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After reading this book I realized I have been following pretty much the exact same trajectory as Neil, and was about to do the same things that he does in the book. Needless to say, all my trauma is also mirrored almost exactly as him.
/r/seduction04/03/26 11:16 PM
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Sure, it is this one: https://a.co/d/05mbTAHV
/r/seduction04/03/26 11:08 PM
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I was waiting to see who is the first one to say this. Read the second line again.
/r/seduction04/03/26 11:04 PM
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It's on Amazon. Are you asking for a link to a free version?
/r/seduction04/03/26 06:37 PM
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It's about the recurring theme on this sub of "making the girl want to have sex with you" instead of becoming a person that anyone would want to be with physically/emotionally. Someone once reached out to me asking for some quick easy tricks to make a hot girl at workplace want to have sex with them.
/r/seduction04/03/26 06:36 PM
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There’s an Ashton Kutcher movie similar to that.
/r/seduction18/02/26 09:03 PM
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It’s always amusing when people come here asking for advice but don’t have the skin to hear any real criticism.
/r/seduction14/02/26 06:54 PM
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I have one advice for you: “I have never had a conversation with a girl where she was interested in who I was.” This is a sign of low-esteem and the biggest killer for you. Confidence is infectious, but so is a lack of it. Even if a girl was interested some time, you killed it because subconsciously you were not sure about yourself. Next time, go with the mindset that a girl who could’ve spent her time doing anything in this world is spending it talking to you, so there must be at least somethin…
/r/seduction14/02/26 06:17 PM
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Google for dating coach, I guess? I’m self-taught. So I just read The Game and put myself out in the streets trying everything I could think of. The brain does the rest. It will take a while but you’ll get there if you have the feedback loop going.
/r/seduction14/02/26 06:12 PM
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At this point you do need someone to coach you, or self-coach yourself. It’s like someone who has learned everything about Basketball but still can’t get the ball into the hoop. Someone needs to break down everything and not just once. P.S. I’m not a coach.
/r/seduction14/02/26 05:06 PM
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This.
/r/seduction08/02/26 09:21 PM
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“Even if you’re good looking, if you don’t have status or money to pair with it, it’s STILL a numbers game.” I had a debate on this with a guy on a solo trip, so I pulled a model in front of him without spending a dime. I was jobless. And my goal for 2021 was: girl will pay for the dinner. You’ve got a lot of things right, but you’ve got this one thing wrong, likely because you haven’t seen it yet and that is fine. But it’s not impossible. I don’t want anyone thinking they need to become rich to…
/r/seduction06/02/26 04:30 PM
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Baby steps, always. You're on the right track.
/r/seduction03/02/26 06:24 AM
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Careful there, you’re provoking her to find someone better. Not a good move.
/r/seduction02/02/26 08:24 PM
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“I guess I was in the wrong party all this time.”
/r/seduction02/02/26 07:59 PM
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The people who’re into the game purely for the outcome, i.e. sex, making that hot girl attracted to me, etc, will always look over this and not realize that what they have in their mind shows in their eyes and body language. OP reached out to me asking for some specific tech on what I do to have higher conversion rates. And the idea that you need to build a charming, intelligent personality that most girls are out there looking for doesn’t seem to permeate him, just like other number gamers, bec…
/r/seduction01/02/26 04:21 PM
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It’s called a theory because it works on 90% of the girls. Like a medicine, that works on most people. So saying that you’re not her type is same as saying you’re not meant to take Aspirin. But good luck.
/r/seduction29/01/26 10:46 PM
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"Most of my recent field reports have resulted in pulls." — the fact that you had to say that. I've seen a few of your posts now. There is a consistent theme across all of them — most of the girls you approach excuse themselves to go somewhere else. This is a sign of something deep: you are not able to build/maintain engagement and attraction with them. There is no carrot dangling in front of the cat. You say multiple girls end up teasing with you. Yet, your conversion rates (for just a number c…
/r/seduction29/01/26 10:37 PM
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There are ways to turn around a girl who has no initial interest in you. Social status, negs, time etc. can all change her interest level. But honestly, whether it’s worth it is subjective. You definitely don’t want to focus on them as a beginner. Think of them as hard problems that are optional, but good for challenging yourself occasionally. Yes. When you demonstrate the right qualities, many girls will be interested in you. Building interest is easy, you can do it with 90% of the girls. Build…
/r/seduction29/01/26 06:40 AM
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Next time, if a sentence starts with "Would you like to...", "Do you want to....", "Can I....", think twice if you really want say it. Tell your brain to give you a sentence starting with "Let's...". Simple rule: Only use the former if you're okay with things not going your way. It's hard, because we are not taught to be assertive. But it's important. And second, as others have pointed out, you lost the game the moment you apologized. You accepted what she was saying was indeed the truth.
