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Because they don't walk around half naked and "liberated"
/r/MensRights25/10/22 01:02 AM
1

Are you able to show me an example of identical products being sold for different amounts based on whether it says it's for women? I've seen lots of people complain about this and none of them point out identical products. Ever.
/r/MensRights15/10/22 06:54 PM
1

No. I do not doubt that people believe this is a rampant issue. I also believe the vast majority of those people are not considering the extra cost that goes into certain pigments or additional contouring and features which appeal to women in particular. I believe most of those folks assume that just because something is marketed to women that it means they have to buy it and are being charged more on the basis of sex when in reality it's for the butterfly handle and smooth pink contours that wo…
/r/MensRights15/10/22 06:47 PM
1

Bringing legislation does not indicate validity with regard to the issue presented.
/r/MensRights15/10/22 03:28 PM
1

I have yet to see anything like that happen.
/r/MensRights15/10/22 02:25 PM
2

That explains human issues. Gender focused issues do not apply.
/r/MensRights15/10/22 12:56 AM
8

It's absolutely asinine to pretend that women are being charged more rather than women purchasing products with extra lotion strips and flashy colors and moisturizers and added whatevers. This measure already accounts for that. And women aren't being charged extra for the same products Therefore it's useless, wasteful legislation
/r/MensRights14/10/22 09:09 PM
1

Trans men don't have hardly ANY of the experience of being a man. Everyone faces disadvantages at the hands of feminist society. Even feminists. Like learning personal accountability. Trans man experience is as valuable as the experience of women when it comes to men's rights. So not at all the focus.
/r/MensRights11/10/22 12:40 AM
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I'm extremely trans exclusionary but there was still no reason to downvote their post. Assholes abound I guess.
/r/MensRights11/10/22 12:38 AM
3

Sure. Just like raping your wife. It's morally abhorrent and just because it wasn't made into law doesn't mean magically tons of men gained the capacity to rape someone.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 05:05 AM
10

Working women under Sharia legally don't have to give any of their own money to help feed their own children. If those kids starve to death it's still only their father that will bear the legal responsibility. Does that mean women regularly buy themselves jewelry and let their babies starve?? I'm sure it happens about as much as marital rape. Just because something isn't expressly made illegal doesn't magically mean men are suddenly rapists and women are suddenly baby starvers en masse.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 01:46 AM
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Sure. The right to vote. The ONLY ones who don't have to register for the selective service in order to do so There were others championing for the rights of most men and also of women to vote without those constraints. The suffragettes shouted them down and ruined what could have been a great, egalitarian thing. And then had the white feather campaign, shaming men who weren't fighting senseless wars when they themselves didn't have to go in the first place.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 01:36 AM
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That was amazing. Thank you. Straughan shattered my worldview.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 01:33 AM
8

Not that it matters anyway since "woman" has no meaning now.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 03:08 AM
6

It harms women too but our focus right now is on men. Not women or trans people.
/r/MensRights03/10/22 05:18 AM
1

Being mad that your actions have biological consequences without outside intervention isn't a political issue. Your issue is with your body.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 08:46 PM
2

You got this
/r/MensRights22/09/22 03:16 PM
0

I don't disagree. Thank you for the explanation. I don't seem to have been reading you correctly the first time. On that note it also bothers me when women pretend that in public a man must have express permission to smile at them or say hello. That is not the same as harassment. We live in a society and that is how people meet other people.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 07:43 AM
2

