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Sure... The guy who has confidence in him self and is going after what he wants is more pathetic than someone who just rolls over at a mild annoyance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:01 PM
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Thank you for indicating you have no interest in an actual conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:58 PM
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"Why is the gender that is socially expected to be confident, assertive, and forward while going for exactly what they want always being overbearing, relentless and going for what they want?" Is this really a source of confusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:49 PM
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More pathetic than being annoyed into doing something you don't want to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:44 PM
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Because he owes women nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:42 PM
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"Men would rather believe their lived experiences than take everything a woman says at face value."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:39 PM
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Women can do a lot of things that they just choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:34 PM
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And you perfectly demonstrated my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:00 PM
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Women, at large, seem incapable of understanding how their preferred method of being approached and courted incentivises men to disregard women's comfort. Many men caught on to this when we were lectured by feminists early in life, which is why so many men aren't approaching, or have trouble with confidence. But so many women just can't/don't/won't try to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:01 PM
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Got it. You want men to never talk about anything that troubles them, especially if it might make women feel bad. Men shouldn't discuss feelings. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:17 PM
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Quite the assumption I'm out there calling women sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:31 AM
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Why do you give a fuck about what other people think? People love to call men out for doing/not doing something because of perceived negative opinions. Even if that possible opinion is being thought of as a creep, letch, or predator. But men are supposed to understand the fear of... looking like they enjoy sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:42 PM
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Just because you phrase it a certain way doesn't change the underlying dynamics. You are saying men should assertively and confidently get the attention of, flirt with, approach and proposition as many women as they possibly can because women are passive, reactive beings who don't have their own opinions that aren't created by a man performing for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:00 PM
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I mean, it's just another way of saying women are prizes men compete for. Just another way of saying men need to keep performing their gender roles while never expecting anything from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:44 PM
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Yeah, fuck that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:11 PM
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You don't see how they're correlated at all? Of course one woman being more forward doesn't change society. But after years of telling guys "you aren't entitled to a woman's attention, they aren't passive objects just waiting for a man" we're racing back to "if you want a girlfriend and not be alone until you die then it's up to you and only you to get the attention of the most women you can and try to shoot your shot, and flirt and make moves with as many as you can. And btw women love confiden…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:42 PM
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If only women could band together and stand up for their right to express their sexuality. Get the public to see women as independent, and able to control their reproduction. Maybe we could call it a Sexual War? Or maybe a Feminine Revolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:20 PM
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Then all women need to accept that this dynamic is what causes so many of women's issues with getting unwanted attention, sexualization and all that and just accept that's part of life. If women have no reason to introspect on their behaviors and how it affects men, then men have no reason to be concerned about how they make women feel. And just because this sub is this sub, no I'm not saying men should SA. But things like objectification, the male gaze, pushing boundaries? Get da fuck outta her…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:10 PM
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Why do you have such misandry? If you hate men just don't date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:57 PM
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Huh. I thought we were supposed to be better than our biology, to not use history or this is how things have always been as an excuse for actions? Especially actions that hurt other people? Or does that only apply to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:54 PM
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If only reddit had a feature where you could look at a person's history, so when they mention old threads you could easily find them......
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:32 PM
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I mean, you just perfectly demonstrated the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:30 PM
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Especially when a lot of women here love to denigrate men by pointing out how shitty their social skills when women aren't expected to have those same "social skills everyone should have".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:27 PM
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I think I just misread your post
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:44 PM
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Tell that to a LOT of he purple and blues here. They are trying to make the point that men are lonely because they didn't take the right actions, we didn't do the right things, we didn't improve enough... They are literally saying the same thing. If you're a quiet introverted guy, you don't deserve to find love or companionship until you man up and do the actions that totally always work. THEY ARE WORKING IN THE SAME MINDSET.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:43 PM
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And there's absolutely no point in discussion if you always set the most extreme interpretation of someone's point up as a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:20 PM
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It's all about his "lack of action", as if you think women are passive objects that men are rewarded with for performing the right actions. It's fascinating the double sided talk coming from the purple and blue sides. You wonder why men talk about women like rewards? Because of the way you talk about men. You don't see men as human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:06 PM
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So you admit you don't want to engage in good faith. You'd rather read in "vibes" that may or may not (probably the latter) be present and then attack his post for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:59 PM
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Just as soon as women stop responding to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:51 PM
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Thanks for a great example of why men are getting fed up with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:15 PM
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HOW THE FUCK IS MEN'S SUFFERING NOT UNIQUE? We're constantly told we have to be the ones to approach, set expectations, be confident, make things happen, make her feel safe, make her feel desired but not like you're desperate, pay for the date, and on and on... You are straight up dismissing any differences. These are literally things men are expected by society to perform, things women are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:50 PM
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That's rich, coming from the woman who wants straight men to use gay men for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:29 PM
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It makes plenty of sense to anyone not trying to jump down his throat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:27 PM
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What are those changes, very briefly?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:34 PM
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Also it's pretty sad you only see women as rewards men earn for "improving".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:58 PM
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We want to change. Women won't let us and want us to keep doing what they've come to expect from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:55 PM
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So you're way more concerned about revenge than equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:15 PM
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So what's your point? Because you obviously aren't advocating for equality.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/26 06:47 PM
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What a worthless phrase "inferior being" or "not like a person". I've heard women and feminists flip flop on chivalry for decades. That men have done nice things for women because they don't see them as equal, or an inferior being. Until men stop doing those things and then they also hate women because they skip such simple and nice things.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/26 06:44 PM
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By my experience of finding out after high school that several girls liked me when they met me, but quickly lost interest after I didn't make a move within their own preferred time frame. My experience of the furthest I've gotten with a woman being the time, about 9 years ago when I was 26, getting upset/puzzled why I didn't make a move and try to fuck her the second time she came over to my place. Maybe because the first time she came over a few days ago she made it clear she was "trusting me n…
/r/ExRedPill17/07/26 10:23 PM
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Simply delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:48 PM
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Or women just don't see men as people. I don't 100% believe this, but I just feel like hitting back against all the women here who rush to explain any and everything bad that happens to women as men being incapable of seeing women as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:38 PM
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Why would you think this is inherently true? Men who don't give a shit about women are fucking them. Edit: wrote this to someone who DMd me: I simply meant the guys who don't give a shit about women have no qualms with approaching, pushing boundaries, pressuring and not taking no for an answer with any and every woman he finds attractive. They're the ones out there getting the most women. They'll just say the most sexual or explicit things to everyone until he finds some horny enough woman who j…
/r/ExRedPill17/07/26 06:20 PM
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Really? Men are more expected to uphold traditional male gender roles while also balancing those roles with being respectful and modern.
/r/ExRedPill17/07/26 06:14 PM
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That as a more liberal person, I was told to listen to women and feminists. And if you listen to them the main complaints, and why women are so so so fed up with men are: Men think it's ok to flirt anytime they want, think it's ok to compete for women's attention. They think women can't make moves or have their own desires because they don't see women as people. Men think when women say something they can push back, or negotiate, or try to convince her to do what he wants, or figure out a secret…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:43 PM
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Yeah, being made aware of all the ways men are horrible because they think they're entitled to women's attention, try to decode or read between the lines instead of taking what she says at face value, always sexualizing women and pushing the line and crossing boundaries is NO reason to have crippling uncertainty when women expect you to get and keep her attention, figure out what she actually means because not everything is face value, create the sexual tension and spark, and navigate initiating…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:24 PM
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Pets.com can't be overpriced, people are still buying it!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:29 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about? We're constantly hearing that women can only find confident men who escalate in the exact right way and generate sparks attractive. There are so many men who are constantly saying they get nothing from women until they start "jester-ing", or being a lot more flirty and sexual than they were raised. Women are regularly saying they can't/don't/won't make a move because people might... think they enjoy sex? They might have a bad date? Feel bad? They say it's a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:17 PM
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Men don't have the same options to express their sexuality. Women have clothes (so many different types, low cut, tight fit, dresses (so many types...), push up bras, corsets, yoga pants), makeup, hair, shoes. Even if they don't meet anyone when they go out, they probably get a few glances and get to show off their body or style. The closest, most consistent thing men have is a suit, but that's not practical in a lot of cases, and might not fit with the vibe of the place you're going to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:12 PM
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"If you criticize America then you obviously hate us and you should git the fuck out.' What a funny little example of the horseshoe theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:48 PM
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'It's to show how men, the gender that has to initiate everything are lazy and worthless for asking for a fraction of the same consideration and effort.'
