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LOL, you keep trying to come up with a scenario where a younger woman will pick an older guy. "So you think the average young woman would rather date a guy who looks like Jack Gleeson than Gerald Butler?" A Gerard Butler closer to her age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 12:02 AM
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What evidence do you have they're "settling for lower and lower"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 03:39 AM
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Assuming the risk is low for a single condition, it is still higher compared to a younger man. Furthermore, we're dealing with multiple issues; it isn't just an increased risk for Down Syndrome but also stillbirth. It isn't just the risk Down Syndrome and stillbirth but a decrease in sperm motility, and it isn't just a decrease in sperm motility but volume. Then on top of that there's less of a chance he can even impregnate her. Think of this from the pregnant person's perspective: even if the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 03:34 AM
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Older men aren't in competition with older women, though. They're in competition with younger men. And Red Pillers don't even acknowledge the male biological clock (among other things) and over-state the female one. I even saw a man on here say a woman is "practically barren" at 40 despite more than 100,000 a year births by American women in their 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 03:06 AM
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"This is correct, but is also the point I made above: unlike women, 50 year old men can theoretically outcompete far younger specimen of their sex." We're going to disagree here. But even so, why cling to something that only happens in theory? "Pit a guy who at his prime was a 10/10 pretty much across the board (genes, physical fitness, looks etc.) and has stayed in shape reasonably well against a doughy 25 year old pencil-pusher who wouldn't last a minute in a fight with him. Who would from an …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 02:56 AM
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LOL, you accuse me of dishonesty and moving goalposts? "oh and the topic of the thread is literally about men in their 30s." Oh but I literally was responding to a comment that literally said guys in their 40s were getting 18 year olds. You inserted yourself at some point and shifted the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:27 AM
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Off the top of my head, Madonna, Courtney Cox, Sigourney Weaver come to mind. They have dated multiple younger men and may still currently be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 02:42 AM
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Chances are he's not going to get the younger model.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:17 PM
4

Also schizophrenia, Down Syndrome, and stillbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:13 PM
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But older men aren't in competition with older women, they're in competition with younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:11 PM
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The poster is correct about sperm decline though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:09 PM
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You see women choosing younger men when they're in those positions, too, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:07 PM
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Gee how are these older women getting all these men if they have nothing to offer? Do Red Pill guys go outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:05 PM
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I went to Cambodia too! Gorgeous people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:00 PM
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Of course The Wall is a revenge fantasy. You can't see a biological clock so I don't buy that rationalization, plus a lot of men and women don't want children (like me!). Also, men have a biological clock too, plus they deal with balding and their testosterone peaks at age 18...looong before anything starts happening to a woman. Women aren't socialized to prioritize youth/youngness in men but it doesn't mean we can't recognize that a 24 year old man is tighter-bodied and appealing in a raw sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:58 PM
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Not anymore from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:15 AM
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I said you linked me to one article by a known pos with an agenda, and she talks to a couple, maybe three women, in their 30s. Not exactly "so many women." It also focuses on upper middle-class, white collar types. Also, the men in the article are in their 30s, not 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:03 AM
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"...so many women" You linked me to one article, by Bettina Arndt (LOL!), that is mostly opinion-driven and cites the manosphere. Also, the dude was only 36. Most women in their 20s date men their own age. Period. I'm sure there are "vapid and immature" people in their 20s just as there are at any other age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 04:14 AM
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"Known fact," huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 12:20 AM
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I'm similar. Minimal makeup but emphasis on skin care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:30 PM
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I only wear mascara (a special kind cause I'm allergic), lip gloss, and on special occasions eye liner. I've gotten in trouble at work for not wearing makeup. Men don't understand the pressure and consequences women face when it comes to makeup. It's a whole thing Red Pillers don't get. No, I don't judge a guy by the standards of someone with makeup on, LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:26 PM
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Because AFBB isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:16 PM