Not nearly far enough because I'm a fucking scared baby when I play games. Lmao. I'm replaying RDR2 now because the story has all the feels. But right on, man. You?
/r/MensRights22/09/22 07:39 AM
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I'm absolutely not perpetuating this. I've always been clear about my intentions. But it would also be bizarre if I pretended men were violent attackers. And I call out when other women do that. In short, you're way off base here champ. I can't control other women. You can't control other men. I was just offering insight as to why women may be reluctant to engage socially with men.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 03:51 AM
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You'd have to implement it in such a way that there is still time to make a decision. I can't imagine the guilt or shame if anyone getting an abortion after 8 weeks. The idea makes me sick. So fellas would need to be on the ball. But otherwise yeah, it's a necessary equality move. Better yet, make NO the default and make the guys opt-IN. That sets the stage properly in my mind. No need to hurry to allow time to decide whether she'd be a single mom because that's the default assumption.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 01:28 AM
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I just wanted to say something. I GET the lashing out and being upset at clear double standards...but can we stop pretending that everything is the woman's fault? Abortion is a choice, yes, but for starters it ISNT ONE that every woman is okay with. Since it's literally killing an unborn child. And even if abortion is an option for her, morally, it may not be the case after a certain point. And let's stop acting like there are NO men who are like yeah we are having a baby and then bail toward th…
/r/MensRights22/09/22 01:24 AM
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More likely it's the constant issue women encounter where even the most basic of interactions are misinterpreted and then they won't leave us alone.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 01:02 AM
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You can't just blanket call it hypergamy when the societal traditional expectation is that men will provide for women. Seeking a traditional gender role does not automatically mean hypergamy. It also doesn't detail how much money these questioned women made. If a woman is working part time then of course she won't want a man who makes less than her if she wants a traditional gender role set. Hypergamy is a thing but we don't have to assign more to it than necessary when things are explained in o…
/r/MensRights20/09/22 06:33 PM
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I mean technically not all forms of eugenics ARE bad. Like promoting safe sex in high school classes. Or offering free condoms at health clinics. Those are technically types of eugenics. But you're not wrong.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 03:21 AM
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But I never see adult men actually being awful or treating women poorly just because they're ugly.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:15 AM
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That was a lot of words for "I've never actually read anything he wrote except for bite sized buzzwords misrepresented by the left"
/r/MensRights04/09/22 07:23 AM
1

I think his temperament argument was more about the popular concept of gender and gender identity than about trans people specifically. But since you mentioned it, I don't think it's accurate to say "only treatable through gender affirmation..." Due to the still ridiculous suicide rate
/r/MensRights04/09/22 07:10 AM
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Sure, but society pushes a lack of accountability for women. As a result, most women are not morally "normal" in this way.
/r/MensRights01/09/22 03:15 AM
2

Kids do NOT have a right to be parented by harmful piece of shit parents. Male OR female. I'd agree in general though. If the bio parent is capable of parenting.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 09:17 AM
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I know about a decade ago in CA, a daycare facility or school could refuse pickup IF it was brought to their attention that it was a volatile situation AND IF they had a copy of the orders on file
/r/MensRights20/08/22 11:33 PM
2

There are still shared targeting for societal messages based on gender, for example.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:59 PM
3

Trans men having issues too doesn't really matter in this case. They're certainly valid but different issues. Straight men shouldn't be included or catered to in trans support spaces, despite having some of the same experiences either. The fact remains that transmen aren't treated like men are in society. Nor are they raised with the same ingrained expectations and messages. So they by and large haven't experienced the same sort of things men have. There are loads of spaces for trans men and tha…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:59 PM
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It shouldn't. Trans men do not have the same struggles as men. They are not treated as men by society, and they didn't endure the same base shared experience.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 09:15 AM
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Even if you were born male you're still only 16...
/r/MensRights15/08/22 09:11 AM
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My husband has been trying to explain this to me for ages.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 09:08 AM
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This is a little over the top. I think it's valid but a little misguided and assumes more is deliberate than probably is.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 10:05 PM
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I agree. A heavily pregnant woman would get my seat. Or a man carrying heavy luggage. Or any elder. Etc.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/07/22 06:01 AM
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While I'm inclined to believe her view will soften if/when she obtains healing from her experiences, I'm afraid that you can't expect that to be a given since she may choose to cling to that trauma instead, which will only harden her heart.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 02:58 PM
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For the life of me I can not understand why this lack of female accountability is so damned prevalent. Why is it anything other than INSANE for the person who has basically ALL the preventive options and ALL the health risks to NOT take charge and ensure they don't become pregnant??
/r/MensRights11/07/22 09:28 AM
2

