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Because men also have the right to stop harmful, invasive use of their bodies/blood products so why shouldn’t women also have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:25 AM
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Men also choose with their bodies to complete their reproductive role too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:48 AM
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Men also have the choice to not complete their role in reproduction and ejaculate inside someone. It’s not mandatory for sex to occur. Women can’t complete their reproductive role and not pay child support if the other parent has custody either FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:46 AM
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Great argument. 10/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:59 PM
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Right. Which would also work the other way around and men would still be liable for child support so your whole argument falls apart. A man has the option to opt out by not cumming in someone’s vagina. You’re contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:52 PM
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Why should a man have the option to opt out financially when you literally said women shouldn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:34 PM
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That’s not after the fact. After the fact is when birth has happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:20 PM
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Yeah, because a man chose to complete his part in reproduction and cause it. Neither party gets an opt out after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:42 PM
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He’s the one who causes the pregnancy…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:16 PM
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How is the greater risk on her? The risk is high for both. Once the man completes his part in reproduction and causes a pregnancy that someone wants to gestate, he must pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:43 PM
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There is one for men. Don’t complete your part in reproduction…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:00 PM
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He has the same options as she does. Don’t complete your part in reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:46 PM
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‘They’ll both have to be financially liable’, So how is that any different to a woman continuing a pregnancy, keeping custody and obtaining child support from a man who doesn’t want to pay it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:36 PM
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But what should be the outcome? She absolutely will not have an abortion, he’s willing to take custody but only if she pays child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:57 PM
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She won’t have an abortion though because she doesn’t want one and he’s willing to take the child but only if she pays child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:23 PM
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What if she just didn’t want to have an abortion but the father was willing to take on custody if she paid child support? I think you’d be very surprised at the amount of non custodial parents (men and women) who would jump at the chance to not pay child support..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:50 PM
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She should be able to opt out if she gives birth and doesn’t want to pay? Interesting. So I’m assuming you’re okay to have your taxes inflated to accommodate?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:22 PM
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If a woman chooses to complete her part in reproduction, gives birth and the father has custody, should she be able to opt out of child support too?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:51 AM
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You: “Don’t have sex if you’re not ready to have a child” Also you: “Men should be able to opt out of child support”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:52 PM
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Lol. What? You’re literally here arguing about how men should be able to dip out of child support when they’ve already made the choice to cum in someone and cause a pregnancy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:31 PM
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You can disagree all you want, it doesn’t make me wrong. Don’t complete your part in reproduction and you won’t be financially responsible for a child. That applies to women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:00 PM
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No, abortion isn’t dodging responsibility, it’s deciding not to create a child in the first place. Once a child exists, responsibility exists. Those aren’t the same thing. Men can also ‘dodge responsibility’ by not completing their part in reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:17 PM
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You keep calling it ‘equality,’ but pregnancy isn’t equal to begin with. Women get stuck with all the physical risk, so of course they get the final say. Abortion isn’t a financial escape hatch, it’s medical autonomy. Once a kid exists, it’s not about the parents fairness anymore, it’s about the child. ‘Opting out’ just means dumping all the consequences on the woman and the kid. That’s not equality, it’s responsibility dodging.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:47 PM
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That’s not the same ‘choice’ at all. Women’s options are about what happens to their body during pregnancy, men aren’t risking their health or lives, so pretending it’s just a financial fairness issue is a false comparison. Once a child exists, both parents owe support. ‘Opting out’ doesn’t make you pro choice, it just means letting one parent dump responsibility on the other. That’s not equality, it’s abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:28 PM
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Choose what option? I haven’t ignored anything. Women are also financially obligated to support their children. You’re acting like they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:05 PM
