to be. Why might that be? Irrelevant. It's entirely relevant. She's single, doesn't want to be, it's not a choice. WHY is she single? The answer is almost always, demanding more than something is worth. Market a 1974 Pinto for $10000 -> sits in yard with a tree growing in it Short, broke, obnoxious guy demands a supermodel -> incel An obese woman demands commitment from men with certain height, social proof and incom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:48 PM
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Initiating divorce and being at fault in divorce are independent of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:03 PM
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That just restates the problem. Why didn't she have suitors?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:00 PM
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Take a tour of Thailand, Vietnam, and Phillipines. You will have no trouble at all. Just don't give them money except basic support for a live-in gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:42 AM
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Obese women aren't sexually invisible, they are often slam pigs, but have trouble finding relationships. Broke, short men are sexually and relationally invisible even to obese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:34 AM
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It's called a hypothesis. Do you have a better one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:25 AM
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Virgins almost always hurt regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:35 AM
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Yes if they have realistic expectations and willing to lower their standards. Short, ugly, annoying, broke men will wife big women up but such men still remain mostly invisible. This person was an MD and probably had expectations about status and income that her desirability couldn't support.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:30 AM
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OP revealed in a comment that she was very obese her whole life. So, she did choose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:13 PM
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I don't. Taking virginity is not a pleasant experience. I'd rather let some other dude deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:43 PM
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Well if you're aorgasmic or he lacks skill then yeah you wouldn't connect emotionally. I don't know how long you've been married or if your husband is similar but one party not enjoying sex is usually a warning sign of later marital catastrophe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 11:14 PM
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I think clitoral often feels more pleasurable, but not as relieving if that makes sense. I think you mean it's like eating junk food vs a nutrious meal. PIV is less intense but gives you more thorough satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 11:11 PM
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<image> How many men would write a list like this? It may be extreme but still within the mindset of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:43 PM
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I don't know if she is or not until talking to her. If she has a cute pic I'll at least say hi. Also, people lie on their profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:55 PM
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Ok that's fair. If a woman has a detailed profile I'm happy to spend time writing a good intro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:51 PM
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You said men swipe right for validation and the comments demonstrate it. The one comment I saw said men match, not swipe right, for validation, and it's only low value men who do it, not men in general as you say. The rest of my comment stands on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:48 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:44 PM
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Most profiles are blank.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:10 PM
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The first and last one were not my burden of proof. "I use coffee dates only" is a fact. You don't seem to understand basic argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:19 PM
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I addressed facts when required. The others weren't my burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:45 AM
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If that works for you great. I find it isn't worth writing a personalized message until I know some basics about her. It's too time consuming for the quality response rate. I could be writing to a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:44 AM
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The comment I saw qualified it: "this mostly applies to the really unsuccessful and lonely types" and referred to matches. It didn't address swipe strategy "This thread is about things men can do to encourage more women to use apps" No it's not. "yet here you are just attacking the character of all women." No I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:41 AM
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Bro you get the feeling I don't use dating apps? Not the feeling that MOST women don't use dating apps because there are like 90 percent men and 10 percent women in there and even then there are OF BOTS. OKAYYY One does not imply the other. .> Lol men as a means of entertainment, what a joke. Thanks for entertaining me I guess, maybe I gained or stole some "value" from you Also easy step just send a text, 50/50 on dinner tonight. Doesn't respond then bye No I just meet them for coffee, not dinne…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:27 AM
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Except women are less likely to. Because 1) they don't gain anything from men these days, they can earn their own money Women still want expensive meals and entertainment out of their means. 2) Prostitutes literally operate in brothels. I get offers of sex for money daily. 3) You think friendzone happens in apps? The hell! Absolutely. "I'm just looking for friends." It happens all the time. 4) Y'all hate celibates but also don't take the girl seriously if she puts out on the first date because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:00 AM
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What's your point? These dealbreakers are almost never divulged in profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:33 AM
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That's when there's a full conversation going and isn't really part of the topic. It works both ways. Women can waste men's time in conversations just as easily as men can waste women's time: prostitutes, foodies, golddiggers, friendzoners, scamgirls, friends firsters, celibates, and other dating app excrement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:27 AM
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Because the vast majority of the matches for men are just looking for validation via matches or are prostitutes, foodies, goldiggers, and other time wasters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:47 AM
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And women's pickiness discourages men from investing time on filtering. Again, just ignore matches, go by messages. As this other commenter wrote, using the female strategy ensures no matches with reasonable use of time. Women stand a good chance of getting a match on any right swipe. Men don't, but you want men to spend time reading tons of profiles that will never see his profile to match, let alone right swipe him. The male post-match filtering strategy is a natural response to the outweighed…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:19 AM
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I already told you: women filter pre-match, men filter post-match. It parallels each gender's natural mating strategy: males seek to impregnate as many females as possible because their reproductive cells are mass produced and require no investment while females only have one reproductive cell available and invest in pregnancy so they seek quality over quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:05 AM
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What do you expect men to do? Spend 20x more time per profile for a 1% response rate? It's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:52 AM
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I'm not sure why it makes a difference to you. Just don't initiate conversation or do a quick hi. BTW it's similar for straight men. Even among those of us who get plenty of matches, only 20% or so reply, even fewer last beyond the first message, and most of those are prostitutes, scammers, gay men, foodies, golddiggers, and other time wasters. Don't blame this on men, the problem is the apps are structured for engagement not results. Apps that allow matchless direct messaging fare better but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:10 AM
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The OP misunderstands the way most men use these apps. Since the likelihood of getting a match is so low for most men and there's no guarantee profiles are even active it's more efficient for them to do post-match filtering. They swipe right on everyone without looking then unmatch the matches they're not interested in. A second category swipes left or right without reading profiles then does the same, unmatching those they're not interested in after reading profiles. Reading profiles requires w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:53 AM
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When she only wants virtual contact plus absolute loyalty that's way beyond asexuality. Normal asexuals still crave social contact and maybe even physical contact just nothing involving genitals. They are also usually not rigid about it, an asexual female will often allow some penetration to keep their partner happy. Asexual men might try but have erectile problems. Asexuality doesn't imply sexual repulsion. This girl was extreme. No sexual contact, no physical contact, no in-person contact plus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:16 AM
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I didn't fully describe the autistic symptoms. It was like watching an early chatbot maxed for output talking to itself. No self awareness, monotonic speech, incapable of talking about feelings, not picking up on social queues, no body language except repetitive motion. I think she was autistic then a personality disorder layered on top of it to account for her extreme rigidity, not wanting in-person social contact, and complete disregard for what her partner wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:06 AM
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I met an autistic woman for coffee once. She was mildly cute but spent 15 minutes talking about minutae of her coffee cup then asked me to be her boyfriend. Turns out, she wants a "boyfriend" who she never meets again in person - only virtually - but he must still not have sex with anyone else. She wanted to die a virgin but still expects sexual loyalty. Needless to say I left her sitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:08 PM
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Assuming my age and saying my view is based on immaturity is an attack. Spare me the diversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:41 AM
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If you say so. Your model doesn't work so you attack me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:43 PM
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You changed the topic from sex with each other to loving each other. Regardless, I'm likely older than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:19 PM
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Do I tell them? No. Is it obvious? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:09 PM
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Nah it's still going without.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:39 PM
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Read the body: "sexually excites them". Regardless, change to dating vs. no dating, it makes no difference
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:52 AM
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Men aren't interested in sex toys much because they produce superficial orgasms with thin, low volume ejaculate. It's like eating potato chips as a meal. Females get more satisfaction from autoeroticism than men because the clitoris is relatively easy to stimulate. No sex toy today provides anywhere near the sensation of real vaginas. That will likely change soon when artificial vaginas can form the perfect shape and consistency and provide a better experience than real vaginas. Sensors can even…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:50 AM
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The topic is having sex vs. sex starvation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:38 AM
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Make marriage visas trivial to obtain for reproductive age women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:06 AM
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The analogy fails because pizza has high substitutability. It would be more accurate to compare food in general. If the food supply were cut off I have no doubt you'd be rightfully raising hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:03 AM
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The problem is well over half the population of men and women can't sexually excite anyone except others in the same category who only act in desperation and will be thinking of someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:59 AM
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Once robots have realistic vaginas that dynamically adapt to optimize for penis size and shape then it's likely all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:53 AM
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He was mostly elected by old people, actually. And Christians, who somehow love a man who is the least like Jesus of just about anyone. Those were his primary voting block but it was disaffected incels, MGTOWs, etc. that took him over the top. We also might have had a president democrats actually wanted, if Biden hadn’t held out to the last minute then selected a weak candidate instead of letting a democratic process actually select a better candidate. And we also might have had president not-Tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:45 AM
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.> You know perfectly well that older men can be drafted (they are the primary ones drafted in Ukraine right now, actually, not young men). No they just don't draft very young men, unlike the USA where past age 26 aren't draftable. .> Donald was not elected because women aren’t offering themselves up as girlfriends to lonely men. Donald Trump was elected because of lonely single men. Without that demographic we would be saying President Harris. Trump only won by 2 points but Harris would probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 12:22 AM
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Gosh, if only they could have prevented this somehow. Yeah but it's immaterial now. .> Give them more porn and videogames. EZ. That's adding fuel to the fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:16 AM
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You're personalizing this to me. I'm only saying that nations with excess unattached young men become militant and it's a growing problem in the USA. I'm too old to be drafted and I'm not desperate for female companionship. I also didn't say that women need to do anything like give sex. I'm unsure why you're flipping out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:20 AM
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As unsavory as the conclusion is the OP does have a point. Societies with excess young men become militant. It's happening in China right now. Historically the "solution" was to invade neighboring tribes, kill all males and older women, and take the young women. You can say it's anti-values or whatever but the collective testosterone of a growing body of disaffected young men with political power cannot be ignored indefinitely. It's already manifest in the election of Donald Trump. If we don't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:15 AM
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Yes as long as all the physical and dangerous work gets done... By men...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:50 AM
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That goes without saying. Womens' icks are arbitrary and endless so not worth discussion. Enraged older women are another ballgame.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:32 PM
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Not necessarily. I'm claiming that men have almost no opportunity to choose better when falsely accused of SA because the false accusations almost never occur with someone they're in relationships with. The boss babe at work resentful she was passed for promotion in favor of a guy, the lady in the parking lot who thought a random dude looked creepy, the schoolgirl who flunked an exam, the rejected girl livid that the object of her affection's new girlfriend is a hottie, the gym gal furious a dud…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:40 PM
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Most of the time victims of false rape accusations aren't dating their accusers and may even be strangers. In this example, a man was jailed for a month because the woman, whom he never saw, didn't like how he looked. https://www.buckscounty.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=1257
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:55 AM
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No, women use sex to exploit men to extract resources. If you're asexual then only date asexuals. There is no such thing as sexual exploitation between consenting adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:34 PM
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I mean that the ejaculation and orgasm, together, are both very different between masturbation and coitus, not that they're independent of each other. The male ejaculation and orgasm experience of masturbation is completely different than the coital experience. Masturbation feels shallow and just removes the immediate need. It's partially just pressure relief like urination after holding it in. It's not really satisfying. Actual coitus releases a different semen composition in higher volumes and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:29 PM
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men don't realize they are not sexually attractive to the woman You're referring to women's impossible standards that men complain about. Women complain about men objectifying women when women objectifying men is an order of magnitude worse. she wants to continue to be with you platonically No deal. I won't tolerate friend zoning. Cut off the parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:18 PM
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Well without love it won't help to satisfy better anyway to be promiscous pig. Yes it will. Not as much as love usually (because it's mostly about attraction not love) but sex is almost always more satisfying than hands. The exception is if there is a complete lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:05 PM
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That is factually not true. The orgasm and ejaculation are completely different. It's like eating poorly flavored junk food vs a proper delicious meal. Hands provide a quick, short-lasting relief but not real satisfaction even compared to emotionless sex. The chemical composition of the ejaculate is even different and far lower volume.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:01 PM
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And the biological purpose of gender attraction was achieved. Not so with gender based resource extraction. Consensual sex is always fair game. Resource extraction is just roundabout prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:52 PM
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Yeah nah it doesn't work. Without sex drive there is no relationship. Resource extraction has nothing to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:49 PM
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The manliest man occupation is being an elite combat soldier, certainly not agriculture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:27 PM
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Men wouldn't be dating if not for their promiscuity. Sex is the ultimate reason most men date and without it dating isn't worthwhile. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's necessary to tame testosterone bloodlust. Societies with an excess of males tend to become conservative and go to warm Individual sexless males tend towards rape and violence. Incels are a prime example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:41 PM
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There's nothing exploitative about it. Western men provide a better alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:20 PM
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Because, among other reasons, the men raised in that environment treat women terribly so the local women seek foreign men who typically treat them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:18 PM
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most “passport bros” are the creepy predators that go after children in Thailand That is flat out false
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:16 PM
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Women absolutely want sex as much as men. No. Far more women get little or no pleasure from sex than men do. I've seen many women claim to hate sex. I can never recall a man saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 10:23 AM
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Until one woman claims victimization. Then you lose the entire social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:03 AM
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Actually it's not, only if there is ambiguity by a body not being found. In cases of rape it's often questionable if penetration occured or if consent existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:24 AM
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I'd say refusing sex for longer than one week, barring physical health related issues, physical separation both parties did not agree to, or involuntary separation such court orders, kidnapping, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:59 AM
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ChatGPT explains it: The phrases "could care less" and "could not care less" are often used interchangeably in casual speech, but they technically mean different things. "Could care less": This implies that the person has some level of care, as it suggests that it is possible for them to care less than they currently do. However, in American English, it is often used idiomatically to mean the same thing as "could not care less." "Could not care less": This phrase means that the person has no car…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:17 AM
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Maybe you misunderstood. I DON'T CARE if you're creeped out. You don't get to dictate others' behavior. The world doesn't revolve around you and whatever silliness you arbitrarily decide is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:51 AM
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The key is to quit the Western dating market. The Eastern and Latino dating offers far greater prospects. But to answer your question, can you ignore a feeling that simultaneously feels like both starvation and needing to pee? Sex depression is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:32 PM
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I could care less if you're creeped out. You don't get to dictate other's actions based on your arbitrary feeling of creepiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:45 PM
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Tough cookies. Your creep feeling is irrelevant. If you don't like it then don't make yourself visible from a public area. If someone is in a public area they can look and even record all they want and there's not a damn thing you can do about it except perhaps record them and blast them on social media. They probably won't know or care if they did know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:18 PM
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and not have to experience creeps or harassment No outfit could possibly justify cat-calling or staring If you're in the USA, you're welcome to start a drive for the Constitutional amendment necessary to truly curtail this behavior. The photons that reflect off of you don't belong to you and you are not entitled to control the sound waves that reach you. You are also not entitled to not be approached when you're in public. Harassment is a different issue but is limited mostly to touching, impedi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:32 AM
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Also different from a single mom demanding a high-value provider type.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:28 AM
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I just made a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:41 AM
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"Believe women!" "False rape accusations don't happen!" "Testimony is enough for rape conviction!" "A creepy man is guilty for being visible!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:40 AM
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If this is in the USA then she has no hope. Muslims are less than 1% of the population but Muslim men are extremely intolerant of modernized women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/24 08:51 AM
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You're partly there but still miss the point. The higher your perceived self-worth (based on factors which are irrelevant and two are extremely counterproductive to men: gaining weight or having children), the higher your standards subconsciously go. The problem isn't men looking for low quality, it's that 1) you're always seeking a higher quality man than your value dictates and 2) you completely misunderstand what men want. You have a bachelor's degree, you expect a doctorate. You make $50k, y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/24 01:53 AM
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It's nowhere near over for you, girl. Fat, bald, broke dudes in their 60s equal to your marriage market value who would happily wife you up are abundant. But, they are as invisible to you now as "boring" guys your own age when you were in your 20s who you treated like cobblestones who were also equal to you in MMV. Instead, you married a man who temporarily equaled your MMV because he hadn't crossed the finish line yet. Now he has and there's an abundance of higher MMV girls waiting at the finis…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/03/24 12:02 AM
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Bangalore not Bangkok 🙃
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/03/24 12:53 PM
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Seems he is not at all confused but rather doing EXACTLY what he should be doing. If anything he should file a complaint against her for touching his thigh.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/24 10:02 PM
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But women rejecting men for being short or broke is "standards", not "insecurity".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/24 01:24 PM
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It's only a sample of one, but the one woman I met who was almost certainly autistic (she spent 10 minutes obsessing over the lip over her coffee cup) was deathly terrified of physical intimacy and ultimately admitted she wanted a virtual-only boyfriend who still promised to never have sex with anyone else. She was a 33-year-old virgin. She said texting could provide all the emotional connection she requires. I couldn't get out of the coffee shop fast enough and unmatched immediately. She was cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:34 AM
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Blue pill rejects the friendzone concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:12 PM
3