/r/seduction28/01/26 06:01 PM
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Dude, you did perfectly fine. Don’t worry about others saying you should’ve been cool. They were not in your position. Do you know what it takes to say No to a hot girl? A VERY HIGH self-esteem. If you didn’t feel it, you didn’t feel it. Period. I’ve sent plenty of girls their way when I wasn’t feeling it. If a girl can say no because of her feelings, so can you. It makes you a better person, not lesser. What you’re feeling now is just FOMO. Because your mind is like, “Man, I wasted a free ticke…
/r/seduction28/01/26 01:41 AM
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Her bringing up another guy to you was emotionally unintelligent regardless of her intent. Same reason why a guy won’t bring up another girl. It makes you look like an option and makes her looks like she has low standards, both of which justify the turn off in the moment. However, just know that the rabbit hole of a girl’s mind goes really, really deep. From being completely unaware about what she is saying, to a subtle implication that “I like being casual”, to her purposefully trying to get me…
/r/seduction27/01/26 09:39 PM
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If you share examples of your conversations, I could tell you what I’d do differently. Otherwise, it’s highly subjective.
/r/seduction27/01/26 06:37 AM
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The best thing I like about your post is that you are 17 days old. It’s my favourite number. But the younger the account, the more knowledgeable the person is. u/Captain_w00t Can we have a policy on self-promotion for posts like these?
/r/seduction27/01/26 06:21 AM
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Ah okay. I missed that.
/r/seduction27/01/26 05:13 AM
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Bro the problem is that post-nut clarity is a real thing. And if we were to be fully honest, there are countless times when testosterone makes us flirt and compliment and portray to a girl that we really want her (and we do, in that moment). But when that moment passes and she asks us to get into a relationship, we often realize we didn’t want her that bad. That’s what she means by ingenuity and avoiding the excessive early compliments. Spending time together is her only way of knowing you’re no…
/r/seduction27/01/26 05:04 AM
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I can’t imagine a woman reading what goes on in this sub but glad you shared your valuable perspective. :) Anyway, A) I empathise with you on that. This is a product of the patriarchal society, and it would’ve made things incredibly simpler for everyone if that wasn’t the case. B) This is going to be a perpetual conflict between biology vs sociology at many levels. One of them is that instinctively, men want to spread the genes and impregnate every woman they can, while women want to be impregna…
/r/seduction27/01/26 04:50 AM
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What You Think Happened: She's highly risk-averse/needs explicit communication This is more about being comfortable than explicit communication. Unless a girl likes submissive men, she doesn't want you asking for anything. She wants you to take the lead. Physical escalation without verbal confirmation = incompatibility signal for her In her mind after the date, you made her feel that you want sex, not that you want her. That's what brought the hard rejection. What You're Unsure About: Should I h…
/r/seduction26/01/26 08:20 PM
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There are two reasons why a girl will not get physical with you on the first date: She may be interested in you, but hasn't developed sexual feelings, yet. She has her guards up because of past experiences or conditioning. Even if she has sexual feelings, her brain will try to protect her from being in a situation that will make her feel used. You can do something about the first, but the second is pretty much impossible without patience. And every girl is different with her comfort level, so yo…
/r/seduction26/01/26 08:18 PM
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I should’ve seen that your account is 3 months old before wasting an ounce of my energy. My bad.