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Child support isn’t parenting. No one is forced to parent. Abortion is about bodily autonomy. Child support is about the kid not starving. One is ‘no one gets to use my organs’, the other is ‘hey, maybe help feed the human you helped create’. Very different categories. Also funny how your version of equality always seems to mean women handle the physical and financial risk and men handle nothing. If you don’t want even the possibility of paying for a kid, there’s this wild theory that if you tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:45 AM
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No one is ever forced to parent. All parents are obligated to pay child support. You’re acting like this is an issue only men face. It’s not. Clearly women who don’t have abortions don’t mind being pregnant, lol. Men should be responsible for their reproductive input too instead of hoping everyone else will do it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:16 AM
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And we have the choice on whether or not to gestate. If you don’t want to pay child support, don’t ejaculate inside of women who don’t mind being pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:50 PM
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Or, wild take, men can just not have sex with women they don’t want to have children with, considering once they’ve done what they do with their bodies, it’s not about them anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:19 PM
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Oh please. Women aren’t being handed extra rights, they’re dealing with the fact that pregnancy literally happens inside their body. Biology isn’t a customer service desk where we hand out identical perks to everyone. ‘Just don’t have sex’ applies to men too, by the way. Funny how that suddenly becomes a woman only responsibility in your argument. And abortion isn’t some financial get out of jail free card, it’s a medical procedure because pregnancy, childbirth, and health risks fall 100% on her…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:17 PM
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No one is stopping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:45 PM
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Please show me where men are forced to do these roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 11:24 AM
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Please, list these roles men are forced to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:46 PM
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Calling someone to collect a baby you don’t want to care for is not ‘parental care’. I’d have a duty to call someone if I found a random baby on the street that I had nothing to do with. I’m not providing parental care when I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:34 AM
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The fact that women are less likely to run out on their kids doesn’t make my argument less relevant. If you’re that opposed to paying child support, don’t complete your role in reproduction. That goes for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:37 PM
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It’s not a non argument at all. Women also have to pay child support if they are not the custodial parent and the father is. Men can also not complete their role in reproduction too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:57 PM
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Do you have citation for this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:55 PM
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I do. They do. I know of women that pay child support because they don’t have primary custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:54 PM
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If a woman completes her role in reproduction and the father has full custody, does she not have to pay child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:00 PM
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If a woman completes her role in reproduction and the father has full custody, does she have to pay child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:00 PM
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If a woman completes her role in reproduction and the father has full custody, does she have to pay child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:59 PM
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If a woman completes her role in reproduction and the father has full custody, does she not have to pay child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:59 PM
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Men never have to provide their physical bodies to their children. They don’t even have to give them a drop of blood, even if they’d die without it. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:36 PM
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At least you’re consistent in thinking women and raped girls bodies are public resources and property I guess. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:42 PM
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In terms of sentencing? Yes. In terms of legality? No. It is illegal in every state.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:16 PM
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Murder is illegal nationwide. Worldwide in fact. The sentencing may vary state to state but the legality doesn’t. I think abortion should be legal nationwide.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:25 PM
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Probably because abortion is neither legally nor definitionally murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:39 AM
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The issue would be fighting in a war because that’s the bodily rights infringement.. This is a US centric post so please, give me some legal ways men are forced to provide their bodies to others in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:34 AM
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And the people on the fence won’t be okay with that. If you had two choices, complete ban or legal, which do you think the fence sitters would choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:33 AM
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Disgusting, shouldn’t have happened, glad reforms have come in to play. Signing up to selective service is not a bodily rights infringement. If men were actually forced to fight in a war, it would be. That hasn’t happened in the US since 1972. Abortion wasn’t legal then either. What jobs aren’t women able to do? And who picks these men up and forces them to do it instead? Which countries are people forced to parent? They aren’t in the US (which is the country the original post is about and centr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:02 AM
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Not legally and not by definition it isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:24 AM