Are you seriously equating being sexless with being raped? Seriously? No, I'm providing examples where one could say correlation != causation. But, I get it. You special plead for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 01:44 AM
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Remember that the next time you read that raped women are at greater risk of suicide, that women make less money than men because of patriarchy, or that men are usually at fault when women seek divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 01:19 AM
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No man ever died from a lack of sex. Sexless men are at much greater risk of suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 10:25 PM
2

Most of that maximum female benefit is resource extraction maximization.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 09:09 PM
3

FDS is literally about women maximizing resource extraction from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:29 PM
2

Not in the room equals behind their backs. Knowing them personally is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 08:18 AM
0

Yes, and most women want that, even if they say otherwise. Thus the attraction to dark triad and bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 07:58 AM
1

So it's ok to joke about public figures behind their backs but not to their faces?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 07:55 AM
6

Actually FDS doesn't work at all. The men who it could work on are judged as low value. High value men cheat on FDS women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 06:57 AM
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Female PUA = FDS (although PUA and FDS hate each other) Female simps, cucks, betas = pickmes PUA and FDS are similar in maximizing the strategic sexual interests for their gender but their interests directly conflict. PUA seeks maximum sexual encounters with many high sexual market value females while FDS seeks maximum resource extracation from a single high marriage market value male.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 06:46 AM
3

Including public figures?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:01 AM
1

The material purpose of marriage is to commit to someone you love. It implies no financial obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 05:03 AM
1

What's the purpose of a secret bank account? If the spouse isn't listed on it then they can't access it. The only issue I see is coercion. If nobody knows about the bank account then if the owner dies the assets might eventually end up in a lost fund account and be expropriated by the state. Even if there is a beneficiary listed, the bank may not know the account owner died.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:46 AM
1

The whole purpose of a marriage is financial entanglement and splitting everything 50/50. That's an absurd statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:40 AM
1

They're on dating sites where I meet them... and fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 06:44 PM
3

You don't make the case for"pathetic" but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:04 AM
3

Winning the genetic lottery isn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:10 AM
1

I live in SEA almost entirely for women although the low cost of living is a huge bonus. It's the best thing I've ever done.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:03 AM
3

Why pathetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:01 AM
2

Yes that's the issue. Men don't complain about high standards necessarily but rather standards that lead to problems or are absurdly specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:47 AM
1

The first hurdle is the amount of bullshit, hoops, and resistance before sex. If no sex by the third date she's gone. Prove sexual productivity to know she's not a time-and-money-wasting foodie, friendzoner, gold digger, scam girl, prostitute, or other riff-raff or pond scum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:44 AM
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I bowed out and became a passport bro to be where age is just a number.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:27 AM
4

In my 20s I was attracted to women in their 40s. In my 40s I lost that attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:15 AM
3

The good men I know are repelled by women that young. In other words, "the extremely biased sample I used based on arbitrary criteria." Your criteria of a "good man" includes rejecting age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:53 PM
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That is the difference between a woman's sexual market value and her relationship market value. Guys love to fuck the neurotic and antisocial hot woman but won't wife her up. She's destined to be a bitter cat lady unless she lowers her standards enough. Of course, she won't acknowledge, let alone adjust expectations for, her insanity. She still thinks she deserves a high value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 06:19 AM
2

Oh you're right. The commenter who started this thread was whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:40 PM
1

Spin female deprecation then whine about male loyalty...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:16 PM
2

Women can get equals at the same age at the risk of lower loyalty. It's a tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:00 PM
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A 7 30yo M in 25 years will be an 8 to same age women and a 5 to women 25 years younger. A 7 30yo F in 25 years will be a 4 to same age men and a 3 to men 25 years younger. smart way to get unattractive man attractive gfs It's the loyalty tax women pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:15 AM
-2

That's the problem in the USA. And why passport bros exist. Asian women are wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 05:07 AM
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That's the result of female hypergamy. Men appreciate, women depreciate. If you want loyalty, commit to a man who will have the same SMV as you in 25 years. If you're a 30yo 7, marry a 30yo 4 or a 40yo 5. Unfortunately for women, attraction to a man and long-term loyalty from him are at odds. The more attractive a man is, the more options he has, and the less likely he is to value loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:58 AM
3

I see conservative men complaining far more than liberal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 01:30 AM
0

Driving a Toyota Prius vs a Ford F-250 speaks volumes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 01:20 AM
2

So are you advocating using older women as practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 09:50 PM
2

Move to Phillipines or Thailand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 04:24 AM
1

A man can generally have immediate sex with women three ranks below himself. 7 men can have immediate sex with 4 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:59 AM
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A man can generally have immediate sex with women three ranks below himself. 7 men can have immediate sex with 4 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:54 AM
3

I don't see what the problem is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 10:35 PM
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you never hear any "bros" talking about India or Africa or China. Actually you do, all the time, if you participate. I can't recite the issues with India and Africa without risking a racism ban (even if I'm just the messenger) but the problem with Chinese women is that they're in such sort supply that their standards are through the stratosohere. They practically demand audited financial statements just to grace a man's presence for a cup of coffee. Passport bros go to Thailand, Vietnam, and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 10:28 PM
3

The reason is that the technology isn't even close to ready. We don't have a material that can pass for human skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:27 AM
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Women aren't really offering that anymore, so this is an imperfect substitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:25 AM
3

But you ladies also tell men to just masturbate and leave women alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:23 AM
1

The typical American rejects content depicting Trump won 2020 (already made and laughed at in 2000 Mules) creationism (already made and laughed at in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed) climate change is bunk Jan 6 goons were just proud patriots manipulated by the FBI, CIA, BLM, and Antifa other batcrap crazy insane paranoid conspiracy theories Hollywood produces what's in demand. Both in the 1950s and 1980s Hollywood's content was much more conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:00 AM
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bitches about age gap relationships bitches about passport bros thinks male standards are misogynistic encyclopedic list of petty dealbreakers "mansplaining!" evidence of silly screening demanding expensive dates "the bar is on the floor!" FDS thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:32 AM
1

That doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:42 AM
7

Yet the warehouse guy earned far less than the cyber security guy who probably pays for your dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:37 AM
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I was on several asking that but I never used a SD site. It's been awhile though so I don't remember which ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:34 AM
1

Dating profiles ask for salary ranges on some sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:32 AM
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Yet the second guy who you are happy with also has a much higher income. The point didn't go over my head but rather you're deluding yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:31 AM
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In other words, higher income.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:11 AM
2

Have a man go one rank down on income in his dating profile and watch how many fewer matches he gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:09 AM
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They won't come to terms with it, they'll just become belligerent radfems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:07 AM
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You're paranoid
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:36 PM
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I put up with bullshit from very attractive women I won't tolerate from lesser women. Women below 6 are sexually invisible to me. For me, it works both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:00 PM
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Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:52 AM
2

Sex is no big deal unless you're not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:20 AM
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For the same reason women who claim to want to be chosen for personality go out dressed like sluts: advertising as a provider is a hook, resorted to because you'll do what is necessary to get needs satisfied. You actually answered your own question: it's an advertisement. Advertisements are designed to show something that satisfies a viewer's need (money, sex) with the advertiser's goal of obtaining something else (money, sex). Women advertise sex to get money, men advertise money to get sex. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:03 PM
1

Is "BPD" "bi-polar disorder" or "borderline personality disorder"? I think the latter but unsure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 09:50 PM
1

The place I grew up was similar and in the Bible Belt. My family was not Christian so I had a lonely childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:31 AM
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Approached by a guy she's not attracted to = he's a creep, she's a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:40 AM
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Even with hobbies, dudes will get accused of doing them just to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:31 AM
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You asked for a link to prove it. FDS meets your requirement although it goes without needing a link.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:25 PM
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I consider radfems the ideological opposites of MRAs. FDS is to RP like clits are to cocks, homologous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:22 PM
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You moved the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:14 PM
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Lol brilliant
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:50 PM
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FDS
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:20 PM
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It's coming from a man who's been raped, as a child at that. I'd rather be raped a thousand times than lose custody of my daughter. And no, it's a metaphor, not a descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:05 AM
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Getting financially cleaned out and losing custody of children is worse than rape. Regardless, it's a metaphor, It's not like saying taxation is slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:10 AM
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That's no reason to hate them though. They're infected with a mental virus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:32 AM
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All the comments were women saying stuff about how they would never be a forever girlfriend and I only date to marry and shit like that. Yup, required for divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:27 AM
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I suspect women cheat more because it's easier for them to cheat. Even ugly, old, obese women can have a guy over in a few minutes with a text message.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 12:45 AM
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You never mentioned your sex life. Men feel valued by their partners wanting sex. Men who feel devalued cheat or break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 12:41 AM
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Asking questions like that to find some asinine aspect in the response to twist and call the respondent a creep, abuser, misogynist, etc. Spinning what people say is a favorite feminist tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 12:29 AM
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What about men who do the same? They're gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 10:50 PM
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It's the ideology, not the people victimized by it. I don't hate Trump supporters, they're infected by a mental virus similar to modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 10:49 PM
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telling them as a whole That's called exercising free speech, if I understand what you mean by "as a whole" as mass communication. those who do will generally make it known. You're assuming an opt-in model from the women's perspective. That's not the way it works. It's an opt-out model. Older men have every right to make their wants known to individual women in public. There is no right to not to be approached in public. You apparently want some blanket protection to not be approached by older m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:06 AM
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bUt wOmeN ArE thE TaBLe!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:59 AM
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I'm saying nothing of the sort. Your definition of creepy is arbitrarily "whatever you don't like" and you assume that young women automatically want nothing to do romantically with older men. Now, if the older man continues pursuing after the younger woman rejects then that's an issue, but it's not age related. That's true of any age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:50 AM
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Badly? Hardly. Your value judgments are inane and irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:24 AM
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Sex once a month is a no-go no matter her other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:27 AM
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You're still competing, just not on a personal basis. Every relationship you're in removes someone from the dating pool and incrementally increases that person's SMV. That's competing. Let's say you're a 7. You have strengthened the case for your partner to pursue 7+ in the future. My first gf was a 9. After her, I only pursued 8+, even if it meant I was alone sometimes. That kept my market value higher as it provided feedback ("price discovery" in market terms). Otherwise i might have underpric…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:28 AM
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Well you wouldn't know unless you tried dating SEA men in SEA. I'm just the messenger though, I can't defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:15 AM
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I'm not interested in any more meta discussion. If you don't want to stay on topic then I'm ignoring further discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:55 AM
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Loaded question
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:33 AM
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Ok, whatever, if you don't want to participate in the discussion and want to layman psychoanalyze motives for raising the discussion then I'm not bothering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:12 AM
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Interesting perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:39 AM
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Well I've seen the comments. Granted, I didn't track them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:31 AM
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specifically asking how to alter what you provided That's not what you asked. You wanted to limit the audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:21 AM
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I didn't advocate it. I'm asking if anyone favors it. Many on this sub think AGRs should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:19 AM
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The point is, this restricts those age gaps more than currently,where an 18yo can consent to an 80yo. It sounds like if you don't get exactly the change you desire you would rather keep the status quo. What I provided was just an example. It sounds like you favor something like this: 18-25 two years 26+ unlimited
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:17 AM
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would suggest limiting yourself to asking only people that do actually support that kind of stepped AOC That's like asking Trump supporters if they will vote for Trump. lets slip in some pedo stuff and see if they go along". I changed the minimum age to 18 because of conniptions over a minor detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:13 AM
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I originally based it on age of consent at 16 in many states and Romeo and Juliette laws but since so many had conniptions over a minor detail I changed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:07 AM
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Oh for goodness sakes that's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:06 AM
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But some have explicitly advocatex outlawing age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:03 AM
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I changed the minimum age to 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:01 AM
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Just to flat out prevent large age-gap relationships? Why? Because so many women on this sub object to large age gaps and think they should be illegal. I'm making their objection concrete.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:55 AM
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I'm not. Most US states have an age of consent between 16 and 18 as well as Romeo and Juliet laws. Over the current situation, this proposal would restrict far more than permit. But the formula can be adjusted to start at 18, the point is the stepped AOC rather than the specifics of the calculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:52 AM
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What's gross about it? It restricts age of consent far more than now. I thought this would be anti-gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:38 AM
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You moved the goalposts. First you wrote "objective and observable", now you write, "not bad every time".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:37 AM
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You didn't get this post.. like, at all. This proposal would greatly restrict age gap relationships even with minors compared to the present because of Romeo and Juliet laws and some US states have age of consent as low as 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:35 AM
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Irrelevant question. There is no observable and objective harm in legal age gap relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:30 AM
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It's either legal or it's not. Your personal feelings are irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:20 AM
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Then there's nothing to complain about. I have seen arguments for a stepped AOC, like 16yo can pair with 20yos, 18yo can pair with 24yo, 20yo can pair with 28yo. 22-30, etc. I have mixed thoughts about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:48 AM
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Wasn't this posted a few months ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:42 AM
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True, but it's still a market with value since people compete for the similar partner attributes. Very few women seek poor short men and very few men seek obese old women. Obese old women pursue poor short men and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:40 AM
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Value is determined by the quality and quantity of romantic interest one can attract. Simple as that. The highest value women receive marriage proposals from the men that women clamor to marry. The highest value men receive offers of no-strings sex from those women. I know there's a chicken-and-egg problem in there, but it's a complex topic to work out. For women, the primary factors influencing this are Be HOT and don't be a BITCH. For men, it's Be TALL, RICH, CHARMING and don't be a PUSSY.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:34 AM
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Your conception of "gross" is utterly irrelevant. It's either legal or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:13 AM
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I'd like to hear female perspective on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:57 PM
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You're gender reversing a typical female talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:54 PM
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Based on what I've heard dating Southeast Asian women who say age is just a number, younger guys are hotter, but younger men when compared to older men orgasm too quickly act childish look less masculine can't afford basic dates give poor advice have no interesting stories to tell spin plates
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:51 PM
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In other words, the truth hurts, although the hottest age is a few years after the minimum age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:37 PM
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That puts her above 99% of all chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:35 PM
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It's women who refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:33 PM
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It's women who refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:33 PM
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The post says younger women, not children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:32 PM
-1