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It's all bullshit. Red Pillers will move the goalposts to make any scenario fit into their ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:07 PM
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They move the goalposts for what "alpha" and "beta" means depending on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:03 PM
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See how they move the goalposts to fit each situation? It's all bullshit. "Beta" and "alpha" can mean whatever the angry male observer wants it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:02 PM
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Nothing in the OP proves AFBB. Its all a superficial observation of other people lacking any nuance or understanding of their feelings and motives or details of what actually went on. Only the (angry male) observer gets to decide who is "alpha" and "beta," he alone gets to decide what motivated the woman and what she sees in him. Seriously, watch how quickly the goalposts move for what constitutes as "alpha" or "beta" given the situation. The only thing that happened is a woman was gasp with mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:56 PM
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No, most men in their 40s aren't getting women in their 20s, either. Younger women aren't vapid and immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:00 AM
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I just want him to be able to support himself/stability and be wise with money, good priorities, etc. I'm working-class and from a working-class background. Perhaps if I wanted kids it'd be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:54 AM
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I know what you said. I mean even after taking care of themselves and having their shit together the overwhelming majority of 40s men won't be getting 18 year olds. Easily 97%+ won't. And when they do the women likely have unhealthy trauma/mental health/father issues that makes such an arrangement attractive to them, or they're just gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:38 AM
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Lol, 95%+ of 40 year old men aren't getting 18 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:29 AM
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You mean Trump's kid who is likely autistic? Is there any info on the others or are we just taking it at face value not only that the offspring have no issues but that the men impregnated their partners naturally and with their own sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:22 AM
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Not only autism but schizophrenia, Down Syndrome, and stillbirth, and decreased pregnancy rates compared to younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:20 AM
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"Because they can." Nice dodge! Studies show a relationship between older paternal age and schizophrenia, also Down Syndrome (https://www.ias.ac.in/article/fulltext/jgen/088/01/0001-0007), and an increase in stillbirth by men over 45 (http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/s12958-015-0028-x.pdf , https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11172821/). It also takes much less time for a younger man's sperm to impregnate a woman versus an older man's. They cap at 35 for the same reason they have other…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:06 AM
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You sound awfully entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 01:16 AM
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Alphas and betas aren't a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:52 PM
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It's likely less than 5%-10%. It isn't anything significant. You're continuing to forget there will be less "single" men that age compared to women because men have started dying off by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:17 AM
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This isn't true at all, abortion has been around since ancient times. If a woman wanted to induce abortion she could. Why would human sexuality be a "relic" of a different time anyway? You're speaking as if what you're saying is factual but you've provided zero evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 08:33 PM
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That's also because men start dying more than us at age 40-50. Also, the overwhelming majority of 50 year old men are not dating younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:52 PM
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1) She can mate with one, she just can't be impregnated. 2) She can abort the fetus. You're also not considering birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:23 PM
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My friend doesn't go to "the club."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:20 PM
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She moved on from him cause she's got an official dude now. Unless of course she's seeing them both, I didn't ask. Red Pill guys always obsess over the Revenge Fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:19 PM
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1) Sure women are stuck with pregnancy but any woman can abort the fetus, or abandon the baby once born. You're omitting the fact that women have done both of this throughout history. 2) Men have their own biological clock: testosterone peaks at 18; studies show a relationship between older paternal age and schizophrenia and Down Syndrome (https://www.ias.ac.in/article/fulltext/jgen/088/01/0001-0007), and an increased risk in stillbirth by men over 45 (http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/s1…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 08:49 AM
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My Gen X friend (pretty skinny blond, about 50) showed me a picture of her "29 year old boy toy" when we hung out. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 08:24 AM
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This makes no sense. In either case she'd be stuck pregnant for nine months. And do you have any sources that this how we "evolved"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:53 AM
