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What about puzzles? Are those inherently hostile? Take composed chess problems for example. Chess is a competitive game, but in composed problems the composer creates a challenge and the solver solves them. The people I know who create and solve chess puzzles care about very different things (elegance, beauty, subtly, humor, pattern). Or what about those impossible jigsaw puzzles? Stave Puzzles comes to mind, they supposedly have puzzles that go together various ways that seem correct until the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:55 PM
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Sure. How about we just say ~whatever~ to this pointless semantics and you skip to your point? If I see a wolf and a human, I know which of the two is a person. And I assume you do too. So why does this matter? Would you treat a wolf the same way you would treat your husband? Why or why not? They're both animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 08:51 PM
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Most people don't mate with animals. Interpret as you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 08:36 PM
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Sure. What I mean is that "homo sapiens sapiens" and "animalia not homo sapiens sapiens" are different things even though homo sapiens sapiens are animalia. I'm not sure what's so interesting to you about it so I can't help there. To me this seems like one of those arguments about whether tomatoes are vegetables or fruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 08:26 PM
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Species boundaries are tricky. Let me know what you find out. Also let me know if you manage to get pregnant by a captive wolf.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 08:15 PM
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Actually we're all just some sort of multi-cellular yeast.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 08:12 PM
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In terms of human civilization, animals and people are generally considered to be not the same thing. To the point that I think the burden of proof lies on people bringing in non-human behavior to justify its relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 08:06 PM
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"Civilization" is captivity and we have been undergoing a long incomplete auto domestication process since agriculture and citification Yes, progress has outpaced evolution. What that indicates is that we have evolved to be very adaptive creatures. In large part that is because we rely heavily on transmission of learned behavior from generation to generation rather than genetics. "English" and "reading" and "language" and "math" are not coded into our DNA. No one has ever been simply applying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 07:58 PM
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Sowmuch? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 07:10 PM
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Insert the part where you pretend you need a dictionary to lookup the word satire. This is the quality of "debate" on this sub. Not impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:41 PM
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I'd like to know why you would give different answers to TBP and PPD to sincere questions? Particularly when you say you were under the impression that you were in PPD and not TBP? The implication is you routinely shitpost in a "debate" sub and run away like a spooked sow when even remotely challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:20 PM
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This is the top level comment you made /r/TheBluePill/comments/6uakqw/is_there_anyone_here_who_used_to_really_truly/dlroxf4/ And in that thread you said to get responses in PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:11 PM
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But like how did you make that mistake? You posted a top level comment. If you thought you were posting in PPD doesn't that mean you wanted to engage is some sort of debate as per the PPD sidebar directives? Or do you just come to PPD for the shitposts and circlejerks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:00 PM
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What's so great about PPD? I mean you saw something worth commenting on in TheBluePill so what's the big deal? Why are you making me come here to get an answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 05:50 PM
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Oh look. We found her husband.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/17 11:49 AM
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Neither can I be "Blue Pill" because fantasy relationships are extremely rare, if not impossible, nor are they realistic most of the time. It's difficult to balance the two, because if you're too much one or the other, you still lose. Also, still relevant, people who are too Blue Pilled have a tendency to get taken advantage of, or have others walk all over them, and, yeah, I'm not going to be that guy. Not to point out the obvious but, like, The Red Pill doesn't have exclusivity on self-help an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:28 PM