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No, rape exceptions are weak. If pro lifers find it uncomfortable to force rape victims to gestate and are okay with ‘murdering’ embryos conceived by rape, they need to look at their viewpoint a little closer. Pro lifers believing in rape exceptions is not the win you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:24 AM
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Then make valid points about a man’s bodily autonomy being violated instead of points that don’t show anything of the sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:21 AM
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So you’re completely incapable of having an adult conversation and just want to insult people that point out the fundamental errors in your arguments instead? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:03 PM
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I’m not interested in exceptions but the fact that you’d waver on giving rape victims the choice points to the fact that there’s something more than just the ‘innocent human life’ of the embryo that you hold your view about. Women and raped children are not public resources. Their bodies belong to them. That is a view I will always hold. It’s incredibly sad that others don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:45 PM
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It’s not a lib argument, it’s a human rights argument. Who is forcing men to work manual labor jobs? Why are you pretending like you can't possibly understand the difference between use of someone's body and use of their time, labor, or money? Do you understand the difference between babysitting and sex work? Do you understand that a judge can sentence someone to pay a penalty or perform community service, but they cannot sentence someone to donate bone marrow? Do you understand that sexual assa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:40 PM
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Why would you do that if your sole focus was the life of the embryo? I’m not a hypocrite, I value both so I stand with both. I don’t think anyone’s body should be used as a public resource regardless of whether they choose to have sex or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:37 PM
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If I hired a hitman, should I be on trial for murder too or just have to face the moral consequences of doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:49 PM
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Pro choicers do value human life. The human lives of women and raped girls. They’re not on this earth to be forcibly bred.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:49 PM
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No one is forcing men to work construction jobs and obviously women would have all the say when it comes to a condition happening to her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:47 PM
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Except it’s not. Not legally and not by definition. There’s no discussion about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:45 PM
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Where are they favoring one gender? It is very common for men to simply not want custody. In 91% of custody cases, the parents mutually decide to give custody to the mother. Fathers fight for custody in court in less than 4% of divorces. 27% of fathers completely abandon their children after divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 05:17 PM
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And only some men don’t have the choice. Why would prevalence matter? Non custodial women pay child support. Just because they’re less likely to be the non custodial parent doesn’t matter. Do you think custodial mothers also don’t pay a lot of money for their children too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:20 AM
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Not always. Not if they suffer with a cryptic pregnancy. Not if they live with their abuser. Not if they’re in a place with abortion bans or they’re underage and their parents won’t consent to it. Many rape victims don’t have a choice. Again, with consensual reproductive acts (ejaculation and gestating to term), should women also have the right to forego child support if they complete gestation and the father takes full custody?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:07 PM
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As would female rape victims. And female rape victims are still forced to coparent with their rapist. Both are wrong. If we’re talking about consensually completing your part in reproduction though, that’s irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:13 PM
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When did I say men shouldn’t have sex? I didn’t. Men can have all the sex they want. You claimed they didn’t have a choice though. They do. There’s a multitude of things men can do to mitigate the risk of impregnating someone whilst still having a healthy sex life. Women don’t get to ‘opt out’ after their reproductive input is complete either, non custodial mothers pay child support, why should men have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:50 AM
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Do women have the right to ‘opt out’ after their part in reproduction is complete? Or is this a right that would only be afforded to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:15 AM
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Men don’t have the choice to say no? They don’t have the choice to ensure they are on the same side as their partner before they have sex with them? They don’t have the choice to wear condoms or get a vasectomy? They don’t have the choice to pull out and not ejaculate inside of someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:12 AM
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My husband is a ‘short man’, it has never bothered me in the slightest. My best friend since school is an even shorter man, he has had many girlfriends since I’ve known him and I’m attending his wedding in September. I know plenty of short men that have found love. The issue isn’t your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:44 PM
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You don’t need to have someone to love to have empathy for others and lack of empathy won’t help you find that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:35 PM
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No she doesn’t. Conception can happen and a pregnancy never exist. Implantation is what causes a pregnancy, which is the woman’s part of reproduction and is not a choice made by her. Ejaculating inside of someone is not a requirement of sex. Men have a choice before their reproductive input ends. So do women. Neither have a choice after the fact. So again, either men and women should both have the choice to opt out after their parts of reproduction are completed or neither should. As it stands. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:16 AM