/r/seduction25/01/26 08:51 PM
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I’ve been doing this for more than 15 years and don’t need to watch any videos. You are likely way younger than me. Your problem, just like many others on this sub, is that instead of being humble about your shortcomings and asking for advice on this sub why your approaches are failing, you go around making big claims that it is a numbers game. That one dude who called himself pro also failed so seduction must not be a real thing. Dating apps are a numbers game. Seduction is not. If it could not…
/r/seduction25/01/26 06:10 PM
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“You can’t make a girl like you.” I want you to save this comment. That line is rooted in a deep lack of self-esteem. Several years from now, when you’ve learned some real skills and developed your inner game, you can come back and edit it. Until then, you’ll make 1000 approaches while someone else will only make one and still have two girls sitting on each lap. Good luck.
/r/seduction25/01/26 04:25 PM
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Great to have goals, but don’t be outcome dependent. Say, “I’m gonna do X until Valentine’s day”. Choose what is in your control. The girls will come automatically as you progress.
/r/seduction25/01/26 06:37 AM
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Listen buddy, if you even remotely think there is no game for “making her wanting you”, you’re in the wrong sub to begin with. Go get a reality check, it’s called seduction. It begins with a man demonstrating his value as a male, and ends with a woman being driven by attraction to want to have sex with him as a female. Anyone running around with a key trying to open 50 locks is a nobody. Period. Doesn’t mean good locksmiths don’t exist. I have no desire to convince you or anyone otherwise, becau…
/r/seduction25/01/26 04:37 AM
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No point wasting your energy. Clearly, people with low skills seem to be getting an ego boost about their wins from high numbers, instead of actually improving their game. So the idea that you can be so good at game that you convert most of your approaches seems indigestible to them.
/r/seduction25/01/26 04:14 AM
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It’s useless to argue with them. Don’t waste your energy. They’re too thick brained and project their own inabilities on others. I’d rather spend that energy helping a genuine guy who wants to try than some chode who wants to tell me my dick just happened to be where her pussy was.
/r/seduction25/01/26 04:06 AM
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Some people believe the Earth is flat. I’ll let you live in your own reality.
/r/seduction24/01/26 04:01 PM
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I was on my Mexico trip. I was standing on the sidewalk, waiting to cross the street, when I looked across and saw this hot blonde with an entire leg tattooed sitting alone at the bar. It was 6pm. I went into the bar, sat two seats away from her, and opened. I slowly warmed her up, built her interest, spent a nice 2-hours having conversation, drinks, dinner, and flirting, to the point that in the end I asked her to take her clothes off for me for fun and she started doing it. At 9pm, we left tog…
/r/seduction24/01/26 03:46 AM
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You sound like you might have the nice guy syndrome like me. Almost every girl wants to be in a relationship, but in my case they particularly want more because I make them feel great emotionally and physically. I have a cute face and that doesn’t help with this either. If a girl could sense that you’re only making her sexually aroused but emotionally she’s better off not connecting with you, she’d be down to just have sex. Those are what my FWBs have been like. But in your case, she might be se…
/r/seduction22/01/26 12:33 AM
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You’re asking too much from her too early and sounding very needy. That funnel itself is not the problem. It’s the fact that you’re asking her out and then not following through on that immediately even after she says yes, and instead asking her to share more with you. Dating app funnel: Match > open well > create interest > subtle to heavy flirt > plan date. If a girl isn’t comfortable without exchanging numbers or IG, she’ll tell you. Otherwise, you’re just another guy she gave her Instagram t…
/r/seduction22/01/26 12:19 AM
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They won’t understand.
/r/seduction22/01/26 12:01 AM
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You missed the whole point. Numbers come second, only after skill. You don’t necessarily need to do numbers, but you necessarily need game. If you have real game you can very much seduce a girl that isn’t explicitly “disinterested” in you. That includes 95% of the women if you have good game. Period. And fuck the infields. Empty vessels make the most noise. If you’re a mediocre guy you’ll keep chasing numbers forever.