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expect them to fix it That's the actual problem. I don't want to fix them or be responsible for them. But I need to know what makes her tick even if I don't understand it. I don't care if things she's dealing with are revolting or disturbing or embarrassing or whatever. But I certainly don't want some glassy-eyed manikin putting on a show. Flipping that around is how I approach my own vulnerability. An analogy I like is that I'm in one room and I hear noises from the next door room. I'm curious …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 01:38 PM
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There are subs that will secretly have all your comments automatically removed as "spam" without notice (confusingly people call this a shadowban but reddit's actual shadowban is different and will make you invisible to all subs). For example apparently TwoXChromosomes had been doing this for some time and recently converted their shadowban list to real bans. People received ban notices and couldn't figure out why and moderators would just notify them they'd already been secretly banned for year…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 11:32 PM
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FeMRADebates does this very transparently. They have some sort of a bot and you can browse each moderator's activity. See the bottom of their sidebar for links to each moderator's deleted comments threads (example). Discussions about deletions also take place in public. There's also an automated reputation system with ban tiers it ties into.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 11:09 PM
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Well, she did come here to exredpill and not MRP presumably to discuss things with people who are not red pill. When one of your wives actually wants to talk to MeRPs, all she has to do is send her tits to stoney. It's pretty simple.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/17 07:37 PM
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You're young, not even married for a year and have posted steadily about constant fighting starting two months after you got married. It doesn't sound like your marriage started out well and it doesn't sound like it's on a path toward getting better. I'm sorry.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/17 07:04 PM
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Seriously. Do they expect those crabs to just climb into the buckets? lol
/r/MGTOW18/05/17 11:30 PM
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Ok, so yeah, it could be a giant conspiracy. Let me offer a slightly different explanation. Let's set the scene. Your daughter comes to you distraught: Daughter: My husband is abusing me. I don't know what to do. Help. You: You're a liar. You: You're abusive. You: You probably deserve it. You: The possibilities are endless. It's just not the right place or time to be having that conversation.
/r/askMRP17/05/17 12:45 PM
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Sorry you misunderstood. He stated "racism" is "the scientific method applied to human beings". This is a semantic definition. What he wrote means that using the scientific method to generate knowledge about human beings is identical to racism. This means that evidence of the use of scientific method is both necessary and sufficient to identify racism. That's absurd. That's just the words he wrote as I understand English. What he actually meant by selecting those words and placing them in that s…
/r/PussyPass16/04/17 12:02 AM
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The claim made was Racism is the application of scientific method to human beings. Application of scientific method to human beings in the West is governed by these documents. What exactly is racist about them? Equivalently, how would he modify these documents to allow whatever he's claiming is suppressed to be studied?
/r/PussyPass15/04/17 05:56 PM
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Oh were you serious? You can't do those transplants because the recipient will suffer graft-vs-host disease. But I still don't know what your claim is.
/r/PussyPass14/04/17 10:08 PM
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I see. Which argument did I lose again?
/r/PussyPass14/04/17 09:48 PM
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I'm confused? It's similar biologic process at play here. What exactly is your claim?
/r/PussyPass14/04/17 09:43 PM
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Is this like ELI5 compatibility factors or something? Who's blood genetics is superior? Universal donor or universal recipient?
/r/PussyPass14/04/17 09:30 PM
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Care to comment on The Nuremberg Code and Declaration of Helsinki?
/r/PussyPass14/04/17 08:54 PM
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Did you all just set up shop here after altright was banned? What does this have to do with the Pussy Pass? Edit: so it looks like altright was banned in Feb and u/grumpynomad's been away from reddit since fall last year so one of you were on the mod team and y'all setup shop and moved in here to hide from admins playing wackamole looking for new subreddits to sprout up?