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:43 PM
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Yes, men need to stop worrying about how their actions affect women, because it doesn't happen in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:29 PM
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Men are just returning the same energy feminists gave to us for the past few decades. They complained a lot about how men's preferences enforced gender roles on women and forced them to do things they didn't want to do if they wanted to find love. Men saying "get over it it's just biology" wasn't acceptable. Women would just get mad about men not wanting to be better than their biology. Now women are the ones who say they don't care about, or even that they can't be better than their biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:23 PM
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There's a lot of truth here, but it's derailed by the lying/cheating shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:05 PM
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See, you can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:22 PM
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RIGHT! Men don't want to put their face in a cheese grater by having a conversation with bad faith incarnate, so the only other possible answer is porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:19 PM
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Not like it has been for men over the last 20-30 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:42 PM
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Why does it have to be straight to "he's autistic" and not "men are receiving contradictory and confusing messages from society"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:11 PM
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They'll be upset if you even suggested breaking norms they hold near and dear. Lily loves her balloon popping video which she claims shows how men are so horrible and can't understand how to be good people and follow basic rules everyone was told. Then she'll flip and suddenly guys are so stupid for following social norms, guys should do whatever they want...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:05 PM
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I mean, pot meet kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:08 PM
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Yeah, you can't have men copying women's tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:11 PM
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Yes, women are so magical at relationships that lesbians are too good for each other and thus break up at a higher rate than everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:24 PM
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The enforcement of male dating gender roles and dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:59 PM
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So go back 60 years and tell women that. Men are asking for a small fraction of give from women that they expected from men over that time period. To put it very bluntly, I think a lot of women see men as dating/attention dispensers, to play off the long time rhetoric of men seeing women as sex dispensers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:56 PM
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Wtf is this word salad? A man who is frustrated with common female behaviors must hate all women and can't even possibly love one? Maybe women need to love men as people, not dating dispensers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:21 PM
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Women are the ones insisting on making dating about male performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:12 PM
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Doesn't happen on anywhere near the same scale. And come the fuck on, one of the most common complaints from men is women not making moves or being more forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:48 PM
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The irony of trying to call out victim mentality while defending feminist victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:38 PM
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By being held to and expected to perform male gender roles. What if society was blaming women for not being docile or submissive enough, and told women in order to even have a good chance of going on a first date you need to learn how to make the guy feel special, cook for him, show you can take care of him when he's sick. Those are just basic social skills and I can't believe women are so lazy they don't want to be better. How can a man possibly be attracted to a woman who isn't demure and subm…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:33 PM
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And it's kind of a worthless point. There's a million things that would be more common if they were socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:05 PM
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So? You're not entitled to men acting as your own rhetoric police.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:29 PM
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It seems to be far far more about male gender roles than female.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:30 PM
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This is exactly the double standard he was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:15 PM
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Isn't it great women are actually as passive and driven by gender roles as feminists have denied for years?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:00 PM
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I mean obviously if you know every pile has a needle then obviously the smaller one is more efficient. But I'm not imagining a game show scenario where the rules are clearly defined and a game master has set things up so there's evenly distributed needles. This is real life. Someone filled a gymnasium with hay, tossed in a handful of needles and had a team of leaf blowers mix everything up. Picking a small pile in the corner is a pretty horrible strategy. Another way to look at it is needles com…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:26 PM
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This is just straight up puzzling logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:02 PM
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But breaking the hay up into different piles guarantees there's a needle in each pile? You don't even know if there's a needle in the smallest stack. Maybe the larger stack has more needles?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:47 PM
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The whole metaphor is kinda off. Your conclusion assumes there's one and only one needle in every stack. Perhaps it's more similar to finding a needle shaped piece of hay, and the more hay you have the more chances you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:29 PM
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The assumptions you make and the way you default to the worst possible interpretation of a point is quite something to behold.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:07 PM
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Also, she didn't like me so she got upset at me not trying to fuck her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:29 PM
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What an absolutely useless point that has nothing to do with the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:15 PM
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Yes, clear communication seems to be expecting too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:52 PM
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Maybe you're not engaging with the point? I obviously didn't like her because I... respected her wishes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:35 PM
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No, men are mainly complaining about the shit we have to do to create a "spark" within her arbitrary internal time line. Take her on a date, sure. Make her laugh and feel good, okay. Having to walk the invisible line between being respectful and not sexualizing her and bringing up sex too soon vs making her feel desired and sexy and like a woman despite her not really demonstrating any of those things for the guy because it's his job to create that spark before she can think about showing any si…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:29 PM
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Yes, and jesters were sources of entertainment, not being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:21 PM
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This is where it just feels like massive projection from women. They like to say men are transactional while also enforcing the paradigm that men must ask and pay and make her feel that special spark. Women are literally saying "I can't find a man attractive unless he does these things." How is that not transactional? Just like when men complain they thought women would be initiating more, and wondering why they don't women love to yell that we just want a woman for no effort or work. ... Just l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:19 PM
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She has to, they changed the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:05 PM
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Is it really the "niceness" men are complaining about performing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:59 PM
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Why wouldn't we blame feminism, at least a little bit. We were told women aren't passive objects waiting for a strong confident manly man to come along and say the right things and push the right buttons. We were told women can make first moves, and all the guys who insist on playing out the traditional script don't actually see women as people because they put on the confident act and don't care about her feelings or how he makes her feel. We were told this is a new era of equality and women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:14 PM
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The Calvary has arrived!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:52 PM
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Which is exactly the point? Women require men to do all the work to create the spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:19 PM
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What a fine example of "women are wonderful".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:16 PM
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Let me guess, the missing context is that men are shit because they are more forgiving which shows they don't have standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:04 PM
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Holy shit, your standards for masculinity is LOW. WOMEN can do that. LOL But they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:42 PM
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What does that have to do at all with the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:05 PM
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"The perfect man respects me and doesn't reduce me to a sexual object, but also can become animalistic and treat me like a slut."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:09 PM
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There's a large amount of men complaining that women aren't meeting our standards, such as being forward, and indicating interest. And then we're told we're being entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:09 PM
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Probably because you hate men and men can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:42 PM
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It's sad that women see men as accessories to add to their life and not as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:58 PM
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Because women have no vote....
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:48 PM
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"Standards" aka "male gender dating roles"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:35 PM
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Yes, women need to address their inflated standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:41 PM
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Yes it should change, but women don't want it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:13 PM
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Because I'm on old reddit, and I don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:51 AM
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Women and blue pills say shit like "you know how you feel when a really aggressive gay guy keeps trying to talk to you, or a panhandler who just wants money? That's ExAcTLy how women feel when men they aren't interested in try to talk to her."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:14 PM
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I had a whole post you could have addressed. But you just jumped straight to ad hominem and being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:14 PM
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I'm sorry you aren't equipped to engage in this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:09 PM
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I just knew someone would twist it around because everything men do is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:06 PM
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Right on schedule...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:03 PM
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What the fuck is wrong with all of you? A man says he wishes women were a little more forward or expressive of their interest. "You just want women to give themselves to you for free." Men point out that 50 years ago the feminists were all saying men just like skinny submissive housemaker women and we point out that somehow men adapted and like a wide variety of women. "Why do you think people can change what they're attracted to? Why do you hate women and want to bully them?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:31 PM
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Isn't that what a lot of men have done? Listened to women express how men's actions make them feel, and then making a decision to not bother women despite the disadvantage it creates in dating? Putting women's comfort over their success?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:00 PM
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That's what women want men to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:21 PM
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I was twenty. Does that change the point you were trying to make, or how good the data is?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:02 PM
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Why does expressing even the slightest hint of "women are very passive and I wished they would show a little upfront interest" get converted into "you want all the women in the world for absolutely no effort"? It instantly betrays your bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:48 PM
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And it creates a double bind. "Men want to fuck everything" = it's worthless to express that to women, they aren't dumb, they know you do. "Men want to fuck everything" = Of course women know you want to fuck everything, if you don't express that then she'll wonder what's wrong with her, or think you're gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:31 PM
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But that also requires women to recognize that effort and "reward" it. But the men who stop chasing sex often end up with no sex or intimacy and then get called entitled because they want women's bodies for no effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:26 PM
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What kind of guidance should society give to men that they don’t already? Be so so very fucking upfront and clear that women are mostly passive, expect men to flirt and be confident, don't listen to feminists who complain about "traditional gender roles" because most of them still expect you to perform yours, you are the man and despite all the messages about equality, and not wanting to be bothered, and tired of being sexualized, and how overbearing men tend to be 75-90% of women expect you to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:16 PM
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I don't see why it's such a huge mystery where the "good people" get rewarded came from. It was literally women and feminists. Twenty years ago they were all about how men just need to stop flirting or trying to turn every encounter sexual, and just exist in the world, meet friends and they'll see how good you are and one of them will make it obvious that they like you, or introduce you to a friend. You don't need to constantly be aiming for an opening, or pickup line or innuendo. Women aren't s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:52 PM