Oh. I thought it was funny because they seem to have accidentally discovered abstinence.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 08:01 AM
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It's not misogynist. Replace Chad with "man she is attracted to" and Bubba with "man she is not attracted to" and it's 100% true. Some of the very same "creepy" behaviors from an attractive man are received well, while the unattractive man doing it is branded a creep. Therefore it isn't the behavior that is the problem.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 07:54 AM
7

It takes a while. But life does have seasons.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/21 10:44 PM
21

My husband took paternity leave and it absolutely MATTERS. That bonding time is so beneficial, paternity leave is definitely justified.
/r/MensRights29/10/21 12:07 AM
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And they think *the patriarchy" is out to benefit men because they project female positive bias for other females onto men. When in reality both men AND women are most likely to try and help women.
/r/MensRights04/10/21 11:21 PM
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Right? I can't comment there anymore even when Im on my best behavior because wrongthink is a karma vampire
/r/MensRights04/10/21 11:19 PM
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First time? -An American
/r/MensRights01/10/21 10:42 PM
1

Is it also worth exploring why a hugely disproportionate amount of those men are black?
/r/MensRights29/09/21 02:44 PM
1

Red pilled for the last decade. (Thanks Karen Straughan) But seriously. This is why American feminists have resorted to making door-holding and custody-winning "sexist." We are on easy mode. If you told me women don't endure perma-death I'd be inclined to believe you. Not that you don't know this, I'm just ranting.
/r/MensRights01/09/21 04:00 PM
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Women have 99% of the options to prevent their parenthood both before and after pregnancy. It makes no sense whatsoever to pretend it's 50/50.
/r/MensRights30/08/21 08:36 AM
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Disagree. The suffragettes started getting things all out of whack when they ignored the countless men who ALSO could not vote and stepped on the toes of the suffragists who were trying to tackle both sides, and would have succeeded as evidenced by their success elsewhere.
/r/MensRights30/08/21 08:24 AM
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Can you please explain to me how I'm oppressed in the western world? I agree women in, day, the middle east are oppressed alongside men who face at least equal oppression...but being female in the USA has literally been the single most advantageous thing in my life.
/r/MensRights30/08/21 08:21 AM
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They usually are, but the issue being highlighted is that people use that statistic as a reason why it doesn't matter or is mens fault and therefore a nonissue.
/r/MensRights30/08/21 08:13 AM
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Is the idea of patriarchy not integral to feminism rather than a fringe group?
/r/MensRights19/08/21 02:11 PM
1

That's not what either of those things mean. Sorry.
/r/MensRights16/06/18 06:31 AM
2

Misunderstanding gender dynamics isn't hating anyone.
/r/MensRights16/06/18 06:25 AM
1

Sure. But feminists are 100x more visible than MRAs. Which means the bad ones represent a larger percentage to the mainstream.
/r/MensRights16/06/18 06:24 AM
2

Being feminist is misunderstanding the way the world works.
/r/MensRights16/06/18 06:23 AM
9

Not exactly. Let's not pretend some VERY vocal assholes haven't made MRAs look bad. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that is not the whole picture. Self labeled MRAs have openly spoken about female inferiority and the potential benefit of corrective rape etc. We might know those few don't matter but it still looks bad.
/r/MensRights15/06/18 05:17 PM
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Is being antifeminist about disagreement with the idea of equality for women? No. Feminism is not seen by us as a matter of striving for equality for women. Some see it as a hate group even. Men's Rights groups are not seen by them as a matter of striving for equality for men. Some see them as hate groups even. Just as antifeminism doesn't equate to misogyny. Anti MRA groups doesn't equate to misandry. People just disagree on what these groups are about.
/r/MensRights15/06/18 05:15 PM
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That's not about being anti male. MRAs have a bad reputation. Usually a little objectivity can resolve that, but the urge to bandwagon is strong I guess.
/r/MensRights15/06/18 02:56 PM
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What if he has a physically demanding job and she sits at a desk? I think it is way out of left field to assume that equal salary means equal work.
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/18 06:06 AM
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Do you both have the same level of physical labor at your jobs?
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/18 06:05 AM
2