Do you want to raise the age of consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:31 PM
-2

Do you want to raise the age of consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:31 PM
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Don't compete for female affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:05 PM
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An average height white guy is tall to them. Even shorter guts can have success because the average Vietnamese height is about 4" shorter than the average white height.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:00 PM
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Sexual desire for men is nakedness, sexual desire for women is emptiness. Orgasm for men is local, orgasm for women is global.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:19 PM
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Yes, although the impact is far less than having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:40 AM
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Which doesn't imply the divorce was her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:40 AM
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Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:08 AM
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Doesn't make sense to buy an old Chevrolet unless you're committed to driving that car until it conks out and shelling out the money to fix the issues it's inevitably going to have. You still need something to drive. And yes, it does make sense to sell it before it conks out, it still has market value. Analogously for relationships, guys still need companionship, even if it's not the quality they hope for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:54 PM
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Which is a reason why I get in serial LTRs. I wouldn't get married anyway because of divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:45 PM
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Not quite. I'm not placing a scientific veneer on it. Using your standard, your radfem ideology is pseudoscience as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:43 PM
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Yes. Their list is subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:40 PM
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Ah ok we agree
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:40 PM
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Whenever women friendzone, they're implementing their encyclopedic list. They just don't admit it. You have one too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:44 PM
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And unfortunately quite numerous, even if not explicit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:26 PM
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Graduated AT LEAST a year ago. She doesn't want a recent graduate. That part is not too unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:25 PM
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I may want to own a new Ferrari but I'll rent an old Chevrolet until I can buy the Ferrari.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:23 PM
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FDS got banned then reborn as a mere automated posting forum, only posting links to the FDS website. I liked the old FDS, it provided endless counter-examples to militant radfems' batshit crazy insane arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:15 PM
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With the exception of esoteric sexual preferences, any relationship involving a middle or lower market value partner involves settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:12 PM
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You ain't seen nuthin! <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:02 PM
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The list is typical. Most women just aren't explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:58 PM
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Most women can find attractive men for sex. Committed relationships are another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:47 PM
2

At least you acknowledge the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:44 PM
4

In that context, just the fact that a woman is over 30 (post-wall) still makes her much less attractive. Even if she's aging well, for men it's like buying goods just before the expiration date. The available time to enjoy her remaining beauty is short and it's only downhill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:38 PM
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Dude, you're practically next to the best source of quality women in the world, Southeast Asia. Join Pinalove, filter out the numerous fatties, buy a ticket to Manila, and revel in your masculinity. Just don't ever mention or admit you have a menu of options, they hate that. They each must think they're the only girl you're visiting. It's a different dating psychology, based on toxic monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:32 PM
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failed marriages weren’t their fault. So not all of those women are crazy Even if the divorce wasn't their fault, the divorce still makes them crazy. Frankly, I'd prefer a divorced partner who admits it's their fault, they are humbled by the experience of their bad behavior and choices instead of being bitter and jaded about the bad marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:24 PM
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age over 30: less attractive craziness: less attractive widowhood: less attractive advanced education: irrelevant on average health issues: less attractive family baggage: less attractive work addict: less attractive extreme religious beliefs: less attractive pickiness: less attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:16 PM
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You are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:08 PM
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Simply put, women have no experience regulating the violent and risk-taking impulses of testosterone. It's as much of a mystery to women as the whole-body, lympahtic-level female orgasm is to men. Young males without older dominant male figures have extended neotenus periods. Women, even boss babe women, don't command the respect necessary for young males to admire and view as role models, nor the wisdom of years of dealing with testosterone imbuement. I wish I could cite it, but I've searched f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:05 PM
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Facial hair appears shortly after reproductive capability commences. Its presence advertises fertility. It's certainly more accurate than rites of passage. Pubic hair is even more accurate. You seem to think I'm comparing facial hair to menarche. I'm not. I'm addressing the commenter's observations about rites of passage being necessary in males but not females.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:41 PM
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there are a multitude of reasons a woman can be attractive and single in her 30s You didn't identify a single one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:19 PM
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Say it from the rooftops: BECOME A PASSPORT BRO. I literally, right now, have a beautiful, feminine, sweet, slender, appreciative Vietnamese woman sleeping next to me who fucked me three times yesterday, and twice she initiated. And no I'm NOT paying her. I'm about to wake her up for sex again. I felt like you from my divorce in 2013 until travelling to Vietnam in 2017. Western women are a lost cause, feminism destroyed the dating market. There's vastly superior alternatives to Western women's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:17 PM
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The ONLY way that happens is for a young male to have a strong, mature, wise male figure in his life who he admires and dominates him. Think about the implications for women having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:30 PM
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Facial hair provides a marker of fertility in males.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:21 PM
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Women don't emotionally mature faster than men. Men tolerate immature behavior in women but not vice-versa. Women also tend to become bitter and jaded with maturity, which is a huge turnoff for men, whereas it's usually the opposite with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:14 PM
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Generally yes. They don't find Asian men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:50 PM
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That means she settled for her marriage market value, probably a LVW. Women can always find much higher value men to fuck them than commit to them, and can always find much higher value men to commit to them than to marry them. Male market value is determined by the females they can easily fuck, while female market value is determined by the males they can with difficulty marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:37 PM
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Presumably he's here for the same reason nasty, misandric, militant radfems are on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:25 PM
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Chad gets the option of the non-commit lifestyle. These women are holding the unwashed mases at bay, treating them as undifferentiated commodities and giving excuses, and selecting a few to ward off sexual urges while imagining their temporary sex partner is a Chad. They're waiting for a committal Chad though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:20 PM
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What I'm saying is, the OP receives these excuses because he's not a Chad. Chad receives relationships as desired rather than excuses. Women say "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" to lesser men then a short time later are in a relationship when Chad is ready, willing, and able.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 10:57 PM
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You're saying the OP is a Chad? I don't see that upon re-reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 10:45 PM
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Southeast Asian women: Thais, Vietnamese, and Filipinos. I routinely date with multi-decade age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:35 PM
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I don't choose them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:23 PM
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Women having their own income only makes their financial demands higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:20 PM
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They're giving you excuses while waiting for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:10 PM
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FDS got shut down a couple years ago. I'll look up Diabla
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:32 AM
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And you go tell all the foodies, friendzoners, and other riffraff and pond scum to stop begging for money and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:45 PM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:36 PM
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The problem is, below average women compete with masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:31 PM
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(women) They're just looking for an ATM to drain. Any ATM will do, thats’s not a surprise. There’s nothing noble about it, it’s just nasty. Then women have the audacity to act like men should open their wallets for their advances like it’s something to be proud of. A woman wanting to sleep with you for free food is a supreme insult. It’s about as precious as a homeless bum giving you chewed up gum they found off the sidewalk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:22 PM
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Move to the Phillipines. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:19 AM
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I once had a woman go apeshit on me for daring to talk to her while making rounds at a fucking holiday party.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:16 AM
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You didn't prove your point. You contradicted it. "Most" is "over 50%". 1/6 is just around 17%.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:38 PM
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It doesn't say "most" men it says one-in-six men. It has a flawbecause the age of consent is 16 but they used the cutoff date of 18. Also, it makes no connection between those 1/6 of men and attraction to young but legal women. That part you're making up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 02:37 PM
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That's what she gets for chasing men out of her league. Who wants to be with an alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 06:24 AM
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That's what she gets for chasing men out of her league. Who wants to be with an alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:48 AM
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Yeah right. TVs are ever increasing in price, right? Last year I bought a 42" 4K TV for $250. In 1997 the first 42" from Fujitsu cost $15000 and was much thicker, heavier, had a short life (plasma) and only 852x480 resolution. I can buy a cell phone for under $100 now that is superior to the best phones available five years ago. Automobiles have been getting more expensive but that's because they're getting loaded with safety, efficiency, and environmental features that can't drop in price. A ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:29 AM
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Competition. But eventually home-based machines will construct robots and anything else desired on demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:11 AM
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What "risks and consequences"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:07 AM
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Not naivety, just not bitter and jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:04 AM
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Mid-20s is between age of majority and menopause. Nothing else is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:03 AM
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You're in the life stage of the age of majority (18 in USA) to menopause (~50). No other factors are particularly relevant, although some may add the wall (~30). There are only four life stages: birth, puberty, majority, and menopause. The rest is fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:02 AM
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That's absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:55 AM
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That's like asking which professional cosmologists agree with the big bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:31 AM
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You have got to be joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 01:01 AM
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In other words, you think you know better than professional archaeologists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 01:00 AM
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You're assuming the kids keep their parents' values.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:47 AM
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No, the pushback is that 1) Women are blatantly hypocritical. She can diss men for being short, but when she's dissed for being fat her life is "ruined". 2) Women have standards, men have misogyny. The woman who said the guy should feel like a piece of shit didn't say anything about what the OP said. It's ok to blast short men (which men can't control) but how dare a man blast a fat woman (which women can control).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:12 PM
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I wouldn't say that not having a beard resembles children. Well it does, since children can't grow beards. Not projecting anything, it's just what it is. Yes, you are projecting. You're assuming the way you think is how others think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:05 PM
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1st it resembles children So does shaving. I can't grow a beard. I guess all my lovers have been pedos. You're essentially saying that small, petite women are unlovable. 2nd most men want that for the same reason I do, i can do whatever I want to them Don't project your predatory behavior on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:00 PM
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I have no idea how that's "predatory".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:38 PM
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Which specific male standards are predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:37 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:34 PM
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Not necessarily. We may cure aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:16 PM
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SCENARIO 1 Men will be happily dating hyper-realistic, superhumanly beautiful and sexually skilled robots that provide peace at home. Some women will be reluctantly dating similar male robots, but since robots don't provide resources to extract, dating will be less fulfilling than for men. SCENARIO 2 There is no dating market because we will either eliminate sex drives as an unnecessary burden (it's like drug addiction in some ways) SCENARIO 3 We will be able to activate the pleasure centers of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:15 PM
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This is like asking, "does a racial bigot make the best friend to the races they despise?" Would a frothing MAGA clown make the best friend to a Muslim, illegal immigrant, atheist, public school teacher, socialist, environmentalist, or Democrat? All are on the verge of being included in some asinine conspiracy theory or death threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:55 PM
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There is no cruel twist of fate in all of western history where a woman was capable of being a housewife but incapable of being a maid or laundress or seamstress or cook or scullery maid or nanny. Correct, it's a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. That concept seems to be lost on you. It's like considering if an unstoppable force pushes an immovable object. It is OP who said being a housewife was “exchanging your body for money”. I don’t share that view, and yet you’re still blathering on about some nonsen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:43 PM
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IF your only option is by a "cruel twist of fate", i.e., in a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. That in no way implies that's the OP's view of housewives. That part you're making up. It's your reading comprehension that's the problem. You read stuff and surmise misogynistic intent without evidence. It's a typical thought pattern of feminist indoctrination.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:32 PM
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OK OP, I'll spell it out for you: Vaginal quality differs greatly, as does sexual skill. Although there's outward signs, until a guy has sex with a girl, he can't know her vaginal quality or skill. Fat girls usually have fat in their vaginas and which destroys the sexual experience. Sex with fat girls or those with sub-par weak vaginas is worse than masturbation more often than not. I've had sex with normal weight girls who I couldn't cum inside, no matter how hard I tried, because their vaginal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:16 PM
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It has zero to do with misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:53 AM
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t’s very clear he thinks there is only only qualification necessary for being a housewife : having a pussy, and nothing else matters. No, it's not. You're reading into what's not there. Again, feminist indoctrination leads to this style of thinking, always looking for grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:46 AM
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No, it's not obvious, you're inserting what you want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:53 AM
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That's the problem. It's not a basis of comparison. The OP only asked if women could only choose one or the other, which would they choose? Your feminist indoctrination demands you see more there than exists and get all pissed off about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:33 AM
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Your first sentence is incoherent. yet your not answering a question where your view and others was invited. Nor was yours invited: the OP did not ask for your opinion about why he asked the question, but you proceeded to provide it anyway. In any event, open debates don't require "invitations". This isn't a safe space, whatever you write can be commented on by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:03 AM
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But it's OK for you to put words in mine, odd that? I did nothing of the sort. I pointed out the cognitive flaw: you start with the premise and find a baseless accusation for it. You were trying to call into question my character. And another typical feminist tactic, when challenged, call it a character attack. It's another common avoidance tactic like claiming "mansplaining". You decided to insert yourself into another debate This is an open debate. There is no segregation like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:52 AM
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Why is it projection insecurity when a woman makes a judgment call and not a man? You put words in my mouth. The issue is, feminism has indoctrinated women to twist what men say into an imagined assault on women. You're projecting EXACTLY the foregone conclusion of the constructed reality you wish to be true. It is similar to flat Earthers who think there's a conspiracy when presented with pictures of half-visible distant mountains across the ocean, creationists who think evil atheists conduct s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:38 AM
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Of course. Woman gets married, gets divorced, takes everything, rinse, repeat. Serial SAHW is a highly profitable career.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 11:22 PM
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Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:56 PM
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So yeah, it is indeed OP who thinks stay at home wives don’t bring anything of value to the table except pussy. No. Not one thing supports that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:54 PM
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Of course you think it, it's your indoctrination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:52 PM
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They’re openly saying they consider a housewife and mother to be a sex worker whose contract you can buy. Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:51 PM
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Your projection is the only thing obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:50 PM
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As usual, a woman think she's being clever by projecting her insecurities into whatever men say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:50 PM
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For the typical reason: While Theron isn't shying away from dating, she has standards for her suitors. "I feel like I'm in a place in my life where you gotta come with a lot of game. Not the kind of game that we think of, the kind of game that's like, my life is really good, so you better be able to bring that and maybe better," she explained. "'Cause I just won't accept anything less." Theron noted that her standards are so high because of her life with her kids -- Jackson, 8, and August, 5 -- …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:22 PM
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Actually no, to keep society going for a couple decades at least the family men in critical industries must feel their children are safe during work hours. During the pandemic people screamed for childcare, which is fulfilled by teachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:14 PM
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If food is the only reason she's meeting then it's a waste of time. Men have better things to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:02 AM
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Traditional men wouldn't tolerate foodie parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:53 AM
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Oh she's Ukrainian. An American woman would laugh at a man who did that even while pining about it as a plot element in some vapid romantic comedy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/24 02:25 AM
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Why did she pick you?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/24 01:45 AM
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Hint: if a guy gives you tingles, he is unlikely to be a keeper. The guys that treat you well are mostly invisible to you, and you will lose interest in the rare guy who gives you tingles and treats you well.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/24 12:50 AM
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Going back to the comment that started this, it only says that children are reminders that a woman was CPed. I guess I see your point. The real issue is that men don't want to support other men's children, not that the mother is, well, a mother, which normally requires a CP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 08:24 PM
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I'm referring to the situation where one can find a partner with a normal amount of effort. It's like trying to sell something above or buy something below market price: one may be successful but usually with a great amount of effort. Some guys are into obese women, but the number of them are few, and for obese women to land guys significantly above their SMV they must usually exert tremendous effort or be extremely lucky. You can try to complicate the situation all you wish with different taste…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:11 PM
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It can't apply to my mother. She's not trying to land a man to support her children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:39 PM
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This is correct. It's called "paternity by estoppel".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:29 PM
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I'm not trying to sleep with my mother either. Again, what is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:26 PM
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Your point being what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:41 PM
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Women can always find a higher value men to fuck them than to commit to them. Men generally can't do similar with women. That's the real problem. A SMV 6 girl in her prime can ride a carousel of SMV 9 men but never get the commitment she craves. For commitment she must drop back to SMV 6 men. Unfortunately for her, by the time reality hits her SMV has dropped further and her pickings are slim. Women fall into the trap of thinking their SMV is dictated by the men willing to fuck them. That's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:32 PM
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Buttpull statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:24 PM
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Men are willing to spend $30 but modern women use dates as free food. I have much better results with coffee first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:17 PM
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Being "picky" by attraction to the dark triad is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:14 PM
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Women have standards, men have misogyny. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:41 AM
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No, its only a self-comparison of physical potential over time. The physical potential of that hot 30yo was greater at 20yo than now. Her comparison to any other woman is irrelevant. That hot 30yo possibly being fat at 20yo is also irrelevant. Likewise, personality and style changing over time is again irrelevant. In her late 60s, Christie Brinkley remains hotter than many ugly, obese 20 year olds. That doesn't mean Brinkley remains in her prime. She was far hotter at 20 than now. Even if she ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:33 PM
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You are correct but the hot 30 yo still isn't in her prime anymore. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:24 PM
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The EU is still Western and overrun by feminists. I was thinking mostly of Southeast Asia, where I am now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:22 PM
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Very few men have careers enabling them to live overseas. Most medical fields for example cannot work remotely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:34 AM
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You're right, but the attractive 30yo still isn't in her prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:33 AM
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Prime is not relative nor is it about current circumstances; it's about potential. A fat 20 yo who loses weight in her 30s is not in her prime, she just wasted her prime. Early 20s is prime. Period. The fat 20yo was potentially at her most attractive. Nothing changes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:29 AM
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I also live in Phils with a generous income and live-in girlfriend. It's a nice life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:21 AM
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I need to find a venue where it gets more attention. I posted it on PPD and got a week ban for my trouble.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/24 02:56 AM
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Here's a primary example. <image> Women gleefully diss short or poor men but when men say obesity is unacceptable they get called misogynists not accepting body positivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:00 PM
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Male sex bots are DOA because they don't possess resources to extract.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:24 PM
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Consider a skilled trade or 2 year medical technology program rather than academics. Most academic fields may be consumed by AI by the time you graduate anyway. If you move, you'll need to live there for a year before obtaining in-state tuition rates. You're overthinking the nepotism situation. My advice is to get some credential quickly, even a paralegal, nursing assistant, truck driver, law enforcement officer (they'll train you for free), or EMT. Move out of your father's house and maybe swit…
/r/TheRedPill10/01/24 05:06 PM
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I googled that word and only received a few dozen hits, mostly as social media account names. Methinks you concocted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:27 PM
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You call yourself a "radfem", short for "radical feminist". "Toxic masculinity" doesn't refer to being "masculine", it refers to being "masculinist". "Toxic femininity" corresponds to "feminist".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:00 PM
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Toxic feminity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:52 PM
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Two primary types of toxic femininity: 1) resource extractors such as FDS 2) misandrists such as radical feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:49 PM
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In general, mental instability and promiscuity are positively correlated, especially so after filtering out the FDS types of mentally unstable. So for men, after proper filtering, mentally unstable women are low-investment. The unseen risks however can be quite high after breakup, such as stalking, false rape accusations, social media harassment, and rumor spreading. This is a reason to get confirmation of consent by text message, taking women to hotels so they don't easily know your home addres…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:47 PM
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Not "obvious nonsense" you just twist things around to fit your narrative. Canadian Independent: insufficient information, I don't know German Gates of Vienna: non-credible source
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 09:40 PM
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The word "vaccine" doesn't appear in that article, it claims 20% rather than 1000%, and claims the cause is NHS failings. Do you even cursorily scan this stuff before posting or just blindly copy-paste? It doesn't contradict jack shit.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 04:37 PM
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I explain it by stating it didn't happen. You're regurgitating false statistics that I think originally came from an Expose article. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/23/fact-check-false-claim-covid-19-vaccines-have-caused-118-000-deaths-uk-kids-england-sean-feucht/10997754002/ You seem to be the type that's immune to evidence, so you'll probably pass the link off as part of a government conspiracy.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 04:08 PM
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All these sources are non-credible, just typical kooks and crackpots droning on about inane conspiracy theories. The only acceptable evidence is in scientific journals. When you have supporting evidence in The Lancet, Nature, Science, or mainline medical journals then you might have something. Otherwise you're a useful idiot regurgitating propaganda.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 11:09 AM
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Unvaxxed pureblood - for ovaries uncorrupted by mRNA Idiot. It's a shame so many redpillers are drawn in by paranoid conspiracy theories.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 09:35 AM
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Yup. They make it impossible to meet anyone then say "incel" for not meeting anyone.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 09:06 AM
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She was so drunk she passed out a few minutes later. I'm not sure 'sick predator' is a apt description.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/10/23 02:22 AM
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Thanks for the encouragement. I wasn't prepared for the negative comments, I thought this was a good satire of a position TRP opposes.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/23 11:13 AM
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r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:17 PM
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<image> This is typical, not exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:47 PM
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I got a much different impression than you OP. The first half of the video was ok, a little awkward, but not crossing the line. Then, he keeps talking to her. It was more than "apologizes and leaves".That second part was the creep part.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:17 PM
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I am not even particularly interested in romantic relationships with men, I solely want a relationship because I want to be a mother So if I understand this in context with your previous comment, you like sex and want to be a mother but only want the relationship part to provide a two-parent household. Then you write If I don’t find someone of a highcalbre to take on that task I have other avenues that I have already accounted for. So your situation is quite unique. Ultimately you only require a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:37 PM
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Yes there is, women want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:20 PM
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Did you know him for years? Are there any men you were in a relationship with you've known for years? Are there other men for you to date if this relationship ends?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:17 PM
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This strategy takes too long and smarter women will scoop up the men you're attracted to in the meantime. How old are you, how long have you applied this strategy, and how many relationships have you had as a result of this dtrategy? Dating is a numbers game and the number of men you want to date who are available for years like that is vanishingly small. I suspect you have a low sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:07 PM
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She's not looking for sex in a relationship... until later she meets a "Greek God of a man." <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:15 AM
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That's not what happens. If you fuck a guy and then he doesn't stick around it's because you gave him a sub-par experience. Women don't like to think that, so they start this "he was only looking for sex" stuff. Granted, some RP dudes DO think that way, but you have no defense against that, similarly to men have no defense against FDS manipulators.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:02 AM
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That's like telling a poor person sick of eating oatmeal that they should just buy some steaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:58 AM
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Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:46 AM
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the first date usually occurs at least a month after meeting and getting to know him You've met him but don't count that as a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:37 AM
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This is The Way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:35 AM
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Relationship guys aren’t being held to a different standard. Women are allowed to Protect their hearts by not jumping in bed with someone they want a relationship with right away Contradiction
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:26 AM
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This is absurd. One guy gets the sex, the other doesn't. It's not egocentric or strange, it's reality. Denying sex doesn't "nourish" a LTR, that's delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:25 AM
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No it's not. Women will do that then have sex with another guy the next day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:21 AM
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If you're ever a single mother your motivation to AFBB skyrockets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:46 AM
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Blurred lines. Humans will be physically merging with robots and AI anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:49 AM
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When a guy can get perfect sex, with a vagina that adapts to optimally shape around his penis, it will be more than entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:17 AM
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If in America, it's real, because American women are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:49 PM
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No, it still happens. Three times in my life I was casually talking to women about something innocuous and they completely flip out on me. One was at a party when I was making the rounds and I was asked never to participate in that group again. I never even hinted at sex. Then there's women like this: https://youtu.be/5MVyQNNFobA?si=Swgwwg7vsgk-xWW5
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:43 PM
2