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Older men (we're talking 15 years) with money may be more likely to pull a younger woman but most still can't. And the younger women they attract tend to have issues or only care about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:22 AM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:38 AM
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TRP says women are selfish, fickle, shallow, illogical, unintelligent, incapable of love, and childish. TRP hates women. They just cling to plausible deniability, unlike more blatant incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 04:42 AM
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"Rollo" has me blocked but I found this! https://twentytwowords.com/the-internet-just-skewered-this-racist-man-for-claiming-a-famous-work-of-art-was-made-by-a-white-male-spoiler-alert-it-wasnt/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 03:46 AM
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Men aren't evil, that's silly. I don't really even believe in evil anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 03:39 AM
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Because in the end the dad ends up with a family and a career but the mom just ends up with a family. Plus if they're parents they both "sacrificed" their freedom, LOL. Also, why does the mom have to be "the female partner" but the dad gets to be a dad?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 03:34 AM
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Right! Only men can have a career and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 03:30 AM
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Cringey, a complete turn off. I'm not trying to think of my dad during sexy time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 12:46 AM
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Red Pillers sure can spew a lot of hot ass garbage. Lordy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:51 PM
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Yes Red Pillers clearly hate women and teach men to hate women then cling to plausible deniability, ie., "I don't hate women, I'm just pointing out their nature...which is to be selfish, childish, shallow, and fickle! Also, hypergamy!" Of course they make big claims about women's "nature" without backing it up with any kind of big evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:11 PM
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I've seen "Rollo" get owned on Twitter a couple times and it was hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:56 AM
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Don't forget about the male biological clock.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:29 AM
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Yes let's pin everything on some goofy reality show.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:17 AM
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1) Women "gatekeeping" reproduction is socially constructed and not even always the case. It's also unfair to put that on women, and it assumes men are too stupid/incapable/incompetent to make good reproductive decisions. "From the perspective of evolutionary biology..." Are you an evolutionary biologist? Cause the field is controversial and sketchy as it is since they're all unprovable hypotheses made in hindsight to explain away social norms. I know the Red Pill guru dorks like to pretend to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:11 AM
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No. More Red Pill Nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:48 AM
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This isn't at all surprising, the Red Pill is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:40 AM
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Hahaha, Red Pill guys are such dorks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 01:43 AM
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Neither, I don't want kids. I'm a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 01:29 AM
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"I've managed to get you to come down the rabbit hole, :D." No answer? Didn't think so. ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 01:27 AM
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"Man, I feel bad for you." Duly noted. "That's awfully specific. You trying to tell me something?" So I take it nobody ever told you how obvious it is when you're trying to avoid something, LOL. "Indeed honey. I thoroughly enjoy a trainwreck." Well you're very good at it, muffin.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 12:57 AM
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"Well let me think, you tend to become a much less attractive prospect the longer your rap sheet is?" What does a "rap sheet" have to do with not getting married because it would be a bad decision? "Uh huh. I'm sure you know all about being a man. I'd love to hear your stories some day." Who said anything about being a man? Revenge fantasies aren't gender specific, and are you really going to argue white collar guys in their 20s are throwing themselves for marriage at women who scrub their urine…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 12:42 AM
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"This has... what to do precisely with my point?" You saying there are "a ton of good men in the lower classes." 'Good' has nothing to do with it. Figure it out. "Not if being poor and destitute is a result of your bad decisions." What does that have to do with not getting married? "Dear, these women make a mockery of themselves. Had they more respect for themselves they’d take the advice of men who know better. If you make yourself undignified and undeserving of respect, expect to receive none.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 12:17 AM
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"This is completely idiotic. Unless you define a good man as someone who’s independently wealthy, there’s a ton of good men in the lower classes." Whether they're "good" or not is beside the point. Poverty is not only expensive and stressful but it exacerbates and complicates issues like addiction, mental health problems, trying to meet gender roles, having and raising children, etc. So for many poor and low-income women (who have watched early marriages among or male AND female peers crumble fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:00 PM