/r/PussyPass14/04/17 05:07 PM
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Unrelated but... did they separate out gay men from those stats? Or do gay men not watch porn? Or do gay men watch straight porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 01:44 PM
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One of the big things that got to me was the overwhelming fear that it's not fine to not be a part of it. It's not what drew me there at all, but it's terrifying. So, yes I'd say I felt left out of it, but it's because they insist that all your problems are because you are not a part of it. I personally know that I never made any effort to go out and party so I don't blame anyone except myself about that. But I'm also back to not giving a shit. I'm not sure how much of that is chicken or egg is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 07:11 PM
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Well, I've always thought party culture was stupid and never had any desire to be part of it in the first place, so I probably don't really know anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 06:58 PM
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Oh, well if you're including automobiles and city planning based around automobiles as technology, then sure. I personally think it's more that the social functions of churches haven't been replaced by anything and we've also lost the cultural commonality of broadcast TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 06:43 PM
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What is... high school achievement culture? I'm old. To me that's like... taking a bunch of APs and getting high GPAs and volunteer work and a life focused on college admissions and scholarships. But I don't understand how that relates to technology. Something different?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:59 PM
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You're looking at the moths, not the flame they're drawn toward. I mean yeah, at a certain level the moths are drawn to the flame because they're moths. But that's not the point. Why that particular flame, rather than say feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:40 PM
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Do you think men go to TRP because they aspire to be rapists? What exactly do you think draws men there?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:19 PM
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Oh, come on. Only a moron doesn't know "teaching men about consent" is lipstick on "teaching men about rape". Men aren't stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:05 PM
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Yeah, I agree. I don't think men aspire to be "not rapists" if you know what I mean? It would be much more effective if we "teach men to have fun sex" or something. But that's not sufficiently puritanical.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:01 PM
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Right. So the point is if you call it "rape awareness" or "rape" anything they're already checked out because they don't see themselves as potential rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 04:50 PM
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It's been a while since I read it but my memory is that the article that's talking about doesn't really lay out the discrepancy between 31.7% (would force) and 13.6% (would rape) as a gap that can be closed by education, though. I think the paper was contextualizing it as a semantic problem with the reach of the word "rape" in the study population.* IIRC my favorite part of that study was something like one subject who reported they would rape but not use force and who was therefore excluded as …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 04:40 PM
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Yeah, but did Wesley rape Buttercup? That's what I want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 03:48 PM
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Do you seriously think rapist's behavior was due to lack of education? That it was some sort of accidental thing? I'm far less charitable, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 03:28 PM
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What percentage of men are rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 02:33 PM
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How is rapists making excuses even remotely that "men used to accidentally rape women because they didn't know how consent works"? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 02:25 PM
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Dunno. Doesn't that sort of imply a certain... lightness... to travel through the air? Not the sort of machine-to-machine lumbering through a tangled mass of frayed cables atop cheeto-stained basement throw rugs to find the loose connection where the token fell out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 02:08 PM
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Is lanwhale a thing? If not it's my new favorite typo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 01:51 PM
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There are no reliable tests to distinguish between the slow and aggressive forms and treatment is barbaric. It's also not easy to, say, check your prostate for lumps or monitor it for changes. Any sort of argument you make for ignoring prostate cancer on the basis that diseases that affect both men and women are more clinically relevant can be just as easily applied to breast cancer. The reason MRA focus on it is because of the disproportionate funding disparity: https://www.cancer.org/research/…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:59 PM
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Care to walk me through whatever dismissive thought you're gesticulating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:04 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/data/men.htm Edit: I mean, you're technically correct that breast cancer is higher than prostate cancer in both incidence (123.7 vs 101.6 per 100,000) and mortality (20.7 vs 19.2 per 100,000). But the difference is nowhere near as dramatic as you make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:44 PM
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Oh! I meant it as an actual English word. Occult refers to hidden knowledge. The info used to be public, now I think it's "secret".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 06:57 PM
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Security through obscurity isn't security. Also can't imagine flair itself is doxxable. If someone doesn't want to be flaired I'm sure mods would remove it. I guess I could start r/redpillflairwatch and write a bot to build and publish the lists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 06:55 PM
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LOL please tell me you're just innocently mixing two completely different threads together and not having a psychotic break! I assumed u/aquaticbub was trying to thread the needle writingprompts-style based on his "mediator" flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 06:48 PM
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Is there a list of endorsed contributors somewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 06:44 PM
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Seriously what does Yeah, neo is like that. But retured at 40 with full financial independance... So theres value, regardless if you like the torah ... have to do with trpbot or TRP endorcements? I figured you just replied to the wrong comment or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 06:10 PM
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... I don't follow?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 05:59 PM
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I'm more interested in the question of what sorts of lay comments were noticed to be of high enough quality that an endorsement was given. The sort of stuff you can find in u/trpbot's history and the wiki pages it recorded. But that seems to have gone silent two years ago. That log makes it seem like it used to be quite meritocratic, but it seems to have made a turn for the occult now. Edit: not meant as a judgment. I've been reading trpbot and finding it interesting and wondering whether the ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 05:45 PM
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*phew*
/r/askMRP24/01/17 12:59 AM
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Shit. Was it me? I'm a trainwreck. Also my OPSEC is... notoriously awful. Someone sends me a ";)" or "<3" and I go all stupid and thirsty. Really need to get in on that paying-homeless-children-to-purchase-prepaid-phones-using-cash thing.