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What would be equal would be for both parties to have a choice after their part of reproduction is over or neither do. That’s not what you’re advocating for. You’re advocating for men to have a choice after their part of reproduction is over but not women. How’s that equal at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:24 AM
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But it is. Your opinion that it’s a ‘bad choice’ is irrelevant to medical reality. And it’s not murder, legally or definitionally. Never has been. Murder is a crime with specific criteria. That won’t change just because you have emotions about it. Women do pay child support. As do men. And having an abortion isn’t ’getting away with consequences’. The consequence already happened. Men and women are free to have sex with anyone willing to have sex with them. I don’t know why you think willing Lat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:05 AM
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His part would be to choose not to leave sperm inside someone’s vagina. If he decides to do that, then yeah he’d be responsible unless given up for adoption or any other avenue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:44 AM
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Not unless she also gets that choice after her part of reproduction is over too. Which she doesn’t. Because absent mothers also pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:03 AM
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But they’re completely different things. No one is trying to forcefully stop men from having sex, they just need to find a consenting partner. There is no bodily rights infringement on the man if someone won’t have sex with him. People are trying to stop women from having abortions. That is a bodily rights infringement on the woman. And has nothing to do with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:02 AM
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Do you truly believe pregnancy and birth are just a mere inconvenience and not major life and medical events?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:50 AM
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Abortion isn’t murder, legally or definitionally. It is objectively, medically healthcare though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:49 AM
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You think denying others the unwanted access of our bodies is ‘weirdly selfish’?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:45 AM
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His part of reproduction is over at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:43 AM
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You understand that pregnancy is not sex, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:39 AM
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They do have responsibility. For the pregnancy itself. Again, each party is responsible for their own part in reproduction and each party cannot back out of the financial obligation once their part in reproduction has ended.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:28 AM
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Women can stop their part of reproduction happening, men can stop theirs. If a woman isn’t particularly bothered about being financially liable but a man is, it’s up to him to protect himself from that. The same goes the other way. No red herrings. Both parties are responsible for their own part to play in reproduction and they can’t then whine about it if they made the choice to finish theirs and are now financially liable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:22 PM
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Whether or not a man ejaculates inside of someone is his action and his choice on whether or not to do it. Any person that successfully finishes their part in reproduction is financially liable. That’s true of either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 11:30 AM
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We’re not talking about being pregnant, we’re talking about child support, which happens after the fact. Again, women do not control when/where a man ejaculates. He does. Each party have their own part to play in reproduction that they are responsible for. One party ejaculates, the other party gestates. Once both parties have finished their part in the reproductive process, both parties are financially liable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 10:52 AM
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I never said sex was mandatory but sex in and of itself does not cause pregnancy. You can have all the sex in the world, as long as ejaculate doesn’t get inside a vagina, no pregnancy. If you are a man and you do not want to pay child support, don’t do your part of reproduction. It’s common sense. Women also can’t do their part of reproduction and get off paying child support either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 10:12 AM
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She’s not responsible for a man kick starting her reproductive process by his decision to ejaculate inside of her. Again, ejaculating inside of someone is not mandatory, it is a choice made by the man. There are plenty of other places to ejaculate outside of the vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:56 AM
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I never said she wasn’t responsible for unprotected sex, I said she wasn’t responsible for ejaculating. Because she isn’t. That is an action a man does and a man can stop from happening inside of someone else. Again, men are not mindless robots, they are fully grown adults with their own choice making abilities and if they don’t want to ejaculate inside of someone, they’re more than capable of not doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:49 AM
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Right. But the ejaculation part is the choice of one person, not both. Can men not say no? The "woman's role" in reproduction is ovulation and gestation, both processes she does not directly control. Men's role is insemination, which they have conscious control of. Unless you think women mind-control men into ejaculating, since you clearly don't think men have any say in their own conscious actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:11 AM
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Ejaculating inside of someone else is not mandatory, it is an action a man chooses to take. Blaming a woman for the actions of a man is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:55 PM
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Do you think men are completely passive when it comes to sex? They’re just mindless robots with absolutely no thought process making capabilities or ability to control their own part to play in reproduction? Women have zero control over ovulation. Men know when they’re going to ejaculate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:13 PM
