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PanikLIji/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:47 AM
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No no, I think I can gather what a delta is supposed to be from the meme, I was just wondering if people actually use "delta", I have never heard that one before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:16 PM
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Are deltas a thing,or dis you invent them for this meme?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:25 PM
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Nice theory. But why do you think that's how it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:56 PM
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So you don't have data, you wouldn't trust a survey (if I had one, a reddit thread is hardly a survey), so what? Your opinion on this is just not subject to evidence? What would change your mind? If you personally knee some feminists in favour of male shelters? Is it just personal experience you're looking for? Because that's MY experience, but I don't wanna use that as evidence, I'd like something more substantive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 12:11 PM
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I mean the lazy way would be just to link you this thread on r/askfeminists, where the most popular answers all support male shelters https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/wz0ewi/do_feminists_agree_with_male_only_dv_shelters/ But you can find ANYTHING on google. The question is less whether I can find organizations, thought leaders and influencers but rathter how many there are on one side and how many are on the other. And if my assumption that the supporters are also anti-Rowling is co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 11:54 AM
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Because I'm a researcher or what? What's with your thing about random redditors conducting surveys. I don't mean a reddit poll, I mean a real survey with a random sample from the population etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 11:05 AM
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That's why I'm asking for surveys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 10:44 AM
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Well you wouldn't be asking "Is feminism for men's rights too?" you'd do it like any political attitude survey - "On a scale from 1 to 5 (1 strongly disagree, 5 strongly agree) rate the following statements:" And then like 50 questions among which is like "Domestic shelters, bathrooms, sports should be seperated by birth sex rather then self-identification.", "I would call myself a feminist" and "Male victims of abuse are underserved in regards to domestic abuse shelters, legal representation an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 10:42 AM
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I'm not asking you to do a survey, I don't assume you're like a researcher or something. I'm asking if any have been done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 10:25 AM
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That's why I'm asking about surveys. My vibe check here is just based on anecdotes, and I figure so is yours.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 10:17 AM
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Are these guesses or is there like, a survey or something? Vibe wise the sort of feminist to protest a men's shelter, is like the 2nd wave political feminist type, which has a lit of things in common with the modern TERF who would very much support Rowling. Whereas the trans-women-are-women type 3rd wave intersectional type would oppose the Rowling shelter and support the men's shelter. Frustratingly with the reason "trans and nonbinary men can be victims of abuse" but you know... they'd still s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 09:57 AM
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Well you see that sense of community means connecting with those very men that say men aren't men anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/23 03:01 PM
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Well these two examples are a woman minding her business and being threatened into compliance, and a man wanting something from a woman who demands an unreasonable price in exchange, they're not exactly equal. A more fair comparsion would be a woman wanting something from a man who asks an unreasonable price. Say she needs protection, or a place to stay, or money or whatever and he demands sex in return. That will give you a very similar reaction to your example. A sort of "hmm... I think you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 07:15 AM
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Maybe more rape was better? Or hushing them up was? I'm sorry I don't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:06 PM
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Rape and SA used to be more common in the good old days, they were just hushed up. That's why granny and pop keep warning you. They saw it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:19 AM
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I don't think it works like that. Like if you like masculine women, you won't be able to track that down to an event or a series of events in your life. And if you think you can, you're just not not admitting that really you are only guessing. What it really sounds like, is that you just like masculine things like guns and horror movies and such and you would like a partner who at least understands these kinds of interests. That's just a sensible thing to look for in a partner. If your partner w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:07 AM
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ME? Personality wise I view it as a nonsense concept, like being a libra. Physically masculinity is broad shoulder, narrow hips, big noses that kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 01:08 PM
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Everything and nothing. In any given society there are an endless list of traits - mental, physical and personal (and spiritual) - that are considered masculine/feminine. They are not inheritely so though. So unless you're asking for the specific fashion of a specific time and place, the answer can basically be anything you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 01:02 PM
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Yeah, it works both ways. That's not my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 07:24 AM
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Yeah. So we pay alimony. The home spouse has no money. That's not unexpected though, that was the deal. So they get alimony. Now the work spouse has a wonky work-life balance. Not unexpected, that was also part of the deal. But who's helping them out? Yeah I got money and it stacks to the roof, but I gotta work 60 hours. When do I cook? How does one iron cargo pants? As unemployable as you are suddenly in your previous field of employment (yes somehow landscaping is done online now), I am unskil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:52 PM