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Yes, yes. Men feelings = horrible and weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:26 PM
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Complaining as a group that they're so so tired of getting unwanted attention from men. But if you ask why women aren't putting forward more effort, or at least communicating their interest so many women love to say "it's biology", "I can't make a move, that's a man's job and I feel masculine", "I can't even find a man interesting to me unless he makes the moves and sets the mood within my arbitrary timeframe." They insist men who want a little more buy-in from women just want women to give them…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:03 PM
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Sure, whatever you say. That's why several of them went on a second date before dropping "no spark".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:23 PM
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They did have fun. Many of my dates laughed and had a good time. Then told me there was no spark. We've grown up with 100x more messages of "women are tired of always being sexualized, and seen as a piece of meat, and men should just talk to women like people, not someone who's pants your trying to get into." "It's not about performing, it's just about doing this specific thing you only use in this specific context and which men are only required to perform, and on which women will judge you wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:32 PM
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Oh fuck off with the slut shit. We've had 50 years of feminist sexual revolution and you people are still clinging to it so you don't have to put yourself out there and blame it all on men. Men say they feel like creeps and women love to give men shit for it. "Maybe if you weren't a horrible person you wouldn't be seen as a creep." But the world is supposed to revolve around women and their fear of being seen as enjoying sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:22 PM
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Being too sexual too quickly -> Treat her like a person not a sexual object whos pants you want to get into/use as a hole for your pleasure. Women aren't just passive reactive submissive beings who are just waiting for a man to come along and say the right things and push the right buttons, they can find men interesting and make their own moves. Not being sexual quickly enough to set the mood and create sparks -> Women are people and people are sexual beings so obviously women want to be sexuali…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:10 PM
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You claimed women have crushes all the time. They don't mean shit if women don't act on them and leave everything up to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:04 PM
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Women complain about men treating them as sexual objects and not people. Why doesn't it occur to women that a lot of them view men as attention dispensers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:02 PM
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No, a lot of men aren't interested in being with someone who only sees men as initiators, confidence dispensers, date planners, and flirting machines.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:59 PM
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That's what women say. We ask why women aren't putting in just a little more initiate and initial effort and recently a lot of women have been saying things like I can't make a move, it's too masculine, it turns me off, that's a man's job, women don't find men attractive in the way men find women attractive and need a man to create the sparks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:55 PM
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The problem is it's the go to insult for men who do anything from literally treat women like objects to a man simply misphrasing something or not phrasing it in the radical feminist approved way. The most common sentiment is a guy who dares say something sexual too soon, and suddenly he's not seeing women as people, just a hole for his pleasure. Use the phrase "get a girlfriend" and obviously that means you don't see women as people because people aren't objects to GET.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:50 PM
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But then a guy complains that he's been on many dates that mostly end in the "no spark" speech, and suddenly it's his fault for not performing. "Did you indicate the perfect amount of interest when she expected it? Did you make her feel cared for and sexy? Did you demonstrate the neutral human "social skill" of being confident and assertive and decisive, that despite being a social skill every human should have, you can't expect from women. Why do you expect women to be interested in you if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:43 PM
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"Treated like people" is one of the most harmful takeaways for men because it can be interpreted and used as a cudgel in many ways. Being too sexual too quickly -> Treat her like a person not a sexual object whos pants you want to get into/use as a hole for your pleasure. Women aren't just passive reactive submissive beings who are just waiting for a man to come along and say the right things and push the right buttons, they can find men interesting and make their own moves. Not being sexual qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:26 PM
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It kinda is equivalent when "whoever creates the date should pay" is standard. Replace it with cook him a meal if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:44 PM
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Of course it is. Because it's inconvenient to your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:22 PM
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I'm just talking about how most women require you to make her feel "special", or feminine, or a number of other expectations women seem to have. Women say "I can't make a move, that's a man's job/I don't feel feminine/I can't even know if I find a man attractive unless he makes me feel sparks/someone might think I'm a slut." Which would be the equivalent of men saying: "Why would I even find a woman interesting unless she bakes me her own custom recipe cookies, and offers to fix my clothes? I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:19 PM
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It's a skill issue, just like if men were expecting women to cook, and clean, and dote on him from the very get-go, and many women were out here complaining that they can't even get a date without demonstrating her female skills. Of course you have to make him feel like a manly man or else why would he ever be interested in a woman who can't do the absolute bare minimum? Men just don't feel masculine if they have to do those things they consider feminine. But also don't expect any male gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:45 PM
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Yeah, it's not like many of us men grew up being demeaned and degraded by women. Being told men just want to use women as a hole for our pleasure, men just want to control women, being told we only see women as objects and not people, being told men are porn brained dicks who enforce everything bad against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:26 PM
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Women GREATLY exaggerate the "locker room talk" men supposedly have. And even then, the most stereotypical men's locker room talk is just talking about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:41 PM
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So many men are complaining that it's not as simple as "HaVe a ConVerSatiOn". So many of us have had great conversations, and then told we're great guys but we don't give them an instant spark and give them tingles in all the right spots after an hour of talking in person. Some women blamed us for not jumping her bones fast enough. We're told we shouldn't expect "basic social skills" from women because it's a man's job to initiate, and women feel masculine for... checks notes... starting a conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:28 PM
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Do you have the same energy for women who are afraid of being seen as a slut and use that as an excuse to never make their own moves?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:50 PM
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I believe a lot of women reinforce the 'seen as prey' trope. They're the ones out there saying it's a man's job to initiate, they don't feel feminine if they make a move, it doesn't turn them on, and leaning into biology driven "needs".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:08 PM
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So men have been told to leave women alone stop bothering them, they aren't sex objects, women can make moves too and don't need a man to come along and say the right things or push the right buttons. Many of us listened Now twenty years later after those types of messages became common men are asking why women aren't taking just a little more initiative, or being forward and now people are quick to say things like women just biologically need a dominant man, approaching and initiating everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:21 PM
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If noticing the other genders behavior and calling it out is sociopathic then feminists are Queen Sociopath
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:15 PM
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How many of them explicitly say sex is the reason, not simply expressing their desire for romantic intimacy? Because this feels like one area the OP is right. Men are expected to initiate any and all romantic encounters. Men who are comfortable and have experience in relationships and dating are going to be able to just go out, have fun, and if they see a cute girl make a move and quickly move on if it doesn't work. Men with little to no experience can't, and a lot of times being in public is ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:43 PM
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Why does "I thought women were independent and should be able to make some moves and indicate interest more often on their own" ALWAYS get reframed as men wanting to do absolutely no work? Maybe men want to be able to put effort into a smaller group of women who indicate a little interest than having to do all the leg work of approaching every woman you can, and being confident but not overbearing, being sexual and flirty but not objectifying, and the rest of the tightrope walk. I mean, a kinda …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:54 PM
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Oh come the fuck on. A woman could go out and never instigate anything with men and still have opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:25 PM
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Which proves absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:24 PM
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Are you actually wanting to debate, or just throw the chess board when people don't completely agree with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:11 PM
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Yes, women are perfect and can't also enforce patriarchy. If what he said is an attack on women, then women have been attacking men like a full scale war. You say him having opinions about the things women desire is an attack, but you attack men similarly in your own post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:09 PM
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Funny how when women or feminists do it they're all "well if you don't actually do those things why would you take offense?" Or all the insults like "men just want to control women" or "men have never cared about women or their feelings at all ever."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:34 PM
2

And how much of that interaction did you drive and escalate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:29 PM
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You're surprised that men who grew up with constant messages about checking our privilege, and understanding how our actions affect women, and how men and women are two halves of society and affect each other, you're surprised that they now also want to talk about how women and their choices affect their lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:26 PM
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Worked for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:33 PM
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It's immature to have opinions about the opposite sex in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:58 PM
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Maybe because for every "men, you need to learn to flirt and be sexual" there's like a thousand "OMG just talk to women LIKE PEOPLE, not someone you're trying to get into the pants of. It's so fucking easy but men insist on making everything sexual. Women know men want to fuck everything that moves, so you demonstrating that desire to women means absolutely nothing to them. Women initiate flirting ALL THE TIME so just talk to women like people and the right one will see you're a great guy." Then…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:46 PM
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Men online especially on this sub do not want to find a way to work things out with women. They want everything to be their way or the high way How can you say this when women's main message seems to be that they still expect men to perform their gender roles and initiate, and escalate, and make her feel special before she can even know for herself if she likes a guy and if you, as a man, can't do your manly male gender stuff then have fun being alone for your entire life. But never have a gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:28 PM
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Yes yes yes women are perfect and wonderful, and never ever propagate any negative actions or have any negative role in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:03 PM
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Yes, it results in feelings being expressed, and these guys have the audacity to express their raw opinions and emotions. They need to consider every thought and word and how it may harm women's delicate sensibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:00 PM
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How dare you be human. Have you tried having no feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:56 PM
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Maybe a lot of us grew up with constant man bashing? And now that we have our own complaints that we've noticed about women we're the hateful ones for daring to voice our opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:52 PM
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Exact-a-fucking-lutely. Endless criticism of men for not doing all the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:29 PM
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I'm really kinda sick and tired of listening to women complain about men wanting "effortless" dates and sex, but want men to give them effortless dates and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:27 PM
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Lol at women complaining about other people wanting "free validation".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:24 PM
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Can you explain your entitlement to men performing for your entertainment?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:03 PM
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Women don't want to insert themselves into our lives until we put in all the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:58 PM
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Yeah, men need to always balance their criticism, one good point, one bad point. Men can't notice bad things about women and have opinions on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:54 PM
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Prime example of women are wonderful bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:05 PM
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The ones who have the burden of initiating are of course going to be the first to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:51 PM
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"They never asked men not to approach." Then that the fuck is the point of all the time I hear bp/feminists talk about how 'when you approach women they feel exactly like you feel when an aggressive gay guy hits on you.'