/r/askMRP24/01/17 12:48 AM
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'Sex at Dawn' ...is such false horseshit that actual scientists working in the field were driven to write 'Sex at Dusk' as a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 07:26 PM
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Who says anybody hates anyone? Many of the deadbedrooms posters are otherwise entirely satisfied and fulfilled (and some are... not). I don't know what your relationship is but try to imagine you're married raising kids and then somehow nothing changes except there's just no sex. And that for whatever reason your partner isn't bothered by this. The question is how important is sex to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 09:58 PM
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You say it "will be much worse" but for many it's still going to be some form of pursuing full-time relationships, while co-parenting, paying child support, paying alimony, etc. It's not at all obvious to me that's even remotely likely to be worse than occasionally engaging a sex worker or finding some NSA strange on work trips.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 09:31 PM
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That assumes that continuing a deadbedroom (but with access to an affair partner) is as bad as divorce. Both for the cheater and for all parties involved. You'll have to convince me of that because it's not black and white. To the extent that the downsides of both options are essentially the same, I think there's a strong argument that choosing the option that guarantees the downside is not rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 09:02 PM
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A spouse who cheats after years of deadbedroom is unsympathetic? I'm skeptical that a spouse who refuses to put in effort to reconcile a deadbedroom is going to be any more amicable one way or the other. But then again I also am of the opinion that divorce attorneys know well how to emotionally abuse clients and judges.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:46 PM
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Fault is becoming mostly irrelevant. All states have no-fault divorce. Almost all no longer have fault-based divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:17 PM
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If I ever find or harvest any I'll take you up on the offer!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 12:02 AM
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Man. You really need to teach me your ways. I've got nothing for r/PMclub :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:27 PM
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I don't know how many times you can be told that men get the message that the "fit athletic man" is just one of many types that women are interested in and that men should "just be yourself" and focus on their strengths rather than improving their weaknesses. Maybe try femsplaining it harder? That'll work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 03:19 PM
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Do you think PoC have any chance to modify white culture nearly as effectively as whites can? They can point out how we cause suffering, but we'll always understand how our culture works more instinctively. It's pretty common sense--and it's the exact same argument about why minority representation is important. FWIW I knew you were talking like I did a year or so ago so every one of your comments made perfect sense to me with my natural inner monologue adding intonation. But I also knew that I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 03:16 AM
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FYI male chastity devices are designed to prevent erections while worn. And there are automated online keyholder systems you could use. The presence of the device could also work to remind you of your vow. Maybe try that before surgical options.