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Okay. I can only tell you that I wanna talk childless. I may have started thinking in a different direction mid-sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:42 PM
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Sorry! Husband! I added the childless thing at the end when I remembered child support exists. But I want to talk about childless marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:19 PM
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No but compare it with the alternate universe where we get couples councelling. In that universe both financial and life task support continue, and I assume that's fair. In this universe only financial support continues, so it must be unfair, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:17 PM
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The working partner continues to give financial support. Before the divorce as well as after. So the homemaking partner should continue to provide labour. Like they do before the divorce. It can't be same type of labour, we don't want the ex wife to clean the house and cook for the husband who beat her. But there should be something. Forrest work is a bad idea, but I think it illustrates the sort of thing I'm thinking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:04 PM
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I shouldn't. That's why I need to pay alimony. I'm not trying to abolish alimony, it's a perfectly acceptable system. But I feel like, since the financial support continues, but the life task support doesn't, I should get something else in return. Like, yes the promotion was a team achievement,but so is her credit rating. And her insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:58 PM
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No! The stay at home spouse does the service. Like they used to do housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:43 PM
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Well there's room for improvement though, right. 100% fair for every divorce ever? Yeah sure, of course not. But let's at least give them a senior discont. Or lower the retirement age. Only neither of that because they're easy to abuse, but you know, I'm sure there's SOMETHING!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:43 PM
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Okay. So - what should they get in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:33 PM
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Automation also eliminated a lot of work work. I'm at work right now. Tons of time to argue on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:19 PM
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Actually, yeah let's do that. You should get shares of the company you're working at and you can either keep or sell those when your employment terminates. I actually consider that one of the more doable methods of transitioning to socialism. But that is by-the-by. A wife is not her husbands employee, she's his partner. If you need a business allegory say they are the two founders of a company, they can't work together anymore, due to personal reasons, so now one has to either buy the other out,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:16 PM
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Or hypothetical couple has no children. If there are children, we handle it with child support, I'm willing to increase that to cover the mother's cost of living too, but in this post I'm specifically asking about childless couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:06 PM
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We're not discussing kids here. Kids get child support, and I'm willing to increase that to cover the caregiver's cost-of living too. But here I'm asking specifically about alimony in a childless couple, not child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:04 PM
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That's the problem, I don't have an answer, so I'm asking you all. I just had the idea of community service that somehow benefits the ex? The (bad) example I could come up with was some sort of reforrestation effort, but the use rights go to the ex. That's not a good idea because divorcees tend to be old and forrest work is dangerous, but maybe that's a jumping off point? What sorts of community service can benefit a singular person?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:02 PM
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Yeah, that's the tricky bit. So far I've drawn a blank. Can't be money for obvious reasons. Can't be tax credit, because that would just make happy couples "divorce" for tax credit, can't be too personal, because, chances are they dislike each other by now, maybe even hate or are afraid... It needs to be something versatile and impersonal like money, but not money. And it can't be state funded, it has to stay between the partners. They were providing pseudo-paid labour before, so maybe that, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 01:57 PM
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It is if you neglect the housework sure. But then it's just a dual income household, where you order pizza for dinner because wifey has been busy today, and really husband should do more around the house, she has her store and she does all the cooking and cleaning and no she didn't go to the DMV there was no time, can't hubby do that before work tomorrow? Which is fine, that's how most households are these days because one income usually isn't enough to support a family, even a family of 2. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 01:41 PM
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Yeah. IF it didn't exist, neither should alimony, but it does, so it does. And it should exist, as an option you know. IF you and your spouse wanna do it the old fashioned way, you should be able to, even if you are in the minority. Which I don't think you are by the way. I think today over 58% of households are dual-income households, because wages haven't kept up with cost-of-living, and nobody can support a family on a single income anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 01:24 PM
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Not him, but the deal they made during marriage. Alimony is not a punishment for making her stay home, it's the allotted portion of the money the family made with their homemaker/breadwinner division of labour. A system that's still half kept up by the breadwinner, but not by the homemaker, which is why I looking for some sort of return benefit. Why is everyone complaining I'm siding against the man here, when I'm trying to find some repayment for him that he currently doesn't get?? That's what …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 01:15 PM