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:25 PM
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Genuinely connect = perform male gender roles, make her feel special and cared for, guess if she's the kind of lady who wants you to pay or will get upset, show her how confident and forward you can be, and don't expect any kind of female gender role reciprocation because that's sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:18 PM
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But if the only way to get sex and affection is to walk the specific tight rope woman demand we do then it's kinda hard not to see it as some sort of accomplishment or reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:03 PM
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I'm not sure about the guaranteed part, but I think a lot of the frustration is it feels like we haven't even been prepared to play the same game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:49 PM
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It's so weird that despite 60 years of feminist sexual revolution so many women are still concerned about society judging them for enjoying sex. So many women declaring they can't possibly demonstrate interest in a guy because then they might possibly have a chance of being thought as a slut. But men who are concerned about being lumped in with assholes and sexual abusers need to check themselves and just get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:08 PM
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Not at all. I might have agreed with you more in the past, since I thought women were more similar to men and had their own interests and desires. But these days I'm hearing that women simply don't find any man attractive unless he creates excitement, and initiates conversations, and shows her how much he cares about her and what he can add to her life, and how quickly he can make her tingle. Women seem to be doubling down on the need for men to perform their gender roles because making a first …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:52 PM
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Can't even consider a possible scenario in which you're not somehow a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:27 PM
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But it's not "just talking". It's talking to her while constantly evaluating her interest, when to get flirty and sexual without making her feel like that's your only goal and without doing it too soon or too late, playing the "who will pay" dance and having to guess if she likes a man who insists on paying, or if she resents a man who insists on paying because she feels like she owes him sex, guessing if she's the kind of woman who even considers a coffee date a date at all, just for a few exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:35 PM
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What is your first paragraph even saying? That men should have a 5 point thesis about how he's proved compatibility before even going on one date? I don’t understand what makes it so difficult for some women to try to think about long term implications and why relationship compatibility involves more than “he was exciting and forward and made me feel tingles!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:07 PM
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How can you say men are trapped in the old script when a large amount of criticism against men is they don't want to perform their traditional roles and follow the old script that women expect these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:06 PM
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Women as a whole don't or can't control their own reactions to things that happen in their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:31 PM
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You people always drop that line like it should totally rock everyone's mind. What the fuck is the purpose of "you hitting on women makes them feel exactly like you feel when an aggressive gay guy hits on you, or a panhandler asking for money." Because the only take away is to never approach women at all ever because no woman would have straight sex with a guy, just like I'd never have sex with a gay guy? Which is probably the point for a large misandrist group here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:03 PM
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Yeah, fuck men for wanting to feel wanted occasionally while the world is still imperfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:57 PM
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So having boundaries and personal space is antisocial? I think you're confusing antisocial with asocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:13 PM
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How does being quiet demonstrate disregard for others' rights, manipulation, or hostility? And no, not sharing is not antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:01 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about? Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is a chronic mental health condition characterized by a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others, often with no remorse. You seriously think shy and quiet people are manipulating, exploiting and violating the rights of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:52 PM
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Being shy is not antisocial. Being quiet is not antisocial. Shitting in the punch bowl is antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:14 PM
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To play your game, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:39 PM
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I'm not talking about rights. All I mentioned was preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:30 PM
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Men hear women saying men are too picky, only want big tits and perfect face and don't give a shit about her personality. Until we demonstrate a wider range of attraction, then it's offensive because that means he's a desperate loser who doesn't have standards because that doesn't make her feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:07 PM
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So then men had no moral obligation in the 50s-80s to introspect on their preferences for women. Yet men did. Men didn't owe women who didn't want to be docile, and nurturing sex or a family. Women were free to do whatever they wanted and men technically didn't owe them anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:58 PM
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"Only one type of guy can be successful with women."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:33 PM
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Oh come on. Like men haven't been called shallow, or immature, or straight up misogynistic for decades for having preferences for women that are inconvenient to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:34 PM
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Oh, hey. It's an example of what I just told you happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:30 PM
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Because it's hard to avoid doing something when the other side is going to try their hardest to twist what you said into a grotesque version of itself to prove you're doing that thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:29 PM
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I think where this draws ire is how it gets widened out to be very general. You're not saying that you don't want a guy who has extreme fantasies based on porn, or whatever. It's just "no porn", which is so general. It would be like if men, instead of complaining about gold diggers specifically, they start saying "no women who make under $60k/yr", as if all women in that category are gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:37 PM
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The burden of having to initiate plus the conflicting messages and unclear expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:09 PM
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I think it's because men still have the burden and pressure to initiate most everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:45 PM
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What if I never really practiced. Because any time a guy like me would say "I don't know how to talk to girls" everyone would seem to trip over themselves insisting that there's nothing special, you just need to talk to them like people. I heard women moan about how guys think they have to be "on" and "have game" and sexualize things as if they see women as passive creatures who can't initiate those things themselves. Relationships take effort from both sides, and women are perfectly capable of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:30 PM
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We're just so fucking tired of women enforcing gender roles on men. Women love to talk about how men just need to see women as human beings, not a hole for your dick. But so many women see men as things to initiate flirting, setup dates, make her feel special and provided for. And we need to do all those things, or somehow demonstrate that we can do them, before we even meet for a first date. We're told to treat women as people and don't put them on a pedestal, but also make her feel special and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 06:56 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying to have absolutely no filter at all. But like usual the only counterpoint is to assume the most extreme scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:00 PM
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I just expected too much from women I guess. They love telling men to examine and change their behaviors and how it enforces problematic behavior, but also seem mostly completely unwilling to understand how those changes would affect gender dynamics, and then still demanding the same benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 10:49 PM
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Just more of the same "blame the man" bullshit. If I'm the problem then so were my dates. They never made me feel special, or wanted besides agreeing to let me have the ultimate honor of buying their meal. One of the largest complaints from women is men rushing into sexual talk. But women also hate it when men don't sexualize them in the right way fast enough. Flirting is saying things that are sexually charged. So being told not to be sexual too early just treat her like a person, while also be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 10:05 PM
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It's lillith, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:53 PM
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Are you sure they weren't describing it as romantic, as in if their partner was there it would have been a very romantic moment, or even in a tongue in cheek type way? I've had similar experiences, that conceptually were romantic, but weren't really.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:48 PM
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If only women and society could decide between women are super strong, independent and able to care for themselves and don't need no man to provide, and any man who clings to that role only wants to keep women down and trapped in her own gender roles. Or: of course women need a man to make money for her, it's just biology and any man who doesn't want to do that hates women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:41 PM
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Women certainly don't want to talk about them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:22 PM
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Cool, so it explains that women, by and large, still want men to uphold their traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:31 PM
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Will that explain why I had a girl basically blame me for not pushing harder against her "I'm trusting you not to do anything" because she expected that from men? Along with about a dozen other women who had fun on dates, but ended up having no spark? Or finding out years later that some HS female friends liked me when they first met me, but lost interest when I didn't immediately pursue them like a man would?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:25 PM
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This is exactly what happens. It's a classic motte and bailey. Men are told "you just need to talk to and treat women like people." I heard/hear things like: men make things too complicated by thinking they have to escalate, or be witty, or build attraction by being suave and assertive. So a lot of us did "just talk to women like people and be a decent human being" and heard all about how we're great guys but no spark on dates, friends wish they could find a guy like me, just not me. Other frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:14 PM
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Don't see how that would change anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:38 PM
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Because "social skills" is basically a dog whistle for "fulfill your male gender roles."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:19 PM
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Yes, having any criticism of women means you only hate women. If that's all it takes then most women also hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:08 PM
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Your conclusion makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:12 PM
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So if I've had no shortage of friends who enjoy talking to me, but simultaneously I'm always told by dates I'm a great guy but no spark,what the absolute fuck do I work on. I have basic social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:36 PM
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It's very sad that women don't want to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:42 PM
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I think this kinda gets at some of the frustration for men. It feels like we are being told there's only one way to get a girl. If you can't approach women, make them feel special, navigate her feelings towards you, and put in all this work before you're even going "steady", to use an ancient term, then why would you think a woman would even want to think about being with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:15 PM
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Nothing like female accountability. Women have problems, it's men's job to fix it. Men have problems, it's men's job to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:14 PM
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Many of us want to actually date. Not whatever this unholy Frankenstein of old and new expectations is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:00 PM
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I always thought it was obvious that a very large reason why women deal with a lot of shit is because they leave initiation to men. As we keep pointing out, the guys who don't give a shit about the girl have no problem possibly making her scared, or angry or nervous. Or at the very least, guys who might be aware of the dynamics have to get to a point where they don't care too much about how she feels, because you can trap yourself in analysis paralysis. But it feels like women have no desire to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:57 PM
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That's what I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:40 PM
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So if the majority of men went back to the old 50s expectations of women and that they shouldn't work, and should cook, clean, be submissive then women should have zero complaints and just suck it up? What if men even expected that stuff before committing to a second date? What if men were telling women "we can't even tell if we're attracted to a woman until they show us their cooking and flirting skills. It's just biology that men need a woman to make him feel special before he can even have fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:07 PM
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To point two, women are valid for losing interest when there's no spark. Not if the lack of spark is attributable to the man not performing his gender roles enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:48 PM
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If only men weren't expected to be the main navigator of this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:32 PM
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Your hay analogy is pretty weak. You assume there's one needle, and it's already in your stack. But every man, or group of men you match is it's own pile with a chance of containing a needle. You're simply glancing at these new piles and immediately concluding there can't be a needle in there, it doesn't look like a pile that could ever have a needle in it. I'm not talking about not dating a Trump supporter or whatever if that's against your beliefs. Most of the time it feels like he just didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:54 PM
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Most men I know want a woman who likes him, likes spending time with him, and can express those things directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:44 PM
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20 years ago feminism was all about how men feel entitled to women, which is why they flirt, and sexualize, and approach, and touch. Men should just back off. Women aren't little precious passive objects waiting for a man to come along and push the right buttons. Women actually have their own crushes, and desires but men have steamrolled them since the beginning of time. Women can absolutely make their own moves and don't need men to "make it happen". Just talk to women like people, and not some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:36 PM
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What self fucking improvement? Many of us heard constantly, over the last 10-20 years that men are shit because we act entitled to women and their attention and their bodies because we just flirt and be sexual, and touchy whenever we want without considering her and her feelings. It's not confidence, it's entitlement. Just treat women like people, not a thing to be with or use for pleasure. Women are perfectly capable of having crushes and making their own moves. They aren't passive, helpless cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:40 PM
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Men are told all the fucking time it's our responsibility to police other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:58 PM
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If he don't behave like women want and expect it's probably because he's broken. It can't be because he heard over the last 10-20 years about how men pursue, and chase, and touch, and flirt with women because they're entitled to her and her attention. It's not confidence, it's entitlement. Women are perfectly capable of having their own crushes and making their own moves without men doing everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:16 PM
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I'm just pissed off. 20 years ago it was all about how men are shit because they think they're entitled to women and their attention and bodies which is why they are always flirting, and talking with them, and touching, and being sexual, and not caring about her and her feelings and enforcing female gender roles. It was presented as our responsibility to navigate this new age of dating. So it seemed pretty obvious that men should pull back. "Treat them like people, not things you want to be with…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:22 PM
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No, just unreasonable people who want to assume and read the worst into everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:40 PM
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I guess I didn't realize being expected to uphold strict gender role standards isn't oppressive. Would it be oppressive if most men still expected women to be extra subservient, overly sexual, and demure? That's just the bare minimum of being a woman in a society, they claim. Or if men only approached and were interested in women in full hoop skirts and corsets, or some equivalent dress? I mean, wearing clothes is the bare minimum and everyone should look their best, I don't see why that's too m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:36 PM
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These are such weak ass takes. Ever considered "acquired" can refer a date? Or are you programmed to interpret everything in the worst possible way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:06 PM
3

Please explain to us how our lived experiences are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:00 PM
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Apparently not, according to you. The only reason a man would care about how he's treated by society is if he's a low T low value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:56 PM
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Are you even a straight man unless you approach women 24/7?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:50 PM
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When faced with a challenge, you have two options: give up or grow into someone who is capable of meeting the challenge. Which is exactly what you told or would have been telling women in the 50s and 60s, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:45 PM
6

It's not a zero sum game, the rallying cry of wealth inequality defenders and billionaire dick suckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:07 PM
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He says as he completely and willfully ignores any and all downsides. Capitalism gave us robber barrons. And we're quickly returning to that horrible system.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:31 PM
3

Nothing more equal than a system designed to create and exploit inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:19 PM
4

Because an average girl who makes a move isn't really so average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:13 PM
4

At least men are usually putting in most of the work to approach these highly desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:07 PM
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Many women who embrace gender norms are doing exactly what you would do, if you had the same leverage. Rules for thee, not for me. 'Gender roles are stupid, you're a loser for listening to gender roles, but of course women like them and will keep enforcing these gender roles that women have had no part in enforcing.'