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 05:29 PM
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There's no denying that whites are responsible for this. We can moan all we want that if minorities had turned out or whatever that the election would have been peachy. That's bullshit. Trump should not have been elected even if only white men voted. We failed. It's our job to fix whites.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:58 PM
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There's a difference between seeking to understand what others think and being enslaved by what others think. Or worse: being enslaved by what you think others think. It's your pedestalization and envy of women's solipsism and narcissism that concerns me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 09:05 AM
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You seem give too many fucks what women and other people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 01:30 AM
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Have you read WISNIFG?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 11:49 PM
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How can defining the term "AWALT" and only including negative qualities not bake in judgment in your eyes? What behaviors within AWALT do you think don't apply to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 11:28 PM
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You think disagreement about whether AWALT is misogyny is only possible from a position of ignorance? I can just as easily say something like "you don't understand the basics of misogyny". Why do you think AWALT is not misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 09:53 PM
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Everybody has the capacity to be an asshole. Differentiating AWALT from APALT is bullshit misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 08:21 PM
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We're discussing whether your writing and cognitive style is effective. You poison yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 05:27 PM
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Well, I suppose he himself must be uncomfortable with these truths. Any sign of his own struggle with discomfort is never seen anywhere in Rational Male, he's more axiomatic than skeptical. To me this reads that he is himself unpersuaded. He lacks the confidence to speak plainly. Or you can give him the benefit of the doubt that he does fully accept these things and is just tediously obtuse. Then we're back to him presuming the opinions of people who disagree as discussed previously. Either way …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 05:18 PM
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When someone says something is an "uncomfortable truth" that's their own interpretation for why someone else is rejecting their ideas. Rollo thinks people think his ideas are stupid because he thinks others feel uncomfortable. That's the only thing his fragile ego can accept. To reinforce this he shellacs on a layer of intellectually contempt language games. But basically I think he's conflating things. His ideas are stupid. He's used to people feeling uncomfortable around him. I don't doubt tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:04 PM
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Oh.... yeah I totally missed that. It is obviously pretty dangerous when BP men think RP men are made of anti-matter. Maybe they're from the upside down, too? I'd like an example someone with a non-ego-invested idealism? I just can't figure one out. Sorry sometimes I'm dense like that. There's an interesting thing about emotions I realized. I used to think that proof and logic weren't emotional. But do you know that charge you feel when you know you're working on a promising solution and the rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 10:11 PM
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True... however: Enemy is a better word choice and closer to his intended meaning. Not sure any distinction was drawn anywhere. I don't see any answers to either of your why questions in Rollo's version. Complexity isn't a virtue. Try editing back in what you think is missing and maybe your objections will be more clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 09:47 PM
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I don't see how anything except Rollo's ego is lost. His writing is worse than passive voice--it's Rollo voice. If you diagram the fucking sentence and the meaning is way out on the branches and the core is the speaker's inflated ego, your writing sucks. What do you miss? Add it back. Show it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 09:17 PM
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I’m emphasizing this because I think it’s important for Red Pill aware men to understand the dangers of being perceived as the antithesis of these men’s ego-investments in Blue Pill idealism. This may take the form of him just despising you for revealing uncomfortable truths to him with your own presence and lifestyle, or it may be him pinning his failures to consolidate his Blue Pill ideals to you and wanting to eliminate both you and the truth you represent. vs dunno 30sec editing (feel free t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 09:09 PM
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Human rights are not earned. All people deserve respect. In the end your views on abuse and misogyny are clearly non-standard and not mainstream. Your frame of reference is invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:26 PM
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It's not about the act, it's about who is the actor and who is the target. It's not the actions that makes it misogyny. The actions make it abuse. Abuse that targets women is misogyny. Abuse that does not target women is not misogyny. When men abuse women it's misogyny. TRP advises men to abuse women. You keep conjuring things that TRP does not do in order to get away from the word misogyny. But it is irrelevant because TRP doesn't advise any of that. When women abuse men it is not misogyny. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:20 PM
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That's the door you keep opening trying to prove something. It's all you. It's dread game done by any and everyone to any and everyone who's not TRP at any point of spacetime in this or any other universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:08 PM
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Not at all! People want to fuck. But there's no pussyfooting around the fact that dread is abusive and objectifying. And that TRP advocates its deliberate use. I'm open to new evidence. I suspect your interest in the topic is not genuine, but if you want to learn there are plenty of resources for learning how to respect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:05 PM