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Lol, what? Sperm comes from a man. It is a man’s action that causes it. Trying to blame women for that is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:34 PM
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Again… women do not make the decision for men to leave sperm inside of them, men do. That is their choice. They are more than capable of saying no or, like you said, moving her off. Which he wouldn’t really need to do if he was wearing a condom anyway because that’ll, more often than not, keep him safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:24 PM
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Both parties are responsible for their own birth control. Women aren’t responsible for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:01 AM
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Women don’t choose for men to leave sperm inside of them, that is a choice he makes. She could beg until she’s blue in the face, it’s still up to him whether or not that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:52 AM
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Do you think similar things don’t happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:50 AM
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A direct consequence of not ejaculating inside women who don’t agree with abortion is not paying child support. Works both ways. Again, fathers can use safe havens and have to agree to adoption. Women having sex doesn’t cause pregnancy. Sperm does. Women can have sex with hundreds of men and never get pregnant if no sperm gets inside her vagina. It’s not a pro life argument at all. If a woman was complaining about paying child support when she chose to go through with the pregnancy, I’d be sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:24 PM
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Abortion is not opting out of child support, it’s opting out of pregnancy/birth. A man can also opt out of child support by not ejaculating inside women who don’t want to abort. FYI, fathers can also use safe havens and have to agree to adoptions. And in the US, if a woman is raped and gives birth to her rapists child, her rapist can file for visitation rights and she could end up sharing custody with her rapist. Looks like both of those laws need looking in to and changing, doesn’t it? How is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:48 PM
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Abortion is healthcare for the woman. Child support is a financial obligation that isn’t gendered. Both parents are financially liable for their children. The child support is also not for the mother, it’s for the child. Reproduction works differently for men and women. A man’s part to play in reproduction ends at ejaculation, a woman’s ends at birth. Both are responsible for their own parts. Why is it such a wild notion that men should be careful with who they have sex with, and with their ejac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:36 AM
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Are you under the impression that natural things can’t be harmful? Lol. Tell me, how else would you stop an embryo harming your body without it dying? You clearly didn’t read anything I wrote. Still bleating on about neglect and completely ignoring the physical harms of pregnancy and birth, not to mention the fact that parental responsibilities are explicitly chosen and can be forfeited. Yawn. We’ve already been through what accountability means and how you not liking something doesn’t mean it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 12:09 AM
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I never said all pregnancies were fatal. Some are though and 100% of them cause harm. That’s objective, medical fact. Stopping someone harmfully using your body ≠ neglecting a born child… there are a myriad of options available if you don’t want to parent your child. You don’t even have to parent your child. If you take on the legal responsibility of parenting your child (because it is a choice, it is not forced) then you are required, by law, not to neglect them. Women do not choose pregnancy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:36 PM
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It’s objective medical fact that pregnancy and birth cause harm 100% of the time. Whether you want to remain in denial about that or not is up to you. Why do you think they have an entire branch of medicine dedicated to it? Why do you think women are strongly encouraged to get prenatal care? Why do you think they’re strongly discouraged from birthing without a medical professional present? Why do you think women are still dying, even with modern medicine? Pregnancy being natural doesn’t mean it …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 11:27 AM
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If anyone else was tearing your genitals, causing a dinner plated sized internal wound, siphoning your bodily nutrients and causing you to lose at least 500ml of blood and threatening to slice open your abdomen, you’d absolutely be within your right to kill the person doing that if it was the only way to get them to stop, innocent or otherwise. Is it not? And women can have a medical procedure that stops her part of reproduction so she doesn’t have to go through pregnancy and birth. Just like me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:42 PM
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100% of pregnancies and births cause physical and medical harm, that’s just objective fact. If you want to be in denial of that, it’s up to you. Abortion factually, legally isn’t murder either. But it does. You can get pregnant without having sex. Lol. Lack of accountability? When all you’ve done is try to point the blame at the woman for the man ejaculating inside of her? Women don’t ejaculate. Men do. Men are fully capable of not ejaculating inside of someone. Are you trying to claim otherwise…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 02:18 PM
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Ending a risky condition happening to your body that you know you’re not physically or mentally equipped to cope with is absolutely responsible. Stopping someone else harmfully using your body when you don’t want them to is absolutely responsible. Responsibility doesn’t mean whatever you says goes. See, conversations about child support in the context of abortion are always ultimately an argument where men whine about it being unfair that only the pregnant person gets to make a decision about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:45 PM