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:53 PM
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When I was young I heard that men were constantly hitting on, approaching, flirting with, touching, and being sexual with women whenever they wanted without caring about how they are making women feel, because obviously they view themselves as entitled to women, and their attention, and their bodies. So lots of men, like myself, took the messages and slowed our roll. We maybe even heard that "women can make first moves, and have crushes too, you know." Now if we ask why women don't put more effo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:40 PM
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I don't see how having complaints about how women date means men are blaming women for everything wrong in their life. In fact mainstream feminism is the group that blames everything wrong with their lives on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:51 PM
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Yes, women who expect men to initiate certainly aren't demonstrating entitlement to men performing their gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:46 PM
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Saying anything that paints women in anything but a perfect light = blaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:31 PM
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Really? A lot of complaints I hear from women are that a specific man, or the men they are interested in aren't initiating anything, or initiating enough. As if they're entitled to men's attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:22 PM
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Then I hope your future partners find out what you really think about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:06 PM
1

And I'll refer you back to the comment I just made to one of your other comments. It's funny how only men are encouraged to examine their behaviors and how they contribute to the world around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:08 PM
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Yes. Obviously. So why are you ignoring the role women have in encouraging this behavior by playing coy and expecting men to push past?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:50 PM
2

Setting a hard line about not crossing boundaries, while also simultaneously encouraging the supposed horrible behavior. Yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:43 PM
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I don't even understand what exactly you're trying to ask, but it just sounds like a big "gotcha" question. When did you stop beating your wife type stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:52 PM
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When I was 27 a girl came over to my place on the third date. She made a big deal about "trusting me not to do anything". So we watched tv and cuddled. Next time she came over a few days later we were doing the same thing when she was like "ummm aren't you going to try to take me to bed" or something like that. Then she says that her friends would have bounced before then because it didn't seem like I was interested in her. She stated a boundary, I respected it, she asked me why I hadn't proceed…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:32 PM
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Is there a corollary that women who expect men to push boundaries are not good women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:02 PM
2

Sometimes it's even that men's standards are too low. I see women argue that a man could get more matches online if he was more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:08 PM
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Not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:18 PM
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"Just perform your expected gender roles and stop complaining."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:47 PM
3

It would have to actually contain hate, first of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:43 PM
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I'm not sure how you think "oh, what are you a little sissy Mary who can't even do man stuff, just go be gay if you hate women so much" isn't misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:46 PM
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Nice misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:07 PM
3

This is the exact shit men point to when they say you can't interact with a woman without having a chance of being seen as a harasser. "No one is out there thinking you're a creep for normal behavior." You: "Looking at me is sexual harassment."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:15 PM
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Even if you kinda notice this early in your life as a young boy, few people will admit it or understand what you're talking about. Pretty much any time you express something like 'I don't know how to talk to women' with the meaning I don't know how to create interest, or "treat her like a woman" the most common response is "oh, you just have to treat her like a person silly."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:08 PM
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I mean, it very much can be bigotry. Or else you're justifying all the racists that use "hard truth" crime statistics to justify their discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:10 PM
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Mid 20th century America: Girls don't gotta do shit. And if men don't choose them. Then thats it Like yall women are the ones saying "I wanna get with men" then we say how And yall go "ugh, you expect us to be pretty, sweet, and supportive homemakers to get with men. This shouldn't be the way" And we go "if you want men, do what they say they like" If you expect men to choose you as a mate, do what he says he wants from women Or else, stay single and shut up. Oh wait, society forced most men to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:07 PM
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Again dude I’m sorry if your feeling emotional but let’s try to keep our personal responses out of it Please send help. My eyes rolled right out of my sockets.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:15 PM
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Tell that to all the women who hide behind "I can't express interest/make a move, I might look like a slut."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:25 PM
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I thought it was hugely problematic and oppressive that guys expected women to be feminine and demure and be homemakers. Don't treat women like "the woman". But if she wants a man, that's just her preference. The main drive of feminism has always been equality. This means that to be in a successful feminist relationship, it has to be a relationship built on mutual respect. All relationships are different, but one person doesn’t have to be the ‘man’ and the other the ‘woman’ for a relationship to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:10 PM
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Yes, yes it is. Average Women: I get at least dozens and dozens of matches every month, but they are all completely shit because I don't want to put in any work actually going through my matches. If the man can't immediately entertain me or make me feel good then he's shit. Average Men: I get 1 match a month if I'm lucky, and 99% of them never initiate talking, OR even respond to my first messages. And a third of them who make it to the planning stage ghost before we actually meet up. Women: see…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:40 PM
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I'll copy a post I wrote somewhere else last week: Yes, lots of men grew up hearing negative things about men's preferences. Preferring submissive, feminine, docile women who can create and maintain a nice home for him is basically the biggest enforcement of "patriarchy", or sexist gender roles, or however you want to describe them. Wanting those things means men don't see women as people. Men having hard preferences puts unfair amounts of pressure to conform to what men expect or be forced to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:51 PM
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I don't completely disagree, but this is just completely opposite of what a lot of men have been told over the past few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:31 PM
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"I only baselessly accused you of rape, why you mad?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 09:04 PM
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That's the entire fucking complaint. That doesn't happen early for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:06 AM
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Why are you treating women as a monolith?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:07 PM
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Because obviously that's the only interpretation. That he wants every woman to prostrate themselves and beg for his body. How about just knowing that there's a good chance a girl might initiate something if she has a little bit of interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:42 PM
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Having someone I know is excited to see me later. Tells me they want to spend time with me. Someone who makes me feel wanted, and make them feel wanted/safe whatever in return. A partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:51 PM
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But that's just straight up bullshit. I have a job I like doing. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy the interview process to be able to enjoy that job. Just because we hate repeating the same steps over and over just to have a chance to get to the good part doesn't imply all that you wish to infer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:39 PM
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Is that just your way of saying that men should be expected to do all the steps of dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:58 PM
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Perfect example of the hoops men have to jump through.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:27 PM
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I mean, I've been on over a dozen dates in my life, been told they had a great time, wanted to see me again, then most all lose interest because there was no spark after the second or third date. The only one that even indicated any sexual initiative was when I was 27. First time she came over (2nd/3rd date) she said she was trusting me not to do anything so we just cuddled and watched TV. Next time she came over she was like "well aren't you going to try to fuck me, is something wrong?" and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:24 PM
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1) that's a lazy argument. 2) maybe a lot of us spent the last few decades marinading in contradictory progressive messaging. You can find progressives who claim men think it's ok to flirt any time they want as if they're "entitled to her attention". But also if you want women to make moves you're entitled to her in another way. Men's main job is to push boundaries. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1pyi3y6/its_mens_fault_and_responsibility_for_the/nwkz7td/?utm_source=reddit&utm_…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:00 PM
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That's quite a range, from rape and killing, to just violate. Obviously the first two are objectively wrong, but I'm getting real tired of generic words like "violate" thrown at men when women, by and large, still expect men to initiate and risk committing such violations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:16 PM
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I also think there's other smaller things, like being able to show cleavage, short skirts, and skimpy clothing in general, makeup, being more able to throw out flirts or innuendos and have a much better rate of men taking the bait and doing the rest of the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:52 AM
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Women weren't stopped from dating when they complained they were tired of being held to old homemaker standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:02 PM
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Thank you for a direct example of why many men grow up confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 07:22 PM
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How about just the truth, like "You are the man, most women still expect you to initiate almost everything, so don't worry too much about offending her and get comfortable with pushing boundaries and flirting because women can find that exciting and actually expect it." But the eternal reflex response is to always find a way to say "that's not treating women like pEoPlE." Or " you think so little of women that you believe they can't make moves on their own." Ugh guys just flirt with women and pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:15 PM
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"Guys it's so easy, just listen to feminists if you want to understand women.". Years later: "why do men expect concepts of equality and minimizing gender roles to apply to dating?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:01 PM
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Ok? And you can just not engage with my point and brush it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 05:51 PM
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It says my other comment was removed because of not using an np link. Here it is again with the link fixed: You don't understand how having your desires demonized and pathologized your entire life would lead to people being unhappy and unable to get the relationships they want, especially when men are expected to make all the moves and take all the initiative and being able to express that sexuality is an important part of developing those relationships? https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 10:16 PM
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I hope you don't expect him to do any feminine things, like cook or clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:59 PM
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Sounds like they suck at social skills if they're so passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:46 PM
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U gotta be alfa bro
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:06 PM
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And half of women see any negative sentiment against them and extrapolate it out to "obviously guys just want sex slaves".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:01 PM
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Growing up I heard that sexual expression is an important part of our humanity, and women have been kept from expressing theirs because men dominate everything. Lots of men are frustrated because we have been told our entire lives how NOT to express our sexuality, or being told it's oppressive/troublesome, that men just use women and always over sexualize because we don't see women as people. So a lot of men have suppressed that part of them and that's causing problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:57 PM
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We're talking about men who are "weak" because they don't "want to be strong men" and are afraid of bothering/offending women, but they're also the ones who had direct cause in RBG's trouble getting work and telling women they should be housewives?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:07 AM
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Good, you don't see men as equals anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 11:05 PM
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Equality isn't "women can earn money now, so that means it's okay for men to become losers and expect to be taken care of for their looks alone." I hope you didn't pay very much for that strawman, it's not very good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:46 PM
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And men aren't going to be more than mediocre for mediocre women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:34 PM
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Actually, THEY DID COMPLAIN. They complained through this thing called feminism. Then men by and large accepted this change. Now men are complaining and womens instincts is to tell us to fuck off, git good or die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:17 PM
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Then women need to accept that they're not men and get back into the kitchen, or whatever reciprocal sexist expectations men should have of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:13 PM
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Cool, you're more interested in being a condescending prick than an actual conversation. Good talk. If you want men to perform their gender roles without question, then is there an equivalent "women should be demure, and submissive, and cook and clean" expectation that is ok for men to have of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:49 PM
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In your view, is there a similar, complimentary "women should be soft, shut the fuck up and stay in the kitchen" role that women are shirking?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:32 PM
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How? For expecting basic reciprocation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:26 PM