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There, I inserted a new row just for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:59 PM
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Not true. See for example Stoltenberg's writings. Sexual strategy based on mutual respect is entirely possible. TRP is fundamentally disrespectful of women. TRP's male sexual strategy is misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:52 PM
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Dread within the context of the sidebar it is misogyny. Rule 0: male sexual strategy Sidebar specifically instructs use by men on women Intent is sexual coercion/subjugation of women by men In determining whether dread as advocated by TRP is objectionable outside TRP, it must be evaluated in terms of feminism. The methods described are considered to be misogyny within feminism. Your ignorance of feminism is not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:46 PM
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Hypothesis: The TRP advice that is objectionable is also misogyny Evidence On sidebar Objectionable Misogyny Result Lift Yes No No Confirmed Dread game Yes Yes Yes Confirmed Non-TRP dread game No Yes ? Confirmed Abusive women No Yes No Confirmed Abusive gays No Yes No Confirmed Non-TRP abusive men No Yes Yes Confirmed
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:30 PM
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I'm trying to explain dread game is not a fundamentally trp concept It's on the sidebar. Do you truly believe TRP invented dread game? Who gives shit? On the sidebar it is misogynist. What's the relevance of this bullshit? If you want to rise to the challenge of finding TRP advice that is (1) offensive but (2) not misogynist you need to search (3) within the sidebar, not outside TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:03 PM
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I have already explained that it is dehumanizing and oppressive to reduce women to sex objects. Oppression of women is misogyny. Let's assume TRP is for gay men. No. Because it's not. You're playing a stupid semantic game with the goal of redefining symbols to mismatch meanings. You are negating rule zero. TRP is fundamentally about male sexual entitlement to women. They advise to use dread game on male partners. Is it now misandry? Semantics applied to not-TRP don't apply to TRP. It's irrelevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:37 PM
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No, it's objectively misogyny. You're just trying to normalize it. Dread game is deliberate. Attachment issues are common for all people. Anyone who deliberately exploits them is an abusive asshole. Yes, abusive women do exist. Yes, men can introspect and realize they do dumb things for women because they have unresolved attachment issues. That doesn't mean abuse is acceptable. Abuse is unacceptable. The fact that TRP does not advise women to abuse men means that what you are claiming as an exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:12 PM
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Like I said It depends on what you are talking about when you say "dread game" because it's such an amorphous blob. Abuse is abuse. TRP does advocate for men to abuse women under the guise of "dread game" and yes, that is misogyny. I have not read where TRP advocates for women to abuse men. Do you have a relevant sidebar link?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:23 PM
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There's a mountain of difference between intentional and accidental action.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 05:41 PM
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Solid choice but vague. That's a complicated one with parts that are BP acceptable and parts that are misogyny. Particularly since BPP has used a slippery slope to label basic self-care "dread". A lot of what passes as "dread" is not objectionable. Caring about your own health, appearance, posture, mental health, confidence, self-respect, self-care, not being needy, etc. Nobody objects to this. The concept of dread in PUA is to exploit attachment anxieties in women in order to manipulate them in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 01:08 PM
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All I ask is something from the sidebar that is BP objectionable and that is not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 04:45 AM
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Congratulations on failing both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 12:18 AM
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You're just bullshitting and refusing to actually address anything. Nothing you wrote is not weasel. I'm not wasting any more time with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 12:13 AM
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The issue here is to provide a definition of blue pill. I don't care what anything seems. I care about definitions. Or cite sidebar material that is both not misogynistic and is rejected by "BP".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:44 PM
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Red pill's idea of recognizing the differences is that women are inferior and are dependent on man. Depends on the camp, but feminism to me is fundamentally about women's liberation from sexist oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:40 PM
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My definition of misogyny is primarily based on reading books by Dworkin and Stoltenberg. But also feminist blogs, subreddits and discussions with feminists. Don't be afraid of Dworkin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:11 PM
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No. A person following RP advice with the misogyny deleted will be accepted within feminism. That's not the same thing as saying that any person following non-RP advice can just add misogyny and will be considered RP. There are also non-RP misogynists. The real question here is the precise definition of BP vs RP vs PP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:01 PM
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How do I decide if I'm red pill or blue pill? Have you played with the Venn diagram much? Have you figured out that the only thing that's red but not blue is misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:48 PM
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if we don't give men sex willy nilly, they'll do more things for us & give us more resources in order to get it. Won't this ultimately reinforce the wage gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 07:51 PM
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He was attractive before he was in his 40's. So what does all this mean in terms of how you plan to attract women?
/r/askTRP18/09/16 06:43 PM
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He was attractive before he was in his 40's. I'm curious what does all this mean to you in terms of how you plan to attract women?