I'm aware of that. It makes little difference though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:17 PM
4

Right; men do the equivalent by ignoring unattractive women and giving attractive women attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:09 PM
3

No it's not. She complains to management, your membership gets revoked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:57 PM
4

Yes and as a guy old and fat women are sexually invisible to me. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:53 PM
6

Why would you even date someone who you don't know??? Why don't they just go hiking with this women a few times, then let it escalate? I joined a hiking meetup. Most of the women I wanted to date appeared once and never again. You have to shoot your shot when the opportunity arises.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:51 PM
3

Works great until it blows up in your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:48 PM
2

Not quite. You don't get kicked off the (public) street for hitting on women, unlike the gym where your membership can be revoked if some crazy woman calls you a "creep".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:48 PM
1

In other words, it's none of your business. If you don't want to be around them then don't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:47 PM
0

No, you're misinterpreting. It means no sex is tantamount to lack of attraction. I'm not wasting time on women who won't demonstrate they're attracted. I don't really care in that case if they're attracted or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:54 AM
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If the matchmaking service could scan my brain to profile my ideal partner, then do the same for potential partners to find the best match, and the service was reliable and an auditable history of 90% or more satisfied couples who had been together a couple decades, I might do it. If it's just typical matchmaker bullshit using pseudoscientific personality inventories, not a chance in hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:21 AM
3

Men fear rejection at best and false rape accusations at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:27 AM
1

Do you understand the word "tantamount"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:42 AM
0

Then they're a waste of time, like the borrower who claims 100k of income but refuses to provide documentation. Refusing sex is tantamount to saying they're not attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:32 AM
0

You don't know what you're talking about, racist. About half of Vietnamese women date foreign men for financial gain, about the same as Western women. The other half of Vietnamese women date foreign men because they find Vietnamese men unattractive. The last time I repeated what Vietnamese women find unattractive in Vietnamese men I got a temporary ban. White guys get a +3 SMV boost regardless of income. Even the broke backpackers can slay. As well, age is just a number here, so middle aged guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:18 AM
1

Ok, bad boys then. Same story, different labels.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:34 PM
1

In other words, you rode the alpha cock carousel in your prime and now that you're either approaching, hit, or are past the wall you're being more demanding of Beta Billies since Chads ignore you now. This is a classic red pill scenario. It's entirely about compatibility. If the hotter guys you used to get were still available you'd be dropping your pants in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:25 PM
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Amazing how you twist that into "vulnerability". Women make the insult then blame the man for it. Never responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:57 PM
0

I guess I'm spoiled living in the Phillipines where, if I have sex with a woman, it's almost always on the first date. But, I don't care about N-counts, I have more fun with experienced girls and would certainly wife the right one up. I've had sex with four virgins and it was never pleasant. or she doesn't want him to think she sleeps with every guy on a first date Then she's insulting every man who doesn't get first date sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:46 PM
3

One of the worst dates I ever had was with a woman I'm fairly certain was autistic. It took her ten seconds to reply to anything, she discussed the most boring things possible (she went at length about the oddity of the rim of her coffee cup) and she wanted me to be her "virtual boyfriend" who would never meet again but talk constantly and exclusively by text message (not even audio or video). Oh, and I couldn't talk with, meet, or fuck other girls. SHE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD DEAL FOR …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:47 PM
1

They're not attracted to the toys, are they? So it's not a perfect relationship. It's no relationship at all. Autoeroticism is irrelevant to the discussion. Often having sex just means someone is drunk or horny or whatever and doesn't actually care about the other person at all I'm sorry to say. Ok, I'll grant you that. I knew a religious nutjob girl in high school who got drunk and lost her virginity in a parking lot while dozens of her schoolmates were taking pictures. Needless to say, she alm…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:21 PM
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women do it with toys all the time and Because there's no men available they are attracted (or attracted to them). What is your point? many people just aren't comfortable with sex in all situations. Actually caring for someone indicates attraction. Lack of sex doesn't necessarily mean lack of attraction, but having sex almost always means attraction exists. It's like going to get a loan: one person says they make $100k but refuses to provide documentation, another says they make the same income …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:01 PM
2

Depends on the woman. Some are more financially driven, others are more sexually driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:55 PM
6

Emotional, temporal, and financial extraction. Free meals, compliments, entertainment, gifts, emotional support, and other things desperate betas Billys do to fruitlessly land a bedding. Smart men won't expend resources until a woman proves sexual productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:17 PM
2

Why is that a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:37 PM
4

Actually men do have relationship power, once a woman is interested. The woman keeps the outer gate and the man keeps the inner gate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:20 PM
3

A dead bedroom relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:16 PM
17

Essex women are right. Female sexual receptivity is the primary determinant of her attraction. Saying "I like (or love) you" is cheap; cumming on a dude's cock almost certainly demonstrates attraction. Deeds, not words. Put your pussy where your mouth is...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:58 PM
-1

That's only true for a man with lower market value than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:53 PM
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No, it's because the demand for women vastly outstrips the supply of women willing to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:47 PM
2

Marry the highest value man obtainable as soon as possible, and if I want children, have them as soon as possible. I'd have easy sex with only if they respect the "She Comes First" principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:00 PM
4

Would you rather be with the guy that all the women want or be with the guy that no woman wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:46 AM
6

Yes and women lie to get relationships. Both genders lie to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:46 AM
3

Men who get sex easily are the same for us as women who put out are to men — undateable I get first date sex all the time. Telling them relationships take time to build pisses them off and they leave. So much impatience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:45 AM
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I agree, that slight bit was an exaggeration. But the point remains, women will say they're not into sex - until they meet a hot guy and suddenly their vaggies swamp out. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:42 AM
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Most women quit dating apps because the attractive ones get demands for sex or nudes while the ugly ones get bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:34 AM
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When a guy holds off on sex, it's because he fears creeping the girl out. When a girl holds off on sex, it's because he's not attractive enough. Either way, it's about her, not him. There's no inconsistency. If a girl a guy is serious about indicates she wants sex, he'll instantly oblige.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:32 AM
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it’s cause she was soo instantly attracted him, she couldn’t control herself. When she makes a guy wait, it’s cause she’s not that attracted to him but thinks she can use him for “resources” and maybe occasionally sex And those guys are 100% right. these guys believe if she’s making you wait for sex, she’s either trying to use you or just not really into you Ditto
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:20 AM
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Yet when women act like "terrible pieces of shit" like Female Dating Strategy, radical feminism, or having ridiculous "standards" and thinking 90% of men are below average, that's completely acceptable to you. It's ok for women to disdain short or poor men, but God help us if men disdain fat women or seek age gaps. Women have standards, men have misogyny. And yes, women DO choose their behavior. Act like a bitch, get treated like a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:09 AM
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I don't see the inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:18 AM
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It can be in certain circumstances because it hints that a hotter woman might want them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:29 AM
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Yes. In general, don't compliment men unless you're DTF. Men are mostly indifferent to platonic compliments anyway. "Oh, you like my shirt (but not my dick)? That's nice - quit wasting sound energy."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:27 AM
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Men generally care little about compliments unless it's from someone who has authority over them, wants to fuck them, or it's somehow tied to their ability to provide (like a sports car, large fancy home, or work product). although it depends on the man's vanity and maturity. Women should avoid complimenting men on appearance unless they're DTF.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:14 AM
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Lol seriously? You equate being wanted heterosexually with being wanted homosexually ? You're nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:02 AM
1