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Because we were told this is going to be a new age of equality. Feminists were angry about women's roles and men's expectations that women perform those roles. We were told that those gender roles are wrong and oppressive, and if doesn't matter if men find them attractive because it's wrong to expect women to live up to those expectations, and men need to be kinder and more considerate. Now women are upset men haven't continued to perform their masculine roles because "well that's just what wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:16 PM
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You simply can't demand something of someone else when you, yourself are a shadow of what you need to be. Women do this constantly. They still expect men to be strong, and make moves, and take all the social risk but also expect to never be held to feminine gender roles themselves except when it benefits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:05 PM
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But that's what I'm explaining. It wouldn't make me less lonely. Having friends doesn't fix me being completely romantically and sexually unfulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:37 PM
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I'm "lonely" as a 36 yo virgin because I want to be sexual and romantic and express that side of me. But I internalized all the bullshit sex and male negative ideas progressives like to espouse most of the time. I just feel like I've never engaged with the few women I managed to get on a date with on the same level, as possible sexual and romantic partners. I've been stuck in the "just treat her like a person and be respectful" mindset my entire life and it's gotten me essentially no where with …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:57 PM
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Most of the approaches do understand that. So they don't approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:51 PM
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I think this is possibly my favorite comment here ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:27 PM
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Because society completely puts the onus on men to create relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:58 PM
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And calling men anti-social and autistic is a wonderfully presented and thoughtfully considered argument. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 12:38 AM
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I don't know how the fuck you read that from my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 12:19 AM
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Fuck sex. Insert 'a girl telling me she likes me/wants to spend time together/wants to make out/wants to cuddle/wants to get to know me'. Edit: This is all I mean: I've seen guys post photos of themselves here and they absolutely would get laid a girl who shows interest without him initiating everything in at least several of my social circles, provided they didn't act like creeps. You go all the way to say they would get laid, but most men report not even getting clear interest from women witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:14 PM
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What a fucking gish gallop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:02 PM
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I'm just pointing out your own logical misgivings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:54 PM
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You left off the operative phrase. If someone says "you would have gotten a cookie" followed by "if you weren't late" it implies the person would have been handed their own cookie if they did that one single thing. Saying "they absolutely would get sex" and following up with "if they weren't creeps" implies that's all the person would need to do. If they arrived on time next time and was disappointed they didn't get a cookie it would be an asshole move to add "well I didn't say being on time was…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:50 PM
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No, he understands words and their definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:45 PM
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You need to understand words first. Anti-social is not being shy and awkward. Anti-social is shitting in the punch bowl and kicking your grandma.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:35 PM
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That's some nice womansplaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:34 PM
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So men should expect sex for doing the bare minimum of not being a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:31 PM
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Obviously if you just swiped less the girls would magically sense it and you'd have more luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:49 PM
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Doesn't that apply to like 2/3 of feminism, or inequality differences that favor men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:33 PM
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A lot of us were told over and over to listen to feminists if you want to better understand women. And if you listen enough you will undoubtedly run into an instance of "I feel like I don't know how to talk to women" followed up by "aww, men are dumb, don't you understand there is no way to talk to women, just talk to them like people and anything else shows you just want to use her for sex and therefore not as a person. Do you sexualize your older neighbor, or your post woman? " I'm saying lots…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:59 PM
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What an uncharitable interpretation. Yes, obviously people like me treat everyone like a man. Teachers, librarians, friends moms, female friends, just one big boys club.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:27 PM
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A lot of us were beat over the head with the "women are just people, treat them like people" stick by feminists and allies..
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:51 PM
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Because a lot of us were told, incessantly, that if you want to better understand women you should listen to feminists and what they have to say. All those guys who don't are usually sexist and are helping to enforce the patriarchy/old fashioned traditions/gender roles. And if I had to boil down the messages I took away related to dating they are "men are shitty because they act like their main job is to initiate, escalate and push boundaries and build interest as if women never make moves or ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:15 PM
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Doesn't change a single thing about what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:00 PM
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"If murder was actually illegal then so many murders wouldn't be unsolved."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:56 PM
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So men should only ever act in a way that benefits women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:58 PM
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Yeah, so nothing that has any bearing on if he asks her out on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:09 AM
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By and large more women expect men to be masculine to even be a candidate for a relationship (initiate, escalate, and pay) than men expect women to clean, make dinner and schedule his appointments on the first date. What is the female equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:50 PM
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Jfc could you be any more straight up misandric?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:23 PM
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"Aw, look at the widdle guy who thinks he has the right to have feelings that I don't like."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:10 PM
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Anything that only men like is never good (violent porn, far right organizations, tradwives advocates). How about you fuck off with that bullshit? Women can love violent porn. Women become tradwives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:07 PM
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So I guess that's what men should have told women when they were getting all uppity and wanting to be free from their gender expectations. You can either learn the dance (housekeeping, cooking, feminine behavior) or become an old maid. Men just like what they like, and if you can't cut it stay out of the kitchen. Men don't owe women attention for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:22 PM
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Thanks for claiming you know me when you’ve never met me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:16 PM
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Why do you see sex as inherently degrading. Because I see no reason to insist that besides your own prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:09 PM
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Thanks for confirming that you aren't to be taken seriously. Yes, it 'hurts when something I never did or contributed to is aimed back on me and my gender by people who didn't really suffer to the original thing in the first place.' You don't give a shit about people, you just want to get the revenge you feel so entitled to deep down in your black heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:52 PM
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Dance monkey dance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:40 PM
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This pop-feminism understanding of history is holding back so much progress. And you're basically revealing "haha, us women are just as bad as men, so fuck off men, we don't care."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:35 PM
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Wtf are you talking about? The Internet is what greatly exacerbated the issue. You talk like access to the Internet allows you to look up the Wikipedia article "how women want men to act in 2025." What the fuck are we supposed to take responsibility for? We were responsible. We were told men don't take responsibility for how they treat women and tried to act on the info we were given. We were told "these are the ways men are horrible to women, be better than them". Now it's like we're being told…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:31 PM
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We were told that that agency is sexist. Feels like agency is just a backdoor way to say "you need to do what women demand/expect from you."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:09 PM
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It's more that a lot of us grew up hearing things like men use women as things to hit on for entertainment and use for sex and don't care about their feelings or treat them as people men think they need to be forward and assertive or no woman would possibly be interested in them but they're just mindlessly parroting all the old gender role stuff and reinforcing it, women approach all the time. Men think they need to treat women differently, but WOMEN ARE JUST PEOPLE, JUST TALK TO HER LIKE A PERS…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:06 PM
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Wait, because they sought help it couldn't be caused by the problems they sought help for?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:21 PM
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Yet women complain when men in their lives try to give them actionable advice because women supposedly just want to vent. How is venting constructive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:20 PM
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I don't know why you keep telling us your own cognitive difficulties.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:14 AM
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Oh no, she saw a penis after opening the door and disregarding the delivery instructions. What a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:54 PM
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I hope not. Its pretty sad how much you're rushing to defend a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:30 PM
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Funny how she was arrested...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:47 PM
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One problem is feminists like to throw out feel-good statements that are difficult to argue against while over simplifying the situation the man might be in. "You know, if you ever treat women differently because she's a woman that's sexist. Just talk to them like people." "Why can't guys understand that being hit on by a guy we don't like is like being cornered by a gay guy telling you he wants to be in your ass." And all sorts of other 'probably not technically wrong, but what am I supposed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:54 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:27 PM
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For me it's that I don't feel like I'm playing the same game after internalizing a bunch of bullshit. Just the most basic example: Men like me growing up: I don't understand how to talk to girls. What we think we're saying: Like how forward and assertive and sexual should I be ok with being without feeling like I'm enforcing toxic masculinity, gender roles and all that shit or making her feel like she's in danger or going too fast, etc? What others hear: Durrr, I literally can't say a word to an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:51 PM
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"Men are just broken women."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:26 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but you said you feel like men don't like women because they expect those things. But then you turn around and say you expect those things. Do you like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:29 PM
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I'm just confused by the way she said men don't like women because they feel entitled to all that stuff like attention, lust, and adoration and presumably don't like her as a person. Her response to what she expects from men sounds like she doesn't like men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:07 PM
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Just another way to say women need men to shower them in attention and generate that spark because women are too lazy and entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:22 PM
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What am I missing that doesn't make this a double standard? You say men are entitled to your attention and adoration, but say you need his attention and adoration to even consider a relationship as a benefit. It just seems like you're upset men are interested in the things women have demanded.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:05 PM
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"Why don't men understand relationships are purely transactional?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:54 PM
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So do you. Why do you think having a couple of late stage job interviews offered to you is so much more taxing than having to constantly distribute your resume, write bespoke cover sheets for every job, and then basically plan and schedule the whole interview?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:58 PM
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Hey, I was just going to Harbor Freight to look around for half an hour for a tool that I'm picturing but can't recall the name of then go pick up my prescription at Costco. Wanna come?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:44 PM
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According to many women that's not an invitation for a date since it didn't explicitly use words like date, or take out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:40 PM
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Why the fuck would I be planning on doing dating activities alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:29 PM
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Feminists made a huge issue for decades out of men having certain demanding preferences for women. How men expected women to be feminine, submissive, demure, and good housekeepers. It was such a horrible thing, that women might end up alone, that men needed to introspect and check themselves. Because it's a huge societal problem that women are expected to be good and perform their roles. Now complaining that women have heightened expectations for men (be exciting, forward (or not because you sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:43 PM
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This may come as a shock to you, but people struggle with different things. Thank you for explaining to me, a stutterer, how I just need to not stutter and completely flip my personality. I don't really appreciate the condescending tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:15 PM
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Because women who want to be more forward will do so with the guys who are hot enough independent from personality. She doesn't need the guy to show his personality because he's just so fucking hot. Whereas for the rest of men personality plays a larger part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 08:12 PM