/r/askTRP18/09/16 06:43 PM
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A women getting together with a 35yo man who looks 25yo doesn't say anything about that woman's attraction to the looks of 35yo men in general.
/r/askTRP18/09/16 04:22 PM
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Sure. But if she can't tell he's not 25 what does that actually say about her preferences?
/r/askTRP18/09/16 03:43 PM
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Think what you want. Our cohorts are 20 years apart. You're more likely to know what today's 19yo find fashionable and attractive. Younger him wasn't trying to appeal to today's 19yo.
/r/askTRP18/09/16 02:36 PM
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His younger picture looks would have been considered hotter when I was young. I'm pretty sure what's considered hot in 2016 is different from 1996. Longitudinal evidence isn't useful. You would have to ask the women who were 19etc at the time.
/r/askTRP18/09/16 02:26 PM
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Did he get the role of Superman because of his age? Or because he's talented and hot? I'm not familiar with Cavill's life story. Was he some sort of incel prior to getting the role?
/r/askTRP18/09/16 02:10 PM
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Ok, we'll I'm 39. I remember when these people first became heartthrobs and this all seems easy to explain as preselection. Celebrities aren't a good gage for real life. These people also have managers and image consultants.
/r/askTRP18/09/16 02:01 PM
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You know maybe it's generational but I can't really say I knew any girls who hung posters of old men on their walls or gushed and twittered over them? River Phoenix and such were not 35 in the late 80's. Depp was on their walls in the early '90s. Ditto with Timberlake, he was first considered hot in the mid 90's. He's not suddenly hot now.
/r/askTRP18/09/16 12:09 PM
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There exist anti-feminists who want women rounded up and shot. Obviously you must now pick your appellations based on which slippery slope you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 08:06 PM
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No, I'm saying that based on my knowledge of biology and genetics your claims are extraordinary, and your extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This is Occam's razor. Edit: The text you quoted is my opinion, not a claim. I am the ultimate authority of my own opinions. There is no source to cite. The support for that opinion is the comment you lifted it from.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 11:56 PM
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Feminism represents reactions to the same forces that cause misery, but TRP and the manosphere have misidentified feminism as the source of the misery. Where previously men relied on women as human shields to protect themselves from misery, now they are directly exposed. The misery should be dealt with directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:20 PM
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Knowledge of the threat unified masses pose to the elite goes back millennia. Sowing discord is a long established tactic. The fact that TRP benefits the elite is all that matters for them to encourage its growth. Particularly given the threat interconnection and freedoms provided by the internet poses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:01 PM
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.... You're saying that because TRP believes it's women's nature to torture men, that somehow TRP does not blame women for men's suffering? But you'll have to be more specific about what you're seeing and who you're defining as industrialists Read the linked PDF in my OP. It's pretty clear about all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:50 PM
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Of course there are always exceptions. Mutations in vestigial genes are not selected against and depending on how precisely they are coded it can take quite a while for them to drift. The theory about hiccups is a good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:48 PM
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They are core theory items from the TRP sidebar canon. They are relevant to this post because they place significant blame for men's suffering on women. They are relevant to your comment because they also have nothing to do with sexual strategy. It follows that blaming women for men's suffering is core tenet of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:36 PM
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What part of knowing that something is unresolved science makes you think I'm stupid enough to try and prove anything? I already mentioned that you're veering into the pragmatically unprovable. If you want to read something that I think will help you understand what's wrong here start with the works of Karl Popper and understand why falsification is necessary. If there is some specific fact I mentioned that you would like source for, then I'll entertain providing it. Otherwise all of what I've w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:27 PM
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You came with a theory and are unable to defend it against even the most basic criticism taught in something like introduction to neuroscience research. Where the defense of your theory currently stands is: (1) the burden of proof is obviously on you as you've offered the theory (2) you do not dispute the legitimacy of the criticism (3) the criticism is fatal to your argument. "We don't know" is quite a bit weaker than "No, they aren't. That much is fact." The appeal to ignorance fallacy probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:07 PM
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I like to waltz. After I studied the waltz I had a better experience dancing with people who wanted to waltz. How does "The Misandry Bubble" and "The Manipulated Man" teach men what women are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:41 PM