/r/seduction21/01/26 05:59 PM
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You’re doing it wrong. After you ask “Do you wanna grab coffee?”, your immediate next move should be scheduling the date, time and place to solidify the plan. You’re confusing it by moving the conversation to IG, losing the momentum and sounding undecisive. Further, by connecting everyone on IG you’re putting extra effort on yourself to manage everyone. Don’t do that until the first date goes well. Keep everyone on the dating app where the expectations are low. The whole process should take abou…
/r/seduction21/01/26 03:45 PM
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It never was a volume game, in the sense that you said and many people here try to portray it. Zero to the power of 100 is still zero, and trying to get laid by hitting as many girls as you can is the most desperate of all. The idea of making beginners make volume approaches was purely to get them over their lack of confidence, and the fact that you don’t want to get hung up on one rejection. If you can’t seduce atleast some girls that you approach, you have NO game. Period. You’re a predator tr…
/r/seduction12/01/26 11:29 PM
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I’m gonna leave this sub if I see more of these new-age dating gurus posting shit like this. Every fucking post is abomination.
/r/seduction12/01/26 03:27 AM
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She’s a woman who is deprived of the touch and physical love from a man. I don’t blame her even if she wants to cheat. I’ve seen plenty of losers who couldn’t satisfy their women and still expected loyalty from them. I’d flirt with her with increasing boldness and see her response. If she reciprocates, I’d gradually raise the temperature and make her slowly aroused and fantasize about me until she reaches the tipping point and can’t resist making a move. Then I’d reward her for all that effort a…
/r/seduction12/01/26 03:13 AM
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Apples and Oranges. Both have their own flavours, gotta relish both.
/r/seduction12/01/26 03:03 AM
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Once you’ve grown into the person that most women like, it’s difficult to settle for the average one. You’ll think that if you can get anyone, why settle for any one? Each person has their flaws, and they kinda start showing up too vividly when dating. The brain invariably asks, am I compromising too much? Could I get someone better? That’s what I mean.
/r/seduction11/01/26 06:53 PM
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I broke up with her and calmly let her go. There’s a difference.
/r/seduction11/01/26 06:48 PM
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32M. I left my 5-year relationship for the exact same reasons as you and have been largely single for around the last 6 years. I don’t regret it a single bit. But that is because I never lost sight of what I wanted until I achieved every single one of them, be it in game or life. My ex-girlfriend was my first. I did what I had to because it was part of me discovering myself and felt like emancipation. Like you, I just knew I have to do this, and that I am not made for settling down at 25. I’ve t…
/r/seduction07/01/26 10:19 AM
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This is the problem with dating coaches like you. You come across one post from r/dating_advice about a 26 F who had an interest in a cute guy hosting a book club, and literally 40 minutes later you are calling it "one of the easiest ways to meet and sleep with women". I mean, do you have any experience with actual hosting? I would love to hear your results. I would absolutely LOVE to hear how many of the above things you have actually tried yourself. How do you know if it is actually easy or di…
/r/seduction03/01/26 06:53 AM
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I was going to ask this too. Enjoy this time :) It becomes a tad bit more difficult after 30.
/r/seduction02/01/26 07:13 PM
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Spoken like a person who has never had fuck buddies.
/r/seduction02/01/26 07:10 PM
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That’s true. I’d call it advanced, high-risk-high-reward game. There is a scenario where if both of them are into you, and if you clearly demonstrated alpha qualities right from the beginning, touching both of them in front of each other, they can both be hooked to you and you can slowly escalate. That’s how threesomes are born. You’ve normalised it subconsciously. Of course, it needs an incredible set of skills and wordplay. Takes time, patience and ideally, some privacy.
/r/seduction02/01/26 06:33 AM
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Best combo you can get.
/r/seduction01/01/26 03:39 PM
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100% man. Seduction isn’t magic, it takes time. Every close is a win.
/r/seduction01/01/26 03:37 PM
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I might go solo as well. Will decide on the night. All the best!
/r/seduction30/12/25 03:33 AM
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It was your mum.
/r/seduction29/12/25 10:52 PM
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I feel sorry for you if you think this is impossible to pull off. I've had a woman get so badly turned on from seductive whispering into her ears telling her what I would make her do at home, that she was desperate to leave the bar and come to my place and couldn't let go of my hand. That woman had had her wedding 2 weeks ago. My friend pretty much pulled me away from it because it was too unethical. There is a lot you haven't seen in this world.
/r/seduction29/12/25 04:52 AM
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I actually got it right after making this post, I'm gonna read it.
/r/seduction29/09/25 06:50 PM
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Very interesting perspective.