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Women take accountability for their unwanted pregnancies by aborting them. That is their part of reproduction that they have control over. A man’s part of reproduction that he has control over is ejaculation. That’s pretty common knowledge if you did any form of sex education. And women are the ones that have the choice to abort or not if a pregnancy occurs, because it’s HER part of reproduction happening to HER body. If a man doesn’t want to risk getting someone pregnant, he needs to take respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:53 PM
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No sperm, no risk of pregnancy. That’s how it works. Women can’t abort their parental responsibilities, they abort their pregnancies. Which is a reproductive condition happening to their body. Not once have I said men can’t have sex. They can have sex all they want. What they SHOULDN’T do, if they don’t want to risk engendering an unwanted pregnancy, is ejaculate inside someone. Again, it’s not a requirement for sex. Ejaculation is a man’s action, not a woman’s. If a man ejaculates inside a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:04 PM
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But that’s a woman’s part of reproduction. It’s happening to her body, and harmfully at that. That’s why. Men have the right to stop their part of reproduction which happens to their bodies too, theirs just happens first, which isn’t a woman’s fault. If humans grew externally in eggs, it wouldn’t be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:48 PM
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I’m not being obtuse at all, you just can’t cope with the fact that men should take better care of their own part of reproduction. Which is ejaculation. They can have all the sex they want, ejaculating inside of someone is not a requirement and never has been. It’s very easy not to cum inside someone. Men just don’t care enough not to do it, they’d rather sit on Reddit and whine about child support. Women don’t ‘let’ men nut in them. It’s a man’s action, not a woman’s. Blaming women for the acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 03:23 PM
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Except they don’t… men get the same chances women do. Say no to sex or take control of their own part in reproduction and don’t ejaculate inside of people. Women can say no to sex or take control of their own part of reproduction and abort. Ejaculating inside of someone is not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:09 AM
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Men can say no to sex and also say no to ejaculating inside someone else’s vagina if they did. Men have two chances to not become a potential deadbeat. Ejaculating inside of someone is not mandatory, it’s a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:01 AM
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He DID have the chance to not become a father. He had the chance to control HIS part of reproduction. No sperm, no pregnancy. Women who abandon their born children are also deadbeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:38 PM
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Because pregnancy is her part of reproduction happening to her body that she controls… just like ejaculation is a man’s part of reproduction that he controls. Men don’t get to demand control over women’s bodies because they didn’t take care in controlling their own. That’s not how it works. If I hired a surrogate and then decided halfway through that I wanted her to have an abortion, she could say no. Because it’s her body. And she wouldn’t be legally obligated to either. On the flip side, she c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 04:23 PM
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You didn’t claim it was a result of consensual sexual encounters, you claimed it was a result of ‘a chick getting drunk or horny one night, having sex, and then regretting it afterwards’. People don’t regret the sex they had when they seek an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:21 PM
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Murder is a legal term with specific criteria that abortion has never met. When it comes to legal terms, the law absolutely makes the rules. Still factually, legally not murder, despite your denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:13 PM
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That’s not evidenced at all and you’ve not proven otherwise. It’s funny that you’re pinpointing all the blame of unwanted pregnancies on women too, as if it’s not men also participating that cause them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:04 PM
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Abortion factually, legally isn’t murder so, not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:54 PM
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For ‘almost every case of abortion is a chick getting drunk or horny one night, having sex, and then regretting it afterwards’
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:53 PM
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Yeah… because he’s not the one who is pregnant. His part of reproduction is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:07 PM
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What does baby murder have to do with abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:06 PM
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Abortion factually, legally isn’t murder though so no, they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:05 PM
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Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:03 PM
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Absent mothers also pay child support though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:03 PM
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Correct. Also, child support isn’t about the rights of the parents (non custodial mothers also pay it), it’s about the rights of the child. If non custodial parents didn’t pay child support, it would fall on tax payers to foot the bill and, as you can imagine, most are not in favour of that. Comparing a medical procedure to a legal financial obligation is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:40 PM
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That’s the entire point… it’s inside HER BODY. Therefore, she has the right to remove it if she wishes to. Just like men have the right to stop others accessing their bodies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:38 PM
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Honestly, this is where men need to take more responsibility in their part of reproduction. If they don’t agree with abortion, they need to make sure they’re not having sex with pro choice women who don’t want to be pregnant, use their own condoms and pull out before ejaculation. If a woman lies about using birth control and he doesn’t wear a condom, it’s also on him for not using birth control too. They do not get a say in what happens to another persons body or their medical decisions. A man’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:36 PM