I am so happy for you. Things are never 100% perfect, but I admire your mindset!
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/18 06:00 AM
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I think you have a very healthy mindset here and am sort of taken aback by some of the responses you're getting. I am so glad you're happy. Just make sure you're real with yourself to minimize resentment. Sounds like you're doing just fine on that. The only way to change your option pool here is to talk to him about it specifically. If he isn't willing, he isn't willing, and that is something you'll have to come to terms with. I mean, what is more important? Having a biological child or having t…
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/18 05:58 AM
9

The outcome here is refreshing though.
/r/MensRights13/06/18 12:32 AM
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Except when they're redpilled... Because some women are absolutely redpilled. It's just pretty rare as currently we live in a society that coddles the shit out of us and lets us form our own realities. Most people aren't comfortable challenging that. Especially when the lie is beneficial.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 05:31 AM
3

I'd say the way our system is set up, the burden of legal obligation for 18 years or serve jail time is at least as significant as 9 months of pregnancy. Especially since the woman can easily choose to avoid that burden Either via a plethora of birth control types Or morning after pills Or abortion And even after birth she can adopt out Or drop off her infant with no questions asked if she doesn't feel like being a parent. Men currently have no control over their reproductive lives after concept…
/r/MensRights12/06/18 01:04 AM
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Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. With the opt in, a man can decide whether he wants to be a parent, just as a woman can, within the first trimester. If he doesn't want to, she can make her choices accordingly.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 12:46 AM
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According to an admittedly small sample group in a single study. Don't forget that. It sort of looks bad to fall on that as solid evidence, although I don't imagine it being terribly far off from the truth. EDIT Im not sure I was thinking about the right study. It IS a single study, but it has a pool of a little over 11,000 people instead of the 3000 or so I thought I remembered. Sorry about that.
/r/MensRights11/06/18 10:47 PM
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I think the best way to equalize reproductive Rights without imposing on either parties bodily rights, women would still have easy access to legal abortion, but men would have an opt-in system where they have to accept parenthood in order to be held responsible for it. In addition, we need to focus on proper birth control for men and the development of a viable artificial womb.
/r/MensRights11/06/18 10:46 PM
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I don't disagree with you. I answered the way I did because of the DEMAND that people do conform to this, even when it is questioned despite our evolutionary prioritization. That demand and all the reasons given are due to feminist projection.
/r/MensRights11/06/18 07:53 PM
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You're still asking women to unlearn the nonsense they have been fed for ages. On top of that, you're asking them to unlearn nonsense that paints them in a beneficial way, as noble and long-suffering victims to be admired and bent over backwards for. It's one thing to confront inaccuracies in ones reality. It's quite another to do so when their false narrative is so damned comfortable. Plus then in the case of men who follow along, they are at risk of being rejected completely and painted as a m…
/r/MensRights11/06/18 06:00 PM
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You're still asking women to unlearn the nonsense they have been fed for ages. On top of that, you're asking them to unlearn nonsense that paints them in a beneficial way, as noble and long-suffering victims to be admired and bent over backwards for. It's one thing to confront inaccuracies in ones reality. It's quite another to do so when their false narrative is so damned comfortable. Plus then in the case of men who follow along, they are at risk of being rejected completely and painted as a m…
/r/MensRights11/06/18 05:58 PM
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Because feminism is simply, by far, the worst case of projection I have ever seen.
/r/MensRights11/06/18 02:53 PM
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Not an unfair assumption. It is also worth considering that undesirable women are likely bitter about it, and (since women usually aren't held accountable for anything under the sun) this is projected onto men
/r/PussyPassDenied10/06/18 06:24 AM
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Most people in successful relationships don't seem to have gotten with their "usual type". He's with you for a reason.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 02:31 PM
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Yes
/r/PussyPassDenied07/06/18 07:02 AM
6