/r/seduction29/09/25 06:49 PM
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I like your comment, some good points there. I know the other extreme won’t work either. Though I will say thankfully I experienced meaning before abundance, so I know the value of both. I’ll check out the podcast. Thanks.
/r/seduction28/09/25 08:59 PM
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I did that. And then I sort of retired from the game. But that didn’t work out and I was forced to be back. Such is the way of life, now I don’t want to do this one more time but I can’t really turn it off. It was always a part of my personality, I consider myself a natural, I never memorized anything, never manipulated anything. So no matter where I am and who I’m talking to, I’m always in the state. It’s not that I don’t want the real connection, it’s the opposite—I know the value of it and ju…
/r/seduction28/09/25 08:50 PM
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I still do romance, I just don’t feel like doing seduction anymore. But these days I meet girls with whom you won’t even get to a second date without seduction, so you are back to square one. There used to be a time when romance was valued more than seduction. I’ve lived through that time but I can’t explain it.
/r/seduction28/09/25 05:16 AM
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I read your comment again, and man you really did understand exactly what I was trying to say in my post, so thank you! "You were in love, felt love. But that wasn't enough." hit me hard. I've been fortunate to have experienced it multiple times. Yet, it hasn't been enough. That is what has led to this crisis. I'm gonna spend some time thinking about this.
/r/seduction27/09/25 06:47 PM
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Hahaha, well put! Never thought I'd be on this side of the line but boy do I now understand what hot girls who constantly get attention from all guys must feel like.
/r/seduction27/09/25 06:42 PM
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Get some help my friend. You just tried to define someone based on a quote without knowing anything about them. So much for self-promotion.
/r/seduction27/09/25 03:54 PM
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I haven often not enjoyed the sex at all. It is the chase that gives the rush. Ngl, there is an ego boost that we get from being able to do what so many other guys can’t. Sometimes I feel like an alpha, sometimes I feel like a slut.
/r/seduction27/09/25 03:45 PM
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Yep, that’s true. The insatiable desire is what keeps pulling you. Even I wasn’t in the bar, it’s difficult to not do this when an attractive girl comes along. How would I turn this switch off one day is what I’m trying to figure out.
/r/seduction27/09/25 03:43 PM
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“To win the game was to leave it” has probably never been more true in life. Thanks mate. I’ve been on the sidelines, but the truth is that you get sucked in again. It has been difficult to completely stay out of the game, and I have a pretty balanced life with job and passions. It’s difficult to not seduce a girl when you’re single and she is indeed showing a lot of interest. Even more so when you see other guys trying and failing in front and you know exactly what they are doing wrong. But I’m…
/r/seduction27/09/25 03:33 PM
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Practice the setting at home. Realize that learning to swim requires you to jump into the water no matter how cold your feet are.
/r/seduction04/07/25 05:27 AM
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I have never not hugged a girl on a date as soon as she arrives. I mean, it’s a “date”, why be coy? If there is already some chemistry (say from texting), full hug. If we are not there yet, half hug like a bro. I make no physical contact for the initial period during the date. Usually I tease her into giving me a punch on the shoulder. Nothing better than her touching me first. I have tried so many things before that have failed badly, from holding her hand too soon to caressing her hair in an a…
/r/seduction01/07/25 09:28 PM
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Stopped being “Nice” without getting to know her first.
/r/seduction22/06/25 01:50 AM
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I think it’s all about personality and how you carry your conversation. I have literally gotten away with saying the craziest/creepiest lines in a fun/witty/interesting manner. Lines that could make you cringe if you didn’t know the context or weren’t influenced by my “state”. Always shoot the shot.
/r/seduction17/06/25 05:00 PM
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If you can't do anything else, watch Californication Seasons 1-4 on repeat until you've learned at least twenty lines of Hank Moody, verbatim. I'm not even kidding. The brain works in a certain way, you don't need to reinvent the wheel. Reading helps a lot but is difficult to practice. You need a role model. You will attain the personality that you constantly reinforce in your subconscious mind. Charisma comes from confidence, confidence comes from feeling relaxed in your skin, and to feel relax…
/r/seduction10/06/25 03:35 AM
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