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Who cares if they didn't "settle down"? There can be all sorts of reasons. Red Pill men are obsessed about it cause they fantasize these women are now "suffering" for not choosing them in their 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:43 PM
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Did it ever occur to you that some women just like "biker types" and may have more in common with them than what you see on the surface, and women who were targeted by manipulators early on? Manipulative men charm everyone, including men. Women are just (usually) the ones they have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:39 PM
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The snobbery/classism and sheltered nature of Red Pill men is always apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:33 PM
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I'm so happy someone pointed out this class issue with low-income women and Red Pill nonsense! This is a huge chunk of why 99.9% of what Red Pill men proclaim about the world and "biology" means zip in terms of my life and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 08:59 PM
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The carousel isn't a thing, not really. Red Pill guys call any type of dating and any type of sex women do "riding the carousel" cause it's not with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 08:53 PM
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Ugh hypergamy as defined by the RP isn't real. They claim it's a biological, universal truth but give zero real evidence for that. Truth is people in general will go for the best they can possibly get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:11 AM
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Ugh, no. Just, no. I don't need melodrama. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 01:07 AM
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Certain women are, sure. For the same reason men like "dangerous" things/activities: fun. Also, they usually aren't directly attracted to danger perse, just traits associated. Also, one thing a lot of Red Pill and Poor Me men neglect to consider is that the woman attracted to the "dangerous" man may likely be "dangerous" herself (but also hot so you're attracted to her).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 12:43 AM
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Overwhelmingly, they don't. Three-five, even eight years isn't really an older man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 12:04 AM
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Ummm, because you live and learn? Then you pass that info on? Red Pill men have a hard time grasping that women are people who make mistakes and gain knowledge through experience and live and learn just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 11:59 PM
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is actually a thing that happened... Based on experience I can see women warning younger women that certain types of immature and/or manipulative older men often prey on younger women. I dated an older guy in my 20s; he was emotionally immature and mislead (and lied to) me about his life to cast himself as the victim. Then he'd do something crappy, not want to confront it, and then play the victim. I'd never seen anything like it. So yeah. Women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 11:53 PM
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1) Their "SMV" doesn't necessarily rise 2) The idea young women will want them is a Red Pill revenge fantasy. Of course there will be the young women into older guys with money here and there, but 99% of these dudes are dreaming. I've rejected guys cause of their careers - one basically threw people out of their homes cause they couldn't pay. Another was a cop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 05:57 AM
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Whatever you want to call what Red Pillers claim is "women's sexual nature," is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:20 AM
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Sounds like something a bitter guy who thinks he's "good" would say. Hypergamy is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:17 AM
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No True Scotsman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 02:58 AM
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Hypergamy is not a "biological imperative," it's just Red Pill nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:04 PM
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My friend/coworker (39-40) was just proposed to by her 35 year old boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 01:18 AM
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I don't see what the big deal is. It's a fantasy, a kink. Not a contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 10:40 PM
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Of course it's a convenient myth. To RPers, basically any kind of sex or dating a woman does in her 20s is the carousel. That way they're right no matter what unless she literally doesn't date like a normal human or have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:17 AM
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"In men's faces" LOL okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 04:30 AM
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"Bad boys" does not = "assholes." In fact a bad boy can mean many things, depending on who is saying it. Though certain people can be attracted to assholes, often because of bad patterns or trauma from early life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 04:24 AM
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No. And I don't want kids so I don't care about that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 03:43 AM
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Alphas and betas aren't things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 11:27 PM
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The Red Pill anger with pretty women who post pictures of themselves online is obsessive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 02:38 AM
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I've never been asked about my n-count, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:02 AM