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Because on average they aren't. There is basically no wage gap in unmarried, childless men and women. There will be cases in one direction or the other of course, but overall it should be fairly equal. Let's keep it on the home maker/breadwinner dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:47 PM
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Whether or not she'd have a carrrrreer is of course up to chance, but that staying home killed any possible carrrrrrrrrreer is not up for debate, is it? And I deliberately said to assume there are no children. I wanna talk alimony as it applies to a childless marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:43 PM
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If one significantly outearns the other. Sure, but if both are equally focussing on their carreer and equally focussing out housework their earnings should be roughly the same. Like the wage gap is largely caused by part-time work and overtime, that shouldn't be an issue in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:38 PM
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They're not banned, but they are removed from it due to a 'deal' they made with the husband. A deal that basically ends their carreer. They can get back into work, but they have ti do so at a disadvantage, that is directly caused by the marriage. Not always of course, maybe both partners just continued working and shared the housework, but in that case there is no alimony, so it's not relevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:26 PM
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Yeah yeah, I'm not arguing to do away with alimony, I understand why it's necessary, I just think the working partner should get something in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:23 PM
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I'm sure it can depend on juristiction, but alimony can run unlimited. And they grow as your income does, so if I get a new wife, her unpaid labour goes to your benefit, not to hers. I did pay her money so far, what else did she use to eat? I'm fine with reforming child benefits to be less of a token, but here I wanna talk about alimony when there are no children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:20 PM
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Yeah, this is gender non-specific, it works both ways. It just hapoens so that today (though less so than in the past) it's predominatly women who stay home. And the difference is more pronouced after children enter the picture, but it's there before as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:15 PM
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Because I pondered it to cause a 50% drop one comment earlier. I'm basing this on nothing, I'm just saying "so you agree" in a slightly more obnoxious if endearing way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:01 PM
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No that's child support. Alimony is for the partner, even if there are no children. Child support is not a tricky topic to me, I see no problem with "not getting anything in return", your children's wellbeing just outranks any considerations for fairness for me. But alimony is a tricky one. Because here I care about fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:59 AM
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Well I'm not asking anyone to give back to their ex's out of a sense of duty or whatnot. I'm asking for suggestions what to change about the State standard. Yeah it's tricky. Money is versitile and impersonal, it's a great thing to settle any imbalances between former partners who hate each other now. But the homemaker doesn't have money. That's why they're the one getting it. What else is versitile and impersonal that we could give to the working partner? I was thinking about tax credits and su…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:57 AM
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But they don't continue either. Maybe I made it to branch manager on my woman's back, but I could have made it to regional manager if the marriage had held. And the money I paid so far doesn't disappear either. If the money continues to flow, then some type of benefit should come from it. And again, lets keep children out of the picture, because that's more of a child support thing, than an alimony thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:50 AM
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It literally changed in the black community. What? Black women somehow escape the female drive for security? If you take away the security of alimony, the security of marriage decreases significantly. Why wouldn't women pick the security of financial independence then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:46 AM
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That's a lot of 'ifs' there. Enough ifs for a 50% decrease perchance?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:42 AM
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Can you worry less about winning the argument and think for a second? I'm not saying I can't do it. I'm saying that not having to do so would give me more hours to put into work. An advantage over someone who does have to do those things. Someone I might be in competition with at the work place. I'm sure there is a lot of discussion of the gender pay gap on this sub. Maybe you heard it before, maybe you didn't, but UNMARRIED and CHILDLESS men and women have basically no wage gap, it is AFTER MAR…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:40 AM
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Or have children without marrying. Isn't there a huge rate of black families, that for all intents and purposes are married, but they aren't officially so they don't lose the single parent child benefits? A lot of disabled people don't marry to keep their medical debt away from their family. Money matters. People take money into account when deciding whether to get married. That's why marriage gives you tax credits. Because the government wants you to marry and financial incentives like that hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:29 AM
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Initiate maybe, I wouldn't know, but that's a fair response when your husband beats you, I think. Or cheats on you. Or takes drugs. Whatever I don't wanna play the blame game, the system should work no matter who's at fault. If you do away with alimony, there will just be no more traditional relationships. Everyone has to keep their own financial independence, with half of all marriages failing, it's just too unsure a bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:19 AM
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That was also before women could have carreers. The marriage WAS the carreer. Things are different now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:11 AM
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I don't know man, I don't have children, but I certainly could focus on work a lot more if I didn't have to cook, clean, shop, deal with the insurance and energy provider, stay home to let the chimneysweep and gas man in, do the gardening etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:09 AM