I think it's sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:48 PM
1

That's true until sexbots are better than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:07 AM
1

AI is first generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 08:58 PM
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If I had my pick of 168m American women, there'd be no problem. Unfortunately I compete with approximately 168m American men for the few million desirable American women. Or, I can go to Southeast Asia, where there's about twenty desirable, non-gold-digging, non-prudish women seeking Western men per Western man. It's simple math. I spend a year on four American dating sites for a few dates with LVW per year, or I can spend one day on a SEA site and book dates with a different woman every day for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:15 AM
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It does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:41 AM
-1

Oh there's definitely healthy, sane American women but they have dozens of dudes orbiting them so they have impossibly high standards. It's not a fetish. I simply offer supply where demand exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:34 AM
2

Those were just examples. The last one took. I'm sure there's other topics women tend to talk about that you can't stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:24 AM
2

Do you care when women drone on about cosmetics, chick flix, or astrology? My reaction is like a cat falling into water.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:16 AM
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I went overseas because American women are fat, obnoxious, and abhor age gaps. I could have old, disgusting, American fat-nasties queued up outside my door if I lowered my standards but my hand provides more satisfaction. Instead. I date thin, young, beautiful Asian women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:14 AM
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Whatever two sides existed were debated and decided in professional journals, not by scientific illiterates bamboozled by propaganda. A four-year-old insisting the Moon follows them is not a "side".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:45 PM
1

Your second paragraph seems to contradict your first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:07 PM
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Concerning covid, there are no two sides. Just science, and oblivion. Kooks and loons try to create a second side but they're politicizing science. We see similar with evolutionary biology, climatology, cosmology, psychology, and economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:05 PM
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Yup. That's why I left the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:52 PM
2

Yes, that's what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:42 PM
3

Men willing to financially support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 06:01 PM
1

No they didn't in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:59 PM
3

Lol attractive women can always find hosts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:57 PM
1

No, before the twentieth century it was pretty fixed. Some hunter-gatherer societies were matriarchal but that doesn't mean women pursued men, unless they were Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:51 PM
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No, they can find guys willing to support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:47 PM
1

Humans are primates, which are animals. The sexual instinct remains intact. Only in the past century has there been significant disruption to traditional gender roles. I'm not criticizing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:42 PM
3

A job is the most difficult means to extract resources per unit of effort. Attractive women never need education or work if they don't desire it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:39 PM
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Those comments were by dudes dictating what women should want. It's silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:33 PM
1

Biased sample
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:30 PM
1

He could be getting it from the full text if he has access to it, but the study is 53 years old. I would ignore this citation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:28 PM
1

He could be getting it from the full text if he has access to it, but the study is 53 years old. I would ignore this citation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:28 PM
1

My ex wife was sexually aroused by men giving off that "wise grandpa" aura. She didn't care about obesity or hair loss. I doubt she would have married a much older man but she might have had a fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:20 PM
1

I hope to be banging 20yos when I'm 70.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:18 PM
2

As a man, I want other men to sell themselves for a discount price. There's less competition for the top women that way. The more gays, MGTOWs, transwomen, BBW lovers, single mom magnets, or asexual men, the better for me. The dating market doesn't quite work the way you're thinking. A man settling for LVW increases my chances of scoring what I seek rather than decreasing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:14 PM
1

It's not that single mothers are inherently less attractive but rather that pregnancy makes the female body less attractive and the effects after birth are difficult to reverse without intensive exercise and diet regimentation. This applies to all mothers, but non-single mothers are presumably off the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:07 PM
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Why do you think emotional damage would result?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:45 PM
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With cheated on or the father died, they chose to have children knowing the father might not be around. Choosing to have children is choosing to be a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:34 PM
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I think that would be true if the AI provided pushback, like a realistic simulation rather than trying to be the perfect companion. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard heavy porn use makes men unrealistically demanding. AI could do far worse if the porn-causes-unrealistic-expectations phenomenon is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:51 PM
0

It's nature not nurture. Males in an overwhelming proportion of species are pursuers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:00 PM
1

You said earlier that you're an undesirable male. I think the real reason you don't have a competitive personality is because you don't have enough to offer to be competitive. If you constantly lose you eventually give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:54 PM
2

That's true, because women can't extract resources or gain status from "an object, computer programme, picture, or anything else".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:50 PM
2

Well, ok, to put it differently, they won't go Elliot Rodger or Alek Minassian anymore and sexual harassment by them will decline. There's no reason to be told to "stay in your lane" when you don't need to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:48 PM
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AI is on an exponential growth curve. If it were linear I would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:33 PM
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Robots will be child caregivers too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:11 PM
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AI boyfriends don't confer status, enable hypergamy, or provide resources to extract.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:07 PM
1

I doubt it now, but it will become more significant as technology improves. AI partners will mostly appeal to incels and men with unattractive partners until sexbots become reality. Shortly after that, real sex will become history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:57 AM
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Asexual and LGBT couples have nearly 100% planned families. I have no doubt about their quality of parenting but as people enjoy affluence, which will explode with robots, the desire for children diminishes. Few want to bother with the hassles, responsibilities, and legal liabilities of parenting when nearly infinite material pleasures await, including sex with the partner of your dreams on tap. One could even have robotic children to engage the parental instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:52 AM
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Different I guess. Nothing I can't blow a load in appeals to me. It's trivial to find flesh-and-blood girls only wanting to endlessly chat, but what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:55 AM
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Indeed, but when robots surpass women in ability to sexually satisfy, it's all over for natural human reproduction. I suspect the population will collapse as parenting becomes increasingly less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:46 AM
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I kinda agree with you. ChatGPT only came online a year ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 08:33 AM
2

You're the one that's criticizing others. Do you even think before you write?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 06:44 AM
2

Again, beside the point. You're taking the analogy out of bounds. But anyway, people die in prison from violence, inadequate healthcare, and premature aging from stress This is a dumb argument. No analogy is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:23 AM
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Beside the point. And yes, prison does kill people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:13 AM
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No doubt that it's not congenital. It's just that the effects of your abuse translate to something causing an emotional stench in you to women, so they reject you, which causes a feedback loop for you to hate women even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:17 AM
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The tipping point is when robots provide a pleasurable orgasmic experience. Sans something to cum inside of, it's all just going through motions. When they provide adaptable artificial vaginas that can conform to the optimal shape for a given penis it's all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:15 AM
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That's my point. You started off hating women from childhood abuse and because of that hate you can't get their approval. It wasn't because of the later disapproval that you hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:57 AM
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Oh ok another term for universal basic income. Is anti-natalism even a thing? I know some conservatives frothing over declining birth rates (natalists) and I've seen people choosing the child-free lifestyle but I've never seen anyone fuming over others having children, which is what I think anti-natalism would mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:31 AM
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spent a lifetime crawling around the feet of women trying to get their approval I really hate them intensely I can't help but think that the cause and effect relationship here may be different than you think. Anyways, it's nice to get the incel perspective on this with one who is actively trying to alleviate their deprivation via sex dolls instead of just bitching on social media. I overall agree with what you're writing although I don't share your plight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:26 AM
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Not so with the clergy... it just got moved to secrecy. Saying prison replaces romantic intimacy is like saying starvation replaces nutrition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:11 AM
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What is BIG? It seems the logic would be of natalists, not anti-natalists, even if there is such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:01 AM
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The technology for convincing human-like robots is on an exponential growth curve and the financial genie is already out of the bottle with the software companions. Artificial organs are already in the labs. Artificial skin and a means to supply it with nutrients is just around the corner. I think it will be ten years, not fifty. Already the most desperate of men are willing to pay thousands of dollars for inanimate sex dolls. This will only permeate more as realism increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:54 AM
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To be good fathers, AIs must have authority over humans. Even if those humans are not of the age of majority, it could be a problem. However the robots' authority could be seen as an extension of the mother's authority. I don't see how robots could ever be family resource providers as husbands are thought of. They could be servants but anything involving providing labor to others for profit or wages would just be the equivalent of renting the robot out. There likely would be little demand for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:41 AM
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I agree, but apparently there's a market that will only increase as technology improves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:09 AM
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AIs don't confer status, don't provide resources to extract, or provide a fatherly figure to children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:05 AM
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I don't see AI girlfriends being popular until a convincing robot is invented. Then all hell breaks loose. But you're right, AI removes the undesirable males from the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:24 PM
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Only for apps that can't filter out single parents. I guess that's a minor plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:20 PM
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I avoided making positive claims to avoid a CMV tag. Here's my views: 1) Age gap relationships are just as popular as ever 2) The expert is a "Stacy" but not publicly perpetuating Stacy views. Her private views are another matter. 3) Gender relationships will become increasingly insignificant as sexbots outcompete humans 4) AIs will have an adverse individual impact until they take convincing physical form, then the opposite will occur 5) The impact on society of people getting every social and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:18 PM
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I've never heard of the willingness for men to date single moms as a "red flag". Where did that come from? Also, a red flag for what context? Men befriending such men or childless women dating such men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:37 PM
2

Your statement is contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:32 PM
4

Unless she was raped she almost certainly asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:31 PM
1

One crazy girl makes a false accusation and poof your social circle evaporates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:52 AM
1

It's not bullshit beliefs. I lived in Vietnam as an English teacher for three years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:54 AM
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Ok whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:28 PM
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It takes a man being creepy first for someone to even make a post False; women will claim guys are creepy just for some misperceived slight unrelated to creepiness. At the most extreme, it leads to false rape accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:22 PM
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Answered in other thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:23 PM
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That second article seems contradictory. I'm going with the second figure of $277/mo which is my understanding of the actual average and roughly what I've seen quoted from multiple sources for five years. The typical Western, native English teacher makes at least $1500/mo (the $1100 is for non-native English teachers). The college-educated teaching assistants I worked with made 6.5m vnd/mo or $266/mo. Typically, working in a language center leaves weekdays free when one can work in public school…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:22 PM
1

What do you not understand about "5x the local income"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:42 PM
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I said teaching English is not a high paying job by Western standards but it's still 5x more than the locals make for doing far more work. Plus, one can have two jobs. Virtually anyone can teach English in Vietnam, legally with a bachelor's degree in any field and otherwise without.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:51 PM
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Where did I say they were getting threatened with their own dominance? You didn't. I was turning your own logic against you. You used the word "submissive". The so called 'threat' here is that western men will abandon western women for foreigners. Yes, I'm aware of that. And Western women call men creeps, predators, and pedos for seeking foreign women. I dont know who West Elm Caleb is and I don't care enough to learn. Of course you don't, you don't want to investigate any contrary evidence to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 01:08 PM
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How can anyone threaten you with your own dominance? Ask West Elm Caleb about being threatened by creepiness. It's mostly guilt tripping though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:51 AM
1

Actually one can also marry a local.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:05 AM
1

No. In Vietnam for example passport bros teach English. It's not "high paying" by Western standards but many times the average Vietnamese income. I did that for awhile, but now I have a remote US job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:04 AM
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That's not a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:54 AM
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When women get on tik tok and use the ‘creepiness' of men going overseas en masse to try and ‘scare’ western men into ‘staying’ it makes me want to die of cringe. It’s a pathetic attempt at negging and we all know it’s a bluff. Outside of that I don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:52 AM
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This is often true in my personal experience. For example in Vietnam, I dated a girl with downward sloping eyes. She was gorgeous but the local men won't touch her because of physiognomy pseudoscience, which is strongly supported here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:50 AM
1

Lop off your balls
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:06 AM
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For girls it might be. If you're attractive I suspect that for every guy that landed from your orbit and cummed inside you there's been one or two orders of magnitude more hopefuls stuck in a holding pattern. Some of them are probably invisible to you. For guys the friendzone almost never pays off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 09:09 PM
1

I have no doubt about that. It's a question of when not if. The seeds are already planted in the large SEA cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:56 PM
3

Yes. Chix engage in all sorts of falsification and obfuscation to avoid stalkers, dudes must do similar to avoid false allegations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:27 PM
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Friends first = friends forever
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:17 PM
3

That's why you only do it with strangers, and either don't give them your social media, keep your social media locked down, or use a fake account. Of course never give them your full real name until much later.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:16 PM
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I said older men. I'm referring to 50+.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:08 PM
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For sexual purposes, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:45 PM
1

Which is why I wouldn't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:31 PM
0

That's not my thinking, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:28 PM
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I don't mean virgin in that sense but rather like "virgin territory" in colonialism or "virgin market" in business. It has nothing to do with having sex the first time. The SEA dating market is full of undesirable local men and Western men who go there get a +3 SMV boost. If the SEA dating market gets swamped with Western men it will no longer be "virgin" and the SMV boost will disappear as female standards get raised.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:28 PM
1

What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:24 PM
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I'm spreading the word to miserable Western men that there's an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:39 PM
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Well if you want to go abroad and trade your money for a chick who wants a greencard go nuts lol. Leaving the country is not on the mind of most of them. I also block the money grubbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:28 PM
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Not in SEA. But 50yo USA women will readily date 60yo men. I didn't say young women I said same-age women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:17 AM
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You should come here and see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 09:43 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:13 AM
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What's your point? It's like a virgin dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:12 AM
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I haven't had any trouble locking men down when I am in my early 20s. Yes, that's entirely expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:02 AM
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please don’t take advantage of a young woman’s innocence. Precisely how does an older man "take advantage of a young woman’s innocence"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:59 AM
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Oh my you are salty about the reality of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:33 AM
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In SEA it's easy. Age is just a number here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:31 AM
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Citations needed. Everything I've seen makes fun of said women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:11 AM
2