Worth noting...I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and had bad episodes a couple times every month. After my worldview changed I have had a grand total of two episodes. Over six years. Antifeminist views pretty much cured my mental illness. Lol. Says a lot about feminism and its perpetual victim based ideology.
/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 05:45 AM
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No. I was too convinced they were shallow, sex obsessed, and pathetic. The idea of empathy didn't cross my mind most of the time. It's really embarrassing now.
/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 05:41 AM
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For me it was "female privilege backfired" that started the process. Really threw me. I listened indignantly and by the end I had an entirely different perspective and started learning to appreciate my husband as a man and not just my man. That, along with owning my shit (meaning analyzing everything I got upset about to see if it's an issue and if it's internal or external) changed my entire life. I was embarrassingly part of the "porn is cheating" control freak crowd as well.
/r/RedPillWomen04/06/18 10:06 PM
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I was a feminist who resented men and male sexuality. Karen Straughan shattered my worldview.
/r/RedPillWomen03/06/18 05:18 PM
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Sure. But this is like the draft issue. The draft is bullshit. BUT as long as men have to register, so should women. Ideally though, neither system would exist. In the meantime though I'd settle for the registry only being open to law enforcement, like pretty much any other country that has it. And yes, for false accusers as well.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/06/18 02:11 PM
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Thanks for the update!
/r/RedPillWomen01/06/18 05:56 AM
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Not really. The registry itself is fucked.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/06/18 03:35 AM
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It would have to be proven that the accusation was intentionally false. But then I'd hella support that.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/06/18 03:04 AM
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No worries. Im glad you said it regardless. For the folks in the back.
/r/MensRights31/05/18 04:27 AM
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I think you misunderstood me. I don't disagree with anything you're saying. My main point was that 13 shouldn't be treated like some solid indicator of whether the person is a pedophile.
/r/MensRights31/05/18 04:19 AM
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Figured it was common enough to warrant bringing up just in case.
/r/RedPillWomen31/05/18 04:02 AM
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I had my adult body, complete with a C cup at 12. Pedophiles would not have been interested. Some kids develop quickly. Age limits are pretty arbitrary when classifying pedophilia. They're a helpful tool but not what the definition is based on.
/r/MensRights31/05/18 03:32 AM
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It is worth considering that you are misreading what is "emotionally available" for men. Namely, expecting them to express themselves like women.
/r/RedPillWomen31/05/18 02:40 AM
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Right. Generally.Unless the young person in question has started puberty (and is thus displaying secondary sex characteristics in development.) That usually happens over 13 but not necessarily. Someone having sex with a 12 year old with a developed 17 year old's body is likely not having a pedophilic attraction, where someone having sex with a 17 year old who looks 10 MIGHT be.
/r/MensRights31/05/18 01:29 AM
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While the heart of the matter is legitimate, there ARE double standards in who we call sexual predators, this is an asinine comparison. The male in question had multiple victims, most aged 7-8, AND he had priors. There is a huge difference between PREpubescent children and pubescent teenagers. Not that it excuses the latter.
/r/MensRights31/05/18 01:26 AM
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I would even sorta disagree there due to how misguided it is. Misinformation and projection are never helpful. But I get what you're saying.
/r/MensRights28/05/18 10:47 PM
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Predates feminism. Still unfortunate.
/r/MensRights28/05/18 09:29 PM
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I support some feminist causes without supporting feminism itself. I suppose that's what happens when a movement gets such a bad reputation from it's most outspoken.
/r/MensRights28/05/18 09:19 PM
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To be honest, you'll have to recognize your natural hypergamy and make a rational decision. Be honest with yourself. YOUR options will dwindle with age. They will. Sooner than you think. If you found someone great, keep him. Consciously remove the other from your life. It's important. This is a life decision you're making. Don't be a fool.
/r/RedPillWomen28/05/18 08:36 PM
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Three years is adequate. Can we focus on male reproductive control like better birth control methods and a legal opt out yet???
/r/MensRights24/05/18 04:16 AM
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There is no issue with utilizing a marketing campaign to try and reach a specific demographic you think you don't have enough of.
/r/MensRights24/05/18 04:12 AM
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I'm not saying that. Accepting yourself is one thing. Making sure your standards aren't sky high was the other point. Mentioning men was more of a side thought. Something to think about. Thanks for pointing it out though b cause rereading it, my intention was not clear at all.
/r/RedPillWomen23/05/18 06:27 PM
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Likewise!
/r/RedPillWomen23/05/18 02:01 PM
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There are LOADS of men who are ALSO generally considered unattractive, who so deeply yearn for a connection with a woman. Just imagine, society is far harsher to undesirable men than undesirable women. You'll have to come to terms with yourself though. Become comfortable with who you are.
/r/RedPillWomen23/05/18 03:19 AM
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Same boat. Just keep trying to practice introspection and alter your behavior when you notice it happening. Be honest and apologize when warranted. There's a LOT to undo. At least for me.
/r/RedPillWomen23/05/18 03:15 AM
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Who is paying the majority of the expenses? If it's him, let him lead. He isn't abruptly turning away your ideas. You said if you can convince him, he listens. So pick your battles and stop the power struggle. It only ever ends poorly.
/r/RedPillWomen23/05/18 03:12 AM
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I'm not sure that's accurate. Something "fair" to men in this regard will automatically violate a woman's bodily rights. Makes more sense to focus on other ways to level the field such as make birth control options, opting out of unwanted parenthood, and eventually artificial wombs to transfer wanted children.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:15 PM
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I'd think this is pretty accurate in that men usually have to work toward a one night stand, since they're expected to make the move anyway. This would make it much more likely to be "something dumb I let happen" to a woman, right?
/r/MensRights22/05/18 01:24 PM
1