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Trick question: Do you understand why "male brain" and "female brain" in quotes in your excerpt? Look, you can try to play the Nature vs Nurture game about the brain all you want, but it is completely unresolved science. If you plop a brain down in front of a pathologist they can't actually tell you the gender or the sexual orientation or race or whatever with any degree of accuracy. You certainly can't show what aspects of brain structure are a result of genetics vs use. There is a capacity the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:32 PM
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I agree it's not a magical box for asserting convenient evidence as support of rando theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:11 PM
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No, they aren't. That much is fact. Men are physically stronger, women are more socially intelligent. Men evolved to be physically stronger and more spatially aware in order to hunt and track, and women evolved to be social animals that kept society together (familial bonds). Citation needed. The brain is extremely plastic. Hang out with neurosurgeons. Coding this sort of thing in a sex-based way is extremely slow and wasteful. It makes no sense. It's retarded to think this sort of specializatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 06:40 PM
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You are intellectually and emotionally weak and cower within the TRP herd to soothe your insecurities. You are a herd animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 05:51 PM
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Sigh Michael's Story The Misandry Bubble The Manipulated Man Your turn. Prediction: continued tempo weaseling because you're an ignorant troll. If you do not reply with a link, I declare victory.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 05:30 PM
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I'm asking you (the TRP expert) to show me evidence of an in-between in the TRP canon. TRP canon blaming women for men's suffering is trivial to find. Just show me where TRP disowns that portion of its own canon. You're the one asserting its existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:16 PM
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Your questions are off topic to whether or not TRP's teachings blame women for men's suffering. I'm not discussing this with you further until you descend from your blinding scaffold of logical tangents and show some good faith by admitting you are a liar or post links to TRP canon that supports your unfounded assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:09 PM
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So go live in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:05 PM
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Why are you defending TRP if you have zero actual clue about any of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 04:00 PM
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What's Rule 0? I wasn't asking for your to post a link to r/feminsim... Admit you've got nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:55 PM
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Seems we agree TRP is a pile of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:51 PM
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You don't have to be a feminist to find virtues in feminism. I'm just asking you to present some TRP / feminism intersection. Should be simple. There are oodles of posts / sidebar materials blaming feminists and women. If blaming women for men's suffering is not a TRP tennet (as you're asserting from your position of ignorance), just find a post from the leadership that corrects my perception. Basically something that says "all that stuff that says to blame women is wrong." With a straight face.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:42 PM
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Find me a link in TRP sidebar extolling the virtues of feminism. Also accepted: a non-ironic post by an EC.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:35 PM
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TRP uses "swallowing the red pill" as a metaphor to describe waking up to the reality that men's suffering is a result of unjust manipulations and lies that benefit women at their expense. That this destruction of the "good old days" is a result and goal of feminism. In fact these changes can be traced back to the masculinity crisis that was caused by the Industrial Revolution and it's devaluation of men and the systematic destruction of family life that were necessary to mobilize and indoctrina…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 03:04 PM
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Crime rates in that neighborhood should be addressed. It's too easy to just ghettoize problems and ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 10:59 AM
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That looks like such a retarded campaign. No wonder it's not effective. "I could tell she was asking for it... Make your move!" This better be a joke. Most retarded effort ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 10:41 AM
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drunk driver : victim :: date rapist : victim
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 12:59 AM
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.... seems irrelevant. Does anyone care who rapists blame for their raping? .... Oh, you're looking at it from the perspective of a drunk rape victim. Why are drunkards somehow allowed to choose to operate a deadly weapon, but can't manage to operate their dicks? But more to the point: we don't fret over a drunk driver's decision to drive as having being impaired by drinking. I can't say I've ever heard anyone attempt that argument. It's laughable. Further: Men look out after each other to preve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 12:03 AM
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Should society consider law abiding victims somewhat culpable for getting in a drunk driver's way? Drunk drivers whine about excessive burdens placed on their driving privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 11:21 PM
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