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It's obvious they're more similar than not. I've had no shortage of female friends who like talking to me, who say I'm a great guy but also end up with my dates going "you're a really great guy, but no spark."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 08:07 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 10:58 PM
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Having a lot of companies approaching me so they can exploit me for profit doesn't mean it's easier for me to find a career. I really envy the people who get one callback a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:26 PM
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"They should probably all go die alone because they are complete genetic failures and don't deserve the same grace we've afforded to women." And this is a compassionate thing to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 04:13 PM
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Maybe because we've spent the last thirty plus years being told men's standards have been incredibly sexist, oppressive and based on horrible female stereotypes and gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:00 PM
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But doesn't that indicate male sexuality being demonized if it's the one "damaging" the woman? And I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because you're using the fact that horrible men do bad things means that male sexuality is celebrated? I must have missed all those "I'm a proud sexual assaulter" parades men have been having in between the "slut walk" and feminist ones. You think possibly being considered easy, or a person who enjoys sex is worse than being lumped in with the men who do all those…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:14 PM
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Right, because if you've been applying to 100% of the jobs you see narrowing that down will obviously improve your odds. /s I'm not even talking about a career (marriage). Just a job (dating)! If someone can't even get an entry level job, in what world would it make sense to further restrict opportunities?Everyone knows the age old wisdom of put your eggs in as few baskets as possible. And please let me know where I can go to school for "I'm attracted to a specific kind of woman and want to lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:26 PM
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The only reason someone is unemployed is because they're applying to every single job regardless of wage. If they just become pickier then they'll have more success! That makes absolutely no sense except for maybe the most exceptionally qualified people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:39 PM
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It's funny how "biological differences" are only allowed to go one way. "We're men, that's just how we act. Women should get used to it, adapt or get lost. Men shouldn't have to adjust their expectations based on reality." Women say that attitude was, and still is at the root of misogyny. But any introspection the other way is just asking too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:45 PM
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My entire life men have been shamed for their narrow, traditional desires of women and I feel like a large amount of men have listened. Why shouldn't a similar focus apply to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:39 PM
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If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:16 PM
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But women only give birth a very limited number of times, so they only face that risk when pregnant. The 8 million construction workers in the US face that risk every day for their whole careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:43 PM
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How average is your social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 04:13 AM
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Yeah, the party of "concepts of a plan". Real problem solvers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:42 PM
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Wtf does that have to do with dating in the initial stages?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:24 PM
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OP: "I think it's ok to compare apples and oranges." YOU: "But why won't you tell us your opinions on apples and oranges? Unless I know exactly how you feel about apples and oranges I can't possibly comment on your original point that has nothing to do with your opinions on the fruit itself."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:07 PM
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But who says we're a solely monogamous species?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 06:46 PM
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Thank you for providing an example for the OP. You didn't even engage my point, just jumped straight to hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:24 PM
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Copying my other reply here: The story I heard is that the payments were calculated based on the success of an acting job, News Radio. They can pay really really well, but are temporary. So the government based his payments on the assumption that he would continue to make the same amount. How the fuck is that fair? His payments were like $10,000/mo. He even petitioned to get the amount lowered but the judge refused. It's like winning $250k on a scratcher, and a court then saying "ok, your paymen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:20 PM
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The story I heard is that the payments were calculated based on the success of an acting job, News Radio. They can pay really really well, but are temporary. So the government based his payments on the assumption that he would continue to make the same amount. How the fuck is that fair? He even petitioned to get the amount lowered but the judge refused. It's like winning $250k on a scratcher, and a court then saying "ok, your payments are now forever based on you earning $300,000 a year."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:13 PM
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What a stupid fucking straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:10 PM
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You know what hasn't helped me in my 36 years? Overthinking and hand wringing about every fucking conversation I had with women I liked because I listened to too many people like you growing up who have an incredibly uncharitable and dogmatic view of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:48 PM
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Funny how that wasn't the message to boys growing up. 'Men have preferences and things they like women to do and perform'. The next sentence was never, 'and that's their right. Women aren't entitled to men's attention.' It was always 'and those things are sexist and outdated and is deeply oppressive to women.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:25 PM
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They rolled quickly for being powerful overlords.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:56 PM
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If I was ok with making women I didn't find attractive uncomfortable, then maybe you'd have a better point. But we're quickly entering "can anyone really be good if they benefit from the good things they do (even if only internally) and therefore have a selfish motive?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:49 PM
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There's a not insignificant amount of young men who don't know how they're supposed to respectfully but directly approach women they're interested in because they listened to women complaining their entire childhood. I know my life would have been better if I cared so much less.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:28 PM
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No one here is accounting for the extra pressure/expectations feminism introduced to boys. "Just because that's how dating has happened for decades and decades doesn't mean it's ok. Men have been oppressing women's agency in dating by leading everything, and making all the moves and pressuring them to sleep with him by paying for everything. WHY CAN'T MEN JUST TREAT WOMEN LIKE PEOPLE. Men can never understand how horrible it is for women to have the pressure of being approached forced on them by…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:17 PM
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Isn't that what women have asked of men? Stop expecting women to perform their gender roles. Reexamine everything about your attraction to women because it's all based on oppression. Women are people, not a means to an end. But now women are like "hehe, we can't help what we're attracted to and there's nothing we could ever do control it or examine our own choices. Why wouldn't a woman pick the choice that benefits her directly the most?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:21 PM
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What a load of anti-men bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:33 PM
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Thanks for backing up my experiences. I'm fortunate enough to not have had an abusive mother, so I can understand how that could compound things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:55 AM
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I always heard the more feminist women saying stuff like "men just treat women like passive objects, as if women are only capable of waiting passively for men to make the moves, or only capable of being attracted to men who do all the work. Women have always had to react to men's sexuality, which is oppressive because women haven't been able to be proactive and make their own decisions. Men also are constantly pushing the envelope, being sexual, making innuendo, and just making women uncomfortab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:46 PM
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Most common?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:52 PM
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Growing up I heard a lot of flak from 'feminists/women' about how: men are sexist and living in the past (because patriarchy/TM) thinking women are passive objects just waiting for a man to come along and make all the moves, and be sexual, and carry the relationship. It just shows how little men think of women that they can't have their own opinions on what they find attractive or make their own moves. It's not the 70s any more, and women have been oppressed by not being able to express their se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:53 PM
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The manosphere isn't the one calling themselves progressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:19 PM
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Many men listened to women and made changes in how they treat and interact with women. It's been a huge change in society. But people like you insist that until all men are perfect women shouldn't have to change or do any work themselves. It's also interesting how progressives fall back on "man up, it's your problem to fix all by yourself" so quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:01 PM
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A big message for a long time has been that men just use women for sex. Just jack off, don't use women like that. Now it's all "why are men so caught up in porn and don't know how to properly fuck a woman?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:46 PM
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It's an extremely common trope of men doing something to upset their partner and the partner holding on to that and using it as a cudgel in the future. For ever. Just this week in a general dating sub someone asked about the seemingly slightly contradictory and confusing desires of women who want a guy who leads, but not a guy who leads too much. The main response from women was they want a guy to take control and lead and make all the decisions and do the mental work of planning shit. But they …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:50 PM
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Or it becomes (relatively) crippling anxiety because women talk about negative experiences and approaches ten fold more than the details of what they do like or what their successful dates have done.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:24 PM
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Then why were land owning women voting in the 1700s?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:38 PM
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Land owning women voted very early in the history of the USA. Several states had granted full voting rights to women before the 1920s. Some as early as 1830. I'm just saying there's so much more nuance than women were completely politically oppressed before 1920s and completely financially oppressed before the 70s. Women had banks that would give them accounts. Not denying the existence of discrimination, just the black and white characterization of everything surrounding these topics. You know …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:38 PM
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I'm really tired of this lazy half truth bullshit with all the nuance stripped out being repeated over and over. It was never illegal for women to have bank accounts and get loans, own property, or even vote. You can't have a good faith conversation if you start from a place of half truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:39 PM
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This is not a normal disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:18 PM
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It's even more frustrating when Trump supporters believe many Fox News talking points, and even just statements out of his mouth that are easily disproven, and then opposers get called out for not compromising and splitting the difference between a 100% false statement and the Democrats position. Ask both sides to describe a car crash. Trump: No one's ever seen a crash like it. There were so- you never seen so many cars. Some are saying, they've been telling me all morning, it's the biggest cras…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:42 PM
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Again people like you have the worst interpretation of men and greatly contribute to this problem. You don't understand what we're talking about at all and just want to talk trash. I heard growing up that even just being sexual could be threatening because men are bigger and stronger, she could be nervous and not want to say no, you don't know how comfortable she is with her sexuality, all this "well technically women can feel threatened when men do (mostly normal thing that could be done slight…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:28 PM
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Right, when I hear "men always think with their dick" I hear "you shouldn't do that", not "well that's what women expect but just tone it down and learn when it's ok to think with your dick."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:17 PM
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That letter is basically condemning the social media response, not that she's innocent and he's guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 06:44 PM
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More than once growing up I heard a woman/feminist/whatever who made a big deal out of how men treat women as lesser because they act like women are just reactive beings just waiting 'like a damsel in distress' for a man to say the right things and push the right buttons. Why can't men just understand that women are people who don't need no man to make up her mind for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:29 PM
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Men definitely haven't listened to women so much that they've changed how they approach and flirt, or even if they do those things in the first place. That would be impossible. There is no way men would listen to complaints from women about men and change the behaviors being complained about. Can you imagine men listening to women and changing in the span of 20-30 years, and changing so much that women start complaining men aren't behaving like, and doing what the women want? Men have been hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:21 PM
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I tell ya, no respect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:03 PM
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Treat women like people so she can treat you like both a piece of meat and the pursuer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 06:48 PM
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Of course you like it. You put all the pressure on the guy you're seeing to interpret your vague signals and then grade the guy based on his performance. Why don't we tell guys "If you think she wants it, just do it." Because that's exactly what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:56 PM
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And if a man is sharing his experience with more than one woman and you tell him he's wrong what then? Are you going to accuse them of not being real women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:27 PM