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"It doesn't matter what women pick after early middle age, men get a lot more power in the dynamic. I'm sure women would want to pick like aged men. Men are picking like aged women less at those ages." This was about 20 year old women choosing men around their own age. You're just trying to throw caveats into your "women want status" rule. You can claim men "get more power" (whatever that means) all you want. Couples remain around each other's age more often than not. And trying to re-argue The …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:45 AM
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It's natural for people to still want others sexually or find them sexually attractive. I find other men (and women, I'm bi) sexually attractive too. Doesn't mean I'm going to cheat, or he will. Why should I be mad? I don't subscribe to Red Pill beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 01:08 AM
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Very good?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 12:15 AM
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"Simple. They pick potential in younger mates. This is why the unemployed student at 20 has no stigma and the same type of guy at 30 does unless he's finishing his doctorate/residency." This doesn't really answer her question though. 20 year old women - and women in general - still pick men within their own age group. "You mean pre-wall.... remember we are talking about post wall." The Wall doesn't exist. "And engineers but no one is making a choice on random autism." Not just autism. Studies al…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:47 PM
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Hypergamy, at least how the Red Pill have co-opted it, is made-up and not a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 05:58 PM
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The Wall is just a Red Pill Revenge Fantasy, it isn't real. Just take care of your skin (protect from that sun!) and try to eat a healthy, balanced diet, and you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 05:56 PM
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Except it was exclusively men I saw. For your first link, it says nothing about pair bonding. Some conservative think tank found a correlation between multiple sex partners and their own admittedly arbitrary idea of "bad/unhappy" marriages. It wasn't peer reviewed, and correlation doesn't show causation. In your second link it says nothing about it only applying to women, and they're extrapolating from animals to humans due to some similarities. Which, fine. But it's not too compelling. Like I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:23 AM
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1) Alphas aren't a thing 2) I tend to have sex mostly because I desire the physical feeling and hope it'll be pleasurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:06 AM
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That's one of the Red Pill dogmas they repeat when they can't justify something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:00 AM
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""I'm tired of playing games, not here for hookups". When have you ever seen a guy post something like that. It's because we can fuck a ton of women and never really mess with our abilities to pair bond." Are you serious right now? I see this pretty regularly with OLD. Almost that exact working too. I just took a look at that link you posted. The pair bonding claim is more Red Pill nonsense too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 01:57 AM
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Completely agree! Chris Whatever (LOL!) is blandly attractive. But I'm not attracted to him and certainly don't find him hot. In fact like many women who joke on Twitter I can't even tell the difference between Chris Whatever and the other Chrises, hahahaaa.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 02:01 AM
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Never understood the appeal of Brad Pitt. Or Tom Cruise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:57 AM
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I have the same issue. TRP makes a shallow observation about some interaction that took place then think they know everything about the person because "Alpha" or "Beta" or "hypergamy" or other such Red Pill nonsense. Usually toward women but yes men too and it's nice to see someone pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:31 AM
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And you don't think it's also about being "wanted" for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 01:17 AM
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Seriously, RP guys think waaay too much into this. On top of that they're complete pearl-clutching prudes and slut-shamers about it. I've had fantasies of being dominated, though I've also had fantasies about dominating and edging men. Women have multiple fantasies. There's also dominatrixes and entire porn genres dedicated to women dominating men that men (and women) like, but Red Pills guys don't like to talk about that. Nor do they engage in any armchair "evolutionary biology/psychology" base…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 12:59 AM
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Red Pillers delude themselves into thinking men become more physically and sexually attractive as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 10:11 PM
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Alpha/beta is all arbitrary crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:34 PM
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Even if the guy has to pay child support for the child he helped create the mother is still going to be in the financial situation she was in before the baby, likely worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:07 AM
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Apples to oranges. People tell women, "you should've kept your legs closed" to deny her right to bodily autonomy and make forced birth/delivering a baby her consequence for sex. On the other hand, nobody is denying a man's right to condoms or a vasectomy or pulling out or whatever responsibility for his part entails (obviously he can't have an abortion). They're simply acknowledging the reality of where his role in the reproductive process ends. Once he chooses to pass that sperm into her body b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 08:45 AM
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