Must be betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:09 AM
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It's not fear. It's laughing at the hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:04 AM
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Young women have no qualms about taking advantage of their maxxed SMV and are cheered on yet somehow when they blow past the wall it's "sad". Meanwhile, men are told to touch grass when young and called creeps when old.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:03 AM
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Same-age women are invisible to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:55 AM
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I'm not sure. All I know is the number of matches I got after covid was miniscule and others have said the same. In late 2018 I was having sex with 10 new girls a month on VC. I joined again in 2021 and didn't get a single date with my one-year membership.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:50 AM
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BuT mE BeINg crEEpeD OuT IS a ReAsOn!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:44 AM
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But women your own age won’t take you seriously as a long-term partner. So invisible women won't consider him. Sounds like a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:41 AM
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Rinse, repeat
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:39 AM
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I hope you returned to law school.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:38 AM
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Also I get hundreds of matches per week with hot women in asian countries but liek 1-2 with fat or obese women in the USA on tinder. This is exactly why I became a passport bro. I joined VietnamCupid and had far more interest from attractive women in their prime than from fat, ugly, and old women in a year on four American dating sites. Unfortunately VC collapsed during Covid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:33 AM
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Suits me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:24 AM
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White men won't even be desired in a few years in Asia anymore as black men will take their place. It won't happen. Vietnamese HATE dark skin. They're even racist against Cambodians and Filipinos for their darker skin. Although tall, muscular, attractive black guys can still slay in Vietnam, they must be far above average to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:16 AM
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SMV is not adjusted for age. It's not a bell curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:06 AM
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Compare him to the average Vietnamese male who is 5'4", has a 4.5" dick, smokes and and drinks heavily, makes $3k/yr, and has other characteristics I can't identify without violating Reddit's terms of service. A 5 or 6 in the USA, compared to the local selection, he's an 8 or 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:56 AM
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Correct. The bar for Western women is on the floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:11 PM
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You're crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:50 PM
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Congratulations on discovering the wonders of Vietnamese women my brother, I'm visiting Vietnam now and lived here for three years prior. My observation of Vietnamese women on this topic is that they're just as picky as American women when considering the full population of their options including Vietnamese men with an average height of 5'4", 4.5" dicks, $3k/yr incomes, and excessive smoking and drinking (plus other characteristics that if identified would violate Reddit's Community Standards).…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:48 PM
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That girl is not average, especially by American standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:36 PM
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Yes, SEA women tend to be mammarily deficient on average but what's there tends to be firm and perky. SEA women have the best asses on the planet but it depends on preferences. They tend to have tight, upside-down-heart shaped asses with amazing waist-to-hip ratios and nice thigh gaps decorated by bikini bridges. They don't have Kim Kardashian asses. I think Vietnamese women have the most beautiful faces on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:26 PM
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The OP asked a "why?" question. I'm merely using an analogy. There's no need to get your panties in a wad. Your arguments can be redirected at the OP: if she's going to do it, why does it matter what men want?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:08 PM
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It's the end result of that "varied sex life". They have fun in their twenties then in their 30s seek the beta billies they used to trounce on. Alpha fux, beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:51 PM
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So: a woman who won't give a man the time of day when they're both 25 comes back around depreciated at 35 (and likely with kids in tow) saying, "I always thought you were cute... I'm ready to settle down now." GTFO
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:44 PM
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Gaining value and attracting interest is not the same as losing value and thinking you should be treated the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:33 PM
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It's comparable to rabid women livid over age gap relationships and passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:18 PM
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Q4M
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:53 PM
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That's absurd. She did accuse me of sexual harassment. Again, you're equivocating the word "accused".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:08 PM
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I have no idea what you're complaining about in the first paragraph but I suspect you're pedantically equivocating on the term "accusation". I did nothing to her at all. I was making the rounds at the party and she instantly hated me. There was nothing sexual about it. She was just crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 01:59 PM
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Sexual harassment in general means unwanted sexual attention after being told no, being touched without permission in a sexual way, or being exposed to sexual content without permission. The accusations can be made to agents at a workplace, spreading rumors, or a person in authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 01:20 PM
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Sexual harassment is a workplace infraction, but sexual harassment isn't limited to the workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:27 AM
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My mother was in graduate school for education. She said in most classes there were many single women and around three men. One man would be married, one would be gay, and one would be mobbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:29 AM
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I tried dance for awhile but it only resulted in me dancing with repulsive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:26 AM
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I'm a passport bro in SEA. Here's my reasons. Obviously, I'm not talking in absolutes but I'm not littering my writing with qualifiers. SEA women don't maintain encyclopedic lists of ridiculous and arbitrary deal-breakers; they are tolerant, not looking for "Mr. Perfect". SEA women readily accept large age gaps; "age is just a number". This is unlike the West, where age gaps are considered abusive. The incidence of financial demands is about equal between Asian and Western women, but SEA women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:13 AM
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Oh it started long before Twitter existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:37 AM
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Better be careful not to be in a closed office with anyone then, or you get accused of discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:35 AM
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I was falsely accused of sexual harassment at a Meetup party.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:15 AM
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Also because IQ is highly positively correlated with delayed gratification ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:59 PM
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Seems the latter merely automates the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 11:20 AM
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Like I won’t even suggest I’m interested in ever meeting them and it’ll just be boring message after boring message. Maybe that's the problem. They're waiting for you to ask to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:13 AM
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I'm not sure I'm reading this right, but 18-24 yo women in college are at higher risk than not in college. https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:25 AM
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No it wasn't a long time ago, it ended in 2015. The effects will be felt for around seven decades after that. Sure China restricts freedom but how specifically has China violated bodily autonomy besides birth limits (incarcerated people excepted)?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:41 PM
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Gold diggers seek long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:20 PM
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So you're implicitly encouraging guys to lie to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:18 PM
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No, China has proven the opposite, by applying birth restrictions on a society that favors males.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:15 PM
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The girls that are too ugly for sex work aren't starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:52 PM
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This is my feeling as well. If I paid for sex, it's all I'd be thinking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:51 PM
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As a passport bro in SEA, I don't hire sex workers, but I know many who do, and it boils down to time and money. A dude can spend endless hours on OLD, approaches, and dates, and then spend money on a single date that is more than the cost of a sex worker. The less attractive a dude is, the more beneficial a sex worker is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:48 PM
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Or become passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:36 PM
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Sounds like they got the best of you. Women love to use the momentary power of blocking before they cry in their pillows for months.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:36 PM
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Not at all <image> And this is TYPICAL, not exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:32 PM
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Women aren't expected to negotiate attraction, but men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:31 PM
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Letting Western men know there's alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:27 PM
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Yes, similar to the bitter lifetime bachelorettes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:11 PM
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Well yeah until those women demand commitment then find that men gatekeep relationships. And no, I don't want to deal with them, that's why I moved to Southeast Asia and date beautiful, thin, young women with reasonable expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:07 PM
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Or men just say fuck it, become passport bros, and leave crazy Western women to their fates as bitter cat ladies driven to school younger women on age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:04 PM
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Yet those same women raise holy hell when men apply standards to them. WOMAN: "I demand a tall, wealthy man". MAN: "I demand a fit, feminine woman". WOMAN: "HOW DARE YOU!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:53 PM
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Yeah I'd forgotten the context in between comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:37 PM
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Ok well it's beside the point whether it's a person answering a question or an estimate. The important distinction is that anyone who ever monetized sex in their life would be included.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:27 PM
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No. The question in the title of this OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:59 PM
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That she had monetized sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:42 PM
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No doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:18 AM
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It's ever, in one's lifetime, not current activity. If a 60yo woman did one trick in her 20s to pay school fees, she'd answer "yes".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:57 AM
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So...phonesex is not sexwork? Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:55 AM
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Not at all. The number can only go up with age, the same as the number of virgins goes down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:52 AM
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Yes that worked. Thanks.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/23 12:06 PM
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Yes it's much better thanks.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/23 12:06 PM
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Why can't posters make screenshots with enough resolution to read? I tried the first sentence and gave up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/23 08:07 AM
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I made no threat. I'm referring to what happens due to human nature. Silly argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:30 PM
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I've been a passport bro for five years. About a third of the women are that way. The problem is the local women aren't fond of the local men and it has nothing to do with money or status. A 23yo Filipina accountant is asleep in my bed while I write this...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:25 PM
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The biological purpose of men is to crave far more sex than is available and, in that drive, kill the males of foreign tribes to acquire their females and prevent inbreeding. This has the secondary benefit of ensuring the survival of their own tribe by eliminating competitors. Without the violence of the past, combined with increasing numbers of women who refuse to partner up, excess males are not killed off and instead become bitter incels. We're civilized now, and the only solution I see is se…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:18 PM
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It answers the OP's question in the first sentence of the last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:49 PM
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This is only true for attractive men. For men who have no chance, the friendzone is orbiting while she leeches time, emotions, and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:20 PM
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Its not a societal issue, or a cultural issue Correct, it's primarily a genetic issue and secondarily a birth issue. It's almost entirely about how one does in the genetic and birth lotteries. It's almost entirely NOT one's own fault. You assume much more about personal sphere of influence than matches reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:58 AM
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making herself available for sex with the man, Women don't just make themselves available for sex with men they love, they actively want it and pursue it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:35 AM
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Go to Phillipines, Vietnam, or Thailand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:13 AM
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If you are loyal to a man when he has nothing he will repay that loyalty by cheating and leaving you when he has everything. He settled for you when he had nothing. Don't blame men for female hypergamous behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:03 AM
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Oh yes, Western women HATE when Western men seek higher quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:21 PM
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I never claimed otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:53 PM
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The bloated BMI. I refuse to date fat women. If I lowered my standards I could have fatties queued up outside my door but it's pointless because my hand provides more stimulation than those weak vaggies that feel like a bowl of warmed whipped cream. Instead I moved to Southeast Asia where abundant beautiful, trim women roam with vaggies that feel like they're sucking my cum out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:46 PM
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No, it's because men bring height and wealth to the table. Women care less about weight than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:36 PM
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Obviously not
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:34 PM
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I never advocate dalliances with minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:31 PM
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Excessc weight degrades female SMV far more than male SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:26 PM
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Well it means that women are fat. An MRA is Men's Rights Activist. An MRE is Meal Ready to Eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:55 PM
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About 1/4 of the girls in my friendship group lost their virginity or had their first relationship with an older man. so what Looking back essentially in all of these encounters the older man used the naivety, lack of experience and general inability to stand up for yourself at a young age to their advantage for mostly sexual activities but also a few pushed into isolating them as well. You're looking for what you want to see while ignoring that younger men can do that as well. Some were raped a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:55 PM
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Howso?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:15 AM
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I don't really consider them intersectional feminists. It's contradictory to intersectional feminism to be misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:27 AM
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BeCauSe OlDeR mEn taKe AdvAntAge of yoUng WomEn's gulLibiliTy!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:52 AM
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In Texas they're just MRAs and MGTOWs instead of incels. And lots and lots of men bitter about having to settle for unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:39 AM
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You drew the line at professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:28 AM
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This is nuts. There's only 11,800 professional athletes in the USA. The vast majority of them work for meagre wages. Only those in the top tier (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS) get the benefits you describe. Those are probably 2000 at most. Most are in farm teams, minor leagues, arena football, etc. This is out of a population of hundreds of millions. Even most who get a chance at the pros get cut after a season or two. The group who make it big won the genetic lottery. https://www.careerexplorer.com/c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:27 AM
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And once college ends and you're not in the small number of college athletes promoted to professional, you have little left to show for it except maybe a scholarship that's worth less than minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:16 AM
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Intersectional feminist vs radical feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:00 AM
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Bull. Queens would wage war all the time throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:47 AM
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-Men have the urge to sexually corrupt young women. This is complete BS. There is no such thing as "sexual corruption" with consensual sex between adults at or above the age of majority. Young women are naïve and should be exploring their sexuality with someone their age Only because you have a socially instilled aversion to age gaps. and stage in life. Life stages as you think are a fiction perpetuated by bitter women. The only life stages are childhood, pre-wall, post-wall, and post-menopausal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:32 AM
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For young women of healthy weight, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:21 AM
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Or do you use some sort of graph curve? It's extremely curved. For every 10 there's 1000 to 10,000 1s. This is mostly due to age and weight. The distribution gets more bell shaped when only considering healthy weight women in their prime but even then problems like birth defects, physical injury, and drug use curve the graph.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:12 AM
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Women don't want to hear it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:01 PM
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SMV is not on full display. I've been with several women who were attractive but their lack of vaginal strength made me not want to see them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:01 PM
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Yes it would. Enthusiastic consent or no deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:40 AM
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I actually wouldn't care as long as she was willing to do all the sexual activities she has done previously with me also, except perhaps something she tried once and didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:25 AM
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Then in that case it's a matter of if I had done a MFM threesome in the past, not her, assuming she's heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:31 PM
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She could, but that's not the point. BetaBUX is a biological ATM machine, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:13 PM
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Sounds insane
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:12 PM
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That was just one example. Anal sex, kinks, odd positions, etc. It can even be cowgirl with Chad, starfish with betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:11 PM
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If my girl had done FMF in the past, but was not willing to do that with me, yeah it would bother me. Other examples include kinks, rare sex positions, anal, forbidden locations, etc., not that I want to do all that but just knowing that she was willing to do that with another guy but not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:08 PM
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BetaBUX. She needs his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:54 PM
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They'll dole out enough resentful sex to keep the betabux from leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:41 PM
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Women in general are not sexually attracted to betabux. They'll be greedy about sex with betabux while doing anything Chads want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:38 PM
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There is actually a male version of this. Men put forth far more effort for the orgasm of women they're attracted to than disposable slam pigs who are barely better than their hands. On this topic, women gatekeep activities while men gatekeep effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:33 PM
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Women might enjoy playing rape fantasies with Chads they won't enjoy with their betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:25 PM
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The issue is if you had threesomes in the past but were unwilling with your current partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:24 PM
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It's never ok to pressure someone into doing something they're uncomfortable doing Unless it's breaking up. No one is obligated to stay in an unsatisfactory relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:20 PM
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I don't disagree with you. But the fact is, dark triad personality traits slay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:18 PM
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I'm not advocating it but in both cases the lying person got a higher SMV partner for a time. When discovered, just move on to the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:41 PM
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So when you take your girlfriend to go meet your family and they are not what you said, this is going to help you? Say they're dead. When you lie about your career, this is going to help you? Absolutely it will. Employers in the USA can't effectively check employment history anymore. Let's say you have no college degree or relevant experience and lie your way into a middle management position. Even if you're caught a year later, you won. NOTHING will happen to you and you made bank. Check out r/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:21 PM
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Actually it will. Except for extreme cases like West Elm Caleb, there's no permanent record of such activity that has any effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:05 PM
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Actually it could do the opposite. Many of the issues the OP grosses over are unreasonable female standards. For instance, lie and never say you're on the rebound, reduce your N-count if it's high, say you came from a good family life when it was a broken home, claim some sexual experience when you're a virgin, claim political or religious stances you don't adhere to because she does, or claim more income than you have, a better job than you hold, or more prestige than you possess. This will all…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:41 AM
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I lived in Vietnam for three years. From what you describe, you have nowhere near the resources to be unemployed in Vietnam.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/23 06:53 AM
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This argument is like saying a starving person drowning in shit has plenty of food choices. A woman can always find relationships with men below her own relationship market value (RMV). The problem is that a woman's RMV is always at best equal to her sexual market value (SMV) and usually less. Meanwhile, men's RMV is usually at least equal to or higher than their SMV (the exception is 8+ men who are broke or irresponsible). If a women has an SMV of 7, she'll sleep with guys with SMVs of 7 (and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:06 AM
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Probably a bit further out, sexbots will make recreational sex between humans nearly obsolete. Depending on timing of other technologies this may have different ramifications: If aging is cured or ameliorated around the same time, it's no big deal (although it depends on if aging is slowed substantially, halted, or reversed) Presumably if there's sexbots then there will also be geriatric care and manual labor robots that will resolve any issues with an overpopulation of elderly even if technolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 07:11 PM
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It's a bit savage, but get married in a country with a weak legal structure. The local men abandon families without repercussions constantly. If you want to walk away just fly home and don't come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 11:03 AM
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Reproduction is either below, at, or above the replacement rate of 2.1. Right now it's below replacement rate in most modern Western countries, and far below replacement rate in Japan, China, and South Korea. It most certainly can be "mathized". The only way it will change is by higher native reproduction or immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 09:11 AM
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Lol simps will never get past the deal-breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:28 PM
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Ladies, you can have it all! Draw up your encyclopedic lists of deal-breakers. Know your worth, girl!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:00 PM
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Dating apps work great in Southeast Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:58 PM
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Because: 1) Unattractive women mistake their ability to have sex with attractive men as indicative of their looks and relationship value. 2) Women underestimate the rate their looks depreciate with age. 3) Women demand looks as part of their encyclopedic lists of absurd and contradictory deal-breakers that no man can fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:51 PM
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The passport is usually enough if you're willing to go below 8s. SEA 30yos who were 7s in their prime seeking white men are so abundant they'll initiate on dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 06:21 PM
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Settling is the typical fate of saying "I know my worth".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:39 PM
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Settling is dating a woman with a BMI over 25 and a boss bitch attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:37 PM
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Become a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:13 PM
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they're not subject to being hit on in places they're doing their own thing. Uhm well, yes they are, as a consequence of being in public. It's similar to how you can be photographed without consent in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:26 AM