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Yeah, you also don't want to send in any money to your ex wife. So now you gotta send the money AND she's around, that makes it worse, not better. We're trying to give the husband something in return for his money, not add extra burdens. Why not? In some countries you can give a salary to your wife, so that she can pay taxes and have all the social benefits she needs, including retirement. The sooner this gets recognized as something more legitimate the better for everyone. Because a wife's job …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:04 AM
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At the risk of permanent poverty? Yes, nobody would take that. Well not NOBODY of course, but you know,we'd see a reduction of 50% or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:43 AM
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And now he doesn't, but he stillhas to pay like he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:37 AM
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Just replace "joint children" with "joint household" and you have the same situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:31 AM
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Because then that's an exchange no one would make and it'd basically be the end of the traditional family.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:27 AM
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Yeah, but that IS a joke. Many divorces end very bitterly and you don't want the ex wife to keep basically living in the house. You don't need to pay for A WOMAN, just THE WOMEN who gave up her carreer for yours. And "wife" isn't really a job like other jobs are, or at least it shouldn't be. ... The joke is sorta right you know. What the man suddenly lacks after the divorce IS a housekeeper. The sex both lack so that's fair, there's no imbalance to adress. Bit also the wife is now tending to her…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:12 AM
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Maybe not all of them put their bodies through a combination of anorexia and cocaine?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:45 AM
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Yeah yeah, we could list endless examples, but I think I communicated my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:47 PM
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You can't just repeat your claim. You have to adress my criticism of it. Single fathers and single mothers are not comparable groups. Because fathers only get sole custody if they are uniquely suited to child rearing, while mothers get sole custody not exactly by default, but almost.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:00 AM
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I say that has historically been their job. You know, in Ford's time. And I refuse to call the caring for people "not productive".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:57 AM
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Men aren't better at child rearing, they just only get sole custody in exceptional circumstances. Due to that tradition of seeing women as child rearers as you correctly identified. And for the bus boy analogy, don't you think if women had been allowed in science, government, industry etc they would have equally contributed to society? In a society where women aren't allowed at university it's easy to rank up a 100% male inventor rate. If we look at more egalitarian societies we see women contri…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:01 AM
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Did Henry Ford need to be fed as a child though? Did he need care when he was sick or old? Did his workers? Men keep the machines running, women keep the men running. Can you really say one contributes more here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 05:06 AM
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"More equal" is not equal. Unfortunately we don't really have a matriarchal society to compare.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:23 AM
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Yeah sure, the in the literal sex trade women are the sellers too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:37 AM
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An overcorrection? Because if not, then the "corrected" state WOULD imply that women are more valuable by birth, not artificially.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:31 AM
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Why "inheritly by being born"? Why not xin the sexual marketplace such as it is today"? I'm gonna argue the ... female supply is artificially scarce, resulting in higher value and thus a ... seller's market, with the women being the sellers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:29 AM
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An even if there is zero good messages, you get at least the option to settle for a bad man, men don't even get that, getting a bad woman is still tons of work. Ladies don't exactly lavish in paradise on dating apps, they are looking for the hay in the needle stack, but yes, that is "easy mode". Sucks that easy mode is still this difficult, but normal or difficult mode are worse still.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:50 PM
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They're just like that maybe. Some people are just boring. The interesting ones probably just find success and leave the platform happy and married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:16 PM
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The difference isn't that women have an easy time finding a good match (on apps or in real life) but finding matches at all. You may be disappointed in the guys that messages you, but male accounts just don't get messages at all. I'm a beautiful, funny and humble guy, I had little trouble getting dates on apps, and I do quite well in real life as well, but I NEVER get approached, or messaged or anything. Well "never" - once every couple months. Meanwhile I see female friends accounts with 300 un…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:51 AM
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Have you tried sending a third message before the invitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:06 AM
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It's not about the double standard, it's just objectively stupid. You're like literally saying "I want my sink fixed specifically by a plumber who never fixed a sink". Okay? You must forgive me for finding that odd. And yes a likely reason is insecurity. What if you're not as good as a previous lover. If she had dozens of them, one of them surely was better!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 08:56 AM
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