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I was responding to the "makes that their whole identity" part. If you're constantly rejected and never have success it's pretty easy to become obsessed with what you never got.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:18 PM
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It's just easier for men to be derailed, I think. A woman can be rejected and be down, but then a guy starts hitting on her and some of those feelings disappear. A man has to completely reset and not let the last one change his confidence. And if too many rejections and not enough successes build up it's so easy for a guy to just feel lost and start retreating into themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:52 PM
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And if men are responsible for the current atmosphere of women being tired of being approached and everything that goes with it, then women share some blame for men being unprepared for positive interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:53 PM
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This just sounds like you're saying Women shouldn't have to advocate for themselves, men need to give women what they want before we'll even consider him. Men who don't men perfectly are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:40 PM
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Men are surprised just how prevalent 'fuck you, I got mine' is when it comes to women and gender role equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:56 PM
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"Showing up on time, doing your work and being helpful are just the bare minimum and if you think that entitles you to a job then you're stupid."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:30 PM
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Ok? Slut has a side of it that is playful, and teasing among friends. Yes there is a way to interpret it negatively, but at it's core it just means having and enjoying a lot of sex. Wtf is the positive interpretation of "you have small dick energy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 07:51 PM
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So it is embarrassing and bad to have a small one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 07:23 PM
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A lesbian doesn't want to be involved with men. Awesome non-trivial point you've made.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:06 PM
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Because I always heard what I believed to be feminists losing their shit over how men expect gender roles from women and how it's one of the greatest evils perpetrated on modern women. "Biotruths" are just lies men tell themselves to keep women down. Now men are wondering where their relief from gender roles is, and they get told "What, are you a moron? How did you ever come to the conclusion that that applies to dating? Silly men. Of course men and women are different."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:57 PM
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Sure, I just wish I hadn't spent my whole life being told that biology isn't a valid reason for the things men do to women, or for men's behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:49 PM
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But again, you're saying no matter what it is, why it happens, how it happens, or who it happens to a good person should always have the mental capacity for sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:53 PM
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To extend the metaphor, imagine growing up always hearing about how hammers have been the source of practically all of nail's problems, especially because they want to pound the nails all the time. How hammers are big and strong and could possibly scare the nails into something they don't want to do. How hammers are always deciding which board to take the nail to, never letting the nail have input. How hammers believe and treat nails like they're just passive items waiting around for hammers to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:41 PM
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So one trait you attribute to good people is boundless sympathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:06 PM
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Comfortable with nudity = dregs of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:31 PM
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I'm sorry that all men that exist only want to have sex with you and that none of the men who show interest in you would ever want more, or could possibly be good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:26 PM
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Exactly. Then when you try to explain that they'll say "hehe, obviously I still meant you should flirt, and escalate, make moves and be mysterious and interesting. But just also treat her like a guy friend."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 07:18 PM
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I'm getting better. Still extremely depressed at all the missed opportunities, and lack of opportunities now. One thing that helped just a tiny bit was finally getting a girl into my bed shortly after that post. It still wasn't great, she basically was like "so are you going to make a move, it's the second time I'm over at your house, and even though I told you the first time I trusted you not to try anything, now I'm going be passive aggressive about it." It at least was a reminder that oh yeah…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:54 PM
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Here's a post I wrote years ago I guess this is sort of one of my recent issues with what I've believed feminism is my whole life. I've had similar conversations with girls I met on OKCupid or Craigslist. They find it absolutely odd that I'm a virgin and believe it makes me less of a man, or hurts my attractiveness. It was always framed over the past 15-20 years (when I could start to understand things like this) that feminism was the upcoming movement, and to be OK with women and if you believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 07:14 PM
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Then they just see me as a friend and lose any interest they might have had.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 05:34 PM
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I think I saw this one on my bumble today.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/03/22 01:49 AM
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"The world is completely fair"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:46 PM
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Because "women aren't just passive flowers who have no feelings of their own for men until a guy come along and says the right things and pushes the right buttons. That's old school sexist shit." Or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 03:19 PM
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Parents desperate to excuse or rationalize their kids behavior in any way they can.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/21 01:52 PM
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I've never seen evidence of dead people voting in "droves".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:30 PM
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Or it implies they're a threat that need to be watched.
/r/MensRights05/11/20 06:16 PM
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That's another side of it. I heard about how men use biology as an excuse to do things. "I'm a guy, I can't help it, I chase pussy, tough shit" is how men justify themselves making women uncomfortable and feeling like objects men want to collect. I think the most extreme example, which I haven't heard used in a while, is the whole "biotruths" buzzword argument. Men think it's ok to do all this because 'biotruufs' and they think it's ok to make women uncomfortable because it's in "muh biology", o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 06:20 PM
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When you are growing up, and hear all sorts of comments about how women aren't just reactive passive things waiting for a bold confident guy to give them tingles, because that's a sexist view of women. How women are perfectly capable of doing everything a guy does, and don't you dare think otherwise. They have their own preferences and are perfectly capable of initiating, and communicating what they're looking for in a man without you constantly prodding and pushing. Then you find out that yes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:57 PM
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Because half the time (if not more) men are told that they're treating women as subhuman if they sexualize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 07:47 PM
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“You’re the gay one. Wanting to be with a woman? How gay is that. You win sex against a man, that’s as straight as it gets.” —Devon Banks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 07:24 PM
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I feel like I was told that it's a new age. Women are perfectly capable of making first moves, and just as men should temper their sexist expectations women should be doing the same thing and not expecting guys to make every move and do stereotypical guy stuff. I've gotten myself on dates, but then I don't know what to do, and they read my nervousness as disinterest. Of course now everyone wants to say it's mostly my fault that I didn't make everything super clear for the girl and push super har…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 11:56 PM
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I'm pretty asocial (Antisocial is more like someone who shits in the punchbowl, or lights a stink bomb). I still like hanging out with a really good friend, or my family. I want to find a woman who I click with in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 07:43 PM
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Then they make fun of it and how stupid it was in a later episode.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 09:49 PM
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There's a huge fucking difference between someone who gets occasional sex, but keeps chasing that feeling/high, and someone who's never had much if any sexual attention from the opposite sex and wants to experience one of the basic human experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 08:35 PM
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Because I feel like growing up I was told all about how horrible it is for women to be the subject of men's attention. How men put women in uncomfortable positions with propositions, or trying to flirt, hit on, make a move, or impress them, or have a tendency to take the lead and how this is a big basis for the "patriarchy", though it wasn't called that explicitly, because it reinforces men as actors and women as acted upon. Men just need to be more understanding of women's roles, and how men's …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 12:07 AM
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Because I was told by at least one teacher I respected that if you believe in equal rights you're a feminist, and it's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 10:54 PM
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One of the things that I think has fucked me over since childhood is hearing and believing women/feminists who deny this. It gets lumped in with all the "women are just regular people, just talk to them like it, if you ever treat a woman differently than you would a man, you're a misogynist, etc." I remember noticing this about women when I was young, then at some point I heard complaints all about how men take every shot they can, always make women uncomfortable by making innuendos, or making t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 07:04 PM
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The "no reason at all" is years and years of building frustration. " Women are constantly being hit on, it men always turn things to sex and make jokes and innuendos. It makes them feel like men only want them for their body. Just get to know her like a regular person. You don't need to make any special moves or feel like it's all up to you to make something happen. That puts a lot of pressure on her too, and it possibly means you see women as incapable of making moves. Women like sex just as mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 07:20 PM
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Yeah, fuck everything, nothing matters, why try and be better and create a better world?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:38 PM
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If you're taught that most of the default dating gender role of men is objectifying, or damaging to women, there isn't a good way to just snap out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 06:07 PM
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One kind of answer begins with the residual guilt many men feel around sex. A good number of them spend the bulk of their formative adolescent years feeling that sex is something they want far more of, and far more urgently, than women. They would love to go further, try certain things, but the girls they know too often look straight through them and never call back. The scenarios in porn and in their imaginations seem incapable of being enacted with anyone available in the real world. The resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 05:07 PM
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Part of the issue is as a guy you can't wait for women to make it clear, because you could be waiting your entire life.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 04:24 PM
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Why does that have anything to do with the wealth gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:12 PM
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That's exactly what is happening. You can't create value from thin air with extra tugging on your bootstraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 10:16 PM
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How about "those rich people are taking all the money so there's little left for everyone else".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 08:26 PM
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I'm curious how you differentiated between 'too afraid to approach' and 'don't want to impose'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 08:02 PM
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If only they said that in the first line of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:13 PM
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Each individual mother of every skin color and background has the freedom to make the choice based on their own circumstances, and that's why it's exactly like Nazism and white supremacy. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:10 PM
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Because it's a stupid fucking logic jump. "Why don't you just round up and kill all cats and dogs if spaying and neutering is so important to you? Obviously you think animals can't have good lives" captures about the same amount of nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 06:37 PM
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I was told pussy isn't a thing you should want to "get" because women's bodies aren't playthings for you to complete for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 09:23 PM
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Aren't those the exact thing that leads to toxic masculinity? Men thinking they have to compete be stronger, more protective, dominant and tough? A lot of men take it too far because that's all they know, which results in what people call toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 10:35 PM
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Then what is positive masculinity? Pretty much every time I see someone put forth what they see as masculine traits, someone else follows it up with "Are you saying women aren't [list]? Those are human traits! There's nothing in that list that men should have exclusively."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:35 PM
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He admitted to obstruction of justice. He straight up told Lester Holt he fired Comey because he wouldn't drop the Russia investigation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:25 PM
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I mean, that's all well and good, if everyone admits that it's the man's job to get the woman, and his job to make the first move. Or at least that its primarily up to the guy. I was always told that's an old fashioned and essentially sexist world view. Or it can be sexist if you express it in the wrong way. "OMG you don't need to treat her any different. Just talk to her. That's it." Well if I only have to talk to her, then at some point someone must make a move, but not me because that's treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:30 PM
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Misogyny is literally the hatred, disdain, or prejudice towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 06:12 PM
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Is being a gay man and expecting sex for being a good person misandry? Do they literally hate men because they think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 05:27 PM
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So basically anytime any guy has an inappropriate response to rejection, it's evidence of "nice guy syndrome"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 05:23 PM
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