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My standard offer is to pay for rent, food, insurance, transportation, etc. but I'm not buying luxury items or frequently giving gifts of significant monetary value. In exchange, beyond the regular expectations of a relationship, she does the grocery shopping, errands, light housework, and works out a few hours per day. This would only be for a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:51 AM
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I'm a guy. After reading the Wiki I think I'm in bounds commenting here. I'm early 50s, 6'1", $145k, Chadlite appearance, divorced. I moved to Southeast Asia because age is just a number here. My dating app preferences are set to 18 to 25. Why? Not because I want to mold anyone but because the effort I put into my future partner is an investment in her beauty lifecycle. The younger she is, the longer I'll be able to enjoy her beauty. If I marry an early 20s woman, she'll be early 50s when I'm ea…
/r/RedPillWomen07/09/23 09:56 AM
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I'm in my 50s, and although I can't project the way young women in today's political climate will swing as they age, women in general demand men with at least similar education and income to their own and get embittered as they become alpha widowed. I decided to bow out and become a passport bro rather than deal with fat Western women with their impossible standards and bitchy attitudes. As I write this - and whatever gods that may exist can strike me dead if I'm lying - I'm laying naked with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:04 AM
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Women have standards, men have misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:27 PM
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Well I'd generalize looks into the physical somehow because a beautiful woman with a weak vagina remains frustratingly undesirable. Similar with older skin feel. But in general beyond the physical, older women when compared to younger women are more demanding and entitled per unit of SMV (note that there is no age or weight adjustment for SMV) and more likely to be single mothers with minor children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:58 AM
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Yes. A typical exception is a 40s woman with substantial income or education who will almost always demand a man "on her level" regardless of her SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:38 AM
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It's somewhat complicated, but the entitlement is more of a nuisance in the form of bitchiness than in the form of dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:31 AM
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Yes they are. Regardless of looks at age 40, there's no getting around the lack of skin suppleness, and reduced vaginal strength requires specific exercises most women won't perform. There's also the greater sense of entitlement most 40s women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:25 AM
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<image> They can dish it out, but they can't take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:35 AM
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Those same women will raise hell about men saying women are fat, aging, or single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:59 AM
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People are wising up to spending 18 years of unpaid labor and unreimbursed expense so corporate parasites obtain virtual slave labor and autocrats obtain cannon fodder.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:37 PM
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Both 1 and 2 are utterly unimportant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:46 AM
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Well she coined the term "involuntary celibate" and then the community made a huge turn after she left into misogyny. But I guess she laid the egg.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:52 AM
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Well she coined the term "involuntary celibate" and then the community made a huge turn after she left into misogyny. But I guess she laid the egg.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:50 AM
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Thanks. Alek Minassian attacked in Toronto too, but that was long after inceldom started as a community.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:23 AM
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Incel,Pua and blackpill movements started in Toronto Can you cite that? I'm not challenging you but it's interesting and I'd like to know more about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:09 AM
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This is a huge factor in gaining dating maturity. Inability to handle rejection is what RP calls a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:02 AM
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You must be delightful at parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 09:17 PM
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Like fat women...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 03:52 PM
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I don't have much contact with my rabid feminist sister because of that shit. Every time I open my mouth she twists it into some form of misogynistic bullshit. ME: Nice weather today. HER: It's easy to enjoy the weather when you're not traumatized by patriarchy! You wouldn't be cheerful if you understood your privilege! We're both in our fifties now, she's not changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 09:56 AM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 11:53 PM
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Oh you're joking. Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:22 AM
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I like the self-awareness
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:56 AM
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Speaking from a guy's perspective, I prefer autoeroticism over sex with physically unattractive women. My absolute minimum standard, even when desperate, is a 6, even if my looks deteriorate to a 1. I suspect most women operate similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:55 AM
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Not if another country invaded us as you say. That country would be turned into a glass desert.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:08 AM
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We are moving towards a post-family society as envisioned in science fiction. You may as well embrace it, there's nothing that can stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:51 AM
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Not unless they get nukes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 09:16 PM
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Yes it is. The climate crisis would not exist if the planet had half the current population. And if there aren't enough young people That's why I wrote "long term". It has to be after the elderly population bulge dies off. 50 years at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:59 PM
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In the long term, a fertility crisis is good. The world is overpopulated anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:48 PM
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Professional radfem activist
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:45 PM
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Racist
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:21 PM
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Responsibility for proving a claim lies with the claimant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 11:39 AM
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To slay as a passport bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 09:05 AM
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I think that's because of skill, not physicality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:47 AM
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Why
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:30 AM
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As the world turns ... <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 06:57 AM
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I'd need to see numbers for the 50s and Victorian times no older woman has had to tell me that Correct; media propaganda does an excellent job.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 10:38 PM
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No, they're based mostly on what jealous older women want younger women to follow, and the younger women bamboozled by the propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:04 PM
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Women aren't interested in hitting on men because it's simply against natural instinct; they're the valuable reproductive bottleneck, invest enormous resources in reproduction, and greatly benefit from being genetically selective. Men want to spread their seed as far and wide as possible. In nature, males are almost always the pursuers; females only need to passively bring their reproductive capabilities to the table. Since males only bring their genes, they pursue females and in many cases must…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:55 PM
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So few men hit their peak when they're supposed to? No, they hit the peak but that doesn't mean they can attract younger hot women, which takes a combination of looks, height and wealth. It's similar to ugly, fat 23Fs hitting their peak but still only treated like slam pigs by guys of higher SMV. Desire to avoid stigma from who Society in general: mostly women and blue pilled men Women are far less stigmatised now for any romantic/sexual choice than we have ever been. I agree It's a lack of desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:31 PM
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Those age gaps are rare because the men who qualify for them are rare. There's also the desire to avoid stigma. I'm not familiar with Rollo's chart but it sounds accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:11 PM
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Yes, but he has nearly peak SMV. Hers is significantly depreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:01 PM
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The 40yo female lawyer will be so fucking demanding too. It's amazing how they demand higher prices for lower quality. They kNoW wHaT ThEy'rE WorTh!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:54 PM
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I believe much of the reason guys want 20 year olds (I'm loathe to say "younger") is because they're fucking hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:52 PM
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The point of the wall is inevitability. It's impossible to stop. You're referring to someone who falls behind their peers. It's controllable. It's comparable to a woman getting fat rather than hitting the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:44 PM
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Well the point is, they don't know why he didn't call again, so they take the victim route and feel they got used.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 12:12 PM
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There's almost no dating situations where women get "used". I guess it can happen where a dude says he's looking for a relationship to get sex, but women rarely know if that's the case. When a guy doesn't want sex again, it's usually because of female factors like photo fraud, poor pussyfeel, or obnoxious personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:33 PM
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audacity to compare it to being used for sex. Being used for meals is worse than being used for safe sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:17 PM
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Women can’t take back a body. Sex does not use up a woman's body. Women are not sex batteries that get sexually depleted. If a man gets used for a date, he can always make that money back & it’ll be like it never even happened. That's absurd. You act as if money cannot be saved. If a man spends $100 on a foodie, that is $100 from his lifetime wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:13 PM
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The problem is, women who make $X only consider men making $2X to be on their financial level, but with a minimum male income of 6 figures regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:36 AM
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It's discussed in the PPB community. There's YouTubers like The Filipina Pea who are fighting back against the racism of Western women. Also see https://youtu.be/At4SV91QKL0?si=NlhGoAVx01lxNvI3 I will say though I see many passport bros complain about single mothers with mixed race children in their own countries, so there is some hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:36 AM
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That's a factor. Their arrogant supremacy and righteous indignation at being bypassed disqualifies them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:21 AM
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No, you're just being a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:12 AM
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You don't consider how gullible incels are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:01 PM
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Of course she is. A picture of an attractive woman of higher quality than the local selection. No lying is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:13 PM
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They still hunt, it's just a different strategy. Men hunt like cats, stalking and pursuing prey. Women hunt like female anglerfish, dangling out bait until a victim bites.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:33 PM
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I thought you meant women who come to America, such as mail-order brides.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:22 PM
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The women did not go to America to hunt these men down and take their money. That's EXACTLY what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:11 PM
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Oh we found the toxic FDS Qween.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:30 PM
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the slums of Guatemala or some other godforsaken shithole. This attitude is a major reason men avoid Western women. God help anyone step on your privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:29 PM
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Well-fucked women don't act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:35 AM
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I assume you're a guy. Get on a Filipino Dating site for encouragement and open your eyes then get to Phillipines pronto. I'm writing this from Manila. I've drilled 4 beautiful young women (well into legal range) the past week, asked one to be my gf (she's fence sitting), and I never pay for sex. I'm a former Chadlite but currently overweight from covid. I'm also middle aged. I target 8+, but settle for 7s sometimes. If you're willing to go with 5s then you essentially have an unlimited supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:46 PM
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an average family had 7-10 kids in hopes that a few of them survived. No, an average family had 7-10 kids because there was no reliable birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:35 PM
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Only around half of earners are net tax payers. Correction: net federal income tax payers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:33 AM
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I don't want to debate terminology. "Effort" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:58 AM
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The work I put into making myself a part of that community.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:48 AM
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Usually, community. In one case I broke up with one girl and started dating another in the same group. The girl I broke up with hated seeing me with my new gf and started crap like saying she didn't feel safe when I was at events. Another time I made a scheduling mistake on an event and a woman I never met freaked out on me even though she was never inconvenienced. She started posting on the group forum that she wouldn't attend because of "a certain member of the group." It didn't take long for …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:33 AM
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No, the more "logical" way to interpret it is that the female members of the group can get a guy expelled on a whim. If a couple in the group break-up badly, it's usually the male who has to leave. If a guy is so unattractive he gets labeled a creep, he'll be gone. If he glances the wrong way, "oohh he's mentally undressing me!" Poof.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:06 AM
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Women are easier in a community because they know they can start a rumor and get any dude expelled on a whim. Like this crap. https://www.joe.co.uk/fitness-health/woman-called-out-by-fitness-influencer-says-shes-been-flooded-with-death-threats-and-hate-377620 The attempt failed because she went public with her foolishness. All she had to do was get her buddies to say he's a creep to the staff and he would have been expelled.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:16 AM
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I threw away all my social proof five years ago, became a passport bro, and never looked back. OLD is too efficient for white men in non-white countries to worry about social proof. Social proof is great until it disappears. It only takes looking at one crazy girl the wrong way to initiate false rape accusations. Then years of work goes down the drain.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:12 AM
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Well there's the issue that marrying at a later age can rob children of inheritance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:05 AM
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It's an analogy, not an equivalence. Like every analogy it's leaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 11:37 PM
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Women enter the fuck zone from abundance. Men enter the friend zone from scarcity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 04:17 PM
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What should the cutoff be? 19? 20? 21?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:49 PM
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Both men and women are wasting assets, but women are faràß more so. Instinctively, women know this, and try to lock down a man via marriage. A second reason is that women have a stronger parental instinct than men and seek to lock down a father. Of course, feminism has subverted women's natural instincts, leading to post-wall women finally ready to settle and single motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 07:14 PM
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So, compare yourself to: A baby born with a severe birth defect A starving person in a poor country A young man in a rural village in China where all the young women left for urban areas with wealthy men The vast majority of the human race throughout history who led awful lives Genetics and birth are a lottery. There's winners and losers and nobody has control over what they get. You're still likely better off than the vast majority of the population throughout history, and also more than your f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:30 AM
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Eh... If you say so. I can't say I've seen it significantly in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:45 AM
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Maybe gold diggers, but prostitutes and sugar babies rarely get married. I see gold diggers get rejected by wealthy men all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:15 AM
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Suit yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:43 PM
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You can also go to r/TwoXXChromosones and see the outrage. Again, I admit that social media is not representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:40 PM
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That's true but the original videos reacted to demonstrate the phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:36 PM
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And the women that want nothing to do with them at home and wish they would leave them alone, are mad that those dudes literally fly far away as possible from them: because? I don't know, but they sure scream about it on TikTok. To be fair though the average American woman has no idea about passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:31 PM
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Yeah I should have qualified it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:27 PM
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Yes, so these guys become passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:13 PM
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So they can date belligerent, old, Western fat-nasties screaming about age gaps, imposing their impossible standards, and demanding double or more the average income or as passport bros they can date sweet, thin, young, beautiful Asians where age is just a number, they just want someone who treats them well, and they make few financial demands in real relationships. It's like buying a '74 Ford Pinto for $50k out of sudden desperation when, unknown and just down the street, a dealer is selling ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:48 PM
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The other major SEA passport bro destination is the Phillipines. I don't know about their strictness. Of course other PPB destinations are Latin America and Eastern Europe. I don't know about the situations in those areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:57 PM
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They practice US law, not Vietnamese law. They mostly assist Vietnamese with obtaining US visas, navigating US import law, and contracts with US companies. There's Vietnamese attorneys in the USA that do the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:28 PM
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All the other options require a four year degree at minimum. That's a huge long term commitment for huge finsncial expemditure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:06 PM
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Did you read the comment I referred to? It amply answers your question. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/160o55m/why_dont_passport_bros_ever_ask_guys_living_in/jxogzm1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:46 PM
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As I wrote elsewhere, the vast majority of men don't have the circumstances to become passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:29 PM
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You completely missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:53 AM
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This happened to me. An acquaintance of an ex-girlfriend I ended badly with joined the group and circulated that I harassed her even though I went out of my way to avoid her. I left the group before she could escalate to false rape accusations. 2 years of effort down the drain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:52 AM
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I provided an opportunity for PPB hopefuls to ask questions of a PPB on the ground. The reason most men will never become PPBs is lack of career or financial resources. A special set of circumstances are required to be a PPB: be independently wealthy have a job enabling remote work from anywhere in the world, mostly software developers and influencers have a college degree and get certified to teach English be a licensed schoolteacher be a doctorate level medical professional (dentist, physician…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:23 AM
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I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:37 AM
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It's because of the undesirably of the local men independent of wealth. I can't say more without activating the racism censors but I have a specific list of items the local women repeatedly tell me they object to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:33 AM
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Don't necessarily go for sex, but create sexual tension. The Paging Dr. Nerdlove site has extensive articles on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:33 PM
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Well duh but prostitutes, gold diggers, and sugar babies get the relationship gates slammed shut in their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:59 PM
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But I thought men are the gatekeepers of relationships They are, for those knocking on the gate. For that to happen, he must be admitted to sex gates first, kept by women. Women gatekeep, then are gatekept. For men it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 12:41 PM
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Masturbation rids the urge but provides little satisfaction and no emotional connection. I wish I could find it now, but the volume is lower and the constituents different of masturbatory ejaculate than penetrative ejaculate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:14 PM
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The probability distribution of appearance is not a bell curve but rather a negative exponential curve. For every 10 there's 1000 1s or somesuch. There is no adjustment for age. The average is probably around 2.5 rather than 5.5. Only among the under 25 age group is 5.5 average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:59 PM
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Social engineering
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:53 PM
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I prefer highly experienced. They're much more skilled usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:05 AM
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Declining supply + increasing demand = higher prices. Sure the elderly can use political power to raise taxes but that can only go so far. The young will have it made. Employer talking to young high school dropout on sidewalk: "I need low level nursing home staff. I'll offer $250k per year, a $50k signing bonus, a 30 hour workweek, amazing benefits, yada yada yada." Young high school dropout on sidewalk: "Call my agent."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:31 AM
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No, not as a byproduct. You're making stuff up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:23 AM
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This is silly. You're referring to a data blip. AI is growing exponentially in power. Also, you're correlating two factors, removing bigotry and loss of ability, that have nothing to do with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:15 AM
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The ability of the elderly majority to wield the power you state is limited by youths' ability to "lie flat" as they're doing in China. If anything the huge demand for the labor of the young will cause their incomes to skyrocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:12 AM
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Physical robots, yes, but software AI will approach zero cost. Knowledge workers will take the hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:08 AM
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Most marriages are 50/50 financially so she takes her rightful half. If that were true then the glass ceiling almost certainly couldn't exist. Make up your mind. Are you oppressed by wage disparity or not? You need your grievance somehow. Even if women have more money post divorce they are still worse off since they probably have kids from that marriage so the expenses are much higher with one income. And for which she collects child support that exceeds the cost of child care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:27 AM
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Wait I thought women divorced raped yall and took “half of your money?” That's what I wrote. Shouldn’t she be better off? She's better off than before the marriage. She gives her youth just to end up broke??? I didn't say "broke", but her net worth increased substantially than when compared to before the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:16 AM
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Which makes sense. After expropriating over half the assets their former husbands built the former wives lose access to the breadwinner's income.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:08 AM
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Because a woman's chances are better at 20 than 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:00 AM
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They may not get alimony but they almost always get assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:58 AM
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Yes, they do that via divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:57 AM
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Yes, they do that via divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:57 AM
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Because most men make no effort for their partner's pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:26 AM
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The worst pussies are of fat girls. The fat is inside the pussy too and instead of feeling like a snug glove it feels like a bowl of whipped cream. I get more satisfaction from my hand than from a fat girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:14 AM
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I wish more women thought this way. Unfortunately I've been DQ'ed many times for having a vasectomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:42 AM
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This argument is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:40 PM
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Lol where did you get this list? Maria Shriver filed for divorce 12 years ago and it was finalized 2 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:35 PM
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You're not accounting for the competition from other women on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:34 PM
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You're not accounting for the competition from other women on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:32 PM
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Women always had the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 12:43 PM
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1950s kids were rarely having sex, doing drugs Bull. Leave it to Beaver is not a depiction of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 12:41 PM
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I didn't say the other is ok. You're seeing patterns that don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:52 AM
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So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:21 AM
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Which in no way is a representative sample. News thrives on hysterics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:20 AM
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No stats were provided. It was a "me and my friends" argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:17 AM
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"Males kill women all the time..." Your lack of self-awareness is remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:15 AM
5