Because there is no feasible way to measure an individual sexual preparedness or vulnerability. So we use a mostly arbitrary age across the board. Some older will be easily victimized just as some younger will be sexually active without issue. But the purpose of the law is to protect as many as possible. Most of the western world has 16 as the AOC for example including most us states. That doesn't mean that a man having sex with a 16 year old in one state automatically (and retroactively) raped …
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:48 AM
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No. That is a matter of technicality. Not a portrayal of what was actually happening. The world is more complex than that.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:36 AM
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It won't help. Anthony Hopkins was in screen for like 16 minutes in Silence of the lambs. Still stole the show and took home the academy award. They need to quit the squawking. It just shows they have no idea what makes a good performance.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:33 AM
1

I mean, the law in lots of places also says men can't be raped by women but that's horseshit too. Just because it is law doesn't mean it's right.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:19 AM
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No. I wasn't raped. I could consent and did so enthusiastically after pursuing him relentlessly. The law does not account for young people who are ready for sex early. In my case it would have been a grave injustice for him to be prosecuted.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:18 AM
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I was underage and he wasn't. I lied about my age. So yeah, some damage would certainly have been done. In my head there was nothing destructive in it because nobody could take the blame for it. Yeah I was inmature at that age.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 04:15 AM
1

I have liked about rape. I didn't name names but in my case it was to keep a guy safe from my parents who were furious about my not being a virgin anymore. (By blaming the virginity loss on an unnamed assailant.) I think this is a reasonably common thing. We need to stop pretending teenage girls don't ever have sexual thoughts or have sex with their boyfriends. That pressure encourages this sort of thing. I have also known MANY girls who liked to be edgy or for attention. When it isn't malicious…
/r/MensRights22/05/18 03:41 AM
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Welcome to the real world. You can never go back.(Also a left leaning woman here) Word of advice, don't ever stop trying to unravel the nonsense you've been fed from birth. It just keeps going.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 03:01 AM
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Sadly, too many women DO NOT EVEN REGISTER that abortion affects men as well by terminating their unborn child's development. It's apparently REALLY hard for women to extend empathy to men even in this basic way. Either the death of a WANTED child or by being the SOLE determining factor of his reproductive life once conception has occurred.
/r/MensRights22/05/18 02:24 AM
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