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You’re literally the one that ejaculates… you’re trying to pin blame on someone for not wearing a bullet proof vest when you’re the one shooting bullets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 07:25 PM
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Lol. Do you think all men pay child support? Because the statistic for the US is that 42% of child support orders are paid in full on time as ordered. 25% are not paid at all. The remainder are delinquent in some manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 07:24 PM
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Do women have any conscious control over ovulation, conception or implantation? Do men have conscious control over where they ejaculate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:39 PM
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Both men and women have a say in their own reproductive processes and their bodies. A man’s ends at ejaculation, a woman’s at birth. Before then, they can both stop it. Women do not control where men ejaculate, men do. Men do not control whether or not a woman gestates, women do. Once a child has been born, as OP stated, either the absent parent pays the child support (gender irrelevant, absent mothers pay it too) or taxpayers do. It’s not good for society if children are growing up in poverty, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:35 PM
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Absent mothers pay child support too
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:29 PM
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Women’s bodies aren’t food, clothing or education though. Women are people. People don’t control whether conception and implantation happen either. That’s not even remotely similar to my logic whatsoever. Are we obligated to give homeless people access to our bodies? We’re not even obligated to give them food. If a fetus is a person then it needs consent to be intimately using someone else’s body. If that consent is not given, or is revoked, then they do not have the right to carry on and will b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 01:40 PM
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Do you not think needing plasma/blood/organs is looking after the general well-being of your child? What if the condition is genetic? They absolutely caused that. Again, it’s absolutely a manufactured consequence because we have the safe means to end pregnancies. Banning it is manufactured. There is no getting around that so you may as well just admit it. If I truly thought that abortion was murder, I’d have no issue in admitting that I manufactured a consequence to ban it. I don’t understand wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:02 PM
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It’s the entire basis of YOUR beliefs that embryos/Fetuses are innocent and deserving of protections no one else has UNLESS their conception happened because of rape? Lol. Really consistent…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:58 PM
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The reason child support exist (and is applicable to both parents), is because it’s the child’s right, not the parents. It would be a societal negative not to ensure children were supported, I think everyone will agree they don’t want children starving or homeless. If child support wasn’t implemented, it would fall on tax payers to foot the bill so that didn’t happen. Abortion is a completely separate issue. Women aren’t opting out of parenting when they have an abortion, they’re opting out of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 11:23 AM
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The responsibility DOESN’T exist. It never has. Do you think it should be legally enforced that parents have to give their children organs, blood or plasma they need if they’re a match? After all, they’re responsible for them. I don’t believe anyone’s life should be protected if it means forcing the usage of someone else’s body to sustain it. That’s not something I only think of embryos and fetuses. Abortion bans are absolutely a manufactured consequence. That’s undeniable. I don’t think you und…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:02 PM
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It’s not morally relevant if the entire basis of your ideology was the ‘innocence’, ‘life’ and ‘value’ of an embryo/fetus. Embryos/Fetuses conceived via rape are biologically no different from any other. Rape exceptions prove that it’s nothing to do with the embryo/fetus and everything to do with punishing women for having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:57 PM
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Yes they are. Pregnancy may sometimes be a natural consequence of sex but forcing women to remain pregnant, because of a supposed responsibility that doesn’t exist, is a manufactured consequence based on punishment. It’s not a natural responsibility though, that’s the point. It’s completely manufactured. That didn’t explain anything. Why would the concept of responsibility mean a woman had to gestate, at the detriment of her health, when she didn’t want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:55 PM
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In my own experience, it’s not even really just men, it’s pro lifers in general. You only need to get about 2/3 comments in before they bring up sex. Which is irrelevant if your view is that the fetus is ‘innocent’ and ‘valuable’. Not to mention the fact a large portion of them have rape exceptions, which, again, shouldn’t matter if it was actually anything to do with the embryo/fetus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:53 PM
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How does the concept of personal responsibility render abortion unjustified? At least they’re honest I guess. It’s got nothing to do with the embryo/fetus and everything to do with manufacturing a consequence as punishment for women who dare to have sex without the want to be pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:51 PM
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9 in 10 are pro choice
/r/MensRights15/12/23 03:04 PM
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I’d imagine in 50+ years, once the older generations are gone, the pro choice viewpoint would probably mirror that of the UK.
/r/MensRights15/12/23 02:49 PM
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Interestingly though, people that abortion actually effects are very largely pro choice. 18-29, 64% PC compared to 29% pro life (largest gap) and then 30-49, 56% vs 41%. It’s the older generations that tend to be more pro life.
/r/MensRights15/12/23 11:19 AM
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