You have the right to dump your partner, you have no protection from criticism, especially when women paint themselves as victims regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 09:44 AM
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When women discuss past relationships it's always the man cheating/being abusive/yada yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:51 AM
1

Quit feeding your dog and see how long it still loves you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:33 AM
2

A woman who you’re best friends with and are fucking is a girlfriend Either a girlfriend or a fuck buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:30 AM
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If a woman has her ovaries removed, she not only loses desire for sex but for romantic relationships altogether. Romantic love IS sexual. You can't separate them. This is true of aces also. So much of the world thinks in a false dichotomy of romantic love vs. sex. That is NOT the way it works. A true lack of sex drive (not just penetration) implies lack of desire for romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:24 AM
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Women do that for other women, just like hair, nails, makeup, and other shit that men don't give a rat's ass about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:12 PM
1

It's true for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:08 PM
4

Relationship issues are rarely due to lack of attraction but rather other unattractive characteristics discovered later.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:14 PM
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Just say fuck it, and if possible, become a passport bro. I avoid this shit living in Southeast Asia. Leave obnoxious Western fat-nasties behind and enjoy dating thin, young, beautiful Asian women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:08 PM
2

For sure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:31 AM
0

You're describing exactly what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:52 PM
1

Vetting is the entire point of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:11 PM
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In other words, you want guys orbiting around you then every once in awhile you'll grant one landing permission. Most of them are wasting their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:09 PM
1

I had a woman offer to split, I accepted her offer even though I was prepared to pay, then she ghosted me and told a mutual friend I was cheap. Common story.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:48 PM
1

Your true colors are shining through.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:12 PM
1

Alphas demand a woman prove herself before spending money on her. I'm much more impressed by a woman who meets for quick coffee and fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:45 PM
1

Correct; the former implies transactionality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:23 PM
13

That's because it's a standard shit test. If the guy accepts he'll likely get ghosted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:34 AM
7

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:31 AM
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That's actually PUA talk although the lines blur.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:40 PM
0

RP is not PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:34 PM
2

I think you're confusing RP and PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:34 PM
2

Because of pervasive FDS mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:39 PM
2

It's easy to avoid, never pay for expensive dates until after sex occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:22 PM
2

No, male and female preferences are different; women go for height and wealth in men, men care little for those qualities in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:16 AM
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No it's not relevant. Men's preferences are what they are; dumb and immature are way down on the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:14 AM
3

In other words, women have standards, men have shallowness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:49 AM
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That's fine, it's also irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:48 AM
4

Most women don't even look "their best" until like 22-25 No, models are ready retire by age 25, when little subtle cracks and wrinkles already start appearing. there's a certain "confidence" that people 18-22 lack which is bad for dating Making stuff up, this is probably an outlier preference for you. It's before they get bitter and jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 02:59 AM
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It's usually pretty obvious. She insists on a high-end restaurant, either immediately shows no interest or is obviously faking interest, and then blocks afterwards or demands another dinner-only date. While it's usually not certain on an individual basis, we know women do it collectively: https://nypost.com/2019/06/21/a-third-of-women-only-date-men-because-of-the-free-food-study/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:46 AM
3

Lamarckian evolution always crops up among the ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:05 AM
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It's a big assumption to say those 7 million jobless men account for a vast majority of the 9.5 men who gave up looking for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:02 AM
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It stands for sexual market value. Women essentially begin adulthood with their maximum SMV and it declines throughout their life. "Dumb and immature" are not part of most men's preferences, within reason, and are commonly seen as an advantage as those qualities imply minimal baggage and bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:57 PM
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It is impossible to be a "foodie" because going on dates doesn't entitled you to sex. It is possible to be a foodie when a woman goes on a date knowing sex will never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:55 PM
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It makes perfect sense. Women maximize their SMV around age 18 to 22, men maximize SMV ten to fifteen years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:54 PM
2

No need. I don't spend money on women until they demonstrate they're serious by having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:34 PM
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Which doesn't change the fact that scammers exist who go on dates just to score a free meal. A third of women only date men because of the free food: study https://nypost.com/2019/06/21/a-third-of-women-only-date-men-because-of-the-free-food-study/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:28 PM
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Were you expecting sex / romantic relationship afterwards just because you paid for her meal? Stupid argument. That's equivalent to saying people should blame themselves for being victims of romance scams, because that's exactly what foodies are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:30 PM
1

She probably has nothing else to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:23 PM
1

My first fiance in that time drained my bank account and ran off with another guy. My second fiance died in a motorbike accident. There were others I wanted to get serious with but they disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:16 PM
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But seriously ladies, do yourself a favour and delete dating apps for good. It’s a complete waste of time. Go out and meet men in real life, in their natural environment, doing things that they do in normal life. That way they can’t lie about their height, their job, their attractiveness, or even their living situation. That requires too much effort for the gold diggers, sugar babies, friendzoners, foodies, prostitutes, and other riffraff and pond scum for whom OLD is far from a waste of time. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:51 PM
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I have sat through three and four hour meetings and never heard anyone say a word about whether or not the app was actually helping people find the love, but have instead heard minute discussion of ad channels, click through rates, stickiness, time on site, and the holy grail: re-bills. Re-bills, re-bills, re-bills! Do anything, but get the re-bills! So the best provider OLD strategy is like a carrot on a stick. Do OLD companies do anything to subtly sabotage customer success? I joined a dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 08:00 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:44 AM
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I've had excellent results with country-specific dating apps. VietnamCupid alone resulted in around 200 dates, around 80 sexual encounters, and two engagements within three years and almost all the women were 7+ and under 35, mostly late 20s (I'm early 50s). The site died during covid though and hasn't recovered. FilipinoCupid had similar ratios for the time I spent there. I'm based in Phillipines now and Pinalove has been incredible. I routinely bed early 20s, 8+. I haven't found an excellent m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:34 AM
0

Work my ass off in high school. I was college bound but I graduated at the middle of my class and working extra hard would have made no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:50 AM
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Because it's a market, dictated by supply and demand. Everyone has a market value. 1s are like waste product and 10s are like gold; there's orders of magnitude more 1s than 10s, it's not a bell curve. Given a choice almost every person would choose a 10 but only those of similar market value can obtain them because of extreme rarity. Saying I want to own an island in the Bahamas, live in a 20000 sq ft mansion, drive a Buggati, and travel the world in a private yacht equipped with hot whores does…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:14 PM
1

His groupies are not up to his standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:48 AM
1

I’m not intimately aware of how vasectomy approvals go but it seems it’s much easier. I just booked an appointment and did it. There was no friction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:41 AM
2

Lamenting having children is FAR worse than lamenting not having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:40 AM
2

It's just supply and demand. There's more men seeking to have sex than women available to have sex with, and there's more women seeking commitment than men available the commit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 08:31 AM
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That's like saying doctors control who they heal. Patients control who they have heal them. The power is in doctor's hand though because of supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 08:29 AM
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Fuckzoned
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 08:16 AM
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I'm not referring to the actual list but the insufferable pickiness of the list. Most women are just as picky but their individual items differ. No man can possibly suit them, they have Prince Charming complexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:16 AM
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Correct. FDS captures a core of the way Western women think. The main difference is most women are not explicit or even aware they operate that way. As another poster to this discussion observed, get a few drinks in them and the Prince Charming complex spills out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:17 AM
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In the USA, yes, but they're not explicit about it. American women's unreasonable expectations are a primary reason I became a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:57 AM
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You're not dating American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:16 PM
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I can only present the realities of the social dynamics based on history: surplus men go to war. If women were to refuse en masse to form relationships, they can expect their society to become warlike. I can't do anything about that, it's the nature of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:49 PM
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First of all it was the Chinese government that created that gender imbalance. True; I never claimed otherwise. why shouldn't women take advantage of this imbalance I blame them only when they become inconsiderate and parasitic, like the Chinese woman who brought 20+ relatives on a first date. Your comparison of men to women in this situation is invalid. When women discriminate on height it's "know your worth"; when men discriminate on weight it's "you misogynistic pig". That said, as a passport…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:29 PM
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See at the top "FDS Strategy Coach". It's no joke, the FDS pseudo-females cheered it on. I wish it were still available.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:54 PM
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Lol you must not be American. This is part and parcel the way modern American women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:46 PM
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The smaller the female dating pool is, the more men suffer. Ask the Chinese where females were aborted and there's a high gender imbalance in favor of women. Chinese women are so in demand they've become even more insufferable than American women, taking their extended families on dinner dates the guy must pay for, demanding financial statements, and a new car, nice apartment, and a generous ongoing allowance be provided on the wedding day. Meanwhile, there's entire villages full of lonely young…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:25 PM
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Demand far outstrips supply. Women have been graduating college at higher rates than men for some time now. As well, men are politically more conservative than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:58 AM
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The problem is, even shaving off the silliness, almost no man meets her standards. She asks the impossible, like most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:32 AM
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Can you link?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:20 AM
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Not really. There's an abundance of women who choose to stay single since because no man is good enough for them, and the divorce rate is over 50% and mostly initiated by women.l
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:10 AM
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I don't think that's so true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:58 AM
19

The problem is, most women are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:57 AM
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You asked what men complain about. I answered your question using a specific example. Every woman who thinks this way effectively reduces the dating pool and wastes time and money dating because eventually some stupid, arbitrary standard will be violated and she bows out. It's the primary reason I said fuck it and became a passport bro - for which women also raise hell about. Having reasonable standards is fine. Bullshit like disqualifying for having briefly worked as an EMT is ridiculous. Yet, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:17 AM
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What men complain about are preposterously long lists of often subtly contradictory deal breakers that no man can fulfill, like this one. This example may seem extreme but most women seem to do this. One little insignificant thing and boom she's gone. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:49 AM
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It's social stigma the ability to be choosy about their customer not needing to service many customers safety self deception that one is not really a prostitute But in the end it's still money for sex, aka prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:18 PM
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Maybe the money helps because girls want to use your money somehow, but then isn't she basically a hooker?, why just not hire directly then? Women will go to great lengths and engage in mental gymnastics to avoid designation as a prostitute. Somehow, being in a "relationship", being a "sugar baby", or being a "housewife" without any responsibilities save sex avoid the prostitute label, although that's exactly what they are. FDS is the philosophy of being a prostitute while avoiding being called …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:45 AM
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Men can offer a relationship and get a higher quality partner than offering just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:40 AM
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Women can always find a higher value man to fuck them than commit to them. For men, it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:02 AM
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I had a vasectomy. It's one of the best things I've ever done. I don't like children and especially babies anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:09 AM
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That's fine, plenty more where she came from. I'm not the jealous type anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:15 PM
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My situation: SEA passport bro, early 50s, vasectomy I target early 20s women. My girlfriend is 23 and is a 9+. I provide her food, housing, basic clothing, and basic necessities. I bought her a phone recently but it was a basic Android, not the latest Apple. We mostly order food and have weekly maid service but she does light cleaning and food preparation and spends two hours a day at the gym at my request. She's hypersexual and I try to satisfy her three times a day but I'm not always successf…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:58 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:21 PM
1

Hard to explain in words, best to do a Google image search.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:18 PM
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I tried dancing for about six months but the women weren't garnering my interest. Then someone invited me to acroyoga and I never looked back: fit, young, attractive women in tight yoga clothes. I fucked three of them before covid shut everything down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:29 AM
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Pump and dump
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:00 AM
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Mod said it was off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:25 PM
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I'm not really sensitive to those factors. Especially for a girl as beautiful as her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:43 AM
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I didn't say I was in the shack too. That's why she needed a bus ticket from my modern apartment to her hovel three hours away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:39 AM
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